November 1, 2023 • 25 mins
Recapping and ranking our favorite athlete Halloween costumes, Rich's MLB World Series bet and his NBA 4pt Teaser courtesy of Draft Kings, C&R make the final decision on the age to start keeping score for kids
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
All right, another week. It's November. It's time for Over Promised.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What your buds covin on rich November to remember it's
the first of the month. Welcome to the show, Kavino
and Rich Over Promised, like you said, brought to you
by DraftKings Sports Book. Hey, or everybody had a happy
and save Halloween. Believe that's over already, November. Don't forget
to pay your bills. Pay your bills.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
All right. Well, hey, we're gonna get to a lot today.
I got you. Listen.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Baseball last minute pick is tonight, Game five of the
World Series and an NBA pick courtesy of DraftKings.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
We'll get to that.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Plus, when it comes to kids' sports, think back to
your little league days. When do you start caring about
keeping score, winning, losing, all that type of stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm sorry, I'm still thinking I had twenty seven Litle
league home runs, so you're super stuff four to twenty five?
Can continue still thinking? Ah, the glory days. Yeah, we're
gonna get into that. But Halloween was yesterday. Trick or
treat small my feet had a great time. Kids had fun.
It's nice seeing the kids out living their life. There
we are at Fox sports doing our thing. I was
(01:11):
a ghostbuster, a Vato ghostbuster. Rich was super rich, Davis.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Super Mario, lazy super Mario.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I finally got to shave the mustache. I feel naked today,
but lazy.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Why because he had sweatpants on, shut pants on.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
And yeah, but it was fun. It was fun.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Halloween is fun, that's the point, right, So it was
nice to see some of our sports heroes getting dressed up.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
There were some great costumes in the world of sports. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
You know my theory though on Halloween. I said it
yesterday on Fox Sports Radio. If you reject Halloween as
a grown man, yeah, it's guess you never got booty
in your life because you go through a stage of
your twenties, thirties, of your single that's the day. It's
like the most scandalous, let's be honest, like promiscuous day
of the year, where everyone's open for anything.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
You're getting some action, inhibitions are down, you're having fun
on You're right. If you don't like it, there's some
resentment there. So maybe he didn't have a good experience
with Halloween. It kind of goes back to Little League.
You know, we're talking about it later. If you hated
Little League. I assume you sucked a little, true because
you have some sort of weird resentment as a result.
(02:17):
But again, some really good costumes in the sports world.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Well there's one costume. It wasn't an athlete. This is
some dude. And you know, I played investigator and I
saw the New York City subway behind him. Yeah, there's
a kid that sort of quote. One Halloween in the
sports world, did you see the dude dressed as Randy
Johnson and his girlfriend was a bloody dead bird.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
That is just great. You're the dummy at first show,
Like we'll took close to him. I don't know the bird,
you idiot suck?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Who is this a dufest baseball? Oh Randy Jackson, I
get it. Oh, you know what.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
And he wore the full uniform, so a plus. Like
you said, Rich, a lot of people said that, Hey,
no need for contest.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
They already won. And that's the first time.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It's been years since that happened, the first time I've
ever seen it as a constant.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
You know what, twenty years and a ten Diamondbacks are
back in the World Series.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, wait, relevant again, I like it. I like it.
Another costume we all saw.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Now this has been recycled, but I can't get enough
of Mike Tyson as a bumblebee.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It went viral again for whatever reason. But this is
courtesy of twenty twenty two, I believe. And it was
what on Foulin or Kimmel. It was on Kimmel's spot. Hey,
I'm a bumblebee. He Mike Dieth in Trick or Tree
have You Halloween?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
And he's dancing. But yeah, it went viral, so we're
putting it on the list. I love that.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And how about wem Banyama Wemby as slender Man, which, by.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
The way, was scary because he's so big and slender.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
The pictures they've been showing of him trying to block
shots or you know, a mid range jumper. He's making
guys like Kevin Durant look little. He's a beast and
a slender man. The viral sensation, I mean that picture
is just insane.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Look at that.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
If you saw that, you'd freak out for sure. So
very scary on this Halloween. Great job when Ben Yama again,
great job on just bringing the fun.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
What's his pet? Length of pansy?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Think he wears what you got like a thirty two
to thirty two guys like sixty.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Tas like sixty two wins scene. What the hell's that?
I would imagine.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Uh, there's another one I wanted to point out, and
this was Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, this went viral. Yeah, people are loving this now
if you're a fan of Stranger Things.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
In fact, though, I think we're bigger fans than Millie
Bombie Brown because we're on the streets. Is she's done
with it, She doesn't even want to talk about She
wants to get out of that and move on. But
Vecna a very famous character from Stranger Things and Miles
Garrett doing his thing. I mean, that's elaborate, that's pretty good.
That's how you know you're established. He's not worried about
(04:50):
booty because if you're if you're a regular guy wearing that,
chances are you're not getting any action that night. No
woman's looking at you saying ooh yeah that. But he's
there to scare some people and have some fun. Props
to him there.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Well, Lebron James, he broke out the beetlejuice.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Lebron James went out as beat Oh look at that
there it is. Oh and you said that. I thought
you meant the other Beetlejuice, Oh from the Howard Center
and show. Yeah, not that guy. Me. I'm just hanging around,
not that Beetlejuice, the other Beetlejuice. Yeah, so there it is.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You know what, That's really great And it's nice to
see Lebron having fun. I love his fun antics.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
His doc dude.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I love when Lebron's having fun because so many times
he's got that game face on. So it's nice to
see him having a good time. And that's a great
beetlejuice and it's coming back.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And what I loved was We're sitting in the Fox
Sports radio studio and he got all the sports TVs on.
I'm like, yo, look at that. We all admired. Was
it James Jones? James Jones as rand.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Now wats he let that soul go?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
He brought the soul glow, the sexual chalk and again
brought the fun on. Chack best one with the speak
and Joy Taylor was joker and I thought that was
really cool.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Again bringing the fun into the sports world. Look, sports,
a lot of people take a serious I get it.
Why so serious?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I mean yeah, I mean it is sports it's fun.
So bring the fun. Joy did a great job, hot Choker.
She was looking no four high, no joking there.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Speaking of honorable mentions, and I love the Randy Watson too,
I want to give props to the guy with thirteen nicknames,
a guy we work with on Fox Sports Radio, VJ
Vernon Big Vanilla, Big Vanilla Funny, Big Vanilla, Poppy Husky.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I think it takes half his show to give all
his names.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, I think I got him all too. He went
as Fred Flintstone. But what I found amazing about it
being a Yankees fan myself, I didn't know Fred was
a Yankees fan.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Oh, I didn't know he want Timbalans. Oh you see you.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Were looking ahead I was. I was like, well, I
mean no, I didn't one year more Tims when he
was getting to you know, yeah, you're slates.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
When you're driving the car, your feet get a little,
you know, worn out.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
You gotta put some Tims on.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So props to VJ bring in the fun the Fox
Sports and being the big Vanilla funny that he is.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Oh there's one last honorable mention. It's our friend from
the Doug Gottlieb Show, Jason Stewart went as a grumpy
fifty year old.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Oh there is.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
A grumpy fift year old guy who refuses to participate
on Halloween.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Loving Jay Still, by the way, nailed it. Way to
go man, Jay Still. I'm showing everybody all right, you
know what it's sign for. It's not to get to
our picks.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Now, we do football picks on our Friday over promised,
figured out and mix it up today. I know it's
last minute because the World Series starts within an hour.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
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Speaker 2 (07:49):
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Speaker 3 (07:58):
Now, I know it's Game five tonight, and it looks
like the Rangers could wrap it up. Momentums in their
favorites three to one.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Rangers were clabbering them, but yesterday Gallon's pitching it's in Arizona.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Subconsciously, I just also feel, subconsciously you want to win
at home.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I'm not saying the Rangers don't want to wrap it
up tonight.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I'm not saying that at all, but I sort of
like the Diamondbacks snagging one at home and taking it
back to Texas where the Rangers will probably wrap it
up in six or seven. So tonight, I like the
Diamondbacks money line just to win the game money line
minus won ten.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
It's pretty much even money.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
So Diamondbacks force a game six and a lot of
runs got put up yesterday. A lot of times when
that happens, the next game oddly is low scoring, so
I like under eight and a half runs total for
the game.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I could see this being a four to two game,
five to one, three to two. I like the under
eight and a half runs.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So we're gonna go from eleven to seven yesterday Rangers
to like three two.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Well, doesn't that always happen? Like, Yeah, you're right, I
know it's different.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
But you ever see your team in a doubleheader and
they put up like a twelve spot in the next
game they get blinked. Yeah, it's odd. Day to day
is different. It's all about pitching.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And I love to disagree with this guy, but I
don't know, but I believe him.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I don't know why, but I do the under and
the Diamondbacks to keep it a serious even though it's
the lowest rated series. I think we all want to
see a game six at least, right, take it back
to Texas.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Well, up until.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yesterday it was competitive, right, So yeah, I agree if
we want to continue having a good series, even though
a lot of people haven't been watching it, ratings wise,
up until yesterday was competitive and fun. So it'd be
nice to see the Diamondbacks come back today. Again, I
don't have any horse in the race, and I would
like to see it go back to Texas. Like you said,
I think that's going to happen. I actually agree with Rich.
Now here's the thing. NBA is tricky to bet on
(09:48):
for two reasons. Load management. You never know what's happening.
You don't know like who's going to be playing. And
also it's so early in the season.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
As we've talked about on Fox Sports Radio, we'd sort
of like the NBA to go back to that strike
year where they all started on Christmas Day. But we're here,
so why not throw an NBA teaser in the mix?
In the mix you got a Battle of La tonight. Now,
teasers in the NBA work with four points. You know
in the NFL it's usually six or you know you
(10:16):
could do six more four, So you go Lakers, who
are four and a half point favorites tonight against the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
In LA.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Obviously they play at the same place, so if you
want to go down to Staple Center, I still call
it Staple Center. Lakers just need to win the game.
You take it from Lakers minus four and a half
to just winning the game. It's still up in the
air whether or not Hard and will be there. What's
gonna happen. I'm sure we'll find out. But I like
the Lakers just winning this game.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I think Hard and still teaching that masterclass on how
to get what you want at any time. I hear
he's going to be a consultant now and again making
moves and making them work for you.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
It's amazing, you know what.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
It's almost like, I'm not trying to not to sound chauvinistic,
but it's like that hot girl but you're good at it,
that just gets everything she wants because she has a
good ass.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Right like James Harden. He's got the talent enough, he
really is going to do. He must work out, he
must have a nice ass because whatever the guy wants,
he gets. It's like the hot girl. Oh wow, whatever
Harden once, dude.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
So Harden, guys, I mean, I think it'll be fun
to see him with the Clippers. I think it mixes
it up, makes the NBA a little more fun out
here in Los Angeles. But I do like the Lakers
to win tonight. Plus the Clippers played yesterday, the Lakers
were off, so Clippers coming off of no rest. So
I like the Lakers just to win the game. And
let's go up the coast to the Bay Area. Golden
State is playing Sacramento, two really good teams. Golden State's
(11:42):
favored by seven at home. Take that down to three.
I like Golden State minus three, So let's go Golden
State Warriors minus three, Lakers minus I half a point.
So you just need the Lakers to win in Golden
State minus three. That's a two team, four point NBA team.
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Speaker 1 (13:27):
I hope you had a happy Halloween.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Where Cavino and Rich Fox Sports Radio Monday through Friday,
two pm on the West Side. Of course, we do
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Speaker 3 (13:45):
You know, and I real you are not the gambling man.
No I am, no, but I love watching you. But
what I what I like to do, believe it or not.
I like to see your instincts when I give you
the bets because sometimes, let's be honest, you'll ignore me,
and then other times your eyes light up like oh oh,
and I feel like you lit up when I said
under eight and a half runs. I feel like you
like under eight and a half runs tonight.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
It was a surprise and it made sense to me. Yeah,
because maybe they got it all out yesterday.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Sometimes when two teams put up eleven and seven runs
and next day they come in like keep them amet him,
and then everyone's.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Like oddly flat. So it's true. We'll see tonight.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Uh now listen, Not only do we do a sports
talk radio show every day for Fox Sports Radio, and
over promised here with DraftKings. You know, I don't know
if you know this. I'm the best little league coach
in the valley.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah. Six and under girls softball.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Feel like you were better when you had the mustache though,
you know, I think I'm gonna lose respect to the kids.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I feel like I'm like the real life Ted Lasson
with these LIFs. So I coach my daughter six and
under girls softball team. I know a lot of guys
and a lot of women that watch this. You know,
they got kids in Rex Sports and they're playing little league,
in basketball, pop warn or football, soccer. Kids sports dominate.
You talk to any parents there weekends, They're like, shit,
(15:03):
I got a soccer game that I got, another kid's
little league game that I got, dance camp that I
got this.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
A parent's life never stops with kids sports.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And you know, just from your own experience how much
character it builds and how much confidence you gained from playing.
We always say little league is life because even if
you stunk at little league, you found as a result
what you were good at.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, if you sucked at little league but you were
sort of funny, you'd be like, oh, you know what,
I might not be delivering on the field, but I'm
a good dug out kid.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I'm making everyone laugh.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I'm fun and or you said, well, shit, I suck
at baseball, let me go try music or something exactly.
So there was always a reason why little league was
so important. And I see what the little kids. There
are girls of my team that I.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Know will never play after here yourself, but they're making friends. Oh,
they're learning something about themselves. You know, they're outside playing,
They're getting it. There's a lot of benefits. That's the point.
But at what point is it about learning the fundamentals,
learning the basics, and at what point does it become
about winning.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
It's funny you would say this because I see on
social media when I do mention, oh dude, I'm coaching
my daughter's team, people will say, and I will attribute
this sort of little too boomerish forress.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
You got you. We're in the middle. If you're forty ish.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
You understand the sixty seventy year old guy mentality, but
you also understand the younger generation. And when I hear
people say, yeah, f participation trophies, and you know, not
everyone's a winner and keep scoring and there's winners and losers, y'all. Dude,
I get that. I'm the most competitive dude, whether it
be on the radio. I play softball twice a week
because I'm so competitive. I'm the type of guy that
(16:35):
won't let you. I'll get that. Spot's got my I'm
a freaking champion. Good luck beating that guy in softball.
Oh you mean that's not a participation trophy.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, fear does not exist, and that's such. You mean that.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Trophy where I hit I was about to drop an
f bomb, freaking two bombs over the fence in the
championship game. Yeah, that guy that's diving a shortstop. I
go like, I'm twenty again.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I'm glad you said over the fence because inside the
park don't count.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
So anyway, long story short, people will say, what's too
young to start keeping score? And I think Cavino and
Richer here to give you the answer, because I have
an answer that's fat.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Let me make one point. We have to acknowledge that
everybody develops differently. I remember being nine, specifically, right yeah,
playing little league, and I was really focused on winning
at nine. Now we're gonna break it down. But my
point is I'm there.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I want to win. I'm ready to win.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
And you know, I see my teammate thinks he's a
race car. He's, you know, driving around in the outfield.
I get so my daughter devell up in different ways.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
My daughter's got the competitive gene that dad has because
she'll ask me, like Dad, like, who's winning?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Give me the score? There she is, my.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Baby girl, Emmy, she's wearing your helmet in there, a
big Helmet's.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
That she got the David Wright special. You got Eli
Manny's helmet up.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
So when people say there's got to be winners and
losers and keep score, when I see these five and
six year old little girls that they don't know the
rules really yet, they don't know the fundamentals. They don't
know what a force play is I'm teaching them. They
don't know to speak, where and when to run run fast.
I recently had to think, well, all these girls are
(18:13):
playing for the first time. It never dawned to me.
I had to tell these little kids the whole point
is you run to first base and they try to
beat you there by throwing the ball. Your job is
to get there before the ball. And I'm like, oh shit,
they never realized that unless you tell them that.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Can I tell you the best thing, and it's in
every Little league field in the.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
World, by the way, something as simple also as kids
playing third base the ball rolls five feet to their left.
I'm like, hey, jackie, you can move like some of
them think they have to stand where they are and
they can't move.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
For whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
You could see a kid zipping around, you know, chasing
fireflies or something, zipping around because the ice cream man's here.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Your kid runs faster around the living room.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yes, your kid runs faster chasing their siblings than they
do to first base, no matter what.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
You say, because they're so little. You're like, you gotta
run his fast. Do you know the word hustle? Do
you know you got you got us run?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And then without fail, they always do a little skip
like it's like they're held in the picnic picnic basket.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
The first you say picnic picnic basket, what do you
call it. I think you said ad a third syllable
like you were Yogi bear.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Nick. And then they have to do this little skip
and hop onto the base. It's like no run through
the ball. Here's the ship. I want to make clear.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Competitive guy, yes Coveno, I mean ee rolling little league
home run champion, right, they very competitive.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I think that what point is it about winning?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I think I'm gonna mark it down and the answer
is eight eight years old is when you start telling kids, hey, winners, losers,
we're keeping score. This is it because I see some
of these five and six year olds. They don't Someone
said keep scoring? Like keep score of what spot I
provided you. It's a the Zi Bruder film. This is
(19:58):
this is some b roll of my daughter's left litle
league game. Here's me pitching. I have to every kid,
I have to adjust their stance. Hey, get the bat back.
Look at this swing?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Do you think that we should keep score? And that's
a pretty.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Good She's an adorable little I'm like, look, look what
you got to keep score of at this stage of
the game.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
How old are they? Again? Five?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Okay, at this stage you're keeping score of their progress.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
They're learning the fundamentals, the absolute basics of the game.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
And then there they got the t I gotta go
up and and look now the balls hit.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
But you know what it is rich based on years
of study. Okay, oh look, oh no she didn't hop
on first base, but she didn't run through it either.
A lot of times based on our studies and assessments.
Here the people that have the strong stance on participation
trophies and they got.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
To win at an early agents.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
And that are people without kids that aren't witnessing how.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Little they know about the game.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
And I get it because the competitive side of me
before I had kids, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Was like, yeah, that's bullshit, like keep scoring, winning, losing.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
But then once you have little kids, and you're like,
like basketball, friends, and I showed you softball.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Let's say it's basketball.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
If you got five and six year olds playing their
first year of basketball, what do you call them traveling?
Every time the kid dribbles the ball with two hands
or picks it up, I think eight is in perfect age.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
That's the win. That's the win.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Oh you made a basket today, Oh you made a
great pass, that's the win.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
If we get three putouts a game, a game. I'm
happy if we make three outs. If a girl fields
the ball and throws it on like two bounces to
first and the girl steps on the base, victory.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Now, is this Covino and rich Kintin saw absolutely not.
What we're saying is there's a point and a specific
point in one's age again painting and broad strokes, because
everybody develops differently where it does become about winning, and
winning does matter. And we're saying it's eight years old.
When he and I agree, is fact, And if you disagree,
(21:59):
it's because you haven't or you're not living it currently,
because when you see how little they know, it doesn't
really matter until about eight. Okay, now the one caveat
the one rub, I'll give one free pass. And that's
football soccer, because it's simple to be like, all right, kids,
you guys, try to kick the ball that way, you
try to kick it in that goal.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
And if they're like, hey, we kept score. The blue
team got four goals.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That's the only sport in which I think a score
could even be kept, I'm sticking with the answer of eight.
I think this is a nice solid number. I like
the number eight. I think it works well here Steve Young,
Gary Carter, if you want to dive deeper into the discussion,
I think a lot of times anyone that's going to
debate this, it's just a matter of not being there,
not being there, Like, unless you know, you really don't know.
(22:46):
Unless you're living it, you just really can't imagine it.
You really don't care as much, you're not as invested.
And there's so many examples of this. You know, when
someone's going through a breakup and they're giving you crappy advice,
it's because they never did or didn't know.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Dude. If you never if you've never been through a divorce,
you really can't understand what a guy goes through when
he has to move out of his house and his
ex wife gets to stay there with your kids.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Right, Or as a guy that's been through that, when
people try to tell me how to co parent but
they've never done it before, it he've never lived in,
I'm like, oh, it's very tricky, very sticky, and difficult.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Honestly, when when maybe you lose a jo if you've
never lost a job, you can't really talk to someone
that got fired and be like, oh, you do hanging.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Their addictions, illnesses, how many illnesses did you not care
about until it pertained to you.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, now you're doing a walk or march about it, right.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And the point we're trying to make here is, you know,
it's easy to say participation trophies are lame and they're
for weenies and things like that. And winning matters when
you're five or six is probably because you're not seeing
it firsthand. And when you see a five or six
year old playing sports, they don't know what's going on.
Just still picking their nose. I mean, we're still picking
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our noyes. But I mean Jack didn't do how to
wait their booties, and you're gonna tell him that winning matters.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Oh, you don't know what you're asked, but we'll keep scoring.
So they go solved.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
ET's the answer, the end, and uh, we'll see you
guys back your next time spot. You have any thoughts,
you have a oh you're picking your nose or oh sorry, okay,
make sure.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
I think I think you made a very valid point.
I think, especially as a parent and seeing it that
you know, the wherewithal starting to create.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
They they've been in the league.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
For a couple of years, right, they're starting to play
they're starting to feel it. I remember I was a
soccer star of nineteen eighty five when I was like
five years old. I don't remember keeping score at all.
I don't remember winning any trophies. I don't remember anything.
I just have a cute photo of me in a
uniform with what the soccer Yeah, that on standby.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I'm gonna pull it up for you, right, no, right,
a soccer star spot before there was Ronaldo and Messi
and Beckham. And I don't know if people realize that
Spot's trajectory before he rolled an ankle in eighty seven.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yes, it could have been. It could have been.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I know, it's a terrible, terrible story. Maybe for another day,
could have been, but been like a Ronaldo. Yeah, But honestly,
they go, Hey, have fun coaching all your kids' sports
and enjoy. We'll see you guys back here on Friday's. Fuck,
we leave with a photo of you, like, no, I
can't soccer boys. I think I blocked the memory out
of before you.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Oh god, well, winning matters everybody. And there's a winner
right there, there's a winner and that was right, Memories
of eighty seven. All right, We'll see you guys next time.
Until then, I'll rave it there at you baby, see
you in the over Promised Land.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Goodbye,
All right, another week. It's November. It's time for Over Promised.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What your buds covin on rich November to remember it's
the first of the month. Welcome to the show, Kavino
and Rich Over Promised, like you said, brought to you
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and save Halloween. Believe that's over already, November. Don't forget
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
All right. Well, hey, we're gonna get to a lot today.
I got you. Listen.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Baseball last minute pick is tonight, Game five of the
World Series and an NBA pick courtesy of DraftKings.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
We'll get to that.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Plus, when it comes to kids' sports, think back to
your little league days. When do you start caring about
keeping score, winning, losing, all that type of stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm sorry, I'm still thinking I had twenty seven Litle
league home runs, so you're super stuff four to twenty five?
Can continue still thinking? Ah, the glory days. Yeah, we're
gonna get into that. But Halloween was yesterday. Trick or
treat small my feet had a great time. Kids had fun.
It's nice seeing the kids out living their life. There
we are at Fox sports doing our thing. I was
(01:11):
a ghostbuster, a Vato ghostbuster. Rich was super rich, Davis.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Super Mario, lazy super Mario.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I finally got to shave the mustache. I feel naked today,
but lazy.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Why because he had sweatpants on, shut pants on.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
And yeah, but it was fun. It was fun.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Halloween is fun, that's the point, right, So it was
nice to see some of our sports heroes getting dressed up.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
There were some great costumes in the world of sports. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
You know my theory though on Halloween. I said it
yesterday on Fox Sports Radio. If you reject Halloween as
a grown man, yeah, it's guess you never got booty
in your life because you go through a stage of
your twenties, thirties, of your single that's the day. It's
like the most scandalous, let's be honest, like promiscuous day
of the year, where everyone's open for anything.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
You're getting some action, inhibitions are down, you're having fun
on You're right. If you don't like it, there's some
resentment there. So maybe he didn't have a good experience
with Halloween. It kind of goes back to Little League.
You know, we're talking about it later. If you hated
Little League. I assume you sucked a little, true because
you have some sort of weird resentment as a result.
(02:17):
But again, some really good costumes in the sports world.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Well there's one costume. It wasn't an athlete. This is
some dude. And you know, I played investigator and I
saw the New York City subway behind him. Yeah, there's
a kid that sort of quote. One Halloween in the
sports world, did you see the dude dressed as Randy
Johnson and his girlfriend was a bloody dead bird.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
That is just great. You're the dummy at first show,
Like we'll took close to him. I don't know the bird,
you idiot suck?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Who is this a dufest baseball? Oh Randy Jackson, I
get it. Oh, you know what.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
And he wore the full uniform, so a plus. Like
you said, Rich, a lot of people said that, Hey,
no need for contest.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
They already won. And that's the first time.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It's been years since that happened, the first time I've
ever seen it as a constant.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
You know what, twenty years and a ten Diamondbacks are
back in the World Series.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, wait, relevant again, I like it. I like it.
Another costume we all saw.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Now this has been recycled, but I can't get enough
of Mike Tyson as a bumblebee.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It went viral again for whatever reason. But this is
courtesy of twenty twenty two, I believe. And it was
what on Foulin or Kimmel. It was on Kimmel's spot. Hey,
I'm a bumblebee. He Mike Dieth in Trick or Tree
have You Halloween?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
And he's dancing. But yeah, it went viral, so we're
putting it on the list. I love that.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And how about wem Banyama Wemby as slender Man, which, by.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
The way, was scary because he's so big and slender.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
The pictures they've been showing of him trying to block
shots or you know, a mid range jumper. He's making
guys like Kevin Durant look little. He's a beast and
a slender man. The viral sensation, I mean that picture
is just insane.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Look at that.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
If you saw that, you'd freak out for sure. So
very scary on this Halloween. Great job when Ben Yama again,
great job on just bringing the fun.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
What's his pet? Length of pansy?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Think he wears what you got like a thirty two
to thirty two guys like sixty.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Tas like sixty two wins scene. What the hell's that?
I would imagine.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Uh, there's another one I wanted to point out, and
this was Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, this went viral. Yeah, people are loving this now
if you're a fan of Stranger Things.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
In fact, though, I think we're bigger fans than Millie
Bombie Brown because we're on the streets. Is she's done
with it, She doesn't even want to talk about She
wants to get out of that and move on. But
Vecna a very famous character from Stranger Things and Miles
Garrett doing his thing. I mean, that's elaborate, that's pretty good.
That's how you know you're established. He's not worried about
(04:50):
booty because if you're if you're a regular guy wearing that,
chances are you're not getting any action that night. No
woman's looking at you saying ooh yeah that. But he's
there to scare some people and have some fun. Props
to him there.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Well, Lebron James, he broke out the beetlejuice.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Lebron James went out as beat Oh look at that
there it is. Oh and you said that. I thought
you meant the other Beetlejuice, Oh from the Howard Center
and show. Yeah, not that guy. Me. I'm just hanging around,
not that Beetlejuice, the other Beetlejuice. Yeah, so there it is.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You know what, That's really great And it's nice to
see Lebron having fun. I love his fun antics.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
His doc dude.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I love when Lebron's having fun because so many times
he's got that game face on. So it's nice to
see him having a good time. And that's a great
beetlejuice and it's coming back.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And what I loved was We're sitting in the Fox
Sports radio studio and he got all the sports TVs on.
I'm like, yo, look at that. We all admired. Was
it James Jones? James Jones as rand.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Now wats he let that soul go?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
He brought the soul glow, the sexual chalk and again
brought the fun on. Chack best one with the speak
and Joy Taylor was joker and I thought that was
really cool.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Again bringing the fun into the sports world. Look, sports,
a lot of people take a serious I get it.
Why so serious?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I mean yeah, I mean it is sports it's fun.
So bring the fun. Joy did a great job, hot Choker.
She was looking no four high, no joking there.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Speaking of honorable mentions, and I love the Randy Watson too,
I want to give props to the guy with thirteen nicknames,
a guy we work with on Fox Sports Radio, VJ
Vernon Big Vanilla, Big Vanilla Funny, Big Vanilla, Poppy Husky.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I think it takes half his show to give all
his names.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, I think I got him all too. He went
as Fred Flintstone. But what I found amazing about it
being a Yankees fan myself, I didn't know Fred was
a Yankees fan.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Oh, I didn't know he want Timbalans. Oh you see you.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Were looking ahead I was. I was like, well, I
mean no, I didn't one year more Tims when he
was getting to you know, yeah, you're slates.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
When you're driving the car, your feet get a little,
you know, worn out.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
You gotta put some Tims on.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So props to VJ bring in the fun the Fox
Sports and being the big Vanilla funny that he is.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Oh there's one last honorable mention. It's our friend from
the Doug Gottlieb Show, Jason Stewart went as a grumpy
fifty year old.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Oh there is.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
A grumpy fift year old guy who refuses to participate
on Halloween.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Loving Jay Still, by the way, nailed it. Way to
go man, Jay Still. I'm showing everybody all right, you
know what it's sign for. It's not to get to
our picks.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Now, we do football picks on our Friday over promised,
figured out and mix it up today. I know it's
last minute because the World Series starts within an hour.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
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Speaker 3 (07:58):
Now, I know it's Game five tonight, and it looks
like the Rangers could wrap it up. Momentums in their
favorites three to one.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Rangers were clabbering them, but yesterday Gallon's pitching it's in Arizona.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Subconsciously, I just also feel, subconsciously you want to win
at home.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I'm not saying the Rangers don't want to wrap it
up tonight.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I'm not saying that at all, but I sort of
like the Diamondbacks snagging one at home and taking it
back to Texas where the Rangers will probably wrap it
up in six or seven. So tonight, I like the
Diamondbacks money line just to win the game money line
minus won ten.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
It's pretty much even money.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
So Diamondbacks force a game six and a lot of
runs got put up yesterday. A lot of times when
that happens, the next game oddly is low scoring, so
I like under eight and a half runs total for
the game.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I could see this being a four to two game,
five to one, three to two. I like the under
eight and a half runs.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So we're gonna go from eleven to seven yesterday Rangers
to like three two.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Well, doesn't that always happen? Like, Yeah, you're right, I
know it's different.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
But you ever see your team in a doubleheader and
they put up like a twelve spot in the next
game they get blinked. Yeah, it's odd. Day to day
is different. It's all about pitching.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And I love to disagree with this guy, but I
don't know, but I believe him.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I don't know why, but I do the under and
the Diamondbacks to keep it a serious even though it's
the lowest rated series. I think we all want to
see a game six at least, right, take it back
to Texas.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Well, up until.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yesterday it was competitive, right, So yeah, I agree if
we want to continue having a good series, even though
a lot of people haven't been watching it, ratings wise,
up until yesterday was competitive and fun. So it'd be
nice to see the Diamondbacks come back today. Again, I
don't have any horse in the race, and I would
like to see it go back to Texas. Like you said,
I think that's going to happen. I actually agree with Rich.
Now here's the thing. NBA is tricky to bet on
(09:48):
for two reasons. Load management. You never know what's happening.
You don't know like who's going to be playing. And
also it's so early in the season.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
As we've talked about on Fox Sports Radio, we'd sort
of like the NBA to go back to that strike
year where they all started on Christmas Day. But we're here,
so why not throw an NBA teaser in the mix?
In the mix you got a Battle of La tonight. Now,
teasers in the NBA work with four points. You know
in the NFL it's usually six or you know you
(10:16):
could do six more four, So you go Lakers, who
are four and a half point favorites tonight against the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
In LA.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Obviously they play at the same place, so if you
want to go down to Staple Center, I still call
it Staple Center. Lakers just need to win the game.
You take it from Lakers minus four and a half
to just winning the game. It's still up in the
air whether or not Hard and will be there. What's
gonna happen. I'm sure we'll find out. But I like
the Lakers just winning this game.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I think Hard and still teaching that masterclass on how
to get what you want at any time. I hear
he's going to be a consultant now and again making
moves and making them work for you.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
It's amazing, you know what.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
It's almost like, I'm not trying to not to sound chauvinistic,
but it's like that hot girl but you're good at it,
that just gets everything she wants because she has a
good ass.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Right like James Harden. He's got the talent enough, he
really is going to do. He must work out, he
must have a nice ass because whatever the guy wants,
he gets. It's like the hot girl. Oh wow, whatever
Harden once, dude.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
So Harden, guys, I mean, I think it'll be fun
to see him with the Clippers. I think it mixes
it up, makes the NBA a little more fun out
here in Los Angeles. But I do like the Lakers
to win tonight. Plus the Clippers played yesterday, the Lakers
were off, so Clippers coming off of no rest. So
I like the Lakers just to win the game. And
let's go up the coast to the Bay Area. Golden
State is playing Sacramento, two really good teams. Golden State's
(11:42):
favored by seven at home. Take that down to three.
I like Golden State minus three, So let's go Golden
State Warriors minus three, Lakers minus I half a point.
So you just need the Lakers to win in Golden
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Speaker 1 (13:27):
I hope you had a happy Halloween.
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Where Cavino and Rich Fox Sports Radio Monday through Friday,
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Speaker 3 (13:45):
You know, and I real you are not the gambling man.
No I am, no, but I love watching you. But
what I what I like to do, believe it or not.
I like to see your instincts when I give you
the bets because sometimes, let's be honest, you'll ignore me,
and then other times your eyes light up like oh oh,
and I feel like you lit up when I said
under eight and a half runs. I feel like you
like under eight and a half runs tonight.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
It was a surprise and it made sense to me. Yeah,
because maybe they got it all out yesterday.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Sometimes when two teams put up eleven and seven runs
and next day they come in like keep them amet him,
and then everyone's.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Like oddly flat. So it's true. We'll see tonight.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Uh now listen, Not only do we do a sports
talk radio show every day for Fox Sports Radio, and
over promised here with DraftKings. You know, I don't know
if you know this. I'm the best little league coach
in the valley.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah. Six and under girls softball.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Feel like you were better when you had the mustache though,
you know, I think I'm gonna lose respect to the kids.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I feel like I'm like the real life Ted Lasson
with these LIFs. So I coach my daughter six and
under girls softball team. I know a lot of guys
and a lot of women that watch this. You know,
they got kids in Rex Sports and they're playing little league,
in basketball, pop warn or football, soccer. Kids sports dominate.
You talk to any parents there weekends, They're like, shit,
(15:03):
I got a soccer game that I got, another kid's
little league game that I got, dance camp that I
got this.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
A parent's life never stops with kids sports.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And you know, just from your own experience how much
character it builds and how much confidence you gained from playing.
We always say little league is life because even if
you stunk at little league, you found as a result
what you were good at.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, if you sucked at little league but you were
sort of funny, you'd be like, oh, you know what,
I might not be delivering on the field, but I'm
a good dug out kid.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I'm making everyone laugh.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I'm fun and or you said, well, shit, I suck
at baseball, let me go try music or something exactly.
So there was always a reason why little league was
so important. And I see what the little kids. There
are girls of my team that I.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Know will never play after here yourself, but they're making friends. Oh,
they're learning something about themselves. You know, they're outside playing,
They're getting it. There's a lot of benefits. That's the point.
But at what point is it about learning the fundamentals,
learning the basics, and at what point does it become
about winning.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
It's funny you would say this because I see on
social media when I do mention, oh dude, I'm coaching
my daughter's team, people will say, and I will attribute
this sort of little too boomerish forress.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
You got you. We're in the middle. If you're forty ish.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
You understand the sixty seventy year old guy mentality, but
you also understand the younger generation. And when I hear
people say, yeah, f participation trophies, and you know, not
everyone's a winner and keep scoring and there's winners and losers, y'all. Dude,
I get that. I'm the most competitive dude, whether it
be on the radio. I play softball twice a week
because I'm so competitive. I'm the type of guy that
(16:35):
won't let you. I'll get that. Spot's got my I'm
a freaking champion. Good luck beating that guy in softball.
Oh you mean that's not a participation trophy.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, fear does not exist, and that's such. You mean that.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Trophy where I hit I was about to drop an
f bomb, freaking two bombs over the fence in the
championship game. Yeah, that guy that's diving a shortstop. I
go like, I'm twenty again.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I'm glad you said over the fence because inside the
park don't count.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
So anyway, long story short, people will say, what's too
young to start keeping score? And I think Cavino and
Richer here to give you the answer, because I have
an answer that's fat.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Let me make one point. We have to acknowledge that
everybody develops differently. I remember being nine, specifically, right yeah,
playing little league, and I was really focused on winning
at nine. Now we're gonna break it down. But my
point is I'm there.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I want to win. I'm ready to win.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
And you know, I see my teammate thinks he's a
race car. He's, you know, driving around in the outfield.
I get so my daughter devell up in different ways.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
My daughter's got the competitive gene that dad has because
she'll ask me, like Dad, like, who's winning?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Give me the score? There she is, my.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Baby girl, Emmy, she's wearing your helmet in there, a
big Helmet's.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
That she got the David Wright special. You got Eli
Manny's helmet up.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
So when people say there's got to be winners and
losers and keep score, when I see these five and
six year old little girls that they don't know the
rules really yet, they don't know the fundamentals. They don't
know what a force play is I'm teaching them. They
don't know to speak, where and when to run run fast.
I recently had to think, well, all these girls are
(18:13):
playing for the first time. It never dawned to me.
I had to tell these little kids the whole point
is you run to first base and they try to
beat you there by throwing the ball. Your job is
to get there before the ball. And I'm like, oh shit,
they never realized that unless you tell them that.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Can I tell you the best thing, and it's in
every Little league field in the.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
World, by the way, something as simple also as kids
playing third base the ball rolls five feet to their left.
I'm like, hey, jackie, you can move like some of
them think they have to stand where they are and
they can't move.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
For whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
You could see a kid zipping around, you know, chasing
fireflies or something, zipping around because the ice cream man's here.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Your kid runs faster around the living room.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yes, your kid runs faster chasing their siblings than they
do to first base, no matter what.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
You say, because they're so little. You're like, you gotta
run his fast. Do you know the word hustle? Do
you know you got you got us run?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
And then without fail, they always do a little skip
like it's like they're held in the picnic picnic basket.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
The first you say picnic picnic basket, what do you
call it. I think you said ad a third syllable
like you were Yogi bear.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Nick. And then they have to do this little skip
and hop onto the base. It's like no run through
the ball. Here's the ship. I want to make clear.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Competitive guy, yes Coveno, I mean ee rolling little league
home run champion, right, they very competitive.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I think that what point is it about winning?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I think I'm gonna mark it down and the answer
is eight eight years old is when you start telling kids, hey, winners, losers,
we're keeping score. This is it because I see some
of these five and six year olds. They don't Someone
said keep scoring? Like keep score of what spot I
provided you. It's a the Zi Bruder film. This is
(19:58):
this is some b roll of my daughter's left litle
league game. Here's me pitching. I have to every kid,
I have to adjust their stance. Hey, get the bat back.
Look at this swing?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Do you think that we should keep score? And that's
a pretty.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Good She's an adorable little I'm like, look, look what
you got to keep score of at this stage of
the game.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
How old are they? Again? Five?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Okay, at this stage you're keeping score of their progress.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
They're learning the fundamentals, the absolute basics of the game.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
And then there they got the t I gotta go
up and and look now the balls hit.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
But you know what it is rich based on years
of study. Okay, oh look, oh no she didn't hop
on first base, but she didn't run through it either.
A lot of times based on our studies and assessments.
Here the people that have the strong stance on participation
trophies and they got.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
To win at an early agents.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
And that are people without kids that aren't witnessing how.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Little they know about the game.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
And I get it because the competitive side of me
before I had kids, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Was like, yeah, that's bullshit, like keep scoring, winning, losing.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
But then once you have little kids, and you're like,
like basketball, friends, and I showed you softball.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Let's say it's basketball.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
If you got five and six year olds playing their
first year of basketball, what do you call them traveling?
Every time the kid dribbles the ball with two hands
or picks it up, I think eight is in perfect age.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
That's the win. That's the win.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Oh you made a basket today, Oh you made a
great pass, that's the win.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
If we get three putouts a game, a game. I'm
happy if we make three outs. If a girl fields
the ball and throws it on like two bounces to
first and the girl steps on the base, victory.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Now, is this Covino and rich Kintin saw absolutely not.
What we're saying is there's a point and a specific
point in one's age again painting and broad strokes, because
everybody develops differently where it does become about winning, and
winning does matter. And we're saying it's eight years old.
When he and I agree, is fact, And if you disagree,
(21:59):
it's because you haven't or you're not living it currently,
because when you see how little they know, it doesn't
really matter until about eight. Okay, now the one caveat
the one rub, I'll give one free pass. And that's
football soccer, because it's simple to be like, all right, kids,
you guys, try to kick the ball that way, you
try to kick it in that goal.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
And if they're like, hey, we kept score. The blue
team got four goals.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That's the only sport in which I think a score
could even be kept, I'm sticking with the answer of eight.
I think this is a nice solid number. I like
the number eight. I think it works well here Steve Young,
Gary Carter, if you want to dive deeper into the discussion,
I think a lot of times anyone that's going to
debate this, it's just a matter of not being there,
not being there, Like, unless you know, you really don't know.
(22:46):
Unless you're living it, you just really can't imagine it.
You really don't care as much, you're not as invested.
And there's so many examples of this. You know, when
someone's going through a breakup and they're giving you crappy advice,
it's because they never did or didn't know.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Dude. If you never if you've never been through a divorce,
you really can't understand what a guy goes through when
he has to move out of his house and his
ex wife gets to stay there with your kids.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Right, Or as a guy that's been through that, when
people try to tell me how to co parent but
they've never done it before, it he've never lived in,
I'm like, oh, it's very tricky, very sticky, and difficult.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Honestly, when when maybe you lose a jo if you've
never lost a job, you can't really talk to someone
that got fired and be like, oh, you do hanging.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Their addictions, illnesses, how many illnesses did you not care
about until it pertained to you.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, now you're doing a walk or march about it, right.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And the point we're trying to make here is, you know,
it's easy to say participation trophies are lame and they're
for weenies and things like that. And winning matters when
you're five or six is probably because you're not seeing
it firsthand. And when you see a five or six
year old playing sports, they don't know what's going on.
Just still picking their nose. I mean, we're still picking
(23:56):
our noyes. But I mean Jack didn't do how to
wait their booties, and you're gonna tell him that winning matters.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Oh, you don't know what you're asked, but we'll keep scoring.
So they go solved.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
ET's the answer, the end, and uh, we'll see you
guys back your next time spot. You have any thoughts,
you have a oh you're picking your nose or oh sorry, okay,
make sure.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
I think I think you made a very valid point.
I think, especially as a parent and seeing it that
you know, the wherewithal starting to create.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
They they've been in the league.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
For a couple of years, right, they're starting to play
they're starting to feel it. I remember I was a
soccer star of nineteen eighty five when I was like
five years old. I don't remember keeping score at all.
I don't remember winning any trophies. I don't remember anything.
I just have a cute photo of me in a
uniform with what the soccer Yeah, that on standby.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I'm gonna pull it up for you, right, no, right,
a soccer star spot before there was Ronaldo and Messi
and Beckham. And I don't know if people realize that
Spot's trajectory before he rolled an ankle in eighty seven.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yes, it could have been. It could have been.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I know, it's a terrible, terrible story. Maybe for another day,
could have been, but been like a Ronaldo. Yeah, But honestly,
they go, Hey, have fun coaching all your kids' sports
and enjoy. We'll see you guys back here on Friday's. Fuck,
we leave with a photo of you, like, no, I
can't soccer boys. I think I blocked the memory out
of before you.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Oh god, well, winning matters everybody. And there's a winner
right there, there's a winner and that was right, Memories
of eighty seven. All right, We'll see you guys next time.
Until then, I'll rave it there at you baby, see
you in the over Promised Land.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Goodbye,
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