December 18, 2021 • 50 mins
LaVar Arrington, TJ Houshmandzadeh, and Plaxico Burress react to the Chiefs beating the Chargers on Thursday night and give their thoughts on Brandon Staley's strategy of being aggressive on fourth down. Legal Analyst Brian Claypool joins the guys to give the legal perspectives on the Jaguars firing Urban Meyer, including what we should expect to happen as the Jaguars attempt to rid themselves of Meyer's contract. The guys give their insight on Urban Meyer and the Jaguars, and rip into Meyer in this edition of I'm On Ya Head with James Jackson!
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to get you today, guys man have some reactions in
a few moments to the chart in chief game Urban Meyer,
and that's a big topic. We'll be talking about that,
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uh yeah, quite a bit. And actually we'll be bringing
on a legal expert and Brian Claypool and the second
uh second segment to talk about, you know, from the
legal side of it. So I'm I'm excited for that.
We're gonna get to uh this this uh Paul and
Woodley to fight where we got a lot to get
you fellas. I mean, how how y'all feeling. I'm feeling
good man? Uh? Nice sunny morning out here, you know,
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not not a cloud in the sky. Feel great? Can
you say the same thing? It is the exact opposite,
But what is it? What is it? Probably seventy two
all day is probably twenty seven hits. You got number
literally as exact opposite. You gotta split the number, switch
the numbers around. And that's what I'm dealing with. Oh
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man a t j um. You know he could stay
warm if he if he gets on that that that
thing you got going on right now. I was just
stay warm. No, he can feel his best. Oh whatever. Yeah.
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make sure that your hair is as shiny is. It's
super shiny. Brother's super shiny legs on the low though,
LaVar hair shining too. He got here, he got that changed.
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He hit that pink. That pink got I got tired
of looking at ashley heads and and and oiled up heads.
I said, man, I got to do something to change
my life around. So I just went ahead and chopped
it up. Put some of that moisturizer on there, hit
it with the curl the curl sponge. You know what
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I mean. I ain't gonna be mad at it. I
ain't know if you want to take responsibility for it.
But I don't believe that's who did it. But I mean,
we could go with it and just friend doesn't worry,
don't hurt either. Hey, guys, we got a lot to
get to. We're gonna get to this urban meyer uh
reactions obviously. Um but let's start hair on on Thursday night,
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we saw we saw a pretty pretty uh competitive game
and could be foreshadowing of what we could expect for
years to come out of two amazing co order backs
and in Mahomes and Herbert Uh. Obviously, the Chargers came
up short. They had a couple of questionable fourth down deals.
Some people, can you know, condoned it or or or
(05:11):
what We're supportive of it. Some people thought that it
was the wrong decisions on taking those fourth down opportunities.
Let's hear what coach uh Staley had to say about it,
and and then I would love to hear you guys
opinion on it. You know, I felt really comfortable with
all those decisions, and uh, you know, the first one
it's a perfect pass, and and you know, just you
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have this this really you know, tragic thing happened, you
know on the way down, and uh, you know the
one at the end of the half. I I love that,
and and then it just you know, you know, we
just misschaired on the stick, you know, And um, that's
the way we're gonna play around here. That's the way
we're gonna play. And um, you know, when we have
a quarterback like cars, and we have an offense like ours.
That's the way we're gonna play, because that's how you
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need to play against Kansas City, for sure. Um, and
that's how we're gonna be come The team that we're
ultimately capable be is by playing that way. And UM,
you know, I'm really proud of our guys. I thought
like we competed like champions today. Um. And they made
a couple more plays in the fourth quarter and in
overtime than we did. But I felt like our guys
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laid it on the line tonight and I'm very, very
proud of them for that. All Right, who got it? Who?
What's your takeaway from that? I mean, they did come
up short. But he doesn't sound to be any type
of remorse or apologetic or apprehension. He owned it. He
owned the grown man style. I mean, you make a
decision and you stick with it, and and that's how
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it works. Had he converted one or two more, oh well,
those are great decisions. We're all Monday morning quarterbacks and
we look at decisions that don't pan out and we say, oh,
why didn't he kick the field goal? I'll be honest
me personally, I'm getting points the the NFL. Now he's
evolved into. Man, if it's fourth and short, these dudes
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are going for it and there's no hesitation, it's no
time out, there's no thinking. We're going for it. And
so he didn't get them. But when you play Kansas City,
I think these coaches and these teams and that this
is not the Kansas City of two years ago, that
it's just unstoppable. They're moving up and down the field.
Kansas City is having a hard time scoring. So anytime
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you can put points on the board, you put pressure
on them. Kansas City's defense stepped up and stopped him.
It is what it is. But I mean, I like it.
If I'm an offensive player it's fourth and short, I
like it. You don't get it all it was a
bad call, You get it. It's a great call. Oh man,
I wish I could get some play back to what
I was saying about two months ago about the Kansas
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City Chiefs when Vo basically came out and said the
Kansas City Chiefs were finished. I do remember myself saying,
I said, listen, I'm not worried about the Kansas City
Chiefs because they've they've been there before. If you look
at their record, they were I think they were going
to play Dallas, Denver and then Raiders. And I say,
they can very easily run off five or six games
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in a row and we're gonna look up and they're
gonna be ten and four. And that's exactly what has happened,
isn't it. Yes, they're still the best team in the
FC to me, period your point blank? Because t J say, listen,
they're not scoring a lot of points, but they're winning
football games. That's all that matters at this point in
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this season. And I will tell you all this. But
as far as the a FC is concerned and the
NFC is is concerned, where we are right now, the
eventual NFL Super Bowl champion has already lost their last
football game. Oh wow, remember what I just said, NFL
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champion already They've already lost their last football the last
football game. Whoever win the Superball is going undefeated from here.
Who are your point blank? And I said this about
Kansas City for one reason. East back Nolan was my
defense coordinator in New York. He is one of the
most creative minds defensively that we've ever seen. And you
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look at his resume to two World championships in New York,
one in Kansas City. Listen, if he can get to
the quarterback without blitzing, if those those front four can
get to the quarterback and create pressure and create pressure.
He is one of the most dynamic defensive play callers
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that we've ever seen. And he can mix it up
in the back end like nobody else, especially when you
have a guy like ty Royn Matthew back there basically
floating around and being uh, the next generation Troy Paulomalo.
Listen to what I'm saying. The Kansas City Chiefs are
for real in the a f C, the the best
team in the FC, and I said it two months ago.
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I'm not worried about him. And there is a great
play caller, Eric Banning. He will be a head coach
one day. You have one of the one of the
best deference difference defense according that he was ever seen.
They're going to make a run and a Super Bowl
champion has already lost their last what what what you
add pr for Kansas City onto your resume because because
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because you understand they were finished, they have the best
quarterback in football. Hey, I might I might be off
on on my timeline, on my timeline, on my timeline,
but I will say, you know, I'm gonna show respect.
We're respect is due. I did not think that the
way they have been playing and the way that their
offense has been slowed down, that that was sustainable. I
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looked at them, Uh, they they're running game. Isn't that
it's just really really slim. It ain't it ain't eating
real well, you know, um and and and listen for
what is worth the Chargers. I like. I like Staley's comments.
I like liked his approach on it. I felt as though,
if you if you know that Kelsey and Hill are
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the ones you got to stop. They can't get the
numbers that they were able to get, and you don't
have a running game. You know, It's just to me,
there were there were some things that if you look
at it the right way and and you feel fill
it out the right way, they should have you know,
they could have easily won that game against Kansas City,
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and and and then the conversation be very different. In
my estimation, I will say this, they have learned to
win ugly and and maybe that's the best thing that
they've needed, is to learn how to learn, uh, win ugly,
and also lean on their defense more than they've ever
had to lean on their defense. So I think they
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they become a much a much more dangerous team on
the other side of the storm of what I felt
was a dive from from being as great a team
as we've seen them be. But I'm not certain of that.
I'm really not certain of that. They have found a
way to win. But you know what, the charges were
right there to win the game. In fact, at times
they were dominating Kansas City. It's not the same team.
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And and and for what it's worth, I think that
those coaches have have done an excellent job of of
schematically figuring out how to get these games, um in
the wind column. But I'm just not so sure that
that it it goes the way that you're thinking, Uh,
this their last loss. I'm I'm not certain of that.
But we'll we'll we'll find out. We'll see and and
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we'll we'll you know, we'll check that out. But here
here's what we're gonna do. Someone who is in the
lost column that we gotta get to and talk about
is is Urban Meyer. Um. What we'll do is we'll
take a break here because we're gonna bring in Brian Claypool,
who is is an amazing legal analyzes appeared on a
ton of uh Fox shows speaking on civil UM situations
(12:49):
and different things like that. Would be great to get
an expert opinion legally about what this firing represents. UM.
And we got a lot more to get to. We
got legendary moments, you know, we got why hold this week?
And I mean, man, that was that was a really dope,
dope interview. Man, you got big man, I tell you what.
Uh So, So we'll get to all of those things
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him out at Brian dot Claypool on I G let's
bring him in. We gotta get to this Urban Meyer conversation. Brian,
how you doing this morning? Man? Good good LaVar. Thanks
for having me. Man by the way, thank you so much.
We appreciate you coming on to talk about this. UH
interesting Uh. I don't know if we could say surprising
change of events, but the Urban Meyer uh situation is
(19:33):
now underway post Urban Meyer Air starts in Jacksonville. There
have been a lot of things said about the situation. UM,
I wanted to bring you on and get the guy's
opportunity to possibly bounce some questions off of you as
well in terms of the legal ramifications that are are
ensuing based off of this firing and maybe how it
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was handled by the Jacksonville Jaguars. Yeah, you bet I
I not a little bit of breach a contract going
on down to Jacksonville. There's a lot of money at stake, LaVar,
a lot of money. How much How much money is that? Yeah? Well, so,
so Meyer signed a five year contract. I think his
salaries between ten and eleven million dollars a year, and
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by the way, that put him at the top of
the list with guys like Bill Belichick and uh Pete
Carroll and so he's so what happened is Meyer served
close to one year in his contract, so he's got
four years left on his contracts. So you've got about
forty plus million dollars at state. So I bet you anything,
there's going to be a legal battle, uh Shad Khan
(20:38):
of the owner of the Jaguars. I'm sure his legal team,
LaVar is gonna say that we fired Urban Meyer for
for cause, And just so your listeners know, for cause
means that there was a good reason to fire Meyer
other than his two and eleven record. For example, he
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allegedly kicked a player. That's good public image for the NFL.
So if the Jaguars say, hey, we fired you for cause,
Urban Meyer, we're not peeing you that forty million dollars.
So so, just so your listeners, No, typically if a
coach gets fired, let's just say for a bad record,
whether NBA or NFL, and there's four years left on
(21:20):
their contract. The owners got to pay those four years.
But there's gonna be a battle now, and Urban Meyer's
gonna say, hey, wait a minute, you didn't fire me
for cause. You fired me because I was two and
eleven and I want my forty million dollars. Brian, how
how are you doing? Man? This is t J. My
question is is what is Urban's meyer best course of
action quick to the point. This is why I deserved
(21:44):
my money. Is it the record, because they're going to
point to all the other stuff, and how does he
comebat that? Yeah, great question, urban Meyer's best defenses. You
fired me because I was two and eleven. Let's look
at these incidents to J what they're talking about, because
I think some of them are her hypocrisy. The first
one was, oh, he brought in Tim Tebow to try
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out for a position that he doesn't play. Really, is
that legal cause TJ to fire somebody? Hardly? Okay. The
next one was I think the Jaguars got fined two
hundred thousand dollars early in the season because of alleged
nefarious business on field practices. That was pretty That was
pretty mysterious. We don't really know what that was about.
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That's hardly caused to fire somebody. Then we've got the big,
you know, five pound guerrilla in the room. Oh, urban
Meyer stayed in Ohio. Remember that t J. After one
of his games, he stayed in Ohio hung out with
his family. I mean, we're not talking about teenage kids
playing on a football team. He stayed at home for
a couple of days. These guys flew back. But the
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big allegation is, oh, he was out with a woman
and he's married. Well, let's check that. Check that out.
When I first heard that TJ, my initial thought was,
was he at a strip club? Was he like? Was
he with a dancer at a club? Hardly? He was
out at a restaurant right with his family and a
girl pulled him out on the dance floor. That that that, Yeah,
(23:08):
that's a less way different dude, And check this out.
Check check out the hypocrisy in the NFL. Last time
I checked. Robert Kraft, owner of the New England Patriots,
allegedly allegedly is down in South Florida getting massages. He's
still the owner of the New England Patriots. White privileged
owners seemed to me to have a different kind of
(23:30):
measuring stick than than coaches and players. So so I
I think that's gonna be the big issue here with
with the dancing and then and then and then let's
talk quickly about this last time. I think it's pretty
comical as well. A former kicker, I think Josh Lambeau,
oh Urban Meyer kicked me in practice in August, right,
that's yeah, how many months ago was that? Right? That's
(23:54):
before the season started, right, I guarantee you, t J.
If the jack wires were eleven and two instead of
two and eleven, we wouldn't even be talking about any
of that. So so, and then why wasn't that investigated?
Why was it the alleged kicking of Lambeau investigated? Where
where's the dude process for for urban Meyer? We just
want to kick him to the Kurgan kurb. I'm not
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saying he's a great guy. I don't know the guy,
but look, where's the due process on that? And I
guarantee you, I guarantee there's gonna be a legal battle,
and the Jaguars are gonna use that as an excuse
as well, Oh you're out, you're out womanizing, you're kicking players,
which is against policy in the NFL be but yet
no investigation of that at all. M hm wow. Yeah,
(24:40):
I just believe it's gonna be a long drug drug
out process because I don't know what his contract entails,
but I do know and understand that all coaches um
contracts are guarantees. So I just don't see how the
Jacksonville Jaguars are not going to have to pay him
his rest of his salary because it's basically in the
contract and with the kicker coming out lambo after he
(25:04):
gets fired, he said, oh he kicked me, But that's
not a justification of why a reason or why he
got fired. So I just think that every everything that
you just said, hanging out with the girl in the
club and all of those things that Jacksonville Jaguas is
gonna be a long drug out process. Legally, they're still
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going to have to pay every mind his money. And
that's what I believe. That's a great point you and
you use the great great legal tournament's called four cause
that's exactly right. I mean, all these coaches were NBA cloaks,
foot football player, football football coach. I mean they signed contracts.
Think about it. You sign a contract for for a
definite time period. Most people across the country don't have
(25:48):
written contracts. Right, they go to work, excuse me, and
they're called they're called what's called at will employees. Right.
That means you can be fired at any time for
any reason, upt if it's if it's under Title seven,
for any type of discrimination. Right, you'd be fired for
any reason but for discrimination, and and you're done. You
(26:10):
don't get any more money your history, but the coaches
are treated different. And I agree with you that he
shouldn't that the Jaguars should pay his contract. But I
guarantee you what they're gonna do tactically speaking, is they're
gonna not pay him the remaining forty plus years. Forced
urban Meyer to file a breach of contract lawsuit and
then try to reach some some kind of settlement. But
(26:32):
you know, one last point I wanted to make. What
really troubles me about this urban Meyer story. I've read
so many articles about how how inept urban Meyer was
in creating quote a culture. We need urban Meyer to
create a culture of winning in in Jacksonville. You guys
are all all star, former All star football players. I'm
sure you went to work every day. You didn't need
(26:54):
a coach to get you to focus. I mean, we've
got Trevor Lawrence. Did you hear his comment recently, Oh effective, yeah, exactly.
He's criticizing Meyer about having I think one of the
running backs didn't play enough right. And then I saw
a most recent quote about Lawrence that was disturbing. He said, Oh, well,
now that urban Meyer's gone, I think we'll have more
focused on clarity, really, dude, really, well, we all go
(27:19):
to work every day, rainshine or snow, right, we go
to work. I'm a trial where I gotta go to
a courtroom. Whether I'm having issues with my daughter, whether
I'm not feeling well at all, whether the world's not
treating me well at all. I still am LEAs are
focused when I go in that courtroom. Why does why
does he need to have uh the right kind of
coach in the locker room to have clarity? That's ridiculous.
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And then one last comment, so I can vent and
let you guys go. I'm I'm a big Steelers fan, right,
it was like I grew up in a trobe right right, yeah,
Plaxico and yeah, there you go. What about my buddy
with my last name, Chase label r Sha Chase. Might
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I mean remember recently when they got blown out by
the Bengals, and and and Chase Chase is up there saying, hey, man,
maybe we need so we did need a different kind
of music during practice to get us to like performed better.
Really okay, alright, so they take that too, well, now
that's what I'm saying. But I mean I think, I
think I think the Urban Meyer situation is a little
(28:23):
deeper than we're talking about. I personally think this is
kind of a trend in professional sports where where we're
blaming coaches too much for really what players should be
delivering on the field. And I think maybe we'll have
a show some other time where we talk about what
what what's the collateral damage of like these young athletes?
Now with you, I'm sure you guys heard about the
(28:44):
n f T S. The name image like this is
the n I L S. I mean you want these players? Yeah, exactly,
They're they're trying to get money for who me it's me, me, me,
it's not we we we. So when these professional coaches
are getting these young kids coming out of you know,
high school, some high school kids are getting millions of dollars,
now college athletes getting it, and then they're jumping into
(29:04):
the pros and you you want to put the burden
on the coach to create a culture. Good luck with
that man. Man, that's that that you brought it right here.
That's Brian Claypool. Uh, make sure you check my man now.
He's a civil rights attorney, regularly appears on On and
and provides legal commentary on various Fox News outlets. Make
(29:25):
sure you follow him at Brian dot Claypool on I
G b BC. We gotta do this again, man, like anything.
Legally speaking, we got to bring the heavyweight out like
we We had to pull him out for this one.
My friend. Yeah, I didn't he had. I didn't need it.
I didn't need that energy boost that like the Yeah,
(29:47):
we're gonna see yourself. We appreciate you coming on, Brian
Marry Christmas. Yeah, all right, let's let's get to our men.
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to up on game. Yeah, it's like I'm on your
(31:14):
head with James Jackson. What up? Jack? What's the word? Hey? Hey?
He need that M drive to the way man energy
boost M drift much as much as I would love
(31:34):
to try some night and Paul Man, I'm gonna need
the energy boost. Man, I'm all I'm ready to go.
You guys know what I do? Man, are you guys
doing good? What do you do? Man? Get on because
we're about to get on your head. Who's it you're
gonna get on for? You know? Man? Look look, look
before y'all get on mine. Man, it's talking to me
just to address the elephant in the room. I know
you guys just had a great interview with your guy,
Brian Claypool talked all about it. Everybody's talking about it.
(31:57):
So it's my term. Man, you guys know where I'm
going with this. Urban Meyer, I'm on your head man,
it's it's it's gone too long, man, It's it took
only it took him only about thirteen games to become
history in the NFL. Right, And from Urban meya to
Urban legend that quick. I mean, that's tough. That that's
that life really comes at you fast. And we've seen
a lot of college coaches make, you know, the transition
(32:17):
to the NFL and struggle before Man And I'm not
sure what he thought like Urban do you think a
good team was just gonna volunteer lap? Only only one
thing falls into his lap? Man and It's not a
good football team. We know that. But at least he's
leaves in the Jags in good hands, right. I kill
an eleven record, obviously one of the worst teams in
the NFL. And I really did try my best to
look LaVar plus and t J really look at their numbers,
(32:40):
and they really ranked no higher than about like in
the NFL and most major offensive categories. I mean, they
got I believe yards for attempt there may be like
four or fifth in the NFL with four point six,
So I'll give him that. But I don't have to
dive too deep into all the numbers and an advanced
bats to let everybody know that the situation that Jack
can build was just shaky, baby. Nothing about it was good.
(33:04):
And to me, this this was I'm not sure how
you gotta feel about this, but it was a complete
failure on the part of Urban Meyer for me, man,
and to the point where I'm not sure we can
truly evaluate Trevor Lawrence as the quarterback. At least I can't.
I need to see him be in a stable situation
before I judge, because we know the talent was there.
We saw it all through Clumson, all through really coming up.
(33:24):
So I need to see him in a good situation
before I truly value what we have and Trevor Lawrence.
But regardless of all of that, the terrible play on
the field plus the foul play off the field, I mean,
urban Meyer is starting to sound a lot like Oscar
Meyer the way people got some FIFA dead man, I'm
on your head. There's a whole lot of bologne. And
(33:47):
that was a nice little punch. That was a nice
little punch line. Sorry to get one in, I'd go
on in and what you pose a question for you man?
So all right, I want to get into the personal
side of his whole situation. You know around every mind. Listen,
I've never met the guy. I don't know him, so
everything for me is basically, you know, speculate him and
(34:09):
hit or you know, in hearsay. But you guys do
know him. You know, you guys have given him nothing
but high praise, and uh, you know he's respectful, you
know his football acumen, you know all of those things.
And and you know, listen, it's a small fraternity. Man.
When everybody is saying you know the same thing, you
(34:30):
know it can't be that far removed from the truth
like where they're smoke, that's fire, so so so far
for you, do you view him any differently? Now? Moving forward?
What we're learning, what people are saying, and how the
players are saying there was coach and how and how
they were treat it by him. So how do you
(34:52):
view him now? I haven't heard one player quote it.
I haven't seen it. I haven't read it. I haven't
heard of having the No. I think I heard Marvin
Jones come out and say he said he created he
was basically creating a bad environment with the players weren't
comfortable in. That's why I'm saying I didn't see that.
(35:14):
I thought I thought that that it was more or
less the the quotes that I saw from him were
that that he had respect for urban Meyer and that
you know, they mean he's gonna say that, But that's
what I'm saying. So again, if if I'm giving my
opinion based off of my assumptions off of having met him,
I don't know him, know him. I had an affinity
(35:36):
for him after I met him and spent time with
him when we were doing you know, our work at
FS one at Fox. And the one thing that I
really enjoyed about being around him was his knowledge but
also his his knowledge of of guys from the past,
like he was rattling off, you know, guys that that
played in our error, guys before our error, and and
(35:59):
just personal touch of of how it related to him
in his life and his career, which I thought was
you know, I thought it was pretty cool, it was genuine,
It didn't seem disingenuous at all. So I had a
great I had a great uh interactions with with the coach.
But my whole thing is this, right when you start
getting into situations where you bring in coaches and and
(36:24):
and there you inherit players. Ultimately, when you lose the
way that they're losing as much as they've lost, nobody
wants to get up every day and go to work
when you losing like that, Nobody wants to deal with
one another. When you're losing like that, nobody wants to
handle things in the most professional ways. In fact, you
(36:45):
go into self preservation. And I think because he didn't
bring in guys that were his guys like these were
these were guys that you know, like lead guys that
are all you know, they bring in bevil or whatever.
They have Schottenheimer there. These are all lead guys that
to me understand the idea and the usage of the
tools self preservation. And and so for me to hear
(37:08):
that all of these reports were coming out and all
these things were being said, that that was self preservation. Man,
that that's like, let's let's let's roll him under the bus.
Let's conveniently roll urban under the bus. One we know
the public doesn't care for him one right for two
for two, we're not winning. So that means your job
is on the line. Your job is on the line.
(37:30):
Our job is on the line, which means that you
gotta go home and you gotta look at your wife
and your kids or whoever it is. You go home
and you look at and you gotta look at them
with the idea and understanding that this could be it
for you as a coach or as a player. So
to me, what I think played uh, this is what
I think played out. I think what played out is
that this situation, this situation has has ultimately led to
(37:54):
showing more of how the dysfunction of organizations plays out
in the National Football League, more so than it being
an indictment on a coach that did a bad job
of turning around a bad team. And I and I
hear you. I hear a lot of the points you're
trying to say the more I do. But this public
perception you're talking about with Urban wasn't created by the Jaguars.
(38:16):
He's created by him first. And then to me, that's
the first domino to fall to this dysfunctional organization happening
with the Jaguars, and it wasn't right from from get
cat and to to be a coach in the NFL.
And I'm sure you guys obviously can can speak to
this a lot better than I can. But from the
position you know that I have, it seems to me
that to be a coach in the National Football League
(38:37):
takes a different type of i'll say character than it
does even from a coach in college. And you have
to it's different to be a great extras and old
guy and know the game most of them do. You don't.
Don't get to that level without having a knowledge of
the NFL. But to be like a leader of men,
I think takes a certain character that not everyone just possesses.
And when you do things like you know, kick your
(39:00):
kicker and say, you know, make your acting kill goals
or or you look in a meeting and and and
surround and about sweating note kick that damn ball man
and sweating that don't don't go down that road. You
go down that road. And we got to continue this
conversation because I gotta get my points across. And that's
(39:21):
and that's it, and that's exactly what we're gonna do. Hey, James, Uh,
we appreciate you coming on, man, We appreciate your appreciate
you instigating this even more, agitating this situation. We love it,
We love it. Make sure you check out James Jackson
on Straight Facts podcast on the newly launched up on
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super awesome job. And I think that James is an
up and coming star in this business. So make sure
you're checking them out. Man. Uh, yeah, we're gonna we're
gonna take a quick break. Um, and after we come
(40:04):
back from the break, as you heard t J speak, Uh,
he wants to stay on this Urban Meyer conversation. Uh,
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m drive of of t J's mind right now as
it applies to Urban Meyer. You was feeling pretty he
was feeling pretty uh emotional about it, and not least
my thoughts were this number one. Our interactions with Urban
we're we're fantastic. Well, we will both agree to that,
and we a lot of times interacted with him together,
you and I and himself just talking football and I
(45:31):
like anybody else, thought he was gonna do a great job.
But this is what happens. Adversity reveals our character. He
had never had really any type of adversity. I mean,
his first head coaching job was Bowling Green. He goes
eight and three and ninety three at Bowling Green, he bounces,
He leaves a Utah, goes tending too, and so if
(45:54):
you just if you look at it, he goes tendant
to He goes twelve and oh what Alex Smith is
a quarterback. He bounces, He goes to Florida. We know
what happened in Florida. He wins, he leaves, He goes
Ohio State. We know what happens to ohiw State. He wins.
He had never had this type of adversity before in
his coaching career. He's one everywhere he's been, he's he's
(46:19):
that not adversity. You gotta you gotta overcome adversity to
have the type of seasons that he's having. I mean,
could that be attack adversity in a way of losing. Yeah,
he's never lost like this. And what you said earlier
is so important that I don't think people might have
paid attention to. This is why coaches higher their guys,
(46:44):
because a coach can really go in on his guys
and they don't take it personal. Meyer's assistant coaches took
it personal. And that's why we've heard about this. Oh
he called us losers. If those are his guys, they
don't take it personal. They work quote unquote harder. And
you know this is the can't can't. Can't the head
(47:08):
coach how anybody that he wants. Yeah, but I don't know,
So why how do you get this guy? I have elsewhere?
But the head coach can hire anybody that he wants. Well,
however it went down, those weren't his, Those weren't his guys,
and and and and for what it's worth, listen, I
don't know much about Jacksonville, but I have watched and
(47:30):
read and listened to how things are done there, and
and it just seems to be a tae bit asked
backwards there. I mean they called themselves Florida. They really
are really Georgia. I mean, I let's start there. The
better go get Marvin Lewis Man, I gotta do better.
They better go get Marvin Lewis. So who's got a coach?
(47:51):
Darryl Bevil and and here's the funny thing, right, you
make him the the head coach interim and and he's different, right,
Like he's a he's a league guy. He's been in
the league. But but this is real chill man, He's
real chill. But they've been struggling. They've been struggling with
him as the O C. Right. So I mean, it
(48:14):
ain't like the play calling and everything is going to
change based off of Urban not being there. It was Bubbles,
it was his, it was his his strategy, it was
his offense. Well, this trash that we're saying on the
offensive side, that's his, that's his trash. They need better players, man,
They're gonna go ahead and go to a Jersey and
see if they can get plaques out of retirement. Oh wow,
they the best there. Ain't gonna doing no good coming
(48:37):
up to him. Well, I'll tell you what. I'll tell
you what. We got legendary bombents coming up. We got Rep.
Butler coming up pretty left hook to preview what we
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and that's a big topic. We'll be talking about that,
(02:34):
uh yeah, quite a bit. And actually we'll be bringing
on a legal expert and Brian Claypool and the second
uh second segment to talk about, you know, from the
legal side of it. So I'm I'm excited for that.
We're gonna get to uh this this uh Paul and
Woodley to fight where we got a lot to get
you fellas. I mean, how how y'all feeling. I'm feeling
good man? Uh? Nice sunny morning out here, you know,
(02:59):
not not a cloud in the sky. Feel great? Can
you say the same thing? It is the exact opposite,
But what is it? What is it? Probably seventy two
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the numbers around. And that's what I'm dealing with. Oh
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man a t j um. You know he could stay
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I mean. I ain't gonna be mad at it. I
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But I don't believe that's who did it. But I mean,
we could go with it and just friend doesn't worry,
don't hurt either. Hey, guys, we got a lot to
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we saw we saw a pretty pretty uh competitive game
and could be foreshadowing of what we could expect for
years to come out of two amazing co order backs
and in Mahomes and Herbert Uh. Obviously, the Chargers came
up short. They had a couple of questionable fourth down deals.
Some people, can you know, condoned it or or or
(05:11):
what We're supportive of it. Some people thought that it
was the wrong decisions on taking those fourth down opportunities.
Let's hear what coach uh Staley had to say about it,
and and then I would love to hear you guys
opinion on it. You know, I felt really comfortable with
all those decisions, and uh, you know, the first one
it's a perfect pass, and and you know, just you
(05:32):
have this this really you know, tragic thing happened, you
know on the way down, and uh, you know the
one at the end of the half. I I love that,
and and then it just you know, you know, we
just misschaired on the stick, you know, And um, that's
the way we're gonna play around here. That's the way
we're gonna play. And um, you know, when we have
a quarterback like cars, and we have an offense like ours.
That's the way we're gonna play, because that's how you
(05:53):
need to play against Kansas City, for sure. Um, and
that's how we're gonna be come The team that we're
ultimately capable be is by playing that way. And UM,
you know, I'm really proud of our guys. I thought
like we competed like champions today. Um. And they made
a couple more plays in the fourth quarter and in
overtime than we did. But I felt like our guys
(06:13):
laid it on the line tonight and I'm very, very
proud of them for that. All Right, who got it? Who?
What's your takeaway from that? I mean, they did come
up short. But he doesn't sound to be any type
of remorse or apologetic or apprehension. He owned it. He
owned the grown man style. I mean, you make a
decision and you stick with it, and and that's how
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it works. Had he converted one or two more, oh well,
those are great decisions. We're all Monday morning quarterbacks and
we look at decisions that don't pan out and we say, oh,
why didn't he kick the field goal? I'll be honest
me personally, I'm getting points the the NFL. Now he's
evolved into. Man, if it's fourth and short, these dudes
(06:56):
are going for it and there's no hesitation, it's no
time out, there's no thinking. We're going for it. And
so he didn't get them. But when you play Kansas City,
I think these coaches and these teams and that this
is not the Kansas City of two years ago, that
it's just unstoppable. They're moving up and down the field.
Kansas City is having a hard time scoring. So anytime
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you can put points on the board, you put pressure
on them. Kansas City's defense stepped up and stopped him.
It is what it is. But I mean, I like it.
If I'm an offensive player it's fourth and short, I
like it. You don't get it all it was a
bad call, You get it. It's a great call. Oh man,
I wish I could get some play back to what
I was saying about two months ago about the Kansas
(07:38):
City Chiefs when Vo basically came out and said the
Kansas City Chiefs were finished. I do remember myself saying,
I said, listen, I'm not worried about the Kansas City
Chiefs because they've they've been there before. If you look
at their record, they were I think they were going
to play Dallas, Denver and then Raiders. And I say,
they can very easily run off five or six games
(08:01):
in a row and we're gonna look up and they're
gonna be ten and four. And that's exactly what has happened,
isn't it. Yes, they're still the best team in the
FC to me, period your point blank? Because t J say, listen,
they're not scoring a lot of points, but they're winning
football games. That's all that matters at this point in
(08:22):
this season. And I will tell you all this. But
as far as the a FC is concerned and the
NFC is is concerned, where we are right now, the
eventual NFL Super Bowl champion has already lost their last
football game. Oh wow, remember what I just said, NFL
(08:45):
champion already They've already lost their last football the last
football game. Whoever win the Superball is going undefeated from here.
Who are your point blank? And I said this about
Kansas City for one reason. East back Nolan was my
defense coordinator in New York. He is one of the
most creative minds defensively that we've ever seen. And you
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look at his resume to two World championships in New York,
one in Kansas City. Listen, if he can get to
the quarterback without blitzing, if those those front four can
get to the quarterback and create pressure and create pressure.
He is one of the most dynamic defensive play callers
(09:29):
that we've ever seen. And he can mix it up
in the back end like nobody else, especially when you
have a guy like ty Royn Matthew back there basically
floating around and being uh, the next generation Troy Paulomalo.
Listen to what I'm saying. The Kansas City Chiefs are
for real in the a f C, the the best
team in the FC, and I said it two months ago.
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I'm not worried about him. And there is a great
play caller, Eric Banning. He will be a head coach
one day. You have one of the one of the
best deference difference defense according that he was ever seen.
They're going to make a run and a Super Bowl
champion has already lost their last what what what you
add pr for Kansas City onto your resume because because
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because you understand they were finished, they have the best
quarterback in football. Hey, I might I might be off
on on my timeline, on my timeline, on my timeline,
but I will say, you know, I'm gonna show respect.
We're respect is due. I did not think that the
way they have been playing and the way that their
offense has been slowed down, that that was sustainable. I
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looked at them, Uh, they they're running game. Isn't that
it's just really really slim. It ain't it ain't eating
real well, you know, um and and and listen for
what is worth the Chargers. I like. I like Staley's comments.
I like liked his approach on it. I felt as though,
if you if you know that Kelsey and Hill are
(10:58):
the ones you got to stop. They can't get the
numbers that they were able to get, and you don't
have a running game. You know, It's just to me,
there were there were some things that if you look
at it the right way and and you feel fill
it out the right way, they should have you know,
they could have easily won that game against Kansas City,
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and and and then the conversation be very different. In
my estimation, I will say this, they have learned to
win ugly and and maybe that's the best thing that
they've needed, is to learn how to learn, uh, win ugly,
and also lean on their defense more than they've ever
had to lean on their defense. So I think they
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they become a much a much more dangerous team on
the other side of the storm of what I felt
was a dive from from being as great a team
as we've seen them be. But I'm not certain of that.
I'm really not certain of that. They have found a
way to win. But you know what, the charges were
right there to win the game. In fact, at times
they were dominating Kansas City. It's not the same team.
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And and and for what it's worth, I think that
those coaches have have done an excellent job of of
schematically figuring out how to get these games, um in
the wind column. But I'm just not so sure that
that it it goes the way that you're thinking, Uh,
this their last loss. I'm I'm not certain of that.
But we'll we'll we'll find out. We'll see and and
(12:27):
we'll we'll you know, we'll check that out. But here
here's what we're gonna do. Someone who is in the
lost column that we gotta get to and talk about
is is Urban Meyer. Um. What we'll do is we'll
take a break here because we're gonna bring in Brian Claypool,
who is is an amazing legal analyzes appeared on a
ton of uh Fox shows speaking on civil UM situations
(12:49):
and different things like that. Would be great to get
an expert opinion legally about what this firing represents. UM.
And we got a lot more to get to. We
got legendary moments, you know, we got why hold this week?
And I mean, man, that was that was a really dope,
dope interview. Man, you got big man, I tell you what.
Uh So, So we'll get to all of those things
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you sound a little tired, like like like, ain't hit
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I like it. Man, I'm getting sleep so much sleep now, man,
I love it. You ain't really a sleeper. I mean
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I'm getting I'm getting a good eight hours every night. Now. Well,
you know what you don't do. You don't get eight
hours when you're illegal analyst civil rights attorney, regularly appearing
on legal commentary with various UH Fox News shows. Uh
you can check this next guy out, my guy, my friend,
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him out at Brian dot Claypool on I G let's
bring him in. We gotta get to this Urban Meyer conversation. Brian,
how you doing this morning? Man? Good good LaVar. Thanks
for having me. Man by the way, thank you so much.
We appreciate you coming on to talk about this. UH
interesting Uh. I don't know if we could say surprising
change of events, but the Urban Meyer uh situation is
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now underway post Urban Meyer Air starts in Jacksonville. There
have been a lot of things said about the situation. UM,
I wanted to bring you on and get the guy's
opportunity to possibly bounce some questions off of you as
well in terms of the legal ramifications that are are
ensuing based off of this firing and maybe how it
(19:54):
was handled by the Jacksonville Jaguars. Yeah, you bet I
I not a little bit of breach a contract going
on down to Jacksonville. There's a lot of money at stake, LaVar,
a lot of money. How much How much money is that? Yeah? Well, so,
so Meyer signed a five year contract. I think his
salaries between ten and eleven million dollars a year, and
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by the way, that put him at the top of
the list with guys like Bill Belichick and uh Pete
Carroll and so he's so what happened is Meyer served
close to one year in his contract, so he's got
four years left on his contracts. So you've got about
forty plus million dollars at state. So I bet you anything,
there's going to be a legal battle, uh Shad Khan
(20:38):
of the owner of the Jaguars. I'm sure his legal team,
LaVar is gonna say that we fired Urban Meyer for
for cause, And just so your listeners know, for cause
means that there was a good reason to fire Meyer
other than his two and eleven record. For example, he
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allegedly kicked a player. That's good public image for the NFL.
So if the Jaguars say, hey, we fired you for cause,
Urban Meyer, we're not peeing you that forty million dollars.
So so, just so your listeners, No, typically if a
coach gets fired, let's just say for a bad record,
whether NBA or NFL, and there's four years left on
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their contract. The owners got to pay those four years.
But there's gonna be a battle now, and Urban Meyer's
gonna say, hey, wait a minute, you didn't fire me
for cause. You fired me because I was two and
eleven and I want my forty million dollars. Brian, how
how are you doing? Man? This is t J. My
question is is what is Urban's meyer best course of
action quick to the point. This is why I deserved
(21:44):
my money. Is it the record, because they're going to
point to all the other stuff, and how does he
comebat that? Yeah, great question, urban Meyer's best defenses. You
fired me because I was two and eleven. Let's look
at these incidents to J what they're talking about, because
I think some of them are her hypocrisy. The first
one was, oh, he brought in Tim Tebow to try
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out for a position that he doesn't play. Really, is
that legal cause TJ to fire somebody? Hardly? Okay. The
next one was I think the Jaguars got fined two
hundred thousand dollars early in the season because of alleged
nefarious business on field practices. That was pretty That was
pretty mysterious. We don't really know what that was about.
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That's hardly caused to fire somebody. Then we've got the big,
you know, five pound guerrilla in the room. Oh, urban
Meyer stayed in Ohio. Remember that t J. After one
of his games, he stayed in Ohio hung out with
his family. I mean, we're not talking about teenage kids
playing on a football team. He stayed at home for
a couple of days. These guys flew back. But the
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big allegation is, oh, he was out with a woman
and he's married. Well, let's check that. Check that out.
When I first heard that TJ, my initial thought was,
was he at a strip club? Was he like? Was
he with a dancer at a club? Hardly? He was
out at a restaurant right with his family and a
girl pulled him out on the dance floor. That that that, Yeah,
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that's a less way different dude, And check this out.
Check check out the hypocrisy in the NFL. Last time
I checked. Robert Kraft, owner of the New England Patriots,
allegedly allegedly is down in South Florida getting massages. He's
still the owner of the New England Patriots. White privileged
owners seemed to me to have a different kind of
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measuring stick than than coaches and players. So so I
I think that's gonna be the big issue here with
with the dancing and then and then and then let's
talk quickly about this last time. I think it's pretty
comical as well. A former kicker, I think Josh Lambeau,
oh Urban Meyer kicked me in practice in August, right,
that's yeah, how many months ago was that? Right? That's
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before the season started, right, I guarantee you, t J.
If the jack wires were eleven and two instead of
two and eleven, we wouldn't even be talking about any
of that. So so, and then why wasn't that investigated?
Why was it the alleged kicking of Lambeau investigated? Where
where's the dude process for for urban Meyer? We just
want to kick him to the Kurgan kurb. I'm not
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saying he's a great guy. I don't know the guy,
but look, where's the due process on that? And I
guarantee you, I guarantee there's gonna be a legal battle,
and the Jaguars are gonna use that as an excuse
as well, Oh you're out, you're out womanizing, you're kicking players,
which is against policy in the NFL be but yet
no investigation of that at all. M hm wow. Yeah,
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I just believe it's gonna be a long drug drug
out process because I don't know what his contract entails,
but I do know and understand that all coaches um
contracts are guarantees. So I just don't see how the
Jacksonville Jaguars are not going to have to pay him
his rest of his salary because it's basically in the
contract and with the kicker coming out lambo after he
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gets fired, he said, oh he kicked me, But that's
not a justification of why a reason or why he
got fired. So I just think that every everything that
you just said, hanging out with the girl in the
club and all of those things that Jacksonville Jaguas is
gonna be a long drug out process. Legally, they're still
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going to have to pay every mind his money. And
that's what I believe. That's a great point you and
you use the great great legal tournament's called four cause
that's exactly right. I mean, all these coaches were NBA cloaks,
foot football player, football football coach. I mean they signed contracts.
Think about it. You sign a contract for for a
definite time period. Most people across the country don't have
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written contracts. Right, they go to work, excuse me, and
they're called they're called what's called at will employees. Right.
That means you can be fired at any time for
any reason, upt if it's if it's under Title seven,
for any type of discrimination. Right, you'd be fired for
any reason but for discrimination, and and you're done. You
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don't get any more money your history, but the coaches
are treated different. And I agree with you that he
shouldn't that the Jaguars should pay his contract. But I
guarantee you what they're gonna do tactically speaking, is they're
gonna not pay him the remaining forty plus years. Forced
urban Meyer to file a breach of contract lawsuit and
then try to reach some some kind of settlement. But
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you know, one last point I wanted to make. What
really troubles me about this urban Meyer story. I've read
so many articles about how how inept urban Meyer was
in creating quote a culture. We need urban Meyer to
create a culture of winning in in Jacksonville. You guys
are all all star, former All star football players. I'm
sure you went to work every day. You didn't need
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a coach to get you to focus. I mean, we've
got Trevor Lawrence. Did you hear his comment recently, Oh effective, yeah, exactly.
He's criticizing Meyer about having I think one of the
running backs didn't play enough right. And then I saw
a most recent quote about Lawrence that was disturbing. He said, Oh, well,
now that urban Meyer's gone, I think we'll have more
focused on clarity, really, dude, really, well, we all go
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to work every day, rainshine or snow, right, we go
to work. I'm a trial where I gotta go to
a courtroom. Whether I'm having issues with my daughter, whether
I'm not feeling well at all, whether the world's not
treating me well at all. I still am LEAs are
focused when I go in that courtroom. Why does why
does he need to have uh the right kind of
coach in the locker room to have clarity? That's ridiculous.
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And then one last comment, so I can vent and
let you guys go. I'm I'm a big Steelers fan, right,
it was like I grew up in a trobe right right, yeah,
Plaxico and yeah, there you go. What about my buddy
with my last name, Chase label r Sha Chase. Might
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I mean remember recently when they got blown out by
the Bengals, and and and Chase Chase is up there saying, hey, man,
maybe we need so we did need a different kind
of music during practice to get us to like performed better.
Really okay, alright, so they take that too, well, now
that's what I'm saying. But I mean I think, I
think I think the Urban Meyer situation is a little
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deeper than we're talking about. I personally think this is
kind of a trend in professional sports where where we're
blaming coaches too much for really what players should be
delivering on the field. And I think maybe we'll have
a show some other time where we talk about what
what what's the collateral damage of like these young athletes?
Now with you, I'm sure you guys heard about the
(28:44):
n f T S. The name image like this is
the n I L S. I mean you want these players? Yeah, exactly,
They're they're trying to get money for who me it's me, me, me,
it's not we we we. So when these professional coaches
are getting these young kids coming out of you know,
high school, some high school kids are getting millions of dollars,
now college athletes getting it, and then they're jumping into
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the pros and you you want to put the burden
on the coach to create a culture. Good luck with
that man. Man, that's that that you brought it right here.
That's Brian Claypool. Uh, make sure you check my man now.
He's a civil rights attorney, regularly appears on On and
and provides legal commentary on various Fox News outlets. Make
(29:25):
sure you follow him at Brian dot Claypool on I
G b BC. We gotta do this again, man, like anything.
Legally speaking, we got to bring the heavyweight out like
we We had to pull him out for this one.
My friend. Yeah, I didn't he had. I didn't need it.
I didn't need that energy boost that like the Yeah,
(29:47):
we're gonna see yourself. We appreciate you coming on, Brian
Marry Christmas. Yeah, all right, let's let's get to our men.
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to up on game. Yeah, it's like I'm on your
(31:14):
head with James Jackson. What up? Jack? What's the word? Hey? Hey?
He need that M drive to the way man energy
boost M drift much as much as I would love
(31:34):
to try some night and Paul Man, I'm gonna need
the energy boost. Man, I'm all I'm ready to go.
You guys know what I do? Man, are you guys
doing good? What do you do? Man? Get on because
we're about to get on your head. Who's it you're
gonna get on for? You know? Man? Look look, look
before y'all get on mine. Man, it's talking to me
just to address the elephant in the room. I know
you guys just had a great interview with your guy,
Brian Claypool talked all about it. Everybody's talking about it.
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So it's my term. Man, you guys know where I'm
going with this. Urban Meyer, I'm on your head man,
it's it's it's gone too long, man, It's it took
only it took him only about thirteen games to become
history in the NFL. Right, And from Urban meya to
Urban legend that quick. I mean, that's tough. That that's
that life really comes at you fast. And we've seen
a lot of college coaches make, you know, the transition
(32:17):
to the NFL and struggle before Man And I'm not
sure what he thought like Urban do you think a
good team was just gonna volunteer lap? Only only one
thing falls into his lap? Man and It's not a
good football team. We know that. But at least he's
leaves in the Jags in good hands, right. I kill
an eleven record, obviously one of the worst teams in
the NFL. And I really did try my best to
look LaVar plus and t J really look at their numbers,
(32:40):
and they really ranked no higher than about like in
the NFL and most major offensive categories. I mean, they
got I believe yards for attempt there may be like
four or fifth in the NFL with four point six,
So I'll give him that. But I don't have to
dive too deep into all the numbers and an advanced
bats to let everybody know that the situation that Jack
can build was just shaky, baby. Nothing about it was good.
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And to me, this this was I'm not sure how
you gotta feel about this, but it was a complete
failure on the part of Urban Meyer for me, man,
and to the point where I'm not sure we can
truly evaluate Trevor Lawrence as the quarterback. At least I can't.
I need to see him be in a stable situation
before I judge, because we know the talent was there.
We saw it all through Clumson, all through really coming up.
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So I need to see him in a good situation
before I truly value what we have and Trevor Lawrence.
But regardless of all of that, the terrible play on
the field plus the foul play off the field, I mean,
urban Meyer is starting to sound a lot like Oscar
Meyer the way people got some FIFA dead man, I'm
on your head. There's a whole lot of bologne. And
(33:47):
that was a nice little punch. That was a nice
little punch line. Sorry to get one in, I'd go
on in and what you pose a question for you man?
So all right, I want to get into the personal
side of his whole situation. You know around every mind. Listen,
I've never met the guy. I don't know him, so
everything for me is basically, you know, speculate him and
(34:09):
hit or you know, in hearsay. But you guys do
know him. You know, you guys have given him nothing
but high praise, and uh, you know he's respectful, you
know his football acumen, you know all of those things.
And and you know, listen, it's a small fraternity. Man.
When everybody is saying you know the same thing, you
(34:30):
know it can't be that far removed from the truth
like where they're smoke, that's fire, so so so far
for you, do you view him any differently? Now? Moving forward?
What we're learning, what people are saying, and how the
players are saying there was coach and how and how
they were treat it by him. So how do you
(34:52):
view him now? I haven't heard one player quote it.
I haven't seen it. I haven't read it. I haven't
heard of having the No. I think I heard Marvin
Jones come out and say he said he created he
was basically creating a bad environment with the players weren't
comfortable in. That's why I'm saying I didn't see that.
(35:14):
I thought I thought that that it was more or
less the the quotes that I saw from him were
that that he had respect for urban Meyer and that
you know, they mean he's gonna say that, But that's
what I'm saying. So again, if if I'm giving my
opinion based off of my assumptions off of having met him,
I don't know him, know him. I had an affinity
(35:36):
for him after I met him and spent time with
him when we were doing you know, our work at
FS one at Fox. And the one thing that I
really enjoyed about being around him was his knowledge but
also his his knowledge of of guys from the past,
like he was rattling off, you know, guys that that
played in our error, guys before our error, and and
(35:59):
just personal touch of of how it related to him
in his life and his career, which I thought was
you know, I thought it was pretty cool, it was genuine,
It didn't seem disingenuous at all. So I had a
great I had a great uh interactions with with the coach.
But my whole thing is this, right when you start
getting into situations where you bring in coaches and and
(36:24):
and there you inherit players. Ultimately, when you lose the
way that they're losing as much as they've lost, nobody
wants to get up every day and go to work
when you losing like that, Nobody wants to deal with
one another. When you're losing like that, nobody wants to
handle things in the most professional ways. In fact, you
(36:45):
go into self preservation. And I think because he didn't
bring in guys that were his guys like these were
these were guys that you know, like lead guys that
are all you know, they bring in bevil or whatever.
They have Schottenheimer there. These are all lead guys that
to me understand the idea and the usage of the
tools self preservation. And and so for me to hear
(37:08):
that all of these reports were coming out and all
these things were being said, that that was self preservation. Man,
that that's like, let's let's let's roll him under the bus.
Let's conveniently roll urban under the bus. One we know
the public doesn't care for him one right for two
for two, we're not winning. So that means your job
is on the line. Your job is on the line.
(37:30):
Our job is on the line, which means that you
gotta go home and you gotta look at your wife
and your kids or whoever it is. You go home
and you look at and you gotta look at them
with the idea and understanding that this could be it
for you as a coach or as a player. So
to me, what I think played uh, this is what
I think played out. I think what played out is
that this situation, this situation has has ultimately led to
(37:54):
showing more of how the dysfunction of organizations plays out
in the National Football League, more so than it being
an indictment on a coach that did a bad job
of turning around a bad team. And I and I
hear you. I hear a lot of the points you're
trying to say the more I do. But this public
perception you're talking about with Urban wasn't created by the Jaguars.
(38:16):
He's created by him first. And then to me, that's
the first domino to fall to this dysfunctional organization happening
with the Jaguars, and it wasn't right from from get
cat and to to be a coach in the NFL.
And I'm sure you guys obviously can can speak to
this a lot better than I can. But from the
position you know that I have, it seems to me
that to be a coach in the National Football League
(38:37):
takes a different type of i'll say character than it
does even from a coach in college. And you have
to it's different to be a great extras and old
guy and know the game most of them do. You don't.
Don't get to that level without having a knowledge of
the NFL. But to be like a leader of men,
I think takes a certain character that not everyone just possesses.
And when you do things like you know, kick your
(39:00):
kicker and say, you know, make your acting kill goals
or or you look in a meeting and and and
surround and about sweating note kick that damn ball man
and sweating that don't don't go down that road. You
go down that road. And we got to continue this
conversation because I gotta get my points across. And that's
(39:21):
and that's it, and that's exactly what we're gonna do. Hey, James, Uh,
we appreciate you coming on, man, We appreciate your appreciate
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(40:04):
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it applies to Urban Meyer. You was feeling pretty he
was feeling pretty uh emotional about it, and not least
my thoughts were this number one. Our interactions with Urban
we're we're fantastic. Well, we will both agree to that,
and we a lot of times interacted with him together,
you and I and himself just talking football and I
(45:31):
like anybody else, thought he was gonna do a great job.
But this is what happens. Adversity reveals our character. He
had never had really any type of adversity. I mean,
his first head coaching job was Bowling Green. He goes
eight and three and ninety three at Bowling Green, he bounces,
He leaves a Utah, goes tending too, and so if
(45:54):
you just if you look at it, he goes tendant
to He goes twelve and oh what Alex Smith is
a quarterback. He bounces, He goes to Florida. We know
what happened in Florida. He wins, he leaves, He goes
Ohio State. We know what happens to ohiw State. He wins.
He had never had this type of adversity before in
his coaching career. He's one everywhere he's been, he's he's
(46:19):
that not adversity. You gotta you gotta overcome adversity to
have the type of seasons that he's having. I mean,
could that be attack adversity in a way of losing. Yeah,
he's never lost like this. And what you said earlier
is so important that I don't think people might have
paid attention to. This is why coaches higher their guys,
(46:44):
because a coach can really go in on his guys
and they don't take it personal. Meyer's assistant coaches took
it personal. And that's why we've heard about this. Oh
he called us losers. If those are his guys, they
don't take it personal. They work quote unquote harder. And
you know this is the can't can't. Can't the head
(47:08):
coach how anybody that he wants. Yeah, but I don't know,
So why how do you get this guy? I have elsewhere?
But the head coach can hire anybody that he wants. Well,
however it went down, those weren't his, Those weren't his guys,
and and and and for what it's worth, listen, I
don't know much about Jacksonville, but I have watched and
(47:30):
read and listened to how things are done there, and
and it just seems to be a tae bit asked
backwards there. I mean they called themselves Florida. They really
are really Georgia. I mean, I let's start there. The
better go get Marvin Lewis Man, I gotta do better.
They better go get Marvin Lewis. So who's got a coach?
(47:51):
Darryl Bevil and and here's the funny thing, right, you
make him the the head coach interim and and he's different, right,
Like he's a he's a league guy. He's been in
the league. But but this is real chill man, He's
real chill. But they've been struggling. They've been struggling with
him as the O C. Right. So I mean, it
(48:14):
ain't like the play calling and everything is going to
change based off of Urban not being there. It was Bubbles,
it was his, it was his his strategy, it was
his offense. Well, this trash that we're saying on the
offensive side, that's his, that's his trash. They need better players, man,
They're gonna go ahead and go to a Jersey and
see if they can get plaques out of retirement. Oh wow,
they the best there. Ain't gonna doing no good coming
(48:37):
up to him. Well, I'll tell you what. I'll tell
you what. We got legendary bombents coming up. We got Rep.
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