Steve Hartman & Geoff Schwartz Have Fun Going NFL Draft Heavy

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Ah, Yes, living the
dream once again here on a fabulous Saturday, Fox Sports Saturday.
Hartman and Schwartz with you. A rare treat today because
we are in the same studio together. Jeff Schwartz coming
back to his roots here in southern California, exiting Carolina.

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And how does it feel to be back home right now?
Look at you? You got the weather or son, you
got the T shirt on, you got your flip flops on,
You're looking very so called the weather as absolutely gorgeous
as usual. Um, and you know, I love being back here.
It's nice to be back home for a little bit. Um.
You know, I'm here because we have our Big Boys

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Club Season two are Offensive Line Show. It's out Sunday,
which will be tomorrow seven thirty Eastern on the Fox
Sports YouTube channel. Then we're gonna have it on FS
one Tuesday and Thursday. So I'm out here to Uh.
I saw a preview of it. It's it's awesome, it's wonderful.
It's fantastic. Um. And so just out here hanging out,
gonna go to dinner tonight with the wife. Um, We're

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gonna We're gonna brave Malibu with no reservations to see
what happens really well, I mean there's a lot of
places to go on Malibu. Where what are your choices?
I mean, I have not been to nobu in Malibu.
I feel like that's very trendy and mean, like we
talked about that last week, your bill for that. Yeah,

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So if I leave here, like, if I time everything out,
we could be there by five thirty probably right well,
and then if not, like, well, well we can make
our way further style we come back to Palisades and
eventually somewhere in Santa Monica will have a bar for
us to sit out. So it's spectacular. I mean, you
gotta beautiful, not like tonight here in so called no question,
it's gonna be a good time for Jeff and the misses. Well, Jeff,

(01:52):
I'm glad you're here now. With all due respect to
the uh NBA playoffs that are going on right now,
Major League base all off and running. Uh Stanley Cup
playoffs will beginning shortly. The large majority focus on our
show today is going to be on an event that
starts on Thursday. I don't know if anyone's heard about this.

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It's called the NFL Draft, and you know, Jeff, leading
up to this year's NFL Draft, because you don't have
quarterbacks at the top of the draft. You know, normally
at this time, whether it was a year ago with
Trevor Lawrence or most of the years, we got a
couple of quarterbacks are gonna meet Manning the first couple
of spots in the draft, and you know those are

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gonna be checked off. We don't have that going into
this year. I mean, we have a situation right now
where I am looking at mock drafts from a lot
of football people that I have a lot of respect for.
Guys that are doing you know, let's say, endless research
and trying to make phone calls get an idea of
who's going where, and they're all over the board, starting

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with the number one pick with Jacksonville. Right now, we're
not exactly sure who is going where. So let me
ask you this before we get into a little more
depth on this, Jeff, um, are we getting a clear
picture right now as we're just days away from the
NFL Draft or could we still see in a year
where we have eight teams with multiple first round picks. Meybing,

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there are eight teams without a first round pick. Could
we see some more moves shuffling the deck a little
bit before we get to Thursday. I don't think so.
I think the reason why, as you mentioned, the quarterbacks
just starting there right, and that really is why teams
move up and down the draft is get quarterbacks. I
saw Dana Jeremiah today, who know NFL Network, one of

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the best draft guys out there, tweet out like I
don't know what's gonna happen. And that's the way everyone's
at right now. Right there is um if you at
the very top of the draft, right there's been talking
for so many weeks about is it Cavon Thibodeaux, is
it Aidan Hunchardson? Is a Trayvon Walker from Georgia. Jacksonville
might say, hey, we want Evan Neil the offensive linement
from Alabama right there, because there's no quarterback at the top,
and there's no one who's gonna trade up for a

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quarterback either, and the lines at two right, Okay, Well,
if you take Evan Neil, we'll take a Hutchinson. If
you take and Huncheron will take Travon Walker. You know,
if you're a Houston at three. That's where the intrigue starts.
I think it's Houston at three because they could go
defensive end to go off at the tackle, they could
go corner. Um. You know. Four, the Jets are kind
of in the same spot. You know, whoever, whatever of

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the three pass rushers, hopefully you're still there, they'll take
the third one who's still there. Um if not wide receiver,
or it'll take a sauce gardener. I mean, like, there's
there's enough players in the top seven or eight ish
where maybe okay, taking that guy right, there's like not
a guy where I think you're like, shucks, we missed
out on that guy. Because at the Giants right at
five and seven, they need offensive lineman. They'll find one.

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They'll they'll be They'll be Iky will be there, Charles
Cross will be there, Evaniel will be there, and they'll
be happy with that. So the intrigue of like needing
a specific guy early in the draft is really not
there because there's not that quarterback. Now, let's talk about
Caroline at six with the quarterback. It's funny the more
we get to the draft, we're seeing things even out

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and months it was talked to Caroline, you know the quarterback,
and it's like why why what If you are Carolina,
you want to win now. The way to win now
is take an offensive tackle who is going to be great,
higher than the quarterback, and go get Baker Mayfield. Like
that's how you win? Okay, but let's let's let's I
love love that you're bringing up Carolina right at the top. Alright,

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So if you see a lot of the mock drafts,
a lot of them have can you pick it going
at number six and leek Willison, I'm saying, wait a
second here, you got a quarterback in Sam Donald who,
going into the eighteen draft four years ago was rated
by most as the best quarterback prospect, and a lot
of people were aghast when the Cleveland Browns dared take

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Baker Mayfield instead of Sam Donald. So Donald ends up
going to the Jets with the third overall pick. Do
you honestly as we see it right now? Even with
the struggles of Sam Donald, which by the way, are
understandable considering he started his career with the Jets and
he goes to Caroline, he doesn't have a healthy McCaffrey.
What exactly do they have around this guy? But can

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you tell me, right now, there's a quarterback in this
draft that has a better skill set than Sam Donald.
I think you can make the case that Malik Willis
has a better arm than Sam Donald. That doesn't make
him a better quarterback. He just has a better arm.
And that's and your point is is very pointnant, because
we got to the point of drafting quarterbacks now where

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you look for elite traits and you hope you can
figure it out. Josh Allen was the best example. He's
the outlier by the way, he's the outlier. Or even
justin Herbert Right who who had made good plays in
college and I always contended just needed to play NFL offense.
You're trying to find, you know, Joe Burrow, right is,
Joe Burrow's elite trade is not his arm, it's his mind, right,
It's his ability to move in the pocket and his
ability to bring out the best and everyone else. Um,

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And there's no one in this draft outside of Willis
who has sort of those elite physical traits. But the
problem with Willis is that he played um you know,
he played big boy schools twice. Didn't play well UM
limited offense, smaller six ft tall type of guy like
not as physically big as Josh Allen. So your point
is is well taken because if you're Carolina and you

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take Picket at six or Malik Willis, you're probably not
getting an elite enough player to to make it worth
it to get rid of Sam Donald. You might have
a guy that might be better than Sam Donald, but
like it's one or two wins. Well, But you also
have anything coach on the hot seat, which is why
we saw the Bears last year with the coach on

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the hot seat and they go with Justin Fields and
you figure, all right, he's gonna get time because he's
bringing in a rookie that's gonna go through the growing pains.
How did that work for him? No, it didn't work well.
And I think the role another four or something even
if he starts a rookie quarterback. You're right, and that's

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why I think the option is the Baker Mayfield option is.
I don't think Baker's the late quarterback, but he'll win
you nine or ten games if he's healthy, Like, he
can win you games. And in the right now in
the South, you have Marcus Mariota in Atlanta, you have
Jami's Winston New Orleans and you have Tom Brady obviously,
like you can win four of those games. You can
beat Atlanta twice, New Orleans twice, you might lose to
Tampa twice. UM, and that puts you kind of in

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that spot to win eight to ten games, and that
keeps Matt Rule's job. Now. Is Baker Mayfield for be
the long term social Do you want to pay him
on a second contract? Probably not um, but he gives
you the win now. But you the problem with the
win now though, is that again, if you're not gonna
extend Baker Mayfield, then you're in the same spot next
year of me and a quarterback. And that's the hard

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part about all of this is you want to find
a guy that you can have long term, right, So
if you but but then you also have the way
Matt Rule does of my job status, right because you
would ideally say, okay, we'll suck again this year. We'll
we'll we'll drop to Offen the tackle at six, who
can be your left tackle in the future. We'll fix
up some other things on our team, and we'll win
six games again with Sam Donald and then next year

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we'll try to get a better quarterback. But Matt was fired.
If he does that, right, that's my whole point. Look
at he all right through Brady under the bus, right,
I mean he got rid of him, he was laid
him out as to blame for Carolina's struggles offensively. Um,
you know, really before we even get into some of
the dynamics, and I really want to break this down
on our show today, position by position, because I know

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you're all over this, Jeff and breaking it all down here.
But just before we even get to the quarterback prospects
in this draft, we still have unresolved business as far
as two quarterbacks are concerned, in Baker Mayfield and Jimmy Garoppolo. Now,
my guest on Jimmy Garoppolo right now is is that
the forty Niners are gonna release Jimmy Garoppolo. My my,

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from what I've been talking to a number of people,
there's there's not enough there. No one's really gonna trade
from the Seattle Seahawks are just sitting there waiting because
you don't know. Obviously the forty Niners are gonna trade
Jimmy Garoppolo to the Seahawks, nor the Seahawks are gonna
make a deal the Seahawks are just sitting there right now.

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They got the ninth overall pick in the draft. They're
projected to take a quarterback, but they won't if they
can sign a free agent release Jimmy Garoppolo. Now, if
the forty Niners, let me ask you this, do you
believe there will be some resolve in the status of
Baker Mayfield and or Jimmy Garoppolo before Thursday's draft? No?

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After the draft, that's when this gets sorted out, because
teams that miss on quarterbacks will try to get those wells.
Then you have Caroline in Seattle. At n they roll
the dice and pass on quarterbacks, assuming that they're gonna
get a Baker Mayfield or Jimmy Garoppolo. I think the
Carolina particularly who would benefit from Baker Mayfield, might call

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Cleveland and sort of have a thing that's in the works,
and then Friday after the first round we hear about it,
or even during the draft we hear about it. Um.
But the one concerned left with that is the contract.
Eighteen million dollars a year, right, bigger he's gonna have
to play for less well, and Jimmy Garls even a
bigger contract and Here's the thing about it too, is

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you can have a standoff because I think the Browns
you can't carry Baker mayfeel on the roster this year,
absolutely can't. If you cut him, there's gonna be half
the NFL that wants him as a backup. So then
the Panthers are competing against everyone else to bring him in.
And if you go trade for him, then you have
him obviously immediately, and so there's gonna be a little
bit of like figuring out, I think what to do there.

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All right, we'll get back to the quarterbacks a little bit.
But suddenly there's another position that is very much in
the spotlight right now in the NFL, wide receiver. Deebo
Samuel h go down the list of elite receivers in
the NFL that are looking for bigger deals even if
they have to go elsewhere, and where does that put

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us in a draft that is featuring a lot of
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the draft. Again, thirty two picks. Eight teams have multiple picks,
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will be a first in NFL draft history. All right, Jeff,
we don't have to wait to Thursday. Don't break this down.
I want to go to the wide receiver position because
suddenly all hell is broken loose at wide receiver. I

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got before we get to the draft, and there's I've
seen some mock drafts with as many as seven wide
receivers taken in the first round. Uh and before we
even get names out there. I just want to get
your quick overview on value of position. Where does wide
receiver rate as you are formulating the jigsaw of the

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salary cap and where you want your money invested, Where
exactly is wide receiver on your list? I feel like
the wide receiver is one of those positions that once
you kind of have left tackle, pass rusher and corner
and quarterback obviously figured out that's where you go next. Right. Um,
It's it's becoming increasingly more important to win with one
of those guys. But the top pay guys though, aren't

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always the ones on the championship teams, right, And so
it's kind of finally, like Cooper Cup just had recently,
I don't want any more money. I'm good like I'm
good where I'm at. Um. All the other wide receivers
want to strangle him from saying that, correct, um, but
they need to because of the game is so pass heavy.
You need to have one, right like you can't and

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and unless you're Tom Brady and you just get by
with none of them, but you need to have them.
The question is whether and the Chiefs are gonna be
proved with this this year. If you give up Tyreek
Hill and you surround your offense with instead of one
Tyreek Hill. You know, you spend that money on three
good wide receivers, whether or not your offense can function
at the same level. I think by year's end their

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offense will be at the top of efficiency. Again. Now,
well it have doesn't make supposed to plays, probably not UM,
but it'll be efficient, it will work. And so that's
where I think, like, what what matters for for wide
receiver and UM. But then you get into where we're
going with this conversation, right, like Deebo Samuel. All right,
So Terry McLaren, you got a J. Brown, you got

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Deebo Sammue. Al Right, let's let's start with Deebo. All right.
So I'm talking to people friends of mine that work
on the forty Niners broadcast and have been around the
forty niners. And here's the feedback. I just, you know,
interviewed a guy a couple of days ago. Here's what
he says about Deebo Sammuel. If you take away the
running back dynamic that made Deebo Samuel the buzz of
the NFL, and he is not an elite receiver of

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the level of a Cooper Cup, Davante Adams, Tyreek Hill.
He's not that. His versatility and the unique way that
they used him in the offense made him a star.
But if he is driving to become just a wide receiver,
he is not at the level of these otherwide receivers.

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So when you're talking about Deebo Samuel, it's it's sort
of a catch twenty two of them right now, Jeff,
because playing him at running back as much as the
forty Niners did in one, if he continues to do that,
guess what, he's gonna have a shortened career because running
backs don't have long careers in the NFL. About three
and a half years is the average length of a

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running backs career in the NFL. So if you use
them more and more in that running back spot, it's
going to shorten his career. But if you take that
away from his game, what kind of value does he
actually have. So we're hearing rumors down about some teens
that might be interested in the debil deal for Deebo Samuel.
The forty Niners are saying they don't want to trade him.
They got money ready for him. Although now all of

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a sudden, Diebo Samuel and his agent are raised in
the bar. So, if you're the forty Niners right now,
what decision are you making on Diebo Samuel? So, Deebo
had had a good year as a wide receiver this
past season. Um, obviously what makes him special er or
more elite is the running back ability, and I get
what he doesn't want to do that running backs, as
you mentioned, shorter shelf life, all those things are all true.

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And then Niners are looking at Debo and saying, hey man,
we have this for more than one year. Like if
you look at his numbers, it's one season. It's not
even really the full season. This year that we got
that full Debot, it was like the last ten weeks
in the playoffs. And I are like, look, man, we'll
pay you, but we're not giving you twenty seven million
dollars a year for thirteen games that you've produced for us.

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We want to see a little bit more. And I
understand Debot. He wants to and and there's just a
lemma where I run into because of a former player.
I want everyone to get paid, but I'm also an
analyst of the sport, like I can say, hey man,
I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't give him the money yet,
just because he's had one season or this Um, and
I get why the Niners aren't doing this. You give

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up a first round pick for Deebo Samuel Um. Again,
it depends where you are, as if you're the Packers, right, yes, okay,
But if you're a team like the top half of
the draft, would you give up a first round pick
in the top half of the draft because you have
told then pay him to That's part of it too.
So you give up a first round pick a wide
receiver you can get in this draft for five years

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of control at a cheaper salary. And we're seeing by
the way, you know, justin Jefferson, Jamaar Chase, we've seen
you guys come in right away his rookies and play
really well. So if you're one of these teams the
top of the draft, you absolutely cannot give up a
first round pick. If you're the Packers, Chiefs should not
do it at all either. But you know, maybe the
Packers are in on it, but otherwise you just can't

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do it all. Right, what about mclauren, what about Brown?
One of those guys have trade values? Should they get well,
Terry McLaurin, they need to sign him. I mean, he
is good, He's been good playing with poor quarterbacks. And
now you get him Carson Wentz and you you have
to You need Carson Wentz to have someone right like
he needs to He needs to have someone to throw too. A. J.

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Brown is interesting because you know he's in a in
a run first offense, right. Um, if you put it
in the past first offense, is he the same player?
Is he the same productive? I don't know, because again,
when you play Tennessee, you are worried about stopping the
run sometimes first and not and not the pass options.
And there's a lot of explosive pass plays in that
offense because of that reason, right, And so if he

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goes somewhere else, um, are you doing that? I think
the most fascinating thing to look at right now is
but the Packers in chiefs just had to happen, right,
So the Packers were willing to pay Davante Adams. He
just didn't want to stay, and they're like, okay, cool. Now,
could they have convinced him to stay with X warm dollars? Probably?
But you know, okay cool. He always reunited with his

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college teammate Derek. No one, no one dreams of that anymore.
But nonetheless, okay, and then the Chiefs and then the Chiefs,
and the Chiefs just said, okay, Tyreek Kill like you
were treating you. So you have two teams that have
done a lot of winning and had good offense to say,
you know what, we're kind of not paying these guys
right now. And we have other teams that haven't done
much winning that are paying wide receivers. And I wonder

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if there's a gonna be a little bit of a
trend backwards, like we're not gonna we're not paying someone
what receiver anymore. Well, you mentioned the Packers would pass
on a Deebo Sam, what about the Chiefs. I mean,
the Chiefs the same publicly that they have no interest in.
But this gets back to the idea Tyreek Hill. If

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you want exactly point that exactly the point. I mean,
they did get a pretty good haul for Tyreek Hill
obviously a wide receiver, but yeah, if you really want
that kind of receiver, you would have kept Tyreek Hill
in the first place. But that gets back to the
whole idea, who makes suit quarterback make the receivers. Receivers
make the quarterback. We'll get into some of that, plus

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some of the top names in a very deep wide
receiver draft. But first, let's find out what's trending right
now as we welcome in Mr David Gascon and how
about Schwartz in the house today. David properly dressed alike,
hit nice and cash. He's got his sust the pull
on Ducks Oregon Duck spring game right here, he's watching

(22:03):
spring game. Yeah, he's watching the spring game. You can't
be that bored with Steve Harman, can you very very
important research for the season. What he's in search of
a quarterback? It's really what he's ards already. Really, well,
it's a spring game. I'm not gonna get too excited. Yeah.
Do you think they're gonna do the Pac twelve this year? Uh,

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they're gonna it's probably gonna be Utah Oregon USC in
the order of finishes. Yeah, well, I asked him. I
was You know, first of all, when you have a
fifteenth year starting quarterback in DTR, he's coming back again
and again and again. The guy never leaves. You would
think that it's going to be a great advantage, not

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many coach quarterback combos get five seasons together, and if
Chip Kelly does have an ounce of offensive creativity. Darian
Thompson Robinson has been a second team All Packed twelve
choice the last couple of years. I expect him in
the highst been chased this year, Jeff Right possibly, But um,
the Bruins are They have just easy nonconference schedule that

(23:07):
they're gonna win a lot of games because of that. Yeah,
they did play Alabama State that it's Alabama State South
Alabama and won some max school home and then they
obviously the packtwel South isn't as good as the North.
They get they get organ I think again in the crossover.
But nonetheless, do you believe in my weekly Heisman updates
at any point Dorian Thompson Robinson is going to be
mentioned by me in night top three? No? Oh, okay,

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so that's a promise kept right there. That's interesting. Now,
the Pac Pac twelve North, do you think that's gonna
be better than the pactwelve South? Um? No, because you
have USC in Utah on the south and North is
I think it's pretty much Organs to lose. I mean,
Washington has a new coach New Cord new quarterback. Um

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Organ State just not it is looking for a running
back after losing their elite running I'm not worried about
Travis d being gone. That's not he I'm did not
concerned me. We have running backs. I'm all worried about that.
Is he even gonna start at USC? Do you have
the first carries today in spring game? That would be
one of three? Do you look at Lincoln Riley for
the last hand full of years he used the plethora

(24:15):
of backs. I mean, do you expect Lincoln Riley? They
just completely steamroll this conference. Well, so the USC spring
game is on right now. Their defense was spotted twenty
one points and their defense is already losing in the
second quarter. That tells you where they're offensive defense. I
think we saw today from USC again spring game, exactly
what they're gonna be. They're gonna be explosive in the

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past game running the football, a little tough today and
their defense is not gonna be any good. So you know,
eventually they have to go to Utah this year. Good
luck not being able to. By the way, you know, David,
I don't know if you've heard, but a lot of
money is being put down on U Taught State to
win the national championship. Yeah, Jeff, you have heard this right,

(24:58):
This money coming down in Utah State to win the
national championship in college football. It was a big story,
like what did you read this? Do you guys ever
read No? You're right, No, you're right. It's the story
has been out there. You're exactly right. Are putting their money?
Three three people waged like a thousand dollars each. There

(25:21):
is okay. I thought it was like people running to
the sports books and laying down some heavy cash on there.
It is Utah State national championship. Oh boy, I'll take
San Diego State over Utah State. Well, I hope. So
maybe that new UH stadium they have San Diego is
gonna help. Ye can't hurt, can't hurt, can't hurt. Um, guys,

(25:41):
lots of things to discuss today. Raptors is gonna force
the game five. They just won. They beat Philadelphia one
ten to one oh two. Gary Trent Junior along with
Pascal siak And did the heavy lifting, had twenty four points.
Trent had twenty four. Joel and beat Nurse in the
bath thumb at twenty one and a losing cause Major
League East Baul Yankees walked off on the Guardians. But

(26:02):
how about this, the players are all coming off the field.
I don't blame the Indians if people have got to
stop throwing things. But did left field? They did it
right field, and the Yankees went out there holding up
their hands, holding up their arms and their hands like
stop stop. So the Yankees are just coming off. You

(26:23):
don't want to see that. That ruined a fabulous Yankee
comeback and assentily did. This is on the heels of
what Steve Hartman, Sandy Go Padre fans did last night
to Cody Bellinger the Dodgers after they got pummeled embarrassed.
It's not I didn't come up with this theory, but
I think that once a year, every athlete in pro

(26:43):
sports gets to have one time to assault a fan
in the crowd, like if you if you throw, I
got to go. I get to go up there and
I get to punch you one time. One time assault
like that, you have to do one exact time. It
would't happen again. We have to isolate that fan because
I imagine a fan of a sudden, other fans might
jump into the Fray, Lincoln Kennedy, you just like you

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just you call him out on the field and you
just go at it. Yeah, but what happens that the
player gets his ass kicked, then that's embarrassing for them.
And I don't know how to tell him, but like you,
that would stop immediately, right, Like the the idea that
that you know, you can throw things at an athlete. No,
I don't mind the mean words like whatever he cussed
an athlete, like they they're fine, but like throwing stuff
at athletes, like come on, guys, batteries, bottles, spitting on,

(27:29):
spitting on it was like, okay, you want to spit
on the all right, come on down, here's my one
free pass for the year. And the fans added to this.
I spend a ton of money on this game, and
then you can let me do what I want to do.
I just I'm perplexed by this because we don't live
in the eighties and nineties, so all these people are
throwing stuff, it's point blank. And on top of that,

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we live in the digital world, so all of this
is caught on camera. You're like, you're never coming back
to Yankee Stadium ever again. Well, that's that's the second, right,
It's just they hit a numpire. They hit a numpire too.
I mean, that's getting back. So this is bad. This
is really bad. Well, first of all, I've always maintained
umpires should be eliminated permanently from baseball. They have no
bully well, they have no purpose. You're not calling, not

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calling fouls, are not calling penalties. All it is is ball, strike, safe, out, fair, foul.
All of that can be done electronically. There's no need
for umpires. Men need well being a bully. They're protected class.
And they got hit in the back with a beer
can maybe back at eighteen nine spy Day and age.
They don't need them. Guys. That mcgull cabret, part of

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the three thousand club, did that today for the Tigers,
and they steamrolled Colorado thirteen to nothing. So right is that?
And I continue my long gone saga of not saying
any bad things about the state of Iowa anymore. All right,
well you said, okay, we're straining her said thank um,
thank you very much. By the way, we'll talk about

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that Cabre three thousand tip coming up here a little
bit later on. But I want to fall all up
here as we've been talking and we'll be talking over
the next couple of hours plenty about the NFL Draft.
By the way, Adam Kaplan is going to join us
in a couple hours. Are Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider?
All right? So wide receiver Jeff looking at some of
the names out here. Obviously you saw plenty of Drake

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London at USC before he went down with a season
any injury. Speaking of injuries, Jamison Williams went down with
an a C L in the championship game. He got
the Ohio State twins there, Garrett Wilson, Chris A. Lava,
You got Dotson at Penn State. So again, when you're
thinking about these wide receivers and whether or not you
pay them huge money as opposed to diving into the

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draft and getting somebody on a rookie deal for a
lot less money, is that a better option for these
teams that are looking for help and wide receiver. I
think it is. Um. I think that you know you
you might trade for a Debot or a j Brown
or or Terry mccorn after the draft, right, you see
what you can get early in the draft, like if
you're Kansas City, for example, unless just say I'll use

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them examples. They need a wide receiving where the Packers
and you get to where you're picking in the first
round and there's just no wide receiver there, like you can't.
In my opinion, you should never overdraft to like at
that position in the draft, like like they're good teams,
go get yourself a pass rusher. And let's say they
just strike out on wide receivers in the first couple
of rounds. Okay, call Washington up. Call again. I wouldn't

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trade for Deebo House the Chiefs, but call the Niners
up and add to your team that way. Um, Now,
that's how I think those veteran teams that might need
a guy who might miss in the draft end up
doing it. But look, the wide receiver depth is is
strong as here. If you don't get one at the
top of the first round, the Chiefs have the fiftie picked,
there might be a guy there as well. Um, the
Packers the same thing. Right. You might look at and

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where they're picking and said, I think that what they're
twenty Niners somewhere on there, and you might say, hey,
look we like this wide receiver, but this defensive end
is here. Man or this corners here, Let's go get
that guy and then we'll come back hit the wide
receiver later in the draft. So, um, this is the
fun part about the draft. Is I study more. It's this,
you know, kind of like value best player where where

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where we're going with with our picture. Here's a concern
I have about wide receiver. And you've seen a pattern
in recent years. Right, we're guys come into the league
with a big splash. Odell Beckham Jr. Right comes to
the Giants. Suddenly it's like an overnight superstar. Go back
to Chat Johnson, A k H. Chad Ocho, Sinko. They
get off through these big starts and then they get

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into what should be some prime years in the middle
of their career and there's a drop off in their production.
I've seen this time and again at the wide receiver position.
Now you've got you know, the two l s U kids,
Jason Jefferson, you know, come in the league boom. We
even saw Randy Moss in the middle of his career
where all of a sudden he fell off the map,

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first to Minnesota. Then the Raiders are vitalized obviously when
he ends up in New England, with Tom Brady, I
just do not look at wide receiver as a must
fill position. I think there's always a rare talent always,
there's always a Jerry Rice or something along those lines.

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But to me, it's the quarterback that really is the
dynamic that makes a wide receiver. And we saw that
in full display in New England with Tom Brady when
they had these cast offs like a Wes Welko or
or Julian Edelman. You know, these nondescript guys that suddenly
got recognized as elite receivers in the league. He revitalized

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Randy Moss's career. I mean this, there's a pattern here
where you see these receivers. They may go to a
different team and then they just disappear because they don't
have the quarterback that can actually get them the ball. Well,
we won't know by the end of this season. Why
that's true for Tyreek Hill and Davante Adams, right, is

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you've now downgraded and quarterback. Are you going to be better?
Is Tyreek Hill going to be the same receiver? He won't?
All Right, So you got Mike Daniel down there in
Miami's recognized as a pretty creative offense. And they their
run usage in San Francisco. If that follows the same
pattern in Miami, will just make him less valuable. They

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won't use him as much as they did in Kansas City.
Right if they run I think the honors of the
second highest run rate last year. So if they don't
throw the ball as many times, he has less opportunities
to be the exposed to player he was in Kansas City.
Now you have a quarterback who's not doesn't have the
same arm strength, doesn't have the ability to you know,
a lot of the plays that Tyreek Hill has, the
explosive pass plays are broken place right Pat Mahomes scrambling out,

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he goes off his back foot thirty years and that's
not what two is. So now you're gonna have to
be more in rhythm in the offense, and there's playing
opportunities for short you know, short pass and go down
the field. But there's not gonna be He's not gonna
have the same effect on the game he had in
Kansas City. But they have battle as well in Miami,
who average less than ten yards of reception last year.

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By the way, well because of a two. In my opinion,
I'm just saying like you're in You're now in an
offense that's not gonna be the same as what they did.
He can't see. I remember Tyreek Kill was also good
with Alex Smith, so he might be the one where
he's good and he's good at Miami, but not the
same just because he's in different offense. All right. On
the other side, a milestone in Major League Baseball is

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mcguel Cabrera joins the three thousand hit club and just
the seventh player to have over three thousand hits and
five home runs in his career. Are we gonna see
players approach those types of numbers anytime soon? We got
the answer coming up. Next swing there it is base

(34:37):
hit the right field meadows goes to third and history
has been made. Everybody out of the Tiger's dug app
now to celebrate with mcguel Cabrera, the first Venezuelan born

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to collect three thou UoN hits in Major League Baseball.
That was the Tigers Radio Network Today's Miguel Carbrera became
the thirty third player major League Baseball history to get
to three thousand career hits. He is just the seventh
player to have three thousand hits and five home runs.

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You were shocked about your Bloodberry bonds. Was he did
not have three thousand hits? Short maybe Ruth did not
have three thousand hits. So it's a great accomplishment. And
Williams did not have three thousands post here's the thing.
Those guys also walked a lot, also missed four years
in career. Um. No, it's a great accomplishment. I love
that he did it just opposite field, single, yeah, like

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like just how you guys used to hit right And
ironically Tigers win this game thirteen nothing. The kid that
he's so he's on base and then he scores on
a three run home by the kid that replaced him
as the first base when they using Miguel as a
d H This year, last year of his contract, probably
the end of his career. So I'm looking at these

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numbers right now, Jeff, these milestones, you know, three thousand hits,
five hundred home runs, and I'll be honest with you,
looking at where active players are right now on these
all time list. The next player that is going to
be part of that three thousand hit, five hundred home
run club the combination is not playing Major League baseball

(36:22):
right now. If it ever happens again, I mean you'll
think about Mike Trout right injured last year, he's injured
again this year. Mike Trout is a long way away
from these He's they're not even halfway to three thousand hits.
He's thirty years old. He's got, you know, over three
hundred home runs. He's a long way from five hundred

(36:43):
home runs. So even a superstar talent like Mike Trout,
and then there's just the motivation to play that long.
I mean, you have to play a long career. Do
the math. If you play twenty years and you average
a hundred and fifty hits a year for twenty years,

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there you go, there's your three thousand. How many you
need a year? A hundred and fifty years on average
for twenty years. I was looking at some younger players,
like I was watching the Nationals and Giants like un Soto.
Just he had two years he was hurt, he'd be
on path for that. I mean, he's got a hundred
and one home runs, he's got five hundred hits, but

(37:24):
he was hurt for two years. So achime me for one.
And also with the amount of money they're making, jiff.
I mean, seriously, if you're making thirty forty million dollars
a year, if you're a superstar player in baseball, that's
where we're already at and that's where we're going. How
motivator are you to grind out twenty years? If you
got hundreds of millions of dollars and I think I
think you can you keep playing until you can't. I

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don't know why that would change, right, I just do
not see and looking at active players right now unless
you're talking about I mean, look at Fernando Tatis Jr.
Where the pod rates already hurt again. I mean I
think you can make a for like someone like like
uh like vlag Guarrero Jr. Right, I mean he's he's

(38:06):
what alright, call me when the guy gets to two
hundred home runs in a thousand, I mean he's got
he's his fourth start of us, fourth year, his two
full seasons, he's had uh hits last year and his
first kind of full full season runs. I mean that
obviously he kept out of a long I mean, what's
amazing right now obviously got pooh holes at the top

(38:28):
of these lists. Since he continues on with his career
but outside of pool holes in Cabrera with the three
thousand hits, there's only three hundred three other active players
that have two thousand hits. Robinson Cano has got twenty
hundred plus, but you know he's not gonna make the
three thousand yadda, and Morolina barely has twenty one hundred hits,
and Joey Vado is hitting like one hundred this year

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for the Reds barely has two thousand hits. So it's
gonna be a long time, I mean a long time
if ever, that we're gonna see another player eclipse three
housand hits. Uh mcal Cabrera obviously one of the great
careers in Major League history. I mean you look at
some of the numbers in his hey day, four time
American League Batting Champion, the only player, the only player

(39:12):
since nineteen sixties seven to win a Triple Crown that
year with the Detroit Tigers. No doubt Magee is one
of the all time greats. Do you do you feel
how do you feel about players hanging on, you know,
to attain certain career goals like a Cabrera has been
hanging on the last couple of years. He's under contracts.
It wasn't like they had to extend his deal. But

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let's face it, he's not the same player that he
was five years ago. Not if you know, are you
okay with that? Well? You know, I kind of feel
like you earned the right to go out how you
want if your Hall of Famer, right, and and if
if the team agrees with letting you do that. I mean,
obviously you want to win. And but special Tokalson's ready now.
He wasn't in the team three years ago. They didn't

(39:56):
have his replacement. Now they do and can move well
like that's what it is. So, um, I'm okay with that.
I mean everyone sort of does that. But Hall of
famers should be allowed to go out how they want,
in my opinion, especially when you've been at one place
the entire career and he want a title. There By
the way, he is hitting three oh eight this year,
twelve for thirty nine. He's off to a pretty decent start.

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But a milestone day in his twentieth season as a
major League baseball player, Miguel Cabrera getting to three thousand hits.
All right, we're gonna get back to our focus today,
which is going to be the upcoming NFL Draft, which
is on Thursday. Uh, big first round, and of course
we get a little deeper into this draft. Offensive line

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always a focus, but could we see an offensive lineman
at the very top of the draft. We'll have an
update coming up next. Well, we're rolling along once again
here on this Fox Sports Saturday, Hartmann and Schwartz together
in studio today, brought to you by one of our

(40:58):
favorite cities, Lots Vegas, the greatest arena on Earth. Planier
trip today at visit Las Vegas dot com. Jeff, I
would imagine in the countdown to the draft, you're you're
very busy man right now. Do you got a lot
of things going on getting ready for the draft. Well,
we are the Big Boys Club, which would be out

(41:19):
on tomorrow night with the five offensive alignment. Um, I
will be I have my radio shown till draft actually
be in Dallas, and then my buddy has an event
look at a bar. I'm gonna just go hang out
and watch it. I mean, I don't I've I don't
have a draft show to do. I've taped a bunch
of little hits for draft picks, so when they get

(41:39):
draft to do. Here my takes on it um. But
by like now, there's not much else to do. We've
said what we want to say. We've we've ranked everyone
where they where they're gonna be ranked, and now it's
a matter of figuring out obviously what happens at one
end up. Following the betting markets typically helps with that.
I mean, Adan Hudginson right now still the leader. I
remember when Baker Mayfield, you know that that night before

(42:00):
the draft he became the betting favorite, and you know,
Vegas knows man, and so uh they'll know who who
Jackson was gonna take first. Then we go from there.
But I will be um in Dallas. I I have
to laugh when I think about where we are now
with the NFL draft. Can you imagine when I worked
for the Raiders in the aedies. You know what the
NFL draft was like. In those days. You had twelve rounds,

(42:21):
by the way, twelve rounds, not seven rounds. You had
twelve rounds and the NFL Draft, and so as the
picks are being made, uh, my job was to write
the names on a board, like literally physically write them
on a board. We had no computers in those days,
nothing like that, so you would just write the name down,
and most of the guys you never heard of, Right,

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You're like, well, who is this guy? Uh? Because there
were no draft guys. There was nothing. There was no Internet,
there was no way to research these guys. And then
you just whole pay Maybe I heard of the guy
he was an All American, but otherwise really anonymous out there.
But from that to where we are all these years later,
when it's become this huge event. Remember a couple of

(43:03):
years ago in Nashville and they had what half a
million people in the streets and it was boring rain
just to be there in the presence of the NFL Draft.
It's just it's just mind blowing. The NFL owns this.
I mean, they owned this time of year because of
the draft. It's a lot of fun because I think,
better than any other sport, the NFL gives you hope. Right,

(43:25):
we'll watch NBA playoffs right now. I don't even know
who's having a lottery yet. Who was the first pick?
I don't know. It doesn't matter from discussion. Um, you
know there's very few Lebrons. Right when you drafted Lebron,
all of a sudden, you're franchise. I mean, Zion was
supposed to be that guy right that hasn't worked out
for the Pelicans this year. Um, and they made the
playoffs without him. I mean, like maybe adding him back

(43:46):
with helpful. In the baseball draft, I mean, those guys
take eight years come with the big leagues. Um. But
in the NFL, there's a real hope that you know
your draft pick if you are a team that needs
a wide receiver off he's the he's the missing piece.
And we see it in Jamaar Chase last year right
where he comes in the Bengals. Also the offense takes off.
So the NFL has that hope that fans love. Well.

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This is an interesting test in viewership for the draft
because it's always sexy when you have quarterbacks going high
in the draft. We have five quarterbacks going the first
was it five last year? Five quarterbacks in first round?
That is not going to be the case. In fact,
we'll get to exactly where we are projecting some of
these quarterbacks in the draft. But is it as sexy
a draft when he got offensive lineman and their names

(44:34):
going off the board early in this draft? Now? All right,
so I want to I want to break down some
of these offensive line positions with you, and let's let's
start at offensive tackle right now. So you look at
Jacksonville and we've been hearing Ikuana, we've heard Neil as
possibilities of going number one overall. Where do you rate
those two guys in terms of draft order the way

(44:59):
they should be drafted? So I have Neil ahead of
of Ikey from NTE stage for a couple of reasons.
One is that Neil is a better pass protector now,
which is important. I think we go back to last
year's draft. We had pinas Sewell and we had Rashawn Slater,
and pinas Sewell was the had the more flashy film.
He was the better run blocker. He was more explosive
in space and he just looked apart and Rashawn Slater

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um well good, good run blocker, but great pass protection.
I think we look at this draft and these guys,
in my opinion, not as good as those two guys.
But Evan Neil is the better pass picker. Ikey is
the better run blocker. Like his ability to run block
is maybe the best of any offense time in this draft.
But his pass protection he oversets too much. He gets
been inside. It's a concern, and there are teams of
you him as a guard, so that takes him off

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being drafted in the top five in my opinion. Um,
So I think to me, I would take Neil first,
and then Ikey would be second, and then it would
be probably Charles Cross into Trevor Penning. All right. So
I have seen mock drafts well, either one of those
guys as a top overall pick to Jacksonville. Obviously Aidan
Hutchinson has been part of that on the edge. I

(46:05):
know you're a big tivityo guy, and he's all over
the map. We'll get into him a little bit later on.
I've even seen Trayvon Walker as a possible number one
overall pick. All right, So you're Jacksonville right now, you're
Doug Peterson. You're trying to get the bad taste out
of your mouth from Urban Meyer. You are literally starting
from scratch. You have to start building this team. You've
got a quarterback that has obviously the skill set to

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be an elite quarterback in this league. What move are
you making? Because even Doug Peterson said today, we cannot
screw up this pick. We cannot screw up this number
one overall pick. This has to be not just some
guy that's gonna be a guy in the lineup for
ten years. This guy needs to be a perennial pro bowler.
He needs to be a dominant player. So what would

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you say would be the safest player to pick for
Jacksonville if indeed they're looking for that level of player.
The safest is probably Aidan Hutchinson from Michigan. You know,
he's the most skilled pass rusher. Um. He tested well
at the Combine, But I don't know if he'll ever
be the the athlete that, like a Cavon Thibodeau, Travon

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Walker will be. But he's the most ready now. Now
is it not justn't gonna be an all pro? I
don't know. I I don't think it's the brothers, No,
I don't think so. But he's he's the most ready now.
Travon Walker is really a fascinating case because he has
nine sacks and three years at Georgia, and that's minimal

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production for a guy you're drafting one. Overall, he had
a great combine. He plays the run well, he hustle all,
he does all the intangible things you want, But where's
the pass rush app It's interesting because the team's teams
like Travon Walker. They like his attitude, they like his mindset.
They're like, you went to Georgia all those things, and
they excuse. At least we've heard the excuse as well.
George's defensive asked him to do very much, and well, okay.

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Then we look at Cavon Tibodeaux at Oregon, and his
production is far better than Travon Walker, but you know
he's arrogant and he's this and that. We no, No,
the thing on Thibodeau though, as they say he takes
plays off. No, that's not that's not what it is.
People are miscountinggorizing it. What happened last year was after
he heard his ankle against First State the first game

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and by the way, in the first play of the game,
first the first drive of the game he had um
a he had a pressure and then the very next
drive in a strip stack for a touchdown. Then he
got hurt. Then he missed three or four weeks, came
back and you could tell after that he wasn't gonna
run down field and like jeopardize getting hurt again because
in the front first one the game, he got hurt

(48:39):
down the field like he was trying to make a
place someone roll on his legs um and it was
very clear he wasn't just gonna he wasn't gonna do
that anymore. He wasn't. Now is that lack of effort,
I guess. But there's also places where other guys don't
do that, and we have just chosen um kivon Thibodeau
because they don't like his arrogance and they don't like
that he has a life out of foot sides of
football to knock his to knock played on the field. Well,

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let me ask you this five years so now, who's
gonna be a better player Thibodeaux or Hutchinson. I mean
Tibodeau will be. He has more ability, He has a
much higher upside. So you said the safetist pick is
Aidan Hutchinson, But the better pick would be tip at
the top in four or five years. Yeah, but I
just don't I don't think that the Jacksonville can take
that chance because he might take longer to become That

(49:24):
guy's gotta work on his hand. I mean, there is
think about it is so so much. Some people talked
about this off the field stuff with Caitlin Thibodeaux. Don't
talking about the on field stuff he's gonna work on.
He's gonna be a better, better pass rushers. He just
hands better. But the excuses we used for Trayvon Walker, oh,
he was asked to do that. Calon Timbeaux Organ dropped
in coverage eight to ten times a game. He played

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Sam liebacker, he played inside on rundowns like he wasn't
asked to rush the pastor either. And so we we
pick and choose what excuses we use based on if
we like the guy or not. And that's the part
about the draft complex I don't like. But it's human nature.
And it's four months of this, that's why. But but
it did thing As we get closer to the end,
all of a sudden, it's like Kivon Tibo goes no, no, no,

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no lower than four, Like that's the new thing. Now,
all right, who's gonna be a steel in the first
couple of rounds? As far as offensive lineman in the
NFL draft? Who's gonna exceed expectations? Um? Sam and I
were talking about this. I mentioned on calling yesterday. I
mean Tyler Lindenbaum is a center from Iowa. And he's
under size, he's you know, two eight five if he
tries his hardest, probably um, you know, Jeff Saturday, he's uh,

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he's a he's a uh Jason Kelsey, Ryan Ryan Khalil type.
And those guys are obviously multiple all pro. So it's
it's gonna be in that category. Um, and he's gonna
have a first round grade, but he's not gonna in
the first round because, um, centers are luxury items and
the teams that that could use him in the middle

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of the first round don't really need to draft a center.
You look at like, you know, the Ravens, the Cowboys,
and the Titans maybe like they don't they could use
the center, but they don't need a center. And so
I think he gets in the second round because the
backround of the first round, the Packers and Chiefs don't
need one either. The Bengals probably don't in the lines
surely don't either. So he's in the second round draft
pick that I think you get a first round value

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out of. He feels like that guy, Well, let me
ask you this, is that a wise move to take
a center in the first round. There's about like, look,
there's about five every ten year or something like that
in the first round. But last year we saw Creed
Humphrey second round draft pick. All Pro. You can have
your Ryan, but to me, it's it's when you have
a specific need, like we have our left tackle, we

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have a pass rusher, we need a center, like the
Cowboys don't need him. Well, the Cowboys don't are a
team because the Cowboys. But but but that's the second
round though, right, No, that's pick in the draft. Actually
talk to a multitude of Cowboys teams, guys covering the Cowboys,
and when I talk about draft needs, they mentioned interior offend,

(51:57):
not him. They need to get they need they need
Zion Johnson or or Green from here is one mock
draft right here takes slender bomb the Cowboys to be
like I just wouldn't do that, Like like beyond it,
center is fine, Like they don't need then what do
you do with beyond Dak Prescott's health takes priority? That's
that's just making that who wrote this market just making

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stuff up? That doesn't that's not the position where his
health is a problem. Like let's see that's the problem
with offensive lineman. I mean, I get it, you're trying.
You you do recognize Dak Prescott was not healthy last year. Yeah,
but that was because if he was healthy, he bears
no resemblance to the quarterback he was before that injury.
It was an offensive line's fault. Hearing himself and heard
his shoulder throwing in camp, and he wasn't the same quarterback.

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I mean, he wasn't throwing the ball the same shoulder
in camp. Right, that's what the offensive lins fault. They
may decided to be offensive limes fault. All right, so
you're you're now you're mocking. You just said this guy
could be a steel. Now you're mocking the Cowboys the
first round. My point is that the steel doesn't happen
first round. That's on the steel. Steel was taking Lindar
bomb at the back half of the second round like

(53:04):
the Chief Scott Creed Humphrey last year. You think lender
bomb will be there in the back half of the
second round. Yeah, Okay. On the other side, all right,
we'll get back to sexy. You know, the quarterback situation.
Is it as sexy? Though? This year? Boy, we have
been all over the map as far as trying to
project quarterbacks in the upcoming draft. We'll do our best.
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in certain states. All right, we are talking plenty of
NFL Draft today on our show, and let's get two quarterbacks?
Do it? So here we were, and we talked about
this a lot over the last several months. Actually, Jeff
Um a couple of months ago, all of a sudden
names were emerging. Malik Willis was rising up through the
uh the ranks, and obviously we had Kenny Pickett there,

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Desmond Ritter, Matt Carroll. We're hearing all these names, and
then all of a sudden they just seemed to drop
out of site for a while. And then there was
this revival with the personal workouts, the pro days showed
up and they shot back up the charts. And now
I'm seeing some of these mock drafts or they seem
to be drifting back down the list. So is there

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any way to predict or to have any clue, because
you know what, I would love every team, all thirty
two teams have their huge draft board that's all covered up, right,
it's all secret. You don't want to see what's there,
no matter. Last year we were talking about who who
exactly as far as quarterback is concerned, and you looked

(55:28):
at some of the top names out there and you're like, uh,
let's see here, who is uh like Mac Jones? Uh
is Mac Jones a guy that is rated higher on
anyone's list than so and so. Right, we were trying
to figure this whole thing out, how these were all
gonna play out as far as the draft was a

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year ago, um, and we're there once again. So I
want to go back to last year's NFL draft and
just going through them and make sure I don't miss
any names out here. So last year, when we looked
at the draft, at the top of the draft, you
had Trevor Lawrence. You knew he was gonna go number one,
Zack Wilson was two, and then the forty Niners moved
up to number three, and they're all these wild rumors

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that they really wanted to get mac Jones. How many
players how many teams do you think had mac Jones
ranked ahead of Tray Lance or Justin Fields on their board?
And I was thinking none, none, How many had him ahead?
Probably not many, no, right, But as it turned out,
Mac Jones a pretty good quarterback. I mean maybe maybe

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those I don't know where New England had him right.
Maybe maybe they had him ahead of Justin Fields and
Trey Lance on their board that got him. He fell
down to their lap and he turned out to be
pretty good as theft overall pick um. So when we
look at it this year's cornerbacks, is there any way
to actually ranked them or is your guests. Of the

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thirty two teams out there, it's very mixed bag. In
the order of this year's quarterback draft class. It's a
very mixed bag because there's not anyone with with super
elite traits. I mean, Malik Willis has super elite traits,
but he's also not big, and that's a that's an issue, right,
I mean, we we don't have a lot of small quarterbacks,
and the ones that are, Tyler Murray gets hurt every year. Um,

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you know, we to how how would Russell Wilson never
got hurt until he's the you drafted guy? Based on
Russell Wilson outlier by the way, third round draft pick,
not a first round draft pick. That matters, Right, If
you take Milik Wills in the third round, probably have
a steel probably great draft pick if you take them
the third round. So that's also important. We talk about
where guys you drafted. If you draft a guy first

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or forty seven, it's a big difference. So that's where
I think we're at. So so to me, do you
want to go through these guys? Yes, I want to
hear what you have. So Malik Willis to me has
the most Um boom or bust. He probably out of
all the guys, has the most potential to be elite.
But also I can see him just like like just

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when we talk about Trey Lance as a one year
FCS quarterback, right, and what kind of resume a we're
looking at him projected into the NFL draft. What do
we know about Malik Willis playing at Liberty? Well, you know,
you're right, and when he played the big dogs, he
didn't play terribly well just the way it was um,
and it wasn't It wasn't often right, but those are

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games that you have to showcase. I just I I
would be concerned taking him and making him start right away.
Like that's the concern with with him. Um. A lot
of people that I trust, and you can see this
on film. I think Desmond Ritter from Cincinnati is the
most pro ready. He played an offensive that asked him
to do pro things. Read the defense the way you

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will in the NFL. Also played four years of college correct,
make make protection calls like you will in the NFL.
But it doesn't have elite traits. So you're just drafting
you know, uh, you know Baker Mayfield again and basically right,
can you project. The we always t the X actor.
I mean, does that mean here's the here's the concern
you have with the NFL. Let's go, who are you?

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Who are the top quarterbacks in the NFL? Right? Obviously
Tom Brady he's this outlier. Aaron Rodgers elite arm talent,
Justin Herbert arm talent, Tom Mahomes elite arm talent um,
you know, Russell Wilson stay at West, elite arm talent. Right,
I mean the best quarterback that doesn't have an elite arm?
And by way, Brady has an elite arm. Like that's
part of it too, right, I mean Derek Carr, I
guess is even elite arm. But you have to top

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five Doc Prescott. There's no elite quarterback doesn't have a
good arm. Or like you know, Brady's arm is stronger
than to give him credit for. By the way, it's
not it's not as electric. Thing about his longevity is
that he still maintains that arm straight. And so so
I just think that you look at this and this
draft and you just look, it's a ritter is Kenny?

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So Kenny pickets all over the place, right, you know, yeah,
what happened to pick it? I mean, seemed like everyone
Adams Caroline a number six. Now, I've seen some box
drafts that barely having in the first round. You watch
his play and it's just a bunch of single receiver side.
You know, there's a lot of frenetic pocket play. He
played for so many years with a bad offensive line

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that when he had a good offensive line this year,
he didn't really know how to navigate the pocket. Was
a lot of was a forgettable quarterback until his last year.
There was a lot of dropback timer. My head goes off,
I'm running whether or not I need to or not.
And that's you know, when you go to the NFL,
that's obviously a spent up process, and you want to
have guys that are able to navigate the pocket in
college a little bit better. And so again, I mean,

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those are the top three guys, Like that's where it's
where we're at right now. Um, And again, you know
I wouldn't take these guys in the first round. Um,
if I was any day, Matt Corral or let's say,
Sam Howe is going to be as good a quarterback
prospect as the top three. Maybe Matt Corral. I don't

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think Sam Hollis but you know, like if you're the
lines at thirty two they have the third second pick,
or another team that needs a quarterback. Let's say Seattle,
maybe you can trade back up the thirty two. I
doubt ittsh Pittsburgh's at twenties so they can take a
quarterback if they wanted twenty um. To me, you the
line that thirty two would be almost the smartest team
and take a quarterback there because you have that extra
year of control in its being a first round draft pick.

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But again, like Jared Goff is not good. But I mean,
is is Kenny Pickett or Desmond Ritter like going to
be that much better than golf where you have to
get him in the thirty second pick instead of getting
yourself another wide receiver. That's you have to wait when
it comes to the draft and evaluating where your team's out.
And these quarterbacks to me, just don't do it where

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we saw we saw last year. Trevor Lawrence. I think
I'll be fine with Doug Peterson. I think he'll make
a huge jump in year two. He has those elite
level traits. Well, I'm gonna give you over under a
three for quarterbacks taken in the first round. Um, I
think we'll get over. I think we'll get three or
over like it was flat. If it's a if you're
wagering at a flat three, I would take the over.

(01:02:01):
If it's three and a half, I would take the under.
But I just I'm terrified of that number. I don't
like that number. Three and Alf you're gonna take under, Yeah,
I think three. I would be okay, just because you know,
if you're gonna get three, I think you'll push it three. Obviously, Um,
they were set three and as where they would set
the bar, which which I think it's at right now? Yeah,
it's three and a half quarterbacks in the first round.
All right, there, you go right down. Let's find out

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what's trending. Let's welcome back, Mr David. I guess god.
So yeah, I'm watching a very intense Jeff Schwartz right now,
focusing on literally every play of this Oregon spring game.
It's it's adorable. I don't think there is a coach
in America watching a spring practice with the veracity of

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Jeff Schwartz right now. I'd rather be watching the usfl Oh,
we'll get to the US about a moment. Because I
was making a Big Bank on the other But I'm
not I'm watching Tyson Fury and Dillian White. Um, what
we know about this white guy? Is this guy any
threat to Fury? And as got one loss is eighteen
and one. Well, Fury has no losses. Uh. Do you

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know anyone believe that Fury is going to retire after
this fight? Those are the rumors right now. I think
they're in the fifth round more than rumors. I mean,
he's adamant, like I'm done. Yeah, we'll see if he
goes out on a high note. Why not if he loses,
you might need a revenge fight, redemption fight. Yeah, well,
I don't know who else is out there. My whole

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point is, I mean, if he wipes out this white guy,
he's not gonna sell us on another fourth fight with Wilder.
We know that. So yeah, we're done with that. And
he to talk one of the Klitchko brothers out of
retirement or yeah, they might be a little preoccupied. Yeah,
they're doing about in the Ukraine, I understand. Yeah, yeah,
not much out there in the heavyweights. No, but I

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don't know. We'll see what happens. Sam was telling me
about this earlier today, about when Blue stadium and how
they've filled this thing up to capacity. Mean he's a
huge national hero. No I know, but you know a
boxing match and a massive arena like that. Look, I'll
say it's like the fan. I would love boxing to
get back to a glory days, but it's it's not

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looking good. I'm a big fan of the USC. I
am not too much blood and guts. I just I'm
I'm old school. I'm about what about you, Jeff? Are
you a boxing guy? Mixed martial arts? Where are you
standing on that? Sam came in here earlier and said, hey,
boxing is on, and I was like, okay, cool, there's

(01:04:39):
they're boxing. Um. I my radio co host for my patos,
Sean O'Connell, he calls the PFL fights, which is they're
at ESPN. So I pay attention to the PFL only
when I talked to Sean about his job, so otherwise, Um,
I've watched one m M A fight start to finis

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it's when Sean himself fought um in the championship round
when he was in the PFL. He was hosting the
show with me and then also won a million dollars
on New Year's even what it's his fight, first and
only m m A fight ever watched. It was three rounds.
He broke the guy's face. I mean it wasn't pressed.
I was like, oh wow, he broke his face. Um,
but yeah, otherwise not not. I don't dislike it, like

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I just don't set my schedule around m m A
or boxing. All good, all good, Well, yeah they're in
the fifth round right now. Um, no knockdowns just yet.
Um guys. NBA scores today, Raptors beat the seventies six
years they forced the game five Mavericks down by tenant Utah.
Luca don Chich has nine points so far. Donaldan Mitchell
with fifteen Major League Baseball, macguil Cabra recorded three thousand

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career here Today, Taggers want convincingly over the Rockies thirteen
nothing and the Pirates got blasted by the Cubes twenty
one nothing. One not on the Pirates by the way.
I just oh no, he did I did. Oh. They
have three hits two errors, got blanked. Well, three hits
two errors is one thing. Giving up twenty one runs. Yeah,

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it's not good, breaking news, not good, not good. Hey,
you David really appreciate that. All right? We are talking
plenty of NFL Draft today, and I'm sure a lot
of people out there got their NFL draft parties ready
to roll. I want to ask you about a position
that seems to be going into extinction in terms of

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any interest in high round picks in the NFL draft. Uh,
and that would be running back. Running back? Right now?
You got Breese Hall out of Iowa State, Kenneth Walk
out of Michigan States, Spillers out of A and M.
I mean, what Williams out of Notre Name. I mean
James Cook gotta Georgia. I mean, at what pick? Okay,

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I'm gonna give you first running back selected over under
number forty in the draft. Let's I'll be about right. Um,
here's my thing with the running backs. There's I have
to two rules. I think there are two rules. One
is you don't draft one in the first round. Just don't.
You don't pay a second contract eight picks unning back. Jeez,

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I gotta look at the draft. Uh, they're they're started
three Well, just like I need to look at like
the NFL order to make sure started pretty good on
these overruns. That that's a that's a good number. Like
that's a good number. Let's see your draft order for
all seven rounds. Let's see what we got here. Gonna
move my mic a little bit. Okay, So round two
the Jacks no, the Lions know, the Jets could, the

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Giants absolutely not Texans, I guess could. And the Jets
have two picks on the Giants are going to roll
a dice on another running back man dive get them
and left them in the bat. So I mean Darius
Tony is gonna be trade after one year? Um, Seattles,
I would say probably, No, I don't. I would say

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under that or over there? I'm sorry. Is it's conceivable
we get through the second round without a running back? Um?
Is there any team in the second round that you say, yeah,
that's a running back team? Probably? Not know I'm looking
like I mean with Baltimore, with not Cleveland, not, I

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mean Atlanta, I guess could, the Vikings know? The Saints No,
the Chiefs, Eagles, no, Steelers, no, Packers, Patriots, Cowboys, Bills.
I mean, I don't know. I mean I know, I
don't think so I don't. Plus Also, um, it's also
worth pointing out, like I have, the Athletic Dot Com
did a consensus big board right with with a rank

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basically took like forty mock drafts and boards put together politics.
So the running back the highest rated running back on
their board. Uh, not their board, that's consensus. And it's
Kenneth Walker at thirty six. Yeah, all right, so you
know briest Hals at thirty nine. So you're not even
looking to you know if the earliest you would say

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to you take a running back with thirty six. That's
why I think it's I think it's under I don't
think um, I'm curious, like I kind of actually curious,
like which team needs a running back like the like
you will say, hey, I need to run. Let me
let me ask you this about running backs and give
you a former first round pick running back who was

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completely missing in action for several years and then had
as good a five game run as we've seen. A
recent memory at the end of the season that was
rare Shot Penny with the Seattle Seahawks. I mean, he
put up these monster numbers at the end of the year.
Where does he project right now? Is that what if
you saw it a hundred thirty d hundred seventy yards.

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The guy who's putting up Derrick Henry numbers at the
end of the season. Is he is is you know,
is he gonna suddenly be a star running back in
this league. I'm looking at at a team needs thing,
just the team needs, and this one has. Not a
single team needs to run back. Not one team. Now,
this might be team needs only for the first round. Um,
but I don't think it is. Like I just don't

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think there's a lot of teams that scream I need
a running back right now. Um. And I just don't
think one's gonna go high. All right, but what is
the evolution of the running back position right now? I
mean we we are what exactly is that position at
this point? I mean, we do have Jonathan Taylor, we

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do have a Derrick Henry. We still have some running
backs and can carry the load and get those twenty
five carries a game and and do some damage. But
outside of that, uh, all right, hold on, well, let's
go Dave to David Gascon once again, guys, uh sings
all over from Wembley Stadium. In the sixth round, Tyson
Fury just knocked out Dillian White. So if he does

(01:10:52):
go out on a high note, this is a grand
slam for him. What do these guys get paid for
this man well obviously numbers. Well, if I was Tyson,
Fury and his handlers, I'm getting a cut of the
I think. I think Fury um pers alone is making
of it. It's like thirty million or something. But he's
doing this in the UK? Was a six round? You said? Yeah,

(01:11:16):
it was a t K or a knockout, knockout, clean
clean knockout of taxes on that though in the UK?
Have you seen any highlights of this or watching it? All? Right?
Um get special access. I don't understand, Like, if you're
only fighting once a year and he was in the
ring four let's see three rounds, that's about eighteen minutes
of fighting. If I want the full six um for

(01:11:38):
thirty three million dollars, I don't know. I might want
to try it again. I mean, that guy that's got
punched with Mike Tyson airplane is gonna get thirty three
million dollars video can I can I ask you about that? Uh?
And uh? Um? So you know there's dumb and then
there's like ridiculously stupid. So you're sitting behind Mike Tyson

(01:11:58):
on a plane, you and see it's iron Mike and
he's even engaging with people. Everyone said, yeah, he was great,
taking a few selfies with people. Everybody else could not
have been nicer, right, But this one guy just would
not let it go. He just kept hammering away. Tyson
finally says, you know, dude, Okay, let's bring it down
a notch. Guy continues on and then Tyson turns around

(01:12:21):
just starts punching this guy in the face. Does Tyson
have a case for assaulting this guy? Maybe the guy
wanted to get assaulted, took a picture, he got blood
coming out of his forehead and everything else. Yes, Iron, Mike,
I'm gonna call you Iron. I like it, Iron, Sam. Yeah,
I want to know this. Okay, you're a fan of
somebody that This guy's lawyer claims that he his client,

(01:12:43):
is a big fan of Mike Tyson. If you were
to approach somebody you really had a lot of respect for.
You're a big fan of somebody, What are you saying
to them where they're you're eventually getting slugged in the face.
Where all there were plenty of witnesses to the whole thing,
he said, So I'm sure anybody if he said, if
he was just if Mike Tyson is telling you, dude,
calmed down, calm down, he's sitting your seat. He was
like standing over and pointing over his head punching one

(01:13:05):
of my foight out here because they were listening to
some of their phone without earbuds. I hate, I absolutely
loathed that, and I almost went up there and punched
him in the face too. So I understand that air
travel can make you very angry for no reason. If
it was one of your podcasts they were listening to,
I mean, does this guy have I don't know if
is this guy gonna file a case assault against Mike
Tyson heard anything like that. No charges have been filed yet.

(01:13:29):
He just hired a lawyer for over that because sign
me up. Jonas was taught. Jonas Knox, one of our
hosts here, was talking about this earlier. He said it
didn't make any sense to because uh, Tyson was throwing
like with one hand, and the guy's cuts were like
on the other side of the head. So notice that
in the video, it's kind of strange that cuts on
the other side of the head, But clearly he made

(01:13:51):
contact huts. When do you have like bruises and you
cut My my take on that maybe he hit his
head on like the front of the chah it looked
like a table like it did look like punchmarks and right,
and it didn't look like Tyson even hit him in
the head. He kind of like he almost looked like

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he was sort of restrained and just sort of like
kind of just but there was another guy sort of
jumping in and try to hold off Tyson. I wouldn't
do that either if I were that guy. By the way,
just quickly here, I have the numbers for the Fury fight.
Fury will receive eight percent of a purse bid that
will total approximately twenty nine point five millions. So he's
making way Underton, I'm sorry I gave you. That's why

(01:14:32):
I wanted to look it up here. Uh yeah, So
he's making eight percent of the thirty million ut five
million there, that white guy gets seven point four million, Danny,
when you take seven four million to get knocked out,
we were talking about this with Mike Tyson. Would you
how much money would you take Mike Tyson to hit
too flush on the chin. It's hard understand. I could

(01:14:57):
kill you. Of course it could kill you. You can
also a slade your jaw forever. So I'm asking you,
would you do it for a million dollars? No, it
would have to be but no glove by the way,
bare knuckles, bear knuckles. It would have to be something
where like your families. Families are set up right like
you if you if your life changes, you have to
do it because your family set up for life. I
was gonna say, it would have to be able to

(01:15:18):
buy you a huge mansion in bel Air and put
your kids to college and buy you a new brain
if you had to choice, if you can't hit on
that side of the head, jaws shot like and you
just like say that you would live at the beach
with all that I would, I would. I would sell that, Jeff,
And then moved to what if what if it was

(01:15:38):
Mike Tyson at eighty years old, then I might consider
it because he wouldn't quite have you seen Mike Tyson
at fifties six years but in another twenty two years
or twenty four years, eight years old, the marijuana is
going to keep him young forever. I was exactly that's
Benjamin Button Like, by the way, I can't say this
song like the people like I just was like like

(01:15:58):
I was just going after Tyson that man like it
was just it seems like fans are kind of out
of control of the last year. This is why you
need to assault thing, right, there's one free like Tyson
should be just one yeah, just one one one free
less death. But sure, but I would you do that?
Would you repeat what this guy did and badger Tyson
until he turned around and punch in the I wouldn't

(01:16:21):
the face when he look saw some dollars song. But
he's a cute fan of Mike Tyson. Like if I
saw Jim Carrey on a flight, I would like just
google him and just to keep my distance and just
give him some stef and if he yeah, you know,
just staring at him. Google, Google him. Google. Not as
bad as Charles Barkley the other night. That was the
best part about that was that he did also play

(01:16:41):
that he almost got away with it. And then he
said like something like when he when when I put
my hands all over him, and that the shock and
Kenny lost it, like and Ernie. He also noticed that
Ernie read the score and he read it like he
read it right after that, and he said, like the
score of sixty nine. It was just like it was
just like, oh God, it was so good. On the
other side, we haven't talked a lot about the NBA

(01:17:04):
playoffs for a reason. We'll tell you why coming up next,
Steve Harman, Jeoff Schwartz, Fox Sports Saturday. Right now, the
Jazz are leading the Mavericks two of the half. Earlier,
the Raptors avoided being swept by the Sixers. They will

(01:17:24):
go to a game five in that series. Later on,
we got the Celtics up to on their series on
the road against the Nets, and then the Grizzlies and
the Timberwolves. I was talking to Ryan Hollins, who along
with Mark Willer, preceded us today, and I asked Ryan,
the former NBA player, name me the NBA players that

(01:17:45):
move the needle. And you know what I mean by that,
Jeff moved the needle in other ways. I'm not talking
about who are the best players in the league. I'm
talking about guys that moved the needles. So he gave
me two names that I obviously would have had am
my list when he said Lebron James and Steph Curry,
and then he mentioned a third player. Now you think
about all these other great young players around the NBA,

(01:18:07):
and he says the young player that is actually showing
that he's moving the needle is Jean Morant. Oh yeah,
I mean he's Moran is moving And in terms of
when the Grizzlies are on the road, people are going
to games for an opportunity to see Jean Morant. Okay,

(01:18:28):
So I feel like I'm in a perfect position to
talk about this because I do not watch much NBA
regual season basketball. I'm I'm a Lakers fan. They're not
terribly good. I just don't pay attention. But I watched
playoff basketball, like watching playoffs, and I specifically have tried
to watch Memphis play for that reason. I have, and
he's electric to watch UM, And I try to have

(01:18:48):
my viewing experience around being entertained, like the Warriors are
entertained to watch John Rand's entertained to watch UM. And
so I've tried to do that. For the NBA players,
I've watched more than that. I mean it's on the
background or I'm working at night, I put on the
television things like that. But you're exactly right, like the
guys that is great and be they're they're great, But

(01:19:09):
big men normally don't move the needle. No, they don't
look at the NBA has if you go over. Let's
just let's go back to Birden magic getting into the league,
all right, Uh. And then of course you know you
have to showtime Lakers against the Celtics, that whole decade
of the eighties, superstars on both teams. And then came
the bad Boys you know of Detroit. Uh. And then
finally Jordan's and the and the Bulls become a championship

(01:19:31):
team and took us on on a level you haven't
seen since in the NBA. A team that never moved
the needle ever was the San Antonio Spurs. As great
as they were in five championships, they never moved the needle.
The ratings when they were in the NBA Finals were atrocious.
But you know what ended up moving the needle when
Lebron went to Miami, whether you loved him or hate him,

(01:19:52):
that moved the needle. And then the emergence of the
Golden State Warriors, a brand of basketball we've never seen before.
And then you have the magic, you know, straight years
of Lebron versus the Golden State Warriors. That's what this
league needs right now. They need a new element to
move the needle right now. That's that's moving the needle.

(01:20:14):
Maybe the needle means you have the nets are or
can be the villain, but they're not because they haven't
played enough on paper. Yes, but the problem is they
haven't had their stars play enough to create that kind
of friction. All right, on the other side, we're gonna
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(01:21:23):
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. I have
done so many draft shows over the years. Oh my,
I just you know, you have something we used to
do on location everything else where. You know, when I

(01:21:44):
was doing afternoon Drive. Now with morning drives a little easier,
but you know, afternoon Drive your on and we would
have you know, like I was working for the Charger station,
you know, when they were still in San Diego, and
the first round would just go on and on and on,
and then we come back on RIDEA for Day two,
the second and third rounds, and it could it could

(01:22:05):
go on forever. I mean, you know, you were slated
to do a three or four hour radio show and
we're on the air for five and a half hours.
I'm glad there's more time constraints put on this because, um,
it can get tedious, and I'm glad that they have
adjusted that. And you know, of course, the first round
of the it's it's a TV it's a made for
TV first round Jackson knows who they're picking, yes, immediately,

(01:22:27):
they don't need all ten minutes the lions of who
they're picking immediately. But all these teams have again the
drop boards. They have their boards now. The only thing
that throws it off, right is if a team reaches
in that top five or ten picks where you got
a name, and all of a sudden, there's a name

(01:22:49):
that drops where you don't expect it to drop on
your board. To me, the best drafting teams, so there's two,
there's two. They have their big board right where they everyone.
So trust your board, right. Then you also have kind
of like your positional value board, and so you just try.
You look at your board, you said, okay, oh he's

(01:23:10):
gone all right, next up him. That to me is
you can talk about sanity and drafting again. When you
when you start reaching for need, you're reaching, and anytime
you're reaching, trust your board. Right. You have paid people
to put a draft board in front of you. Trust
the board. Uh, And go back to quarterbacks dropping like

(01:23:32):
the Green Bay Packers, did they expect to see Aaron
Rodgers name on the board when it was no? Did
they need a quarterback? No? They had Brett Farve. But
he was like on their board, They're like, how do
we pass on this guy? They didn't and they're happy
they didn't. You you'd be surprised at how many stories

(01:23:53):
or how many you know, drop us over the year.
You think to yourself, well, they don't really need that
position and that and then but they d be a
best player available, and then that person becomes one of
their better players because they has an injury. Things happen
where they need to play that player earlier than they think.
And that's why you spent all this time creating a
draft board. And that's the question. Back to the quarterbacks

(01:24:13):
is like, well, you know it's six. If your the Panthers,
you're gonna have possibly four offensive lineman graded higher than
Kenny Pickett. Let me ask, I'm gonna just pull out
a team here, um, the Los Angeles Chargers. All right,
So here you got a team that has a franchise
quarterbacks and so that is going to be set for

(01:24:34):
a long, long time ahead. You took slighter in the
first round, turn out to a great pick. He immediately
probow caliber offensive and the off season right you addressed
the You get Khalil Mack in a trade, uh, you
get the cornerback, you get a couple of defensive lineman.
So when you look at their draft board right now,

(01:24:55):
by the way, the Chargers last year um did not
move out of a single pick all seven rounds. They
picked exactly where they were slotted. They didn't trade out
of a pick, they didn't acquire a pick, They just
stayed right on their board. Now, if you look at
the Chargers, there's taking a number seventeen right now. Now,

(01:25:16):
could an offensive tackle, nice bookend tackle drop into their lap? Sure?
Could they use a little more help on the defensive
front again, you know, like a year ago, one of
the worst run defenses in the NFL. Probably, But what
about drafting to strength? What about taking a wide receiver
adding to the receiver corps. So so you got Keenan Allen,

(01:25:38):
you got Mike Williams. They got receivers out there. But
in a Larvae or one of these other premier receivers
drops down to seventeen, would that be the worst thing
to actually draft to your strength. I'm glad you mentioned
the Charger who obviously you cover a lot, and this
is a great point about the draft. Would their would
their decision will be seventeen because they need you mentioned

(01:26:00):
right tackle. They could use, you know, they could use
Jordan Davis for example from Georgia the tackle and then
you only just know why was you gonna be good?
But when you get to seventeen, the way this draft
I think is gonna play out, the four tackles are
gonna be gone, the top four tackles. It's too early
to draft someone else, right, they just won't be You
won't have a enough grade. Jordan Davis might be gone too.

(01:26:22):
There's no other defensive tackle, That's what I'm thinking. So
you take the best player available that can help you out.
If that's a wide receiver, great, that's a corner great.
I mean you can never have enough corners. That to
me feels like yes, you'd be like good. You stuck
to your board and you you never know, right what
if Keith Allen gets hurt or Mike Williams gets hurt,

(01:26:42):
all of a sudden's like boom, we drafted a guy.
We have we have a replacement for that guy for
the season. So to me, you spend four months doing this,
four months playing his board together. When it comes to
the chargers, stick to it, don't overdraft the right tackle.
You can find a right tackle in the second round. Right,
and again when you have the strength, they have a quarterback,

(01:27:03):
and there's no limit to the upside right now, and
what we've seen two years into justin Herbert's career, adding
another offensive weapon, another tool, especially a guy that has
a speed, guy to stretch the field right, which is
what would help him with right, he would seem to
be a great fit. If you if you're the Chargers

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and let's say you have Trevor Penning available the right
the tackle you would take no, No, I'm asking you,
Northern Iowa. Let's say Jordan Davis is they're still from Georgia.
The d tackle, oral, La, who are you taking? Oh?
I would take the tackle? So would I? Yeah? I
would take the tackle because again, if I have a
chance to get bookend tackles for the next decade with
my quarterback, I do that in a heartbeat. I'm with

(01:27:45):
you there. Because they have they have wide receivers. So
again this comes back to but if they're off the
board and keep the wide receiver, the wide receiver, even
if it's not, if not a position of need, why
not make it even stronger than it already is when
you have that kind of quarter back, I would take
a lot of ordered over Jordan Davis if I was
the Charger. Because you addressed defen tackle and fre agency,

(01:28:06):
you don't need to get it. I mean you signed
two of them signed basically signed a third one at
a third defensive tackle to your team. I feel like
that's a little bit rich for that position. Don't get
yourself another wide receiver. All right, guys, I want to
break a little early if I can, because I want
to get to Adam Kaplan earlier than later, because we
got a lot. We are four days or five days

(01:28:27):
away from this NFL Draft. We got our Fox Sports
Radio NFL Insider Serious x M. NFL's Adam Kaplan is
gonna join us. Coming up next Steve Harbin and Jeff
Shorts here on Fox Sports Saturday. Are you sure you're
leaving town? I mean, do you want to hang out
and so called just a little bit longer? He looks

(01:28:49):
so comfortable ducks T shirt and the shorts and the
flip flops. I mean, miss my kids, Oh god, come on,
I do miss my kids. I'd like to see my kids. Um,
and I have to go to Portland. Next week too.
So look outside right now is glorious. I don't I
don't know if I am debating whether I want to

(01:29:10):
just sit in traffic. I feel like I just can
either go eat in Santa Monica, not sit in traffic.
You're a palace kid. No, I'm not about Palisades kid.
I went to Palisades. Yeah, the traffic is not really
it's after Palisades, but you go up Pacific Coast Highway.
I am aware of how to make this drive. I
can choose to just like go to the water grill

(01:29:32):
or something, or I could just go to Nobu and
I don't know, we'll figure it out. But a sus rody,
I've got a sprint back to the West Side. So
I'm looking forward to, uh seeing a family. But yeah,
I love look, I love coming out here. The weather
is glorious, the food is good. Yeah, Jeff, we want
you out here in the studio every week. Well, I
mean this is fun listening. But there's a number that

(01:29:52):
they can give me that make me move out here.
I feel like it's quite simple. Well, real estate is
very affordable. So we were we were at the Fox
lot the other day and we went to go eat
like a little bit away on pico Um at the
Stocking Horse, right, It's okay. And so we parked like
in the neighborhood behind it, and we walked by and

(01:30:14):
my wife was like, that's nice house. Yeah, that's like
two million dollars. And I was like, no way, and
I'm like I pulled up nine six four and Zello
and there was a house. It was one point five.
It was nearby where we were, and it was seven
square feet and I was like, I was like, I
was like, yeah, that's seven hundred, seven hundred square feet.

(01:30:39):
That's it's a three bedroom, two bathroom in Charlotte. That's
you know right now to fifty. Maybe not in the
best part of town for to fifty, but maybe in
the good part town four hundred that's out here. It
was a homeowner here in southern California. I'm pretty happy
about the real estate prices. We don't go buy anymore.
I don't of a leavaballs. All right, I'll tell you what.

(01:31:01):
We're gonna have Adam Caplan joining us here shortly. But
right now, let's find out what's trending. As we welcome in,
Mr David Gascon, what do you got for us, David
oh Man. Yeah, the market not too pretty right at least. Yeah, sellers, yeah,
buyers tough, but yeah, a little change. Amazing how people
just come up with the money, They just find it. Yeah,

(01:31:22):
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(01:31:42):
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(01:32:03):
twin seven nothing over the White Sox. Cubbies put up
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of the first from the trap back to yes, all right, David,
thank you very much, and joining us right now is
our Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider Series x M NFL's

(01:32:24):
Adam Kaplan. So, Adam, we're not gonna ask much of
you today. All we want is UH in order, the
two and sixty two picks and the upcoming UH NFL draft.
If that's asking too much, I maybe maybe time restraints,
but we do want to take some extra time Adam
with you today as we get ready for this NFL draft.
Him and we've been talking about this for weeks leading

(01:32:46):
up to this, that, um, there's a lot of unpredictability
in a draft that doesn't have the automatic quarterbacks at
the top of the draft. But let's start a quarterback
right now. And this has been up and down as
far as these mock drafts of can cern. A few
weeks ago, the quarterbacks were down, then they had their
pro days, suddenly they shot up the charts. Now they

(01:33:06):
seem to be drifting back down. What's your best guess,
which team do you believe will be the first team
to select a quarterback? In this draft. My my early guest, Okay,
my early. When I say earlier, I usually get a
lot of information, you know, money and two see leading
up to the draft. But although one GM I will
tell you, I'll give you a little bit. But I

(01:33:27):
haven't talked about this anywhere. Some muse we'll talk about
it here. One NFL GM told me yesterday that he
felt there wouldn't be any quarterbacks in the top ten.
I don't know how we would know that, uh, because
they have what are called trade calls. Every team talks
to every team at this time of the year. Um. Now,
I think it's more of this guy thinks that there
are no quarterback work taking. But if you're the Seattle Seahawks,

(01:33:49):
you have to do something good quarterback, you know you
you don't want to reach obviously, certainly train out or
take a quarterback later. But at this point Nick cannot
go to the season Withdrew Locky. Think we all know that.
And at number nine, if they don't take a quarterback,
and they clearly have a lot of needs left tackle
Joine Browns contracts up, they don't have a very good
roster at number nine would be the earliest i'd see

(01:34:11):
a team taking the quarterback. So the Panthers right now
are off a quarterback. Does that signal maybe a left
tackle within the Baker Mayfield trade after the first round. Jeff,
My understanding what Baker Mayfield is is they have mild
interest in Mayfield. They certainly will not like most teams,
are not going to pay his contract. The reason why
some teams don't think will be unless unless the Browns

(01:34:34):
are willing to eat a minimum of half of the
contract is you have a guy come up with left
shoulder surgery. He had a lot of injuries last season
and he's not coming He just leverage. Here's with the clubs, Jeff,
we're receiving this quarterback. We'll see what happens. But if
the Browns are not willing to eat some of that money,
I would highly doubtful be moved. Jimmy Garoppolo, I was

(01:34:55):
talking to a friend of mine that works on the
broadcast with the forty nine, and his best guess right
now is ultimately he's going to get released. Um yeah,
I mean, is that what you're hearing right now? Because
he said he's going to be released, and if he
is released, it would almost seem percent that the Seattle

(01:35:16):
Seahawks are going to be knocking on his door. What
is your best guest, Well, listen to seattleism get a
quarterback in the first two rounds. Yes, so they know
him in the same division. But I would think Carolina
if they don't get their quarterback in the first two rounds,
and I wouldn't let Carolina trading down to get a quarterback.
But Jimmy g the problem is now this is right
shoulder surgery. Just to clarify it, this is his his

(01:35:38):
throne shoulder. Um. He you know, he talked to us
at the NFL radio this week. I mean, it seems
to think like he's gonna be okay by training camp,
but we don't know what that entails, how much you'll
be able to do and how much you'll be able
to participate in an off season program. But the bottom
line is twenty two a million dollar based salary is
a lot to pay for a guy when he's coming
off of major surgery. It's not in today's NFL. It's

(01:36:01):
not a bad salary, but being a resolved and with
his injury history, the Niners have not gotten the market
that they thought they would have. Now if he didn't
have right shoulder surgery, completely different story. He would have
been traded by Now. Um, you know what about the
Steelers because you know there's a lot of discussion about
them need a quarterback. You know, Willis has been kind

(01:36:22):
of put to them. But again a big projection in
my opinion about what his twent will be in the NFL.
Do you see them being in the quarterback market at No.
I've felt that way all off season. Well, when you
really look at their needs and there particularly their future needs,
they have a major need at the cornerback position. It's

(01:36:42):
just it hasn't gone away that it's the one area
with a great Kevin Colbert, he's just a struggle like
he might be one of the best a drafting receivers
in NFL history, but he has not gotten the right
a corner. Uh So I expect him to dress corner
fairly early in this draft. And the other thing is
their front free they run a thirty four front. They're
the team in the National Football League that's got three
defensive lineman over thirty years old. So they're going to

(01:37:04):
have to do something there. Um, if they find that
guy couldn't been Jordan Davis we'll see that's I see
him going the middle of the first round, maybe a
little bit later to twenty to the Steelers. Um, they
do want to make it work with Mr. Bisky. But
and then the other thing is, you know, speaking receiver,
it looked like last year they had they had really
good depths. Not anymore. And Chase Claypol the second round

(01:37:25):
pick from two years ago, regress last season and he's
got to do a better job. All right. Wide receiver
has been very much in the news recently. I want
to talk about Deebo Samuel again. Talking to my forty
Niner insider here, Adam Uh, he basically said this about diva. Look, Um,
if you take away the running back element out of
his game, he is not Tyree Kill. He is not Obviously,

(01:37:50):
he's not Davonte Adams. He is not that level of
wide receiver. So if a trade would be to be made,
would you do you think there's any team out there
they would give up a first round draft pick for
Deebo Samuel. I do, yes, they do. But number one,
the Niners don't want to trade him. They're not looking
to trade him. Um. The thing is that one team

(01:38:12):
that told me that they would not trade for running back.
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Adam,
just hang on, hang on. We're losing you a little
bit here. All right. We're gonna call him right back,
Adam Kaplan, join us our Fox Sports Radio NFL insider,
Serious x M NFL want to make sure we get

(01:38:32):
all these words in here, Jack. We've got a lot
to talk about with our man right now, no question
about that is ready for Thursday's uh NFL draft. We're
talking about the Deebo Samuel situation. All right. Let's get
back to Adam right now. All right, continue on, Adam
about Deebo Samuel and the forty Niners not wanting to
trade him. Yeah, and and let me let me explain it.

(01:38:53):
So one team that's definitely gonna be involved, And if
they haven't been involved, if they haven't called an Honors yet,
they'd certainly called before the AFT on this particular player.
They told me they would not even consider trading former
giving up more than a first round pick, which is
believed in the end what they'll want than I really want.
They won't do it unless he's want to play some
running back. Now, if I'm Deebo Samuel, Um, I don't

(01:39:15):
know that I want to play running back because they're
more susceptible for getting hurt. He it's unbelievable. He I
don't know if you know, this is the last eleven games,
eight regular season, three playoff games. He had almost forty
more carries and he did receptions. Think about that, and
that's you know that when you look at the injury
history of his player, by the way, he does have one,

(01:39:35):
he's had an injury history. Um, that that would that
would be concerning as special as he is as a player,
and I think that person he spoke to is correct.
He gets open by scheme. They scheme him. Coyle Shanahan
is incredible at it. He schemes him open a great space.
And he's a certain type of runner. He's not what
we call a nine rounte runner. You're not gonna see
him be coverage, um without being schemed open a lot

(01:39:57):
of slants and unbelievable run after the cat. You know,
sometimes I obviously I'm pro player, I'm a former player,
but you know, Debo hasn't had one full season yet.
Isn't at sixteen games at this elite level play. I mean,
it doesn't it feel like a really early ask to
get either force or trader, get a new dealer, I
get one. The Niners like, yeah, we're not doing any

(01:40:18):
of that. You've barely showed us. You're the guy we
draft in the first round. But Jeff, I think they
will if if all things cooled down and the last
two guys to have contractual issues with the Niners, they
wind up getting deals and things cooled down. If if
he's not traded by the draft, he's almost certain to
be on the team this season. I don't I would

(01:40:39):
be shocked if he's traded. Uh, if he's after the
after the draft. So let's say this goes to training camp.
They have a history of extending players and training their
pleasure pretty well. It's not like them not to extend
a player. I get he's on the last year's deal.
You don't have to do it. The Steelers historically, other
than Bell Rosberger, they let the player play it out
and then they extend him. After that final contract he's done.

(01:41:01):
What is the update on trade talks? So they j
Brown and Terry McLaurin. None, Titans were never going to
trade him. Who was the other player? Terry McLaurin Um,
I talked, let's put this one. I don't know how
the stuff starts. The Titans absolutely love a J. Brown.
He's one of their best leaders. Um now, Terry McLaurin,
they don't want to trade him, watching they want to
extend his contract. But um, that one's a little bit

(01:41:24):
more complicated. I'm told by team source. You know, he
only likes to play one side of the field, which
surprised me. I didn't know that he likes to play
the exposition. And you know, they're going to address the
receiver position ops in and they don't have a starter
opposite him, and they're probably gonna get someone with size.
And they're also looking at running back by the way,
for you Washington commander fans like keep getting that name wrong,
but I've called them commandos like fifty times, which I'd

(01:41:46):
like better. But anyway, Um, they're looking at running back
to complement antonio gifts, and don't be surprised if they
do something fairly early his rafter running back. All right,
So what do you make of all this noise about
these wide receivers? Obviously a couple of contracts, and then
that you get a Cooper cups in. You know, it's
not that big for me to get that kind of money.
I'm sure collectively the wide receivers want to strangle him
for that comment. But I mean, but I mean, you

(01:42:08):
have a draft where I'm seeing, you know, Adam, as
many as six or seven wide receivers could be taken
in the first round. So I mean, just from your perspective,
what kind of priority is wide receiver in terms of
taking up cap space. Well, it's one of these positions
you're always looking for something special with it, like Traylon
Burke's he's a He's really interesting because if you look

(01:42:32):
at his forty time, but you actually watch this tape,
you go, well, he's really explosive. But then you look
at his his his forty time, you go out, maybe
he's not explosive. But he's six from Arkansas. Some people
said he's a little bit different than Deebo Samail effect.
They do some of the same things, but he's a
little bit taller. He doesn't He's got a pretty good versatility.
But the thing about this draft is, yes, it's super

(01:42:53):
deeper receiver. Uh. The word around the league is there's
no elite receivers. A lot of good, very good to
very good ones. I would say that um, Gary Wilson
of Ohio State should be I'm not saying it happened,
but there's a high percentage will be the first receiver
off the board and his teammate Kryslave could be the
second guy off the board. Yeah, it's This draft is
going to be kind of curious how use all plays out.

(01:43:15):
One more, one more pro guy before you get back
to draft Kyler Murray. Um, again, I I get it,
you want to get paid and whatnot, but Arizona was
looking at this. Hey, the last three years our team
has gotten worse than the back half of the season.
The last two years, you've been hurt in the back
half of the season. Um, I get what. I don't

(01:43:36):
want to pay him. Uh and they can call his
bluff and make him come to play this year, right.
I mean, I just don't see how this ends with
a deal that Kyler Murray really wants to have. He's
not going to be I mean, he's not top ten guy,
but he wants to be paid like one. Jeff. What
happened with him was they have their their feeling was
once DeAndre Hopkins left, that got hurt. But they had

(01:43:57):
multiple injuries and he really didn't him back as you know,
a knee surgery and then before that Ata Hamstter strain,
his numbers plummeted. I mean, it's really striking how badly uh,
Kyler Murray regressed with without his number one receiver, and
they feel like that was part of his regression. He
started to press a little bit. You know. The thing
is that they don't They didn't. They weren't really spreading

(01:44:18):
the ball around as much as they would have liked to.
But you're right, he's They do really like him now.
They want him to be a little bit more of
a leader and be a little bit more accountable. But
he's pretty gifted. And Steve Connor GM made a clear
they're not trading him. They got they took the player
overall number one, and we know about why they traded
Josh Rose and Cliff Kingsbury recruited him to Texas Tech.
This is his guy. Cliffkinsbury chose them over the Jets

(01:44:42):
because he thought he can get Kyler Murray and that's
why they're going to go with him. We keep hearing
that the Shawn Watson contract complicates, you know, Kyler Murray
extension because Obviously, the Arizona does not want to pay
him two hundred and thirty one million dollars. Obviously, with
with what's happening with Lamar, we don't really no, it
feels very vague there. But you know, ever keep saying, well,

(01:45:03):
the Watson deal is really hurting the rest of the
teams when it comes to paying their quarterbacks. Is that
actually true? Well, I'll say this much. If you talk
to contract and negotiators and other gms, they're furious that
the Browns did that. Did it for two reasons. A
DeShawn Watson never took a step last season. Number two,
he had major off the field allegations against him, and

(01:45:26):
you're making you're giving him a landmark contract. That's that's
not good. But that's what the Browns did and it
really bothers some teams. I got this at this the
I'll tell you, Jeff, I've talked to a bunch of
teams privately at the owners meetings. They're furious at the
Browns for doing this. I'm glad you brought this up.
I really have not talked about this one FSR before,
but it's a major problem. And then you could think

(01:45:48):
about it, right if you're and I understand Lamar Jackson
doesn't have an agent, but if you're Lamar Jackson, why
would you not ask for five years, fully guaranteed years?
We got in trouble off the field. Um, you're just
as successful as to Shaun Watson. And by the way
you played last season, Now I know he was hurt,
but that's the that's the point. The Ravens are gonna
want to do that contract. Nobody is and it's it's

(01:46:09):
gonna be fascinating because you saw what you saw. Cousins
once again restructures contract, so they're stuck with him for
another year. They're stuck with them actually contract structure. It's
really remarkable what the what the Browns have done here
at quarterback. But you know what, agents like it because
now they could ask for it. All right, I want
to get to a specific team because we mentioned there

(01:46:30):
are eight teams. They have multiple picks in the first round.
Any of their eight teams without a first round pick? Yeah,
the New York Giants trying to pick up the pieces again. Uh,
two and done, coaches three three in a row after
Tom Coughlin dables in right now, Uh, they have the
fifth and seventh picks in this draft. I mean, you
don't see that off when you get a team with

(01:46:52):
those higher picks. What direction do you think that Giants
are gonna go at number five and number seven? Soft
Gardner the corner from since to down today, I'd be
shocked if they don't take him. If he's there, he's
has one GM told me doesn't he's the best player
for this draft. He is. They're only maybe four or
five league players. He's one of them. He's you can't
knock the guy, and you cannot find anything wrong with

(01:47:12):
this guy. Um, he's terrific. He's tall off the field,
he's clean, tape is amazing, comes from a good program.
Had He's just been great, way way better than Stingley
the corner from L s U. But I would say
in the end, they look at corner here and probably
pass rushers, their pass rushers and mimic last season. Uh.
They My team first told me they absolutely love Andrew Thomas,

(01:47:35):
their left tackle. They think he's a franchise left tackle.
But the rest of the offensive line, that's another story.
They need help there. It seems like Cavon Thibodeau is
making his way back up the draft boards. We spent
you know, two months telling everyone he was a terrible person,
and all of a sudden he's going no longer than
four to the Jets. What are you hearing about the
interest the top of the draft? It comes to cavan.

(01:47:55):
His issue got has nothing to do with off the field.
It's it's stiffness. This is some tape study. Uh talk
to multiple teams about him. They say the same exact thing,
because it's what the tape shows. I'm not gonna argue
with people better information than make people make. No, that's fair,
that's that's fair to state. But it's just interesting how
like Travon Walker just has no production and they just
ignore that stuff because they like him. And well that one,

(01:48:16):
I'm glad you brought that up. So let me and
I know the guys on the Sun To Show asked
me this question. I'm just going to tell you Aidan
Hutchinson has been the number one consensus player since January. Okay,
nothing has changed. Tavon Walker has got an interesting tape.
He's very gifted, he's got scheme versatility. But guess what
better football player? So now do I think that Trent

(01:48:37):
Bulky's trying to stand bag people and say, you know
he said that, he said this, We actually said it yesterday,
that there are four players are looking at at number one.
I mean, do we really believe that. No, I think
it's ridiculous, but hey, if that's what he believes, that's
what he believes. All right. Two questions about Aidan Hutchinson.
Is it now confirmed that he will be the number

(01:48:59):
one over all picked by the Jacksonville Jaguars And do
you put him in the same classes let's say the
Bosa brothers. No, because they're more explosive, they got better
Bend Hutchinson. No, his tape is super clean. There's a
there's a scouting cherman. I know Jeff likes for offensive lineman.
He's always looking for work. He's if he if he

(01:49:19):
beats a guy, then he's going to do something else.
He just it's hard to he doesn't have the upside
maybe of some other pass rushers, but you know what
you're getting he is. He's going to start year one.
He's solid football player. And he's not related to Steve Hudginson.
Just to clear that up, as his agent Mike McCartney
told me, no, there's no relation to to Michigan Hudginson.

(01:49:41):
I know, well his dad did play at Michigan, but
it wasn't that right exactly, But it wasn't that Steve Yeah.
So um. You know, with with more younger general managers
over the years, you've seen a lot more aggressive trades, right,
and in the draft it feels like we've seen one
with the Saints probably moving up to take a tackle,
it seems like now, but maybe they take a quarterback.

(01:50:03):
It does not feel that this draft is setting up
for a lot of aggressive trades up Brightley, who is
a guy or two that you think teams might trade
up for. There's obviously probably not a quarterback. So who
who would teams move up to get in this draft? This?
It's funny you say that. So I had a uh
A discussion with a GM from the NFC team and

(01:50:24):
he said, here, he gave me the list of teams
that or players that teams would trade up for. He said,
soft Gardner. If he somehow makes the seven half of
the legal try to trade up for him because he's
It's rare draft that you you find a guy that
you cannot find any holes in. It's almost impossible yours
can find something. But he's a guy it's hard to
find holes in. Um. Now one, now this one force me.

(01:50:46):
We'll see if this guy's right. He said, if you're
a team that has forward thinking, you're not worrying about
Jamison Williams year one, which you shouldn't be because you
know he's come back with a c L. And you
don't worry about him playing year one. You take them
and it's all about your two or three, four, five
and six and seven. He's a top three player without
the a c L reconstruction. You just you have to
be very secure in your job. And this guy said, look,

(01:51:08):
he goes, he goes our medical you know, are he
passed our medicals. We know he's not gonna probably play
earlier in the season, but he'll be able to play
and he'll be fine by year two. It's not an
Achilles injury where you're really worried about not only the
first year but the second year. Um, so are you
are you trading a first round pick next year for
him this year? Like that's kind I wouldn't do it,

(01:51:30):
But he just said, he's a guy that let's say
he gets to a certain point, he actually wouldn't have
to because I'm not saying top ten. But he's a
guy that theoretically shouldn't go in the top fifteen. But
he's so gifted, and everyone I've talked to said that
he isolated a c L. He's gonna be fine. Unfortunately,
you know, he got hurt in January, so you know,

(01:51:50):
there's a very big question when I'll be ready. But
I would say it's more certain guys just drop and
you're not expecting, like Philly last year, once the Corners
went off the board, or they saw their next guy
drop and they they traded up for the receiver from Alabama.
Because that's what happens when guys drop, you just when
you're not expecting, you go and get the player. That's

(01:52:11):
what gams will tell you. All Right, I gotta speak
in one more because this guy's been on my mind
a lot, and that's Sam Donald. All right. So I'm
looking at these quarterbacks in the draft and I'm asking myself,
are any of these guys as good as Sam Donald,
who's still not even twenty five years of age. My
question to you is, is Sam Donald finished in terms
of being a starting quarterback in the NFL. He's a

(01:52:33):
low one starter, hiding back up Steve d answer your question.
By the way, here's the fascinating part about the Panthers
as you bring this up. My understanding is Kenny Pickett's
right close to that rule of Rule recruited him to
Temple and then obviously he went to Baylor and pick
it decommitted because he because Rule is no longer there.
Apparently they have a very good relationship. I don't I

(01:52:54):
We'll see if I'm right, But people I speak with
don't believe that the Panthers think he's worth taking it six.
We'll see if I'm right. Um, but Sam Donald clearly
has regressed, and his problem is he has real problems processing.
If you get guys coming at him, you know, his
feet gets stuck. He doesn't know where to go with
the football. That happened way too much less season, and

(01:53:14):
the pather has kind of know where they're at, and
that's why they're gonna do something at quarterback. The questions
how do they do it? Yeah, and if you look
at the numbers, his one year in Carolina almost identical
to his final year with the Jets, nothing changed as
far as Donald's concerned. All right, So next Saturday, UM,
I don't know if you're about your availability, but we're
gonna break down everything. You'll be in Vegas and we're

(01:53:35):
gonna break down every pick that's been made on Thursday, Friday,
and then as it's going on Saturday. I hope I'll
be on television, but I I If not, I absolutely
would love to come up with you, guys. Adam, You're
the best. We appreciate it. Thanks so much, guys, Thank you,
Adam Caplin. Fox Sports Radio, NFL Insider Series x M NFL.
Al Right, on the other side, Je's gonna do what
he always does. He's going to break down the USFL.

(01:53:57):
That's your best place for the USFL this week coming
up next, Steve Harvey, Jeff Schwartz, Fox Sports Saturday. Well,
thank the guys today. It seems like we just got
here and all of a sudden were saying goodbye. Iowa. Sam,
who's wearing his Master's cap. By the way, I highly

(01:54:18):
recommend that thirty on thirty of thirty with Greg Norman. Um.
He actually goes back to Augusta as they relive that
collapse U the Masters and everything that led up to that.
Very good stuff, very good stuff. He handled it well.
I mean I say that good because to really how

(01:54:40):
he handled that entire situation just and he admitted that
you know, if he felt it, man, he sort of
like choked it away. So very interesting insight there. David
Gascon doing a tremendous job today. And and Danny Gee,
who's feeling good about the Dodgers right now. He's stacked
down in Dodging gear. They blew out the odd Rays.

(01:55:00):
What do you feel feeling about these last two games
down to Peco? They are scoring runs and bunches. They've
had like ten or eleven innings where they scored at
least three plus runs. So loving it so far. Well,
they need a Mookie Betts to wake up, and he
had two homers yesterday, so that would be that would
be good for them. Um, all right, guys, look really quick, Steave.

(01:55:21):
We have a new drop Jeff Schwartz in studio today.
Let's see you hear me back there. Let's see Jeff
accidentally did this during commercials. We don't point out mistakes,
but you hear me back there. Danny sent me a
video and I tried to answer him, and I pressed
on button talk just happy he didn't use any because

(01:55:42):
I was just usually in the comfort of his own home.
Well yeah, and then the commercial I could just like
screamed down the line at one of you guys is there?
How does how does being in studio here with the
multiple TVs and everything, and then of course staring at Iowa,
Sam and Danny. Is it different than just hanging out
in the house. Um, we'll have more clothes on here,

(01:56:02):
which is good, um barely, but um no, I mean
it's a lot happening here, and it makes our conversation
better to be in the same place. Um. Yeah, it
feels more legit being here. I just but your voice
is very loud, which you and your headphones are even louder. Yes,
I am. I am absolutely deaf. That's what happens when

(01:56:24):
you do radio like I just keep one min. I
don't even need to put my heads on you. You
haven't figured this out yet, Jeff. Nothing gets me more
stimulated than the sound of my own voice. Nothing gets
me more rev up than this, the sound of my
own voice. My chair is way more comfortable at home

(01:56:46):
and is here. And obviously I have my own bathroom
and like my own drinks and food and snacks, and
my kids always run in half the time, and Um,
but yeah, it's it's always good to come to l A.
I mean, look the weather, it's just again, it's not
it's just over the hill. So I can get back
home pretty quickly. So you're still trying to figure out
this Malibu excursions. Well, I'm debating, like I can I

(01:57:07):
if you go to nobody, you know, it's gonna be
a lot of celebrities. That's that's why I'm kind of like,
and it's a beaut I don't think my wife cares,
Like we can go to eat on the bluffs in
Santa Monico. I don't think she cares where we go to. Malibu.
Just was like, it's a nice day, we'll go up there.
But I've been up I've been there, Like, it's not
like I don't need to do that. She doesn't carre
me the biggest celebrity in the room though you Oh yeah,

(01:57:29):
everyone be starting at her though, staring. No one's looking
at me. Um yeah, so well, I we'll go pick
her up, we'll go have some a little dinner, no
kid dinner, and then um, well we'll go back home tomorrow.
But well, I can't let you go without your in
depth breakdown of two more USFL games. By the way, today,
if you miss it, the Stars beat the Mallers thirty
to twenty three. The story there was the Stars were

(01:57:51):
up three having just scored a touchdown, and if you
don't know, in the USFL you can make a one
point of version, two point of version, yes, a three
point conversion. They went for it and they got it.
How significance is that three point aversion that ended up
winning the game thirty to twenty three. Well, I wrote

(01:58:11):
article for Fox Sports this week about how to wage
your on these games. Um, I said take all the
four unders. This not only went under this game, but
I said take the Stars in my six and a half.
And the Stars covered on the three point play. So
I'm a genius for that and now three and oh
on my straight up, I mean on my side totals sis,
I like, um, all right, So we got Stallions gamblers

(01:58:33):
because every game's in Birmingham, so Stallion gamblers today and
then tomorrow got breakers. And I think I like the
Stallions because um they had they were They had a
ton of yards in the first game but just didn't
score a bunch and multise teams won their first game,
and Houston won like seventeen twelve, it was like a weird,
awkward game. Um so I even I get what I wrote.
But I've been watching USFL. It's been on what do

(01:58:55):
you think of the actual brand of football? I mean
we're only two games in, but it I mean first
week every game was an underplay and we actually had
some It was three and one under swimming from three
one a week one. Um, when I watch it, it's football.
When when I watched it, I think I said, okay,
this is this is passing US for football. Like I was,
I just don't want it to be one of these
leagues where you look at your like that's just sloppy,

(01:59:16):
ugly football. The quarterback players have been too great yet.
Um but I like the innovation with the helmet cam.
It's been fun to watch the helmet cam. The problem
with the ground level cameras is that it really shows.
There's literally and these games it's tough. You really don't
it's unless you go like to the COVID style of

(01:59:36):
covering games where you have the camera angles, don't show
the crowd. There's no hiding it these games. But again,
they're only goal for a season one is to have
season two and look, the numbers have been good so far.
People have watched, which is important. I mean, they're not.
This is not gonna make it because people go to
games in Birmingham. It's gonna make it because people watch
on television and people have done that so far. And
it's up in a joint venture with Fox NBC and

(01:59:58):
UM it's football, so we'll see what happens. Is all right,
So your best play is what unders. Just take both
unders today, alright, So under stadions, gamblers, underbreakers, bandits, enjoy
your night with all these stars in Malvin Appreciate it, alright,
keep it there on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, can you
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