May 10, 2017 • 33 mins
After the Spurs overtime win against the Rockets, Doug argues Manu Ginobli should be considered one of the greatest international basketball players of all time. He explains why it’s not an insult to say Redskins QB Kirk Cousins is a second tier quarterback in today’s NFL. Plus Doug talks to former #1 overall pick in the NBA Kwame Brown and they discuss if he’s been mislabeled as a “bust”.
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Got a lot of football to talk about today, including
the Redskins former GM throwing some shade at the quarnerback
whom he offered a contract too, but not a big
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enough contract to to lock him into a long term deal.
Scott mcclunen has spoken out about the the talent and
upside and ceiling of Kirk Cousins. You will want to listen. Plus,
I'm kind of interesting what Bill Polian has said about
the future of the New England Patriots and Tom Brady
and how they might not actually coincide. Uh that and
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to this point, the President has not fired anybody ahead
at at the top of any government field. But it's
only nude on the West coast. So stay tuned, man.
We got a lot to get to last night, hoops,
and we finally got good hoops. You've been waiting, You've
been waiting, You've been waiting, and we told you that
the series that would most likely produce a good game
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six in game seven produce a really interesting Game five
feels like a missed opportunity for the Houston Rockets, uh
and feels like the things that we the things that
we undervalue with the NBA. Like you'll hear people who
are either a sports radio guy who really are kind
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of fanboys. They'll say, like, well, you know, coaching doesn't
really matter, Yes, it actually really does. They'll say nobody
plays defense, Yes, they actually really really do. Conditioning, confidence,
these things are all important and they and and frankly,
toughness and toughness is It's like the famous definition of pornography.
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I can't necessarily define it, but I know it when
I see it. And I saw it from the Spurs.
I saw Gregg Popovich sit his best player at an
important time, and I saw Mono Genoble once again come
up big. Whether it's getting buckets or forcing fouls, or
getting drives, the big dunk and of course the big
block shot Mano genobly showed why by my estimation, I
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don't know if he's the best international player of all time,
right they the best international players in NBA history are
probably a chemalized one and then Dirk Niviski, right like,
in terms of overall talent. But the last time I checked,
it's just me. We keep score for a reason, right Like.
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I understand that the scoreboard doesn't always tell the story,
but it sure does tell um a good amount of
those stories. If you look back on Michael Jackson's career,
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you guys, Michael Jackson fans and Michael Jackson is an
interesting career because I'm hard pressed to find anybody who's
a child of the eighties like I was, that didn't
like Michael Jackson. Now, the stuff that came out at
the end of his life and post and and post
mortem um, if true, is revolting. But for whatever reason,
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most of us we're able to separate it, right, We're
able to separate Michael Jackson the artist and Michael Jackson
the person and what he has many times been over
been alleged to have done correct. But let's just talk
about Michael Jackson the artist. When Quincy Jones was his producer,
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his albums were insanely good. When Quincy Jones wasn't his producer,
his albums were hit or miss, right, And like, look,
Quincy Jones eighty four years old. If you look at
the people whom he's touched, they've almost all won when
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he's been involved with their records. Right, there's something too, Hey,
every time that guy's around, it's I'm a big John
Hughes movie guy. You gause know John Hughes is all right,
think back if you're a little bit older than Ryan Music,
if you're Ramos's age and you're my age. And I
started naming off Breakfast Club, I started naming off Ferris
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Bueller's Day, off sixteen Kids, Weird Signs, Wait, wait, wait,
there's more planes, trains and automobiles, Uncle Buck, all those
Chicago based movies. But then I kind of go on
Home Alone, Home Alone to Beethoven, Like you keep all
of those are John Hughes movies, and like, what what
is the connective tissue with them? Is? They're all John
the movies. I bring it up because there's something to
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this Monto Genoble guy. Did he bring the flamboyant sort
of flopping of Argentinean soccer to the United States. You
could make the argument, sure, and we might not be
the better because of it, But this dude has the
mightas touch. By my estimation, he might not be the best,
but let's go let's correctly contextualize. He has been the
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most successful. He has been the most influential European basketball
player foreign but he's not European but international basketball player
in the history of the NBA, the history of the NBA,
and by the way, let's take away the NBA. Let's
just say he's been the most influential. Let's like take two.
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Mono Genoble is the most influential international basketball player, not
an American born basketball player, in the history of the
game period. Stop and before you say, well, what is
he actually done? How? How I hold on now? Early
in his life he won two European Championships, play in Italy.
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He led the Argentinian national team to a World championship,
which was by the way, on our soil in Indianapolis.
Then he won a gold medal. Go back and look
historically at Argentina and try and find someplace in which
they were competitive ever internationally before Monto Genoble and his
his countrymen came of age. You cannot find it. And
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then you fast forward to the San Antonio Spurs, who,
during this run with Greg Popovich, have won five titles.
He's been a part of four of them. And when
you tracked their successful runs, almost all of them coincide
with Monto Genoble being healthy. Almost all of the collapses
have to do with Monta Geobile not being healthy. Like
is Derek a better score? Of course he is. Dirk
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was the m v P. But it's important to note
Dirk Nevitski's Dallas Mavericks team, whatever you want to say
about his supporting cast, like he has more first round
losses as a superstar player than he does first round
wins first round. Okay, I'm not sending the bar at
NBA Finals or NBA Western Conference Championships first round losses.
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And you could say a chemalize you on who won
two titles, one the year Jordan was out, the other
the year Jordan's came back mid season and he wasn't
sharp and they lost the Orlando Magic, Like I think
it seems great. He's the best low post score we've
had in the past thirty years. And he started out
as a guy who had no post moves to being
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kind of the definitive that guy can score in the
post in a myriad of ways. The athleticism and he
was like a lift down there. He's right, but you
know what he didn't do. It didn't win as much
as as Mona Genoble and between Genoble and he's right
now at this point his career, thirty nine years old,
he's he's like there's a Toby Keith song. See, I
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ain't as good as I'm as good as that once was,
but I'm as good once as I ever was. And
don't take my word for it. Listen to Mike D'Antoni
and what he said, he's the coach of the Rockets,
and what he said about Manu after the game, Well,
figures that man who at least have one or two
good games and on you know, you knew that was
going to happen. Um, that's why he's a champion. He's great.
He's been great on his whole life. Everywhere in Europe
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and then over here, he's great. He's been great. You're like,
well he didn't start. He's been all a third team
All NBA twice. Did you know this? That Hall of
Famer Reggie Miller was only third team All NBA once.
That's it, Like, do you know how good he is?
He's a transformative player. The position that Monta Genobody plays.
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His point forward one to three could play the four.
Did he bring flopping to the NBA? Sure? Did he
bring versatility to the NBA? Absolutely, He's also one of
those guys that he's going left and there's nothing you
can do about it. But he's like Quincy Jones. He's
like John Hughes. You go back in track and everything
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this guy brushed up against somehow was successful and that
has a value. And while you can tell me Dirk
Navitsky is a better score, he is great player. I'm
not trying to take shots at Dirk Navitski normal trying
to take shots at a Kimalajah one. But the last
time I checked, the reason we keep score is determined
who wins and who loses. Like, why do we play
the game? We get so caught up in points per
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game and assist per game, Like, here's all that really
matters who actually won the game, and this guy's team
wins more than they lose, wins important games. He's in
at the end of the game. He's influencing at both
ends that partial portion of the game. What you saw
last night was just a snippet of a Hall of
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Fame career and by my estimation, the most influential, the
best all around non American born player in the history
of basketball. And like so many guys when they get
to the late thirties, he as good as he once was,
but he's as good ones as he ever was. Be
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Back in the two thousand one draft, he was the
number one overall pick, ahead of Tyson Chandler, who came
right out of high school as he did, ahead of
Pau Gasol of course, Eddie Curry, Jason Richardson, Shane Batty,
a Eddie Griffin to Sonya Jop as well, that's as
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your there's your top, uh, Rodney White, and Joe Johnson.
Joe Buckets was tenth in that draft. He's cawal me.
Brownie's kind of have to spend some time of this
year on Fox Sports Radio. Call me, how are you doing?
Good man? So you're playing in the in the Big Three,
playing a little three on three hoop? Absolutely alright? So, um,
what's this like for were you to be somebody who
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was a number one overall pick, went through the ups
and downs of the NBA and now kind of putting
yourself back on center stage and playing three on three basketball,
and and for people who don't know the Big Three,
which will be on Fox Sports one, it's gonna be
kind of like theater in the round, like there's mean people.
It's gonna be a cool set up. What's this like
for you? Well, I guess if you call the NBA
up and down, it was never a down for me
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on the court wise it may have been a little fustion.
But coming from my background when I came from, everything
in the NBA is trust me. No. I Look, that's
a great person. That's a great perspective that if you
were to characterize your NBA career, how would you characterize it?
I would characterize it as a bunch of people, uh,
putting labels on somebody who never asked for those labels.
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All I did was pursuing my dream, and I reached
a goal that most kids from the inner city only
dream about. And I persevered through homers, shelters and doing
anything and I can't do to get there, only to
be labeled, you know, as Michael Jordan's pick. And that's
the whole thing that follows me. You know, the reason
why they say I can't play basketball is almost based
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on this pick and who picked me. I've been on
several different teams and people go away. I was down
in Charlotte when I was healthy, double double and two quarters.
No reporter reported on it, nobody said anything. But then
when I go to the Lakers, I need a shoulder
surgery and I need an ankle surgery, and I go
out there and I can't dunk a basketball and it's
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all over YouTube. Uh, it's interesting. But me, I've always
kept the personality that the niche cup Chack brings me
into a room and said, hey, look, we take you
eight million dollars. All we need to do is play
decentse and you better then we'll understand that I'm gonna
play defense. And I've never been a guy who cared
about numbers. So I went out there on one leg
and one shoulder and I did my job. You know,
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it's it's it's interesting because I talked to the Cleveland
people and they and you know, obviously, like Anthony Bennet,
like you had a much better career than like an
Anthony Bennett who was the league at the end of
this year. Like your your third year, you average eleven
a game, eight rebounds a game in Washington, playing nearly
the entire season. But but what happens is I don't
know if it's as much Michael Jordan's pick as much
as it's the number one overall pick. Right, Like if
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Greg Oden goes two or three, it's not that big
a deal that his body let him down. But his
body let him down. If you go, you know, to
three or four, your body lets you down, you you
break down to your career is not as long. It's
not as big a story, doesn't Isn't it more about
being the number one overall pick than it is about
anything else. Listen, I'm a competitor, and you know you
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don't get the ball very much when you play on
the team with Michael join and Kobe Bryant and dupul
Arenas and Las Hughes and Antoine Jamison and all these
scores that I played with. But if you do that
jet up all over again in the race, everybody's buying
about who did what after the second hindsight, I would
be the number one pick all over again. And so
when you the steal set of a six eleven guy
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who can bring the ball up the floor, to teach
jam the tournament is up there and to teach you
damn the Roundball Classic. Those wasn't mistake. You see a
six eleven guy doing whatever he wants to do with
the floor. You know, nobody talks about that. Doug Collin
has introduced me to the dunker, and that's where I stayed.
And that's what I did my time, and I turned
myself into a descender and a rebounder. And I lasted
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twelve years doing something that I was asked to do.
But trust me, if I had to do it all
over then to do another one cook again. Kwamie Brown
joining us, She's getting ready for the Big Three. That's
the three on. Big three is a professional three on
three basketball league highlighted with the biggest basketball Superstars. You
gonna ticket master dot com. Ice Cube obviously is one
of the found founders of this league. The first the
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first event is going to be in Brooklyn, New York.
I guess the question becomes, how much do you have
in the tank? Your body has gone through a lot, right,
You mentioned the surgeries, you mentioned the pounding of being
in the league, of playing inside in a man's game.
How much do you have left and tank? Because this
is what we're told is it's going be not it's
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gonna be very loosely officiated, very physical brand of basketball.
Can your body stand up to the toll? I think
I'm a surprised a lot of people. I think a
lot of people jumped on the bandwagon of things that
they heard and not seen. Um, they don't realize the
quickness that I have. They don't realize the skill set
that I have with the ball. Um. When I was
in Charlotte, nobody other games and you know that that
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scene and you talked about in Washington where the whole
third of the month, and you know, I played against
Chris whatever and uh domined on deal a couple of games.
They had a couple of monster games against them. Those
games they buried. So I think now it will be
a chance for some of the fans who have just
jumped on the bandwagon because you know, in a legend
like Michael Jordan's says that you can't play and this
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said what I've never heard him say that. But when
you talk about the hands and all these things, and
people jump on the bandwagon and just go with the flow.
Most media outlets they don't know anything about Finding Brown.
Never saw me play in high school. But because someone
else said, they just jump on the bandwagonn't be negative.
But you can't get to the level that I've gotten
too not knowing how to play. You can definitely allow
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people to make you lose your confidence or whatever else.
Ye you definitely uh, you know, basketball player in the
NBA does not know how to play. You put them
up against the average president to kill him. So but
we're not talking about the average person. We talk about
NBA player. No, no, no, listen, listen. It's funny. I
had breakfast this morning with cold basketball guys, and of
course I was. I never made it. I played internationally,
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was in summer leagues. I've never made it. And we're
talking about Clay Thompson's brother. He has one brother that
plays for the Dodgers. Been another brother who played at
Pepperdine and had a cup of coffee in the NBA,
and the guys are like, oh, well, he can't play.
I was like, oh, hold on, dude, he played in
the NBA. There's four hundred fifty dudes who played in
the NBA this year. Four d fifty. That's that's how
many NBA players. Like, there's five hundred thousand kids who
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play high school basketball, Like, don't tell me you can't play.
I had the exact same, exact same response, Um, what
what like for people to go back and do you
just look and don't just join the conference? My first year,
I average was having an eight minutes of game five
point five points that those are those are not numbers
of a number one draft pick, but those are not
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minutes of the number one drafts to keep. And so
every time that HAM had to play thirty minutes or
twenty minutes, just I wish somebody would just do their
job and just break down when I scored in those minutes,
because it's it's on the same level as a double
double or close to a double double as any on
a side player in the league. And that's what people
don't do, and that's how I lasted so long. My
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agent was go get the numbers and compared to players
who played thirty minutes, and it's right on pace with
the numbers of the starting center. But when you play
a guy five or six minutes, what do you think
somebody's going to get done? Well, it's it's impossible. Like
any anybody with anybody with the brain understands that. Okay,
so a couple of things here. Um, let's start with
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the one and done rule. When you were coming out,
you come straight out of high school, obviously had a
tough upbringing, and so I don't know what your perspective
on it is. To you, what's the perfect rule? Should
players be made have to go to college for a year,
they have to go to college for two years? Or
did you do you like the idea of going straight
from high school? To the press listening, we all know
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we could should the code it. We could pretend like
those players that going to college for four and a
half months or stop months just to get through the
basketball season. We can pretend like that more mature than
I am. We can pretend like it's not about the
university getting all American and two millions a five minute
of you for having all Americans. We can pretend and
if you want me to do out with you. But
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a kid that goes on to a college for one year,
you actually heard in that kid. Really you're hearting The
investage is because if somebody else could have got that
schollege ship and could have gone on and got an edituation,
you know this guy's not going. I'll tell you when
they'll change the room back. If these top players start
going to HBCUs I there on TU, they'll say, oh,
then'll come on high school. Because I think that's why
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some of the bad mouthing and the readily think they
have with me. They're trying to make me to post
a child on why not to come out. But I
own two or three buildings in seven eight homes that
i'm that I've ran out or I sail. So to
act like I'm something a story that you should be
a little or bad like that'siculous. So to stop free
enterprise and to stop people from going out and being
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game included, Tell me why the soccer player gets to go,
Tell me why the baseball player gets to go. You know,
if you could, if you could go back and change
one thing about your student. Oh no, no, no, no no,
you let me let me finish real quick. Kwamy Brown
joining us part of the Big Three, Big three on
three professionally getting ready to start this summer start up
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by ice Cube. So many former NBA stars, either coaching
or playing like Quam is in this league. If you
could go back to your rookie or second year and
and tell Huama, then something Quama now knows, what would
it be? I would beg to be traded away from
their college? Why Doug college is you can actually time
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commins and Grant he know on like you and something's wrong.
Grant you was one of the greatest guys in the world.
And then I think everybody that plays for him and
says that every all the right things because it affects them.
And Doug is a very important guy in basketball. He
has a great basketball mind, don't don't get me wrong,
but the mind games that he plays. And if you'll
be in the same room he's talking about you and
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try to get another guy to go against you. You know,
nineteen thirty five, nobody wants to be played with and
these are this is a livelihood that this guy plays with.
He's just a micro manager and he's just not a
very good coach when it comes to that. If you
want him to help to play and exits you. Now,
who's he's a basketball mind? Sure, but does he relate
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to his players? Actually that's coming from the African Americans.
Absolutely not. And I'm I'm just it's not gonna affect
me to say that now. But if you can act
some of those players and they'll speak from the heart
and they'll be honest, I'll tell you what. Go grab
Eton Thomas, You'll definitely tell you. I've trust me, dude,
I've heard it. And it's interesting saying how many stops
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you know, Like, look, Jordan's second he left, Jordan's started winning,
and of course we know how it ended so many
other places. He is a fabulous basketball mind. But there
are other parts to coaching men in the NBA. Alright, So,
uh so who is who is a qualmy um? Richard
Lewis is your captain. Jason Williams is your co captain.
Macmodob like that dude can still get buckets. Gary Payton's
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your coach, So like have you guys started practicing together.
You guys started working out. I guess three on three.
I'm just wondering, like, is it just all pick and roll?
You're gonna get the post up? Like, what's it gonna be? Like? Well,
three on three is uh? You know, usually it's a
smash mount type of basketball. It's usually we do what's
called picking a scam. Because you're a little guy, you
go into the block, you gotta be able to whole
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you home. So that's why a lot of guys they
didn't even draft point guys. They just drafted big, strong
guys and they're just gonna probably take the kicking role.
Is inddressing? H It would be hid if everybody to
switch and if you can have a big, less athletic
that keeps the heart would be the ideal situation. Once
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you start switching and showing to go on the picking roads,
you've got dunks all over the place. Uh, what are
your last thing? What are your thoughts on the evolution
or maybe d evolution of big guys in the NBA.
You know, because it's so physical in the NBA game
in the low post, and because they don't they call
all the fouls out in the perimeter. Everybody's playing four
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out one end, or you know, pick and roll and
keep the lane open. Some teams even playing like the
Calves will play five out at times of chaining, Fry
floating shooting threes and Lebron playing like kind of de
facto power forward. Do you like that evolution of the game?
I mean yes and no. Um, I know why I
have to get it. You got if you look at
Tony Coukos when they played Michael uh Olympics or whatever.
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You know, when I watched, they said Tony Cucos was
all the world. And then when you saw how big
and strong Scotty Picking and Michael Jordan went over there
and what they did and said, we'll wait a minute.
We got to change these rules in this game because
these players can play and says cool. So they made
size not as important. You know, when I go play
a pick up ball at the park on basketball corps
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and help in the NBA, we don't let you didn't
start playing. So they emplement this room called freedom of Goodman,
which only means we want to see more points because
we want fans in the seats because the destroyed distance.
We're talking a great basketball who they wanted but there's
a big day and not had to seventy eight and
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all that. That's not exciting. We want to see high
flying thunks. We want to see though it's more five.
This the business of basketball. Now you've got you got
little kids wanting to beast. That's clearly and calls the
other players. So you gotta let them be able to play,
to play up under the old blue schoo knows it
would be interesting call me. I appreciate you join us.
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I really appreciate how candid you were uh in answering
all of our questions. Can't wait to see in the
Big Three with the three headed Monsters coached by GP
coach by Gary Payton. Thanks for being our guest on
Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug gott Leaves Show weekdays at three pm Easter
noon Pacific. Here's Scott McLuhan in regards to why they
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haven't compensated Kirk cousins like he wants to be compensated.
Everybody says it's the most important position on the field,
which I understand he's touching the ball every snap, but
if the guys around them, you know, it's all of
a sudden. If you're over paying the quarterback, then you're
gonna lose an offensive lineman. You know, you're gonna lose
a defensive linemen. You're gonna lose a corner because you
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can't even the cap. You can't afford it smart Like, look,
there's a it's the reason that the Dallas Cowboys hit
a home run with Dak Prescott. Is Dak Prescott a
top five quarterback in the league. No, but he's a
fourth round pick who has to I don't know if
you guys know this. They cannot renegotiate his contract over
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the next two years. There's there's no there's a clause
in the Collective Barten Agreement that they cannot renegotiate his
contract over the next two years. So he's making less
than a million dollars this season as quarterback, which allows you,
because this gallery cap, to spread all that money around
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and somewhere in between that and what he's actually worth
or what Andrew luck money were like, Look, this is
what Tom, this is why Tom Brady took less Because
in order to really be successful, you gotta have an
offensive line, you gotta have a really good defense, and
if they're trying to be fiscally responsible and say, hey,
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look dude, we think you're good, but we we won.
We don't think you're worth twenty five million dollars a year,
and two like that's not really smart to run a
football team that way. We think sixteen million dollars a
year is about right, maybe seventeen not overpay you. And
oh yeah, by the way, we surround you with better
talent which allows you to have a better career for longer. Yes,
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Ryan music is the issue with the Redskins at this
point though, since they've used the franchise tag on Cousins
twice that number one, they've now raised their number of negotiation. Like,
if you're paying Kirk Cousins, it's almost twenty four million
dollars this year, you're now a guaranteed, by the way,
and he's twenty million dollars last year. So they paid
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him forty four million guaranteed over two years exactly. So
this is the issue, and you know this more than
most people, with you know, having an agent, and all
of those his agents now saying, oh, so you want
us to take a pay cut if you're gonna ask
him to take sixteen, seventeen, twenty million dollars a year.
You're effectively asking him to take a pay cut now. Well,
and and and what the and what the Redskins will
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say is, hey, look, if we gave you a contract,
you know, if we gave you a hundred million dollar
contract that I had sixty seventy five seventy five million
dollars and guarantees, you know we have already paide forty
four million dollars in guarantees. The Redskins are betting on
the idea. Last year they the year they won the division,
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the Eagles were a disaster, right. The Cowboys were a
disaster because they had injuries and the New York Giants
found ways to Tom Coughlin got fired because they mismanaged
the game down the stretch. Right. The Washington Redskins didn't
actually beat a team with a winning record the year
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they won the division with Kirk Cousins or quarterback, zero
wins over a team with a winning record, not one.
And so you can tell me he's great. I would
tell you he's good. And they want to pay him.
Got man like he's good. And I don't believe Scott
McCluin lost his job because he didn't want to pay
Kirk Cousins. I think what he's saying is what everybody
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in the Redskins organization is saying. And Cousins wants to
be compensate, like a guy who threw forty yards. And
they're like, look, he's good, he's good in our system.
We like him, but we're not gonna pay him top
five quarterback money because he's not a top five quarterback.
And oh yeah, by the way, he's more likely to
be successful. We're more likely to be successful if he
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signs for a reasonable sum of money. And if we
lose him because of it, fine, and oh yeah, by
the way, they're rolling the dice on him having an
average year this year, to which his powers of negotiation
won't be great. I kind of agree with that philosophy.
I might be alone on that island. Fox Sports Radio
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and within the I Heart Radio app. It's a great
article from Tom Current of Comcast Sports Net New England
where they cover, among other things, New England Patriots. Uh.
He starts by saying, look, Tom Brady is thirty nine
years old, hasn't showed any showed and he signs. Do
you say showed or shown hasn't shown it? I don't
look he's the writer somehow got approved. We'll go with
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showed showed any signs of slowing. But Jimmy Garoppolo's contract
doesn't last for reverence. The Patriots believe he's the quarterback
in the future. Bill Belichick might have to nudge Brady
out of the starting role once the franchise gives Garoppolos
starting money. Quote the night Garoppolo was drafted and Belichick
mentioned Brady's age and contract situation, the end game was underway.
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It's taken a lit longer to arrive because Brady has
beaten back the Garoppolo challenge with the best football of
his life. But that's probably the only reason the Patriots
haven't pulled the ripcord already. That's probably a pretty good reason.
By the way, the Patriots don't necessarily trade a starter
when his backup is better than him. They trade a
starter when in a season or two, the backup will
be cheaper approximately as good as the starter yields return
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in a trade. So here's the thing to any of you.
Everyone knows Father time is undefeated. It's just a matter
of when father time decides to check into the game.
And you can only do the avocado ice cream for
so long to which eventually it's gonna kept catch up
to you. Now he's at a position which ages l
and he's been able to take care of his body,
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and they built a team around him who protects him.
He's smart enough to get rid of the football and
not take big hits. But at some point in time,
it's gonna catch up to him. And where do you
think this is. It's craziness that will never happen. It's
Tom Brady where Joe Montana finished his career, where Brett
Farr finished his career. Peyton Manning, granted, got hurt, had
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multiple surgeries, but he was coming back ended up having
statistically the most successful year in the history of the
position in Denver. And if you ask the Colts would
you make that move again, they'd say absolutely not just
not just because they got Andrew Luck and they kept
Andrew Luck. Not just because of that. Andrew Luck also
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was more cost effective his first couple of years then
it would have been had they had Peyton Manning. Did
they screw up some of the some of the use
of that money, sure, but it made them they were
a playoff team. They went to the FC Championship, right,
and that likely wouldn't have been possible because you would
have had to play pay Peyton Manning Peyton Manning money.
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You gotta use history as your guide history with the Patriots,
Richard seymour Um like, you just kind of go through
Logan Mankins and I understand that Brady is not Logan Mankins.
Tom Brady's dad even came out like, yeah, it's probably
gonna happen. At some point. It's going to happen. And
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my guess is that they look there and they're like, well,
why would we trade Jimmy Garoppolo when we think he's
just starting quarterback in the NFL? Is the hardest things
to find. Let's just play this thing out out. As
long as we can play this thing out, keep kicking
that can down the road, and eventually we'll have to
make a decision. And we know what the decision is
gonna be. We just don't need to make that decision
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right now. We're coming off of Super Bowl. Their favorites
there the over under is, what is it, twelve and
a half games? Is that what we said it was yesterday,
twelve and a half games of the over under. They're
they're they're for the favorites to win the Super They
won the Super Bowl without their best offensive player. It's
not Tom Brady, it's Rob Gronkowski. Rob Gronkowski is a
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mismatch in the NFL, the ultimate mismatch. There's nobody you
can put on him to which he does not. He
cannot get open um, and they put better pieces around them.
So there's a chance that my guests would be that
even if it works out this year, they don't get
rid of Garoppolo. Why would they you keep him? He
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signed to a contract somewhere in between what a starter
and what a backup makes and you backloaded knowing that
Tom Brady, now he'd be forty he can say. Everybody says,
how long do you want to do? The odd top
forty five? It sounds great, Tommy, But at some point
he'll be replaced, whether he's traded, whether it's released, whether
he retired. That that's all for the future to decide,
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but to say it will never ever happen, period. This
is the way it works.
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Got a lot of football to talk about today, including
the Redskins former GM throwing some shade at the quarnerback
whom he offered a contract too, but not a big
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enough contract to to lock him into a long term deal.
Scott mcclunen has spoken out about the the talent and
upside and ceiling of Kirk Cousins. You will want to listen. Plus,
I'm kind of interesting what Bill Polian has said about
the future of the New England Patriots and Tom Brady
and how they might not actually coincide. Uh that and
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to this point, the President has not fired anybody ahead
at at the top of any government field. But it's
only nude on the West coast. So stay tuned, man.
We got a lot to get to last night, hoops,
and we finally got good hoops. You've been waiting, You've
been waiting, You've been waiting, and we told you that
the series that would most likely produce a good game
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six in game seven produce a really interesting Game five
feels like a missed opportunity for the Houston Rockets, uh
and feels like the things that we the things that
we undervalue with the NBA. Like you'll hear people who
are either a sports radio guy who really are kind
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of fanboys. They'll say, like, well, you know, coaching doesn't
really matter, Yes, it actually really does. They'll say nobody
plays defense, Yes, they actually really really do. Conditioning, confidence,
these things are all important and they and and frankly,
toughness and toughness is It's like the famous definition of pornography.
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I can't necessarily define it, but I know it when
I see it. And I saw it from the Spurs.
I saw Gregg Popovich sit his best player at an
important time, and I saw Mono Genoble once again come
up big. Whether it's getting buckets or forcing fouls, or
getting drives, the big dunk and of course the big
block shot Mano genobly showed why by my estimation, I
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don't know if he's the best international player of all time,
right they the best international players in NBA history are
probably a chemalized one and then Dirk Niviski, right like,
in terms of overall talent. But the last time I checked,
it's just me. We keep score for a reason, right Like.
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I understand that the scoreboard doesn't always tell the story,
but it sure does tell um a good amount of
those stories. If you look back on Michael Jackson's career,
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you guys, Michael Jackson fans and Michael Jackson is an
interesting career because I'm hard pressed to find anybody who's
a child of the eighties like I was, that didn't
like Michael Jackson. Now, the stuff that came out at
the end of his life and post and and post
mortem um, if true, is revolting. But for whatever reason,
(03:40):
most of us we're able to separate it, right, We're
able to separate Michael Jackson the artist and Michael Jackson
the person and what he has many times been over
been alleged to have done correct. But let's just talk
about Michael Jackson the artist. When Quincy Jones was his producer,
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his albums were insanely good. When Quincy Jones wasn't his producer,
his albums were hit or miss, right, And like, look,
Quincy Jones eighty four years old. If you look at
the people whom he's touched, they've almost all won when
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he's been involved with their records. Right, there's something too, Hey,
every time that guy's around, it's I'm a big John
Hughes movie guy. You gause know John Hughes is all right,
think back if you're a little bit older than Ryan Music,
if you're Ramos's age and you're my age. And I
started naming off Breakfast Club, I started naming off Ferris
(04:45):
Bueller's Day, off sixteen Kids, Weird Signs, Wait, wait, wait,
there's more planes, trains and automobiles, Uncle Buck, all those
Chicago based movies. But then I kind of go on
Home Alone, Home Alone to Beethoven, Like you keep all
of those are John Hughes movies, and like, what what
is the connective tissue with them? Is? They're all John
the movies. I bring it up because there's something to
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this Monto Genoble guy. Did he bring the flamboyant sort
of flopping of Argentinean soccer to the United States. You
could make the argument, sure, and we might not be
the better because of it, But this dude has the
mightas touch. By my estimation, he might not be the best,
but let's go let's correctly contextualize. He has been the
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most successful. He has been the most influential European basketball
player foreign but he's not European but international basketball player
in the history of the NBA, the history of the NBA,
and by the way, let's take away the NBA. Let's
just say he's been the most influential. Let's like take two.
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Mono Genoble is the most influential international basketball player, not
an American born basketball player, in the history of the
game period. Stop and before you say, well, what is
he actually done? How? How I hold on now? Early
in his life he won two European Championships, play in Italy.
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He led the Argentinian national team to a World championship,
which was by the way, on our soil in Indianapolis.
Then he won a gold medal. Go back and look
historically at Argentina and try and find someplace in which
they were competitive ever internationally before Monto Genoble and his
his countrymen came of age. You cannot find it. And
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then you fast forward to the San Antonio Spurs, who,
during this run with Greg Popovich, have won five titles.
He's been a part of four of them. And when
you tracked their successful runs, almost all of them coincide
with Monto Genoble being healthy. Almost all of the collapses
have to do with Monta Geobile not being healthy. Like
is Derek a better score? Of course he is. Dirk
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was the m v P. But it's important to note
Dirk Nevitski's Dallas Mavericks team, whatever you want to say
about his supporting cast, like he has more first round
losses as a superstar player than he does first round
wins first round. Okay, I'm not sending the bar at
NBA Finals or NBA Western Conference Championships first round losses.
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And you could say a chemalize you on who won
two titles, one the year Jordan was out, the other
the year Jordan's came back mid season and he wasn't
sharp and they lost the Orlando Magic, Like I think
it seems great. He's the best low post score we've
had in the past thirty years. And he started out
as a guy who had no post moves to being
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kind of the definitive that guy can score in the
post in a myriad of ways. The athleticism and he
was like a lift down there. He's right, but you
know what he didn't do. It didn't win as much
as as Mona Genoble and between Genoble and he's right
now at this point his career, thirty nine years old,
he's he's like there's a Toby Keith song. See, I
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ain't as good as I'm as good as that once was,
but I'm as good once as I ever was. And
don't take my word for it. Listen to Mike D'Antoni
and what he said, he's the coach of the Rockets,
and what he said about Manu after the game, Well,
figures that man who at least have one or two
good games and on you know, you knew that was
going to happen. Um, that's why he's a champion. He's great.
He's been great on his whole life. Everywhere in Europe
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and then over here, he's great. He's been great. You're like,
well he didn't start. He's been all a third team
All NBA twice. Did you know this? That Hall of
Famer Reggie Miller was only third team All NBA once.
That's it, Like, do you know how good he is?
He's a transformative player. The position that Monta Genobody plays.
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His point forward one to three could play the four.
Did he bring flopping to the NBA? Sure? Did he
bring versatility to the NBA? Absolutely, He's also one of
those guys that he's going left and there's nothing you
can do about it. But he's like Quincy Jones. He's
like John Hughes. You go back in track and everything
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this guy brushed up against somehow was successful and that
has a value. And while you can tell me Dirk
Navitsky is a better score, he is great player. I'm
not trying to take shots at Dirk Navitski normal trying
to take shots at a Kimalajah one. But the last
time I checked, the reason we keep score is determined
who wins and who loses. Like, why do we play
the game? We get so caught up in points per
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game and assist per game, Like, here's all that really
matters who actually won the game, and this guy's team
wins more than they lose, wins important games. He's in
at the end of the game. He's influencing at both
ends that partial portion of the game. What you saw
last night was just a snippet of a Hall of
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Fame career and by my estimation, the most influential, the
best all around non American born player in the history
of basketball. And like so many guys when they get
to the late thirties, he as good as he once was,
but he's as good ones as he ever was. Be
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Show weekdays at three p m. Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app radio.
Back in the two thousand one draft, he was the
number one overall pick, ahead of Tyson Chandler, who came
right out of high school as he did, ahead of
Pau Gasol of course, Eddie Curry, Jason Richardson, Shane Batty,
a Eddie Griffin to Sonya Jop as well, that's as
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your there's your top, uh, Rodney White, and Joe Johnson.
Joe Buckets was tenth in that draft. He's cawal me.
Brownie's kind of have to spend some time of this
year on Fox Sports Radio. Call me, how are you doing?
Good man? So you're playing in the in the Big Three,
playing a little three on three hoop? Absolutely alright? So, um,
what's this like for were you to be somebody who
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was a number one overall pick, went through the ups
and downs of the NBA and now kind of putting
yourself back on center stage and playing three on three basketball,
and and for people who don't know the Big Three,
which will be on Fox Sports one, it's gonna be
kind of like theater in the round, like there's mean people.
It's gonna be a cool set up. What's this like
for you? Well, I guess if you call the NBA
up and down, it was never a down for me
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on the court wise it may have been a little fustion.
But coming from my background when I came from, everything
in the NBA is trust me. No. I Look, that's
a great person. That's a great perspective that if you
were to characterize your NBA career, how would you characterize it?
I would characterize it as a bunch of people, uh,
putting labels on somebody who never asked for those labels.
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All I did was pursuing my dream, and I reached
a goal that most kids from the inner city only
dream about. And I persevered through homers, shelters and doing
anything and I can't do to get there, only to
be labeled, you know, as Michael Jordan's pick. And that's
the whole thing that follows me. You know, the reason
why they say I can't play basketball is almost based
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on this pick and who picked me. I've been on
several different teams and people go away. I was down
in Charlotte when I was healthy, double double and two quarters.
No reporter reported on it, nobody said anything. But then
when I go to the Lakers, I need a shoulder
surgery and I need an ankle surgery, and I go
out there and I can't dunk a basketball and it's
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all over YouTube. Uh, it's interesting. But me, I've always
kept the personality that the niche cup Chack brings me
into a room and said, hey, look, we take you
eight million dollars. All we need to do is play
decentse and you better then we'll understand that I'm gonna
play defense. And I've never been a guy who cared
about numbers. So I went out there on one leg
and one shoulder and I did my job. You know,
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it's it's it's interesting because I talked to the Cleveland
people and they and you know, obviously, like Anthony Bennet,
like you had a much better career than like an
Anthony Bennett who was the league at the end of
this year. Like your your third year, you average eleven
a game, eight rebounds a game in Washington, playing nearly
the entire season. But but what happens is I don't
know if it's as much Michael Jordan's pick as much
as it's the number one overall pick. Right, Like if
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Greg Oden goes two or three, it's not that big
a deal that his body let him down. But his
body let him down. If you go, you know, to
three or four, your body lets you down, you you
break down to your career is not as long. It's
not as big a story, doesn't Isn't it more about
being the number one overall pick than it is about
anything else. Listen, I'm a competitor, and you know you
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don't get the ball very much when you play on
the team with Michael join and Kobe Bryant and dupul
Arenas and Las Hughes and Antoine Jamison and all these
scores that I played with. But if you do that
jet up all over again in the race, everybody's buying
about who did what after the second hindsight, I would
be the number one pick all over again. And so
when you the steal set of a six eleven guy
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who can bring the ball up the floor, to teach
jam the tournament is up there and to teach you
damn the Roundball Classic. Those wasn't mistake. You see a
six eleven guy doing whatever he wants to do with
the floor. You know, nobody talks about that. Doug Collin
has introduced me to the dunker, and that's where I stayed.
And that's what I did my time, and I turned
myself into a descender and a rebounder. And I lasted
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twelve years doing something that I was asked to do.
But trust me, if I had to do it all
over then to do another one cook again. Kwamie Brown
joining us, She's getting ready for the Big Three. That's
the three on. Big three is a professional three on
three basketball league highlighted with the biggest basketball Superstars. You
gonna ticket master dot com. Ice Cube obviously is one
of the found founders of this league. The first the
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first event is going to be in Brooklyn, New York.
I guess the question becomes, how much do you have
in the tank? Your body has gone through a lot, right,
You mentioned the surgeries, you mentioned the pounding of being
in the league, of playing inside in a man's game.
How much do you have left and tank? Because this
is what we're told is it's going be not it's
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gonna be very loosely officiated, very physical brand of basketball.
Can your body stand up to the toll? I think
I'm a surprised a lot of people. I think a
lot of people jumped on the bandwagon of things that
they heard and not seen. Um, they don't realize the
quickness that I have. They don't realize the skill set
that I have with the ball. Um. When I was
in Charlotte, nobody other games and you know that that
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scene and you talked about in Washington where the whole
third of the month, and you know, I played against
Chris whatever and uh domined on deal a couple of games.
They had a couple of monster games against them. Those
games they buried. So I think now it will be
a chance for some of the fans who have just
jumped on the bandwagon because you know, in a legend
like Michael Jordan's says that you can't play and this
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said what I've never heard him say that. But when
you talk about the hands and all these things, and
people jump on the bandwagon and just go with the flow.
Most media outlets they don't know anything about Finding Brown.
Never saw me play in high school. But because someone
else said, they just jump on the bandwagonn't be negative.
But you can't get to the level that I've gotten
too not knowing how to play. You can definitely allow
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people to make you lose your confidence or whatever else.
Ye you definitely uh, you know, basketball player in the
NBA does not know how to play. You put them
up against the average president to kill him. So but
we're not talking about the average person. We talk about
NBA player. No, no, no, listen, listen. It's funny. I
had breakfast this morning with cold basketball guys, and of
course I was. I never made it. I played internationally,
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was in summer leagues. I've never made it. And we're
talking about Clay Thompson's brother. He has one brother that
plays for the Dodgers. Been another brother who played at
Pepperdine and had a cup of coffee in the NBA,
and the guys are like, oh, well, he can't play.
I was like, oh, hold on, dude, he played in
the NBA. There's four hundred fifty dudes who played in
the NBA this year. Four d fifty. That's that's how
many NBA players. Like, there's five hundred thousand kids who
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play high school basketball, Like, don't tell me you can't play.
I had the exact same, exact same response, Um, what
what like for people to go back and do you
just look and don't just join the conference? My first year,
I average was having an eight minutes of game five
point five points that those are those are not numbers
of a number one draft pick, but those are not
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minutes of the number one drafts to keep. And so
every time that HAM had to play thirty minutes or
twenty minutes, just I wish somebody would just do their
job and just break down when I scored in those minutes,
because it's it's on the same level as a double
double or close to a double double as any on
a side player in the league. And that's what people
don't do, and that's how I lasted so long. My
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agent was go get the numbers and compared to players
who played thirty minutes, and it's right on pace with
the numbers of the starting center. But when you play
a guy five or six minutes, what do you think
somebody's going to get done? Well, it's it's impossible. Like
any anybody with anybody with the brain understands that. Okay,
so a couple of things here. Um, let's start with
(17:47):
the one and done rule. When you were coming out,
you come straight out of high school, obviously had a
tough upbringing, and so I don't know what your perspective
on it is. To you, what's the perfect rule? Should
players be made have to go to college for a year,
they have to go to college for two years? Or
did you do you like the idea of going straight
from high school? To the press listening, we all know
(18:08):
we could should the code it. We could pretend like
those players that going to college for four and a
half months or stop months just to get through the
basketball season. We can pretend like that more mature than
I am. We can pretend like it's not about the
university getting all American and two millions a five minute
of you for having all Americans. We can pretend and
if you want me to do out with you. But
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a kid that goes on to a college for one year,
you actually heard in that kid. Really you're hearting The
investage is because if somebody else could have got that
schollege ship and could have gone on and got an edituation,
you know this guy's not going. I'll tell you when
they'll change the room back. If these top players start
going to HBCUs I there on TU, they'll say, oh,
then'll come on high school. Because I think that's why
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some of the bad mouthing and the readily think they
have with me. They're trying to make me to post
a child on why not to come out. But I
own two or three buildings in seven eight homes that
i'm that I've ran out or I sail. So to
act like I'm something a story that you should be
a little or bad like that'siculous. So to stop free
enterprise and to stop people from going out and being
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game included, Tell me why the soccer player gets to go,
Tell me why the baseball player gets to go. You know,
if you could, if you could go back and change
one thing about your student. Oh no, no, no, no no,
you let me let me finish real quick. Kwamy Brown
joining us part of the Big Three, Big three on
three professionally getting ready to start this summer start up
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by ice Cube. So many former NBA stars, either coaching
or playing like Quam is in this league. If you
could go back to your rookie or second year and
and tell Huama, then something Quama now knows, what would
it be? I would beg to be traded away from
their college? Why Doug college is you can actually time
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commins and Grant he know on like you and something's wrong.
Grant you was one of the greatest guys in the world.
And then I think everybody that plays for him and
says that every all the right things because it affects them.
And Doug is a very important guy in basketball. He
has a great basketball mind, don't don't get me wrong,
but the mind games that he plays. And if you'll
be in the same room he's talking about you and
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try to get another guy to go against you. You know,
nineteen thirty five, nobody wants to be played with and
these are this is a livelihood that this guy plays with.
He's just a micro manager and he's just not a
very good coach when it comes to that. If you
want him to help to play and exits you. Now,
who's he's a basketball mind? Sure, but does he relate
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to his players? Actually that's coming from the African Americans.
Absolutely not. And I'm I'm just it's not gonna affect
me to say that now. But if you can act
some of those players and they'll speak from the heart
and they'll be honest, I'll tell you what. Go grab
Eton Thomas, You'll definitely tell you. I've trust me, dude,
I've heard it. And it's interesting saying how many stops
(21:00):
you know, Like, look, Jordan's second he left, Jordan's started winning,
and of course we know how it ended so many
other places. He is a fabulous basketball mind. But there
are other parts to coaching men in the NBA. Alright, So,
uh so who is who is a qualmy um? Richard
Lewis is your captain. Jason Williams is your co captain.
Macmodob like that dude can still get buckets. Gary Payton's
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your coach, So like have you guys started practicing together.
You guys started working out. I guess three on three.
I'm just wondering, like, is it just all pick and roll?
You're gonna get the post up? Like, what's it gonna be? Like? Well,
three on three is uh? You know, usually it's a
smash mount type of basketball. It's usually we do what's
called picking a scam. Because you're a little guy, you
go into the block, you gotta be able to whole
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you home. So that's why a lot of guys they
didn't even draft point guys. They just drafted big, strong
guys and they're just gonna probably take the kicking role.
Is inddressing? H It would be hid if everybody to
switch and if you can have a big, less athletic
that keeps the heart would be the ideal situation. Once
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you start switching and showing to go on the picking roads,
you've got dunks all over the place. Uh, what are
your last thing? What are your thoughts on the evolution
or maybe d evolution of big guys in the NBA.
You know, because it's so physical in the NBA game
in the low post, and because they don't they call
all the fouls out in the perimeter. Everybody's playing four
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out one end, or you know, pick and roll and
keep the lane open. Some teams even playing like the
Calves will play five out at times of chaining, Fry
floating shooting threes and Lebron playing like kind of de
facto power forward. Do you like that evolution of the game?
I mean yes and no. Um, I know why I
have to get it. You got if you look at
Tony Coukos when they played Michael uh Olympics or whatever.
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You know, when I watched, they said Tony Cucos was
all the world. And then when you saw how big
and strong Scotty Picking and Michael Jordan went over there
and what they did and said, we'll wait a minute.
We got to change these rules in this game because
these players can play and says cool. So they made
size not as important. You know, when I go play
a pick up ball at the park on basketball corps
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and help in the NBA, we don't let you didn't
start playing. So they emplement this room called freedom of Goodman,
which only means we want to see more points because
we want fans in the seats because the destroyed distance.
We're talking a great basketball who they wanted but there's
a big day and not had to seventy eight and
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all that. That's not exciting. We want to see high
flying thunks. We want to see though it's more five.
This the business of basketball. Now you've got you got
little kids wanting to beast. That's clearly and calls the
other players. So you gotta let them be able to play,
to play up under the old blue schoo knows it
would be interesting call me. I appreciate you join us.
(23:56):
I really appreciate how candid you were uh in answering
all of our questions. Can't wait to see in the
Big Three with the three headed Monsters coached by GP
coach by Gary Payton. Thanks for being our guest on
Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug gott Leaves Show weekdays at three pm Easter
noon Pacific. Here's Scott McLuhan in regards to why they
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haven't compensated Kirk cousins like he wants to be compensated.
Everybody says it's the most important position on the field,
which I understand he's touching the ball every snap, but
if the guys around them, you know, it's all of
a sudden. If you're over paying the quarterback, then you're
gonna lose an offensive lineman. You know, you're gonna lose
a defensive linemen. You're gonna lose a corner because you
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can't even the cap. You can't afford it smart Like, look,
there's a it's the reason that the Dallas Cowboys hit
a home run with Dak Prescott. Is Dak Prescott a
top five quarterback in the league. No, but he's a
fourth round pick who has to I don't know if
you guys know this. They cannot renegotiate his contract over
(25:01):
the next two years. There's there's no there's a clause
in the Collective Barten Agreement that they cannot renegotiate his
contract over the next two years. So he's making less
than a million dollars this season as quarterback, which allows you,
because this gallery cap, to spread all that money around
(25:22):
and somewhere in between that and what he's actually worth
or what Andrew luck money were like, Look, this is
what Tom, this is why Tom Brady took less Because
in order to really be successful, you gotta have an
offensive line, you gotta have a really good defense, and
if they're trying to be fiscally responsible and say, hey,
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look dude, we think you're good, but we we won.
We don't think you're worth twenty five million dollars a year,
and two like that's not really smart to run a
football team that way. We think sixteen million dollars a
year is about right, maybe seventeen not overpay you. And
oh yeah, by the way, we surround you with better
talent which allows you to have a better career for longer. Yes,
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Ryan music is the issue with the Redskins at this
point though, since they've used the franchise tag on Cousins
twice that number one, they've now raised their number of negotiation. Like,
if you're paying Kirk Cousins, it's almost twenty four million
dollars this year, you're now a guaranteed, by the way,
and he's twenty million dollars last year. So they paid
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him forty four million guaranteed over two years exactly. So
this is the issue, and you know this more than
most people, with you know, having an agent, and all
of those his agents now saying, oh, so you want
us to take a pay cut if you're gonna ask
him to take sixteen, seventeen, twenty million dollars a year.
You're effectively asking him to take a pay cut now. Well,
and and and what the and what the Redskins will
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say is, hey, look, if we gave you a contract,
you know, if we gave you a hundred million dollar
contract that I had sixty seventy five seventy five million
dollars and guarantees, you know we have already paide forty
four million dollars in guarantees. The Redskins are betting on
the idea. Last year they the year they won the division,
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the Eagles were a disaster, right. The Cowboys were a
disaster because they had injuries and the New York Giants
found ways to Tom Coughlin got fired because they mismanaged
the game down the stretch. Right. The Washington Redskins didn't
actually beat a team with a winning record the year
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they won the division with Kirk Cousins or quarterback, zero
wins over a team with a winning record, not one.
And so you can tell me he's great. I would
tell you he's good. And they want to pay him.
Got man like he's good. And I don't believe Scott
McCluin lost his job because he didn't want to pay
Kirk Cousins. I think what he's saying is what everybody
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in the Redskins organization is saying. And Cousins wants to
be compensate, like a guy who threw forty yards. And
they're like, look, he's good, he's good in our system.
We like him, but we're not gonna pay him top
five quarterback money because he's not a top five quarterback.
And oh yeah, by the way, he's more likely to
be successful. We're more likely to be successful if he
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signs for a reasonable sum of money. And if we
lose him because of it, fine, and oh yeah, by
the way, they're rolling the dice on him having an
average year this year, to which his powers of negotiation
won't be great. I kind of agree with that philosophy.
I might be alone on that island. Fox Sports Radio
has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch
all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot com
(28:36):
and within the I Heart Radio app. It's a great
article from Tom Current of Comcast Sports Net New England
where they cover, among other things, New England Patriots. Uh.
He starts by saying, look, Tom Brady is thirty nine
years old, hasn't showed any showed and he signs. Do
you say showed or shown hasn't shown it? I don't
look he's the writer somehow got approved. We'll go with
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showed showed any signs of slowing. But Jimmy Garoppolo's contract
doesn't last for reverence. The Patriots believe he's the quarterback
in the future. Bill Belichick might have to nudge Brady
out of the starting role once the franchise gives Garoppolos
starting money. Quote the night Garoppolo was drafted and Belichick
mentioned Brady's age and contract situation, the end game was underway.
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It's taken a lit longer to arrive because Brady has
beaten back the Garoppolo challenge with the best football of
his life. But that's probably the only reason the Patriots
haven't pulled the ripcord already. That's probably a pretty good reason.
By the way, the Patriots don't necessarily trade a starter
when his backup is better than him. They trade a
starter when in a season or two, the backup will
be cheaper approximately as good as the starter yields return
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in a trade. So here's the thing to any of you.
Everyone knows Father time is undefeated. It's just a matter
of when father time decides to check into the game.
And you can only do the avocado ice cream for
so long to which eventually it's gonna kept catch up
to you. Now he's at a position which ages l
and he's been able to take care of his body,
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and they built a team around him who protects him.
He's smart enough to get rid of the football and
not take big hits. But at some point in time,
it's gonna catch up to him. And where do you
think this is. It's craziness that will never happen. It's
Tom Brady where Joe Montana finished his career, where Brett
Farr finished his career. Peyton Manning, granted, got hurt, had
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multiple surgeries, but he was coming back ended up having
statistically the most successful year in the history of the
position in Denver. And if you ask the Colts would
you make that move again, they'd say absolutely not just
not just because they got Andrew Luck and they kept
Andrew Luck. Not just because of that. Andrew Luck also
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was more cost effective his first couple of years then
it would have been had they had Peyton Manning. Did
they screw up some of the some of the use
of that money, sure, but it made them they were
a playoff team. They went to the FC Championship, right,
and that likely wouldn't have been possible because you would
have had to play pay Peyton Manning Peyton Manning money.
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You gotta use history as your guide history with the Patriots,
Richard seymour Um like, you just kind of go through
Logan Mankins and I understand that Brady is not Logan Mankins.
Tom Brady's dad even came out like, yeah, it's probably
gonna happen. At some point. It's going to happen. And
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my guess is that they look there and they're like, well,
why would we trade Jimmy Garoppolo when we think he's
just starting quarterback in the NFL? Is the hardest things
to find. Let's just play this thing out out. As
long as we can play this thing out, keep kicking
that can down the road, and eventually we'll have to
make a decision. And we know what the decision is
gonna be. We just don't need to make that decision
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right now. We're coming off of Super Bowl. Their favorites
there the over under is, what is it, twelve and
a half games? Is that what we said it was yesterday,
twelve and a half games of the over under. They're
they're they're for the favorites to win the Super They
won the Super Bowl without their best offensive player. It's
not Tom Brady, it's Rob Gronkowski. Rob Gronkowski is a
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mismatch in the NFL, the ultimate mismatch. There's nobody you
can put on him to which he does not. He
cannot get open um, and they put better pieces around them.
So there's a chance that my guests would be that
even if it works out this year, they don't get
rid of Garoppolo. Why would they you keep him? He
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signed to a contract somewhere in between what a starter
and what a backup makes and you backloaded knowing that
Tom Brady, now he'd be forty he can say. Everybody says,
how long do you want to do? The odd top
forty five? It sounds great, Tommy, But at some point
he'll be replaced, whether he's traded, whether it's released, whether
he retired. That that's all for the future to decide,
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but to say it will never ever happen, period. This
is the way it works.
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