July 16, 2026 • 35 mins
Dan and Monse filling in for Stu and the guys as they discuss the latest obnoxious antics of Caitlin Clark. Monse has a big problem with something NBA CJ McCollum said. Plus, what's on the Lebron Watch '26?
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Want to reach us eight seven seven nine nine on Fox,
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But like Lebron James, we're only going to take questions
from planted eleven year old kids, So those are the
only calls that we are taking today. Jason Stewart, it
is my half birthday. How are you?
Speaker 7 (01:44):
No? I knew it was your half birthday. I've been
planning on this. This is why I wanted to take
you golfing today. So today after the show, we're going
to play golf for your half birthday. He did say,
your plans for the entire time.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Golf, and we may play half of eighteen holes because
it is so freaking.
Speaker 8 (01:58):
Hodays are crazy nine holes half of eight too, But
but it's hot everywhere. Yeah, it is hot, and it
was hot last night at gain bridgefield House, or at
least somebody was hot.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
And that's one Caitlyn Clark. Boy, was she mad?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Mancy Belanos and that game against the Golden State Valkyries.
In fact, Caitlin Clark talked about the exchange after the
game that she had with the referee that went viral
on social media.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Killy game, take me through that second quarter play with
soakes that in.
Speaker 9 (02:32):
The claude like that hurts, like the ref campus that
and then I have to play with a contusion in
my life the rest of the game.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
It's ridiculous Campus.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Now, I don't shoot the messenger because whenever we talk
about Caitlin Clark, the messenger is always attacked. But remember
a couple of weeks ago when the whole Alyssa Thomas
situation came out and we did a clip Like many
up sun Fox Sports Radio, when you talk about Kaitlyn Clark,
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it grabs a lot of attention. But my point was
that Caitlin Clark isn't innocent in all of this, and
what happened last night in what you saw last night
in that clip was one of the things that I
was talking about in all this. Now, the other part
was the taunting on the free throw miss and other things,
(03:24):
and just players going after players, and you'd get a
lot of comments of, well, a fist to the neck
isn't the same as taunting. Someone agreed, agreed with that,
but don't make it seem like Caitlyn Clark is little
miss angel done nothing wrong. This has actually been an
issue with Caitlin Clark throughout her career, so much so
(03:48):
I think ESPN had a special camera just for her
dad because he would be telling her during games, calm down,
let it go, stop complaining that sort of thing. And
last night wasn't a great look for Kaitlin Clark.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
It really was not. I love Kaitlyn Clark.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
I think she is great, and I do believe that
she has had a rough time in the WNBA and
that it's been unfair treatment of Kaitlin Clark one hundred percent.
But last night, the way she reacted after that was
just like, girl.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
You cannot do that.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
I understand that life has been unfair for you in
the WNBA. I understand that they have missed call after
call after call. I understand that the officiating in the
WNBA is a joke. I understand that you feel like
you have a target on your back. I understand all that.
But with great power comes great responsibility, and your responsibility
(04:45):
in that.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Moment is to keep your cool and not act like that.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
And that was I think an extreme built up frustration
for her, letting it out rite like it's spilled over.
She had been trying to maybe hold it in this
entire time. I really get all that. I feel bad
because she looks so bad in that clip. She looked
like such a brat. There's no way to deny it
in that clip, and it's just kind of like it's
unfair that you are now going to be criticized. I
(05:12):
get all that, but it's because of what comes with
the power that you have as Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
You can't act like that. You almost have to be
you almost have to always always.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Be on your best behavior, even there, even though there
are times that it is justified for you to act out.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
And I don't disagree with that, and I would say
that in this specific instance, Manzi, instead of being on twelve,
turn it down to five, right like the referee showed
magnificent restraint in not teeing her up. And I actually,
if we want to get to the real nuts and
bolts of it, the look is awful and you're one
(05:54):
hundred percent right. I think the worst part is the
doubling down in the postgame press conference. There's already this
thought process of the WNBA and the referees being poor,
and when you double down the way that you do
and say what you said and yeah, I got needed
in the thigh. How could you miss that? Reffs miss
(06:14):
a lot of calls, That's probably why they missed it.
And if you would have seen the way that she responded,
and at one point she wasn't trying to headbutt, but
she moved her head.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Forward in a.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Aggressive nature toward the official that if you were in
the NBA automatic tea possibly being tossed. And she didn't
get anything for this, and so like in this instance,
not only is she wrong, like we actually have to
give the WNBA official credit for understanding the situation and
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holding back, because then if you tear up, then it
becomes another complete different.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Fire story, right right, And that's almost worse for Caitlin Clark,
the fact that the ref didn't do that, because now
everybody so yes, because I think that everybody wants to
criticize Caitlin Clark. They can say she gets to be
a brat and they didn't give her a technical You
get that angle of it is gonna come out.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Sure, yeah, I can see that. I can see that.
I don't I think there's more on what the I
just I just I give the official credit. And like
in the terms that you're saying it, like maybe I
shouldn't have given the official credit. But in a way
of everybody saying that Caitlyn Clark is being you know,
(07:31):
ruled or officiated unfairly, here's an instance where it's only
about Caitlyn Clark, right, it's not about anybody else. And
they were like, okay, well we didn't tee you up.
So like in that sort of way, I understand the
firestorm that would build up as well. But there's more
to it. There's I know Jason Stewart wants to get
to the lip reading aspect of it and what exactly
Caitlin Clark said, But Iowa, Sam you want in.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
I totally agree with you.
Speaker 10 (07:54):
Guys, Like the ref in this instance is like allowing
the toddler to have the go ahead and just have
your meltdown, like, I'm not going to make it any worse.
The ref took the high road and just let her
have that awful look on her face, screaming in her face.
So yeah, the ref looks like the one who took
the high road, and she looks like the one who
had the toddler meltdown.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
And Caitlin Clark was very above line, above counter, above board,
if you would to say, kept it cleaning the postgame,
but it was anything but clean what she was saying
to the ref Jason.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
It's like amateur whip reading and this is all over Twitter.
But give me an give me an effinge call, is
what she said. And she's two feet from her nose,
right f I got fouled five f in times. That's
what she said at the top of her voice, seemingly.
And then to your point, Dan, when she was given
(08:44):
a chance to like own it, you know, I lost
my cool. Maybe I shouldn't have been so forceful or violent.
She doubled down and said, yeah, you got to give
me the call on that, Like that was like classless.
You go back ten days. Remember it took her a
week to speak on camera in the wake of the
Alissa Thomas thing, and then everyone gave her credit for
(09:06):
everything she said, and in one of the things that
she said was we all have to do better. We
all have to do better in treating the officials. The
officials need to do better. The league needs to do
better in supporting the officials. And then this check gets
up and two inches from the from the ref's face,
give me an effing call and makes makes her look
(09:28):
like a fool. And to your point, the referee showed
amazing restraint in this moment.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I think, And it's Amanzi's point, which I think is fair,
and I hadn't really thought of that if she, you know,
she has given the technical, then the backlash is enormous.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
But I don't I don't know how it wouldn't be
warranted exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And so and then this ends up being every single
Caitlin Clark discussion that ever happens, is it goes to
the polar opposites of one side saying one thing and
one side saying other and not the actual issue at hand.
But this is something that Caitlyn Clark, not, to Jason's point,
doubling down when we bring up again, she has not
(10:08):
figured out a way to control her emotions. So then
last month again when I say that Kitlyn Clark isn't
innocent in all of this, I'm sorry. People don't love
cry babies when it calls, we hate it, we can't
stand it. Yeah, we hate floppers. I'm not saying that
Caitlin Clark is flopping, but these are things that can
get under your skin when you're watching the sport of basketball.
(10:28):
And if somebody's complaining to the ref every single time,
not only is it probably annoying to the rough, it's
annoying to those who watch the sport as well.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
Bo Knows chimes in and said, was it a ticky
tackie foul or a foul? This not calling major fouls
needs to stop. I have no issue with her overreacting,
and it's it's kind of just like it's Unfortunately for
Kitlyn Clark is she's on a different on a different platform.
(10:55):
The way I am going to look and criticize Caitlin
Clark is different than.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
The way I look at other WNBA players. And that's
what I mean.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
With the power that she has, she has a lot
of responsibility and in that moment, she has to know.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Like as frustrated as she is, she.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Can't act like that because it's not gonna help her
in any way, shape or form. Like, I get it,
it is not fair, I understand, But Kitlyn Clark, girl,
like I need you to go get a bat behind
closed doors and smash some dishes. After that happens, like,
let it out in a different way, because that is
not going to help you. I do think that if
the REF would have given her a tech, it would
(11:31):
have been one of those rare incidences where the conversation
about Kitlyn Clark is not polarizing because everybody would have
been like, yeah, she deserved it.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I don't think so. I think that I think it
would have just and I think that in the normal
world it would. But to her point, people only hear,
guess what, Kitlin Clark's been needing the quad five times?
All right, She's been needing the quad five times. The
third time I would have gone off on the ref.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
She waited.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
That's how the argument ends up dissolving into what most
Caitlyn Clark. There's always a reason on why something is justified,
no matter on what side that you're on or isn't justified.
That's what I think it ultimately would come down to.
And it's why, like the official in the matter, I
don't want to say, is in a no win situation.
(12:18):
But you know, in a way of not calling that foul,
I think it's more beneficial or calling that a technical foul,
it's more beneficial for what the referees are going through
at this time.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yes, in the.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Weird way of something that should obviously be a technical foul,
the ref doesn't make the right call and calling it,
but that actually works. That's the sort of bizarre world
that we are now dealing with in the WNBA.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
Her not calling the foul is really good for the
officiating argument, really bad for the discussion of Kaitlin Clark
and her antics against not getting the calls.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I think it's the opposite. I think not calling the
technical foul shows well, what if you're not going to
call her give her a tech on that? Who are
you giving text to Like? That's like, who are you
going to give a technical to?
Speaker 6 (13:11):
You?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
If a player runs up to you uses the F
word five times? I think that would be the overall
discussion about the WNBA. But if she gave a technical
last night, I think you have more of a hubbub
about it. So I think she did the right thing
and just swallowing the whistle and taking it. But ultimately
that's probably not if you're if you're by the book
official and you're a ref. I don't think that she
(13:34):
followed it, but I think that she made the right decision.
I know it's a little bit confusing, but I just
by not calling it. If she called it, to your point,
I think it would have been a bigger deal. But
you almost now every other player in the WNBA is like, well,
she and we go up to an official and say
the F word five times, they're better not give us
a tea because they share as heck than Caitlin Clark's.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
That's that's another good point. What's upsading?
Speaker 10 (13:58):
So the way you guys are discussing this, it's like
you're creating outrage fuel, like on either side whether it's
called or not called, or like, you can be outraged
that it wasn't called. You can be outraged that if
it was called. And I don't think this would even
matter that much. People wouldn't be talking about it if
she just wasn't. Like she's struggling, she's struggling to score
she's not been a factor for the team. When she's
(14:18):
on the court. They end up I think, losing more
than they do win. And like they're at home against
the Valkyries. I don't know if I can't remember if
they were a favored or not, but if she was
hitting five out of eight threes instead of one out
of eight and scoring twenty plus points, I can't remember
last time she said over twenty points. She's a non factor.
She's spinning her wheels this summer, and then this stuff
happens and it just makes everything look worse.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I want to say this, and Sam, you are exactly right,
and I think, Manzi, you and I inadvertently started to
go down the slippery slope of what ends up happening
to Sam's point of saying, and it's totally fine in
discussing it. The real point here, honestly, is Jason Stewart.
The real point in all of this is Jason Stewart,
(15:02):
who watched the WNBA with great passion when she came
into the league in her rookie year, and everything that
has happened to that point is now basically turns you
off of the game.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Like you're not as interested or rooting for Caitlin Clark.
It's now become not as enjoyable for you.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Is that fair?
Speaker 7 (15:22):
I would say it's really she makes it very difficult
to root for her nowadays. All the stuff, this attitude
in the antics. I loved about her in college because
she was just kicking ass and not taking names, and
she was like putting her fist in the air and
getting an opponent's faces. All this attitude stuff was so
appealing to her, and I think that's what kind of
(15:45):
created this popularity. Now she just looks like a whiny
ass little player and it's hard to root. And Sam's
point about her not being good, I'll go one more step.
She's not the phenom. She's not the star. Like, what's
the appeal of Caitlyn Clark's game right now? She doesn't
have those moments where you're like, oh man, that's that's
(16:08):
different than anything I've ever seen in women's mouth.
Speaker 10 (16:11):
She has some nifty passes and she'll do some spectacular
things during the game, but scoring and especially shooting threes
has really hit this.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
You know.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
It's really those local trees were what put her on the.
Speaker 10 (16:22):
Map, I know, and that's that's absent right now, and
again people would probably just ignore this, this officiating, you know,
her bumping heads to the officials. If she was scoring
twenty five a game, she's not. She's she's chipping in seven, ten,
twelve points a game. She's got she's always got like
a she's got a minus, a lot in the plus minus.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
She's got a lot of turnovers. Isn't like this.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
The point of it is that all of these arguments
end up going down the slippery slope, and that we
aren't like, we're not talking about we're talking again of
how Caitlin Clark is being treated compared to other players
in the NBA or how refs treat them, and we
aren't just talking about this right like. That's because the
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problem is everything can turn into something. But the fact
is that if she isn't playing well and isn't as
exciting to watch anymore, to Jason's point, that's not good
for the WNBA. And I think all the other stuff
that had happened, whether it be her injuries, whether what
happened to her the first year that she played in
the WNBA, all of those are reasons on why she
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or why this league isn't following that rocket ship that
it had when she entered the league two plus years ago.
And I think that's like probably the biggest issue, and
I don't know if we'll ever be able to talk
about it like that. I have no idea when we
had the Aaron Judge argument not to bring that up
and saying that I'm right or wrong about who's more popular.
(17:44):
But this was part of the conversation as well, of
does Caitlin Clark is she just flash in the pan
for that excitement of what she did in college? Would
she be able to keep that longevity? Aaron Judge is
injured now, not a great example, but I still think
that we would say that Aaron Judges the longevity of
being that face of baseball or one of the faces
of baseball. And now right now with Caitlyn Clark, it's
(18:07):
kind of iffy, right she's the face of the face
of controversy, and Kareem came, you know, out and had
the comments that he made whether she is or isn't
the face, but she was the face of the NBA
when she came into the league, and now there's just
everything that's been around it, and so that that fandom
and craziness about here. Again, she's not innocent in all
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of this, and the last night is a reason why
that maybe it's not as big as it once was.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Nothing with Caitlin Clark is logical.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
It's it's nothing of it ever since she stepped into
the WNBA, and it sucks. But like Sam just said,
it's one side or the other, and it's never the
stuff that matters, which is the logical stuff of how
she's playing. She's not playing well. Does it have to
do with injuries? Does it have to do because she's
beat up? Maybe, but she's not playing well and she
can you can see the frustration on the court with her.
(19:00):
And even if if things seem easy to discuss with her,
it's never going to be like that.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I don't know if that's going to change.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
I don't think it is. I don't think it is.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Are you too?
Speaker 5 (19:12):
You too?
Speaker 7 (19:13):
You and Sam are the noted Caitlyn Clark fans in
this building. Are you really big fans of her? Still?
Do you gravitate to her like you always have or
some of the stuff even kind of worn on your fandom?
Speaker 10 (19:28):
I'd say yes, yeah, I mean I'm still I still
look at her cumulative career, and I'm like, Wow, she
is amazing, and I still think she's battling for better officiating.
But when you have moments like that where you're so
frustrated that you cannot control like an ugly, you know,
appearance to come out, it's just hard.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
It's hard.
Speaker 10 (19:45):
And I don't want to be like a blind Caitlin
Clark fan, because, like Dan says, she's not innocent in
all this, and she she needs to work on herself.
She needs to work on playing better, shooting better, and
keeping her composure on the court.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Well, yeah, I'm with you, Sam.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
I think she I think she her career's not settled.
Her career's not settled. I just feel like this third
season is like this weird dream of like her first
three seasons sort of just combined, and it's like she's
just spinning her wheels this summer.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
My opinion of her hasn't changed, but I am definitely
like wondering how the game's gonna go. I'm like, oh,
fever playing, Let's see what kayln c Okayark.
Speaker 10 (20:24):
This game, she could have twenty five and nine assists,
or she could have like eight points and six assists
and just not be like an impact at all on
the on the on the game.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
But as Sam to wrap this up, because it is
only her third year and there is some feeling where
it doesn't feel like a thirty year. It kind of
feels clouded like it's been yeah, more than once changed,
but it feels like partificiating.
Speaker 10 (20:46):
People hate her or they love her. It's just the
same thing for three seasons now.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
I think she still is so early that she can
turn this around. Absolutely, This isn't it's not changing my
opinion completely of her.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
That I was wrong on Kaylen Clark, That's that's not it.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
But it is like I watch now games a little
bit like, please don't act the full, Please don't do this, Caitlin.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I would also say that your opinion is different because
you're not Iowa mont.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I am not Iowa Monts.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Because you're Iowa Sam, There's always going to be something
that you hold near and dear.
Speaker 10 (21:17):
But again, I don't want to beat sugarcoat things when
she is being a brat like I just don't. Ever,
that's just how I don't want to approach sports that
way because I think that's like to super fandom, and
so you have to be somewhat objective. She's being a
brat one day. That's something she needs to work on.
And I've seen her numbers. They're not good this year.
They've slipped a lot since the first, like ten games.
She's in a really bad stretch right now.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Yeah, it was a bad look last night.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
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Speaker 3 (21:52):
Now, this was last week, but Jerry Rice isn't in
the main coverage of this, so this wasn't It's not
like you saw this on NBC Peacock wherever it aired.
But someone had the video phone behind the tee box
and you could hear the voice in the background on
the on the t shot and yeah, Jerry, it wasn't
like Jerry went five yards. He went like forty to
fifty yards to track this guy down. It was I
(22:15):
love that, Yeah, it was it them.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
It was.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I give him credit because a lot of people who
go to golf tournaments are idiots, I'm just saying. And
some people who talk about how money is spent in
the NBA are idiots.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Oh oh, so much, so much so, and it's not
even just the NBA.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
I feel like there's other just athletes that have been
talking about money dan and I don't get what type
of sentiment they think they're gonna get.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
CJ.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
McCollum was on speaking with Forbes about his advice and
the life of spending money in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Here's what the veteran guard had to say.
Speaker 11 (22:56):
Let's say I was making two million dollars aff attases,
you know, let's call it n fifty ninety to seventy
agency fees, you know, four percent marketing, fifteen percent, Like
those checks were chopped down like I was living off
of like an energy drink deal. I was living off
like I had a twelve thousand dollars deal like to
just like get some post off and I lived off
of that.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
So that's CJ.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
McCollum explaining explaining on how some people and players when
they get to the NBA don't understand everything that costs
and how CJ. McCollum was able to work around the drastic,
drastic withdraws or how do I say it, the cuts
with taxes and whatnot expenses that these NBA players have
(23:39):
to have to endure with their NBA contracts, and one
NBA player.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Was not having it.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
One NBA player was not having it.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
But just to add to who else is saying, Odell
Beckham Junior was on the Pivot podcast. He had an
appearance and he basically broke down how one hundred million
dollar contract really is only eight million for him per year.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
So it's not just one athlete.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
It seems like a lot of athletes want to talk
about the money and how it's really not what it
sounds like.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
And I'm just like, who is this for?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Is this for? You?
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Guys should have your own little meetings with your own
athletes because the rest of us have no idea what
you're talking about. Twelve thousand dollars? Are you making that
a month? I wish I could make twelve thousand dollars
a month. I'd be chilling if I was making twelve
thousand dollars a month. You know what I'm saying, Who
is this for? And then there's somebody who I like
have kind of critiqued over the years on his fashion decisions,
(24:32):
mister Kyle Kuzma, who clearly likes to spend a little
bit of money because those fashion decisions that he makes
are terrible, but there doesn't mean that they're cheap. He
goes to fashion shows, he does the whole thing. Yesterday
he tweeted this not gonna lie. It's exhausting hearing athletes
break down how they're millions aren't really millions after taxes
and fees. Forty million after taxes is still forty million.
(24:52):
The real issue isn't the system, it's lifestyle creep. Nobody
told you to live like a king, buy five cars
or move with a ten person entourage.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Modest is allowed. Yes, Kyle Kuzma, thank you so much.
Who is this for? This breakdown of the money? Who
is it for?
Speaker 6 (25:09):
You're not helping me figure out how to break down
my money that I'm making because you and I live.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Different lives, So who is this for?
Speaker 6 (25:15):
And it's just kind of like, I can't I can't
believe so many of these athletes. I feel like even
Jalen Brown recently was talking about money and and agents
and how much they get in all that, and it's like,
the way athletes make money is like, so it is
a very small percentage of people that understand this. So
when you tell me that your millions aren't millions. I'm
(25:35):
gonna throw up.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
I remember the first time that I got a paycheck
and I had the same reaction, and it was obviously
not forty million dollars. But I think anybody at any
level that doesn't understand the process is going to have
that reaction. That's why it's so crucial that veteran players,
and you see this a lot more with the with
the NFL. I would assume that the NBA does it
(25:59):
to let these players know and give them a heads up. Now,
if they want to hear the message and not listen
and then do their own thing, that's their own problem.
But like this, this happens to everybody in not realizing
what actually happens when you sign up and are working,
whether it be at the NBA or whether it be
at the ironworks factory that I started working at in
(26:20):
high school summers and seeing, oh my goodness, or at
the truck stop, Oh wait a sec, I worked forty
hours last week? How do I only like, that's the
realization of when your paycheck is cut in half, then
throw onto it all of the cars and the parties
and the staff that Kyle.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Kuzma is talking about.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
You don't have to do You.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Don't have to do it. But I don't think that
people know. And that's why it's that's why it's important
for those other NBA players and those other NFL players
to let in Major League Baseball, to let these people
know exactly where your money is going to go when
you're having those rookie symposiums and whatnot. But yeah, I'm
sick of hearing people complain. Gronk Kid talked about how
(27:04):
throughout his life he never played off, never spent a
dollar of his salary because he had endorsement deals. But
guess what not everybody has endorsement deals right now. Everybody
has endorsement deals like CJ. McCollum has. There are guys
who this is honestly, they're gonna get three mega years
of a paycheck in their career and that's probably it.
Like the NFL lifespan of playing in the NFL is
(27:26):
three to four years, So how do you take that
contract and not live three to four years? How do
you take that contract and live the next ten years
or fifteen years after that? And that's the other problem
that I don't think people understand.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Sure, but it's like you being an athlete pursuing this.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
If you came from nothing and you got a major contract,
you have to prep for the future. You can't go
in there thinking like I'm invincible and now I'm gonna
I have an infinite amount of money. And I don't
understand the logic in that, because even like you just said,
we all experienced our paycheck being not what we thought.
Because what is a Rachel saying, friends, who's Fika? Why
(28:02):
does he get all my money? Yeah, like I get that,
Why does somebody else get all my money? But to
say I'm not over here over spending because of the
money that I have. And so I feel like Kyle
Kuzma really just put it in a perspective where it's
like nobody told you to do all of these extravagant things.
To say that you cannot live a great life with
a great lifestyle would be a lie. You don't have
(28:24):
to move the way that Who are you moving like
that for? With your yachts and your cars and all
of this. Trust mean, you can you have several nice cars,
but who are you trying to impress?
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Well, your buddies great, are they.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Gonna help you when you don't have money? In five years.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
No, that's but that's who I'm talking That's what I'm
talking about. These like the athletes need the leadership from
other athletes to understand the process. There's there are athletes
who will sign their rookie deal and feel that they're
going to get paid that amount for the next fifteen years.
I don't worry about twenty years done. When they're eighteen
and nineteen, they have no idea on what it's like.
(29:00):
And it's just the point of even if you're twenty
one and twenty two and entering the National Football League,
you can get to the age of twenty six and
the biggest paychecks of your life.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Are now gone. They're in the rear view mirror.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And if you have nothing to show for that or
for those three years that you gave up your body
to do what you did, Yeah, guy's got to be smarter.
It's I'm glad Kuzma spoke up because not everybody is
like CJ. McCollum, and he's on Forbes talking about how
he made his money and how he was able to
(29:31):
maneuver it and be smart about it. But I think
that he's more of the exception, especially when it comes
to being able to live on outside endorsements and other things.
If you are trying to live that modest life that
Kyle Kusma's talking about.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
And the modest life that KYLEA. Kusma's talking about is
not a.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Modest life, no, correct.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
He's you know what I'm saying, like he's using that word,
but in reality, it's like you are living better than
most people, and he's just saying you could live that.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Type of modest life, but it's not really a modest life.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
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(31:14):
your leader, but Daniel Brown is one of two players
just to shot back of the lead Monti and he
had this to say about his smoking habit when speaking
with reporters after his round today.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
I believe you're partial to a cigarette when you're out
on the fairway.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Given the conditions at the moment, as anybody said anything
to you, you're still allowed to have.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
A smoke while you're out there? Or are you at
a fire risk? Being told otherwise?
Speaker 10 (31:36):
But I've been making sure that they're out.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Brown said he smoked seven or eight cigarettes to keep
his stress level down in the first round today, and
if the course dries out by Sunday could be a
fire hazard like much of America is right now, So
look out for those heaters. Do you ever think about
smoking on the golf course?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
No, I'm good, I'm good. I've never smoked a cigarettes,
so I would not know.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
And Stuart and I are going to hit the golf
course in a little bit.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I don't think.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
No, that's probably not. No, not when we're on Lebron
Watch twenty.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Watch twenty twenty six, watch.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Watching Lebron James's every move and Jason Stewart has been
watching Lebron Watch as well.
Speaker 7 (32:18):
Yeah. I threw this bit out earlier in the week
and it was crickets. Nobody responded or cared. I tried
it again this morning because I think this like very
much like encapsulates. Is that the word my sense of humor?
Let's do what's in the lebron Watch twenty six sound effect?
Lebron Watched twenty six and here's how the bit goes.
(32:39):
And I want Isaac and vallved too because he could
be very uh.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Play the stager?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah, yeah, did you want that?
Speaker 7 (32:46):
No, see that's different. That's a stager for a segment
one and that stage are kind of ruined this bit,
but I'll get I'll have an off air conversation with
Sam about that. Now that we're on the air. What
does lebron Watch twenty six look like? I think that
the lebron Watch twenty six, if you buy one, you're
getting something that exaggerates the time. Often it doesn't necessarily
(33:08):
lie to you, but it just exaggerates the time for
no reason. I also think that the lebron Watched twenty six,
it's not like it comes with the watch. You are
compelled to if you buy lebron Watch twenty six, you
have to buy the Bronnie watch along with the lebron
Watch twenty six. Any other characteristics that you guys have,
(33:30):
because I have plenty.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Yeah, you can't take it off.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
You can't take it off.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Now it just continues to show up year after year.
After year after year, it just does not stop. You
can't take it off.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
It just keeps going on and on and on and on.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Maybe you could take it off after twenty five years.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
We'll see, We'll see, Yeah, we'll see. Maybe maybe.
Speaker 9 (33:54):
Another interesting hallmark is that you have to run every
thing photoshopped AI scam about Lebron to ground in case
it's accurate. Literally, fifteen minutes ago, I was checking and
had to debunk a rumor that Lebron's daughter her name
(34:16):
appeared on the enrollment of a private school in the
Philadelphia area. So I literally had to be like, okay, is.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
It the birthdate?
Speaker 9 (34:23):
And I literally had to run the thread to ground
to find out that it was actually AI and photoshop.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
So that comes with the Lebron watch.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
It well, that's a complicated thing that comes with a
watch in the box. Only rich people know this. But Rolexes,
the high end rolllexes come with Godfather quotes. Lebron watched
twenty six doesn't know any quotes, even though even though
the watch has seen the movie six times in the
last six weeks.
Speaker 9 (34:50):
By the way, was that a humble brag there about
knowing what comes on rolexes?
Speaker 7 (34:54):
Yes, only rich people.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
What did you say about the time. You said it
was because exigertd Well I had heard. I'd heard it's
three hours ahead, because he can see things coming that
haven't happened, like he knew about Kobe's eighty one point
game before it happened, just by watching him in warm ups.
So this watch, it may be almost five o'clock on
(35:16):
the East coast, the Lebron watch would say eight o'clock,
because he knows what's going to happen.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
By the way, Big Miku doesn't run anything around here.
The very mature entry today Lebron watched twenty six is bald.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
See uh, he's bald all right, And I'm on vacation
in six months to fifty.
Speaker 11 (35:38):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
A happy Thursday to you play wrapping up at Royal Birkdale.
So one day in the books and our final golf
major of the year. You know I'm interested in that.
I'm also interested in going on vacation.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
You're so close, so close, so close, but you need.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
To pack so close by the way an hour in.
No one here has wished me a happy half birthday.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yet oh happy at birthday, that's right. I mean, I
knew it was coming. I said it two days ago.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
My wife forgot.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
She called me on my way into work today, No, no,
I sorry this morning, and I left the house by
and then she's like, oh my gosh, I forgot it's
your half birthday. Because she married the one person in
the world who still talks about half birthdays well into
their forties. Well into their fortes, so.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
You better celebrate her half birthday.
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Yes, okay, it is It was in May.
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Speaker 3 (01:26):
Want to reach us eight seven seven nine nine on Fox,
that's eight seven seven nine one six six three sixty nine.
But like Lebron James, we're only going to take questions
from planted eleven year old kids, So those are the
only calls that we are taking today. Jason Stewart, it
is my half birthday. How are you?
Speaker 7 (01:44):
No? I knew it was your half birthday. I've been
planning on this. This is why I wanted to take
you golfing today. So today after the show, we're going
to play golf for your half birthday. He did say,
your plans for the entire time.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Golf, and we may play half of eighteen holes because
it is so freaking.
Speaker 8 (01:58):
Hodays are crazy nine holes half of eight too, But
but it's hot everywhere. Yeah, it is hot, and it
was hot last night at gain bridgefield House, or at
least somebody was hot.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
And that's one Caitlyn Clark. Boy, was she mad?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Mancy Belanos and that game against the Golden State Valkyries.
In fact, Caitlin Clark talked about the exchange after the
game that she had with the referee that went viral
on social media.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Killy game, take me through that second quarter play with
soakes that in.
Speaker 9 (02:32):
The claude like that hurts, like the ref campus that
and then I have to play with a contusion in
my life the rest of the game.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
It's ridiculous Campus.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Now, I don't shoot the messenger because whenever we talk
about Caitlin Clark, the messenger is always attacked. But remember
a couple of weeks ago when the whole Alyssa Thomas
situation came out and we did a clip Like many
up sun Fox Sports Radio, when you talk about Kaitlyn Clark,
(03:03):
it grabs a lot of attention. But my point was
that Caitlin Clark isn't innocent in all of this, and
what happened last night in what you saw last night
in that clip was one of the things that I
was talking about in all this. Now, the other part
was the taunting on the free throw miss and other things,
(03:24):
and just players going after players, and you'd get a
lot of comments of, well, a fist to the neck
isn't the same as taunting. Someone agreed, agreed with that,
but don't make it seem like Caitlyn Clark is little
miss angel done nothing wrong. This has actually been an
issue with Caitlin Clark throughout her career, so much so
(03:48):
I think ESPN had a special camera just for her
dad because he would be telling her during games, calm down,
let it go, stop complaining that sort of thing. And
last night wasn't a great look for Kaitlin Clark.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
It really was not. I love Kaitlyn Clark.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
I think she is great, and I do believe that
she has had a rough time in the WNBA and
that it's been unfair treatment of Kaitlin Clark one hundred percent.
But last night, the way she reacted after that was
just like, girl.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
You cannot do that.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
I understand that life has been unfair for you in
the WNBA. I understand that they have missed call after
call after call. I understand that the officiating in the
WNBA is a joke. I understand that you feel like
you have a target on your back. I understand all that.
But with great power comes great responsibility, and your responsibility
(04:45):
in that.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Moment is to keep your cool and not act like that.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
And that was I think an extreme built up frustration
for her, letting it out rite like it's spilled over.
She had been trying to maybe hold it in this
entire time. I really get all that. I feel bad
because she looks so bad in that clip. She looked
like such a brat. There's no way to deny it
in that clip, and it's just kind of like it's
unfair that you are now going to be criticized. I
(05:12):
get all that, but it's because of what comes with
the power that you have as Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
You can't act like that. You almost have to be
you almost have to always always.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Be on your best behavior, even there, even though there
are times that it is justified for you to act out.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
And I don't disagree with that, and I would say
that in this specific instance, Manzi, instead of being on twelve,
turn it down to five, right like the referee showed
magnificent restraint in not teeing her up. And I actually,
if we want to get to the real nuts and
bolts of it, the look is awful and you're one
(05:54):
hundred percent right. I think the worst part is the
doubling down in the postgame press conference. There's already this
thought process of the WNBA and the referees being poor,
and when you double down the way that you do
and say what you said and yeah, I got needed
in the thigh. How could you miss that? Reffs miss
(06:14):
a lot of calls, That's probably why they missed it.
And if you would have seen the way that she responded,
and at one point she wasn't trying to headbutt, but
she moved her head.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Forward in a.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Aggressive nature toward the official that if you were in
the NBA automatic tea possibly being tossed. And she didn't
get anything for this, and so like in this instance,
not only is she wrong, like we actually have to
give the WNBA official credit for understanding the situation and
(06:46):
holding back, because then if you tear up, then it
becomes another complete different.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Fire story, right right, And that's almost worse for Caitlin Clark,
the fact that the ref didn't do that, because now
everybody so yes, because I think that everybody wants to
criticize Caitlin Clark. They can say she gets to be
a brat and they didn't give her a technical You
get that angle of it is gonna come out.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Sure, yeah, I can see that. I can see that.
I don't I think there's more on what the I
just I just I give the official credit. And like
in the terms that you're saying it, like maybe I
shouldn't have given the official credit. But in a way
of everybody saying that Caitlyn Clark is being you know,
(07:31):
ruled or officiated unfairly, here's an instance where it's only
about Caitlyn Clark, right, it's not about anybody else. And
they were like, okay, well we didn't tee you up.
So like in that sort of way, I understand the
firestorm that would build up as well. But there's more
to it. There's I know Jason Stewart wants to get
to the lip reading aspect of it and what exactly
Caitlin Clark said, But Iowa, Sam you want in.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
I totally agree with you.
Speaker 10 (07:54):
Guys, Like the ref in this instance is like allowing
the toddler to have the go ahead and just have
your meltdown, like, I'm not going to make it any worse.
The ref took the high road and just let her
have that awful look on her face, screaming in her face.
So yeah, the ref looks like the one who took
the high road, and she looks like the one who
had the toddler meltdown.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
And Caitlin Clark was very above line, above counter, above board,
if you would to say, kept it cleaning the postgame,
but it was anything but clean what she was saying
to the ref Jason.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
It's like amateur whip reading and this is all over Twitter.
But give me an give me an effinge call, is
what she said. And she's two feet from her nose,
right f I got fouled five f in times. That's
what she said at the top of her voice, seemingly.
And then to your point, Dan, when she was given
(08:44):
a chance to like own it, you know, I lost
my cool. Maybe I shouldn't have been so forceful or violent.
She doubled down and said, yeah, you got to give
me the call on that, Like that was like classless.
You go back ten days. Remember it took her a
week to speak on camera in the wake of the
Alissa Thomas thing, and then everyone gave her credit for
(09:06):
everything she said, and in one of the things that
she said was we all have to do better. We
all have to do better in treating the officials. The
officials need to do better. The league needs to do
better in supporting the officials. And then this check gets
up and two inches from the from the ref's face,
give me an effing call and makes makes her look
(09:28):
like a fool. And to your point, the referee showed
amazing restraint in this moment.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I think, And it's Amanzi's point, which I think is fair,
and I hadn't really thought of that if she, you know,
she has given the technical, then the backlash is enormous.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
But I don't I don't know how it wouldn't be
warranted exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And so and then this ends up being every single
Caitlin Clark discussion that ever happens, is it goes to
the polar opposites of one side saying one thing and
one side saying other and not the actual issue at hand.
But this is something that Caitlyn Clark, not, to Jason's point,
doubling down when we bring up again, she has not
(10:08):
figured out a way to control her emotions. So then
last month again when I say that Kitlyn Clark isn't
innocent in all of this, I'm sorry. People don't love
cry babies when it calls, we hate it, we can't
stand it. Yeah, we hate floppers. I'm not saying that
Caitlin Clark is flopping, but these are things that can
get under your skin when you're watching the sport of basketball.
(10:28):
And if somebody's complaining to the ref every single time,
not only is it probably annoying to the rough, it's
annoying to those who watch the sport as well.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
Bo Knows chimes in and said, was it a ticky
tackie foul or a foul? This not calling major fouls
needs to stop. I have no issue with her overreacting,
and it's it's kind of just like it's Unfortunately for
Kitlyn Clark is she's on a different on a different platform.
(10:55):
The way I am going to look and criticize Caitlin
Clark is different than.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
The way I look at other WNBA players. And that's
what I mean.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
With the power that she has, she has a lot
of responsibility and in that moment, she has to know.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Like as frustrated as she is, she.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Can't act like that because it's not gonna help her
in any way, shape or form. Like, I get it,
it is not fair, I understand, But Kitlyn Clark, girl,
like I need you to go get a bat behind
closed doors and smash some dishes. After that happens, like,
let it out in a different way, because that is
not going to help you. I do think that if
the REF would have given her a tech, it would
(11:31):
have been one of those rare incidences where the conversation
about Kitlyn Clark is not polarizing because everybody would have
been like, yeah, she deserved it.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I don't think so. I think that I think it
would have just and I think that in the normal
world it would. But to her point, people only hear,
guess what, Kitlin Clark's been needing the quad five times?
All right, She's been needing the quad five times. The
third time I would have gone off on the ref.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
She waited.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
That's how the argument ends up dissolving into what most
Caitlyn Clark. There's always a reason on why something is justified,
no matter on what side that you're on or isn't justified.
That's what I think it ultimately would come down to.
And it's why, like the official in the matter, I
don't want to say, is in a no win situation.
(12:18):
But you know, in a way of not calling that foul,
I think it's more beneficial or calling that a technical foul,
it's more beneficial for what the referees are going through
at this time.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yes, in the.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Weird way of something that should obviously be a technical foul,
the ref doesn't make the right call and calling it,
but that actually works. That's the sort of bizarre world
that we are now dealing with in the WNBA.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
Her not calling the foul is really good for the
officiating argument, really bad for the discussion of Kaitlin Clark
and her antics against not getting the calls.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I think it's the opposite. I think not calling the
technical foul shows well, what if you're not going to
call her give her a tech on that? Who are
you giving text to Like? That's like, who are you
going to give a technical to?
Speaker 6 (13:11):
You?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
If a player runs up to you uses the F
word five times? I think that would be the overall
discussion about the WNBA. But if she gave a technical
last night, I think you have more of a hubbub
about it. So I think she did the right thing
and just swallowing the whistle and taking it. But ultimately
that's probably not if you're if you're by the book
official and you're a ref. I don't think that she
(13:34):
followed it, but I think that she made the right decision.
I know it's a little bit confusing, but I just
by not calling it. If she called it, to your point,
I think it would have been a bigger deal. But
you almost now every other player in the WNBA is like, well,
she and we go up to an official and say
the F word five times, they're better not give us
a tea because they share as heck than Caitlin Clark's.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
That's that's another good point. What's upsading?
Speaker 10 (13:58):
So the way you guys are discussing this, it's like
you're creating outrage fuel, like on either side whether it's
called or not called, or like, you can be outraged
that it wasn't called. You can be outraged that if
it was called. And I don't think this would even
matter that much. People wouldn't be talking about it if
she just wasn't. Like she's struggling, she's struggling to score
she's not been a factor for the team. When she's
(14:18):
on the court. They end up I think, losing more
than they do win. And like they're at home against
the Valkyries. I don't know if I can't remember if
they were a favored or not, but if she was
hitting five out of eight threes instead of one out
of eight and scoring twenty plus points, I can't remember
last time she said over twenty points. She's a non factor.
She's spinning her wheels this summer, and then this stuff
happens and it just makes everything look worse.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I want to say this, and Sam, you are exactly right,
and I think, Manzi, you and I inadvertently started to
go down the slippery slope of what ends up happening
to Sam's point of saying, and it's totally fine in
discussing it. The real point here, honestly, is Jason Stewart.
The real point in all of this is Jason Stewart,
(15:02):
who watched the WNBA with great passion when she came
into the league in her rookie year, and everything that
has happened to that point is now basically turns you
off of the game.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Like you're not as interested or rooting for Caitlin Clark.
It's now become not as enjoyable for you.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Is that fair?
Speaker 7 (15:22):
I would say it's really she makes it very difficult
to root for her nowadays. All the stuff, this attitude
in the antics. I loved about her in college because
she was just kicking ass and not taking names, and
she was like putting her fist in the air and
getting an opponent's faces. All this attitude stuff was so
appealing to her, and I think that's what kind of
(15:45):
created this popularity. Now she just looks like a whiny
ass little player and it's hard to root. And Sam's
point about her not being good, I'll go one more step.
She's not the phenom. She's not the star. Like, what's
the appeal of Caitlyn Clark's game right now? She doesn't
have those moments where you're like, oh man, that's that's
(16:08):
different than anything I've ever seen in women's mouth.
Speaker 10 (16:11):
She has some nifty passes and she'll do some spectacular
things during the game, but scoring and especially shooting threes
has really hit this.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
You know.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
It's really those local trees were what put her on the.
Speaker 10 (16:22):
Map, I know, and that's that's absent right now, and
again people would probably just ignore this, this officiating, you know,
her bumping heads to the officials. If she was scoring
twenty five a game, she's not. She's she's chipping in seven, ten,
twelve points a game. She's got she's always got like
a she's got a minus, a lot in the plus minus.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
She's got a lot of turnovers. Isn't like this.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
The point of it is that all of these arguments
end up going down the slippery slope, and that we
aren't like, we're not talking about we're talking again of
how Caitlin Clark is being treated compared to other players
in the NBA or how refs treat them, and we
aren't just talking about this right like. That's because the
(17:02):
problem is everything can turn into something. But the fact
is that if she isn't playing well and isn't as
exciting to watch anymore, to Jason's point, that's not good
for the WNBA. And I think all the other stuff
that had happened, whether it be her injuries, whether what
happened to her the first year that she played in
the WNBA, all of those are reasons on why she
(17:22):
or why this league isn't following that rocket ship that
it had when she entered the league two plus years ago.
And I think that's like probably the biggest issue, and
I don't know if we'll ever be able to talk
about it like that. I have no idea when we
had the Aaron Judge argument not to bring that up
and saying that I'm right or wrong about who's more popular.
(17:44):
But this was part of the conversation as well, of
does Caitlin Clark is she just flash in the pan
for that excitement of what she did in college? Would
she be able to keep that longevity? Aaron Judge is
injured now, not a great example, but I still think
that we would say that Aaron Judges the longevity of
being that face of baseball or one of the faces
of baseball. And now right now with Caitlyn Clark, it's
(18:07):
kind of iffy, right she's the face of the face
of controversy, and Kareem came, you know, out and had
the comments that he made whether she is or isn't
the face, but she was the face of the NBA
when she came into the league, and now there's just
everything that's been around it, and so that that fandom
and craziness about here. Again, she's not innocent in all
(18:30):
of this, and the last night is a reason why
that maybe it's not as big as it once was.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Nothing with Caitlin Clark is logical.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
It's it's nothing of it ever since she stepped into
the WNBA, and it sucks. But like Sam just said,
it's one side or the other, and it's never the
stuff that matters, which is the logical stuff of how
she's playing. She's not playing well. Does it have to
do with injuries? Does it have to do because she's
beat up? Maybe, but she's not playing well and she
can you can see the frustration on the court with her.
(19:00):
And even if if things seem easy to discuss with her,
it's never going to be like that.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I don't know if that's going to change.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
I don't think it is. I don't think it is.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Are you too?
Speaker 5 (19:12):
You too?
Speaker 7 (19:13):
You and Sam are the noted Caitlyn Clark fans in
this building. Are you really big fans of her? Still?
Do you gravitate to her like you always have or
some of the stuff even kind of worn on your fandom?
Speaker 10 (19:28):
I'd say yes, yeah, I mean I'm still I still
look at her cumulative career, and I'm like, Wow, she
is amazing, and I still think she's battling for better officiating.
But when you have moments like that where you're so
frustrated that you cannot control like an ugly, you know,
appearance to come out, it's just hard.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
It's hard.
Speaker 10 (19:45):
And I don't want to be like a blind Caitlin
Clark fan, because, like Dan says, she's not innocent in
all this, and she she needs to work on herself.
She needs to work on playing better, shooting better, and
keeping her composure on the court.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Well, yeah, I'm with you, Sam.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
I think she I think she her career's not settled.
Her career's not settled. I just feel like this third
season is like this weird dream of like her first
three seasons sort of just combined, and it's like she's
just spinning her wheels this summer.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
My opinion of her hasn't changed, but I am definitely
like wondering how the game's gonna go. I'm like, oh,
fever playing, Let's see what kayln c Okayark.
Speaker 10 (20:24):
This game, she could have twenty five and nine assists,
or she could have like eight points and six assists
and just not be like an impact at all on
the on the on the game.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
But as Sam to wrap this up, because it is
only her third year and there is some feeling where
it doesn't feel like a thirty year. It kind of
feels clouded like it's been yeah, more than once changed,
but it feels like partificiating.
Speaker 10 (20:46):
People hate her or they love her. It's just the
same thing for three seasons now.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
I think she still is so early that she can
turn this around. Absolutely, This isn't it's not changing my
opinion completely of her.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
That I was wrong on Kaylen Clark, That's that's not it.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
But it is like I watch now games a little
bit like, please don't act the full, Please don't do this, Caitlin.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I would also say that your opinion is different because
you're not Iowa mont.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I am not Iowa Monts.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Because you're Iowa Sam, There's always going to be something
that you hold near and dear.
Speaker 10 (21:17):
But again, I don't want to beat sugarcoat things when
she is being a brat like I just don't. Ever,
that's just how I don't want to approach sports that
way because I think that's like to super fandom, and
so you have to be somewhat objective. She's being a
brat one day. That's something she needs to work on.
And I've seen her numbers. They're not good this year.
They've slipped a lot since the first, like ten games.
She's in a really bad stretch right now.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Yeah, it was a bad look last night.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
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Speaker 3 (21:52):
Now, this was last week, but Jerry Rice isn't in
the main coverage of this, so this wasn't It's not
like you saw this on NBC Peacock wherever it aired.
But someone had the video phone behind the tee box
and you could hear the voice in the background on
the on the t shot and yeah, Jerry, it wasn't
like Jerry went five yards. He went like forty to
fifty yards to track this guy down. It was I
(22:15):
love that, Yeah, it was it them.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
It was.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I give him credit because a lot of people who
go to golf tournaments are idiots, I'm just saying. And
some people who talk about how money is spent in
the NBA are idiots.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Oh oh, so much, so much so, and it's not
even just the NBA.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
I feel like there's other just athletes that have been
talking about money dan and I don't get what type
of sentiment they think they're gonna get.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
CJ.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
McCollum was on speaking with Forbes about his advice and
the life of spending money in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Here's what the veteran guard had to say.
Speaker 11 (22:56):
Let's say I was making two million dollars aff attases,
you know, let's call it n fifty ninety to seventy
agency fees, you know, four percent marketing, fifteen percent, Like
those checks were chopped down like I was living off
of like an energy drink deal. I was living off
like I had a twelve thousand dollars deal like to
just like get some post off and I lived off
of that.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
So that's CJ.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
McCollum explaining explaining on how some people and players when
they get to the NBA don't understand everything that costs
and how CJ. McCollum was able to work around the drastic,
drastic withdraws or how do I say it, the cuts
with taxes and whatnot expenses that these NBA players have
(23:39):
to have to endure with their NBA contracts, and one
NBA player.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Was not having it.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
One NBA player was not having it.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
But just to add to who else is saying, Odell
Beckham Junior was on the Pivot podcast. He had an
appearance and he basically broke down how one hundred million
dollar contract really is only eight million for him per year.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
So it's not just one athlete.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
It seems like a lot of athletes want to talk
about the money and how it's really not what it
sounds like.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
And I'm just like, who is this for?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Is this for? You?
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Guys should have your own little meetings with your own
athletes because the rest of us have no idea what
you're talking about. Twelve thousand dollars? Are you making that
a month? I wish I could make twelve thousand dollars
a month. I'd be chilling if I was making twelve
thousand dollars a month. You know what I'm saying, Who
is this for? And then there's somebody who I like
have kind of critiqued over the years on his fashion decisions,
(24:32):
mister Kyle Kuzma, who clearly likes to spend a little
bit of money because those fashion decisions that he makes
are terrible, but there doesn't mean that they're cheap. He
goes to fashion shows, he does the whole thing. Yesterday
he tweeted this not gonna lie. It's exhausting hearing athletes
break down how they're millions aren't really millions after taxes
and fees. Forty million after taxes is still forty million.
(24:52):
The real issue isn't the system, it's lifestyle creep. Nobody
told you to live like a king, buy five cars
or move with a ten person entourage.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Modest is allowed. Yes, Kyle Kuzma, thank you so much.
Who is this for? This breakdown of the money? Who
is it for?
Speaker 6 (25:09):
You're not helping me figure out how to break down
my money that I'm making because you and I live.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Different lives, So who is this for?
Speaker 6 (25:15):
And it's just kind of like, I can't I can't
believe so many of these athletes. I feel like even
Jalen Brown recently was talking about money and and agents
and how much they get in all that, and it's like,
the way athletes make money is like, so it is
a very small percentage of people that understand this. So
when you tell me that your millions aren't millions. I'm
(25:35):
gonna throw up.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
I remember the first time that I got a paycheck
and I had the same reaction, and it was obviously
not forty million dollars. But I think anybody at any
level that doesn't understand the process is going to have
that reaction. That's why it's so crucial that veteran players,
and you see this a lot more with the with
the NFL. I would assume that the NBA does it
(25:59):
to let these players know and give them a heads up. Now,
if they want to hear the message and not listen
and then do their own thing, that's their own problem.
But like this, this happens to everybody in not realizing
what actually happens when you sign up and are working,
whether it be at the NBA or whether it be
at the ironworks factory that I started working at in
(26:20):
high school summers and seeing, oh my goodness, or at
the truck stop, Oh wait a sec, I worked forty
hours last week? How do I only like, that's the
realization of when your paycheck is cut in half, then
throw onto it all of the cars and the parties
and the staff that Kyle.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Kuzma is talking about.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
You don't have to do You.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Don't have to do it. But I don't think that
people know. And that's why it's that's why it's important
for those other NBA players and those other NFL players
to let in Major League Baseball, to let these people
know exactly where your money is going to go when
you're having those rookie symposiums and whatnot. But yeah, I'm
sick of hearing people complain. Gronk Kid talked about how
(27:04):
throughout his life he never played off, never spent a
dollar of his salary because he had endorsement deals. But
guess what not everybody has endorsement deals right now. Everybody
has endorsement deals like CJ. McCollum has. There are guys
who this is honestly, they're gonna get three mega years
of a paycheck in their career and that's probably it.
Like the NFL lifespan of playing in the NFL is
(27:26):
three to four years, So how do you take that
contract and not live three to four years? How do
you take that contract and live the next ten years
or fifteen years after that? And that's the other problem
that I don't think people understand.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Sure, but it's like you being an athlete pursuing this.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
If you came from nothing and you got a major contract,
you have to prep for the future. You can't go
in there thinking like I'm invincible and now I'm gonna
I have an infinite amount of money. And I don't
understand the logic in that, because even like you just said,
we all experienced our paycheck being not what we thought.
Because what is a Rachel saying, friends, who's Fika? Why
(28:02):
does he get all my money? Yeah, like I get that,
Why does somebody else get all my money? But to
say I'm not over here over spending because of the
money that I have. And so I feel like Kyle
Kuzma really just put it in a perspective where it's
like nobody told you to do all of these extravagant things.
To say that you cannot live a great life with
a great lifestyle would be a lie. You don't have
(28:24):
to move the way that Who are you moving like
that for? With your yachts and your cars and all
of this. Trust mean, you can you have several nice cars,
but who are you trying to impress?
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Well, your buddies great, are they.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Gonna help you when you don't have money? In five years.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
No, that's but that's who I'm talking That's what I'm
talking about. These like the athletes need the leadership from
other athletes to understand the process. There's there are athletes
who will sign their rookie deal and feel that they're
going to get paid that amount for the next fifteen years.
I don't worry about twenty years done. When they're eighteen
and nineteen, they have no idea on what it's like.
(29:00):
And it's just the point of even if you're twenty
one and twenty two and entering the National Football League,
you can get to the age of twenty six and
the biggest paychecks of your life.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Are now gone. They're in the rear view mirror.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And if you have nothing to show for that or
for those three years that you gave up your body
to do what you did, Yeah, guy's got to be smarter.
It's I'm glad Kuzma spoke up because not everybody is
like CJ. McCollum, and he's on Forbes talking about how
he made his money and how he was able to
(29:31):
maneuver it and be smart about it. But I think
that he's more of the exception, especially when it comes
to being able to live on outside endorsements and other things.
If you are trying to live that modest life that
Kyle Kusma's talking about.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
And the modest life that KYLEA. Kusma's talking about is
not a.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Modest life, no, correct.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
He's you know what I'm saying, like he's using that word,
but in reality, it's like you are living better than
most people, and he's just saying you could live that.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Type of modest life, but it's not really a modest life.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
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up at the Open Championship. Just a group or two
still on the course at Royal Birkdale. Jackson Suber is
(31:14):
your leader, but Daniel Brown is one of two players
just to shot back of the lead Monti and he
had this to say about his smoking habit when speaking
with reporters after his round today.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
I believe you're partial to a cigarette when you're out
on the fairway.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Given the conditions at the moment, as anybody said anything
to you, you're still allowed to have.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
A smoke while you're out there? Or are you at
a fire risk? Being told otherwise?
Speaker 10 (31:36):
But I've been making sure that they're out.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Brown said he smoked seven or eight cigarettes to keep
his stress level down in the first round today, and
if the course dries out by Sunday could be a
fire hazard like much of America is right now, So
look out for those heaters. Do you ever think about
smoking on the golf course?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
No, I'm good, I'm good. I've never smoked a cigarettes,
so I would not know.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
And Stuart and I are going to hit the golf
course in a little bit.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I don't think.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
No, that's probably not. No, not when we're on Lebron
Watch twenty.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Watch twenty twenty six, watch.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Watching Lebron James's every move and Jason Stewart has been
watching Lebron Watch as well.
Speaker 7 (32:18):
Yeah. I threw this bit out earlier in the week
and it was crickets. Nobody responded or cared. I tried
it again this morning because I think this like very
much like encapsulates. Is that the word my sense of humor?
Let's do what's in the lebron Watch twenty six sound effect?
Lebron Watched twenty six and here's how the bit goes.
(32:39):
And I want Isaac and vallved too because he could
be very uh.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Play the stager?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah, yeah, did you want that?
Speaker 7 (32:46):
No, see that's different. That's a stager for a segment
one and that stage are kind of ruined this bit,
but I'll get I'll have an off air conversation with
Sam about that. Now that we're on the air. What
does lebron Watch twenty six look like? I think that
the lebron Watch twenty six, if you buy one, you're
getting something that exaggerates the time. Often it doesn't necessarily
(33:08):
lie to you, but it just exaggerates the time for
no reason. I also think that the lebron Watched twenty six,
it's not like it comes with the watch. You are
compelled to if you buy lebron Watch twenty six, you
have to buy the Bronnie watch along with the lebron
Watch twenty six. Any other characteristics that you guys have,
(33:30):
because I have plenty.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Yeah, you can't take it off.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
You can't take it off.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Now it just continues to show up year after year.
After year after year, it just does not stop. You
can't take it off.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
It just keeps going on and on and on and on.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Maybe you could take it off after twenty five years.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
We'll see, We'll see, Yeah, we'll see. Maybe maybe.
Speaker 9 (33:54):
Another interesting hallmark is that you have to run every
thing photoshopped AI scam about Lebron to ground in case
it's accurate. Literally, fifteen minutes ago, I was checking and
had to debunk a rumor that Lebron's daughter her name
(34:16):
appeared on the enrollment of a private school in the
Philadelphia area. So I literally had to be like, okay, is.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
It the birthdate?
Speaker 9 (34:23):
And I literally had to run the thread to ground
to find out that it was actually AI and photoshop.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
So that comes with the Lebron watch.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
It well, that's a complicated thing that comes with a
watch in the box. Only rich people know this. But Rolexes,
the high end rolllexes come with Godfather quotes. Lebron watched
twenty six doesn't know any quotes, even though even though
the watch has seen the movie six times in the
last six weeks.
Speaker 9 (34:50):
By the way, was that a humble brag there about
knowing what comes on rolexes?
Speaker 7 (34:54):
Yes, only rich people.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
What did you say about the time. You said it
was because exigertd Well I had heard. I'd heard it's
three hours ahead, because he can see things coming that
haven't happened, like he knew about Kobe's eighty one point
game before it happened, just by watching him in warm ups.
So this watch, it may be almost five o'clock on
(35:16):
the East coast, the Lebron watch would say eight o'clock,
because he knows what's going to happen.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
By the way, Big Miku doesn't run anything around here.
The very mature entry today Lebron watched twenty six is bald.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
See uh, he's bald all right, And I'm on vacation
in six months to fifty.
Speaker 11 (35:38):
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