In a new episode of Project NIL with Anthony Gargano & William Penn Charter School Director of Athletics Danny DiBerardinis discuss the pivotal college sports roundtable at the White House and how it impacts non-football and basketball sports moving forward.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 4 (00:11):
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Speaker 4 (00:23):
And uh, here's the deal, because coming up would be
a lot of fun. We're gonna get into a lot
of NTAA basketball stuff today because it's starting to heat up.
The conference tournaments one of my favorite times. They're starting
to heat up a little bit. So we're gonna get
a little bit into that today.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
President Trump yesterday had its meeting about and this great
roundtable they had about trying to fix college sports. And
it was interesting because one of the offshoots was to
go back to pre to go back to pre.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
N I L.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
And I gotta tell you, I don't know how that's possible.
I don't know how you can you could possibly do that,
like once you know, once you're once this whole thing's out,
I don't know how you do it.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
It's really it was really interesting, right.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
President Trump said Friday he will write an executive order
within a week that will solve all the problems brought forth.
You know, I don't know how that works. We have
our man, Good morning, It's Danny d the a d.
Daniel de Bernie denis athletic director of Penn Charter High.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
School in Philadelphia. Good morning, Danny d.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Good morning, sir.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I don't know how you can fix this. I don't
know how he's going to write an executive order to
fix this in a week.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Yeah, I think that's there's some lofty expectations over there.
But you know, at least there's some progress, you know,
I think the least they're you know, we're going in
the right direction. I think conversations being had very important.
So I'm enjoying that. I don't think you fix it.
You know, he's a very confident man. I think, you know,
his confidence is coming through. But I'm hoping that, you know,
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we continue to have some conversation, we continue to work
at it, because it's not going to be solved overnight,
right and we got to just stay at it, and
we got to you know, keep meeting, and I hope they,
you know, can come together and figure out a way
to you know, make this better for everybody, because right
now the system is fractured. It's not it's it's broken,
you know, and we got to make sure that we
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can figure it out.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
So this is what he said, so you know you quote,
I will have an executive order within one week, and
it will be very all encompassing, and we're going to
put it forward. We're going to get sued. We're going
to see how it plays. Okay, but I'll have an
executive order which will solve every problem in this room,
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every conceivable problem, within one week, and we'll put it forward.
We'll get sued. That's the only thing I know for sure.
All Right, I don't know how that works. Nick Saban
said his goal was to prepare the players for success
in life and create environment that would help them through
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personal development academic support. And he said, quote, I think
we need to come up with this system, but we
obviously have to do with the president's leadership and also
Congress probably whether it's antitrust legislation or whatever it is,
to allow student athletes in all sports, including women's and
Olympic sports, to enhance their quality of life while going
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to college, but still provide opportunity to advance.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Themselves beyond their athletic career.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
I mean, honestly, I know he brought up education and
nobody talks about education, and I get it. I don't
know how you go back overnight to the what it was,
and that's what it feels like that they that they
were trying to do.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Yeah, agreed, And we can't act like it just didn't happen, right,
We can't act like well like.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
No, I said, nobody's getting paid.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yeah we can we scholar ship right, Yeah, that's dead, right,
We're not. We're not going back to that. But the
question is, like, we got to find a middle ground
from where we where we once were to where we
are now. There has to be a landing spot in between,
I think, and hopefully through conversation and people you know,
looking at it through different lenses and having different perspectives
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from all different you know, avenues will be really important
to see where we end up at the end. And
hopefully they don't act too swiftly, right cause I think
if you just try, you know, fixing it overnight, like
they're saying, I think that could be.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
It's a big time trouble. Like you're not gonna fix
this overnight. You need a excuse me, you need a
a real committee, a governing body, and they need to
be empowered for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I completely agree.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
So that means like you got to stop the lawsuits, right,
because the n c double A lost all its power
because of the lawsuits. So there has to be some
sort of agreement, right, Like at some point, if you
play college athletics, you're either going to have to be
part of a union or like there's got to be something.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That will allow.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
An agreement between student athletes and the universities in the
system alone.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Yeah, and agree we needed and we need to figure
out the right balance. And that's I think that's what
comes back to it. Again, It's not going to happen overnight.
We got to continue to work at it. But I did, like,
you know, the diverse room that they had, right, there's
a lot of different people that have different backgrounds that
were you know, tied into this roundtable. So I'm interested
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to see what they might have come up with like
this early round the stages, and you know, hopefully we
can you know, grow it and have them stay involved.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Right, It's not just all right, meet once.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
I hope it's it's an open dialogue that continues to
keep happening, so we can you know, try to find
the best balance for it too.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And I don't know though who I mean.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I mean, like I'm skeptical the whole thing. Like, I
think the one of the issues is they're lumping everything together.
This is why I'm dubious they're lumping the whole thing together.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
They need to they need to add.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Split everything up by sports and have the main sports,
the money drivers, stand alone. Then you have everything else
and you could group those sports together. But football can't
coexist with basketball, with baseball and field hockey.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Yeah, we talked about that last week, like breaking at
the sport and deciding what's best for that sport.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Right.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
I understand we want uniformity and we want to make
sure that everyone it's it's easier for overall if everyone's
just following the same rules, but that doesn't make it
best for that sport, and I want it. I want
every sport to flourish, flourish, So whether that be volleyball, softball,
baseball to you know, squash and cricket. Right, we want
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every sport to find a system that works for them.
And I know it's a little bit more work in it,
and there might be you know, a lot more legwork
and we got to figure it out.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
But I think overall, question, let me ask you question,
what you have your main drivers, and then you have
everything else. Can't you group cricket and yeah, squash and
volleyball and field hockey.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Can't you lump those sports together? Right?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
And then you got the TV sports because there is
a dramatic difference between men's and women's basketball and squash.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Yes, So I think, yeah, I don't think it's like
two different buckets.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It might be like four buckets.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
And I think there's a lot of sports that are
very similar and the schedules can work the same way.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
But also I don't think it's just one and two.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
I think there's probably a three or four tier scheduling
thing or you know.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
We'll go through it, right. Let's go through it like
to me, you should be. You got football and we
went through it last week. It's the tier system, right.
You know the leagues are A through e all right,
like with one through five or A through e you
have five leagues or four leagues or ever you want
to group the teams, the group all the programs. Anybody
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that wants to play college football, any program, any university
that wants a college football program gets slotted in a tier, right,
And it's you know the SEC, Big ten, ACC, Big twelve,
and those leftovers are in the super in the Super League,
and you know then everything follows from there. Same thing
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with basketball. You have you know, four to five levels
of hoops. You have a championship, you have the NCAA,
the tournament. I mean, you know that could be bigger.
Maybe it's only three three leagues in basketball, or two
leagues in basketball because it's cheaper, and they're that's a standalone.
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But that's men's and women's together, right, Okay, so you
put your group men's and women's together, then you have
baseball because baseball is different, right, it's got to be
a standalone.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
And baseball.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
You have to decide whether you want to be a
real baseball program or you want to be a club team,
all right, because there's a lot of like much to
my chagrin, Maya Alma Modist Temple, which used to have
a pretty good program and they went to a club team.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Right, So either you've got to be a club team
and not.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Take it serious, or if you take it serious, you
have a real team and then that belongs in its
own grouping.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
And softball can go with baseball because obviously seasons aligned, right,
whether it kind of aligns right.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Like what they need for success.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
They align right, similar sports, so you can put them
like you did with men's and women basketball baseball.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
You're not you're not paying them the same though. I
mean you can't because one generates more revenue than the other.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Yeah, I mean in that happens right now, right, like right,
like women's basketball is nil, but it's not to the
level of men's and true, yeah, so it's happening now.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
It's basketball is huge.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Uh it's bigger than softball, but it's just it's a
huge thing.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
But you're right, like you you have that tier, so
you could group those together.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You put them together.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
And again, I think what's important, Like we talked about
like certain sports, it's easier to travel because it's once
a week, but like there're sports that happened like baseball
and softball, you could play three four games in a week, right,
So we can't have that travel set up. We have
to be more strategic with it. Like we can't have
you know, a team from the East coast going out
west on a Tuesday, just not sustainable.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
It's too much money.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Uh So after that, so you got you got that
whole crew, right, you have all that going on now
what Now you have all the other sports golf, right,
because college golf is a pretty big deal, right, so
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you my assumption would that's its own and all those
sports volleyball, golf can be in its own conference, though.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
They could, but it varies.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
I think it varies because again, travel becomes important. Like
sports are different, Like golf is a warm weather sport, right,
so like that doesn't always translate to you know, an
indoor sport.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
That is, it doesn't matter where you play it, right,
So I think you have to put that in perspective.
That's what I'm saying. We're getting into weeds of it
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
But similar, they can be skeed, you know, the divisions
can be similar, right, I think they're similar, but I
think you'd have to tweak how how the format is
and the scheduling of of certain sports.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
And seasons matter.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Too, right because yeah, fall, verse spring, all that comes
into play when you're breaking it down.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
But the o'rell arching model.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Is we have these sports that are driven by you know,
advertising dollars and TV dollars, but that doesn't mean these
other sports aren't as important, and we still need to
find ways to elevate them and try to make them maximize.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
That stage as well. That's all.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
That's basically my message is the sports that might not
be as popular, I still want to find a way
to elevate and make sure that we're getting them the
most attention is possible as well.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, I don't want to sound callous here about it
because I think it's important, but you're you got to
treat it like a business, right, Like in this interesting
question for somebody like you who runs everything and God
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bless you, like you're so good at you know, trying
to make sure all the kids, every every athletic endeavor
works and you got the resources for for kids. I
think that's great and I think it's noble, but you
have to separate the other the other sports, so you
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could treat them like a business and the other sports
like a collegiate endeavor.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Yeah, for sure, and just with that opportunity for it
to grow, because you never know what's going to happen, right,
I'm fine, Right, we just have to be open and
and you know, don't have something like this sport is
in this group.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
It's stuck here for life. Like we talk about the
teams like if you.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, like like wrestling is a big is a big deal.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Huge wrestling too that I'm saying, like it's those sports
that like, wrestling is huge, it's a huge deal.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
It's spread across the country, right, Like I was really good,
Penn State's really good. Yeah, you know, it's spread out.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
It's not to a certain region, right it obviously it
probably leans more east, but like, it's definitely a sport
that is great, and and it's growing with m m
A and these other sports. Professionally, it's growing because these
elite wrestlers are now having uh after the Olympics, there's
they're they're getting into the combat sports.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Oh right with MMA, sure an avenue for them.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
It's it's so interesting, man, I gotta tell you, I'm
fascinated by that. I and I you know, you get
all these people together in a room and it's it's
it's you know, it's it's a cool thing. I just
don't know how he's gonna he's gonna draw something up
to fix this in a week.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Oh yeah, I think that's completely unrealistic.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I mean, and forget about you know, fixing it, right,
but how do you draw something up that would would
even come close?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Because if I don't know about you, but reading.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
The story, now obviously we weren't in the room, but
reading the story, it felt like everybody was trying to
lean through pre nil days and go back and look,
I get an education matters.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
The problem is.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Once you go this far, I don't know how you
go you go back anywhere close to that.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Line, you can't. You can't.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
And again, we opened up Pandora's box. Right, we didn't
have the guidelines, right. We were all for these kids
getting paid, right, we wanted to be supported that, but
there needed to be guardrails and they just opened it
up and made it the wild West.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
So now you can't.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
We can't put everything back in the box. So it's
important that again, I think we continue to meet and
understand it opposed to just trying to fix it overnight,
because that's that's just impossible and it's unrealistic.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's uh. And again I and this will
be it because I want to get to the college.
I'll get to basketball and the tournament and I want
to kind of get into the conference tormats today and
whether or not they mad. And after yesterday, after last
week where we kind of went over the we went
over the the how to reimagine college football. I started
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to think about the tournament and the and the NCAA
tournament and how you could add because they are talking
too adding and I want to get with that, uh
coming up shortly, but just to put a kind of
neat bow on it. If President Trump said to you, hey,
Danny d give me the three overarching things that needs
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to be done so I can put in this bill
and get it through Congress, what would you do?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
That's a good question. I think again, there's gonna be
like three topics.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Right, yeah, so it has to be you know again,
I think we have to put parameters around it all.
I mean, we'll get me my get into it. Today,
Like certain states, like it's like NFL sports style, people
are finding loopholes where states.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Are saying we're not going to tax nil earnings.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
So certain states have a pretty big, you know, ten
fifteen percent advantage over other schools, right, just naturally, so
like there has to be overarching things that are universal
to the sport.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
So they have this fakes out.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, that's a big deal.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Like if you're not going to attach states aren't going
to tax that, it comes like it's crazy yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
And certain states don't already have it, and then other
states are saying, hey, we want to move towards it,
like Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
You know, there's there's something I saw that.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yeah, there's some momentum behind legislation that says, hey, we're
going to move away from state tax on. We'll make
it take tax exempt on an il money to give
our give our university an advantage. So again like things
like that. Now in professional sports that's a real thing
as well. But I think we need some universal rules
that apply. Like we talked about the transfer thing, that's
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really important, right. I think that's one of my main
this free agency thing.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
We have to have some type.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Of parameters on it to find that balance. So that
would be my main focus right off the bat.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Okay, so the portal you want to get hit your
portal and eligibility would they be one.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Too, like I think the portal, And then my next
thing was gonna be length of eligibility, right, that's also important,
and then finding ways to kind of elevate them, you know,
the smaller schools so that they're not just getting Pilford
every every year. And we kind of talked about last
week and our idea was there should be some conversation.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Like dar I liked all I liked our ideas. I
thought ours we had the six year flat, six year
eligibility yep, which included all your transfers, all red shirts
like you're injured. So we we came up with six
years being being fair yep.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
And if you're trace for it up, that school which
has more means would then compensate the lower school. They
would get some type of conversation for taking you, and
then we don't want to hold anyone back. We want
them to continue to grow and go up, but we
also don't want the small schools just always getting, you know,
the short end of stick for believing in somebody.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Right, at least they get they get compensated, which will
help them in their league.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yes, we're gonna take quick to you. We'll come right back.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
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Back, coming, coming, back. Maybe, Hey, a couple of things. One,
so let me ask you of the tour. There was
there was some talk about it, and I do believe
they're going to do this and expand the tournament. And
Coach k was vehemently against it. He said, you got gold,
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you don't need to expand it. And MY initial reaction
was to agree with him. Right, My initial reaction was, yeah,
I mean, like, you know, it said sixty four, the
four plays making sixty eight, So the sixty eight at
the sixty four what do you do? Do you do
more playans? And I was like Eh. Then I started
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to think about it, and I agree with you. I think, gohead,
expand it if you if you add twelve teams, say right,
because you got to go within in criminton four yep.
And you could then whack up the games and extend
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Thursday Friday into Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday for the first round.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Yeah, I mean, that's all you're doing is adding on
that first week a couple of dates, which I love.
And this is and we'll get into it, but my
big thing is like these mid majors, right, like this Miami, Ohio,
if they don't win their conference tournament.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
People are talking about them not getting in.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I mean that's ridiculous. It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
So that you could go, you know, thirty and one
and losing your conference tournament and they're saying, well, that's
a bad conference.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
We're only gonna give them one.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
And basketball, it's it's like, not like every sport you
got a fighters chance.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Man, it's not.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
It's not football, right, it's not. You know, you guys
got to you gotta shot. Especially. You see that every
year in a tournament, and some of these conferences just
get overlooked.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And I think it's unfair.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
And that's why conferences are kind of trying to stack
their tournament so their best team is rewarded to get there.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Right, I mean, conferences are changing.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
You know, the Sun Belt did this Gauntlet tournament conference tournament.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
You think it's cool, the Gauntlet tournament.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
But wherever, what place you come into, where you you
finish in the standings, is the amount of buys you get, right, Like,
so it's about to get So what's funny.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
So the top team you came in.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
First one and two, go to the semi finals, boom.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Right automatically, and everything else is all bought. Everybody makes
a tournament too.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, so you're just playing.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
You're playing each other like everyone plays, and you have
to work your way up. So it's a it's a
pretty it's like a baby March madness where.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
You gotta work your way, but you're playing.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
So if you truly get hot, you deserve it, but
you were gonna pull you through the gauntlet to get there.
And it also ensures their best teams are set up
the best way right to to you know, get that bit,
because they know they're only going to get one and
if a team goes well in the tournament, it's good
for their conference. They don't want their team to go
there and just get spanked. So this way it kind
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of ensures their better teams have the best opportunity and
then that way their conference is represented. And if you
win a game or two, that's tons of revenue for
your conference and it gives a different prestige and it
elevates you. So that's why it's important, and I understand
why teams are going that way now.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
So you know the idea that Miami l gets you show,
it's Miami oh one last night to go thirty one
to oh.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
They finished.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
The RedHawks finish their regular season thirty one and oh
they won in overtime in.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
The last four games and have been like overtime or
one by two. Right, they're impressed. They got the you know,
they got the aim. You know, everyone's got their aim
on them. They're getting them their best shot and they're surviving.
But what happens if they lose in their first round
of the conference tournament?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I mean, you can't go thirty one to oh and
not make the tour.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I agree they have to be I mean.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Bruce Pearl went out was talking about eleven team from
the SEC.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Are we serious?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
That's like, I know his kid coaches coaches the team,
but yeah, stop stop, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
No chance.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
And even they historically get one team, that's a good conference,
they're two teams, right, Like, but if you know, you
know at the top of a ten is a VC
used the two seed, and uh, who's the one seed
this year?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I'm trying to think, I know, Saint Joseph the three seed.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
But yeah, if that team loses, there's a good chance
they don't get in the tournament.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I mean that's insane.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
I mean that that would be That would be ridiculous.
All right, So let me ask you about these conference torments.
You mentioned the Gauntlet, right, so what do you think
tell me about you know that conference, these conference ornaments
still matter. You sent me, Uh we were texted, and
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you sent me a thing about how you still believe
that these conference tournaments are important.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I do. I think they're important for a lot of
different reasons.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Right, we give everyone an opportunity, but we wouldn't they
wouldn't There wouldn't be such an emphasis on it if
we expanded the field like to eight, like you said, Adam,
twelve teams. I think that it alleviates some of the
the stress of these tournaments.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
But they're they're great for the conference. They create buzz.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
You know, it kind of gets everyone repped up for
what's to come next.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
And uh, it gives everyone, you know, a fighter's chance,
which I love.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
You know, we got to keep room for the underdogs,
and you know see how it all shakes out. And
but you know, everything in this field is you know,
they put so much value on these quad one wins.
But you know they these smaller schools also, which people
don't know, they struggle to get games sometimes there's a
good teams in these mid majors the low majors, the
bigger schools aren't going to play them. So you say
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you don't have enough quad one wins. It's like they
can't schedule them because they're dangerous, so they don't want to.
The bigger teams don't want to.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Have a loss to admit to low major.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
But also for them, it's like, we can't schedule those games.
We can't get them.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Yeah, how we're supposed to, you know, make a name
and get in and then if we're you, we can't
get it. We can't get a schedule.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, And then that's not fair to them either.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
So that's why I think expansion is something that could
go over well. And again it would only affect that
first week.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
It's somebody tell me that the conference tournaments are on that.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Sorry, no, I disagree with that.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
It brings in some like these these conferences need revenue.
Their conference tournament bring in revenue.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You know, and it kind of.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
It's good for the game, you know, like what what's
the alternative? Just the top team for the regular season
goes to the tournament or we just stop it there.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I mean, that's what this is not.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
What I agree with you. I I like it.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I think it's a little baby, like you said, baby tournament,
and I think it's fun.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I think there's a listen.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Back in the day, you know, acc Big East tournaments
were unbelievable, man, Yeah, you know, legendary like those, those
were legendary moments, right of these schools like Yukon going
on a run in the Big East and they carrying
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it over to the DNC Double A tournament and winning
the whole thing, like they got hot, they played, you know, played,
you got hot, you had a great week, and you
carried it over into the big dance.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
No, and the and usually teams that get hot then
they're going a little bit of run there, so they
start dancing a Y're in the sweet sixteen before you
know it, right, So I kind of like that momentum
because there is already a gap. So I woll they
just I don't know the alternative. Maybe it's just they
just pushed the you know games until you know.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
They get you just have a couple more regular yeah,
the couple regular season games.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
And people say, well, devalues the regular season, and I
mean I don't think it does. I mean, you know,
it's like the NBA where the regular season.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
You know, goes on all you know, another month and
a half.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, you know, I think again.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
And it gives college basketball in NCAA tournament. You know,
it's famous for the madness, right.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
This is that That's part of it, right, that's the
lure of it.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
This conference, these conference tournaments mean a lot to these
the schools.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You know, you know, you're not you're not done, ntil
you're done.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
You could have injuries and your season could be you know,
not what you think. But if you get hot in
the right time, man, it's it's it's a fun time.
So I love that part about college basketball, and I
think it's important to keep keep it at its core.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
All right, coming up, I want to shift back down
to youth and high school stuff, uh, particularly baseball. So
I had a dad said, he sent me an email
talking about reimagining sports. We reimagined college football. He said,
(32:41):
I want you to reimagine youth baseball because it's that
time of the year where kids are going to start
going into tournaments and it is ridiculous. I want to
lay this out to you. Okay, So we'll dive into
youth base ball coming up next project, Nil, Danny d Dad,
(33:05):
I'm Anthony Gargana from the Fellas right here on Fox Sports.
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D So, I get a note from one of our
listeners who is who really wanted us to reimagine youth baseball,
And I'm down with this because I've lived youth baseball.
(34:22):
Six you we started t ball, right, yeah, like we
started t ball, and I've coached it up almost every level, right,
now we're at thirteen U. All right, So what happens
is you go and you have your you play these tournaments,
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and these are weekend tournaments where you can play, you know,
anywhere from guarantee three games up until like six to
sometimes eight games right over course of a weekend, depending
on the size. Oh man, Well, and it's and it's
completely ridiculous, right because you travel, you know, in my case,
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I mean, you'll travel up to you know, across the
tri state area, right we're in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware,
so we'll travel across that. And then of course there's
these bigger tournaments that are national tournaments. We've been in
South Carolina, We've been to Pigeon Fork in Tennessee. There's
one in Florida. There's a great one in Ripken in
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Maryland at the Ripkin Facility. So you have perfect game tournaments.
And I like all the PG stuff, and I like
all the stuff, but here's the thing. The tournament play
is antithetical to the sport because you burn kids' arms off.
You're burning you can't play multiple multiple games.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Not healthy to be out of the weekend.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
It's not good. It's not healthy.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
And then were these kids are growing, they're still developing.
We we've talked about before, like they don't know what.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Their body is yet and they're not a naturally not
going to have that the perfect motion are perfect slot.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
So they're just putting a lot of wear and tear.
And if you're making them play up to six.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Games and you know, three four day's, it's it's not
sustainable because a lot of these teams don't have the
arms like you know, use ball. I mean when I play,
we like two three pitchers max, right, And that's kind
of we kind of rolled with it. But yeah, especially
you know if someone you know don't have their stuff
that day, you're going to go back to the other kid.
And uh, it's not it's not it's not a sustainable operation,
(36:39):
especially for these kids if we want them to if
the you know, the main thing is for them to
grow and develop, and this is part of you know,
this is what they're here for. It is this use
ball to grow and you know, push your love of
the game and help them understand things. That's not sustainable
and that's not the way to go about.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
It, right, So if you play it, I guess it,
max would be six games right for unless there's I.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Think one weekend, because sometimes if you go to the
losers bracket, you gotta play more now.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, lose early on and you got it.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
All depends Some of them don't have losers brackets, some do,
and it depends on the size of the tournament. The
worst thing, dude, is when and this is what nobody
talks about, is that you get to the field by
eight o'clock, right, which means that we got an eight
am game, so we gotta get to the field by seven.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
We gotta hit, we gotta warm up right then, and
then you win and then you go.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
You're playing again at noon, right, so you're waiting around
a little bit, and you're playing again at three, and
you're playing again at six. It's a it's an all
day marathon. These kids lose focus and interest.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, agree, Like what.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Are we doing? Like these kids they're not even they're
now going through the motions. They're not even enjoy themselves.
Locked in.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
It's mentally too like it's just a it's too much
for anyone to be to expect it.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Can't play three games in the day, sometimes four, but
most of the time you're playing two to three games.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
On a Sunday. You can't play three games on a Sunday.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Yeah, no, I agree, I think they have to again.
And part of the reason they're doing this is it's
you know, it's a cash cow.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
So there's a money grab.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
You know, you're paying whatever it is, you know, six
thousand for uh A spring league, right, so every family's
got to pay you around six grand. And that includes
the entry feed, all the tournaments and everything else.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
I mean it's expensive.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Then you and then they have the goal to charge
parents to come in and watch the team, watch their
kids play.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
That that's the new you know that that's more recent,
but that's the that's the.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Model though, that's a the model to just shake parents
money out of.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
It's crazy, but that's how these they they've found a way.
They say, all right, we're going to charge you for
the tournament, but then also we're going to charge an
entry fee.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
And that is the I've seen it more and more.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
It's you know what I mean, like that basketball a lot.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
There's basketball events where you know you're paying au and
it's fifty dollars to come in for the day.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Say, oh, you have a you have to get a
day pass.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
Your kid might be playing one game that day day
pass like that.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
That's ridiculous, that's shameful, shameful. Yact like dact like it's
the it's it's the NBA. Like who's watching these kids
other than parents and family.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Now, it's a racket, and we've talked about it. Some
of the first is we need to invest in the
local community. And you know, these city leagues and these
county leagues need to be stronger where we can you know,
invest in them through you know, the local government or
local you know, city council. Because it's a racket out there,
and it's totally it's not fair.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
It's it's not right. It's not right that parents get
gowles this way. It's terrible. You want to President Trump
needs to get into into use sports.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Let's get a round table, me and round table with
President Trump and a gang.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
I love it. I love it, boy goes by face. Everybody,
thanks for hanging the fellas. Coming up next,
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
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Speaker 4 (00:11):
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Speaker 3 (00:20):
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Speaker 4 (00:23):
And uh, here's the deal, because coming up would be
a lot of fun. We're gonna get into a lot
of NTAA basketball stuff today because it's starting to heat up.
The conference tournaments one of my favorite times. They're starting
to heat up a little bit. So we're gonna get
a little bit into that today.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
President Trump yesterday had its meeting about and this great
roundtable they had about trying to fix college sports. And
it was interesting because one of the offshoots was to
go back to pre to go back to pre.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
N I L.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
And I gotta tell you, I don't know how that's possible.
I don't know how you can you could possibly do that,
like once you know, once you're once this whole thing's out,
I don't know how you do it.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
It's really it was really interesting, right.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
President Trump said Friday he will write an executive order
within a week that will solve all the problems brought forth.
You know, I don't know how that works. We have
our man, Good morning, It's Danny d the a d.
Daniel de Bernie denis athletic director of Penn Charter High.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
School in Philadelphia. Good morning, Danny d.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Good morning, sir.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I don't know how you can fix this. I don't
know how he's going to write an executive order to
fix this in a week.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Yeah, I think that's there's some lofty expectations over there.
But you know, at least there's some progress, you know,
I think the least they're you know, we're going in
the right direction. I think conversations being had very important.
So I'm enjoying that. I don't think you fix it.
You know, he's a very confident man. I think, you know,
his confidence is coming through. But I'm hoping that, you know,
(02:21):
we continue to have some conversation, we continue to work
at it, because it's not going to be solved overnight,
right and we got to just stay at it, and
we got to you know, keep meeting, and I hope they,
you know, can come together and figure out a way
to you know, make this better for everybody, because right
now the system is fractured. It's not it's it's broken,
you know, and we got to make sure that we
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can figure it out.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
So this is what he said, so you know you quote,
I will have an executive order within one week, and
it will be very all encompassing, and we're going to
put it forward. We're going to get sued. We're going
to see how it plays. Okay, but I'll have an
executive order which will solve every problem in this room,
(03:04):
every conceivable problem, within one week, and we'll put it forward.
We'll get sued. That's the only thing I know for sure.
All Right, I don't know how that works. Nick Saban
said his goal was to prepare the players for success
in life and create environment that would help them through
(03:26):
personal development academic support. And he said, quote, I think
we need to come up with this system, but we
obviously have to do with the president's leadership and also
Congress probably whether it's antitrust legislation or whatever it is,
to allow student athletes in all sports, including women's and
Olympic sports, to enhance their quality of life while going
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to college, but still provide opportunity to advance.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Themselves beyond their athletic career.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
I mean, honestly, I know he brought up education and
nobody talks about education, and I get it. I don't
know how you go back overnight to the what it was,
and that's what it feels like that they that they
were trying to do.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Yeah, agreed, And we can't act like it just didn't happen, right,
We can't act like well like.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
No, I said, nobody's getting paid.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yeah we can we scholar ship right, Yeah, that's dead, right,
We're not. We're not going back to that. But the
question is, like, we got to find a middle ground
from where we where we once were to where we
are now. There has to be a landing spot in between,
I think, and hopefully through conversation and people you know,
looking at it through different lenses and having different perspectives
(04:48):
from all different you know, avenues will be really important
to see where we end up at the end. And
hopefully they don't act too swiftly, right cause I think
if you just try, you know, fixing it overnight, like
they're saying, I think that could be.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
It's a big time trouble. Like you're not gonna fix
this overnight. You need a excuse me, you need a
a real committee, a governing body, and they need to
be empowered for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I completely agree.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
So that means like you got to stop the lawsuits, right,
because the n c double A lost all its power
because of the lawsuits. So there has to be some
sort of agreement, right, Like at some point, if you
play college athletics, you're either going to have to be
part of a union or like there's got to be something.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That will allow.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
An agreement between student athletes and the universities in the
system alone.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Yeah, and agree we needed and we need to figure
out the right balance. And that's I think that's what
comes back to it. Again, It's not going to happen overnight.
We got to continue to work at it. But I did, like,
you know, the diverse room that they had, right, there's
a lot of different people that have different backgrounds that
were you know, tied into this roundtable. So I'm interested
(06:15):
to see what they might have come up with like
this early round the stages, and you know, hopefully we
can you know, grow it and have them stay involved.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Right, It's not just all right, meet once.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
I hope it's it's an open dialogue that continues to
keep happening, so we can you know, try to find
the best balance for it too.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And I don't know though who I mean.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I mean, like I'm skeptical the whole thing. Like, I
think the one of the issues is they're lumping everything together.
This is why I'm dubious they're lumping the whole thing together.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
They need to they need to add.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Split everything up by sports and have the main sports,
the money drivers, stand alone. Then you have everything else
and you could group those sports together. But football can't
coexist with basketball, with baseball and field hockey.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Yeah, we talked about that last week, like breaking at
the sport and deciding what's best for that sport.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Right.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
I understand we want uniformity and we want to make
sure that everyone it's it's easier for overall if everyone's
just following the same rules, but that doesn't make it
best for that sport, and I want it. I want
every sport to flourish, flourish, So whether that be volleyball, softball,
baseball to you know, squash and cricket. Right, we want
(07:42):
every sport to find a system that works for them.
And I know it's a little bit more work in it,
and there might be you know, a lot more legwork
and we got to figure it out.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
But I think overall, question, let me ask you question,
what you have your main drivers, and then you have
everything else. Can't you group cricket and yeah, squash and
volleyball and field hockey.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Can't you lump those sports together? Right?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
And then you got the TV sports because there is
a dramatic difference between men's and women's basketball and squash.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Yes, So I think, yeah, I don't think it's like
two different buckets.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It might be like four buckets.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
And I think there's a lot of sports that are
very similar and the schedules can work the same way.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
But also I don't think it's just one and two.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
I think there's probably a three or four tier scheduling
thing or you know.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
We'll go through it, right. Let's go through it like
to me, you should be. You got football and we
went through it last week. It's the tier system, right.
You know the leagues are A through e all right,
like with one through five or A through e you
have five leagues or four leagues or ever you want
to group the teams, the group all the programs. Anybody
(09:12):
that wants to play college football, any program, any university
that wants a college football program gets slotted in a tier, right,
And it's you know the SEC, Big ten, ACC, Big twelve,
and those leftovers are in the super in the Super League,
and you know then everything follows from there. Same thing
(09:35):
with basketball. You have you know, four to five levels
of hoops. You have a championship, you have the NCAA,
the tournament. I mean, you know that could be bigger.
Maybe it's only three three leagues in basketball, or two
leagues in basketball because it's cheaper, and they're that's a standalone.
(09:55):
But that's men's and women's together, right, Okay, so you
put your group men's and women's together, then you have
baseball because baseball is different, right, it's got to be
a standalone.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
And baseball.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
You have to decide whether you want to be a
real baseball program or you want to be a club team,
all right, because there's a lot of like much to
my chagrin, Maya Alma Modist Temple, which used to have
a pretty good program and they went to a club team.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Right, So either you've got to be a club team
and not.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Take it serious, or if you take it serious, you
have a real team and then that belongs in its
own grouping.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
And softball can go with baseball because obviously seasons aligned, right,
whether it kind of aligns right.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Like what they need for success.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
They align right, similar sports, so you can put them
like you did with men's and women basketball baseball.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
You're not you're not paying them the same though. I
mean you can't because one generates more revenue than the other.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Yeah, I mean in that happens right now, right, like right,
like women's basketball is nil, but it's not to the
level of men's and true, yeah, so it's happening now.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
It's basketball is huge.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Uh it's bigger than softball, but it's just it's a
huge thing.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
But you're right, like you you have that tier, so
you could group those together.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You put them together.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
And again, I think what's important, Like we talked about
like certain sports, it's easier to travel because it's once
a week, but like there're sports that happened like baseball
and softball, you could play three four games in a week, right,
So we can't have that travel set up. We have
to be more strategic with it. Like we can't have
you know, a team from the East coast going out
west on a Tuesday, just not sustainable.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
It's too much money.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Uh So after that, so you got you got that
whole crew, right, you have all that going on now
what Now you have all the other sports golf, right,
because college golf is a pretty big deal, right, so
(12:05):
you my assumption would that's its own and all those
sports volleyball, golf can be in its own conference, though.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
They could, but it varies.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
I think it varies because again, travel becomes important. Like
sports are different, Like golf is a warm weather sport, right,
so like that doesn't always translate to you know, an
indoor sport.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
That is, it doesn't matter where you play it, right,
So I think you have to put that in perspective.
That's what I'm saying. We're getting into weeds of it
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
But similar, they can be skeed, you know, the divisions
can be similar, right, I think they're similar, but I
think you'd have to tweak how how the format is
and the scheduling of of certain sports.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
And seasons matter.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Too, right because yeah, fall, verse spring, all that comes
into play when you're breaking it down.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
But the o'rell arching model.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Is we have these sports that are driven by you know,
advertising dollars and TV dollars, but that doesn't mean these
other sports aren't as important, and we still need to
find ways to elevate them and try to make them maximize.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
That stage as well. That's all.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
That's basically my message is the sports that might not
be as popular, I still want to find a way
to elevate and make sure that we're getting them the
most attention is possible as well.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, I don't want to sound callous here about it
because I think it's important, but you're you got to
treat it like a business, right, Like in this interesting
question for somebody like you who runs everything and God
(13:51):
bless you, like you're so good at you know, trying
to make sure all the kids, every every athletic endeavor
works and you got the resources for for kids. I
think that's great and I think it's noble, but you
have to separate the other the other sports, so you
(14:13):
could treat them like a business and the other sports
like a collegiate endeavor.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Yeah, for sure, and just with that opportunity for it
to grow, because you never know what's going to happen, right,
I'm fine, Right, we just have to be open and
and you know, don't have something like this sport is
in this group.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
It's stuck here for life. Like we talk about the
teams like if you.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, like like wrestling is a big is a big deal.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Huge wrestling too that I'm saying, like it's those sports
that like, wrestling is huge, it's a huge deal.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
It's spread across the country, right, Like I was really good,
Penn State's really good. Yeah, you know, it's spread out.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
It's not to a certain region, right it obviously it
probably leans more east, but like, it's definitely a sport
that is great, and and it's growing with m m
A and these other sports. Professionally, it's growing because these
elite wrestlers are now having uh after the Olympics, there's
they're they're getting into the combat sports.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Oh right with MMA, sure an avenue for them.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
It's it's so interesting, man, I gotta tell you, I'm
fascinated by that. I and I you know, you get
all these people together in a room and it's it's
it's you know, it's it's a cool thing. I just
don't know how he's gonna he's gonna draw something up
to fix this in a week.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Oh yeah, I think that's completely unrealistic.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I mean, and forget about you know, fixing it, right,
but how do you draw something up that would would
even come close?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Because if I don't know about you, but reading.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
The story, now obviously we weren't in the room, but
reading the story, it felt like everybody was trying to
lean through pre nil days and go back and look,
I get an education matters.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
The problem is.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Once you go this far, I don't know how you
go you go back anywhere close to that.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Line, you can't. You can't.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
And again, we opened up Pandora's box. Right, we didn't
have the guidelines, right. We were all for these kids
getting paid, right, we wanted to be supported that, but
there needed to be guardrails and they just opened it
up and made it the wild West.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
So now you can't.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
We can't put everything back in the box. So it's
important that again, I think we continue to meet and
understand it opposed to just trying to fix it overnight,
because that's that's just impossible and it's unrealistic.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's uh. And again I and this will
be it because I want to get to the college.
I'll get to basketball and the tournament and I want
to kind of get into the conference tormats today and
whether or not they mad. And after yesterday, after last
week where we kind of went over the we went
over the the how to reimagine college football. I started
(17:12):
to think about the tournament and the and the NCAA
tournament and how you could add because they are talking
too adding and I want to get with that, uh
coming up shortly, but just to put a kind of
neat bow on it. If President Trump said to you, hey,
Danny d give me the three overarching things that needs
(17:38):
to be done so I can put in this bill
and get it through Congress, what would you do?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
That's a good question. I think again, there's gonna be
like three topics.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Right, yeah, so it has to be you know again,
I think we have to put parameters around it all.
I mean, we'll get me my get into it. Today,
Like certain states, like it's like NFL sports style, people
are finding loopholes where states.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Are saying we're not going to tax nil earnings.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
So certain states have a pretty big, you know, ten
fifteen percent advantage over other schools, right, just naturally, so
like there has to be overarching things that are universal
to the sport.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
So they have this fakes out.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, that's a big deal.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Like if you're not going to attach states aren't going
to tax that, it comes like it's crazy yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
And certain states don't already have it, and then other
states are saying, hey, we want to move towards it,
like Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
You know, there's there's something I saw that.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yeah, there's some momentum behind legislation that says, hey, we're
going to move away from state tax on. We'll make
it take tax exempt on an il money to give
our give our university an advantage. So again like things
like that. Now in professional sports that's a real thing
as well. But I think we need some universal rules
that apply. Like we talked about the transfer thing, that's
(18:58):
really important, right. I think that's one of my main
this free agency thing.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
We have to have some type.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Of parameters on it to find that balance. So that
would be my main focus right off the bat.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Okay, so the portal you want to get hit your
portal and eligibility would they be one.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Too, like I think the portal, And then my next
thing was gonna be length of eligibility, right, that's also important,
and then finding ways to kind of elevate them, you know,
the smaller schools so that they're not just getting Pilford
every every year. And we kind of talked about last
week and our idea was there should be some conversation.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Like dar I liked all I liked our ideas. I
thought ours we had the six year flat, six year
eligibility yep, which included all your transfers, all red shirts
like you're injured. So we we came up with six
years being being fair yep.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
And if you're trace for it up, that school which
has more means would then compensate the lower school. They
would get some type of conversation for taking you, and
then we don't want to hold anyone back. We want
them to continue to grow and go up, but we
also don't want the small schools just always getting, you know,
the short end of stick for believing in somebody.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Right, at least they get they get compensated, which will
help them in their league.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yes, we're gonna take quick to you. We'll come right back.
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Back, coming, coming, back. Maybe, Hey, a couple of things. One,
so let me ask you of the tour. There was
there was some talk about it, and I do believe
they're going to do this and expand the tournament. And
Coach k was vehemently against it. He said, you got gold,
(23:46):
you don't need to expand it. And MY initial reaction
was to agree with him. Right, My initial reaction was, yeah,
I mean, like, you know, it said sixty four, the
four plays making sixty eight, So the sixty eight at
the sixty four what do you do? Do you do
more playans? And I was like Eh. Then I started
(24:09):
to think about it, and I agree with you. I think, gohead,
expand it if you if you add twelve teams, say right,
because you got to go within in criminton four yep.
And you could then whack up the games and extend
(24:31):
Thursday Friday into Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday for the first round.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Yeah, I mean, that's all you're doing is adding on
that first week a couple of dates, which I love.
And this is and we'll get into it, but my
big thing is like these mid majors, right, like this Miami, Ohio,
if they don't win their conference tournament.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
People are talking about them not getting in.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I mean that's ridiculous. It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
So that you could go, you know, thirty and one
and losing your conference tournament and they're saying, well, that's
a bad conference.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
We're only gonna give them one.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
And basketball, it's it's like, not like every sport you
got a fighters chance.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Man, it's not.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
It's not football, right, it's not. You know, you guys
got to you gotta shot. Especially. You see that every
year in a tournament, and some of these conferences just
get overlooked.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And I think it's unfair.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
And that's why conferences are kind of trying to stack
their tournament so their best team is rewarded to get there.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Right, I mean, conferences are changing.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
You know, the Sun Belt did this Gauntlet tournament conference tournament.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
You think it's cool, the Gauntlet tournament.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
But wherever, what place you come into, where you you
finish in the standings, is the amount of buys you get, right, Like,
so it's about to get So what's funny.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
So the top team you came in.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
First one and two, go to the semi finals, boom.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Right automatically, and everything else is all bought. Everybody makes
a tournament too.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, so you're just playing.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
You're playing each other like everyone plays, and you have
to work your way up. So it's a it's a
pretty it's like a baby March madness where.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
You gotta work your way, but you're playing.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
So if you truly get hot, you deserve it, but
you were gonna pull you through the gauntlet to get there.
And it also ensures their best teams are set up
the best way right to to you know, get that bit,
because they know they're only going to get one and
if a team goes well in the tournament, it's good
for their conference. They don't want their team to go
there and just get spanked. So this way it kind
(26:30):
of ensures their better teams have the best opportunity and
then that way their conference is represented. And if you
win a game or two, that's tons of revenue for
your conference and it gives a different prestige and it
elevates you. So that's why it's important, and I understand
why teams are going that way now.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
So you know the idea that Miami l gets you show,
it's Miami oh one last night to go thirty one
to oh.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
They finished.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
The RedHawks finish their regular season thirty one and oh
they won in overtime in.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
The last four games and have been like overtime or
one by two. Right, they're impressed. They got the you know,
they got the aim. You know, everyone's got their aim
on them. They're getting them their best shot and they're surviving.
But what happens if they lose in their first round
of the conference tournament?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I mean, you can't go thirty one to oh and
not make the tour.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I agree they have to be I mean.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Bruce Pearl went out was talking about eleven team from
the SEC.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Are we serious?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
That's like, I know his kid coaches coaches the team,
but yeah, stop stop, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
No chance.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
And even they historically get one team, that's a good conference,
they're two teams, right, Like, but if you know, you
know at the top of a ten is a VC
used the two seed, and uh, who's the one seed
this year?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I'm trying to think, I know, Saint Joseph the three seed.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
But yeah, if that team loses, there's a good chance
they don't get in the tournament.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I mean that's insane.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
I mean that that would be That would be ridiculous.
All right, So let me ask you about these conference torments.
You mentioned the Gauntlet, right, so what do you think
tell me about you know that conference, these conference ornaments
still matter. You sent me, Uh we were texted, and
(28:29):
you sent me a thing about how you still believe
that these conference tournaments are important.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I do. I think they're important for a lot of
different reasons.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Right, we give everyone an opportunity, but we wouldn't they
wouldn't There wouldn't be such an emphasis on it if
we expanded the field like to eight, like you said, Adam,
twelve teams. I think that it alleviates some of the
the stress of these tournaments.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
But they're they're great for the conference. They create buzz.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
You know, it kind of gets everyone repped up for
what's to come next.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
And uh, it gives everyone, you know, a fighter's chance,
which I love.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
You know, we got to keep room for the underdogs,
and you know see how it all shakes out. And
but you know, everything in this field is you know,
they put so much value on these quad one wins.
But you know they these smaller schools also, which people
don't know, they struggle to get games sometimes there's a
good teams in these mid majors the low majors, the
bigger schools aren't going to play them. So you say
(29:25):
you don't have enough quad one wins. It's like they
can't schedule them because they're dangerous, so they don't want to.
The bigger teams don't want to.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Have a loss to admit to low major.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
But also for them, it's like, we can't schedule those games.
We can't get them.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Yeah, how we're supposed to, you know, make a name
and get in and then if we're you, we can't
get it. We can't get a schedule.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, And then that's not fair to them either.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
So that's why I think expansion is something that could
go over well. And again it would only affect that
first week.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
It's somebody tell me that the conference tournaments are on that.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Sorry, no, I disagree with that.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
It brings in some like these these conferences need revenue.
Their conference tournament bring in revenue.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You know, and it kind of.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
It's good for the game, you know, like what what's
the alternative? Just the top team for the regular season
goes to the tournament or we just stop it there.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I mean, that's what this is not.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
What I agree with you. I I like it.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I think it's a little baby, like you said, baby tournament,
and I think it's fun.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I think there's a listen.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Back in the day, you know, acc Big East tournaments
were unbelievable, man, Yeah, you know, legendary like those, those
were legendary moments, right of these schools like Yukon going
on a run in the Big East and they carrying
(30:53):
it over to the DNC Double A tournament and winning
the whole thing, like they got hot, they played, you know, played,
you got hot, you had a great week, and you
carried it over into the big dance.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
No, and the and usually teams that get hot then
they're going a little bit of run there, so they
start dancing a Y're in the sweet sixteen before you
know it, right, So I kind of like that momentum
because there is already a gap. So I woll they
just I don't know the alternative. Maybe it's just they
just pushed the you know games until you know.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
They get you just have a couple more regular yeah,
the couple regular season games.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
And people say, well, devalues the regular season, and I
mean I don't think it does. I mean, you know,
it's like the NBA where the regular season.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
You know, goes on all you know, another month and
a half.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, you know, I think again.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
And it gives college basketball in NCAA tournament. You know,
it's famous for the madness, right.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
This is that That's part of it, right, that's the
lure of it.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
This conference, these conference tournaments mean a lot to these
the schools.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You know, you know, you're not you're not done, ntil
you're done.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
You could have injuries and your season could be you know,
not what you think. But if you get hot in
the right time, man, it's it's it's a fun time.
So I love that part about college basketball, and I
think it's important to keep keep it at its core.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
All right, coming up, I want to shift back down
to youth and high school stuff, uh, particularly baseball. So
I had a dad said, he sent me an email
talking about reimagining sports. We reimagined college football. He said,
(32:41):
I want you to reimagine youth baseball because it's that
time of the year where kids are going to start
going into tournaments and it is ridiculous. I want to
lay this out to you. Okay, So we'll dive into
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D So, I get a note from one of our
listeners who is who really wanted us to reimagine youth baseball,
And I'm down with this because I've lived youth baseball.
(34:22):
Six you we started t ball, right, yeah, like we
started t ball, and I've coached it up almost every level, right,
now we're at thirteen U. All right, So what happens
is you go and you have your you play these tournaments,
(34:46):
and these are weekend tournaments where you can play, you know,
anywhere from guarantee three games up until like six to
sometimes eight games right over course of a weekend, depending
on the size. Oh man, Well, and it's and it's
completely ridiculous, right because you travel, you know, in my case,
(35:12):
I mean, you'll travel up to you know, across the
tri state area, right we're in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware,
so we'll travel across that. And then of course there's
these bigger tournaments that are national tournaments. We've been in
South Carolina, We've been to Pigeon Fork in Tennessee. There's
one in Florida. There's a great one in Ripken in
(35:36):
Maryland at the Ripkin Facility. So you have perfect game tournaments.
And I like all the PG stuff, and I like
all the stuff, but here's the thing. The tournament play
is antithetical to the sport because you burn kids' arms off.
You're burning you can't play multiple multiple games.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Not healthy to be out of the weekend.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
It's not good. It's not healthy.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
And then were these kids are growing, they're still developing.
We we've talked about before, like they don't know what.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Their body is yet and they're not a naturally not
going to have that the perfect motion are perfect slot.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
So they're just putting a lot of wear and tear.
And if you're making them play up to six.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Games and you know, three four day's, it's it's not
sustainable because a lot of these teams don't have the
arms like you know, use ball. I mean when I play,
we like two three pitchers max, right, And that's kind
of we kind of rolled with it. But yeah, especially
you know if someone you know don't have their stuff
that day, you're going to go back to the other kid.
And uh, it's not it's not it's not a sustainable operation,
(36:39):
especially for these kids if we want them to if
the you know, the main thing is for them to
grow and develop, and this is part of you know,
this is what they're here for. It is this use
ball to grow and you know, push your love of
the game and help them understand things. That's not sustainable
and that's not the way to go about.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
It, right, So if you play it, I guess it,
max would be six games right for unless there's I.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Think one weekend, because sometimes if you go to the
losers bracket, you gotta play more now.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, lose early on and you got it.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
All depends Some of them don't have losers brackets, some do,
and it depends on the size of the tournament. The
worst thing, dude, is when and this is what nobody
talks about, is that you get to the field by
eight o'clock, right, which means that we got an eight
am game, so we gotta get to the field by seven.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
We gotta hit, we gotta warm up right then, and
then you win and then you go.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
You're playing again at noon, right, so you're waiting around
a little bit, and you're playing again at three, and
you're playing again at six. It's a it's an all
day marathon. These kids lose focus and interest.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, agree, Like what.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Are we doing? Like these kids they're not even they're
now going through the motions. They're not even enjoy themselves.
Locked in.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
It's mentally too like it's just a it's too much
for anyone to be to expect it.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Can't play three games in the day, sometimes four, but
most of the time you're playing two to three games.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
On a Sunday. You can't play three games on a Sunday.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Yeah, no, I agree, I think they have to again.
And part of the reason they're doing this is it's
you know, it's a cash cow.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
So there's a money grab.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
You know, you're paying whatever it is, you know, six
thousand for uh A spring league, right, so every family's
got to pay you around six grand. And that includes
the entry feed, all the tournaments and everything else.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
I mean it's expensive.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Then you and then they have the goal to charge
parents to come in and watch the team, watch their
kids play.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
That that's the new you know that that's more recent,
but that's the that's the.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Model though, that's a the model to just shake parents
money out of.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
It's crazy, but that's how these they they've found a way.
They say, all right, we're going to charge you for
the tournament, but then also we're going to charge an
entry fee.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
And that is the I've seen it more and more.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
It's you know what I mean, like that basketball a lot.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
There's basketball events where you know you're paying au and
it's fifty dollars to come in for the day.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Say, oh, you have a you have to get a
day pass.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
Your kid might be playing one game that day day
pass like that.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
That's ridiculous, that's shameful, shameful. Yact like dact like it's
the it's it's the NBA. Like who's watching these kids
other than parents and family.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Now, it's a racket, and we've talked about it. Some
of the first is we need to invest in the
local community. And you know, these city leagues and these
county leagues need to be stronger where we can you know,
invest in them through you know, the local government or
local you know, city council. Because it's a racket out there,
and it's totally it's not fair.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
It's it's not right. It's not right that parents get
gowles this way. It's terrible. You want to President Trump
needs to get into into use sports.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Let's get a round table, me and round table with
President Trump and a gang.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
I love it. I love it, boy goes by face. Everybody,
thanks for hanging the fellas. Coming up next,
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