July 19, 2025 • 40 mins
LaVar Arrington & TJ Houshmandzadeh discuss the resignation of NFLPA executive Lloyd Howell Jr during the ongoing collusion scandal, the 911 call from Quinshon Judkins recent legal issue, how TJ Watt's deal affects other guys at his position as they look for new deals, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is a game.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Let me quick count the count, let me putch out.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
You want thatfl experience, and this is the show for you.
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Third Law with LaVar ary Tet as a defensive guy.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
TJ. Houshman Zanna.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
I'm just bringing the viewers into how grown men in
the locker room, Like I don't play with some dude
that you disrespect them anyway, it didn't matter who it
was they was putting hands on you and Blaxic Cobur,
they are the same person, the same exact quarterback.
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It's a show with three and the best to ever
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from the Fox Sports Radio studios, here's pro bowlers LeVar
airy Tet and TJ. Hushman Zhanna.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
All Right, all right, Happy Saturday to everybody out there.
I hope you're enjoying yourself.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Hope you're enjoying today. I hope you got some good
weather out there.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
You're playing on, giving you guys a good show, giving
you some content, giving you some good stories.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It says up on games.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
D J.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Huschman is out of I'm Leavar Arrington plutch Coat is
out for the day. You got some duties to handle
on that basketball circuit, that AAU.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm phenomenal at what I do. Daughter's circuit. We got
cuffs of legend coming in on hour two. Got a
lot to get you today. Yeah, let's get right to it, man.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
But before we do that, you know, we always got
to start to show off. How you feeling, man, patteen
man in affect? How how's everything going?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Man?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
How you feeling? Ah?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Man, I'm good and speaking of the AAU circuit. When
cuffs come on next hour, I want to bring up
a discussion. Somebody got caught cheating and I want to
see what cuff stinks about all this fourteen year olds
playing with twelve year olds and a tournament.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
People allowing it.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
But man, slight overcasts out here, Levary as you yesterday
it was a little overcasting about ten o'clock. It got
clearest guys of dom Tree he lit seeing the next hour.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
What's gonna happen? Man? But I'm feeling good, bro feeling
really good.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Well, I'll tell you who isn't feeling good. H Former
nfl p A president Lloyd Howe Junior, he has resigned.
There are all kinds of interesting reports coming up. One
report that has surfaced strip club expenses.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Under that, I.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Mean, it sounds like these dudes is at the top
running a month TJ.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Like, let's let's get into it.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Man, What's what's your first what's your first reaction to
to this hitchinery.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
That's going on with the NFL PA.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Lovrd The reason I'm laughing, Bro, did you recall what
I told you last week when I met him? What like,
we went to dinner and I told you that it
was last week? Correct? Well, yeah, it was it last week.
I believe I believe it was last week's show. Okay,
So at that dinner he had one witting m Now.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
What she did, but hm.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Hmm she was expensed. We do know that.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I know, I know.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
She bb l m hm uh yeah. I just thought
it was a lot younger, but I was. But I'm
gonna be honest. Though I like Lloyd how I mean,
I found him personable, I founding to be it was different.
I will say this, man, And no disrespect to de
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Maurice Smith. Gene Upshaw is missed, Bro, may rest in peace.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Man.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Gene Upshaw is missed because I was a player rep
when Gene Upshaw was executive director. And Jean was in
that thing like he commanded the room with such respect.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And and he was.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Going to approach it in a professional manner, and if
need be, he was going to approach it in a
different manner.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
And that leadership is missed.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Man. I wish Troy Vincent would have been able to
succeed him.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I fought for him to Now.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
One bro, it was literally four to five of us
in that room, like like literally ready to fight for Troy.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And you know Troy won't in the room.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Nobody noticed but the four or five that was in there,
and I was one of the four to five, And
I just feel like, all this that's coming out now,
man is is it's crazy? You you got everybody wants
to know what happened to collusion? Oh no, no, no,
nothing has happened. Nothing has happened. Pablo Torres finds out
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now that the nf LP in the NFL agreed to
keep it basically keep it secretive, keep it a secret.
And so now when when it's the NFLP as Lloyd
Howe is J. C. Tretdor who was a president, It's like, wait,
do you guys work for the players, You guys are
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getting paid.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Hold on, don't you want to restate that. Shouldn't you say,
don't you work for the players? What do you work
for the players?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Right?
Speaker 5 (05:29):
The question, I wouldn't even say that as a statement.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I would ask that.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Question, yeah, because it's almost as if the players are
working for you the way you guys are going about things.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And so, now who's going to be the executive director?
If J. C.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Tredder is up for it, that's another conflict of interest because.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You were a part of you're part of it keeping.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
It secret, and so I just want I just want
more answers as to why why was it kept a secret?
Because to me, as a retired player, to me, there's
one thing that all players that are playing and all
players that are retired need and should guaranteed have, and
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that's medical insurance. Our game is by far the cruelest
game in the world, by far the most violent game
in the world, and we don't have insurance when you retire.
That to me should be a non negotiable, non negotiable.
If you played X amount of years, you should get
medical insurance and they can figure that out by oh,
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if you play five years, you get this. If you
play six years, you get this, so forth and so on.
If you played more than ten years, you should get
lifetime medical insurance. But something has to be done, and
then you're hiding things and keeping things seek why. That's
my biggest thing, is why. But I like Lloyd Howe
from that meeting. But meeting somebody one time and seeing
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who they are as a person is not an indication
who they are all the time. But my interaction with him,
I liked him, But the strip club had me laughing
because he had one would he And I'm not saying
that's where she came from, but that was just my thought.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
When I heard that, I.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Said, you might not have been wrong.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I don't like nobody when I first meet him at
forty seven years old, TJ.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I don't like nobody. Bottom line.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
I don't care if you agree with it, if you don't,
if you disagree with it. Who's LeVar thinking is LeVar?
LaVar is the king of Levar's world. That's who I am.
I don't like nobody when I first meet him, because
I feel like everybody's full of ass until you prove
that it's worth me not feeling that way.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That's just how I look at you.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
You know, I'm a very very i'll say paranoid might
be a little strong, but I am a very very
cautious person because I have gotten burned by close people.
You know, I've gotten burned by people that had presented
themselves as friendly, has presented themselves as coherent, and you know,
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about their business and seemingly, you know, bright, you know,
seemingly could be trustworthy, and they, you know, they pull
fast ones. It's con artist type action out here these days,
and I feel like it's worse than twenty twenty five.
I feel like social media has made being a fake, phony,
con artist. It's made it way more relevant. You get
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paid for it in a lot of cases. It's just
we live in a different world, you know. This this
situation TJ left me with a lot of questions, bro,
and a few of the burning questions were the first.
The first thing I thought was what else? What else
is being headed?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
What else? What else is there that we haven't seen?
Speaker 5 (08:43):
You know, we want to make jokes about John Gruton
talking about Demorris's lips in an email, and it came
out because they was going after somebody else. And it
turns out that this comes out and then it turns
into a whole smoke screen. It's like you lose sight
of what the main focus is because oh, we're looking
at that John gruten.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Is a racist? Like is it a racist? I don't care.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
I want to know what the bottom line is on
what this this this investigation holds for the owner of
this team. That's what I wanted to know. But there
was a smoke screen. There was there was a transference
of attention and it was started. It was given to
towards something like race, right, race relations. Now I'm paying
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more attention at least we're splitting the focus off of
what the real issue is versus what we can feed
the people and they'll run with it and then this
will take some heat off of it. I feel like
strip club expenses, you know. I feel like I feel
like things where you start to throw these types of
things out there. You are now trying to throw out
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that same smoke screen that came out when the whole
the More Smith and then John Grutin and the Dan
Snyder stuff happened. It's like, you know, it's like you're.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Trying to redirect us.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Yeah, you're trying to like dilute the main issue and
now it's like, I'll put their attention over here. So
that's my first question is where is That's my burning question?
What like there should be a bigger investigation after something
like this, because to me, how do you say, Okay,
he resigned and we're just going to move on.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
This was all on Lloyd?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
How do you really think in your mind that Lloyd
Howe Junior was moving and operating and doing things on
his own accord. He was a single entity executing all
the fraudulent things that were taking place with the NFL PA.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I call bs. That's cap all the way.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
There's a bigger issue here, and I wonder how deep
that rabbit hole goes.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
That's the first thing.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
What else is out there that is actually there's a
cooperative effort taking place between a union leader and the
and the employers. That's first question. Then my second biggest one,
and I'll stop with two. I'll stop with two because
I feel like two is relevant. The second question is, well,
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we'll do three. We'll do three. Second one is do
I have a legal lawsuit? Because if I'm somebody who
is in the NFL, and I take a look at
my contract again and I look at my language in
the contract again.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And if I had some direct.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Conversations about guaranteed money and I didn't get that in
like the last couple of years, and I'm looking at
my contract.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Can I sue the NFL PA?
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Can I sue the NFL and listen, that may that
may compromise my employment? I get that you got to
take all the different things in the consideration, the elements
of it all. But do I have is this a
class actionable lawsuit deal? Is there a whole bunch of
players that could come together and be like damn, Like
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the language in my contract keeps me away from guaranteed money.
And I can recall that being a direct conversation that
took place with my employer.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And yet I have the union who gets involved.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
At every turn they get involved, you see it in
the media, at every turn they get involved. And yet
you're keeping secrets, you're agreeing to keep secrets as relevant
as this.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I want to know why.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
I want to know if there's more, and I want
to know if I have a lawsuit because you might
have costed me millions of dollars based off of this
known information. The last one, I'll say, TJ. The last
question I would would say is where do you go
from here? If you are a player in the National
Football League, where do you go from here? Because there
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can be no How can you have any trust? How
can you have any real confidence in the NFLPA moving
forward from here? How do you rep present our best
interest as players when you have information like this that surfaces?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And that's why correct, and that's why J. C.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Tredder being up for executive director is mind boggling to me.
You were a part of keeping these things secretive. You're
a part of that. How the hell are you up
now for the same position that a guy just got,
that a guy resigned for under pressure for doing the
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same thing. I don't understand that. I don't understand that.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
The whole thing is a bad, bad look. And I'm
curious to see how big of a deal this becomes.
Does it get minimized, does it get brushed under the
carpet we're right on the eve of a new season,
or does this thing grow more legs than what it
already has.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I'm so curious to see. I just know this.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
If I were an active player, or if I were
if my son was in the league right now, the
conversations we would be having right now is figuring out
what is the legal recourse connected.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
To Honestly, LeVar, Honestly, let's speak as if we were
young players, because I'll be honest, when I came into
the league, Bri, I didn't give a damn about what
was going on in the PA. I could care less
and I believe and there's a lot of players that
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have that same mind frame, that same are the same
mindset and state of mind is they don't care about that.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
They'll lead that to whoever else.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
As I got older, then it became like okay, because
I was asked to be a rep.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And so then you start to.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Realize, oh my god, there's a lot of things that
I had no idea existed in the language.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
It is directly impact you. Yes, you just talked about health.
This one impacts your money. It is a monetary impact
on all of them.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
But it is differentially because you're coming into league, you're
meeting with the NFLPA.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
You can't have a moment of saying I didn't know
or I'm here I don't care. Like, yes, it's complicated
because you have guys that, if you think about it,
they're not even going to be around to have some
of the benefits of what take place with collective bargaining
agreements because they're not in the league long enough, and
that happens more often than the latter. But the bottom
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line is is that for one, you got a handful
of guys that this one hundred percent impacts the highest
level players in the National Football League are hit the
hardest by this, this information that has been ascertained.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
That's one.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
But then two, there's there's like at least two or
three levels of player an employment level that this matters.
This matters. I'm telling you, I'm curious if it turns
into a bigger deal than what it what it is
right now. I mean, it is a big deal, but
I'm curious as to how much bigger it will get
in strip club expenses. That that's crazy. Don't get confused
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it the Yeah, keep your on the one strip club
like that's the first thing for you. Oh, that's what
football players do. That's that's that's football culture. Like, Hey,
you go to strip clubs. Good, Hey, listen, I've been
in the strip clubs. I don't have no problem with
saying that. But the bottom line here is is that
you're expensing strip club visits. The NFL p A is
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on the players on the players tab. Come on, man,
something ain't right here. Something when they say what they
say in football terms and other things too. You smell
a rat, there's a rat. If you smell a rat,
believe that there's a rat there. Anyway, we're going to
keep the conversations going. We're going to take a quick break.
On the other side of break, running back Quinn Shawn Jenkins.
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This is an interesting topic because it's not clear cut,
and I'll explain it to you. We'll talk about it
on the other side of break. You're listening to up
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We'll be talking contracts.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
TJ. Watt got paid. Yeah, and it's.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Saturday, but he did get paid on what a Friday,
I believe maybe Thursday.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Anyway.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
We'll talk about that, but right now, this is a
tough one, TJ. This is a tough conversation to have.
There never easy, but one hundred percent necessary. We got
the situation with running back Brown's running back Quinn Shawn Judkins.
It's a domestic balance situation. He was arrested in Fort
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Lauderdale for the incident. He got out on bond. The
Browns have told him to not report in with the Rookies, but.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
To handle the legal situation.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Focusing on that before you come back around, so that
obviously the Browns are aware of what's taking place and
what has happened. But before I get your reaction on it,
I'm just very very intrigued by this story because you know,
it's it's it's almost taboo to ever question a woman
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when battery, you know, domestic, when when you hear domestic
and balance, it's almost taboo to challenge the credibility or
validity of what happens, what fully took place when those
words are mentioned. So before we get a you know,
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opinion on what took place, let's take a listen to
the nine one one call that took.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Place days later. Let me set the stage for you.
Picture up at the airport. She's there.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Apparently the altercation, alleged altercation took place at the airport
or somewhere something to that effect. She stays and celebrates
her birthday, so she's there for I believe five days,
and then decides to call nine one one after the
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fact and then report it after the fact. Now, at first,
I was like, this doesn't add up, it doesn't make sense.
But if you listen to what she says in the
nine to one one call, she basically tells you that's
exactly what she did. Let's take a listen, and then
let's get some reaction to it.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
I thought that we could work through it, and obviously
we couldn't. I'm trying to do the right thing now.
But the situation happened on Tuesday. Monday is early Tuesday,
so like around like two am, three am Tuesday, because
that would.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Have been July eighth.
Speaker 8 (21:14):
You have to go to the hospital for any medical treatment.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
I didn't go to the hospital for a minute, but
col treatment. But I will say that I am still
in pain and I have a lot more of my
story to tell. I just need you and I still
have visible bruises and evidence on my body of the event.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Now it has at the end of which it didn't.
It didn't didn't air on that, but at the end,
he says, I'm sending an officer out there if you can,
if you guys can pull that up, because I don't
do it any justice.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
If you can hear.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
At the end of the call TJ. She says to
the dispatcher, awesome, that's awesome. All right, help me out understand.
What do you mean that's awesome? Like you waited to
call nine one one, then you call nine one one
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after the fact, But you clearly, you clearly stated you
thought that we could work through this. You've played in
the league and you probably have dealt with this way
more than I had because you a pretty boy. Ugly dudes,
we will a little bit more, will, a little bit
more protective because you know, it ain't too many that
come at us, but y'all, y'all be having so many
people come at y'all.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
You're probably well versed in this.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Wanting to work through something, wanting to work through something
before you it sounds as though something happened.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
They mixed it up. It was probably on equal ground.
They mixed it up.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
She wanted to see how everything was going to play out,
enjoyed her time there. Something else probably happened during that
time frame that upset her even more, and she's getting back.
It's a get back situation. She didn't like the way
the things was handled. He didn't tell her or say
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to her.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
What she wanted to hear.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
So now I'm going to punish you, And the best
way I'm going to punish you is by going after
your reputation, by going after your career and altering the situation.
That's what I took from from this situation. Now, whether
I'm right or whether I'm wrong, it's just an opinion.
I'm not putting. I'm not on record in a court
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saying I would need to know more information, what led
what led up to the alleged altercation, what was said,
what happened, what roles that people play in. There's a
lot of holes that need to be filled in. But
just based off of what I heard, the fact that
you were there for like five more days, five more
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days I believe it was after the alleged incident took place,
and you didn't go to the doc, you didn't go
to the hospital, you didn't get get it on record,
didn't get.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
It on file. It just says to me, this was a.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Situation that could possibly It could be a couple of things.
It could be y'all always are fighting. There are toxic
relationship people out here all over the place, and that's
how they communicate. That's how they love. That's how they
get through things. They do things in a weird way
where you question it, that's y'all's business. But where this
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is at right now, this totally says to me that
this person is trying to get she's retaliating almost against
the young man that's involved in this, not exonerating him.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
For what the what the charge is what she's alleging.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
It's very possible that what happened, what took place, is
he put his hands on her.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
So let's start there.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Don't put your hands on a person, like don't don't
put your hands on them. But in listening to this
in context, it sounds as though we need more information
because she decided to report this to nine one one.
By the way, you could have drove to the police
station and did whatever like you called nine one one
as if this was an emergency.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
That's what nine one one is for.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
You could have drove to to a you know, a
police station in the area, a local police station, and
filed a report and did this the way that you
know you would do. After the fact, she chose to
call nine one one and then ended the call with
that's awesome, Like what's happy about it like, I don't
know what's your take on it?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
What, what's your what's your your perspective on this?
Speaker 4 (25:35):
First off, LeVar, Me and LeVar are very similar. LeVar
is a man that has three daughters. I have three daughters.
If anybody that my daughter's date put their hands on
my kids or my homies kids and they call me
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forty seven forty seven, right now, I live a good
life these last twenty five years. I promise you, I
promise you. It's gonna get handled how it gets handled,
and I'm not afraid of whatever comes with it. I'm
not you touch my kids, my girls, I promise you,
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or my homies and they hit me up. It's gonna
go how it goes, and I'm okay with whatever comes
from that. Now I'll say this man, it's just we
don't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
We don't.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
We don't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
We do not.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
But what I find just puzzling is.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
It happened, allegedly happened, and you stay for five days
and then you realize it wasn't gonna work, so now
I'm gonna report it. So it's as if he didn't
do anything to me. And then when I realized we're
gonna break up. That just pissed me off. So now
I'm going to get you in trouble. Whether he did
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something to her or he did not do something to her,
his reputation is forever damaged.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
He's coming into the league. What they no pun intended.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Black eye. They told him to stay away. And if
and this is a big if, he didn't do anything
to this young lady. Something needs to start happening to
these people that are accusing people of doing things to them.
(27:36):
That is not the case. I'm tired of. They did
this to me, comes out. It wasn't true that everybody
walks away. Everybody away. It's a it's not even talked about.
It's not even talked about. It's not even talked about.
That they didn't do anything. But the opportunity for them
(27:57):
to pursue their dream, the opportunity for them to make
a lot of money doing something that they've done for free.
Their entire life may be gone. But if you men
players who are it's not just athlete, just a man
in general. Bro, I don't care what a woman is doing.
Don't put your hands on her. Walk away being a
(28:20):
darn and communicate like we have all been angry, we
have all reached that point like, oh, Walkway, like putting it.
What can she do to us? We are so much
physically stronger than a woman like walk Away. Compose yourself
at a time when your anger is through the roof.
(28:42):
Don't put your hands on it, because you're gonna run
into a dad like myself and LeVar that now it's
an a or not with me, and they oh.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Let the court system handle that. I am the courts
with this.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
And then they can handle it, and then they can
handle me.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
And yeah, I don't know enough about it to say,
but I do find it very puzzling.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
That's five days later, and celebrated the.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Birthday, which means they was partying. They was partying, Like,
let's let's call a spade a spade. They were partying,
and she was enjoying her birthday, the festivities probably why
she flew down there in the first place. And it's
just it's when it's a situation of speculation like this.
When her own words, at her own admission, she said,
(29:30):
I felt bad for him because of all of the
success he was having. That's why I didn't report it immediately.
If you just landed in Fort Lauderdale.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Because you were gonna partake in that success, and then
you realize you weren't gonna partake in as success, so
now you ain't gonna get any of the success.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Why it's so hard? Why is it so hard for
people to have that conversation? Why is it so condemning?
If if the approach to the conversation is the one
we're having right now, because I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
If by which, by the way, I make very clear.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
To the young men who date my daughters, and two
of them are in college, I know your two are
out and you got a baby that we at that
stage man to where it's like, hey bro, I'm telling
you now, hey bro, and day one though day one,
if I meet you, I'm gonna let you know like
I don't know you, so I don't.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Know you well enough to like you or to hate you.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
What I do know is is that you're important enough
where my daughter has brought you to me to seek
my opinion and my approval on who you are. That's
what I do know. That's all I have right now,
that's all I have to go on. I can look
at you. I can make a judgment off of the
way you look, whatever it may be, the way you're dressed,
the way you walk, the way you're.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Communicating with me.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
I can draw a whole lot of different conclusions, but
I don't know the essence of who you truly are
until I have time around you. So the fact that
you're going to get that time, that's cool. You good,
God bless you got lucky. You got one of my
daughters wanting.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
To date you. You got lucky.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
But if she calls me, like you said, if she
calls me, and this is what I always tell my daughters,
don't ever put yourself in that situation. You don't ever
act like don't act like a man in a situation
where you need to keep.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yourself saying, you put in a predicament.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
Now you are sacrificing our whole entire family. Because you're
sacrificing our whole entire family. And that's not tough talk,
that's dad talk, you know. And my whole thing is
with this, it's like you waited. It just doesn't Having
daughters and having lived a life as a football player,
(31:38):
it just seems as though this is some petty bs
that's taking place. You made it bigger, and now you
have the consequences of this is really like, it's it's bad.
It's bad consequences, TJ. You can't come out of this
on top an unscuffed, unscathed. It just doesn't happen that way.
(31:58):
Not with domestic violence. I don't know. Anyway, it'd be
interesting to see how it all turns out, and we
will be here to to talk about that. Let's get
an update from Isaac Lowingcrawn. Let's get a break on
the other side of getting Ilo and going to.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
The break, we'll talk some TJ. Watt, But Ilo, let's
hear from you first.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
Hey, d No, I have two sons, by the way.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Okay, all right, well then you might not relate to it,
but curious, like super quick, what's your thoughts on it?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I mean, oh so.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
Yeah, No, I mean, I mean whether it's sons or daughters.
As a parent, I'm totally in the same boat as
do you.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Guys.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
If anyone messed with them, I would legally ruin their
lives if I could put it that way, legally ruin
their lives, and not just once over and over again.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Dang, be repetitive.
Speaker 8 (32:46):
This is your idea of light sports talk conversation.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Hey, sometimes you got to hit on the dark topic
sports talk, you know, and cotton candy.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
It was good seeing yesterday, by the way, Hey, back.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
At you man, looking good like you've been working out,
you know, like getting into the weight rooms and stuff.
Speaker 9 (33:02):
Damn right, good right, it was good because you know
that Plaques, you know, we love plas, but Plaques does
not think I'm a real person. He thinks I'm one
of those chat gps. Yeah, well we'll just keep letting
him think that. Guys, we got some great action today
at the Open Championship. Now, Scottie Scheffler has a two
shot lead at thirteen under par overall today he's three
(33:23):
under through eight. But they're eagles flying all over the course.
One of the big stories is an unheralded Englishman named
Terrell Hatton. Hatton has moved within five shots off the lead.
No one knew who he was before today, but I'll
tell you what.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
Everyone knows him now.
Speaker 9 (33:41):
Especially these British commentators who went absolutely insane when he
eagled the seventh hole. Listen, that is oh, that's that's
brilliant in.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
A shot. That's crazy, I mean, that is madness.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
But It's absolutely brilliant from Yryl Hasson. Definitely Mahito's all
around now so himself right up into the freight.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
But that wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Guys.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
Listen to this, Rory McElroy having a great day four
hunderd through thirteen to move to within six shots of
the lead. Here he was with an eagle on the
twelve pole, where these British dudes got even more excited.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Listen, this is for eagle three. It's on its way.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Come on, Rory, come on.
Speaker 10 (34:33):
Rory, keep going, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
It's go. It's coming over the ridge.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Go on and again and again.
Speaker 10 (34:39):
Yeah, bounds back Rory McElroy eagle on the twelfth your thoughts, LeVar,
hey Man, Papa Bluetoo. Come on, Rory, come on, Rory,
keep going, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
It's go.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
It's coming over the ridge.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Go on and again and again.
Speaker 8 (35:00):
Yes, Rory McElroy eagle on the twelfth.
Speaker 9 (35:08):
Ago, come on, admitted you guys never thought golf could
be that exciting.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Back to you, excited, appreciated, Elo, We're gonna taking quick break.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
TJ.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Watt on the other side of the break up on
game Fox Sports Radio all right, Welcome back into the
show up on Game This Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Uh yeah, cuss.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
The legend will be coming up shortly at the top
of the next hour, so we'll get to that. But
before we close out the hour, TJ. Watt he just
got paid TJ. H forty one million dollars guaranteed. It's
one hundred and twenty three million dollar contract extension over
three years.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
It seems to be the right move.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
First reactions on that and quickly just the idea of
what this means for one. Michael Parsons, Uh, Trey Hendrickson
for the Bengals still out there, and there's the conversation
of Aiden Hutchinson also being in a position where he
could possibly get a new deal as well.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
What's your take, KEJ Watt is a baller, well deserved
get all the money you can get. But for this dude,
he's earned it. And when you're a baller and you
played the way he's played, go get your money. But
if I'm the Steelers, I'm not doing this.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I'm not. I got a trading I'm not.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
The Steelers have been one of the best defenses in
the league since I was playing. Their problem is not
and has never been defense. It's offense. So why wouldn't
you use the guy that I just described to go
get better on offense? That's been where you guys have
(36:54):
failed at. It's not the defensive side of the ball.
Sick Laboda de coordinator. They balling. I can't even think
a bud the name Keith he did this coordinator, They balling,
Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Technically is defense. They balling.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
They are good and they're not good. They're great on defense.
Offense is their problem. But for TJ. Watt, I'm happy
for him. One of the top two to three pass
strushers in the league. You gain plan for him. When
you see the Steelers on your schedule. The first thing
you say is we got to have a plan for
that guy. We can't let this guy wreck the game.
(37:33):
And I get why the Steelers would want him on
their team and want him to be a lifetime member
of the Pittsburgh Students. Place started as career with Steelers,
finish his career Steelers. But if you're trying to win
a championship, that lifetime player could have brought you so
much on the offensive side of the ball. That's where
(37:53):
I look at it at If Aaron Rodgers can turn
back the hands of time and beat the Aaron Rodgers
of old and everything.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I just makes no sense. But I don't know if
he can do it.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I think they had no choice but to sign TJ. Watt.
I really do. It looks as though they're in win
now mode.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
And by signing Aaron Rodgers and putting your trust in
Aaron Rodgers, it says to me that you're trying to
win now. And if you're trying to win now, I
just think the step that they would take back in
losing TJ. Watt might be too big to justify if
they didn't have a good year. So I feel like
(38:35):
it makes sense. But now that that's done, now that
that domino is falling, my biggest question is what happens next.
I heard Colin cow Hurt say that he believes that
the Cowboys will play pay Parsons less than TJ.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Watt. I don't see that being the case, said that
Dallas is going.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Who said that, Colin Cowhard, we might get like thirty
seven or thirty six something to that effense.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Roll percent chance that that happens.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Mighty, Parsons will be the highest paid player.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Michael Parsons will be a minimum of forty three million
a year minimum.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
A minimum. That's what that's meant to call.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
It, forty three million a year minimum. He not taking
three years? Come on for three years?
Speaker 5 (39:21):
I agree, I agree. I mean he's again his body
of work. It shows that. It definitely makes it a
legitimate investment in what he brings to the table. I
don't know if it's forty three, but I'll take your
word for it. I don't think it'll be forty one though,
and I certainly don't agree with Colin and thinking that
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it's going to be thirty seven or anything less than TJ.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Watt or Miles Garrett. And then it'll be.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
Interesting to see what happens with Hutchinson as well.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
So, hey, we'll keep all of those things in mind.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
We will continue to have those conversations. We're gonna take
a quick break coming up here, and you know, when
we come back on the other side the break, you
know we're going to bring cuffs.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
The legend in like we didn't.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Get an opportunity to talk about Shack and what he
had to say to RG three.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I like that we.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Will touch on that.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
I can't wait to hear what y'all got to say
on that, And there's a lot of other stuff going
on in the NBA as well. This is up on
game Fox Sports Radio Hour two, coming up at you
in a few minutes.
This is a game.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Let me quick count the count, let me putch out.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
You want thatfl experience, and this is the show for you.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Third Law with LaVar ary Tet as a defensive guy.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
TJ. Houshman Zanna.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
I'm just bringing the viewers into how grown men in
the locker room, Like I don't play with some dude
that you disrespect them anyway, it didn't matter who it
was they was putting hands on you and Blaxic Cobur,
they are the same person, the same exact quarterback.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's a show with three and the best to ever
do it on and off the field, and no Live
from the Fox Sports Radio studios, here's pro bowlers LeVar
airy Tet and TJ. Hushman Zhanna.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
All Right, all right, Happy Saturday to everybody out there.
I hope you're enjoying yourself.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Hope you're enjoying today. I hope you got some good
weather out there.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
You're playing on, giving you guys a good show, giving
you some content, giving you some good stories.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It says up on games.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
D J.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Huschman is out of I'm Leavar Arrington plutch Coat is
out for the day. You got some duties to handle
on that basketball circuit, that AAU.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm phenomenal at what I do. Daughter's circuit. We got
cuffs of legend coming in on hour two. Got a
lot to get you today. Yeah, let's get right to it, man.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
But before we do that, you know, we always got
to start to show off. How you feeling, man, patteen
man in affect? How how's everything going?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Man?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
How you feeling? Ah?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Man, I'm good and speaking of the AAU circuit. When
cuffs come on next hour, I want to bring up
a discussion. Somebody got caught cheating and I want to
see what cuff stinks about all this fourteen year olds
playing with twelve year olds and a tournament.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
People allowing it.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
But man, slight overcasts out here, Levary as you yesterday
it was a little overcasting about ten o'clock. It got
clearest guys of dom Tree he lit seeing the next hour.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
What's gonna happen? Man? But I'm feeling good, bro feeling
really good.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Well, I'll tell you who isn't feeling good. H Former
nfl p A president Lloyd Howe Junior, he has resigned.
There are all kinds of interesting reports coming up. One
report that has surfaced strip club expenses.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Under that, I.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Mean, it sounds like these dudes is at the top
running a month TJ.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Like, let's let's get into it.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Man, What's what's your first what's your first reaction to
to this hitchinery.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
That's going on with the NFL PA.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Lovrd The reason I'm laughing, Bro, did you recall what
I told you last week when I met him? What like,
we went to dinner and I told you that it
was last week? Correct? Well, yeah, it was it last week.
I believe I believe it was last week's show. Okay,
So at that dinner he had one witting m Now.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
What she did, but hm.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Hmm she was expensed. We do know that.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I know, I know.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
She bb l m hm uh yeah. I just thought
it was a lot younger, but I was. But I'm
gonna be honest. Though I like Lloyd how I mean,
I found him personable, I founding to be it was different.
I will say this, man, And no disrespect to de
(03:37):
Maurice Smith. Gene Upshaw is missed, Bro, may rest in peace.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Man.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Gene Upshaw is missed because I was a player rep
when Gene Upshaw was executive director. And Jean was in
that thing like he commanded the room with such respect.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And and he was.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Going to approach it in a professional manner, and if
need be, he was going to approach it in a
different manner.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
And that leadership is missed.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Man. I wish Troy Vincent would have been able to
succeed him.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I fought for him to Now.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
One bro, it was literally four to five of us
in that room, like like literally ready to fight for Troy.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And you know Troy won't in the room.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Nobody noticed but the four or five that was in there,
and I was one of the four to five, And
I just feel like, all this that's coming out now,
man is is it's crazy? You you got everybody wants
to know what happened to collusion? Oh no, no, no,
nothing has happened. Nothing has happened. Pablo Torres finds out
(04:57):
now that the nf LP in the NFL agreed to
keep it basically keep it secretive, keep it a secret.
And so now when when it's the NFLP as Lloyd
Howe is J. C. Tretdor who was a president, It's like, wait,
do you guys work for the players, You guys are
(05:19):
getting paid.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Hold on, don't you want to restate that. Shouldn't you say,
don't you work for the players? What do you work
for the players?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Right?
Speaker 5 (05:29):
The question, I wouldn't even say that as a statement.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I would ask that.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Question, yeah, because it's almost as if the players are
working for you the way you guys are going about things.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And so, now who's going to be the executive director?
If J. C.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Tredder is up for it, that's another conflict of interest because.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You were a part of you're part of it keeping.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
It secret, and so I just want I just want
more answers as to why why was it kept a secret?
Because to me, as a retired player, to me, there's
one thing that all players that are playing and all
players that are retired need and should guaranteed have, and
(06:14):
that's medical insurance. Our game is by far the cruelest
game in the world, by far the most violent game
in the world, and we don't have insurance when you retire.
That to me should be a non negotiable, non negotiable.
If you played X amount of years, you should get
medical insurance and they can figure that out by oh,
(06:37):
if you play five years, you get this. If you
play six years, you get this, so forth and so on.
If you played more than ten years, you should get
lifetime medical insurance. But something has to be done, and
then you're hiding things and keeping things seek why. That's
my biggest thing, is why. But I like Lloyd Howe
from that meeting. But meeting somebody one time and seeing
(06:58):
who they are as a person is not an indication
who they are all the time. But my interaction with him,
I liked him, But the strip club had me laughing
because he had one would he And I'm not saying
that's where she came from, but that was just my thought.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
When I heard that, I.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Said, you might not have been wrong.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I don't like nobody when I first meet him at
forty seven years old, TJ.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I don't like nobody. Bottom line.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
I don't care if you agree with it, if you don't,
if you disagree with it. Who's LeVar thinking is LeVar?
LaVar is the king of Levar's world. That's who I am.
I don't like nobody when I first meet him, because
I feel like everybody's full of ass until you prove
that it's worth me not feeling that way.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That's just how I look at you.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
You know, I'm a very very i'll say paranoid might
be a little strong, but I am a very very
cautious person because I have gotten burned by close people.
You know, I've gotten burned by people that had presented
themselves as friendly, has presented themselves as coherent, and you know,
(08:02):
about their business and seemingly, you know, bright, you know,
seemingly could be trustworthy, and they, you know, they pull
fast ones. It's con artist type action out here these days,
and I feel like it's worse than twenty twenty five.
I feel like social media has made being a fake, phony,
con artist. It's made it way more relevant. You get
(08:24):
paid for it in a lot of cases. It's just
we live in a different world, you know. This this
situation TJ left me with a lot of questions, bro,
and a few of the burning questions were the first.
The first thing I thought was what else? What else
is being headed?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
What else? What else is there that we haven't seen?
Speaker 5 (08:43):
You know, we want to make jokes about John Gruton
talking about Demorris's lips in an email, and it came
out because they was going after somebody else. And it
turns out that this comes out and then it turns
into a whole smoke screen. It's like you lose sight
of what the main focus is because oh, we're looking
at that John gruten.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Is a racist? Like is it a racist? I don't care.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
I want to know what the bottom line is on
what this this this investigation holds for the owner of
this team. That's what I wanted to know. But there
was a smoke screen. There was there was a transference
of attention and it was started. It was given to
towards something like race, right, race relations. Now I'm paying
(09:25):
more attention at least we're splitting the focus off of
what the real issue is versus what we can feed
the people and they'll run with it and then this
will take some heat off of it. I feel like
strip club expenses, you know. I feel like I feel
like things where you start to throw these types of
things out there. You are now trying to throw out
(09:45):
that same smoke screen that came out when the whole
the More Smith and then John Grutin and the Dan
Snyder stuff happened. It's like, you know, it's like you're.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Trying to redirect us.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Yeah, you're trying to like dilute the main issue and
now it's like, I'll put their attention over here. So
that's my first question is where is That's my burning question?
What like there should be a bigger investigation after something
like this, because to me, how do you say, Okay,
he resigned and we're just going to move on.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
This was all on Lloyd?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
How do you really think in your mind that Lloyd
Howe Junior was moving and operating and doing things on
his own accord. He was a single entity executing all
the fraudulent things that were taking place with the NFL PA.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I call bs. That's cap all the way.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
There's a bigger issue here, and I wonder how deep
that rabbit hole goes.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
That's the first thing.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
What else is out there that is actually there's a
cooperative effort taking place between a union leader and the
and the employers. That's first question. Then my second biggest one,
and I'll stop with two. I'll stop with two because
I feel like two is relevant. The second question is, well,
(11:03):
we'll do three. We'll do three. Second one is do
I have a legal lawsuit? Because if I'm somebody who
is in the NFL, and I take a look at
my contract again and I look at my language in
the contract again.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And if I had some direct.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Conversations about guaranteed money and I didn't get that in
like the last couple of years, and I'm looking at
my contract.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Can I sue the NFL PA?
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Can I sue the NFL and listen, that may that
may compromise my employment? I get that you got to
take all the different things in the consideration, the elements
of it all. But do I have is this a
class actionable lawsuit deal? Is there a whole bunch of
players that could come together and be like damn, Like
(11:56):
the language in my contract keeps me away from guaranteed money.
And I can recall that being a direct conversation that
took place with my employer.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And yet I have the union who gets involved.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
At every turn they get involved, you see it in
the media, at every turn they get involved. And yet
you're keeping secrets, you're agreeing to keep secrets as relevant
as this.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I want to know why.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
I want to know if there's more, and I want
to know if I have a lawsuit because you might
have costed me millions of dollars based off of this
known information. The last one, I'll say, TJ. The last
question I would would say is where do you go
from here? If you are a player in the National
Football League, where do you go from here? Because there
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can be no How can you have any trust? How
can you have any real confidence in the NFLPA moving
forward from here? How do you rep present our best
interest as players when you have information like this that surfaces?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And that's why correct, and that's why J. C.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Tredder being up for executive director is mind boggling to me.
You were a part of keeping these things secretive. You're
a part of that. How the hell are you up
now for the same position that a guy just got,
that a guy resigned for under pressure for doing the
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same thing. I don't understand that. I don't understand that.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
The whole thing is a bad, bad look. And I'm
curious to see how big of a deal this becomes.
Does it get minimized, does it get brushed under the
carpet we're right on the eve of a new season,
or does this thing grow more legs than what it
already has.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I'm so curious to see. I just know this.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
If I were an active player, or if I were
if my son was in the league right now, the
conversations we would be having right now is figuring out
what is the legal recourse connected.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
To Honestly, LeVar, Honestly, let's speak as if we were
young players, because I'll be honest, when I came into
the league, Bri, I didn't give a damn about what
was going on in the PA. I could care less
and I believe and there's a lot of players that
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have that same mind frame, that same are the same
mindset and state of mind is they don't care about that.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
They'll lead that to whoever else.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
As I got older, then it became like okay, because
I was asked to be a rep.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And so then you start to.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Realize, oh my god, there's a lot of things that
I had no idea existed in the language.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
It is directly impact you. Yes, you just talked about health.
This one impacts your money. It is a monetary impact
on all of them.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
But it is differentially because you're coming into league, you're
meeting with the NFLPA.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
You can't have a moment of saying I didn't know
or I'm here I don't care. Like, yes, it's complicated
because you have guys that, if you think about it,
they're not even going to be around to have some
of the benefits of what take place with collective bargaining
agreements because they're not in the league long enough, and
that happens more often than the latter. But the bottom
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line is is that for one, you got a handful
of guys that this one hundred percent impacts the highest
level players in the National Football League are hit the
hardest by this, this information that has been ascertained.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
That's one.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
But then two, there's there's like at least two or
three levels of player an employment level that this matters.
This matters. I'm telling you, I'm curious if it turns
into a bigger deal than what it what it is
right now. I mean, it is a big deal, but
I'm curious as to how much bigger it will get
in strip club expenses. That that's crazy. Don't get confused
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it the Yeah, keep your on the one strip club
like that's the first thing for you. Oh, that's what
football players do. That's that's that's football culture. Like, Hey,
you go to strip clubs. Good, Hey, listen, I've been
in the strip clubs. I don't have no problem with
saying that. But the bottom line here is is that
you're expensing strip club visits. The NFL p A is
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on the players on the players tab. Come on, man,
something ain't right here. Something when they say what they
say in football terms and other things too. You smell
a rat, there's a rat. If you smell a rat,
believe that there's a rat there. Anyway, we're going to
keep the conversations going. We're going to take a quick break.
On the other side of break, running back Quinn Shawn Jenkins.
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This is an interesting topic because it's not clear cut,
and I'll explain it to you. We'll talk about it
on the other side of break. You're listening to up
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We'll be talking contracts.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
TJ. Watt got paid. Yeah, and it's.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Saturday, but he did get paid on what a Friday,
I believe maybe Thursday.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Anyway.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
We'll talk about that, but right now, this is a
tough one, TJ. This is a tough conversation to have.
There never easy, but one hundred percent necessary. We got
the situation with running back Brown's running back Quinn Shawn Judkins.
It's a domestic balance situation. He was arrested in Fort
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Lauderdale for the incident. He got out on bond. The
Browns have told him to not report in with the Rookies, but.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
To handle the legal situation.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Focusing on that before you come back around, so that
obviously the Browns are aware of what's taking place and
what has happened. But before I get your reaction on it,
I'm just very very intrigued by this story because you know,
it's it's it's almost taboo to ever question a woman
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when battery, you know, domestic, when when you hear domestic
and balance, it's almost taboo to challenge the credibility or
validity of what happens, what fully took place when those
words are mentioned. So before we get a you know,
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opinion on what took place, let's take a listen to
the nine one one call that took.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Place days later. Let me set the stage for you.
Picture up at the airport. She's there.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Apparently the altercation, alleged altercation took place at the airport
or somewhere something to that effect. She stays and celebrates
her birthday, so she's there for I believe five days,
and then decides to call nine one one after the
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fact and then report it after the fact. Now, at first,
I was like, this doesn't add up, it doesn't make sense.
But if you listen to what she says in the
nine to one one call, she basically tells you that's
exactly what she did. Let's take a listen, and then
let's get some reaction to it.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
I thought that we could work through it, and obviously
we couldn't. I'm trying to do the right thing now.
But the situation happened on Tuesday. Monday is early Tuesday,
so like around like two am, three am Tuesday, because
that would.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Have been July eighth.
Speaker 8 (21:14):
You have to go to the hospital for any medical treatment.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
I didn't go to the hospital for a minute, but
col treatment. But I will say that I am still
in pain and I have a lot more of my
story to tell. I just need you and I still
have visible bruises and evidence on my body of the event.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Now it has at the end of which it didn't.
It didn't didn't air on that, but at the end,
he says, I'm sending an officer out there if you can,
if you guys can pull that up, because I don't
do it any justice.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
If you can hear.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
At the end of the call TJ. She says to
the dispatcher, awesome, that's awesome. All right, help me out understand.
What do you mean that's awesome? Like you waited to
call nine one one, then you call nine one one
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after the fact, But you clearly, you clearly stated you
thought that we could work through this. You've played in
the league and you probably have dealt with this way
more than I had because you a pretty boy. Ugly dudes,
we will a little bit more, will, a little bit
more protective because you know, it ain't too many that
come at us, but y'all, y'all be having so many
people come at y'all.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
You're probably well versed in this.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Wanting to work through something, wanting to work through something
before you it sounds as though something happened.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
They mixed it up. It was probably on equal ground.
They mixed it up.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
She wanted to see how everything was going to play out,
enjoyed her time there. Something else probably happened during that
time frame that upset her even more, and she's getting back.
It's a get back situation. She didn't like the way
the things was handled. He didn't tell her or say
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to her.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
What she wanted to hear.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
So now I'm going to punish you, And the best
way I'm going to punish you is by going after
your reputation, by going after your career and altering the situation.
That's what I took from from this situation. Now, whether
I'm right or whether I'm wrong, it's just an opinion.
I'm not putting. I'm not on record in a court
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saying I would need to know more information, what led
what led up to the alleged altercation, what was said,
what happened, what roles that people play in. There's a
lot of holes that need to be filled in. But
just based off of what I heard, the fact that
you were there for like five more days, five more
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days I believe it was after the alleged incident took place,
and you didn't go to the doc, you didn't go
to the hospital, you didn't get get it on record,
didn't get.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
It on file. It just says to me, this was a.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Situation that could possibly It could be a couple of things.
It could be y'all always are fighting. There are toxic
relationship people out here all over the place, and that's
how they communicate. That's how they love. That's how they
get through things. They do things in a weird way
where you question it, that's y'all's business. But where this
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is at right now, this totally says to me that
this person is trying to get she's retaliating almost against
the young man that's involved in this, not exonerating him.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
For what the what the charge is what she's alleging.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
It's very possible that what happened, what took place, is
he put his hands on her.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
So let's start there.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Don't put your hands on a person, like don't don't
put your hands on them. But in listening to this
in context, it sounds as though we need more information
because she decided to report this to nine one one.
By the way, you could have drove to the police
station and did whatever like you called nine one one
as if this was an emergency.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
That's what nine one one is for.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
You could have drove to to a you know, a
police station in the area, a local police station, and
filed a report and did this the way that you
know you would do. After the fact, she chose to
call nine one one and then ended the call with
that's awesome, Like what's happy about it like, I don't
know what's your take on it?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
What, what's your what's your your perspective on this?
Speaker 4 (25:35):
First off, LeVar, Me and LeVar are very similar. LeVar
is a man that has three daughters. I have three daughters.
If anybody that my daughter's date put their hands on
my kids or my homies kids and they call me
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forty seven forty seven, right now, I live a good
life these last twenty five years. I promise you, I
promise you. It's gonna get handled how it gets handled,
and I'm not afraid of whatever comes with it. I'm
not you touch my kids, my girls, I promise you,
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or my homies and they hit me up. It's gonna
go how it goes, and I'm okay with whatever comes
from that. Now I'll say this man, it's just we
don't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
We don't.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
We don't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
We do not.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
But what I find just puzzling is.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
It happened, allegedly happened, and you stay for five days
and then you realize it wasn't gonna work, so now
I'm gonna report it. So it's as if he didn't
do anything to me. And then when I realized we're
gonna break up. That just pissed me off. So now
I'm going to get you in trouble. Whether he did
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something to her or he did not do something to her,
his reputation is forever damaged.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
He's coming into the league. What they no pun intended.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Black eye. They told him to stay away. And if
and this is a big if, he didn't do anything
to this young lady. Something needs to start happening to
these people that are accusing people of doing things to them.
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That is not the case. I'm tired of. They did
this to me, comes out. It wasn't true that everybody
walks away. Everybody away. It's a it's not even talked about.
It's not even talked about. It's not even talked about.
That they didn't do anything. But the opportunity for them
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to pursue their dream, the opportunity for them to make
a lot of money doing something that they've done for free.
Their entire life may be gone. But if you men
players who are it's not just athlete, just a man
in general. Bro, I don't care what a woman is doing.
Don't put your hands on her. Walk away being a
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darn and communicate like we have all been angry, we
have all reached that point like, oh, Walkway, like putting it.
What can she do to us? We are so much
physically stronger than a woman like walk Away. Compose yourself
at a time when your anger is through the roof.
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Don't put your hands on it, because you're gonna run
into a dad like myself and LeVar that now it's
an a or not with me, and they oh.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Let the court system handle that. I am the courts
with this.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
And then they can handle it, and then they can
handle me.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
And yeah, I don't know enough about it to say,
but I do find it very puzzling.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
That's five days later, and celebrated the.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Birthday, which means they was partying. They was partying, Like,
let's let's call a spade a spade. They were partying,
and she was enjoying her birthday, the festivities probably why
she flew down there in the first place. And it's
just it's when it's a situation of speculation like this.
When her own words, at her own admission, she said,
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I felt bad for him because of all of the
success he was having. That's why I didn't report it immediately.
If you just landed in Fort Lauderdale.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Because you were gonna partake in that success, and then
you realize you weren't gonna partake in as success, so
now you ain't gonna get any of the success.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Why it's so hard? Why is it so hard for
people to have that conversation? Why is it so condemning?
If if the approach to the conversation is the one
we're having right now, because I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
If by which, by the way, I make very clear.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
To the young men who date my daughters, and two
of them are in college, I know your two are
out and you got a baby that we at that
stage man to where it's like, hey bro, I'm telling
you now, hey bro, and day one though day one,
if I meet you, I'm gonna let you know like
I don't know you, so I don't.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Know you well enough to like you or to hate you.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
What I do know is is that you're important enough
where my daughter has brought you to me to seek
my opinion and my approval on who you are. That's
what I do know. That's all I have right now,
that's all I have to go on. I can look
at you. I can make a judgment off of the
way you look, whatever it may be, the way you're dressed,
the way you walk, the way you're.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Communicating with me.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
I can draw a whole lot of different conclusions, but
I don't know the essence of who you truly are
until I have time around you. So the fact that
you're going to get that time, that's cool. You good,
God bless you got lucky. You got one of my
daughters wanting.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
To date you. You got lucky.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
But if she calls me, like you said, if she
calls me, and this is what I always tell my daughters,
don't ever put yourself in that situation. You don't ever
act like don't act like a man in a situation
where you need to keep.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yourself saying, you put in a predicament.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
Now you are sacrificing our whole entire family. Because you're
sacrificing our whole entire family. And that's not tough talk,
that's dad talk, you know. And my whole thing is
with this, it's like you waited. It just doesn't Having
daughters and having lived a life as a football player,
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it just seems as though this is some petty bs
that's taking place. You made it bigger, and now you
have the consequences of this is really like, it's it's bad.
It's bad consequences, TJ. You can't come out of this
on top an unscuffed, unscathed. It just doesn't happen that way.
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Not with domestic violence. I don't know. Anyway, it'd be
interesting to see how it all turns out, and we
will be here to to talk about that. Let's get
an update from Isaac Lowingcrawn. Let's get a break on
the other side of getting Ilo and going to.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
The break, we'll talk some TJ. Watt, But Ilo, let's
hear from you first.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
Hey, d No, I have two sons, by the way.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Okay, all right, well then you might not relate to it,
but curious, like super quick, what's your thoughts on it?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I mean, oh so.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
Yeah, No, I mean, I mean whether it's sons or daughters.
As a parent, I'm totally in the same boat as
do you.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Guys.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
If anyone messed with them, I would legally ruin their
lives if I could put it that way, legally ruin
their lives, and not just once over and over again.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Dang, be repetitive.
Speaker 8 (32:46):
This is your idea of light sports talk conversation.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Hey, sometimes you got to hit on the dark topic
sports talk, you know, and cotton candy.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
It was good seeing yesterday, by the way, Hey, back.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
At you man, looking good like you've been working out,
you know, like getting into the weight rooms and stuff.
Speaker 9 (33:02):
Damn right, good right, it was good because you know
that Plaques, you know, we love plas, but Plaques does
not think I'm a real person. He thinks I'm one
of those chat gps. Yeah, well we'll just keep letting
him think that. Guys, we got some great action today
at the Open Championship. Now, Scottie Scheffler has a two
shot lead at thirteen under par overall today he's three
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under through eight. But they're eagles flying all over the course.
One of the big stories is an unheralded Englishman named
Terrell Hatton. Hatton has moved within five shots off the lead.
No one knew who he was before today, but I'll
tell you what.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
Everyone knows him now.
Speaker 9 (33:41):
Especially these British commentators who went absolutely insane when he
eagled the seventh hole. Listen, that is oh, that's that's
brilliant in.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
A shot. That's crazy, I mean, that is madness.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
But It's absolutely brilliant from Yryl Hasson. Definitely Mahito's all
around now so himself right up into the freight.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
But that wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Guys.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
Listen to this, Rory McElroy having a great day four
hunderd through thirteen to move to within six shots of
the lead. Here he was with an eagle on the
twelve pole, where these British dudes got even more excited.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Listen, this is for eagle three. It's on its way.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Come on, Rory, come on.
Speaker 10 (34:33):
Rory, keep going, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
It's go. It's coming over the ridge.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Go on and again and again.
Speaker 10 (34:39):
Yeah, bounds back Rory McElroy eagle on the twelfth your thoughts, LeVar,
hey Man, Papa Bluetoo. Come on, Rory, come on, Rory,
keep going, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
It's go.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
It's coming over the ridge.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Go on and again and again.
Speaker 8 (35:00):
Yes, Rory McElroy eagle on the twelfth.
Speaker 9 (35:08):
Ago, come on, admitted you guys never thought golf could
be that exciting.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Back to you, excited, appreciated, Elo, We're gonna taking quick break.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
TJ.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Watt on the other side of the break up on
game Fox Sports Radio all right, Welcome back into the
show up on Game This Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Uh yeah, cuss.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
The legend will be coming up shortly at the top
of the next hour, so we'll get to that. But
before we close out the hour, TJ. Watt he just
got paid TJ. H forty one million dollars guaranteed. It's
one hundred and twenty three million dollar contract extension over
three years.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
It seems to be the right move.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
First reactions on that and quickly just the idea of
what this means for one. Michael Parsons, Uh, Trey Hendrickson
for the Bengals still out there, and there's the conversation
of Aiden Hutchinson also being in a position where he
could possibly get a new deal as well.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
What's your take, KEJ Watt is a baller, well deserved
get all the money you can get. But for this dude,
he's earned it. And when you're a baller and you
played the way he's played, go get your money. But
if I'm the Steelers, I'm not doing this.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I'm not. I got a trading I'm not.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
The Steelers have been one of the best defenses in
the league since I was playing. Their problem is not
and has never been defense. It's offense. So why wouldn't
you use the guy that I just described to go
get better on offense? That's been where you guys have
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failed at. It's not the defensive side of the ball.
Sick Laboda de coordinator. They balling. I can't even think
a bud the name Keith he did this coordinator, They balling,
Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Technically is defense. They balling.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
They are good and they're not good. They're great on defense.
Offense is their problem. But for TJ. Watt, I'm happy
for him. One of the top two to three pass
strushers in the league. You gain plan for him. When
you see the Steelers on your schedule. The first thing
you say is we got to have a plan for
that guy. We can't let this guy wreck the game.
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And I get why the Steelers would want him on
their team and want him to be a lifetime member
of the Pittsburgh Students. Place started as career with Steelers,
finish his career Steelers. But if you're trying to win
a championship, that lifetime player could have brought you so
much on the offensive side of the ball. That's where
(37:53):
I look at it at If Aaron Rodgers can turn
back the hands of time and beat the Aaron Rodgers
of old and everything.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I just makes no sense. But I don't know if
he can do it.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I think they had no choice but to sign TJ. Watt.
I really do. It looks as though they're in win
now mode.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
And by signing Aaron Rodgers and putting your trust in
Aaron Rodgers, it says to me that you're trying to
win now. And if you're trying to win now, I
just think the step that they would take back in
losing TJ. Watt might be too big to justify if
they didn't have a good year. So I feel like
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it makes sense. But now that that's done, now that
that domino is falling, my biggest question is what happens next.
I heard Colin cow Hurt say that he believes that
the Cowboys will play pay Parsons less than TJ.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Watt. I don't see that being the case, said that
Dallas is going.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Who said that, Colin Cowhard, we might get like thirty
seven or thirty six something to that effense.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Roll percent chance that that happens.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Mighty, Parsons will be the highest paid player.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Michael Parsons will be a minimum of forty three million
a year minimum.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
A minimum. That's what that's meant to call.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
It, forty three million a year minimum. He not taking
three years? Come on for three years?
Speaker 5 (39:21):
I agree, I agree. I mean he's again his body
of work. It shows that. It definitely makes it a
legitimate investment in what he brings to the table. I
don't know if it's forty three, but I'll take your
word for it. I don't think it'll be forty one though,
and I certainly don't agree with Colin and thinking that
(39:41):
it's going to be thirty seven or anything less than TJ.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Watt or Miles Garrett. And then it'll be.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
Interesting to see what happens with Hutchinson as well.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
So, hey, we'll keep all of those things in mind.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
We will continue to have those conversations. We're gonna take
a quick break coming up here, and you know, when
we come back on the other side the break, you
know we're going to bring cuffs.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
The legend in like we didn't.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Get an opportunity to talk about Shack and what he
had to say to RG three.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I like that we.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Will touch on that.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
I can't wait to hear what y'all got to say
on that, And there's a lot of other stuff going
on in the NBA as well. This is up on
game Fox Sports Radio Hour two, coming up at you
in a few minutes.
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