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May 16, 2026 40 mins

In a new episode of Project NIL with Anthony Gargano & William Penn Charter School Director of Athletics Danny DiBerardinis discuss the negative effect early game time starts are for youth athletes, how important finding the right fit for younger athletes is, they then discuss how the NFL has ultimately taken over the entire calendar for all sports & MORE!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Well, good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning. Happy
uh Fox Sports Saturday. This is Project ni L. We
have the esteemed athletic director Danny de Bernardinas from Pencharter
High School, where the allest high schools in the country,
just in Philadelphia. I'm Anthony Gargano of the Fellas. Every

(00:27):
week right here on Fox Sports Radio Project in aw
we we tap into everything that deals with name, image
and likeness and the role it plays in college football
and college sports, high school, and of course we dive
into youth sports here too. And it's interesting because I

(00:49):
had colle swip on the brain because it's the next
thing that we're going to discuss.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Good morning, Danny, d.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
What's going on? Cause how are we doing today?

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Brother? My man was at the PGA yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Oh yeah, great thing, great thing.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
You were at the PGA Championship. In fact, you did
a great report into my show right from the Greek
you were like edges from the course.

Speaker 5 (01:17):
Yeah, we were right on when we did the show yesterday,
we were right on the seventeenth, right off the green.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
It was awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
I've been to one other major before I did the
British Open a few years back when it was in
that Royal Troon in Scotland. But the PGA did such
a great job with the championship. The layout was great
at aronomic. It wasn't overly crowded. You could kind of
get to where you wanted to go. You could see
all the golfers. We saw everyone hit throughout the day.

(01:45):
It was such a cool experience. And with your ticket
it came with free food, so there.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Was just food stations, which was really really.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
Yeah, so like you know, cheeseburgers or chicken sandwiches or
hot dogs or you know, salads, ate everything, just any
type of food and snack you wanted it.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
So it was great. It was really cool.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
You got a good day too.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Keevity, it was a little windy. I guess the players
didn't like the quitla. Rory was crying about to set up.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
Yeah, you gotta be better, brother, you can't. You can't
take it out, you know, you gotta be better. We
saw some birdies, but overall it was a tough.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Day to score, I understand.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
But yeah, it was a great day and had a
phenomenal time with my friends and it was some really
good golf. It was really cool to see it that
close and just see how smooth and effortless all there
when they hit the ball.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
It's it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
They are.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
You know, people don't think they're great athletes because the
golf doesn't always get lumped into that.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
But they're phenomenal. They're really big time athletes.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Man, when you see them, when you see them strike,
it like striking the ball is everything, right, Like, so
when you see that happen and you see that ball strike,
you're just like, in't all is?

Speaker 3 (02:59):
It's It's wild, It really is.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
Yeah, it's effortless. They just hit it and just it
just flies off their club. It's yeah, such a cool
thing to watch.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, it really is. It really is. That's good stuff. Uh.
Planning to do today and I'm want to tap into
some uh some football stuff. This was schedule week in
the NFL, and it's amazing. I know, I I like
go way overboard and I don't know why, uh the

(03:32):
human nature of it, but I love it. I'm dissecting
the schedule and looking at it, and then they had
me looking at college and I want to kind of
look at the schedule because you know, we we get
into the schedule a lot, like you know in the NFL,
we're looking at it and all the standalone games, and

(03:53):
we see the expansion of games, right like especially during
the holiday. So Thanksgiving Eve is now there's now a game.
Of course, you have the triple head on Thanksgiving, you
have the Black Friday Game, you have the the Christmas Eve,

(04:15):
the triple header on Christmas Day. Now that the NFL
owns Christmas Day and booted the NBA, it's all it's
amazing the strategies, the Saturdays, the standalone games and what
they're doing. And you could see them just kind of
paving the way little by little for you know, picking

(04:35):
special weeks where they'll be football every night.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Yeah, they took over, man.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
I mean Christmas historically was you know the NBA's day.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
They had, you.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Know, the four games, and they dominated the ratings. And
then last year they came in and.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
To real quick.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I used to cover back in the day when the
when Michael Jordan was playing on Christmas Day, I would
cover the those games. That's because I was a young
reporter and you know I didn't have a family, right,
so they were like, you got it, you cover the game.
You had no problem that I would be in Chicago
for you know, for Christmas and covering those games.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
It was, you know, the NBA was it was like
they owned it.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I remember, you can't even imagine and then here's football,
just take it over.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
You wouldn't think anyone would step on the turf, but
they took it over, and uh, last year and the
ratings showed it.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
You know.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
N BEHA was kind of I felt a little arrogant
with it.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
They thought no one could step on their turf on
that day, and man, did they ever take over and it's.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
I was an eviction football get out.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
I know you love it. I'm happy for you too,
because I know you love I do.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
You can get I do.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
It was funny because I had a little, a little
spiritual debate, i'll call it. So I do Christmas Eve
every year with the family, and we do the Seven Fishes,
you know that we you know, we do this big
celebration and it's beautiful. There's like, you know, thirty people

(06:18):
in my house and kind OF's open all night, right
and people come and I'm cooking from I don't know,
you know, eleven am to eleven pm, right, like We're
just it's all day.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
And the Eagles are playing at night.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
And if your hometown team is playing, like you know,
I mean these games, you especially in this business, you have.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
To you know, you absorb them.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
You watch. We don't just watch casually. And even that
even fans like in this town, like it goes crazy
every NFL town the same thing. You're in Pittsburgh, you're
in Cleveland, you're in Buffalo or Kansas City. You're watching
this stuffwhere you're watching it and you know it's good
to ben right, like because the holidays are supposed to

(07:07):
be about being together, Like Cavity game Old is great
when it's your team, it kind of takes over the night.
And is that good on Christmas Eve when the kids
are looking for the Sandate tracker?

Speaker 3 (07:24):
I love that, you know, I mean that was great.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Members all Santa's in over Antarctica, right, like you know,
you'd have this all this stuff and you know you're
start to think, like, well that is that too much?
Now that that was my week of kind of debating it.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
No, not cool.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
I mean, Christmas is a special time of the year
ones together, but with this new release of the schedule,
it's I mean they're on Wednesdays then because a Wednesday
game now.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Right now, it's wild.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
It's pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
It's completely wild. I don't know how you feel about
it with your family when you're all again other you know,
I mean the family time is important, like this celebration
and it's it's an important thing. But anyway, to get
off the get off the big picture, I mean, to
get off the big subject of the of the awakening

(08:14):
I'll call it. We started to I started to dive
into and I think it's people love this stuff they
do now does fantasy football and gambling on some Yeah,
it thought that comes into play, that's a reality. But
as far as the home team, like you see it, man,

(08:36):
people just come together and they're in their homes. It's
it's just part of the American tradition.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yeah, sure, and sports brings people together.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
It's really cool to be with your family and regardless
of he's playing, you know, and the NBA, it was
great to have a game and for a lot of
you know, for a good stretch our hometown team was
on it. That won't happen for a while, I don't think.
But uh, football brings people to other man, it's really
cool and I'm excited for the expansion to see how
it grows. And yeah, just to have you know, bond

(09:08):
over a game, over a sport is such a cool
thing to do.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
It is you know, you see it, uh you know
local the U sports.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
It really has become the gathering place for for people
right like because you know, these fields are past. You know,
I'm out of the field every doubt, leaving here and
rushing to a field because that's where we're going to be.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
You know, we got a baseball tournament.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
You know, the fields of soccer tournaments in baseball, shooting
be football, and you know, all the parents and everybody's
there and this is where we live our lives.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
No doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
It's such a cool thing and people are you know,
the sports just keeps growing.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Man.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
We talked about this at our a D meeting this
week about you know, multi sport, which we want to
continue to emphasize it in our league, which is pretty interesting,
and we had some great meetings about it all just saying.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Like how oh really you're gonna do tell man, because
I think that's a that's a fascinating thing because we
you know, it's always kind of around we ski. We
talked about this something every once in a while, but
I'm curious what what was to take about from the ads.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Yeah, so we're in this league called the Interact, which
is one of the oldest leagues in the country, right,
I mean because the schools have been around since you know,
the eighteen hundreds, right, So we have multiple schools that
have been around for you know, hundreds of years, and
it's a really really cool thing. But we we try
to emphasize multi sport athletes. So we try to have seasons,

(10:39):
our seasons on overlap, which is tough with our you know,
a lot of a lot of sports with state associations,
they overlap. And we just kind of talked about who
we are and what we stand for. And there's a
big debate going on about off season workouts and how
often and frequently you can do them. Should we put
a time limit on it, because we didn't. We want
to encourage multi sport athletes. So we met with the

(11:01):
heads of schools this week and we really debated about
how who we are and how we go about things.
So we want to put parameters around things that continue
to allow us to encourage the multi sport athlete, and
even though in a world where specialization is such it
is so key, we want to be an outlier. We
want to put ourselves out there as a league that

(11:22):
stands for what we believe in and pushing that multi
sport athlete because it helps them develop and we need
it for our league because we're smaller schools, we're independent schools,
we're private schools. We don't have the numbers. So if
we want to have elite level talent across the board,
we need kids to play multiple sports and we truly
believe it's the best for their development and it's the

(11:42):
best for their growth as a person. So we're putting
parameters around our off season workout schedule and how frequent
you can do it and you know, the time limit
on it. We understand that people pay, you know, a
lot of money, so we want to give them access
to our facilities and we want to help them grow
so they don't.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Have to do stuff outside.

Speaker 5 (12:01):
But we also want to be strategic about it, so
we encourage kids.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
To do the most.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
And luckily for us at Penn Charter with our middle
school programs, they go from three to four every day,
so I'm limiting the time for off season workout from
three to four, so a kid can still hit his
workouts for his off season sport, but then can also
make another sport.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
So we started practice at four.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
So I put a rule in it says, hey, off
season workouts are going to be in that hour dead
period when middle school's going, and if you want to
work out during that period, it's great for off season stuff,
but we're going to emphasize the multi sport athlete, So
we put some parameters around that, and the league as
a whole is figuring out ways to continue to bog
down on that and be supportive of the multi sport athlete.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
So like in other words, if you got a kid
that's playing baseball and he's a football kid, so your
football workouts probably will start next week, right.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yeah, we're starting to like the weight room can be
after school or we put it on the weekends. Right, Like,
we'd be strategic about when we're offering those workouts because
we don't want a kid to feel like you want
to miss a practice time, right or you know, a
workout and get behind. So sometimes they'll say I'm not
going to play another sport because I don't want to
get behind, so we strategically put the times in so

(13:22):
they can emphasize on doing them both and as a league,
we want to stand behind that as well.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Well.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
It's interesting, do you uh, do you feel like does
sports need to compliment each other, like for a workout,
like you know, I guess football and wrestling or you know,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Basketball Is basketball go with? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (13:45):
Basketball can go with all of them, Like the track
and fields, it can go with you know, a spring sport,
it can go with you know, in the fall, it
could be football, depending.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
On what you really love and your passionate.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
Yeah, but our main thing is we're trying to really
push kids in the direction because we believe it's great
for the development overall as a person, right, not just
as an athlete. We believe, you know, being on differ teams,
going through different experiences is going to help you grow
as a person, and ultimately that's the goal, right Because
we always talk about in the show the people who

(14:16):
make it professionally or even high level division one or
one percent of the population and then one percent of
that make it professional. So we're trying to set them
up to give them things that will succeed much later
in life, not just for this instant today, right, So
we're really trying to emphasize that, and it was cool
to see the heads of schools also kind of double

(14:37):
down on it. So we're really putting some guidelines to
really help all these young men and women succeed in life.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
That's fantastic. I think that's great.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
What is it about the multi sport athlete that prepares them?

Speaker 3 (14:54):
What's the best thing about it? The attributes?

Speaker 5 (14:57):
Well, I think the wear and tel we see with
the specialization. Kids are always getting hurt. We've had guests
on talk about injuries, right, and they even said it's
important to do different things, get different motions. So, like
you talked about football and baseball, if you're a pitcher
or you play a position and you're always throwing, right,
it's a different movement. It's similar but different, right, So
you're building up different muscle memory to allow it grow,

(15:20):
but you're also giving your body and motions time to
rest because it's similar but different. So you're giving a
lot of structure and you're you know, you're really growing
physically but in different attributes and you're not just hammering
down the same motion for a year straight because your
body just gets beaten up. There's more, you know, there's
more acl injuries than ever. I see it in my field,

(15:40):
you know, I see it all the time. Kids tear
you know, muscles and parts of their body that at
a high rate that's never happened before. And a large
part of that is because I believe specialization. So we're
trying to give them places to really get stronger and better,
but also give their body a rest at the same time.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Are similar but different.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, it's my beef with fallball, right for kids, I
don't know why they just don't run the season through
the summer and just and get get rid of fall ball.
Fall ball is it's too much because you what, I'm
taking like a three week or four week break and

(16:22):
they come back at it and then you know, you're
going for another two months and change. And then these
kids are developing. And I saw it, they were developing
a little league elbow. I saw like eight kids had
a Little league elbow. Yeah, it's crazy, Like that's just
too much throwing.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
It is an And then we got to protect them, right,
we gotta protect them from themselves. And I believe besides,
you know, your body getting break. I think it's mentally
a big thing, right, mental health is huge, but I
think it's important to try something else, get yourself outside
your comfort zone, meet different kids.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
It's a social aspect. It goes down.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
It's a trickle down effect that touches so many things
that people just overlook it. Yeah, and it was cool
because a lot of people said the mean like we
know we're going against the grain here, but like who
are we and what do.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
We want to be? So like let's stand on this
and is.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
That part of your did you spearhead that? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (17:22):
I was the one that was speaking up for it,
Like I think off season workouts are important and if
people want to, you know, really hone in on sport
and we have these amazing facilities and we ask a
big price, but I think there's a way to be
strategic with it. And that was my big point is
like I want to encourage the multi sport athlete. I
also want to encourage kids to get better if they
want to put the work in. But let's be strategic

(17:44):
and let's think about this as a whole and find
ways to attack it. And that was my big message
is like let's be strategic with this, and let's let's again,
I'm really happy to stand on things that we believe in,
and let's be different, right, you don't always have to
go with everybody and you know, to do the popular thing.
Let's let's stand on if we think it were this
great league, Let's let's be the ones who step up

(18:05):
and have something different for the kids offer.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Do you think of impact recruiting?

Speaker 5 (18:13):
It could, it could, but I think it's going to
be for the benefit of people.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
I mean again, we are a great league.

Speaker 5 (18:19):
We are elite in a lot of different you know, sports,
and I think that part of it is we have
kids who are Division one lacrosse players playing football or
Division one football players playing baseball, right, Like, the thing
is important.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
To have a little bit of everything. And it's been
really cool.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
That's great, that's a that's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Strike one for the multi sport athlete, which is important
to me because I have kids that do multiple sports
and I believe in it. All Right, let's take a
quick too, a couple of things I want to do
a little bit of the high school football national schedule.
I was talking to the athletic director of the school

(18:59):
where my kid goes and he was talking about he
hired a new football coach and they're talking about trying
to play national schedule.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Something that you have done.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Do we see aday where we're gonna see high school
and even college kind of move their seasons a little
bit to be with the NFL. And you see what
the NFL does with scheduling. Can you see it on
a smaller version of college and an even smaller one

(19:31):
with high school?

Speaker 3 (19:32):
So dive into that.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
You gotta hit me with this House Rules Nebraska story
because Danny D I'm Matt Rule's co host.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Man, interesting stuff going on, brother.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
You gotta tell me. I don't even know. So you
guys saw that.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
I'm going Wait a second, that's my show, so I
want to hear about that as well.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Lots to get to.

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(21:14):
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Sports Radio in the iHeart app. All right, I want
to get into the schedule thing, but first you sent
me this really interesting nugget about House Rules, which is
Matt Rules podcast at Nebraska. Now Nebraska was in the

(21:36):
news with the football program with NIL this week, Davy D.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Yeah, man, it's interesting.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
People are still trying to evolve and you know, navigate
this new landscape and people are getting creative with it, right.
And Nebraska had a couple of deals denied by the
third party for you know, like branding and stuff for
their student athletes through the which is the third party.
You know, if you want to do stuff in the collective,
you have to get it approved and you have to try.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
To justify it.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
So they had some issues and they pivoted. They said, well,
our coach has this podcast and we're going to monetize
it and advertise on it, and we're going to you know,
lift up our student athletes through it. This is a
different entity. This isn't just our coach. So they use
the podcast to try to you know, advertise for their

(22:27):
students and find ways to get them an anil through
it is a pretty brilliant idea. And you know it's
your show that you're you co host. So you are
now part of the NIL world, Anthony, And I'm sure
you might not have known it, but you are now
at cog in this wheel.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
And I always wonder when we're going to start up again.
They are like season two. One of the producers said
to me, hey, you know, we'll probably be doing season
two pretty soon. We'll start it, you know. I guess
I don't know. At some point pretty soon we're supposed
to kick it off again.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Yeah, you said.

Speaker 5 (23:04):
You guys have like over thirteen thousand subscribers weekly on
YouTube and there, and you know, you're the views growing
and it's transforming into had opportunities to bring another streams
for athletic department and they can flip that to help
their nil and help their student athletes.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
So you're in it, mother, you are in it.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Well, listen, I don't know why more coaches don't do
the podcasts. You know, Like it used to be like
you would do the coaches radio show, right, the coach
would have our week. His obligation was to do a
radio show, and you would do it at the local

(23:49):
whatever the local watering hole was, right, some local bar restaurant.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
The coach goes for an hour. H you have a
co host.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
I've done a million of MI do Andy Reed I did?
I mean, Howie Roseman had one. I've done a million
coaches shows, a lot of time of them the bags.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
I mean, I can tell.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
You they'd show the callings right on the radio. They
would call it right.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Like we would call it we do call ins.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
But in reality, the coach would come and like this
is always the thing, right, the coach would come, we
do it. We talk for ten minutes, and then like
you would open up to some calls and then really
and then the coach sometimes now Andy didn't Andy state,
but there was a lot of guys that would bolt

(24:35):
right like they would come for like thirty minutes, supposed
to be an our show. They'd come for thirty and
then they both and they go, you got this well
t show, Like you know, they don't want to hear
from me, they would hear from you. But whatever, man,
I got yeah, just tell them, man they ask you
about this, just say that, like all right.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
But people, I think Nebraska is pretty is ahead of
the game here that they're finding ways to tie it in.
And you know, the head coach is now part of
the media, right, it's part of the you know this
content machine. And it says like, you know, it's no
longer about boosters paying players. You know, programs are finding
ways to monetize everything.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
So it can be their coach. It could be a podcast, it.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
Can be documentaries, it can be behind the scenes clips.
What you're really growing, the social clips are growing, so
finding ways to monetize this stuff to really grow their
collective and grow this pot so they.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
Can you know, continue to compete.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
And Nebraska probably doesn't have the biggest NIL budget, so
they're getting creative with it and saying, hey, Matt, you
and Anthony have this great podcast that is really growing.
Let's find ways to help it help our program, right,
Let's find ways to monetize it. Let's find ways to
advertise and you know, talk about our student athletes and
find ways to also pay them, which is pretty interesting.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
So yeah, they're a head of the game.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
I think it's just the first domino, and I think
you guys are on the forefront of how this is
changing in the landscape.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
You know.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Well, I do think it makes sense, listen.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I think it makes sense from not just a business
standpoint and then il business standpoint, but I always thought
it was good for the coach to do it and
give a window into his life, right, Like, you know,
people love that stuff, you know, I think it builds trust,
it humanizes the coach that you know, he's just not

(26:30):
some figurehead on the sidelines every Saturday. I think it
brings light to the person and I think that's important.
You know, I'm sorry. One of the things, do you
remember the draft during COVID, the NFL draft or COVID.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Yeah, they did it virtually, right, But do.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
You remember like the guy set ups one of the
interesting byproducts of that, which was, like Belichick said, the
kitchen table, which I freaking loved, right, yeah, and he's.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
In his office, you know kitchen right right, stuff gets
domb brother.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yes, I'm a big kitchen table fan. I love the
kitchen tables. Oh did the kitchen table? Uh? But it
gave him a window and the other homes and I thought,
Pete and that of the all the all the horribleness
about you know, you know, being virtual with everything, because

(27:28):
I don't believe in being virtual. But the only good
thing was it was you were You saw a window
into who they are, you like, you humanized them.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Yeah. I love that. No, that was really cool.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
Got to see you a little bit, you know, behind
the scenes, and you know who they are as people,
which is really cool. And what I think about this
nil thing is also you know me and you've talked
about it, you know with with the podcast saying like
this gives the athletes a platform as well, right, this,
this can help them grow and their brand grow by
Matt maybe including them or talking about them, and you know,

(28:01):
getting guys on there and really can advertise and show
who they are as people, right and show them a
different world. So I think as a recruiting tool, it's like, Hey,
not only am I going to get you in the
right spot in the field, I'm going to get you
on a national stage here, and I'm going to get
you out there, and I'm going to tell your story
and you can tell your story because maybe this is
your career after football, right, Like, I think there's a

(28:22):
lot of different things that it offers and can entice
kids to want to be a part of it.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Right And you and Man had to do a great job
talking about football, but.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
You have a huge platform, Man, And I think it's
really enticing the kids and their family be like, hey.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
We're gonna we're gonna put them out there nationally.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
We're not just going to have them, you know people
in Nebraska, We're gonna have them all over their country
and we're going to humanize them, right, We're going to
show them, We're going to.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
Tell their story, which is really cool and.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
I think it's a great aspect that you know they're
tapping into in Nebraska, and yeah, you're going to be
a part of it, which.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Is such a cool thing.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Well, you know the other the other thing that you
touched on which I'm a big believer in. So you
talked about behind the scenes docs documentaries and stories and
doing uh these you know these documentaries, the all the

(29:17):
all these docu shows that we see sports docu docu
shows every because it's easier to produce. Everybody's producing content
for social media. Well, now you could produce it. You
don't need to be a Hollywood studio, you don't need
to be the production company that is producing big time

(29:42):
you know film and television. But you got a university
that deals with it. You could produce your own content,
and you could do your own deals with Amazon and
Netflix and Hulu and you know paramount plots.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
You could do your own deals with this stuff for sure.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
And what they're realizing and what the streaming services are
realizing is people will pay. They want access, right, they
want personality, They want authenticity. They want behind the scenes
stuff like they you know, inside the building content or.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
Yeah, so like we could do this at a college level.
I think it might even get down to high school. Right,
we can show people of peak behind the scenes.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
They eat it up. And there's a lot of money
in that.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
And again they're trying to monetize as much as they
can because they have these big bills.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
They're playing these kids some serious money.

Speaker 5 (30:36):
So like they have to get creative and how they
continue to raise money because we talked about donor fatigue
and you know, people I donate this year, like you
need it every year. So they got to think outside
the box.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
And people want to pay to see this stuff.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
And it is a cool aspect as long as you
know you're doing everything above board and people can you
can you know, show behind the curtain.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah it is uh, you know, it's amazing that the
amount of content that it's now being produced, right, Like
it's how much do you absorb during the day? Right?

Speaker 3 (31:13):
God?

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yeah, I mean these kids are constantly on their phones.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Right, you know, but listen, you know everybody's got shows,
everybody's got podcasts. You know, it's it's nuts right to
be able to watch all this stuff and then you
gotta you know, you want to clip them and send
them out, and you know, and and the fight for
eyeballs is it's just incredible. But it's there, like if

(31:40):
you break through, you got it, you got something.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
And also like the college coach role is changing, right,
people don't want to think about it. I mean I
always tell people coaches are CEOs. I've always said that
at the high school level, because this is your program,
you run it. But now it's more literal where it's
like you are a brand. You are you know, you
can't just kind of be this guy that wants to
stay behind the scenes. It's not the job anymore. You

(32:05):
have to be front facing. You have to be recruiting
year round.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
You know what's funny about that, all the big time
college and NFL coach or you know, pro coaches because
it happens in basketball too, who romanticized high school Like
Larry Brown.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Do you remember Larry Brown? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Legend right, yeah, legendary coach Larry Brown. I wrote a
Law magazine story on Larry one time, and he's like,
you know what my dream is. My dream is to
coach high school. I want to coach Lower Marrion where
Kobe went he goes. I want to coach Lower Marion
and I want to just teach the game. And you know,

(32:48):
and back then, this was in the early two thousands,
like the Ohs romantic and it's just about the game
and everything else.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
Coach, not anymore, not anymore high school level. You are
the brand.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
Noting there, you're recruiting, you're doing the same things you're
doing in college or even more.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
You know, it's it's wild.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
And yeah, I mean our coach, my boys basketball coach,
does a great job of it. He's on does a
great job on social media, and he's you know, he's
relentless going to events and being out there. But he's
very front facing and he does a great job at it.
And he understands the game has changed. You know, you
can't just you can't just show. You can't just show
up and coach those days.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
It's not just about practice. Like you know, Larry love Well,
coaches love practice talking about practice, and we love it
right exactly. You love practice, but it goes beyond practice
now man. You know, well, uh we'll come right back,
and uh, I do want to hit you with this
because it kind of bleeds into this schedule, Like, could

(33:52):
you see a world where you're looking for an opening
your high school, you're college, and do you take the
month of August and do you own the month of
August for football? Right, It's gonna work it, all of it.
So I want your feedback on that. We got tons

(34:15):
to go. Just one more segment. It goes by so
fast every week. It's Project Nil Danny, the Bernardinas, I'm
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am game this morning.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Oh we have two.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
I'm gonna miss part of the first game because we
do the Fellas after this one, danvy D and there's
Yes and UF filled in at times. There's nothing worse
than the eight am baseball game. Why do they do
an eight am baseball game?

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (35:16):
That's wild.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
It's horrible. Kids, aren't. You shouldn't be playing baseball at
eight am.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
You shouldn't.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
I'm with you.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
I don't. I don't think it makes much sense. And
you know, the kid they gotta warm up, they gotta
get going, you know, like eight am. It doesn't benefit anyone.
I understand people are trying to maximize the day.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
And yeah, you want to get games in, all right,
but start at ten, dude, start at eight stupid.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Now, I'm stupid.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
I'm with you, brother.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
It's not just because you know, listen, I don't care.
I'm up anyway, but it's just you know, the kids
are half sleep. It's it's just dumb. We do the
dumbest things in youth sports. I swear to God. At
one point, I just want to clear it all up.
It's stupid, the stupid things that we do. Why are
kids playing folltball? Explain that to me, Ad.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yeah, I'm not a fan of it. I don't support it.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
I mean, I get it, right, you want to specialize,
but again, like we talked about earlier today, but not at.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Ten, right, Like you want to play fallball in sixteen?

Speaker 2 (36:21):
You all right? I get it, but not at ten
years old. Yeah, no, for sure, Yeah, these kids can't
be playing. But first of all, you burn the kid
out of ten, like you know, you know, once you
hit thirteen, you're on the big field and you know
this becomes your life and your passion.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Yeah, I'm in, but not up until that.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
Yeah, it doesn't make much much sense to me. Again,
I'm a big advocate of you know.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
As you just given it a break. I've been straded
by your meat ad meeting.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
Yeah. I think it's really important for their growth.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
And again it's too much of a business. It's more
of a business than ever it only it really grew
to this year round stuff when the money was involved.
It's not about the kids development. And it's a business
and people are chasing it, and everyone thinks they're going
to get this, you know, multimillion dollar an al deal
and they're all chasing that. And then these trainers and
leagues are chasing it as well. They're finding ways to

(37:19):
make money. And interesting enough, I sent you an Instagram
story from a previous player at Penn Charter. This kid,
Jake West, who's at Northwestern and he could have went
different schools, and he said the fit is what's most important, like,
don't chase the name. He went to Northwestern, got on
the floor as a freshmen, proved himself, and he stayed

(37:41):
there and didn't really take an il to go there.
But now he crushed it and now he got the
money and he gets to start right. So he said,
like for him, it wasn't just chasing the big name
and chasing a little bit more money long like think
long term.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
Me and you've talked about all the time. Fit.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
Fit's important, and in today's world, you can you know,
people always just chase that. You know, it might be
fifty thousand dollars more, but they might not get on
the floor for two years or get him the field
for two years. He went to a place that fit
what he wanted academically, what he wanted in the school
and knew he could get on the court also, and
it was a great job by him and he and

(38:18):
he said, the biggest problem today is people chase the
name or a little bit more money opposed to thinking about.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
It long term. So he went out and said this
on social media.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
I'm really proud of him because that's the message that
we've been cool all year on this on this show,
you know.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah, it's not just about the bag.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
Right, yep, don't chase the bag right away. Think this
is a this is a marathon, it's not a sprint.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Brother, and I like the messaging about the fit because
every every place, it's true, like you find your place,
your own fit. Every kid fits differently wherever you are,
right Like, you know, even though he may have been
able to play at you know, another big tam at school,
highest state of Michigan or whatever, it doesn't matter, like

(39:03):
that was his best fit.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Like that, that's what's most important.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
And credit to his parents for you know, in him,
for thinking long term opposed to just the you know,
instant gratification and the biggest possible name so they could
post on social media.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
He said, Look, I went for fit and it worked
out for me.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, that's great. Do you see I just want to
quickly and we could touch on this all the time,
but do you see a world where high school college
start to use the month of August as real estate?

Speaker 5 (39:33):
Unfortunately, yes, I don't know if high school because of
the way the seasons and state associations are, but definitely
college they're gonna move it up more money, they need it.
They need more revenue. Their budgets are huge, getting crush.
They need to find ways off set it. So I
believe college will be the first domino.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
And it makes sense to start it because you could
keep it to yourself. You're already like, yeah, that week
zero is there and NFL is not. The NFL is
gonna go more back.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
At Yeah for sure, I agree.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Right, So the NFL goes more towards March, whereas you
have August, and it kind of fits. To be honest
with you, NODDI, you're gonna have to start July training camp.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
Yeah for sure. I won't see how that works, but
I believe that's what's next.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
All right, that's gonna do it for us.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Thanks for hagging as always, Project damn Yo, stay tuned,
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