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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kubbooms.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
If you thought four hours a day, twelve hundred minutes
a week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants
of the old Republic, a soul fashion of fairness. He
treats crackheads in the ghetto gutter the same as the
rich pill poppers in the penthouse.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
The Clearinghouse of Hot takes break free for something special.
The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller starts right now.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
In the air everywhere.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
The Fifth Hour with Me, Ben Maller and Danny g
Radio As we Are plausibly live on a Saturday from
Radio Row the day for super insert wrong buzzer from
beautiful downtown San Francisco where Danny is it beautiful? Though? Well,
you know it's odd I misspoke the other night on
(00:54):
the Overnight show. I had said that they'd cleaned up
the area around what is this place called the it's
a convention center. This is the Moscone Center. Who's that is?
I like a former mayor or something like. I feel
like that's a politician or something. They must be named
after something, something famous, dude. Yeah, that's what you do
when you're a politician. You name stuff after yourself, right,
that's what you did anyway, So I said in a
previous on the Overnight Show, I'd said, well, you know,
(01:15):
walking around, I told the story. I actually was crossing
the street a couple blocks over and a dad in
a forty nine er Jersey was he was with this kid.
It was like seven or eight year old kid, and
he said he told his kids, I don't I don't
know the tweakers aren't here. I don't know where they went,
like somebody along that. I was like, it's the funniest
thing in the world, Like, why would you tell your
(01:35):
seven or eight year old give that? And I didn't
see any And then today when I came in, we
were walking around and it's like, if you go a
block and a half over, it's sodom and gomar, It's it's.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
A tenderloin district over there. It's a shame. Though obviously
there are very beautiful parts. It's a Bay area, yeah, yeah,
it's and amazing parts of San Francisco. But downtown San
Francisco right now, oh my goodness, there are so many
zombies walking around. Yeah, and somebody needs to get in
here and help.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It's terrible.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
And I saw one of the police officers of course,
they don't want to say anything on the record.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
It's always off the record.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
And they're like, yeah, you know this area, like this block,
you know, right around where the media stuff is.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
They gave it.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I forget what it's called, but they had the president
of China and some of the other big Shotsaria, yeah,
and they cleaned up.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
It was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It's like what it should be like all the time
for the people to live here and pay their taxes.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And he's, oh, yeah, we cleaned up this area.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And he didn't even know where they put all the people,
but I think I found them because there are a
couple of blocks over. However, day we have another I
can add another name, and I'm very We're gonna get to.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
It before you get to that. You were you were right.
You don't hear this often. What's that? Moscone was the
mayor of San Francisco seventy six to seventy eight.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Two year run.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
But he's a Clippers fan because they called him the
people's mayor.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Oh there you go, see the people's or the people's team.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
By the way, this week, going back to the the
way they used to be, the People's.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Team went back to they looked like the streets of
San Francis.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Oh my god, not a great week for the clips.
But all you idiots A love draft picks. They got
some draft picks, so I hope you enjoy those. Let
me know, shirt out, you know, and I'll be I'll
be eighty by the time they have a good team again.
But that's fine.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
But you spotted a huge well, well, I.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Was walking around, and I was wondering around. We were
trying to get we parked on the other side, I
don't know. We didn't know where to park, so we went
to the we looked on the app and we found parking.
So we had to walk, you know, maybe four or
five blocks through beautiful downtown San Francisco, dodging needles and whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
So it's human. Make sure to wear my shoes today, Danny.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
So we're walking and and you know, I don't really
notice beautiful looking women, but there was this woman who
was somewhat attractive apparently, and then she stopped and she
was like, oh man, you know, and then I was
like what she looking at?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And right and I was walking.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I walked ahead of her and right to my right
I crossed pass like ships passing in the night. Danny
with the most famous comedian in the world in my opinion,
and one of the great, the great, not Caratalk.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
When you said that, I was like, ah Bert Kreischer, Yeah, yeah, No,
Dave Chappelle, come on, he's pretty high up on.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
The if you were to do it, I don't do list.
Dave Chappelle just casually one and only he is the
comedian of our jail, exactly right. Dave Chappelle's tremendously final.
I don't gree with everything he does, but obviously you know.
But Chappelle was there and we crossed pass and very
similar interaction.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Danny.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I would put that right next to me and the
Beebes back of the day you remember Biber. Now that
we actually touched Bieber's sounds personal, especially after what's happened
the last couple of years. But I was at a
Laker game, and back when we used to go to
those all the time. Bieber's hoodie paircings and we know
you love metal.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I don't know what you're telling you about it. I
was attracted to the giant metal cock.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
His hoodie touched me. So now I can add Dave
Chappelle celebrity sidings I also had a at a was
it the Beverly Center. Yeah, the Beverly Center, me and
Jason Smith back when we were you know, this is
twenty five years ago.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
We were wandering the Beverly Center. It's when Super Bowls
were in black and white?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Oh, dare you?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And in the pet shop pet shop at the Beverly
Center in La David Hasselhoffer Baywatch Night writer, Yeah, right there,
and it was that was what. No, you didn't have
a firm at that point, but he was there was
that's not the real He was there with his daughter,
though I don't I think she's probably old, might hate
(05:52):
him now, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I don't really pick. Oh, she's the one that filmed
him when he was eating that cheese.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Oh no, yeah, oh no, Well she was a cute
little girl at that. She didn't she didn't do that later.
So yeah, So it was just called me and Dave
Chappelle bonding right there.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Oh look at that?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, And I was showing Ben right now. My big
celebrity schmooze fest was with Fernando Mendos. Those the one
you said is going to be the next big, huge
superstar in the NFL. You had a viral moment where
you you were flobbing all over Fernando so much that
it went viral.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I got to I less it was the exact top.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Well, I'm I didn't realize there were any Indiana who's
your football fans? I know that they obviously won this
year and all that, but I was blown away, Like
I just said, the guys like a fourth round talent
and the Raiders are going to probably take him as
this That's what I said. And then of course I
got I got, Oh, you don't know you're doing you
know all the same. I always know the arguments because
(06:50):
I've been doing this long enough. So are you doing
the Overnight show? Who cares what you were thinking?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
You know what? And it's like people get very emotional.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
What I'm very we love that, though, I would say,
like if I don't, if I don't have a couple
of those things a year at least, I'm not doing
my job right.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You gotta be on the edge a little bit. But
I don't think that's an outrageous day. Listen. I hope
I'm wrong for you, Danny. You're getting older. I'm getting older.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
The Raiders have sucked for the last twenty five years
or so, so you know you gotta get something.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Just seeing some positive press on the Raiders in the
past couple of weeks is very strange because obviously I'm
used to seeing everybody put in their hands like this
to gather the low hanging fruit. Yea, because the Raiders
have been a punching bag for a while now. So
with a Clint Kubiak, who's a very capable offensive mind,
with a guy like Fernando Mendoza, the Raiders could actually
(07:37):
move in the proper direction, which is, you know, upwards,
rather than sinking lower and lower into the toilet.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
The biggest thing though, and this is I thought peekerra
would be able to turn things around. I think the
whole like attitude they yeah, loser attitude when you're fine
and then every bag team's fine for a while and
then the first time something goes wrong, you just completely
caves in.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
And the Raiders have had that for twenty years. Oh yeah,
I can't. That close game to the Chicago Bears. Remember
when the last second field goal from the Raiders got blocked.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
The whole season unraveled at that point, and a lot
of it was because their best offensive lineman in that
game limped off right before that missed field goal. So
not only did they lose the guy that kept their
O line together, they lost all hope for the season
and everything went to complete shambles after that.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, that's the you know you're gonna have injury. Every
time I hear someone, I lose my mind. Another one
of my pet peeves is when people say, well, you know,
if they had stayed healthy.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
No one stays healthy.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
No, it's just who's mentally strong enough to continue on.
And we always hear it is so cliche, the whole
next man up thing, but it's true in all of sports.
If you have a bench where those guys are really
locked in and focused and they can't wait to get
their chance, and they get in there and they show
off what they got, then your team stays on track.
(08:55):
But if you got dudes that probably third fourth stringers
on any other team and they kind of like gingerly
walk into the game like, oh shit, I gotta play.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I thought I was getting a free pay check.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, but it does a lot of It is that
attitude thing, and also like having talked to coaches and
some of these guys have worked here, over the years,
Jim Moore, Dennis Green, briefly, some guys like that I'm
name dropping Danny.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I just named two names there. That's the only two
I can name. You could throw Dave Chappelle in now.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
But me and Dave.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
You think I'm not going to tell that story of
the rest of my career. Me and Dave Chappelle had
a mollment on the streets of San Francisco. Come on,
be ready, Alfie on ferg Dog. I mean, I'm doing
full Chappelle. I'm going deep dive me and Chappelle. I'm
gonna I'm gonna get VIP backstage passes.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
What do you think he was here for? By the way,
you think he was here for some you must have
been partying. Was he at the NFL Honors last night?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Maybe I don't. I didn't. I didn't want it. I
didn't watch it either. I didn't watch it, so I
have no h back on. I did see.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Coach of the Year though, Mike, Mike verbal, Oh the
girl that presented is I.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Saw the moment I was was Drew ski Oh, yeah,
that's right with the saying the bad the bad word.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Well, and I was like, does he must know that
had to be a bit, right, of course it was. Yeah,
that was a bit. It was funny.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
It was not bad, all right, So yeah, yeah, the
whole attitude thing. And we'll see if that changes with
the new coach, Clint Kubiak, which is great. You never
need to learn the name of the Raiders coach because
they change every year. And I have in my head
the cartoon bubble on my head. Mark Davis goes in
and he's all right, we'll fire in the coach and
(10:29):
he throws the paperwork at some assistant with the Raiders up.
Figure out how to pay this guy, you know, raise
the price of nachos a dollars.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well, we'll pay this guy, and that'll be that.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I feel like this coach could actually stick. This quarterback
could actually stick. And for the first time, Ben there's
a big name player where fans will actually go to
a Legion stadium to see that one player.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
As opposed to Max Crosby, who's I guess on his
way out right.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Come on, Glazier, he's reporting some bullshit. That was a
comp station during the season. They weren't Max Crosby's words.
It's what Jake Glazer took from it. Okay, that's fine,
but why now, why didn't you report that back then?
Why is he reporting that now on radio row at
the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
He doesn't I think, you know what, Okay, I don't
know all the personal assault. No, he wants attention. Okay,
well yeah, but look at these people. This is unbelievable
to me.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
This is like I feel like I'm in remember that
show Entourage, Like every time I come to these radio
row things, It's it's surreal because you have these athletes
surrounded by handlers, like two or three pr people trying
to get attention.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
It's it's a.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Little A lot happens in two months though in sports
behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, I know. But damn when he was Flave of
Flav right when Yo Flave no.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Wave, he's he's so programmed not to acknowledge anyone. He
just kept walking total room. He was on CNR last year,
was on the Super Bowl state. I like these walking
like we're in the kind of the side and.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, yeah he had dark sunglasses on eating him and
see us.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, he was like Stevie Wonder.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
But it does appear there's a crod that's going over
there to try to get a hold of flavor flave
right there. I was going to bring him over to
the podcast, but you know he's not a big enough name.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Back to trashing Jay Glazer. Okay, so be care be
very careful, my man, third rail, ma man.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
So listen, Since all that went down during the season
and they shut Crosby down for those final two games, yeah,
the Fernando path became clear and there was even quotes
from Crosby saying that kid's going to be great.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I'm a new fan of his.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Things settled down to where he got his surgery and
he was like, okay, he could kind of see the path.
But back when he was just pissed off and he
didn't want to be shut down, he was frustrated. Of
course he was. He's a warrior. He wanted to play.
But take those emotions and that feeling then and where
he's at right now, two different places.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, well, well see, I don't know, we need content
for the offseason, Dan, I know you love the Raiders,
but we need we need good content, and that would
be a decent name. And now that's the next thing
after the super Bowl, and it just hasn't been too
much excitement.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I mean, dude, I think the NBA trade deadline was weak.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, normally people kind of live off of that, Yeah
a little bit. Yeah, and we didn't get Janis or
John Moran just got your boy Harden.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
What is still wrong with the Clippers? Harden had a
meltdown and Viza Zubats No more Zubats.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Going to the end of two favorite Clippers. Well, we are.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Hanging out plausibly live on on podcast. Unless we're not
from Radio Row in San Francisco. If you need any fentanyl,
you can.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Come down here. You've had some good guests the last
couple of days. Well we've been we've been okay.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
But we have today on the on the Big Baffosco
Saturday Extravaganza.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Chance to catch up with the guy that.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Called, Oh, he's on the sidelines for like every big
moment about twenty what do you think twenty years ago
or so?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
About nineties?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
More than that, dude, he's got a museum and I
know we're one and only Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
That's right, buddies with Tom Brady. In fact, I will
get to the bottom. The Malor Investigated Bureau has been
activated here, Danny.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
We're going to get to the bottom of.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
How Jim Gray became besties with the greatest quarterback of
all time, Tom Brady, And we'll get to the bottom
of that.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
And this conversation we had a few minutes ago we
walk him in.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
He was on NBC sideline report booked the Michael Jordan
retirement story the first time the great Jim Gray joined us.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Now in the fifth hour, good to see it. How
you been for you? It's good to be with you, Ben.
I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I back in the day when I first got in
the media, I was at the Laker games at the Forum,
and I saw you from time to time.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
You were hanging out back in those days, and yeah, yeah,
great times.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Oh yeah, well awesome in the eighty seven, much different
vibe though, right the whole what's it been like for
you being in the media business all these years?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
The difference.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I know, you're doing a podcast and you've been a
bunch of the media stuff, But back then it was
a totally different animal.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
And then now, oh my god, well there was only
three networks. The advent of cable television and then cable
cable long and so that changed everything. And then the
proliferation of talk radio and then the Internet finally arrived
and now we have streaming, so you know, it's just
all you know, it's just all come together in a hurry.
(15:16):
But you know, you could kind of see it, but
you didn't expect it because when I was a kid,
we were listening to you know, the radio, and then
you had the vinyl records, and then you had the cassette,
then you had the eight track, and then that went away,
and then you finally you know, worked its way all
the way up to you know the ie not the iPod, yeah, yeah,
(15:40):
iPhone and the digits, the streaming services. So you could
kind of see the evolution coming, but I don't think
any of us expected UH to grow in the fashion
that it has and the explosion that it's become.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
And you've kept up with it, right, you get the
podcast stuff going on your whatever the platform is, Jim
Gray is going.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
To be there.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well you have to.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
I mean, you know, if if if you don't move,
I mean, it's not we're still not riding in horses
and buggies. And then the model t if you don't
move with it, it just leaves you behind. So you
don't want to be standing out in the middle.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Of the road.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
You know, you want to you just move with the times,
and time passes and and you've got you've got to
change with it.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
What about the from the TV perspective with all the
streaming and all that. I mean, you were on network
television back when, as you said, there was only a
few channels.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Now, before the advent of Fox. We're now on Fox
Sports Radio. There wasn't even a Fox. Yeah, you know,
there wasn't you know. I was at CBS when we
lost the rights. I was doing the games with Madden
and Summer all in the NFL today, Yeah, it's great
Gumble and Terry Bradshaw and legends, let's Leavesser and Pat
O'Brian and I Yeah, so we uh we saw Fox
(16:49):
take that and Rupert was always been way ahead of
his time, and boy did he jump out there and
made a huge gamble on the NFL and the building
the network and no one believed in it.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
And now look what it is today. Yeah, it's unbelievable.
It's all over the place.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And in your run in TV and all that.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
So I did the one.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
There's a couple of things that you did that like
were I mean, you've did done everything. But the I
remember when you broke You broke the Jordan story right
when he was retiring. That was like, I don't think
people can grasp now who are younger, like Jordan was
the king, and like, what do you You can't retire
even in the prime of his career, and you had
(17:32):
that before everyone else.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
It was a big surprise. It was a big surprise.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
We were at the baseball game for the White Sox
playoff game and Michael had thrown out.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
The first pitch.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Yeah, And so it's a funny story because it relates
to somebody who now works at Fox. And we had
gotten word that Michael was going to retire, and he
was sitting up in Jerry Reinsdorf's box and Datelines NBC
or one of the NBC new shows, okay that had
mentioned something, but they hadn't had whatever it was the
(18:04):
confirmation from Michael. So I went up to the box
where Michael was sitting with Jerry Reinsdorf and there was
another man by the name of Eddie Einhorn who was
a minority partner and he was a great legendary television
man himself, Eddie Einhorn, and he was Reinstorf's partner, and
we couldn't get in because the door was locked. So
I went to the booth next door and stuck my
head out in a hurry box window at the new
(18:27):
Kaminski Stadium, it was the new stadium, and I stuck
my head around and I said, Eddie, come over. Here
is Michael Jordan retiring. And he was sitting next to
Hinsdorf and he went, I said, can you confirm that?
And Jerry went shook his head. Einhord shook his head.
Michael was in the back. I said, can I talk
(18:48):
to him? He said, well, no, he's in the back.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Of the booth. He's not doing interviews. I said, what
can I say?
Speaker 6 (18:55):
He says, there'll be a press conference tomorrow out at
the Bulls Facility in Dearborn.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
And I so I was with another guy by the
name of Eric Shanks. You know who he was.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Yeah, he was our broadcast associate, our beat He became
a big mobile, a president of sport.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I would I would say yes.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
So he was with me, okay, and we ran down
the hallway when Michael came out and we jumped in
the elevator with him as he was getting into his
car and Michael didn't want to answer any questions. Yeah, camera,
but he nodded in an affirmation that we had the
story right. So I ran out there and put it
on the air. Greg Gumbel and Jim Cott were doing
the game. Did they know in advance or did you
broke the story? You broke whatever? Ending it was.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, that was crazy, how big that was.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
And then the next day, obviously at the Dearborn, he
retired for the first time.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, that was insane at the time. I remember, reaction
was like and this was before social media, so you
know that was before the internet. Yeah, before the exactly
before the Internet and all that stuff. What about it now?
I assume I'm gonna ask you but the debate the
Lebron Jordan, I'm team Jordan. Lebron's obviously been great and wonderful,
and all I said, where do you fall on that?
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Like you diminish Lebron when you say Jordan, I say, Michael,
all right, it sounds like you diminish Lebron. Yeah, and
I don't. He's great, He's fabulous. I mean, look at
the records that he said. But to me, it's Jordan. Yeah,
And you know, I don't. I don't find it to
(20:26):
be close. But I think Lebron's sensational. I think Lebron,
you know, he broke all the records. He broke Kareem's record.
Look at the longevity that he's had, look at how
great he's been, the number of championships that he's had,
the places where he's won championships in three cities, Miami, Cleveland,
Los Angeles. So you know, it's hard to compare eras,
(20:50):
and it's hard to compare people. I just think that Jordan,
for what he was, for that moment, had separated himself.
Now you get a lot of folks today who will
think just the opposite, and they're entitled to their opinion,
and I don't diminish it.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
But I'm a Jordan. I would say Jordan.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah, I'm on team Jordan too, And that's like the
last I would say Jordan, maybe Kobe.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Because of the social media war that we're in now, right,
the impact that Jordan became as big as he became
without social media, anybody after this, and who knows what's
next after social media.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I can only imagine thirty years from now what the
world's going to be like, but.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Well, Ali was bigger than all of them, and that
was all the word of mouth. Yeah, okay, only was
bigger than Jordan. Yeah, the legend more well known around
the world, probably than anybody on the planet, including the Pope.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Who've had, you know, billions of followers. Yeah, for sure.
And I got to ask you do a podcast.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
You've done work with Tom Brady your friends obviously the time.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
How did that begin?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
How did you I mean did you was it through
the media or like, how did you and Tom create
this bond?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
You know?
Speaker 6 (21:54):
I interviewed him for his first Super Bowl in a
pre game. I was on Westwood One. I interviewed him
for the pregame. Then he won the game, so I
interviewed him after the game on Westwood one in the
field and I was with NBC at the time, So
I said, Tom, will you come back out after you
shower and do your obligations for the Today Show? So
we did an interview on the Today Show. So he
did three interviews in the course of whatever those three
(22:16):
days were, two days whatever. Yeah, and then he comes
back the following year. Then he's in three out of four,
you know, and he's doing and so we just had
a professional relationship and he would see me at his
best times winning Super Bowls. Yeah, okay, so we just
became friendly professionally personally. So at that time I was
(22:41):
on Westwood One and Tom had won those three Super
Bowls and he would spend some time in southern California.
And I was doing the radio show on Westwood One
with Don Shula, Mike Dick and Don Shula doing the
pregame and I saw Tom out with his watching his
I think it was two or three year old son, Jack,
(23:04):
two year old son hitting tennis balls, and I said, hey, Tom,
good to see and we just talked on the side
of the tennis court. I said, hey, coach Shula is
going to retire. And I believe this was two thousand
and eight. Okay, remember the year. Would you like to
do the pregame in the halftime on Monday Night Football
(23:24):
with me? Like coach Shula does take over? He says, well,
what does that entail? I said, well, we'll tape the
pregame and then you have to be live at halftime.
And our museum director Howard Denaroff, who runs the Hall
of Excellence for US, was the executive producer at Westwood One.
I called Howard, I said, you know, I talked to Tom.
He's going to think about it. Tom called back a
week or two later and he said, talk to my agent,
(23:45):
Steve Duban dubin Andy, I'd like to do this.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
And I was astonished. And guess what we've done it
ever since. That's great, No, I know, you guys have
been synonymous.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
And halftime, he would call in at halftime, do it live.
And then we left Westwood one in two thousand and
one and we created the podcast and went over to
Sirius XM to do an hour and we had Larry
Fitzgerald with us, and so we've done the podcast ever since.
And now the podcast is more because Tom, you know,
has a lot of Fox responsibility, so he's a regular
guest now and yeah, here's all the time. And Belichick
(24:19):
took his place full time, and then Bill went back
to work at You and You and c. Yeah, and
so we got Matthew Stafford this year. So we're hoping
Matthew wins this MVP. That's right, this is it, I know,
and it is even Bill continue to MaTx Crosby and
Peter Kane.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
That's great.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
And you mentioned Oh, you mentioned the Hall of Fame
or the museum in Vegas. Right, tell me about that.
I go to Vegas all the time. All of excellence,
all of excellence.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
So in at the Fountain Blue Loss, what can we
you know the listener, what can they expect?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
They're in Vegas, they were looking for something to do
during the day. What can they expect when.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
They're going to the greatest sports artifacts in the history
of sports. We have three hundred and twenty five of them,
all of excellence on the second floor the Fountain Blue,
Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
We great partner.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
They built as a great museum, and Jeffrey Sofer owns
the hotel. Maurice Wooden runs it. He's the president. It's
been terrific for us to be able to open in July.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
We have everything.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
From Jackie Robinson's bat to break the Color Barrier to
Babe Ruth called shot bat, to Tom Brady's seven Super
Bowl rings, to Tom Coff's Clara jug to Oprah Winfrey's
Medal of Freedom, to Simone Biles Leotard from her.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
First It's great.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
How do you bring her first gold medal in Rio
Katie Ledecki when she won in Paris. We've got her
swimsuit with Michael Phelps jacket that he wore on the
victory platform when the only guy to win eight gold
medals in any Olympics in Beijing, so it's in there.
We've got Lebron james first jersey the night he played
in Sacramento for the for the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
We got the basket that he broke.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Kareem Abdul Jabbar's record with Kobe Bryant's net when he
scored eighty one points.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
How'd you get all? How are you going to it?
I owned?
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Other people have contributed to lou for display. We have
private collectors like David Kohler from the Lakers Shrine has
given us some great Lakers items, Magic Johnson's shoes he
gave us and from their repeat, and he's given us
something from Will Chamber.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
The only known artifact from the one hundred point game.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
When Will broke that record is the score book, the
original scorebook signed by Will. So there's something for everybody.
And we also have a lot of entertainment. It's the
only place in the country where the egot is on display.
Emmy Oscar, Grammy and Tony the Egot Award. We have
the Oscar for Unforgiven from Clint Eastwood, his first Oprah
(26:42):
Winfrey's Tony from The Color Purple and her Emmy from
Her Great Show and justin Timberlake's Grammy. And we also
have if you walk down, if you walk down the
strip right now in Las Vegas, now you're walking down,
you're walking down, Well, what would you see? Thirty five
to forty times were just walking there's one thing you
would see.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
What would you think be part of the strip. We
look like any part of the strip if you just
want a part of the string over the place.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Yeah, you'd also probably see thirty five to forty Elvis
Presley in person. Oh yeah, of course, yes, the Kings,
Long Live the King. We have his first suit that
he ever wore for the first concert that he gave
in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Hanging is that right night that.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
He appeared at the International Hotel that's loaned to us
from Graceland.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
That's awesome, Yeah, that's right. So and it's at the
Fountain Fountain Blue right.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
There, and you come in, we give you an iPhone. Okay,
we get a thirty two minute guided tour by Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Oh, the grace of God, that's right.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
So you get to hear Morgan Freeman walk you through
and uh, what he does, he does just a great job.
And yeah, and we're so thrilled that's done that. And
then on each art fact, each artifact that you go through, uh,
when you hit the button on your iPhone, it pulls
(28:07):
up the highlight from when it was used.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Oh, so you can see that. That's great.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
And we have great we have the great voices, all
of the great voices who have brings the stories alive.
Bob Costas for baseball, Jim nance Sure for uh for golf,
Oprah Winfrey for entertainment, Andre's Canter for soccer, Doc Emeric,
the great Doc Emrick he does all of the hockey.
(28:32):
Tom Brady does all of the football. I do the
boxing great, And so you get all those voices.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Marv Albert for basketball. Can I play something for twenty Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
let's say.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Let's put it right up in the mice here there were.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I heard the voice there. Let's do that again. That's live.
So here we go before you so.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Rare that a real legitimate comparison does not exist. I'm movin.
Freeman and together. We'll explore or space without president, hundreds
of items that cannot be found anywhere.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Else on this planet.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Welcome to the Hall of Excellence inside Defonte and Blue,
Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Oh that's great, that's awesome. I'm going to have to
go in there and some of him in town. Money
come by, Come on checkers, get a discount? Am I
a senior? Wait all youth? You know we let in
for free? Oh good? Do the kids everry discount that?
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Residents discount free parking at the Fountain lou Come on in,
all right, we'll get.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
You out on this little Jim. The super Bowl is
on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Any prediction, what do you think is going to happen
on Super Bowl Sunday.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I'm going to say what Tom Brady said.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Okay, okay, he said if they played ten times, Seattle
would win six.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
So Seattle I think.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Okay, I'm gonna go with him. He seems to know
pretty well. Thanks for doing this, Gym.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I appreciate it. You had a great career.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
I appreciate you letting us talk about all of excellent,
awesome sharing stories.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
They're great.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Jim Gray, Hell yeah, all right, great to have the man.
Jim Gray. You know we've we've had Jim. Actually, I
think it's a listener. I was he was seemed excited.
I don't know, Danny. I'm always skeptical when people say
they listen and they enjoy the show and they want
to talk to me, because I always think everyone's full
(30:23):
of crap.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Wait, but some of the NFL media, like Kevin Well,
he does NBA as well, Harlan Yeah, yeah, there are Yeah,
there are guys like that that actually do.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
No I know, but I'm always like, I'm like, is
this guy you don't believe it.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I'm always skeptical. But he seemed like Jim.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I think Jim does occasionally listen to the Overnight Show.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I know he loves radio. I know he talked about
that and he's a big radio He.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Said something about blind Scott when he was leaving that
he wanted an autograund.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
You wanted to hear hollering James snore and I said,
I can't do that.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I'm sorry, but I was like, damn, well, he really
is a listener.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
There's a Barry Sanders randomly walking by trying to avoid people.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
He's going He's going to go through the app back
side here.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
See this is good because where we're at, all these
people they come wandering by here to get out there
you go a see no wave. I didn't get awave.
I got a head nod. Yeah, I get ahead nod.
So I just got in the in. During this fifth
hour podcast, Danny flavor Flame did not acknowledge me, and
Barry Sanders, the Great Lion Player did not as they
walked by.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
So I'm older and gave Ben Maller a stiff arm.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
He looked the other way, and I would too if
I looked at myself, I would look the other way.
All right, we'll get out of here. We get the
mail bag. On Sunday, we are at Radio Row. Was
excited to be in San Francisco inside the secured facility.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Yeah, Ben get with twenty twenty six. This is called
media road. No, no screw that. I'm a radio Okay.
I got in a radio till I died. It is
the classic term that has been grand fought. Like I
still call the Washington commanders of the Redskins racist. Anyway,
we'll catch you on the mail bag on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Asta pasta flation
Kubbooms.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
If you thought four hours a day, twelve hundred minutes
a week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants
of the old Republic, a soul fashion of fairness. He
treats crackheads in the ghetto gutter the same as the
rich pill poppers in the penthouse.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
The Clearinghouse of Hot takes break free for something special.
The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller starts right now.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
In the air everywhere.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
The Fifth Hour with Me, Ben Maller and Danny g
Radio As we Are plausibly live on a Saturday from
Radio Row the day for super insert wrong buzzer from
beautiful downtown San Francisco where Danny is it beautiful? Though? Well,
you know it's odd I misspoke the other night on
(00:54):
the Overnight show. I had said that they'd cleaned up
the area around what is this place called the it's
a convention center. This is the Moscone Center. Who's that is?
I like a former mayor or something like. I feel
like that's a politician or something. They must be named
after something, something famous, dude. Yeah, that's what you do
when you're a politician. You name stuff after yourself, right,
that's what you did anyway, So I said in a
previous on the Overnight Show, I'd said, well, you know,
(01:15):
walking around, I told the story. I actually was crossing
the street a couple blocks over and a dad in
a forty nine er Jersey was he was with this kid.
It was like seven or eight year old kid, and
he said he told his kids, I don't I don't
know the tweakers aren't here. I don't know where they went,
like somebody along that. I was like, it's the funniest
thing in the world, Like, why would you tell your
(01:35):
seven or eight year old give that? And I didn't
see any And then today when I came in, we
were walking around and it's like, if you go a
block and a half over, it's sodom and gomar, It's it's.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
A tenderloin district over there. It's a shame. Though obviously
there are very beautiful parts. It's a Bay area, yeah, yeah,
it's and amazing parts of San Francisco. But downtown San
Francisco right now, oh my goodness, there are so many
zombies walking around. Yeah, and somebody needs to get in
here and help.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It's terrible.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
And I saw one of the police officers of course,
they don't want to say anything on the record.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
It's always off the record.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
And they're like, yeah, you know this area, like this block,
you know, right around where the media stuff is.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
They gave it.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I forget what it's called, but they had the president
of China and some of the other big Shotsaria, yeah,
and they cleaned up.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
It was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It's like what it should be like all the time
for the people to live here and pay their taxes.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And he's, oh, yeah, we cleaned up this area.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And he didn't even know where they put all the people,
but I think I found them because there are a
couple of blocks over. However, day we have another I
can add another name, and I'm very We're gonna get to.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
It before you get to that. You were you were right.
You don't hear this often. What's that? Moscone was the
mayor of San Francisco seventy six to seventy eight.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Two year run.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
But he's a Clippers fan because they called him the
people's mayor.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Oh there you go, see the people's or the people's team.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
By the way, this week, going back to the the
way they used to be, the People's.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Team went back to they looked like the streets of
San Francis.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Oh my god, not a great week for the clips.
But all you idiots A love draft picks. They got
some draft picks, so I hope you enjoy those. Let
me know, shirt out, you know, and I'll be I'll
be eighty by the time they have a good team again.
But that's fine.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
But you spotted a huge well, well, I.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Was walking around, and I was wondering around. We were
trying to get we parked on the other side, I
don't know. We didn't know where to park, so we went
to the we looked on the app and we found parking.
So we had to walk, you know, maybe four or
five blocks through beautiful downtown San Francisco, dodging needles and whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
So it's human. Make sure to wear my shoes today, Danny.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
So we're walking and and you know, I don't really
notice beautiful looking women, but there was this woman who
was somewhat attractive apparently, and then she stopped and she
was like, oh man, you know, and then I was
like what she looking at?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And right and I was walking.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I walked ahead of her and right to my right
I crossed pass like ships passing in the night. Danny
with the most famous comedian in the world in my opinion,
and one of the great, the great, not Caratalk.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
When you said that, I was like, ah Bert Kreischer, Yeah, yeah, No,
Dave Chappelle, come on, he's pretty high up on.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
The if you were to do it, I don't do list.
Dave Chappelle just casually one and only he is the
comedian of our jail, exactly right. Dave Chappelle's tremendously final.
I don't gree with everything he does, but obviously you know.
But Chappelle was there and we crossed pass and very
similar interaction.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Danny.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I would put that right next to me and the
Beebes back of the day you remember Biber. Now that
we actually touched Bieber's sounds personal, especially after what's happened
the last couple of years. But I was at a
Laker game, and back when we used to go to
those all the time. Bieber's hoodie paircings and we know
you love metal.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I don't know what you're telling you about it. I
was attracted to the giant metal cock.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
His hoodie touched me. So now I can add Dave
Chappelle celebrity sidings I also had a at a was
it the Beverly Center. Yeah, the Beverly Center, me and
Jason Smith back when we were you know, this is
twenty five years ago.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
We were wandering the Beverly Center. It's when Super Bowls
were in black and white?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Oh, dare you?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And in the pet shop pet shop at the Beverly
Center in La David Hasselhoffer Baywatch Night writer, Yeah, right there,
and it was that was what. No, you didn't have
a firm at that point, but he was there was
that's not the real He was there with his daughter,
though I don't I think she's probably old, might hate
(05:52):
him now, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I don't really pick. Oh, she's the one that filmed
him when he was eating that cheese.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Oh no, yeah, oh no, Well she was a cute
little girl at that. She didn't she didn't do that later.
So yeah, So it was just called me and Dave
Chappelle bonding right there.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Oh look at that?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, And I was showing Ben right now. My big
celebrity schmooze fest was with Fernando Mendos. Those the one
you said is going to be the next big, huge
superstar in the NFL. You had a viral moment where
you you were flobbing all over Fernando so much that
it went viral.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I got to I less it was the exact top.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Well, I'm I didn't realize there were any Indiana who's
your football fans? I know that they obviously won this
year and all that, but I was blown away, Like
I just said, the guys like a fourth round talent
and the Raiders are going to probably take him as
this That's what I said. And then of course I
got I got, Oh, you don't know you're doing you
know all the same. I always know the arguments because
(06:50):
I've been doing this long enough. So are you doing
the Overnight show? Who cares what you were thinking?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
You know what? And it's like people get very emotional.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
What I'm very we love that, though, I would say,
like if I don't, if I don't have a couple
of those things a year at least, I'm not doing
my job right.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You gotta be on the edge a little bit. But
I don't think that's an outrageous day. Listen. I hope
I'm wrong for you, Danny. You're getting older. I'm getting older.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
The Raiders have sucked for the last twenty five years
or so, so you know you gotta get something.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Just seeing some positive press on the Raiders in the
past couple of weeks is very strange because obviously I'm
used to seeing everybody put in their hands like this
to gather the low hanging fruit. Yea, because the Raiders
have been a punching bag for a while now. So
with a Clint Kubiak, who's a very capable offensive mind,
with a guy like Fernando Mendoza, the Raiders could actually
(07:37):
move in the proper direction, which is, you know, upwards,
rather than sinking lower and lower into the toilet.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
The biggest thing though, and this is I thought peekerra
would be able to turn things around. I think the
whole like attitude they yeah, loser attitude when you're fine
and then every bag team's fine for a while and
then the first time something goes wrong, you just completely
caves in.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
And the Raiders have had that for twenty years. Oh yeah,
I can't. That close game to the Chicago Bears. Remember
when the last second field goal from the Raiders got blocked.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
The whole season unraveled at that point, and a lot
of it was because their best offensive lineman in that
game limped off right before that missed field goal. So
not only did they lose the guy that kept their
O line together, they lost all hope for the season
and everything went to complete shambles after that.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, that's the you know you're gonna have injury. Every
time I hear someone, I lose my mind. Another one
of my pet peeves is when people say, well, you know,
if they had stayed healthy.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
No one stays healthy.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
No, it's just who's mentally strong enough to continue on.
And we always hear it is so cliche, the whole
next man up thing, but it's true in all of sports.
If you have a bench where those guys are really
locked in and focused and they can't wait to get
their chance, and they get in there and they show
off what they got, then your team stays on track.
(08:55):
But if you got dudes that probably third fourth stringers
on any other team and they kind of like gingerly
walk into the game like, oh shit, I gotta play.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I thought I was getting a free pay check.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, but it does a lot of It is that
attitude thing, and also like having talked to coaches and
some of these guys have worked here, over the years,
Jim Moore, Dennis Green, briefly, some guys like that I'm
name dropping Danny.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I just named two names there. That's the only two
I can name. You could throw Dave Chappelle in now.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
But me and Dave.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
You think I'm not going to tell that story of
the rest of my career. Me and Dave Chappelle had
a mollment on the streets of San Francisco. Come on,
be ready, Alfie on ferg Dog. I mean, I'm doing
full Chappelle. I'm going deep dive me and Chappelle. I'm
gonna I'm gonna get VIP backstage passes.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
What do you think he was here for? By the way,
you think he was here for some you must have
been partying. Was he at the NFL Honors last night?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Maybe I don't. I didn't. I didn't want it. I
didn't watch it either. I didn't watch it, so I
have no h back on. I did see.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Coach of the Year though, Mike, Mike verbal, Oh the
girl that presented is I.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Saw the moment I was was Drew ski Oh, yeah,
that's right with the saying the bad the bad word.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Well, and I was like, does he must know that
had to be a bit, right, of course it was. Yeah,
that was a bit. It was funny.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
It was not bad, all right, So yeah, yeah, the
whole attitude thing. And we'll see if that changes with
the new coach, Clint Kubiak, which is great. You never
need to learn the name of the Raiders coach because
they change every year. And I have in my head
the cartoon bubble on my head. Mark Davis goes in
and he's all right, we'll fire in the coach and
(10:29):
he throws the paperwork at some assistant with the Raiders up.
Figure out how to pay this guy, you know, raise
the price of nachos a dollars.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well, we'll pay this guy, and that'll be that.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I feel like this coach could actually stick. This quarterback
could actually stick. And for the first time, Ben there's
a big name player where fans will actually go to
a Legion stadium to see that one player.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
As opposed to Max Crosby, who's I guess on his
way out right.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Come on, Glazier, he's reporting some bullshit. That was a
comp station during the season. They weren't Max Crosby's words.
It's what Jake Glazer took from it. Okay, that's fine,
but why now, why didn't you report that back then?
Why is he reporting that now on radio row at
the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
He doesn't I think, you know what, Okay, I don't
know all the personal assault. No, he wants attention. Okay,
well yeah, but look at these people. This is unbelievable
to me.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
This is like I feel like I'm in remember that
show Entourage, Like every time I come to these radio
row things, It's it's surreal because you have these athletes
surrounded by handlers, like two or three pr people trying
to get attention.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
It's it's a.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Little A lot happens in two months though in sports
behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, I know. But damn when he was Flave of
Flav right when Yo Flave no.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Wave, he's he's so programmed not to acknowledge anyone. He
just kept walking total room. He was on CNR last year,
was on the Super Bowl state. I like these walking
like we're in the kind of the side and.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, yeah he had dark sunglasses on eating him and
see us.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, he was like Stevie Wonder.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
But it does appear there's a crod that's going over
there to try to get a hold of flavor flave
right there. I was going to bring him over to
the podcast, but you know he's not a big enough name.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Back to trashing Jay Glazer. Okay, so be care be
very careful, my man, third rail, ma man.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
So listen, Since all that went down during the season
and they shut Crosby down for those final two games, yeah,
the Fernando path became clear and there was even quotes
from Crosby saying that kid's going to be great.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I'm a new fan of his.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Things settled down to where he got his surgery and
he was like, okay, he could kind of see the path.
But back when he was just pissed off and he
didn't want to be shut down, he was frustrated. Of
course he was. He's a warrior. He wanted to play.
But take those emotions and that feeling then and where
he's at right now, two different places.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, well, well see, I don't know, we need content
for the offseason, Dan, I know you love the Raiders,
but we need we need good content, and that would
be a decent name. And now that's the next thing
after the super Bowl, and it just hasn't been too
much excitement.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I mean, dude, I think the NBA trade deadline was weak.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, normally people kind of live off of that, Yeah
a little bit. Yeah, and we didn't get Janis or
John Moran just got your boy Harden.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
What is still wrong with the Clippers? Harden had a
meltdown and Viza Zubats No more Zubats.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Going to the end of two favorite Clippers. Well, we are.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Hanging out plausibly live on on podcast. Unless we're not
from Radio Row in San Francisco. If you need any fentanyl,
you can.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Come down here. You've had some good guests the last
couple of days. Well we've been we've been okay.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
But we have today on the on the Big Baffosco
Saturday Extravaganza.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Chance to catch up with the guy that.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Called, Oh, he's on the sidelines for like every big
moment about twenty what do you think twenty years ago
or so?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
About nineties?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
More than that, dude, he's got a museum and I
know we're one and only Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
That's right, buddies with Tom Brady. In fact, I will
get to the bottom. The Malor Investigated Bureau has been
activated here, Danny.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
We're going to get to the bottom of.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
How Jim Gray became besties with the greatest quarterback of
all time, Tom Brady, And we'll get to the bottom
of that.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
And this conversation we had a few minutes ago we
walk him in.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
He was on NBC sideline report booked the Michael Jordan
retirement story the first time the great Jim Gray joined us.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Now in the fifth hour, good to see it. How
you been for you? It's good to be with you, Ben.
I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I back in the day when I first got in
the media, I was at the Laker games at the Forum,
and I saw you from time to time.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
You were hanging out back in those days, and yeah, yeah,
great times.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Oh yeah, well awesome in the eighty seven, much different
vibe though, right the whole what's it been like for
you being in the media business all these years?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
The difference.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I know, you're doing a podcast and you've been a
bunch of the media stuff, But back then it was
a totally different animal.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
And then now, oh my god, well there was only
three networks. The advent of cable television and then cable
cable long and so that changed everything. And then the
proliferation of talk radio and then the Internet finally arrived
and now we have streaming, so you know, it's just
all you know, it's just all come together in a hurry.
(15:16):
But you know, you could kind of see it, but
you didn't expect it because when I was a kid,
we were listening to you know, the radio, and then
you had the vinyl records, and then you had the cassette,
then you had the eight track, and then that went away,
and then you finally you know, worked its way all
the way up to you know the ie not the iPod, yeah, yeah,
(15:40):
iPhone and the digits, the streaming services. So you could
kind of see the evolution coming, but I don't think
any of us expected UH to grow in the fashion
that it has and the explosion that it's become.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
And you've kept up with it, right, you get the
podcast stuff going on your whatever the platform is, Jim
Gray is going.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
To be there.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well you have to.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
I mean, you know, if if if you don't move,
I mean, it's not we're still not riding in horses
and buggies. And then the model t if you don't
move with it, it just leaves you behind. So you
don't want to be standing out in the middle.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Of the road.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
You know, you want to you just move with the times,
and time passes and and you've got you've got to
change with it.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
What about the from the TV perspective with all the
streaming and all that. I mean, you were on network
television back when, as you said, there was only a
few channels.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Now, before the advent of Fox. We're now on Fox
Sports Radio. There wasn't even a Fox. Yeah, you know,
there wasn't you know. I was at CBS when we
lost the rights. I was doing the games with Madden
and Summer all in the NFL today, Yeah, it's great
Gumble and Terry Bradshaw and legends, let's Leavesser and Pat
O'Brian and I Yeah, so we uh we saw Fox
(16:49):
take that and Rupert was always been way ahead of
his time, and boy did he jump out there and
made a huge gamble on the NFL and the building
the network and no one believed in it.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
And now look what it is today. Yeah, it's unbelievable.
It's all over the place.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And in your run in TV and all that.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
So I did the one.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
There's a couple of things that you did that like
were I mean, you've did done everything. But the I
remember when you broke You broke the Jordan story right
when he was retiring. That was like, I don't think
people can grasp now who are younger, like Jordan was
the king, and like, what do you You can't retire
even in the prime of his career, and you had
(17:32):
that before everyone else.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
It was a big surprise. It was a big surprise.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
We were at the baseball game for the White Sox
playoff game and Michael had thrown out.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
The first pitch.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Yeah, And so it's a funny story because it relates
to somebody who now works at Fox. And we had
gotten word that Michael was going to retire, and he
was sitting up in Jerry Reinsdorf's box and Datelines NBC
or one of the NBC new shows, okay that had
mentioned something, but they hadn't had whatever it was the
(18:04):
confirmation from Michael. So I went up to the box
where Michael was sitting with Jerry Reinsdorf and there was
another man by the name of Eddie Einhorn who was
a minority partner and he was a great legendary television
man himself, Eddie Einhorn, and he was Reinstorf's partner, and
we couldn't get in because the door was locked. So
I went to the booth next door and stuck my
head out in a hurry box window at the new
(18:27):
Kaminski Stadium, it was the new stadium, and I stuck
my head around and I said, Eddie, come over. Here
is Michael Jordan retiring. And he was sitting next to
Hinsdorf and he went, I said, can you confirm that?
And Jerry went shook his head. Einhord shook his head.
Michael was in the back. I said, can I talk
(18:48):
to him? He said, well, no, he's in the back.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Of the booth. He's not doing interviews. I said, what
can I say?
Speaker 6 (18:55):
He says, there'll be a press conference tomorrow out at
the Bulls Facility in Dearborn.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
And I so I was with another guy by the
name of Eric Shanks. You know who he was.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Yeah, he was our broadcast associate, our beat He became
a big mobile, a president of sport.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I would I would say yes.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
So he was with me, okay, and we ran down
the hallway when Michael came out and we jumped in
the elevator with him as he was getting into his
car and Michael didn't want to answer any questions. Yeah, camera,
but he nodded in an affirmation that we had the
story right. So I ran out there and put it
on the air. Greg Gumbel and Jim Cott were doing
the game. Did they know in advance or did you
broke the story? You broke whatever? Ending it was.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, that was crazy, how big that was.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
And then the next day, obviously at the Dearborn, he
retired for the first time.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, that was insane at the time. I remember, reaction
was like and this was before social media, so you
know that was before the internet. Yeah, before the exactly
before the Internet and all that stuff. What about it now?
I assume I'm gonna ask you but the debate the
Lebron Jordan, I'm team Jordan. Lebron's obviously been great and wonderful,
and all I said, where do you fall on that?
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Like you diminish Lebron when you say Jordan, I say, Michael,
all right, it sounds like you diminish Lebron. Yeah, and
I don't. He's great, He's fabulous. I mean, look at
the records that he said. But to me, it's Jordan. Yeah,
And you know, I don't. I don't find it to
(20:26):
be close. But I think Lebron's sensational. I think Lebron,
you know, he broke all the records. He broke Kareem's record.
Look at the longevity that he's had, look at how
great he's been, the number of championships that he's had,
the places where he's won championships in three cities, Miami, Cleveland,
Los Angeles. So you know, it's hard to compare eras,
(20:50):
and it's hard to compare people. I just think that Jordan,
for what he was, for that moment, had separated himself.
Now you get a lot of folks today who will
think just the opposite, and they're entitled to their opinion,
and I don't diminish it.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
But I'm a Jordan. I would say Jordan.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah, I'm on team Jordan too, And that's like the
last I would say Jordan, maybe Kobe.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Because of the social media war that we're in now, right,
the impact that Jordan became as big as he became
without social media, anybody after this, and who knows what's
next after social media.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I can only imagine thirty years from now what the
world's going to be like, but.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Well, Ali was bigger than all of them, and that
was all the word of mouth. Yeah, okay, only was
bigger than Jordan. Yeah, the legend more well known around
the world, probably than anybody on the planet, including the Pope.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Who've had, you know, billions of followers. Yeah, for sure.
And I got to ask you do a podcast.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
You've done work with Tom Brady your friends obviously the time.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
How did that begin?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
How did you I mean did you was it through
the media or like, how did you and Tom create
this bond?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
You know?
Speaker 6 (21:54):
I interviewed him for his first Super Bowl in a
pre game. I was on Westwood One. I interviewed him
for the pregame. Then he won the game, so I
interviewed him after the game on Westwood one in the
field and I was with NBC at the time, So
I said, Tom, will you come back out after you
shower and do your obligations for the Today Show? So
we did an interview on the Today Show. So he
did three interviews in the course of whatever those three
(22:16):
days were, two days whatever. Yeah, and then he comes
back the following year. Then he's in three out of four,
you know, and he's doing and so we just had
a professional relationship and he would see me at his
best times winning Super Bowls. Yeah, okay, so we just
became friendly professionally personally. So at that time I was
(22:41):
on Westwood One and Tom had won those three Super
Bowls and he would spend some time in southern California.
And I was doing the radio show on Westwood One
with Don Shula, Mike Dick and Don Shula doing the
pregame and I saw Tom out with his watching his
I think it was two or three year old son, Jack,
(23:04):
two year old son hitting tennis balls, and I said, hey, Tom,
good to see and we just talked on the side
of the tennis court. I said, hey, coach Shula is
going to retire. And I believe this was two thousand
and eight. Okay, remember the year. Would you like to
do the pregame in the halftime on Monday Night Football
(23:24):
with me? Like coach Shula does take over? He says, well,
what does that entail? I said, well, we'll tape the
pregame and then you have to be live at halftime.
And our museum director Howard Denaroff, who runs the Hall
of Excellence for US, was the executive producer at Westwood One.
I called Howard, I said, you know, I talked to Tom.
He's going to think about it. Tom called back a
week or two later and he said, talk to my agent,
(23:45):
Steve Duban dubin Andy, I'd like to do this.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
And I was astonished. And guess what we've done it
ever since. That's great, No, I know, you guys have
been synonymous.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
And halftime, he would call in at halftime, do it live.
And then we left Westwood one in two thousand and
one and we created the podcast and went over to
Sirius XM to do an hour and we had Larry
Fitzgerald with us, and so we've done the podcast ever since.
And now the podcast is more because Tom, you know,
has a lot of Fox responsibility, so he's a regular
guest now and yeah, here's all the time. And Belichick
(24:19):
took his place full time, and then Bill went back
to work at You and You and c. Yeah, and
so we got Matthew Stafford this year. So we're hoping
Matthew wins this MVP. That's right, this is it, I know,
and it is even Bill continue to MaTx Crosby and
Peter Kane.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
That's great.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
And you mentioned Oh, you mentioned the Hall of Fame
or the museum in Vegas. Right, tell me about that.
I go to Vegas all the time. All of excellence,
all of excellence.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
So in at the Fountain Blue Loss, what can we
you know the listener, what can they expect?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
They're in Vegas, they were looking for something to do
during the day. What can they expect when.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
They're going to the greatest sports artifacts in the history
of sports. We have three hundred and twenty five of them,
all of excellence on the second floor the Fountain Blue,
Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
We great partner.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
They built as a great museum, and Jeffrey Sofer owns
the hotel. Maurice Wooden runs it. He's the president. It's
been terrific for us to be able to open in July.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
We have everything.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
From Jackie Robinson's bat to break the Color Barrier to
Babe Ruth called shot bat, to Tom Brady's seven Super
Bowl rings, to Tom Coff's Clara jug to Oprah Winfrey's
Medal of Freedom, to Simone Biles Leotard from her.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
First It's great.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
How do you bring her first gold medal in Rio
Katie Ledecki when she won in Paris. We've got her
swimsuit with Michael Phelps jacket that he wore on the
victory platform when the only guy to win eight gold
medals in any Olympics in Beijing, so it's in there.
We've got Lebron james first jersey the night he played
in Sacramento for the for the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
We got the basket that he broke.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Kareem Abdul Jabbar's record with Kobe Bryant's net when he
scored eighty one points.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
How'd you get all? How are you going to it?
I owned?
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Other people have contributed to lou for display. We have
private collectors like David Kohler from the Lakers Shrine has
given us some great Lakers items, Magic Johnson's shoes he
gave us and from their repeat, and he's given us
something from Will Chamber.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
The only known artifact from the one hundred point game.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
When Will broke that record is the score book, the
original scorebook signed by Will. So there's something for everybody.
And we also have a lot of entertainment. It's the
only place in the country where the egot is on display.
Emmy Oscar, Grammy and Tony the Egot Award. We have
the Oscar for Unforgiven from Clint Eastwood, his first Oprah
(26:42):
Winfrey's Tony from The Color Purple and her Emmy from
Her Great Show and justin Timberlake's Grammy. And we also
have if you walk down, if you walk down the
strip right now in Las Vegas, now you're walking down,
you're walking down, Well, what would you see? Thirty five
to forty times were just walking there's one thing you
would see.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
What would you think be part of the strip. We
look like any part of the strip if you just
want a part of the string over the place.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Yeah, you'd also probably see thirty five to forty Elvis
Presley in person. Oh yeah, of course, yes, the Kings,
Long Live the King. We have his first suit that
he ever wore for the first concert that he gave
in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Hanging is that right night that.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
He appeared at the International Hotel that's loaned to us
from Graceland.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
That's awesome, Yeah, that's right. So and it's at the
Fountain Fountain Blue right.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
There, and you come in, we give you an iPhone. Okay,
we get a thirty two minute guided tour by Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Oh, the grace of God, that's right.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
So you get to hear Morgan Freeman walk you through
and uh, what he does, he does just a great job.
And yeah, and we're so thrilled that's done that. And
then on each art fact, each artifact that you go through, uh,
when you hit the button on your iPhone, it pulls
(28:07):
up the highlight from when it was used.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Oh, so you can see that. That's great.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
And we have great we have the great voices, all
of the great voices who have brings the stories alive.
Bob Costas for baseball, Jim nance Sure for uh for golf,
Oprah Winfrey for entertainment, Andre's Canter for soccer, Doc Emeric,
the great Doc Emrick he does all of the hockey.
(28:32):
Tom Brady does all of the football. I do the
boxing great, And so you get all those voices.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Marv Albert for basketball. Can I play something for twenty Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
let's say.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Let's put it right up in the mice here there were.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I heard the voice there. Let's do that again. That's live.
So here we go before you so.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Rare that a real legitimate comparison does not exist. I'm movin.
Freeman and together. We'll explore or space without president, hundreds
of items that cannot be found anywhere.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Else on this planet.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Welcome to the Hall of Excellence inside Defonte and Blue,
Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Oh that's great, that's awesome. I'm going to have to
go in there and some of him in town. Money
come by, Come on checkers, get a discount? Am I
a senior? Wait all youth? You know we let in
for free? Oh good? Do the kids everry discount that?
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Residents discount free parking at the Fountain lou Come on in,
all right, we'll get.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
You out on this little Jim. The super Bowl is
on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Any prediction, what do you think is going to happen
on Super Bowl Sunday.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I'm going to say what Tom Brady said.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Okay, okay, he said if they played ten times, Seattle
would win six.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
So Seattle I think.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Okay, I'm gonna go with him. He seems to know
pretty well. Thanks for doing this, Gym.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I appreciate it. You had a great career.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
I appreciate you letting us talk about all of excellent,
awesome sharing stories.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
They're great.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Jim Gray, Hell yeah, all right, great to have the man.
Jim Gray. You know we've we've had Jim. Actually, I
think it's a listener. I was he was seemed excited.
I don't know, Danny. I'm always skeptical when people say
they listen and they enjoy the show and they want
to talk to me, because I always think everyone's full
(30:23):
of crap.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Wait, but some of the NFL media, like Kevin Well,
he does NBA as well, Harlan Yeah, yeah, there are Yeah,
there are guys like that that actually do.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
No I know, but I'm always like, I'm like, is
this guy you don't believe it.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I'm always skeptical. But he seemed like Jim.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I think Jim does occasionally listen to the Overnight Show.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I know he loves radio. I know he talked about
that and he's a big radio He.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Said something about blind Scott when he was leaving that
he wanted an autograund.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
You wanted to hear hollering James snore and I said,
I can't do that.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I'm sorry, but I was like, damn, well, he really
is a listener.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
There's a Barry Sanders randomly walking by trying to avoid people.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
He's going He's going to go through the app back
side here.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
See this is good because where we're at, all these
people they come wandering by here to get out there
you go a see no wave. I didn't get awave.
I got a head nod. Yeah, I get ahead nod.
So I just got in the in. During this fifth
hour podcast, Danny flavor Flame did not acknowledge me, and
Barry Sanders, the Great Lion Player did not as they
walked by.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
So I'm older and gave Ben Maller a stiff arm.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
He looked the other way, and I would too if
I looked at myself, I would look the other way.
All right, we'll get out of here. We get the
mail bag. On Sunday, we are at Radio Row. Was
excited to be in San Francisco inside the secured facility.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Yeah, Ben get with twenty twenty six. This is called
media road. No, no screw that. I'm a radio Okay.
I got in a radio till I died. It is
the classic term that has been grand fought. Like I
still call the Washington commanders of the Redskins racist. Anyway,
we'll catch you on the mail bag on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
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