The Fellas with Anthony Gargano & Jason Fitz Talk College Football Media Days, Paul Skenes Hype & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:41):
Good morning, FITZI, good morning brother.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
How are we doing to how are we feeling on
brighton early on this Saturn in morning?

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Well, I'm good and you know why.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
It's we say it every week, but it's a countdown, man,
and we're supposed to say it every week. And truly,
you know, we're now past the fourth. We're now approaching
double digits. We got July thirteenth today. We are just
that much closer to football. And you know, it was

(01:15):
funny as we've reached the All Star breaking baseball and uh,
there's good like good stories in baseball. The sport is
is in an uptick. There's some fun stuff, obviously, schemes
being the top thing. We'll be watching him play like
you watch him pitch and I'm curious it's a guy

(01:36):
that doesn't you know, love love baseball, like you like it,
but you're not in love with it, like more like
k Fig and I, how do you like? Are you
captivated by the Paul Skien story?

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Yeah, it's it's fine. It's as captivating as anything can get. Yeah,
I mean it's interesting that I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
I don't one to ten? Why it's a math?

Speaker 4 (02:00):
You liked the four four? What's a fourth? What should
it be for me?

Speaker 3 (02:05):
And at seven?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Like, in all honesty, it's seven, Like it's it's a
big deal. Now, I will say this, And it's funny
because we always do our promos here at Fox Sports
Radio and they're always great because it's it's about our
takes from all the great people here on the on
the line, in the lineup, and uh, Dan Patrick, you

(02:28):
know who's the best.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
He's like, well, I get it's baseball. Today.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Were talking about how scheme's got taken out after seven innings,
right ninety nine pitches, and like, I got to tell you,
I think it's ridiculous, Like I think you you the
no hitter and breathing life into the story into a franchise,
that's woebegone.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
You got to show me the data that the twenty
five pitches or you know, twenty eight pitches more well,
automatically he's going to get Tommy John Like, I don't.
I got to see the data on that. I mean,
I think it's a little too cautious. I think you
got to go for the feet now again, you put it.

(03:18):
You send him out for the eighth, he's at ninety
nine pitches. He s him out for the eighth. You know,
he gets a hit, you pull him. I mean, it's
that simple. It's not like, oh, if he's pitching on
one there, pitt, you to one here to your pull him.
He's picture no hitter. You go for the feet, right,
and you got to give him a chance. You got
to give them the chance at the feet at the

(03:39):
history of it, I mean, in the great scheme of
things is you know, twenty five another twenty five pitches.
I want to send him to the er. Like nobody's
saying he's got to you gotta throw one hundred and
eighty pitches. I'm I'm not saying that he's at ninety
nine pitches.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
You always want history, if you have a shot at history,
And doesn't this, frankly echo the same thing that we've
talked about with the NBA, the devaluation of anything that
happens in the regular season. And then people turn around
and ask why we don't pay more attention to what's
happening in the regular season. Well, if a no hitter
is not important in the regular season to Major League Baseball,
why should it be important to me? You know that's well,

(04:15):
you know, it's funny.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
That's why I ask you, because quite frankly, I knew
that you would be, you know, mad about it.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Like the story. I love the story. I mean from
number one.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
The story is out of Disney Disney movie, right, like
for sure?

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, I mean because the kid the kids is awesome.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Like I love watching this kid pitch, just seeing that
kind of velocity, seeing the kind of movement that he's
got on his pitches. I mean he I mean, he's
he's a one man's traveling circus that you want to see.
The only thing that's any good for the pirates is
this kid. And I understand that you want to have

(04:56):
supreme protection, but you also want to allow the show.
You don't want to add and the show, you know,
three quarters of the way in. Yeah, you know what
I mean, Like you got to put on a show
and then maybe a fitsie will go, yeah, that's the seven,
you know, like that's it's cool, instead of going right

(05:16):
to four.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Now one hundred percent, and it becomes you gotta have moments,
no matter what sport we're talking about. And frankly, you know,
if you've watched any of Receiver on Netflix, that's one
thing that the NFL does a great job of making
sure that we know that every single week seems to
have a moment, a thing that fan bases.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Remember.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
I was rewatching some of that with Davante being in
it and remembering different outcomes of different games from last year,
and it just felt like there were so many, oh
my gods, that were positive and negative for you know,
my favorite team. I think you got to have moments,
and moments have to matter. And this is why I
constantly step on my soapbox and say, like, what is
the point in in every sport? What is the point

(05:59):
if we so worried about where things are going that
we don't actually appreciate the where we are right now. So,
whether we're talking about you know, the Celtics on their
championship running me yelling at Boston fans at the time
and saying, if you don't enjoy this ride, what are
you doing it for? Right Like, you've got to find
a way. The NBA and evaluation of the regular season.
Major League Baseball has this opportunity right now in July
where they should be absolutely captivating America. But are we captive? No?

(06:23):
You know so, I do think that sports in general
have become so data driven in every possible way that
sometimes you get so worried about the analytics you don't
just worry about the experience. And if you if you're
not worried about the experience.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
To lose your soul, man, yeah, one hundred percent, to
lose your soul.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Where's the theater? You know?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Where is you know the moments that we were breathless?
Figure out how many times in regular season you're breathless
in the NBA. Breathless is important. It's it's one of
the theater aspect of it. And I get look business
and I get jobs, and I you know, GM's jobs,

(07:07):
and it's big business and everything else.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Give me a break.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
We've strayed too far. From the stage. I don't get it.
I get it, but I think it's wrong.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
Well, I think part of the problem with everything is
what's the point of sports in general? Because I think
the answer to that, what is the point for fans
and for people around it has changed so much in
the last fifteen years, like we have become such a
championship or bus society. Now anyone listening that suddenly thinks

(07:44):
that I'm gonna sit here and you know, love participation
in trophies. I'm the exact opposite. I don't love second place,
third place, and anything I've ever done in my life.
That being said, you still have to just respect that
the journey is supposed to be what it's about, right,
Like you're supposed to love all of the individual moments,
not just the way it ends. And that I think

(08:07):
that's lost.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Right.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
So if it's lost, if the context is only you know,
Tommy Johnson, the context is only what's it going to be,
you know, for the next ten years, and the concept
is only what's it gonna be for the playoffs, and
the concept is never about what's it going to be today,
then there's just there's no importance today, there's no value
to today. There's no experience in today, and that we

(08:28):
become so callous to greatness and so consumed with the
future that I don't even know if we know how
to appreciate the moment.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
I'm so with you.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
And the other aspect is, you know, so what you're
telling me, it's just all about a month or two
months in the NBA's case, two and a half months tournament.
So it's just about this tournament. That's it. Just stay
healthy so we can play this tournament. And then you know,

(08:57):
because you know, just about everybody makes the playoffs, right,
you know, you're an add on wild cards and everything else. See,
the problem, truthfully is is the exploitation of the playoff.
Because the exploitation of the playoff excus everything in that
tournament style, and so you play like in baseball, having

(09:19):
these wildcards are ridiculous, It's stupid, it's quite frankly, because
what are you playing for? And the I it was funny,
I was talking to Larry about the Phillies off to
the epic start. You know what his biggest concern is
because I'm worried that come the wild card, the fact

(09:40):
that they're not playing, they'll get cold, because that can happen, right,
like we solved with the Braves the last two years
with hands in the Phillies, that if you're all of
a sudden not playing and you get a week off,
you're stale in that sport. Like while you're waiting for
the wildcard, you can be stale. Your bats get off
and it's a sport that you can't like. Practice is

(10:04):
not you know, it can't simil a game. You could throw,
you could throw live the whole thing, but that doesn't
sam with a game. And so that that was Bubah's
biggest concern about the Phillies is you're gonna be so
good that they're gonna get a rest and a break.
You shouldn't have wild cards, but that shouldn't be you
play all these freaking games for what. So everybody makes

(10:29):
the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Well, the problem is there's money and attention in the playoffs, right,
and so the playoffs become and that's again where everything
is just so skewed. The network partners want more playoff
games because they make more money. More people watch the
playoff games because we've been conditioned to that's all that cares.
It's almost like you are all that matters. It's almost
like you'd have to be willing to take the short

(10:53):
term hit of losing that to then get more eyeballs
for the rest of the year. And I don't know
that anybody likes the concept of a short term hit
anywhere anymore. Like it's it's it's such an immediate reaction society,
you know. That's why why I constantly even say, with
the way media covers thinks like it, it's harder and
harder to go out and find places that cover everything

(11:15):
because you don't make as much money covering everything as
you do if you just cover the Lakers every day. Right,
So that's just that's that's real to the business. So
how do you get the business side of owners that
are making a ton of money in baseball to care
more about, Hey, why don't we value Why don't we
surge the value in our day in and day out
product and and focus less on October? I just don't

(11:36):
think that's ever gonna happen. So now that means experiences,
you know, no, hitters are are going to become something
of the past, Like I genuinely want the choke.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, you're right, and the joke is to hear the
pirates that you know are light years away from uh October.
All you got is the regular season. Let me get
my man out there. We've missed for the last couple
of weeks. Great headed figures figure.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
Hey, boys, now you say there are a lot of
years away from October, and they probably are. But as
of right now, there are only a few games out
of the wildcard, which, it look in some senses, might
be good because you say we're keeping more fan bases
interested in the regular season. But to you guys's point,
and I think Fitzi summed it up perfectly, there's such
a devaluation of the regular season from all facets, fans,

(12:25):
the media. I mean, obviously the front office is to
a degree if they don't think it's important to leave
a kid in there at this point in time, it's like,
what are we doing?

Speaker 6 (12:33):
This is why? And I've said this on this show
a couple of years ago.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
I believe Anthony, like, if you really wanted to the
regular season to mean something, you go back to what
it was in the nineteen seventies. You just go straight
to the ALCS, the NLCS, and the regular season at
that point effect in effect is a postseason. All the
regular season games end up mattering, especially when you get
later into the season. You don't have teams like the
Dodgers or the Phillies or Atlanta or whoever else is

(12:58):
pulling away and guys in the last two weeks of
the season saying, well, we just got to be healthy
for next week.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
It's like, no, every game means something. You're playing for something.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
Now half the league makes the postseason is almost like,
what difference does it make?

Speaker 6 (13:11):
You know, the DoD The Dodgers can get swept in.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Philadelphia terrible for the next two months and everybody knows
they're gonna win the division, they're gonna make the playoffs,
and all it is, hey, can we just have our
guys healthy.

Speaker 6 (13:21):
For the playoffs? Well, like, well, what fun is that?
What does that do?

Speaker 3 (13:27):
It's the worst.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
And it's coincided with the with baseball's fall, right, it's
fall from grace, which is true, which is baseball was
number one in this country, right, And you want to
talk about this pace and all I get it right,
Still that I.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Think contributed you.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
You can't play all year and just have it mean
nothing because those games just get devalued us. The product
gets devalued. And I'm with you on the the wild
card and with the pie and the pirates are buzzing
around the walk card.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
They stink. They just lost Jones kid. Right, they're not
gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
They're not making the playoffs, and they had no lineup,
and you look at you look at this kid, and
you go, where's the lord?

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Dude? I remember watching.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Dwight goodin right at nineteen years old, just exhilarates you, right,
like captivates you. It was it was unreal. But part
of it too was he's flirt with no hitters. He's
giving you one hitters and.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Complete games like he's ridiculous. You gotta go.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I'm not saying you're gonna throw the kid one hundred
and you know, thirty pitches every night, every start, right,
I'm not even saying that. I'm just saying, give the
keimny chance to finish history.

Speaker 5 (14:55):
Well, he's like ten eleven starts into his career, means
where and tear give him some time off, Let a
skip a start or two if you have to, let
me chase history.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
If he throws a perfect.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
Game, and and he does throw one hundred and twenty
seven pitches, skip a start in the rotation.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
I'm sure everybody will take that. Everybody will take that.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Who cares.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Of course, you got to show me the distress of
throwing another twenty seven pitches, you're right. And here's the
joke of it, right, these kids up until they're you know,
up until college or you know, even through high school,
they're throwing constantly, man before Oh my god, like like

(15:36):
I'm just going through it right now, Like we can't
little league pitches, right, So there's a limit to how
many pitches you can throw the whole thing, which is great.
They do a good job with it, but in reality
it's nonsense because all these kids playing Little League also
play travel ball, right, right, and so they're they're they're pitching,
they're throwing. My little one has little league elbow, right,

(15:58):
and we gotta take them to the doctor on Monday.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Right, Like, you know, it's just part of the thing.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
Like, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Telling you, I know it's probably from he's you know,
growing and he's plays two teams and you're just throwing it.
You're not even counting, Like it's not about even the
stress of a pitch, right, it's just all the throwing.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
Well, they're throwing max effort too, and being told to
throwing at max effort at fifteen years old, even up
up through high school, up through college into the pros
during bullpen sessions, throw as hard as you possibly can.
Well like, well, yeah, I mean if I'm throwing as
hard as I possibly can in practice and the game
comes around, of course I'm not any Tommy John by
the time I'm twenty six, arm's.

Speaker 6 (16:36):
Gonna fall off.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
Yes, And how the pros having figured this out, that
this is a wide sweeping issue that's gonna continue unless
something gets changed, really trickling all the way down to
the youth level, we're gonna experience even more of this.
So I hate to say this about Paul Skeins, but
like Steven Strasburg who burst onto the scene and it
happened to him eventually, all these guys who are throwing
that hard at max effort all the time, it's a

(17:00):
ticking time bomb. Now, the chances it's probably going to
happen a couple of years from now or maybe next year,
but it's probably not going to happen in this tenth
start by throwing to your point, Anthony fourteen or fifteen
additional pitches.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
If he has a chance to chase history, let him
do it. Let him chase that for it.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Now, I mean maybe FITZI says, man, the story's is seven. Yeah,
and I'm not a base I'm not a baseball sea man,
but man, it's just I'm indo it.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Well you know why it's a seven because YEA one
thing I'm going to push back, like the one thing
that you said there, because you're right about everything. The
one thing is when are they going to figure out?
Like everybody's figured out. There's no way in this analytics
and medical world, there's no way that everybody in baseball
doesn't know what's happening. Yeah, they just don't give it
damn until they suddenly give it damn. So like in

(17:48):
this spot where everybody works on short term contracts in
the world of sports and everybody just needs results right now,
I just think people don't care about what's going to
happen until suddenly we get to pocket, Like all the
way until you get to the bigs, it's like, Hey,
I'm just gonna make sure that I get what I
need to get so that I get my wins. I
don't I feel like I'm very callous this morning, and

(18:08):
I don't need to be You're right, there's a there's
a portion you say, they don't know what they're doing,
they just don't give it, damn. And then all of
a sudden they give it damn. When you get to
this level and instead of you know, instead of getting
the lifetime memory that we'll talk about for the rest
of history, you get none of that.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
Yeah, it was certainly it was more of a rhetorical
statement a question, for sure, But I mean, yeah, you
have to Basically, the kids are are being built up
to throw one hundred and five miles an hour by
the time they reach nineteen years old. And then, yeah,
the pros are the ones who are left to have
to deal with that collateral damage and having to manage
innings in all of that. And it's unfortunate because you
had you mentioned the pitchers like Dwight Gooden back in

(18:43):
the day, guys who had rubber arms, will pitch forever,
who could throw ninety five, ninety six and maybe every
now and then they can reer back for one on one,
but not each and every solitary pitch. But now that's
how they're being taught that everybody has to be able
to get strikeouts. That that's basically how it's taught through
the youth level, and basically you can't un coach that
once you get to the pro so the pros basically
have to manage it.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Now, how come one thing I still don't know is
and maybe I don't think he was an anomaly, but
you know Nolan Ryan who throws and the gun they
told at the radar gun being different and how it was.
You know, if today's radar gun was on Nolan Ryan,
he's trogling one hundred and three hundred and four.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
So why I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
He throws all those innings, Steve Carlton threw hard through
all those innings.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
I don't know. Maybe they're just anomalies.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
There probably are a couple of physical anomalies in there,
But for the most part, guys back in the day,
we're not throwing ninety nine, ninety eight, one hundred.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
Every single solitary fastball that they.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Threw, right, all right, It's just it's you know, we
got to get into I want to dive into this
whole subject of the regular season because Colin, we've talked
about promos. Colin Coward said the same thing about Aaron Rodgers.
So let's discuss. We've got a lot to do. The
fellows old tagging all back together. Love it one of

(20:05):
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Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, welcome back fellas from the Tyraq dot Com studio,
Jason Fitz, Kevin Figuers. I'm Anthony Garganhe so it's interesting
we're talking about this whole devalue ano the regular season
off of schemes and denying him this moment. And I

(21:24):
mentioned a little earlier or one of our promos, Colin
Caller talked about Aaron Rodgers and he's like, well, he's
got to do better and win more than one super
Bowl that he's a five hundred quarterback when it comes
to the playoffs. Now in the same vein, we're devaluing.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
The regular scenes.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
In the greatness, I heard of one of my colleagues
who's much younger than me, talk about Peyton Manning and
he's like, well, Peyton Madding's a playoff choke, right, Like
he's stunk in the playoffs. And it's like, well, you know,
he had Tom Brady in front of him, and you're

(22:10):
talking about like a handful of games, and the idea
of you know, is he going to throw for four
hundred and forty yards in a playoff game and win?

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Probably not, right, Like you're not going to win doing that.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
The idea in the playoffs is it's so team oriented.
It's why I hate castigating quarterbacks and judging them on
these results solely on their shoulders. When it's a defense,
it's a coach, Like, do you think Aaron Rodgers is
at fault or is McCarthy the one to blame whose

(22:48):
team came out flat the year after they went they
won the Super Bowl? They were fifteen and one. They
came out flat against the Giants. They fell to a
big hole. They hit him on it with a hell
Mary Eli manning hell Mary ran before halftime.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Now is that Aaron Rodgers fault?

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Or is it the head coach who couldn't get his
team right and they came out flat and listless.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
I mean, think about what we talk about in general,
fifty three men on an active roster and we put
it all on one. How many Super Bowls has he won?

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Right?

Speaker 4 (23:25):
But then in the NBA, when a player suddenly switches
teams to try and win a chip, because that's all
we care about, then they're ring chasing and we don't
want to give that championship credit. Like we moved the
goalpost so much on what success is. And I'm sorry
because I know Collin's a legend. And one of my
biggest influences and one of the most important people to Fox.
But I'm gonna be very honest. If your answer is

(23:46):
you've only won one super Bowl, my reply to that
is go to hell. And I remember years ago I
said to somebody in the music business, I made a
joke about a one hit wonder and he looked me
square in the eyes. And at that time I had nothing,
And he looked at me square in the eyes and said,
how many hits have you had? We spend all this
time making fun of somebody that has one legendary song,
like that's something to be embarrassed about. We're sitting there

(24:08):
saying with the quarterback like Dan Marino didn't get a
Super Bowl. And I always go back to Dan Marino
because I truly believe that if Dan Marino were an
active quarterback right now in today's society, we would trash
his legacy and wouldn't appreciate it. The concept that somebody
comes in and says, well, you've only done the most
impossible thing to do in this league one time, and

(24:29):
that's not good enough. Can you imagine if your friend
showed up and said, guys, I climb mount Everest and
I looked over fat from the Thanksgiving table and said,
I don't know, man. He did it once, like what
are we talking about here? Like this is the stupidest
logic I could possibly imagine that being said Colin, I
love you, don't don't.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Be Man's still stupid. He felt the same thing.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Man, I'm going and I was thinking the same thing
because I have think college really smart and he does
such a great job. But I usually love his insights.
I mean, like, what are we talking about here?

Speaker 5 (25:02):
It's also so lazy and just lacks context when you
talk about someone's quote unquote playoff record. Well, and this
is something you brought up fits talking about the Celtics
in particular, saying if they don't win a championship this year,
they lost in the conference finals two years ago and
then the second round of the year before. But every
single year has a different story and there's a different
reason why they lost those particular games, and so you

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can't just say, well, someone those record as.

Speaker 6 (25:25):
This, they're clearly playoff choke artists.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
Is like, well, no, maybe the defense was terrible one year,
maybe he was hurt going into a game one year.
Maybe like a couple of years ago, San Francisco ran
for three hundred yards in Green Bay against him, and
they didn't have the ball. Like there's certain things that
are even outside of a player's hands at times. I'm
not absolving him of any responsibility and saying he's not
the reason why they've struggled or lost games before, but
you have to have context within each of every playoff loss.

(25:49):
In particular, like you guys mentioned, in a sport like football,
where you need so much to go right for you
to be able to win. As great as Tom Brady is,
people were acting like Tom Brady threw for you know,
three hundred and thirty five yards and fours touchdowns and
all the playoff victories that the Patriots have had, Like
I got news for you, Like, outside of a couple
of Super Bowls, his numbers are pretty pedestrian in many
of those games and many.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Of the Atlanta You go through it.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
And yeah, the Eagles, the Eagles lost the game that
Nick Foles, you know they ended up winning. That was
one of Tom Brady's best games and they lost.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Look, Brady's in all time. I'm not taking anything away
from Brady, but we all know that, Like sometimes it's
better to be lucky than good. Like you need that
call to be ruled a tuck and not a fumble, right,
like which right, appropriate, right, right, usage of a bad
rule at the time, all those things, but like those
are the little breaks that if you don't get them,
legacies don't happen. And like, look, even Mahomes at times

(26:42):
has struggled in some playoff games and some Super Bowl matchups,
and that's just part of what happens when the best
is taking on the best. Like I'm not.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
I'm glad you brought Mahomes up, right, So you know
why he struggled in that one Super Bowl?

Speaker 6 (26:57):
Yeah, no time to throw trash that one time. Correct, Yeah, the.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Tackles, he lost both his tackles, right, And so people
looked that game years later with no contexts and.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Go, Mahomes is horrible on that game, while the answer
is no, he wasn't. He had no tackles.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
And that's why this whole ridiculous argument that were counting
super Bowls. And when I'm hearing kids who are I
work with say that Peyton Manny was trash because he
couldn't win in the playoffs because he was terrible, And
I'm thinking of myself like, if you ever watch him, like,

(27:39):
are you kidding me? How could you possibly say Peyton
matt because he only had one Super Bowl And the
joke is he wasn't even that good against the Bears
of the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
Now was one of his worst play playoffs, one of
his worst postseasons as a whole was the other Colts
won that Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Well, and look, I think part of that just comes
because and this is where you guys know, I'm not
a big history guy, right, Like, I'm not the guy
that usually comes in all the time and says history
of the game, history of the game. The problem is,
the farther away we get from eras of people watching it,
the harder it is to understand how great it was.
What becomes really difficult about that is if you're a
kid that didn't really watch the Peyton Manning eras, if

(28:18):
you're a kid like I remember at one point being
at a bar with somebody that had never watched football,
and I was like, I will teach you everything you
need to know, like, let's go, this is gonna be great.
And so we're sitting there at a table and we
watched a Colts game first and then the Raiders were
on after that, and my friend leaned over after the
Colts game, I was like, Hey, why did it look
so easy when the Colts did it and so hard

(28:39):
when this team has tried to do it? I was like, well,
that has Peyton Manning like, if you didn't grow up
watching that, if you didn't see those things in person, yeah,
you can go back in YouTube. But nobody's doing that,
so it becomes much easier to just be like, well,
look at the number of championships, look at the stat
line from this, and you just you cannot get the
sense of a game from red zone. You cannot get
the sense of a game from a stat line. You've

(29:00):
got to watch all of it, and nobody does that.
So they were making sweeping generalizations about who is good
and bad based on having watched a third of the content.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
That's same thpot on and and you know what. You
know what kills me though, is that you're tarnishing. It
goes back to what that guy told you about the
one hit wonder, like, you're tarnishing.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
You know, people that have achieved.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
You know again, I figure about Maddie and I'm going,
you know, he not only had to deal with Brady's
greatness on the other side of the football, but Belichick.
They changed the rules because of how Belichick played his
defense and hung on his receivers. Remember that, like they

(29:53):
used to they used to grab Harrison.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
They they changed the rules because of it.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
I mean, that's something that you have to admit to,
even Steelers fans not that long ago, Like, well, Tomlin
only got one with Big Ben and it's like, okay, well,
are we not going to have the context conversation of
who they were going up against in the AFC? Like
there is there's a period right now where greatness is
going to constantly be squished because you're going up against

(30:23):
Mahomes and Andy Reid. Like I cannot imagine how we
would cover the Buffalo Bills right now losing four straight
Super Bowls. And look, even in the moment, there was
some laughing about it back in the nineties about losing
four straight Super Bowls And now what do they say, Well, man,
these were Hall of Fame teams and we didn't appreciate
him enough. But yet we're doing the same exact thing

(30:45):
every single time.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
I mean, look at the look at pat Riley. He
went to the Knicks. He didn't win, No, right, he
didn't win with the Knicks.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
Even made to the finals. I think that was Van
gundydeed to come to the finals. I think Patt left
by then if I remember correctly.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
You remember correctly, Yeah, exactly right, the finals against Houston
with Van Gundy. That was during the OJ thing And uh,
you're gonna tell me so Pat Roley wasn't a great coach.
He turned that next to he made that that next
team relevant and that's just because he had to deal
with Michael Jordan, Right, I mean, I mean, where's again

(31:23):
does zero sum? And it takes away from how we
appreciate what we're talking about right now, is how it
takes away our appreciation of the sport or of the player,
of the moment of the coach. We you know, so
if Paul Skeins is allowed to go and finish a
no hitter, it's just it's it's something that we can

(31:48):
cleave to. It's a mile post, it's a it's a feat.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
That we can that we've enjoyed.

Speaker 6 (31:55):
Another something it does.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
Like another great example I think to stick with the
NBA was what A and Jerry Sloan in Utah? What
they have in nineteen straight years that they won at
least forty five forty eight games, made it to the playoffs,
made it to the finals.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
A couple of times realize how unreal that is.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
To have that kind of run championships are not, to
basically be relevant, to be one of the best teams
in an entire conference for the better part of two
decades is unheard of in any sport.

Speaker 6 (32:21):
And they were able to do that.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
But if they would have won one of those NBA
finals against Chicago, it changes everything just.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Once, unless is NBA jam. We've never talked about Stockton
them alone.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
Right thousand percent.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
It's it does a disservice like we currently are doing
a disservice to sports history, and we're doing a disservice
to sports in the future by the way we're handling
sports right now. And the funny thing is, I'm not
sure there's been an era that's done as bad a
job with the past, the present, and the future when

(32:56):
it comes to how we can textualize sports as the
era we're we're in right now, and it's.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Wilds Your dude, you're so right again again, You're so right,
And I got it. I will do it on the
other side, and it's ESPN's fault. And I love the
ESPN and I love you know, just I love these
big networks like Fox and the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
But it's it's that I'll explain.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
I mean, it's terrible, it's terrible, and we have You're
exactly right, we're killing sports history. Where the fellas he's
Jason fitz Kevin figures, I'm Anthony Gargano right here on
Fox Sports Radio fellas Jason fitz Kevin figures, I'm Anthony Gargano.
And I love this conversation because I'm very passionate about it,

(33:48):
very passionate about it. And you know, when FITZI says
we're killing sports history and we're failing at our job,
he's so spot on. And the ruination is the take.
The take is killing how we cover sports because you

(34:15):
gotta have a take. It's the only way to derise
entertainment is from a take. Even if the take is
BS made up, fake, a lie, that it doesn't matter
because all the brilliant program directors and GMS and all

(34:41):
these producers, Oh.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
You gotta have a take. What's your take?

Speaker 2 (34:45):
And the takes are half of them night. We'll actually
more than half of them are nonsense. They don't even
believe them.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
They have these people unless they're just stupid, they don't
appreciate it. So it does about a take.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, do you need an opinion, of course, right, but
they need to be thought out, they need to be honest.
It needs to be true. It's the only thing. And
if you're just doing it just to fake it, I
want to get we'll get big ratings. Are you really
getting radies? Because right now in the world of social media,
everybody has an opinion that is either published, that is

(35:22):
on a podcast, that is on any kind of airwave.
Everybody's got opinions, So another one is exactly what you're
going to get another piece of nonsense.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
God, I'm sorry, Well.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
No, but I think part of that comes down to Look,
I've been lucky enough to do first take several times
in my career when I was with ESPN. And when
you go into the production meeting, I don't think I'm
revealing any trade secrets here. When you go into the
production meeting, they give you the night before, you get
a bunch of topics, and when you come in they
want you to say as little as possible because they

(35:59):
don't want to give it all away, but they really
want to find things that you differ on. And what
was funny is, you know, I did first take years
ago with our coworker here at Fox Sports Radio on
the Weekend, Ryan Hollins, and that one was easy because
Hollins has big thoughts on a lot of things. But
when I did it with Damian Woody, who's a close
friend of mine, Woody was very much in the production meeting,
was like, I mean, that might be true, that might

(36:21):
not be true, and you could see the struggle with
trying to put the show together because they're not really
looking for I always say, the show is not called
first fair and nuanced conversation, it's called first take. And
at some point it just became easier and easier to
blow through take after take after take. So what you
end up with is you end up with the machine
where you know, what they're trying to do is create
social media clicks, and they're trying to create volume that

(36:44):
can be repeated all day long, and then you know, realistically,
they'll say something on the morning show that gets reacted
to on the take show, that gets reacted to on
the afternoon show, and they've created their own news cycles.
So it doesn't require really a historical context. It doesn't
require that you watch the games, It doesn't require any
of that. It requires that you have something big to say.

(37:04):
And one of the people that you know really coached
me at ESPN said, if you can read the ESPN
dot com site and have a strong opinion about every
single article, then you're in the right realm. That's that's
what they want you to do. So it's okay.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
So but let me let me, let me, let me
stop you right here, because we all understand what it is.
And it's ps okay, because let's be let's be honest here.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
It's acting. It's theater.

Speaker 6 (37:29):
It's contrived, all right, it's theater.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Because it's impossible to have a strong take on everything
on the ESPN uh news board.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Right like you could feel a certain ways.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Some of you feel stronger, others you feel But if
you're telling me that I need to do that, and
I know you're right because I've been up there a
million times. If you're telling me I need to do that,
then okay, that's that's the job. That doesn't make it
honest or write or just it makes all right, this
is what we're doing, is we're gonna stand up here.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
It's why.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
It's one of the biggest problems that we have in
the country because it also makes you either left or
right on steroids, and it lacks the middle grounds. And
so you know, whatever ideology you believe in, you take
it to the wind, not right like you take it

(38:25):
to the end degree.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
And we talk about.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
How fundamentalism is the worst thing for any kind of society,
and in that small way, this is what sports has become.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
Yeah, because people start formulating their full on opinions based
on the opinions of other people who, by the way,
that might might not even be their genuine opinion. Right,
just like what they're saying to fits this point in
a production meetings, like well, I don't feel that strongly
about it, Like, yeah, you will, here's how you're gonna feel.
Say this, say that, nudge you in this direction. We
got to have a discussion here. And I understand they

(38:58):
have jobs to do, understand that part of it completely,
But we're talking about only playoff games matter. Regular season
this all that matters is if you're healthy. All of
that sort of thought process comes from as born out
of basically a lot of these shows and how they
because they talk about the exact same thing, and that
formulates the opinions of the fans.

Speaker 6 (39:18):
And social media.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
You mentioned the amalgamation of clips that get shown over
and over and retweeted and reposted on Instagram. That's all
people see, that's all they go off of, and that
ends up formulating the greater opinion that's out there for
a lot of people to consume.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
I will say this in two different ways. When I
was my first year in radio was in Nashville and
it was during the year that the Prets went on
their Stanley Cup final run. I was working for the
Preds flagship and I remember in the middle of the
regular season they were screaming about the fact that we
weren't talking enough Preds and I was like, yeah, but
the third line defensive pairing on a Thursday night in
the middle of January doesn't really matter. But how do

(39:55):
you make it matter? And I think the problem is,
in order to do things in a way that doesn't
revolve takes, you have to watch more, and nobody can
watch enough to do that. You just need more people
that specialize in particular things. They can have smart things
to say instead of one person being paid twenty million
dollars to know nothing about.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Everything spot on.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yes, yes, but you can also do storytelling. What they
part of it, what they did in the past was
more storytelling facts.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
You know, and I and I think you can. You
can dive into that.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
And again I'm not saying that you're not supposed to
have an opinion, right, that's we all believe in that.
But it's the phony fake is what I object to.
Fellas on Fox.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
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This is the Fellas Jason fitz Kevin figures.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
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a tangent. It's almost on a tangent. It's the preservation

(41:21):
of sports right of sports history. It's what we it's
what we loved it. We love this stuff and we
should love this stuff. And if you love something, you
really should care about it, nurture it.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
And I understand that.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
There is a business to all this stuff and then
everything we do.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
But there fifty said it earlier.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
I thought it was the line of the day that
we are failing at preserving our sports history and we
have failed that. This current generation of media, of sports
media has failed in how it's taken sport away from

(42:10):
the appreciation of it. And it's not the master's fault.
I mean, truthfully, it's the it's the media and how
it's directed it.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
It's the I mean that we're all to blame. Listen.
I made my bones in sports radio, right like you know.
Every day.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
I had a program director who told me one day
that I was talking about the Phillies and the Phillies
were not good, and I was like round about how
the Phillies needed to do X, Y and Z. And
he brings me to his office and I just left newspapers.
I was at the Philipphy Inquirer. And he brings me

(42:49):
to his office and he says, why are we talking baseball?
Baseball doesn't matter. Just talk football, Just talk football. And
he was from Louisiana, had this draw and he said,
and if you don't want to talk football, talk about
God stuff. You're a guy talk about God stuff. And

(43:13):
I'm thinking myself, wait a second, You're like, this is
like the number one sports station in this town. That
was WIP, and you're telling me not to talk about
the Phillies, Like who are on your air at that point?
They were on their sister station. And I was like, wow,
all right, you know, I'm you know whoever? I was

(43:33):
thirty years old. At thirty two years old, and the
guy's telling me to not talk about baseball. Nobody cares
about baseball here. But part of what we part of
what our job is is to care about all sports.
Like you watch like the Olympics are around the corner,
do you guys like and I.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Love the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I think the Olympics should be celebrated, and and I
think we're much bigger when.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
I was younger. I don't know why that is, any thoughts.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
No, So I've been asking the question repeatedly of why
the Olympics aren't cutting through. But the answer that I've
gotten that I think is an adjustment for guys like
you and me, is pretty smart from some people, is
that the modern generation doesn't need months to get ready
for the Olympics. They need minutes. They're not going to
pay attention to long form storytelling about who these guys

(44:29):
are anyway and girls are anyway. They just want the
ninety second TikTok clip as they're getting ready for the race,
So they no longer want to prep for it and
have this like build up of months of here are
the you know, and look, we've seen huge turnouts for
things like the Olympic swimming trials. We're seeing huge turnouts
for all of these things. But I just don't feel
like we have had the captive eyeballs on the Olympics

(44:49):
the way that we have for previous versions of it.
But it also seems like society is no longer captive.
Like society just like give it to me, let me
cram for it, like taking a test in high school.
I don't want to study. I want to cram and
then we'll figure it out.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
But even as it happens, it doesn't feel like it's
his big I mean, when I was a kid, like
Carl Lewis was wow.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Like he was every bit of a you know hero.
Oh yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
You go back the Olympic boxers, and it wasn't just
about basketball, which I loved, but it was you know,
it was all these sports. It was gymnastics, like you know,
I don't know, it just it just felt the summer
games felt bigger. And maybe that's it, maybe any false fake.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
I mean, I think part of the reason is, and
you know, we as the media, swing a really big
stick in determining what the public deems to be important
a lot of the time. So whoever you think the
biggest media outlets are, we know what the biggest one
is and the ones that follow suit if they're going
to put a lot of their focus and attention on
these things leading up to it, and I believe, look,

(46:09):
if they if they have the actual contract, they would
just like they when they had when they had the
World Cup, they leaned into that super heavy that that's
just how that works.

Speaker 6 (46:17):
I do think that makes a major difference.

Speaker 5 (46:19):
Uh, the fact that it's on NBC who really only
pays attention or really brings it to our attention when
it happens when the opening ceremonies and you know, you
have to log onto Peacock to watch what you want
to watch, or watch the network outside. You know, there's
really not a lot of room for build up at
this point in time for it because there's not an
avenue for it unless you go seek it out. And

(46:40):
if you're a general sports fan, you know exactly what
the outlets are that you seek out, if news information,
what's important, what's relevant, what should I be keeping my
eye on, And as of right now, because that property
is not something that is under the umbrella of the
four letter, they don't care about it. So a lot
of people on in the general sports audience don't necessarily

(47:00):
care about it either until it actually happens.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
And look, I'm not just because where I am, and
I need to say loudly for people that don't know. Obviously,
I was at ESPN for six years and they were
six of the best years of my entire life, and
that place changed my life. So I have a lot
of love for the fore Letner Network. One of the
biggest differences in my life at Fox Sports Radio versus
my life at ESPN Radio. And this is just being
very honest. I remember when my first show was Spain

(47:27):
and Fits with Sarah Spain, and there was a conversation
when we first started about did we want to talk
into UFC for a upcoming fight, and we got laughed
at and there's like nobody listening on radio cares. Not
long after that, UFC signed to deal with ESPN, and
before you know it, it was, hey, can you put Aeriol
Halwani on every Friday to promote different UFC things on
Like that's real. ESPN radio, in my experience, was as

(47:50):
much about topics as it was about advertising, whatever rights were.
So Figgy is right. I've lived it, Like, if ESPN
had Olympic rights, then right now, there'd be ads running
all the time, there'd be specials running all the time,
they'd be focusing their attention on it all the time
if they don't have rights. And Olympic rights are really
tricky because you can't even show the logo on some

(48:11):
places if you don't have the rights. You can't show
more than a certain seconds of footage if you don't
have the rights. So Figgy's one hundred percent right that
if ESPN owned it, and that's why you know esping
keeping the NBA finals is in my opinion, is good
for the NBA because if they don't have it, they
don't have to talk about it and they don't have
to talk about it. It feels like it lessens in
the social consciousness. Just look at baseball.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, that's a good point, and maybe that's maybe that's
it too.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Like if I think back to.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I guess we always romanticize when we were our own childhood,
and I guess mine and against the difference is to
I was a big Sports Illustrated kid growing up me too,
so like I didn't care about I didn't like superheroes.
Athletes were my superheroes, right, like Michael Jordan, like those athletes,

(49:05):
they were my superheroes.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
So I loved Sports Illustrated. I would get it.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
It would come every Thursday, and I would read it
cover to cover, like I love the end zone, big piece,
you know, every little department.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
I just loved it.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
And and I wasn't really like you know, I mean,
I was a kid growing up. I wasn't a golf
and I like, you know, tennis was a little bit bigger.
But you know, I read about all these sports because
they wrote about them, and then you know, one of
the bigger And I think you're right. The influences when

(49:42):
I was a kid, it was more Network TV, some
more ABC Sports, and they did a little bit more
broader coverage of everything, right, So boxing was bigger.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
A world of sports on the weekends when we kids,
like they were showing you a little bit of everything
and you watched it like yeah, and NBC when we
were kids. You know, even if you grew up in
the French, whether you grew up in the Cheers generation, uh,
the Friends generation, like Thursday Night on NBC for generations
was life. Well that was that was advertising time too,

(50:18):
where we're all captive, the whole country is watching Friends together.
And then all of a sudden, you see these ads
and these little like vignettes constantly for the Olympics coming up,
got your hype for it? Now in a streaming world,
you're skipping the ads anyway when you get them, and
half the time it's just a little blurb on the
bottom of the screen that says Olympics coming in a
few weeks. You're like, oh, yeah, that is coming up.
Like it's such a different way to try and captivate

(50:40):
an audience that you know, I think that does make
a massive difference in what we're talking about. And you
know the fact is we here have so many other
sports that we care more about day in and day out,
like if you We spent with the band at one
point a couple of months in Canada. At one point
we spent three months in Europe. You go from place
to place there and the national pride in their national team,

(51:03):
it seeps through year round. You know. Here we care
about it every four years when there's an Olympics to
worry about it.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
So right, so.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
And it's I guess it's how it has to be
because we're so big. We're such a vast, huge country
that you know, but you're right, these all the places,
like I don't know, I was watching the Euros and
you know it was it was England against Switzerland, or

(51:38):
England against the Netherlands, and the DUTs right with the
orange get up and the colors, and there's a hundred
thousand Dutch all dolled up in orange like this site
was awesome, right, that whole thing And the only thing
I've ever lived that was close to that was when.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
I was really little.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
They we it was the nineteen eighty uh of men's
hockey when we when we USA beat Russia, Like I
remembered like such national pride and it was interesting to
me because when I'm fitting network of this conversation. I
think back to like boxing, like the eighty four Olympics,

(52:28):
like they were in LA and we had like our
boxing team was unbelievable, and I just remember feeling there's
some like a men's pride as they're putting the gold
after gold on the each boxer, and I'm feeling like
a lot of pride, Like I used to check the
medal count every day in the paper with this slam,

(52:53):
we got x amount of golds.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
God, I used to do the same thing. I remember that.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
And then while but I don't, like I know my
kids that first of all, they don't even know that
the Ellipses or the Olympics is happening.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
They's no idea. I'd be stunned if they even know it.
It's funny because.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
The technology being so great today, right, instantaneous information, the
outlay of information never been greater. But yet it's easier
to lose the message because of all the messages, right,
so all the noise makes it harder to cut through,

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even though it's easier to get your message out there.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
And that also though changes to your point as you're
talking about it. What I'm thinking about is for you know,
your kids that are plugged in constantly, are they gonna
wait when there's time delay on things like that with
the Olympics?

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Like are they?

Speaker 4 (53:54):
I think the real test for the Olympics is going
to be when it's in la for in a few years.
If it's in la in four years and we're still
this sort of checked out, then I just I think
we have to ask serious questions about whether this country
even cares about the Olympics at the same level anymore.
If it becomes a phenomenon, it should be when it's
here and we're watching it live, and it's on our

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time zone and we don't have to worry about what
time it is in Paris and all of those different things,
and are the results already out on Twitter and like
we're trying to avoid those things. I do think that
that changes the immediacy and the availability of knowing everything
that's happened in the Olympics and not having a wait
until the eight o'clock reshowing is something that has definitely
changed in my mind. To hype around the broadcast for sure.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
Yeah, you pick and choose, you know, to watch live
whatever it is that you're most interested in. Back in
the day, they would show you what the most marque events,
the most important things are.

Speaker 6 (54:49):
Now you can seek those things out. You're on your own.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
You don't have to.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Wait for every broadcast set because I'll bring up boxing
once more. But I'd be like, where's the boxing, where's
the Bob's boxing? Basketball? Boxing were the only like like
to you know, you like to swimming, right, and uh,
I wasn't a big gymnastics fan, like you grow to

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appreciate that, right.

Speaker 6 (55:13):
Track and field is always a big track.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
And field was awesome, and then they have all the
other sports like you know that you didn't care about,
Like you didn't want you know, you didn't know about.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
That's like that's the one where you're laying down and
it's like, oh, fencing is on.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Put that background exactly exactly.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
It no disrespect to any of our listeners who may
be big fencing fans or fencing of fencers themselves.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
God bless.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
I mean we always we always think about that, but
it was, uh, it's the truth, like you you but
it just felt so much bigger. I don't know, it
felt like it felt like such a big deal that
when the Olympics would come around, it was like, Wow,
like this is you know, all the countries and I don't.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
I guess because of our own sports, we just we
just will never care about it.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
Yeah, and there's just I mean, in some senses that
the country is fractured to a certain degree, so you
would think this would be one thing to sort of
galvanize it. But even within the Olympics, to everything is spread.
There are people that will like certain sports, and there's
others who like to hear you to your kid's point,
if they even know it exists, they could care less
about any of them, doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yeah, I don't like My oldest is fourteen. I mean,
we haven't talked about it one time. I don't think
he even knows it. Wow, I really don't. I don't
think he knows it.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
I honestly think that the Olympics and the want for
flag football in it and being in LA if that
doesn't charge another generation about the Olympics, I'm genuinely curious
to see where it's all headed in the next twenty
years for this country.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
You got me thinking about flag football. I don't should
that be an Olympic sport?

Speaker 6 (57:10):
I mean why not break dancing is an Olympic sports?

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Break?

Speaker 6 (57:13):
I mean, what are we talking about?

Speaker 5 (57:15):
Pretty soon and they've already talked about what they're talking about.
This sports is like most likely within the next decade
going to be an Olympic sport.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
You know, why not? There's already leagues, pro leagues with like.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
A billion dollars of money. Like, there's a lot of
money wrapped up in esports. So people sitting around playing
video games and we're gonna call that a sport.

Speaker 6 (57:34):
Why the hell not put flag football in?

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yeah, it's a great point, it really. It's just weird
that real football is not in it. You know, there's
something that there's I have to be honest with it, right,
My kids have played it. I mean every kid plays
flag football, right, God bless right. It's a great thing.
I say that, I really mean it. I'm not just

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you know, thrown it out there. But the reason why
kids like it and even the parents like it, it's
it's like thirty minutes and it's like really regimen. There's
there's you go, like, we have a complex and if
you go to this complex, there's thirty flag football games

(58:23):
or twenty five flag football games going on at the
same time, and it's like all slotted right, correct every age,
you know time, and then just have all the and
it's quick. These games are really fast. They're like a
half hour, you know, forty minutes tops. And uh, I

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just looked at it and I was like, it feels
so dishonest.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
Well, I will say Olympic style to go ahead. I
was just saying, an Olympic style format. It's really difficult
to play real football because you just can't get enough restaurant.
What are the Olympics twelve fourteen days or something like that.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
You can't you can't play football.

Speaker 6 (59:03):
It's not real.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
I agree, you can't play football in the Olympics. I'm
not suggesting that. I was just more saying it's this
version of football is just.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
I don't know, I don't like it.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Yeah, I just think I think it's would you rather
have flag football or no football?

Speaker 2 (59:25):
How about that? No football? Because flag football isn't football.
And I tell my and I'll be honest with you,
And maybe it's the wrong message, all right, and I
don't really care. But I have two kids that both
play football, and I tell them, I go, listen to me,

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you're playing real football and what you do every day
at practice. Anybody who's ever played football knows that practice
is miserable.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
All right, it's not fun, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Hard work, it's arduous, but it's rewarding. And I tell
my kids all the time, and I go, you should
be proud of yourself that you're playing real football. You're
not like other kids. And listen again, I'm not telling
you that it's wrong. But what playing real football does.

(01:00:25):
Going to practice it for two hours in the heat
every night, it means more.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Than show it up for a ten minute prior whatever.
You practice seven to seven and you know, once a week,
and then you play the game. You get my point,
you're putting in work where you're playing real football.

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
Well, I guess you'd have to put in some element
of work or strategy however you could, whether it's trying
to teach more elusiveness or whatever it is for flag football.
But I mean, I'm I'm always forgiving more athletes point
I do, one hundred percent. But on the other side,
for me at least, I'm always forgiving more athletes more
opportunity uh to display their skills, to have a chance
to say, get a sense of accomplishment.

Speaker 6 (01:01:04):
So a flag football is something that they seriously want
to put in.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
Three on three basketball is in Like someone would say
that's that's not real basketball, but that's been in for
the last couple of cycles and for all into the time,
decent enough, whatever you want to call it. It gives
certain players who weren't good enough, talented enough, or too old,
too short, whatever you want to call it, a.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Chance to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Let's take time because like I hear you, and you're
not wrong. We'll come right back, we'll discuss it. I
think it's really interesting where the fella is hanging right
here Fox Sports Radio. It's six thirty eighty three thirty
the West Fellas hanging Jason fitz Kevin Figures.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
I'm Anthony Gargano. Great dance.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I still think on the CBS Sun the Boarding Show,
I did a breaking thing, like you know, when I
was a kid, Like that was awesome, right, Like we
loved it. Like I like, I go, hey, you can
have all the sports you want, all right, flag football,
all that stuff is great.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
And I truly mean that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
But when I talk about what I'm looking at flag
football through and I just see these kids, if it
feels like it's just a like this is an activity.
Here are a you know, if there is a hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
All these games going on at the same time and
it doesn't feel like stuff's getting taught, it doesn't feel like.

Speaker 6 (01:02:33):
Like you think it's like a pe event, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
I'm sorry, Like I really hate it, Like I like
I change.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
It does to change your thought though, if the point
and purpose is just to be good at flag football,
like if we treat it as a total separate thing,
that's like, hey, I'm not doing this to get the
fundamentals I need to play in the NFL. I'm doing
this to play a version of football kind of like
three on three basketball is its own sport at this point,
you know, like, is there some does it ease your

(01:03:02):
heart a little bit if it's just no, Yeah, we
play flag football for full.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Because you know why because listen, like I'm just gonna
talking about my kids and the messaging. It's not about
like my kids aren't gonna go play in the NFL.
My kids aren't gonna go play for Nebraska, right, Like
I have no delusions about that, but I think what
playing football, it's just the lesson of playing football is

(01:03:31):
so great like what you have to do to play football?
You got it's miserable. I keep trying to tell it,
like it's not fun. You know, my kid, it's going
to be a freshman. You know, I was all from
work the other day, like on Monday, driving the practice.
We leave at six fifteen, Right, he's DACA. School's about

(01:03:54):
forty minutes away. You know, get ready, you're on the field.
It's blazing hot. Right, you go through your football stuff,
then you go lift, right, and then you have meetings,
and then the next thing you know, it's eleven fifteen,
and you're like, you know, you're guessed.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
And I'm like, dude, this is what you accomplished.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
That this is a big deal that you went through
this at fourteen years old, that you know, it's summertime,
easy to sleep in play video games all night. But
he can't play video like I told him, like, dude,
you can't play. You can't stay up all night play
video games. You've got to be asleep at eleven o'clock.

(01:04:37):
Because if you're gonna wake up at six o'clock so
we can drive you down to practice and you can
get a practice and work out. That is it's the
only way you could do it, you need your sleep.
And so like this lesson is a great lesson in
life that he's learning now. And it all due respect

(01:04:59):
to flag football with you know, you show up and
you know, I don't know, you practice what you practice
for an hour whatever, it's not. It's not that what
I'm talking about, and that what he's doing now will
have an impact on the rest of his life.

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
Well, I mean, and now all of that is true,
and I certainly understand what you mean. Maybe what we
should do is just categorize them differently. I mean, we
can't really compare flag football to actual football. So like
if there's gonna put flag football over in its own
corner and have it be its own entity, because I
if you professionalize it or not professionalize it, put it
into the Olympics, making an actual competition where there are

(01:05:35):
practices and strategies and all of that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:38):
You can turn that into something that guys have to
work hard for.

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
Now you're not wearing pads and running into each other
and doing Hell weeks and all that sort of thing.
But there's a certain amount of training that you can
put into it to make sure that you master it
enough to have a good petition.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
I mean, I look at anything that you put in breakdancing,
you need to put all kinds of time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Into it if you were to compete, right, Like, that's that's.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
Break dancing thing. Though, let let's let's be honest as
a creative from the arts, like break dancing is dancing.
I have a little bit of a hard time. Like, look,
there are wildly prestigious and people will laugh when they
hear this, but there are violin competitions out there that
you know are will make or break your entire life
and make a break your career if you can actually
place in them and you can get medals and you

(01:06:20):
can do all of these things in violin competitions. That
does not mean that I suddenly think that violinists should
be Olympians. Like the concept of I sacrifice to everything
to compete in this doesn't necessarily make it a sport
or an Olympic sport at that. So you know, there's
a fine line for me, at least in my mind.
Flag football is an activity, so I like, like I

(01:06:42):
would be less infuriated by pickleball becoming an Olympic sport
than I am by the concept of break dancing being
an Olympic sports es.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Well, what's the difference in that figure skating, Uh, there's
such a thing. You're being judged, right, like any any
any activity where there is a judge.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
Yeah, but I mean there's judges in modeling competitions too,
you know, like I.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Think saying like figure skating is a big time Olympic sport.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
Yeah, but they have to do the athletic like the
triples and the sucows and the lutzes, like, and they're
on little blades. That seems like gymnastics.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
There's a level of skill, balance, all sorts of coordination.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Well, well, I'm only pointies.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
I could make the same argue about break dancing, like,
you know, it just hasn't been around.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
I've never liked ribbon dancing in the Olympics either. Like
I'm all in for the gymnastics when they do the
actual thing, but when they're just walking around tourling ribbons
like synchronized swimming, a little bit weird for me. I'm
gonna be honest, every time I look at it, I
just think of the snl skit Like, I don't know, right, right,
right right, I'm an Olympic elitist. I'll admit this.

Speaker 5 (01:07:53):
Yeah, those some sports I just don't understand. So yes,
like yes, like that the diving, you know, it's like
you if you lined up nine straight divers, they all
look the same to me, and it's like, wow, you
really tell the difference in this splash versus this. I
was like, I can't tell. It all looks the same.
How this one was a nine and that was an
a point too, I could I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
I know, it feels so subjective.

Speaker 6 (01:08:14):
You get a trained die for something like that. I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:08:17):
I we're for gymnastics, Like, all right, I can maybe
tell a little bit of a difference here and there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Right on the dismount correct, you know, you go, oh wait,
did they did they go to a full stop or
did stumble there? Like I guess that's you know, and
again like this is why people were experts in that field.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
We're not right, We're not an expert in.

Speaker 5 (01:08:35):
That field, which, by the way, I would hate to
compete in the sport like that, or basically I can't
really if you're if it's a head to head competition,
if I'm a boxer, and I guess you have scorecards,
so maybe that's a different example. Too, football, basketball, whatever
it is subjective. Yeah, yeah, but I mean if if
it's box all the time, that is true. I mean
there's I mean, the controversy about boxing is specifically in

(01:08:56):
the Olympics, is that there was a lot of bribes
that have gone on throughout the years.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Budget It's it's amazing how that's sport was so corrupt.

Speaker 6 (01:09:05):
Right, right, like most corrupts from what I understand for
a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Wait a second, like there is, uh, there's a story.
It's part of a bigger project that I'm working on,
but boxing is a part of it, and how it
was run by underground forces. And I talked to people
you know, close to like the old timers that tell stories,
and it's wild, like it's not just what you think,

(01:09:31):
like oh oh, this guy's taking a dive. It goes
well beyond that. It's it's it's bizarre. But you always wondered,
and you're right about the corruption with the Olympic judges
and they're like USA Russia, like there was you were
the judges, the Russian judges, all the stuff. Yeah, you
figure outadays if you can have robo umps, boxing should

(01:09:54):
be easy because you could tell what punches landed right,
Like you could easily have a scorecard that tells you, well,
he threw x amount of parts, like you already have
the copy box correct, but you could take it to
the degree where you have you know, flush shots are
worth x amount of points, like you should be able

(01:10:15):
to do it where it's not subjective.

Speaker 6 (01:10:17):
I agree, Yeah, I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
It's mostly because subjective in today's society only leads to
conspiracy theory. I mean, come on, we couldn't even make
a change on the US basketball team without it suddenly
becoming a conversation about whether or not that was really something,
you know, for for a brand Parson partnership. You know,
that's just that's wild to me. We immediately presume that
there's something nefarious going on in every situation.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
Yeah, gotta be Nike, man, that's where it is.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
And I love how I was like one teammate versus
another too, Why did he take him?

Speaker 6 (01:10:53):
Why didn't he take me?

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Oh my god, I know, I know. I mean, you
know the other thing about that is, when you're building
constructing a team, you need role players on the team.

Speaker 5 (01:11:08):
Yes, although I will say I don't feel that that
Derek White does something that Jalen Brown can't, you know.
I mean, if we're just say who is a better player,
Jalen Brown is definitely a better player. Not that Derek
White is terrible by any stretch. I don't necessarily feel
that dead Derek White is that much more superior of
what a perimeter defender.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Jalen Brown is a really good defender. But here's and listen,
when I've taken Jalen Brown. Yes here, My only argument
is if you're used to having the ball in your
hand right as a scorer, sometimes it's more difficult to
ratchet your game back and play a role. It's easier

(01:11:52):
for Derek Wright, just for Derek White to just play
a role, to to have his game, you know, carved
out and diminished just to fulfill a certain role, whereas
you know Jalen Brown's true.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
I love his game.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
I love Jalen Brown's game same, and you know it
mean it's hard for it'd be hard. It's harder for
the better player to now become just one dimensional.

Speaker 5 (01:12:18):
I understand that that was part of the reason when
they revamped this entire thing after the debacle in Athens
in two thousand and four, which is basically they just
let's get the most talented players we can fit, be damned,
and that was a big reason why you had a
bunch of guys who were a ball dominant, who weren't
good outside shooters, didn't compliment each other well, and just
thought that we can out talent our way to championships
to the gold because we've been doing that for years

(01:12:40):
and couldn't do that anymore. So then they went to
taking stars who are still star players, but star players
that all fit a specific role. So I certainly understand
that aspect of it. I I just don't think that
Jalen Brown's the better player. I don't think there's anything
that I believe he could have filled that role better
than I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
I can't imagine how it feels to be turned down
from the Olympic team and then have the answer be, well,
you're just too good.

Speaker 5 (01:13:02):
Correct, Yeah, we don't think and also we don't think
that you're good enough or smart enough to be able
to change your game to be able to fit what
we need you to be able to do.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Yeah, right, we need to take your lesser teammate to
do that. Right.

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
When we asked Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade and all
these guys and their prime to be able to do that, well,
we don't think you can do that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
Yeah, that would be that would be a tough pillow.

Speaker 5 (01:13:26):
That's a tough sell, which, so to a certain degree,
fits in Jaln. Brown's mind, is like, well, what will
be the other reason then for them to take him
over me? Maybe it is a Nike I don't know,
but he's like, there has to be something else going on,
because there's no way in hell they're taking this guy
over me, even though I love this guy and he's
my teammate.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Yeah, listen, I don't blame him one bit. I really don't.
I would be completely affected as well. All right, let's
take a quick too. We'll come right back. Fellas, I
gotta tell you a story about Buddy mine. We're talking
about college football and the madness that's going on to
college football.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
It's just wild, man, It's complete chaos.

Speaker 6 (01:14:08):
Media days are here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Yeah, it's it's pretty awesome. I'm pumped up for it.
Where the Fellas hanging right here at Fox Sports Radio.
Fellas Jason fits Kevin figures, I'm Anthony Gargano. College football

(01:14:29):
around the corner. I gotta tell you one thing, I
enjoy the h I love the news conferences, like the
media days because it's like it's like the first.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Sign that it's back. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
The college football media days, the conference media days are
always a big deal.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
Well you always get these, uh I don't how funny
is the word, but interesting comments a lot of figures
as well, whether it's certain head coaches talking about how
many drinks they've had and whether it's not that big
of a deal, or quarterback saying, you know what for
five win teams, you know what every scene think says,
we're there a super Bowl. That's Shador Sanders by the way,
at Big twelve Media Day of saying that Colorado is

(01:15:16):
a super Bowl on everybody's schedule.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
I have to I have a We could talk for
half an hour on the stupidity of Gundy's statement. Right,
well we get to that. I have to say with Shador,
the thing that really bothered me about all of that
when he says, oh, man, there's a target on me,
there's a target on us. He never acknowledges the why
why is there a target on Shador? Because his dad
won't stop running his mouth and there is some level

(01:15:41):
of like We didn't sit here have any sympathy for
the Ball brothers when they came out, because we knew
that the reason the Ball brothers weren't under all of
that was because of their dad. Right, Like, we didn't
sit there and do that and don't do that with
most sons of athletes, like Marvin Harrison Junior. Wasn't suddenly,
oh my god, he's going to be like what is
this was the opposite. Marvin Harrison Junior came in and

(01:16:02):
it was like, man, his dad's Marvin Harrison. How good
is he going to be? That's what we usually do
with the children of former NFL superstars. We didn't do
it with this one because his dad won't stop running
his mouth. So, if you're gonna sit in front of
a mic and tell me that there's a target on
your back and that everybody approaches your team like it's
a super Bowl and it's making your life difficult in
some ways, look at your pops at Thanksgiving and say, hey, dad,

(01:16:24):
stop running your damn mouth, because that would stop some of.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
This, Although it also adds to the mystique like again,
you run, he runs. He creates this big title wave
and you know, like you got to embrace that, right,
Embrace it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Embrace the fact that everybody wants to beat.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Your ass, right like, embrace that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
I mean, that's the otherwise you don't matter. Otherwise it's
just another you know, you're just another you know, bottom
hand half, bottom division team.

Speaker 5 (01:17:01):
You're yeah, well, well, ultimately the results have to show
on the field too, because then you're just you're just yelling.
You're old man yelling at cloud or yelling into the ether,
and no one's listening. Say I'm the greatest. I like, bro,
you won four games again this year? What are you like?
But what does that mean? You just you're just all talk.
You're a blowhard at that point. And I loved Yann
and I don't necessarily mind that the brashes and the confidence.

(01:17:22):
If he's able to back it up on the field
when he played, let's see if he can turn translate
that over to coaching in Colorado.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
The hard part about that for any coach is that
when you're playing, you can back it up because it's
you that has to do it. When you're a coach,
that's a much different world. And look, I just I
think there was a viral video of one OF's teammates
yelling at him a few days ago, and I look
at all this stuff and I'm like, man, it just
feels like, uh, one of his one of his teammates

(01:17:53):
was yelling at him about, you know, being being full
of it. Basically I have to find the video on
Twitter again, but like it was during some sort of
a little practice thing that they were doing. And to me,
I just look at all of this, I think, man,
the amount of smoke that's out there. It concerns me.
You know, at some point you can talk all the
talk you want, you know, just because he put out
music the other day, I'm thinking of him. But like,

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if you go to early two thousands eminem, he could
say whatever he wanted to everybody because he was so
damn good, nobody was going to say a single thing
back to him. He could walk into award shows and
for the with the very people he's trashing on records,
and people still respected it because he was so good
at what he did. Shideor Sanders is not the current
eminem of quarterbacks in college football. Like he's not that good.

(01:18:36):
So he's just not at that level where he can
get away with it. It bothers the heck out of me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Yeah, I got I got you. I guess I always
look at it like at some point, you know what
happens like you know, you just get force fed that
medicine the other issue, and you say it is the
sport itself. There their trenches were just weak. Yeah, well

(01:19:06):
and they I mean that's what that's where he struggled building.

Speaker 5 (01:19:09):
Yeah, because Schrdor was productive, to say the list when
he had time to throw early in the season and
then he just got you know, was just running for
his life and got torn down towards the end. They did,
you know, get some good recruits and got some transfers
in on the offensive line.

Speaker 6 (01:19:20):
And Dion did say a media day that one of
the things that they want.

Speaker 5 (01:19:23):
He said they handled the skills first, and then this
past offseason they wanted to fortify the offensive and defensive lines.
So it's from a recruiting and transfer standpoint, they certainly
have whether that transfers over into the field, the left
to wait and see.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Yeah, and make no mistake, and we'll get into this
next hour. But the portal, the how you're building college teams,
it's it's all so different now, it's completely wild and
now you can't, you know, you have to almost look

(01:19:57):
at it like you're building and NFL team. In fact,
a buddy of mine, this Jake Rosenberg, who used to
be Howie Roaseman's number two with the Eagles, left the
Eagles to basically, in fact, he just signed the Oklahoma
to be one of his first clients to look at
these programs like NFL teams.

Speaker 6 (01:20:20):
He's basically their general manager, right, that's the role.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Right, So he's really consulting Oklahoma and showing him how
to do it. But we'll go it's really so interesting.
We'll talk about it. Fellas hanging out right here. Fox
Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
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We're we're talking some football this hour, college foot ball.
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lot of fun. This week the game comes out. We
talked about a little bit last week, but this week,
on the eighteenth, we will get College Football twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Dude, ea, college Football twenty five. I cannot wait.

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
Can I be a grown adult and just, like, you know,
skip work for a couple of days? I mean yeah,
kind of just sit around because I feel like that's
the inevitability that's gonna happen. Like I I'm gonna need
to just you know, basically to part the world and
spend time doing nothing but playing video games like your
grown man.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
I love it, dude, I love it. I think you
should do it. I think you should come down in
my uh in my new studio. We have a gamings
uh section. It's like this big warehouse in Philadelphia, right,
So we have the whole top floor, so we have

(01:22:26):
three studios and offices and stuff. But we got like
it's like a clubhouse. We got a wall TVs and
then we got all of our systems and so.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
We're already already, we pre ordered it. We can't wait
for it. We're we're and so we're.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Gonna have everybody doing their shows and then we're gonna
have big tournaments going on, so you should come down
here and hang with us.

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
That's I'll have you come in.

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
That's what I think this game is bringing that a
lot of people don't necessarily understand. It's not just about
the fact that it's like, Okay, there's a video game
coming out. It's about the community aspect that's going to
come around this video game because so many people want
to play it and play it together. I just I
think everyone's been clamoring for this experience of not just
the game, but the camaraderie that's gonna come with it.

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That's why it's gonna be so magical.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Yeah you kidding me? Are you figuring?

Speaker 9 (01:23:22):
Not?

Speaker 6 (01:23:22):
Really?

Speaker 5 (01:23:23):
To be honest with you, not as much as I
used to be, Not as much as I used to be.
The problem is, and I think I've discussed this with
FITSY in the past. You know, it had been gone
for so long. I've kind of transitioned out of like
the gaming portion of my life at this point in time.
So it's not I don't even have a system that
I can even play the game on at this point
in time. As part of the issue, So look, if
I'm hanging out and someone has the game, I'll fire

(01:23:43):
it up and I'll play, for sure, But while I
go out of my way to make sure that I
purchased the system, purchase the game, and spend hours on
end playing it like I used two years ago, I
don't think so.

Speaker 6 (01:23:52):
Look, I've seen the trailers. It looks amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:23:56):
The amount of work and effort they've put into this
to make this as realistic as possible is is unbelievable.

Speaker 6 (01:24:02):
It really is.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:24:03):
But unfortunately for me, I feel like that that part
of that portion of my life is sort of behind me.
And had the game continue to be churned out from
twenty twelve on or whenever, whenever it was discontinued, maybe
I never would have lost it. But I feel like
from the from the gaming standpoint of it, I've kind
of that I've kind of lost the flame a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Now. Is that because you haven't you born? No, He's
a big part of.

Speaker 5 (01:24:28):
It to I mean, I mean, look, I can't say
that that's not a factor, but I mean I haven't.
I haven't really fired a video games much in a decade,
to be honest. It's just not something that that I
just do. To be honest with you, so it's not
not a way that I kill time these days.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Well, I think part of it too is, you know,
you get older, you're you're married, you're doing something, you
have responsibilities.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
The timing is is hard.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Like fits, he goes, Man, I got to blow off work,
I you know, I and when I'm lucky enough that
I can incorporate.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
It with work.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Sure, So absolutely, so we're gonna we're gonna well, well,
we're going to pump out all kinds of videos from
the game and all the whole staff playing the game,
so we're gonna incorporate it part of the business.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
But I mean, like I'll be honest with you, I
can't wait to play it. I can't wait to see
it and experience it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
And it's coming out the perfect time because it just
nothing's gonna wet your whistle more than that for college football.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
Yeah, And I think the other part for Figgy's point, like, look,
I don't play mad in anywhere the way I used to.
So then you got to accept the fact that if
you're getting it. And I've said this before, but I
think a lot of us are gonna have to go
back to like haven't played in a minute mode like
it's humbling when you used to be really good at
something and now you're gonna have to go through the
tutorial to relearn how to play it. But even some

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of the highlights I've seen, I'm like, yeah, I have
no idea how that's gonna work. Like my hand's gonna
have to learn this game, which is gonna take a
weird adjustment period. So you know, I think that in
that sense, it's almost better to play with a bunch
of like skilled people in the beginning, so you're all
figuring it out together and you're not getting your butt
kicked by you know, a twelve year old online out
of the gates, because like, otherwise I could see that

(01:26:15):
getting ugly quick.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
Yeah yeah, I'll drive you back of your retirement.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
One hundred percent. You're like, you know what, I tried
it for a day. I'm out, but it was fun.
It was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:26:27):
Yeah, Well, I will say back in the day, when
I have more time in my hands, when you could like,
you know, play against people online, and if that did happen,
you say, oh, hell no, I'm grind and I'm going
to the detri I'm learning to this.

Speaker 5 (01:26:38):
I'm gonna face you know, whoever, this is a longhorned
John seventy five five.

Speaker 6 (01:26:43):
I'm gonna find you again. I'm gonna come back and
kick you ass.

Speaker 5 (01:26:46):
I don't have time for that now anymore, like, nor
do I care as much anymore for that sort of thing.
Uh So, it might just be a change in mindset
to a certain degree when it comes to that for.

Speaker 6 (01:26:57):
Me too, more than anything else.

Speaker 11 (01:26:58):
Have you guys been following any of the releases of
the player ratings kind of you know, filtering out little
by little.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Yeah, last week we talked how about it, We talked
a lot about it with got a rabbit hole last
week we did a.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
I mean it was four July and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
But we were we were we went down a complete
rabbit hole with uh where to where we would want
to play, and because they did the atmosphere rankings and
we were surprised at how it all turned out, so
we wound up going into geek mode.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
But I don't want to.

Speaker 6 (01:27:35):
Rewind the clock too much.

Speaker 5 (01:27:36):
But what what was deemed to be the toughest environment
because I'm not aware.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
They had Texas A and m as the toughest environment, really,
which yet that's exactly what was you know, it's like, okay,
that seems a little seemed a little off to us,
but yeah, and we so we broke it down by conference.
We went conference by conference figure out where we thought
the best environments lived nice.

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
Who would you have said, Kevin, Uh, probably probably Death Valley,
to be honest, that was our consensus.

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
Yeah, we did rankings. It got very heated. There was
a lot of voting. None of my none of my
tops kept making I kept feeling that I was being
wronged in this process. But you know, we came, we
came to a list that none of us could sport.
You know, it's fine, that's exactly the way supposed.

Speaker 5 (01:28:23):
I'm guessing the Red feel that at Eastern Washington didn't
make the cut.

Speaker 6 (01:28:27):
But it's all right.

Speaker 4 (01:28:27):
It did not. No, it didn't even make the combo.

Speaker 5 (01:28:31):
I'm gonna be honest, but unbelievable to see what happens.
I leave for a week and stuff like this happens.
It's unreal, to be fair.

Speaker 11 (01:28:38):
Not even Georgia made our rankings, which is kind of
a bit of a snub.

Speaker 5 (01:28:43):
It was a little bit, but I don't know, it's
great as good as Georgia has been recently. I don't
necessarily look at it as like, oh my god, people
are really afraid to go into Georgia, you know what
I mean? Just historically generally speaking, I don't see it
as a real vaunted, you know, environment for people to
go into.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
No, you're right, I mean just for people. Just let
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
It was a and m Alabama was two, LSU three,
Ohio State four.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Georgia got the fifth highest ranking on the game.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
State Wisconsin, Here you go, you ready, Penn State, Wisconsin, Oklahoma,
Florida State, Florida, Oregon, Clemson, Tennessee, Auburn, South Carolina.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
And coming in at sixteen, Michigan.

Speaker 6 (01:29:40):
South Carolina's before Michigan.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
Yeah, is val you ready for this? This is the game?
Virginia Tech seventeen, Utah eighteen, Texas nineteen, Kinnick and Iowa
twenty and then notre game twenty one.

Speaker 6 (01:29:58):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
In the days behind Kennick, right, yeah, we we we
had some real questions about I think part of that
is just to fire people up.

Speaker 6 (01:30:08):
Yeah, I feel that's that's where I was gonna go.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
Face.

Speaker 5 (01:30:10):
I say, they literally they did this on purpose because
they knew you would do this. They knew you dedicate
four hours of your show last week to talking about
it smart marketing on their.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
Point, we literally did you know? It was I'm not
gonna lie. It was a delight. We went, we went
in conference by conference. We definitely, yeah, we we lived there.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
I loved it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:29):
Right, that's great. I'm sorry I missed it. That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Somebody took a shot after it at it's about really
yeah about like, oh uh, you know, four hours of
litched radio.

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
I'm like he wanted to talk about in July fourth weekend,
we missed all that great hot dog eating contest. We
were supposed.

Speaker 6 (01:30:48):
To put the Reds and Marlins.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
My bad.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
It really wasn't like Listy as much as it was
like an homage to Kyle was excuse to basically talk
Collin's football for four hours, Right, I'd celebrate the pageantry
of college football talking about what these places were, like,
like you got you know fits, He's been everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
I've been everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Like it's it's fun to be able to kind of
compare notes about what you experienced. I think the sports
travel thing is so interesting to me, Like I I
you know, I implore people to go on the road
and see this stuff. If you can like to put
your vacations around it because it's so much fun.

Speaker 5 (01:31:34):
It's so rewarding, like other than like an international soccer match.
I think the next best when you talk about just
the feeling the emotion of a home crowd is college
football in certain places where you just you feel it
just rumbling through you. Whether it's at I don't remember,
did you say Jordan Harre was on that list? Hopefully

(01:31:55):
it was, yeah, yeah, somewhere, Okay, I'm I mean places
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
Fourteen.

Speaker 6 (01:32:03):
I feel like that's probably pretty low, but neither here
nor there.

Speaker 5 (01:32:05):
And then there's some like Neeland's on there, Like I
feel like in fits you can speak to this when
Tennessee is good. There's a few places that rock as
much much as neland does. Yeah, but Tennessee it was thirteen.

Speaker 4 (01:32:16):
You know, Yeah, I gave Neeland a high ranking simply
because you know, Rocky tops annoying and ripping the goalposts
out and taking him down to the river and throwing
it into the water after the Alabama wind was pretty like.
But you're right, there was a period of several years
where it was questionable at best.

Speaker 6 (01:32:35):
Yeah, but that sounds like a fun conversation Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
I loved Neil and I got to do one of
my favorite things I got to do was go to
class with Peyton, with Manning. I spent I spent ten
almost almost eleven days down there, and to do a piece.
I did a big game. I covered the game, but
I was also working on a big piece on Manning.

(01:33:00):
And so I went to the class with Peyton, followed
them around campus and my I loved being on that campus.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
That campus was amazing, man. And you know, again, this
is this is vintage Tennessee Valas, right, yeah, right, this
is nineties and yeah, Peyton and the whole thing, and
it was I mean, it was wild. It was a
great scene, man, great great place to like just that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
I remember looking being in that checkered end zone and
just looking up and going wow, you know, in the
shadows of the smoky mountains like you were.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
It felt like football, man.

Speaker 5 (01:33:40):
And those are the environments, those are the kind of
things that you get in college football that as much
as we love the NFL, it just can't replicate, right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Right, It's so cultural, right, It's like how we love
the game.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
The culture is a big part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Now, speaking of college football, the it's so inches. I
was telling you a story about buddy of my Jake Rosenmark.
He's he was the number two behind Howie Roseman for
a long time as the GM assistant GM in Philadelphia.
He left the Eagles to do his own consulting with

(01:34:19):
college football, big brand college football effect.

Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
He just signed Oklahoma to be one of his clients.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
So he'll go down and he'll really kind of reshape
these schools into front offices because you know nowadays, and
I've just had this discussion with the father, another football father.
The way the whole thing's going is the portal is everything,

(01:34:52):
and the portal is like your free agent pool. As
much as you'll recruit, and that will still happen, you're
gonna you're going to fill more needs, especially older teams,
especially the bigger schools.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
The bigger programs are going.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
To be like really looking at the portal to fill
their needs a lieu of recruiting high school. In fact,
one of the I was talking about the football dad
and the prep school, like the senior year prep school
when you're nineteen years old is the new thing now

(01:35:28):
that you go to this prep school way station before
you go to play college football.

Speaker 4 (01:35:37):
But what you're saying about the transfer portal and the
way it's used for recruiting to speaks to why every
single person right now that's college football fan that screams about, well,
the new era, of the new era. I want schools.
I want my favorite school, whoever that is, to look
at the new era and figure out how to capitalize
on it. I want them to bring in a consultant.
I want them to hire a scouting firm that scouts

(01:36:00):
every kid in college football so that they're ready for everything,
just like there's a pro scouting department for every NFL team.
I want separate divisions of my college football team, one
that looks at high school, one that looks at college.
I want a college that smartly institutes a name, image,
likeness major that allows other kids that want to become
sports lawyers and marketing managers to work with athletes so
that they can start to find a way to monetize

(01:36:22):
together and everybody can learn the skill. I want these
kids to actually have the opportunity to thrive in what
they want to do so that they can get the
education in, for example, you know, coaching and breaking down
film and working in other ways in the industry. There
are so many things that schools could stop now rebuild
and build this mountain up, this castle up in a

(01:36:42):
way that would not only help the kids, but also
help the future of their football program. Stop telling me
why you can't compete, and start telling me what you're
doing to figure out how you can compete, because it's
a very clear path in the modern culture. It takes money,
it takes time, it takes resources, and it takes forward thinking.
If your favorite football team can't do that, it's not

(01:37:02):
shame on the players, it's shame on that team.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Yeah, except there is a ton of.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
So I sat with one of these people that is
doing that at a very big, big school, right, big program.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
It's wild, right like.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
So let's call it university. A university X was looking
at a quarterback, right, and so the entertaining three different quarterbacks.
One was in various stages of their career, right, one
had one year of eligibility left, another one had two

(01:37:45):
years left, and another one was an incoming freshman. And
it was so very highly talented, sought after, and they're
negotiating with the incoming freshman who it's a number, and
the number is pretty outrageous, Like the number is close

(01:38:07):
to five a year, five million a year, right, which is,
by the way, is guaranteed. Then you have so you
have this whole negotiation going on, and in the negotiation,
not with the football guy, is the people that handle
the nil money, right, who are actually paying this the

(01:38:31):
free So you have this organization that is usually run
by a trustee of a family, all right, and it's
usually one or two maybe three different very very wealthy
people without wealthy families, and they have to sign off

(01:38:52):
on everything. Like as the negotiation is happening with a quarterback,
the I who oversees the money is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
Nodding, like that's for real, for real stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:39:10):
Well, and what's gonna become interesting to me over the
course of the next ten years is as this grows
and grows and grows. Everybody tells me there's no need
for return on investment. But eventually if you start paying
you know whatever, eighty kids on that are on scholarship
and average of a million dollars a year across the board.

(01:39:32):
If that's that's eighty million dollars out the door every
single year for a football team, Like I understand that.
Everybody says, well, the money never runs out. But in
my mind, at some point even rich people need to
see a return on investment. Like watching your team when
a championship is nice, But over the course of ten years,
can those people turn around and spend eight hundred million
dollars to try and get to that championship? And also

(01:39:54):
the facilities and also the coaching staffs, like you're gonna
talk about needing collectives to raise billions of dollars, And
that's I genuinely wonder. Right now, it's great, but I
genuinely wonder in five or ten years, when a bunch
of these kids have transferred they didn't work out, you
realize that the five million dollars may only buy you
a backup. The money that's being spent doesn't really actually return.

(01:40:17):
Sometimes that money's gonna become public and then when a
player doesn't work out, our fans gonna turn around and
rip the person that helped bring that money in. Like
all of these different negatives, I just wonder if some
of it normalizes over the course of the next five
to ten years.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
Well, the other issue is you're gonna have.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
Like so you have the how the all the money,
the athletic money, is allocated, right, So they have Title
nine there is you know, like all of a sudden,
like it's going to affect soccer in a big way.
I guess they the roster size is going to get
cut dramatically. I think they could carry you like fifty
five kids and that's not gonna get slashed. So how

(01:40:57):
the money's allocated, right, is gonna be a big deal.
And they know this, right that at some point a
football player is going to file a suit and say, well,
wait a second, why should we get paid equal to
pick any other sport when we're the ones bringing in
all the revenue right, like football is bringing all the

(01:41:20):
revenue in for everything, So should you be get paid
commensurate to what the revenue is being generated? So they
know this, and they know that's at some point some
football players is going to file suit and saying that's
not fair.

Speaker 5 (01:41:37):
Isn't this all just kind of gearing towards these guys
being professionals and unionizing at a certain point, no matter
how they try to.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Fight screw you, I don't well, it's yes, you're right
and and and like their needs like, at some point,
I don't know how you avoid that.

Speaker 5 (01:41:58):
Yeah, I mean the money is going to be so
great for football to you're to your point especially, and
they're gonna have to allocate so many and so much
of their athletic department funds to football players and maybe
basketball players.

Speaker 6 (01:42:09):
They're the revenue generating sports.

Speaker 5 (01:42:11):
I mean, you're basically gonna have universities that have no
athletic program outside of those two because they can't.

Speaker 6 (01:42:16):
They said, we can't afford it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
All that thought, because that's exactly what I wanted to
bring up next from what I heard that that's the
next trickle down where the Fellas as we hang out
on a Fox Sports Saturday alright, seven thirty across the
East for thirty in the West on a Saturday morning,

(01:42:41):
July the thirteenth, of Fellas.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
Jason Fitzkevin figures on Anthi Arganda.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
We're talking to college football, the landscape which is changing
so dramatically.

Speaker 4 (01:42:51):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
We talk about the conferences, right, and then the Pac
twelve just kind of disappearing before our eyes. All the
movement and the big schools going to these foreign conferences.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
That alone is a shake up, but the business and
the actual.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
How it all happens in college football is completely upside down.
It's completely wild and it feels like it's the wild West, lawless, and.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
They are rules.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
There are no rules, and I think they're trying to
adapt to this, and so they're all trying to figure out,
all right, what's the pro model. So having a general
manager or a personnel guy that understands the landscape on
how to build a football team to challenge.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
Again, you're talking.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
About basically five years, right, So you're recruiting every year,
you're looking at these five year windows, you're right, or
you're trying to reach your player.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
So the portal is a bit big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
And then the prep school is a big deal because
it's just another way to get maturity for kids. You know,
it's so interesting, like this stuff happens at the youth level, right,
So the big deal now is reclassification for these kids. So,
like I think I told you guys last year, we

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were when my anthe was in eighth grade, we were
playing a team and I walk over the field and
these kids are like my size. All right, They're driving
to the game and I'm going, oh my god, what's
the deal? And they're all reclassified instead of being the
anthey was like thirteen at the time. You know, these

(01:44:47):
kids were like fifteen and sixteen who were eighth but
that reclassification is the big deal. So they want them older,
more mature to play. And college football is no different
to the NFL. So now the NFL guys are getting
kids that are twenty five and twenty six.

Speaker 4 (01:45:05):
That's a really important part of this conversation too, because
as we talked about last week, and I was just
in Jacksonville a few weeks ago for Rivals five Star
camp and more and more we see these high school
kids are in the business of football right, So part
of this is they are older. We need to remember
that guys are going to get into the league older
because of all of this, which also means they're gonna

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have less time when they're there for NFL squads. It
means you better be better than draft greater drafting. Then
you better be better than you've bet at drafting, I
should say, for years, because if we're being real, you're
gonna have less contract cycles if it works out. So
like the age change, I think it's pretty substantial and
we're gonna only see more of it over the next
few years. And so much of it is just about

(01:45:47):
the fact that there are millions of dollars at stake,
and that's the biggest difference, like the college football level
at this point. And I know we had a coach
last week saying that his quarterback was wooed by another
school for six hundred k a year. Peple freaked out, like, y'all,
I'm here to tell you, six hundred k is about
backup money for a lot of places. Now for a
kid to go into place, six hundred k is I

(01:46:09):
mean that that's a lot of money. To all of
us listening, six hundred k is nowhere near what some
of these kids were getting offer wise that I was
around in Jacksonville. So it's just it's a reminder that
the money is real and now all of a sudden,
as a parent, if you can reclassify your kid and
you think that that means they have a better chance
of making a million dollars, you're gonna do it every
single time.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
Yes, Because here's here's what the opportunity also opens up
is that it used to be like all right, well,
you know, one, I don't use to the numbers for it.
The numbers one percent right of all players are gonna
get to the NFL well, now, if you're talking about
the division and football and that helps widen the field.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
And if you could actually get paid to play football,
well are.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
You actually it's actually somewhat attainable, right, if you have
an athletic kid who works, who's got su size to them, well,
now it's attainable. You may not be playing at you know,
Oregon or playing at Alabama, but you know, if you're
playing at Cincinnati, you're getting to check and an education.

Speaker 5 (01:47:21):
Could also transfer up. Because what's gonna end up happening
is your non power five schools. And this has already
started happening recently.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
You know where it's happening.

Speaker 6 (01:47:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:47:29):
Basically it was like they're gonna be treated like community
colleges was treated. Correct, So who's going to play a
community college? I have no idea, but basically, the non
power of five kids are going to be transferring out
of your smaller schools and going to your Michigan or
Ohio states after getting bigger, getting stronger, uh, and they're
gonna be able to basically double downs like all right,
well I made five K at whatever school Utah State, Well,

(01:47:52):
now I'm gonna transfer to Utah and I'm gonna make
five hundred K. I'm a better player now than I
was two years ago because I wasn't being recruited. But
now that I now, I am being recruited by the
bigger schools because they see what kind of player that
I've turned into.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
And what happens is they're I'm sorry real quick. Then
what happens is the Michigans and all those big Power
five schools are you are looking to pill for those
schools instead of recruiting.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
At a high school. Correct? Correct?

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
And that changes the other aspect of, Hey, the college
experience going to one school and playing for four or
five years, and now it's you know, jump around, jump around.

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
I think part of that too. Yeah, well done, camp rat.
But when you say that, what we have to remember
is that there's going to be a ton of programs
that look around and say, hey, I'd rather recruit somebody
I'm already watching play college ball because I have a
good idea of how that skill set's going to translate.
Like that, you have way less variables, and you know, Cousin,
you mentioned earlier how much more opportunity there is for earning,

(01:48:51):
so I googled it. There are around two thousand players
in the NFL Players Association on any given year, around
two thousand players total. That's the totality of everything. The
number of scholarship athletes in Division IE playing college football
this year are sixteen thousand, six hundred and seventy one.
So that's this year loan sixteen thousand. Like there's two

(01:49:12):
thousand total in the entire career right now of the NFLPAH,
you got all different years. There's sixteen thousand kids every
single year playing college football that are on scholarship. So
that's so much more opportunity for earning. You're if you're
a kid that might not be ever sniff the league,
you're never going to get to that point. Now you
can still bring home a little bit of cash for

(01:49:33):
all the work that you've done. I think that's a
beautiful thing. But schools have to figure out how to
navigate it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:39):
No, and it is a beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
Like again, I'm looking at my aunt right he's just
coming down and feeding the dogs, and I'm thinking to myself.

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
Hey, you know he's got a little size.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
He keeps working hard, he keeps lifting, he keeps slept,
but he might have a chance to go play college football.
What money in his pocket while he's getting an education?
What to start on life? That is, instead of leaving
school riddled with you know, debt. Right, you get out of.

Speaker 3 (01:50:11):
School, you got money in a bag and an education
to hit the workforce.

Speaker 4 (01:50:17):
Yeah, I mean, And this is going to come back
to a core principle I say all the time. Shouldn't
our objective be that the next generation have it better
than this generation every single time? So for anybody that
sits there, Like when we all grew up with the
jokes about well, I walked up hill both ways to
school with no shoes, like all the things that our
parents said about how tough it was. Okay, I think

(01:50:37):
one thing we've realized is it's just because it was
tough for us in different spots doesn't mean that it
needs to be tough in the same places, in the
same ways for the kids that are grown up. Like
if there's a chance for college athletes today to walk
out of school with the free education and money in
their pocket, knowing that, by the way, not for nothing,
they might walk out with hip issues and knee issues

(01:50:58):
and back issues and brain issues and all these other
things that come with it. For the rest of their lives.
Like if they get a little cash for all that
they put on the line, I think that's absolutely incredible.
What's complicated about, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
Real quick?

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
And just to add this a addentum to that, and
the fact that they're providing entertainment for the masses, right,
they're like the television aspect, all they're doing is getting
rewarded for what they should be getting rewarded because we
love the sport, we consume the sport, and all that money,
those wealthy, wealthy TV deals, all right, that's just what's right,

(01:51:34):
that's all.

Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
That is well. And also that's those huge TV moments
where they're giving us entertainment. They're also advertising for their school.
And for anyone that's never looked up the data, look
up the change and enrollment for a team that wins
a national championship, there's actual money that's made by schools
by being good at certain sports. That's real, that's been tested,

(01:51:55):
that's been figured out. So like there's a tangible value
for Alabama not just because of the TV money, but
because more people go to Alabama because their football program
is good every year. So giving a kid a cut
of that is amazing. It just is about to get
really complicated, because you can't everything that the college football
faces right now is their own fault because the NCAA

(01:52:17):
never did anything. Now, how do you get kids from
all over the country to unionize, which is probably what
needs to happen, but is wildly difficult to do. What
are they going to do with health insurance? And now
that Supreme Court has come out with the ruling that
they should be handled as employees, what are they doing
with workers comp? And I know people don't even think
about that, but all I would say is that I

(01:52:38):
went to a seminar to help a buddy that's an
NFL agent, and he spent the first several hours of
the seminar talking to his existing players about the importance
of folowing the correct workers' comp claims at the correct
times for their respective teams, Like this is real for
the rest of their lives. Those are issues that college
football players don't have to think about that they're now going.

Speaker 3 (01:52:56):
To Yeah, that's fast.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
I know a guy that has an insurance, big sports
insurance business in Minnesota, and his next thing is now
going into its all youth sports, and now it's the
college game.

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
Because this is when you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
All those little things that you don't even think about,
from the ad, from the individual players standpoint now come
into play when it's just, hey, we're getting an education,
right like before it was like you've got scholarship and
this is what it is. Now it's completely different and

(01:53:37):
it should be different. And what needs to happen is
they just need to create a new system, right like
you got to have someone come in and I don't
know whether it's you know you want you you probably
don't want Congress, but you might need it to come
in and put forth a system for the whole thing,

(01:53:58):
because that's what it's crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:54:00):
It needs a commissioner. Yes, college football needs a commissioner.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, hold the thought. We'll get right
back to it. Fellas Fox Sports Radio. Fellas hanging out
on a July Saturday. It's a uh it's a great story, man. Uh,
this is what's happening. Like this college football thing is

(01:54:26):
it's wild, right, Like so you said it before we
paid some bills, which is the sport needs commissioner and
you need you like it needs a lot of It
needs to create its own system, right because like to
your point, the portal itself is a free agent pool.

(01:54:48):
So you're basically talking about, you know, recurring free agency.
What rights do the university have if you sign a
guarantee like I believe in you, You're gonna be my cornerback,
and I'm want to pay you X amount of dollars.
Now you outperform and you become one of the best

(01:55:09):
corners of the country, and now Alabama wants you, Well,
what's my recourse for building you?

Speaker 3 (01:55:16):
Does Alabama owe me money?

Speaker 9 (01:55:19):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:55:20):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
Like you know how it goes in soccer right where
you buy players off of other other teams?

Speaker 3 (01:55:27):
How does that work?

Speaker 4 (01:55:29):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
When when does the one smaller school say, where's my compensation?

Speaker 4 (01:55:36):
Also, I don't I mean, that's a wild answer, and
I could totally see buyouts becoming a part of everything
that has to happen. I also am curious if you're
someone that was part of the collective to put together
the massive offer for Arch Manning and Arch sits year
one and Arch sits here two because Quinn Uwers plays

(01:55:56):
really well. Then Arts comes out his junior year at
that point or they red shirting, maybe sophomore that way,
but he comes out and absolutely crushes it his first
season then goes into the draft. If you are part
of the collective that reportedly put up over fifteen million
dollars to get arts to Texas, was that worth it?

(01:56:16):
Like that one season football? That's the other weird part
about all of this, because you said earlier like, once
that money spent, it's spent, and so I just don't
know how sustainable that portion of the model is.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
Yeah, it's a great question because but you know they're
going to say, hey, well my quarterback, like it was
pretty the circumstance of going behind Huers. Well, I think
what will happen is you'll see more quote unquote, I'm
using the term lightly franchise quarterbacks right, like, well, they'll

(01:56:55):
be in search of the franchise quarterback who will start
right away.

Speaker 3 (01:56:59):
Yep. This way you maximize the investment dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:57:06):
Yeah, because if you only have three years with the kid,
you can't have him sit too, you know. And sure
we'd love a concept where we get four years with
the kid, but especially if it's a reclassified kid that's
maybe older coming in and then all of a sudden
he you know, he wants to get to the league
to start earning as quickly as possible. I mean, most
of these quarterbacks, if they do what they intend to do,

(01:57:26):
are going to think about coming out after their junior year.
There's there's just there's money at stakes, so you know,
and I think nil in some ways helps other positions.
I think if you're the best running back in college football,
you might be able to make more money staying in
school than you would make being drafted in the fourth
round and start in that process.

Speaker 3 (01:57:44):
You know, Oh, that's a great point.

Speaker 2 (01:57:47):
The running back is way more valuable in college than
it is in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:57:54):
I mean, if you're a fourth round pick that's going
to make a few million dollars up front, you want
to get to that second contract quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:57:59):
I get that.

Speaker 4 (01:58:00):
But if you're also a running back at Texas and
all of a sudden they really want you to stick around,
and you might be making more in that last year
that you stayed in Texas than you'll make on your
entire rookie deal, and you know that the NFL is
hesitant to give out second is you gotta take the
money when you can get the money if it's actual.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
Yeah, running backs, you're right, it's a great point.

Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
And running backs will want to stay in school longer
instead of going and getting devalue in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:58:30):
I wonder about what happens to fat boys too, Like
do offensive lineman take the same approach?

Speaker 2 (01:58:34):
I don't know, Like when you think about it in
those terms, it's pretty wild, right, Like this is this
is our biggest sport, the sport that we love in
this country the most. And the NFL will be affected,
make no mistake by whatever college football becomes the NFL. Well,

(01:59:01):
you know there'll be consequences good or bad or you know,
or both with the league.

Speaker 4 (01:59:09):
Yeah, and the league's gonna have to adjust everything. The
good for the league is there's less speculation on a
lot of guys because they will be older. The bad
for the league is that you'll have more guys that
have jumped from place to place to place to play.
Have they been as developed? Are they as like? Physically
they might be more ready, but mentally are they like?

(01:59:29):
These are all of the extra things that the league's
gonna have to adjust. And the funny thing to me
is we've never heard the NFL once come out. NFL
side is not complaining about any of this and how
it changes their world, even though there's impact to it.
They're like, all right, well, so what now, let's figure
it out. So, you know, college football is sitting there
in the wild wild West, which impacts the NFL. I'm
surprised that the NFL isn't even acknowledging that it changes

(01:59:52):
their world. But they just don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:59:54):
No, no, they don't care. It's uh, it's so nuts.

Speaker 2 (02:00:02):
It really is, like how the whole thing will play
out and what will affect basketball? Like will basketball be
helped college basketball by kids staying in school? Like when
we come back, let's take a look at it from
other sports vantage points, Like, you know, I could see

(02:00:24):
a world where a world where college basketball gets pumped up.
Fellas hanging Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (02:00:33):
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Speaker 2 (02:00:36):
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(02:01:13):
history to college football and rewriting history and rewriting how
the sport is made and how the sport rolls. In fact,
we've been a fun conversation, really interesting conversation. My man
Chucky Southside Chuck is like, hey, don't forget. Schools will

(02:01:36):
also have to come up with the.

Speaker 3 (02:01:37):
Settlement money every year to pay past and present athletes. Remember,
the athletes of the recent past will also all be
getting paid. So how the whole thing winds up? Now,
what will it be?

Speaker 2 (02:01:52):
Will it make for a better product? So let me
ask you, guys, will it make for a that are
basketball product? Well, one of the issues that we just
saw play out with the NBA draft is that nobody
knows the kids, right, Like, you don't know that the
forget the Euros for a second, but the ones, the

(02:02:15):
college kids, unless you just dive int the way, most
people don't know them. And they're coming out and there's
such a crapshoot that they're coming out as half bake pies.

Speaker 3 (02:02:27):
You know, well they fully bake in the league. You
don't know. So I have to believe that this system
should benefit.

Speaker 2 (02:02:38):
College basketball could benefit a big way because now all
of a sudden, the incentive is to stay in school
and you'll be able to enjoy kind of these teams
growing together.

Speaker 4 (02:02:51):
So I was hanging out with Vinnie Goodwill recently, who
covers the NBA for Yahoo, and I asked him how
important Cooper Flag is, the phenom that we've all heard
about that's committed to Duke and that everybody knows is
just kicking Team USA's butt, right, And how important is

(02:03:11):
he to the future of college basketball?

Speaker 3 (02:03:13):
Was my question?

Speaker 4 (02:03:13):
And then he said, you're thinking too small. He's important
in the future of all basketball because when's the last
time in America we saw homegrown, you know, all American
white kid drafted that came in and actually was the
first overall pick in the draft for what are we
talking about, Larry Bird?

Speaker 3 (02:03:28):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:03:28):
So what I immediately thought of is most of the
time Cooper would be one and done, and I'm sure
he will be because he's so great. But if Duke
really wants to keep him, they can, right. Like, the
thing that really hits me every time I think about
college basketball is if you're an Indiana fan and you're saying, man,
I'm tired. I remember when we used to be great.
You can be great now. You just got to have

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the money. You just got to be willing to put
the money in to get the right kids to come in.
And if you're willing to do that, you can turn
your team around in two seconds. I think there's power
to that end. Can you keep kids together longer? Honestly
think there's a real shot for that. I know it
sounds wild because everybody thinks, well, no, they're going to
go get that NBA money. But if you're in that

(02:04:09):
mid level where you just want to see guys grow together,
grow together, that's gonna happen now all over. When we
talk about college basketball.

Speaker 2 (02:04:17):
Well think about this two fig and FITZI, which is
if you got a kid like you have to just
say you're top five. Right, every year there's probably a
couple of just great, great players. This year were none
as far as like lock number ones. So say you

(02:04:37):
had three lottery picks that were just elite, and we're
going to grab the big NBA money. Well, there's a
whole all the world outside of those three players that
need help, that can show their skills. So go in
anywhere from seven to twenty first in the draft. You

(02:04:59):
can really improve your status. You're getting paid, so you're
getting compensated, and your game is being worked on, and
what you are at the end of year two or
year three is a much different prospect that could.

Speaker 3 (02:05:14):
Be a lock top five.

Speaker 5 (02:05:17):
Yeah, it makes all the sense in the world at
the ever changing landscape. Until By the way, another wrinkle
to add to this is the impending NBA change to
its rule where they're going to go back to allowing
high school kids to declare as well. And I think
that's ultimately going to be a good thing overall for
the college basketball product as well, because you're going to
have certain kids, like those studs that you're talking about,

(02:05:40):
the one, two three in the draft, well, they're not
gonna have to necessarily waste their time going for one
year at all at a college or a university somewhere,
knowing they can just enter and be immediately eligible and
not have to worry about the dog and pony show
that we're doing nowadays with a one and done. So
kids that go to college actually want to go to college,
and the kids that wanted to try their hand at
the NBA will go there first. I think that in

(02:06:01):
conjunction with what you're talking about, is all ultimately going
to end up improving the college game overall.

Speaker 2 (02:06:08):
If you're getting paid, you're a high school kid, you
know you're gonna get big money from a college.

Speaker 3 (02:06:15):
Why you even skip the step?

Speaker 5 (02:06:19):
Well, I guess it depends on how big the money
we're talking Is that money number the cap the money
is slotted in the NBA?

Speaker 6 (02:06:26):
Right, So you're saying, if you're a Lebron James.

Speaker 2 (02:06:29):
And is it fiscally better right for you to stay
in college and get through college money where you can?

Speaker 4 (02:06:37):
The only temptation is it you're gonna see every kid
wants to think that they can be the next I mean,
how many medium level NBA guys that we've seen get
gross level money in the last few months, you know?
So I think the one thing is the temptation. If
I could just get in the league an average four
points game, I can still get one hundred and fifty
million bucks.

Speaker 3 (02:06:58):
Yeah, but remember you still to go through your rookie
deal right right, the first couple of years. Right now,
you're you're gonna get there quicker.

Speaker 2 (02:07:07):
But who's to say you'll get there when if I'm
in college, I'm getting back. I'll take it back now,
I mean, why why? And smartly I'm getting better while
I'm doing that.

Speaker 6 (02:07:24):
Yeah, there's an element of that in there somewhere.

Speaker 5 (02:07:27):
And also there's I mean, I know there's nils and
there's collectives, and you know, I use Lebron as an example,
who had one hundred million dollars shoe deal with Nike
before he even got drafted by Cleveland. I don't know
if that's necessarily available unless you're part of a collective
or what the parameters are going to be if you're
a college kid in whether or not you can cut
that similar that same deal. And ultimately, I think there's

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gonna end up being some sort of cap placed on
this as well, because then we're just gonna have We
already have the Wild West as it is, there's always
been a have and have not for a multiple of
different reasons. But if we're going to do all of
this kids getting money and getting compensated and have it
be above board, now you just wonder if they're just
going to allow certain teams to be able who can
print money, like Texas and Ohio State to be able

(02:08:10):
to just run away with it without having any sort
of regulation right now, I know that we don't.

Speaker 6 (02:08:14):
I just want to know what the end game ultimately.

Speaker 4 (02:08:17):
Is going to be there.

Speaker 5 (02:08:19):
Yeah, for that reason, Yeah, because then what's the stop
duke or someone. I don't know if duke even as
as successful as a basketball program is, I don't know
if they have that sort of you know, money, but
from just buying the best roster they possibly can every
single year or every other year.

Speaker 4 (02:08:36):
Well, I really like right now, I don't have a
problem with that, Like there are going to be examples
where you could say that it becomes total domination and
the sport becomes disinteresting. Well, I mean, how many people
are already tuning into a February college basketball game anyway?
Even though I love the sport, I don't know how
many people do. And then, as I've said before, I
love the idea of like UNLV hasn't been relevant, truly

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relevant in basketball since the nineties when they were buying
players anyway, So now do it above board, right, like
just to just get in there, Like if you want
to have a if you're Belmont in Tennessee and you
want to go out there and win a national championship.
You probably can. You just got to raise the money.
I don't mind that friend monster like do a bake sale.
I don't care. If you want to have a prominent
college basketball team, you can now do it. I love

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the empowerment that comes with that.

Speaker 5 (02:09:23):
And by the way, even with this and things are
above board now, things will never be one hundred percent
above board. There's there's always going to be someone cutting corners.
There's always going to be the nil deal that the
star quarterbacks signed for seventeen million dollars. They're going to
give them an additional five or six under the table
in some way, shape or form that no one finds
out about.

Speaker 6 (02:09:42):
You know, that's always going to go on.

Speaker 3 (02:09:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, without a doubt.

Speaker 2 (02:09:48):
But you guys bring up with a fascinating point, which is, hey, now,
all of a sudden, you could be you could cruise
start you could be a startup university and you depending
how big you're, you're how much money you could raise
and then strike for your vcs, you go in and

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you could build you know, fits University.

Speaker 3 (02:10:12):
Now, Fitzy University.

Speaker 2 (02:10:14):
Has got a lot of money behind it, well right,
a lot of music money, and they're going to go
in and buy the players and all of a sudden,
fitzy university, it's going to be a powerhouse in college basketball.

Speaker 6 (02:10:27):
Well, look, they're not a startup by any means.

Speaker 5 (02:10:29):
They print money, but they have not been relevant in
the sports landscape for a long period of time. But
look at what SMU is doing right now. Yeah, I
mean ball their way into the SEC or the ACC
because they know that they have the amount of donors
and boosters who are willing to just cut the check
pay whatever is necessary. SMU within the next six years
is going to be a factor in basketball. That's why
they hired Andy infield and football, they are going to

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be relevant because they can write bigger checks than most others.

Speaker 6 (02:10:55):
Still, US schools can't in the nation.

Speaker 2 (02:10:56):
Too, and it hurt like those alum, then they're thirsty.

Speaker 6 (02:11:01):
Don't trust me? I know well, Eric Dickerson is a
friend that don't trust me.

Speaker 3 (02:11:05):
I get it, do not know it, do not know it? Thirsty, baby,
they're thirsty for it. The great Eric Tickersy is your friend.

Speaker 5 (02:11:15):
Oh yeah, he does a show with us every single
uh every Monday during the football season, and he's a
towd in SMU and has been for years, and now
they're just kind of coming out of you know, they're
the Doldrums because everything has opened up and now they
can use their.

Speaker 6 (02:11:29):
Money above board.

Speaker 4 (02:11:31):
Now.

Speaker 5 (02:11:31):
Granted it ended up costing him back in the day,
but they are they are excited about what's going on
down there because they are going to be one of
the powerhouses in college football, college basketball, and any other
sport that they want to be now that they have
the ability to do whatever they want with all the
money that.

Speaker 3 (02:11:47):
They have the Pony Express, right, Well, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (02:11:52):
Conversely, you may see a lot of a lot of
schools start to drop football, Like so Temple Universe Maya
alma mater has a new president and we're all waiting
whether or not they're going to drop football because they
haven't been relevant. It costs a ton and you know,

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other than a blip when Matt when Matty Rule was there,
it's been a wasteland. So there's a good chance that
Naked dump football. Meanwhile, the University of Delaware is going
up to Division one. I remember Joe Flacco went there.
They've had some get I mean like it's it's got

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a really good tradition and uh, it's now moving up
to Division one. There's a whole Delaware initiative, a Delaware
collective to help you know, you know, build that program.
So I could see where Delaware, which is really close
to Philadelphia, you know, neighboring state and Pa, where Delaware

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connects builds a builds a program and Temple deletes it.
You would have to answer that question if you're an
out of if you're in a university, you have the
appetite to you know, throw your the ring when it comes.

Speaker 5 (02:13:19):
To football, because at a certain point, you say, like,
what's the point where it's a losing proposition where look,
if we haven't been good for a while, we're barely
scraping by, we're not we're losing money. If we're making
a little bit, maybe we're making a little but we're
losing money and now we're gonna end up losing recruits.
Nobody's would want to come here because because the places
that can afford to give guys one thousand dollars a year,
we can't even afford that, you know exactly, and how

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do you do?

Speaker 4 (02:13:46):
Like do you just because the question is do you
end up with two different divisions in worlds of college
football or do you just essentially completely drop the entire process.
And then if you if you don't have a college
football team at all, can you remain in the social lexicon? Like,
I don't know the answer to that.

Speaker 5 (02:14:05):
Well, I mean, there are certain universities that don't have
you know, football, I mean, Dayton don't have a football program,
but they do fairly decent in basketball here and there,
Like there's I mean, you drop your a profile.

Speaker 4 (02:14:14):
If you don't have one. People care about Dayton?

Speaker 5 (02:14:17):
Well, well, I mean, without no disrespect to you, Anthony,
but there's not that many people nationwide they care about
Temple one way or the other.

Speaker 6 (02:14:24):
Either I don't know if it or lowers their profile, whether.

Speaker 5 (02:14:27):
Football states or not, you know what I mean, if
it's Ohio State or somebody, then sure, you know, it
depends on the level of the program.

Speaker 2 (02:14:36):
Yeah, there's a lot of schools like yeah, I look
at Villanova. They have a Division One team, but they
have their big basketball powerhouse.

Speaker 3 (02:14:43):
Georgetown is the same way, right, Like you look at
these things.

Speaker 2 (02:14:47):
And it's also a chance to choose do you go
football or you go you know, all in on basketball.
You're a basketball school, You're a Georgetown, what are you
gonna do? You take her around with football?

Speaker 3 (02:15:00):
But you don't. You're not a Division one team.

Speaker 5 (02:15:03):
But even with that, does Georgetown even have the sort
of we know that they're a basketball school, but do
they have the money to compete from a recruiting standpoint
when it comes to nil for yeah, even in basketball.

Speaker 2 (02:15:15):
I mean I wouldn't say yeah, I don't know. I
just don't know what kind of financial backup. That's a
prestigious school. It's a very well to do school. So
in the middle of d C. Like, I got to
believe that, I mean, you know, yeah, I mean you
have to. They would get their support.

Speaker 6 (02:15:30):
Yeah, you would, hope.

Speaker 5 (02:15:31):
I mean, you have prestige, but that's also your academic
or your prestige as Georgetown is different than the people
that are willing to actually pump their money into the
Georgetown basketball program.

Speaker 3 (02:15:39):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (02:15:40):
Those are two different things.

Speaker 3 (02:15:42):
Yeah, but I got to believe that, you know, maybe
not to the extent that I say you the first right,
they're they're about thirsty.

Speaker 6 (02:15:51):
They've always been tell me about it. Yes, yes, have been.

Speaker 2 (02:15:56):
And it's kind of what pit them right like it's
and now everything's a or what was illegal then is
legal now.

Speaker 3 (02:16:05):
Which is a common practice in this country.

Speaker 5 (02:16:08):
And no kidding, which, by the way, I'm glad that
Regard Busch got his heisman back because of that whole
thing too.

Speaker 4 (02:16:14):
It's one of the wild things that you know, vacated
wins and death penalties given and all these things, and
you look around and you're like, man, how do you
apply today's standard to what you know? Because look, I
realized that our standards and practices have changed, and I
don't think that that's a bad thing. I also think
that you knew the rules when you were breaking the rules,
right like, and so that's a difficult thing. Like my

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brother serves seven years for possession with the intent to
distribute on something that now he wouldn't be in jail for.
It doesn't change the fact that when he was a
kid and he did those things, he knew he was
breaking the like, he specifically knew he was doing something
that could wind him in jail and did it. So
action has consequence. I'm very torn on all of that.

Speaker 5 (02:16:53):
Yeah, and it doesn't justify wrongdoing either. You can't point
the finger. You can't be the spider man mean pointing
at somebody else. But it's like, if I'd don't do that,
I'm going to lose to that guy who's also doing it,
you know what I mean? Yeah, And that's kind of
what college football had been for years.

Speaker 4 (02:17:07):
Very true.

Speaker 3 (02:17:09):
So well, let's put a bow on this thing, the fits.
I'll start with you. Where does it end up and
how long does it take for it to kind of
fall into place.

Speaker 4 (02:17:21):
I think the only way that we get any sort
of national rule that won't get beaten in court is
if Congress steps in, and I don't think that's going
to be a priority anytime soon. So I think we're
living in the wild wild West for the next five years.
But I also believe that you're going to end up
with normalized spending. So what's going to happen at some
point is the top ten to twelve teams in the country,

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who've always been the top ten to twelve teams, are
going to continue to be the top ten to twelve teams,
and everybody else is going to become the middle class.
And when you're fighting in the middle class, everybody else
is going to be Their talent's going to be taken.
They're going to be taking talents from lower levels, and
you're going to hope that you just have the type
of year where it's your year and you pop off
like it's your year and you made the playoffs, and

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that's gonna become a real expectation for a lot of
these clubs, and then the rest of them are gonna
have to deal with sort of understanding that it costs
us much to run a football program.

Speaker 3 (02:18:13):
So, fig how does it play out for you?

Speaker 5 (02:18:16):
Yeah, I think we end up having some sort of
Maybe it's not they find a cute way to to
skirt around calling them professionals, but somehow, some way they
find a way to unionize this thing. They start putting
in regulations around transfer saying if you're gonna basically, if
you're recruiting someone and you sign a commitment with an
NIL deal, you're under contract with that school for a
certain amount of time and you can't leave, which in

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a sense is a contract. That's like you're a pro.
But the idea of guys floating through the transporportal left
and right, nil stuff gets caught up and the muck
left and right. It's just it's a lot to have
for a lot of people who have to deal with
that think it'd be easier on everybody, maybe tough on
some individual kids here and there, but from the NC
double A if they're even going to be still involved

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in this thing where it's all said and done, and
for the individual schools to just have some sort of
regulations in place for how much you can pay these kids,
how often these kids can actually move, and whether or
not you're locking them into a binding contract where they
will still get paid. But also they can't just opt
out of it and move on whenever they want to
out their whim and to the detriment of the school too.

Speaker 3 (02:19:20):
Yeah, because that's the only thing.

Speaker 2 (02:19:21):
When you lose a player, and you know, Alabamacommas approaches
my roster, I'm gonna be like, forget just to buy out.

Speaker 3 (02:19:28):
I want some sort of compensation.

Speaker 6 (02:19:29):
You get nothing for it, just this guy leaves. Yeah,
hell is that fair?

Speaker 4 (02:19:34):
Are we getting in it? Betrays in college football?

Speaker 6 (02:19:36):
I mean, boy, look we might.

Speaker 3 (02:19:38):
I could see it.

Speaker 2 (02:19:40):
I'll trade your basketball player and a tennis player all
right for your left tackle plus five hundred thousand.

Speaker 3 (02:19:48):
How about that? Where the Fellas a New World Baby,
New World The Fellas.

Speaker 2 (02:19:57):
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Speaker 3 (02:20:08):
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Speaker 2 (02:20:11):
I'm Anthony Gargano in the Great Kevin Figures FIGI. That's
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the Brain, the Great Brad Feinberg. Hello Brain, Good morning.

Speaker 12 (02:20:33):
Good morning, my friend.

Speaker 3 (02:20:34):
How you guys doing today? We're good.

Speaker 2 (02:20:36):
We're in a big time college football discussion.

Speaker 3 (02:20:40):
Do you know we were just talking about SMU. With
SMU and then number forty two have in common.

Speaker 12 (02:20:50):
Jeez, talk to me, what do we got?

Speaker 2 (02:20:53):
They will be playing forty two days from today the
first there's college football game, all right? It is SMU Nevada,
Florida State, Georgia Tech of course from Ireland. It'll be
a uh, it'll be college football Saturday, August twenty fourth,

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and that's just a mere forty two days away.

Speaker 12 (02:21:18):
Yeah, I can't wait again. It should be It should
be incredible me. And it's when football starts. It seems
like that's, you know, the world is starting again.

Speaker 3 (02:21:28):
What's your what's your? And I'll get it started.

Speaker 2 (02:21:32):
Give me some of your college football you know, futures
or are you looking at did you bet any games yet?

Speaker 12 (02:21:38):
I mean I haven't. It's funny if they have not
delved as much into college football as I shouldn't have
at this point, I will be honest. I've just been
so just so wrapped up in the NBA when that
was going on, and so immersed every single day in baseball.
I'm like a slave to it. So I haven't been

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put in. I'm mean I have like my power rankings
in place for this year. I can tell you I
do have Georgia ranked one, and I have Ohio State two. Uh,
and I have Oregon three. I can tell you that
like those are the.

Speaker 3 (02:22:14):
Team give us, give us your Do you have your
top ten? Yeah?

Speaker 12 (02:22:18):
Yeah, I have. I have Ohio. I'm sorry, I have
Ohio State two, Oregon three.

Speaker 4 (02:22:23):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (02:22:24):
I actually have ole Miss four? Uh five? Yeah, I
have ole Miss pretty high this year. I really do. Uh,
Texas five, Notre Dame six ten, Stage seven, Alabama eight,
Oklahoma nine, and l.

Speaker 3 (02:22:40):
S U ten. Wow.

Speaker 4 (02:22:44):
So what is it about?

Speaker 3 (02:22:46):
How about that? Yeah?

Speaker 12 (02:22:48):
Well, I mean all this was I mean last year.
I mean, first of all, Miss, have the rankings come
out in terms of uh, like the these like the
guy the Yeah, has that come out? Yeah, because I
would have to think. I mean, look, they have a
tremendous you know, quarterback. I mean like they're they're I

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mean Jackson Dart to me is I mean, Carson Beck's
gonna be great for Georgia. But I think Jackson Dart
is one of the the the best players in the sport.
I really really do. And I again, I think that
they have a really really good team er. I think
Leam Tiffin is, you know, and it's a shame about

(02:23:32):
his father passing away. Yeah, I mean you talk about
like I'm true like coach, Yeah, I mean like that. Uh,
And it's interesting. Well, they they to me just have
when I when I look at when I look at
their their their team. I mean, you know, they have

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a great transfer class, which is going to help them
a lot. They actually got ranked in from what I understand,
they have the number one transfer class, which obviously is
going to be huge for them. Now schedule wise, they
have at LSU, which right now they're a two and
a half point underdog in that game, so you know

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that's gonna be obviously a tough game for them. But
outside of that, I'm looking at their schedule outside of
that that game where they're you know, at two and
a half point underdog, they're favorite in every other game.
You know, they have Fermon obviously it's a walkthrough. They
have Middle Tasee state of walk through at Wake four, walkthrough, Georgia,

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Southern walkthrough. Kentucky at home, should be an easy win
at South Carolina, should be a win at LSU. Okay,
Oklahoma at home may be tough, but they should. I
mean I have them as about a six point favorite
there at Arkansas. It is obviously going to be a
game they should win. Okay, I'm sorry they'd want a
top one the Georgia game, but you know what, they

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have Georgia at home.

Speaker 2 (02:25:00):
Hey, by the way, they got and I forgot, they
got Henry Parrish to run the ball. Who was at
Miami didn't have a line like that. That was a good,
good pick up. By the way, ESPN did its ranking
UH spring ranking and Old Miss is number six.

Speaker 3 (02:25:20):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, they're in your ballpark.

Speaker 2 (02:25:22):
They go Georgia, Ohio, State, Texas, Oregon, Notre Dame, UH
then Old Miss, then Alabama, Missouri eight, Utah nine, Michigan ten.

Speaker 12 (02:25:37):
Yeah, what's interesting? I got to tell you, what's an
interest in me miss year that I don't think I've
seen Heisman Trophy race. It's it's open, so to speak. Yeah,
there's really not. They're not one guy that stands out
as a massive, massive favor like there have been in
the year's halt.

Speaker 4 (02:25:58):
It's it's just interesting to me because it's so hard
to project all of these things. But it speaks to
when you rank your teams the way you do, it
speaks to why Alabama may not have been the coveted job.
So many of us think, like hard to replace the
legend obviously Delane Kiffin, and you're looking at it and saying, man,
got it. I got a team that you've got power
ranked high that ESPN after spring had at six, which

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is higher than Alabama. Both of you have his existing
team higher than Alabama. I think it's a little bit
of the context we forgot about the conversation at the time.
Right for Lane, it's like we got to go to Bama,
do you like, do you really want to replace Saban?
And also you might have a better situation where you are.

Speaker 12 (02:26:37):
Well, it's so again what Alabama did and Georgia is
kind of doing now it's so hard just to keep
dominating at that level with all that pressure, you know
what I'm saying. And now I think it's even become
harder with everything, with the transfer portal and everything. It
is so hard, the pressure that the code Saban must

(02:26:57):
have sold to continue just always to have this top
three recruiting class. It's just it's it's really really difficult.
And yeah, I would I would say that replacing that
and expecting anyone to do that same kind of job,
to me is almost is almost impossible. I really believe that.

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I mean, I really think it's it's really really extremely
difficult to do that. But uh, you know, we'llook, we'll see,
we'll see what's what. But I like it's I mean,
this year Alabama strength to schedule, I have ranked fifth
and all this was like twenty fifth. That's a huge difference.
You know, that's a huge difference. So we'll, you know,
we'll see, but I mean, we'll see, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (02:27:41):
Hey, we were talking about this earlier, and you're a
big baseball guy, and we were talking about the idea
of schemes getting pulled.

Speaker 3 (02:27:52):
And the whole thing and missing out on the moments.

Speaker 2 (02:27:58):
Is we talk about being way too championship centric and
not enjoying like the true moments of the regular season.
And we understand health and imperiling players and the whole thing,
but to go for the no hitter, which is should
be the moment of that it matters. Are we devaluing

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this in baseball to its detriment?

Speaker 12 (02:28:26):
Well, I mean, look, Anthony, we are just a thing.
I mean, and I know, I mean, you breed a touxtallments.
It's like, we live in a world now where if
you just left schemes in there, and even though there
probably would be zero's scientific evidence to suggest otherwise, if
you left them in there, let's say two weeks later,

(02:28:48):
his shoulder starts bothering him, or even a monthly, and oh,
the media would say they left him in the pitch
an extra seventeen pitches or twenty two pitches. Oh my god,
they ruined this young man's and the general manager. The
manager would be in deep peril, in my opinion, of
losing their job. And that's ownership, and that's ownership. Really said,

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you know what, where's the data to show that when
guys like Nolan Ryan used to pitch in the nineteen
seventies and eighties they would throw three here, even O
Ryan with the three fifty innings, okay, never would go
in the DL. Like the arm injuries, It's like, you know,
there used to be four man staffs. The Oakland As
would have guy a four man staff, the guys pitching

(02:29:32):
forty some starts a year, you know, like, and I
would love to see the data is showing where there
was way less injuries back when I was going up
than there are now. And again, I didn't seen any
data to suggests that throwing extra pitches is dangerous for
you or whatnot. It's like, let me ask you a question.

(02:29:54):
When you're swinging, like at the practice range the golf swings,
I mean you, I mean that you more have to
get injured. I just I'm just saying, right, I think
it's a problem with the self fulfilling prophecy where everyone
just assumes you can't do it. But I'm going any
data suggesting it's actually accurate.

Speaker 4 (02:30:13):
How impossible does it make it at times to bet
on all of this when you can't necessarily anticipate, like
the pitcher can be having a game of his life
and you just don't know if he's going to get pulled.

Speaker 12 (02:30:24):
Well, well, well listen, I mean it's somewhat easier in
that in that actually did you say that because you
more or less know one hundred is an artificial number
where these guys just don't co past it, even though
again I remember it even doesn't born that it would
go one hundred and twenty five pitches. Now, those days
are like, you know, it's like people look at you

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like you have four eye dolls if you say, leave
the guy in f one hundred and twenty five pitches,
So you more or less know when the guy's going
to be pulled, and you aren't. Let's know how many
pitches he can throw, And it's just you just have
to work your handicap around that that look and there
is dad. I will say this one thing I will say,
there is dad is showing that once the third time

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around in the order most pictures successful isshoes starting pictures
guys does go down. So that part of it I
do think has validity to it. But in a situation
like Paul Schemes, I who has no hit stuff, so
it was you know, it's I don't care what picture
they're bringing in. I guarantee you you know he's doing

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the other he's doing the opponent of favor when they
take him out.

Speaker 3 (02:31:32):
Yeah, totally, totally. What he got for is today? Anything
over today? Yeah?

Speaker 12 (02:31:37):
I got, I got, I got a bunch of stuff
with me. Loco. Start off with Jose Barriers, Toronto blue
Jay starter is an innings eater fourteen and five to
over seventeen and a half outs this year, nineteen and
ten last year, so he was thirty three and fifteen
at last forty eight. You had to lay about a
dollar thirty over seventeen and a half outs. I think

(02:32:00):
he gets his eighteen out to six innings fixed. Mitchell Parker,
Washington Nationals pitching ming well recently. He's done for sixteen
and a half outs eight of his last ten games.
He's just in pitching well in general.

Speaker 3 (02:32:12):
I like that.

Speaker 12 (02:32:14):
I love Nadiavaldi and the Texas Rangers in the five
inning line over the Houston Astrus and Aragetty. You've always
been like a stud, legit terrific all year. Araghetty's been
a Gascan. Rather do the five inning line because if
the game is tied after five innings, I wrote, heavity
interest Houston has the deeper, better bullpen, and I would

(02:32:37):
want out of that game. But for five innings I
only laid at dollar ten in the overnight line. He
could still lay a dollar fifteen at some certain shops. Guys,
I think it should be at least minus one fifty.
My numbers are way different than what the market is.
I really like the Raiders in the five inning line.
I bet under five in Seth Lugo versus Parder Crawford.

(02:32:57):
Seph Lulu has been absolutely sensational year. Cutter Crawford's been
really good. Do not think they'll be six run scored there?
Cutter Crawford under eighteen and a half outs fifteen and
three this year, so hard to get nineteen outs. They'll
take Cutter Crawford out after seventy eight pitches seventy five
bitches after six innings, not because he can't go it,
but again the data says that third time through the

(02:33:18):
lineup these matches is very very leery of doing it.
Fifteen and three. The data is terrific. That'll give you
one more rock. Renaudo Lopez Alanta Braves under five and
a half minutes twelve and four this year going instant,
very pedestrian. Podrey's team plus a good stadium, and that's Santego.
Pitch it in for a pitcher. I like him to
give up under his five math hits and they say

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twelve before this year. Doesn't usually pitch upon of innings.
He never goes back to six innings either. So those
are some best that I think they're pretty good today.

Speaker 3 (02:33:46):
Yeah, sounds great, buddy, as always at Brad's Best Bets
on X at Brad'sbeest Bets dot Com, check him out.
He's the best. Thanks brother, We appreciate it.

Speaker 12 (02:33:56):
Thank you, Bro, appreciate you guys. I'll beat you guys
next week.

Speaker 3 (02:33:59):
He is brain during his preseason rankings. How about that, Fitzy,
he's got his rankings going.

Speaker 4 (02:34:05):
Hey, miss opened my eyes with old miss.

Speaker 3 (02:34:08):
Let's go yeah, fired up?

Speaker 2 (02:34:11):
All right, fellas, man, I can't believe it's already one
more secment to hang We'll do it next fellas on.

Speaker 3 (02:34:18):
Fox whoa yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Fellas Jackson.

Speaker 2 (02:34:38):
Kevin figures as we hang out on Anthony Gargan from
the Tireck dot Com studios. Don't forget podcasting, miss DD
of the show. Just search Fox Sports Radio. Wherever you
get your podcasts boom, the show will be right here
just in moments, and.

Speaker 3 (02:34:55):
You can hang out and take a listen. A lot
of Futherday boys flew by.

Speaker 4 (02:35:01):
Cousin can I Can I tell you two things, two
important things. One, you know we have Brad on every
single week in the last thirty minutes of our show.
When you brought him on a couple of minutes ago,
I genuinely thought, oh, Brad's on an hour early. I
still thought we had an hour and a half to go.
That's how fun it's been this morning, which is crazy.
And Two we came back with Keith Urban Music. I

(02:35:23):
will say because I frequently get asked nicest people I've
ever toured with in my life Kenny Rodgers and Keith
Urban by far and Keith. I'll never forget the first
day we were on the Keith Urban tour. I like,
you have these risers you set your instruments on in
the middle of the afternoon so they can roll on stage.
And I was setting all my stuff up. I get
tapped on the shoulder and I look over and he's like, hey,
I'm Keith, Like I don't know that, And I introduced

(02:35:43):
myself and through the whole tour the number of times
he would just come up and be like, hey, if
it's everything good, And you know, I hadn't seen him
in months, in months, and we were at the ACM
Awards at Catamug Country Music Awards in Vegas, and we
were doing this after party thing where everybody gets up
on stage and plays and I'm standing there with our
drummer from the band. Again, we hadn't seen him in months,
and he meets so many people, and all of a sudden,

(02:36:05):
I don't know where, Keith walks up with Nicole and
he's like, Nicole, this is Fits and Boone. They're part
of the band Perry, And I was like, oh my god.
It was just such like waws, just like it's just
a kind And I think of all the shows I
ever toured, all the tours I was ever on, I
genuinely believe he's the only one where probably ninety percent

(02:36:25):
of the shows. When we finished our show, we all
quickly changed and we all walked out in front of
house and we watched he and his band every night
because every night they brought it and his songs are
just incredible. So shout out to Keith Thurman.

Speaker 3 (02:36:37):
Dude, that's a great story. I love hearing stories like that.

Speaker 4 (02:36:41):
We had story time with the Fellas Alens.

Speaker 5 (02:36:42):
You could usually hear the opposite when it comes to
a lot of celebrities and they meet so many people,
and so many people are popping in and out of
their lives left and right and meeting them. The fact
that he introduced himself to you and then remembered you
years later, that's incredible.

Speaker 3 (02:36:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:36:55):
I also think one of the beautiful things about because
everybody knows his battles recovery and addiction one of the
beautiful things. And this is why I never like y'all.
This is a life lesson never judge things without context.
Because during the last song of his show, they always
back the bus up to the stage so he can
walk right off the stage and get straight onto the bus.
I remember one time talking to one of the security

(02:37:18):
people that was just a local, and they were talking
about how Keith obviously thought he was too good for
everybody to stand around and just say hi to people
after the show. And what that person didn't know is
that because one of his triggers for addiction is to
come down after a concert like it really hurts him.
He gets on that bus and he gets out of
the room, so he doesn't make any bad decisions. And

(02:37:38):
I always think about that because it's like, that's a
man that figured out a way to work through his issues,
and that's a man that figured out what was important
to him. And I always thought it was funny that
somebody that had no context decided because the bus was
pulling out right away, that it meant he was a
bad dude, and it's the opposite. So just a life
lesson for everybody.

Speaker 3 (02:37:55):
Wow. Yeah, that's great. That's a wonderful lesson. That's you're
exactly right.

Speaker 2 (02:38:01):
Hey, guys, So a trailer came out from a movie
that will be in theaters this fall. I cannot wait
for it. You got to tell me if you're in
or not, because I got chills. So take a listen
to this.

Speaker 3 (02:38:18):
I remember that day.

Speaker 4 (02:38:22):
I never forgot it that a slave could take revenge.

Speaker 3 (02:38:26):
Against an emperor. Where were you born? Oh I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:38:32):
I never knew a mother.

Speaker 3 (02:38:33):
No, my father. You will be my instrument. You are you?
Did you hear that crowd?

Speaker 1 (02:38:46):
The greatest temple the room.

Speaker 4 (02:38:48):
Ever built, the coliseum, Because this is what they believe
in power.

Speaker 3 (02:39:04):
General the cases, there are victories yet still to come.

Speaker 6 (02:39:09):
Room has so many subjects, she must feed them.

Speaker 4 (02:39:12):
They can eat.

Speaker 9 (02:39:13):
Wye Arena turned slaves into gladiators and the gladiators into
free men.

Speaker 3 (02:39:25):
You have something. I knew it from the start. I
could go all day with this Gladiator too dead zel,
Are you kidding me? Tell me you're as excited as
I am.

Speaker 4 (02:39:42):
One of my buddies sent to our group text the
trailer and he said, you have to watch this right now,
and I usually roll my eyes. Dude, I watched that
and I let out a guttural yell at the end,
like that night in the theater. Hell, I might well
wear gladiator gear. Let's go. I am in for that.

Speaker 3 (02:40:00):
Figgie.

Speaker 6 (02:40:01):
So that means I have to watch Gladiator one first, right?

Speaker 4 (02:40:04):
Oh no, god, I have not.

Speaker 6 (02:40:09):
Doesn't mean I didn't. It's not that I ever wanted to.
I just I just haven't done it.

Speaker 2 (02:40:13):
Oh dude, due this weekend, you got the baby, the
baby sleep and put on Gladiator.

Speaker 3 (02:40:18):
It's a great move.

Speaker 4 (02:40:19):
Gladiator.

Speaker 6 (02:40:20):
Now today I have my homework assignment.

Speaker 3 (02:40:22):
I'm on it, all right, that's it, all right, everybody,
We're done. Have a great Day. We love you guys.
Fella See next week.

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