In a new episode of Project NIL with Anthony Gargano & William Penn Charter School Director of Athletics Danny DiBerardinis talk about scheduling conflicts in youth sports, Mr. Beast wanting to donate to a college football program, Amari Bailey’s attempt to return to college, & MORE!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning, happy Happy
super Bowl edition of Project Nil. You heard the man.
Daniel de Bernadine is the ad for Penn Charter High School,
one of the oldest schools in the country. I'm Anthony Gargano.
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The fellas is we convene every week getting into our
youth sports all the way up to college as the goal.
Project Nil. That's what it's all about. Everything in that world,
and today's show is interesting. I'd like to think all
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of them are, but today's, especially as today show, is
about imbalance, not just money but power, behavior, responsibility. On
one end, we're gonna be talking about potential nine figure
nil deal. On the other, we're talking about refs quitting
youth games because adults just can't control themselves. Somewhere in
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the middle, or role players walk holls and kids trying
to figure out if this system still has a place
for them. This is Project that I don't Today we're
asking a real question, are we building the future of
sports or slowly breaking the foundation that made it work
in the first place.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Good morning, Danny, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Cause how we doing?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Baby?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Super Bowl weekend I know how you holding up.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Man. Now, thank you, my brother.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I so appreciate you looking out for me, you know,
because it's a tough time as we say goodbye to football.
It's such a difficult time. I know, I want to cry,
I do. I have to be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Life for that.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Football sucks.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
It's a tough year for you, and I know I
know what. I got to keep giving you checkings. You know,
I'm like, that's on top of you. That makes sure
giving you some lovedoring a few days, you know, for
a few weeks.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Actually, I know.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I watched a little college hoop last night, Johnny's last
night on.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
The Big win for the Johnny's Yeah Garden at the Garden,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah it Listen.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I love college basketball, but and I'm a baseball man
as you know, and NBA and hockey. I love it all.
But there's nothing like it, man. It is the perfect sport.
And Sunday it's not. It's it's my least favorite of
the championship rounds.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Now. Obviously, if you're teams in it's different.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
It's gonna sound stupid because the super Bowl is just
this you know, American holiday. But what they've done to
the game, like that game itself. Is it about football?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I agree, of all the championships, I think that's very
fair to say. If your team's in it, obviously you're
you know, a lady, you're over the moon. I get that.
But yeah, it's it's a it's a it's a big show.
You know, it's it's a huge production. You know, the
time show, TV show, the commercials. You know, it's it's
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a lot, but uh yeah show.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You know it's funny because the game lacks a little
bit of luster, right, I mean, you know, New England
it's a good, real good story. Drake made a great
story in Frable, was a hell of a coach, so
you go, okay, but they don't have the sex appeal.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I mean, think about the a f C with the Chiefs, right,
you were.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Thinking the Bills turn but you have a you have
and Drake has been terrific. But let's face it, he's
not my homes He's not Allan, doesn't have the flare
of Lamar.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
It's lacking the star power, right cool a Burrow, Yes,
and Seattle has this great defense, but they don't have
like known guys, right, there's not any big personalities. There's
not the star power that we're used to. Well said,
well big headlines, right and and they're both really good
football teams. I don't want to you know, talk down
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on their you know, the seasons they've had. But that
being said as someone who's not in either fan base,
it is it's not it's not bringing it. It's not
bringing it for me, like obviously I watch it, but no.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Like if the Bills were in it, they would provide
the team of day, like you'd be interested, right like,
because if you have one of the teams being one
of those interesting or you know a little bit of
polarizing of the team, you at least split it up,
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right hey man, See because Seattle, in fairness, Seattle is
the best team for sure in the NFC.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yes, overall, top of the out him they played great.
You know, the defense is elite. You know, the offense
gets it done, you know, but they don't have to. Again,
it's the star power we're lacking.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
The big name yeah, j San, I mean Donald, you know,
Donald's been terrific. Think about the think about the vikings,
how stupid man o man? And I know people go
they melted it down the whole line. But you you
got rid of Donald for McCarthy, it's almost unforgivable.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
I mean that that has to be the reason their
GM got fired.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
He has to be Yeah, herew that up.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
He had to push JJ. There had to be some
dissension within the camp because when it happened, I think
they just kept seeing Donald go further and further because
it was a late fire.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah yeah, I think they.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Were just like more irritated.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Irritated.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
And here's the other thing too, And if you look
at the way Rogers played, he played well, yeah, like
he must and he wanted to go to Minnesota and
imagine he was throwing to nobody in Pittsburgh. Imagine with
those receivers in Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Oh yeah, no, I mean he's still with those type
of receivers and that type of coach who was that
creative mind. You don't need to be a superstar quarterback.
You don't even have the biggest arm. You just gotta
you know, you gotta make the read and get the
ball out.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
No, I think he would have went. I think they
would have.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You know, they have a completely different season if Rogers
is the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yeah, I think I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Anyway, Uh, lots to get into this week. My brother
as we wind down basketball, what's the schedule? So we
got we got about what the uh about three weeks
most high school the high school championship for what first week?
Could the early March, right March, you know, March first
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to the fifth.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yeah, a lot of championships are probably in the coming
three weeks. And then the state associations have their postseason tournaments.
So the one I'm most familiar with is in Pennsylvania.
They start up the first week of March, so all
the districts have to be wrapped up. They're champions who's
advanced their you know, their ranking systems, and then the
state tournament starts in March and that goes basically for
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three of a good three weeks so till March around
twenty twenty fifth. So yeah, it's in the stretch run
for high school season. I can't believe it. We're about
to beat the spring. It's I'm excited, but it's also
mind blowing how fast it's gone. But yeah, great, Winter
sports is awesome. I love it. Everything's kind of close by,
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at least for me as an athletic director, I'm able
to bounce around to three different games walking thirty feet.
You know, we've wrestled on going on, we have you know,
swimming and basketball, and you can just kind of they're
all indoors and where I'm at very located centrally, so
I get to see a lot in a little bit
of time. Wearing the spring and fall, you're kind of
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like you're traveling, You're you're making big steps to get
to multiple sports in one day.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
So what time are you What time are your games?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
It varies sometimes right after school in the spring, the
spring and fall, mostly after school, unless it's football, it's
a night game or an afternoon on the weekend in
the winter. It could be anytime. We could be we
could play four, we could play seven thirty, five thirty.
Our league is uh, they let they allow you to
have night games on Friday, so a lot more flexibility.
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But depending on the sport and depending on you know,
the location of the school, it can vary from anywhere
from four to seven thirty.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Okay, all right, yeah, it's it's uh, it's interesting because
how the schools now are you know, dipping into more
prime time stuff?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah for sure, Yeah, yeah, I mean there's a lot
of night games. But also like there's a lot of
like travel ball, which you should not be as prominent
in high school, but that's at night too, So school
sometimes trut a rab up brow so people can have
the option to, you know, go and play for that club.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Like, dude, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Schedules, nuts, it's nuts.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
It's funny. It's funny you brought this up. But schedules
are you know, if you're a parent and you got
nine two kids that play and factfully you know they
both play football, one is also rows crew and my
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little one does you know basketball and baseball? So like
my wife and I divvy it up. And because I
helped coach and in the in baseball and and football
and ball basketball, I haven't head coach. But it's it's
so like crazy, the schedules, and like when you're looking
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at school versus travel and you gotta make you have
to decide, like hits the time we got like baseball
workouts and basketball practice or basketball game and then then
a football workout. Like it's nuts.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
How do we do it? Like, how do you navigate
this stuff?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Danny?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
It's very difficult, man, And it always hasn't been like this, right,
it's kind of like did your school and then like
in the off season there's potentially more you know, youth
and neighborhood leagues. But now it's again we talk about
every week. It's this billion dollar industry that's driven and
they're just trying to get you around as much as possible.
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And yeah, I don't know how parents are doing it.
I really don't.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You have to. It's sane, man.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And then they could like, you know, we work like
you want to go to Pebo. We we can't go
and make games at you know, before thirty.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
It's wild an it takes a village these day. They
always say it. I think it's more true than ever. Yeah,
multiple people that being to help out and drive.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Oh you're right, Oh you're so right.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I will sell. I will say this every day. I'm
in it. I I I love it. And part of
me is jealous because I think back to when I
was like I wish I had sports like this, like
like opitas, Like you know, we didn't like we didn't
practice like these kids practice. No, we didn't have you know,
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gym time, we didn't have off season workouts.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Oh my God, it would a dream.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Like if I was a kid today, you would every
day I would be, I would be you know, multiple
sports and yeah, I just be engulfed in it.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
The only negative I would say is we were forced
to go outside more and we we socially, Yeah, matured
because well, you played pick up like you got you
gotta talk to people. It's not as you gotta like
I still played every day, but like I was going
to different playgrounds and going to the parks, and you
gotta talk and you gotta, you know, use your voice,
and you gotta get in games and you gotta call
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next and argue, right, you gotta. Yeah, I push yourself
a little bit. So yeah, that's the only downside.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
But how about the arguments?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh my god, oh yeah, especially if you're playing the
older guys the worst.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, bully you off the Corey had the whole round. No,
I gotta waiting.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, all right, let's uh, let's discuss this
top story because this is wild to me.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
So E see you.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Has approached mister beast. It's actually a genius idea if
you think about it. But ECU approaches mister Beasts to say, hey,
why don't you invest one hundred million dollars to come
in and take over our program, our football program, and
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make us relevant.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah, it's so cool. And so for people who don't know,
mister Beast is like a content creator, social media guy,
but he loves doing challenges and he's the guy on
YouTube is he generates hundreds and billions of dollars. He's
he's brilliant. He loves taking challenges.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
He loves he's so big, he alone is bigger than
some movie studios, like the whole industry.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Oh sure, yeah, And again for people don't know, he
does like challenges. How long can you live in this story?
Take something away?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Each day?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
You get a million dollars if you complete the challenge.
So he loves these challenges. So he lives by cu.
He didn't go to the school, but he lives by it,
and he's hinted about it, Like, how cool would it
be if I made this underdog school and national champion
by giving them one hundred million dollars to build a program.
Imagine that?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Right?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
So if ECU gets this, you know, nil geft from
mister Beast and they're now they're in the market and
they're outbidden now issues in the world and they're outbidden
the Bamas, Right, what would that look like? Would the
money if it was closed or blowing people away? Would
the kids go to a small school with not the
nicest facilities to try to, you know, be a part
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of this movement. So it's a really interesting story. I
think he will donate one hundred million. I don't know
if that happens, but I do know he loves the
challenge and he would document it and find a way
to make money off it.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Oh my god, for me, yeah, I mean it would
DCU Pirates would sell all the merchant in the world
because they would be all over YouTube. The YouTube's number
one show would be all over it. Here's my only
thing though, A couple of things. One that kind of
already exists in Texas tech and even with the bigger
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programs LSU, right, like, because that one hundred million will
go fast, you better go get a great coach who's
gonna bring a great staff, right, so you know you're
gonna be paying your coach and your OC and DC
and you got to get dead to believe in it.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, it's it's multifaceted. Money doesn't solve it, all right,
You have to have some type of foundation. You got
to obviously have great coaching staff, and then you gotta
you know, you could run through it quick if you're
not strategic with the money, so then it doesn't happen
overnight like Indiana happened. Signette's a genius, right, but it
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happened pretty quick, so that I mean, that's their kind
of rationale behind it. But I don't think that's.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Easily duplicated now because of what you just said. The
fact is that you got sign that he's a great coach,
Like I don't think that we understand how great of
a coach he is. You know, we all acknowledge, but
when you actually step back, it is it is so important.
(16:17):
It's it's everything, especially in college sports, elite coaching in
football and basketball. It's just so important, but even more
so in football where it's such a big operation.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Oh for sure, it's it's just so much that goes
into it, right, There's so many different little aspects and
you know the depth and your strength and conditioning coach
and you know, every people just don't they see the
head coach and they think that's it. It's such a
big production and you need to have elite people across
the board. It's not just one person, right, it's not
(16:54):
just one person's mind. So that's a huge investment. And yeah,
I mean we talked about last week Rutgers, you know,
one of the worst teams in COYLEUD football recently, and
they're in this big financial pit. But they're spending thirty
million dollars on coaching staff for football every year.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah, and they're losing, and you're.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Losing and they're not winning right well, and you're losing
money because of the travel and everything else. Like I
just saw a thing last night where Penn State lost
fifty five million last year in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Yeah, if you're not winning, it's difficult to spend because
you're spending in these big conferences with the travel, you're
chartering jets. You know, you're flying all over the place
that you know what it cost to put these teams together.
When you're winning, money comes in, right, Like Old Miss
spent a lot, but they made a hundred million dollars
in football this year because they were successful. Right, you're
(17:50):
all chasing it, but you don't think about the programs
that are spending and losing. They're losing big time. Right,
they're losing on the field, but they're also losing fifty
one hundred million dollars in a year.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
If you're the only thing too, you're right, And how
do you keep up that?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Like, you know you can't. You can only lose it.
That kind of pays for so long before it's hey,
you know we're in some trouble. Like you can't hemorrhage
that sort of thing for that long. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I mean again, this is new territory for us. So
the question is how long before these programs say we're
out or we got to change conferences, we got to
go down to a smaller conference, Like when does that
actually happen?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
And yeah, and when does it split? Right? When does the.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Don't you think it's inevitable that you're going to have
I mean thinking of all the college basketball programs, because
it's easier to feel the college basketball program. How long
until we have the upper tier and the you know,
the lower tier. I hate to call on it, you know,
an A team and a B team or an A
league to be lee, but it certainly feels like it's
(19:04):
headed that way. Because you canna have relegation, you can
have more controlled costs in the B League.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah, it's gonna come to a head. I think if again,
we talked about Congress a lot. If Congress steps in
and makes them put some parameters around it, maybe we
don't get to that extreme. But if they don't, it's
gonna head there quick because it's just not sustainable to
pour this type of money and lose this type of
money on a year to year basis.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Hey, coming up, I want to talk about Amari bally
all right, who is visiting Grand Canyon University. It's his
first visit. He is a guy not only with the
he's a guy with EDBA experience. He's playing in the
(19:55):
NBA ten games. Will he go back to college and
play We got to discuss this. Also had a great,
great tweet from a listener who wants us to get
into referees and umpires and the shortage. It's a real problem.
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The story of Mari Bally The Absurdity Danny D d
A D. What is going on? Former UCLA and NBA
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basketball player is back on the scene.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Amari Bailey visiting Grand Canyon.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Uh, this is.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
A wild story. Ann give a little background for the listeners.
Amar Bailey's twenty one year years old. He was at
UCLA from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three. He
was one of the top high school players in the
country in twenty twenty two top five played at Sierra Canyon.
Well you know Lebron's kids. It was big time guard,
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top five player in the country, all this height. Once
to UCLA lacklock luster freshman year, but went out, decided
to be a one and done and he was drafted
forty first overall by the Hornets in the second round.
In that first year he was on the roster, he
played ten games. Since then, he's bounced around the G
(23:37):
League for three years. Now at twenty one, going to
be twenty two, he's going on college visits and he claims,
you know, he is, thinks they have legal standing. He's
going to be the first person to press this rule
of playing in the NBA actual games and being able
to return to college and teams are hosting them. Teams
(23:57):
are lined up to host them, and this will be
for next year. So there will be an appeal process
at some point. But he's visiting colleges as we speak
for next year potentially.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
So what happens, here's a question, what happens if he
does well and all of a sudden becomes an NBA
prospect again, Like, so you can't be drafted twice, so
White he's your free agent.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
That's a great a great question. And again we're in
the unknown, we're in uncharted territory. I don't think he
gets eligibility. I think there's no way they can go
against it. But the fact that people were entertaining this
is pretty wild. Now, he is twenty one, he's not
very old. He did the one year in college, but
he was drafted and he played ten games, so it's crazy.
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But the fact is he's in the G League and
he'll make probably four x if you were going to
go back to college playing in the G League. So
there's a lot of buzz going around about it right now.
And again, schools are entertaining them. It's not just Grand
Canyon has made the tournament. They win their conference a lot,
but bigger schools are also in the mix and entertaining this.
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And I'd be very interested to see how this plays out,
because if you're gonna take them, and you're gonna invest money,
and you better know he's eligible. So like, when does
that legal process start for his eligibility and what will
what will be the legal precedent that happens if given
this eligibility, it would be crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Part of me wants to say it because the anarchy
of it all. And here's the you'll thing if you're
if if you're a kid, who's that good? Who's playing overseas?
Like we've already started to see some of that where
you go, well, why am I going to go play
overseas and error and you know, in Europe or in
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China when I can now get paid at home at university.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, so if.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
They have any kind of eligibility left, is it like
a race to come back? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
I think their argument is going to be, is he's
in the age, right, and we allow people to do
this across seas. They play in their professional leagues for
a long time, and now they're coming to our colleges.
So I think they're going to push the homegrown thing
and like, hey, like this is happening a ton in
you know, all over Europe and all over you know,
these other countries, but you're not going to allow me
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to do it as a twenty one year old, you know.
I think that's going to be his argument. I could
be wrong, if I just had to guess, that's the
only avenue I see them trying to, you know, push
the limits to say there's professional leagues all over the
world people playing them, and then they're allowed to come
and play. But because it's our league that's professional, we're
not allowed to go back. Like, why is that the case? Yeah,
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ain't right, So I think that's good. I mean, I'm
speculating here, but I think that will be his lane,
which he tries to, you know, push through in this
legal document that they'll they'll bring I guess in the
coming weeks in front of the n C Double A.
So it should be interesting. But I would say they're
not going to grant his eligibility. I just think it
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opens up such a huge Pandora's box.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
So yeah, I yes, I don't know how you. I
don't know how you do it. I guess you know.
You're right. It's good, it does.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
It opens up that, But it feels like that's all
we do now is open up Pandora's box. True, And
a lot of times you open it up, you don't
want to see what's inside.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
That's why I want to stick to sports, all right,
So let's look at this thing now because I want
to get to the ref piece of it before before.
You know, usually we do mail box mail bag in
the in the last hour. This is too good, This
(28:02):
is too interesting to hold on to because it deserves
a conversation. Last week I got a DM from one
of our listeners, and I really appreciate it because it
was just spot on. Mike Boff. Mike said, listen, if possible,
(28:27):
can you guys address high school officials and parents or
lack of officials in high school because parents, especially to
the point of view of the official, are so out
of control. And this comes from Mike is a fifteen
year high school umpire. So first we appreciate you. There's
(28:50):
not enough umps. There's not enough football refs, there's not
enough basketball refs. It's a real problem.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I see it on the youth level, and.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
It's because these parents act like idiots. Too many parents
act the full during these games. It's absurd.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Yeah, so here's some stats. I mean, I see it
every day, but I did some research on this after
Mike reached out to us, and roughly fifty thousand high
school officials have quit since twenty nineteen. Fifty thousand. Over
half of the new refts have quit within the first
two years, and nearly seventy percent of them cite that
parent and fan behavior is the main reason. So just
(29:33):
put that perspective now. As an ad I see this
firsthand weekly. It's an issue. We don't have enough refs.
So when there's cancelations, bad weather, or we're trying to
get quality officials on games, it's not available. There's not
the flexibility that we once had. And I've been in
the athletic director now since twenty fourteen, so I've been
around for twelve years now, and it is I've seen
(29:56):
the drastic change and the drastic dip of the quality
and referees and you know, just the sustainability of them.
And Mike's right, there's a problem with you know, we're
injecting more money in the sports than ever, so people
are on edge and they all think their kid's going
to become this next, you know, multimillion dollar athlete, and
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they're going about it the wrong way, opposed to thinking
about it as something in activity to get them out
of the house and grow them socially and mentally. It's
messing up the system. So the money is great, and
then also like we're not paying these officials enough to
make it worth their while to get rated for two hours.
You know they're going to leave with one hundred dollars
seventy five dollars and they're getting screamed at and being threatened.
(30:38):
It's like, why would I do this, It's not worth it.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Right.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
So you know, before every game as an athletic, right,
I tell the refs or the yump or whatever the
case may be, the official, I say, hey, you tell
me someone's bothering you. I'll hold the ball. I said,
we won't start until they get in line or leave, right, Like,
I try to back them the best way I possibly can.
That's great, I understand it.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Right.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
There's been basketball games where fans have been out of
control and I'll say, don't tell me, and I will say,
all right, we're not starting a game until you go
or you behave yourself. We'll stop. You know that. That's
always kind of worked for me where I kind of
have to hold the game up because then everyone's looking
at them, it's turned on them, and be like, oh,
well you're acting out with we can't play now, right person.
So I try to bring it to light and you know,
(31:21):
back then. But it's it's a difficult it's a difficult
situation we're in and it's getting worse and worse, and
we allow these people to just scream and berate them
and no one's perfect. People are gonna miss calls. I
say it all, especially.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
At that level. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I have to remind myself as a coach to take
any like I don't I rarely, like I never berad
official brate. I mean, it's like argue a call.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Like I hear.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Coaches the little argue calls. Listen, it's not college, right,
it's not high school.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
When you're in when you're doing you know, youth.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Stuff, and I'm doing seventh and eighth grade. I bring
over the ref. I go, hey, do me a favor.
Watch twenty three. The kid he's pushing off for the
kids in the lane or you know, camping out, you know,
watch what this kid does. Or this kid's always holding,
you know, like in football. Hey, you know, mister Fisher,
(32:22):
what watch you know, watch eighty four he's holding every
play you know or whatever, like just just and and
they're always good and they and they watch it and
you not like you're gonna get the call all the time,
but you bring it to their attention because they're not.
First of all, you know, you look at it at
an NFL game or a college game, and you look
(32:43):
at the amount of refs. We got three refs the
wing football all right cover the whole field, so they're
gonna miss stuff basketball. These guys are so a lot
of these guys are older and not younger, and you
know they're gonna get up and down the floor. They're
gonna miss stuff. In baseball spots, the strikes owed like,
(33:03):
come on, man, you have to give me a break.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
You're arguing balls and strikes, and.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
You got to treat them like human beings. I always like,
I'll disagree with ref but I'll have a conversation, try
to have conversation with them one to one and say
like like you said, and point things out, have conversations
and it will get heated from time to time. But
at the end of the day, like we have to
understand that they're doing this. They're doing us a favor
by being here because there's the youth movement and officials
(33:29):
is dying, so we're getting much older officials and you
got to respect them because they're out there trying to work,
but they might not be able to get to this
spot to see it because they're not as nimble as
they once were right, So it's it's trickling down and
that causes you know, turmoil and some you know, you know,
some people getting upset and argument's happening.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Ah, who's waiting for them when you get out of
the gym. And these people are crazy. Absolutely, I've seen
it in youth games. Get stuff that stuff that said
to them, just the arguing. You know, I wanna you
know that, I'm gonna offer you out in a fight,
like come on, yeah, people.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
It's crazy and like I look, I was a player,
I was heated, I get into a rest, but I
would always be respectful at the end of the day
and never you know, threaten number. You know, you can
disagree all the time.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah you know, listen, I get a kid, now, you know,
I make it a rule, like you don't argue with him.
Let me argue if it's bad, you know, Like you know,
there are times when I lose it and go, oh.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
My god, dude, it was right for then you call that,
you know like that.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
It's tough, but you sure, you.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Gotta you have to respect it. You got you need
it because you don't have a game without it. Let's
take a quick t o and then we'll put a
little bow on this thing.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
And man, it's it's bad. I just see it. It's
a thankless, thankless job.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Project that I L Danny d and then me I'm
ag coming up X with Jeff schwartz Felas right here
on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back Project ni L. Now,
this goes out to one of our listeners, Joel who
(35:15):
is confused every week from five to six Eastern Danny
de Bernadine, this is the ad Penntrunner High School in Pennsylvania,
and me Anthony Garganto.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
We are we do Project down Al and this.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Show focuses on the NIL world from college. It's all
about the student athlete earning dollars. It's a huge world
between high school sports, youth sports, and the NIL world.
It's a huge, huge business. So we decided to tackle
(35:56):
it for an hour. Danny Dee's an expert in the field.
There's a lot of parents that listen, you know, ranging
from anywhere from t ball through high school who are
looking for scholarships in the college. What it takes, the
whole thing. The show covers that vast world. So that's
(36:18):
when people go, well, it's Super Bowl weekend, you're talking
about youth refs and schedules. That's what the show's about.
Just an fyi And if you want to reach us, Danny,
what's the best wedding for questions for you?
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Yeah, Daniel underscore D five to one five on.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Twitter at X and I'm at Anthony L. Gargano on
ex Anthony Lewis Gargano on on Instagram My Man Southside Chuck.
He said, it's hard to not imagine you going bananas
on the sidelines, and it's true. I mean, I'm not
(36:56):
gonna sound like I don't you know, get agitating, go crazy,
but you know, I also don't want to be that dude.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
No, and I'm and I'm an athletic director. I get
it in the moment, I get excited, but it's always
you know, respectful after the game, and it's never right.
The main point I'm trying to get across is the
parents and the sideline and the fans and these hand
ors and the family members. It's gotten a points where
people are getting you know, it's they feel unsafe and
(37:25):
it's becoming a trickle down effect. And you know, as
you know, people in athletics, we preach character, right, but
then instead we're letting you know, we're telling kids blame
the refs when things don't go your way, right, and
that's you know, pretty hypocritical. It's like, you know, you
got to look ourselves in the mirror and be accountable
when we mess up. And everyone messes up, refs mess up.
But we need them and we're losing them in these
(37:48):
different games and where there's not as much available, and
that means less games for our kids, right at every level.
It's not just at the high school level, it's at
the youth level as well. So we need to find
ways to cantinue to grow and develop referees and so
we can have continue to have these games or we're
not going to have them, right, So I'm always fighting
for them to try to be the highest paid league
(38:09):
wherever I'm at, I always try to push because then
that you know, attracts the best referees. And you know,
again having conversations with them and trying to support them
is also really important.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, yeah, you need it.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
And the parents also have to realize, like you know,
you're you're not getting perfect officiating like the balls and strikes.
Parents are crazy, like they go banadas every pitch it's like,
you know, guys, he's going to miss them sometimes. You know,
I get upset, like if you know you have a
(38:44):
tight you're squeezing the pitcher because I'm like, yo, get
the game, let the let the ball get in play.
So you got to have you can't be squeezing kids,
right because you want the ball and play. But you
got to just remember that it's you're getting inexperienced.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Guys for the most part. Hey, real quick.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Uh, And this is something we got to discuss uh
next week as well. But the players lost in this
whole nil boom are role players in walk ons. So
like in the NIL money is so top heavy that
what about these role players?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Are they getting anything? What's the deal?
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Yeah, they're they're getting lost in the shuffle. Recruiting wise,
there's been so many walk ons that have made impact
by the time they're done. And now these limits, these rosters,
they say, you know they used to you know, you
could have walk ons. They prefer walk on the way
they structure these rosters. Now it's harder for these kids
to push through, and it's it's becoming difficult and we're
(39:47):
losing them. Right, They're the role players in the walk
on the are getting lost in the shuffle, and next
week we'll really dive into that. Also, we'll dive in
next week. Dion Is being you know, kind of creative
where he's finding these players. He's saying, if you want
to get paid, we're gonna find you if you act
up or you miss meetings. So we'll dive into his
fine structure as well. I think it's pretty innovative and
(40:09):
I'm interested to see your thoughts on it.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
An yeah, I mean real off the bat, I like
it because I think there needs to be responsibility for
earning your paycheck for sure, right like you know, I
mean you know now now of a sudden, you gotta
be as hard on them, and like NFL guys, like
you know, you're gonna be missing, you're late, you're gonna
(40:32):
get fined.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
That's part of the landscape.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
You know, that's a big deal because that's gonna happen
to the next level now that you're getting paid and compensated, Well,
there's a responsibility that comes with it. I think dion
Is is right on uh idea.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
You're like the Super Bowl, Seattle, they're a better team.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
I think they win.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I think they I think they get after May. I
think that they're gonna make it tough for them.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
All right, all right, that's got Jeff Schwartz and I
coming up next to talk all about it.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Fellas. I went up next on Fox
You don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning, happy Happy
super Bowl edition of Project Nil. You heard the man.
Daniel de Bernadine is the ad for Penn Charter High School,
one of the oldest schools in the country. I'm Anthony Gargano.
(00:25):
The fellas is we convene every week getting into our
youth sports all the way up to college as the goal.
Project Nil. That's what it's all about. Everything in that world,
and today's show is interesting. I'd like to think all
(00:47):
of them are, but today's, especially as today show, is
about imbalance, not just money but power, behavior, responsibility. On
one end, we're gonna be talking about potential nine figure
nil deal. On the other, we're talking about refs quitting
youth games because adults just can't control themselves. Somewhere in
(01:08):
the middle, or role players walk holls and kids trying
to figure out if this system still has a place
for them. This is Project that I don't Today we're
asking a real question, are we building the future of
sports or slowly breaking the foundation that made it work
in the first place.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Good morning, Danny, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Cause how we doing?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Baby?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Super Bowl weekend I know how you holding up.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Man. Now, thank you, my brother.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I so appreciate you looking out for me, you know,
because it's a tough time as we say goodbye to football.
It's such a difficult time. I know, I want to cry,
I do. I have to be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Life for that.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Football sucks.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
It's a tough year for you, and I know I
know what. I got to keep giving you checkings. You know,
I'm like, that's on top of you. That makes sure
giving you some lovedoring a few days, you know, for
a few weeks.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Actually, I know.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I watched a little college hoop last night, Johnny's last
night on.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
The Big win for the Johnny's Yeah Garden at the Garden,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah it Listen.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I love college basketball, but and I'm a baseball man
as you know, and NBA and hockey. I love it all.
But there's nothing like it, man. It is the perfect sport.
And Sunday it's not. It's it's my least favorite of
the championship rounds.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Now. Obviously, if you're teams in it's different.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
It's gonna sound stupid because the super Bowl is just
this you know, American holiday. But what they've done to
the game, like that game itself. Is it about football?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I agree, of all the championships, I think that's very
fair to say. If your team's in it, obviously you're
you know, a lady, you're over the moon. I get that.
But yeah, it's it's a it's a it's a big show.
You know, it's it's a huge production. You know, the
time show, TV show, the commercials. You know, it's it's
(03:12):
a lot, but uh yeah show.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You know it's funny because the game lacks a little
bit of luster, right, I mean, you know, New England
it's a good, real good story. Drake made a great
story in Frable, was a hell of a coach, so
you go, okay, but they don't have the sex appeal.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I mean, think about the a f C with the Chiefs, right,
you were.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Thinking the Bills turn but you have a you have
and Drake has been terrific. But let's face it, he's
not my homes He's not Allan, doesn't have the flare
of Lamar.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
It's lacking the star power, right cool a Burrow, Yes,
and Seattle has this great defense, but they don't have
like known guys, right, there's not any big personalities. There's
not the star power that we're used to. Well said,
well big headlines, right and and they're both really good
football teams. I don't want to you know, talk down
(04:16):
on their you know, the seasons they've had. But that
being said as someone who's not in either fan base,
it is it's not it's not bringing it. It's not
bringing it for me, like obviously I watch it, but no.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Like if the Bills were in it, they would provide
the team of day, like you'd be interested, right like,
because if you have one of the teams being one
of those interesting or you know a little bit of
polarizing of the team, you at least split it up,
(04:50):
right hey man, See because Seattle, in fairness, Seattle is
the best team for sure in the NFC.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yes, overall, top of the out him they played great.
You know, the defense is elite. You know, the offense
gets it done, you know, but they don't have to. Again,
it's the star power we're lacking.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
The big name yeah, j San, I mean Donald, you know,
Donald's been terrific. Think about the think about the vikings,
how stupid man o man? And I know people go
they melted it down the whole line. But you you
got rid of Donald for McCarthy, it's almost unforgivable.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
I mean that that has to be the reason their
GM got fired.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
He has to be Yeah, herew that up.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
He had to push JJ. There had to be some
dissension within the camp because when it happened, I think
they just kept seeing Donald go further and further because
it was a late fire.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah yeah, I think they.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Were just like more irritated.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Irritated.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
And here's the other thing too, And if you look
at the way Rogers played, he played well, yeah, like
he must and he wanted to go to Minnesota and
imagine he was throwing to nobody in Pittsburgh. Imagine with
those receivers in Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Oh yeah, no, I mean he's still with those type
of receivers and that type of coach who was that
creative mind. You don't need to be a superstar quarterback.
You don't even have the biggest arm. You just gotta
you know, you gotta make the read and get the
ball out.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
No, I think he would have went. I think they
would have.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You know, they have a completely different season if Rogers
is the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yeah, I think I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Anyway, Uh, lots to get into this week. My brother
as we wind down basketball, what's the schedule? So we
got we got about what the uh about three weeks
most high school the high school championship for what first week?
Could the early March, right March, you know, March first
(06:58):
to the fifth.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yeah, a lot of championships are probably in the coming
three weeks. And then the state associations have their postseason tournaments.
So the one I'm most familiar with is in Pennsylvania.
They start up the first week of March, so all
the districts have to be wrapped up. They're champions who's
advanced their you know, their ranking systems, and then the
state tournament starts in March and that goes basically for
(07:23):
three of a good three weeks so till March around
twenty twenty fifth. So yeah, it's in the stretch run
for high school season. I can't believe it. We're about
to beat the spring. It's I'm excited, but it's also
mind blowing how fast it's gone. But yeah, great, Winter
sports is awesome. I love it. Everything's kind of close by,
(07:44):
at least for me as an athletic director, I'm able
to bounce around to three different games walking thirty feet.
You know, we've wrestled on going on, we have you know,
swimming and basketball, and you can just kind of they're
all indoors and where I'm at very located centrally, so
I get to see a lot in a little bit
of time. Wearing the spring and fall, you're kind of
(08:04):
like you're traveling, You're you're making big steps to get
to multiple sports in one day.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
So what time are you What time are your games?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
It varies sometimes right after school in the spring, the
spring and fall, mostly after school, unless it's football, it's
a night game or an afternoon on the weekend in
the winter. It could be anytime. We could be we
could play four, we could play seven thirty, five thirty.
Our league is uh, they let they allow you to
have night games on Friday, so a lot more flexibility.
(08:35):
But depending on the sport and depending on you know,
the location of the school, it can vary from anywhere
from four to seven thirty.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Okay, all right, yeah, it's it's uh, it's interesting because
how the schools now are you know, dipping into more
prime time stuff?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah for sure, Yeah, yeah, I mean there's a lot
of night games. But also like there's a lot of
like travel ball, which you should not be as prominent
in high school, but that's at night too, So school
sometimes trut a rab up brow so people can have
the option to, you know, go and play for that club.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Like, dude, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Schedules, nuts, it's nuts.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
It's funny. It's funny you brought this up. But schedules
are you know, if you're a parent and you got
nine two kids that play and factfully you know they
both play football, one is also rows crew and my
(09:41):
little one does you know basketball and baseball? So like
my wife and I divvy it up. And because I
helped coach and in the in baseball and and football
and ball basketball, I haven't head coach. But it's it's
so like crazy, the schedules, and like when you're looking
(10:04):
at school versus travel and you gotta make you have
to decide, like hits the time we got like baseball
workouts and basketball practice or basketball game and then then
a football workout. Like it's nuts.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
How do we do it? Like, how do you navigate
this stuff?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Danny?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
It's very difficult, man, And it always hasn't been like this, right,
it's kind of like did your school and then like
in the off season there's potentially more you know, youth
and neighborhood leagues. But now it's again we talk about
every week. It's this billion dollar industry that's driven and
they're just trying to get you around as much as possible.
(10:47):
And yeah, I don't know how parents are doing it.
I really don't.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You have to. It's sane, man.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And then they could like, you know, we work like
you want to go to Pebo. We we can't go
and make games at you know, before thirty.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
It's wild an it takes a village these day. They
always say it. I think it's more true than ever. Yeah,
multiple people that being to help out and drive.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Oh you're right, Oh you're so right.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I will sell. I will say this every day. I'm
in it. I I I love it. And part of
me is jealous because I think back to when I
was like I wish I had sports like this, like
like opitas, Like you know, we didn't like we didn't
practice like these kids practice. No, we didn't have you know,
(11:43):
gym time, we didn't have off season workouts.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Oh my God, it would a dream.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Like if I was a kid today, you would every
day I would be, I would be you know, multiple
sports and yeah, I just be engulfed in it.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
The only negative I would say is we were forced
to go outside more and we we socially, Yeah, matured
because well, you played pick up like you got you
gotta talk to people. It's not as you gotta like
I still played every day, but like I was going
to different playgrounds and going to the parks, and you
gotta talk and you gotta, you know, use your voice,
and you gotta get in games and you gotta call
(12:22):
next and argue, right, you gotta. Yeah, I push yourself
a little bit. So yeah, that's the only downside.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
But how about the arguments?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh my god, oh yeah, especially if you're playing the
older guys the worst.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, bully you off the Corey had the whole round. No,
I gotta waiting.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, all right, let's uh, let's discuss this
top story because this is wild to me.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
So E see you.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Has approached mister beast. It's actually a genius idea if
you think about it. But ECU approaches mister Beasts to say, hey,
why don't you invest one hundred million dollars to come
in and take over our program, our football program, and
(13:20):
make us relevant.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah, it's so cool. And so for people who don't know,
mister Beast is like a content creator, social media guy,
but he loves doing challenges and he's the guy on
YouTube is he generates hundreds and billions of dollars. He's
he's brilliant. He loves taking challenges.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
He loves he's so big, he alone is bigger than
some movie studios, like the whole industry.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Oh sure, yeah, And again for people don't know, he
does like challenges. How long can you live in this story?
Take something away?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Each day?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
You get a million dollars if you complete the challenge.
So he loves these challenges. So he lives by cu.
He didn't go to the school, but he lives by it,
and he's hinted about it, Like, how cool would it
be if I made this underdog school and national champion
by giving them one hundred million dollars to build a program.
Imagine that?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Right?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
So if ECU gets this, you know, nil geft from
mister Beast and they're now they're in the market and
they're outbidden now issues in the world and they're outbidden
the Bamas, Right, what would that look like? Would the
money if it was closed or blowing people away? Would
the kids go to a small school with not the
nicest facilities to try to, you know, be a part
(14:38):
of this movement. So it's a really interesting story. I
think he will donate one hundred million. I don't know
if that happens, but I do know he loves the
challenge and he would document it and find a way
to make money off it.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Oh my god, for me, yeah, I mean it would
DCU Pirates would sell all the merchant in the world
because they would be all over YouTube. The YouTube's number
one show would be all over it. Here's my only
thing though, A couple of things. One that kind of
already exists in Texas tech and even with the bigger
(15:14):
programs LSU, right, like, because that one hundred million will
go fast, you better go get a great coach who's
gonna bring a great staff, right, so you know you're
gonna be paying your coach and your OC and DC
and you got to get dead to believe in it.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, it's it's multifaceted. Money doesn't solve it, all right,
You have to have some type of foundation. You got
to obviously have great coaching staff, and then you gotta
you know, you could run through it quick if you're
not strategic with the money, so then it doesn't happen
overnight like Indiana happened. Signette's a genius, right, but it
(15:51):
happened pretty quick, so that I mean, that's their kind
of rationale behind it. But I don't think that's.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Easily duplicated now because of what you just said. The
fact is that you got sign that he's a great coach,
Like I don't think that we understand how great of
a coach he is. You know, we all acknowledge, but
when you actually step back, it is it is so important.
(16:17):
It's it's everything, especially in college sports, elite coaching in
football and basketball. It's just so important, but even more
so in football where it's such a big operation.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Oh for sure, it's it's just so much that goes
into it, right, There's so many different little aspects and
you know the depth and your strength and conditioning coach
and you know, every people just don't they see the
head coach and they think that's it. It's such a
big production and you need to have elite people across
the board. It's not just one person, right, it's not
(16:54):
just one person's mind. So that's a huge investment. And yeah,
I mean we talked about last week Rutgers, you know,
one of the worst teams in COYLEUD football recently, and
they're in this big financial pit. But they're spending thirty
million dollars on coaching staff for football every year.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah, and they're losing, and you're.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Losing and they're not winning right well, and you're losing
money because of the travel and everything else. Like I
just saw a thing last night where Penn State lost
fifty five million last year in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Yeah, if you're not winning, it's difficult to spend because
you're spending in these big conferences with the travel, you're
chartering jets. You know, you're flying all over the place
that you know what it cost to put these teams together.
When you're winning, money comes in, right, Like Old Miss
spent a lot, but they made a hundred million dollars
in football this year because they were successful. Right, you're
(17:50):
all chasing it, but you don't think about the programs
that are spending and losing. They're losing big time. Right,
they're losing on the field, but they're also losing fifty
one hundred million dollars in a year.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
If you're the only thing too, you're right, And how
do you keep up that?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Like, you know you can't. You can only lose it.
That kind of pays for so long before it's hey,
you know we're in some trouble. Like you can't hemorrhage
that sort of thing for that long. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I mean again, this is new territory for us. So
the question is how long before these programs say we're
out or we got to change conferences, we got to
go down to a smaller conference, Like when does that
actually happen?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
And yeah, and when does it split? Right? When does the.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Don't you think it's inevitable that you're going to have
I mean thinking of all the college basketball programs, because
it's easier to feel the college basketball program. How long
until we have the upper tier and the you know,
the lower tier. I hate to call on it, you know,
an A team and a B team or an A
league to be lee, but it certainly feels like it's
(19:04):
headed that way. Because you canna have relegation, you can
have more controlled costs in the B League.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah, it's gonna come to a head. I think if again,
we talked about Congress a lot. If Congress steps in
and makes them put some parameters around it, maybe we
don't get to that extreme. But if they don't, it's
gonna head there quick because it's just not sustainable to
pour this type of money and lose this type of
money on a year to year basis.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Hey, coming up, I want to talk about Amari bally
all right, who is visiting Grand Canyon University. It's his
first visit. He is a guy not only with the
he's a guy with EDBA experience. He's playing in the
(19:55):
NBA ten games. Will he go back to college and
play We got to discuss this. Also had a great,
great tweet from a listener who wants us to get
into referees and umpires and the shortage. It's a real problem.
(20:19):
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The story of Mari Bally The Absurdity Danny D d
A D. What is going on? Former UCLA and NBA
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basketball player is back on the scene.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Amari Bailey visiting Grand Canyon.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Uh, this is.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
A wild story. Ann give a little background for the listeners.
Amar Bailey's twenty one year years old. He was at
UCLA from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three. He
was one of the top high school players in the
country in twenty twenty two top five played at Sierra Canyon.
Well you know Lebron's kids. It was big time guard,
(23:15):
top five player in the country, all this height. Once
to UCLA lacklock luster freshman year, but went out, decided
to be a one and done and he was drafted
forty first overall by the Hornets in the second round.
In that first year he was on the roster, he
played ten games. Since then, he's bounced around the G
(23:37):
League for three years. Now at twenty one, going to
be twenty two, he's going on college visits and he claims,
you know, he is, thinks they have legal standing. He's
going to be the first person to press this rule
of playing in the NBA actual games and being able
to return to college and teams are hosting them. Teams
(23:57):
are lined up to host them, and this will be
for next year. So there will be an appeal process
at some point. But he's visiting colleges as we speak
for next year potentially.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
So what happens, here's a question, what happens if he
does well and all of a sudden becomes an NBA
prospect again, Like, so you can't be drafted twice, so
White he's your free agent.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
That's a great a great question. And again we're in
the unknown, we're in uncharted territory. I don't think he
gets eligibility. I think there's no way they can go
against it. But the fact that people were entertaining this
is pretty wild. Now, he is twenty one, he's not
very old. He did the one year in college, but
he was drafted and he played ten games, so it's crazy.
(24:50):
But the fact is he's in the G League and
he'll make probably four x if you were going to
go back to college playing in the G League. So
there's a lot of buzz going around about it right now.
And again, schools are entertaining them. It's not just Grand
Canyon has made the tournament. They win their conference a lot,
but bigger schools are also in the mix and entertaining this.
(25:12):
And I'd be very interested to see how this plays out,
because if you're gonna take them, and you're gonna invest money,
and you better know he's eligible. So like, when does
that legal process start for his eligibility and what will
what will be the legal precedent that happens if given
this eligibility, it would be crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Part of me wants to say it because the anarchy
of it all. And here's the you'll thing if you're
if if you're a kid, who's that good? Who's playing overseas?
Like we've already started to see some of that where
you go, well, why am I going to go play
overseas and error and you know, in Europe or in
(25:56):
China when I can now get paid at home at university.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, so if.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
They have any kind of eligibility left, is it like
a race to come back? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
I think their argument is going to be, is he's
in the age, right, and we allow people to do
this across seas. They play in their professional leagues for
a long time, and now they're coming to our colleges.
So I think they're going to push the homegrown thing
and like, hey, like this is happening a ton in
you know, all over Europe and all over you know,
these other countries, but you're not going to allow me
(26:32):
to do it as a twenty one year old, you know.
I think that's going to be his argument. I could
be wrong, if I just had to guess, that's the
only avenue I see them trying to, you know, push
the limits to say there's professional leagues all over the
world people playing them, and then they're allowed to come
and play. But because it's our league that's professional, we're
not allowed to go back. Like, why is that the case? Yeah,
(26:54):
ain't right, So I think that's good. I mean, I'm
speculating here, but I think that will be his lane,
which he tries to, you know, push through in this
legal document that they'll they'll bring I guess in the
coming weeks in front of the n C Double A.
So it should be interesting. But I would say they're
not going to grant his eligibility. I just think it
(27:16):
opens up such a huge Pandora's box.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
So yeah, I yes, I don't know how you. I
don't know how you do it. I guess you know.
You're right. It's good, it does.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
It opens up that, But it feels like that's all
we do now is open up Pandora's box. True, And
a lot of times you open it up, you don't
want to see what's inside.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
That's why I want to stick to sports, all right,
So let's look at this thing now because I want
to get to the ref piece of it before before.
You know, usually we do mail box mail bag in
the in the last hour. This is too good, This
(28:02):
is too interesting to hold on to because it deserves
a conversation. Last week I got a DM from one
of our listeners, and I really appreciate it because it
was just spot on. Mike Boff. Mike said, listen, if possible,
(28:27):
can you guys address high school officials and parents or
lack of officials in high school because parents, especially to
the point of view of the official, are so out
of control. And this comes from Mike is a fifteen
year high school umpire. So first we appreciate you. There's
(28:50):
not enough umps. There's not enough football refs, there's not
enough basketball refs. It's a real problem.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I see it on the youth level, and.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
It's because these parents act like idiots. Too many parents
act the full during these games. It's absurd.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Yeah, so here's some stats. I mean, I see it
every day, but I did some research on this after
Mike reached out to us, and roughly fifty thousand high
school officials have quit since twenty nineteen. Fifty thousand. Over
half of the new refts have quit within the first
two years, and nearly seventy percent of them cite that
parent and fan behavior is the main reason. So just
(29:33):
put that perspective now. As an ad I see this
firsthand weekly. It's an issue. We don't have enough refs.
So when there's cancelations, bad weather, or we're trying to
get quality officials on games, it's not available. There's not
the flexibility that we once had. And I've been in
the athletic director now since twenty fourteen, so I've been
around for twelve years now, and it is I've seen
(29:56):
the drastic change and the drastic dip of the quality
and referees and you know, just the sustainability of them.
And Mike's right, there's a problem with you know, we're
injecting more money in the sports than ever, so people
are on edge and they all think their kid's going
to become this next, you know, multimillion dollar athlete, and
(30:16):
they're going about it the wrong way, opposed to thinking
about it as something in activity to get them out
of the house and grow them socially and mentally. It's
messing up the system. So the money is great, and
then also like we're not paying these officials enough to
make it worth their while to get rated for two hours.
You know they're going to leave with one hundred dollars
seventy five dollars and they're getting screamed at and being threatened.
(30:38):
It's like, why would I do this, It's not worth it.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Right.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
So you know, before every game as an athletic, right,
I tell the refs or the yump or whatever the
case may be, the official, I say, hey, you tell
me someone's bothering you. I'll hold the ball. I said,
we won't start until they get in line or leave, right, Like,
I try to back them the best way I possibly can.
That's great, I understand it.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Right.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
There's been basketball games where fans have been out of
control and I'll say, don't tell me, and I will say,
all right, we're not starting a game until you go
or you behave yourself. We'll stop. You know that. That's
always kind of worked for me where I kind of
have to hold the game up because then everyone's looking
at them, it's turned on them, and be like, oh,
well you're acting out with we can't play now, right person.
So I try to bring it to light and you know,
(31:21):
back then. But it's it's a difficult it's a difficult
situation we're in and it's getting worse and worse, and
we allow these people to just scream and berate them
and no one's perfect. People are gonna miss calls. I
say it all, especially.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
At that level. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I have to remind myself as a coach to take
any like I don't I rarely, like I never berad
official brate. I mean, it's like argue a call.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Like I hear.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Coaches the little argue calls. Listen, it's not college, right,
it's not high school.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
When you're in when you're doing you know, youth.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Stuff, and I'm doing seventh and eighth grade. I bring
over the ref. I go, hey, do me a favor.
Watch twenty three. The kid he's pushing off for the
kids in the lane or you know, camping out, you know,
watch what this kid does. Or this kid's always holding,
you know, like in football. Hey, you know, mister Fisher,
(32:22):
what watch you know, watch eighty four he's holding every
play you know or whatever, like just just and and
they're always good and they and they watch it and
you not like you're gonna get the call all the time,
but you bring it to their attention because they're not.
First of all, you know, you look at it at
an NFL game or a college game, and you look
(32:43):
at the amount of refs. We got three refs the
wing football all right cover the whole field, so they're
gonna miss stuff basketball. These guys are so a lot
of these guys are older and not younger, and you
know they're gonna get up and down the floor. They're
gonna miss stuff. In baseball spots, the strikes owed like,
(33:03):
come on, man, you have to give me a break.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
You're arguing balls and strikes, and.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
You got to treat them like human beings. I always like,
I'll disagree with ref but I'll have a conversation, try
to have conversation with them one to one and say
like like you said, and point things out, have conversations
and it will get heated from time to time. But
at the end of the day, like we have to
understand that they're doing this. They're doing us a favor
by being here because there's the youth movement and officials
(33:29):
is dying, so we're getting much older officials and you
got to respect them because they're out there trying to work,
but they might not be able to get to this
spot to see it because they're not as nimble as
they once were right, So it's it's trickling down and
that causes you know, turmoil and some you know, you know,
some people getting upset and argument's happening.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Ah, who's waiting for them when you get out of
the gym. And these people are crazy. Absolutely, I've seen
it in youth games. Get stuff that stuff that said
to them, just the arguing. You know, I wanna you
know that, I'm gonna offer you out in a fight,
like come on, yeah, people.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
It's crazy and like I look, I was a player,
I was heated, I get into a rest, but I
would always be respectful at the end of the day
and never you know, threaten number. You know, you can
disagree all the time.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah you know, listen, I get a kid, now, you know,
I make it a rule, like you don't argue with him.
Let me argue if it's bad, you know, Like you know,
there are times when I lose it and go, oh.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
My god, dude, it was right for then you call that,
you know like that.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
It's tough, but you sure, you.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Gotta you have to respect it. You got you need
it because you don't have a game without it. Let's
take a quick t o and then we'll put a
little bow on this thing.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
And man, it's it's bad. I just see it. It's
a thankless, thankless job.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
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Speaker 3 (35:30):
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He said, it's hard to not imagine you going bananas
on the sidelines, and it's true. I mean, I'm not
(36:56):
gonna sound like I don't you know, get agitating, go crazy,
but you know, I also don't want to be that dude.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
No, and I'm and I'm an athletic director. I get
it in the moment, I get excited, but it's always
you know, respectful after the game, and it's never right.
The main point I'm trying to get across is the
parents and the sideline and the fans and these hand
ors and the family members. It's gotten a points where
people are getting you know, it's they feel unsafe and
(37:25):
it's becoming a trickle down effect. And you know, as
you know, people in athletics, we preach character, right, but
then instead we're letting you know, we're telling kids blame
the refs when things don't go your way, right, and
that's you know, pretty hypocritical. It's like, you know, you
got to look ourselves in the mirror and be accountable
when we mess up. And everyone messes up, refs mess up.
But we need them and we're losing them in these
(37:48):
different games and where there's not as much available, and
that means less games for our kids, right at every level.
It's not just at the high school level, it's at
the youth level as well. So we need to find
ways to cantinue to grow and develop referees and so
we can have continue to have these games or we're
not going to have them, right, So I'm always fighting
for them to try to be the highest paid league
(38:09):
wherever I'm at, I always try to push because then
that you know, attracts the best referees. And you know,
again having conversations with them and trying to support them
is also really important.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, yeah, you need it.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
And the parents also have to realize, like you know,
you're you're not getting perfect officiating like the balls and strikes.
Parents are crazy, like they go banadas every pitch it's like,
you know, guys, he's going to miss them sometimes. You know,
I get upset, like if you know you have a
(38:44):
tight you're squeezing the pitcher because I'm like, yo, get
the game, let the let the ball get in play.
So you got to have you can't be squeezing kids,
right because you want the ball and play. But you
got to just remember that it's you're getting inexperienced.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Guys for the most part. Hey, real quick.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Uh, And this is something we got to discuss uh
next week as well. But the players lost in this
whole nil boom are role players in walk ons. So
like in the NIL money is so top heavy that
what about these role players?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Are they getting anything? What's the deal?
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Yeah, they're they're getting lost in the shuffle. Recruiting wise,
there's been so many walk ons that have made impact
by the time they're done. And now these limits, these rosters,
they say, you know they used to you know, you
could have walk ons. They prefer walk on the way
they structure these rosters. Now it's harder for these kids
to push through, and it's it's becoming difficult and we're
(39:47):
losing them. Right, They're the role players in the walk
on the are getting lost in the shuffle, and next
week we'll really dive into that. Also, we'll dive in
next week. Dion Is being you know, kind of creative
where he's finding these players. He's saying, if you want
to get paid, we're gonna find you if you act
up or you miss meetings. So we'll dive into his
fine structure as well. I think it's pretty innovative and
(40:09):
I'm interested to see your thoughts on it.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
An yeah, I mean real off the bat, I like
it because I think there needs to be responsibility for
earning your paycheck for sure, right like you know, I
mean you know now now of a sudden, you gotta
be as hard on them, and like NFL guys, like
you know, you're gonna be missing, you're late, you're gonna
(40:32):
get fined.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
That's part of the landscape.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
You know, that's a big deal because that's gonna happen
to the next level now that you're getting paid and compensated, Well,
there's a responsibility that comes with it. I think dion
Is is right on uh idea.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
You're like the Super Bowl, Seattle, they're a better team.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
I think they win.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I think they I think they get after May. I
think that they're gonna make it tough for them.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
All right, all right, that's got Jeff Schwartz and I
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