On today’s episode, Jason discusses the social media-led pushback on Miami (OH)'s near-perfect season and Bam Adebayo's 83-point scoring barrage on Tuesday, why he's less than optimistic that Kyler Murray will have some sort of career renaissance with the Minnesota Vikings, and why he's vehemently against the narrative that the Las Vegas Raiders absolutely cannot start presumptive top-pick Fernando Mendoza in Week One of the upcoming NFL season.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up, Straight Firefighter. It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight
Bowyer for Friday, March the thirteenth. It's Friday the thirteenth,
Ladies and gentlemen, we get another glorious day of college basketball.
Thursday was incredible. I don't know if Friday can match it.
I mean, you know, we had one of the closest
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days in college College Basketball ACC Tournament history. Duke escapes
eighty seventy nine. UNC loses eighty seventy nine. The games
are just crazy. I will say I didn't post picks yesterday.
I'm an idiot, and of course it was just a
banger of a day. I will try to get some
picks up. A programming note, I'm not on the Herd
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on Friday. I'm hosting all next week. I'm like, listen,
I need a day to get prepared mentally. Obviously, there's
so much happening tournaments. The tournament begins next Thursday. The
brackets come out Sunday. Obviously I'm joining a Calcutta but
now I'm not allowed to talk about it on air. Sorry,
(01:14):
ladies and gentlemen. I've got two championship games next week.
It's just gonna be tough. I already told the wife,
lisn't I can't do school pick up at all this week. Sorry,
I'm sorry. I'll get it out of my system. Now.
Let me know what you need over the weekend. But
I am gonna be I got you know. The next
week's a big one. This weekend, my daughter's semifinals for
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her league were the three time defending champs. We could
be in some trouble. Listen, man, it March. It's quite
a month. And I want to start because I saw
an interesting tweet from somebody and I'm just gonna read
the two sentences. It's short. Actually, Bam out of Bayo
scoring eighty three points wasn't that impressive. Actually, Miami of
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Ohio going d one one isn't that impressive? And they
aren't that good. Like it's been a weird week. So
Miami of Ohio loses yesterday to U MASS. I actually
had UMass plus seven and Miami of Ohio will not
win their conference tournament. They went undefeated in the regular season,
the first team to do that since damn it. I
don't have Google Gemini up, but I had it. I
(02:22):
think it was hold on, I've got it right here,
my bad. Okay, here we go. So Gonzaga in twenty
twenty one went undefeated. I think that was the Jalen
Suggs team twenty fifteen Kentucky. I'm fairly certain that was
the Karl Anthony Towns team Wichita State twenty fourteen, Ron
Baker and fred Vinvliet, Saint Joe's, Delante West and Jamior
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Nelson two thousand and four, and UNLV nineteen ninety one,
the Juggernaut that lost to Duke in the Final four.
So in the last forty five years, six teams have
got undefeated in the regular season. That's it. Miami of
Ohio is one of them, and Miami of Ohio is
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now getting crushed because, oh wait a minute, they lost
to UMass. They're not that good. They don't don't have
any quad one wins. Look at their schedule, they didn't
bet anybody. They went undefeated. If it were that easy
to do a lot of people would do it. Six
teams in forty five years. So essentially this happens, I
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don't know, forty five divided by six seven points something.
Every seven years we see something like this. A team
goes undefeated in the regular season, and now we're saying
they're not that good because they didn't beat anybody in
the regular season and Auburn should get in over them.
It just it makes no sense. I feel like it's
a dumb conversation. And then I pull back and I'm like,
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you know what this you know what this feels like.
It feels like a bunch of trolls just doing engagement
for me, just taking the other side.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Well, they suck.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
How could they be good? They haven't been anybody their
best is I'm just making it up, UNLV or whatever, Like, huh.
They won every single game they played in the regular season,
and they're not that good. And it's just a weird
time because the other one was Bam out of Bayo.
And again I didn't see this in real time because
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I was playing a men's league game, but Rob of
course just destroyed Bam out of Bayo. He called him
sham out of Bayo, called it unethical. It was great.
Rob g was on a roll. He was absolutely cookie
and then a lot of other people were crushing Bam
And I'm like, the man scored eighty three points. I
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don't care how you get it. This is the NBA
eighty three points and we're hating on that, and Rob,
we know I don't want it. So when I when
I was at actually, no, I'll go ahead and say it.
So I had gone on Undisputed a bunch, and you know,
(05:00):
you cook up your takes before, and I'm not one
to fake the funk. I'm not gonna say stuff I
don't believe. And every time I would go on Undisputed,
I was being perceived as like some kind of hater
and I was being negative on whoever I was talking about,
whether I'm Lamar Jackson, Tom Brady, whatever, whatever the topic was.
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And so I said, man, am I being perceived as
a hater? Maybe I should try to be more positive?
And I had a couple of positive takes and I
looked at them, the metrics on them, because you know,
they then posted on the social media page of Undisputed
back in the day, and wouldn't you know it, the
positive takes Joe Smith is the best tight end in
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the league or whatever it is. They didn't cut through
and get the views that the negative takes did. And
at that point I put it two and two together.
I was like, it's interesting. Some of the how do
I say this politely, some of the more highly comp
and sated TV hosts who I have never worked with before.
(06:06):
Just to be clear, obviously we're not talking about Colin.
Some of these guys just skew heavily negative so they
can go viral and piss people off and get them
talking about them online. And it feels like everybody's trying
to do that. I don't want to say clout chasing,
but on social media, they're just trying to hate.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Man.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Everybody sucks. Everything stinks. I hate this. I hate that overrated.
And I know some people right now are being like
j Mac, that's you on SGA. No, no, no, no, that.
I don't think it's the same. I respect SGA. He's
really good. I don't think he's the best player in
the league. I don't think he's the most dominant player
in the league. I don't think there's not Thunder going
to win the title this year. I thought their title
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was not totally fraudulent. But let's go through it.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
UH.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Game seven against Denver, Eric Gordon gets hurt. He's on
an ankle, one ankle barely. Game seven, they win NBA Finals,
facing Hilo Burton losing at home in Game seven, he
goes down with an achilles like a couple. I'm not
saying put an asterisk by it, but let's be realistic.
That stuff needs to be pointed out. And yeah, you
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can do it for the Raptors, the most overrated NBA
title of the century with the Warriors depleted, the greatest
team in NBA history. I mean, some people tried to
do it with Lebron when he lost Kevin Love and
Kyrie and lost to the Warriors. Okay, well, fine, you
can discount that one, but what about the other titles
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the Warriors won? You know, I don't want to be
that hater, but it is interesting that all of a sudden,
Miami of Ohio undefeated, Dad, They're not that who They
beat Bam out to Bio eighty three points, I don't know,
and not that impressive, And it just it struck me
as this is a weird time to be alive because
rob social media narratives, once they take hold, you can't
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shake him. And we're seeing this. I think this is
part of the reason this Raven's trade was undone. I
honestly think there was such pushback to first for Max
Crosby and you've got to pay him, and Trey Hendrickson
nobody's paying him anywhere close to a Crosby's getting the
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narrative take hold takes hold and it's like, Raven's got
a bad deal. What's the front office doing? They botched
this and they are saying, hey, it was the it
was the medical, the failed medical. We're gonna do it.
I don't know, it just feels like social media and
this is you know, social media has been around largely
what we're like fifteen now, it's probably close to twenty
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years of Twitter. Facebook is probably twenty five, YouTube is
probably twenty, Instagram is probably in the fifteen range. I mean,
this is still its infancy, folks. I mean think about it.
Cable tv came out in the early nineties, okay early now,
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that's when guess what, the Dallas Cowboys pop because Dallas
is dominant cable TV showing more football games and what
do you know, the rise of the Internet and cable
tv and boom, now you've got Dallas Cowboys, America's team.
So like there's a I think this social media stuff
is really getting out of hand. Rob and I don't know,
you were down on the Bay ab out of Mayo
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eighty three points. A lot of people were where are
you on Miami Ohio.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Well, I think that's a different conversation altogether. Like the
Miami Ohio one was very clearly a situation where one
person got a narrative going in an effort to prop
up his own son's team like that. That's all it was,
like he was.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
But it got bigger than that though, But nobody was
really talking.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I mean you mentioned it with Seth Davis, with fran Fascilla,
like nobody was really talking about Miami Ohio missing the
tournament with the record that they had. Nobody was now
you weren't going to say they were a top you know,
four seed or anything like that. It was just they're
having a great season. They're going to get in. We
don't think they're that great. But nobody is in their
right mind gonna turn down a thirty and oh team thirty.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Well, and the problem is the social media gets so
big that Joelnardi on Friday now has them in the
last four in and all these bracketologists that you know
they follow Joe Lonardi and now Miami of Ohio last
four in. So when the committee meets, are they gonna
see all these people online ting wow? Last four in
I don't know, man, Hey, Tennessee gets this win or whatever,
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and that I think that's more of the point. Like
it is starting with Miami of Ohio on Thursday, and
my guess is all weekend Miami Ohio is gonna because
there's really no other juicy topic. I mean, Duke's not
losing the one, right, even though they looked awful, Arizona's cemented,
you know, the other ones are cemented. It feels like
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miamim Ohio. And you know they like to shit on
the mid majors. Rop they love to screw them. They
put them again see each other in the first round.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
You know, I will say this. I think that to
your point. You know, when it comes to sports, and
in this case where there's a committee involved, just like
college football, as much as you want to reward the
best team and the most deserving team, the reality is
is it's an entertainment product, right, And I think that
if push comes to shove and if these committee members
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are really debating the merits of Miami ohiovers I don't know,
like you said, Tennessee, I don't know whoever, whoever is
another team that's on the bubble. I think you're more
than likely going to get a situation where they say,
we are going to get more eyeballs or more attention
with the little engine that could Miami the underdog story
than we ever would with the sixty first best team
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in Tennessee. Like the the likelihood that it hits buy
on Tennessee, The likely that the team like Tennessee is
going to make a deep run is not going to
be enough for us to put them in over a
team like Miami. Who So even if they get blown
out in the opening round, the fact is they were
the Cinderella story that everyone was excited about coming into
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the tournament. So you're gonna have people gonna want to
tune in to see, Hey, you know, they were undefeated
up until four days ago. Let's see how good they
really are going against you know, NC States or something
like that, you know what I mean. Like that's what
I think more like is gonna happen when it comes
to bam Atabayou. I don't think I was out of
line at all with what I said. I think I
think that Eric Spolstra's response was a little surprising. You know.
(12:32):
I'll read part of it in in quote here. I
don't care. I'm not losing any sleep over what others
are saying, what's ethical, what's not. He'd already broken a
bunch of records. We're gonna go for it. I would
do it ten at a time, ten times out of
ten again for Bam. I'm not apologizing to nobody about this.
I think most people that probably made comments didn't watch.
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That's irresponsible or unethical. Now, you can defend Bama of
Bio all you want, because no matter what I think,
or you think, or Colin thinks or anybody, the reality
is the stat book is always going to say Wilt
one Bam to Kobe three, no matter what anybody says,
that's going to be there forever. You can defend him
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as your franchise player. You can defend him like you
did in his post game saying, hey, BAM's a great guy,
and you know the perception that superstars have to score,
and he's kind of fucking that trend. And he's the
kind of person who I have my five K walk
for charity and he shows up without telling anybody like
that's great, and that's wonderful and I'm sure Bam out
of Bio is a tremendous person. He's a phenomenal basketball player.
(13:37):
I love you as a Laker, but you can also
be honest and point out things that are not exactly kosher.
I think that's not being a hater. I think that's
being objective. Like, you know me, I'm one of the
biggest Laker fans you know out here, and somehow I
get a reputation for bashing Lebron James and I'm a
(13:58):
Lebron hater, right, And it's like, well, I think it
is possible to celebrate when things are great, condemn things
when things that are upset or are bad, and being
able to differentiate between the two, Like, I think that's
something that you do really well. You just said you
appreciate how good SGA and the Thunder are and it's
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hard not to like they are a very good team.
He is a very good player. He's a great player.
You could also point out he's a foul merchant. You
can also point out that they had a lot of
things break their way on the way to the championship
last year. That doesn't make you a hater, it makes
you a realist. It makes you somebody who's willing to
tell the entire story of what happened, and not just
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part of it that you agree with.
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Speaker 2 (14:57):
I don't know if you saw that, well, I don't
rob you were young. There was this guy, uh Dewan
Wagner who ended up playing with Lebron and the Cavs.
He was in the NBA small but I'll never forget.
I was working at this newspaper and we started to
get calls. This was before much before well before social media.
(15:17):
We were getting calls, Hey, this Kiddwan Wagner like one
of the top recruits in the country. He dropped a
hundred points tonight in New Jersey in a basketball game.
I was like, no, that's impossible, come on, one hundred
points and people start freaking out, like, oh my gosh,
this is real. So, you know, we got to call
a million people and figure out, like, oh, what did
he actually do? So he went to Camden High School
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and yeah, the guy was just a scoring machine. He
actually scored he was it one hundred? No, no, he
got eight. It looks like it was eighty points in
a win by sixty something, And yeah it was eighty points.
And people were going crazy like, oh my gosh. And
then the following year he scored one hundred in a
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game and Rob, I mean there was zero that I
can recall, Oh my gosh, this is horrible that. Why
were they piling on beating this bad team whatever? Scored
one hundred, one hundred points and to get that, don't
care who you are, that's amazing. It should be celebrated.
But in now, with the era, with social media and
the highlights and you know, you can start to pick
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stuff apart. I wish there was video of Wilt's one
under point game. I've never seen video of you. I
don't have you doesn't exist, So no video at all
a Wilts hunderd point game. I wonder how much stat
padding there was in that one. How many plumbers and
electricians were getting cooked by Will and that one. Guys
who might struggle to score in my men's league.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You know, by all accounts, there was a lot of
shenanigans taking place there, especially at the end, because I
guess that the other team was aware of what they
were trying to do, and you know they're fouling on purpose.
That kind of stuff not unlike unsimilar to what bam
Adebio did. That's why I thought it was funny that
there were people who were saying, well, you know, when
Devin Booker got seventy, they didn't a losing effort. He
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was chasing points there at the end. Or you know
when Kobe got his eighty one, his last eleven came
at the free throw line when they were up by fifteen.
And it's like, well, yeah, that's that's fair. And I'm
never going to contemn a guy for going for and
try to break around matter. I don't condemn Bam at
all for going for the points. What everyone had a
problem with, and maybe this is what Eric Spolszer doesn't
want to acknowledge. Nobody had an issue with you leaving
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Bam in up twenty five to try to get seventy
seventy five, eighty whatever. No one had an issue with
Bam chucking up triple team three pointers. No one had
an issue with Bam barreling into people's chest trying to
get foul calls. The issue was you're intentionally fouling guys
to extend the game. You're missing free throws on purpose,
You're doing all these things that are not basketball. If
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they're up thirty and bam, still chucking to get points,
no problem. Hey, cool for you. I mean I probably
would have taken him out togain and I get hurt,
But cool, go for it. But what you're doing is
you're messing with the integrity of sport. You're messing with
what people tune in to watch. Nobody tunes in for
that kind of stuff. Nobody's gonna tune in. We were
about the touch push off the time. No one tunes
in to watch a rugby scrumm in football, Like, that's
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not football, and you and that's the reason why that
play mike it out loud, and so it's I understand
your original point about how social media has made it
like hip to be negative and how it's always great
to dump on things, and to an extent, I definitely
understand that. I just think that there is a difference
between hating on something and telling the full story.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Well, let's try to tell the full story on Kyler Murray.
He signs with the Minnesota Vikings one year deal for
the minimum. You know, it's actually a wonderful deal. You
get a former number one pick on the super cheap.
Whether or not this materializes and he becomes a starter,
we'll see. Rob g floated the idea that this could
(18:55):
be another Daniel Jones to the Colts, where you had
the incumbent Anthony Richardson, young guy, kind of unproven, had
some injuries, and you got Daniel Jones coming in, a
proven vet comes in and get and wins the job.
And I didn't think of it that way, but you know,
the Colts had Chainstike in good offensive mind, the Vikings
(19:15):
have Kevin O'Connell great offensive mind, And yeah, why can't
why couldn't it be a similar situation. I guess my
only thing is, like the history of Kyler Murray, nothing
tells me that he's absolutely gonna cook in this scenario.
I just I don't see a world where all of
a sudden it clicks and all of a sudden Kyler
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is like doing the homework, putting in the extra reps,
first in, last out, all that nerdy stuff that you
gotta do to get over the top. Now, JJ McCarthy
may just not be good. It's possible it is not
entirely good at football. I hope that that's not true.
I really believe in this kid. I was a fan
of him coming out of Michigan. He obviously did not
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look great for much of last year. They have a
couple of good pieces, right with Jefferson and Hockinson and Addison.
I mean, they've got some pieces. Offensive line is eh,
here's my thing, Rob. If Kyler Murray has such a
good chance there, why did nobody else want him? Why
were there no other takers for Kyler Murray? Now he
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doesn't have the injury history that Daniel Jones has. Daniel Jones,
of course has now three seasons have ended due to injury.
Three And I'm just I thought it was a fluky
awesome run that they had last year with Jonathan Taylor's
amazing run game. That run game does not exist in
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Minnesota if memory serves, they dumped Aaron Jones and it
looks like they're starting running back and their running back
room is I don't know, maybe they're in the mix
for the kid from Notre Dame, Aaron Price. No, Aaron
Jones still on the roster, I see, but there were
rumors that they were going.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
To restras make sured his deal to bring Are they
cut him they got him back or something like that.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Got him and brought Okay, Jordan Mason is the backup.
He runs hard, former forty nine er. It's fine. I
don't necessarily believe in that division that they're going to
be able to rock and roll. I mean, it's a
much tougher division than playing the Jags and the Texans
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and the Titans, three bad teams. The Vikings are clearly
the worst team in this division. I personally don't see it, Rob,
but I don't know, maybe you do.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I tend to agree with you that if it's just
on its face, is Kyler Murray that great where I'm like, oh,
I'm so excited. Definitely, the Vikings are the number one
team and they're a super Bowl threat. Again. No, but
if you're comparing him to JJ McCarthy, like, that's a
different conversation. As far as I know, the Vikings won
nine games last year almost positive. JJ McCarthy played in
ten of them. Fifty seven percent completion, sixteen hundred yards,
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eleven touchdown, twelve picks, and the tape was even worse
than that. Like the numbers on them on their face
look way better than had we actually played. You could
argue the best game that he played was actually his
first start against Chicago, and you remember we had for
three quarter he was terrible for three quarters, then he
was awesome in the fourth. Yeah. And Kyler Murray, especially
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last season, I think one of the worst seasons of
his career. You know, nine hundred and sixty two passing yards,
six touchdowns, three picks, five games rush for one hundred
and seventy two another score. When he was their quarterback
and they were relatively healthy. The Cardinals only average two
hundred and eighty eight yards of offense and twenty points
a game, so they were mediocre to bad with good skill.
Position was good like Dre McBride, Marvin Harrison Junior, like
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all those guys were there, James Connor was there this
before he got hurt, and they weren't good. But if
you're asking me, can Kyler Murray with all of his talent,
whether he's a great quarterback or not, like I don't
think he is, But is he better than jjmore? Absolutely?
Can he be better than Daniel Jones? Wasn't? Of course
he can just in terms of rawability, Like he is
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one of the more talented quarterbacks in football, and now
you get him with one of the best coaches in football,
with one of the best receivers in football, one of
the best tight ends in football, and it's like, well,
you can do something whether he's good or not. Sam
Donald won fourteen games with these guys, and Sam Donald
wanted you know, like, even though he has a Super
Bowl and you know we stand Sam Donald, I'm not
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gonna call him a great quarterback. And so if the
bar is just, hey be competent. When JJ has single coverage,
throw it out to him and make something happen. Play
action passes deep, hit over the middle to Addison. If
not it's not there, check it down to Hockinson. That alone,
with that defense, which is going to force a lot
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of turnovers, you're gonna win a lot of games like that.
And so do I think he can have a Daniel
Darvisteris absolutely, But that doesn't mean he's a great quarterback either.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, I'm looking at the schedule for the Viking, so
we know the Kryptoniite for Kyler Murray's outdoors away games
at Chicago at Green Bay, it's different if you have
to face them in September or December. Obviously at Detroit's indoors,
Saints indoors, Tampa Bay outdoors. Now, there could be rain,
you know, obviously Tampa weather can be spotty, but it's
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not cold Jets that will be cold like likely. I mean,
starting like late October, you're looking at you know, fifties
or below. Patriots will be a cold weather game and
the Niners won't be. But there's familiarity there. So with
only four cold weather potential games, let's see what the
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schedule bakers do. Honestly, if they face those four games
early on, I would not be now now that I
think about it, I would not be shocked if Kyler
were the starter, but I would still bet. I wouldn't bet.
I'm sorry, I will predict. I'm definitely not betting on
what a coach is doing. JJ McCarthy's the start of
week one? What's your best guest, Rob?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I think Kyler's gonna start Week one?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I think this trade has more everything to do with
JJ McCarthy and just a little bit to do with
Kyler Murray. I think this is their way of trying
to right or wrong that they know, making that trade
for him, selecting him the top ten when he had
very limited college reps, you know, actually having to throw
the football, letting go of Sam Donald after fourteen wins,
letting go of Daniel Jones, after being your system for
(25:20):
a year, not even entertaining the idea of speaking with
Aaron Rodgers, and it led to a lost season for
them last year. So I think this is their way
of saying JJ's not the guy. We don't know if
Kyler is the guy, but at minimum he's better.
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Speaker 2 (25:47):
We could wrap up with the other quarterback issue, and
Coward and I disagreed pretty significantly on this. The Raiders
are going to grab or did grab Kirk Cousins. I
don't know. Is that a done deal?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
All signs pointing to it, nothing official as of you
know whatever, midnight Eastern.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I like that if Kirk Cousins is coming into one
hundred percent be the backup, right, a stable veteran leader.
I think he's thirty seven turns thirty eight in November
or something like that, and clearly doesn't have the arm
strength to be to be a number one. Okay, he's
a fine backup a Malik Willis, if you will, popping
in doing some things and then giving back to the starter.
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But there is a world out there where they're bringing
in cousins to be the starter under the guise of well,
it's good to get your guy to sit the first year. See,
it worked for Aaron Rodgers, it worked for Patrick Mahomes
and I and that's where I like, take a deep
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breath and I'm like, guys, well we'll hold up. It
did not work for Aaron Rodgers. They liked what they saw.
He was a multi year starter at Cal. He had
no chance of starting over future Hall of Famer Brett
Favre Zero. There was no world where he was starting.
They didn't. They didn't get him to sit him. They
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got him because they thought he was going to be
an awesome quarterback and hey, let's get him in the system.
We'll hold on to him. He'll get his chance. Patrick
Mahomes is also interesting because Mahomes, if you remember, was
drafted to a team that had Alex Smith, former number
one pick, and had just gone to the playoffs, and
I think they won their playoff game or they lost
to the Titans. I forget it. It might have been
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a loss to Mariota. Either way, they had just made
the playoffs, and Mahomes came from the Big twelve where
he was I think at the time I joked that
he was like in he was putting up Arena league
numbers against Arena League defenses, and I didn't think he
was a sure fire starter, And clearly others didn't because
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nobody took him in the top ten until the Chiefs did.
And so this idea that, oh, well, you could just
sit Mendoza time out. Kirk Cousins is a borderline washed
quarterback who's done nothing in the last couple of years.
This team was not in the playoffs. Mendoza is a
multi year's college starter, just won every award, won the
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national championship, led the team to them. It wasn't like
he was JJ McCarthy, as Rob alluded to with Michigan.
This guy's ready to start. What are we doing? The
only way you're gonna get better is by doing I'll
never forget twenty nineteen. You know, my brother at this
point was like, Oh, Joe Rogan's I've seen him in
(28:36):
comedy shorts shows, Jay, you gotta watch him.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
So I turn off.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Started listening to some of the Rogan podcasts and there
was some interesting guests, and there was this one guy,
this Indian like tech VC guy who was doing a
lot of philosophical stuff, naval Ravi Kant, and I was
blown away by his Rogan interview in two thousand and nine,
just absolutely flaw I was like, this is one of
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the smartest scouts I've ever heard. I can't believe this.
And I've listened to the pod with him or parts
of it multiple times, and honestly, every month I go
to see if he's going on any podcast. That's how
sharp and smart this guy is super fascinating. And one
of his I don't know if it was his take
on Rogan or on a different podcast, but he went
into this rant about the only way to run a
(29:24):
business is to run a business. You can take courses
in business, you can work at a business, but until
you are actually running the show and making decisions and
controlling the P and L reports and controlling the social
media and doing everything, you don't know how to run
a business. And it makes obvious sense, right, very clear.
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The only way to be a quarterback in the NFL
is to actually go on the field. I don't know
if Patrick Mahomes learned.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I don't know what he learned.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
There are reports that in the year not that he
became the starter, but the year before, when Alex Smith
was still the guy. I think it was Peter Schrager.
I don't remember exactly who, but it was essentially, oh
my gosh, this guy Mahomes is special the things he's
doing in practice, but they had the veteran Alex Smith, right,
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So what was Mahomes ready? Could he have cooked that year?
Will never know. Nobody will know the answer to that.
I don't care what you say, you don't know. I
don't know. I mean, Andy Reid doesn't know. The only
way Mendoza's gonna We're gonna find out if he's good
as if he plays, and this idea, well, we'll start
him after Thanksgiving or after hollow why. I mean, if
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he's injured, obviously, don't play him. If he stinks up
the joint in the preseason, like he's awful, like maybe
it looks like, oh my gosh, this guy cannot play
then don't play it. But there's zero evidence that's gonna happen,
given his background and everything. And I don't know, Robert.
I just think it would be a disservice to be like, Oh,
we're gonna sit Mendoza in year what? No way? I mean,
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even Jackson Dart Like, it's very clear he should have
started from day one. Last year, right, cam Ward started
from day one. They weren't great. But if he sat
so Will Levis or whoever could have been the start,
is that gonna.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Help cam Ward.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
He's got that crappy year out of his system. He's
ready to hit the ground running in year two. I
don't know, Rob, this is your team, so I'm very
curious where you fall. But I'm pro if you draft
him first top ten. I don't know what the line
of demarcation is, Like Lamar did not start. They had
Joe Flacco and then I don't remember Flaka. I think
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Flacco was injured and that's why Lamart went in, okay,
and then Lamar went in and he never came out
and they made the playoffs and then lost it. I
think it was the Chargers. But where do you fall,
Rob on this Mendoza. I don't know if it's versus
Kirk Cousins, but the Mendoza situation, Yeah, I don't know
if I'm.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Settling any beef with you and Colin, But I don't
think there is a hard and fast rule when it
comes to quarterbacks. Like you mentioned Holmes, you mentioned Aaron Rodgers, Hey,
well they sat and they ended up being pretty good. Well,
you mentioned Peyton Manning. He sucked start off with it.
He ended up being pretty good, right Like Joe Burrow
ended up being pretty good. Jane Daniel's rookie season was
pretty good. Like, it is entirely possible that you can
go in as a rookie week one and take your
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lumps and be good relatively quickly. It's entirely possible. It's
also possible you get thrown to the wolves like Zach Wilson,
and you suck and you never recover. Right, it is
what it is. I will say to your point, you're
never gonna know how good a guy can be until
he's out there. With that said, the problem is you
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can know whether or not a guy is ready like that,
that's a different thing. Whether he's good is a different conversation.
Is he ready to be out there with the grown
man with the live bullets is a different thing. Two
guys that we saw got thrown out there early. I
don't think has anything to do with their talent, more
to do they were just not ready. Athony Richardson was
not ready, point blank per He needed more reps. He
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needed more. That was the problem with him, is he
needed as many reps as possible. The problem is the
team around him was good enough where they could not
afford to let him learn on the job. JJ McCarthy
the same thing. He did not get enough real reps
at Michigan where he had to throw the football, where
he had to be responsible and making things happen, and
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he got put in a situation where the team was
good enough around him that he had to be ready
sooner than what he was. As soon as Fernando Mendoza
is quote unquote ready, he should start. If that means
he's ready and he can be competent and he can,
you know, not get himself hurt or killed or get
his teammates killed by throwing hospital balls. He should be
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out there because you're building something long term. If you
see him in training camp or in preseason and he
is a deer in the headlights and he looks shooketh
beyond recognition. Then I have no problem with you letting Kirk,
Cousins or whoever take the lumps be the guy who's
like the guiding force. Teach this guy how to practice,
teach him how to watch film so that when he
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does get his chance, he's able to put his best
foot forward. Yeah, so that's what I think it comes
down to me.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, I mean I can't imagine a scenario where a
guy who updates his LinkedIn page is going to be
a deer in the headlights. But anything can happen. It's
interesting you mentioned Zach Wilson, but if we had SAT,
if the Jets had sat Zach Wilson, would uh would
he have been successful? I can almost unequivocally tell you no.
You know, he's a guy who didn't play a lot
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in college. I think he had one year. There was
some injuries. You're right, no hard and fast rule, But
like I mean, it's Mendoza, guys, it's a guy, he's
the future. I think you got to start him. It's
like arch Manning, right, sat for what two three years,
came out and he was almost deer in the headlights
(34:53):
at Texas. Yeah, I mean he's going in the next
season as the guy and number one heisten guy and.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Everything future Jet arch Manning.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Potentially, we'll see. They got to get the number one pick.
All right, that's a long Friday podcast. Everybody have a
great weekend. And you know Rob's got his own new
podcast out there. You got to check that out Restricted Area,
Rob g in the Place to Be. I know you
guys like the takes. And I saw somebody Rob's shout
you or me out on social about how you mentioned
(35:27):
me before. Rob. I'm sure Rob Parker did not take that. Well.
He has banned me from the Odd Couple because I
pulled down his pants so badly in so many arguments.
I know that's your guy, Sorry, but yeah, it just
it's a bloodbath every time we try to go ahead
to head. Are you watching the Lakers right now? Rob?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
It's of course I am.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Of course it is about to get a fifty piece.
They might just pull him.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
You got to talk about unethical basketball. Watch the Lakers
play defense.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Well, they're playing the bulls. I mean, I don't I'm
Leonard Miller. Who is that?
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Whoever? They are there. They're giving us the business. About
to finish with one hundred and twenty plus points from Chicago.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Lakers are saving it for Saturday, another big one against
the Nuggets. Nuggets, by the way, on Thursday night, took
down the Spurs.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Did Wemby less Spurs, Wemby didn't play.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I was shocked on salad scroll. I was like, oh no,
no Wemby. Jokic thirty one, twenty and twelve, Jamal Murray
thirty nine. I did like this though, Castle thirty eleven
and ten. So no Wembin Yama. Who else is gonna
eat my guy? Steph Castle. I'm just he's twenty one.
Oh my god's so scary. All right, all right, we're out.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
See you
This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up, Straight Firefighter. It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight
Bowyer for Friday, March the thirteenth. It's Friday the thirteenth,
Ladies and gentlemen, we get another glorious day of college basketball.
Thursday was incredible. I don't know if Friday can match it.
I mean, you know, we had one of the closest
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days in college College Basketball ACC Tournament history. Duke escapes
eighty seventy nine. UNC loses eighty seventy nine. The games
are just crazy. I will say I didn't post picks yesterday.
I'm an idiot, and of course it was just a
banger of a day. I will try to get some
picks up. A programming note, I'm not on the Herd
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on Friday. I'm hosting all next week. I'm like, listen,
I need a day to get prepared mentally. Obviously, there's
so much happening tournaments. The tournament begins next Thursday. The
brackets come out Sunday. Obviously I'm joining a Calcutta but
now I'm not allowed to talk about it on air. Sorry,
(01:14):
ladies and gentlemen. I've got two championship games next week.
It's just gonna be tough. I already told the wife,
lisn't I can't do school pick up at all this week. Sorry,
I'm sorry. I'll get it out of my system. Now.
Let me know what you need over the weekend. But
I am gonna be I got you know. The next
week's a big one. This weekend, my daughter's semifinals for
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her league were the three time defending champs. We could
be in some trouble. Listen, man, it March. It's quite
a month. And I want to start because I saw
an interesting tweet from somebody and I'm just gonna read
the two sentences. It's short. Actually, Bam out of Bayo
scoring eighty three points wasn't that impressive. Actually, Miami of
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Ohio going d one one isn't that impressive? And they
aren't that good. Like it's been a weird week. So
Miami of Ohio loses yesterday to U MASS. I actually
had UMass plus seven and Miami of Ohio will not
win their conference tournament. They went undefeated in the regular season,
the first team to do that since damn it. I
don't have Google Gemini up, but I had it. I
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think it was hold on, I've got it right here,
my bad. Okay, here we go. So Gonzaga in twenty
twenty one went undefeated. I think that was the Jalen
Suggs team twenty fifteen Kentucky. I'm fairly certain that was
the Karl Anthony Towns team Wichita State twenty fourteen, Ron
Baker and fred Vinvliet, Saint Joe's, Delante West and Jamior
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Nelson two thousand and four, and UNLV nineteen ninety one,
the Juggernaut that lost to Duke in the Final four.
So in the last forty five years, six teams have
got undefeated in the regular season. That's it. Miami of
Ohio is one of them, and Miami of Ohio is
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now getting crushed because, oh wait a minute, they lost
to UMass. They're not that good. They don't don't have
any quad one wins. Look at their schedule, they didn't
bet anybody. They went undefeated. If it were that easy
to do a lot of people would do it. Six
teams in forty five years. So essentially this happens, I
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don't know, forty five divided by six seven points something.
Every seven years we see something like this. A team
goes undefeated in the regular season, and now we're saying
they're not that good because they didn't beat anybody in
the regular season and Auburn should get in over them.
It just it makes no sense. I feel like it's
a dumb conversation. And then I pull back and I'm like,
(03:49):
you know what this you know what this feels like.
It feels like a bunch of trolls just doing engagement
for me, just taking the other side.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Well, they suck.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
How could they be good? They haven't been anybody their
best is I'm just making it up, UNLV or whatever, Like, huh.
They won every single game they played in the regular season,
and they're not that good. And it's just a weird
time because the other one was Bam out of Bayo.
And again I didn't see this in real time because
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I was playing a men's league game, but Rob of
course just destroyed Bam out of Bayo. He called him
sham out of Bayo, called it unethical. It was great.
Rob g was on a roll. He was absolutely cookie
and then a lot of other people were crushing Bam
And I'm like, the man scored eighty three points. I
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don't care how you get it. This is the NBA
eighty three points and we're hating on that, and Rob,
we know I don't want it. So when I when
I was at actually, no, I'll go ahead and say it.
So I had gone on Undisputed a bunch, and you know,
(05:00):
you cook up your takes before, and I'm not one
to fake the funk. I'm not gonna say stuff I
don't believe. And every time I would go on Undisputed,
I was being perceived as like some kind of hater
and I was being negative on whoever I was talking about,
whether I'm Lamar Jackson, Tom Brady, whatever, whatever the topic was.
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And so I said, man, am I being perceived as
a hater? Maybe I should try to be more positive?
And I had a couple of positive takes and I
looked at them, the metrics on them, because you know,
they then posted on the social media page of Undisputed
back in the day, and wouldn't you know it, the
positive takes Joe Smith is the best tight end in
(05:44):
the league or whatever it is. They didn't cut through
and get the views that the negative takes did. And
at that point I put it two and two together.
I was like, it's interesting. Some of the how do
I say this politely, some of the more highly comp
and sated TV hosts who I have never worked with before.
(06:06):
Just to be clear, obviously we're not talking about Colin.
Some of these guys just skew heavily negative so they
can go viral and piss people off and get them
talking about them online. And it feels like everybody's trying
to do that. I don't want to say clout chasing,
but on social media, they're just trying to hate.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Man.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Everybody sucks. Everything stinks. I hate this. I hate that overrated.
And I know some people right now are being like
j Mac, that's you on SGA. No, no, no, no, that.
I don't think it's the same. I respect SGA. He's
really good. I don't think he's the best player in
the league. I don't think he's the most dominant player
in the league. I don't think there's not Thunder going
to win the title this year. I thought their title
(06:48):
was not totally fraudulent. But let's go through it.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
UH.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Game seven against Denver, Eric Gordon gets hurt. He's on
an ankle, one ankle barely. Game seven, they win NBA Finals,
facing Hilo Burton losing at home in Game seven, he
goes down with an achilles like a couple. I'm not
saying put an asterisk by it, but let's be realistic.
That stuff needs to be pointed out. And yeah, you
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can do it for the Raptors, the most overrated NBA
title of the century with the Warriors depleted, the greatest
team in NBA history. I mean, some people tried to
do it with Lebron when he lost Kevin Love and
Kyrie and lost to the Warriors. Okay, well, fine, you
can discount that one, but what about the other titles
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the Warriors won? You know, I don't want to be
that hater, but it is interesting that all of a sudden,
Miami of Ohio undefeated, Dad, They're not that who They
beat Bam out to Bio eighty three points, I don't know,
and not that impressive, And it just it struck me
as this is a weird time to be alive because
rob social media narratives, once they take hold, you can't
(08:00):
shake him. And we're seeing this. I think this is
part of the reason this Raven's trade was undone. I
honestly think there was such pushback to first for Max
Crosby and you've got to pay him, and Trey Hendrickson
nobody's paying him anywhere close to a Crosby's getting the
(08:22):
narrative take hold takes hold and it's like, Raven's got
a bad deal. What's the front office doing? They botched
this and they are saying, hey, it was the it
was the medical, the failed medical. We're gonna do it.
I don't know, it just feels like social media and
this is you know, social media has been around largely
what we're like fifteen now, it's probably close to twenty
(08:43):
years of Twitter. Facebook is probably twenty five, YouTube is
probably twenty, Instagram is probably in the fifteen range. I mean,
this is still its infancy, folks. I mean think about it.
Cable tv came out in the early nineties, okay early now,
(09:05):
that's when guess what, the Dallas Cowboys pop because Dallas
is dominant cable TV showing more football games and what
do you know, the rise of the Internet and cable
tv and boom, now you've got Dallas Cowboys, America's team.
So like there's a I think this social media stuff
is really getting out of hand. Rob and I don't know,
you were down on the Bay ab out of Mayo
(09:25):
eighty three points. A lot of people were where are
you on Miami Ohio.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Well, I think that's a different conversation altogether. Like the
Miami Ohio one was very clearly a situation where one
person got a narrative going in an effort to prop
up his own son's team like that. That's all it was,
like he was.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
But it got bigger than that though, But nobody was
really talking.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I mean you mentioned it with Seth Davis, with fran Fascilla,
like nobody was really talking about Miami Ohio missing the
tournament with the record that they had. Nobody was now
you weren't going to say they were a top you know,
four seed or anything like that. It was just they're
having a great season. They're going to get in. We
don't think they're that great. But nobody is in their
right mind gonna turn down a thirty and oh team thirty.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Well, and the problem is the social media gets so
big that Joelnardi on Friday now has them in the
last four in and all these bracketologists that you know
they follow Joe Lonardi and now Miami of Ohio last
four in. So when the committee meets, are they gonna
see all these people online ting wow? Last four in
I don't know, man, Hey, Tennessee gets this win or whatever,
(10:34):
and that I think that's more of the point. Like
it is starting with Miami of Ohio on Thursday, and
my guess is all weekend Miami Ohio is gonna because
there's really no other juicy topic. I mean, Duke's not
losing the one, right, even though they looked awful, Arizona's cemented,
you know, the other ones are cemented. It feels like
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miamim Ohio. And you know they like to shit on
the mid majors. Rop they love to screw them. They
put them again see each other in the first round.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
You know, I will say this. I think that to
your point. You know, when it comes to sports, and
in this case where there's a committee involved, just like
college football, as much as you want to reward the
best team and the most deserving team, the reality is
is it's an entertainment product, right, And I think that
if push comes to shove and if these committee members
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are really debating the merits of Miami ohiovers I don't know,
like you said, Tennessee, I don't know whoever, whoever is
another team that's on the bubble. I think you're more
than likely going to get a situation where they say,
we are going to get more eyeballs or more attention
with the little engine that could Miami the underdog story
than we ever would with the sixty first best team
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in Tennessee. Like the the likelihood that it hits buy
on Tennessee, The likely that the team like Tennessee is
going to make a deep run is not going to
be enough for us to put them in over a
team like Miami. Who So even if they get blown
out in the opening round, the fact is they were
the Cinderella story that everyone was excited about coming into
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the tournament. So you're gonna have people gonna want to
tune in to see, Hey, you know, they were undefeated
up until four days ago. Let's see how good they
really are going against you know, NC States or something
like that, you know what I mean. Like that's what
I think more like is gonna happen when it comes
to bam Atabayou. I don't think I was out of
line at all with what I said. I think I
think that Eric Spolstra's response was a little surprising. You know.
(12:32):
I'll read part of it in in quote here. I
don't care. I'm not losing any sleep over what others
are saying, what's ethical, what's not. He'd already broken a
bunch of records. We're gonna go for it. I would
do it ten at a time, ten times out of
ten again for Bam. I'm not apologizing to nobody about this.
I think most people that probably made comments didn't watch.
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That's irresponsible or unethical. Now, you can defend Bama of
Bio all you want, because no matter what I think,
or you think, or Colin thinks or anybody, the reality
is the stat book is always going to say Wilt
one Bam to Kobe three, no matter what anybody says,
that's going to be there forever. You can defend him
(13:16):
as your franchise player. You can defend him like you
did in his post game saying, hey, BAM's a great guy,
and you know the perception that superstars have to score,
and he's kind of fucking that trend. And he's the
kind of person who I have my five K walk
for charity and he shows up without telling anybody like
that's great, and that's wonderful and I'm sure Bam out
of Bio is a tremendous person. He's a phenomenal basketball player.
(13:37):
I love you as a Laker, but you can also
be honest and point out things that are not exactly kosher.
I think that's not being a hater. I think that's
being objective. Like, you know me, I'm one of the
biggest Laker fans you know out here, and somehow I
get a reputation for bashing Lebron James and I'm a
(13:58):
Lebron hater, right, And it's like, well, I think it
is possible to celebrate when things are great, condemn things
when things that are upset or are bad, and being
able to differentiate between the two, Like, I think that's
something that you do really well. You just said you
appreciate how good SGA and the Thunder are and it's
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hard not to like they are a very good team.
He is a very good player. He's a great player.
You could also point out he's a foul merchant. You
can also point out that they had a lot of
things break their way on the way to the championship
last year. That doesn't make you a hater, it makes
you a realist. It makes you somebody who's willing to
tell the entire story of what happened, and not just
(14:42):
part of it that you agree with.
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Speaker 2 (14:57):
I don't know if you saw that, well, I don't
rob you were young. There was this guy, uh Dewan
Wagner who ended up playing with Lebron and the Cavs.
He was in the NBA small but I'll never forget.
I was working at this newspaper and we started to
get calls. This was before much before well before social media.
(15:17):
We were getting calls, Hey, this Kiddwan Wagner like one
of the top recruits in the country. He dropped a
hundred points tonight in New Jersey in a basketball game.
I was like, no, that's impossible, come on, one hundred
points and people start freaking out, like, oh my gosh,
this is real. So, you know, we got to call
a million people and figure out, like, oh, what did
he actually do? So he went to Camden High School
(15:40):
and yeah, the guy was just a scoring machine. He
actually scored he was it one hundred? No, no, he
got eight. It looks like it was eighty points in
a win by sixty something, And yeah it was eighty points.
And people were going crazy like, oh my gosh. And
then the following year he scored one hundred in a
(16:01):
game and Rob, I mean there was zero that I
can recall, Oh my gosh, this is horrible that. Why
were they piling on beating this bad team whatever? Scored
one hundred, one hundred points and to get that, don't
care who you are, that's amazing. It should be celebrated.
But in now, with the era, with social media and
the highlights and you know, you can start to pick
(16:24):
stuff apart. I wish there was video of Wilt's one
under point game. I've never seen video of you. I
don't have you doesn't exist, So no video at all
a Wilts hunderd point game. I wonder how much stat
padding there was in that one. How many plumbers and
electricians were getting cooked by Will and that one. Guys
who might struggle to score in my men's league.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You know, by all accounts, there was a lot of
shenanigans taking place there, especially at the end, because I
guess that the other team was aware of what they
were trying to do, and you know they're fouling on purpose.
That kind of stuff not unlike unsimilar to what bam
Adebio did. That's why I thought it was funny that
there were people who were saying, well, you know, when
Devin Booker got seventy, they didn't a losing effort. He
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was chasing points there at the end. Or you know
when Kobe got his eighty one, his last eleven came
at the free throw line when they were up by fifteen.
And it's like, well, yeah, that's that's fair. And I'm
never going to contemn a guy for going for and
try to break around matter. I don't condemn Bam at
all for going for the points. What everyone had a
problem with, and maybe this is what Eric Spolszer doesn't
want to acknowledge. Nobody had an issue with you leaving
(17:29):
Bam in up twenty five to try to get seventy
seventy five, eighty whatever. No one had an issue with
Bam chucking up triple team three pointers. No one had
an issue with Bam barreling into people's chest trying to
get foul calls. The issue was you're intentionally fouling guys
to extend the game. You're missing free throws on purpose,
You're doing all these things that are not basketball. If
(17:50):
they're up thirty and bam, still chucking to get points,
no problem. Hey, cool for you. I mean I probably
would have taken him out togain and I get hurt,
But cool, go for it. But what you're doing is
you're messing with the integrity of sport. You're messing with
what people tune in to watch. Nobody tunes in for
that kind of stuff. Nobody's gonna tune in. We were
about the touch push off the time. No one tunes
in to watch a rugby scrumm in football, Like, that's
(18:11):
not football, and you and that's the reason why that
play mike it out loud, and so it's I understand
your original point about how social media has made it
like hip to be negative and how it's always great
to dump on things, and to an extent, I definitely
understand that. I just think that there is a difference
between hating on something and telling the full story.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Well, let's try to tell the full story on Kyler Murray.
He signs with the Minnesota Vikings one year deal for
the minimum. You know, it's actually a wonderful deal. You
get a former number one pick on the super cheap.
Whether or not this materializes and he becomes a starter,
we'll see. Rob g floated the idea that this could
(18:55):
be another Daniel Jones to the Colts, where you had
the incumbent Anthony Richardson, young guy, kind of unproven, had
some injuries, and you got Daniel Jones coming in, a
proven vet comes in and get and wins the job.
And I didn't think of it that way, but you know,
the Colts had Chainstike in good offensive mind, the Vikings
(19:15):
have Kevin O'Connell great offensive mind, And yeah, why can't
why couldn't it be a similar situation. I guess my
only thing is, like the history of Kyler Murray, nothing
tells me that he's absolutely gonna cook in this scenario.
I just I don't see a world where all of
a sudden it clicks and all of a sudden Kyler
(19:35):
is like doing the homework, putting in the extra reps,
first in, last out, all that nerdy stuff that you
gotta do to get over the top. Now, JJ McCarthy
may just not be good. It's possible it is not
entirely good at football. I hope that that's not true.
I really believe in this kid. I was a fan
of him coming out of Michigan. He obviously did not
(19:57):
look great for much of last year. They have a
couple of good pieces, right with Jefferson and Hockinson and Addison.
I mean, they've got some pieces. Offensive line is eh,
here's my thing, Rob. If Kyler Murray has such a
good chance there, why did nobody else want him? Why
were there no other takers for Kyler Murray? Now he
(20:21):
doesn't have the injury history that Daniel Jones has. Daniel Jones,
of course has now three seasons have ended due to injury.
Three And I'm just I thought it was a fluky
awesome run that they had last year with Jonathan Taylor's
amazing run game. That run game does not exist in
(20:42):
Minnesota if memory serves, they dumped Aaron Jones and it
looks like they're starting running back and their running back
room is I don't know, maybe they're in the mix
for the kid from Notre Dame, Aaron Price. No, Aaron
Jones still on the roster, I see, but there were
rumors that they were going.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
To restras make sured his deal to bring Are they
cut him they got him back or something like that.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Got him and brought Okay, Jordan Mason is the backup.
He runs hard, former forty nine er. It's fine. I
don't necessarily believe in that division that they're going to
be able to rock and roll. I mean, it's a
much tougher division than playing the Jags and the Texans
(21:22):
and the Titans, three bad teams. The Vikings are clearly
the worst team in this division. I personally don't see it, Rob,
but I don't know, maybe you do.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I tend to agree with you that if it's just
on its face, is Kyler Murray that great where I'm like, oh,
I'm so excited. Definitely, the Vikings are the number one
team and they're a super Bowl threat. Again. No, but
if you're comparing him to JJ McCarthy, like, that's a
different conversation. As far as I know, the Vikings won
nine games last year almost positive. JJ McCarthy played in
ten of them. Fifty seven percent completion, sixteen hundred yards,
(21:56):
eleven touchdown, twelve picks, and the tape was even worse
than that. Like the numbers on them on their face
look way better than had we actually played. You could
argue the best game that he played was actually his
first start against Chicago, and you remember we had for
three quarter he was terrible for three quarters, then he
was awesome in the fourth. Yeah. And Kyler Murray, especially
(22:18):
last season, I think one of the worst seasons of
his career. You know, nine hundred and sixty two passing yards,
six touchdowns, three picks, five games rush for one hundred
and seventy two another score. When he was their quarterback
and they were relatively healthy. The Cardinals only average two
hundred and eighty eight yards of offense and twenty points
a game, so they were mediocre to bad with good skill.
Position was good like Dre McBride, Marvin Harrison Junior, like
(22:40):
all those guys were there, James Connor was there this
before he got hurt, and they weren't good. But if
you're asking me, can Kyler Murray with all of his talent,
whether he's a great quarterback or not, like I don't
think he is, But is he better than jjmore? Absolutely?
Can he be better than Daniel Jones? Wasn't? Of course
he can just in terms of rawability, Like he is
(23:04):
one of the more talented quarterbacks in football, and now
you get him with one of the best coaches in football,
with one of the best receivers in football, one of
the best tight ends in football, and it's like, well,
you can do something whether he's good or not. Sam
Donald won fourteen games with these guys, and Sam Donald
wanted you know, like, even though he has a Super
Bowl and you know we stand Sam Donald, I'm not
(23:25):
gonna call him a great quarterback. And so if the
bar is just, hey be competent. When JJ has single coverage,
throw it out to him and make something happen. Play
action passes deep, hit over the middle to Addison. If
not it's not there, check it down to Hockinson. That alone,
with that defense, which is going to force a lot
(23:46):
of turnovers, you're gonna win a lot of games like that.
And so do I think he can have a Daniel
Darvisteris absolutely, But that doesn't mean he's a great quarterback either.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, I'm looking at the schedule for the Viking, so
we know the Kryptoniite for Kyler Murray's outdoors away games
at Chicago at Green Bay, it's different if you have
to face them in September or December. Obviously at Detroit's indoors,
Saints indoors, Tampa Bay outdoors. Now, there could be rain,
you know, obviously Tampa weather can be spotty, but it's
(24:16):
not cold Jets that will be cold like likely. I mean,
starting like late October, you're looking at you know, fifties
or below. Patriots will be a cold weather game and
the Niners won't be. But there's familiarity there. So with
only four cold weather potential games, let's see what the
(24:37):
schedule bakers do. Honestly, if they face those four games
early on, I would not be now now that I
think about it, I would not be shocked if Kyler
were the starter, but I would still bet. I wouldn't bet.
I'm sorry, I will predict. I'm definitely not betting on
what a coach is doing. JJ McCarthy's the start of
week one? What's your best guest, Rob?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I think Kyler's gonna start Week one?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I think this trade has more everything to do with
JJ McCarthy and just a little bit to do with
Kyler Murray. I think this is their way of trying
to right or wrong that they know, making that trade
for him, selecting him the top ten when he had
very limited college reps, you know, actually having to throw
the football, letting go of Sam Donald after fourteen wins,
letting go of Daniel Jones, after being your system for
(25:20):
a year, not even entertaining the idea of speaking with
Aaron Rodgers, and it led to a lost season for
them last year. So I think this is their way
of saying JJ's not the guy. We don't know if
Kyler is the guy, but at minimum he's better.
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Speaker 2 (25:47):
We could wrap up with the other quarterback issue, and
Coward and I disagreed pretty significantly on this. The Raiders
are going to grab or did grab Kirk Cousins. I
don't know. Is that a done deal?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
All signs pointing to it, nothing official as of you
know whatever, midnight Eastern.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I like that if Kirk Cousins is coming into one
hundred percent be the backup, right, a stable veteran leader.
I think he's thirty seven turns thirty eight in November
or something like that, and clearly doesn't have the arm
strength to be to be a number one. Okay, he's
a fine backup a Malik Willis, if you will, popping
in doing some things and then giving back to the starter.
(26:27):
But there is a world out there where they're bringing
in cousins to be the starter under the guise of well,
it's good to get your guy to sit the first year. See,
it worked for Aaron Rodgers, it worked for Patrick Mahomes
and I and that's where I like, take a deep
(26:49):
breath and I'm like, guys, well we'll hold up. It
did not work for Aaron Rodgers. They liked what they saw.
He was a multi year starter at Cal. He had
no chance of starting over future Hall of Famer Brett
Favre Zero. There was no world where he was starting.
They didn't. They didn't get him to sit him. They
(27:09):
got him because they thought he was going to be
an awesome quarterback and hey, let's get him in the system.
We'll hold on to him. He'll get his chance. Patrick
Mahomes is also interesting because Mahomes, if you remember, was
drafted to a team that had Alex Smith, former number
one pick, and had just gone to the playoffs, and
I think they won their playoff game or they lost
to the Titans. I forget it. It might have been
(27:31):
a loss to Mariota. Either way, they had just made
the playoffs, and Mahomes came from the Big twelve where
he was I think at the time I joked that
he was like in he was putting up Arena league
numbers against Arena League defenses, and I didn't think he
was a sure fire starter, And clearly others didn't because
(27:53):
nobody took him in the top ten until the Chiefs did.
And so this idea that, oh, well, you could just
sit Mendoza time out. Kirk Cousins is a borderline washed
quarterback who's done nothing in the last couple of years.
This team was not in the playoffs. Mendoza is a
multi year's college starter, just won every award, won the
(28:14):
national championship, led the team to them. It wasn't like
he was JJ McCarthy, as Rob alluded to with Michigan.
This guy's ready to start. What are we doing? The
only way you're gonna get better is by doing I'll
never forget twenty nineteen. You know, my brother at this
point was like, Oh, Joe Rogan's I've seen him in
(28:36):
comedy shorts shows, Jay, you gotta watch him.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
So I turn off.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Started listening to some of the Rogan podcasts and there
was some interesting guests, and there was this one guy,
this Indian like tech VC guy who was doing a
lot of philosophical stuff, naval Ravi Kant, and I was
blown away by his Rogan interview in two thousand and nine,
just absolutely flaw I was like, this is one of
(29:01):
the smartest scouts I've ever heard. I can't believe this.
And I've listened to the pod with him or parts
of it multiple times, and honestly, every month I go
to see if he's going on any podcast. That's how
sharp and smart this guy is super fascinating. And one
of his I don't know if it was his take
on Rogan or on a different podcast, but he went
into this rant about the only way to run a
(29:24):
business is to run a business. You can take courses
in business, you can work at a business, but until
you are actually running the show and making decisions and
controlling the P and L reports and controlling the social
media and doing everything, you don't know how to run
a business. And it makes obvious sense, right, very clear.
(29:47):
The only way to be a quarterback in the NFL
is to actually go on the field. I don't know
if Patrick Mahomes learned.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I don't know what he learned.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
There are reports that in the year not that he
became the starter, but the year before, when Alex Smith
was still the guy. I think it was Peter Schrager.
I don't remember exactly who, but it was essentially, oh
my gosh, this guy Mahomes is special the things he's
doing in practice, but they had the veteran Alex Smith, right,
(30:19):
So what was Mahomes ready? Could he have cooked that year?
Will never know. Nobody will know the answer to that.
I don't care what you say, you don't know. I
don't know. I mean, Andy Reid doesn't know. The only
way Mendoza's gonna We're gonna find out if he's good
as if he plays, and this idea, well, we'll start
him after Thanksgiving or after hollow why. I mean, if
(30:40):
he's injured, obviously, don't play him. If he stinks up
the joint in the preseason, like he's awful, like maybe
it looks like, oh my gosh, this guy cannot play
then don't play it. But there's zero evidence that's gonna happen,
given his background and everything. And I don't know, Robert.
I just think it would be a disservice to be like, Oh,
we're gonna sit Mendoza in year what? No way? I mean,
(31:03):
even Jackson Dart Like, it's very clear he should have
started from day one. Last year, right, cam Ward started
from day one. They weren't great. But if he sat
so Will Levis or whoever could have been the start,
is that gonna.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Help cam Ward.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
He's got that crappy year out of his system. He's
ready to hit the ground running in year two. I
don't know, Rob, this is your team, so I'm very
curious where you fall. But I'm pro if you draft
him first top ten. I don't know what the line
of demarcation is, Like Lamar did not start. They had
Joe Flacco and then I don't remember Flaka. I think
(31:38):
Flacco was injured and that's why Lamart went in, okay,
and then Lamar went in and he never came out
and they made the playoffs and then lost it. I
think it was the Chargers. But where do you fall,
Rob on this Mendoza. I don't know if it's versus
Kirk Cousins, but the Mendoza situation, Yeah, I don't know
if I'm.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Settling any beef with you and Colin, But I don't
think there is a hard and fast rule when it
comes to quarterbacks. Like you mentioned Holmes, you mentioned Aaron Rodgers, Hey,
well they sat and they ended up being pretty good. Well,
you mentioned Peyton Manning. He sucked start off with it.
He ended up being pretty good, right Like Joe Burrow
ended up being pretty good. Jane Daniel's rookie season was
pretty good. Like, it is entirely possible that you can
go in as a rookie week one and take your
(32:16):
lumps and be good relatively quickly. It's entirely possible. It's
also possible you get thrown to the wolves like Zach Wilson,
and you suck and you never recover. Right, it is
what it is. I will say to your point, you're
never gonna know how good a guy can be until
he's out there. With that said, the problem is you
(32:38):
can know whether or not a guy is ready like that,
that's a different thing. Whether he's good is a different conversation.
Is he ready to be out there with the grown
man with the live bullets is a different thing. Two
guys that we saw got thrown out there early. I
don't think has anything to do with their talent, more
to do they were just not ready. Athony Richardson was
not ready, point blank per He needed more reps. He
(33:02):
needed more. That was the problem with him, is he
needed as many reps as possible. The problem is the
team around him was good enough where they could not
afford to let him learn on the job. JJ McCarthy
the same thing. He did not get enough real reps
at Michigan where he had to throw the football, where
he had to be responsible and making things happen, and
(33:22):
he got put in a situation where the team was
good enough around him that he had to be ready
sooner than what he was. As soon as Fernando Mendoza
is quote unquote ready, he should start. If that means
he's ready and he can be competent and he can,
you know, not get himself hurt or killed or get
his teammates killed by throwing hospital balls. He should be
(33:44):
out there because you're building something long term. If you
see him in training camp or in preseason and he
is a deer in the headlights and he looks shooketh
beyond recognition. Then I have no problem with you letting Kirk,
Cousins or whoever take the lumps be the guy who's
like the guiding force. Teach this guy how to practice,
teach him how to watch film so that when he
(34:04):
does get his chance, he's able to put his best
foot forward. Yeah, so that's what I think it comes
down to me.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, I mean I can't imagine a scenario where a
guy who updates his LinkedIn page is going to be
a deer in the headlights. But anything can happen. It's
interesting you mentioned Zach Wilson, but if we had SAT,
if the Jets had sat Zach Wilson, would uh would
he have been successful? I can almost unequivocally tell you no.
You know, he's a guy who didn't play a lot
(34:32):
in college. I think he had one year. There was
some injuries. You're right, no hard and fast rule, But
like I mean, it's Mendoza, guys, it's a guy, he's
the future. I think you got to start him. It's
like arch Manning, right, sat for what two three years,
came out and he was almost deer in the headlights
(34:53):
at Texas. Yeah, I mean he's going in the next
season as the guy and number one heisten guy and.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Everything future Jet arch Manning.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Potentially, we'll see. They got to get the number one pick.
All right, that's a long Friday podcast. Everybody have a
great weekend. And you know Rob's got his own new
podcast out there. You got to check that out Restricted Area,
Rob g in the Place to Be. I know you
guys like the takes. And I saw somebody Rob's shout
you or me out on social about how you mentioned
(35:27):
me before. Rob. I'm sure Rob Parker did not take that. Well.
He has banned me from the Odd Couple because I
pulled down his pants so badly in so many arguments.
I know that's your guy, Sorry, but yeah, it just
it's a bloodbath every time we try to go ahead
to head. Are you watching the Lakers right now? Rob?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
It's of course I am.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Of course it is about to get a fifty piece.
They might just pull him.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
You got to talk about unethical basketball. Watch the Lakers
play defense.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Well, they're playing the bulls. I mean, I don't I'm
Leonard Miller. Who is that?
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Whoever? They are there. They're giving us the business. About
to finish with one hundred and twenty plus points from Chicago.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Lakers are saving it for Saturday, another big one against
the Nuggets. Nuggets, by the way, on Thursday night, took
down the Spurs.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Did Wemby less Spurs, Wemby didn't play.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I was shocked on salad scroll. I was like, oh no,
no Wemby. Jokic thirty one, twenty and twelve, Jamal Murray
thirty nine. I did like this though, Castle thirty eleven
and ten. So no Wembin Yama. Who else is gonna
eat my guy? Steph Castle. I'm just he's twenty one.
Oh my god's so scary. All right, all right, we're out.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
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