May 14, 2025 • 39 mins
Big Ben talks about Pete Rose & Shoeless Joe Jackson getting reinstated back into baseball, Jayson Tatum undergoing surgery to repair his torn Achilles, Maller to the Third Degree, Password: Word Game of the Stars, and more!
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Speaker 3 (01:46):
What you didn't start with an NBA game?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
What's wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
All?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
My guys? The playoffs?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
You know?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Like basketball?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Shut up? So I made an editorial decision. I made
an editor editorial decision. And normally we start with basketball
all the night rant and somebody'd be in the vomit
comment and that would be that, and I'd move on
and then we take calls, and that's normally how it goes.
But this night different than all other nights. Why is
this night different than all other nights. Well, I've made
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an editorial decision. It's not every day that lifetime bands
are over done.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
And players are welcome back.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
And this is a story that has kind of followed me,
if you will, since I got into the talk radio
world when I was a young lad back in the day.
So I thought it was an interesting story, and I
think it's worth some conversation here at the start, and
we'll get into the basketball games. We've got four hours
of nonsense. That's a long time to talk. That's a
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lot of talk, so plenty of time to get to everything.
But I want to start with the baseball And I
assume you've heard about now, but possibly you live in
a box and you have not heard. We really love
people that live in shoeboxes. It's good for us. So anyway,
Major League Baseball, if you missed it, major League Baseball's commissioner.
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We like to call him Rob Manfraud. But Rob Manford
has removed Pete Rose from the ineligible lists. He's back,
He's also dead. Also, welcome back, shoeless Joe Jackson, also dead.
There's a theme if you're dead and your band Rob
(03:30):
Manford likes you. Welcome back, Welcome back. Now you're dead,
but you're back. The permanent ineligible list of Major League Baseball.
You've got a bunch of deceased players, but the headline
Joe Jackson. There were movies made many years ago, and
I don't know how many people today even tho who
Joe Jackson was shoeless Joe Jackson. But Pete Rose shoeless
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Joe Jackson. Couple of figures in baseball's past that have
been welcome back now as a result, and you don't
be the lead, my man. All right, I'm not gonna
bear lead. So as a result, here it's really about
Pete Rose. Pete Rose, major League Basseboll's all time hit leader.
He's he's now eligible, as it is shoeless Joe Jackson
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eligible for election to the Baseball Hall of Fame. Keep
in mind that President Trump helped get this done. The
President met with Rob Manford recently, and all of a sudden,
shortly after that, wonder what kind of deal they worked out?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Hey, let Pete back in.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
We'll let you continue to screw fans over with the
nickel and dime Major League Baseball TV package. Who knows,
but either way, Rob Manford has done it. He has
removed Pete Rose from the ineligible list. So let us
discuss the question for the esteem panel. How do you
dissect Rob Manford's decision to let Pete Rose and these
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other dead players, including shoeless Joe Jackson back into baseball.
So I've got profit, I've got blue ribbon and home depot,
and we will combine all of these things together and
we're gonna make a line drive base it up the middle.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
That's what we're gonna make, all right.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So the word I have for this I didn't ask
for a word, But the word I have for this
move by Rob Manford to allow Pete Rose back in baseball,
my word is cosmetic.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
That is my word.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
It is a cosmetic move by Rob Manford. Now I
mentioned this is a nostalgias story. That's why I'm starting
to show with it. So when I started in radio,
I was a young lad. I was a teenager and
I walked into the radio station in San Diego, the
mighty six ninety man. I thought this was the big leagues, right,
this is seventy seven thousand watt radio station in San Diego.
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It was a border blaster station. The transmitter was actually
in Mexico and it blasted all over it. And at
that time, before the Interweb, it was a big deal.
And I remember I was an intern for this guy,
Lee Hacksaw Hamilton, who was like my men Tour, one
of my mentors in radio. And at that time it
had only been a few years. I'm dating myself, but
it had only been a few years since Pete Rose
had been banned from baseball, And I learned quickly from
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observation that when you had a slow day, I was
a young whipper snapper, when you had a slow day
in sports radio and you wanted to stir things up,
what you did is you said, hey, Pete Rose, did
he bet on baseball? Should he be banned from baseball?
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Should they remove the band? And then you give out
the number, and the phones light up like a Christmas tree,
And it was for years. It was the go to conversation.
It was the go to conversation, and everything went light up,
and people had very strong opinions both ways, both ways
on that. So I look at this as cosmetic now
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because yeah, Rob Manford will get some brownie points, he'll
get some brownie points for this. Reinstating Pete Rose at
this point, if you do the calculus on this using
the Mallard man, it's a pr win for baseball. Yeah,
there are some people complaining and ranting and saying, you know,
Pete's a scumbag and shouldn't be welcome back and all
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that stuff, but they the old timers, the old timers,
and I still occasionally get a call it Pete Rose
with a Hall of Fame I mentioned dick In Dayton's
name here earlier, and that's the number one Pete Rose fan.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
I know the number there.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
But for me, the idea of putting Pete Rose back
on the eligible list is a fruitless endeavor.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
It's a fruitless endeavor.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
And here's why they have both left this Pete Rose
and truthless Joe Jackson have left this mortal coil.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
They're dead.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
And it always, it's always annoyed me when you celebrate,
like the Hall of Fame, when they put people in
who are like, I'm dead, you know, it's like, Okay,
celebrate people while they're alive. I'm a big celebrate people
while they're alive person. Pete Rose died seven months ago,
in September of last year. Shoeless Joe Jackson, he has
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been dead for seventy three years. He died in nineteen
fifty one. Okay, so he's been going for a while.
And Pete Rose, the whole Charlie Hustle thing and all that,
and there were generation of fans but that worshiped Pete
Rose played forever. And while Pete is known as Charlie Hustle,
he gets another nickname in death. Pete the Prophet. Now,
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we mentioned this in a previous episode of the show.
Is it true that Pete Rose, in what could have
been his final interview, his final interview before he died,
mentioned this very thing happening, mentioned this very outcome well
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ten days before Pete Rose left this world that we
all share. Pete Rose said, just ten days before he died,
that he wouldn't make the Baseball Hall of Fame until
after he died. He said it, He said it ten
days before he left us, and Rose was spitting mad.
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He said, if I'm gone, it don't matter. Pete Rose said,
who the f wants to go in when you're dead?
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Ding ding ding ding ding. That's a good hot take
by Pete And I agree with him. I I absolutely agree.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Now, I had heard early on that the world of
baseball was never going to allow Pete back while he
was alive, because the generations were upset. They felt he
played a role in the death of Bart Giamani, who
had been the commissioner for a very short time, even
though Bart was overweight and had all kinds of problems.
But anyway, so fine, So there you go, Pete Rose,
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the Prophet. Pete the Prophet predicted this, and as far
as Joe Jack Action and Pete Rose, there were movies
made and about both, and documentaries books written about all
this stuff. And I know in the early days of
Fox Sports Radio, there's a restaurant. We're at the corner
of Venturins to Palvity here in the valley, and right
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across the street there was an Italian restaurant. And when
I started at this company, every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and
Thursday you could find Pete Rose holding court at the
bar at this Italian restaurant.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Everyone knew it. If you want to see Pete, go
over there. Pete'll be over there.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
He'll be having drinks and a bunch of other old
ballplayers would be hanging out from his era in the
in the sixties and the seventies. They'd be hanging out
with Pete and they just tell old war stories while
they had cocktails and appetizer. And then Pete eventually just
moved to Vegas because he was making so much money
selling autographs. He just moved there full time. But for
years he lived right you know, live right here and
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was right across the street. Now, where does the Pete
Rose Hall of Fame movement go? Now there's there's something. Well,
he's in the Hall of Fame. You know, he's not
in the Hall of Fame. He hasn't been put in
the Hall of Fame. So where Pete Rose in death
goes in terms of a campaign for the Hall of
fame red tape bureaucracy. Those are words you can use,
red tape bureaucracy. There is no sense of urgency and
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why would there But he's dead, You're not coming back.
So Pete Rose was banned from baseball.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
In nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
It's been a minute for gambling on the Cincinnati Reds
and while he was managing the team and the legend
when he didn't bet on the Reds that let everyone
know who was taking the bets, that he didn't think
they were gonna win.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
But the National Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, York
made him ineligible from induction, and that was in nineteen
ninety when that was his first year eligible because he
was a player manager in Cincinnati. And as we understand it,
again trying to keep up on all the details of
us as we under standard, the rank and file Baseball
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scribes and our buddies like Rob Parker and the baseball
writers who love to have that ballot and vote, they
will not get the vote on this. Pete Rose's future
for the Hall of Fame ultimately will be decided by
a handpicked blue ribbon panel. You know, I love blue
ribbon panels. I love a good blue ribbon panel. So
that will consist of ten to twelve reps, handpicked that
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will decide the Historical Overview Committee.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
That just sounds like bureaucracy.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
The Historical Overview Committee will develop a ballot of eight names.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
We assume Pete Rose will be on there.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
The Classic Baseball Era Committee will evaluate the candidates and
those that had the greatest impact on the game before
nineteen eighty and no vote, though, will take place before
December of twenty twenty seven, which means.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
The earliest Pete.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Rose would have there'd be a ceremony to honor he's dead,
but to honor Pete would be in the summer of
twenty twenty eight. So here we are in twenty twenty five,
in May, so you got to get through the rest
of this year twenty six twenty seven, so we're looking
at over three years and that's the quickest as I
understand it, this could happen.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Now.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Was Pete Rose guaranteed of being elected to the Hall
of Fame?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
No, he's not. Even with this, he's not. There are
sure to be some that will hold grudges. I've already
seen some hot take artists out there, the artists in
of the hot take that have said no, no, no, no, no,
Pete Rose is a scumbag, He's a dope, He's a loser.
That's the counter argument. It's hard to fight that. You
Pete was a shady guy, and so it's you know,
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I don't really care about the tax return thing.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
There was an incident in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
He was actually doing TV stuff and he was accused
of statutory rape. There was a counter earlier. There's no
to my notgs, there was no criminal charger. There was
an accusation that was made. So do that with what
you want. And now the last word here. So, assuming
this does go the way it's going, and Pete ultimately
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wind up into the Hall of Fame at some point here,
even though he's dead, what does Pete Rose being given reinstatement.
Let's focus on this being given reinstatement to Major League
Baseball do for the guys like Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens,
the steroid people of Baseball who are also not in
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the Hall of Fame. Even though there are steroid players
in the Hall of Fame, players that we are relatively
confident did steroids but are allowed in there are not
on the naughty list, but Barry Bonds is on the
natty list, and Roger Clemens and several other of these cats.
So on the surface, after a minutes long Mallard deliberation
on the Ben Malor Show, we have determined that this
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does bupkus for Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Sammy Sosa, that
vintage of player now Barry Bonds and his steroid brethren
of that era. The issue is they're not banned from baseball.
They're not banned. It's just done on the down low.
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It's on the DL right, the down low, and their
persona non grata for the Hall of Fame. However, here's
the interesting wrinkle to this. What this Pete Rose update
does do for Barry Bonds and the other steroid players,
the other pd pals, is it provides them a road
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map on how to get into Cooperstown and without being Macab,
which means I'm going to be Macabb. Barry Bonds and
these other cats need to go down to Home Depot
and buy a bucket. And at some point we know
the endgame on life. We know how it ends. We
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don't know when it's gonna end. We know how it's
going to So at some point Barry Bonds and everyone else,
once they kick the bucket, then all of a sudden,
well we're going to a panel together. We'll put these
guys in the Hall of Fame. But you got to
kick the bucket. So go get bucket at Home Depot,
kick the bucket.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
There you go. It is the Ben Mahlor Show.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
If you would like to be part, you can join
us right now and give us your reaction. There are
people very upset. I don't understand, like upset that Pete
Rose was allowed. But he's dead. He's not going to
do anything more to embarrass anyone. He's gone, so I
just think it's kind of pointless to put him in now.
And as Pete said himself ten days before he died,
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who wants to go in the Hall of Fame when
they're dead?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
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so our lead this hour is from pro Bouncy Ball,
and we're going to start out here with yesterday's rumors
turning out to be two days and news now. Years ago,
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I had a gossip blog. I was in the blogger sphere.
It was one of the early bloggers.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I gave that up for the joy of overnight talk radio.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
But one of the things we did there we did
a lot of rumors, uff gossip, and oftentimes it started
out as a rumor and then before you knew it, it
became reality. And so whispers in hush tones have yet
again turned out to be true. If you did not hear,
maybe not. The Celtics made it official. They put the
rubber stamp on it and Nana.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Laaaa hey, goodbye.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Unfortunately, Jason Tatum, that's it, see you later, goodbye, Jason Tatum,
Celtics star. He's Dunskies underwent surgery. They said he was
gonna have an MRI. He had surgery. As he went
snap crackle pop or ruptured in this case his achilles
tendon and that operation happening on Tuesday afternoon. He suffered
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the injury late in the fourth quarter, less than three minutes.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
To go in the game.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
In Game four, Celtics at the time were down by
nine to the Knicks. They ended up losing that game,
and now they are on the brink of elimination, trying
to stave off elimination when they play the Knicks again
here coming up hours from now. But that's not the story.
The story here is Jason Tatum. So the cas are
now going to lead on. We're gonna lean on Jalen Brown.
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What can Brown do for? You could actually step up here.
He's been a little shaky, a little shaky after being
the big man on campus for the Celtics last year
when they won the championship.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
He's supposedly the star.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
A to B and or beat A wait, either way
you want to say it, but Jalen Brown trying to
save the Celtics in Game number five. Teams that are
leading three games to one in the NBA Playoffs have
won ninety five point six percent of the time. I
think that's even higher now because Indiana was up three
to one, so he can check on another one. There's
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only thirteen teams that have come back from that deficit.
But that is secondary. Jason Tatum, one of the big
stars in the NBA, go to the grocery store. For
a long time, we saw him on the face of ruffles.
He was selling you potato chips.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
And now he is.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
He's down, he's out, See you later, Goodbye the Celtics.
I always love this part of the story. They say
the operation was successful. They say it was successful. No
timetable was availab All right. So Tatum, who's about hasn't
happened yet. He's about to be named to his fourth
consecutive All NBA team, and when that happens, he'll be
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one of just forty three players. That's it, forty three
players the history of that sport, the NBA. Forty three
players that have made that many Wall having turned twenty
seven coming up, but just in March turned twenty seven.
So let us discuss the question, what are your thoughts
on today's developments involving Jason Tatum, the Achilles operation and what.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
All of this means.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
So I've got animation, garage, band, and atomic and we
will combine all of.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
These things together and we are going to get a.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Delicious seafood dinner. Now, my friends in Boston say, you
got those great seafood restaurants. Every time I'm in Boston.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
I don't like seafood, so don't I don't need your
little seafood restaurants.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
All right, So first of all, my first on this
on today's developments is get out the charcoal barbecue because
it's grilling season and the Celtics are porked that I
put that right on the grid.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
They're screwed.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I also love the successful operation, which just means he
didn't die during the operation right the anesthesia. He didn't die.
He's alive, So it was successful. And I know firsthand
back in the day when I was around the locker
rooms a lot, that I had multiple players who come
up with that operation. It wasn't successful. I'm not as good.
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I didn't fix it, and then these guys have to
have another operation a lot, so you don't really know
if it was like successful until Jason Tatum gets back
out in the court and ends up playing very well,
and in that point you can say it's successful. But
you know, it's like a lot of people are trying
to be playing positive and up beat and all this stuff.
But I'm not last I checked. I'm not Willy Wonka.
We don't need your sugarcoat it here. This becomes an
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animation situation for Jason Tatum and the Celtics, a suspended animation,
if you will. The doctors elected. We are told to
go right away into the operating room because that tends,
they said, tends to lead to a more favorable outcome.
The math is not particularly great on this. That tells
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you what has happened, not what's going to happen. Jason
Tatum is not expected to play another regular season basketball
game or playoff game. The earliest is October of twenty
twenty six, So October of twenty he's out the entire
season and they'll be ready to go possibly then by
that time. Though by the time Tatum's back, think about
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the fact that two new champions are going to be named.
The Celtics aren't going to win this year, so somebody
else can win this year, and then next year somebody
else is gonna win, So two new champions and will
have been crowned. These Celtics will have made a bunch
of roster moves very unlikely.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Al Horford, for.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Example, or Holiday are going to be on the Celtics
by the time that Tatum returns, and even Tatum's a.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Wild card by that point.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You don't know, you don't know what, you don't know,
and you don't know whether Jason Tatum's going to be
able to come back at a high level now. Secondly,
given the past Achilles injuries players such as Kevin Durant,
Kobe Bryant, Chauncey Billups, among others. Recently Dame Lillard, what
is the realistic expectation. We don't know what Lillard because
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he's just had it. So what is the realistic expectation
for Jason Tatum's return? So mention Tatum. He just turned
twenty seven back in March. So he is now a
member of a very special garage band, very special garage band,
the Band of Brothers. Only a handful of first team
all NBA players have ever missed a season in their twenties.
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That's the caveat this like this is an injury associated
with players who are near the end of their career,
usually in the mid thirties and beyond, which in the
sporting world means you're on the back side of your career.
This is not typically an injury associated with someone under
the age of thirty. So Tatum now can learn the
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secret handshake. I'm sure he's excited about that, as he's
part of this special band of players. He is on
a big board, not unless Terry in England, a big
board with the late great Bill Walton, the big Redhead,
Derek Rose of Chicago Bulls fame, and Bernard King of
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the Knicks. Now, Bernard King did get back to the form,
he was an All star.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
However, the problem with this.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Is always however, it took several years for him to
get back to that level, and that was a long
time ago, and then he got hurt again. And normally
when you have this injury, you are more prone to
have the other achilles pop, more prone to re injure
the achilles. So you're screwed in many respects in that department. Here,
a ticking tick tick tick tick time bomb situation in
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that regard, the only one, the only one that you
should really look at as the hope. If you're a
Jason Tatum fan Celtic fan, and if you're Jason Tatum,
it's got to be Kevin Durant. Now, Durant doesn't play
all that much, but that's the modern NBA. But Kevin Durant,
statistically anyway, has been the closest too good. Durant has
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not played more than fifty five games in any season
since he came back from his Achilles injury, but he
has been an elite player in terms of efficiencies, averaged
almost twenty nine points a game, seven rebounds, and six
assists or so three seasons since Pop goes the Achilles,
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So he's been able to put up some numbers. Not
that it's translated to any of the teams he's been
on being any good in the playoffs anything along those lines.
Now final thought, We now pivot to Cleveland, Ohio, where
the NBA season came to an end on a random
night on a Tuesday. It was bye bye, bye bye Calves.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
You're out.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So they lose to Indiana Pacers have advanced during the
final four of the NBA. They cut down the nets. Congratulations,
So question who deserves the most blame for the Calves.
They blow a nineteen point lead at home in an
elimination game, But who deserves the most blamed for the Calves?
Just in general as they are exiting from the postseason now.
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So I'm a believer that the legendary status that one gets,
the legendary status is validated in playoff games. We don't
even really pay attention to the NBA during the regular
season anymore. It's all about the postseason.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
That's postseason. So your validation is in the postseason. Fine,
and in this case, you are exposed in the postseason.
And that's really the lesson. Is that unfair? You shouldn't
say that they had a good team and the guys
got hurt. What's wrong, weally got hurt. You should say
you're meat. Now, I'm pretty confident my guys in Ohio,
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Ohio Strip Club, john My p Ones in Northern Ohio
and people that like to catch, they're with me on this, right.
You had this vibe all season when the Calves are
winning all these games and playing amazing basketball.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
You had this vibe.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
It's not legit, it's smoking mirrors, it's a magic show,
it's not real. And there we go, right, paper Tigers,
the Calves go out there. The lesson is they were exposed,
they were emasculated. They won sixty four games, they were
a dominant team in the first round against Miami. How
(28:55):
bad is Miami? Holy crap? So the Calves had some shrinkage.
They went limp. We saw a pill for that against
the upstart Pacers. You got Spider Mitchell the headliner there.
Spider Mitchell. Evan Mobley was the defensive player of the year.
You've got Kenny Atkinson the coach of the year. All
(29:16):
these decorated players, and they all get to wear the duncecap,
all of them fools gold, fools gold is the phrase
that were the player. And how about Donovan Mitchell Man
always good regular season numbers, good regular season players, had
some big playoff games, and yet never been able to
put a team on his back and lead them to
the conference finals. Didn't do it on some good Utah
(29:38):
Jazz teams. Hasn't done it in Cleveland, and that one stinks.
And you got the Pacers. Fun to watch, high octane
Indiana offense who ran circles around Cleveland, especially in clutch time.
That big time Tyrese Halliburton, the most overrated over player
(30:00):
in the NBA. He gave the Cleveland Cavaliers players the
defensive player the star, Spider Mitchell and the coach of
the Year gave them an atomic wedgie. In big moments,
an atomic wedgie is what they got in Indiana. It's
kind of embarrassing when you're out hustled. That's you're the
(30:21):
better team. If the other team out hustle, you can
close the gap. That's like the oldest thing in sports,
isn't it. Like if the team with the most talent
doesn't put the work in, the team with the less
talent can overcome that and then win the game.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
And so energy and effort win the fifty to fifty balls.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
There was an old NBA coach, Bill Fitzcher say, hustle stats,
you gotta win the hustle stats. You win the hustle status,
you have a chance to win the game and good
things will happen to you if you do that. And
it turned out Indiana did that and they win and
Cleveland struggled a lot of careless turnovers, just stupid, stupid decisions.
And so the Pacers are on to the Eastern Finals.
(31:01):
And does anyone think they can't beat the Knicks? I mean,
right now, today we do the show today. Today the
matchup will be Indiana and New York, barring some kind
of colossal choke job by the Knickerbockers, which I'm not against.
I'm not against that because that'd be good talk radio.
Having a bunch of New Yorkers crying because their team
blew it against the Celtic team without Jason Tatum. That'd
(31:21):
be good with good stories too. But the Pacers, whether
they play the Celtics without Tatum or they play the
Knicks who are relatively healthy, I'd still give the Pacers
a really good chance of winning that series.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
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Speaker 4 (31:49):
Good look.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
One NFL insider some jests it on Monday that Derek
Carr's retirement could be short lived and that we might
see the quarterback as soon as twenty twenty six. But
for another quarterback and needy team other than the Saints, Ben,
what odds do you give of Carr unretiring at some point?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
All right?
Speaker 1 (32:04):
So A, I believe teams will contact Car about coming
out of retirement and playing and all that. I don't
think it's going to happen. I just think he's not
that he wasn't that good. I think he's burned out
on football right now, obviously.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
So do I think people will call him? Yes? Do
I think that's going to happen. No, And B I
see him as a televangelist. I see him.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
As a televangelist at runs a mega church and makes
tons of money doing that.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
So he won't need to play in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
He'll make more money as a pastor than he will
play in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Next, it is.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Now being suggested that the Dallas Mavericks could use the
rights to Cooper Flag to trade for Giannis and Tetekumbo. Yeah, Ben,
does the Greek freak make the MAVs immediate championship contenders? No?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Because Anthony Davis is hurt all the time. Kyrie Irving's
also hurt all the time, so no, And Giannis he's a.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Good player, but you have the same issue. They're all hurt.
So no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Just take Cooper Flag and hopefully he works out so
Nico Harrison doesn't hate him.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Next.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
MLB has already seen two managers get the boots so
far this season, and now some are suggesting that Braves
manager Brian Snicker could be next. Ben Snicker has been
at the helmet in Atlanta for ten years. Do you
think his seat is officially hot?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Well, yes, because as I understand it, this is going
to be his last year anyway. A lot of the
talk is that he's going to retire after this year.
So the Braves are not very good, but the one
should be fired first, Brandon Height of the Orioles, They're terrible.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
How do we go? You passed this position.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Right now?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
She's a plotting.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I won that.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
I won.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
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Speaker 2 (34:19):
Right by, good morning. You know, listening to Blink Scott
and Marcel battling back and forth.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
It's obvious why aliens will not make contact with us. Well,
aliens are going to contact us, not us, but the planet.
And there's more ants on the planet than us, so
they're going to contact ants.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
That's what they're gonna do. Anyway, milkman, who do you like?
Who do you like to partner up with?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
You?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Got me Ben Lorraine A Cooperloo?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Oh, we have to go with a proven champion. We
got to go with Coopy Lou.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah, that's right, Okay, cool, incorrect, bad job by you.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Let's see we have I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I got two good options here. I gotta pick one though,
eenie meenie miney mode. Let's go with far out Day. Hello,
f far outer.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Far that's a dagger far out Day.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
What's up man?
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Good morning? Good morning to you. Dave. Who do you
want to partner up with? You got Let's right, Dad?
What's that? Let's go man? We're in it? All right,
very good, very nice? All right. Lorena, I'm sorry you're out.
You were not picked. You did not win.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
It's feeling a little sexist in here.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Well, I'm just saying I'm the hot one on the show.
Now you're not the hot one girl.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Chilling with me?
Speaker 4 (35:35):
You got what two girl dogs did right here? Chilling
with me?
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Can't be all right? Congratulations? All right, very nice. Okay,
we have a list of words here, one to ten.
They are numbered, Coop, you're up first with.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Milkman, Mike. Milkman, Mike, and you used to pick a
number of Milkman Mike. Please.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
All right, let's go with the Future of the Broncos
number two.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
This weird.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Oh you're doing like Bronco fanboys were. We're believers. Yeah,
good luck on that. All right, So let's go with
let's go with battle. All right.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I'm gonna use the Malar maneuver, Malle far Out Dave,
Malar malo maneuver.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Are you ready ready?
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Mortal? Yeah, malor maneuver. Yeah, that was dead, thank you.
You didn't even say it, right, I know I didn't,
But that's fine. He got it. Listen, me and Far
Far Out Dave are on the same wavelength. We've connected
our minds. All right, stop stalling. I'm not stalling. It's
(36:46):
n nothing. You want to quit right now, Koopy, it's
n nothing. Take your next word, far out day.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Pick a word please, number two, num Bert.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
All right, let's go with belief b E l I
e F belief.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Say belief like woop woop b E.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
L I E F belief.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
No, okay, cool, all right, Mike, let's go with viewpoint.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Kah oh, Mike, did you die? No, I'm still trying
to Google is Google? But I mean, like, oh, sorry,
cool about it? How about uh see here, no, boy,
let's go with I'll just use take take t a
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k E take.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
I used belief, not take.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
Rob What do you say, rob?
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Oh, they're all they're all connected.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
We're still we're going for the same word here.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
I guess that's there's not much more we can do
with this.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
On the word out. All right, we'll throw the word out.
The word was opinion. Opinion, yes, view viewpoint.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
I believe like the country, all right, he said, believe.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
That's he spelled it for. I don't even know. I
don't even know where that is. I mean, but no,
why you just hang up on everyone right now? All right?
All right, we're all dumber.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Go ahead, Dave, go ahead, pick another number three.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Number three, Go ahead, Bronco boys, Come on, it's it's
your it's yours. Yes, no, you went first. I went second.
This is the third word, so you're going wait really? Yes,
Your guy was on the air first, man, Mike was
on the air first.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
All right, let's go with uh oh man, this is
a tough one.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
You picked the words Jesus like they're literally put the
board together.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Do you think were you putting the word together? This
was gonna be a hard one.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
Let's go run up, poke poke, Yeah, no.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
No, let's go with I don't care. We won the game.
The game is over. The word was touching. We were
trying to get touched far out, Dave.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
That's a winter Winter Winter chicken dover.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
I want the gag.
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Speaker 3 (01:46):
What you didn't start with an NBA game?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
What's wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
All?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
My guys? The playoffs?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
You know?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Like basketball?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Shut up? So I made an editorial decision. I made
an editor editorial decision. And normally we start with basketball
all the night rant and somebody'd be in the vomit
comment and that would be that, and I'd move on
and then we take calls, and that's normally how it goes.
But this night different than all other nights. Why is
this night different than all other nights. Well, I've made
(02:14):
an editorial decision. It's not every day that lifetime bands
are over done.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
And players are welcome back.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
And this is a story that has kind of followed me,
if you will, since I got into the talk radio
world when I was a young lad back in the day.
So I thought it was an interesting story, and I
think it's worth some conversation here at the start, and
we'll get into the basketball games. We've got four hours
of nonsense. That's a long time to talk. That's a
(02:46):
lot of talk, so plenty of time to get to everything.
But I want to start with the baseball And I
assume you've heard about now, but possibly you live in
a box and you have not heard. We really love
people that live in shoeboxes. It's good for us. So anyway,
Major League Baseball, if you missed it, major League Baseball's commissioner.
(03:07):
We like to call him Rob Manfraud. But Rob Manford
has removed Pete Rose from the ineligible lists. He's back,
He's also dead. Also, welcome back, shoeless Joe Jackson, also dead.
There's a theme if you're dead and your band Rob
(03:30):
Manford likes you. Welcome back, Welcome back. Now you're dead,
but you're back. The permanent ineligible list of Major League Baseball.
You've got a bunch of deceased players, but the headline
Joe Jackson. There were movies made many years ago, and
I don't know how many people today even tho who
Joe Jackson was shoeless Joe Jackson. But Pete Rose shoeless
(03:52):
Joe Jackson. Couple of figures in baseball's past that have
been welcome back now as a result, and you don't
be the lead, my man. All right, I'm not gonna
bear lead. So as a result, here it's really about
Pete Rose. Pete Rose, major League Basseboll's all time hit leader.
He's he's now eligible, as it is shoeless Joe Jackson
(04:13):
eligible for election to the Baseball Hall of Fame. Keep
in mind that President Trump helped get this done. The
President met with Rob Manford recently, and all of a sudden,
shortly after that, wonder what kind of deal they worked out?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Hey, let Pete back in.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
We'll let you continue to screw fans over with the
nickel and dime Major League Baseball TV package. Who knows,
but either way, Rob Manford has done it. He has
removed Pete Rose from the ineligible list. So let us
discuss the question for the esteem panel. How do you
dissect Rob Manford's decision to let Pete Rose and these
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other dead players, including shoeless Joe Jackson back into baseball.
So I've got profit, I've got blue ribbon and home depot,
and we will combine all of these things together and
we're gonna make a line drive base it up the middle.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
That's what we're gonna make, all right.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So the word I have for this I didn't ask
for a word, But the word I have for this
move by Rob Manford to allow Pete Rose back in baseball,
my word is cosmetic.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
That is my word.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
It is a cosmetic move by Rob Manford. Now I
mentioned this is a nostalgias story. That's why I'm starting
to show with it. So when I started in radio,
I was a young lad. I was a teenager and
I walked into the radio station in San Diego, the
mighty six ninety man. I thought this was the big leagues, right,
this is seventy seven thousand watt radio station in San Diego.
(05:47):
It was a border blaster station. The transmitter was actually
in Mexico and it blasted all over it. And at
that time, before the Interweb, it was a big deal.
And I remember I was an intern for this guy,
Lee Hacksaw Hamilton, who was like my men Tour, one
of my mentors in radio. And at that time it
had only been a few years. I'm dating myself, but
it had only been a few years since Pete Rose
had been banned from baseball, And I learned quickly from
(06:12):
observation that when you had a slow day, I was
a young whipper snapper, when you had a slow day
in sports radio and you wanted to stir things up,
what you did is you said, hey, Pete Rose, did
he bet on baseball? Should he be banned from baseball?
(06:32):
Should they remove the band? And then you give out
the number, and the phones light up like a Christmas tree,
And it was for years. It was the go to conversation.
It was the go to conversation, and everything went light up,
and people had very strong opinions both ways, both ways
on that. So I look at this as cosmetic now
(06:53):
because yeah, Rob Manford will get some brownie points, he'll
get some brownie points for this. Reinstating Pete Rose at
this point, if you do the calculus on this using
the Mallard man, it's a pr win for baseball. Yeah,
there are some people complaining and ranting and saying, you know,
Pete's a scumbag and shouldn't be welcome back and all
(07:15):
that stuff, but they the old timers, the old timers,
and I still occasionally get a call it Pete Rose
with a Hall of Fame I mentioned dick In Dayton's
name here earlier, and that's the number one Pete Rose fan.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
I know the number there.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
But for me, the idea of putting Pete Rose back
on the eligible list is a fruitless endeavor.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
It's a fruitless endeavor.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
And here's why they have both left this Pete Rose
and truthless Joe Jackson have left this mortal coil.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
They're dead.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
And it always, it's always annoyed me when you celebrate,
like the Hall of Fame, when they put people in
who are like, I'm dead, you know, it's like, Okay,
celebrate people while they're alive. I'm a big celebrate people
while they're alive person. Pete Rose died seven months ago,
in September of last year. Shoeless Joe Jackson, he has
(08:13):
been dead for seventy three years. He died in nineteen
fifty one. Okay, so he's been going for a while.
And Pete Rose, the whole Charlie Hustle thing and all that,
and there were generation of fans but that worshiped Pete
Rose played forever. And while Pete is known as Charlie Hustle,
he gets another nickname in death. Pete the Prophet. Now,
(08:34):
we mentioned this in a previous episode of the show.
Is it true that Pete Rose, in what could have
been his final interview, his final interview before he died,
mentioned this very thing happening, mentioned this very outcome well
(08:54):
ten days before Pete Rose left this world that we
all share. Pete Rose said, just ten days before he died,
that he wouldn't make the Baseball Hall of Fame until
after he died. He said it, He said it ten
days before he left us, and Rose was spitting mad.
(09:17):
He said, if I'm gone, it don't matter. Pete Rose said,
who the f wants to go in when you're dead?
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Ding ding ding ding ding. That's a good hot take
by Pete And I agree with him. I I absolutely agree.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Now, I had heard early on that the world of
baseball was never going to allow Pete back while he
was alive, because the generations were upset. They felt he
played a role in the death of Bart Giamani, who
had been the commissioner for a very short time, even
though Bart was overweight and had all kinds of problems.
But anyway, so fine, So there you go, Pete Rose,
(09:55):
the Prophet. Pete the Prophet predicted this, and as far
as Joe Jack Action and Pete Rose, there were movies
made and about both, and documentaries books written about all
this stuff. And I know in the early days of
Fox Sports Radio, there's a restaurant. We're at the corner
of Venturins to Palvity here in the valley, and right
(10:17):
across the street there was an Italian restaurant. And when
I started at this company, every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and
Thursday you could find Pete Rose holding court at the
bar at this Italian restaurant.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Everyone knew it. If you want to see Pete, go
over there. Pete'll be over there.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
He'll be having drinks and a bunch of other old
ballplayers would be hanging out from his era in the
in the sixties and the seventies. They'd be hanging out
with Pete and they just tell old war stories while
they had cocktails and appetizer. And then Pete eventually just
moved to Vegas because he was making so much money
selling autographs. He just moved there full time. But for
years he lived right you know, live right here and
(10:56):
was right across the street. Now, where does the Pete
Rose Hall of Fame movement go? Now there's there's something. Well,
he's in the Hall of Fame. You know, he's not
in the Hall of Fame. He hasn't been put in
the Hall of Fame. So where Pete Rose in death
goes in terms of a campaign for the Hall of
fame red tape bureaucracy. Those are words you can use,
red tape bureaucracy. There is no sense of urgency and
(11:18):
why would there But he's dead, You're not coming back.
So Pete Rose was banned from baseball.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
In nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
It's been a minute for gambling on the Cincinnati Reds
and while he was managing the team and the legend
when he didn't bet on the Reds that let everyone
know who was taking the bets, that he didn't think
they were gonna win.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
But the National Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, York
made him ineligible from induction, and that was in nineteen
ninety when that was his first year eligible because he
was a player manager in Cincinnati. And as we understand it,
again trying to keep up on all the details of
us as we under standard, the rank and file Baseball
(12:03):
scribes and our buddies like Rob Parker and the baseball
writers who love to have that ballot and vote, they
will not get the vote on this. Pete Rose's future
for the Hall of Fame ultimately will be decided by
a handpicked blue ribbon panel. You know, I love blue
ribbon panels. I love a good blue ribbon panel. So
that will consist of ten to twelve reps, handpicked that
(12:28):
will decide the Historical Overview Committee.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
That just sounds like bureaucracy.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
The Historical Overview Committee will develop a ballot of eight names.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
We assume Pete Rose will be on there.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
The Classic Baseball Era Committee will evaluate the candidates and
those that had the greatest impact on the game before
nineteen eighty and no vote, though, will take place before
December of twenty twenty seven, which means.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
The earliest Pete.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Rose would have there'd be a ceremony to honor he's dead,
but to honor Pete would be in the summer of
twenty twenty eight. So here we are in twenty twenty five,
in May, so you got to get through the rest
of this year twenty six twenty seven, so we're looking
at over three years and that's the quickest as I
understand it, this could happen.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Now.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Was Pete Rose guaranteed of being elected to the Hall
of Fame?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
No, he's not. Even with this, he's not. There are
sure to be some that will hold grudges. I've already
seen some hot take artists out there, the artists in
of the hot take that have said no, no, no, no, no,
Pete Rose is a scumbag, He's a dope, He's a loser.
That's the counter argument. It's hard to fight that. You
Pete was a shady guy, and so it's you know,
(13:47):
I don't really care about the tax return thing.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
There was an incident in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
He was actually doing TV stuff and he was accused
of statutory rape. There was a counter earlier. There's no
to my notgs, there was no criminal charger. There was
an accusation that was made. So do that with what
you want. And now the last word here. So, assuming
this does go the way it's going, and Pete ultimately
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wind up into the Hall of Fame at some point here,
even though he's dead, what does Pete Rose being given reinstatement.
Let's focus on this being given reinstatement to Major League
Baseball do for the guys like Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens,
the steroid people of Baseball who are also not in
(14:35):
the Hall of Fame. Even though there are steroid players
in the Hall of Fame, players that we are relatively
confident did steroids but are allowed in there are not
on the naughty list, but Barry Bonds is on the
natty list, and Roger Clemens and several other of these cats.
So on the surface, after a minutes long Mallard deliberation
on the Ben Malor Show, we have determined that this
(14:58):
does bupkus for Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Sammy Sosa, that
vintage of player now Barry Bonds and his steroid brethren
of that era. The issue is they're not banned from baseball.
They're not banned. It's just done on the down low.
(15:19):
It's on the DL right, the down low, and their
persona non grata for the Hall of Fame. However, here's
the interesting wrinkle to this. What this Pete Rose update
does do for Barry Bonds and the other steroid players,
the other pd pals, is it provides them a road
(15:42):
map on how to get into Cooperstown and without being Macab,
which means I'm going to be Macabb. Barry Bonds and
these other cats need to go down to Home Depot
and buy a bucket. And at some point we know
the endgame on life. We know how it ends. We
(16:03):
don't know when it's gonna end. We know how it's
going to So at some point Barry Bonds and everyone else,
once they kick the bucket, then all of a sudden,
well we're going to a panel together. We'll put these
guys in the Hall of Fame. But you got to
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And as Pete said himself ten days before he died,
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so our lead this hour is from pro Bouncy Ball,
and we're going to start out here with yesterday's rumors
turning out to be two days and news now. Years ago,
(18:36):
I had a gossip blog. I was in the blogger sphere.
It was one of the early bloggers.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I gave that up for the joy of overnight talk radio.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
But one of the things we did there we did
a lot of rumors, uff gossip, and oftentimes it started
out as a rumor and then before you knew it, it
became reality. And so whispers in hush tones have yet
again turned out to be true. If you did not hear,
maybe not. The Celtics made it official. They put the
rubber stamp on it and Nana.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Laaaa hey, goodbye.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Unfortunately, Jason Tatum, that's it, see you later, goodbye, Jason Tatum,
Celtics star. He's Dunskies underwent surgery. They said he was
gonna have an MRI. He had surgery. As he went
snap crackle pop or ruptured in this case his achilles
tendon and that operation happening on Tuesday afternoon. He suffered
(19:31):
the injury late in the fourth quarter, less than three minutes.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
To go in the game.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
In Game four, Celtics at the time were down by
nine to the Knicks. They ended up losing that game,
and now they are on the brink of elimination, trying
to stave off elimination when they play the Knicks again
here coming up hours from now. But that's not the story.
The story here is Jason Tatum. So the cas are
now going to lead on. We're gonna lean on Jalen Brown.
(19:58):
What can Brown do for? You could actually step up here.
He's been a little shaky, a little shaky after being
the big man on campus for the Celtics last year
when they won the championship.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
He's supposedly the star.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
A to B and or beat A wait, either way
you want to say it, but Jalen Brown trying to
save the Celtics in Game number five. Teams that are
leading three games to one in the NBA Playoffs have
won ninety five point six percent of the time. I
think that's even higher now because Indiana was up three
to one, so he can check on another one. There's
(20:32):
only thirteen teams that have come back from that deficit.
But that is secondary. Jason Tatum, one of the big
stars in the NBA, go to the grocery store. For
a long time, we saw him on the face of ruffles.
He was selling you potato chips.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
And now he is.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
He's down, he's out, See you later, Goodbye the Celtics.
I always love this part of the story. They say
the operation was successful. They say it was successful. No
timetable was availab All right. So Tatum, who's about hasn't
happened yet. He's about to be named to his fourth
consecutive All NBA team, and when that happens, he'll be
(21:12):
one of just forty three players. That's it, forty three
players the history of that sport, the NBA. Forty three
players that have made that many Wall having turned twenty
seven coming up, but just in March turned twenty seven.
So let us discuss the question, what are your thoughts
on today's developments involving Jason Tatum, the Achilles operation and what.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
All of this means.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
So I've got animation, garage, band, and atomic and we
will combine all of.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
These things together and we are going to get a.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Delicious seafood dinner. Now, my friends in Boston say, you
got those great seafood restaurants. Every time I'm in Boston.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
I don't like seafood, so don't I don't need your
little seafood restaurants.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
All right, So first of all, my first on this
on today's developments is get out the charcoal barbecue because
it's grilling season and the Celtics are porked that I
put that right on the grid.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
They're screwed.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I also love the successful operation, which just means he
didn't die during the operation right the anesthesia. He didn't die.
He's alive, So it was successful. And I know firsthand
back in the day when I was around the locker
rooms a lot, that I had multiple players who come
up with that operation. It wasn't successful. I'm not as good.
(22:40):
I didn't fix it, and then these guys have to
have another operation a lot, so you don't really know
if it was like successful until Jason Tatum gets back
out in the court and ends up playing very well,
and in that point you can say it's successful. But
you know, it's like a lot of people are trying
to be playing positive and up beat and all this stuff.
But I'm not last I checked. I'm not Willy Wonka.
We don't need your sugarcoat it here. This becomes an
(23:02):
animation situation for Jason Tatum and the Celtics, a suspended animation,
if you will. The doctors elected. We are told to
go right away into the operating room because that tends,
they said, tends to lead to a more favorable outcome.
The math is not particularly great on this. That tells
(23:23):
you what has happened, not what's going to happen. Jason
Tatum is not expected to play another regular season basketball
game or playoff game. The earliest is October of twenty
twenty six, So October of twenty he's out the entire
season and they'll be ready to go possibly then by
that time. Though by the time Tatum's back, think about
(23:46):
the fact that two new champions are going to be named.
The Celtics aren't going to win this year, so somebody
else can win this year, and then next year somebody
else is gonna win, So two new champions and will
have been crowned. These Celtics will have made a bunch
of roster moves very unlikely.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Al Horford, for.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Example, or Holiday are going to be on the Celtics
by the time that Tatum returns, and even Tatum's a.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Wild card by that point.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You don't know, you don't know what, you don't know,
and you don't know whether Jason Tatum's going to be
able to come back at a high level now. Secondly,
given the past Achilles injuries players such as Kevin Durant,
Kobe Bryant, Chauncey Billups, among others. Recently Dame Lillard, what
is the realistic expectation. We don't know what Lillard because
(24:34):
he's just had it. So what is the realistic expectation
for Jason Tatum's return? So mention Tatum. He just turned
twenty seven back in March. So he is now a
member of a very special garage band, very special garage band,
the Band of Brothers. Only a handful of first team
all NBA players have ever missed a season in their twenties.
(24:58):
That's the caveat this like this is an injury associated
with players who are near the end of their career,
usually in the mid thirties and beyond, which in the
sporting world means you're on the back side of your career.
This is not typically an injury associated with someone under
the age of thirty. So Tatum now can learn the
(25:18):
secret handshake. I'm sure he's excited about that, as he's
part of this special band of players. He is on
a big board, not unless Terry in England, a big
board with the late great Bill Walton, the big Redhead,
Derek Rose of Chicago Bulls fame, and Bernard King of
(25:39):
the Knicks. Now, Bernard King did get back to the form,
he was an All star.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
However, the problem with this.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Is always however, it took several years for him to
get back to that level, and that was a long
time ago, and then he got hurt again. And normally
when you have this injury, you are more prone to
have the other achilles pop, more prone to re injure
the achilles. So you're screwed in many respects in that department. Here,
a ticking tick tick tick tick time bomb situation in
(26:08):
that regard, the only one, the only one that you
should really look at as the hope. If you're a
Jason Tatum fan Celtic fan, and if you're Jason Tatum,
it's got to be Kevin Durant. Now, Durant doesn't play
all that much, but that's the modern NBA. But Kevin Durant,
statistically anyway, has been the closest too good. Durant has
(26:31):
not played more than fifty five games in any season
since he came back from his Achilles injury, but he
has been an elite player in terms of efficiencies, averaged
almost twenty nine points a game, seven rebounds, and six
assists or so three seasons since Pop goes the Achilles,
(26:51):
So he's been able to put up some numbers. Not
that it's translated to any of the teams he's been
on being any good in the playoffs anything along those lines.
Now final thought, We now pivot to Cleveland, Ohio, where
the NBA season came to an end on a random
night on a Tuesday. It was bye bye, bye bye Calves.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
You're out.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So they lose to Indiana Pacers have advanced during the
final four of the NBA. They cut down the nets. Congratulations,
So question who deserves the most blame for the Calves.
They blow a nineteen point lead at home in an
elimination game, But who deserves the most blamed for the Calves?
Just in general as they are exiting from the postseason now.
(27:45):
So I'm a believer that the legendary status that one gets,
the legendary status is validated in playoff games. We don't
even really pay attention to the NBA during the regular
season anymore. It's all about the postseason.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
That's postseason. So your validation is in the postseason. Fine,
and in this case, you are exposed in the postseason.
And that's really the lesson. Is that unfair? You shouldn't
say that they had a good team and the guys
got hurt. What's wrong, weally got hurt. You should say
you're meat. Now, I'm pretty confident my guys in Ohio,
(28:20):
Ohio Strip Club, john My p Ones in Northern Ohio
and people that like to catch, they're with me on this, right.
You had this vibe all season when the Calves are
winning all these games and playing amazing basketball.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
You had this vibe.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
It's not legit, it's smoking mirrors, it's a magic show,
it's not real. And there we go, right, paper Tigers,
the Calves go out there. The lesson is they were exposed,
they were emasculated. They won sixty four games, they were
a dominant team in the first round against Miami. How
(28:55):
bad is Miami? Holy crap? So the Calves had some shrinkage.
They went limp. We saw a pill for that against
the upstart Pacers. You got Spider Mitchell the headliner there.
Spider Mitchell. Evan Mobley was the defensive player of the year.
You've got Kenny Atkinson the coach of the year. All
(29:16):
these decorated players, and they all get to wear the duncecap,
all of them fools gold, fools gold is the phrase
that were the player. And how about Donovan Mitchell Man
always good regular season numbers, good regular season players, had
some big playoff games, and yet never been able to
put a team on his back and lead them to
the conference finals. Didn't do it on some good Utah
(29:38):
Jazz teams. Hasn't done it in Cleveland, and that one stinks.
And you got the Pacers. Fun to watch, high octane
Indiana offense who ran circles around Cleveland, especially in clutch time.
That big time Tyrese Halliburton, the most overrated over player
(30:00):
in the NBA. He gave the Cleveland Cavaliers players the
defensive player the star, Spider Mitchell and the coach of
the Year gave them an atomic wedgie. In big moments,
an atomic wedgie is what they got in Indiana. It's
kind of embarrassing when you're out hustled. That's you're the
(30:21):
better team. If the other team out hustle, you can
close the gap. That's like the oldest thing in sports,
isn't it. Like if the team with the most talent
doesn't put the work in, the team with the less
talent can overcome that and then win the game.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
And so energy and effort win the fifty to fifty balls.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
There was an old NBA coach, Bill Fitzcher say, hustle stats,
you gotta win the hustle stats. You win the hustle status,
you have a chance to win the game and good
things will happen to you if you do that. And
it turned out Indiana did that and they win and
Cleveland struggled a lot of careless turnovers, just stupid, stupid decisions.
And so the Pacers are on to the Eastern Finals.
(31:01):
And does anyone think they can't beat the Knicks? I mean,
right now, today we do the show today. Today the
matchup will be Indiana and New York, barring some kind
of colossal choke job by the Knickerbockers, which I'm not against.
I'm not against that because that'd be good talk radio.
Having a bunch of New Yorkers crying because their team
blew it against the Celtic team without Jason Tatum. That'd
(31:21):
be good with good stories too. But the Pacers, whether
they play the Celtics without Tatum or they play the
Knicks who are relatively healthy, I'd still give the Pacers
a really good chance of winning that series.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
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Speaker 4 (31:49):
Good look.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
One NFL insider some jests it on Monday that Derek
Carr's retirement could be short lived and that we might
see the quarterback as soon as twenty twenty six. But
for another quarterback and needy team other than the Saints, Ben,
what odds do you give of Carr unretiring at some point?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
All right?
Speaker 1 (32:04):
So A, I believe teams will contact Car about coming
out of retirement and playing and all that. I don't
think it's going to happen. I just think he's not
that he wasn't that good. I think he's burned out
on football right now, obviously.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
So do I think people will call him? Yes? Do
I think that's going to happen. No, And B I
see him as a televangelist. I see him.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
As a televangelist at runs a mega church and makes
tons of money doing that.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
So he won't need to play in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
He'll make more money as a pastor than he will
play in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Next, it is.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Now being suggested that the Dallas Mavericks could use the
rights to Cooper Flag to trade for Giannis and Tetekumbo. Yeah, Ben,
does the Greek freak make the MAVs immediate championship contenders? No?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Because Anthony Davis is hurt all the time. Kyrie Irving's
also hurt all the time, so no, And Giannis he's a.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Good player, but you have the same issue. They're all hurt.
So no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Just take Cooper Flag and hopefully he works out so
Nico Harrison doesn't hate him.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Next.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
MLB has already seen two managers get the boots so
far this season, and now some are suggesting that Braves
manager Brian Snicker could be next. Ben Snicker has been
at the helmet in Atlanta for ten years. Do you
think his seat is officially hot?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Well, yes, because as I understand it, this is going
to be his last year anyway. A lot of the
talk is that he's going to retire after this year.
So the Braves are not very good, but the one
should be fired first, Brandon Height of the Orioles, They're terrible.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
How do we go? You passed this position.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Right now?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
She's a plotting.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I won that.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
I won.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
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Speaker 1 (34:01):
Here's Ben Meler and we have some big stars lined
up to compete in this. The best in the brightest
minds are united here. So let's welcome in arcantestants or
password the word Game of the Stars, and we have
the seizure any meany miney Moore. We have Milkman Mike
in Colorado. Hello, milkman, Mike.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Right by, good morning. You know, listening to Blink Scott
and Marcel battling back and forth.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
It's obvious why aliens will not make contact with us. Well,
aliens are going to contact us, not us, but the planet.
And there's more ants on the planet than us, so
they're going to contact ants.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
That's what they're gonna do. Anyway, milkman, who do you like?
Who do you like to partner up with?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
You?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Got me Ben Lorraine A Cooperloo?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Oh, we have to go with a proven champion. We
got to go with Coopy Lou.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah, that's right, Okay, cool, incorrect, bad job by you.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Let's see we have I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I got two good options here. I gotta pick one though,
eenie meenie miney mode. Let's go with far out Day. Hello,
f far outer.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Far that's a dagger far out Day.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
What's up man?
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Good morning? Good morning to you. Dave. Who do you
want to partner up with? You got Let's right, Dad?
What's that? Let's go man? We're in it? All right,
very good, very nice? All right. Lorena, I'm sorry you're out.
You were not picked. You did not win.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
It's feeling a little sexist in here.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Well, I'm just saying I'm the hot one on the show.
Now you're not the hot one girl.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Chilling with me?
Speaker 4 (35:35):
You got what two girl dogs did right here? Chilling
with me?
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Can't be all right? Congratulations? All right, very nice. Okay,
we have a list of words here, one to ten.
They are numbered, Coop, you're up first with.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Milkman, Mike. Milkman, Mike, and you used to pick a
number of Milkman Mike. Please.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
All right, let's go with the Future of the Broncos
number two.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
This weird.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Oh you're doing like Bronco fanboys were. We're believers. Yeah,
good luck on that. All right, So let's go with
let's go with battle. All right.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I'm gonna use the Malar maneuver, Malle far Out Dave,
Malar malo maneuver.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Are you ready ready?
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Mortal? Yeah, malor maneuver. Yeah, that was dead, thank you.
You didn't even say it, right, I know I didn't,
But that's fine. He got it. Listen, me and Far
Far Out Dave are on the same wavelength. We've connected
our minds. All right, stop stalling. I'm not stalling. It's
(36:46):
n nothing. You want to quit right now, Koopy, it's
n nothing. Take your next word, far out day.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Pick a word please, number two, num Bert.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
All right, let's go with belief b E l I
e F belief.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Say belief like woop woop b E.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
L I E F belief.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
No, okay, cool, all right, Mike, let's go with viewpoint.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Kah oh, Mike, did you die? No, I'm still trying
to Google is Google? But I mean, like, oh, sorry,
cool about it? How about uh see here, no, boy,
let's go with I'll just use take take t a
(37:54):
k E take.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
I used belief, not take.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
Rob What do you say, rob?
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Oh, they're all they're all connected.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
We're still we're going for the same word here.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
I guess that's there's not much more we can do
with this.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
On the word out. All right, we'll throw the word out.
The word was opinion. Opinion, yes, view viewpoint.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
I believe like the country, all right, he said, believe.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
That's he spelled it for. I don't even know. I
don't even know where that is. I mean, but no,
why you just hang up on everyone right now? All right?
All right, we're all dumber.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Go ahead, Dave, go ahead, pick another number three.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Number three, Go ahead, Bronco boys, Come on, it's it's
your it's yours. Yes, no, you went first. I went second.
This is the third word, so you're going wait really? Yes,
Your guy was on the air first, man, Mike was
on the air first.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
All right, let's go with uh oh man, this is
a tough one.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
You picked the words Jesus like they're literally put the
board together.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Do you think were you putting the word together? This
was gonna be a hard one.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
Let's go run up, poke poke, Yeah, no.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
No, let's go with I don't care. We won the game.
The game is over. The word was touching. We were
trying to get touched far out, Dave.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
That's a winter Winter Winter chicken dover.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
I want the gag.
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