February 13, 2026 • 37 mins
Dan and Kerry filling in for Stugotz and the guys as they discuss tanking in the NBA as the role the Utah Jazz has played in that this week. Dan and Kerry and Monse Bolanos pay tribute to Chris Paul after he announces his retirement. Lebron James lies to us again. Plus, Dan takes the crew through a game of "Odds & Ends".
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and so much more to tackle this upcoming weekend, Dan.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
If you weren't gonna do what I was gonna do it,
So I'm glad you got it out first. But it's
good to hear your voice. Man, it's been a it's
been a what a week and a half, two weeks
possibly that I that I've been on with. Yes, you
went to some it's.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Been a little yeah, yeah, because we're at the Super
Bowl all week and went to the game on Sunday.
You were in Alabama. So it's it's good to catch
up and it's good to catch up with everyone here.
And we are talking what everybody is talking about. We're
talking about Utah Jazz basketball. It's the only time in
the last I think, I think you play about nineteen
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right eight that the Utah Jazz have been the topic
of conversation. But they were the topic of conversation this
week here on Stutt's and Company, and they've been the
topic of conversation throughout the NBA this week because of tanking.
The NBA tried to put a stop to it yesterday
by handing down fines not only to the Utah Jazz
but also to the Indiana Pacers. But it was the
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Jazz who were fined five hundred thousand dollars for conduct
detrimental to the league. That's how the league characterized it
related to their games against the Magic and the Miami Heat.
Heat game happened earlier this week, Magic game almost a
week ago. It was during those contests that Laurie Markinen
and Jaron Jackson Junior were playing in the game and
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then were removed and didn't play in the fourth quarter.
The crazy thing is is the Jazz actually ended up
beating the Heat in the game that they got fined
five hundred thousand dollars, something that Jazz owner Ryan Smith
pointed out on x But I find the outrage to
what the Utah Jazz are doing, and it's specifically the
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Jazz because I don't hear people complaining about the Indiana Pacers.
But I find it ridiculous and I find it almost
in a way hypocritical that we are piling on the
Utah Jazz for trying to better their organization. It may
be tanking, but Carrie to the point that we haven't
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spoken about the Utah Jazz and a national conversation in years,
maybe decades, and now this is the opportunity that we're
going to start talking about the Utah Jazz and do
it in a negative way. I find it absolutely ridiculous
because I have absolutely no problem with what the Utah
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Jazz are doing.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah, I mean personally, I don't think I care either.
I don't even I don't. I can't remember the last
time I watched a Utah Jazz game besides when they
play Dallas, right, But other than that, I have no
awareness of what that team is doing or what their
idea of success is. So yes, I mean, obviously, league
why we have to find these stories, and you know,
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with the NBA and the viewership going down, I think
that's part of it, right, Like a lot of people
aren't quote unquote paying attention to basketball until around this
point when the football season's done. So I think with
the coupling of football going away, now basketball, you know,
supposedly being in the forefront right now, we have to
have conversations.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Right.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
You can't talk about Lebron forever, can't talk about Steph Curry,
he's been hurt. OKAC is kind of the boring team
that's really good, Like there's there's not a lot of storyline.
So I understand why so many people are talking about
it because they need to, they need something to cling
on hang on to as far as giving the NBA life,
So that's probably why it's it's happening. But yeah, I
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don't think anybody like personally, I don't. I don't care.
They're not hurting hurting my watching experience by seeing them
play basketball or not seeing Laurie Marketing play, you know
what I mean. Like, it's not a big deal, and.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I'm curious and what what Moncey and Jason and Sam
may think about the whole deal. I know, Manzi is
a huge She's smiling.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
I said, she's smiling now ready.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, yeah, bringing it, bringing Manzi? Is this ridiculous that
the NBA find or the Jazz Act?
Speaker 5 (05:01):
I thought it was ridiculous. I am with you, guys.
I feel like they did what they're supposed to do.
They played the stars. I'm confused here. I'm confused. So
I when I saw this, I was like, this is funny.
It's funny because the NBA is just like so desperate
and yet can't make the right decisions.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I think it's I think it's desperation on people that
want to complain about the NBA, that trying to find
something that now now we're up in arms over tanking,
and I don't think that the product is magnificent right now.
There is something missing. I think it is a bigger
issue on why maybe the NBA is because I've heard
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various topics on social media, various outlets on social media
talk about this topic. We did it on Fox Sports
radio shows talking about the NBA and why it's resonating.
And I feel that there's a bit of an NFL
football hangover when it comes from it. But to your point,
care we're right out of the Super Bowl, so now
let's talk about the NBA. And the easiest thing to
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do about the NBA is complained, and I just I
don't want to complain about the Utah Jazz because I
don't think that the Jazz are doing it in a
way that we have looked at tanking previously. And I
think the reason why the Jazz, there's two reasons why
I think that this has become a story, and I
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think it's because of people wanting to complain about the
NBA and trying to find something to be negative about,
and the Jazz pulling their players, which is for whatever
reason that they have offensive to some the other fact
is is I think gambling plays a big role in this,
and because of how gambling has exploded in the landscape.
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If you're making a bet on the Utah Jazz and
you have them covering a certain number and you aren't sure.
Now we know that Jared Jackson Junior is not going
to play the rest of the season, which is a
part of this conversation, but not maybe the immediate part.
But if you're placing a bet and your bet is
lost because of the Jazz's willingness to sit their stars
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in the fourth quarter, then I can see why you're angry.
And that's why I think this has become a topic.
And I know that the NBA doesn't love tanking, and
maybe there's a way that they're getting this message out there,
but I would have to think that gambling also plays
a role in it because from a competitive standpoint, as
are eighteen thirty eight, they're nine games back of the
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playing tournament right now in what was a lost season,
there would really not be a reason for them to
win games. And I would say that for the history
of the NBA, because of how the lottery is set up,
especially in a weighted lottery like it was last year
that this has been going on and on and on
and on, and because the Jazz, who are in a
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unique situation that other teams figured out a way to
acquire a top level player that will be great for
their future, but they don't want they want to protect
their investment. Now are thought of as the bad guy
in the NBA, and I just I find that ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
There, that's a good point about the betting. But I'm
going to offer up to the betting world anybody that's
out there betting UH, the wise thing to do with
not to be not to bet on the Utah Jazz
and UH and not their players as well, because obviously
we know that. But Dan, it's a hundred you might
be onto something with that though, with the betting part
of it, because obviously the financial principles that the league
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and the fines that they sent out to Utah. I mean, what,
what really is five hundred thousand to an organization. I
don't think it's I think it's a slap on the wrist.
But to their betters and to their supporters and the
people that are one hundred percent losing a lot of
money in these in these gambling circles, trying to guess
points and rebounds and all that stuff when you're not
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playing the allotted times. It's just it is. It is
a little bit of a hit to the hit to
the betting world, for sure.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I give the Indiana Pacers they they are They got
fined one hundred thousand dollars, But no one is complaining
that Indiana is tanking this year. And one of the
reasons why is because they don't have Tyre's Halliburton. But
when you look at what Indiana has and what they
could have depending on what they get in the draft,
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I think people would say that's if you were to
have an injury to a star player in a off
of a team that just was in the NBA Finals
that went to a seventh game with the eventual NBA champion,
and you lost your star player. If you could bottom
out that next year, knowing that there would be no
Tyre's Halliburton at all, and get a top player in
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a draft that is thought to be one of the
strongest that we have had in some time, I think
people would say that that's fortunate timing, Like in a way,
it's bad luck that Haliburton had his injury, but this
could set things up. It's set the San Antonio Spurs
up right for the David Robinson at his back injury.
How fortunate that he ends up having a back injury
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that costs him most of his season, and then that
following year they get the number one pick in the
draft and draft him. Duncan, Are we sitting there complaining
about the San Antonio Spurs not winning games. No, we're
talking about the Spurs dynasty and Greg Popovich and Tim
Duncan and the great picks of Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.
But that was all set up because of an a
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fortunate injury. And we're not talking about the Indiana Pacers.
So for some reason, it's okay for the Indiana Pacers
to tank, but it's not okay for the Utah Jazz, who,
by the way, gave up assets to get a star
player prior to the NBA trade deadline. I think that
would be good for the NBA for them to go
out and get Jaron Jackson Junior and say, you know what,
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this guy could be a piece that could help us
for years to come and be a big part of
our future, not just a small part, but a big
part of our future. I think that's good for the
NBA and to protect that investment in a year where
we've only got two months left of the season, who
really cares. But for some reason we're throwing darts and
taking shots at the Utah Jazz when I think they're
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actually making smart basketball decisions.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Oh, they are making smart basketball decisions for the organization.
The thing about Utah and what I hear when I
when I see the stories on them or read the
stories on them, is and even in the games I
seen them with with Dallas, right, they have a they
have assets to be competitive and written in games regardless
they're they're They don't have like top top tier players
Laurie's really good, but they have guys that compete and
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their coaches are really good coaching. So when the product
that you know can be put out there, as a
real fan like again like for me, it doesn't doesn't matter,
but as a real fan of them, when you when
that product that you know is there and you know
they can compete, and it seems like they're taking the
foot off the gas with the competing part of it,
I think that can be the problem. But I don't
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see the Jazz not competing. I think they still compete
really well. So the whole, the whole problem with this
whole deal or the fake the problem with it all
is just obviously something that's going on internal or somebody
that has something else attached to that watching and play
and experience, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, if the NBA wants to do something with tanking,
then stop having a weighted lottery. Yeah, stop rewarning teams
for being the worst, because that's what you're doing. And
I think the Utah Jazz are saying, even with a
weighted lottery, they had a fourteen percent chance of getting
the number one pick last year. Uh huh, Okay, there's
the best of any team in the NBA except Washington
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and Charlotte, who also had a fourteen percent chance of
getting the number one pick last year. Well, who got
the number one pick? The Dallas Mavericks who didn't pick
until fourth, The Charlotte Hornets who didn't pick you know,
until fifth, the Utah Jazz who didn't pick until sixth,
the Washington Wizards. So so those teams tank, they're then
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not rewarded for it because they ended up not not
getting the first overall pick. But still I would rather
have a fourteen percent chance than the one percent that
the Mavericks had or the eight percent that other teams had,
or the three percent. I still would rather have a
fourteen percent chance. And that incentivizes tanking. So if the
NBA wants to really do something about it, instead of
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finding teams five hundred thousand dollars, why don't you just
not have a weighted lottery, right? That would be That
would be the solve all. Then you could continue to
win games, and if you don't make the playoffs, you
still have the same amount of chance of getting your
top player. Then you would have maybe just missing out
on making the eight team bracket or losing in the
playing tournament.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Same sort of deal, Dan, I saw a scenario where
they said the bottom teams that were tanking they would
have to actually there would be a scenario in the
future or possibility of a scenario where those teams had
to play it out for that top lottery spot. What
do you think about that? I think it's no. I
think it's I don't want to watch terrible basketball team
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try to try to win win the lottery. But that
was an idea of floating around.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Well, Also, they don't care. Again, players don't care where
their team picks. Fans care, coaches care, front office's care.
The only players that don't care about where their team
picks is those players on that team, So why would
they play hard? Nobody's like, oh, I am so jacked
because I want us to get aj Devonsa right, Like
there's oh wait, he plays the same position I do,
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so then they'll ship me out of town Like that
doesn't make any sense, Like I don't. I don't know
why people think of such stupid ideas. It is. It
is so dumb, it's it's moronic. It's as dumb as
this argument as well. I also think this. I think
it's easy to point to this because we're people didn't
pay attention. They're not paying attention to the Eastern Conference
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outside of of the Knicks, I mean even the Celtics,
who have had an amazing year without Jason Tatum, Jaln
Brown's in the MVP conversation. Outside of Boston, nobody's really
talking about the Boston Celtics or the Eastern Conference. So
what's the way to do. Let's find the topic or
something that again where we can complain about the NBA,
and let's do it, and the Utah Jazz in tanking
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because it is a wide scoping sort of topic I
think is low hanging fruit that want to complain. But
I commend the Jazz for going after Jared Jackson Junior.
I commend the Jazz for playing those guys at least
in games. That right, that's the big thing. Where what
was it this past week when the Lakers didn't have Lebron, Luca,
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Austin Reeves and Marcus Smart didn't play, so they play
the Spurs and it's this awful, awful starting lineup. Guess what,
at least Jaron Jackson and Laurie market And played in
the game. If you made a trip to go and
watch those players, at least they ended up playing in
the game. And the Utah Jazz are trying to protect
themselves for what could be a strong year in a
very difficult Western Conference. It's just it's it's ridiculous that
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people are trying to ramp up this and putting it
all on the Utah Jazz. I commend the Jazz for
what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah, we need something to talk about, Dan, Yeah, that's
that's really what it boils down to.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Brother, Well, Lebron James is always the topic of conversation.
He had something to say last night that may have
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Chris Paul carry Roads. I don't know if you hear
Moncey's voice kind of, you know, kind of cracking on
the news. Chris Paul sad Day, sad Day in the
NBA carry for some sad day Manzi for you. As
Chris Paul calls it quits after twenty one.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Years, I'm super upset. What I'm really upset about is
that I my jersey is at my parents' house or
else I would have been wearing it would have worn today. Yeah,
I went through my closet. I was like, it has
to be in my parents' house. Where's half of my
stuff is still there?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
How?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
How sad is it? Were you? Monci? Like what I mean?
I know he was a really good player with the Clippers,
and obviously he is.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
He is lop City, you know what I'm saying, along
with like Blake Griffin, of course. But I think what
makes me so extra sad about the situation is what
happened this year with the Clippers. That really hurts me
because that's not how he wanted to go out. Yeah,
and I don't think that's how many people wanted him
to go out.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
And I and I was like, I will pay to
go watch Chris Paul.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
I went to open I've never been to an opening
day for the Clippers, and I went this year to
see Chris Paul's last opening day. And then they took
away my option to do that again the rest of
the season, even if it was to watch him ten minutes,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
And so that's what.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Makes me super sad about it. But I mean, what
an amazing career, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Point god, point god. He did, he did, he did.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
It was very exciting.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Did Yeah, Dan, what's your what's your over overarching I
guess response to this or do you have any feelings
towards Chris Paul in his retirement?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah? I do, because I do, because I just feel
that there is there was so many opportunities for him,
for his narrative around him to change, and it just
couldn't happen for like specifically, and I know Manti doesn't
want to hear this in Houston, in being so close
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to an NBA five. Yeah, and then his body breaks down.
So like Chris Paul, for as great as he was
in all of the accolades and the All Star Games
and the All NBA nominations and the Hall he'll be
in the Hall of Fame with all of that, I
still can't get past that Chris Paul is the guy
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who is maybe just a little bit difficult to deal
with and his body breaks down in the most inopportune times.
And I know that's a really crappy way to send
off a player after a twenty one year career on
the day that he retires, But that's how I feel
about Chris Paula.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
You know the same thing with me. I mean, obviously
he's been a nemesis of mine, been a Dallas Maverick
fan for a long time and just no obviously, even
in college, I was a Duke fan right he was awake.
So I've always kind of been quote unquote against him
because he's been on the other team. But you can
also appreciate his greatness and when he came in the league,
and you know, really like I mean you think about
your old school prototypical point guards, he would have been
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writing now mix, right, I mean after John Stockton leads,
I mean, he comes in and kind of takes that
mantle and runs with it. And he's very similar to
Stockton in the sense of how he controlled the game,
how we Obviously he's one of the top assist guys
ever and being able to manipulate defenses, and obviously when
you think of a floor general, you put him right
in those conversations. But again. Yeah, you're right, you hit
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the nail on the head. It's like, with all that
being said, you would think that that person would win one,
but then you think about you know, the past, and
John Stockton didn't win one, so you got to put
them in the same kind of category. I don't know
when it's all said and done, where he fits in
the pantheon of great point guards as far as you know.
I guess we value winning in that league a lot
more so, I mean, where would you like rank Himdan?
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I know we don't want to. I want to give
him credit. I mean, I think he's one of the
top five ever, but where do you where do you
put him in your in your point guard rankings?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I don't have.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Well, make one up, d make one up. Let's have month.
Let's as monthsia and see what do you have a
ring top?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Maybe for me, because like it's like I John Stockton
was great, right, but it's like I feel like I
watched John Stockton through the eyes of my dad, like
that was one of his favorite players. So it's like
I think John Stockton would have to be also in
the top but he's probably in my top five Chris
Paul For me, is probably in my top five.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And what's crazy is.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Like he was kind of like a little bit of
a dirty player at times, you know, like he was
not the cleanest player. He's no Dylan Brooks or no
Draymond Green, but he had a little bit of that
where he uh where he like instigated situations where he
made things worse, and like he he had a little
bit yeah, let's say edge, but he's a little thirty.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
But I loved him.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
I loved him, and the few times I ever had
interactions with him off the court, he genuinely was a
really nice guy. It's like on the court, it was
like a flip, you know, he flipped the switch and
it was like, I want to take you down. But
there was never that type of attitude that I ever
had interacting with him off the court.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Yeah, my greatest point guard of all time is Magic Johnson.
That's that's who I would put uh at the top.
I'd probably put Stockton second. And now that I've got
I've got names in front of me, like do I
think he's better than Steve Nash?
Speaker 6 (22:26):
That's who I was going to bring up.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Steve Nash for me too, is a top.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah, I would say he's better than Steve Nash. Yeah,
I would you think so I would.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, I don't know if one's five and one six
and one six and one's five, but like I i'd
rather have Isaiah Thomas of course, so like I would
put Isaiah Thomas above them. And now we're talking about
rings as well. But I mean, for what Isaiah was
to the Pistons and who he was, the numbers don't
match up to what Paul did in over twenty one years.
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You're going to have some monster numbers. But I would
just put I would put some of those names. And
it's more of I say era, like I can't tell
you about the seventies and sixties, start with the eighties exactly,
but like like you like a magic and Isaiah I
would have above him, and I would have stocked in
above him. But yeah, probably somewhere on around five or six.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Yeah, right, And when you saw naming names, it is
kind of like hold on, let me let me rethink it.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
I want to split this here here it is, I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
You want to go away back to like the Pistol
Pizez and the John Haplche's. Obviously we didn't see them play,
so it's it's hard to hard to say, but I
would guess our top five or my top five as
far as seeing it, Yeah, probably, he's definitely in there
for me.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I would also say, there's there's guys who played the
point guard position but aren't point guards, you know what
I mean, Like like Kyrie's not a point.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Guard, Like, yeah, he's a combo guard for sure, right yep.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, yeah. So when we're talking about that, there is
a blend of it, you know, Steph, And I mean like, yeah,
you know, at the point at times, but he's not
the point guard that we're trying to judge the Chris Paul,
Steve Nashes of the world. Right So I think that's
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what makes it tricky.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
He may be like, right now, is there a true
point guard in the NBA right now?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Halliburton?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Yeah yeah, Okay, okay, okay, I like that one. I
honestly wouldn't have even like I especially because we have
been watching him this season. But yeah, okay, aside from him,
what Draymond? No, you know what I mean, Like Draymond's
a point center. Like we don't have a point god anymore.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
No, No, said Jason sam Bronson. What do you think Jalen.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I think he's more common because he's you know, it's like, because.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
I was gonna say, like, what's I'm blanking out on
his name, Atlanta Hawks.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Not anymore.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
He's now a wizard Trey, thank you.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
But he's also not really a facilitator like that. It's
hard because they are facilitators and they get their assists,
but they don't the game.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
It's not like that.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Yeah, yeah, the game is. The positionlessness of basketball is
just has changed it and so maybe maybe even an
end of an era, like a way, maybe that's the
way to look at it, if you're looking at Chris
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the Day.
Speaker 8 (25:37):
Dall Let's trying to regain the lead and Christy turns
it over James the locomotive to the realm Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
A spin and finish.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Lakers get the win.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
The Mavericks strump their ninth in a row, the triple
double for Lebron James. They pull away against the one
twenty four, so one oh four the.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Final bad job by Iron Eagle but not calling the
MAVs Kerry Rhodes's maps. But are you happy to see
the MAVs lose that game?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
I'm just happy we're not in in the final thoon.
We're not getting fined anything for taking at this point,
Cooper's sitting out. He's gonna be healthy next year. We're
gonna get a good pick and we'll be back in
the mix next year. Dan, I'm okay, I'm all right.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, yeah, see why U Tah Jazz are doing nothing wrong.
But after the win last night, Lebron James, well, let's
just say this, guys, Lebron James was being Lebron James.
Speaker 9 (26:36):
M I'm a goofy ass forty one year old kid.
I think people should know that by now, right, that's
just me. I'm I'm just a goofy. I got to
play basketball, like they paid me to play basketball, Like
why would not be happy about that? I got to
be with my son and my teammates and people, all
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these unbelievable fans. They've watched me throughout my career and
they give me all the support and love, and it's like,
like I enjoyed, I said work, I enjoy.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I enjoy when I do so half fun. You see
me on the court, see me in in the back.
I just I just love what I do.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Just a goofy forty one year old kid. That's all
Lebron James is. That's all he's ever been. Just a
goofy kid that loves playing basketball with no ulterior motives
or reasoning. It's not like there's an All Star Game
coming up in Los Angeles where he may want to
be fetted and appreciated and honored and get those great ovations,
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because you know what, he's just he's just basically Carrie.
He's a kid who's playing basketball at forty one. Funny
is just a kid.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I'm sure they're a kid with the ball. I'm sure.
I'm sure that was a little bit of that, Dan,
But uh, it's a lot of the other stuff as well,
which we know, we know his uh propensity to make
comments ahead of certain things. Too, like you said, you know,
kind of yeah, give himself some grace and and get
some adoration from the people that are about to be
(28:03):
blessed with his presence. But yeah, this is this is
what Lebron does. And obviously I wish this was the narrative,
and I think there was an opportunity for this to
be his narrative. Early on in his career, people loved him.
He was beloved as that guy the next person. Now
what we've witnessed is just somebody that's overstayed there, welcome,
and along the way has had to push himself amongst
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the greats or to be considered one of the greats,
instead of letting that play out. So everything about him
we know has an agenda, and the agenda behind this
is probably what you just said, Dan. I mean, he's
about to be in la he's in his you know,
in the in the state where he in the city
where he plays his basketball these days, and he would
want some appreciation from all the people that are coming
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and again, this might be his last one. So I
agree with that, Dan.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Jason Stewart.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
You know, there's when people read magazines. US Weekly was
a magazine and they had this little feature called They're
just like Us. And that's what I think when I
think about Lebron Jenius, who among us hasn't made a
billion dollars by age forty one, and he's just a kid.
He's just a kid out there. I think that, uh, Lebron,
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among all the things that he's going to be known for,
I think he has like and he I think he
does his patrol us. But I think one of the
things that he will be known for when this the
documentary is made about him, is he's so disingenuous. Yes,
but he's smart enough to know the right things to say.
He's just he's horrible at acting natural when he does
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these things. He's a bad actor, Kerry bad act. You
saw Space Damn, didn't you? So you saw the second
Space Damn didn't you?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, Yeah, there's no Heck, I've seen that horrible horrible.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah, it was not good.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I haven't even seen the first one. To be honest,
I know you.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
When you said that to me, Dan, that really upset me.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
I'm coming over. We're watching it with Brody and that's it.
I'm coming over to we're watching the first base Time
is so good.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
It is so good.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
He hit on all the he hit on all the
key points. Forty one year old kid. Yeah, my being
able to play with my son. Yeah, they pay me
to play basketball. Happiness. Wasn't it like three days ago
where he was like, we're not a championship team. That's
a championship team over there. Yes, Yeah, that's just that's
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a kid talk. That's child's play. This guy's amazing. But
hopefully he'll get his flowers this weekend. We'll see or
maybe the wall will boo him at the All Star Game.
We'll find out. All Star Weekend is here. He's carry Roads.
That's Mancy Belanials. Jason Stewart's here as his Iowa Sam.
We're hanging out at Stut gottson Company Live. Stut Gotts
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Bless Football. I am Dan Byer. That's Carry Rhods Monty
Belanios this year, as is Jason Stewart and Iowa Sam
in for Stu Gotts. We serve the role as company
today and as we wrap up the week, it's a huge,
huge weekend, Carrie Rhodes. You've got the NBA All Star Game,
You've got the Daytona five hundred that you can see
on Fox. You've got Pebble Beach going on, and we've
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got the Winter Olympics and on Netflix. Have you seen
the Miracle documentary that they did on the nineteen eighty
US hockey team.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I haven't seen it.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Okay, so you've seen Space Jam, but you haven't seen
the documentary. I have seen the documentary, but haven't seen
the original Space Jam. So I think we're even take
that months. Have you seen the Miracle doc Did you
see that on Netflix?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Noja, I know Jason Stewart has You've seen both? Jason,
I would assume.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
I have not seen Space jam okay. I very much
recommend the documentary for anyone who hasn't seen it. It's great.
It's not a hockey documentary, by the way. It's a
story about Russia and the United States and the eighties.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
It's great Soviet Union dominant in hockey up until that,
until that matchup against the United States. The spoiler alert,
of course, is that the US wins. But the reason
why it was the as some call it, the greatest
sporting event in America, the greatest game in American sports
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history is everything that came with it and how dominant
the Soviet Union was. So what I've decided to do
is test you guys. You'll work as a team, carry
your team up with Moncie, Jason and Sam, and you'll
come to a consensus. It's a game we are calling
today on stut Gotson Company.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Live Odds and Ends.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I am going to have you determine whether the numbers
I give you are either super Bowl odds for Super
Bowl sixty one for a team, or are they the
end of game results from the Soviet hockey team in
the nineteen seventies, in nineteen eighties, in the Olympics, okay,
because they were absolutely dominant. You have to tell me,
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is it a Super Bowl odd, a Soviet endgame or both?
Or both? Okay? So if I were to say to you,
eleven to one, is that the odds of a team
winning the Super Bowl next year according to bet online?
Is that the end game score of a Soviet hockey
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win in the nineteen seventies or eighties? Or is it
both eleven one? What would you say, crew eleven to one?
Speaker 4 (34:04):
I would probably say that was an end game, a
score for the for the Soviet Union?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Are you good with that?
Speaker 4 (34:14):
I mean, let me say, I mean, I'm looking at faces, Jason.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
It feels like a both to me. But if you guys,
if you really want.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
That one eleven to one for a team to win
the Super Bowl is really really really high or low?
Meaning I mean low.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
Monty just has a very confused look on.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Her a little bit.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
But I was originally gonna say what Jason said if
I'm correct, But I again.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
You guys saw my face some of it. I could
I could see both it being both, but I also
I don't know it would be the team as eleven
to one to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Next year that could be the Eagles.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
No, no way, Okay, I guess that makes a good point,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (34:53):
Like, yeah, I guess it is.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I would say just Russian. I would just say Russell hockey.
I'll just try to just so sorry.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Soviet hockey score.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah, is it a Soviet endgame? No, it's the Baltimore
Ravens odds to wow sixty one wow, eleven until one,
Baltimore Ravens eleven to one? Wow? What about twelve to one?
What about twelve to one? Is that Super Bowl odds,
Soviet hockey game score or both?
Speaker 4 (35:26):
I will have to say the Soviet hockey score. I
don't think you would go back to back. Hold on,
maybe you go both? Do you think it goes both
this time?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
That's the genius of this game.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
What do you guys think it.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Can also just be odds?
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Right? Yeah? Yeah, every game could be both.
Speaker 7 (35:41):
Okay, I mean this feels like shot shooting in the dark.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Yar I no idea?
Speaker 6 (35:46):
I know both both both.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
That's just fine. Let's go both to both?
Speaker 6 (35:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Both? Is it both?
Speaker 6 (35:52):
No?
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Don't run it? Manzi. Soviets beat Poland in nineteen eighty
four twelve to one in an Olympic hockey game.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Come on, Sam, stick to your guns.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
What about what about sixteen to one?
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Now? Sixteen to one? Definitely sounds like both, I.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Mean, does it? I mean?
Speaker 5 (36:14):
I know?
Speaker 7 (36:14):
Yeah, I mean, Dan, I gotta take both at sometimes.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I know that.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
That's what I'm just going by logic here.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Jack, carry's playing the odds and the ends.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
No, let's go for this. Gotta be football. Long They
didn't beat me boy, sixteen to one, did they. Let's
just go football odds.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Dan, Okay, is it super Bowl odds? No, it's both.
The forty nine ers are sixteen to one to win
Super Bowl sixty one. And sorry, Poland, the Soviets beat
you in nineteen seventy six by a score of sixteen
to one.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I don't like it. I don't like this game.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, you know, three, you're like the Poland of this game. Like, okay,
what about twenty to two, twenty to two.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Twenty to two?
Speaker 10 (36:58):
Guys, don't don't leave me out here by my up
on listen, let me come on, we need to outsmart
this one. I mean, twenty to two would never be odds.
We know that, Dan, it'd be ten to one. So
it's gotta be the Soviet score.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yes, yeah, concur, all right, is it the Soviet score?
Speaker 10 (37:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
I doctored it.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
It's Super Bowl odds. The Rams are ten to one,
but I made it twenty to two just for the.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
Same that's fair.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Yes, find rules.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Finally, finally, what about eight to one? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
It's the problem.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Eight to one. It's both, Dan, it's both, okay, Dan,
it's both.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Show me both your Seattle Seahawks defending Super Bowl champions
eight to one, and the Soviets beat Poland in nineteen
eighty eight to one. Sorry Poland and sorry Seahawks. We'll
tell you why next on Fox
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
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Carry up at Carrie twenty five Roads. You can find
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and so much more to tackle this upcoming weekend, Dan.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
If you weren't gonna do what I was gonna do it,
So I'm glad you got it out first. But it's
good to hear your voice. Man, it's been a it's
been a what a week and a half, two weeks
possibly that I that I've been on with. Yes, you
went to some it's.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Been a little yeah, yeah, because we're at the Super
Bowl all week and went to the game on Sunday.
You were in Alabama. So it's it's good to catch
up and it's good to catch up with everyone here.
And we are talking what everybody is talking about. We're
talking about Utah Jazz basketball. It's the only time in
the last I think, I think you play about nineteen
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right eight that the Utah Jazz have been the topic
of conversation. But they were the topic of conversation this
week here on Stutt's and Company, and they've been the
topic of conversation throughout the NBA this week because of tanking.
The NBA tried to put a stop to it yesterday
by handing down fines not only to the Utah Jazz
but also to the Indiana Pacers. But it was the
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Jazz who were fined five hundred thousand dollars for conduct
detrimental to the league. That's how the league characterized it
related to their games against the Magic and the Miami Heat.
Heat game happened earlier this week, Magic game almost a
week ago. It was during those contests that Laurie Markinen
and Jaron Jackson Junior were playing in the game and
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then were removed and didn't play in the fourth quarter.
The crazy thing is is the Jazz actually ended up
beating the Heat in the game that they got fined
five hundred thousand dollars, something that Jazz owner Ryan Smith
pointed out on x But I find the outrage to
what the Utah Jazz are doing, and it's specifically the
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Jazz because I don't hear people complaining about the Indiana Pacers.
But I find it ridiculous and I find it almost
in a way hypocritical that we are piling on the
Utah Jazz for trying to better their organization. It may
be tanking, but Carrie to the point that we haven't
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spoken about the Utah Jazz and a national conversation in years,
maybe decades, and now this is the opportunity that we're
going to start talking about the Utah Jazz and do
it in a negative way. I find it absolutely ridiculous
because I have absolutely no problem with what the Utah
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Jazz are doing.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah, I mean personally, I don't think I care either.
I don't even I don't. I can't remember the last
time I watched a Utah Jazz game besides when they
play Dallas, right, But other than that, I have no
awareness of what that team is doing or what their
idea of success is. So yes, I mean, obviously, league
why we have to find these stories, and you know,
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with the NBA and the viewership going down, I think
that's part of it, right, Like a lot of people
aren't quote unquote paying attention to basketball until around this
point when the football season's done. So I think with
the coupling of football going away, now basketball, you know,
supposedly being in the forefront right now, we have to
have conversations.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Right.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
You can't talk about Lebron forever, can't talk about Steph Curry,
he's been hurt. OKAC is kind of the boring team
that's really good, Like there's there's not a lot of storyline.
So I understand why so many people are talking about
it because they need to, they need something to cling
on hang on to as far as giving the NBA life,
So that's probably why it's it's happening. But yeah, I
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don't think anybody like personally, I don't. I don't care.
They're not hurting hurting my watching experience by seeing them
play basketball or not seeing Laurie Marketing play, you know
what I mean. Like, it's not a big deal, and.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I'm curious and what what Moncey and Jason and Sam
may think about the whole deal. I know, Manzi is
a huge She's smiling.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
I said, she's smiling now ready.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, yeah, bringing it, bringing Manzi? Is this ridiculous that
the NBA find or the Jazz Act?
Speaker 5 (05:01):
I thought it was ridiculous. I am with you, guys.
I feel like they did what they're supposed to do.
They played the stars. I'm confused here. I'm confused. So
I when I saw this, I was like, this is funny.
It's funny because the NBA is just like so desperate
and yet can't make the right decisions.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I think it's I think it's desperation on people that
want to complain about the NBA, that trying to find
something that now now we're up in arms over tanking,
and I don't think that the product is magnificent right now.
There is something missing. I think it is a bigger
issue on why maybe the NBA is because I've heard
(05:43):
various topics on social media, various outlets on social media
talk about this topic. We did it on Fox Sports
radio shows talking about the NBA and why it's resonating.
And I feel that there's a bit of an NFL
football hangover when it comes from it. But to your point,
care we're right out of the Super Bowl, so now
let's talk about the NBA. And the easiest thing to
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do about the NBA is complained, and I just I
don't want to complain about the Utah Jazz because I
don't think that the Jazz are doing it in a
way that we have looked at tanking previously. And I
think the reason why the Jazz, there's two reasons why
I think that this has become a story, and I
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think it's because of people wanting to complain about the
NBA and trying to find something to be negative about,
and the Jazz pulling their players, which is for whatever
reason that they have offensive to some the other fact
is is I think gambling plays a big role in this,
and because of how gambling has exploded in the landscape.
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If you're making a bet on the Utah Jazz and
you have them covering a certain number and you aren't sure.
Now we know that Jared Jackson Junior is not going
to play the rest of the season, which is a
part of this conversation, but not maybe the immediate part.
But if you're placing a bet and your bet is
lost because of the Jazz's willingness to sit their stars
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in the fourth quarter, then I can see why you're angry.
And that's why I think this has become a topic.
And I know that the NBA doesn't love tanking, and
maybe there's a way that they're getting this message out there,
but I would have to think that gambling also plays
a role in it because from a competitive standpoint, as
are eighteen thirty eight, they're nine games back of the
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playing tournament right now in what was a lost season,
there would really not be a reason for them to
win games. And I would say that for the history
of the NBA, because of how the lottery is set up,
especially in a weighted lottery like it was last year
that this has been going on and on and on
and on, and because the Jazz, who are in a
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unique situation that other teams figured out a way to
acquire a top level player that will be great for
their future, but they don't want they want to protect
their investment. Now are thought of as the bad guy
in the NBA, and I just I find that ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
There, that's a good point about the betting. But I'm
going to offer up to the betting world anybody that's
out there betting UH, the wise thing to do with
not to be not to bet on the Utah Jazz
and UH and not their players as well, because obviously
we know that. But Dan, it's a hundred you might
be onto something with that though, with the betting part
of it, because obviously the financial principles that the league
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and the fines that they sent out to Utah. I mean, what,
what really is five hundred thousand to an organization. I
don't think it's I think it's a slap on the wrist.
But to their betters and to their supporters and the
people that are one hundred percent losing a lot of
money in these in these gambling circles, trying to guess
points and rebounds and all that stuff when you're not
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playing the allotted times. It's just it is. It is
a little bit of a hit to the hit to
the betting world, for sure.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I give the Indiana Pacers they they are They got
fined one hundred thousand dollars, But no one is complaining
that Indiana is tanking this year. And one of the
reasons why is because they don't have Tyre's Halliburton. But
when you look at what Indiana has and what they
could have depending on what they get in the draft,
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I think people would say that's if you were to
have an injury to a star player in a off
of a team that just was in the NBA Finals
that went to a seventh game with the eventual NBA champion,
and you lost your star player. If you could bottom
out that next year, knowing that there would be no
Tyre's Halliburton at all, and get a top player in
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a draft that is thought to be one of the
strongest that we have had in some time, I think
people would say that that's fortunate timing, Like in a way,
it's bad luck that Haliburton had his injury, but this
could set things up. It's set the San Antonio Spurs
up right for the David Robinson at his back injury.
How fortunate that he ends up having a back injury
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that costs him most of his season, and then that
following year they get the number one pick in the
draft and draft him. Duncan, Are we sitting there complaining
about the San Antonio Spurs not winning games. No, we're
talking about the Spurs dynasty and Greg Popovich and Tim
Duncan and the great picks of Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.
But that was all set up because of an a
(10:27):
fortunate injury. And we're not talking about the Indiana Pacers.
So for some reason, it's okay for the Indiana Pacers
to tank, but it's not okay for the Utah Jazz, who,
by the way, gave up assets to get a star
player prior to the NBA trade deadline. I think that
would be good for the NBA for them to go
out and get Jaron Jackson Junior and say, you know what,
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this guy could be a piece that could help us
for years to come and be a big part of
our future, not just a small part, but a big
part of our future. I think that's good for the
NBA and to protect that investment in a year where
we've only got two months left of the season, who
really cares. But for some reason we're throwing darts and
taking shots at the Utah Jazz when I think they're
(11:08):
actually making smart basketball decisions.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Oh, they are making smart basketball decisions for the organization.
The thing about Utah and what I hear when I
when I see the stories on them or read the
stories on them, is and even in the games I
seen them with with Dallas, right, they have a they
have assets to be competitive and written in games regardless
they're they're They don't have like top top tier players
Laurie's really good, but they have guys that compete and
(11:31):
their coaches are really good coaching. So when the product
that you know can be put out there, as a
real fan like again like for me, it doesn't doesn't matter,
but as a real fan of them, when you when
that product that you know is there and you know
they can compete, and it seems like they're taking the
foot off the gas with the competing part of it,
I think that can be the problem. But I don't
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see the Jazz not competing. I think they still compete
really well. So the whole, the whole problem with this
whole deal or the fake the problem with it all
is just obviously something that's going on internal or somebody
that has something else attached to that watching and play
and experience, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, if the NBA wants to do something with tanking,
then stop having a weighted lottery. Yeah, stop rewarning teams
for being the worst, because that's what you're doing. And
I think the Utah Jazz are saying, even with a
weighted lottery, they had a fourteen percent chance of getting
the number one pick last year. Uh huh, Okay, there's
the best of any team in the NBA except Washington
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and Charlotte, who also had a fourteen percent chance of
getting the number one pick last year. Well, who got
the number one pick? The Dallas Mavericks who didn't pick
until fourth, The Charlotte Hornets who didn't pick you know,
until fifth, the Utah Jazz who didn't pick until sixth,
the Washington Wizards. So so those teams tank, they're then
(12:57):
not rewarded for it because they ended up not not
getting the first overall pick. But still I would rather
have a fourteen percent chance than the one percent that
the Mavericks had or the eight percent that other teams had,
or the three percent. I still would rather have a
fourteen percent chance. And that incentivizes tanking. So if the
NBA wants to really do something about it, instead of
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finding teams five hundred thousand dollars, why don't you just
not have a weighted lottery, right? That would be That
would be the solve all. Then you could continue to
win games, and if you don't make the playoffs, you
still have the same amount of chance of getting your
top player. Then you would have maybe just missing out
on making the eight team bracket or losing in the
playing tournament.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Same sort of deal, Dan, I saw a scenario where
they said the bottom teams that were tanking they would
have to actually there would be a scenario in the
future or possibility of a scenario where those teams had
to play it out for that top lottery spot. What
do you think about that? I think it's no. I
think it's I don't want to watch terrible basketball team
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try to try to win win the lottery. But that
was an idea of floating around.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Well, Also, they don't care. Again, players don't care where
their team picks. Fans care, coaches care, front office's care.
The only players that don't care about where their team
picks is those players on that team, So why would
they play hard? Nobody's like, oh, I am so jacked
because I want us to get aj Devonsa right, Like
there's oh wait, he plays the same position I do,
(14:27):
so then they'll ship me out of town Like that
doesn't make any sense, Like I don't. I don't know
why people think of such stupid ideas. It is. It
is so dumb, it's it's moronic. It's as dumb as
this argument as well. I also think this. I think
it's easy to point to this because we're people didn't
pay attention. They're not paying attention to the Eastern Conference
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outside of of the Knicks, I mean even the Celtics,
who have had an amazing year without Jason Tatum, Jaln
Brown's in the MVP conversation. Outside of Boston, nobody's really
talking about the Boston Celtics or the Eastern Conference. So
what's the way to do. Let's find the topic or
something that again where we can complain about the NBA,
and let's do it, and the Utah Jazz in tanking
(15:13):
because it is a wide scoping sort of topic I
think is low hanging fruit that want to complain. But
I commend the Jazz for going after Jared Jackson Junior.
I commend the Jazz for playing those guys at least
in games. That right, that's the big thing. Where what
was it this past week when the Lakers didn't have Lebron, Luca,
(15:35):
Austin Reeves and Marcus Smart didn't play, so they play
the Spurs and it's this awful, awful starting lineup. Guess what,
at least Jaron Jackson and Laurie market And played in
the game. If you made a trip to go and
watch those players, at least they ended up playing in
the game. And the Utah Jazz are trying to protect
themselves for what could be a strong year in a
very difficult Western Conference. It's just it's it's ridiculous that
(15:58):
people are trying to ramp up this and putting it
all on the Utah Jazz. I commend the Jazz for
what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah, we need something to talk about, Dan, Yeah, that's
that's really what it boils down to.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Brother, Well, Lebron James is always the topic of conversation.
He had something to say last night that may have
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Florida to the Super Bowl to Chicago. So out today,
but we've got him covered. Also out of the game.
Chris Paul carry Roads. I don't know if you hear
Moncey's voice kind of, you know, kind of cracking on
the news. Chris Paul sad Day, sad Day in the
NBA carry for some sad day Manzi for you. As
Chris Paul calls it quits after twenty one.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Years, I'm super upset. What I'm really upset about is
that I my jersey is at my parents' house or
else I would have been wearing it would have worn today. Yeah,
I went through my closet. I was like, it has
to be in my parents' house. Where's half of my
stuff is still there?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
How?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
How sad is it? Were you? Monci? Like what I mean?
I know he was a really good player with the Clippers,
and obviously he is.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
He is lop City, you know what I'm saying, along
with like Blake Griffin, of course. But I think what
makes me so extra sad about the situation is what
happened this year with the Clippers. That really hurts me
because that's not how he wanted to go out. Yeah,
and I don't think that's how many people wanted him
to go out.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
And I and I was like, I will pay to
go watch Chris Paul.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
I went to open I've never been to an opening
day for the Clippers, and I went this year to
see Chris Paul's last opening day. And then they took
away my option to do that again the rest of
the season, even if it was to watch him ten minutes,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
And so that's what.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Makes me super sad about it. But I mean, what
an amazing career, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Point god, point god. He did, he did, he did.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
It was very exciting.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Did Yeah, Dan, what's your what's your over overarching I
guess response to this or do you have any feelings
towards Chris Paul in his retirement?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah? I do, because I do, because I just feel
that there is there was so many opportunities for him,
for his narrative around him to change, and it just
couldn't happen for like specifically, and I know Manti doesn't
want to hear this in Houston, in being so close
(18:59):
to an NBA five. Yeah, and then his body breaks down.
So like Chris Paul, for as great as he was
in all of the accolades and the All Star Games
and the All NBA nominations and the Hall he'll be
in the Hall of Fame with all of that, I
still can't get past that Chris Paul is the guy
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who is maybe just a little bit difficult to deal
with and his body breaks down in the most inopportune times.
And I know that's a really crappy way to send
off a player after a twenty one year career on
the day that he retires, But that's how I feel
about Chris Paula.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
You know the same thing with me. I mean, obviously
he's been a nemesis of mine, been a Dallas Maverick
fan for a long time and just no obviously, even
in college, I was a Duke fan right he was awake.
So I've always kind of been quote unquote against him
because he's been on the other team. But you can
also appreciate his greatness and when he came in the league,
and you know, really like I mean you think about
your old school prototypical point guards, he would have been
(19:59):
writing now mix, right, I mean after John Stockton leads,
I mean, he comes in and kind of takes that
mantle and runs with it. And he's very similar to
Stockton in the sense of how he controlled the game,
how we Obviously he's one of the top assist guys
ever and being able to manipulate defenses, and obviously when
you think of a floor general, you put him right
in those conversations. But again. Yeah, you're right, you hit
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the nail on the head. It's like, with all that
being said, you would think that that person would win one,
but then you think about you know, the past, and
John Stockton didn't win one, so you got to put
them in the same kind of category. I don't know
when it's all said and done, where he fits in
the pantheon of great point guards as far as you know.
I guess we value winning in that league a lot
more so, I mean, where would you like rank Himdan?
(20:43):
I know we don't want to. I want to give
him credit. I mean, I think he's one of the
top five ever, but where do you where do you
put him in your in your point guard rankings?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I don't have.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Well, make one up, d make one up. Let's have month.
Let's as monthsia and see what do you have a
ring top?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Maybe for me, because like it's like I John Stockton
was great, right, but it's like I feel like I
watched John Stockton through the eyes of my dad, like
that was one of his favorite players. So it's like
I think John Stockton would have to be also in
the top but he's probably in my top five Chris
Paul For me, is probably in my top five.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And what's crazy is.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Like he was kind of like a little bit of
a dirty player at times, you know, like he was
not the cleanest player. He's no Dylan Brooks or no
Draymond Green, but he had a little bit of that
where he uh where he like instigated situations where he
made things worse, and like he he had a little
bit yeah, let's say edge, but he's a little thirty.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
But I loved him.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
I loved him, and the few times I ever had
interactions with him off the court, he genuinely was a
really nice guy. It's like on the court, it was
like a flip, you know, he flipped the switch and
it was like, I want to take you down. But
there was never that type of attitude that I ever
had interacting with him off the court.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Yeah, my greatest point guard of all time is Magic Johnson.
That's that's who I would put uh at the top.
I'd probably put Stockton second. And now that I've got
I've got names in front of me, like do I
think he's better than Steve Nash?
Speaker 6 (22:26):
That's who I was going to bring up.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Steve Nash for me too, is a top.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah, I would say he's better than Steve Nash. Yeah,
I would you think so I would.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, I don't know if one's five and one six
and one six and one's five, but like I i'd
rather have Isaiah Thomas of course, so like I would
put Isaiah Thomas above them. And now we're talking about
rings as well. But I mean, for what Isaiah was
to the Pistons and who he was, the numbers don't
match up to what Paul did in over twenty one years.
(22:56):
You're going to have some monster numbers. But I would
just put I would put some of those names. And
it's more of I say era, like I can't tell
you about the seventies and sixties, start with the eighties exactly,
but like like you like a magic and Isaiah I
would have above him, and I would have stocked in
above him. But yeah, probably somewhere on around five or six.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Yeah, right, And when you saw naming names, it is
kind of like hold on, let me let me rethink it.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
I want to split this here here it is, I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
You want to go away back to like the Pistol
Pizez and the John Haplche's. Obviously we didn't see them play,
so it's it's hard to hard to say, but I
would guess our top five or my top five as
far as seeing it, Yeah, probably, he's definitely in there
for me.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I would also say, there's there's guys who played the
point guard position but aren't point guards, you know what
I mean, Like like Kyrie's not a point.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Guard, Like, yeah, he's a combo guard for sure, right yep.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, yeah. So when we're talking about that, there is
a blend of it, you know, Steph, And I mean like, yeah,
you know, at the point at times, but he's not
the point guard that we're trying to judge the Chris Paul,
Steve Nashes of the world. Right So I think that's
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what makes it tricky.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
He may be like, right now, is there a true
point guard in the NBA right now?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Halliburton?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Yeah yeah, Okay, okay, okay, I like that one. I
honestly wouldn't have even like I especially because we have
been watching him this season. But yeah, okay, aside from him,
what Draymond? No, you know what I mean, Like Draymond's
a point center. Like we don't have a point god anymore.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
No, No, said Jason sam Bronson. What do you think Jalen.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I think he's more common because he's you know, it's like, because.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
I was gonna say, like, what's I'm blanking out on
his name, Atlanta Hawks.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Not anymore.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
He's now a wizard Trey, thank you.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
But he's also not really a facilitator like that. It's
hard because they are facilitators and they get their assists,
but they don't the game.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
It's not like that.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Yeah, yeah, the game is. The positionlessness of basketball is
just has changed it and so maybe maybe even an
end of an era, like a way, maybe that's the
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Speaker 8 (25:37):
Dall Let's trying to regain the lead and Christy turns
it over James the locomotive to the realm Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
A spin and finish.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Lakers get the win.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
The Mavericks strump their ninth in a row, the triple
double for Lebron James. They pull away against the one
twenty four, so one oh four the.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Final bad job by Iron Eagle but not calling the
MAVs Kerry Rhodes's maps. But are you happy to see
the MAVs lose that game?
Speaker 4 (26:12):
I'm just happy we're not in in the final thoon.
We're not getting fined anything for taking at this point,
Cooper's sitting out. He's gonna be healthy next year. We're
gonna get a good pick and we'll be back in
the mix next year. Dan, I'm okay, I'm all right.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, yeah, see why U Tah Jazz are doing nothing wrong.
But after the win last night, Lebron James, well, let's
just say this, guys, Lebron James was being Lebron James.
Speaker 9 (26:36):
M I'm a goofy ass forty one year old kid.
I think people should know that by now, right, that's
just me. I'm I'm just a goofy. I got to
play basketball, like they paid me to play basketball, Like
why would not be happy about that? I got to
be with my son and my teammates and people, all
(26:57):
these unbelievable fans. They've watched me throughout my career and
they give me all the support and love, and it's like,
like I enjoyed, I said work, I enjoy.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I enjoy when I do so half fun. You see
me on the court, see me in in the back.
I just I just love what I do.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Just a goofy forty one year old kid. That's all
Lebron James is. That's all he's ever been. Just a
goofy kid that loves playing basketball with no ulterior motives
or reasoning. It's not like there's an All Star Game
coming up in Los Angeles where he may want to
be fetted and appreciated and honored and get those great ovations,
(27:33):
because you know what, he's just he's just basically Carrie.
He's a kid who's playing basketball at forty one. Funny
is just a kid.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I'm sure they're a kid with the ball. I'm sure.
I'm sure that was a little bit of that, Dan,
But uh, it's a lot of the other stuff as well,
which we know, we know his uh propensity to make
comments ahead of certain things. Too, like you said, you know,
kind of yeah, give himself some grace and and get
some adoration from the people that are about to be
(28:03):
blessed with his presence. But yeah, this is this is
what Lebron does. And obviously I wish this was the narrative,
and I think there was an opportunity for this to
be his narrative. Early on in his career, people loved him.
He was beloved as that guy the next person. Now
what we've witnessed is just somebody that's overstayed there, welcome,
and along the way has had to push himself amongst
(28:28):
the greats or to be considered one of the greats,
instead of letting that play out. So everything about him
we know has an agenda, and the agenda behind this
is probably what you just said, Dan. I mean, he's
about to be in la he's in his you know,
in the in the state where he in the city
where he plays his basketball these days, and he would
want some appreciation from all the people that are coming
(28:49):
and again, this might be his last one. So I
agree with that, Dan.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Jason Stewart.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
You know, there's when people read magazines. US Weekly was
a magazine and they had this little feature called They're
just like Us. And that's what I think when I
think about Lebron Jenius, who among us hasn't made a
billion dollars by age forty one, and he's just a kid.
He's just a kid out there. I think that, uh, Lebron,
(29:16):
among all the things that he's going to be known for,
I think he has like and he I think he
does his patrol us. But I think one of the
things that he will be known for when this the
documentary is made about him, is he's so disingenuous. Yes,
but he's smart enough to know the right things to say.
He's just he's horrible at acting natural when he does
(29:37):
these things. He's a bad actor, Kerry bad act. You
saw Space Damn, didn't you? So you saw the second
Space Damn didn't you?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, Yeah, there's no Heck, I've seen that horrible horrible.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah, it was not good.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I haven't even seen the first one. To be honest,
I know you.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
When you said that to me, Dan, that really upset me.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
I'm coming over. We're watching it with Brody and that's it.
I'm coming over to we're watching the first base Time
is so good.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
It is so good.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
He hit on all the he hit on all the
key points. Forty one year old kid. Yeah, my being
able to play with my son. Yeah, they pay me
to play basketball. Happiness. Wasn't it like three days ago
where he was like, we're not a championship team. That's
a championship team over there. Yes, Yeah, that's just that's
(30:27):
a kid talk. That's child's play. This guy's amazing. But
hopefully he'll get his flowers this weekend. We'll see or
maybe the wall will boo him at the All Star Game.
We'll find out. All Star Weekend is here. He's carry Roads.
That's Mancy Belanials. Jason Stewart's here as his Iowa Sam.
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Bless Football. I am Dan Byer. That's Carry Rhods Monty
Belanios this year, as is Jason Stewart and Iowa Sam
in for Stu Gotts. We serve the role as company
today and as we wrap up the week, it's a huge,
huge weekend, Carrie Rhodes. You've got the NBA All Star Game,
You've got the Daytona five hundred that you can see
on Fox. You've got Pebble Beach going on, and we've
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got the Winter Olympics and on Netflix. Have you seen
the Miracle documentary that they did on the nineteen eighty
US hockey team.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I haven't seen it.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Okay, so you've seen Space Jam, but you haven't seen
the documentary. I have seen the documentary, but haven't seen
the original Space Jam. So I think we're even take
that months. Have you seen the Miracle doc Did you
see that on Netflix?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Noja, I know Jason Stewart has You've seen both? Jason,
I would assume.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
I have not seen Space jam okay. I very much
recommend the documentary for anyone who hasn't seen it. It's great.
It's not a hockey documentary, by the way. It's a
story about Russia and the United States and the eighties.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
It's great Soviet Union dominant in hockey up until that,
until that matchup against the United States. The spoiler alert,
of course, is that the US wins. But the reason
why it was the as some call it, the greatest
sporting event in America, the greatest game in American sports
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history is everything that came with it and how dominant
the Soviet Union was. So what I've decided to do
is test you guys. You'll work as a team, carry
your team up with Moncie, Jason and Sam, and you'll
come to a consensus. It's a game we are calling
today on stut Gotson Company.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Live Odds and Ends.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I am going to have you determine whether the numbers
I give you are either super Bowl odds for Super
Bowl sixty one for a team, or are they the
end of game results from the Soviet hockey team in
the nineteen seventies, in nineteen eighties, in the Olympics, okay,
because they were absolutely dominant. You have to tell me,
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is it a Super Bowl odd, a Soviet endgame or both?
Or both? Okay? So if I were to say to you,
eleven to one, is that the odds of a team
winning the Super Bowl next year according to bet online?
Is that the end game score of a Soviet hockey
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win in the nineteen seventies or eighties? Or is it
both eleven one? What would you say, crew eleven to one?
Speaker 4 (34:04):
I would probably say that was an end game, a
score for the for the Soviet Union?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Are you good with that?
Speaker 4 (34:14):
I mean, let me say, I mean, I'm looking at faces, Jason.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
It feels like a both to me. But if you guys,
if you really want.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
That one eleven to one for a team to win
the Super Bowl is really really really high or low?
Meaning I mean low.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
Monty just has a very confused look on.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Her a little bit.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
But I was originally gonna say what Jason said if
I'm correct, But I again.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
You guys saw my face some of it. I could
I could see both it being both, but I also
I don't know it would be the team as eleven
to one to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Next year that could be the Eagles.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
No, no way, Okay, I guess that makes a good point,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (34:53):
Like, yeah, I guess it is.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I would say just Russian. I would just say Russell hockey.
I'll just try to just so sorry.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
Soviet hockey score.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah, is it a Soviet endgame? No, it's the Baltimore
Ravens odds to wow sixty one wow, eleven until one,
Baltimore Ravens eleven to one? Wow? What about twelve to one?
What about twelve to one? Is that Super Bowl odds,
Soviet hockey game score or both?
Speaker 4 (35:26):
I will have to say the Soviet hockey score. I
don't think you would go back to back. Hold on,
maybe you go both? Do you think it goes both
this time?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
That's the genius of this game.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
What do you guys think it.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Can also just be odds?
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Right? Yeah? Yeah, every game could be both.
Speaker 7 (35:41):
Okay, I mean this feels like shot shooting in the dark.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Yar I no idea?
Speaker 6 (35:46):
I know both both both.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
That's just fine. Let's go both to both?
Speaker 6 (35:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Both? Is it both?
Speaker 6 (35:52):
No?
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Don't run it? Manzi. Soviets beat Poland in nineteen eighty
four twelve to one in an Olympic hockey game.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Come on, Sam, stick to your guns.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
What about what about sixteen to one?
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Now? Sixteen to one? Definitely sounds like both, I.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Mean, does it? I mean?
Speaker 5 (36:14):
I know?
Speaker 7 (36:14):
Yeah, I mean, Dan, I gotta take both at sometimes.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I know that.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
That's what I'm just going by logic here.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Jack, carry's playing the odds and the ends.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
No, let's go for this. Gotta be football. Long They
didn't beat me boy, sixteen to one, did they. Let's
just go football odds.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Dan, Okay, is it super Bowl odds? No, it's both.
The forty nine ers are sixteen to one to win
Super Bowl sixty one. And sorry, Poland, the Soviets beat
you in nineteen seventy six by a score of sixteen
to one.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I don't like it. I don't like this game.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, you know, three, you're like the Poland of this game. Like, okay,
what about twenty to two, twenty to two.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Twenty to two?
Speaker 10 (36:58):
Guys, don't don't leave me out here by my up
on listen, let me come on, we need to outsmart
this one. I mean, twenty to two would never be odds.
We know that, Dan, it'd be ten to one. So
it's gotta be the Soviet score.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yes, yeah, concur, all right, is it the Soviet score?
Speaker 10 (37:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
I doctored it.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
It's Super Bowl odds. The Rams are ten to one,
but I made it twenty to two just for the.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
Same that's fair.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Yes, find rules.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Finally, finally, what about eight to one? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
It's the problem.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Eight to one. It's both, Dan, it's both, okay, Dan,
it's both.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Show me both your Seattle Seahawks defending Super Bowl champions
eight to one, and the Soviets beat Poland in nineteen
eighty eight to one. Sorry Poland and sorry Seahawks. We'll
tell you why next on Fox
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