Steve Hartman and Rich Ohrnberger talk realignment and NFL!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:26):
see if Rich is okay, because I know, I know
he was up at two am this morning to watch
that Women's World Cup match against Sweden, and you know,
to sit through one hundred and twenty minutes of nothing
and then watch the US get eliminated from the World
Cup on penalty kicks, you gotta be a little groggy
right now, Rich, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yep, you nailed it. That is exactly why I'm groggy.
It had nothing to do with rooting for my favorite boxer,
Jake Paul taking on an MMA fighter in a boxing
competition last night.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
On paper.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, that's a thirty eight year old MMA fighter making
his boxing debut.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
But go ahead, I'm retired making his boxing debut and
let me let me tell you so I did not
watch the women's national team. Shockingly, now, I did watch, though,
the Jake Paul fight, and our society has had a
gat a weird direction because that is going to obviously
gross the promotions companies that that put on the fight

(01:29):
a lot of money, and and those two names are
are obviously carry waiting ideas in the MMA world, Jake
Paul in the social media world because he's a great
troll in our time now.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
But that was that was a sweaty pillow fight.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
That was one of the worst boxing events, or I
shouldn't even say boxing events, because some of the undercards
were actually pretty good. But that was the worst title
fight or whatever you want to call it, prize match,
whatever it is, exhibition I've ever watched in my entire life.
It had no juice. Nat Diez does not know how

(02:09):
to box. He Jake Paul barely knows how to box.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
It was it was a laugher from no juice finish.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
All right. So I was going to bring this up
later in the show, but let's go with this right now.
Because you and I are both fans of the sweet science.
We're boxing fans, and I have been a boxing fan
my entire life. The fact that this it's it's not
even a fight. And I will say, first of all,

(02:39):
as far as Jake Paul's concerned, Okay, he's twenty six,
he's athletic, he is you know, he trains as a fighter.
I don't have any qualms with that. Here's the problem
that we have. I mean, this is an effort by
the Paul brothers and they're well on their way to
be billionaires by the time they're thirty, okay, and that's

(03:01):
their goal. And you know, when you start off as
YouTubers and everything else and get to this level where
they generate that kind of interest, as you say, going
against a nadist who had never had a professional fight
in his life. Even as an MMA fighter, his record
was twenty two and thirteen. It wasn'tlike he was, you know,
one of the all time legends.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well, and yet he's a legendary MMA fighter.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
But here's the deal. His game is not striking. His
game is right, he is one of the greatest jiu
jitsu players on the planets. Well, he's going to submit.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
You, okay. So now, of course Jake Paul has agreed, apparently,
and then apparently they're expecting to sell out Cowboys Stadium
for an MMA match. Yeah, and Jake Paul was making
I mean, it really is sort of the state of
where we are right now. But the fact that we

(03:54):
have come from a boxing standpoint, I'm not talking about MMA,
forget that, just boxing. That this match garnered more attention
than a battle of undefeated fighters for the welterweight championship. Yep,
this fight had more attention than the recent matchup of

(04:17):
undefeated fighters for a unified welterweight championship. I mean it
is very sad. There was an era, as you know, Rich,
where I was in Vegas literally every month covering some
of the greatest fighters from a Sugar Shane Mosley, Oscar
de la Hoya, I mean, go down the list, Manny
pack Al, Floyd May, with all the greats of that era.

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And this is what the sport has been reduced to.
I mean, it really is a sad state of affairs,
but it also is a reflection of the times. This
is where we are right now, and this is why
when we sit here and we're covering the sports world
and we're trying to obviously hit on whatever is hot.
The fact that you would open with your watching a

(04:58):
Jake Paul is relevant to the fact that that's what's hot. Yep,
that's that's what people are watching, even if it really
has zero connection to the world of boxing that you
and I appreciate, none, zero.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
This was you know what.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
The next big event obviously is Elon Musk versus Zuckerberg.
They're gonna get They're gonna do some kind of MMA event. Yeah,
and and in fact, Dana White said it's gonna be
the most watched fight of all time. They are expecting
to literally earn hundreds of millions of dollars, which by

(05:40):
the way, they're they're gonna donate to our military, which
is great, But that's what people want to see. They're
not they're not worried about the best in MMA. They're
not really worried about the best in boxing. But boy,
if we could get Muskin and Zuckerberg together that now
we're watching, we changed.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, times have change.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
We've reached the point where that's where the juice is,
that's where the interest is in the fight game. And
I think I think Dana White has done a good
job with UFC of branding and leaning into really loud,
bombastic fighters like like Connor McGregor and Ronda Rousey, like

(06:26):
the trash talking reached a fever pitch. I would say
with both of them, on both the men's side and
the women's side, I think that Jake Paul and Logan
Paul both when they were both boxing, Logan Paul's more
in the wrestling world now, but when they were both fighting,
they did an amazing job of this. They they basically
took what Don King did for his fighters, and took

(06:50):
what Connor McGregor did for himself as a UFC fighter,
and they they turned themselves in from YouTube stole, from
social media relevant stars to people who well, frankly, now
the world in certain cases they know them as athletes.
They know them as ww superstars or or a boxer.

(07:14):
I mean, that's the way they're being regarded now, and
that's Look, I'm fine with it, because everybody's got to
have a gimmick, you know, and everybody's got to bring
some bread home to the dinner table at night.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
And however you do that as long as.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Nobody's getting hurt, at least unwillingly in the case of
the fight game, who cares, Because that's how the world works.
And if people are paying tickets to go see you fight,
then great, But what I watched last night.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Was was barely a fight.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Nate Diaz was in good enough shape to walk down
Jake Paul all night long. He did not have a
great deal of boxing training, and Jake Paul was just
basically able to weather the storm of Nate Diaz leaning
on him a lot. And so what is it an
interesting fight?

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:02):
I guess because there's that interesting factor of seeing a
former UFC MMA great take on this YouTube boxer phenom.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
But the fight itself stunk. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Well, by the way, the Musk Zuckerberg match actually has
its own Wikipedia page. Oh wow, Yeah, you can go
on Wikipedia Elon Musk versus Mark Zuckerberg as a proposed
cage match between business magnets Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg.
That's a Wikipedia page.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
So the the combative world of the ring or the
cage has changed dramatically. The octagon, I mean, there's so
many different venues that it's just sad to me. It
really is, because when you get a Crawford Spence fight
and undefeated Walter Waite's getting together. I mean, there were
hardcore boxing fans I mean, Crawford, arguably right now might

(08:57):
be the best pound for a pound fighter out there.
And I knew he beat Spence because he just a
harder hitter, but he got almost no attention outside of
the die hard boxing whereas this fight so called fight
got all the attention, headlines and everything else. So it
is a very different world, all right. So we got
a lot to do today. Obviously, we got the Hall

(09:20):
of Fame game behind us. We got this endless three
weeks coming up of preseason football games, which is not good. However,
we're only three weeks away from the start of the
college football season. Week zero. Huge landscape changes in college
football we're gonna get to. But first, on the other side,
we're gonna check in on a little Major League of

(09:40):
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gonna be joined shortly by John Paul Morosi, our Fox
Sports Radio MLB Insider. Now, speaking of fights, the best

(11:15):
fight was yesterday between the Guardians and the White Sox.
Now here's the thing. If you're Tim Anderson, Yeah, who
really was the one that you know, got himself set
to fight first, Like, apparently Anderson has been pulling some Shenanigans,
and Jose Ramirez thought that Anderson was going to sort

(11:37):
of help him up. I mean, we're talking about Jose
Ramirez here, We're talking about one of the best players
in baseball for quite a while. Tim Anderson has been
an All Star himself. But instead of helping Ramirez up,
Anderson decided to square up with him. Let's hear the
call from the Guardians standpoint.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
And another hustle double right over the bag at first.
Now Hoosey and Anderson square off.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
They're fighting.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
They're swinging.

Speaker 6 (12:10):
Down Goes Anderson, down goes Anderson. Ramirez went in with
a head first slide. Hosey never gets upset about anything.
They came up chewing. Anderson squared off Hosey dectum. It's

(12:32):
a five to one Chicago lead. But everybody from the
dugouts and the Bullpence congregated around second base. You never
see Jose Ramirez get upset like that.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Oh he got upset, and he delivered a right cross
to the chin of Anderson. Dow goes Anderson, dow goes Anderson.
That was a good call, excellent call.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
It was an excellent call.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
I was the best call of the because later on
there was not that kind.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Of action at the Paul ds fight.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
No, that was good action and Ramirez delivered. That was
right on the button. All right, joining us right now
to give us this perspective on what transpired in that
matchup between the Guardians and the White Sox and everything
else baseball is our Fox Sports Radio MLB insider John
Paul Morosi JP. What was interesting to me is is
that when Anderson sort of set up, the umpires backed off,

(13:29):
they almost look like they were encouraging some kind of
fisticuffs on the field. What's the fallout? What's the take
on what happened in this matchup between Jose Ramirez and
Tim Anderson.

Speaker 7 (13:40):
We first takeaway is that we would see this a
handful of times every week in the NHL and not
really make much of a fuss over it.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah. Right.

Speaker 7 (13:51):
It just talks about the difference in culture between the sports.
A couple of things. Number One, I don't believe that
in any way there was a premeditated you know, hey,
let's let this fight unfold on the part of the
second base Umpliyer. I think rather it's just a case
of we don't see this very often in baseball, and

(14:11):
I think if you're in a context where you're not
expecting to see a fight and one breaks out, your
first instinct is usually just to kind of get the
heck away from it. I think that's probably what happened there,
but I was surprised that it escalated to the extent
that it did. You don't rarely, I mean, you really

(14:31):
rarely see something like that happened in a baseball game. Again,
it happens all the time in hockey. You get five
minute major penalty for fighting, and then you get back
in the game and that's the end of that. There's
not really much the carryover typically when a fight happens
like that, especially when it's two combatants, if you will,
who are engaged and there's not a third person in

(14:52):
there that's taking a cheap shots. That's about as much
of a one on one fight as you're ever going
to see in baseball. And again, MLB is going to
take a look at this. We've seen if you look
at past precedent, it wouldn't surprise me if there's a
seven or eight game suspension coming for for Anderson in particular.
But it's really a very interesting thing to look at

(15:15):
and just discuss how we handle fights in baseball, because
typically you would see it's a charging of the mound
or something like that, but it's that is a very
very rare entrance to any sort of fight that you
would see in Major League Baseball.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, no doubt about it.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
A JP.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Speaking of fights, we got the rivalry between the Padres
and Dodgers all weekend long one to one series. Right now,
they're going to play four down in San Diego. These
are two teams that have had very different starts to
the season. I think a lot of people are underwhelmed
by the Dodgers offseason and may be pleasantly surprised that
they're in first in then on West right now. Meanwhile,

(15:54):
the Padres had an exciting offseason acquisitions and they really
bummed their fans out playing wildly under expectations. But since
the trade deadline in a little bit beforehand, showing some fight,
what do you make of this rivalry and what do
you make of then L West right now? With the
Padres still clinging onto hopes to make a wild card Berth.

Speaker 7 (16:16):
Yeah, a few things. First and foremost, am I gonna
see you guys in the game in a while. You're
gonna come down?

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Are you gonna be there?

Speaker 7 (16:23):
I'm gonna be at the game, all right, all right.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, I'll make every effort to be there. I didn't
know you were going. That's fantastic.

Speaker 7 (16:28):
Okay, yeah, it's been I should have let you guys
know further in advance. You know that the trade deadline
has been occupying my thoughts for a while. But yes,
that is our MLB Network showcase game. I'm very excited about.
It's a very unique time. So it's it's four Eastern,
as you know, one Pacific because it's the wrap around
game of a four game set between the Dodgers and Podres. Yes,

(16:50):
I'll be at Petco tomorrow. I've been dialed in. It's
certainly a big win for the Padres last night. You know,
San Diego, they still have a chance of this thing,
and I know at least making a wild card. Berth. Certainly,
for me, the concern over Musgrove is there though obviously
back on the injured list, but last night to me
is a microcosm of why this team is still dangerous.

(17:12):
They were losing until late. They score seven runs in
the eighth inning. Machada was right in the middle of it.
When Machado plays like an MVP, this team can hang
with anybody in baseball. And when he has an ordinary year,
which is what his numbers have been for most of
the season, they're just an okay team. And that's basically
how I feel about the Padres. That if you look

(17:34):
at the record that the Padres have when in games
in which Machado drives in a run, they are well
above five hundred and they would be a playoff team
if that happened on a more consistent basis. And that's
just how important is because the second half of their lineup,
now that they've made some different moves, I think that
it was a good pick up to bring in g

(17:55):
Manchoy and Gary Sanchez has had a bit of a
career renaissance with the Padres. Hasan Kim has been one
of the most important players all season long. They're still
a good team, and they ended up keeping Snell and
Hater at the deadline, So I think tonight's game is
going to be fascinating. You've got Rich Hill making his
Padres debut against his longtime team there in Los Angeles.

(18:17):
It's certainly the Dodgers are the better team, There's no
doubt about that. I think Freddie Freeman is, with all
respect to Ronald the Couna junior, is probably still the
front runner for the NL MVP. Just look at Freddy's numbers.
He's been unbelievable.

Speaker 8 (18:32):
Again.

Speaker 7 (18:33):
He's going to the Hall of Fame because of his
consistency and everything that he's done. But the Dodgers, they are,
they are the model of consistency, and yet I still
have some questions about their rotation. Their bullpen has been
for the most part pretty good. Obviously last night was
a bit of an outlier. I just I think the Padres.
I look at this club and what they've done at

(18:54):
the deadline, and for all the talk about aj Preller
and questions about it, if he's gonna move Sodo, he didn't.
I think that was the right call. And now the Padres,
I think are very much a part of what is
a wide open wildcard in the National League.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
The problem for the Padres, who have the best ERA
in the majors, they're dead last in the majors in
batting average, with runners and scoring position. That's how you
could have the best era in the majors and still
have a losing record. All right, So last Saturday, Rich
and I were telling you there's no way, no how
that the Angels can trade show Hey Atani. It would
be an absolute freaking pr nightmare. Since the trade deadline

(19:33):
on Tuesday, the Angels are zero to five and quickly
evaporating from the wildcard chase in the American League. Now
we asked you about you know where ultimately sho Hey
Otani is going to end up. You're still leaning heavily
to the Dodgers. So where does this really leave the
Angels Because I'm looking at their schedule coming up. They

(19:55):
got a six game roady against the Astros and the Rangers.
That's a disaster. I mean this seas he's in completely
fall apart on the Angels. Where does this organization go
If they end up obviously getting nothing for Otani, he
leaves what's left?

Speaker 7 (20:13):
Well, that's a great question, and I still think that
in the context of what was going on the Angels,
I understand why they kept them. I also recognize them
from a baseball operation standpoint, it would have probably been
the more logical baseball operations moved to maximize their assets,
so to speak, and to make the trade with him

(20:35):
obviously at the trade deadline. But I appreciate why they didn't.
I appreciate that they wanted to put on a good
show for their fans down the stretch this season, and
that their best chance, that their most important outcome as
an organization would be to find a way to keep
showing Otani beyond the end of this year, and the
only way they could do that was by making the
playoffs and by proving to him that they've got a

(20:56):
good ball club. Now that has not quite to your point,
the her to five record. The Mariners have won three
in a row against them, and they've now passed them
by the Angels have fallen back into fourth place in
the American League West. There's there's not a ton in
terms of superstar ability left in this lineup right now,

(21:18):
at least as long as Rendon and Shrouder on the
injured list, that they really rely a ton on showing.
Now they've got some younger players coming. Zach Netto I
think has played really well. Of course, everything that he's done,
I've been pretty impressible with him a shortstop. Mickey Moniac
has found new life for this organization. Matt Feist buying

(21:39):
the plate is I think he's got a chance to
be the catcher of the future. So that they've got
a good team, they really do. But their problem now
is that without show A, you've got other teams in
your division that are better. The Rangers every day lineup
is better. I think the Astros every day lineup is better,
and the Mariners, for all their flaws, they're probably better

(22:00):
team right now too. So they've got without show A,
they've got the makings of a five hundred team, which
is basically what they've been when they've been at their
best with Showy. So it is it's a tough time, guys.
There's their rotation I think is solid, not spectacular. They've
really pushed a lot of younger prospects, Chase Silset is

(22:22):
one of them through the minor leagues very quickly, and
they've they've shown that they can handle things at the
major league level. But this is not a difference making
special division winning team, not with show A and certainly
not without show Hey.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
I want to, you know, put our focus on the
East Coast. Also because the New York Mets just had
an unbelievable collapse of a season that led to a
trade deadline where they were shipping off stars to bring
in some young, bright stars for the future. But the Mets,
they may not be good again until next season potentially,

(22:57):
but really twenty five to twenty six seems to be
with owner Steve Cohen is looking at now measure the
level of disappointment with Mets fans because I don't know. Look,
I grew up in New York, I grew up around
Mets fans. I know that there is usually low expectations
for this team because the franchise hasn't been able to

(23:18):
get out of its way in a long time. But
this was a huge commitment from Cohen, huge payroll, and
they rolled into the season and just couldn't get the
job done. What's the level of disappointment from that fan
base this year?

Speaker 7 (23:32):
Rich? I would say this, it is one of the
most profoundly disappointing seasons in the history of Major League Baseball.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Wow what it is?

Speaker 7 (23:43):
Because let's just go with the obvious top line statement,
this is the most expensive team in the history of
the game. Opening day payroll is there has never been
a team more expensive than this one ever in the
history of Major League Baseball, and they have a losing
record right now. That's just it's unconscionable that it's happened

(24:06):
this way, that in the span of three days they
traded two future Hall of Fame pitchers and sent away
nearly ninety million dollars in cash to facilitate that. It
is hard to believe. It is really hard to believe.
I think, even on their brightest days, Mets fans, the

(24:27):
Mets fans in my life, and I've been blessed to
have many of them, tend to often wonder where the
storm calrds, where the storm storm clouds are On a
beautiful day in San Diego, for example, there's gotta be
rain coming somewhere, somewhere there's rain, and that's that's kind
of Even when Mets fans are happy, that's what they see.

(24:48):
And so you can only imagine rich. You know, if
you've got a Mets fan in your life, please call
them today and offered a little bit of love because
they need it. Right now. There's there's a lot, there's
a lot of concern, a lot of bewilderment. There's a
general belief that Steve Cohen will keep investing in the
team until he has a winner. And that's great. That's

(25:12):
a wonderful thing to have as an ambition for your team.
But we have to realize that, especially in baseball over
the Big one sixty two, you cannot buy culture. You can't.
You have to have some level of development from within.
There are the exceptions to that rule in general, but

(25:35):
you look around the history of the game and teams
that not just winning one championship but doing it multiple years,
year after year after year. There's almost always a homegrown
quality to what you're doing, and if not originally drafting players,
bringing them in when they're young, and raising them in
your culture, and the Mets are seeing right now, guys.

(26:00):
The folly in that thinking is that when you bring
in nothing but expensive veteran players who are around forty
years old, it's you lose the depth of your organization.
And they haven't even signed their one guy internally, Pete
Alonso is not even sign long term, so they've got
more work to do. My friends, it is going to

(26:20):
be a tough tough time in Flushing Queens for the
foreseeable future.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
All right, Well, JP you're going to see Rich tomorrow.
I have been permanently banned from PECO because I did
move back up to the Los Angeles area, and so yeah, yeah, okay,
I was banned, and you know the I understand it.
I would have to pay double just to get a
regular ticket Tobacco if I were to see out there.

(26:45):
But Rich'll be out there in full force. Enjoy the game,
JP or the absolute best. We'll do it again next week.
Thanks so much.

Speaker 7 (26:52):
Sounds good, gentlemen. I'll be fully prepared. But we'll chat
a little. And now this is the other great thing.
Now that the Big ten was from sea to Shining Sea,
we'll be able to talk about I mean, you're in
the heart of Big ten country, our friends up in Seattle,
in the heart of Big ten country, East Brunswick, New Jersey,
College Park, Maryland. You're all part of the family, my friends.

Speaker 6 (27:13):
I love it. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, well, we'll be talking about those Michigan UCLA matchups
in the future.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
There.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
He is the great John Palmer ROSI are Fox Sports
Radio MLB insider. So you're gonna have to see him
Rich without me, obviously, Yeah, I got it.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
I have been banned. I certainly will never see that
press box again. That who is Fartia. Let's be honest,
it was, and a lot of dogs I ate up there,
a lot of dogs over the years. Let's find out
what it's trending right now. Some of that has an
open door anywhere she goes, and that would be Mansey Belano.
So Mansi, you're the kind of person is so respected

(27:47):
in this business. Just a hint that you might be
interested in attending a sporting event at any venue in
this country and the door swings wide open.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
You know.

Speaker 8 (27:58):
I'd like to think that, but I familiarly have to
catch up to all the venues you two have probably
been to.

Speaker 9 (28:03):
Also, if you have to pay double, you can afford it.
You can go.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
It's true, it's Papa Steve Afford.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Anything. You could do it.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
You know, in theory, I could exactly that. In reality,
it's a much different story.

Speaker 9 (28:17):
You said you had a lot of hot dogs.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
At pet coc you know, So here was the deal.
So Rich and I would go to Paco up in
the press.

Speaker 9 (28:22):
Box talked about food.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, and the only reason, honestly we would go to
the press, especially before they started spending all this money.
I mean there was crickets. I mean, there was nobody
at pack up, but they have outstanding press box hot
dogs okay, so good, really good. I mean steamed buns
and the you know, the rotisseri and the dogs. And
the key though was the chili. Oh so they had

(28:47):
chili that I could sort of you know a mai.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
They did it the right.

Speaker 8 (28:51):
Way, which why.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
But the problem was then here you go, Steve, I'll
sure the shutdown, you know, with the COVID they stopped
serving chili in the breast box.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
The COVID took our chili was the worst part of
the pandemic.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Arguably, that's so rude.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
And I just but the last time I went, which
was last season, go on, I did have the chili.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Oh yeah, okay, So here's the way, you know, you're
dealing with good hot what is it? So like Normally
a chili can be a little bit looser, you know
what I mean, Like it can be not soupy. You
never want soupy chili, but like you know, they're they're
the texture of the consistency can be a little bit

(29:35):
more loose. Yes, with hot dog chili, it's gotta be tight, yeah,
it'd be like you're spackling that hot dog.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Right, It's like it's almost like mustard in the sense
of it spreads all right, right.

Speaker 9 (29:47):
I hear that. I understand that.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
And then it doesn't soak your bun. You got yourself
a good layer. Like that's the kind of chili they
had in the press box, and it was it was
some of the best days of our life.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, it really was. And then of course you get
to get the nachos, right, yeah, right, yeah, So we
did a lot of damage there.

Speaker 9 (30:05):
I'm super boring.

Speaker 8 (30:06):
I was just at the Dodger game and I had
two veggie dogs with nothing on them.

Speaker 9 (30:10):
Nothing. Wow, just playing just so you.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Know, I less well, I'm not mad. I feel so
sad right now.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
I had a Glizzie in my mouth.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Thank you, Rob you.

Speaker 8 (30:23):
Oh that's so funny. Well, let's talk about baseball. It's
gonna be a fun end of the season here, guys.
The White Sox and the Guardians going at it.

Speaker 9 (30:31):
Not like last night.

Speaker 8 (30:33):
The Guardians have just taken the lead. They were down.
It is now Cleveland up three to two. They're hosting
the White Sox bottom of the six inning. Cleveland is
three and a half games behind Minnesota for the top
spot in the ALE Central.

Speaker 9 (30:44):
There's seven and a half.

Speaker 8 (30:45):
Games out of the final wild card spot in the AL,
so they're definitely trying to get in there.

Speaker 9 (30:50):
Race.

Speaker 8 (30:50):
Starter Tyler glassnow has been scratched from today's game they're
taking on the Tigers. Apparently he had back spasms happening
last night, so they've taken him out.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (30:59):
The women's national team has been eliminated from the World
Cup in the round of sixteen, losing to Sweden five
to four in a penalty shootout after extra time finished scoreless.
This is the earliest exit from the US team in
Women's World Cup history. Defender Julie Ertz announced her retirement
from international soccer following this heartbreaking loss. This is according
to ESPN. Alex Morgan says she's not planning to hang

(31:22):
up her boots anytime soon, so good news there. And
the Buffalo Bills have activated defensive tackle Jordan Phillips off
the physically unable to perform lists.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
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don't have to worry about the rest of the show.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
So here, here, here, here.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Here's the bottom line. I remember years ago when the
women lost the World Cup to Japan. It was a
big upset. See if I remember what year that was,
that was that was in let's see here. It was up, up, up,
up about twenty eleven, and I remember it was a

(32:30):
huge upset at the time. Japan, by the way, now
is a force, but it was a huge upset at
the time. And I was critical of the women, saying
that you know, wow, I mean, that's a choke job.
There's no way you lose that final to Japan. And
I was hammered, like you like, you can't be critical

(32:54):
of women losing in sports, And I'm like, what the
hell are you talking about? If this was like the
undefeated Patriots losing to the Giants in the Super Bowl.
The Patriots are raked over the coals for that loss.
Oh yeah, how do you lose to an inferior team?
They got skewed. What's the difference? There is no difference,

(33:19):
and there should be no difference. So let's call what
happened today and really in this World Cup for what
it is. It was a catastrophe for Team US today.
They'd never finished lower than third in any other World
Cup and they go out in the round of sixteen
and played miserable throughout this tournament. I mean, I mean,

(33:40):
I'm not going to sugarcoat this. Call it for what
it is.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
And by the way, Mega Repino was on than one
of our great players. She's like laughing she had a
penalty kick. Anyone came down a penalty kick today she
airmailed it. I mean it wasn't even close. Well, look
if she's laughing as she's walking off the field, I'm like,
can you imagine, you know, like someone laughing on the
field after failing in the clutch like that. I'm sorry,

(34:07):
I call it for what it is. It was a
catastrophe for Team US.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Say well, I mean, listen, I I've dealt with failure
my whole life. And sometimes sometimes the way it expresses
itself within you, and obviously you're not always completely in
control as your in control of your emotions. Sometimes it
expresses itself as laughter, like because really the the emotion

(34:36):
you're feeling is astonishment. And sometimes when you're playing so poorly,
and then also not only are you playing so poorly,
but as a team you're playing so poorly, you're you're
you're almost it's almost funny, like in a sick, dark way,
like it's almost like this is I mean, if I
don't laugh, I'll cry because this is astonishing how bad

(34:59):
we're And that's I think the emotion that was being
portrayed there. And and and to say that the women's
national team shouldn't be criticized the way men's sports should be,
I agree with you. I think that's very silly because
obviously the search for quality continues in women's sports, you know,

(35:22):
by comparison to men's sports, and so we don't need
to go further down that rabbit hole. But yeah, they
they played poorly. They deserve criticism. And I'm sure if
you go and listen to any of the interviews coming
out of that locker room after that loss and knowing
that they're going home from the World Cup. I'm sure
every last one of them will tell you the same thing.

(35:44):
They didn't show up for this one, and that's that's
unfortunately an embarrassment for the team, and and they're gonna
have to put the pieces back together over these years
now waiting for the next World Cup.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
We're bad losers when we when we have something that
we have a grasp of men's basketball in the Olympics,
like we owned the sport, we created the sport, we
invented the sport, and we lose. No, no, not acceptable.
So back to square one. As far as our women's

(36:18):
national soccer team coming up on the other side, the
Hall of Fame game has come and gone. So what
exactly do we do over the next three weeks as
far as the NFL is concerned the future of preseason football.
This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harvey, Rich Harberger, Fox
Sports Sunday. We are live from the tire rack dot

(36:41):
Com studios. So Rich, I sat down on Thursday. I've
been in Arizona for a couple of days, got back
in time to settle in to watch the Hall of
Fame game matchup between the Jets and the Browns, and
you know me, I'm into the Hall of Fame. So
I don't know if you got to see any of
the speeches yesterday. I thought, overall, considering how many you know,

(37:02):
inductees there were, there were nine, little too many. But
I thought the speeches by and large were good. But
you know, the game itself, there was a bunch of
nobody's on the field, and you know, it's you know, like, okay,
I'm seeing live NFL action, right, I'm ready for the season.
And then I look at the calendar and I realize

(37:23):
that opening game between the Chiefs and the Lions is
still more than a month away. Like pre season football.
I mean, the Hall of Fame games one thing. But
now we got three full weeks pre season football. At

(37:46):
least the last week we'll have week zero of the
college football season. We don't have a lot of great matchups,
but at least it'll be I don't know, games that
mean something. How much long are we going to put
up with this charade of preseason football? I mean, it
just it just it seems so archaic. We want something
of substance. The idea of having these empty football games.

(38:09):
They have zero bearing on anything. Passing them off is
some kind of you know, NFL treat kidding me, Yeah,
can we just eliminate this garbage?

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Well, you know what was actually interesting I realized it
about myself is I, as a former player, have made
the transition to fan because I was legitimately excited that
the NFL was back, and I was excited to see
real football being played for the first time, and I
had to retrain my brain that what I'm watching right
now is not real football. That a large majority of

(38:43):
these gentlemen out there on the football field, they're probably
going to be selling insurance or you know, going back
home and working a different job because football at this
level isn't for them, or you know, going to the
XFL or the USFL. You know. The point, the point
being is, yeah, we're still miles from home here for

(39:03):
the regular season, and yeah, we're we're looking at something
that that is kind of.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Obsolete at this point.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
We know from the pandemic that without training camp the
product can look very similar to the same as it
does without training camp. These guys stay in shape all
year round. Nobody needs to play in shape. If you
had a week of practice for each thirty two teams
and then you had a season. You would still have

(39:33):
the NFL. And that is that is the sad truth
of what we go through for this month.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Well again, risk reward, Yeah, and there's that time. I
mean risk reward, there's no reward. Look at it when
when you look at rosters of NFL teams, I got
news for people out there. Injuries can change the dynamic.
Obviously you have injuries. You got to replace guys. But

(39:58):
mostly there may be at at the most a handful
of roster spots that are actually up for grabs. At
the most rosters have already been determined, salaries are being paid.
So but the risk way out performs the reward in

(40:18):
these preseason games because anybody that plays in a game
could get hurt.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
So I just it literally makes no sense why we
are still subject to this.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
All right?

Speaker 2 (40:28):
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I want to go back to win you and I
got a tour of the new football stadium in San Diego.

(41:58):
This Snapdragon, this is the home of San Diego State football,
And this was before the stadium actually opened, and it
was right after the announcement that USC and UCLA were
bolting for the Big Ten. And one of the people
that we were doing this tour with is JD. Wicker,
longtime athletic director at San Diego stated, dear friend of ours.

(42:22):
So as our tour was ending, I was walking with
j D and I asked him about the possibility. At
the time, I thought the probability of San Diego State
leaving the Mountain West Conference to join the PAC twelve
with the vacancies created by the departure of USC and UCLA.

(42:44):
And he looked at me and said, well, first of all,
you're assuming there's even going to be a conference.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
Now.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
That was a long time ago. And as it turned out,
he's absolutely right, because the PAC twelve is about to
become the Pack zero, or we're going to see a
merger of the PAC twelve. What remains of it the
four Stanford col Washington State, Oregon State, with what's in
the Mountain West Conference and some other schools. But when

(43:14):
I think about someone as myself, rich that literally has
grown up with this conference, you know, my entire life
to see it collapse on Friday as it did. Completely.
Collapse is a shock to the system and not completely unexpected.

(43:35):
Cleifcough is getting obviously a lot of heat, but his predecessor,
Larry Scott is really the culprit behind the collapse. You
remember that the PAC ten could have been the PAC
sixteen back in the day. He had Texas, he had Texas,
A and they were all ready to come. But he
didn't want to concede to the Longhorn rig you know network,
you know, and just some catastrophic decisions have led to

(43:58):
the death of a conference that's been in existence for
more than a hundred years. But I guess I have
to take a step back and just say we sort
of predicted this, right, Like we've been talking about the
evolution of what has been and what will be, and
this was the latest jolt to the college sports scene.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Well, look, just because something is very old and have
been done for a very long time and baked into
the traditions doesn't mean that it's right, you know. And
I mean there's plenty of examples, positive or negative, over
the course of history that proves that point.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
You know, I was saying this yesterday Steve.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
If somebody just all of a sudden parachuted in to
the United States of America and they had no previous
idea of how college football was supposed to be, you know,
so they have any of the nostalgia that we all have.
They have none of the romance or connection to the rivalry.

(45:07):
Is they're just looking at Okay, you have college football?
Does this make sense? Is the question you ask them.
They would start looking at the conferences and realize, well,
none of these conferences really have the same number of teams,
and some of them have an odd number of teams,
and what's the playoff structure look like? Wait a second,
what exactly do conference championships get you? Wait a second,

(45:29):
why why aren't there playoffs inside of these conferences? There
would be more questions than answers, is my point. College
football is a mess, and the only reason why we're
accepting of it is because it's been a mess, and
it's been this way for a long time. It doesn't
mean it's a good system, though. It's not like the
fact that prior to having this ridiculous four game show

(45:52):
pony playoff system that we have now, we just guessed
who was the national champion is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
No other sport does it that way.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
The fact that we now have what seems better but
is still a farcical comedy of a playoff bracket with
only four teams invited every year to find out who's
the best in college football, we still don't know who's
the best. So my point is this, Yes, you're right,
this conference that's been standing for a century plus and

(46:25):
these teams and these rivalries and these baked in traditions
that we're all so used to, that's going to feel
odd and different and maybe even sad seeing.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
The PAC twelve fall.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
However, my sincere hope is whatever picture we end up
getting left with, whether it's like a three super conference
system or it's a two super conference system, I'm just
hoping it makes more sense because that's gonna make college
football even more interesting if you make a better postseason

(46:57):
out of college football.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
All right, speaking of the post season, Rich, So, the
format for the twelve team playoff, which will begin in
twenty twenty four, was this, with the idea that you
had five power conferences, right, and then the group of five.
So you have five power conferences, group of five, So
it would be the sixth highest ranked conference champions in

(47:20):
other words, the Power five conference champions, and then one,
you know, the top ranked group of five champion to
get at least one of those teams in, and then
you have six at large bids. Well, we don't have
five power conferences anymore now, we only have four, So
you're down to the ACC, Big twelve, SEC, and the
Big Ten. The reconfiguration of what's left of the Pac

(47:44):
twelve plus the Mountain West plus other schools essentially will
be the AAC of the West. So there's the ACC,
and then there's the AAC, which by the way, lost
a number of teams to the Big twelve starting this year.
That is not a power at all. So the idea

(48:05):
that the AAC and whatever reconfiguration of what's left in
the West would each get a slot in the playoff
that can't happen. No no, no, no, no no, not at
the expense of the better teams out there. In fact,
I would dare say, now if I were the organizers
of this playoff, I would ignore any school that is

(48:32):
not included now in the Big twelve, the ACC, the
Big Ten, and the SEC. I'd say, screw it, We're
going to get our four conference champions, they will get
the buys and then all eight eight at large bids
are going to come out of those four conferences. Why
are we playing around with us?

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Why?

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Why are these schools even consider when we know they're
not on the same level? Why are they included in
the conversation? Eliminate them?

Speaker 3 (48:58):
But hang on a second, Hang on a second. But
we do see some of those schools in the Group
of five coming out of the Mountwest or the MAC
or otherwise fighting their way into the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah, and how that going Cincinnati, that undefeated CINCINNTA they
got I get rilled.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
I get it, But you know what, it makes it
more interesting to me. Now we made differ an opinion here,
But I like the part of the reason why I
like March madness is not because we're getting to see UNC, Duke,
UCLA hoops, and Michigan State every year in the final four.
Sometimes there's the Cinderella, and I think that's really cool.

(49:39):
I think it's kind of fun seeing a little chaos
baked into college basketball because the regular season, look, it's
very difficult obviously, with you know, three hundred plus teams
to keep your eye on every corner of the United
States state. So the regular season most of the time,
if you're watching college basketball, it's just a big marquee

(50:00):
game that you know that you're being told is important
based on the power rankings in the sport. But unless
you have a team, you're really not following the regular season.
Come March Madness, all of a sudden, things start clarifying.
The picture starts getting a little clearer. You start understanding like, oh,
this team had a really good year, but they've been
down for about a decade. Oh, this team came out

(50:22):
of absolute nowhere. Oh this is one of the traditional powers,
like you know every year. I just mentioned four of
them that are going to be standing somewhere close to
the top when this thing ends. But who knows, maybe
there's upsets. I dig that, and that's what I want
for college football as well. I want to see sometime
an expansion of this current idea of twelve teams. I
want to see it to be I wanted to be

(50:43):
more than that. I wanted to be a representative amount
compared to the amount of schools are actually vying for
a championship. In college basketball, you have a field of
sixty eight that's whittled to one. But again, as I mentioned,
you have over three hundred teams that you're pulling from.
If you had it all one hundred twenty plus college
football teams vying for a national championship, I think you

(51:07):
should have a bracket of at least thirty two teams.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (51:13):
All right? You and I are on a very different page,
and we talked about this any time.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
How much fun would that be?

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Okay, here's an.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Think about this, think about the bracketology college football. Steve
would be all we would.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Talk about for one seed versus a thirty two seed.
I mean, okay, okay, but that's fine. But again, the
inclusion of a lot of these schools is not necessary.
They have no chance none. They might pull one miraculous upset.
But you know, the difference between the haves and have

(51:46):
nots in college football is way more pronounced than it
is in college basketball. I agree with you, way different.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
I definitely agree with you.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
I'm not saying it would happen as often where you
would see Cinderella's her as often in college football than
college basketball.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
However, I will say this.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
When it's single elimination, When it's single elimination, anything can happen. No,
a star player can get injured, a turnover in the
kicking game, a defender falls down defending a deep pass,
and it was just a close game before that. Because
they played down to competition. Anything in single elimination can happen.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Now.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
I'm not saying we're gonna see something like air Force
beat Alabama for the national title.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Or how about Iowa State or Iowa beating Alabama, or
even that Iowa.

Speaker 10 (52:37):
Sam wants to jump in for a second here, Yes, Sam,
Iowa almost got to the playoff in twenty fifteen. They
were in line and.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
They had a late season class well.

Speaker 10 (52:47):
Then they lost by a few points to Michigan State.
Then they went on to play Alabama get drilled thirty five.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Nothing.

Speaker 10 (52:53):
I agree with Richie or Steve. I think you got
to at least give people the opportunity. Even if your
TCU is going to go up against a Georgia and
that's a Power five program. They got drilled, what sixty
five to seven, But it's still for even the smaller
steel schools. You got to give them the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
To drop off between the power schools and the next
recruiting though.

Speaker 10 (53:12):
You can recruit players, you can build a culture, and
you can. Yeah, because here's the thing, and I.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Say, the state state of Oklahoma, never forget the selling
point on the four school playoff was going to get
more teams on opportunity to win a national championship. I
said from day one, it's only going to make the
power schools more powerful because they're going to get more exposure,
which is exactly what happened. Okay, Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State
got I'M more powerful championship for over forty years.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
However, how they're in power again.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
I mean, look the the that's because they're on the
the sec same thing with that LST.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
The wheels of time turn and certain teams that are
at the top, they end up at the bottom and
vice versa. And and my point is this with name,
image and likeness in college, for the fact that you
now can have a strong interested alumni base elevate a
football or basketball program by dumping money into those programs

(54:10):
and getting better recruits means to me that all of
a sudden, the little guy has a little bit more
of a chance at breaking through. So I mean, you're
not seeing it yet because We've just scratched a surface
on name, image and likeness. But give this, give it
to twenty twenty five, Give this to twenty twenty seven.
Especially in college basketball's playoff, when we get to March Madness,

(54:34):
you're gonna start seeing some of these schools that used
to be out of nowhere become traditional powers because they're
able to recruit like the big boys are. They're able
to start spending some of that money on bringing recruits in.
Because look, as much as everybody wants to go to
Duke or UNC or UCLA or Michigan State or some
of these other powers around the country Kentucky, and they

(54:55):
want to be treated lavishly in the locker rooms. You
know what also talks money. So if you're gonna go
and play at one of these smaller schools, but you're
gonna bring home a couple of five hundred thousand dollars
a year to help your family out or to help
you out to set yourself up for the rest of
your life, man, you might consider going to that little school.

(55:18):
So I'm telling you, I think name, image and likeness,
on top of everything else. We just talked about the
re scrambling of the Jets, and college football. It's gonna
open this thing wide open.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
But what we are seeing with the Big Ten now
up to eighteen schools, they're gobbling up everybody. The bigger
conferences are getting bigger, which is making it the middle
class has been eliminated. But you could the rich the
begetting richer, which is why USC, in a desperate effort
to get back to relativity in terms of national championships

(55:50):
in college football, has jumped on the money in the
Big Ten. The more money you have, the more money
you can hand out and name, image and likeness.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Saying like Rutgers is in the Big Ten, pit is
in the ACC, Vanderbilts in the SEC.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Like there are bad teams in these conferences.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah Nebraska is a bad team.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Yeah Nebraska Northwestern Like they're I mean, they've been got
to stay bad, but oh yeah, now they are. But
the point I'm trying to make is like it's it's
also look, there's quality issues. You always want to try
to the first ones through the door need to be quality.
So USC ucla huge media market and a traditional power
in college football. With the Trojans, you bring them in Okay, Oregon, Washington,

(56:34):
like some of these teams obviously have been relevant for
many years prior to their induction to this new car
or to their their induction to the conference. But when
you think about it, these other teams, these these these
teams in the MAC or the UH or in the
Mountain West or you know, you're going to have to
absorb some of them too, because guess what, once you

(56:57):
get done with the cream of the crop, there's gonna
be battle over the rest of them. I really feel
like that's where this is trending, all these teams, and
maybe it's gonna be the top half of these group
of five conferences. You're not gonna see maybe New Mexico
get absorbed immediately or at all, but some of the
Boise States or the Fresno States or the San Diego

(57:19):
States of the world, I could see them getting absorbed
by the Big twelve or the Big ten as they
make West coast expansion. I could see that happening all right.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Well, on the other side, we'll get a little deeper
into this. There's also one very unexplained aspect of this
twelve school playoff. We'll explain. This is Fox Sports Sunday
Steve Harvey, Rich Ronberg or Fox Sports. Sunday, we are
live from the entire IRAQ dot com studios talking about
the ever changing landscape of college sports and certainly a

(57:52):
bombshell on Friday with a complete disintegration of the PAC twelve.
We mentioned now with only four power conferences, they may
want to reformat the college Football Playoff, which will expand
to twelve schools starting in twenty twenty four. Still unexplained
to me, and they've made it clear this is the case.

(58:13):
So you could have a regular season in which Notre
Dame post a perfect twelve to zero record is number
one in the country, the top four power conference champions
all have a loss, and Notre Dame has no chance

(58:34):
of being in the top four seats. The highest seed
they can be is a five. No matter what they're ranking,
no matter what their record, they can never get a
first round by because they will be held down exclusively
by the four highest ranked conference champions.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
And why is that, Steve.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Money. The reason why is because the networks are going
to make so much more money off of the Big
Ten cumulatively then they will off of Notre Dame that
they are not going to be afraid to I guess
in this case we would call it penalize Notre Dame
for being independent, because if they're not interested in strengthening

(59:18):
one of these power conferences, well then they're going to
have to, unfortunately at best, play for fifth place in
the seeding. Assuming like you were just pointing out that
these other conference champions don't have more than I would
assume one loss, but it would matter if they're conference champions.

(59:39):
They could be a two loss conference champion, it doesn't matter.
They're going to be ahead of Notre Dame. So them's
the breaks, because again, nobody's hiding anymore.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Deon Sanders said it perfect.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
He was interviewed about the Colorado bailing on the Back
twelve going to the Big twelve, and he goes, yeah.
He was like, the same teams are complaining about this,
they're about to leave two. He was like, I mean,
this is about money. Everybody knows what this is about.
And he's one hundred percent right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
All right, let me tell them for a second.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
It doesn't matter what's fair. It's just what makes these
conferences and these networks the most money.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Okay, So the numbers that we are thrown out, for instance,
So the way this all came down on Friday, Kleakov
came in with this Apple plus deal that we get
each school about twenty million dollars a year, I mean
just alone for Washington and Oregon. Immediately bolting the Big Ten.
Even though they're not gonna they're gonna get half of

(01:00:36):
what they'll get down the road, it was still in
excess of thirty million dollars. Correct, that's their they're buying fee.
So let's talk about Notre Dame for a second here.
So Notre Dame has a couple of years left in
their contract and they got what at the time was
a sweetheart deal of twenty six million annually. Well, twenty
six million annually puts them at the low end now

(01:00:58):
when you look at some of the money being thrown
around in the Big Ten and the sec. So they
think that Notre Dame, when this current deal ends with NBC,
could get a deal in which they get sixty million
per who to be on par of what the Big
Ten is going to be handing out. The Michigan's, Ohio
State's USC's out there, but they're not guaranteeing it's going

(01:01:20):
to go to NBC. So let me ask you this.
You're a television executive and you are thrown the opportunity
to pick up Notre Dame football at the price tag
of sixty million per year? Are you interested at sixty mil?

(01:01:40):
That's what they're looking for to put them on par
with what the top schools are getting in the Big
Ten deal.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Here's my thought process with all of this is you
got to look where the leverage is. Does Notre Dame
have more leverage than any of these teams in the
Big Ten terms of bargaining power?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Do they?

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
I mean, does Notre Dame have any more bargaining power
than any of these teams in the SEC?

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
They think they do. Obviously they're expecting sixty million in
their next deal.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Well, I'm telling you that may be possible, right, it
may be. But I really do feel as the Big
Ten and the SEC continue to add better and bigger programs,
and they have both of them obviously with Oklahoma and
Texas joining the SEC and what we've seen the Big
Ten do out West Western expansion, I believe fullheartedly that

(01:02:40):
when the Big Ten and the SEC go back and
renegotiate their contracts after this ten years, they're gonna blow
the doors off of any independent can get, even one
is with a built in audience like Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
I agree with you, and so again, if they're not
afforded that kind of money, that really puts them. Not
only are are they getting penalized because of their independent
status in terms of the playoff, but they're also going
to get penalized in terms of the money coming in.
I mean, this was the selling point of Notre Dame
was they were bringing in more money than any individual school.

(01:03:14):
They're not even close.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Strength to numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
So I mean, listen, you may have an overwhelming like
if we're gonna put this in war terms military terms,
you may have a better prepared army, But if I
have more lesser prepared combatants than you do, I can
still win the war because it doesn't necessarily matters who's

(01:03:38):
the best or who's the strongest. Sometimes more is what matters.
Sometimes it's just overwhelming. Think about the product that the
Big ten has to sell at this point to any network.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Who wants to do business with them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
They have usc they have UCLA, they have Oregon, they
have Washington. They have the entire northern United States covered
basically ordered to border east to west, and some of
the biggest teams in this country play in that conference.
In terms of success, especially recent success. I mean, they
have tradition, they have recency, they have everything going in

(01:04:14):
their favor. Notre Dame, don't get me wrong, has had
its moments over this past decade. Notre Dame has been
a traditional power in college football. I'm not throwing any
shade at Notre Dame, but what I'm saying is as
great as they can be individually with the Big Ten
or the ACC potentially or the SEC even who knows

(01:04:36):
is trying to do, is trying to make it so
that it's an offer they can no longer refuse, because,
as you point it out, they may be vying for
fifth place at best every year and also getting less
money in their television deals. Eventually, a school president, an
athletic director, a wealthy enough alumni, whatever, a booster who's
been supporting the program for years may say something like,

(01:05:00):
you know what, you guys need to change something, otherwise
we're going to turn off the spickett in terms of
sending boatloads of cash into the program, and as a result,
they'll end up cow towing and joining one of these
super conferences.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Well and that's that's what everyone's been waiting for for
one hundred years with Notre Dame, and they refuse. But
the simple economics may point Notre Dame to either a
ACC which is where the rest of their school programs
are part of. But I don't even know about the
future of that. I want to I want to get
I'm really into this right now because the s C,

(01:05:36):
the SCC and the Big ten are on a different level.
But before we get to all that, let's find out
what's trending right now. Moncey Belognas Moncey By the way,
Moncey got a very nice gift I did from Iowa
Sam today. What what exactly did he give you?

Speaker 9 (01:05:55):
A little novelty?

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (01:05:58):
Friends decoration?

Speaker 8 (01:05:59):
So it's the central perk sign where they would have coffee,
which I actually was wearing a shirt yesterday. It's a
central perk on it. I should have worn it today
and it lights up. It's adorable.

Speaker 9 (01:06:10):
I love it. It's so cute.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
He have you always been a Friends?

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Who?

Speaker 9 (01:06:14):
It's my favorite show of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Who's your favorite character? Monica Rachel Joey Chandler.

Speaker 9 (01:06:19):
So it's funny because I cry all the time, like
I guess.

Speaker 8 (01:06:23):
I don't know if you've seen me cry, but I
cry all the time, and so I relate to Rachel
in that. But I'm so competitive that I relate to
Monica in that one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Really I'm a bit of both.

Speaker 9 (01:06:33):
Like I am so competitive.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
I think of Monica's love interest on that show.

Speaker 9 (01:06:38):
Chandler Or are we talking about mustache.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Man Tom Seller?

Speaker 9 (01:06:42):
Yes, love that man, Love that man.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
See, this is the reason why every year I grow
out my mustache. Yes, you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Well, my wife hates it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
The attention that I get, Like when I'm waiting in
line for a sandwich. Every once in a while I
see I but you know, like it feels like I
rewound the clock.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Like you know, I'm like, look at this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
You know, every time I grow a mustache, it looks
like something I should just wipe off my face.

Speaker 8 (01:07:07):
There is a fine line with men who can't pull
off a mustache and men who can't write, And you
have to accept it.

Speaker 9 (01:07:15):
It's difficult. Not everyone can do it. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:07:18):
Bo's got a good mustache, but Bo has good facial hair.
You can't do a mustache if you don't have good
facial hair.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Mustache, mustache checks that Steve can't cash.

Speaker 9 (01:07:30):
Yeah, that's it. That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
This is me strutting down the aisles at my local
grocery store.

Speaker 8 (01:07:37):
This could be your background music at all times, Rich,
And all the cougars.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
They're just they're just looking at me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
They're like, I can't for lunch meet, but I want
the whole thing. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
The funny thing about my facial hair. So, Keanu Reeves
obviously has the worst facial hair of any guy that
love boards it. I mean, it's that's it's all patches,
nothing that that would be.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
My Wait wait, wait are you comparing your facial hair.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Keanu reach Yes, I mean he has not hatchy. It's awful.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
He is committed to it.

Speaker 9 (01:08:11):
It doesn't make it okay, Rich, it really is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
I appreciate the I mean, Keanu reen is always, you know,
a good looking guy and everything else. That facial is
so bad, but he is committed to us, he is.

Speaker 9 (01:08:23):
It doesn't make it okay.

Speaker 8 (01:08:24):
Once again, fellas, if you've a patchy beard going on,
it's not it's.

Speaker 9 (01:08:28):
Just take it off.

Speaker 8 (01:08:29):
Just take it off, you know what I'm saying, Like
you look good without any.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Facial hair well, I you never seen me. I've been
shaving since I was nineteen. Completely.

Speaker 8 (01:08:37):
My father has a mustache, only a mustache since I
since I've known him my thirty four years. Right, he
doesn't grow anything else because his mustache doesn't connect to
his beard or to his.

Speaker 9 (01:08:47):
Goat, so he's never yeah, so he doesn't do anything else,
but he wants to. It just has never connected.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
You know, isn't it weird? Because I have a dad
that's out of beard since I was born. I don't
know what it's facial. Man, there's a lot of people
like that, like what were your dad? You'll never know
what his upper lip looks like? Yes, Like it's just
forever a mystery.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
See I was watching Hateful eight the other day.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Uh And Kurt Russell, Now that guy's got hair, Yeah,
that mustache that he has a nice.

Speaker 9 (01:09:17):
Yes, I.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Would describe it as luxurious.

Speaker 9 (01:09:22):
That's a good one. Incredible, that is a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
He's a firefighter. You know, this has been a good.

Speaker 9 (01:09:27):
Update, Russell, have a good update that I've been doing.

Speaker 8 (01:09:29):
Here, guys, let's talk baseball for a hot second.

Speaker 9 (01:09:32):
White Sox have taken the lead over the Guardians. It's
five three in Cleveland. They're about to start the bottom
of the ninth inning.

Speaker 8 (01:09:38):
The ass Shows are beating the Yankees a couple of
home runs from Jake Myers and yord On Alvarez. It's
five to one in the Bronx. They're about to start
the fourth inning. The Royals and the Phillies have only
been playing three innings and it's been up and down.
In fact, Bryson Stotts hied the game for the Phillies
in the first inning with the three run homer, and
then the Royals took the lead, and now the Phillies
are back on top with the Kyle Schwarbert two run

(01:09:59):
homer in the second. It is five four Phillies up.
Bottom of the third inning. The Blue Jays up on
the Red Sox four zero. Top of the fourth inning.
The Rays are beating the Tigers in Detroit five to one.
Bottom of the third. The Nationals just needed the first
two pitches to hit two homers. Two pitches equal to homers.
First cj Abrams, then Lane Thomas Thomas. They've held onto

(01:10:21):
that lead over the Ruds. It is four to two
bottom of the third inning, and mustaches back to you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was a very brief moment that
I had a mustache. I grew up when I was
graduating high school, Like I need to do something to yeah,
you know, show a little age anything.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Well, maybe we should do like, uh, what's coming on?
Oh yeah November? Yeah no shave November or November November.

Speaker 9 (01:10:49):
Yeah, I would love that.

Speaker 8 (01:10:50):
I would love to see all of you guys see
who can grow a mustache and who can't.

Speaker 9 (01:10:54):
That's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
I did. What I'll do is I'll cheat, I will,
I will, I'll uh, I'll into the month like with
a lot of stubble, and then I'll just free the sash,
you know what I mean. Like I'll get like a
running start into the month for sure for the best.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
You don't want to see me, I would come.

Speaker 10 (01:11:13):
Hasn't ever uh you know, shaved his upper lip. He's
had a mustache since he was like twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Yeah, I mean some people just have that ability to
grow in sane.

Speaker 10 (01:11:21):
Never get rid of it, never get rid OF's his
mustache a trademark.

Speaker 9 (01:11:25):
Yeah, like Tom Selly can't get rid of it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Was that guy with his Steelers. Kesel was the guy. Yeah,
Brat Kesel. This guy was unbelievable. So I remember covering
Super Bowls that he was in, so you're up close
and personal. This guy's beard had waves in it, like
there was a beard in a beard in a beard
like it was different layers. Yeah, that's it was unreal,

(01:11:50):
Like there are certain people how you do that?

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Like I also think about like, you know, look, something's
living in there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
It was there, yeah, I mean there's thick. And then
there was just like.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Like I how many times do you think that guy
never shaved that it's stroking his chin whiskers and all
of a sudden he goes, oh junebug like it. We're like, oh,
just a little beetle.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
This guy had like a family of four living in
that beard. I mean it was layer. I mean I've
never seen a beard that literally had layers to it.

Speaker 9 (01:12:22):
I believe it.

Speaker 8 (01:12:22):
And then you have like Yankees Pitcher Nasty Nestor Cortes
who has a mustache but it looks like very thin.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
First of all, you're not supposed to have facial hair as.

Speaker 8 (01:12:32):
A Yankee, but they let you do a mustache a mustache,
which is ridiculous.

Speaker 9 (01:12:36):
Which is the most ridiculous thing ever.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Yeah, why why did that facial adornment, grow a popularity,
shave those sideburns maddingly well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
The the Oakland A's of the early seventies were the
first guys to grow facial hair. It was very pie
and rolly fingers of course, game most famous, yeah rolled
up mustache. Yeah yeah, yeah, I want to I want
to interject for a second and thank you. Mindent packing
with you later. Winners and losers in this race to
redefine the landscape of college sports. Loser George Kliakoff, who

(01:13:12):
actually inherited a big mess from Larry Scott and made
it worse. And then there's Brett Yormark, who is the
commissioner of the Big Twelve. Rich. This conference was on
life support. They were down to ten schools. Texas and
Oklahoma were bolting, and we assumed, you remember there was

(01:13:33):
talk of a merger between the PAC twelve and what
remained of the Big Twelve, which was down to ten schools.
They didn't even have a conference championship game anymore because
they only had ten schools. And now they're up to sixteen.
They get Colorado back, They add the four schools out
of the PAC twelve. They get the four schools out
of the AAC. So even though they're losing Texas and

(01:13:57):
Oklahoma next year to the SEC got to sixteen schools.
So this Brett, your Mark just destroyed George Kliakoff, who
could have done the same thing but was so shortsighted
he lost sight of it. And now well he's going
to be out of a job.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Well, hang on, hang on. So your Mark and Kleifkoff,
what do they have in common.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
They are.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Indebted to the schools that they work for to get
their bidding done. They are figureheads. They are not decision makers. Now,
don't get me wrong. They can apply their opinion. They
can certainly disagree with what these university presidents and athletic

(01:14:46):
directors and board members want to do with the future
of the conference. But they're not making decisions on their own.
Like this is what I always say when people are
upset with Roger Goodell, or people are upset with Rob
Manfred or Adam Silver and you know the the NFL, NBA, MLB.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
This commissioner doesn't know what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
This commissioner is a human shield for the thirty or
thirty two owners, depending on which sport we're talking about.
And that is the same exact thing for these conference commissioners.
Your Mark looks smart because the schools that were helping
him make decisions were helping him make the right decisions.
George Kleivekoff does not, and it's for the same reason.

(01:15:31):
So I don't blame Clefkoff for the shortsightedness. I blame
all these university presidents and these athletic directors who overplayed
their hand, who didn't understand the tenor of.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
The organs off the charts exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
That's the problem is these schools like and name them
as Stanford, cow Oregon, Washington. I mean some of them
obviously were had their site set on leaving the conference
all together. But they were like, merge with the Big
twelve and sully our reputation, no chns. I mean, like Stanford,

(01:16:10):
their endowment is billions of dollars. So maybe they were saying, like, what,
and we're going to join the Big twelve with those
Texas schools. I think not that's what That's the sort
of stuff that was happening behind the scenes, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
I got a little time out. On the other side.
I want to get into one of what has always
been perceived as the most important aspect of college sports rivalries.
Where do we go from here? This is Fox Sports Sunday,
Steve Harbin, Rich Harburger, Fox Sports Sunday. We are live

(01:16:46):
from the tai Iraq dot Com studios. When I grew
up rich a million years ago, on the college football scene,
it was all about rivalries Ohio State, Michigan, USC, ucla USC,
Notre Dame, Alabama, Auburn, Harvard, Yale. There was also one
of the biggest rivalries was Oklahoma Nebraska in what was

(01:17:08):
then the old Big Eight Conference. It was an annual game.
In fact, one year in nineteen seventy one, it was
the game of the century, two undefeated teams. Nebraska came
out on top of that one. So when Nebraska bolted
for the Big Ten, people said, wow, you've destroyed the sport.
I mean, you've taken away one of the greatest rivalries
of all time. Somehow college football survived that. And I

(01:17:33):
know a lot of people I saw you yesterday about
Oregon and Washington departing from their you know stepsisters, so
to speak, Washington State and Oregon State, you know, and
little Pullman, Washington, Little Corvallis, Oregon no more Civil War,
no more Apple Cup. They said, oh maybe every once
in a while that I'll have that game. But as
we've seen over the years, I remember growing up, no

(01:17:56):
one talked about Miami or Florida State of Florida. They
became powers in the eighties and nineties, and those games
suddenly became must watch. Notre Dame and no rivalry against
Miami until suddenly Miami was good and suddenly we wanted
to see those games. So, and you know me, I'm
old school, but the idea of preserving rivalries to in

(01:18:19):
some way preserve interest in college football, I think we
have gone way past that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
Yeah. Look, I think this is going to sound really weird,
but I think that college football, if all of a
sudden every rivalry disappeared, right, if you took away Alabama,
Auburn and Ohio State Michigan and you just any of
these regional rivalries, if they all just vanished and it

(01:18:49):
was because these schools no longer wanted to do this,
and the schools ultimately have a tremendous amount of decision
making power, fan bases would be upset for a very
long time. But college football would. I Look, there are
certain businesses, right now in this country that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Are just untoppable, and college football.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Is one of them. The NFL is another one. You know,
if you want to expand the scope into other businesses,
we could go there. But football right now is king
in this country in terms of entertainment.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
I just don't think rivalries.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Are nearly as important to the survival of the sport
as they once were. And that's the reason why you're
seeing a team like Oregon extricating themselves to a different conference,
really destroying the opportunity on an annual basis to have
the Apple Cup because it doesn't matter anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
It just doesn't. It doesn't have the same impact. Again,
the idea of college football being regional, it was very regional,
right and those days are gone. I mean, it just is.
I mean, there was an era where the South and
the East and the Midwest the west, you know, it
was very separate from the rest of the country. And

(01:20:03):
it's it's just not that way anymore. So get used
to it. By the way, suggestions for renaming the Big Ten,
which is now eighteen one person just said, how about
Big ten and friends? Can we go there? I mean,
you sort of have to keep it open ended. Because
they're probably not done it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Excity. It's a playoff of like John and Kate plus a,
like Big ten plus eight something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Think about that. We got a lot of NFL news
to get to keep it here. This is Fox Sports
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just tuning in, Monsey's been telling you about Team USA
gone from World Cup. What a nightmare now for the network,
right they have to continue on with this World Cup
coverage and no Team USA.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Yikes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
That was supposed to carry us a little bit through this.
You know preseason football, you know some you know Team USA,
and that's gone. We got a lot of NFL to
get too. Rich. I want to start with the Josh
Jacobs situation with the Raiders and the idea that they
would actually consider rescinding his franchise tag, which would make

(01:21:35):
him a free agent. And of course there's a couple
of teams immediately that, Oh, I don't know, division rivals
like the Broncos, and the rate the Chiefs might jump
on a guy like Josh Jacobs. I'm trying to figure
out where the Raiders are right now. You hired a
coach who, now, including last season, is eleven and twenty

(01:21:57):
eight in his last thirty nine games as a head
coach in the NFL. Imagine the mindset of DeVante Adams
right now, right, I mean a year ago, DeVante Adams
wanted to be a Raider so he could be reunited
with his old buddy, his Fresno State teammate, Derek Carr.
Car's gone, by the way, he's here. The latest on
Jimmy Garoppolo is throwing interception after interception during practice. Josh

(01:22:19):
mcdanis says, no problem. I've seen some good throws in there.
But I'm trying to figure out the direction of a
franchise that, even though record wise they haven't been relevant
in twenty years, there's still a very valuable brand to
the NFL, especially now with their location in Las Vegas

(01:22:41):
and two years ago, this team made the playoffs. You know,
with all the ruckus and everything that was going on
with Gruden everything else, they made the playoffs. And I'm
looking at this team right now, I mean potentially if
Josh Jacobs doesn't suit up for this team, not only
are they the worst team in the AFC West, I
mean they're going to be battle for the number one
pick in the draft. How did we get here and

(01:23:04):
and what would be the mindset of resinding the franchise
tag offer of Josh Jacobs.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Okay, so let's face it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
If Josh Jacobs is principled enough that he is threatening
holdout and and it means like he refuses and I
mean refuses to play this season for the Raiders as
a result of those principles. Okay, I mean, like there's
there's a part of me that says, well, just hang

(01:23:36):
in there, find the guy into oblivion, and then hopefully,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
He'll play at some point for you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
But if it looks like this isn't going anywhere positive, well,
then I mean it's either cut bait now or cut
bait later. I mean, like that's that's now. We'll see
where that story goes. But particularly talking about the Raiders globally.

(01:24:05):
I think where they're going is where a lot of
NFL teams are going when they are a little bit
listless and they don't have a great roster that's built
around the quarterback position. The fact of the matter is
they just don't have a great quarterback. Jimmy Garoppolo has
had moments of greatness. He just hasn't had it sustained
long enough for them to win a Super Bowl with

(01:24:26):
him anywhere, whether it was you know, I mean he
barely started in New England, but San Francisco, and now
that he's a Raider, I mean, we'll see what the
reunion with Josh McDaniels looks like. But this guy has
been a winner, but very reliant on the talent he
has around him. It reminds me a lot of Kirk Cousins,
you know, in some ways, he reminds me of Dak Prescott.

(01:24:48):
I think Dak Prescott's a better quarterback. You get my idea, though,
Like he's he's somewhere in the middle pack, the middle
tier of the NFL. And so where the Raiders are
is they They moved on from one guy who very
similar in Derek Carr, to Jimmy Garoppolo. So in my mind,
unless you have a great roster, and I mean a

(01:25:09):
great roster built around talents like those two, you're gonna
be a team that's going to be just above five
hundred most seasons. Or if you get into the postseason
on a great season from your offense or defense respectively,
or together a collaborative experience like we've seen in the past,

(01:25:29):
it's gonna be an early knockout in the postseason. And
that's exactly what's happened. It's been a decade of this
basically since Derek car has been drafted. It doesn't mean
that he can't win a Super Bowl. It just means
that they haven't built a good enough team around him
all those years he was in Oakland and the years
that he was in Vegas to win a Super Bowl,
and so time time was up. He wanted to move on,

(01:25:52):
and so he did.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
I get back to a conversation we had with our
buddy Bucky Brooks talking about the importance of a franchise
running back, like what teams can be benefited by having
that dominant running back, And he said, look, if you
have a great quarterback, you know, top tier quarterback. You

(01:26:15):
don't need a great running back. You can get by
with running back by committee. Look at Tom Brady. I mean,
his whole career in New England was running back by committee.
But if you were a middle level I mean, we
were using Kirk Cousins as an example of that, and
the value of a Dalvin Cook to a quarterback like
Kirk Cousins, it's immeasurable. Minnesota's rolling the dice by not

(01:26:40):
retaining Dalvin Cook and going by running back by committee.
I don't think that's going to play out well with
a quarterback like Kirk Cousins. And I would include Jimmy
Garoppolo in this same instance. I can't when I hear
Josh McDaniels and look at I'll acknowledge this guy has
an incredible record as offensive coredinator, but I don't get

(01:27:01):
his mindset as a head coach. The explanation for Josh
Jacob's breakout season last year was, well, it wasn't by design,
it was by accident. Okay, yeah, But by accident you
found out that you have one of the premier running
backs in the NFL along with one of the top
receivers in the NFL. Yeah, why would you pick up

(01:27:25):
the ot It doesn't make any sense. And can you
imagine if he Ashley ends up with an AFC West rival.
I mean, at some point you have to step in
and say this organization has no clue what they're doing
and it's and I get back to you, You're only

(01:27:46):
good is your weakest link. There's a lot of weak
links in this NFL. And yes, the overall picture is
nothing but glorious for the Shield, but it's got to
be frustrating for the league itself when franchises really under
mind themselves with really stupid decision.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
But franchises can get better in a hurry, and all
it takes. All it takes is a great quarterback being
paired with a talented head coach.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
But how many really great quarterbacks are They're rich? I
mean seriously, I mean great quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
Well, we're seeing more and more enter the league as
a result of the emphasis put on the quarterback position.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Two years ago we were talking Kyler Murray was a
great quarterback. Is he still a great quarterback?

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Oh? No, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
And that is that Shawn Watson still a great quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
That remains to be seen.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Look, I personally think that we've seen the best of
Joshaun Watson, but I don't know if my opinion on
that is colored by the.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Mark Jackson still a great quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
Okay, So you're naming three guys who have at one
missed two years of football due to sexual misconduct allegations, right,
the other one who had a horrific knee injury, and
the front office in the head coaching position is in
complete flux in Kyler Murray in Arizona. And then the
third has been something less endurable for the past two

(01:29:13):
seasons after having early success in this league, breakout star.
So those are three good examples of young quarterbacks who
may or may not flame out. And I don't think
we could really categorize Deshaun Watson as a young quarterback.
But how about the ones have recently come out of
college and automatically had success, like Trevor Lawrence, who in
year two looks like he's going to be a superstar

(01:29:35):
in this league for a decade to come. Josh Allen
and Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow and
two a tongue of Vailoa and Jalen Hurts. I mean,
right now, we're entering the age of the quarterback. And
I know we're saying goodbye to the goat, And we
recently waved to the sheriff as he saddled up and

(01:29:57):
he went off into the sunset with the Denver Broncos.
And you no longer have the Gunslinger and Drew Brees
down there with the Saints. But the stock is being
replenished faster than it's ever been in NFL history. Because again,
when the quarterback position was minted as the most important

(01:30:19):
position in sports, there was a transformation process at the
youth league and high school level where all of a sudden,
these high schools were like, Nope, we're no longer running
the football every single down, We're no longer running the
option game.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
We're gonna open things up, and.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
We're gonna be a shotgun, wide open, empty set offense.
You look around high school football now, everybody's throwing the football.
You look back a decade ago, nobody was throwing the football.
And so we're entering the age of the quarterback. Yeah,
you're right, Lamar Jackson may be too fragile to play
long term in this league. Kyler Murray, we may have

(01:30:57):
seen the best of his days. And he may fade
Deshaun watchin. It's a coin flip if he can knock
the rust off. He was an incredible NFL quarterback before
he was alleged to be involved in all of those
sexual misconduct situations. I think that we are entering probably
the greatest moment the NFL has ever had in terms

(01:31:19):
of the quarterback.

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(01:32:29):
should be So. On Thursday, Rich my crew, Denise Drake,
Garrett Parris and her boyfriend, they all went down to Irvine. Yeah,
two to ten RAMS training camp. That is because Tyler

(01:32:53):
Higbee and his significant other have become very close friends
with Denise involved in a real estate thing. But they're
much more. They're friends now, right, So they went down
to Irvine to check out RAMS training camp. Now, you know,
you know those days when the fans are allowed to
show up at training camp. You've been part of that obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
Oh yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
By the way, in your time in the league, when
you had a fans day at training camp, and you know,
sometimes they actually charge you to be there, were the
players encouraged to interact with the fans on those days?

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
In fact, I would say the majority of training camp
practices were, or at very least fifty percent were open practices,
meaning fans were welcome to come to practice and I
think it's first of all, great for the fans because
there's a lot of people who can't afford the ridiculously

(01:33:59):
high ticket prices in the NFL, but they're still enormous
fans of the game. And when they can take off
days from work or if they have a free afternoon
to you know, take their kids down to a training
camp practice, you can actually have a more intimate opportunity
to get to know players post practice with autograph signings

(01:34:22):
and things like that. So so yeah, like I mean,
it was it was a welcoming environment at training camps
often for the fans.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Well, I think it should be. That's why you have
days like that. So I was curious when they got back, like, okay,
did how the rams interact? And they cited some very
positive examples, Tyler Higbee in one of them, but you know,
Matthew Stafford, Sean McVay, you know, spent some time. But

(01:34:53):
there were two two rams, very prominent rams, that said no.
In fact, even when approached they were literally told no, okay,
And those two are Aaron Donald and apparently the worst
of it was Cooper Cup And I thinking to myself,

(01:35:18):
this is not good pr especially for a team rebounding
from a disastrous season in five and twelve. I mean
when we talk about training camp and you got your
get your working and everything else, that there's time to
do all that stuff. But if you have a day
where people are showing up paying money to you know,
sort of you know, and it's not like you know,
you have to stand there in cite autographs for hour

(01:35:41):
upon hour and just an acknowledgement. Sometimes that's all it takes.
Like you know, you wave and they way back or
you know, you know, that's all it really takes. Yeah,
that's all it takes. You know, some kind of acknowledgement.
Hey we're big fans, blah blah, Hey thanks so much.
That's all it takes.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
All right, I'm going to I'm gonna pump the brakes
on this to just say, to just give you insight.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
And now again, I don't know Cooper cup or Aaron
Donald personally. I've never met them, never spoke to them,
never interviewed either of them either as a matter of fact,
on this side of the work, you know, on the
media side. But what I can tell you is, first
of all, training camp is work, right, you know, the

(01:36:28):
same way you know, you know a garbage man gets
on the back of the truck, or the same way
a tax accountant has his crazy times of the year
where he's it feels like he's locked in his office
in front of a computer, or you know, a salesman
is on his beat grinding or working the phones. Like,
there are good days and there are bad days. And

(01:36:50):
depending on what day you catch anybody on if they're
having a tough work day, the level of communication you
want to provide is there's no question about that. Now,
at training camp, there are certain position groups that are
required to go around, do the rounds, sign autographs. Usually

(01:37:12):
every team I played for, that's what it was. It's
like today, it's gonna be the offensive lineman. Today, it's
gonna be the receivers. Today, it's gonna be the tight
ends and the quarterbacks. Today it's gonna be the defensive lineman.
And you send them around the perimeter of this field. Now,
that doesn't mean that nobody else is in supposed to
or allowed to sign autographs. Anybody can sign autographs, but

(01:37:33):
that's usually the way it's scheduled.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
Sometimes when players are asked for autographs, or sometimes when
players are asked for their time when they're when they're
rude to people, it rubs me the wrong way also,
But I'm also aware of the fact that this is
a workplace environment for these players trying to get prepared
for their season, and they too, just like anybody, are

(01:37:58):
susceptible to having good and bad days.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Okay, I accept that. Now let's get to the Rams themselves,
because you, during the course of last season insisted that
twenty twenty two is an aberration. So I'm looking right
now at the odds for the upcoming season for the Rams.
Of the thirty two teams in the league, they are

(01:38:22):
at plus seventy five hundred, which is twenty seventh in
the league, and odds to win the Super Bowl and
their victory over under is six and a half. Yeah,
six and a half for a team that won the
Super Bowl just two years ago. So are you because
I know you will wager. You talk about wagering every Saturday.

(01:38:44):
I never miss it. Are they under selling this Rams team?
Because these numbers say the Rams are literally going to
be one of the worst teams in the NFL, I
mean bad this year or with the four men players
plus a coach that. Let's face it, a couple of
years ago, was on top of the world, maybe turned

(01:39:06):
down tens of millions of dollars to bowl coaching to
take a cozy network broadcasting job. Are the Rams as
bad as Vegas say they are going to be in
twenty twenty three?

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Look to me, the Rams aren't as bad as Vegas says.
If I if I were gonna lay money on one
side of that bet over the hunder, I'm saying the
Rams can win seven plus games.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
I mean seven and ten is a win for you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
Well, well that's that's what I'm saying. Like, think about me,
think about what. Yeah, they were missing Matthew Stafford for
a large chunk of the season, cup and Aaron Donald
for the majority of the season as well. You know,
you think about that and you say, Okay, the best
defensive player in the league was unavailable for a big

(01:39:55):
chunk of the season. The best offensive player, or a
very least one of the best offensive players in the
league was unavailable for the majority of the season. Your
starting quarterback, who's a future Hall of Famer presumably was
missing in action as well due to injury. So how
on earth could you have a successful season. Now, they

(01:40:17):
haven't done themselves any favors roster wise. This offseason. They
stuck to the draft picks they had that didn't forward
sell any other draft picks to build a super team
like they had in years past. And this is no
question a rebuild year. But we've said that before, and
we've seen teams battle their way through a rebuild year

(01:40:38):
and have a really good season. Look at the Seattle
Seahawks last year, everybody said rebuild year. They shipped off
Russell Wilson, he goes to Denver. They get draft picks.
Gino Smith is their starting quarterback. He's in a quarterback
competition over the offseason with Drew Locke. The Seattle Seahawks.
We're a very very good team. So I'm not saying

(01:41:01):
the Rams are gonna be world beaters. I'm not saying
the Rams are going to win a Super Bowl because
I don't think they can.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
But could the Rams end up in the postseason.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
Yeah, wow, you get some pretty good odds right now,
I mean some really good odds. But think about what
they have. Sean McVeigh, Well, this is why I'm saying.
I mean, I mean Vegas is really smart. Yeah, when
you when you lay a number that low on a
team that's just a year removed from winning the Super Bowl,

(01:41:32):
they must know something. Otherwise the whole world's gonna say
six and a half. Geez, I'd go seven and ten.
I'm a winner. I'm all over that. So I'm trying
to figure out what it is that Vegas knows. I'm
with you. I mean, if you can have Matthew Stafford
healthy for the majority of the year, a healthy Aaron Donald,

(01:41:53):
a healthy Cooper Cup, seems to me like I should
win it at least seven games.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Yeah, I just I think that they're being harshly undervalued,
especially when you think about where the Seattle Seahawks very
solid season last last year, but the Saddle Seahawks are
They're still building in the direction of their future. The
Arizona Cardinals have basically all but slammed the reset button down.

(01:42:24):
We'll see if Kyler Murray has anything left in the tank.
On the other side of that ACL injury suffered late
last season. The San Francisco forty nine Ers are obviously
the class of the division, but they have a huge
question mark. And the huge question mark is at the
most important position in the NFL now they were able
to survive the end of last season with Brock Party.

(01:42:47):
But guess what now all thirty two teams and every
team on their schedule has film on Brock Party. Yeah,
you know, it's just going to be a different season now.
I don't know if that means that Brock Party is
their starting quarter for the rest of the way. Maybe
it's Sam Donald, but I mean that's who they have
to choose from. It's Sam Donald or Brock Purty or
Trey Lance who's been mia since he's been drafted. So

(01:43:09):
that's a big area of concern for the forty nine ers.
We'll see again. When you're missing two future Hall of
Famers and arguably the best offensive player in the league
due to injury last season, then you're going to have
a bad year. When you have as quiet an offseason
as the Rams did, where they really had a volume
draft where less need, traded down for more picks, and

(01:43:33):
again had no first rounders. I think the first pick
they had was seventy fifth. Overall, you're going to have
one of those offseasons where Vegas takes a look at
the numbers and says, yeah, we're gonna need a set
an artificially low number to get people even interested in
wagering on the rams.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Yeah, I want on the other side, I want to
talk about some of the teams that could emerge, because
I'm going to give you a four team parlay a
year ago at this time. Okay, if I had laid
down this fourteen parlay a year ago this time, I'm
going to find out from you, mister gambler, Uh, what

(01:44:11):
kind of odds I could have gotten and what kind
of money I would have received at the end of this.
But before we do that, let's find out what's trending
right now. This is the easiest bet on the board.
Monce is ready to roll.

Speaker 9 (01:44:23):
I am ready to barely, but I'm here.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
By the way, she is a huge Taylor Swift fan.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
Is that correct?

Speaker 9 (01:44:30):
I yeah, yeah, I mean I mean could I see
the entire concert?

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
Yes, they are out doing anything. I mean it's like no,
I mean it's beatles Mania with Taylor Swift.

Speaker 9 (01:44:41):
No, it's absolutely crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:44:43):
Rich, I'm over here contemplating dropping an insane amount of
money to.

Speaker 9 (01:44:47):
Go watch Taylor Swift. Yeah, that's what I'm contemplating.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
This is what I would suggest you do.

Speaker 9 (01:44:52):
Please give me advice everybody here has said yes.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
So if you want to go bad enough, the answer
is yes.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
Yeah, the answer is yet.

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
But what I'm thinking you ought to do is Taylor
Swift isn't going anywhere. I mean, she's basically a small
country's economy.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
Yes, she's going to be toing for a long time
to come.

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
So what I say is you'd be one of these
people who, whenever she's playing in this region, you get
on Ticketmaster at like the stroke of midnight and you
try to get the face value tickets, and then you're
gonna find out how big of a Taylor Swift fan
you are, because then when you have a ticket for
I don't know, two hundred and fifty bucks, now you

(01:45:31):
could sell for four thousand dollars.

Speaker 9 (01:45:33):
No, of course that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
We'll see if you really do want to go see Tailing.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Or you could do this. You could wait twenty five
years when she's playing at state fairs.

Speaker 9 (01:45:45):
Yes, you know, I know, I could wait.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
For the Ventura County Fairgrounds or something like that. You
see these You're like, are they still around?

Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:45:54):
I know, wait I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Because I guarantee the tickets that might be much cheaper.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Songs are the same, right, But this is the era store.

Speaker 9 (01:46:02):
It's not like just one album, you know what I'm saying.
It's like the I don't know, guys, I think I'm
gonna do it.

Speaker 8 (01:46:07):
I'm literally waiting for my bff, Grace Buehler. I know
you're driving respond to me if she says, yes, I'm
pulling the trigger.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
We've told yes, I know, but I can't.

Speaker 9 (01:46:18):
I don't want to go by myself, so she has
to drop her I'm not buying.

Speaker 11 (01:46:23):
Please, Steve, Are you gonna buy my ticket?

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
Yeah? Absolutely, not.

Speaker 9 (01:46:31):
The problem. But a little NFL news, guys. The NFL
Network has just tweeted.

Speaker 8 (01:46:37):
That head coach Sean Payton says that Russell Wilson and
starters will play in their preseason game against the Cardinals
on Friday, and that rookie quarterback Bryce Young will play
in the Panthers preseason opener against the Jets on Saturday.
So we're gonna get some starters. That's exciting, at least
for a player two for at.

Speaker 9 (01:46:56):
Least for a player or two, which is what we want.
So come on, good job, good job.

Speaker 8 (01:47:00):
The Yankees have tied the game in the Bronx against
the Astros because the Astros walked two with the bases
loaded in the fourth inning, so now we have a
tigh game. It is five to five, bottom of the
fifth inning. As for the Royals and the Phillies, Nick
Castellanos has extended the Phillies lead with the two run
homer and the bottom of the fifth inning, so it's
seven to four.

Speaker 9 (01:47:19):
Bottom of the seventh. The Orioles are up on the Mets.
It is one zero.

Speaker 8 (01:47:23):
They're about to start the bottom of the seventh inning,
and the Blue Jays have exploded. They can't stop scoring.
It's eleven to one against the Red Sox in Boston.
Bottom of the sixth inning. The Rays have added some
more runs eight to three against the Tigers. Bottom of
the sixth inning. Nationals holding on to their early lead
over the Reds five to three. Top of the sixth inning.
Rockies beating the Cardinals one zero. They're about to start

(01:47:44):
the sixth inning, and the Pirates up on the Brewers
in Milwaukee to zero, top of the fifth. As for
Matt Olsen of the Braves, the Braves are so good fellas.

Speaker 9 (01:47:54):
Everybody's good.

Speaker 8 (01:47:55):
Every day you hear a different player has delivered for
the Braves. But once again it's Matt Olsen and two
run homer home run number thirty nine on the year.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
I think they miss Freddy Freeman at no, not even
a little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:48:07):
Has that ever happened where somebody gets rid of a
star and then they get a star like in.

Speaker 9 (01:48:13):
The exact same spot, Like, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
Why the Braves are lap in the field right now
in baseball and they.

Speaker 8 (01:48:18):
Are one of the few every team when I look
at the roster and like the batting averages, there's at
least one, if not two players batting in the one
hundreds below two hundred. Everybody for the Braves is in
the two hundred batty like everybody.

Speaker 9 (01:48:31):
So right now it is a tie game against the
Cubs to two.

Speaker 8 (01:48:33):
Top of the fifth inning, Rangers are blanking the Marlins.

Speaker 9 (01:48:37):
It's three zero.

Speaker 8 (01:48:37):
They're about to start the bottom of the fourth inning,
and the White Sox did beat the Guardians five to three.
Guardians are now four games behind Minnesota for the top
spot in the a L Central.

Speaker 9 (01:48:47):
Back to you guys, go mon see shake it on.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
Even if you're going by yourself, you gotta be there.

Speaker 8 (01:48:54):
Well, if I go by myself, then I gotta get
like the cheapest seat, like behind the stage.

Speaker 9 (01:48:58):
And then try to mingle my way down.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
If I go.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
Myself going to deny you min maybe I could.

Speaker 9 (01:49:04):
Wear my Fox Sports radio badge.

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:49:08):
I just want to ask Taylor who is more famous?
You are Lebron James. That's what I would ask her.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
She says that Taylor Swift is right now the most
famous woman in the If.

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
She ran for president Chica West.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
One thousand, she ran against Michelle Obama, she would win.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
She ran against anything.

Speaker 8 (01:49:30):
Rich.

Speaker 9 (01:49:30):
Did you know Beyonce's on tour?

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
I did, Actually I did, because she keeps popping up
on my TikTok.

Speaker 8 (01:49:36):
Oh okay, but see even she's on tour and half
of the people don't even know.

Speaker 9 (01:49:40):
It's crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:49:41):
And Beyonce at one point was you know, the top
top top and she's still up there, but Taylor Swift
has yes, and she still is but has sneaked in there,
sneaked in there.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
Yes, I will not be there under any take my money, Steve.

Speaker 11 (01:49:58):
Steve won't be there, but there's like one hundred percent
chance that somebody you know will.

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
I would.

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
I still have to ask my daughter because she's seen
Taylor Swift and concert.

Speaker 10 (01:50:08):
Fox Sports radio personality Mike Carmon as he saw her
Friday night.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
He was there, how about that by himself? Hence he
took his daughter.

Speaker 9 (01:50:17):
No, yeah, he took his daughter.

Speaker 11 (01:50:19):
My cousin texted me the other day he was like,
do you know any way to get four Taylor Swift tickets?
And I was like, yeah, you go buy a ski
mask and then hang out in front of your.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
Own Honestly, these tickets are tougher than Super Bowl tickets.

Speaker 10 (01:50:31):
You somehow sneak into the bathroom, wait there for four days,
and then wait until a concerts starts.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
That's a good one, you know, you just hide out
eat peanuts. That's actually not a terrible idea. All right,
I am going to sell away bathroom. Okay, Moncey, thank
you very much again. Listen to us, you'll be there.
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(01:50:56):
I loved playing the game each year in the NFL,
of which teams are going to rise from the Ashes.
So a year ago, at this time, Rich, imagine if
I walk up to a betting window and I said,
I like to do a four team parlay, and I
am betting on all four of these teams to have

(01:51:17):
a winning record this season. And they're like, Okay, what
teams you got? Okay, I like to say the Pittsburgh Steelers,
the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Detroit Lions, and the Seattle Seahawks.

(01:51:39):
Now they would laugh me away, saying, fine, if you
want us to take your money, we'll do just that. Well,
the fact is, going in at this time a year ago,
the odds of any of those teams having a winning record.
The Steelers with no Big Ben Well, Jacksonville coming off
of season where they had the number one pick in the.

Speaker 3 (01:51:59):
Draft and it was Kenny Pickett who were potentially going
to be your starter. Jacksonville with the first time not
first time, but their first year with Peterson.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
Well, I mean they're coming up back to back years
of having the number one overall pick. And then you
have Detroit while the Lions speak for themselves, and Seattle
a team that had just traded Russell Wilson away and
had Drew Locke and.

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
Drew long Smith competing for the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
So the odds of any of those teams having a
winning record was long. Yeah, to say the least. The
idea of all four of those teams having a winning
record kind of odds could I have gotten?

Speaker 1 (01:52:38):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
Thousand to one?

Speaker 8 (01:52:39):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
I mean maybe more than that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
I mean parlaye all four of those teams. Meaning if
any one of those teams doesn't have a winning record,
I lose.

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
I mean three thousand and one, easy, right, I mean yeah,
like I'm that's a long odds future. Bet here. Here's
the thing though, Okay, the NFL is very very difficult
to predict for two reasons.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
One injury.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
It is a there is such a huge, huge percentage
of stars that are unavailable at the end of the
season compared to when the season starts. And it's a
long season. Even though it's only seventeen games. You compare
that to basketball or baseball, it seems much shorter. But
it's a long season because it's a grind those weeks

(01:53:28):
preparing for the next battle. I mean, nobody's playing one
hundred percent healthy come the end of the season. And
you could say that about other sports, but it's not
the war of attrition that football is.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
So that's one part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
The second part of it is the NFL is one
of those games where teams and players mature and cultures
grow at different rates. So Trevor Lawrence comes in, It
doesn't look great with Urban Meyer, but then all of
a sudden in year two with a quarterback whisper like
Doug p and a good defense and some tools around

(01:54:02):
the offense, and about the half half point of the
football season, it started to click in and you could
see how bright the future could be in Jacksonville. Same
thing with the Detroit Lions. After an abysmal season with
Dan Campbell, it felt like the culture was clicking in.
Gino Smith, out of nowhere, out of nowhere, has finally

(01:54:26):
figured the thing out at the starting quarterback level.

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
You know. So when you look at a season's.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
Preview and then to talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers, the
fourth leg of this parlay. The Pittsburgh Steelers, the only
thing they had going for them was history, was the
fact that Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season
as a head coach. And outside of that, I mean,
it looked bleak. They had a bad offensive system a

(01:54:53):
year ago with Ben Roethlisberger, and frankly, they still had
a pretty bad offensive system this year with their with
Matt Canada as the ROC, Kenny Pickett looked like he
was coming in and surprising people with his athleticism. He
was winning games with the Pittsburgh Steelers based on sheer will.
The defense overplayed expectations, missing their star in what coming

(01:55:18):
off that edge. I mean it really, it really was
an odd start to the season for the Steelers, but
they were able to dismount and land with nine wins,
which was shocking.

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
Well, let me ask you this. How about if I
walked to the same window, They're like, wow, you were
unreal last year. With that, I said, I like to
do another four team parlay. I like to take the Steelers,
the Jaguars, the Lions, and the Seahawks, and I want
to do a parlay that they all have losing records

(01:55:48):
in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
The same teams, the.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
Same four teams that all finished the year at nine
and eight. All four of those teams have a losing
record in twenty twenty three. We'll get to those odds.
This is Fox Sports. Sunday. Monsie says three hour concert.
She would utter every word in unison with Taylor Swift

(01:56:14):
for any song that she sings. Is that right?

Speaker 9 (01:56:16):
Every single song. I don't even like this song and
I can sing every word.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
This song is probably the one I know best most
people do.

Speaker 8 (01:56:25):
I actually don't care for this song, Like the beat
is fine, but I don't even care and I know
every word, so I should be there.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
There are a few groups I could do that with.

Speaker 3 (01:56:36):
I absolutely love this song, of course you do. I
mean it puts me in the best moves.

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
This is her biggest hit, right I was maybe bad?

Speaker 3 (01:56:43):
Yeah bad.

Speaker 9 (01:56:44):
I mean, she has a lot of big I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:56:46):
I'm not but this is like a like a an
uppity song to get you going.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
Sure yeah, oh shait yeah yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:56:53):
You know what I mean, But it's not my favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
Steve Hartman and Rich Arnberger, Fox Sports Sunday, we are
live from the high IRAQ dot Com studios. All right,
so I threw a parlay out at you before break
is taking the four teams that I won all that
money with a year ago. When I said that the Steelers, Jaguars, Lions,
and Seahawks would all have winning records. Now I'm gonna

(01:57:16):
turn it around, say they all have losing records in
twenty twenty three. What do you think of that?

Speaker 3 (01:57:24):
Well, when you look at the odds and win totals
for these teams, Pittsburgh and Seattle are at eight and
a half, right, Detroit and Jacksonville are at nine and
a half.

Speaker 2 (01:57:37):
So they're right there.

Speaker 3 (01:57:39):
You're deciding between whether or not you want to see
Pittsburgh or Seattle have a winning season or not.

Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
They put them right on that line.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
I'm saying they all win eight or less games.

Speaker 3 (01:57:52):
Well, so the fact of the matter is you would
have you would have longer odds last year to pick
them as winners than this year to pick them as losers.
Is essentially what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:58:03):
All right, let me ask you this, So to one
of those teams.

Speaker 3 (01:58:06):
At plus two thousands something like that, for all four
to have losing seasons.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
I mean really four tremendous coaching jobs. Yeah, to get
those teams to nine and eight a year ago. All right, So,
if you were to rank those teams in terms of
what they'll do in twenty twenty three, which team is
the most likely to have? Well, which team would have
the most wins. Which team will have the least wins

(01:58:31):
this year? Between the Steelers, Jaguars, Lions, and Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (01:58:35):
Based on or division and where the division's presumably heading,
Pittsburgh will have the worst season and Jacksonville will have
the best. Yeah, yeah, I mean when you look around
the AFC South, it looks very winnable, and Jacksonville's on
the right upward trend with Trevor Lawrence being the quarterback
of the next decade for them, you would assume, and

(01:58:55):
then there's still huge question marks a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
Life could add the best record. I mean that NFC North.

Speaker 3 (01:59:02):
That's very winnable too.

Speaker 2 (01:59:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:59:05):
I just look Jared Goff. We've seen a lot of
Jared Goff. We've seen one season that looks like it
did last year.

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
Well, he had two great seasons with the Rams. He
also had top great seasons. Well, he did have Todd
Gurley at his peak, you're right, Yeah, and when Todd
Gurley suddenly went down, yeah, he wasn't as good.

Speaker 1 (01:59:26):
Now we'll see what happens.

Speaker 3 (01:59:27):
Because the Detroit Lions just got a first round running
back out of Alabama who they're high on. So life
could get easy for Jared Goff. And again it was
great last year. He looked great last year, performed extremely well.
But I'm a big fan of what Trevor Lawrence is
and what he could be in this NFL, in this league.

(01:59:47):
And I do think that the AFC South is a,
I mean, a convincibly weaker division than even the NFC North.

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
Yeah, I mean there's some divisions out there, the NFC South,
which of course had four losing teams year ago, is
that gonna be any better this year? Not looking good.
AFC South, NFC North, some pretty pretty slim pickings in
those divisions. By the way, on the other side, we
have a monumental programming note. Yeah, a monumental programming note.

(02:00:19):
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way tire buying should be all right. So we're gonna
begin this hour with a major programming note Rich, and
it's very self serving. But season two of Winning Time
The Rise of the Lakers Dynasty Tonight premiers on HBO Max,

(02:01:10):
and I was featured in three of the ten episodes
in season one, as get this a sports talk radio
show host. It's a stretch season two. There are just
seven episodes in season two, and I know that I

(02:01:31):
will you'll hear my voice in at least five of
those episodes in season two.

Speaker 3 (02:01:38):
You are what I have always known you to be,
which is a tireless self promoter.

Speaker 2 (02:01:46):
Shameless shameless now in your.

Speaker 3 (02:01:51):
Ability to highlight what you do, what you have done,
and what you will do.

Speaker 2 (02:01:57):
Yes, no, No, I mean it is a joke for
an attempt. No to once again, I know I wing
on to any relevance.

Speaker 3 (02:02:05):
No, I refuse to allow you to deprecate yourself because
I actually a I'm a huge fan of season one. Yes,
thought that it was one of the best best shows
on television last year. Second, I thought that you're I
didn't get enough Steve Hartman last night.

Speaker 2 (02:02:23):
You're going to get more in season two.

Speaker 3 (02:02:24):
So there you have it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:25):
Yeah, Now, I for the record, Yeah, as you know, Rich,
in December, as they were beginning to shoot season two.
I get a phone call from the producers about appearing
in an episode. I said, Hey, I'm ready to go
down to the recording studio and they're like, no, we
want to put you on camera. And I'm like what.

(02:02:51):
So I went down with my broadcast partner, my co host,
over at KTLA in Los Angeles to shoot a scene
and I, you know, I actually I've actually been on
television shows before, but this just seemed next level. Yeah,

(02:03:11):
you know it. It was big time down at Warner
Brothers and I go down there for hair, makeup, and wardrobe.
I walked into the trailer for the hair lady. I
walked in and she looked at me and she's like, Wow,
we don't have to do anything with your hair. I mean,
we're shooting someday. It's supposed to take place in nineteen
eighty four, and you were spot on. I mean, it's

(02:03:33):
like you got eighty four hair. Unfortunately, though, I did
come back when we shot the scene on Monday the
following Monday, and she got me in the chair and
she just wanted to put a lot of product in
my hair. This is the days in the ages, you
put a lot of stuff and then blow it out
to puff out your hair, of course, and which she did.

(02:03:54):
I'm like, you really want me to go on camera
looking like this? So anyway, long story short, we shot
the scene, took forever. Memorizing lines proved to be a
challenge for at least one of us anyway, so we
assumed that this scene's going to be there. And then
we came back to actually do some audio scenes, like

(02:04:15):
you know again doing sports talk radio. And one of
the scenes that we did audio one was very reminiscent
because we can see the screen because everything obviously has
got to sync up, and it was the scene that
we shot without us, So I think I assume that
our on screen time hit the cutting room floor.

Speaker 3 (02:04:36):
Okay, well, so your voice is going to be in
the scene, just not your physical presence, right.

Speaker 2 (02:04:42):
And then my partner seemed to be a little upset
about this possibility, and I asked them this question, I go,
did you did you see the movie?

Speaker 3 (02:04:50):
E T?

Speaker 2 (02:04:51):
Who hasn't seen ET?

Speaker 7 (02:04:52):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:04:54):
And do you remember how great Harrison Ford was in ET?
And you're like, Hare's Ford and E T. Harrison Ford
wasn't an ET. Well he could have been, and I'll
tell you why. So he had just done Raiders of
the Lost Arc with Steven Spielberg, pretty big hit coming
on the heels of his Star Wars movies. In other words,
Harrison Ford is the number one star in Hollywood. At

(02:05:16):
that point, Spielberg's next movie is et and Harrison Ford said, Hey, Steven,
I'd love to maybe get a little cameo. Spielbord said great.
They shot a scene where Harrison Ford played a teacher
in a classroom for the boy that was the star
of the movie. You didn't see it because Spielberg and

(02:05:38):
editing the movie said, eh, didn't really fit. He literally
cuts out the number one star in Hollywood out of
his movie.

Speaker 1 (02:05:45):
Hey, then's the break and it happens all the time.

Speaker 3 (02:05:49):
Yeah, in your acting career, you and Harrison Ford have
a lot more in common.

Speaker 2 (02:05:54):
This is what I was telling about partner. I said,
Now you can say I'm like Harrison Ford, just like him,
just like him. It is a fun show. I know
that Jerry West, who is my idol by the way,
is very upset about the way he has been portrayed
in this show. And all I can say for Jerry is, unfortunately,
you're a public figure, and they can pretty much do

(02:06:15):
whatever they want. Now he's been threatening to take the
Supreme Court. What did you like about Season one? Is
like any.

Speaker 3 (02:06:24):
Actually, I love the portrayal of Jerry West, you know,
sort of the conflicted genius.

Speaker 2 (02:06:30):
The over the top trophies windows.

Speaker 3 (02:06:33):
Yeah, because look, you knew it must be a hyperbolic representation.
But I thought the character, or the portrayal of the
character made him a sympathetic figure. Like you, you wanted
a root for that guy, because even though he was
conflicted and and imperfect, there was something, there was something

(02:06:58):
about him that you wanted to root for. Desperate. I
loved h I loved the way or uh John c
Ryles portrayal portrayal of Jerry Buss. Yes, I thought that
was fantastic. I love the fact that they painted the
picture of this, you know, magnificent showman that Jerry Buss was.
But also how difficult it is to try to be

(02:07:19):
a father to a daughter during this time period of
his life. Uh, and then also how difficult it was
to be a son to a mother who was losing
her grip. And yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:07:33):
Sally Field was outstanding.

Speaker 3 (02:07:34):
Sally Field was outstanding as the matriarch of the Buss family.

Speaker 1 (02:07:38):
It was.

Speaker 3 (02:07:38):
It was just a very well acted, well conceived, well
written show and I can't wait for a season two.

Speaker 2 (02:07:44):
By the way, I was sitting here with our buddy
Carrie Rhodes doing the show a couple of weeks ago,
and I was mentioning this, you know scene that I
did with the actor Quincy Isaiah who plays Magic Johnson
in this series, and Carrie had a second callback for
that role. No way, Yeah, I mean Carry's an actor, right, Yeah,

(02:08:05):
and so he actually got a second callback for the
role of Magic Johnson in this Wow.

Speaker 3 (02:08:13):
I didn't know that. Yes, Yeah, Kerry and I played
together in Arizona. Yes, he was one of my favorite
guys because he's super duper smart, and you knew that
he was going to do something beyond football after he
was like, you know, I had no idea he was
a talented actor, but I've seen some of his work
and he is and and radio is perfect for him because,

(02:08:35):
like I said, he's a thoughtful guy. And so I'm
glad to see that he's in the Fox Sports Radio galaxy.
And I hope you're not teaching him too many bad habits.

Speaker 1 (02:08:44):
Yes, that's all.

Speaker 2 (02:08:45):
Yeah, So check it out on HBO that is Winning
time and see if you can hear my voice. Yeah,
they amplify it a little bit because everything I say,
it's funny. Every time they hand me one of the
scripts I go to. I ever say anything positive about
any of these people, it's always I'm ripping Magic, I'm

(02:09:05):
ripping Kareem, I'm ripping Riley, I'm ripping Boss. Is there ever?

Speaker 3 (02:09:10):
They go?

Speaker 2 (02:09:11):
Just read the script, Okay, just read the script? All right?
So all right, So I wanted to get back to
the NFL for a second here because you mentioned this
a little bit earlier, the perceived predicament facing the San
Francisco forty nine ers as far as the quarterback position
is concerned. I think that if you are being objective here,

(02:09:36):
if you take the quarterback out of the equation, which
is a big if, but if you take the quarterback
out of the equation, I don't think there is a
better roster anywhere in the NFL than the San Francisco
forty nine ers on both sides of the football. I mean,
they've got skill guys that are upper echelon. They have

(02:09:59):
d defensive players that are upper echelon. If you'd take
quarterback out, whether it's the Chiefs, the Bills, the Eagles,
I think the forty nine ers have the best roster
save quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (02:10:14):
Uh Okay, outside the quarterback position, I can see that argument.
But the quarterback is the most important I understand that
in the league, and so the Philadelphia Eagles have the
top rated roster. In my opinion, Jalen Hurts outperformed Patrick
Mahomes in the Super Bowl. I mean there is no
question about it. Okay, go back and look at the statistics.

(02:10:37):
Go back and look at the games they both played. Now,
don't don't get me drop the ball.

Speaker 2 (02:10:42):
He handed them a touchdown that proved to be the
difference in the game. You know that I am a
huge and I was in some bandwagon Hurts fan. You
know that I was a Hurts fan from the get game.

Speaker 3 (02:10:53):
I'm not saying that he didn't have a fatal flaw,
a terrible moment in that game, which he did.

Speaker 2 (02:10:59):
Which I'll cost him the game.

Speaker 3 (02:11:01):
But if you look at the way he was able
to play when all the lights were on, yea, it
just proves to you two things. One what we saw
in college wasn't a fluke. He's a champion and he
can play at a champion level at this level.

Speaker 1 (02:11:15):
And two, it's it's.

Speaker 3 (02:11:18):
Only just the beginning, Like he's gotten better every season
and the fact that now he has that performance under
his belt, it's not like it's gonna be a great regression.
They've only gotten better on offense in terms of talent acquisition, right,
They've only gotten better on defense in terms of talent acquisition.
This roster improved over this offseason, and they were a

(02:11:40):
super Bowl team last year. So the Philadelphia Eagles, I
mean again, if you want to exclude the quarterback position,
I'll I'll give the edge to the San Francisco forty
nine ers, but barely.

Speaker 2 (02:11:54):
Okay, but you got Kyle Shanahan. And by the way,
this whole Kyle Shanahan trumpeting the incredible skill set of
Brock Purty is pretty incredible. And the reason that they
went a different direction to quarterback a couple of years
ago in the draft was specifically because Kyle Shanahan felt

(02:12:19):
he was limited with Jimmy Garoppolo and what he could
do with his offense, Like I need I need a
quarterback with a greater skill set so I can expand
my offense. And now all of a sudden he is maintaining,
like you're just talking about Jalen Hurts is the real deal.
I one hundred percent agree. I don't have any concerns
about You know, my argument for years before Hurts was

(02:12:42):
given that opportunity is, remember we used to bring people on.
I used to say, what is the ceiling on Jalen Hurts?
I'm trying to figure this out. What is the what's
the ceiling out a guy like Hurts? Everyone was wrong
the way underestimated his ceiling. Oh, of course, But I
mean with Brock Purty, is he I mean when when
Kyle Shanahan says he is the real deal, that what

(02:13:05):
we saw a year ago is not a fluke, assuming
that he's one hundred percent healthy, Do you buy that?

Speaker 1 (02:13:11):
Well, I can buy it.

Speaker 3 (02:13:14):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:13:15):
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 3 (02:13:15):
I'm not. I wouldn't put it in the category of
inconceivable that he could be a great quarterback because we've
seen a sixth rounder become the greatest quarterback of all times,
so it's not beyond me to imagine that a seventh
rounder could do the same thing.

Speaker 1 (02:13:33):
Potentially, But what.

Speaker 3 (02:13:35):
We saw was brock Purty gifted a team and the
large majority of a season in preparation to play with
these teammates of his on the forty nine ers starting
offense that that was already full of inertia heading toward
a playoff bound season, and he just didn't screw it up.

(02:13:57):
Now as he progressed the final games of the season,
he made some plays out arguably won them games down
the stretch. But I don't think the pressure was ever
on brock Party. I don't think the pressure was ever
on brock Party. He was just filling in. He was
this guy who, gosh, just keep the wheels on, yes, right, yeah,
And so he was able to do that. He kept

(02:14:19):
the wheels on. And then after that it was boyle boy,
he's impressive. Can he take this team deep into the postseason?
And he did.

Speaker 1 (02:14:27):
And then the.

Speaker 3 (02:14:28):
Thought was, my goodness, is brock Purty gonna win us
a Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (02:14:33):
And the answer, look, it's no, but we can make He.

Speaker 3 (02:14:37):
Got hurt and he got hurt bad, so there's there's
no there's no way to tell for sure what would
have happened if he didn't. But but the answer was
essentially no, now the pressure's on. Look, the NFL is
a cauldron of superstars, and not only at the field level.

Speaker 1 (02:14:56):
But also at the coaching level.

Speaker 3 (02:14:58):
You have the best in the bright is working day
and night to try to take you apart.

Speaker 1 (02:15:04):
And now the pressure's on.

Speaker 3 (02:15:05):
Now. Everybody saw how you finished the season last year,
and now the target is squarely on your back. Say
what you will about Jimmy Garoppolo, over the course of
his time as a San Francisco forty nine Ers quarterback,
it appeared that he could handle the pressure to a point. Now,
he didn't get them over that ledge to become a

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super Bowl team during the John Lynch Kyle Shanahan era
so far, and that's the reason why they've moved off
of Jimmy Garoppolo. They tried to draft Trey Lance and
now it looks like it's going to be Brock's team
at least at first. But I'm telling you right now,
the pressure is on in a big way. And this
is where the rubber meets the road. This is where
we find out whether or not he can play in

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this league.

Speaker 2 (02:15:48):
By the way, some of the feedback that we've been
getting out of forty nine Ers camp as far as
Trey Lance and Sam Darnold is concerned. Not great, Yeah,
not great in fact, Sam Donald, Yeah, I keep thinking
you're telling me Sam Darnold doesn't have a skill set
of a brock Party. He may be better athlete, but

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he's not a better quarterback. He's not doing well in
camp right now with the forty nine ers, and Trey
Lance is okay, not much better than that. All right,
We got much more NFL news to get to this
his Fox Sports Sunday. The Hell's happening here, Sam, But
that Wow, Steve Harbin, Rich Ornberger.

Speaker 10 (02:16:36):
This is this is Steve soundtrack for when he was,
you know, getting getting ready for the for the shooting
waiting time.

Speaker 1 (02:16:43):
Yeah, my.

Speaker 10 (02:16:45):
Perpetual eighties. Look, this is Donna Summer, by the way. Yeah,
it's a great late great Donna summer.

Speaker 2 (02:16:50):
You know, there was a period for those at us
to remember where it was basically a constant stream in
AM radio, which long before FM took over, where you
have your top hits shows radio stations, and it was
just BG's Dona Summer, BG's Dona Summer, BG's Donna Summer,

(02:17:11):
just back and forth on the day. Once again, we're
live from the Tirak dot com studios. I want to
make a quick note here, Rich. I don't know if
you got to see any of the Hall of Fame
speeches yesterday, and I know it just you cringe every
time I bring up Hall of Fame. But there were
two highlights for me yesterday. One was the introduction of

(02:17:32):
Marv Levy.

Speaker 3 (02:17:33):
There.

Speaker 2 (02:17:34):
Marv Levy on Thursday celebrated his ninety eighth birthday.

Speaker 3 (02:17:39):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:17:40):
To give you a little perspective on that one, he
was born Calvin Coolidge was the president, and all movies
were still silent. There had not been a sound movie yet,
So that's when Marv Levy was born in nineteen twenty five.
But not only is he ninety eight, but he is

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like a spry ninety eight, Like he was just sitting
with the other Hall of famers and he stood up,
waved to the people, apparently was interacting with everybody just
like another day at age ninety eight. So God bless
this man. I mean, that is an example. I don't
know what he did or how he's done it, but

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he is very much alive and well at age ninety eight.
So good from Marv Levy.

Speaker 3 (02:18:26):
Well me and Marv obviously have taken care of our
bodies really well over the years.

Speaker 2 (02:18:31):
You're very similar, and so I have.

Speaker 3 (02:18:34):
A feeling when I'm ninety eight, Yeah, and at that
point you'll be one hundred and thirty eight.

Speaker 2 (02:18:39):
I believe something like that.

Speaker 3 (02:18:40):
We will be here on Fox Sports Sunday. Yeah, heading
into our next NFL season, which at that point it'll
be two hand touch on the quarterback. The sky judge
will have be institute at twenty years prior, and we
will now have forty.

Speaker 2 (02:18:56):
Teams, yes, at least forty teams. The other the highlight
for me was finally to hear the name Don Coriel
announced as a Pro Football Hall of Famer.

Speaker 3 (02:19:06):
I agree with this. This is if you're gonna have
a Hall of Fame and you're not going to include
Don Coriel, then what the hell are you doing here?

Speaker 2 (02:19:14):
Here's what I tell people about Coriel when they look
at his three and six mark in postseason, that he
never got to a Super Bowl. By the way, it's
amazing that he coached two teams in the NFL that
don't exist, the Saint Louis Cardinals and the San Diego Chargers.
Just throwing it out there.

Speaker 3 (02:19:30):
Anyways, good point, and he was made. He was responsible
for both.

Speaker 2 (02:19:35):
Yes, he took over two miserable franchises and literally overnight
made him winners. His cardinal years almost forgotten, but he
went back to back division titles at the height of
the Cowboys and the Redskins as they were then known,
dominating that NFC East. The Chargers were beyond bad before
he introduced Eric Coriel. But two of his assistant coaches,

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two coaches that are in the Pro Football Hall of
Fame who literally got their coaching careers started as assisting
coaches under Don Coriel at San Diego State were Joe
Gibbs and John Madden, and both of them, in their

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Hall of Fame induction speeches, mentioned the fact that it
was hard for them to fathom how they could be
in the Hall of Fame when the man they learned
everything from is not in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (02:20:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:20:31):
Yeah, So the reverence that anyone had for Don Coriel,
and I was so happy. Dan Fouts obviously is a
great quarterback who was a complete nobody at the professional
level until Coriel showed up, you know, finally had his day. So,
you know, I go back and forth on this whole
idea of you know, just is it right to have

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too many people in the Hall of Fame. You know,
if it was up to me, the way I would
do the voting would be very simple. The idea of
being on the ballot fifteen times, to me is crazy. Look,
you retire five years, you have a room of people
that should know what they're talking about in terms of
who should belong in the Hall of Fame or not,

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and you have a vote, and then everyone has a
second chance, okay, And so if you don't get in
that first time five years later, so now there's ten
years removed. Yeah, for you to really have plenty of
time to think about is this guy a Hall of Famer?
And if you don't make it bad time, then I'm
sorry you weren't a Hall of Famer. That's the way
I would do it.

Speaker 3 (02:21:32):
I think.

Speaker 1 (02:21:34):
I think it's I again.

Speaker 3 (02:21:36):
I went to the Hall of Fame, and I respect
and revere the greatness of the players that came before
before my career started, and now it's ended and all
that stuff like. But the reality is I hate the
fact that it's gate held by people who, for whatever

(02:22:00):
variety of reasons, will keep people out of the Halls
of Fame. And this is across all sports, whether it
be the NAA Smith Pro Basketball or basketball Hall of Fame,
it's Pro n amateur, or it's the baseball Hall of
Fame in Cooperstown, New York, or the football Hall of
Fame in Canton. I just think that every time we
have this discussion. I agree with you about criteria, and

(02:22:24):
I agree with you about a lot of the things
that you say. I think we have a lot of
common ground, But I just can't stand the fact that
still to this day, we have to rely on the
subjectivity of Hall of Fame voters to tell us who
the greats are.

Speaker 1 (02:22:39):
Yeah, we know who they are.

Speaker 2 (02:22:40):
Don Coriel.

Speaker 3 (02:22:41):
Anybody who pays attention to football and understands influence he had.

Speaker 2 (02:22:45):
It still has an influence on the game.

Speaker 3 (02:22:48):
Understands that he should have been in the Hall of Fame,
and for whatever reason, the gatekeeper said no. And I
think that's that happens so often with the Hall of
Fame that it's sickening, and that's the reason why I
don't have a lot of respect for it.

Speaker 2 (02:23:00):
By the way, on the other side, I have a
quick question about one potential Hall of Famer that is
close to you. Okay, I want to ask you specific
about one potential Hall of Famer coming up this year,
but first let's find out what it's trending right now.
Is well, this is a no brain. This is one
of those names Monty Belanios like they would sit there
and like, you know, it's like Peyton Manning, like we

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don't need to have any wasted discussion.

Speaker 9 (02:23:26):
I'd stop it.

Speaker 2 (02:23:26):
I mean, there's others we could, you know, argue about,
but some just get a quick pass.

Speaker 9 (02:23:30):
Oh stop it, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:23:35):
Let's let's talk about, you know, the controversy of the
other knuckleheads on the air, right.

Speaker 9 (02:23:40):
We want we'll do that off the air.

Speaker 3 (02:23:41):
How about that?

Speaker 2 (02:23:42):
Perfect?

Speaker 9 (02:23:42):
All right, guys.

Speaker 8 (02:23:43):
According to the NFL Network, Jamar Chase is telling Joe
Burrow to not play Week one, not because he doesn't
want him to, but he's like, if you are not
one hundred percent from your calf injury, please do not play.
Because reports are saying that he's going to be ready
for a Week one Joe Burrow, but apparently Jamar Chase

(02:24:03):
is like, no, no, no, I don't want you on
the field.

Speaker 9 (02:24:05):
You please take care of that.

Speaker 8 (02:24:07):
Calf.

Speaker 9 (02:24:08):
He said, as long as you're back by week five.

Speaker 2 (02:24:11):
We're good. Week five.

Speaker 9 (02:24:12):
That's what Jamar Chase is saying. According to the NFL Network, is.

Speaker 2 (02:24:15):
That what they're saying about Joe Burrow.

Speaker 8 (02:24:17):
No, that's no that they're saying there's no reason he
can't play week one. It's just Jamar Chase is like,
please don't come back.

Speaker 3 (02:24:23):
He's refusing to allow.

Speaker 9 (02:24:25):
Yes, he's starting back, to come back.

Speaker 3 (02:24:27):
To come back and play.

Speaker 2 (02:24:28):
Joe Burrow could be ten percent and I guarantee you he'll.

Speaker 3 (02:24:32):
Be there, right I wha are you guys saying that
Trevor Simeon can't hang?

Speaker 8 (02:24:37):
Oh yeah, kind of okay, not the way Joe Burrow can,
all right, right, I mean it's because they're talking how
calf injuries can linger and if you come back to
early it can go worse for you. So that's really
what it stems from. But apparently he should be ready
to go for Week one. Let's move on to Major

(02:24:58):
League Baseball. Some games have wrapped up. The Phillies ended
up beating the Royals eight to four. They are in
the wild Card right now, they're not out of it.
The White Sox beat the Guardians the Guardians needed this win.

Speaker 9 (02:25:09):
Five to three was the final score. The Mets, well,
they're the Mets. They lost to the Orioles. To zero
was the final score.

Speaker 8 (02:25:15):
And the Blue Jays really could not stop scoring against
the Red Sox. They had sixteen hits for a total
of thirteen runs. In Boston, Red Sox had one run.
The Mariners and the Angels just got going. It is
a tie game. Top of the second inning. In La
Rangers continued to score, blanking the Marlins at home.

Speaker 1 (02:25:33):
Five zero.

Speaker 8 (02:25:33):
Top of the eighth inning is about to start. The
Cubs have taken the lead over the Braves. It's five
to four top of the seventh inning. Despite Matt Olsen
hitting his thirty ninth homer of the season, then he
had an RBI single. The Cubs are on top. Rockies
are beating the Cardinals one zero. Bottom of the eighth.
Pirates have added some more runs over the Brewers in Milwaukee.

Speaker 9 (02:25:53):
It is four zero bottom of the ninth inning.

Speaker 8 (02:25:55):
The Brewers have a man on first base and they're
down to their final three outs. Nationals still beating the
Reds in Cincinnati sixty three top of the ninth inning,
and the Astros did end up taking the lead over
the Yankees. In the Bronx it is nine to six,
bottom of the eighth inning. Yankees have a man on
first base and they are down to their final two
outs of the inning. We do have a lot of

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WNBA games going on. I'm gonna mention the top two teams,
the Las Vegas Aces and the New York Liberty. With
Liberty on top sixty six to forty eight less than
five minutes to go in the third quarter, Sabrina Eunescu
of the New York Liberty thirty one points so far
in the game, and again four and a half minutes
left in the third period, third quarter.

Speaker 2 (02:26:35):
Did she put on a show at the All Star
Game with that?

Speaker 9 (02:26:38):
Oh yeah, Oh she's amazing. And the Aces are stacked, yes,
stacked stacks.

Speaker 2 (02:26:44):
Yeah, they're like a super two, they really really are.

Speaker 8 (02:26:47):
And right now Liberty is putting on a show against
I think it's good.

Speaker 2 (02:26:49):
For the WNBA.

Speaker 3 (02:26:51):
I am.

Speaker 2 (02:26:51):
I always think it's good for any sport to have
a super dominant.

Speaker 8 (02:26:55):
Team, yes, for sure, and to have Sabrina unsk who
still shine against them.

Speaker 1 (02:27:00):
Yea.

Speaker 9 (02:27:00):
That helps. Also, thirty one points thirty one points not bad,
not bad. At all. Back to you guys, all.

Speaker 2 (02:27:05):
Right, great job as always, MOONSI all right, I want
to ask you Rich about a guy whose name could
be presented at the Hall of Fame in twenty twenty four.
So the process of the voting right now is they're
focusing on the Seniors committee. So there's two categories. You
have the players, where they can nominate up to three players.

(02:27:29):
They did this for a couple of years because they
felt like that a backlog of players they had to
get to. And then they have the coach slash contributor category,
which produced obviously Don Coriel this year, and the guy
that a lot of people are saying is finally going
to get the nod in that category. They'll be announcing this,
I believe on the fifteenth of August. So coming up

(02:27:50):
here shortly is Robert Kraft, the owner of the New
England Patriots. It's not getting younger. And obviously Jerry Jones
is in the Hall of Fame. We've had Eddie de
Bartelow in the Hall of Fame, so their owners had
definitely earn it based on success, and no owner has

(02:28:12):
more Super Bowl trophies than Robert Kraft. So two questions
for you as someone that played for the Patriots organization,
one of the most celebrated names in Patriots history. How
much credit should Robert Craft get for the success of
the Patriots organization? That's question one. In question two, if

(02:28:35):
he is elected to the Hall of Fame, who do
you believe he would choose as his presenter.

Speaker 3 (02:28:42):
He will be elected to the Hall of Fame, I
would assume it's going to be soon, because I don't
think they I think they would prefer to do it
while he's still around and kicking as opposed to posthumously,
especially with Jerry Jones setting that trend. Yes, and uh,

(02:29:03):
I mean, if you had to choose anybody, we'll see
if my schedule in August, can can really I mean,
if things align, I don't know, I mean, will he I.

Speaker 2 (02:29:14):
Think this brings up a good point if he were
to choose you.

Speaker 3 (02:29:17):
He did draft I mean, he was partially responsibil responsible
for drafting me in the fourth round of the two
thousand and nine draft.

Speaker 1 (02:29:25):
And I know, hold your applause.

Speaker 3 (02:29:28):
But I so, I mean, one of the greatest decisions
the franchise ever made and potentially for the history of
the NFL.

Speaker 1 (02:29:35):
So that's a big deal.

Speaker 3 (02:29:36):
But getting back to Robert, I mean, you could argue
that he had some success even before I got there.

Speaker 2 (02:29:43):
I'll know that. So when we talk about the unprecedented
success yeh over a twenty year period, and we always
talk about Belichick and obviously we talk about Brady, Where
does Robert Craft fit in to the equation in terms
of deserved responsibility for the success of the franchise?

Speaker 1 (02:30:08):
Extremely high?

Speaker 3 (02:30:09):
And I'll tell you why, because it is very, very
easy to get overly involved in anything when when it
matters to.

Speaker 1 (02:30:21):
You, uh, think about think about any.

Speaker 3 (02:30:25):
House project that you ever that you ever had, you know,
commissioned on your house, whether it's rebuilding a bathroom or
putting in a walking closet or a complete renovation. You're
going to obviously give your thoughts and your ideas, but
then at some point you're going to put your trust
into the thought process of experts who you've hired to

(02:30:48):
handle building the bathroom or the closet or the house
because you don't know how to do that. That's not
your job. Your job is to write the checks and
it's somebody else's job to renovate. Well, that's very similar
with an NFL owner, you know. I mean, yeah, you

(02:31:09):
have a general idea of what you want. You may
have an idea of what you want your culture to
look like. You may have an idea of even what
type of players you want on your team, whether it
be like, hey, we want all good character guys, we
want everybody the focus of this to be to be
team over me. Whatever it may be. Like, Okay, so
big thematic ideas, but I mean, you're not the one

(02:31:32):
who's down there in the dirt laying a foundation or
framing the thing, or drywalling or plumbing or doing the
electricity when you get in your house rebuilt same way.
And owner shouldn't be the one who is in the
draft room making bold proclamations about what the team needs
for the upcoming season. And it's really hard to do.

(02:31:52):
It's really hard to do to stay completely uninvolved. Now
I'm not saying Robert Craft has stayed completely uninvolved. I
do think that there have been occasions over the twenty
year span of success that he had with Bill Belichick
where he had made his decision known that they were
going to go with his idea instead of Bill's idea.

Speaker 1 (02:32:15):
But it was rare.

Speaker 3 (02:32:16):
He essentially gave the keys of the kingdom to a
head coach slash general manager who had limited success in
the league as a head coach prior, and said, it's
your show, run it however you want, and that's how
a champion was built. So even though we credit Bill
Belichick and obviously Tom Brady for the incredible success that

(02:32:40):
New England had, it also took somebody having the selflessness
and the foresight to stay out of the way and
let it happen.

Speaker 2 (02:32:51):
Think about this, and this is the one decision that
you there's no argument about. So after a course getting
fired by the Cleveland Browns, he went back to you know,
essentially work with Parcels. And then Parcells steps down as
the head coach of the Jets and hands him the job.

(02:33:15):
He was the Jets coach for one day, and it
was Robert Kraft that offered the Jets a first round
pick to get Belichick, and so he was introduced but
not really introduced as the Jets head coach for a day,
and then all of a sudden, the Jets get a
call from Belichick saying, how would you like a first

(02:33:36):
round pick for this guy? They said, really, We'll take it.
And that changed the course of history for both of
those franchises. Saw him with you. Craft is very deserving,
and he's now into his eighties. It's overdue. Give this
man his due, give him an opportunity to thank the
people that helped him along the way to become the

(02:33:58):
winningness owner in NFL history in terms of Super Bowl
championships of all time. All Right, we're gonna tell you
about the week ahead. This is Fox Sports Sunday and
another hustle double.

Speaker 6 (02:34:11):
Right over the bag at first down, Hoosey and Anderson
square off.

Speaker 2 (02:34:16):
They're fighting, They're swinging.

Speaker 6 (02:34:19):
Down Goes Anderson, Down, Goes Anderson. Ramirez went in with
a head first slide. Hosey never gets upset about anything.
They came up showing Anderson squared off Hosey dectum. It's

(02:34:41):
a five to one Chicago lead, but everybody from the
dugouts and the Bullpence congregated around second base. You never
see Jose Ramirez get upset like that.

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(02:35:20):
Steve Harbin, Rich Ornberger, Fox Sports Sunday, We are live
from the tai Iraq dot Com studios. We have a
legendary supporting cast on this show, starting with Iowa Sam spent. Yes,
Iowa Sam is well, he's been working a multitude of shifts.

Speaker 3 (02:35:41):
I am all over the place.

Speaker 2 (02:35:42):
He is all over the map, whether it's over night, days, nights,
it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (02:35:47):
He's sought after.

Speaker 2 (02:35:48):
He is really sought after. It's raving sleep schedule. And
it's okay, but you're okay, Yeah, I'm pushed through. Yes,
you're pushing it right through montc course, have you made
a final decision Moncey on acquiring tickets to see Taylor Swift,
no matter what the cost.

Speaker 9 (02:36:05):
I think I'm going to do it.

Speaker 8 (02:36:06):
I My friend finally responded, and she's like, Okay, all right,
I think I'm in.

Speaker 9 (02:36:10):
You know, you just have to swallow the amount of money.
You just got to accept it.

Speaker 2 (02:36:14):
Well, you've been working a lot of shifts as well.

Speaker 9 (02:36:16):
I have been working a lot of shifts.

Speaker 8 (02:36:17):
But you know, I was not expecting to get this
urge and itch to go to the Taylor Swift concert
forty eight hours ago.

Speaker 9 (02:36:25):
But you know here I am.

Speaker 2 (02:36:26):
I had an opportunity to see Elton John at Dodgers
Stadium in nineteen seventy five, seventy six. I thought you
were going to say this post and I wasn't willing
to part with I think I don't know twenty dollars
to go see the concert. I regret that to this day.
Do not make the same mistake. Bo here he is here.

Speaker 11 (02:36:44):
You guys know how Monsey got a nice little friend's
gift from Sam?

Speaker 1 (02:36:49):
How did he do?

Speaker 3 (02:36:51):
How did she go about acquiring this this whole Vision
T shirt?

Speaker 2 (02:36:54):
Do you know what? What's a little novelty it's a
little novelty thing.

Speaker 11 (02:36:58):
Do you guys know what Sam got me? But get
absolutely nothing? Nothing, nothing at all.

Speaker 2 (02:37:03):
Well he now when he when he handed the little box,
which was had enough scotch tape to wrap half the planet. Yes,
he said he likes to do this to a multitude
of people. So you he didn't want to say, well,
I'm just getting it for Moncie. So Sam, who else
has received like these little novelty gifts?

Speaker 10 (02:37:23):
Give us a list, Dan Byer, I got him this
little like desktop golf golfing sets with two little golf clubs,
a couple of little balls, and actually a little tiny
bag of sand and a putting green with a whole.
And I just like, listen when I see something, I'm like,
oh that speaks to me like this person would this
person would like this.

Speaker 3 (02:37:42):
I just get it. It's a little little present.

Speaker 1 (02:37:44):
Remember, I remember one time, but there's nothing.

Speaker 3 (02:37:47):
For both this time. But next time you went, you
went back home to Iowa and you came back with
with minor league baseball hats the whole crew.

Speaker 10 (02:37:55):
Yeah, I did that. That was actually quite a bit
of money I spent on all those hats.

Speaker 2 (02:38:00):
I'm glad. I'm so happy to that because you know what,
I can get one of those hats either.

Speaker 1 (02:38:06):
Might have gotten lost in the mail.

Speaker 3 (02:38:08):
He'll get a colonel's hat at some points.

Speaker 2 (02:38:09):
Yeah, I got a self invitation to my house from Iowa.

Speaker 10 (02:38:14):
Sam brought a nice bottle. There was Manzi's recommendation. I
went with the recommendation.

Speaker 1 (02:38:21):
MONSI still has never been invited never.

Speaker 2 (02:38:24):
No, not yet.

Speaker 10 (02:38:25):
But listen, I don't know. I do invite myself to
think sometimes that is you were more than well Bo.

Speaker 1 (02:38:32):
Was okay, so Moncey got the novelty thing, though.

Speaker 3 (02:38:34):
Bo. Have you been invited to the Hartman household either?

Speaker 1 (02:38:38):
Uh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:38:42):
Myself. Well, you have to, that's the way it works.

Speaker 11 (02:38:45):
There's no point in inviting me anywhere. I have a
one year old daughter at home. I don't get to
do anything anymore. Yeah, that's okay, give me a couple
of years, Richie. Still have to bring the boys to
the house.

Speaker 3 (02:38:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, we got to do a big swim
day with the with the kiddos.

Speaker 1 (02:38:58):
Yeah, maybe a little grilling, little chilling.

Speaker 2 (02:39:02):
Well you saw the setup. It's all there for you.

Speaker 3 (02:39:04):
Oh, it's all there. Yeah, it's no doubt about it.
All there.

Speaker 2 (02:39:06):
Yeah, you know, I just I know a lot of
people question how we incorporate a lot of food in
the show. Yeah, we always have. Yeah, yeah, what is
sort of universal? Have you noticed that.

Speaker 3 (02:39:19):
It's a big part of what I what I do. Yeah,
even when I'm on the air.

Speaker 2 (02:39:25):
Yes, I haven't heard many of your recent barbecue x.
Have you done much barbecuing this summer.

Speaker 3 (02:39:32):
Yeah. Actually, I just took a East Coast trip and
something I was involved with, which was a big throwback
for me because I haven't been cooking with propine in
a while. Is just standard burgers and dogs over a
propane grill. I mean, I don't know. I don't know
if anything beats that in terms of nostalgia. I grew

(02:39:52):
up on a propane grill. I didn't grow up on
the charcollar the wood smoker that I have now.

Speaker 2 (02:39:56):
But when you put on a Hamberger patty before you
put it down on a barbecue grip, you gotta.

Speaker 1 (02:40:00):
At very least you gotta go salt, pepper, and the little.

Speaker 2 (02:40:04):
Crust down there very very good. Oh I'm so hungry,
but we gotta go. This is Fox Sports Radio.

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