January 15, 2026 • 49 mins
On a Thursday edition of the Best Of the show: Dan and Monse discuss John Harbaugh as the Giants are very close to hiring him as their next head coach.
Dan and Monse talk about the Rams visiting the Bears this weekend as the temperature is expected to be in the single digits.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
One down, a bunch more to go. Welcome in. It
is a Thursday. A happy Thursday to you, Monty, oh,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
And a happy birthday Eve to you. Yes, it is
my birthday.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Right now in Sydney. Good it is good, ay, good day.
I'm calling it the uh the farewell to forty eight.
What I'm saying, Wow, here's the worst thing. Here's the
worst thing as a Seahawks fan entering the weekend. As
of tomorrow, Monty, I will actually be a forty nine er.
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I will actually be.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Terrible weekend. This to happen.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Honestly, think about that, atrocious.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Ah, that's rude.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
The countdown is on, not to my birthday, but to
NFL had NFL teams coming together as one as we
have one less vacancy in the NFL as we did
at this time a day ago. Welcome in, hit Mancy
up at Monte Belanos. You can find me at Dan
(01:15):
Byer on Fox. Jason Stewart's here, Iowa Sam is here,
Chris burfettis here. John Harbaugh is not here because he
is the new head coach of the New York Giants.
Word broke late last night, and we'll get to the
insider portion of this, but word broke last night that
the Giants and Harball were finalizing a deal. We knew
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that he was meeting with Giants brass yesterday in New
Jersey at Giants headquarters, and ultimately the first domino falls
as John Harbaugh is out of work for about a
week and has now landed on his feet in the
Big Apple.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, the story quickly changed.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
He was there all day, they were trying to woo him,
and then the reports of he is officially left back
to go home on the private jet.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
This was around seven thirty Eastern and then the next.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Report he is supposed to meet with the Titans on Thursday,
that is his next scheduled appointment. Then not long after that,
it was oh no, no, no, they're already actually finalizing
a deal. I mean, if you really want we've talked
about this. There is no greater feeling than wanting to
be wanted. Feeling wanted. Yeah, and if you really if
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the Giants wanted him, that bad good for them.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
You're not gonna go talk to nobody else. You are
not going anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Correct, And there is no worse feeling than being not
oneted right that there is. It is a huge, huge
polar opposite. And John Harbaugh was wanted by a lot
of teams. He had the right to be picky after
his eighteen years with the Baltimore Ravens. Even told Jay
Glazer over the weekend, I'm gonna speak with three, three
or four teams. It was interesting to try to figure
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out which teams they were. And as it came down
to Moncy, he didn't even get to three or four.
He got down to two, but he did interview with
the Atlanta Falcons ultimately chose to go to the New
York Giants. And I think when you look at how
the National Football League has looked over this coaching search, Monzi,
I think that the Giants job is thought to be
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one of the better jobs available. Now I've seen people
trying to make a case for the Raiders job to
be good. It's a bit of a stretch, but people
are trying to make it look good. People have told
us that the Tennessee job is good because of Cam War.
But I think if you really looked at it. The
two jobs that are the best jobs available were New
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York and they were Atlanta, and John Harbaugh did interview
with Atlanta. They just hired Matt Ryan to be their
president of football Operations. He's going to be looking for
a GM. And with the criteria that we had heard
Moncey that John Harbaugh wanted is he wanted to say
and the general manager he wanted to pick his GM,
Arthur Blank, I think, is an owner that many players, coaches,
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anybody would want to work for in the NFL. And
that's not to say people wouldn't want to work with
the mayor or tish families with the Giants, because they
absolutely would. The history with the Giants, the relationships that
they had. But the Giants already had a general manager.
They had it in Joe Shane. He was told that
he was going to stick around when they fired Brian Dable,
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that Joe Shane would be the one picking the next
head coach. And we'll get into the process and all
of that. But the information we heard over the last
week about what John Harball wanted was he wanted to
maybe have his own say in a GM and Atlanta
doesn't have one, So all signs pointed to Atlanta that
maybe that would be a destination for John Harball, but
he ultimately picks the Giants, which many people predicted that
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he would. But I think the reason why he picked
the Giants Monci is not because of ownership, because I
think it's good on both sides. I don't think it's
because Joe Shane was in place because we thought that
he wanted to pick a GM. I think ultimately John
Harball looked at the landscape of the NFL and said,
I know people think the NFC South stinks because teams
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are eight and nine and eight nine and eight and nine,
But I'm not sure the NFC East is any good.
Philadelphia is making a change in offensive coordinator, they seem
to crumble. Who knows how long Sequon Barkley as who
knows how long Jalen Hurts has Do we really believe
in the Dallas Cowboys and that Jerry Jones can put
together a championship team And if things go bad for
the Commander's next season, dan Quinn's likely going to be
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out of a job. I actually think John Harball looked
at the NFC East and said, with a talent we
have here, winnable. I can win here. It's not that
he couldn't win in Atlanta, but that he can win
in the NFC East. I actually think he looked at
the NFC East and said, yeah, I'd rather be here
than the NFC South.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
I don't know if I totally agree with you. I
see what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You don't agree with me at all. Let's let's be real.
I know it's my birthday, Eve, but you don't have
to sugar.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Cut because I see what you're saying. And maybe maybe.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
The truth here is that the gap between the NFC
East and the NFC South is not as big as
maybe some people have thought. Because the NFC South, I mean,
if you look at the record, yeah, eight and nine
teams across the board except for the Saints, who went
it on in a good note. But then on the East, yeah,
the Giants only four and thirteen. The Commanders though five
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and twelve.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
You don't think the Commanders are gonna get better next year?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Like for me, there's no one knew they were gonna
get worse this year. Ye, these weren't gonna go as
well as they did two years.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Correct, But I feel like they're gonna take a step up.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I can only imagine that the Eagles make a move
here and there, maybe shift aj Brown somewhere else, and
all of a sudden, the Eagles are maybe back in it.
The Cowboys, I feel like, yes, I know they're low
hanging fruit to make fun of because Jerry Jones, but
I feel like there's no reason to think that the
NFC East is more gettable than the NFC South. I
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think he picked the Giants for other reasons, one of
them being Jack's in Dart. He's going to Atlanta and
is where the question marks surrounding the quarterback. That is
not the ideal situation. There is hope and Jackson Dart,
you have Camp Scatterbow, you have a young team on
the Giants that should that should be able to compete. Also,
it's New York, not Atlanta. I've never been to Atlanta,
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and as my headphones get stuck in my hair, I'm good, though, guys, I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Good to our buy So you're and you're talking to
someone who, by the way, loves Atlanta. I absolutely love Atlanta.
It's one of my I would say, honestly, if I
had the rink, one of my top five cities in
the us. I love it for I don't know if
it's because of the sports of Atlanta, because of the South,
because of the city, because of the food, or what
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it is. But I am an Atlanta fan. I love Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I'm not even I've never been. I want to go,
and I agree.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I think there's a lot of things that I would
do sports wise if I went to Atlanta, and it
is on my on my bucket list to go. But
a lot of people have told me, have you been
to Atlanta, don't worry whenever you go, just get out
like that.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I can never get out fast snuff out of Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
So there's New York and it's just kind of like
they're like New York seems like the cool table in
high school, Like the cool kids are there where I
look at.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Atlanta, New York's gonna always win.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
That's but not just New York with Jackson. They look fun.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
They look like a breath of fresh air. All of
that is saying New York. I feel like the hype
is there with Atlanta. It's like, you have a good team,
but what about your quarterback? And I feel like that's
such a big issue. But there's all these other things like,
I really don't think it's a division. Maybe maybe it's
a closer gap.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Well, here's what I would push back and saying, who
wouldn't want to coach b John Robinson, right, who wouldn't
want to coach Drake London? Yes, Michael Penick has.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Just coached Derrick Henry, just coach Derek Henty.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Sure, So just like these gots Camp Scadboo and Elie Neighbors,
all of this young talent on the Giant side that
looks fun.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I think that the Falcons are fun. The question is
is the health of Michael Penis Junior coming back next season?
And so I don't think it's as clear cut that
the Giants that think have more pieces on defense that
you would like. But offensively, I think they can go
toe to toe with what the Giants provide and actually
are better because I think Bijon is magnificent and Drake London,
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if he's healthy, it's just a question of the quarterback.
So while you think it's a slam dunk with the
core of the players, I'm not saying the Giants don't
have a nice core, but I think that Atlanta could
rival that as well. And I'm just surprised that Harbaugh
would want to take on the New York media in
all of this the pressure cooker that is New York,
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where if you did go to Atlanta, maybe a little softer,
softer landing, you're not as much under the microscope. So
that was another twist, Like if you had to compare
the two, there's the New York media to deal with.
Maybe that's something that Harball wanted to bring on. But
I thought it was I just thought it was I
don't think that the jobs are that different, and so
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the I'm trying to find the real reason. Why was
it money? Was it this? Was it that? And I
actually think maybe it's the actual road to having success.
Jason Stewart, he's our executive producer, He was not as
enthralled with this hire as Maazi and i Aron looking
at the different angles. Would enthralled be the right way
to put it.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Jason, Yeah, I don't know what the word is. I
guess enthralled, but like he's definitely the best candidate on
the market. But every single year there's going to be
the best candidate on the market. So that's why you
got to make a big deal out of this. My
question for you, guys, is this is this a big
splash hire, because in my mind, it's the safest hire.
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The Giants are going to be celebrated for getting the
best candidate available. I think that he's probably going to
eventually make you a stable, winning franchise. That there's nothing
sexy about that, right. So when in my recent I
guess lifetime, the big splash hires to compare this too
would be John Gruden returning to the Raiders. We made
a huge deal out of that. It was a big deal.
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I would even put Jim Harbaugh as a most recent example.
Does he raised to that level or is this just
a very safe down the middle higher.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
For you guys. I think it was the easy higher.
I think that if you're Joe Shane and your job
is on the line, I think it's the easy higher.
I also don't think that he made the higher, to
be honest with you, I think ownership made the higher.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
That's the way it seems if you read between the
lines of the details of how this all went down yesterday,
I agree.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I think that it's a way of instead of taking
a risk on a young coordinator or a different coordinator,
something that they have done in the past, if you
were to look at at who had previously been there,
not even coordinators, just of other assistant coaches, of getting
someone with this track record, Veer's it's Tom Coughlin has
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been the name that has been brought up a lot
by NFL insiders and saying that the Giants are looking
for that Coughlin stability and Coaughlan had a successful run
with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Not eighteen years worth is John Harbaugh.
But I think that they were probably fed up with
going coordinator assistant coach sort of route, and this allowed
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them to not only not go that route, but when
we have the report cards coming out after this coaching cycle,
I think more grades than not, we'll say the Giants
got an A because they have a Super Bowl winning
head coach.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, I think it's like you said, the easy hire.
It's a win win for both.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
The Giants again are going to get the credit for
getting Harbaugh.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
And then Harbaugh goes into a.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Situation that seems like it's ready to take off. If
you went somewhere else, the expectation is like if you
let's just say he went to the Titans and it
didn't work out, it would be like you failed Cam
Mordan the Titans. There would be a different narrative if
he picked another team that had maybe not the pieces
as well as well set up as the Giants or
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even the Falcons, because I agree, I think the Falcons
are a good team. This is if you went somewhere else,
it would be more on him Like this, He's going
into a situation where you almost can't fail.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, if they if they lose, you just say like, ah,
that's the Giants and Joe Shane. They can never get
it right, Like John Harball was a victim of the Giants.
If he went to Atlanta and they didn't win and
he had a saying who the GM was, then you're
saying John Harball has lost his fastball.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So maybe it was easy for both. Maybe in that
way it was it was easy for both. But I
do think that he looks at the NFC East as
a path that maybe isn't as daunting. I mean, when
Arizona may not hire a coach until June, considering what
the Cardinals are gonna have to go up through in
that division, I mean, seriously, he was gonna be, Oh,
we get Sean McVay Kyle Shanahan and Mike McDonald. Thank
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you very much. Sam, you might as well apply, Like,
like who in the world is gonna want that job?
Somebody'd be like, there's only thirty two of them. Yeah,
but that's one like like right now, like you can
think of worse timing for an organization.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
That's not what you want to walk in.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
No, no, but when the report cards come out, it's
going to be an a for the New York Giants.
And this probably is you know, easyps for both sides.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
It really is, it really is.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Again, it just seems like he's walking into an ideal
situation and yeah, the others aren't.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
But for both win win, I.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Think Alata would be good. We just disagree on the
reasons why, and the Giants end up being the pick
of John Harball. But I think also Jason's right, it's
almost like this coaching search is greater on a curve
because of who is available and the names that are
out there. I mean there are names that are I
mean Jason Garrett on an interview right like, I mean,
that's that's where we're going in all of this. There
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doesn't seem to be a war between two teams people
are already finding their avenues of what team, what player
they like going here, and what player they're like going there.
With that connection, I think a lot of insiders will
probably be six of eight for their predictions or six
of nine for their predictions. Now that the Steelers one
is in, and if you haven't made it already, then
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it is eight because Harball is already in place. But
I think that, yeah, it was the the easy higher.
It's just I think John Harball thinks that the NFC
East is easier than what some might think.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
I haven't been I haven't stopped laughing internally about the
just thinking about how Iowa Sam would be as a
head coach in the NFL. Same we do think about
those meetings. So it's like long winded, Uh, I disagree,
And I think players falling asleep and trying to having
to wait, trying to keep it awake.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
And this is what I think it would be. I
think like in the film session, it would be Kyler
Murray like overthrowing Marvin Harrison Junior. And Sam would be like,
that's that's okay, Kyler, that's okay, that's okay. Those that
that that sometimes happens. It's football. Yeah, you sometimes miss it.
Or Marvin Harrison Junior drops a pass, that's okay, just
catch the next one. You've caught other ones before, Sam.
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Do you think that would be?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Sam?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Right? I don't know why I'm catching all these.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I that isn't a bad big He's not astray. It's
not a straight at all.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
I think, first of all, I'd cut Kyler Murray on
my first I would, uh, I would. I'd rather have
Aaron Rodgers back in all of his baggage in oldness.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
So now I can see the headlines, Iowa Sam racist
question mark.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
No, he's just you know when he when he sits
down on a curb, his has his feet angle.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
That's all my fet Iowa Sam would have the ride arm.
They would be like, if you are shorter than this,
you are cut.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
You are cut.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
And it would be a five eight that's right. Yeah,
And so like Kyler Murray like it's like, hey, I
didn't do it to you this sign did.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
The good thing about those said coaching me is that
have it has incredible time timely bump music when he
comes in of the room and then he leaves it,
and then he would have drops being played in the
middle of his speeches.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Would you play they might be giants? The week you
play the Giants? Would that would that maybe be oh yeah,
that would be topic. It'll be music connected to the
next opponent. You know, Yeah, I get the soundtrack of
my coaching tenure. Iowa was Sam the next end coach
of the Cardinals. Again, you may get that opportunity because
no one's gonna take that job. I just imagine that.
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All right, Okay, you're gonna start the year you're at LA,
then you have Seattle coming to town, and then then
you get to go to San Francisco and face forty
nine ers.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Can I be the person that makes sure you don't
get on the field, like the guy that Sean McVay has, get.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Back they get back? Can I be that true?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
You're hired? Gal.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Even if I made it like nine days on this job,
I'd still make so much money and like nine days
that I'd just be like, Okay, yeah, I got I
came here for something.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I'm not leaving empty handed. Kevin Burkhard I could say, well,
he wouldn't be doing Arizona Cardinal games, but if he did,
he would he would be saying and ioa Sam taking
over in his first year in Arizona. His assistant coaches
are all Ferences. Everybody is related to Kirk Farrence on
this also, when would get hired?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
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Speaker 2 (18:10):
Manzi would be singing the it's cold outside part. That
is for sure. She wants no part of what's happening
in Chicago on Sunday night. She is Monte Milanios, I'm
Dan Byer, this is Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
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Speaker 2 (18:38):
Temperatures being the single digits between the Rams and Bears
when they kick off in the final game of the
divisional playoff weekend in Chicago, It'll be a five to
thirty local time kickoff for the Bears, home to the
Los Angeles Rams. Weather today in southern California where we
are based, the home of the Rams, the RAMS headquarters
not too far from them, where our network headquarters are,
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maybe about a ten to fifteen minute drive down the freeways.
A nice seventy seventy five degree day, slight heavier breeze,
maybe because of some of the Santa Annas coming in,
but they're going to be going into Chicago and dealing
with these single digit temperatures that Manzi doesn't want anything
to do with. Sean McVay has no problem with it.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
You know how the actual just cold in general in
terms of how the ball feels. But last year was
a great example of you know, we had two really
cold games. But fortunately, you know, Matthew's played in these
conditions and so doesn't change. There's a couple of things
you have to be mindful of. But now you start
talking about wind, rain and how that really affects your footing,
stuff like that. But we always kind of adjust and
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adapt to you know, they got to be able to
play in those same sort of elements. They obviously have
had a little bit more experience, but we're not going
to allow that to be an excuse. And so I
think you do have to have a feel. But I
think the way that our guys play, I think it
suits us well in any sort of condition. And that's
kind of what we've always said.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
He has to say that, so you think that he
believes that there are issues.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
I think he hopes that there aren't, but that's what
he has to say. He can't admit that it's something
that it's even being entertained of how cold it's going
to be.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
He can't admit that. But you know they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
It, I'm sure, and they're going to be bundled up.
But remember what they did last year against Philadelphia, And
he mentioned the two cold weather games they had last year.
So they're playing the game against the Eagles and all
of a sudden it starts to snow and all hell
breaks loose and they can't hold onto the football and
the Eagles take charge. But then the Rams kind of
find their footing and are driving against Philadelphia with an
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opportunity to maybe win that game and pull out the upset.
They aren't able to do it, but they adapted at
that point. And the one thing that I think is
sometimes misunderstood when it comes to weather is we talk
about this a lot when it's a warm weather team
going to a cold weather spot. If this was Chicago
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in Green Bay last week, like it was on a
Saturday night, it wasn't as much of a discussion because
the both teams are playing. It's how is the warm
weather team going to do in the cold weather? But
the cold weather isn't like the Bears are living in
it and always practicing in it. They're not going to
practice an eight degree weather outside all week long. Now,
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maybe they'll do something outside, maybe they'll try to get
accustomed to it. That can happen, but it's people like,
how can you how can you live in this weather? Well,
it's not like you're outside for twelve hours of the
day when it's three degrees You usually inside. And so
while it's cold outside Mount Seat, nobody really loves the
cold unless you're going out ice fishing and snowmobiling. That's
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how you end up embracing it. But nobody's like, man,
I'll love it when it's freezing cold. I can't fill
the ends of my fingertips, Like no, you work inside,
you go, you bundle your coat, you run to your car,
you turn on the heater. It's nice and warm in
there after a little while, and so it's not like
the Bears are fully equipped just because they're from the
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team from Chicago. There's still some getting used to the cold.
So my point being is it's gonna be cold for
the Bears too, and it's not gonna be as easy
for them as it would be if temperatures were nicer.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Matt Collins loves the cold, first of all. He's probably
the only one Mac Collins always you know what I'm saying,
But you're right.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I thought she said Matt Collins, and I'm like, who
is Matt Collins?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Sorry, he loves the cold. I still think there's an
advantage to it. I mean, this past season, Sam Darnold
didn't play that well in Carolina, where I think it
was one of the coldest games that he experienced this season,
and it's gonna be even colder. I'm not saying it's
going to the end all be All is the weather,
and it's in the favor of Chicago, but I do
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think it matters.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
They live in Chicago. They experience it on a day
to day basis.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Here in La it's like you're not used to that
and just showing up and having to play. I think
that's it's gonna be tough, especially you know.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
The Bears are hot. I know it's gonna be cool,
but they're hot right now.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, I think the Rams would rather be playing in
Los Angeles. I'm still at home in there.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I think they'd be playing in a lot of different areas,
not against a team who's hot and has just had
these wins where you're like, how did you do this?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
But you think they'd rather be playing in Seattle? I
do you think they'd rather face the Seahawks in better
conditions than playing I don't think it's I don't think
it's crazy. I don't agree with you, but I just
am surprised that you would think that.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
I just think that playing in Chicago and against the Bears,
there's a lot of unpredictability.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I feel like they play the seahawus.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
I were familiar with this, where you were used to this,
you know what I'm I feel like it's just more
familiar territory.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I feel if the Bears were a defensive team, it
would be a little different. But the Bears that relied
just as much on their offense, if not more, than
the Rams do. So that's why I think it could
be a Bears factor. Jason Stewart, native Southern Californian.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Yeah, I care more about out how sports are covered
in the actual sports themselves. So when I see a
headline on this at Pro Football Talk and I see
that reporters are asking McVeigh this question, I always just
kind of get disappointed in journalism because I guess it's
one of those things where we just run out of
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things ways to cover these teams. This is like the
low hanging fruit of narratives warm weather team, cold weather team.
Let's ask the coach of the warm weather team how
it impacts our team. It just seems to be so
lazy to me, and the fact that like a Pro
Football Talk even makes it a story to me is lazy.
And by the way, Sam, who loves his bump music,
(24:41):
came back with a great one right. It was a
was it maybe It's cold outside? That was canceled ten
years ago because it's kind of but it's cold outside.
Why don't you check for yourself maybe it's cold out? Yeah,
So I did my own thing as we as we
can bind the rams head coach on the Bump song,
and it's like mcvaby it's cold outside. Mcvaby, it's cold outside.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I love it. I want to bring Chris purfet In.
You cover the Lions for years. They're oh yeah, cold
weather city, but they play indoors.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Any history with the Lions having issues with the cold weather.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
I do know they do have.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
So it's funny you say that, but I know in
Allen Park, where their practice facilities are they are, they
do have an outdoor field and they pointedly make a
point to go out and practice in the cold. I
was actually trying to look up Stafford's record in cold
weather games before the Rams, because the one that always
comes up is the one and nine with the Rams.
I couldn't dig it up, but I mean that would
always still come up with him when he was in
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Detroit was well, they play in a dome, and it's like, yeah,
but they can practice outside too.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Here's what also happens is like teams don't have great
records because they're not great teams.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, that's that's the other part of that. Yeah, yeah,
that's well, that's why you didn't win. You weren't that good.
Like it doesn't matter that the temperature was below whatever.
The Dolphins and just there struggles in history are the
reason why I think Jason Stewart it's a story. But
like when you go and play a frigid game in
Kansas City and you don't know if Tua has the
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arm strength to throw the football or throw the rock
because it literally is a rock for how cold it
is out there, that does become a storyline in the game.
So I think it's legitimate in those situations. But sometimes
the team just isn't good enough. And I remember the
reason I brought up the Lions too, is we remember
what happened in the final week of the year when
green Bay need to get into the playoffs a couple
years ago. The Lions come in the lines win that
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game in cold weather. It was cold there and they're
the indoor team, but they're kind of used to it. It
didn't affect them.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
Something that would always come up near the end of
the year.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Two.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
First off, you're always playing that one cold weather game
in green Bay against you know, Aaron Rodgers to your point,
but also Stafford usually by the end of the year
with the Lions, because he didn't have a lot of
offensive line help, usually ended up banged up as well.
So suddenly you've got a cold weather game on top
of the fact that his hand is mangled, or he's
been smacked in the side, or that one year where
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his back was broken, And so instead of talking about that,
we talk about how he does in a cold weather
game on the top of it.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And I'll just I'll wrap it up by saying this,
once you get maybe even through the first half of
the first quarter, you get through the first quarter, it's over.
Like you're just so focused on the game and you've
adapted to the conditions. It's not like in the fourth
quarter they're like, oh, he didn't catch the ball because
he lives, you know, in Calabasas, Like, that's not the
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reason why. It's not that he's from southern California, and
it's not that the Bears are making the plays because
they're in the cold weather. At first, it's a shock.
You try to get used to it. But once the
game goes on, and that's really in any conditions, you
end up altering. I don't think it becomes a factor
once the game, the game can rolls on.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
What do you got, god, I say, then you go
to halftime, and then you go inside, and then you
warm up and you.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Have to go back out again. Let's start it all over.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
That's those things warm coats on the side, you got
the the heat lamps and all the stuff too.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
That's thinks when you go to the mall. But in
the game, like you're you can adjust. Sam.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Forgive me if you brought this up already, but I
mean our most recent example of this actually being a
thing anecdotally being like proven is Tua right.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Did you guys mention too?
Speaker 6 (28:16):
I'm sorry, but yeah, you notice the difference that he
how he plays and how the Dolphins play in general.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I just said, that's the reason why I think that
this is a story. I think the Rams last year
almost beating the Eagles would prove that they're able. They're
capable to what Sean McVay said. But I do think
like a situation like the Dolphins where my got you
yeah no, and they played that cold weather game against
the Chiefs, why it continues to be a story. She's
Wonty Belanos. I'm Dan Byer.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
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Speaker 2 (28:50):
John Harbaugh is headed to New York. The Rams are
heading to the chill of Chicago. Is it gonna matter?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
H how cold? Is it going to be single digits?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
It's normal, It's not it is, it's normal. It just
may not be normal for the Rams. And is that
a big deal or not?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Exactly? It is a big deal.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
All stuff that we will discuss coming up here on
Fox Sports Radio. Chris Perpetus here, so is Jason Stewart
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To travel and not call this Kawhi fines two three,
but two full time.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
The whole Wizard's fence is on their feet, really upset.
They felt like Kawaii crambled. He did not and bound
finds Anthony.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Gil He'll just hang on.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
The Clippers.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Eleven oh their last thirteen games.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
They handle Wizards and beat the team from the Nation's Capital.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
One nineteen till one oh five behind thirty three and
a career high time seven May threes from Cohi Leonard,
you might as well be playing the Washington Generals A
five seventy LA Sports Clippers Radio Network Wizards Generals basically
the same thing is always lose.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
They just always you know the Washington.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Generals are with your shirt? You should know who they are, right,
They're the team that play the Harlem Globetrotters and always lose.
That's right, that's the Washington Generals.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
It was like, why do I know that name?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Wazi's sporting a Savannah Banana's T shirt? Tom, Do they
have other team gear with the Savannah Bananas?
Speaker 4 (30:48):
What do you mean other teams like the team that
they play, Like, don't they proh like the firefighters?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:53):
I think there were firefighter things there when I went,
but I was obviously gonna get.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
To Obviously, absolutely I get it, and that league is expanding.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Firefighters are just for Halloween.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Hit her up at Monte Bolagno's Find Me at dan
Byer on Fox Earlier this week in Arizona, a record
was shattered. I don't I want to make this clear.
I am not going to sit here for the next
fifteen to twenty minutes and criticize a seventeen year old
or eighteen year old athlete in high school. It's everything
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that goes around what happened in this high school basketball
game in Arizona. Guard by the name of Adrian Stubbs,
playing for Phoenix Maryvale High School set an Arizona record
earlier this week by scoring one hundred points. Wow, in
(31:49):
a game. The Wilt Chamberlain of high school basketball scored
one hundred points in a game, and I was curious
to read the details. Seventy points in the first half,
he had thirty more in the third quarter, and Monty
didn't even play in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
So that's it's awesome stuff. And I don't want to
take away from the kid. Final score one oh nine
to twenty five.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
And that's problem number one.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
The record that was broken. Nicomannion, we know from Arizona
Wildcat Fame, had the record for Class six A scoring
fifty seven points in a game. The all time Arizona
record in all class basketball was seventy five that was
held since nineteen sixty six. Was when the seventy five
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points were scored in a game, and on Tuesday, the
Nico Manyon record it was not only shattered, it was
obliterated in a game where a team won by eighty
four points. And this is I'm not criticizing the kid, no,
I just am trying to find the the goodness for
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everyone involved, because I just don't know if having a
kid score one hundred points in an eighty four point
blowout is good for anybody involved in that game.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
I don't disagree with you, Dan. When I first heard
the headline, I was like, oh, let's look into this,
because records are meant to be broken. I feel that way.
I would love to break a record. But then when
you get into the details of how this happened, You're like,
why did you even play in the third quarter?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Why? What is the point of this?
Speaker 4 (33:42):
You scored one hundred out of the one hundred and
nine points for your team. I was hoping it was
gonna be like a guy scored one hundred points in
a close game where they.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Won one thirty to one twenty five, and then I
would be like, oh my God, how awesome.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yes, And instead I'm over here just like better, why
why did you play in the second half at all?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
And this is where I like, I think the if
the teammates around him. By the way, if you just
do the math, no one on the winning team scored
in double digits. You had one guy in triple digits,
and then you had the rest of the team scoring
nine points. So there's not only that, there's a concerted
effort to have. By the way, it is not uncommon.
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It is actually more of the norm where you have
one amazing player on a team and they get a
lot of the action, they score a lot of the points,
and the other players fill in their spots. Sometimes they
benefit from its scoring higher games, but it's usually not.
Someone scores one hundred and then the next highest score
scores six. But the players had to be in on
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it as well. If no one is taking shots, and that,
to me then is coaching, because it's obviously coming from
the coaches in saying let's get this guy the record.
They admit it that the the player, Adrian Stubbs, had
scored fifty six in a previous game this season or
last season, so he was one shy of the record.
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So getting the record of the Class six A in
Arizona was a goal of theirs, and it probably should
be to help their teammate get that goal. I just
you can't do it in a game where you win
by eighty four points. And that's my problem with it
is somebody there has to be an adult, somebody has
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to say, Okay, this is a little too much, because
it takes active thinking to say he's going to get
one hundred. Right, he didn't play in the fourth quarter.
That was the decision that was made. Your point, Monty
has spot on. The decision was made to play in
the third quarter when he had already broken the record.
So now then you continue with what you're going for.
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If you want to break the record and he came
close last time, and maybe there was a bad call
or whatever, that's fine, break the record. You don't have
to obliterate the record and obliterate the other team while
doing so. I just this to me is I know
high school hoops is a different game, but this, to
me is just not good at any level of play whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Nobody reads that story and is impressed by the end
of it. People are just questioning Why did you do that?
How did you walk away from that patting yourself on
the back because there was no competition and you broke
the personal record that you were trying to get.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Before the third quarter. So I agree with you, Dan.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Where is the coaching in this, because again, this isn't impressive.
Nobody's gonna look at this and reach out to this
coach and have them on a show to discuss how
amazing this, you know, record break breaking was. It's not impressive.
I'm not impressed at all.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
The teammates didn't score until the second half. He scored
all the points in the first half, and the Adrian
stubs the player. I don't want to. I just I
have a tough time being critical of it, teenager. I
just have I'm just very critical of this whole situation.
He admitted. He's like, my guy's just passed me the
ball all the time. The guy's got the steals, and
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they would pass me the ball. But I don't know
why there isn't an adult anywhere that says, all right,
this is cool and all, but let's let's be respectful
of what this is because it sure feels like it's
gaming the system.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Jason Stewart, our executive producer.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
So if we said this coach's name yet, Jeremy Smith,
Jeremy Smith, Merrivale's head coach, Jeremy Smith, You're an a hole,
That's what I would say. Anybody who's played competitive sports
knows that there's a certain decorum. There's a word called sportsmanship,
and I just wanted to look up the definition so
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that maybe Derek Smith never looked it up, or Jeremy
Smith's yeah, and no, no, his brother Dick Smith.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
Fair and generous behavior or treatment of others, especially in
a sports contest.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Fair?
Speaker 5 (37:57):
What was fair and or generous about this behavior by
the coach that leaves his kid in the game to
pile on another team that's already getting their ass kicked.
To me, this is like a fireable offense if you're saying,
where are the adults of the room, whatever the school's
athletic director is or head of boosters or the PTA president,
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whoever is the adult, should should move to fire this person.
This is setting the worst possible example for future men.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
I can't I just can't wrap my head around to
Manzie's point of coming out of halftime and being like,
let's have him get one hundred, right, right, so he doesn't. Yeah,
so what you did in the fourth quarter, because just
simple math would tell us if you don't play in
the fourth quarter and you have one hundred points, then
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their team scored less than nine points or less in
the fourth quarter. So you can turn it off. You
can't turn it off. You can turn it down, you
can let other guys do whatever. But if this guy
scores one hundred, I'm guessing unless they're you know, maybe
the team around him isn't the strongest, and that that
happens in high school. I'm not gonna blame them, But
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did they turn it off because they were winning by
so much? Or did they turn it off because their
team couldn't make baskets? And I don't think that they
couldn't make baskets. I think that they turned it off consciously,
which makes everything that happened in the whole game that
much worse. I also just can't stand the fact if
you have now obliterated a record, that is going to
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take someone else doing this to be able to break it.
Manzi's point of him scoring one hundred points in a
high school game where it's one thirty to one eighteen
was probably a long shot, but we had hopes that
maybe that was the case. Now that's the type of
game that's gonna happen unless you're gonna beat someone one
hundred and eighteen to four and have your star players
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or one hundred and five points. So you've had this
record that has stood since nineteen sixty six of seventy
five points, and said, hold on, not only are we
gonna break that one, and we're gonna break the record
that we wanted to break earlier this year of fifty seven,
we are gonna put it so far out of reach
that no one else can even have the glory or
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honor of trying to win this break this record, and
that part is even uglier. On top of doing what
they did to this team that lost by eighty four points.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
You're taking away the fun of it of chasing a
record that seems attainable. And also, someone is gonna drop
in the future, let's say seventy five points in a game, right,
and it's gonna be a close game, and that game
is going to be remembered because this is gonna become
something that's not taken seriously, like it's just not we.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Can't take this seriously.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
This is a joke, and you made a joke of
the game, Like Jason Stewart is saying, I agree with you,
how this this is a joke of the game, of competition,
of the records, and I just don't I don't get
what you walked away from that feeling good.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Of all the things that Barry Bonds may not be
liked for, the seventy three home runs in a season
is the part that makes me the most mad. It's
not the all time mark. You could say whatever you want.
It's the point of what we had. Aaron Judge hit
sixty two, and now everybody's hitting homers in Major League
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Baseball and we're still eleven away from tying the record, right,
so Judge hits sixty two, we phrase it in the
AL record. Well, no one's gonna get the NL slash
MLB record because it's so far out there. And so
for all the things of what Balco and Barry Bonds represented,
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and I may not be as passionate against them as
others are, the thing that does make me mad is
we will not have an opportunity to see someone break
the single season home run record unless something like a
Barry Bond sort of situation happens again, which is the
same thing would happen in Arizona in a high school
gym this week.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
And when you even look at it like that, I
know it's very hard, but there is a chance we
may see someone hit seventy three. There is a chance
eleven eleven home runs over the course of the season.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
The way the way you know, maybe the balls are
changing and offense is going. It can happen. This other
record it legit. I don't know if it can be
broken like legit.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Can a high schooler score one hundred and one points
unless you literally do the same thing again.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
It's gonna be this guy again.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Games system, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
He's gonna it's gonna be the same guy. He's gonna
play the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
What What's it's such? It's such a bad example, uh,
to everyone involved. I don't know if there are parents
that were watching the game that were behind it. And
I think that the the kid is sitting there saying,
my teammates want this. I want to do it for
my team. We see this in the NFL. I want
to get the rushing record for my five guys who
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block for me. That's fine. That's I understand that portion
of it. And I think probably in their eyes they're
saying he gave credit to his teammates. The teammates are like, yeah,
all right, our guy got this, we got a part
of this. But there's another team. There's other teams in
the future that you that will have to deal with.
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None of that was taken into consideration. And I don't
put that on the shoulders of the fifteen, sixteen, and
seventeen year olds. I put it on the shoulders of
Jeremy Smith and the adults in the room, or the
adults in the gymnasium, and and heck you mas I
hadn't play the fourth quarter part right, Yeah, I mean
it seems like it's almost even just pity otherwise considering
that you felt like this was the need that let's
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get them a hundred. He had I understand the fascination
with the number. It's just it's just such an awful look.
And honestly, the article that I read about it was
lifting it up. It seems felt like it was an
uplifting story, and I just didn't find a lot uplifting
from it. And I think when you look back and
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the kids look back when they're older, they're going to
kind of understand what actually transpired and maybe why the
adults in the room failed them on that night.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
The opposing team, I don't even I can't even imagine
being the parents of the opposing team in that situation
and seeing your kids be embarrassed like that. Like I
would have just been like, why are we playing? You
know what I'm saying, like, this is why I'm not
having kids, guys, because I will be fighting on the court.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Will be in that situation.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Yeah, there would be some teams that maybe someone would
take offense absolutely go up for a hard follow up.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Absolutely, No, it's ugly. It's ugly, and it makes no sense.
Speaker 6 (44:41):
It's ugly, And I don't disagree with you guys. You
know about a lot of this stuff, especially a sportsmanship angle.
But this is not without presidens. Iowa's own women's basketball
coach Jan Jensen in nineteen eighty Guests seven scored one
hundred and five points in a game that was six
on six girls basketball. And then our very own Jack
Taylor out of Grenell College Division III, he scored let's see, uh,
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he scored one hundred and thirty eight points in a game.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, but Grinell would score two hundred points.
Speaker 6 (45:06):
I know, but it's like, yeah, but this was I
mean he had fifty eight at half time. I mean,
just like there's this happens. It's just for different reasons.
People have different motivations behind this.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Grinell was the story for a while in sports because
of how they played, because of those huge numbers. But
what were the final scores of their games? It was
like two eleven to like one to fifty three or
something in this particular game.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Different.
Speaker 6 (45:27):
In this particular game they won by seventy five. So
it was one one seventy nine to one oh four.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
So I mean you can say around different. That's still
sound way.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
Different, no, I know, but like, yeah, back in the day,
people didn't care about this stuff. You're gonna Jan Jensen
goes out and scores one hundred and five points. I
don't know if many people were licking their wounds afterward.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I I just I think that. And I don't know
what the score of that Jan Jensen game was. I
was looking for it happened they won probably by one
hundred and ten.
Speaker 6 (45:51):
Probably, And that's that's probably With women's and girls basketball,
as it gets really even in college at Division one level,
it can get really out of hand.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
I also Jan jents And was a top player. And
this is the point that we made earlier. A lot
of schools have one player where they're just better than everybody.
It's probably taller than everyone. In the scoring. That wasn't
even the three point yo, there's different rules. And yeah,
there was this half court I get. I don't know.
She didn't have to play defense. It was six on six. Yeah,
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like Grinell, they're chucking up threes. It's part of the
pace of the game. This is one of the thing
that was pointing out that he scored one hundred by
only having six threes. You know, so like this is
a so this is, you know, a part of the competition.
But scoring one hundred and four points in the game
that you lose by seventy is a lot different than
scoring twenty four points in a game that you lose
by eighty four. And it's also the pace of the
play and you're probably not conditioned enough to keep up.
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And I would assume that the score just continues to
get larger and larger as it goes on. This game
was probably forty eight to scored thirty five in the
first quarter. It was thirty five to two, probably at
the first quarter.
Speaker 6 (46:52):
I think if I was in the crowd watching this,
I'd start to feel sick after a while, like, yeah,
I didn't I said, I didn't disagree with you guys.
The sportsmanship aspect is the rough part of all of this,
and just start of you're watching something unfold and at
some point, yeah, when do you do step forward and
be like, hey, maybe just need to like it.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
And this opportunity is what it is, Like, this was
the opportunity to actually show the players what sportsmanship is.
If you was to get pushback from those players, like man, coach,
let's let's get them to one hundred, then you could
pull them aside and be like, this is why we're
not going to do this tonight. In this game, We're
kicking their ass. I'm pulling off the dogs. I'm just
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pulling it off. That's what you're supposed to do. And
by the way, I think the listeners are probably wondering
how many points did the Warriors score the night or
the Sixers the Warriors the night that well, Chamberlain scored
one hundred. It was one hundred and sixty nine points. Okay,
would you believe this? The top three scoring games of
all time is Wilt at one hundred, Kobe at eighty one,
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and then Wilt at seventy eight. Two of those three
were done in losses. I didn't know that interesting. Yeah,
I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
When you see, like in the NFL, you have like
a five hundred yard passing game, most of those are
done and losses because your team's behind, you're throwing the
football and maybe you make a comeback and you're still
throwing the football. But that that's interesting. And so those
were competitive basketball games where where players were actually at
their best. Tell you another thing, where if the player
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would have broken the record at fifty eight, maybe the
next game he tries to break it at sixty right right,
then there's more of a feeling of accomplishment here. Yes,
it feels like it's a very empty record to just
try to rack it up yourself, like there would have
been competition. Maybe maybe you do on your own in
a competitive game break the all time state mark of
seventy five for whatever crazy you know reason that is.
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But it sure feels like they try to take advantage
of the school that they were playing and do it
to their own benefit, and nobody won in this situation.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
Empty. I like that you said that. You said that,
It's like, how satisfying is this? Really? You're going to
tell people about this?
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (48:59):
And then it's again not the kid, but like the coach,
you're you're gonna tell people about Yeah, my kid on
my team scored one hundred points and we crushed this
team one hundred two whatever, twenty five thirty five.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
It was like, how is this satisfying?
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (49:11):
I have no idea at all. If I was the
other coach, I would have just I don't know if
they have a shot clock in Arizona. I assume that
they do, because otherwise at one point I would have
just held the ball at half court. Yeah, been like right,
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
One down, a bunch more to go. Welcome in. It
is a Thursday. A happy Thursday to you, Monty, oh,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
And a happy birthday Eve to you. Yes, it is
my birthday.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Right now in Sydney. Good it is good, ay, good day.
I'm calling it the uh the farewell to forty eight.
What I'm saying, Wow, here's the worst thing. Here's the
worst thing as a Seahawks fan entering the weekend. As
of tomorrow, Monty, I will actually be a forty nine er.
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I will actually be.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Terrible weekend. This to happen.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Honestly, think about that, atrocious.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Ah, that's rude.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
The countdown is on, not to my birthday, but to
NFL had NFL teams coming together as one as we
have one less vacancy in the NFL as we did
at this time a day ago. Welcome in, hit Mancy
up at Monte Belanos. You can find me at Dan
(01:15):
Byer on Fox. Jason Stewart's here, Iowa Sam is here,
Chris burfettis here. John Harbaugh is not here because he
is the new head coach of the New York Giants.
Word broke late last night, and we'll get to the
insider portion of this, but word broke last night that
the Giants and Harball were finalizing a deal. We knew
(01:36):
that he was meeting with Giants brass yesterday in New
Jersey at Giants headquarters, and ultimately the first domino falls
as John Harbaugh is out of work for about a
week and has now landed on his feet in the
Big Apple.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, the story quickly changed.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
He was there all day, they were trying to woo him,
and then the reports of he is officially left back
to go home on the private jet.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
This was around seven thirty Eastern and then the next.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Report he is supposed to meet with the Titans on Thursday,
that is his next scheduled appointment. Then not long after that,
it was oh no, no, no, they're already actually finalizing
a deal. I mean, if you really want we've talked
about this. There is no greater feeling than wanting to
be wanted. Feeling wanted. Yeah, and if you really if
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the Giants wanted him, that bad good for them.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
You're not gonna go talk to nobody else. You are
not going anywhere else.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Correct, And there is no worse feeling than being not
oneted right that there is. It is a huge, huge
polar opposite. And John Harbaugh was wanted by a lot
of teams. He had the right to be picky after
his eighteen years with the Baltimore Ravens. Even told Jay
Glazer over the weekend, I'm gonna speak with three, three
or four teams. It was interesting to try to figure
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out which teams they were. And as it came down
to Moncy, he didn't even get to three or four.
He got down to two, but he did interview with
the Atlanta Falcons ultimately chose to go to the New
York Giants. And I think when you look at how
the National Football League has looked over this coaching search, Monzi,
I think that the Giants job is thought to be
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one of the better jobs available. Now I've seen people
trying to make a case for the Raiders job to
be good. It's a bit of a stretch, but people
are trying to make it look good. People have told
us that the Tennessee job is good because of Cam War.
But I think if you really looked at it. The
two jobs that are the best jobs available were New
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York and they were Atlanta, and John Harbaugh did interview
with Atlanta. They just hired Matt Ryan to be their
president of football Operations. He's going to be looking for
a GM. And with the criteria that we had heard
Moncey that John Harbaugh wanted is he wanted to say
and the general manager he wanted to pick his GM,
Arthur Blank, I think, is an owner that many players, coaches,
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anybody would want to work for in the NFL. And
that's not to say people wouldn't want to work with
the mayor or tish families with the Giants, because they
absolutely would. The history with the Giants, the relationships that
they had. But the Giants already had a general manager.
They had it in Joe Shane. He was told that
he was going to stick around when they fired Brian Dable,
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that Joe Shane would be the one picking the next
head coach. And we'll get into the process and all
of that. But the information we heard over the last
week about what John Harball wanted was he wanted to
maybe have his own say in a GM and Atlanta
doesn't have one, So all signs pointed to Atlanta that
maybe that would be a destination for John Harball, but
he ultimately picks the Giants, which many people predicted that
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he would. But I think the reason why he picked
the Giants Monci is not because of ownership, because I
think it's good on both sides. I don't think it's
because Joe Shane was in place because we thought that
he wanted to pick a GM. I think ultimately John
Harball looked at the landscape of the NFL and said,
I know people think the NFC South stinks because teams
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are eight and nine and eight nine and eight and nine,
But I'm not sure the NFC East is any good.
Philadelphia is making a change in offensive coordinator, they seem
to crumble. Who knows how long Sequon Barkley as who
knows how long Jalen Hurts has Do we really believe
in the Dallas Cowboys and that Jerry Jones can put
together a championship team And if things go bad for
the Commander's next season, dan Quinn's likely going to be
(05:32):
out of a job. I actually think John Harball looked
at the NFC East and said, with a talent we
have here, winnable. I can win here. It's not that
he couldn't win in Atlanta, but that he can win
in the NFC East. I actually think he looked at
the NFC East and said, yeah, I'd rather be here
than the NFC South.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
I don't know if I totally agree with you. I
see what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You don't agree with me at all. Let's let's be real.
I know it's my birthday, Eve, but you don't have
to sugar.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Cut because I see what you're saying. And maybe maybe.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
The truth here is that the gap between the NFC
East and the NFC South is not as big as
maybe some people have thought. Because the NFC South, I mean,
if you look at the record, yeah, eight and nine
teams across the board except for the Saints, who went
it on in a good note. But then on the East, yeah,
the Giants only four and thirteen. The Commanders though five
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and twelve.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
You don't think the Commanders are gonna get better next year?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Like for me, there's no one knew they were gonna
get worse this year. Ye, these weren't gonna go as
well as they did two years.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Correct, But I feel like they're gonna take a step up.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I can only imagine that the Eagles make a move
here and there, maybe shift aj Brown somewhere else, and
all of a sudden, the Eagles are maybe back in it.
The Cowboys, I feel like, yes, I know they're low
hanging fruit to make fun of because Jerry Jones, but
I feel like there's no reason to think that the
NFC East is more gettable than the NFC South. I
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think he picked the Giants for other reasons, one of
them being Jack's in Dart. He's going to Atlanta and
is where the question marks surrounding the quarterback. That is
not the ideal situation. There is hope and Jackson Dart,
you have Camp Scatterbow, you have a young team on
the Giants that should that should be able to compete. Also,
it's New York, not Atlanta. I've never been to Atlanta,
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and as my headphones get stuck in my hair, I'm good, though, guys, I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Good to our buy So you're and you're talking to
someone who, by the way, loves Atlanta. I absolutely love Atlanta.
It's one of my I would say, honestly, if I
had the rink, one of my top five cities in
the us. I love it for I don't know if
it's because of the sports of Atlanta, because of the South,
because of the city, because of the food, or what
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it is. But I am an Atlanta fan. I love Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I'm not even I've never been. I want to go,
and I agree.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I think there's a lot of things that I would
do sports wise if I went to Atlanta, and it
is on my on my bucket list to go. But
a lot of people have told me, have you been
to Atlanta, don't worry whenever you go, just get out
like that.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I can never get out fast snuff out of Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
So there's New York and it's just kind of like
they're like New York seems like the cool table in
high school, Like the cool kids are there where I
look at.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Atlanta, New York's gonna always win.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
That's but not just New York with Jackson. They look fun.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
They look like a breath of fresh air. All of
that is saying New York. I feel like the hype
is there with Atlanta. It's like, you have a good team,
but what about your quarterback? And I feel like that's
such a big issue. But there's all these other things like,
I really don't think it's a division. Maybe maybe it's
a closer gap.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Well, here's what I would push back and saying, who
wouldn't want to coach b John Robinson, right, who wouldn't
want to coach Drake London? Yes, Michael Penick has.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Just coached Derrick Henry, just coach Derek Henty.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Sure, So just like these gots Camp Scadboo and Elie Neighbors,
all of this young talent on the Giant side that
looks fun.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I think that the Falcons are fun. The question is
is the health of Michael Penis Junior coming back next season?
And so I don't think it's as clear cut that
the Giants that think have more pieces on defense that
you would like. But offensively, I think they can go
toe to toe with what the Giants provide and actually
are better because I think Bijon is magnificent and Drake London,
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if he's healthy, it's just a question of the quarterback.
So while you think it's a slam dunk with the
core of the players, I'm not saying the Giants don't
have a nice core, but I think that Atlanta could
rival that as well. And I'm just surprised that Harbaugh
would want to take on the New York media in
all of this the pressure cooker that is New York,
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where if you did go to Atlanta, maybe a little softer,
softer landing, you're not as much under the microscope. So
that was another twist, Like if you had to compare
the two, there's the New York media to deal with.
Maybe that's something that Harball wanted to bring on. But
I thought it was I just thought it was I
don't think that the jobs are that different, and so
(09:59):
the I'm trying to find the real reason. Why was
it money? Was it this? Was it that? And I
actually think maybe it's the actual road to having success.
Jason Stewart, he's our executive producer, He was not as
enthralled with this hire as Maazi and i Aron looking
at the different angles. Would enthralled be the right way
to put it.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Jason, Yeah, I don't know what the word is. I
guess enthralled, but like he's definitely the best candidate on
the market. But every single year there's going to be
the best candidate on the market. So that's why you
got to make a big deal out of this. My
question for you, guys, is this is this a big
splash hire, because in my mind, it's the safest hire.
(10:42):
The Giants are going to be celebrated for getting the
best candidate available. I think that he's probably going to
eventually make you a stable, winning franchise. That there's nothing
sexy about that, right. So when in my recent I
guess lifetime, the big splash hires to compare this too
would be John Gruden returning to the Raiders. We made
a huge deal out of that. It was a big deal.
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I would even put Jim Harbaugh as a most recent example.
Does he raised to that level or is this just
a very safe down the middle higher.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
For you guys. I think it was the easy higher.
I think that if you're Joe Shane and your job
is on the line, I think it's the easy higher.
I also don't think that he made the higher, to
be honest with you, I think ownership made the higher.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
That's the way it seems if you read between the
lines of the details of how this all went down yesterday,
I agree.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I think that it's a way of instead of taking
a risk on a young coordinator or a different coordinator,
something that they have done in the past, if you
were to look at at who had previously been there,
not even coordinators, just of other assistant coaches, of getting
someone with this track record, Veer's it's Tom Coughlin has
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been the name that has been brought up a lot
by NFL insiders and saying that the Giants are looking
for that Coughlin stability and Coaughlan had a successful run
with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Not eighteen years worth is John Harbaugh.
But I think that they were probably fed up with
going coordinator assistant coach sort of route, and this allowed
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them to not only not go that route, but when
we have the report cards coming out after this coaching cycle,
I think more grades than not, we'll say the Giants
got an A because they have a Super Bowl winning
head coach.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, I think it's like you said, the easy hire.
It's a win win for both.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
The Giants again are going to get the credit for
getting Harbaugh.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
And then Harbaugh goes into a.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Situation that seems like it's ready to take off. If
you went somewhere else, the expectation is like if you
let's just say he went to the Titans and it
didn't work out, it would be like you failed Cam
Mordan the Titans. There would be a different narrative if
he picked another team that had maybe not the pieces
as well as well set up as the Giants or
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even the Falcons, because I agree, I think the Falcons
are a good team. This is if you went somewhere else,
it would be more on him Like this, He's going
into a situation where you almost can't fail.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, if they if they lose, you just say like, ah,
that's the Giants and Joe Shane. They can never get
it right, Like John Harball was a victim of the Giants.
If he went to Atlanta and they didn't win and
he had a saying who the GM was, then you're
saying John Harball has lost his fastball.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So maybe it was easy for both. Maybe in that
way it was it was easy for both. But I
do think that he looks at the NFC East as
a path that maybe isn't as daunting. I mean, when
Arizona may not hire a coach until June, considering what
the Cardinals are gonna have to go up through in
that division, I mean, seriously, he was gonna be, Oh,
we get Sean McVay Kyle Shanahan and Mike McDonald. Thank
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you very much. Sam, you might as well apply, Like,
like who in the world is gonna want that job?
Somebody'd be like, there's only thirty two of them. Yeah,
but that's one like like right now, like you can
think of worse timing for an organization.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
That's not what you want to walk in.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
No, no, but when the report cards come out, it's
going to be an a for the New York Giants.
And this probably is you know, easyps for both sides.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
It really is, it really is.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Again, it just seems like he's walking into an ideal
situation and yeah, the others aren't.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
But for both win win, I.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Think Alata would be good. We just disagree on the
reasons why, and the Giants end up being the pick
of John Harball. But I think also Jason's right, it's
almost like this coaching search is greater on a curve
because of who is available and the names that are
out there. I mean there are names that are I
mean Jason Garrett on an interview right like, I mean,
that's that's where we're going in all of this. There
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doesn't seem to be a war between two teams people
are already finding their avenues of what team, what player
they like going here, and what player they're like going there.
With that connection, I think a lot of insiders will
probably be six of eight for their predictions or six
of nine for their predictions. Now that the Steelers one
is in, and if you haven't made it already, then
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it is eight because Harball is already in place. But
I think that, yeah, it was the the easy higher.
It's just I think John Harball thinks that the NFC
East is easier than what some might think.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
I haven't been I haven't stopped laughing internally about the
just thinking about how Iowa Sam would be as a
head coach in the NFL. Same we do think about
those meetings. So it's like long winded, Uh, I disagree,
And I think players falling asleep and trying to having
to wait, trying to keep it awake.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
And this is what I think it would be. I
think like in the film session, it would be Kyler
Murray like overthrowing Marvin Harrison Junior. And Sam would be like,
that's that's okay, Kyler, that's okay, that's okay. Those that
that that sometimes happens. It's football. Yeah, you sometimes miss it.
Or Marvin Harrison Junior drops a pass, that's okay, just
catch the next one. You've caught other ones before, Sam.
(15:53):
Do you think that would be?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Sam?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Right? I don't know why I'm catching all these.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I that isn't a bad big He's not astray. It's
not a straight at all.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
I think, first of all, I'd cut Kyler Murray on
my first I would, uh, I would. I'd rather have
Aaron Rodgers back in all of his baggage in oldness.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
So now I can see the headlines, Iowa Sam racist
question mark.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
No, he's just you know when he when he sits
down on a curb, his has his feet angle.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
That's all my fet Iowa Sam would have the ride arm.
They would be like, if you are shorter than this,
you are cut.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
You are cut.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
And it would be a five eight that's right. Yeah,
And so like Kyler Murray like it's like, hey, I
didn't do it to you this sign did.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
The good thing about those said coaching me is that
have it has incredible time timely bump music when he
comes in of the room and then he leaves it,
and then he would have drops being played in the
middle of his speeches.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Would you play they might be giants? The week you
play the Giants? Would that would that maybe be oh yeah,
that would be topic. It'll be music connected to the
next opponent. You know, Yeah, I get the soundtrack of
my coaching tenure. Iowa was Sam the next end coach
of the Cardinals. Again, you may get that opportunity because
no one's gonna take that job. I just imagine that.
(17:14):
All right, Okay, you're gonna start the year you're at LA,
then you have Seattle coming to town, and then then
you get to go to San Francisco and face forty
nine ers.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Can I be the person that makes sure you don't
get on the field, like the guy that Sean McVay has, get.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Back they get back? Can I be that true?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
You're hired? Gal.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Even if I made it like nine days on this job,
I'd still make so much money and like nine days
that I'd just be like, Okay, yeah, I got I
came here for something.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I'm not leaving empty handed. Kevin Burkhard I could say, well,
he wouldn't be doing Arizona Cardinal games, but if he did,
he would he would be saying and ioa Sam taking
over in his first year in Arizona. His assistant coaches
are all Ferences. Everybody is related to Kirk Farrence on
this also, when would get hired?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
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Speaker 2 (18:10):
Manzi would be singing the it's cold outside part. That
is for sure. She wants no part of what's happening
in Chicago on Sunday night. She is Monte Milanios, I'm
Dan Byer, this is Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
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Speaker 2 (18:38):
Temperatures being the single digits between the Rams and Bears
when they kick off in the final game of the
divisional playoff weekend in Chicago, It'll be a five to
thirty local time kickoff for the Bears, home to the
Los Angeles Rams. Weather today in southern California where we
are based, the home of the Rams, the RAMS headquarters
not too far from them, where our network headquarters are,
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maybe about a ten to fifteen minute drive down the freeways.
A nice seventy seventy five degree day, slight heavier breeze,
maybe because of some of the Santa Annas coming in,
but they're going to be going into Chicago and dealing
with these single digit temperatures that Manzi doesn't want anything
to do with. Sean McVay has no problem with it.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
You know how the actual just cold in general in
terms of how the ball feels. But last year was
a great example of you know, we had two really
cold games. But fortunately, you know, Matthew's played in these
conditions and so doesn't change. There's a couple of things
you have to be mindful of. But now you start
talking about wind, rain and how that really affects your footing,
stuff like that. But we always kind of adjust and
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adapt to you know, they got to be able to
play in those same sort of elements. They obviously have
had a little bit more experience, but we're not going
to allow that to be an excuse. And so I
think you do have to have a feel. But I
think the way that our guys play, I think it
suits us well in any sort of condition. And that's
kind of what we've always said.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
He has to say that, so you think that he
believes that there are issues.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
I think he hopes that there aren't, but that's what
he has to say. He can't admit that it's something
that it's even being entertained of how cold it's going
to be.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
He can't admit that. But you know they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
It, I'm sure, and they're going to be bundled up.
But remember what they did last year against Philadelphia, And
he mentioned the two cold weather games they had last year.
So they're playing the game against the Eagles and all
of a sudden it starts to snow and all hell
breaks loose and they can't hold onto the football and
the Eagles take charge. But then the Rams kind of
find their footing and are driving against Philadelphia with an
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opportunity to maybe win that game and pull out the upset.
They aren't able to do it, but they adapted at
that point. And the one thing that I think is
sometimes misunderstood when it comes to weather is we talk
about this a lot when it's a warm weather team
going to a cold weather spot. If this was Chicago
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in Green Bay last week, like it was on a
Saturday night, it wasn't as much of a discussion because
the both teams are playing. It's how is the warm
weather team going to do in the cold weather? But
the cold weather isn't like the Bears are living in
it and always practicing in it. They're not going to
practice an eight degree weather outside all week long. Now,
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maybe they'll do something outside, maybe they'll try to get
accustomed to it. That can happen, but it's people like,
how can you how can you live in this weather? Well,
it's not like you're outside for twelve hours of the
day when it's three degrees You usually inside. And so
while it's cold outside Mount Seat, nobody really loves the
cold unless you're going out ice fishing and snowmobiling. That's
(21:47):
how you end up embracing it. But nobody's like, man,
I'll love it when it's freezing cold. I can't fill
the ends of my fingertips, Like no, you work inside,
you go, you bundle your coat, you run to your car,
you turn on the heater. It's nice and warm in
there after a little while, and so it's not like
the Bears are fully equipped just because they're from the
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team from Chicago. There's still some getting used to the cold.
So my point being is it's gonna be cold for
the Bears too, and it's not gonna be as easy
for them as it would be if temperatures were nicer.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Matt Collins loves the cold, first of all. He's probably
the only one Mac Collins always you know what I'm saying,
But you're right.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I thought she said Matt Collins, and I'm like, who
is Matt Collins?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Sorry, he loves the cold. I still think there's an
advantage to it. I mean, this past season, Sam Darnold
didn't play that well in Carolina, where I think it
was one of the coldest games that he experienced this season,
and it's gonna be even colder. I'm not saying it's
going to the end all be All is the weather,
and it's in the favor of Chicago, but I do
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think it matters.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
They live in Chicago. They experience it on a day
to day basis.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Here in La it's like you're not used to that
and just showing up and having to play. I think
that's it's gonna be tough, especially you know.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
The Bears are hot. I know it's gonna be cool,
but they're hot right now.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, I think the Rams would rather be playing in
Los Angeles. I'm still at home in there.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I think they'd be playing in a lot of different areas,
not against a team who's hot and has just had
these wins where you're like, how did you do this?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
But you think they'd rather be playing in Seattle? I
do you think they'd rather face the Seahawks in better
conditions than playing I don't think it's I don't think
it's crazy. I don't agree with you, but I just
am surprised that you would think that.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
I just think that playing in Chicago and against the Bears,
there's a lot of unpredictability.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I feel like they play the seahawus.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
I were familiar with this, where you were used to this,
you know what I'm I feel like it's just more
familiar territory.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I feel if the Bears were a defensive team, it
would be a little different. But the Bears that relied
just as much on their offense, if not more, than
the Rams do. So that's why I think it could
be a Bears factor. Jason Stewart, native Southern Californian.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Yeah, I care more about out how sports are covered
in the actual sports themselves. So when I see a
headline on this at Pro Football Talk and I see
that reporters are asking McVeigh this question, I always just
kind of get disappointed in journalism because I guess it's
one of those things where we just run out of
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things ways to cover these teams. This is like the
low hanging fruit of narratives warm weather team, cold weather team.
Let's ask the coach of the warm weather team how
it impacts our team. It just seems to be so
lazy to me, and the fact that like a Pro
Football Talk even makes it a story to me is lazy.
And by the way, Sam, who loves his bump music,
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came back with a great one right. It was a
was it maybe It's cold outside? That was canceled ten
years ago because it's kind of but it's cold outside.
Why don't you check for yourself maybe it's cold out? Yeah,
So I did my own thing as we as we
can bind the rams head coach on the Bump song,
and it's like mcvaby it's cold outside. Mcvaby, it's cold outside.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I love it. I want to bring Chris purfet In.
You cover the Lions for years. They're oh yeah, cold
weather city, but they play indoors.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Any history with the Lions having issues with the cold weather.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
I do know they do have.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
So it's funny you say that, but I know in
Allen Park, where their practice facilities are they are, they
do have an outdoor field and they pointedly make a
point to go out and practice in the cold. I
was actually trying to look up Stafford's record in cold
weather games before the Rams, because the one that always
comes up is the one and nine with the Rams.
I couldn't dig it up, but I mean that would
always still come up with him when he was in
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Detroit was well, they play in a dome, and it's like, yeah,
but they can practice outside too.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Here's what also happens is like teams don't have great
records because they're not great teams.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, that's that's the other part of that. Yeah, yeah,
that's well, that's why you didn't win. You weren't that good.
Like it doesn't matter that the temperature was below whatever.
The Dolphins and just there struggles in history are the
reason why I think Jason Stewart it's a story. But
like when you go and play a frigid game in
Kansas City and you don't know if Tua has the
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arm strength to throw the football or throw the rock
because it literally is a rock for how cold it
is out there, that does become a storyline in the game.
So I think it's legitimate in those situations. But sometimes
the team just isn't good enough. And I remember the
reason I brought up the Lions too, is we remember
what happened in the final week of the year when
green Bay need to get into the playoffs a couple
years ago. The Lions come in the lines win that
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game in cold weather. It was cold there and they're
the indoor team, but they're kind of used to it. It
didn't affect them.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
Something that would always come up near the end of
the year.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Two.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
First off, you're always playing that one cold weather game
in green Bay against you know, Aaron Rodgers to your point,
but also Stafford usually by the end of the year
with the Lions, because he didn't have a lot of
offensive line help, usually ended up banged up as well.
So suddenly you've got a cold weather game on top
of the fact that his hand is mangled, or he's
been smacked in the side, or that one year where
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his back was broken, And so instead of talking about that,
we talk about how he does in a cold weather
game on the top of it.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And I'll just I'll wrap it up by saying this,
once you get maybe even through the first half of
the first quarter, you get through the first quarter, it's over.
Like you're just so focused on the game and you've
adapted to the conditions. It's not like in the fourth
quarter they're like, oh, he didn't catch the ball because
he lives, you know, in Calabasas, Like, that's not the
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reason why. It's not that he's from southern California, and
it's not that the Bears are making the plays because
they're in the cold weather. At first, it's a shock.
You try to get used to it. But once the
game goes on, and that's really in any conditions, you
end up altering. I don't think it becomes a factor
once the game, the game can rolls on.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
What do you got, god, I say, then you go
to halftime, and then you go inside, and then you
warm up and you.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Have to go back out again. Let's start it all over.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
That's those things warm coats on the side, you got
the the heat lamps and all the stuff too.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
That's thinks when you go to the mall. But in
the game, like you're you can adjust. Sam.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Forgive me if you brought this up already, but I
mean our most recent example of this actually being a
thing anecdotally being like proven is Tua right.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Did you guys mention too?
Speaker 6 (28:16):
I'm sorry, but yeah, you notice the difference that he
how he plays and how the Dolphins play in general.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I just said, that's the reason why I think that
this is a story. I think the Rams last year
almost beating the Eagles would prove that they're able. They're
capable to what Sean McVay said. But I do think
like a situation like the Dolphins where my got you
yeah no, and they played that cold weather game against
the Chiefs, why it continues to be a story. She's
Wonty Belanos. I'm Dan Byer.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
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Speaker 2 (28:50):
John Harbaugh is headed to New York. The Rams are
heading to the chill of Chicago. Is it gonna matter?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
H how cold? Is it going to be single digits?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
It's normal, It's not it is, it's normal. It just
may not be normal for the Rams. And is that
a big deal or not?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Exactly? It is a big deal.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
All stuff that we will discuss coming up here on
Fox Sports Radio. Chris Perpetus here, so is Jason Stewart
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To travel and not call this Kawhi fines two three,
but two full time.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
The whole Wizard's fence is on their feet, really upset.
They felt like Kawaii crambled. He did not and bound
finds Anthony.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Gil He'll just hang on.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
The Clippers.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Eleven oh their last thirteen games.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
They handle Wizards and beat the team from the Nation's Capital.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
One nineteen till one oh five behind thirty three and
a career high time seven May threes from Cohi Leonard,
you might as well be playing the Washington Generals A
five seventy LA Sports Clippers Radio Network Wizards Generals basically
the same thing is always lose.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
They just always you know the Washington.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Generals are with your shirt? You should know who they are, right,
They're the team that play the Harlem Globetrotters and always lose.
That's right, that's the Washington Generals.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
It was like, why do I know that name?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Wazi's sporting a Savannah Banana's T shirt? Tom, Do they
have other team gear with the Savannah Bananas?
Speaker 4 (30:48):
What do you mean other teams like the team that
they play, Like, don't they proh like the firefighters?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:53):
I think there were firefighter things there when I went,
but I was obviously gonna get.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
To Obviously, absolutely I get it, and that league is expanding.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Firefighters are just for Halloween.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Hit her up at Monte Bolagno's Find Me at dan
Byer on Fox Earlier this week in Arizona, a record
was shattered. I don't I want to make this clear.
I am not going to sit here for the next
fifteen to twenty minutes and criticize a seventeen year old
or eighteen year old athlete in high school. It's everything
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that goes around what happened in this high school basketball
game in Arizona. Guard by the name of Adrian Stubbs,
playing for Phoenix Maryvale High School set an Arizona record
earlier this week by scoring one hundred points. Wow, in
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a game. The Wilt Chamberlain of high school basketball scored
one hundred points in a game, and I was curious
to read the details. Seventy points in the first half,
he had thirty more in the third quarter, and Monty
didn't even play in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
So that's it's awesome stuff. And I don't want to
take away from the kid. Final score one oh nine
to twenty five.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
And that's problem number one.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
The record that was broken. Nicomannion, we know from Arizona
Wildcat Fame, had the record for Class six A scoring
fifty seven points in a game. The all time Arizona
record in all class basketball was seventy five that was
held since nineteen sixty six. Was when the seventy five
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points were scored in a game, and on Tuesday, the
Nico Manyon record it was not only shattered, it was
obliterated in a game where a team won by eighty
four points. And this is I'm not criticizing the kid, no,
I just am trying to find the the goodness for
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everyone involved, because I just don't know if having a
kid score one hundred points in an eighty four point
blowout is good for anybody involved in that game.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
I don't disagree with you, Dan. When I first heard
the headline, I was like, oh, let's look into this,
because records are meant to be broken. I feel that way.
I would love to break a record. But then when
you get into the details of how this happened, You're like,
why did you even play in the third quarter?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Why? What is the point of this?
Speaker 4 (33:42):
You scored one hundred out of the one hundred and
nine points for your team. I was hoping it was
gonna be like a guy scored one hundred points in
a close game where they.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Won one thirty to one twenty five, and then I
would be like, oh my God, how awesome.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yes, And instead I'm over here just like better, why
why did you play in the second half at all?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
And this is where I like, I think the if
the teammates around him. By the way, if you just
do the math, no one on the winning team scored
in double digits. You had one guy in triple digits,
and then you had the rest of the team scoring
nine points. So there's not only that, there's a concerted
effort to have. By the way, it is not uncommon.
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It is actually more of the norm where you have
one amazing player on a team and they get a
lot of the action, they score a lot of the points,
and the other players fill in their spots. Sometimes they
benefit from its scoring higher games, but it's usually not.
Someone scores one hundred and then the next highest score
scores six. But the players had to be in on
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it as well. If no one is taking shots, and that,
to me then is coaching, because it's obviously coming from
the coaches in saying let's get this guy the record.
They admit it that the the player, Adrian Stubbs, had
scored fifty six in a previous game this season or
last season, so he was one shy of the record.
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So getting the record of the Class six A in
Arizona was a goal of theirs, and it probably should
be to help their teammate get that goal. I just
you can't do it in a game where you win
by eighty four points. And that's my problem with it
is somebody there has to be an adult, somebody has
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to say, Okay, this is a little too much, because
it takes active thinking to say he's going to get
one hundred. Right, he didn't play in the fourth quarter.
That was the decision that was made. Your point, Monty
has spot on. The decision was made to play in
the third quarter when he had already broken the record.
So now then you continue with what you're going for.
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If you want to break the record and he came
close last time, and maybe there was a bad call
or whatever, that's fine, break the record. You don't have
to obliterate the record and obliterate the other team while
doing so. I just this to me is I know
high school hoops is a different game, but this, to
me is just not good at any level of play whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Nobody reads that story and is impressed by the end
of it. People are just questioning Why did you do that?
How did you walk away from that patting yourself on
the back because there was no competition and you broke
the personal record that you were trying to get.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Before the third quarter. So I agree with you, Dan.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Where is the coaching in this, because again, this isn't impressive.
Nobody's gonna look at this and reach out to this
coach and have them on a show to discuss how
amazing this, you know, record break breaking was. It's not impressive.
I'm not impressed at all.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
The teammates didn't score until the second half. He scored
all the points in the first half, and the Adrian
stubs the player. I don't want to. I just I
have a tough time being critical of it, teenager. I
just have I'm just very critical of this whole situation.
He admitted. He's like, my guy's just passed me the
ball all the time. The guy's got the steals, and
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they would pass me the ball. But I don't know
why there isn't an adult anywhere that says, all right,
this is cool and all, but let's let's be respectful
of what this is because it sure feels like it's
gaming the system.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Jason Stewart, our executive producer.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
So if we said this coach's name yet, Jeremy Smith,
Jeremy Smith, Merrivale's head coach, Jeremy Smith, You're an a hole,
That's what I would say. Anybody who's played competitive sports
knows that there's a certain decorum. There's a word called sportsmanship,
and I just wanted to look up the definition so
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that maybe Derek Smith never looked it up, or Jeremy
Smith's yeah, and no, no, his brother Dick Smith.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
Fair and generous behavior or treatment of others, especially in
a sports contest.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Fair?
Speaker 5 (37:57):
What was fair and or generous about this behavior by
the coach that leaves his kid in the game to
pile on another team that's already getting their ass kicked.
To me, this is like a fireable offense if you're saying,
where are the adults of the room, whatever the school's
athletic director is or head of boosters or the PTA president,
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whoever is the adult, should should move to fire this person.
This is setting the worst possible example for future men.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
I can't I just can't wrap my head around to
Manzie's point of coming out of halftime and being like,
let's have him get one hundred, right, right, so he doesn't. Yeah,
so what you did in the fourth quarter, because just
simple math would tell us if you don't play in
the fourth quarter and you have one hundred points, then
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their team scored less than nine points or less in
the fourth quarter. So you can turn it off. You
can't turn it off. You can turn it down, you
can let other guys do whatever. But if this guy
scores one hundred, I'm guessing unless they're you know, maybe
the team around him isn't the strongest, and that that
happens in high school. I'm not gonna blame them, But
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did they turn it off because they were winning by
so much? Or did they turn it off because their
team couldn't make baskets? And I don't think that they
couldn't make baskets. I think that they turned it off consciously,
which makes everything that happened in the whole game that
much worse. I also just can't stand the fact if
you have now obliterated a record, that is going to
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take someone else doing this to be able to break it.
Manzi's point of him scoring one hundred points in a
high school game where it's one thirty to one eighteen
was probably a long shot, but we had hopes that
maybe that was the case. Now that's the type of
game that's gonna happen unless you're gonna beat someone one
hundred and eighteen to four and have your star players
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or one hundred and five points. So you've had this
record that has stood since nineteen sixty six of seventy
five points, and said, hold on, not only are we
gonna break that one, and we're gonna break the record
that we wanted to break earlier this year of fifty seven,
we are gonna put it so far out of reach
that no one else can even have the glory or
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honor of trying to win this break this record, and
that part is even uglier. On top of doing what
they did to this team that lost by eighty four points.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
You're taking away the fun of it of chasing a
record that seems attainable. And also, someone is gonna drop
in the future, let's say seventy five points in a game, right,
and it's gonna be a close game, and that game
is going to be remembered because this is gonna become
something that's not taken seriously, like it's just not we.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Can't take this seriously.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
This is a joke, and you made a joke of
the game, Like Jason Stewart is saying, I agree with you,
how this this is a joke of the game, of competition,
of the records, and I just don't I don't get
what you walked away from that feeling good.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Of all the things that Barry Bonds may not be
liked for, the seventy three home runs in a season
is the part that makes me the most mad. It's
not the all time mark. You could say whatever you want.
It's the point of what we had. Aaron Judge hit
sixty two, and now everybody's hitting homers in Major League
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Baseball and we're still eleven away from tying the record, right,
so Judge hits sixty two, we phrase it in the
AL record. Well, no one's gonna get the NL slash
MLB record because it's so far out there. And so
for all the things of what Balco and Barry Bonds represented,
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and I may not be as passionate against them as
others are, the thing that does make me mad is
we will not have an opportunity to see someone break
the single season home run record unless something like a
Barry Bond sort of situation happens again, which is the
same thing would happen in Arizona in a high school
gym this week.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
And when you even look at it like that, I
know it's very hard, but there is a chance we
may see someone hit seventy three. There is a chance
eleven eleven home runs over the course of the season.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
The way the way you know, maybe the balls are
changing and offense is going. It can happen. This other
record it legit. I don't know if it can be
broken like legit.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Can a high schooler score one hundred and one points
unless you literally do the same thing again.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
It's gonna be this guy again.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Games system, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
He's gonna it's gonna be the same guy. He's gonna
play the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
What What's it's such? It's such a bad example, uh,
to everyone involved. I don't know if there are parents
that were watching the game that were behind it. And
I think that the the kid is sitting there saying,
my teammates want this. I want to do it for
my team. We see this in the NFL. I want
to get the rushing record for my five guys who
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block for me. That's fine. That's I understand that portion
of it. And I think probably in their eyes they're
saying he gave credit to his teammates. The teammates are like, yeah,
all right, our guy got this, we got a part
of this. But there's another team. There's other teams in
the future that you that will have to deal with.
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None of that was taken into consideration. And I don't
put that on the shoulders of the fifteen, sixteen, and
seventeen year olds. I put it on the shoulders of
Jeremy Smith and the adults in the room, or the
adults in the gymnasium, and and heck you mas I
hadn't play the fourth quarter part right, Yeah, I mean
it seems like it's almost even just pity otherwise considering
that you felt like this was the need that let's
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get them a hundred. He had I understand the fascination
with the number. It's just it's just such an awful look.
And honestly, the article that I read about it was
lifting it up. It seems felt like it was an
uplifting story, and I just didn't find a lot uplifting
from it. And I think when you look back and
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the kids look back when they're older, they're going to
kind of understand what actually transpired and maybe why the
adults in the room failed them on that night.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
The opposing team, I don't even I can't even imagine
being the parents of the opposing team in that situation
and seeing your kids be embarrassed like that. Like I
would have just been like, why are we playing? You
know what I'm saying, like, this is why I'm not
having kids, guys, because I will be fighting on the court.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Will be in that situation.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Yeah, there would be some teams that maybe someone would
take offense absolutely go up for a hard follow up.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Absolutely, No, it's ugly. It's ugly, and it makes no sense.
Speaker 6 (44:41):
It's ugly, And I don't disagree with you guys. You
know about a lot of this stuff, especially a sportsmanship angle.
But this is not without presidens. Iowa's own women's basketball
coach Jan Jensen in nineteen eighty Guests seven scored one
hundred and five points in a game that was six
on six girls basketball. And then our very own Jack
Taylor out of Grenell College Division III, he scored let's see, uh,
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he scored one hundred and thirty eight points in a game.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, but Grinell would score two hundred points.
Speaker 6 (45:06):
I know, but it's like, yeah, but this was I
mean he had fifty eight at half time. I mean,
just like there's this happens. It's just for different reasons.
People have different motivations behind this.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Grinell was the story for a while in sports because
of how they played, because of those huge numbers. But
what were the final scores of their games? It was
like two eleven to like one to fifty three or
something in this particular game.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Different.
Speaker 6 (45:27):
In this particular game they won by seventy five. So
it was one one seventy nine to one oh four.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
So I mean you can say around different. That's still
sound way.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
Different, no, I know, but like, yeah, back in the day,
people didn't care about this stuff. You're gonna Jan Jensen
goes out and scores one hundred and five points. I
don't know if many people were licking their wounds afterward.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I I just I think that. And I don't know
what the score of that Jan Jensen game was. I
was looking for it happened they won probably by one
hundred and ten.
Speaker 6 (45:51):
Probably, And that's that's probably With women's and girls basketball,
as it gets really even in college at Division one level,
it can get really out of hand.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
I also Jan jents And was a top player. And
this is the point that we made earlier. A lot
of schools have one player where they're just better than everybody.
It's probably taller than everyone. In the scoring. That wasn't
even the three point yo, there's different rules. And yeah,
there was this half court I get. I don't know.
She didn't have to play defense. It was six on six. Yeah,
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like Grinell, they're chucking up threes. It's part of the
pace of the game. This is one of the thing
that was pointing out that he scored one hundred by
only having six threes. You know, so like this is
a so this is, you know, a part of the competition.
But scoring one hundred and four points in the game
that you lose by seventy is a lot different than
scoring twenty four points in a game that you lose
by eighty four. And it's also the pace of the
play and you're probably not conditioned enough to keep up.
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And I would assume that the score just continues to
get larger and larger as it goes on. This game
was probably forty eight to scored thirty five in the
first quarter. It was thirty five to two, probably at
the first quarter.
Speaker 6 (46:52):
I think if I was in the crowd watching this,
I'd start to feel sick after a while, like, yeah,
I didn't I said, I didn't disagree with you guys.
The sportsmanship aspect is the rough part of all of this,
and just start of you're watching something unfold and at
some point, yeah, when do you do step forward and
be like, hey, maybe just need to like it.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
And this opportunity is what it is, Like, this was
the opportunity to actually show the players what sportsmanship is.
If you was to get pushback from those players, like man, coach,
let's let's get them to one hundred, then you could
pull them aside and be like, this is why we're
not going to do this tonight. In this game, We're
kicking their ass. I'm pulling off the dogs. I'm just
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pulling it off. That's what you're supposed to do. And
by the way, I think the listeners are probably wondering
how many points did the Warriors score the night or
the Sixers the Warriors the night that well, Chamberlain scored
one hundred. It was one hundred and sixty nine points. Okay,
would you believe this? The top three scoring games of
all time is Wilt at one hundred, Kobe at eighty one,
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and then Wilt at seventy eight. Two of those three
were done in losses. I didn't know that interesting. Yeah,
I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
When you see, like in the NFL, you have like
a five hundred yard passing game, most of those are
done and losses because your team's behind, you're throwing the
football and maybe you make a comeback and you're still
throwing the football. But that that's interesting. And so those
were competitive basketball games where where players were actually at
their best. Tell you another thing, where if the player
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would have broken the record at fifty eight, maybe the
next game he tries to break it at sixty right right,
then there's more of a feeling of accomplishment here. Yes,
it feels like it's a very empty record to just
try to rack it up yourself, like there would have
been competition. Maybe maybe you do on your own in
a competitive game break the all time state mark of
seventy five for whatever crazy you know reason that is.
(48:46):
But it sure feels like they try to take advantage
of the school that they were playing and do it
to their own benefit, and nobody won in this situation.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
Empty. I like that you said that. You said that,
It's like, how satisfying is this? Really? You're going to
tell people about this?
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (48:59):
And then it's again not the kid, but like the coach,
you're you're gonna tell people about Yeah, my kid on
my team scored one hundred points and we crushed this
team one hundred two whatever, twenty five thirty five.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
It was like, how is this satisfying?
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (49:11):
I have no idea at all. If I was the
other coach, I would have just I don't know if
they have a shot clock in Arizona. I assume that
they do, because otherwise at one point I would have
just held the ball at half court. Yeah, been like right,
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