September 7, 2026 • 37 mins
Dan and Monse disagree on whether or not Western Michigan got jobbed at the end of their game Saturday night. FOX Sports College Football analyst RJ Young joins the show to discuss the first official college football weekend of the season. Dan and Monse wonder out loud if it is a good thing to share the viewpoint of Michael Irvin on Jed York.
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I want to say Western Michigan upset, but Western Michigan upset.
Does that make any sense?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Yes, it does.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It should be Western Michigan upset, but it's Western Michigan upset.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Oh, totally get it.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
No, no, no.
Speaker 6 (00:41):
They absolutely upset. Michigan, though, because Michigan should be embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
They're upset, though.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
They are upset.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
They should be upset because they didn't have the upset.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
But they upset. Even with their performance, they still hadn't—they
upset them.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Even with Lane Kiffin running up the score in the
first half against Clemson, I didn't know it was possible,
but you could. Yeah. Even with Oregon hanging on by
the hair of their— You know, the chinny-chin-chin against Boise State.
Ole Miss needing the game-winning field goal as time expires,
as Louisville comes back.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
That was fun.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Nothing rises above. Do we even have a name for
the play yet?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
The unfair play? The unfair?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I think we should call it the Western Michigan upset.
And that's like how we should call that play. Because
the Hail Mary in Ann Arbor, part deux, is the
one that sent the Western Michigan Broncos going home and
leaving a lot of fans saying, what the hell just
happened here?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yeah, I was about to say, which Hail Mary are
you talking about, Dan? The first one?
Speaker 6 (01:46):
The one that I saw on my screen that there
were zero seconds left?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Not 1.0.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
2.0.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
That's the one that we're talking about. It was the
highlight of the weekend. It was the play that still
has us talking here on Fox Sports Radio. Do you
feel any resolution now that there appears to be resolution
from the Big Ten Conference and the Mid-American Conference and
Western Michigan ultimately accepting what ended up transpiring on Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah, I think the.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
Way it was handled after the fact was very well
done by.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Michigan and Western Michigan. As you said, I don't have
a dog in the fight. I don't care about this.
And I am not accepting the answers that I've been given.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
There's someone else that is not accepting, but I want
to play Western Michigan's president, Russ Cavaluna. ended up speaking
on this incident. We're going to hear a bunch of
audio here, but this was kind of the Western Michigan
side of things in explaining on how things transpired in
Ann Arbor on Saturday night, what they found out on Sunday.
(02:55):
Here's the Western Michigan press. Oh, actually, we don't have
it just yet.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Just yet. But with that, I.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I think that was like the first Michigan Hail Mary.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
But we now have we actually have one tenth of
a second left.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
They're reviewing it, though. They don't know yet.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
To be able to throw to the sound. Let's huddle
up and make sure that we have at least time
on the clock. Do we do? Are we lining up?
All right, let's lining up. Here's our second attempt at
our Hail Mary.
Speaker 8 (03:27):
How do we kind of rectify the Big Ten statement
with kind of what our what our eyes saw?
Speaker 9 (03:32):
I'll take that because I've talked to the commissioner and
he was gracious enough to let me talk to some of.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
His staff who are over this issue.
Speaker 9 (03:39):
And it is just a discrepancy. I would just say
that what the viewing public see and what the reviewing
officials see are different.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
And that's clear.
Speaker 9 (03:49):
I will say I've looked into this pretty closely and
I used to be a federal prosecutor. I don't discern
anything unfair or untoward in this process.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So Western Michigan has accepted the results.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And I think they have nowhere else to turn. But
he talked about the discrepancy. And that is the question.
Because as you were watching while you were doing your
show on Saturday nights here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yes, I was live.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
As I was at home watching the game on TV,
after watching it on my phone, after we went out
getting ice cream on Saturday night, came home, saw the
final minutes. and my son wants to watch Wild Kratts,
and I'm like, no, we've got to watch this. We've
got to figure out how this Hail Mary settles out.
When I saw the clock and saw the double zeros,
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which we all saw, we felt that the game was over.
So to have the play reviewed, I just thought it
was a normal situation. Let's review this play. Let's make
sure that it fell within the 60 minutes of the
game time. And I thought we were going to have
the official come out and say, The clock was at
double zero when the ball went out of bounds. Game
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is over. Good night. But that's not what happened. They said...
There is one second on the clock when we all
saw with our own eyes that the TV clock had
triple zeros on it.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
Literally watching it right now behind you.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
And it's the topic of the day. It's the topic
of the weekend. So it's this discrepancy that is at
the heart of it, that the clock that was on
TV was not synced up with the clock that the
officials use for replay. And I think that it is
a viable explanation that, And actually, it's one that I
accept Monty to be like, well, OK, maybe there is.
(05:35):
If they have a clock that they see on their monitors,
on their watches, on however it is done on the field.
I can understand, especially when we saw the video and
the replay that the Big Ten office had in reviewing
that play. We saw that there was one second on
the screen as they were replaying the highlight. The problem comes, though,
(05:57):
is now Mike Pereira is the person that I was
talking about, the Fox Sports rules analyst that you see
him on NFL games, you see him on college football, says,
hold on a second. The rule was not... utilized and
executed in the way that it should have been. This
is what Mike Pereira, who also spoke with The Athletic,
he was on Joel Klatt's podcast. This is what Mike
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Pereira had to say about how things were handled in
Ann Arbor on Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Why would there be a discrepancy in the two clocks?
I mean, that's the question.
Speaker 10 (06:28):
You know, why is there when there's supposed to be
one clock that's supposed to be synced really in both systems?
But I think when you're talking about technology, there's going
to be lag times in different types of equipment, even though,
you know, if we were to say, if we were
syncing it, you and I are going to sync it
and we're looking right off the bat and we're syncing
before the game, we look at it and say, oh, okay,
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that's perfect. We're not going to recognize that. to one
hundredths of a second.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
That's right.
Speaker 10 (06:54):
So it shows that there is an element of air
that maybe is in the system.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
So there's where Mike Pereira has said what he had
to say, but he also went on to further say
that the officials were told to err on the side
of what the TV screen says, not what your secret
screen had. And so when we're all at home thinking
that we're having the wool pulled over our eyes. Mike
(07:23):
Pereira is saying the officials were being told the same thing.
And for whatever reason, they didn't take what was happening
on the screen. I've even seen clips, Monty, where people
were trying to sync it up on a Western Michigan
field goal that they had 35 seconds of game time
prior to that, showing that the game clock on TV
and the one in the stadium were in sync with
each other almost to the, you know, to the millisecond.
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But what Mike Pereira is saying is that how the
officials ended up allowing one more play is not how
they have been told to do the rules. And I
think that changes everything because I was fully accepting what
Michigan and what Western Michigan were accepting was this is
what the scoreboard said. This is what we had secretly.
And now Mike Pereira is saying something else. And it
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kind of throws this whole situation back into the fire. Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
Even even with the explanation that I hear what you're
saying of like everyone accepted it for the most part.
I mean, Western Michigan did that explanation to me like,
I'm sorry, we can't have this synced up. There has
to be some sort of delay with the way technology is.
To me, that's not an acceptable answer. that they weren't
synced up. And it's like, no, this.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Was one of those games where Western Michigan was absolutely robbed. Like,
good thing.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Honestly, I hope they walked away knowing that they won
that game because they embarrassed Michigan. And that's really what
they can hold their head high for. Michigan should not
be proud of how they won that game. They should
have never stormed that field. Bryce Underwood should not have
reacted like he actually had a Hail Mary of a
win against a team like Ohio State because that is
not what just happened. So that whole thing of technology,
(08:57):
it happens. There's going to be a glitch. To me,
that's not a good enough answer. Then you add on
top that they're saying you've got to err on the
side of caution and go with what people at home
are watching on TV.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
That makes perfect sense.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Why would you change it? No one in that moment,
I bet you nobody at that game, Dan, was like,
don't worry, guys, there's a second left.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I know it's coming. Just wait.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Nobody was saying that. Everyone thought the game was over.
And Michigan was playing like cheeks, as the kids say.
So why did you give them that second? Would that
second would have been given to Western Michigan.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
If the roles were reversed?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It's a very good question. Yeah, you don't think that
it would?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
No, I don't think so. And so it's like, it
was all right. The game was over. Michigan was playing
so bad.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Why?
Speaker 6 (09:44):
It was such a bad game for Michigan. Like, just
end it. Give the win to Western Michigan. Because that's still,
I know that that ranked team came out with the W.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Your conspiracy theory lends some to say, all right, if
Michigan loses, then that game this Saturday against Oklahoma that
will be on fire. by the way, this game on
Saturday was on NBC, that that game wouldn't be as
exciting because of Michigan coming off the loss and they
would have started the year with a loss. I don't know.
I would like to believe, Monsey, that the officials would
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have given Western Michigan the same sort of break. I
just don't think... First of all, I've been campaigning this,
and I even sent this to you in the group text,
and then I'm like, well, I'm just going to tweet
it out. If you had tenths of a second on
the clock in college football, this problem would not be
there because the Western Michigan player probably would have caught
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the ball with. 8 seconds left. That would have allowed
Michigan then the right to have the play, but we
go by the double zeros of the clock, and what's
final is final. But the other portion of this is,
I hate to say it, but Western Michigan did have opportunities.
You shouldn't be catching a Hail Mary in the second.
(10:58):
There's a reason why it's called Hail Mary. Michigan had
the football at the 25-yard line, their own 25-yard line,
with 19 seconds left and no timeouts. At that point,
you do have to put the game away. But for
all intents and purposes, they did, except for the one second.
So as I look back at it, Montse... And hearing
Mike Pereira's explanation, I still think that what they did
(11:22):
was correct in the matter. It's just nobody wins in
that situation because Western Michigan now has the loss. Michigan,
even though they stormed the field, cannot celebrate this victory.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
They acted like they did.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
They sure did at the time. But I felt if
you did this against, let's say you did this against
Oklahoma State, next week you would be having t-shirts of
you know double zeros and you would have like there's
a bit of almost an embarrassment to it of michigan
winning but i think ultimately they probably got it right
for what they thought they were to do and those
(11:56):
screens and how the transparency of the big 10 like
it or not i think they got it right i
think they did what they needed we needed to hear
the conversation between the big 10 and the officials on
how this all played out So as much as it
sucks for Western Michigan and as much as it sucks
for the kid who probably if he just lets the
football go out of bounds, time runs out and there
is no guy jumping with his foot on the line
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and catching the football and still having a second on
the clock. None of that happens. It sucks for everybody
involved with Western Michigan. But ultimately, I think they ended
up getting it right.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Something you said right now. They seem to have gotten
it right. You know, if there was tenths of a
second and if the timer was a little bit different,
it seems I agree with that. But you did say
something that Western Michigan shouldn't have been put in.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
That situation, right? Like they should have put the game away.
damn they were 27 and a half point.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Underdogs they they did their job they were doing their
job even in that moment that was them doing their
job and they they did above what anyone was expecting
them to and so it's just kind of like in
in that moment that if mish if if this was
a no no matter what i was gonna say if
this was more of a high scoring game maybe No, no, no.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
It wouldn't matter if the score was 42 to 40.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Michigan should have won by a landslide and they did
it and they looked bad. It's not I I hate
the idea like, well, they're going to play Oklahoma next.
So if you know if they didn't, it doesn't matter
to me. They shouldn't be a ranked team coming into
this next week. That was a terrible, terrible performance. So
because of that. You want to give them that extra
(13:30):
chance of hope?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I'd be more frustrated with Western Michigan not having that moment.
It's more about Western Michigan getting an opportunity to have
a landmark victory because if this is who Michigan is,
they're probably not going to be in the thick of
it for the college football playoff if this is the
team that that we see throughout the season. Now there's
(13:53):
plenty of season to go, but for right now, I
don't think that people think Michigan is one of the
12 best teams in college football. And to your point.
So the real loss is that Western Michigan doesn't have
this historic victory against the big school from in-state and
the drama that came with it. But I do say
that they had opportunities for the reason of this, Monty. Again,
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Michigan completed a pass at midfield that got them to
nine seconds where they could throw the first Hail Mary.
The next one ended up taking the eight seconds off
the clock, and then the one second was where they won.
Western Michigan had the football on a third down play,
third and three, and they fumbled the snap. Center maybe
didn't realize they were in shotgun play. And if you
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run a play in that situation, I think you take
more of the game clock off before the 42nd clock resets.
You also could have gotten a first down in that scenario.
Michigan didn't have any timeouts. And guess what? You run
out the clock and you win 9-7. Instead, they had
to settle and kick the field goal. They then kicked off.
I think they made the right choice. I don't think
they needed to go for it on fourth down. By
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any means, kick the field goal. You're saying to yourself, okay,
only a Hail Mary beats us. Hindsight's 20-20. But they did.
In that moment, you're not sitting there thinking, boy, that
fumbled snap that we recovered, that's going to come back
and bite us. But ultimately, it might have. And so
I think if you're a football coach and if you're
anybody on the Western Michigan staff, that's what you're looking at.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
You're right.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
They were perfect. They held the ball for more than
40 minutes of that ball game. And the way they
defended the Hail Mary was not perfect because you let J.J.
Buchanan get in front of everybody. Bryce Underwood threw it
from his back foot on their own 40-yard line, threw
it 60 yards in the air. If he waits a
millisecond longer, he's sacked, and the ball doesn't go anywhere.
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So there's, I think, a lot of things of what-ifs
for Western Michigan, even if they feel they got robbed,
because I do think that they had opportunities. It's unfortunate
they don't have the historic win, but ultimately, I just...
I think the officials did what they thought was right.
I don't think that it was fixed. I don't think
that they wanted to side with Michigan. So you have
an unbeaten team facing Oklahoma. I think they did took
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everything into account of how it should play out and
then executed it that way. It's just ultimately Michigan made
the play at the end.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
But I guess, I mean, hearing that the officials were
told to avoid the controversy to, you know, approach the
situation with caution. And to use the time that people
see at home on TV, knowing that information, it's hard
for me to think that this wasn't, not that it
was fixed, but that it was like, we should really
give them a chance to win. We should, you know,
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like Bryce Underwood overthrew that, this next one, he won't
overthrow it.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
It'll land in the end zone.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Like, it just seems like, to me, not 100% innocent
in just making the right decision.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
I don't see it like that.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Jason Stewart, you took in the game on Saturday night
as well. Where do you lie on this call by
the officials?
Speaker 8 (16:56):
That's less important than I think. I've spent the last
48 hours seeing how it's been covered and how it's
been talked about. And I can't believe that there has
not been the word screw job used in the last
15 minutes. I thought by law, if you talk about
sports in the last 48 hours, you had to say
that someone got screwed. Screw job.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
The Montreal screw job to Bret Hart. The Ann Arbor
screw job to Western Michigan.
Speaker 8 (17:24):
Yeah, I'm just shocked. And I want to say the
buyer's opinion is so contrarian to what you would think
as an Ohio State fan that I've kind of been
shocked by this. You told me that you talked about
it all day yesterday and I missed the show, so
this is coming as a new opinion to me. I
just haven't heard what you just laid out. Not a
(17:46):
lot of people are giving... Michigan the benefit of the
doubt here. This was a screw job. It is a
screw job. It's the easiest thing to say that it
was a screw job. So credit for you having that opinion. Personally,
I thought it was a screw job. I think Western
Michigan got screwed.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I think you're in lockstep with with Monsey on that.
But they think they got screwed because Michigan got another opportunity.
And I think that the reason that Michigan got another
opportunity is because the referees felt that they were doing
their job and felt that they were doing their job correctly.
They didn't do a great job.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
They didn't do a great job. They did not do
a great job.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
I also, I don't, I am not saying, like, Western Michigan,
you should have done better in this. They weren't, they
were never supposed to be in this situation.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Right, I understand that.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
So a little bit of luck had to go their way,
and you took the luck away. Like, you made a
decision where it was like, it seems, the game is over. Again,
nobody at the game thought there was a second left,
the way that.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
went down.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Isaac Lohencron?
Speaker 11 (18:51):
I look at it completely from a broadcast perspective. If
I am the producer of the telecast and I know
that that game clock is actually not synced and not official,
there's no way I want it in my telecast at
all if it's not the official synced game clock.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Right.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
We've seen that sink in a number of telecasts in
different sports, and no television producer in his right mind
would want it if they know that it's not synced 100%.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
This leads me up to the final point, and we
have RJ Young coming up in just a little bit.
We'll get his thoughts, Fox Sports College football insider. My
point about the tenths of a second is this, and
I've said this, and that's why I tweeted it, and
that's why I sent it to the group text. By
the way, I tweeted it in 2020. I've been on
this case. If Western Michigan's defender who caught the ball
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on the Hail Mary, where we think that the clock
says double zeros, he likely catches it again. with 0.8
on the clock or 0.6 on the clock. The full
60 minutes of a football game is really not a lapse.
Now it's for every single football game that it is.
But if when the clock hits one and goes to zero,
there should be nine tenths of a second that still
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have to elapse. So ultimately, in this game, and it's
what college football needs to change, they need to put
tenths of a second at the end of the half
and at the end of the games. Is Michigan at
59 minutes and 59 seconds to win that football game?
Because ultimately, when you saw the triple zeros, they're not
showing you the tenths of a second. And that's what
would have kept this alive. So when we talk about
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moving this story forward, I think this is going to
be the impetus of that change. I think next year
you will see tenths of a second. in a college
football game because if the defender catches that ball like
he did or touches the ball like he did michigan
still would have had time on the clock whether it
be on the replay or on the tv one even
if there was one tenth of a second it still
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would have to fill out the full 60 minutes of
a football game and that's where it is not doing
that on the clock and that's why i think it's
so important.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Well make sure those clocks are synced because if not
we're we have another problem.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Well And we'll find out if they're synced then by
the tenth of a second, which I think will be
a lot easier than it would be with a one
or a zero. And if we're going down to the
hundredth of a second, then I then I think maybe
we've lost the plot. But I do think that the
tenth of a second does need to be added to
these college football clocks. She's Monty Bolaños. I'm Dan Beyer.
Get her at Western Michigan Monty. At Yahoo. That is
(21:22):
her email address. No, I'm just kidding. By the way,
HP tweets in, something is rotten in Michigan. And Dutch
Marine says, happy Labor Day, Monsey. So there it is.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Happy Labor Day.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
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Speaker 2 (21:45):
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in college football. Find him on X at RJ underscore Young.
RJ Young joins the program once again. Hello, RJ. How
are you?
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Dan, thanks so much for that introduction, man. I am swell.
It is Labor Day. We are playing ball, man.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
We are. We are playing ball and we played a
lot of ball and we played a lot of ball
with zeros on the clock in Ann Arbor. I ultimately
think the officials got it right. Monsey feels Western Michigan
was robbed. Where do you stand on the screw job
in Ann Arbor, as our executive producer likes to call it?
Speaker 5 (22:37):
This is how conspiracy theorists get to be told they're right.
This is how you don't trust anybody ever again. Turns
out you have a clock that the officials see and
a clock that the rest of us see, that these
two clocks are not synced up to Greenwich meantime, or
even just to each other, I feel like that is
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a dereliction of duties. Like that's where I put the
blame here is somebody in the truck needed to say, Hey,
there's a second difference between these things. It might matter.
And maybe this is the first time that it ever had,
but yeah, I'm with Monty on this. I think that
Michigan got an extra play to make a Hail Mary
happen and they got lucky. But the nice thing for
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us is They don't get to be lucky more than once,
especially against a better team than, with all due respect,
directional Michigan.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Thank you. I agree. It was a screw job. And
I like how you said it.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
This is one of those things that it makes people
not want to trust anything when it comes to sports.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
So I'm glad that you put that.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
But let's let's move on and talk about another big
guy in college football.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
That annoys me. Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Lane Kiffin and his performance with LSU against Clemson obviously
comes out on top. But do you walk away from
that giving LSU credit or discrediting Clemson and Dabo Sweeney?
Speaker 5 (23:56):
I walk away from that thinking two things can be
true at the same time. Dabo Sweeney needs to enter
into a season of prayer. I hope everything is going
well for him at Clemson. I hope he figures this
out because I don't want it to go out like this.
On the LSU front, you remember how much we didn't
like 2023 in Michigan and how much those players just
(24:16):
did not care. And they went out and they just
decided to beat every single team they played. That's how
this feels for me right now. Like the cognitive dissonance
between how we feel about Lane Kiffin And how the
players must feel about Lane Kiffin is the size of
the grand Canyon. But at the end of the day,
they're like, look at what we did to Clemson. Look
at what we plan to do to the rest of
(24:37):
our schedule. I think we're going to continue to go.
I don't like Lane Kiffin or anything that he stands
for while his players go. Yeah. But while we're at it,
we might as well try to win the national championship.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
You know, it's funny to me. Um, the, the comment
that Lane Kiffin made to Holly row, um, I have
my thoughts. Monty has her thoughts. How much do you
think that Lane Kiffin knew that he was still on
camera and on mic with the comment about the pro players?
Speaker 5 (25:04):
One million percent.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Okay, good. We're all on the same page.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
All right.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
No, I mean, and what else would he have said
other than what he did? Like he has entered into
this space going, Hey, I don't really care anymore. I'm
just going to do what LSU would normally do, which
is not care anymore and go after people. Because, frankly,
he earned that. He earned that with the way that
they played.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, I'll tell you what. Ole Miss earned a hard-fought
victory against Louisville, Lane Kiffin's former team. Are you less
high on Ole Miss after last night's performance? Where do
you stand on Lane Kiffin's former team that they're going
to face in less than two weeks?
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I'm more curious about... How 2025 Ole Miss was different
from 2024 Ole Miss? Because if you'll remember, Pete Golden's
defense was giving it up like they gave it up
against Louisville to almost everybody they played. I mean, as
a joke, I think he made Pete Golden his World
Awards finalist. And that was like, come on, he's one
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of the worst scoring defenses in the league and y'all
can't stop anybody. Now, that said, it feels a lot
like that team, right? They're really good at putting the
ball in Trinidad Chambliss' hands, who is going to go
get you a bucket. But he's got, he being Pete Golding,
has a real problem in that secondary because Louisville wide
receivers running butt naked open is not a good thing
for you going into SEC play, let alone LSU is
(26:27):
going to have a field day with this. So I
think it's going to look a lot like 2024 Ole Miss,
which is not a bad thing. It's just not the
kind of team that wins two college football playoff games.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Before we move on completely from Lane Kiffin and LSU,
just a quick question. Do you think that he or
LSU are going to put those former now NFL players
on the roster at some point this season?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Quick answer. No, he's a coward. That's what that was.
You made us go through all of this. You made
a lot of noise, just like you did for the
Ole Miss LSU job. And after all that, you are
too cowardly. to put them on the roster and go
fight the SEC. I hate this. I hate this for
the players. I hate this for us, because we wasted
so much time and energy on this, only for him
(27:12):
to go at 11.59 p.m. on Friday night. You know what?
Speaker 8 (27:15):
No.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
I don't actually want to contend with the consequences that
might come from my actions.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Analyst for Fox Sports, covering the great sport of college football,
RJ Young, joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. A
couple of other things. key matchups that we saw this weekend.
Any concern with Notre Dame? Seemed to get off on
a slow start yesterday against Wisconsin in that game at Lambeau.
Any concern with the Fighting Irish from their week one performance?
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Not particularly. Like, I got off a good joke at
the start, which is that Notre Dame looked like a
team that hadn't played a bowl game. But they put
that away, right? And one of the ways they put
that away is they let C.J. Carr see it and
throw it. So Mike Russell was content to play an
umbrella defense and leave the middle of the field open,
and C.J. Carr just kept throwing 7- to 12-yard passes
to wide receivers that were open in the middle of
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the field, and that opened up the running game for
Aeneas Williams. What I was really impressed by was the defense, right?
Chris Ashe's defense comes back to play. D.J. McKinney would
pick sticks at really great... race the game open i'm
not concerned about it but i do have a fun
fact for you again and it is that marcus freeman
has yet to play at september as head coach at
notre dame without a loss in south bend so it's
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still it's still there we can still be a little
bit fearful that something bad might happen but it feels
like this team is everybody it's everything that we thought
it was going to.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Be another team that had a slow start was number
two oregon but you know they kind of Came out
of it in the second half a little bit better
and survived against Boise State.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Worried about Oregon at all?
Speaker 5 (28:47):
No, I just think that Boise State's a good football team, honestly. Like,
the question I had was, if this team goes 11-1
and North Dakota State goes 12-0, which one are you
picking for the college football playoff? And that's a difficult
answer for me right now, given that I expect both
those teams to be good. But I genuinely think that
most people didn't think that Boise State would be up
for this game in the way they did. And then
Oregon is a good football team, and they have to
(29:10):
show that. They need to get the ball rolling a
little bit quicker the rest of the way, though.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
All right, last one for RJ Young. And, of course,
we're going to look ahead. do the week one results
uh from columbus or from austin uh change your mind
at all on how the game when those two teams
ohio state and texas play saturday night in austin uh
any takeaways from week one that could lend to that
titanic matchup in week two.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
That the stars showed up for both of those teams
against nobody i want them to show up in this
game right in our can be the Arch that I
saw in the second half of last year, even this year,
so much fun. And this could be a preview of
the national championship game. Both of those teams are that
talented and good. I'm just excited to see them go
at it. And, you know, for Texas, one more than
seven points. See how that works out for you.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Right. They had opportunities there at the goal line last year.
I'm curious on Ohio State's offensive front. The running game
wasn't great against Ball State. Ended up wearing them down
at the end, but we'll see if Bo Jackson and
the other running backs for the Buckeyes will be able
to break through. There's multiple Jacksons in the Ohio State backfield,
(30:14):
and we know the targets that Julian Sane has, but
should be a fun one on Saturday night. Who do
you like in that game as we're six days away?
Speaker 5 (30:23):
I'm still going to go with Ohio State. It's really,
does that offensive line figure it out? Like, that's what
you're referring to. Bo Jackson, Jacoby Jackson got off, but
it was in the second half, and it was after,
I'm sure, Ryan Day got into their behind. Because this is,
this can't go on. You gave up two sacks of
Ball State. You couldn't move the football running it. And
it became, you know, the Jeremiah Smith show, which might
be what you have to do. But if that offensive
(30:45):
line that is so experienced can't figure out how to
move people off the ball, then Texas might actually have
their way with Ohio State, and that's not going to
be a good look for anybody close.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, we'll see how much Legend Bay is also unleashed
in this game in Austin for the Buckeyes. RJ, it's
always great talking to you. Can't wait to catch up
again at some point during the season. Have a great
Labor Day and enjoy Week 2.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Dan, Monty, thanks so much for today, and I will.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
RJ Young. No one knows more about the college football
game than RJ.
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Speaker 2 (31:57):
You know, recently we were together filling in on Stu
Gotts and Company, and we kind of went to bat
for Jed York a bit.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
A little bit, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
The 49ers owner who got caught up into that prostitution sting.
And I felt like we were in the minority of
that situation. ESPN called it disgusting. The whole situation was disgusting. Well,
someone has joined our side, Montse, in feeling that, okay,
(32:28):
maybe it wasn't as big of a deal. And I
don't know if this helps or hurts our cause, but
it is the playmaker, Michael Irvin, coming to the defense
of Jed York on Twitch.
Speaker 9 (32:38):
He got divorced five, six months ago.
Speaker 11 (32:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
And I'm like, man, come on, man.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Is that really a crime?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
You know, that man ain't gonna leave that alone. Everybody's
paying for it. Everybody's paying for it.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Here's my take. You got a girlfriend?
Speaker 5 (32:52):
What?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
You got a girlfriend?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
No, I don't have a girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
You take her out to eat?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
You paying for it?
Speaker 7 (32:55):
You pay for it regardless.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You buying a gift?
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Right. You taking her for food and then taking her home?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Why we got to embarrass this man for $ 140?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
He's not.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
It was $ 140? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
And that's another thing, too. So people think.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
You're a billionaire.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Why don't you go to high-end places? The high-end places
get you in trouble all the time. Okay, so Michael Irvin,
who is much, I think, much more maybe experienced in this,
the way that he speaks and how I would think
than I would be, makes a compelling case for Jed York.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
Yeah, no, his overall sentiment is what we're saying, that
in reality, I don't know how big of a deal
this really was.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
I think that's what we're sharing, but... um i don't
know if i would compare it the.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Way he did to just buying meals for your girlfriend
or your wife or flowers or taking them out in
the sense of like you're still spending money yeah i wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I don't know if i agree to that comparison but uh.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Yeah i think what we're saying is it wasn't that
big of a deal right i mean he's embarrassment enough.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
His point on talking about the high end is something
that I didn't realize that you could also get in
trouble because I think that was our point of like,
that's where Jed York messed up.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
You could go to a spot, pay a lot more
for your privacy and secrecy or that you thought that
you were to get instead of responding to an ad
and calling back multiple times to make sure that would work.
That was our argument. His point is those other ones
will screw you, too. So if you can save money,
do it. And that's right. That is what Michael Irvin
is saying. And all of the gifts and all of
(34:37):
the meals. I'm with you like that. It's not a
it's not a payment plan. It's not like four meals
get you this. It's not a punch card at Subway
where you trade in the four meals and then you
get this. Maybe for some it is. Who knows? Jason Stewart,
you love to hear Michael Irvin wax poetically on this topic.
Speaker 8 (34:57):
I want to focus on what you had said initially.
Michael Irvin kind of agreed with your guys' sentiment. Is
that a good thing? I'm going to say no. The
person that developed, instigated, and perpetuated the White House in
the 90s with the Cowboys and spoke openly about it
in the Jerry Jones documentary that no other player would
(35:19):
even touch. Michael Irvin is candid, and I love that.
But do you want to share his worldview when it
comes to crimes?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
He asked in that soundbite.
Speaker 8 (35:30):
Is that really illegal? Yes, it's a federal law that
you cannot solicit and prostitute. It is illegal. That's the
short answer to your question, Michael Irvin. So, yeah, I
don't know if we want to be on the same
side with Michael Irvin.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I think Irvin's point is it's illegal, but is it wrong?
Speaker 11 (35:49):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Like, that's what he's saying.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
That is what he's saying.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
It may be illegal, but is it not wrong?
Speaker 4 (35:54):
It's not. I hear, it's not good. It's not good
for us, sure, to be on the same side, I guess.
It's really not good for Mr.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
York.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Like, he's the one that comes out the worst with
all of this.
Speaker 8 (36:05):
How is he still the owner of the 49ers again?
Why has the NFL not come down on this?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Oh, I'm sure there will be at some point. I
don't know what Bob Craft, I can't remember the Bob
Craft situation, but I mean, it's along those same lines.
So whatever happened with Bob Kraft would happen with Jed York.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
Because that's the difference, right? If Chris and I were
caught doing this on a weekend, that's one thing. But
the owner of a major franchise in the NFL did it.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Well, yeah. He served a day in jail.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
Right.
Speaker 11 (36:39):
He did.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
He served that. He paid his fine.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
He's serving humiliation as we speak.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Still.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Still.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
It's the fact of like Irvin had like the same
thought process of it. And Michael Irvin just lives in
a different world than I do. But the different world,
and I agree that the buying meals.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Is not a part of it.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
It's not it.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
That ain't it.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
It doesn't feel like it's a punch card. That's how
Michael Irvin is. Right.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
He's like he's working towards it. Aren't you working towards it?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
There are some punch cards that work after one punch.
Speaker 8 (37:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
There are some that work after 10. I think that's
what he's getting to. We're going to be getting to
a Mount Rushmore Monday next year on Stu Gotts and Company.
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Now let's get this party started.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I want to say Western Michigan upset, but Western Michigan upset.
Does that make any sense?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Yes, it does.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It should be Western Michigan upset, but it's Western Michigan upset.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Oh, totally get it.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
No, no, no.
Speaker 6 (00:41):
They absolutely upset. Michigan, though, because Michigan should be embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
They're upset, though.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
They are upset.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
They should be upset because they didn't have the upset.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
But they upset. Even with their performance, they still hadn't—they
upset them.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Even with Lane Kiffin running up the score in the
first half against Clemson, I didn't know it was possible,
but you could. Yeah. Even with Oregon hanging on by
the hair of their— You know, the chinny-chin-chin against Boise State.
Ole Miss needing the game-winning field goal as time expires,
as Louisville comes back.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
That was fun.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Nothing rises above. Do we even have a name for
the play yet?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
The unfair play? The unfair?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I think we should call it the Western Michigan upset.
And that's like how we should call that play. Because
the Hail Mary in Ann Arbor, part deux, is the
one that sent the Western Michigan Broncos going home and
leaving a lot of fans saying, what the hell just
happened here?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yeah, I was about to say, which Hail Mary are
you talking about, Dan? The first one?
Speaker 6 (01:46):
The one that I saw on my screen that there
were zero seconds left?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Not 1.0.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
2.0.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
That's the one that we're talking about. It was the
highlight of the weekend. It was the play that still
has us talking here on Fox Sports Radio. Do you
feel any resolution now that there appears to be resolution
from the Big Ten Conference and the Mid-American Conference and
Western Michigan ultimately accepting what ended up transpiring on Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah, I think the.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
Way it was handled after the fact was very well
done by.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Michigan and Western Michigan. As you said, I don't have
a dog in the fight. I don't care about this.
And I am not accepting the answers that I've been given.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
There's someone else that is not accepting, but I want
to play Western Michigan's president, Russ Cavaluna. ended up speaking
on this incident. We're going to hear a bunch of
audio here, but this was kind of the Western Michigan
side of things in explaining on how things transpired in
Ann Arbor on Saturday night, what they found out on Sunday.
(02:55):
Here's the Western Michigan press. Oh, actually, we don't have
it just yet.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Just yet. But with that, I.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I think that was like the first Michigan Hail Mary.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
But we now have we actually have one tenth of
a second left.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
They're reviewing it, though. They don't know yet.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
To be able to throw to the sound. Let's huddle
up and make sure that we have at least time
on the clock. Do we do? Are we lining up?
All right, let's lining up. Here's our second attempt at
our Hail Mary.
Speaker 8 (03:27):
How do we kind of rectify the Big Ten statement
with kind of what our what our eyes saw?
Speaker 9 (03:32):
I'll take that because I've talked to the commissioner and
he was gracious enough to let me talk to some of.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
His staff who are over this issue.
Speaker 9 (03:39):
And it is just a discrepancy. I would just say
that what the viewing public see and what the reviewing
officials see are different.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
And that's clear.
Speaker 9 (03:49):
I will say I've looked into this pretty closely and
I used to be a federal prosecutor. I don't discern
anything unfair or untoward in this process.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So Western Michigan has accepted the results.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And I think they have nowhere else to turn. But
he talked about the discrepancy. And that is the question.
Because as you were watching while you were doing your
show on Saturday nights here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yes, I was live.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
As I was at home watching the game on TV,
after watching it on my phone, after we went out
getting ice cream on Saturday night, came home, saw the
final minutes. and my son wants to watch Wild Kratts,
and I'm like, no, we've got to watch this. We've
got to figure out how this Hail Mary settles out.
When I saw the clock and saw the double zeros,
(04:39):
which we all saw, we felt that the game was over.
So to have the play reviewed, I just thought it
was a normal situation. Let's review this play. Let's make
sure that it fell within the 60 minutes of the
game time. And I thought we were going to have
the official come out and say, The clock was at
double zero when the ball went out of bounds. Game
(05:00):
is over. Good night. But that's not what happened. They said...
There is one second on the clock when we all
saw with our own eyes that the TV clock had
triple zeros on it.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
Literally watching it right now behind you.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
And it's the topic of the day. It's the topic
of the weekend. So it's this discrepancy that is at
the heart of it, that the clock that was on
TV was not synced up with the clock that the
officials use for replay. And I think that it is
a viable explanation that, And actually, it's one that I
accept Monty to be like, well, OK, maybe there is.
(05:35):
If they have a clock that they see on their monitors,
on their watches, on however it is done on the field.
I can understand, especially when we saw the video and
the replay that the Big Ten office had in reviewing
that play. We saw that there was one second on
the screen as they were replaying the highlight. The problem comes, though,
(05:57):
is now Mike Pereira is the person that I was
talking about, the Fox Sports rules analyst that you see
him on NFL games, you see him on college football, says,
hold on a second. The rule was not... utilized and
executed in the way that it should have been. This
is what Mike Pereira, who also spoke with The Athletic,
he was on Joel Klatt's podcast. This is what Mike
(06:18):
Pereira had to say about how things were handled in
Ann Arbor on Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Why would there be a discrepancy in the two clocks?
I mean, that's the question.
Speaker 10 (06:28):
You know, why is there when there's supposed to be
one clock that's supposed to be synced really in both systems?
But I think when you're talking about technology, there's going
to be lag times in different types of equipment, even though,
you know, if we were to say, if we were
syncing it, you and I are going to sync it
and we're looking right off the bat and we're syncing
before the game, we look at it and say, oh, okay,
(06:49):
that's perfect. We're not going to recognize that. to one
hundredths of a second.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
That's right.
Speaker 10 (06:54):
So it shows that there is an element of air
that maybe is in the system.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
So there's where Mike Pereira has said what he had
to say, but he also went on to further say
that the officials were told to err on the side
of what the TV screen says, not what your secret
screen had. And so when we're all at home thinking
that we're having the wool pulled over our eyes. Mike
(07:23):
Pereira is saying the officials were being told the same thing.
And for whatever reason, they didn't take what was happening
on the screen. I've even seen clips, Monty, where people
were trying to sync it up on a Western Michigan
field goal that they had 35 seconds of game time
prior to that, showing that the game clock on TV
and the one in the stadium were in sync with
each other almost to the, you know, to the millisecond.
(07:46):
But what Mike Pereira is saying is that how the
officials ended up allowing one more play is not how
they have been told to do the rules. And I
think that changes everything because I was fully accepting what
Michigan and what Western Michigan were accepting was this is
what the scoreboard said. This is what we had secretly.
And now Mike Pereira is saying something else. And it
(08:07):
kind of throws this whole situation back into the fire. Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
Even even with the explanation that I hear what you're
saying of like everyone accepted it for the most part.
I mean, Western Michigan did that explanation to me like,
I'm sorry, we can't have this synced up. There has
to be some sort of delay with the way technology is.
To me, that's not an acceptable answer. that they weren't
synced up. And it's like, no, this.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Was one of those games where Western Michigan was absolutely robbed. Like,
good thing.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Honestly, I hope they walked away knowing that they won
that game because they embarrassed Michigan. And that's really what
they can hold their head high for. Michigan should not
be proud of how they won that game. They should
have never stormed that field. Bryce Underwood should not have
reacted like he actually had a Hail Mary of a
win against a team like Ohio State because that is
not what just happened. So that whole thing of technology,
(08:57):
it happens. There's going to be a glitch. To me,
that's not a good enough answer. Then you add on
top that they're saying you've got to err on the
side of caution and go with what people at home
are watching on TV.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
That makes perfect sense.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Why would you change it? No one in that moment,
I bet you nobody at that game, Dan, was like,
don't worry, guys, there's a second left.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I know it's coming. Just wait.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Nobody was saying that. Everyone thought the game was over.
And Michigan was playing like cheeks, as the kids say.
So why did you give them that second? Would that
second would have been given to Western Michigan.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
If the roles were reversed?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It's a very good question. Yeah, you don't think that
it would?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
No, I don't think so. And so it's like, it
was all right. The game was over. Michigan was playing
so bad.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Why?
Speaker 6 (09:44):
It was such a bad game for Michigan. Like, just
end it. Give the win to Western Michigan. Because that's still,
I know that that ranked team came out with the W.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Your conspiracy theory lends some to say, all right, if
Michigan loses, then that game this Saturday against Oklahoma that
will be on fire. by the way, this game on
Saturday was on NBC, that that game wouldn't be as
exciting because of Michigan coming off the loss and they
would have started the year with a loss. I don't know.
I would like to believe, Monsey, that the officials would
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have given Western Michigan the same sort of break. I
just don't think... First of all, I've been campaigning this,
and I even sent this to you in the group text,
and then I'm like, well, I'm just going to tweet
it out. If you had tenths of a second on
the clock in college football, this problem would not be
there because the Western Michigan player probably would have caught
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the ball with. 8 seconds left. That would have allowed
Michigan then the right to have the play, but we
go by the double zeros of the clock, and what's
final is final. But the other portion of this is,
I hate to say it, but Western Michigan did have opportunities.
You shouldn't be catching a Hail Mary in the second.
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There's a reason why it's called Hail Mary. Michigan had
the football at the 25-yard line, their own 25-yard line,
with 19 seconds left and no timeouts. At that point,
you do have to put the game away. But for
all intents and purposes, they did, except for the one second.
So as I look back at it, Montse... And hearing
Mike Pereira's explanation, I still think that what they did
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was correct in the matter. It's just nobody wins in
that situation because Western Michigan now has the loss. Michigan,
even though they stormed the field, cannot celebrate this victory.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
They acted like they did.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
They sure did at the time. But I felt if
you did this against, let's say you did this against
Oklahoma State, next week you would be having t-shirts of
you know double zeros and you would have like there's
a bit of almost an embarrassment to it of michigan
winning but i think ultimately they probably got it right
for what they thought they were to do and those
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screens and how the transparency of the big 10 like
it or not i think they got it right i
think they did what they needed we needed to hear
the conversation between the big 10 and the officials on
how this all played out So as much as it
sucks for Western Michigan and as much as it sucks
for the kid who probably if he just lets the
football go out of bounds, time runs out and there
is no guy jumping with his foot on the line
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and catching the football and still having a second on
the clock. None of that happens. It sucks for everybody
involved with Western Michigan. But ultimately, I think they ended
up getting it right.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Something you said right now. They seem to have gotten
it right. You know, if there was tenths of a
second and if the timer was a little bit different,
it seems I agree with that. But you did say
something that Western Michigan shouldn't have been put in.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
That situation, right? Like they should have put the game away.
damn they were 27 and a half point.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Underdogs they they did their job they were doing their
job even in that moment that was them doing their
job and they they did above what anyone was expecting
them to and so it's just kind of like in
in that moment that if mish if if this was
a no no matter what i was gonna say if
this was more of a high scoring game maybe No, no, no.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
It wouldn't matter if the score was 42 to 40.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Michigan should have won by a landslide and they did
it and they looked bad. It's not I I hate
the idea like, well, they're going to play Oklahoma next.
So if you know if they didn't, it doesn't matter
to me. They shouldn't be a ranked team coming into
this next week. That was a terrible, terrible performance. So
because of that. You want to give them that extra
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chance of hope?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I'd be more frustrated with Western Michigan not having that moment.
It's more about Western Michigan getting an opportunity to have
a landmark victory because if this is who Michigan is,
they're probably not going to be in the thick of
it for the college football playoff if this is the
team that that we see throughout the season. Now there's
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plenty of season to go, but for right now, I
don't think that people think Michigan is one of the
12 best teams in college football. And to your point.
So the real loss is that Western Michigan doesn't have
this historic victory against the big school from in-state and
the drama that came with it. But I do say
that they had opportunities for the reason of this, Monty. Again,
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Michigan completed a pass at midfield that got them to
nine seconds where they could throw the first Hail Mary.
The next one ended up taking the eight seconds off
the clock, and then the one second was where they won.
Western Michigan had the football on a third down play,
third and three, and they fumbled the snap. Center maybe
didn't realize they were in shotgun play. And if you
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run a play in that situation, I think you take
more of the game clock off before the 42nd clock resets.
You also could have gotten a first down in that scenario.
Michigan didn't have any timeouts. And guess what? You run
out the clock and you win 9-7. Instead, they had
to settle and kick the field goal. They then kicked off.
I think they made the right choice. I don't think
they needed to go for it on fourth down. By
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any means, kick the field goal. You're saying to yourself, okay,
only a Hail Mary beats us. Hindsight's 20-20. But they did.
In that moment, you're not sitting there thinking, boy, that
fumbled snap that we recovered, that's going to come back
and bite us. But ultimately, it might have. And so
I think if you're a football coach and if you're
anybody on the Western Michigan staff, that's what you're looking at.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
You're right.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
They were perfect. They held the ball for more than
40 minutes of that ball game. And the way they
defended the Hail Mary was not perfect because you let J.J.
Buchanan get in front of everybody. Bryce Underwood threw it
from his back foot on their own 40-yard line, threw
it 60 yards in the air. If he waits a
millisecond longer, he's sacked, and the ball doesn't go anywhere.
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So there's, I think, a lot of things of what-ifs
for Western Michigan, even if they feel they got robbed,
because I do think that they had opportunities. It's unfortunate
they don't have the historic win, but ultimately, I just...
I think the officials did what they thought was right.
I don't think that it was fixed. I don't think
that they wanted to side with Michigan. So you have
an unbeaten team facing Oklahoma. I think they did took
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everything into account of how it should play out and
then executed it that way. It's just ultimately Michigan made
the play at the end.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
But I guess, I mean, hearing that the officials were
told to avoid the controversy to, you know, approach the
situation with caution. And to use the time that people
see at home on TV, knowing that information, it's hard
for me to think that this wasn't, not that it
was fixed, but that it was like, we should really
give them a chance to win. We should, you know,
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like Bryce Underwood overthrew that, this next one, he won't
overthrow it.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
It'll land in the end zone.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Like, it just seems like, to me, not 100% innocent
in just making the right decision.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
I don't see it like that.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Jason Stewart, you took in the game on Saturday night
as well. Where do you lie on this call by
the officials?
Speaker 8 (16:56):
That's less important than I think. I've spent the last
48 hours seeing how it's been covered and how it's
been talked about. And I can't believe that there has
not been the word screw job used in the last
15 minutes. I thought by law, if you talk about
sports in the last 48 hours, you had to say
that someone got screwed. Screw job.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
The Montreal screw job to Bret Hart. The Ann Arbor
screw job to Western Michigan.
Speaker 8 (17:24):
Yeah, I'm just shocked. And I want to say the
buyer's opinion is so contrarian to what you would think
as an Ohio State fan that I've kind of been
shocked by this. You told me that you talked about
it all day yesterday and I missed the show, so
this is coming as a new opinion to me. I
just haven't heard what you just laid out. Not a
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lot of people are giving... Michigan the benefit of the
doubt here. This was a screw job. It is a
screw job. It's the easiest thing to say that it
was a screw job. So credit for you having that opinion. Personally,
I thought it was a screw job. I think Western
Michigan got screwed.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I think you're in lockstep with with Monsey on that.
But they think they got screwed because Michigan got another opportunity.
And I think that the reason that Michigan got another
opportunity is because the referees felt that they were doing
their job and felt that they were doing their job correctly.
They didn't do a great job.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
They didn't do a great job. They did not do
a great job.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
I also, I don't, I am not saying, like, Western Michigan,
you should have done better in this. They weren't, they
were never supposed to be in this situation.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Right, I understand that.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
So a little bit of luck had to go their way,
and you took the luck away. Like, you made a
decision where it was like, it seems, the game is over. Again,
nobody at the game thought there was a second left,
the way that.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
went down.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Isaac Lohencron?
Speaker 11 (18:51):
I look at it completely from a broadcast perspective. If
I am the producer of the telecast and I know
that that game clock is actually not synced and not official,
there's no way I want it in my telecast at
all if it's not the official synced game clock.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Right.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
We've seen that sink in a number of telecasts in
different sports, and no television producer in his right mind
would want it if they know that it's not synced 100%.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
This leads me up to the final point, and we
have RJ Young coming up in just a little bit.
We'll get his thoughts, Fox Sports College football insider. My
point about the tenths of a second is this, and
I've said this, and that's why I tweeted it, and
that's why I sent it to the group text. By
the way, I tweeted it in 2020. I've been on
this case. If Western Michigan's defender who caught the ball
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on the Hail Mary, where we think that the clock
says double zeros, he likely catches it again. with 0.8
on the clock or 0.6 on the clock. The full
60 minutes of a football game is really not a lapse.
Now it's for every single football game that it is.
But if when the clock hits one and goes to zero,
there should be nine tenths of a second that still
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have to elapse. So ultimately, in this game, and it's
what college football needs to change, they need to put
tenths of a second at the end of the half
and at the end of the games. Is Michigan at
59 minutes and 59 seconds to win that football game?
Because ultimately, when you saw the triple zeros, they're not
showing you the tenths of a second. And that's what
would have kept this alive. So when we talk about
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moving this story forward, I think this is going to
be the impetus of that change. I think next year
you will see tenths of a second. in a college
football game because if the defender catches that ball like
he did or touches the ball like he did michigan
still would have had time on the clock whether it
be on the replay or on the tv one even
if there was one tenth of a second it still
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would have to fill out the full 60 minutes of
a football game and that's where it is not doing
that on the clock and that's why i think it's
so important.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Well make sure those clocks are synced because if not
we're we have another problem.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Well And we'll find out if they're synced then by
the tenth of a second, which I think will be
a lot easier than it would be with a one
or a zero. And if we're going down to the
hundredth of a second, then I then I think maybe
we've lost the plot. But I do think that the
tenth of a second does need to be added to
these college football clocks. She's Monty Bolaños. I'm Dan Beyer.
Get her at Western Michigan Monty. At Yahoo. That is
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her email address. No, I'm just kidding. By the way,
HP tweets in, something is rotten in Michigan. And Dutch
Marine says, happy Labor Day, Monsey. So there it is.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Happy Labor Day.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Be sure to catch live editions of Stew Gots and
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Speaker 2 (21:45):
Happy Labor Day to you. It's Stu Gotts and Company
Live here on Fox Sports Radio. She's Monty Bolaños. I'm
Dan Baier. In for Stu, Jason Stewart, Chris Perfette, and
Isaac Lowenkron are here. Isaac will be with us in
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us now, good friend. He's known as a college football
analyst for Fox. I call him the most knowledgeable man
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in college football. Find him on X at RJ underscore Young.
RJ Young joins the program once again. Hello, RJ. How
are you?
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Dan, thanks so much for that introduction, man. I am swell.
It is Labor Day. We are playing ball, man.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
We are. We are playing ball and we played a
lot of ball and we played a lot of ball
with zeros on the clock in Ann Arbor. I ultimately
think the officials got it right. Monsey feels Western Michigan
was robbed. Where do you stand on the screw job
in Ann Arbor, as our executive producer likes to call it?
Speaker 5 (22:37):
This is how conspiracy theorists get to be told they're right.
This is how you don't trust anybody ever again. Turns
out you have a clock that the officials see and
a clock that the rest of us see, that these
two clocks are not synced up to Greenwich meantime, or
even just to each other, I feel like that is
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a dereliction of duties. Like that's where I put the
blame here is somebody in the truck needed to say, Hey,
there's a second difference between these things. It might matter.
And maybe this is the first time that it ever had,
but yeah, I'm with Monty on this. I think that
Michigan got an extra play to make a Hail Mary
happen and they got lucky. But the nice thing for
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us is They don't get to be lucky more than once,
especially against a better team than, with all due respect,
directional Michigan.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Thank you. I agree. It was a screw job. And
I like how you said it.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
This is one of those things that it makes people
not want to trust anything when it comes to sports.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
So I'm glad that you put that.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
But let's let's move on and talk about another big
guy in college football.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
That annoys me. Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Lane Kiffin and his performance with LSU against Clemson obviously
comes out on top. But do you walk away from
that giving LSU credit or discrediting Clemson and Dabo Sweeney?
Speaker 5 (23:56):
I walk away from that thinking two things can be
true at the same time. Dabo Sweeney needs to enter
into a season of prayer. I hope everything is going
well for him at Clemson. I hope he figures this
out because I don't want it to go out like this.
On the LSU front, you remember how much we didn't
like 2023 in Michigan and how much those players just
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did not care. And they went out and they just
decided to beat every single team they played. That's how
this feels for me right now. Like the cognitive dissonance
between how we feel about Lane Kiffin And how the
players must feel about Lane Kiffin is the size of
the grand Canyon. But at the end of the day,
they're like, look at what we did to Clemson. Look
at what we plan to do to the rest of
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our schedule. I think we're going to continue to go.
I don't like Lane Kiffin or anything that he stands
for while his players go. Yeah. But while we're at it,
we might as well try to win the national championship.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
You know, it's funny to me. Um, the, the comment
that Lane Kiffin made to Holly row, um, I have
my thoughts. Monty has her thoughts. How much do you
think that Lane Kiffin knew that he was still on
camera and on mic with the comment about the pro players?
Speaker 5 (25:04):
One million percent.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Okay, good. We're all on the same page.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
All right.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
No, I mean, and what else would he have said
other than what he did? Like he has entered into
this space going, Hey, I don't really care anymore. I'm
just going to do what LSU would normally do, which
is not care anymore and go after people. Because, frankly,
he earned that. He earned that with the way that
they played.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, I'll tell you what. Ole Miss earned a hard-fought
victory against Louisville, Lane Kiffin's former team. Are you less
high on Ole Miss after last night's performance? Where do
you stand on Lane Kiffin's former team that they're going
to face in less than two weeks?
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I'm more curious about... How 2025 Ole Miss was different
from 2024 Ole Miss? Because if you'll remember, Pete Golden's
defense was giving it up like they gave it up
against Louisville to almost everybody they played. I mean, as
a joke, I think he made Pete Golden his World
Awards finalist. And that was like, come on, he's one
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of the worst scoring defenses in the league and y'all
can't stop anybody. Now, that said, it feels a lot
like that team, right? They're really good at putting the
ball in Trinidad Chambliss' hands, who is going to go
get you a bucket. But he's got, he being Pete Golding,
has a real problem in that secondary because Louisville wide
receivers running butt naked open is not a good thing
for you going into SEC play, let alone LSU is
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going to have a field day with this. So I
think it's going to look a lot like 2024 Ole Miss,
which is not a bad thing. It's just not the
kind of team that wins two college football playoff games.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Before we move on completely from Lane Kiffin and LSU,
just a quick question. Do you think that he or
LSU are going to put those former now NFL players
on the roster at some point this season?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Quick answer. No, he's a coward. That's what that was.
You made us go through all of this. You made
a lot of noise, just like you did for the
Ole Miss LSU job. And after all that, you are
too cowardly. to put them on the roster and go
fight the SEC. I hate this. I hate this for
the players. I hate this for us, because we wasted
so much time and energy on this, only for him
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to go at 11.59 p.m. on Friday night. You know what?
Speaker 8 (27:15):
No.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
I don't actually want to contend with the consequences that
might come from my actions.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Analyst for Fox Sports, covering the great sport of college football,
RJ Young, joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. A
couple of other things. key matchups that we saw this weekend.
Any concern with Notre Dame? Seemed to get off on
a slow start yesterday against Wisconsin in that game at Lambeau.
Any concern with the Fighting Irish from their week one performance?
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Not particularly. Like, I got off a good joke at
the start, which is that Notre Dame looked like a
team that hadn't played a bowl game. But they put
that away, right? And one of the ways they put
that away is they let C.J. Carr see it and
throw it. So Mike Russell was content to play an
umbrella defense and leave the middle of the field open,
and C.J. Carr just kept throwing 7- to 12-yard passes
to wide receivers that were open in the middle of
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the field, and that opened up the running game for
Aeneas Williams. What I was really impressed by was the defense, right?
Chris Ashe's defense comes back to play. D.J. McKinney would
pick sticks at really great... race the game open i'm
not concerned about it but i do have a fun
fact for you again and it is that marcus freeman
has yet to play at september as head coach at
notre dame without a loss in south bend so it's
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still it's still there we can still be a little
bit fearful that something bad might happen but it feels
like this team is everybody it's everything that we thought
it was going to.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Be another team that had a slow start was number
two oregon but you know they kind of Came out
of it in the second half a little bit better
and survived against Boise State.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Worried about Oregon at all?
Speaker 5 (28:47):
No, I just think that Boise State's a good football team, honestly. Like,
the question I had was, if this team goes 11-1
and North Dakota State goes 12-0, which one are you
picking for the college football playoff? And that's a difficult
answer for me right now, given that I expect both
those teams to be good. But I genuinely think that
most people didn't think that Boise State would be up
for this game in the way they did. And then
Oregon is a good football team, and they have to
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show that. They need to get the ball rolling a
little bit quicker the rest of the way, though.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
All right, last one for RJ Young. And, of course,
we're going to look ahead. do the week one results
uh from columbus or from austin uh change your mind
at all on how the game when those two teams
ohio state and texas play saturday night in austin uh
any takeaways from week one that could lend to that
titanic matchup in week two.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
That the stars showed up for both of those teams
against nobody i want them to show up in this
game right in our can be the Arch that I
saw in the second half of last year, even this year,
so much fun. And this could be a preview of
the national championship game. Both of those teams are that
talented and good. I'm just excited to see them go
at it. And, you know, for Texas, one more than
seven points. See how that works out for you.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Right. They had opportunities there at the goal line last year.
I'm curious on Ohio State's offensive front. The running game
wasn't great against Ball State. Ended up wearing them down
at the end, but we'll see if Bo Jackson and
the other running backs for the Buckeyes will be able
to break through. There's multiple Jacksons in the Ohio State backfield,
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and we know the targets that Julian Sane has, but
should be a fun one on Saturday night. Who do
you like in that game as we're six days away?
Speaker 5 (30:23):
I'm still going to go with Ohio State. It's really,
does that offensive line figure it out? Like, that's what
you're referring to. Bo Jackson, Jacoby Jackson got off, but
it was in the second half, and it was after,
I'm sure, Ryan Day got into their behind. Because this is,
this can't go on. You gave up two sacks of
Ball State. You couldn't move the football running it. And
it became, you know, the Jeremiah Smith show, which might
be what you have to do. But if that offensive
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line that is so experienced can't figure out how to
move people off the ball, then Texas might actually have
their way with Ohio State, and that's not going to
be a good look for anybody close.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, we'll see how much Legend Bay is also unleashed
in this game in Austin for the Buckeyes. RJ, it's
always great talking to you. Can't wait to catch up
again at some point during the season. Have a great
Labor Day and enjoy Week 2.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Dan, Monty, thanks so much for today, and I will.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
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game than RJ.
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Speaker 2 (31:57):
You know, recently we were together filling in on Stu
Gotts and Company, and we kind of went to bat
for Jed York a bit.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
A little bit, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
The 49ers owner who got caught up into that prostitution sting.
And I felt like we were in the minority of
that situation. ESPN called it disgusting. The whole situation was disgusting. Well,
someone has joined our side, Montse, in feeling that, okay,
(32:28):
maybe it wasn't as big of a deal. And I
don't know if this helps or hurts our cause, but
it is the playmaker, Michael Irvin, coming to the defense
of Jed York on Twitch.
Speaker 9 (32:38):
He got divorced five, six months ago.
Speaker 11 (32:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
And I'm like, man, come on, man.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Is that really a crime?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
You know, that man ain't gonna leave that alone. Everybody's
paying for it. Everybody's paying for it.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Here's my take. You got a girlfriend?
Speaker 5 (32:52):
What?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
You got a girlfriend?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
No, I don't have a girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
You take her out to eat?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
You paying for it?
Speaker 7 (32:55):
You pay for it regardless.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
You buying a gift?
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Right. You taking her for food and then taking her home?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Why we got to embarrass this man for $ 140?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
He's not.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
It was $ 140? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
And that's another thing, too. So people think.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
You're a billionaire.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Why don't you go to high-end places? The high-end places
get you in trouble all the time. Okay, so Michael Irvin,
who is much, I think, much more maybe experienced in this,
the way that he speaks and how I would think
than I would be, makes a compelling case for Jed York.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
Yeah, no, his overall sentiment is what we're saying, that
in reality, I don't know how big of a deal
this really was.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
I think that's what we're sharing, but... um i don't
know if i would compare it the.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Way he did to just buying meals for your girlfriend
or your wife or flowers or taking them out in
the sense of like you're still spending money yeah i wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I don't know if i agree to that comparison but uh.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Yeah i think what we're saying is it wasn't that
big of a deal right i mean he's embarrassment enough.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
His point on talking about the high end is something
that I didn't realize that you could also get in
trouble because I think that was our point of like,
that's where Jed York messed up.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
You could go to a spot, pay a lot more
for your privacy and secrecy or that you thought that
you were to get instead of responding to an ad
and calling back multiple times to make sure that would work.
That was our argument. His point is those other ones
will screw you, too. So if you can save money,
do it. And that's right. That is what Michael Irvin
is saying. And all of the gifts and all of
(34:37):
the meals. I'm with you like that. It's not a
it's not a payment plan. It's not like four meals
get you this. It's not a punch card at Subway
where you trade in the four meals and then you
get this. Maybe for some it is. Who knows? Jason Stewart,
you love to hear Michael Irvin wax poetically on this topic.
Speaker 8 (34:57):
I want to focus on what you had said initially.
Michael Irvin kind of agreed with your guys' sentiment. Is
that a good thing? I'm going to say no. The
person that developed, instigated, and perpetuated the White House in
the 90s with the Cowboys and spoke openly about it
in the Jerry Jones documentary that no other player would
(35:19):
even touch. Michael Irvin is candid, and I love that.
But do you want to share his worldview when it
comes to crimes?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
He asked in that soundbite.
Speaker 8 (35:30):
Is that really illegal? Yes, it's a federal law that
you cannot solicit and prostitute. It is illegal. That's the
short answer to your question, Michael Irvin. So, yeah, I
don't know if we want to be on the same
side with Michael Irvin.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I think Irvin's point is it's illegal, but is it wrong?
Speaker 11 (35:49):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Like, that's what he's saying.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
That is what he's saying.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
It may be illegal, but is it not wrong?
Speaker 4 (35:54):
It's not. I hear, it's not good. It's not good
for us, sure, to be on the same side, I guess.
It's really not good for Mr.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
York.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Like, he's the one that comes out the worst with
all of this.
Speaker 8 (36:05):
How is he still the owner of the 49ers again?
Why has the NFL not come down on this?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Oh, I'm sure there will be at some point. I
don't know what Bob Craft, I can't remember the Bob
Craft situation, but I mean, it's along those same lines.
So whatever happened with Bob Kraft would happen with Jed York.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
Because that's the difference, right? If Chris and I were
caught doing this on a weekend, that's one thing. But
the owner of a major franchise in the NFL did it.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Well, yeah. He served a day in jail.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
Right.
Speaker 11 (36:39):
He did.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
He served that. He paid his fine.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
He's serving humiliation as we speak.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Still.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Still.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
It's the fact of like Irvin had like the same
thought process of it. And Michael Irvin just lives in
a different world than I do. But the different world,
and I agree that the buying meals.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Is not a part of it.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
It's not it.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
That ain't it.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
It doesn't feel like it's a punch card. That's how
Michael Irvin is. Right.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
He's like he's working towards it. Aren't you working towards it?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
There are some punch cards that work after one punch.
Speaker 8 (37:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
There are some that work after 10. I think that's
what he's getting to. We're going to be getting to
a Mount Rushmore Monday next year on Stu Gotts and Company.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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