July 3, 2026 • 38 mins
Dan and Monse filling in for Stugotz and the guys as Mark Medina joins the show to weigh in on the dispute about Lebron. Dan, Monse and Mark talk about the Jaylen Brown deal. Plus, Mark talks to Monse about Kawhi Leonard.
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All right, we are in the mix with Mark Medina
for the next hour here on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in. Yeah,
turn that micro on, Mark Medina.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I got you.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
This is something new that we're doing here on this
day before America's birthday. By the way, is there any
date on the calendar that gets more short change than
July third? Right? Like, it's I mean cause it's July fourth,
It's coming up tomorrow, it's America's birthday. But Mark Medeena's here.
You can call in eight seven, seven nine nine on
Fox eight seven seven nine six six three sixty nine
(00:58):
if you have any questions about out the NBA anything
you want to ask Mark. But I figured over the
next hour, considering what's happened in free agency, that Mancy
we would get to pick the brains of someone who
is locked in and can really put into perspective of
what's going on so far in free agency.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
And then some I think he needs a gabble because
he's going to be judgment.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
We get it out of the way.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Of course, we get it out of the way.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
You said I was.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Whack mark first of all. Welcome happy early fourth.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Yes, san moncey.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
So I have to pay judge and jury referee yellow cards.
You can, you can.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I almost don't want him to hear our opinions from
each other, because I think that leads a bias into it.
Nothing towards you, but everybody sides with Manci like like,
that's so I am already at a disadvantage.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
You don't want to lead the witness.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I almost want like an impartial party like Jason Stewart
to give you the two sides of the argument. Are
you good with that? Monster?
Speaker 7 (02:01):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
He just better explain it right.
Speaker 8 (02:04):
Well, I don't know if I want to articulate both sides.
I do have a suggestion, though, how about we just
kind of leave it open ended. Now. You don't have
to give away your opinion by setting it up so
to just say, like.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
One of us thinks this and the other one thinks this.
Speaker 8 (02:18):
Like Mark a year ago when Lebron put out that statement,
take it from here, was what did Mark think at
that point about Lebron's future in.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
LA when Lebron announced he was going to opt into
his contract, What did you think was happening a year
ago at that time?
Speaker 6 (02:33):
At that time, I thought it's the final year with
the Lakers. It may or may not be the final
year of his NBA career. But with that huge caveat,
I've also taught myself that everything can always change because
of circumstances. But at that point, it seemed clear by
to handicap this put money on it, Lebron's time with
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the Lakers is only this season.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I think that that is a great caveat because he
brought up the point of change. Did you think things
changed throughout the season.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Yes, and so even as of last week my opinion
and some folks around the league that I've talked to, executives,
different scouts, there wasn't a unanimous thought, but most thought that,
you know what, I think he will come back to
the Lakers because even though it's not Max money, it's
still more money than most teams can are willing to offer,
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and the Luka Doncic fit wasn't perfect, but they saw
a lot of growth and there wasn't any personality tensions
with Lucas specifically. They got along fine. There's a lot
of respect for each other. The tension is more about
for an office dynamics, what's the priority with roster moves
around Lebron and his contract.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
So with all those variables, there.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Was a feeling I could see Lebron come back, but
I want to be surprised if he also leaves.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Manci has got a look on her face, But up
until that last line, I thought the the the look changed. Well,
I think there was a bit of a There was
a bit of a I told you so well.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
No, because it starts off with him stating what you
thought a year ago and I I did not think
that a year ago. I let's just put it out
there and.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
We'll keep it simple.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
We've been kind of arguing as to what Lebron and
his camp, everything that's been said, as Dan said, seems
to be full of lies. And the reason I think
it sounds like it's full of lies is because I
think the plan for Lebron was to be a Laker
and then up until they signed Austin Reeves. I think
is when that became the reality was at that point,
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you don't want to pay me what I what I
would want as a Laker. Now I'm gonna move on.
But I think this entire time, especially because how he
helped the Lakers win a series in the playoffs without
Luca and Austin Reeves being you know, half injured, because
he did come back that I think he he thought
I'm gonna I'm gonna be a Laker again, I'm gonna
come back, and it just it's reality and he's not.
And that's why these are, oh, twenty sevent teams. There's
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not twenty seven teams who have asked about Lebron.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
There's not.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
But the reason it sounds like everything is kind of
like you're just throwing things to the wall and seeing
what sticks is because I thought the plan was he wanted.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
To be a Laker.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I think the challenging thing with the Lakers and Lebron
is that everything can always evolve change and both parties,
whether you agree with one side or the other, or
you look at it circumstance by circumstance, they all embrace
and are used to the soap opera dynamics that there
can always be a pivot point, that can be that
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turning point toward a decision, but there can also be
a detour. So, for example, when there were the ESPN
story earlier in the season that laid out the latest
dynamics with the front office and Lebron, and just the
feeling that Genie bust didn't think Lebron was appreciative enough
that they drafted Browny, you could have thought, you know what,
this is the end of the road Hereron on the
(06:00):
next day was clearly irritated with it. When I asked him,
what's the diet, what's the collaboration partnership like with Genie,
he said, well, I thought it used to be good.
Pat past tense and you think, you know what, like
this isn't gonna be good. But then from a on
court chemistry standpoint, things were getting better, like Luca Dodge
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ch Austin reeves, the health was improving, the trade deadline
moves and the continuity is improving. The bottom line results
were improving in March where he thought, okay, like this
can be salvageable, But then the injuries happened, the contract
negotiations happened, so everything is always subject to change, and
there's so many a million potential pivot points. It makes
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for one great soap opera to fin.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I'll I'll just say this, he held a grudge with
pat Riley over chocolate chip cookies, so that grudge of
them not doing a one in one with him a
year ago, which is why I think. I think the
decision was made at that point, and I don't think
anything happened. I think the Lakers wanted to move on,
and Lebron said, fine, I'm going to opt in, pay
me fifty million dollars for what was this past season,
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and then I am going to go elsewhere, and no
matter what would have happened over this past year, I
felt that then teams would know that he would be available,
Like if he would have just opted out of his
contract last year. There weren't teams available for him to
go to at that time because it was so late
in the game. And I think that this was all orchestrated.
So I think his decision again is fifty to fifty
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in signing with you and me, And I don't believe
all of those executives who thought he would go back
to the Lakers. That's why you have bad gms. They
can't read they can't read the room at all.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Do you think that if Lebron really a year ago,
because this is the other part of my argument with
this with Dan, if a year ago when he opted
into that contract he knew this is my final year
as a Laker, wouldn't he have leaned into that so
that the fans knew was going to be his last
time were in purple and gold.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Yeah, here's the thing that we have to keep in mind.
No doubt Lebron has calculated. He thinks big picture, but
there have been a I think, play by play details
because he's human and just life itself. That's made it unpredictable.
So I think that he did opt in so he'd
get his money. It's fifty two million dollars. If he
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opted out, he won't get the same. I think at
that point in time, he didn't truly know if he
was still capable of prolonging his career without relegating his
role to be like Vince Carter, where he's prolonging it,
but now he's a six man, he's a reserve. He
doesn't want to do that, and so I think part
of the reason why some of this change is that
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he wasn't a perfect player, certainly defensively, but from an
offensive standpoint, role standpoint, he still could make the case
that he can prolong his career and still be not
the number one option, but a focal point for a team.
So I think that's the other thing. As I was
thinking about this whole dynamic with the Lakers and Lebron,
(09:05):
three t words come to mind with how to sum
it up. It's always been transactional from both sides. It's
there's occasionally been tension, but there's it's there's never been toxic,
any toxic environment. And so with that always transactional. There's
(09:25):
some tension, but it's never toxic. It's made it for
this really gray relationship where there was never a lot
of warmth. There's been disagreements, but when there's been disagreements,
there's been respectful parting of ways here and that's it's been.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Fascinating, which is honestly different than any of the other
Lakers stars have been treated in the past. I mean,
because it felt like Magic and Kobe, they were all
family to the bus family, and this was feels different.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Yeah, And three years ago, this was the Lakers are
at the Western Conference Finals, Lebron is suggesting after they
lose the Nuggets, you know, I'm not sure if I'm
gonna keep playing, you know, my body, et cetera.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
So there was.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Technically this period of uncertainty, and he then announced that
the S piece is coming back. I connected with Genie
Buss a few weeks after that about state of the
team things, and I was asking Genie for her perspective,
what would it mean if Lebron retires as a Laker,
and her answer, I think forecasted what happens. She said,
(10:29):
it would mean a lot. We value Lebron, but we're
also aware that, you know, there's been other players that
haven't retired as a Laker, like Shaquille O'Neal, but that
didn't change our appreciation for what he provided the franchise
at the time, and with Lebron, it was the twenty
twenty NBA Championship ending that six year playoff drought or
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worst stretch of franchise history, and obviously the revenue that
he helped produce with the Lakers. And then she mentioned,
you know, we still retired Shaquille O'Neal's number, and so
I said, well, given that, will Lebron's jersey beer retired?
And she said yeah. Our criteria is when you're in
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the Hall of Fame, you're deserving of having a retire jersey.
And there's no doubt he's going to be there, so
we will retire his jersey once that happens. Now here's
the other thing. Lebron's going to get his jersey retired.
But what I asked, is it both numbers? One are
the numbers. That's a subject for another time. So it's
very well possible they will retire one of his jersey numbers,
(11:34):
just not both sure and the statue. I would be surprised.
I almost think of it like Welt Chamberlain. He is,
obviously this iconic player still hood holds the best scoring record.
He got his jersey retired, but he wasn't seen as
a Laker. I mean he was with the Lakers, but
he was more associated with Philadelphia. I don't think he's
getting a statue, and he obviously hasn't had one yet.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
James is in Virginia wants to join into the conversation
and ask Mark Medina our NBA In Chatterer, It's an
hour of in the Mix with Mark Medina here on
stut Gotzy Company live on Fox Sports Radio. James, welcome
to Stugatzia Company. What's going on?
Speaker 9 (12:12):
Oh, thanks for taking my call, Happy Friday, Happy fourth
of July. Man, big time, all the time, every time,
slut the commanders for me.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Man.
Speaker 9 (12:19):
My question is if Lebron is about trying to win
a fifth title and he's willing to take a vet minimum,
and I'm looking at the league like, where could he go?
What are the odds that he could end up to
me in OKAC or Denver? And Denver certainly flows like
a two hour flight from la and around Arizona where
his little boy's playing. So I'm curious to see that.
I think in Denver would be a great with Yo Kitsch.
(12:42):
They can play off each other nicely. I'll take it
off the air. Thank you again, Joning y'all and the
Firecracker Bilanos' break fourth of July, you too.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
James, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Happy fourth.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
What do you think about Denver OKC for Lebron?
Speaker 6 (12:56):
So I checked in technically the twenty seven teams you
know list, It's not that but are you sure.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I am sure. Yes.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
I asked for what's the criteria, and it's very open
ended because I don't I think Lebron's criteria is now
shifted because he's not making max money and he is
about winning, but at the same time, it comes with
preconditions of he doesn't want to take a vet minimum
and join a team that's already catered made to win
(13:27):
a championship. So I think you can eliminate teams like
the Knicks, the Spurs, the Thunder, the Nuggets, maybe because.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
He's not going to Denver.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
They want a championship, but there are more roster questions
in OKC, the Knicks and the Spurs. The Spurs right now,
the Thunder and the Knicks as constructed can win a championship.
It's not like they're a piece like Lebron missing the Nuggets.
They have an outside chance, but it's not the same
as it was in twenty twenty three. So I would
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rule those three teams out definitively. I wouldn't rule out Denver,
but I would also be surprised. I think it's coming
down to the likely candidates Golden State, Cleveland, Miami. There
is a feeling that even though the Warriors isn't the
best basketball decision because Steph Draymond are old, Jimmy Butler's
(14:19):
coming off a cl injury. This isn't the team in
twenty sixteen, but there's still is a feeling that they're
in their driver's seat because of even if they're not
a favorite to win, they could still be in the mix.
The respect for Steph and Draymond, the proximity to the
Bay Area where theoretically he wouldn't have to move like
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he could do the whole flying back and forth where
you know he comes for home games. They are going
to practice, but because this team is AAR eligible, yeah
they're ARP eligible, there's not gonna be a lot of practices.
So there's times that he can be in LA while
in a Warrior's uniform because they're not practiced to go
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to but.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I liked Old State. I heard that one on social media.
Speaker 7 (15:09):
Credit for it.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
That is a good one.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Old Levey also plant some things here. It's it's uncertain,
but one thing I am certain about is you are
making fourth of July plans. We are not going to
hear Lebron James news this weekend. You are not going
to be at a barbecue where you get the Texas,
you are not going to have fireworks, and all of
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a sudden you see fireworks on Twitter. I asked for timelines,
and it's like, look like Lebron's going to.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Be patient all this stuff.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
I said, people should be prepared that this is a
week's thing, not a day's thing, and they affirm that's likely.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I told Manti, I think it's going to be on Wednesday,
July eighth, because there's no World Cup match that day
very well, and that could be his opportunity to then
grab some of the spot because also if Lebron doesn't
go to your team, and again it's not twenty seven,
and I don't think it's twelve to fourteen. I think
it's the three that Mark said. Those teams also then
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have to figure out, Okay, we don't have Lebron. Now,
how do we run the rest of this offseason? How
do we fill these certain spots. I don't think Philadelphia.
I think I think for Today for a headline heading
into the fourth of July weekend saying the seventy six
ers are eyeing Lebron, there is no way that that
is happening. There's zero chance he goes to Philadelphia, I
think so. I think that when it comes down to it,
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it is going to be those three teams. But it's
just a matter of when. At least we're in lockstep
on the timing of it as well, that it's not
going to be up against America's two hundred and fiftieth.
If it was America's two forty nine and it was
on a Tuesday, then maybe, but not on an extended weekend.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Yes, if he does go to the Warriors, he is
not going to replicate Kevin Durant's path In twenty sixteen
July fourth, that is when the player's tributing article drove
that he is leaving ok go to Golden State.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
All right, so who won? Who do you think? Side
a Jason Sam I would love to hear from the
listeners on Twitter and phoning in. I don't no, I'm
not putting it in their hands.
Speaker 8 (17:18):
Which Mark choose, because I think it's like a there
was so much gray area. I think in our pre
show meeting, I was asked how I thought Medina would
come out on this, and he was going to be
right in the middle, and he was going to offer
up all this gray area, and he wouldn't choose one
or the other. He actually chose both of your answers
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as I predicted. Don't don't get me wrong. There's a
lot of nuanced facts in here. But what Mark doesn't
quite understand is that sports talk radio is not about nuance.
You need to be black or white, there is no gray.
He never chose a side. So I guess maybe I
want to Pinmark down who was more right. Was it
Dan Bayer who predicted a year ago that he was
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never coming back to the Lakers, or was it Moncey
Wright who he didn't really make up his mind until recently.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
To be clear, Jay stew I hope I was not
coming across as playing both sides of the fence, being
this conventional politician. It was more about giving all the
information that makes this complicated but sound bite sports talk
radio form. I think that at that point he made
up his mind, but all the things that happened in
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between crystallized the decision. So it's not absolute he's never
going back, but he thought, you know what, I'm likely leaving,
and everything that's happened the year ago, good bad somewhere
in between crystallized.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Wise on so the.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Line was drawn in the sand a year ago.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Not right, That's that's the question.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
A year ago, he wasn't he knew he wasn't going
to be a Laker.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
He drew a line in the sand, but it wasn't
a red line, so you know, in the sand, you
can get over it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Seriously, like we've got some commercials to play, like I
just need to. But that's that's the whole crux of
my argument is it was on June twenty ninth that
he said you're dead to me no matter what. Yeah,
that he made up his mind when they said we're
not going to do another one plus one. That all right, fine,
tell him he's whack.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I don't think there was ever no going back. It
was more, yeah, I'm leaning toward this. Everything that happened
crystallized it. But there would have been a way to
salvage it. So if I have to choose, I guess
he wanted.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
To be a Laker.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
He wanted to be a Laker.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Under certain conditions.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Right, Like I don't think his was to not retire
as not a Laker.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Yeah, I mean it was under certain conditions. Clearly, Hence
he's not here. He's not taking this huge discount. He
didn't want to repeat the same role. And also, I
think the other thing that was a huge source of
discontent is how the front office moved that. They'll both
say they want to win championships, but from Lebron's perspective,
they were thinking more long term few sure than these
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win now moves during trade deadline offices.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I would also argue that it's actually the day the
Lakers got Luka Doncic that signified the end of the
Lebron era with the Lakers because he was no longer
going to have the power over the organization that he
had when he was the top dog.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
How convenient.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, and that's who you were your argument, I think
it's But I think it's true. I think that changed everything.
And here, and that happened five months prior to Lebron's decision,
Like when the Lakers were given Luca, everything changed.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Without a doubt.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
And here's the thing with this. Both sides were interested
in a reunion, but only under certain preconditions. So that's
where that were.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I think impossible to mention, that were impossible to meet.
And that's why I just don't Yeah, and was it just.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
The money, because of his ego.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
It wasn't just the money. The money is a factor,
but it was also the front office. I think that
even though Lebron isn't blameless from his perspective, he's talking
to the front office like some other stars are of Hey,
here's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Here are some.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Suggestions, but you're the decision makers, and when decisions were made.
It was put on him that he had the overt influence,
But I think the bigger thing was more of when
he looked at these pre tried deadlines and off seasons.
Russell Westbrook aside, the Lakers clearly always valued draft capital,
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financial flexibility, so they weren't mortgaging the future. Or from
Lebron's end, he's thinking, well, I don't know how many
years I have left. I want win now moves. As
long as I'm here, there's still a chance to win
a championship. So if I had a handicap, it's more
that than the money. But the money is always a factor.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
And now it's all about happiness.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
So who on the bet? Or was I too evasive
and long window with this?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I don't even know. I'm even sick of talking about
Lebron though, like I'm like, I'm sick of hearing me
talk about Lebron, Like, I guess what good news lister
Thirty minutes of Lebron Free Radio coming up here on
Fox Sports Radio. Got Jalb Brown Talk, We got Kawhi Leonard,
I you know, want some Janni's talk and just the
state of the NBA. Are the Sixers the favorite? We'll
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get into all of that. You can ask Mark as
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Speaker 3 (22:22):
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Speaker 2 (22:31):
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Speaker 6 (22:45):
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Speaker 5 (22:53):
Of course you guys are Fox.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yes, absolutely, Chris Prophet's gonna give us an update of
what's going on between Australia and Australia, and in about
eight minutes or so, as that one is in extra time,
I'll just tell you right now they're taught up at
one an extra time. But if we get a goal
or we get a score, we'll head over to Chris
for that. Otherwise we could be heading to penalty kicks.
Let's get into more of the NBA free agency discussion.
(23:15):
So the Jalen Brown details on him being dealt to
Philadelphia now saying it's a more of a salary move
than anything else for Boston. What was your take when
the Celtics shipped them to a rival in Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Yeah, I thought it was a terrible trade.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
I think you can make the argument that this jail
In Brown Paul George trade is worse than what the
Clippers did to get Paul George, because even in hindsight
where it clearly didn't work out, at the time, the
Clippers were thinking, we're gonna win a championship, but to
get to Kawhi, you gotta get Paul George, Shay Gilges
Alexander Gray player, but he wasn't envyp Nobody knew how
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he was going to be that here, even even though
the Celtics are getting draft picks. Paul George is not
the same caliber player as Jalen Brown. Paul George can
show up in the playoffs, but he can also show duds.
We don't know when he's available, whether it's injuries or
PD suspensions. He is a great two way talent, but
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Jalen Brown is a much better two way player.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
And all these.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Justifications that the Celtics are trying to say about why
they trade Jalen Brown, Yes, like salary is a huge
thing in today's NBA in the second apron, but you
know what happened last year? They traded Drew Holliday and
Christoph Porzingis, two other great players to get below the
second apron. So they're already below the second Apron. The
second thing is, oh, we don't like Jalen Brown saying
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on twitch stream that he liked this season the best
out of anyone, two years after he won the championship,
Like who cares? Like why does that matter? He is outspoken,
but he is not toxic in the locker room.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
He produces really well.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
He and Jason Tatum has clearly coexisted through multiple championships
and the NBA Finals, and even though oh Jalen Brown
was upset that they made him available in Jannes SNTA
to compo trade talks, they made him available on other
trade discussions for his entire career and they've gotten over it.
So there's this zero excuse for it, and they've got
substantially worse as a result of Now the Sixers they
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have a puncher's chance to challenge the Nixon the East.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I that trade, Dan and I were sitting here. I
couldn't even like wrap my head around it because it
seems so bad of a trade, you know what I mean.
I was like, now, no VJ. Edgecomb in this, like
it made no sense to me. That Again, Paul George,
who I don't like because of how he went on
his little merry way out at the Clippers and what
he's done on his podcast playoff pe podcast p Pandemic
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b all your ps.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
I don't like you.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I he's at the end of his career, and even
in this series, even in the playoffs for the seventy
six Ers, I didn't walk away thinking like the seventy
six Ers beat the Celtics because Paul George and what
he did that he wasn't to me the reason the
Sixers had success that series, right, So I was just
surprised at this at this move. But my question for
(26:07):
to develop Jalen Brown there was, you know, our very
own Colin Cowherd reports that he's a disease because of
how he views his intelligence, like he always thinks he's
the smartest man in the room. But you just said
he's not a toxic player, So what is there any
truth to that that maybe he rubbed people the wrong
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way by being a little bit too smart.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
It's very well possible.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
I haven't been told that directly, but I can see
the Celtics feeling that way, that there's an annoyance the
dynamic when he's mentioning things about his season and why
this season was the most enjoyable can rub them the
wrong way, or the subtle messaging where he's implying he's
better than Jason Tatum. But superstars have egos and these
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are normal things that organization manage, and when you're looking
at his play, he's always done the right thing. The
early part of his career for both he and Jason Tatum,
where they're trying to figure out how to have that
balance of ball dominant scoring players coexisting. They figured that out,
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and I think in Jalen's defense, even though clearly it
was not interpreted as such, and he said what he said,
I think the spirit of what Jalen Brown was talking
about with this twitch stream after they lost to the
Sixers on why this was the best year it had
more to it went beyond oh, he was in the
MVP mix, he had his career highs. I think the
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point he was making was a bigger thing that this
was a team that was expected to be in a
gap year because they thought Jason Tatum was going to
be out for the whole season because of his achilles.
They traded Porzingis in holiday because of the second Apron,
and they had a supporting cast of you know, outside
of Derek White, Derek White's great, but other players that
were good but not proven and lo and Behold. A
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year later, they were able to get to the playoffs
as a number two seed, and Joe Brown elevated his
play like he felt proud of that, even though they
obviously lost in the first round. Squad of the three
one series lead and so I think that was the
spirit that he was talking about why this was the
best year for him because there weren't that expectations and
there was a lot of potential to build off of
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that knowing that they build that continuity and Tatum is
going to.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Be fully healthy next season.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
So I think the Celtics could have gotten over this
even with the you know, Giannis negotiations. And the bottom
line is Jaylen Brown can be upset with things all
he once, It's never sacrificed his play. So from a
bottom line standpoint, if you have a superstar player that's
upset about things, you evaluate if that's affecting how the
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team's winning, and it never has.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
As I told Manci Mark Medina joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio on Stuc Gott's Company Lives, She's Bonziy blinios.
I'm dam buyer, you know, Monsiy and I talked about
this just as well of why did they have to
do the deal, And that's why I think the messaging
coming out now and whether it be Colin Cowhard, sources
or whoever are making it, say that it is. And
(29:15):
I think that's kind of what you're alluding to, that
you don't believe that it was unsustainable in Boston, and
I think that's the messaging that they're trying to get out,
because it's not why did you trade him to the
seventy six ers, it's also why did you trade him
to the seventy six ers when you could have just
kept him if there was no market for him. So
I think it really seems to me that that's the
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Boston Celtics PR team really in motion, trying to tell
everybody the reason why Jalen Brown could not stay in Boston.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Yeah, that's a really good point, and I think, you know,
I think it's revealing that maybe the market wasn't as
robust as the Celtics thought, and they settled because this
was the best option available. But if that's the best
option available, you don't have to take a deal just
for the sake of it, now, you know. I do
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add a caveat that if there are things that happened
behind the scenes that made them convince it's unsustainable, you know,
I'll be humbled to learn about that. But just knowing
how the dynamics play out to this point, I would
be very surprised that, for all the frustrations that both
sides obviously had about each other, that it was something
I was so toxic that they decided, you know what,
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we have to part ways because this is the best
of bad options.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
I would be very surprised if that actually happened.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I will also add this just to that conversation, because
I think the Giannis deal plays into it because of
Jalen Brown being a part of that. If Milwaukee thought
that they could then flip Jalen Brown along with the
getting the Celtics two first round picks for a package
that could match the Heats deal, I think they would
have done it. But I think Milwaukee, probably like Boston,
found out around the league that Jalen Brown wasn't as
(30:55):
valuable as maybe we all thought. So the Heats deal
when you're now that and comparing it to what if
you were to combine the Celtics hall for Jalen Brown
combined with two other first round picks, That's what Milwaukee
would have gotten in return, and the Bucks got two
unprotected ones. They've got, they had the pick that they
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just had in the draft from Miami, and you also
had quality players. And I think that the I think
that the league kind of knew what was going on.
I think we're about Jalen Brown. I think that there
just wasn't the market for him. He's also I say,
he's also thirty years old, but I still think of
Jalen Brown as like twenty four year old Jalen Brown.
And he's not twenty four year old Jaalen Brown. But
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still and yeah, and I think that now the Boston's
just because people can't understand why you would do it,
do a trade to the seventy six ers. Now they're
just trying to say face Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
I've learned that, especially during this time fourth of July,
that the NBA it almost feels like a political convention.
You're getting the thought process from front office folks, then
the players, the agents, and every version of perspective is valid,
but you're having to sort out, Okay, what's fact, what's fiction,
(32:10):
what's somewhere in between, and then the information vacuum of
what's getting out there isn't always the full story. But
so I say that knowing that we don't know the
full story, but I would be surprised behind the scenes
and something toxic happened so much that it wasn't sustainable.
And I think there's a good point you made, Dan
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about the market is what the market is if other
teams are not showing the strong level of interest in
Jalen Brown that you would think it would be. That's
revealing of itself. But you also have to keep in
mind who are the other players on that specific team.
Are they already committed to with long term contracts? And
so I think that's where the financials can come into
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play with opposing teams would But when it comes to
the Celtics, the only financials they have are you know,
significantly are Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum, and they took
care of those other significant financials last year when they
traded Porzingis in holiday.
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Speaker 7 (33:36):
My hand. I have today's top board list, the top
from the Home office of York Pennsylvania Top four. Mark
Medina comments from the first from the first segment, Number
four takes them ten minutes to pick us off serve
ice cream tone and then he ends up getting vanilla
in chocolate anyway. Number number three he always sits in
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the middle seat because you can't in between the aisle
and the window.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
He's saying, you're sitting on the fence like Medina.
Speaker 7 (34:06):
Yes, number number two, they'll never be a syndicated court
show called Judge Medina, although it sounds pretty cool. And
number one, you didn't play a walk up music, but
if you did now it would be funky warm Medina.
Oh okay, how about that Stu, Thank guys, happy.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
For thanks Tony.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Wow, what a roast. Here to be clear that I
never sin the middle. I'm always ile.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Now he can't decide, I'll tell you what Australia is
on the verge of losing this penalty kick Egypt a
makeaway from moving.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
On, and I'm always chocolate on the self serve, never vanilla.
I do have opinions, all.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
Right, Jason Stewart, I decided to name the hour in
the mix with Mark Medina today, but I'm thinking maybe
in the middle with Mark Medina.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
DNA's never going to come on for this long ever again.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
This is it.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I think it's been great and we didn't even get
to Kawhi Leonard. Do you want to get to Kawhi
Leonard once?
Speaker 5 (35:07):
I mean always?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I can talk about Kawhi Leonard all day every day.
Were No, I'm not good riddance, No, no, I'm not.
Thanks Kawai. I appreciate everything you did. He he kept
the relevance of the Clippers after a lob city and
I think after all the injuries that he has had
to continue to put his body back through it to
get back on the court. When last season MVP caliber
(35:30):
season by Kawhi last year, I understand the goodbye. I
understand it. I thank him, and I'm glad he's going
somewhere where he's loved.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
But I'm glad we're turning the page.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
New new Clippers era come in and I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Yeah, I've seen that. Uh you know, there's some that
say this is the worst move in franchise history. I
think that's too strong because the Clippers have a lot
of bad moves. They sure do, they sure do.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
I don't I do.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
I don't hate Kawhi Leonard at all.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
I like, did he went back to Toronto? Yeah, like
it wasn't just like, oh, I'm gonna go to the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
And watch them win a championship. Now all of a sudden,
he's well healthy and the load management works.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. When it
comes to the Eastern Conference, Okay, what is the hierarchy
that you see?
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Yeah, right now, I see still New York, that I
see Philadelphia, that I see Toronto at third Wow in Cleveland. Know,
even without Lebron, because as Monsey can attest, James Harden
is a playoff liability.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
What about with Lebron? Do they move up?
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Yeah, they move up because he's Lebron, But I don't
think it fundamentally changes anything because James Harden's doesn't show
up in the playoffs. Not great defense. I think Donovan
Mitchell is a great regular season player, but he doesn't
camouflage things in the playoffs. And defensively, unless they're getting
some enforcers, they are not going to stop anyone.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
And is there anybody in the West that did anything that?
I mean the Jahn Morant moved to Portland. We've only
got about that.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
I was surprised about that.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
I thought that they things can change, but I thought
that that would be a flip to another move. I
don't see it, and I'm not even talking about off
the court stuff. From a fit standpoint. They have way
too many guards.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Maybe they're blazing a new trail in Egypt is on
to the round of sixteen. They win on penalty kicks
against Australia. Jason Stewart, one of his entries in a
survivor pool, is alive. You're behind the scenes. But the
Aussis made a bit of a mess with pks two
out of the four that they had, and Egypt was perfect.
(37:42):
So Egypt is moving on. Mark Medina will be moving
on as we bid. Farewell, have a great Fourth of July,
and if we could do this again, we will.
Speaker 6 (37:51):
This was this was great. Yes, looking forward to it.
I'll gladly take the middle seat, but with strong opinions.
Chocolate soft sir, let's see, I'll see when it comes
to UH cigars Fourth of July. It's a definitive yes.
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All right, we are in the mix with Mark Medina
for the next hour here on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in. Yeah,
turn that micro on, Mark Medina.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I got you.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
This is something new that we're doing here on this
day before America's birthday. By the way, is there any
date on the calendar that gets more short change than
July third? Right? Like, it's I mean cause it's July fourth,
It's coming up tomorrow, it's America's birthday. But Mark Medeena's here.
You can call in eight seven, seven nine nine on
Fox eight seven seven nine six six three sixty nine
(00:58):
if you have any questions about out the NBA anything
you want to ask Mark. But I figured over the
next hour, considering what's happened in free agency, that Mancy
we would get to pick the brains of someone who
is locked in and can really put into perspective of
what's going on so far in free agency.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
And then some I think he needs a gabble because
he's going to be judgment.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
We get it out of the way.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Of course, we get it out of the way.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
You said I was.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Whack mark first of all. Welcome happy early fourth.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Yes, san moncey.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
So I have to pay judge and jury referee yellow cards.
You can, you can.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I almost don't want him to hear our opinions from
each other, because I think that leads a bias into it.
Nothing towards you, but everybody sides with Manci like like,
that's so I am already at a disadvantage.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
You don't want to lead the witness.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I almost want like an impartial party like Jason Stewart
to give you the two sides of the argument. Are
you good with that? Monster?
Speaker 7 (02:01):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
He just better explain it right.
Speaker 8 (02:04):
Well, I don't know if I want to articulate both sides.
I do have a suggestion, though, how about we just
kind of leave it open ended. Now. You don't have
to give away your opinion by setting it up so
to just say, like.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
One of us thinks this and the other one thinks this.
Speaker 8 (02:18):
Like Mark a year ago when Lebron put out that statement,
take it from here, was what did Mark think at
that point about Lebron's future in.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
LA when Lebron announced he was going to opt into
his contract, What did you think was happening a year
ago at that time?
Speaker 6 (02:33):
At that time, I thought it's the final year with
the Lakers. It may or may not be the final
year of his NBA career. But with that huge caveat,
I've also taught myself that everything can always change because
of circumstances. But at that point, it seemed clear by
to handicap this put money on it, Lebron's time with
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the Lakers is only this season.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I think that that is a great caveat because he
brought up the point of change. Did you think things
changed throughout the season.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Yes, and so even as of last week my opinion
and some folks around the league that I've talked to, executives,
different scouts, there wasn't a unanimous thought, but most thought that,
you know what, I think he will come back to
the Lakers because even though it's not Max money, it's
still more money than most teams can are willing to offer,
(03:29):
and the Luka Doncic fit wasn't perfect, but they saw
a lot of growth and there wasn't any personality tensions
with Lucas specifically. They got along fine. There's a lot
of respect for each other. The tension is more about
for an office dynamics, what's the priority with roster moves
around Lebron and his contract.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
So with all those variables, there.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Was a feeling I could see Lebron come back, but
I want to be surprised if he also leaves.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Manci has got a look on her face, But up
until that last line, I thought the the the look changed. Well,
I think there was a bit of a There was
a bit of a I told you so well.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
No, because it starts off with him stating what you
thought a year ago and I I did not think
that a year ago. I let's just put it out
there and.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
We'll keep it simple.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
We've been kind of arguing as to what Lebron and
his camp, everything that's been said, as Dan said, seems
to be full of lies. And the reason I think
it sounds like it's full of lies is because I
think the plan for Lebron was to be a Laker
and then up until they signed Austin Reeves. I think
is when that became the reality was at that point,
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you don't want to pay me what I what I
would want as a Laker. Now I'm gonna move on.
But I think this entire time, especially because how he
helped the Lakers win a series in the playoffs without
Luca and Austin Reeves being you know, half injured, because
he did come back that I think he he thought
I'm gonna I'm gonna be a Laker again, I'm gonna
come back, and it just it's reality and he's not.
And that's why these are, oh, twenty sevent teams. There's
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not twenty seven teams who have asked about Lebron.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
There's not.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
But the reason it sounds like everything is kind of
like you're just throwing things to the wall and seeing
what sticks is because I thought the plan was he wanted.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
To be a Laker.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I think the challenging thing with the Lakers and Lebron
is that everything can always evolve change and both parties,
whether you agree with one side or the other, or
you look at it circumstance by circumstance, they all embrace
and are used to the soap opera dynamics that there
can always be a pivot point, that can be that
(05:38):
turning point toward a decision, but there can also be
a detour. So, for example, when there were the ESPN
story earlier in the season that laid out the latest
dynamics with the front office and Lebron, and just the
feeling that Genie bust didn't think Lebron was appreciative enough
that they drafted Browny, you could have thought, you know what,
this is the end of the road Hereron on the
(06:00):
next day was clearly irritated with it. When I asked him,
what's the diet, what's the collaboration partnership like with Genie,
he said, well, I thought it used to be good.
Pat past tense and you think, you know what, like
this isn't gonna be good. But then from a on
court chemistry standpoint, things were getting better, like Luca Dodge
(06:21):
ch Austin reeves, the health was improving, the trade deadline
moves and the continuity is improving. The bottom line results
were improving in March where he thought, okay, like this
can be salvageable, But then the injuries happened, the contract
negotiations happened, so everything is always subject to change, and
there's so many a million potential pivot points. It makes
(06:44):
for one great soap opera to fin.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I'll I'll just say this, he held a grudge with
pat Riley over chocolate chip cookies, so that grudge of
them not doing a one in one with him a
year ago, which is why I think. I think the
decision was made at that point, and I don't think
anything happened. I think the Lakers wanted to move on,
and Lebron said, fine, I'm going to opt in, pay
me fifty million dollars for what was this past season,
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and then I am going to go elsewhere, and no
matter what would have happened over this past year, I
felt that then teams would know that he would be available,
Like if he would have just opted out of his
contract last year. There weren't teams available for him to
go to at that time because it was so late
in the game. And I think that this was all orchestrated.
So I think his decision again is fifty to fifty
(07:30):
in signing with you and me, And I don't believe
all of those executives who thought he would go back
to the Lakers. That's why you have bad gms. They
can't read they can't read the room at all.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Do you think that if Lebron really a year ago,
because this is the other part of my argument with
this with Dan, if a year ago when he opted
into that contract he knew this is my final year
as a Laker, wouldn't he have leaned into that so
that the fans knew was going to be his last
time were in purple and gold.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Yeah, here's the thing that we have to keep in mind.
No doubt Lebron has calculated. He thinks big picture, but
there have been a I think, play by play details
because he's human and just life itself. That's made it unpredictable.
So I think that he did opt in so he'd
get his money. It's fifty two million dollars. If he
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opted out, he won't get the same. I think at
that point in time, he didn't truly know if he
was still capable of prolonging his career without relegating his
role to be like Vince Carter, where he's prolonging it,
but now he's a six man, he's a reserve. He
doesn't want to do that, and so I think part
of the reason why some of this change is that
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he wasn't a perfect player, certainly defensively, but from an
offensive standpoint, role standpoint, he still could make the case
that he can prolong his career and still be not
the number one option, but a focal point for a team.
So I think that's the other thing. As I was
thinking about this whole dynamic with the Lakers and Lebron,
(09:05):
three t words come to mind with how to sum
it up. It's always been transactional from both sides. It's
there's occasionally been tension, but there's it's there's never been toxic,
any toxic environment. And so with that always transactional. There's
(09:25):
some tension, but it's never toxic. It's made it for
this really gray relationship where there was never a lot
of warmth. There's been disagreements, but when there's been disagreements,
there's been respectful parting of ways here and that's it's been.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Fascinating, which is honestly different than any of the other
Lakers stars have been treated in the past. I mean,
because it felt like Magic and Kobe, they were all
family to the bus family, and this was feels different.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Yeah, And three years ago, this was the Lakers are
at the Western Conference Finals, Lebron is suggesting after they
lose the Nuggets, you know, I'm not sure if I'm
gonna keep playing, you know, my body, et cetera.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
So there was.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Technically this period of uncertainty, and he then announced that
the S piece is coming back. I connected with Genie
Buss a few weeks after that about state of the
team things, and I was asking Genie for her perspective,
what would it mean if Lebron retires as a Laker,
and her answer, I think forecasted what happens. She said,
(10:29):
it would mean a lot. We value Lebron, but we're
also aware that, you know, there's been other players that
haven't retired as a Laker, like Shaquille O'Neal, but that
didn't change our appreciation for what he provided the franchise
at the time, and with Lebron, it was the twenty
twenty NBA Championship ending that six year playoff drought or
(10:51):
worst stretch of franchise history, and obviously the revenue that
he helped produce with the Lakers. And then she mentioned,
you know, we still retired Shaquille O'Neal's number, and so
I said, well, given that, will Lebron's jersey beer retired?
And she said yeah. Our criteria is when you're in
(11:11):
the Hall of Fame, you're deserving of having a retire jersey.
And there's no doubt he's going to be there, so
we will retire his jersey once that happens. Now here's
the other thing. Lebron's going to get his jersey retired.
But what I asked, is it both numbers? One are
the numbers. That's a subject for another time. So it's
very well possible they will retire one of his jersey numbers,
(11:34):
just not both sure and the statue. I would be surprised.
I almost think of it like Welt Chamberlain. He is,
obviously this iconic player still hood holds the best scoring record.
He got his jersey retired, but he wasn't seen as
a Laker. I mean he was with the Lakers, but
he was more associated with Philadelphia. I don't think he's
getting a statue, and he obviously hasn't had one yet.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
James is in Virginia wants to join into the conversation
and ask Mark Medina our NBA In Chatterer, It's an
hour of in the Mix with Mark Medina here on
stut Gotzy Company live on Fox Sports Radio. James, welcome
to Stugatzia Company. What's going on?
Speaker 9 (12:12):
Oh, thanks for taking my call, Happy Friday, Happy fourth
of July. Man, big time, all the time, every time,
slut the commanders for me.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Man.
Speaker 9 (12:19):
My question is if Lebron is about trying to win
a fifth title and he's willing to take a vet minimum,
and I'm looking at the league like, where could he go?
What are the odds that he could end up to
me in OKAC or Denver? And Denver certainly flows like
a two hour flight from la and around Arizona where
his little boy's playing. So I'm curious to see that.
I think in Denver would be a great with Yo Kitsch.
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They can play off each other nicely. I'll take it
off the air. Thank you again, Joning y'all and the
Firecracker Bilanos' break fourth of July, you too.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
James, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Happy fourth.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
What do you think about Denver OKC for Lebron?
Speaker 6 (12:56):
So I checked in technically the twenty seven teams you
know list, It's not that but are you sure.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I am sure. Yes.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
I asked for what's the criteria, and it's very open
ended because I don't I think Lebron's criteria is now
shifted because he's not making max money and he is
about winning, but at the same time, it comes with
preconditions of he doesn't want to take a vet minimum
and join a team that's already catered made to win
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a championship. So I think you can eliminate teams like
the Knicks, the Spurs, the Thunder, the Nuggets, maybe because.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
He's not going to Denver.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
They want a championship, but there are more roster questions
in OKC, the Knicks and the Spurs. The Spurs right now,
the Thunder and the Knicks as constructed can win a championship.
It's not like they're a piece like Lebron missing the Nuggets.
They have an outside chance, but it's not the same
as it was in twenty twenty three. So I would
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rule those three teams out definitively. I wouldn't rule out Denver,
but I would also be surprised. I think it's coming
down to the likely candidates Golden State, Cleveland, Miami. There
is a feeling that even though the Warriors isn't the
best basketball decision because Steph Draymond are old, Jimmy Butler's
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coming off a cl injury. This isn't the team in
twenty sixteen, but there's still is a feeling that they're
in their driver's seat because of even if they're not
a favorite to win, they could still be in the mix.
The respect for Steph and Draymond, the proximity to the
Bay Area where theoretically he wouldn't have to move like
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he could do the whole flying back and forth where
you know he comes for home games. They are going
to practice, but because this team is AAR eligible, yeah
they're ARP eligible, there's not gonna be a lot of practices.
So there's times that he can be in LA while
in a Warrior's uniform because they're not practiced to go
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to but.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I liked Old State. I heard that one on social media.
Speaker 7 (15:09):
Credit for it.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
That is a good one.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Old Levey also plant some things here. It's it's uncertain,
but one thing I am certain about is you are
making fourth of July plans. We are not going to
hear Lebron James news this weekend. You are not going
to be at a barbecue where you get the Texas,
you are not going to have fireworks, and all of
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a sudden you see fireworks on Twitter. I asked for timelines,
and it's like, look like Lebron's going to.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Be patient all this stuff.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
I said, people should be prepared that this is a
week's thing, not a day's thing, and they affirm that's likely.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I told Manti, I think it's going to be on Wednesday,
July eighth, because there's no World Cup match that day
very well, and that could be his opportunity to then
grab some of the spot because also if Lebron doesn't
go to your team, and again it's not twenty seven,
and I don't think it's twelve to fourteen. I think
it's the three that Mark said. Those teams also then
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have to figure out, Okay, we don't have Lebron. Now,
how do we run the rest of this offseason? How
do we fill these certain spots. I don't think Philadelphia.
I think I think for Today for a headline heading
into the fourth of July weekend saying the seventy six
ers are eyeing Lebron, there is no way that that
is happening. There's zero chance he goes to Philadelphia, I
think so. I think that when it comes down to it,
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it is going to be those three teams. But it's
just a matter of when. At least we're in lockstep
on the timing of it as well, that it's not
going to be up against America's two hundred and fiftieth.
If it was America's two forty nine and it was
on a Tuesday, then maybe, but not on an extended weekend.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Yes, if he does go to the Warriors, he is
not going to replicate Kevin Durant's path In twenty sixteen
July fourth, that is when the player's tributing article drove
that he is leaving ok go to Golden State.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
All right, so who won? Who do you think? Side
a Jason Sam I would love to hear from the
listeners on Twitter and phoning in. I don't no, I'm
not putting it in their hands.
Speaker 8 (17:18):
Which Mark choose, because I think it's like a there
was so much gray area. I think in our pre
show meeting, I was asked how I thought Medina would
come out on this, and he was going to be
right in the middle, and he was going to offer
up all this gray area, and he wouldn't choose one
or the other. He actually chose both of your answers
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as I predicted. Don't don't get me wrong. There's a
lot of nuanced facts in here. But what Mark doesn't
quite understand is that sports talk radio is not about nuance.
You need to be black or white, there is no gray.
He never chose a side. So I guess maybe I
want to Pinmark down who was more right. Was it
Dan Bayer who predicted a year ago that he was
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never coming back to the Lakers, or was it Moncey
Wright who he didn't really make up his mind until recently.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
To be clear, Jay stew I hope I was not
coming across as playing both sides of the fence, being
this conventional politician. It was more about giving all the
information that makes this complicated but sound bite sports talk
radio form. I think that at that point he made
up his mind, but all the things that happened in
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between crystallized the decision. So it's not absolute he's never
going back, but he thought, you know what, I'm likely leaving,
and everything that's happened the year ago, good bad somewhere
in between crystallized.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Wise on so the.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Line was drawn in the sand a year ago.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Not right, That's that's the question.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
A year ago, he wasn't he knew he wasn't going
to be a Laker.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
He drew a line in the sand, but it wasn't
a red line, so you know, in the sand, you
can get over it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Seriously, like we've got some commercials to play, like I
just need to. But that's that's the whole crux of
my argument is it was on June twenty ninth that
he said you're dead to me no matter what. Yeah,
that he made up his mind when they said we're
not going to do another one plus one. That all right, fine,
tell him he's whack.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I don't think there was ever no going back. It
was more, yeah, I'm leaning toward this. Everything that happened
crystallized it. But there would have been a way to
salvage it. So if I have to choose, I guess
he wanted.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
To be a Laker.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
He wanted to be a Laker.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Under certain conditions.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Right, Like I don't think his was to not retire
as not a Laker.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Yeah, I mean it was under certain conditions. Clearly, Hence
he's not here. He's not taking this huge discount. He
didn't want to repeat the same role. And also, I
think the other thing that was a huge source of
discontent is how the front office moved that. They'll both
say they want to win championships, but from Lebron's perspective,
they were thinking more long term few sure than these
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win now moves during trade deadline offices.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I would also argue that it's actually the day the
Lakers got Luka Doncic that signified the end of the
Lebron era with the Lakers because he was no longer
going to have the power over the organization that he
had when he was the top dog.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
How convenient.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, and that's who you were your argument, I think
it's But I think it's true. I think that changed everything.
And here, and that happened five months prior to Lebron's decision,
Like when the Lakers were given Luca, everything changed.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Without a doubt.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
And here's the thing with this. Both sides were interested
in a reunion, but only under certain preconditions. So that's
where that were.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I think impossible to mention, that were impossible to meet.
And that's why I just don't Yeah, and was it just.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
The money, because of his ego.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
It wasn't just the money. The money is a factor,
but it was also the front office. I think that
even though Lebron isn't blameless from his perspective, he's talking
to the front office like some other stars are of Hey,
here's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Here are some.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Suggestions, but you're the decision makers, and when decisions were made.
It was put on him that he had the overt influence,
But I think the bigger thing was more of when
he looked at these pre tried deadlines and off seasons.
Russell Westbrook aside, the Lakers clearly always valued draft capital,
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financial flexibility, so they weren't mortgaging the future. Or from
Lebron's end, he's thinking, well, I don't know how many
years I have left. I want win now moves. As
long as I'm here, there's still a chance to win
a championship. So if I had a handicap, it's more
that than the money. But the money is always a factor.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
And now it's all about happiness.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
So who on the bet? Or was I too evasive
and long window with this?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I don't even know. I'm even sick of talking about
Lebron though, like I'm like, I'm sick of hearing me
talk about Lebron, Like, I guess what good news lister
Thirty minutes of Lebron Free Radio coming up here on
Fox Sports Radio. Got Jalb Brown Talk, We got Kawhi Leonard,
I you know, want some Janni's talk and just the
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Speaker 2 (22:31):
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Speaker 6 (22:45):
Let's see Forbes Fadeaway World and I do as you
all know, some LA TV work with CBS and Spectrum.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Of course you guys are Fox.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yes, absolutely, Chris Prophet's gonna give us an update of
what's going on between Australia and Australia, and in about
eight minutes or so, as that one is in extra time,
I'll just tell you right now they're taught up at
one an extra time. But if we get a goal
or we get a score, we'll head over to Chris
for that. Otherwise we could be heading to penalty kicks.
Let's get into more of the NBA free agency discussion.
(23:15):
So the Jalen Brown details on him being dealt to
Philadelphia now saying it's a more of a salary move
than anything else for Boston. What was your take when
the Celtics shipped them to a rival in Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Yeah, I thought it was a terrible trade.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
I think you can make the argument that this jail
In Brown Paul George trade is worse than what the
Clippers did to get Paul George, because even in hindsight
where it clearly didn't work out, at the time, the
Clippers were thinking, we're gonna win a championship, but to
get to Kawhi, you gotta get Paul George, Shay Gilges
Alexander Gray player, but he wasn't envyp Nobody knew how
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he was going to be that here, even even though
the Celtics are getting draft picks. Paul George is not
the same caliber player as Jalen Brown. Paul George can
show up in the playoffs, but he can also show duds.
We don't know when he's available, whether it's injuries or
PD suspensions. He is a great two way talent, but
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Jalen Brown is a much better two way player.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
And all these.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Justifications that the Celtics are trying to say about why
they trade Jalen Brown, Yes, like salary is a huge
thing in today's NBA in the second apron, but you
know what happened last year? They traded Drew Holliday and
Christoph Porzingis, two other great players to get below the
second apron. So they're already below the second Apron. The
second thing is, oh, we don't like Jalen Brown saying
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on twitch stream that he liked this season the best
out of anyone, two years after he won the championship,
Like who cares? Like why does that matter? He is outspoken,
but he is not toxic in the locker room.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
He produces really well.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
He and Jason Tatum has clearly coexisted through multiple championships
and the NBA Finals, and even though oh Jalen Brown
was upset that they made him available in Jannes SNTA
to compo trade talks, they made him available on other
trade discussions for his entire career and they've gotten over it.
So there's this zero excuse for it, and they've got
substantially worse as a result of Now the Sixers they
(25:16):
have a puncher's chance to challenge the Nixon the East.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I that trade, Dan and I were sitting here. I
couldn't even like wrap my head around it because it
seems so bad of a trade, you know what I mean.
I was like, now, no VJ. Edgecomb in this, like
it made no sense to me. That Again, Paul George,
who I don't like because of how he went on
his little merry way out at the Clippers and what
he's done on his podcast playoff pe podcast p Pandemic
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b all your ps.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
I don't like you.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I he's at the end of his career, and even
in this series, even in the playoffs for the seventy
six Ers, I didn't walk away thinking like the seventy
six Ers beat the Celtics because Paul George and what
he did that he wasn't to me the reason the
Sixers had success that series, right, So I was just
surprised at this at this move. But my question for
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to develop Jalen Brown there was, you know, our very
own Colin Cowherd reports that he's a disease because of
how he views his intelligence, like he always thinks he's
the smartest man in the room. But you just said
he's not a toxic player, So what is there any
truth to that that maybe he rubbed people the wrong
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way by being a little bit too smart.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
It's very well possible.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
I haven't been told that directly, but I can see
the Celtics feeling that way, that there's an annoyance the
dynamic when he's mentioning things about his season and why
this season was the most enjoyable can rub them the
wrong way, or the subtle messaging where he's implying he's
better than Jason Tatum. But superstars have egos and these
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are normal things that organization manage, and when you're looking
at his play, he's always done the right thing. The
early part of his career for both he and Jason Tatum,
where they're trying to figure out how to have that
balance of ball dominant scoring players coexisting. They figured that out,
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and I think in Jalen's defense, even though clearly it
was not interpreted as such, and he said what he said,
I think the spirit of what Jalen Brown was talking
about with this twitch stream after they lost to the
Sixers on why this was the best year it had
more to it went beyond oh, he was in the
MVP mix, he had his career highs. I think the
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point he was making was a bigger thing that this
was a team that was expected to be in a
gap year because they thought Jason Tatum was going to
be out for the whole season because of his achilles.
They traded Porzingis in holiday because of the second Apron,
and they had a supporting cast of you know, outside
of Derek White, Derek White's great, but other players that
were good but not proven and lo and Behold. A
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year later, they were able to get to the playoffs
as a number two seed, and Joe Brown elevated his
play like he felt proud of that, even though they
obviously lost in the first round. Squad of the three
one series lead and so I think that was the
spirit that he was talking about why this was the
best year for him because there weren't that expectations and
there was a lot of potential to build off of
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that knowing that they build that continuity and Tatum is
going to.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Be fully healthy next season.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
So I think the Celtics could have gotten over this
even with the you know, Giannis negotiations. And the bottom
line is Jaylen Brown can be upset with things all
he once, It's never sacrificed his play. So from a
bottom line standpoint, if you have a superstar player that's
upset about things, you evaluate if that's affecting how the
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team's winning, and it never has.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
As I told Manci Mark Medina joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio on Stuc Gott's Company Lives, She's Bonziy blinios.
I'm dam buyer, you know, Monsiy and I talked about
this just as well of why did they have to
do the deal, And that's why I think the messaging
coming out now and whether it be Colin Cowhard, sources
or whoever are making it, say that it is. And
(29:15):
I think that's kind of what you're alluding to, that
you don't believe that it was unsustainable in Boston, and
I think that's the messaging that they're trying to get out,
because it's not why did you trade him to the
seventy six ers, it's also why did you trade him
to the seventy six ers when you could have just
kept him if there was no market for him. So
I think it really seems to me that that's the
(29:36):
Boston Celtics PR team really in motion, trying to tell
everybody the reason why Jalen Brown could not stay in Boston.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Yeah, that's a really good point, and I think, you know,
I think it's revealing that maybe the market wasn't as
robust as the Celtics thought, and they settled because this
was the best option available. But if that's the best
option available, you don't have to take a deal just
for the sake of it, now, you know. I do
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add a caveat that if there are things that happened
behind the scenes that made them convince it's unsustainable, you know,
I'll be humbled to learn about that. But just knowing
how the dynamics play out to this point, I would
be very surprised that, for all the frustrations that both
sides obviously had about each other, that it was something
I was so toxic that they decided, you know what,
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we have to part ways because this is the best
of bad options.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
I would be very surprised if that actually happened.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I will also add this just to that conversation, because
I think the Giannis deal plays into it because of
Jalen Brown being a part of that. If Milwaukee thought
that they could then flip Jalen Brown along with the
getting the Celtics two first round picks for a package
that could match the Heats deal, I think they would
have done it. But I think Milwaukee, probably like Boston,
found out around the league that Jalen Brown wasn't as
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valuable as maybe we all thought. So the Heats deal
when you're now that and comparing it to what if
you were to combine the Celtics hall for Jalen Brown
combined with two other first round picks, That's what Milwaukee
would have gotten in return, and the Bucks got two
unprotected ones. They've got, they had the pick that they
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just had in the draft from Miami, and you also
had quality players. And I think that the I think
that the league kind of knew what was going on.
I think we're about Jalen Brown. I think that there
just wasn't the market for him. He's also I say,
he's also thirty years old, but I still think of
Jalen Brown as like twenty four year old Jalen Brown.
And he's not twenty four year old Jaalen Brown. But
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still and yeah, and I think that now the Boston's
just because people can't understand why you would do it,
do a trade to the seventy six ers. Now they're
just trying to say face Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
I've learned that, especially during this time fourth of July,
that the NBA it almost feels like a political convention.
You're getting the thought process from front office folks, then
the players, the agents, and every version of perspective is valid,
but you're having to sort out, Okay, what's fact, what's fiction,
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what's somewhere in between, and then the information vacuum of
what's getting out there isn't always the full story. But
so I say that knowing that we don't know the
full story, but I would be surprised behind the scenes
and something toxic happened so much that it wasn't sustainable.
And I think there's a good point you made, Dan
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about the market is what the market is if other
teams are not showing the strong level of interest in
Jalen Brown that you would think it would be. That's
revealing of itself. But you also have to keep in
mind who are the other players on that specific team.
Are they already committed to with long term contracts? And
so I think that's where the financials can come into
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play with opposing teams would But when it comes to
the Celtics, the only financials they have are you know,
significantly are Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum, and they took
care of those other significant financials last year when they
traded Porzingis in holiday.
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Speaker 7 (33:36):
My hand. I have today's top board list, the top
from the Home office of York Pennsylvania Top four. Mark
Medina comments from the first from the first segment, Number
four takes them ten minutes to pick us off serve
ice cream tone and then he ends up getting vanilla
in chocolate anyway. Number number three he always sits in
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the middle seat because you can't in between the aisle
and the window.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
He's saying, you're sitting on the fence like Medina.
Speaker 7 (34:06):
Yes, number number two, they'll never be a syndicated court
show called Judge Medina, although it sounds pretty cool. And
number one, you didn't play a walk up music, but
if you did now it would be funky warm Medina.
Oh okay, how about that Stu, Thank guys, happy.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
For thanks Tony.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Wow, what a roast. Here to be clear that I
never sin the middle. I'm always ile.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Now he can't decide, I'll tell you what Australia is
on the verge of losing this penalty kick Egypt a
makeaway from moving.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
On, and I'm always chocolate on the self serve, never vanilla.
I do have opinions, all.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
Right, Jason Stewart, I decided to name the hour in
the mix with Mark Medina today, but I'm thinking maybe
in the middle with Mark Medina.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
DNA's never going to come on for this long ever again.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
This is it.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I think it's been great and we didn't even get
to Kawhi Leonard. Do you want to get to Kawhi
Leonard once?
Speaker 5 (35:07):
I mean always?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I can talk about Kawhi Leonard all day every day.
Were No, I'm not good riddance, No, no, I'm not.
Thanks Kawai. I appreciate everything you did. He he kept
the relevance of the Clippers after a lob city and
I think after all the injuries that he has had
to continue to put his body back through it to
get back on the court. When last season MVP caliber
(35:30):
season by Kawhi last year, I understand the goodbye. I
understand it. I thank him, and I'm glad he's going
somewhere where he's loved.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
But I'm glad we're turning the page.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
New new Clippers era come in and I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Yeah, I've seen that. Uh you know, there's some that
say this is the worst move in franchise history. I
think that's too strong because the Clippers have a lot
of bad moves. They sure do, they sure do.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
I don't I do.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
I don't hate Kawhi Leonard at all.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
I like, did he went back to Toronto? Yeah, like
it wasn't just like, oh, I'm gonna go to the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
And watch them win a championship. Now all of a sudden,
he's well healthy and the load management works.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. When it
comes to the Eastern Conference, Okay, what is the hierarchy
that you see?
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Yeah, right now, I see still New York, that I
see Philadelphia, that I see Toronto at third Wow in Cleveland. Know,
even without Lebron, because as Monsey can attest, James Harden
is a playoff liability.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
What about with Lebron? Do they move up?
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Yeah, they move up because he's Lebron, But I don't
think it fundamentally changes anything because James Harden's doesn't show
up in the playoffs. Not great defense. I think Donovan
Mitchell is a great regular season player, but he doesn't
camouflage things in the playoffs. And defensively, unless they're getting
some enforcers, they are not going to stop anyone.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
And is there anybody in the West that did anything that?
I mean the Jahn Morant moved to Portland. We've only
got about that.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
I was surprised about that.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
I thought that they things can change, but I thought
that that would be a flip to another move. I
don't see it, and I'm not even talking about off
the court stuff. From a fit standpoint. They have way
too many guards.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Maybe they're blazing a new trail in Egypt is on
to the round of sixteen. They win on penalty kicks
against Australia. Jason Stewart, one of his entries in a
survivor pool, is alive. You're behind the scenes. But the
Aussis made a bit of a mess with pks two
out of the four that they had, and Egypt was perfect.
(37:42):
So Egypt is moving on. Mark Medina will be moving
on as we bid. Farewell, have a great Fourth of July,
and if we could do this again, we will.
Speaker 6 (37:51):
This was this was great. Yes, looking forward to it.
I'll gladly take the middle seat, but with strong opinions.
Chocolate soft sir, let's see, I'll see when it comes
to UH cigars Fourth of July. It's a definitive yes.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Mark Medina. Ladies and gentlemen, she's motts, I'm dan. We're
sticking around here on Fox
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