January 5, 2018 • 40 mins
Doug dives in on the drama with the New England Patriots and why he's not surprised to find out there's a feud between Bill Belichick and Tom Brady, and why he doesn't think it's as bad as everyone thinks it is. He also discusses Jon Gruden getting $100 million to be the Raiders new head coach and if that's too much money. Saints running back Alvin Kamara joins the show to talk about his stellar rookie season and what he expects in his first NFL playoff game against the Panthers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio. All Right, so, um, We're coming to
you live from the great city of Eugene, Oregon, tonight
on Fox Sports one. Seven o'clock Pacific Coast time. It's
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a little ten o'clock East coast time. I'll be on
the call. The Civil War. There's an oxymoron, right. Civil
War went Oregon, Oregan State Corvallis, Oregan, forty five minutes
up the road. It was raining this morning and sunny
now and it's gonna rain later. That's because it's Oregon. Um,
nobody really cares about that today. What everyone cares about is,
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I guess two sides. One the Patriot story, which ESPN
dot com uh dropped late last night, and uh the
the details of the soon to be finalized contract between
John Gruden and the Oakland Raiders for what is rumored
to be one hundred million dollars hundred billion dollars, no
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million million dollars. Dr evil doctor. You know no one.
It would be great though, is if uh even if
Gruden shows up to the press conference in one of
those old white jumpsuits that the laid out Davis used
to wear. That'd be amazing, That'd be amazing. Um. I
do think it's like the the entire Gruden thing has
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gotten hilarious from how people react to it. But I
think there could also be some sort of correlation there. Look,
I read in its entirety, I read the the Seth
Seth Wickersham piece, and either he takes a ton of
poetic license, I mean a ton, you know, where he
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just assumes things that were said to him because there
are no hard quotes in there. It's it's not that
he's it's not that he's um, he's quoting unidentified people.
There are italics in there, which it's like, well, either
either Bill Belichick and others told him these things and
just simply didn't want to go quote just don't quote
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me on it. Or he took what a bunch of
people said and had his own theories and how he
believes it went down right, and that kind of like
the takeaway. But I also think that that this is
like when it's almost like a text like one of
the dangers to texting something, one of the danterest tweeting
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something is We don't. We don't know your tone, We
don't know the intonation of your voice. We also don't
know kind of the context sometimes of where a tweet,
like if you're if it's a reactionary tweet, what are
you reacting actually too? Well, the same can be said
for this if you're taking if you're taking quotes. You know,
if Bill Belichick is bummed or is upset when he
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comes out of a long meeting with rober or Craft
as to what to do um what to do with
the quarterback position. Okay, but when you say mad, when
you say upset, is it I want to burn the
whole thing down? Or is it you just lost and
it didn't go your way? Like? Which is it? I
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think you can take things that are legitimate from the story,
and I don't have any reason to believe that Seth
with Wickersham made any of this stuff up. I'm sure
he has solid sources, And so even the idea of
anonymous sources doesn't scare me off because Deep Throat was
an anonymous source and that's what made Watergate what it was. Like.
They're just certain people who can't go on the record
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and tell you things. So you've got substantial reason to
believe that most of the things are somewhere close to
the truth. It's just how you take the truth. But
the only thing that really really matters, only things that matter,
I would say, who the who, who is the leak
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or who is leaking the most? And in with that
you have to who has the most to gain by
the story? And then what does it due to the
Patriots in the short term? What does it do to
the Patriots in the long term? Right? Like short term?
It feels like this is the type of story that
galvanizes the Patriots. That's kind of like it just happens
to come out now, right before they happen to go
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be playing in the playoffs where they happen to be
the number one seed to maybe win their six championship
together in seventeen years. It feels like a galvanizing story.
But is it a story to which Belichick wanted out
there because he wants the rest of the league to
know that, hey, he's soon to be out of here.
And he looks around the league and he sees John
Gruden getting ten years, one hundred million dollars and says
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billion dollars, Right like if John grew new won one
Super Bulls worth a hundred million dollars? How much is
Bill Belichick worth? But like, look, I hate to tell
you this, but there's dysfunction, agesum, egos, machismo in any
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successful corporation, on any successful team anywhere in the world. Like,
this is not groundbreaking stuff. And the three questions that
that we we need, we will at some point, I
think get answers to one we may never get answered to,
which is who is the league? The second is what
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does this mean for Brady and the Patriots? And third
maybe what does it What does it mean for the
short term, doesn't mean for the long term, because there
is a certain sense that, well, it's really hard. This
is what you know. Guy who has been divorced always says,
you know, it's really hard for to people to live
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together for twenty years. You know, guy who gets fired
from a coaching job, I had a coach tell me
last year, you know, you make a new enemy. There's
a coaching saying you make a new enemy every year.
I've been here eighteen years at eighteen enemies. And maybe
that's the story here with Brady is Hey, look, every
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run comes to an end and almost all of them
and ugly. Joe Montana that one ended ugly. Brett Farve,
that one ended ugly. I mean, think of the great
quarterbacks of our lifetime. Peyton Manning was shown the door
in Indie. It may not have ended ugly on the surface,
but you know, I guarantee it. It was not the
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fact that Peyton Manning had to leave and go to
a different place at the time. And it even had
the chance of ending ugly in Denver when he got
pulled and then was uh put back into the starting lineup.
Troy Hagman, that thing only ended ugly because it didn't
end ugly because he suffered so many concussions. He didn't
make it to the end of his career. Same thing
with with with Steve Young. So maybe this is more
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of the story, is that in an effort to just
stay married, just stay let's just stay together, how Kobe
Bryant like. It may not have necessarily ended ugly for Kobe,
but it brought down the Lakers as a franchise, like
let's not misremember where the Lakers are now? Is is
very much a reflection, uh and a reaction to the
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fact that Kobe took too much money and was too
big a part of their game plan, and he had
to have hand pick his own coach who was not
qualified to coaching the twenty one century didn't one I'm
shooting three point shots. So even the ones that make
it the distance, like Kobe and the Lakers, there can
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be a lot of ugliness and pettiness and the franchise
isn't the better because of it. And otherwise most of
these relationships all end up fizzling out in the end um.
But the the big what happens with Belichick in the
future is he the leak because he's the only one
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who you would think stands to benefit from this. I mean,
there are just certain things in there to which you're
reading And if you haven't read the article, you know
not only did he text Kyle Shanahan the day they
decided to trade, but it says that he always he
admired Kyle Shanahan and Kyle's dad because Kyle's dad stood
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up for him against the NFL during Spygate. Like, how
would Seth quicker Sham know that either he's conflating other
stories that he's read about, that he's known about, that
he's talked about or Bill Belichick gave him that story
and said, just don't put my fingerprints on it, but
his fingerprints are all over it. Music. You read the story,
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what was your what was your big takeaway? I just
think that it's something we all knew about. We we
could tell that at some point with the Jimmy Garoppolo,
the Bill Belichick, the Robert Craft of that whole situation
with Jimmy Garoppolo up and coming, there was going to
be some type of con flicked. And now that you
hear the details, you're just like, oh, okay, and you
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want to make it seem like a bigger deal than
it actually is. It's almost as if we kind of
knew that something was going on, but people think it's
the end all be all, just because they finally have
words to prove it. Yeah. I I also would think
like there's other weird parts of the story. The fact
that Garoppolo is repped by the same guy as Tom Brady. Uh,
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that leads me to believe that that Don Ye probably
some of the one of the sources kind of on
on this deal. Um, But that that that just that
just weird, right, Like they're they were offering I mean,
they were offering. I mean a lot of it explains things. Hey, look,
we offered Garoppolo seventeen million a year. He didn't want
an eighteen million dollars he he didn't want it, and
so they're like, all right, well we gotta move on
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from him. And um, they chose, you know, they chose Brady.
They chose what they knew, the devil they knew versus
the devil that they thought they might know but don't
know for sure. Like there's some there's some stuff there.
There's the Garoppolo went into TB twelve to get worked
I get his shoulder worked on, which seems odd to me,
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Like all of a sudden, you get hurt and now
you're gonna go to the TB twelve workshop Like that
seems weird to me. That one feels like that came
from an agent more than came from you know, because
why would Garoppolo care? But I I do think that
Garoppolo has been so good that there had to be
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some sort of explanation. How could Bill Belichick make such
a horrible trade and just give away a franchise maybe
top ten who knows, top five quarterback in years to
come in the NFL how could he do that? Is
this Belichick going like, look, my hands were tied. Even then,
it doesn't explain why you only asked for a second?
Should ask for a first? Hey man, I've seen this cat.
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He's a first and a third and next year's second.
Trust me on this. It's a good deal. So the
story leaves us with answers, may or questions, maybe more
than answers. But does it derail the Patriots in the
short term and how does it play out in the
long term. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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That's the sense of the Saints of change. But have
they or have they simply found their newest edition of
Reggie Bush right like when they won the Super Bowl.
Reggie Bush may never have lived up to the touting
of winning a Heisman Trophy in college and how he
dominated college, but it was that you could put Reggie
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Bush anywhere on a football field and he was more
than effective. You had to pay attention because he could
get the ball and take it to the house. That's
what Alvin Kamara has given them, and you know, we
all saw the addition by subscribed a subtraction, and Adrian
Peterson wanted the ball, but they had two running backs
that were better and better fits for what they want
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and fit together. And since the moment that Peterson was jettisoned,
the offense is taken off and the guy that everybody's
talking about joins us. Now on the Doug Gotlip Show.
Alvin Kamara, rookie with the New Orleans Saints getting ready
to host the Carolina Panthers in a playoff game. Alvin,
how are you No? I'm good? How are you good? Man?
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I read a story that when you when you first
signed your contract, you get your signing botus in the NFL,
somebody asked you what you bought and you said, I
went and bought wings, accurate or inaccurate? What kind of
what kind of wings? Lemon pepper? So nothing, just just
all lemon pepper? Or do you do you work in
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some barbecue or do you work in some some Jamaican jerk?
Anything else? Uh? Pepper? You're lemon pepper sort of guy.
And and the lemon the lemon is interesting because you're
also you're a warheads dude, like do you have a
drawer at your house that's all warheads? Oh? Airheads, That's
what I mean. I'm in airheads, the the airhead stuff.
So now why now do you do sour belts too,
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or just simply all different kinds of air heads? Yeah?
Uh huh? Do your teeth have to be rough? Like?
Do you how many did times a day to you brush?
Because that stuff that's gonna wear it? Because I had
this thing where I used to love to have a
sower belt. After doing a nightly radio show. Uh, this
is going back years ago, I went to my Dentisty's like, dude,
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those things are wearing down your teeth. Have you gotten
that report from your dentist? My chief is perfectly hope
and take care of them. Alvin Kamara joining us on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. Uh, fresh off an outstanding rookie season. Um,
what what's it been like? What's it been like for
you to to finally get the respect that I know
you felt like you should have gotten in college had
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you not been in kind of a jumble backfield. What's
this experience been like for you? Right? It's been fun?
Do you know that? I mean, I'm just enjoying being
where I'm at, um, enjoying my teammates, enjoying a fan base,
and you know, I'm just trying to keep it going.
You know, playoffs in here, So do I keep it going?
Wait them? I'm cool with it. What's what's Bree has
been like? Because this is a year to which he's
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been called on last to win it with his arm
and now of a sudden, it's more about you, guys,
more about you know, you and Ingram this dynamic, uh
running back combination. What's he been like to work with?
Drew's been great? You know Drew, Drew's super cool guy.
You know what I mean, all the time. Great, you know,
one of the one of it's not the best quarterbacks
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in the history of the league. So I mean just
working with him has been eye opening, a great experience,
you know, learning a lot um, just having a lot
of fun. Alvin Camarow joining us from the on the
Doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports. Trader. You guys,
get the Carolina Panthers at home. Uh, there's been some
great home environments for the Saints this year. Obviously will
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be piked. It feels like it's gonna be better than
it's the Panthers, right like in the same division. Cam,
it's a rival back at home in the playoffs. Um.
Comparing contrast plan in Expool in front of a hundred
thousand plus and playing in the Superdome. What's that energy
like in the Dome and that places when that place
is pumping? Man, the dome is crazy, like crazy crazy
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to dome like my best best like description, and playing
in the Dome is like it's a party, you know
what I'm saying, Like when when people come to the games,
I'm like, watch, this's gonna be a party in there.
Like that's how much energy is in there. It's so
it's fun to play and I love playing it. What
what do you remember about the Carolina defense when in
terms of I mean like, look, you guys want two
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pretty close games. The Carolina defense to you, what's what's
your when you close your eyes? What do you think of? Um?
It's I mean, it's active defense, you know, talented guys
all around. Um, you know, we just gotta be we
gotta be on our game. Alvin Kamar joining us on
the Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
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there's an article I know that you know about out
in New Orleans. It's about you kind of finding a
home him, getting the vibe of the city, feeling like
you belong there. Uh to somebody who hasn't lived in
New Orleans. Um, and you're experienced. Now, what's it like?
What's this experience been like of living there? It's been
It's been super super dope. You know. It's a chill environment,
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a lot of a lot of kind people, um, and
just a lot of a lot of cool energy. You know.
I love living out here. Are you Are you go
to jaz Are you a jazz club guy? Do you
go there's a place that you go chill quietly? Do
you go to? Um? Are you kind of a club
club guy? Or you you kind of keep yourself? I
keep you myself. I mean I go out. I go
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out every once in a while. You know. You know,
I got a few little chill spots, but they won't
be chill spots if I give them up. So I
can't give them up. I feel you. I understand, I
completely understand. We don't want to blove your spot. That's
the last thing that we want to do. UM. Now
here's here's the thing. You're up for. This you're up
for this video, uh t v P award, Right, you're
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up for like this is a true value performer and
you are. I mean you've won people fantasy leagues. Like
have people sent you stuff because you won them that
your fantasy You won them their fantasy league. Yeah, I'm
getting letters, I'm getting boxes of airheads, I'm getting all
type of stuff. Is crazy now is is did you
do the airhead thing because you want to be like
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your skills, you want to get a sponsorship or did
you love airheads? Like going back to when you're a kid,
I've been I'm love there heads before. You know, it's
just a coincidence that I was able to kind of like,
you know, I kind of got the platform to be
able to like just like really so much true appreciation
for airheads. All right, So the true the t v
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P awoard, the true value Performer, the t v p
A would recognize the player who's on field performance exceeds
the value of their contract. Obviously, you can't go back
in and renegotiate your contract, but I don't think anybody
would would dispute the fact, Uh you are you are?
You have achieved a level above that of your pay
Grade Video dot com, slash tv p UM. Pretty amazing
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kind of turnaround for you personally, to go from Tennessee
and all the injuries last season to this year and
having this year, Um, when did you know? Like, when
did you know I'm gonna stick? I'm gonna be the
guy that I know I can be in the NFL.
UM you know, I'm just it's just gradually been getting
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better and better. You know. I just came in with
an over mind and you know, just wanted to be
able to, you know, help the team anyway I can.
And I've been blessed to be able to do a
lot of do a lot of help in this season.
So I'm just, like I said, I'm just trying to
keep it going. You know, we got more games to play,
more games to play. Well, listen, enjoy your airheads, enjoy
your prep. Good luck against the Carolina Panthers. We look
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forward to talking with you really soon. Thanks Alvin, Thank you.
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I know people are freaking out about the numbers with Gruden,
but this actually makes a lot of sense. You had
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to blow him out of the water in order to
John Gruden has been offered other jobs. When I just Tennessee,
there's talk of Texas and football and and there I'm
sure have been other The only way to get a
John Gruden out from the Monday night football booth is
with f you money, right, And that's what ten years,
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one million dollars is. That's this is this is what
we got. This is what we got. And oh yeah,
by the way, you can't. You can't fire a Jack
del Rio who's not a great coach, but as a
competent coach. You can't fire a Jack del Rio unless
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you absolutely know you have that guy like this is
the difference. This is I don't know if you guys
remember this. Urban Meyer was an assistant coach at a
Notre Day So Urban left goes to be the head
coach at Bowling Green. He's awesome at Bowling Green. He
goes to Utah, finished the season undefeated at Utah, and
Notre Dame and Florida both needed a coach. Notre Dame
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flies him and he goes to Notre Dame. First. This
is urban Meyer, same one who won two national championships
in Florida and has won a national championship at Ohio State.
And though though Florida as a greater proximity to players,
like if it was at that point and this point,
it's still no Tree Dame, still Notre Dame. Notre Dame
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offered him two million dollars Florida offered him for he
took the Florida job. Okay, so now look, you can
take shots at the fact that, like I also think
we're missed construing, we're misconstruing Jon Gruden's numbers. Okay, I'm
gonna give me John Gruden's records at where he when
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he coached eight and eight, eight and eight with the
Oakland Raiders, twelve and four, ten and six, right, and
he was so And that was ten and six was
the tuck rule year they had the Patriots beat in
New England and the tuck rule ends up undoing them.
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He had won four playoff games in two years with Oakland.
So he gets traded to Tampa Bay and he takes
over a team and he wins the Super Bowl twelve
and four. Now everybody says the thing fell apart, and
it did. They were seven and nine then five, eleven, five,
and eleven. And people want to point out with the
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last six years of a record, Well, let's look at
the last four years eleven and five, then four and twelve,
and when his four and twelve I believe he lost
like three quarterbacks to injury, and then nine and seven,
nine and seven, These were not disastrous seasons. These were
above five. In other words, he's had three below five
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d seasons in eleven years in the National Football League.
Three And if you want to say, well, man, look
he took over for Tony Dungee and he did, he did,
But look at the new the Tampay Buccaneers haven't seen
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any sort of success since he left. None. None. Their
historic franchise numbers are terrible. He was the best and
biggest name. He was McVeigh before there's McVeigh. He has
a history of success in building up the Raiders and
handing off a Super Bowl team to Bill Callahan and
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then winning a Super Bowl with the with the Tampa
Bay Tampay Buccaneers. You tell me a guy who has
a better resume out there, and the whole idea what
he's been out of the game, Like, no, he hasn't
he hasn't been the head coach, and dude's been doing
the draft. He knows every one of these players. I
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think that the the craziest thing is people taking shots
at Cruden, like, yeah, they had to pay him. He
was making like seven million dollars to not work in
the off season and do Monday night. I did Monday
and football work once a week, and then he had
his Gruden Camp and did the draft. Like, you're gonna
have to overpay. You're gonna have to blow out of
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it because otherwise you're like Notre Dame when you could
have had Urban Meyer and you like, yeah, you know,
we go cheap, Like what's the point of going cheap
on it? If you know that's the guy that you
want and other people have wanted him, and you know
he you know how he fits in with your culture.
This is not a relationship that they don't know what
they're getting into. They know exactly what they're getting into.
And the likelihood is he's better than he was before
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because he's been away from it as a head coach,
but been around it and understood what other people do
well and integrated it. Be sure to catch live editions
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Heart Radio app. I feel like the centerpiece of this story,
you know, all honesty is is not Tom Brady, it's
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not Bill Belichick, it's not Robert Crap, It's Jimmy Garoppolo.
Garoppolo has been so good, better than even even Belichick
could have thought. I mean, he has been so good
that everybody in the league is paying attention to it,
and they're all like, well, what the hell happened? All right?
You didn't want to give him to the Jets, all right,
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you didn't want to give him to Cleveland because because
of what happened when you were in Cleveland. Okay, but
the airs on the Cardinals need a quarterback the or
maybe you don't want to give him to Denver. Denver's
in the ANFC, but they need a quarterback. Houston Texans,
you know, Bill O'Brien's your your your former assistant. He
obviously needs a quarterback. I know he's got Deshaun Watson,
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but Deshawn's coming off in a c L. You got
the Jacksonville Jaguars that they need a quarterback, Like there's
some other teams that need a quarterback out there that
you could have you could have gotten or yeah, I
mean there's that's all this that's to me. That's what
this pieces. This is an explanation for what happened to
how the hell Jimmy Garoppolo end up in San Francisco
for a second round pick, and and in it you
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find out that he was tired of being a backup,
and they did offer him seventeen and eighteen million dollars
guaranteed per year. It was it was made more difficult
because he shared an agent with Tom Brady, which, innocent
of itself, is weird. I guess it provided both of
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them information on the other. And look, I'm repped by
a guy who he reps a lot of a lot
of the biggest guys in sports media. Now, my agent
in particular, does a great job of we're not talking
about other people, is focus on you. But he does
understand the landscape and the possibilities, and that probably not
don't shoot for that. He might not tell me why,
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but my read on this situation is very simple. Jimmy
Garoppolo was the straw that broke the camel's back. They
all have been able to keep this thing together. But
the question is not what has happened. This is an
explanation from at least some people's perspective and the writer's
perspective as what's happened. It's are these issues, are these
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hurt feelings reparable? Or are is this grounds for divorce?
Like look in a seventeen year relationship between Brady and Belichick,
it's like a seventeen year marriage. I've been married for
seventeen years. You're gonna say something now and again that
hurts your wife's feelings. She's gonna say something now and
again that's hurts your feelings. There's gonna be moments to
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which you are disconnected excut me, moments to which you
feel uh, you feel like you're relationship has plateau. Then
there's gonna be moments of pure adulation where you're super close,
you're completely in love and you just couldn't feel any better.
Everything's going great. But the question is like when when
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you get to an issue like this, like is this
the one that are we're gonna end the relationship over it,
or we're just gonna go to therapy and work it out,
or we're gonna talk to one another and have it
out and be mad for a second and then get
over it. That's it's a it's a big question. I
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would say it's remarkable they haven't had more problems early on.
But I would say that some of it was tempered
by the fact that they've they've they've done a great
job of keeping it quiet. There was there was a
group bert feelings over Brady using a helicopter fly in
and out of Remember they went a decade without winning
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a Super Bowl, and so you know, sometimes this this
is also the story also points out sometimes it's harder
to handle winning than it is handled losing, because when
you lose, at the end of the day, you might
be upset, but you're all pulling in the direction of winning.
Once you've won, you won a lot, You won two
Super Bowls, recently won five altogether. It's like now people
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want credit. Now people want odd of boys they won't respect.
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Let's let's let's get to the bottom of what people
in the NFL think. Uh, this guy does an amazing
job for CBS Sports fall m on Twitter at Jason
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Lackham for and of course you can read them at
CBS Sports dot com. Jason Lockham for CBS NFL Insider
joins us on the Doug Gottlip Show. What's the reaction
around in the league to the Patriots story? I gotta
be honest with you, I haven't, you know, talked to
that many people about it. Um. I'm not. I've read
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it twice. I'm still somewhat conflicted as to exactly what
I made of it. Um. I mean, at some point,
everything comes to an end, and it's a you know,
quarterback will be forty one next year and an owner
will be seventy six next year, and the second oldest
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coach in the league. Um, So nothing is forever and
nothing is guaranteed. I personally have not gotten the sense
that it's markedly worse there, or like guys are really
in their feelings this year and like, boy, he's the
reason we lost those three games? No, he must be. Um,
you know Tom Brady being coached hard. That's that's Bill
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Belichick like that that you know that's been going on
for for eighteen years there or whatever. Um, I don't know, Doug,
I don't think it's going to like affect them. I don't.
I don't think it's going to be a story that
we're talking about two months from now or six months
from now, you know, even at the start of next season.
But I do think if you and I are talking
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on wild Card weekend next year, that they're probably on
a buy and they're definitely a FC East champions and
Brady might not be the m v P, but he's
still a winning quarterback who's quite viable, and Bob Kraft
still the owner, and Bill Belichick still the coach, and
Tom Brady is still the quarterback. Does does the Gruden
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money does that change anything for anybody? Like? Does this
now become the hold on? If John Grudens worth ten
for a hundred million dollars, what is Bill Belichick worth?
Wellhy do we even know exactly what Bill Belichick makes?
You know? I don't. I mean, no, Forbes put their
list out and everything, But like, I don't know anybody
other than like you know, Bill Belichick, his agent, Neil
corn Rich, and Bob Kraft, who absolutely know exactly everything
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that's in that contract. But I think from the money standpoint,
I mean you know, we've had guys Sean Payton in
the eighth to nine range. A lot of people assumed
all check is nine ish. I don't think it's the money.
It's ten years, Like that's like five job cycles in
the NFL, you know what I mean. We're like in
your second year, you're pretty much better show something. So
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it's it's that sort of commitment. Now, this is also
an unusual situation though, where they're playing in you know, uh,
basically can't call it a neutral site. I mean, it's
still their home stadium, but you know, they're they're they're
a short timer is obviously in Oakland, they're kind of
lame ducks for two or three years there and we
don't even know maybe it's more like three or four
years until they get the Vegas and there isn't that
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exact certainty with the stadium from what I've heard what
I gather about when it will absolutely be ready. So
I think that has something to do with it the
fact that he's trying to sell this team in Vegas
years ahead of time and wants to have a face
of the franchise type coach who can wine and dine people,
who has immediate cash who all the casino owners are
gonna want to hang out with. And I mean, let's
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face it, he'll be the de facto owner of the
other Raiders, you know. I mean Mark Davis is not
mean a little socially awkward at times. Right, He's not
a big personality. He's not a guy who where he
walks in the room people like whispering, there's Mark. Wait
a minute, you know, there's Mark Davis. And there are
some owners who have slag. Robert Kraft would be one
of them. So now he's got grooded to to do
a lot of that for him in the offseason and
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in the years leading up to this thing, and just
further solidify this. As for my business standpoint, a slam
dunk for the Las Vegas business community. We'll see about
on field. I mean, nothing's guaranteed, although I do think
he'll coach up Derek Carr and be a lot harder
on him and give him the kind of tough love
that a guy like Tom Brady has responded to so
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well for all these years. Yeah, you know, it's it's
interesting because somehow what's gotten lost in this thing is
that he's a really good coach. He's really well respected,
had too many quarterbacks, kind of on a on a
turnstyle a little bit at the end there in Tampa.
But it wasn't like no one thought that he couldn't coach,
and he hasn't been out of the game. I would
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guess that NFL people, not outside of the ten year
part NFL people go like, yeah, Gruden to the raid.
Gruden catting back in makes a lot more sense than
and then maybe anybody else they could hire. No, Yeah, no,
I I think someone especially when Martin mean Mark Davis
from the moment his dad passed away and and he
kind of got thrust into this position that you know,
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he didn't necessarily ask for and and maybe he isn't
really in his blood other than it's literally in his blood.
He had to get a stadium, but he had to
find two things. Really, he wanted to find a coach,
somebody to restore that national brand, that commitment to excellence.
The Raiders come to town and it's a big deal,
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that whole rock star element of them being, you know,
from a business standpoint or just from a marketing standpoint
or a branding standpoint, you know, in all Caps NFL
franchise team and he had to find a stadium, and
if I call certainty, had to get out of the
O C O Colosseum, and he had to be in
a situa ration where he has the same revenue streams,
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the same bells and whistles, the same um sponsorship deals
and licensing deals and sweet deals, all the stadium stuff
that puts money in his pocket and allows you to
fund the team the way you want to. And and
let's be real and have somebody else you know, fit
the bill, right, which is what basically happened in Vegas.
And he's managed to do both. He's literally been chasing
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Mark Davis all over the country, Mark, but Mark Davis
has been chasing John Gruden all over the country, like literally,
not figuratively, like all over the country for six years
and he's finally gone. Pretty remarkable. Jason Lackham Forward joining
us from CBS Sports Um Close to Home. The Kirk
Cousins exit interviews, Uh just kind of got weird with
(34:45):
with Jay Gruden, Right, Jay Gruden wants clarity, he wants
long term solution. On the other hand, though he praised
him some, he wasn't affuse in his praise. Then we
hear stories that. You know, Denver could be a suitor. Obviously,
Arizona needs a quarterback there other team's best sets. What's
the market look like for Kirk Cousins, Well, I mean
the reality is this is Dan Snyder's deal, and Bruce Allen,
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I mean even Cousins himself, and certainly Jay Grudener cogs
in the machine. I mean, he puts out his film
for sixteen times a year and then they've got, you know,
a few weeks, six weeks but you know, leading up
to the franchise tag period here or whatever it is,
six seven weeks to figure out what they're gonna do
with him. He doesn't have to do anything. I mean,
he's done it. He's he did his speaking on Sundays
(35:31):
with you know, for three hours a day every Sunday
for the last last three seasons. So Jake Gruden is
not gonna mean this week you're talking about a hundred
million dollar decision. That's a Dance Snyder thing. Jake Gruden
would love to keep him. Jake Gruden would give them
all the money he wants, but it's not his money
and it's not his call. They can't let him leave
the building for a third round. COMPI in and it's
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basically a fourth round pick right at the end of
the third round, Like he can't go for whatever. I'm
not a math whiz, pick number nine nine or whatever
like that can't happen. Not if you just gave him
forty two million dollars the last two years and he's
performed as a top five to eight quarterback in the
league statistically. That's the reality. Um, so he's gonna get
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tagged again, and then could that be a precursor to
a trade? Certainly? Could it be a precursor to a
long term deal between now in July. Yeah, but he's
not gonna do anything other than tag me, whether it's
the transition ay or the franchise at thirty four and
now we've set a new base mark for me and
I can negotiate all of that. And if you guys
don't want to do it, and you want to give
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me thirty million for one year, and I count thirty
million against your cap, and then I hit free agencies
a thirty one year old a year from now, and
teams don't have to give up anything to get me,
which means they're gonna give me more money. Right because
the way you get less money is when they give
up all the picks. Well, they don't have to give
up all the picks, and I'm a UFA and I'm
getting all the money. Or the Redskins give me an
offer I can't refuse now, or they trade me to
somebody who will do the same. So he's one. He's
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already won again. Okay, um Eli Manning. Now the Giants
sit with the with the number two pick in the draft,
and with this draft, you like, hey, Josh Rosen could
be there. He could be the airparent. Maybe he learns
behind Eli Manning. Or maybe they trade Eli Manning in
the off season to somewhere like the Jaguars, assuming the
Jaguars come up short. Or maybe maybe to Denver where
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his brothers saw a success, or maybe to Arizona where
Carson Palmer and Kurt Warner saw resurgence in their career,
or or se Kuan Berkley is a top top couple,
top three, top four pick. You put the best running
back in the draft with the best wide receiver back
healthy in Odell Beckham Jr. And you you remake that
offensive line and you you give it one last go
(37:40):
with Eli. Best sense of Eli Manning next season. I
think if if there's some bordering that happens this weekend,
and I think Tom Conflin says, I'll give you a
four or five or whatever for him, I believe they
do that. I believe they make that trade. They're going
to draft a quarterback. I just it's hard for me
to fathom a scenario where they're pick being this high.
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And look, maybe they go through the process and they
don't think any I'm more worthy of it, but I've
heard enough that, like, I don't believe that's the case.
So I think they're looking at this as there the way.
You know, they didn't have that many bad seasons and
then ELI kind of fell in their lap. I mean,
I know they had to make a trade with the Chargers,
but they were in, you know, with it have to
move up from the thirtieth spot to make that trade.
They look at themselves as an organization that will not
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be picking this high again for a long long time.
And that running back may be special and he may
take the league by storm, but they've got to find
a quarterback. And I believe that's the direction they're going.
And you know, I don't know that you need to
have a band aid quarterback making nineteen million a year,
you know, I mean, I don't know why what I mean,
McAllen did a hell of a job for the for
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the Jets last year at six million plus. He ended
up earning a close to another two and incentive, and
that's ten million real dollars you can spend making the
rest of your roster better. I don't know that you've
got to play the kid right away, but again I
don't I don't know that you want to have that
whole ELI s and then it's like a whole another
thing whenever they said ELI right, like that will be
like if it's Josh McCowen, or you know, it's Alex
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Smith or whatever, like, it's not like you're re carrying
that wound open again. I would move on from him
and my hunches. That's what they do, alright. Last thing,
Green Bay Packers kick Ted Thompson upstairs. It feels like
it feels like a big thing, a really big thing.
What's that regime look like? When the when the music stops.
I think at the end of the day, russ Ball
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probably ends up being the person who sort of has
the sexiest title. And I guess is sort of replaces Ted,
although that they may. You know, they got some other
younger guys. They're more traditional personnelside guys, and maybe one
of them um end up getting a promotion out of
it as well. But my if you maybe guests right now,
(39:48):
I would say russ Ball ends up, you know, as
the guy who's now in charge. Um, either Brian Gutenkurst
or Elliott Wolf end up elsewhere, and maybe Doug really
ends up there in the role. Alonzo Highsmith used to
have fascinating stuff follow Jasons and lacked him for on
Twitter reda stuff at CBS Sports dot dot com. Of course,
(40:09):
you can see him on CBS and their coverage of
the a f C playoffs over the weekend. J l
C thanks so much, man, my pleasure. May have a
good weekend. Buddy into the game.
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio. All Right, so, um, We're coming to
you live from the great city of Eugene, Oregon, tonight
on Fox Sports one. Seven o'clock Pacific Coast time. It's
(00:22):
a little ten o'clock East coast time. I'll be on
the call. The Civil War. There's an oxymoron, right. Civil
War went Oregon, Oregan State Corvallis, Oregan, forty five minutes
up the road. It was raining this morning and sunny
now and it's gonna rain later. That's because it's Oregon. Um,
nobody really cares about that today. What everyone cares about is,
(00:43):
I guess two sides. One the Patriot story, which ESPN
dot com uh dropped late last night, and uh the
the details of the soon to be finalized contract between
John Gruden and the Oakland Raiders for what is rumored
to be one hundred million dollars hundred billion dollars, no
(01:09):
million million dollars. Dr evil doctor. You know no one.
It would be great though, is if uh even if
Gruden shows up to the press conference in one of
those old white jumpsuits that the laid out Davis used
to wear. That'd be amazing, That'd be amazing. Um. I
do think it's like the the entire Gruden thing has
(01:30):
gotten hilarious from how people react to it. But I
think there could also be some sort of correlation there. Look,
I read in its entirety, I read the the Seth
Seth Wickersham piece, and either he takes a ton of
poetic license, I mean a ton, you know, where he
(01:53):
just assumes things that were said to him because there
are no hard quotes in there. It's it's not that
he's it's not that he's um, he's quoting unidentified people.
There are italics in there, which it's like, well, either
either Bill Belichick and others told him these things and
just simply didn't want to go quote just don't quote
(02:16):
me on it. Or he took what a bunch of
people said and had his own theories and how he
believes it went down right, and that kind of like
the takeaway. But I also think that that this is
like when it's almost like a text like one of
the dangers to texting something, one of the danterest tweeting
(02:37):
something is We don't. We don't know your tone, We
don't know the intonation of your voice. We also don't
know kind of the context sometimes of where a tweet,
like if you're if it's a reactionary tweet, what are
you reacting actually too? Well, the same can be said
for this if you're taking if you're taking quotes. You know,
if Bill Belichick is bummed or is upset when he
(02:58):
comes out of a long meeting with rober or Craft
as to what to do um what to do with
the quarterback position. Okay, but when you say mad, when
you say upset, is it I want to burn the
whole thing down? Or is it you just lost and
it didn't go your way? Like? Which is it? I
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think you can take things that are legitimate from the story,
and I don't have any reason to believe that Seth
with Wickersham made any of this stuff up. I'm sure
he has solid sources, And so even the idea of
anonymous sources doesn't scare me off because Deep Throat was
an anonymous source and that's what made Watergate what it was. Like.
They're just certain people who can't go on the record
(03:39):
and tell you things. So you've got substantial reason to
believe that most of the things are somewhere close to
the truth. It's just how you take the truth. But
the only thing that really really matters, only things that matter,
I would say, who the who, who is the leak
(03:59):
or who is leaking the most? And in with that
you have to who has the most to gain by
the story? And then what does it due to the
Patriots in the short term? What does it do to
the Patriots in the long term? Right? Like short term?
It feels like this is the type of story that
galvanizes the Patriots. That's kind of like it just happens
to come out now, right before they happen to go
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be playing in the playoffs where they happen to be
the number one seed to maybe win their six championship
together in seventeen years. It feels like a galvanizing story.
But is it a story to which Belichick wanted out
there because he wants the rest of the league to
know that, hey, he's soon to be out of here.
And he looks around the league and he sees John
Gruden getting ten years, one hundred million dollars and says
(04:44):
billion dollars, Right like if John grew new won one
Super Bulls worth a hundred million dollars? How much is
Bill Belichick worth? But like, look, I hate to tell
you this, but there's dysfunction, agesum, egos, machismo in any
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successful corporation, on any successful team anywhere in the world. Like,
this is not groundbreaking stuff. And the three questions that
that we we need, we will at some point, I
think get answers to one we may never get answered to,
which is who is the league? The second is what
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does this mean for Brady and the Patriots? And third
maybe what does it What does it mean for the
short term, doesn't mean for the long term, because there
is a certain sense that, well, it's really hard. This
is what you know. Guy who has been divorced always says,
you know, it's really hard for to people to live
(05:47):
together for twenty years. You know, guy who gets fired
from a coaching job, I had a coach tell me
last year, you know, you make a new enemy. There's
a coaching saying you make a new enemy every year.
I've been here eighteen years at eighteen enemies. And maybe
that's the story here with Brady is Hey, look, every
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run comes to an end and almost all of them
and ugly. Joe Montana that one ended ugly. Brett Farve,
that one ended ugly. I mean, think of the great
quarterbacks of our lifetime. Peyton Manning was shown the door
in Indie. It may not have ended ugly on the surface,
but you know, I guarantee it. It was not the
(06:29):
fact that Peyton Manning had to leave and go to
a different place at the time. And it even had
the chance of ending ugly in Denver when he got
pulled and then was uh put back into the starting lineup.
Troy Hagman, that thing only ended ugly because it didn't
end ugly because he suffered so many concussions. He didn't
make it to the end of his career. Same thing
with with with Steve Young. So maybe this is more
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of the story, is that in an effort to just
stay married, just stay let's just stay together, how Kobe
Bryant like. It may not have necessarily ended ugly for Kobe,
but it brought down the Lakers as a franchise, like
let's not misremember where the Lakers are now? Is is
very much a reflection, uh and a reaction to the
(07:16):
fact that Kobe took too much money and was too
big a part of their game plan, and he had
to have hand pick his own coach who was not
qualified to coaching the twenty one century didn't one I'm
shooting three point shots. So even the ones that make
it the distance, like Kobe and the Lakers, there can
(07:36):
be a lot of ugliness and pettiness and the franchise
isn't the better because of it. And otherwise most of
these relationships all end up fizzling out in the end um.
But the the big what happens with Belichick in the
future is he the leak because he's the only one
(07:58):
who you would think stands to benefit from this. I mean,
there are just certain things in there to which you're
reading And if you haven't read the article, you know
not only did he text Kyle Shanahan the day they
decided to trade, but it says that he always he
admired Kyle Shanahan and Kyle's dad because Kyle's dad stood
(08:19):
up for him against the NFL during Spygate. Like, how
would Seth quicker Sham know that either he's conflating other
stories that he's read about, that he's known about, that
he's talked about or Bill Belichick gave him that story
and said, just don't put my fingerprints on it, but
his fingerprints are all over it. Music. You read the story,
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what was your what was your big takeaway? I just
think that it's something we all knew about. We we
could tell that at some point with the Jimmy Garoppolo,
the Bill Belichick, the Robert Craft of that whole situation
with Jimmy Garoppolo up and coming, there was going to
be some type of con flicked. And now that you
hear the details, you're just like, oh, okay, and you
(09:04):
want to make it seem like a bigger deal than
it actually is. It's almost as if we kind of
knew that something was going on, but people think it's
the end all be all, just because they finally have
words to prove it. Yeah. I I also would think
like there's other weird parts of the story. The fact
that Garoppolo is repped by the same guy as Tom Brady. Uh,
(09:25):
that leads me to believe that that Don Ye probably
some of the one of the sources kind of on
on this deal. Um, But that that that just that
just weird, right, Like they're they were offering I mean,
they were offering. I mean a lot of it explains things. Hey, look,
we offered Garoppolo seventeen million a year. He didn't want
an eighteen million dollars he he didn't want it, and
so they're like, all right, well we gotta move on
(09:45):
from him. And um, they chose, you know, they chose Brady.
They chose what they knew, the devil they knew versus
the devil that they thought they might know but don't
know for sure. Like there's some there's some stuff there.
There's the Garoppolo went into TB twelve to get worked
I get his shoulder worked on, which seems odd to me,
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Like all of a sudden, you get hurt and now
you're gonna go to the TB twelve workshop Like that
seems weird to me. That one feels like that came
from an agent more than came from you know, because
why would Garoppolo care? But I I do think that
Garoppolo has been so good that there had to be
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some sort of explanation. How could Bill Belichick make such
a horrible trade and just give away a franchise maybe
top ten who knows, top five quarterback in years to
come in the NFL how could he do that? Is
this Belichick going like, look, my hands were tied. Even then,
it doesn't explain why you only asked for a second?
Should ask for a first? Hey man, I've seen this cat.
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He's a first and a third and next year's second.
Trust me on this. It's a good deal. So the
story leaves us with answers, may or questions, maybe more
than answers. But does it derail the Patriots in the
short term and how does it play out in the
long term. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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That's the sense of the Saints of change. But have
they or have they simply found their newest edition of
Reggie Bush right like when they won the Super Bowl.
Reggie Bush may never have lived up to the touting
of winning a Heisman Trophy in college and how he
dominated college, but it was that you could put Reggie
(11:34):
Bush anywhere on a football field and he was more
than effective. You had to pay attention because he could
get the ball and take it to the house. That's
what Alvin Kamara has given them, and you know, we
all saw the addition by subscribed a subtraction, and Adrian
Peterson wanted the ball, but they had two running backs
that were better and better fits for what they want
(11:55):
and fit together. And since the moment that Peterson was jettisoned,
the offense is taken off and the guy that everybody's
talking about joins us. Now on the Doug Gotlip Show.
Alvin Kamara, rookie with the New Orleans Saints getting ready
to host the Carolina Panthers in a playoff game. Alvin,
how are you No? I'm good? How are you good? Man?
(12:16):
I read a story that when you when you first
signed your contract, you get your signing botus in the NFL,
somebody asked you what you bought and you said, I
went and bought wings, accurate or inaccurate? What kind of
what kind of wings? Lemon pepper? So nothing, just just
all lemon pepper? Or do you do you work in
(12:36):
some barbecue or do you work in some some Jamaican jerk?
Anything else? Uh? Pepper? You're lemon pepper sort of guy.
And and the lemon the lemon is interesting because you're
also you're a warheads dude, like do you have a
drawer at your house that's all warheads? Oh? Airheads, That's
what I mean. I'm in airheads, the the airhead stuff.
So now why now do you do sour belts too,
(12:59):
or just simply all different kinds of air heads? Yeah?
Uh huh? Do your teeth have to be rough? Like?
Do you how many did times a day to you brush?
Because that stuff that's gonna wear it? Because I had
this thing where I used to love to have a
sower belt. After doing a nightly radio show. Uh, this
is going back years ago, I went to my Dentisty's like, dude,
(13:20):
those things are wearing down your teeth. Have you gotten
that report from your dentist? My chief is perfectly hope
and take care of them. Alvin Kamara joining us on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. Uh, fresh off an outstanding rookie season. Um,
what what's it been like? What's it been like for
you to to finally get the respect that I know
you felt like you should have gotten in college had
(13:43):
you not been in kind of a jumble backfield. What's
this experience been like for you? Right? It's been fun?
Do you know that? I mean, I'm just enjoying being
where I'm at, um, enjoying my teammates, enjoying a fan base,
and you know, I'm just trying to keep it going.
You know, playoffs in here, So do I keep it going?
Wait them? I'm cool with it. What's what's Bree has
been like? Because this is a year to which he's
(14:03):
been called on last to win it with his arm
and now of a sudden, it's more about you, guys,
more about you know, you and Ingram this dynamic, uh
running back combination. What's he been like to work with?
Drew's been great? You know Drew, Drew's super cool guy.
You know what I mean, all the time. Great, you know,
one of the one of it's not the best quarterbacks
(14:24):
in the history of the league. So I mean just
working with him has been eye opening, a great experience,
you know, learning a lot um, just having a lot
of fun. Alvin Camarow joining us from the on the
Doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports. Trader. You guys,
get the Carolina Panthers at home. Uh, there's been some
great home environments for the Saints this year. Obviously will
(14:47):
be piked. It feels like it's gonna be better than
it's the Panthers, right like in the same division. Cam,
it's a rival back at home in the playoffs. Um.
Comparing contrast plan in Expool in front of a hundred
thousand plus and playing in the Superdome. What's that energy
like in the Dome and that places when that place
is pumping? Man, the dome is crazy, like crazy crazy
(15:10):
to dome like my best best like description, and playing
in the Dome is like it's a party, you know
what I'm saying, Like when when people come to the games,
I'm like, watch, this's gonna be a party in there.
Like that's how much energy is in there. It's so
it's fun to play and I love playing it. What
what do you remember about the Carolina defense when in
terms of I mean like, look, you guys want two
(15:32):
pretty close games. The Carolina defense to you, what's what's
your when you close your eyes? What do you think of? Um?
It's I mean, it's active defense, you know, talented guys
all around. Um, you know, we just gotta be we
gotta be on our game. Alvin Kamar joining us on
the Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
(15:54):
there's an article I know that you know about out
in New Orleans. It's about you kind of finding a
home him, getting the vibe of the city, feeling like
you belong there. Uh to somebody who hasn't lived in
New Orleans. Um, and you're experienced. Now, what's it like?
What's this experience been like of living there? It's been
It's been super super dope. You know. It's a chill environment,
(16:17):
a lot of a lot of kind people, um, and
just a lot of a lot of cool energy. You know.
I love living out here. Are you Are you go
to jaz Are you a jazz club guy? Do you
go there's a place that you go chill quietly? Do
you go to? Um? Are you kind of a club
club guy? Or you you kind of keep yourself? I
keep you myself. I mean I go out. I go
(16:39):
out every once in a while. You know. You know,
I got a few little chill spots, but they won't
be chill spots if I give them up. So I
can't give them up. I feel you. I understand, I
completely understand. We don't want to blove your spot. That's
the last thing that we want to do. UM. Now
here's here's the thing. You're up for. This you're up
for this video, uh t v P award, Right, you're
(16:59):
up for like this is a true value performer and
you are. I mean you've won people fantasy leagues. Like
have people sent you stuff because you won them that
your fantasy You won them their fantasy league. Yeah, I'm
getting letters, I'm getting boxes of airheads, I'm getting all
type of stuff. Is crazy now is is did you
do the airhead thing because you want to be like
(17:20):
your skills, you want to get a sponsorship or did
you love airheads? Like going back to when you're a kid,
I've been I'm love there heads before. You know, it's
just a coincidence that I was able to kind of like,
you know, I kind of got the platform to be
able to like just like really so much true appreciation
for airheads. All right, So the true the t v
(17:42):
P awoard, the true value Performer, the t v p
A would recognize the player who's on field performance exceeds
the value of their contract. Obviously, you can't go back
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You have achieved a level above that of your pay
Grade Video dot com, slash tv p UM. Pretty amazing
(18:06):
kind of turnaround for you personally, to go from Tennessee
and all the injuries last season to this year and
having this year, Um, when did you know? Like, when
did you know I'm gonna stick? I'm gonna be the
guy that I know I can be in the NFL.
UM you know, I'm just it's just gradually been getting
(18:26):
better and better. You know. I just came in with
an over mind and you know, just wanted to be
able to, you know, help the team anyway I can.
And I've been blessed to be able to do a
lot of do a lot of help in this season.
So I'm just, like I said, I'm just trying to
keep it going. You know, we got more games to play,
more games to play. Well, listen, enjoy your airheads, enjoy
your prep. Good luck against the Carolina Panthers. We look
(18:47):
forward to talking with you really soon. Thanks Alvin, Thank you.
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I know people are freaking out about the numbers with Gruden,
but this actually makes a lot of sense. You had
(19:08):
to blow him out of the water in order to
John Gruden has been offered other jobs. When I just Tennessee,
there's talk of Texas and football and and there I'm
sure have been other The only way to get a
John Gruden out from the Monday night football booth is
with f you money, right, And that's what ten years,
(19:29):
one million dollars is. That's this is this is what
we got. This is what we got. And oh yeah,
by the way, you can't. You can't fire a Jack
del Rio who's not a great coach, but as a
competent coach. You can't fire a Jack del Rio unless
(19:50):
you absolutely know you have that guy like this is
the difference. This is I don't know if you guys
remember this. Urban Meyer was an assistant coach at a
Notre Day So Urban left goes to be the head
coach at Bowling Green. He's awesome at Bowling Green. He
goes to Utah, finished the season undefeated at Utah, and
Notre Dame and Florida both needed a coach. Notre Dame
(20:14):
flies him and he goes to Notre Dame. First. This
is urban Meyer, same one who won two national championships
in Florida and has won a national championship at Ohio State.
And though though Florida as a greater proximity to players,
like if it was at that point and this point,
it's still no Tree Dame, still Notre Dame. Notre Dame
(20:36):
offered him two million dollars Florida offered him for he
took the Florida job. Okay, so now look, you can
take shots at the fact that, like I also think
we're missed construing, we're misconstruing Jon Gruden's numbers. Okay, I'm
gonna give me John Gruden's records at where he when
(20:59):
he coached eight and eight, eight and eight with the
Oakland Raiders, twelve and four, ten and six, right, and
he was so And that was ten and six was
the tuck rule year they had the Patriots beat in
New England and the tuck rule ends up undoing them.
(21:20):
He had won four playoff games in two years with Oakland.
So he gets traded to Tampa Bay and he takes
over a team and he wins the Super Bowl twelve
and four. Now everybody says the thing fell apart, and
it did. They were seven and nine then five, eleven, five,
and eleven. And people want to point out with the
(21:40):
last six years of a record, Well, let's look at
the last four years eleven and five, then four and twelve,
and when his four and twelve I believe he lost
like three quarterbacks to injury, and then nine and seven,
nine and seven, These were not disastrous seasons. These were
above five. In other words, he's had three below five
(22:01):
d seasons in eleven years in the National Football League.
Three And if you want to say, well, man, look
he took over for Tony Dungee and he did, he did,
But look at the new the Tampay Buccaneers haven't seen
(22:23):
any sort of success since he left. None. None. Their
historic franchise numbers are terrible. He was the best and
biggest name. He was McVeigh before there's McVeigh. He has
a history of success in building up the Raiders and
handing off a Super Bowl team to Bill Callahan and
(22:44):
then winning a Super Bowl with the with the Tampa
Bay Tampay Buccaneers. You tell me a guy who has
a better resume out there, and the whole idea what
he's been out of the game, Like, no, he hasn't
he hasn't been the head coach, and dude's been doing
the draft. He knows every one of these players. I
(23:06):
think that the the craziest thing is people taking shots
at Cruden, like, yeah, they had to pay him. He
was making like seven million dollars to not work in
the off season and do Monday night. I did Monday
and football work once a week, and then he had
his Gruden Camp and did the draft. Like, you're gonna
have to overpay. You're gonna have to blow out of
(23:28):
it because otherwise you're like Notre Dame when you could
have had Urban Meyer and you like, yeah, you know,
we go cheap, Like what's the point of going cheap
on it? If you know that's the guy that you
want and other people have wanted him, and you know
he you know how he fits in with your culture.
This is not a relationship that they don't know what
they're getting into. They know exactly what they're getting into.
And the likelihood is he's better than he was before
(23:49):
because he's been away from it as a head coach,
but been around it and understood what other people do
well and integrated it. Be sure to catch live editions
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Heart Radio app. I feel like the centerpiece of this story,
you know, all honesty is is not Tom Brady, it's
(24:13):
not Bill Belichick, it's not Robert Crap, It's Jimmy Garoppolo.
Garoppolo has been so good, better than even even Belichick
could have thought. I mean, he has been so good
that everybody in the league is paying attention to it,
and they're all like, well, what the hell happened? All right?
You didn't want to give him to the Jets, all right,
(24:34):
you didn't want to give him to Cleveland because because
of what happened when you were in Cleveland. Okay, but
the airs on the Cardinals need a quarterback the or
maybe you don't want to give him to Denver. Denver's
in the ANFC, but they need a quarterback. Houston Texans,
you know, Bill O'Brien's your your your former assistant. He
obviously needs a quarterback. I know he's got Deshaun Watson,
(24:56):
but Deshawn's coming off in a c L. You got
the Jacksonville Jaguars that they need a quarterback, Like there's
some other teams that need a quarterback out there that
you could have you could have gotten or yeah, I
mean there's that's all this that's to me. That's what
this pieces. This is an explanation for what happened to
how the hell Jimmy Garoppolo end up in San Francisco
for a second round pick, and and in it you
(25:21):
find out that he was tired of being a backup,
and they did offer him seventeen and eighteen million dollars
guaranteed per year. It was it was made more difficult
because he shared an agent with Tom Brady, which, innocent
of itself, is weird. I guess it provided both of
(25:41):
them information on the other. And look, I'm repped by
a guy who he reps a lot of a lot
of the biggest guys in sports media. Now, my agent
in particular, does a great job of we're not talking
about other people, is focus on you. But he does
understand the landscape and the possibilities, and that probably not
don't shoot for that. He might not tell me why,
(26:07):
but my read on this situation is very simple. Jimmy
Garoppolo was the straw that broke the camel's back. They
all have been able to keep this thing together. But
the question is not what has happened. This is an
explanation from at least some people's perspective and the writer's
perspective as what's happened. It's are these issues, are these
(26:30):
hurt feelings reparable? Or are is this grounds for divorce?
Like look in a seventeen year relationship between Brady and Belichick,
it's like a seventeen year marriage. I've been married for
seventeen years. You're gonna say something now and again that
hurts your wife's feelings. She's gonna say something now and
again that's hurts your feelings. There's gonna be moments to
(26:52):
which you are disconnected excut me, moments to which you
feel uh, you feel like you're relationship has plateau. Then
there's gonna be moments of pure adulation where you're super close,
you're completely in love and you just couldn't feel any better.
Everything's going great. But the question is like when when
(27:14):
you get to an issue like this, like is this
the one that are we're gonna end the relationship over it,
or we're just gonna go to therapy and work it out,
or we're gonna talk to one another and have it
out and be mad for a second and then get
over it. That's it's a it's a big question. I
(27:35):
would say it's remarkable they haven't had more problems early on.
But I would say that some of it was tempered
by the fact that they've they've they've done a great
job of keeping it quiet. There was there was a
group bert feelings over Brady using a helicopter fly in
and out of Remember they went a decade without winning
(27:55):
a Super Bowl, and so you know, sometimes this this
is also the story also points out sometimes it's harder
to handle winning than it is handled losing, because when
you lose, at the end of the day, you might
be upset, but you're all pulling in the direction of winning.
Once you've won, you won a lot, You won two
Super Bowls, recently won five altogether. It's like now people
(28:19):
want credit. Now people want odd of boys they won't respect.
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Let's let's let's get to the bottom of what people
in the NFL think. Uh, this guy does an amazing
job for CBS Sports fall m on Twitter at Jason
(28:42):
Lackham for and of course you can read them at
CBS Sports dot com. Jason Lockham for CBS NFL Insider
joins us on the Doug Gottlip Show. What's the reaction
around in the league to the Patriots story? I gotta
be honest with you, I haven't, you know, talked to
that many people about it. Um. I'm not. I've read
(29:03):
it twice. I'm still somewhat conflicted as to exactly what
I made of it. Um. I mean, at some point,
everything comes to an end, and it's a you know,
quarterback will be forty one next year and an owner
will be seventy six next year, and the second oldest
(29:24):
coach in the league. Um, So nothing is forever and
nothing is guaranteed. I personally have not gotten the sense
that it's markedly worse there, or like guys are really
in their feelings this year and like, boy, he's the
reason we lost those three games? No, he must be. Um,
you know Tom Brady being coached hard. That's that's Bill
(29:48):
Belichick like that that you know that's been going on
for for eighteen years there or whatever. Um, I don't know, Doug,
I don't think it's going to like affect them. I don't.
I don't think it's going to be a story that
we're talking about two months from now or six months
from now, you know, even at the start of next season.
But I do think if you and I are talking
(30:09):
on wild Card weekend next year, that they're probably on
a buy and they're definitely a FC East champions and
Brady might not be the m v P, but he's
still a winning quarterback who's quite viable, and Bob Kraft
still the owner, and Bill Belichick still the coach, and
Tom Brady is still the quarterback. Does does the Gruden
(30:30):
money does that change anything for anybody? Like? Does this
now become the hold on? If John Grudens worth ten
for a hundred million dollars, what is Bill Belichick worth?
Wellhy do we even know exactly what Bill Belichick makes?
You know? I don't. I mean, no, Forbes put their
list out and everything, But like, I don't know anybody
other than like you know, Bill Belichick, his agent, Neil
corn Rich, and Bob Kraft, who absolutely know exactly everything
(30:52):
that's in that contract. But I think from the money standpoint,
I mean you know, we've had guys Sean Payton in
the eighth to nine range. A lot of people assumed
all check is nine ish. I don't think it's the money.
It's ten years, Like that's like five job cycles in
the NFL, you know what I mean. We're like in
your second year, you're pretty much better show something. So
(31:12):
it's it's that sort of commitment. Now, this is also
an unusual situation though, where they're playing in you know, uh,
basically can't call it a neutral site. I mean, it's
still their home stadium, but you know, they're they're they're
a short timer is obviously in Oakland, they're kind of
lame ducks for two or three years there and we
don't even know maybe it's more like three or four
years until they get the Vegas and there isn't that
(31:33):
exact certainty with the stadium from what I've heard what
I gather about when it will absolutely be ready. So
I think that has something to do with it the
fact that he's trying to sell this team in Vegas
years ahead of time and wants to have a face
of the franchise type coach who can wine and dine people,
who has immediate cash who all the casino owners are
gonna want to hang out with. And I mean, let's
(31:54):
face it, he'll be the de facto owner of the
other Raiders, you know. I mean Mark Davis is not
mean a little socially awkward at times. Right, He's not
a big personality. He's not a guy who where he
walks in the room people like whispering, there's Mark. Wait
a minute, you know, there's Mark Davis. And there are
some owners who have slag. Robert Kraft would be one
of them. So now he's got grooded to to do
a lot of that for him in the offseason and
(32:16):
in the years leading up to this thing, and just
further solidify this. As for my business standpoint, a slam
dunk for the Las Vegas business community. We'll see about
on field. I mean, nothing's guaranteed, although I do think
he'll coach up Derek Carr and be a lot harder
on him and give him the kind of tough love
that a guy like Tom Brady has responded to so
(32:37):
well for all these years. Yeah, you know, it's it's
interesting because somehow what's gotten lost in this thing is
that he's a really good coach. He's really well respected,
had too many quarterbacks, kind of on a on a
turnstyle a little bit at the end there in Tampa.
But it wasn't like no one thought that he couldn't coach,
and he hasn't been out of the game. I would
(32:58):
guess that NFL people, not outside of the ten year
part NFL people go like, yeah, Gruden to the raid.
Gruden catting back in makes a lot more sense than
and then maybe anybody else they could hire. No, Yeah, no,
I I think someone especially when Martin mean Mark Davis
from the moment his dad passed away and and he
kind of got thrust into this position that you know,
(33:20):
he didn't necessarily ask for and and maybe he isn't
really in his blood other than it's literally in his blood.
He had to get a stadium, but he had to
find two things. Really, he wanted to find a coach,
somebody to restore that national brand, that commitment to excellence.
The Raiders come to town and it's a big deal,
(33:41):
that whole rock star element of them being, you know,
from a business standpoint or just from a marketing standpoint
or a branding standpoint, you know, in all Caps NFL
franchise team and he had to find a stadium, and
if I call certainty, had to get out of the
O C O Colosseum, and he had to be in
a situa ration where he has the same revenue streams,
(34:01):
the same bells and whistles, the same um sponsorship deals
and licensing deals and sweet deals, all the stadium stuff
that puts money in his pocket and allows you to
fund the team the way you want to. And and
let's be real and have somebody else you know, fit
the bill, right, which is what basically happened in Vegas.
And he's managed to do both. He's literally been chasing
(34:22):
Mark Davis all over the country, Mark, but Mark Davis
has been chasing John Gruden all over the country, like literally,
not figuratively, like all over the country for six years
and he's finally gone. Pretty remarkable. Jason Lackham Forward joining
us from CBS Sports Um Close to Home. The Kirk
Cousins exit interviews, Uh just kind of got weird with
(34:45):
with Jay Gruden, Right, Jay Gruden wants clarity, he wants
long term solution. On the other hand, though he praised
him some, he wasn't affuse in his praise. Then we
hear stories that. You know, Denver could be a suitor. Obviously,
Arizona needs a quarterback there other team's best sets. What's
the market look like for Kirk Cousins, Well, I mean
the reality is this is Dan Snyder's deal, and Bruce Allen,
(35:09):
I mean even Cousins himself, and certainly Jay Grudener cogs
in the machine. I mean, he puts out his film
for sixteen times a year and then they've got, you know,
a few weeks, six weeks but you know, leading up
to the franchise tag period here or whatever it is,
six seven weeks to figure out what they're gonna do
with him. He doesn't have to do anything. I mean,
he's done it. He's he did his speaking on Sundays
(35:31):
with you know, for three hours a day every Sunday
for the last last three seasons. So Jake Gruden is
not gonna mean this week you're talking about a hundred
million dollar decision. That's a Dance Snyder thing. Jake Gruden
would love to keep him. Jake Gruden would give them
all the money he wants, but it's not his money
and it's not his call. They can't let him leave
the building for a third round. COMPI in and it's
(35:53):
basically a fourth round pick right at the end of
the third round, Like he can't go for whatever. I'm
not a math whiz, pick number nine nine or whatever
like that can't happen. Not if you just gave him
forty two million dollars the last two years and he's
performed as a top five to eight quarterback in the
league statistically. That's the reality. Um, so he's gonna get
(36:13):
tagged again, and then could that be a precursor to
a trade? Certainly? Could it be a precursor to a
long term deal between now in July. Yeah, but he's
not gonna do anything other than tag me, whether it's
the transition ay or the franchise at thirty four and
now we've set a new base mark for me and
I can negotiate all of that. And if you guys
don't want to do it, and you want to give
(36:34):
me thirty million for one year, and I count thirty
million against your cap, and then I hit free agencies
a thirty one year old a year from now, and
teams don't have to give up anything to get me,
which means they're gonna give me more money. Right because
the way you get less money is when they give
up all the picks. Well, they don't have to give
up all the picks, and I'm a UFA and I'm
getting all the money. Or the Redskins give me an
offer I can't refuse now, or they trade me to
somebody who will do the same. So he's one. He's
(36:55):
already won again. Okay, um Eli Manning. Now the Giants
sit with the with the number two pick in the draft,
and with this draft, you like, hey, Josh Rosen could
be there. He could be the airparent. Maybe he learns
behind Eli Manning. Or maybe they trade Eli Manning in
the off season to somewhere like the Jaguars, assuming the
Jaguars come up short. Or maybe maybe to Denver where
(37:18):
his brothers saw a success, or maybe to Arizona where
Carson Palmer and Kurt Warner saw resurgence in their career,
or or se Kuan Berkley is a top top couple,
top three, top four pick. You put the best running
back in the draft with the best wide receiver back
healthy in Odell Beckham Jr. And you you remake that
offensive line and you you give it one last go
(37:40):
with Eli. Best sense of Eli Manning next season. I
think if if there's some bordering that happens this weekend,
and I think Tom Conflin says, I'll give you a
four or five or whatever for him, I believe they
do that. I believe they make that trade. They're going
to draft a quarterback. I just it's hard for me
to fathom a scenario where they're pick being this high.
(38:00):
And look, maybe they go through the process and they
don't think any I'm more worthy of it, but I've
heard enough that, like, I don't believe that's the case.
So I think they're looking at this as there the way.
You know, they didn't have that many bad seasons and
then ELI kind of fell in their lap. I mean,
I know they had to make a trade with the Chargers,
but they were in, you know, with it have to
move up from the thirtieth spot to make that trade.
They look at themselves as an organization that will not
(38:21):
be picking this high again for a long long time.
And that running back may be special and he may
take the league by storm, but they've got to find
a quarterback. And I believe that's the direction they're going.
And you know, I don't know that you need to
have a band aid quarterback making nineteen million a year,
you know, I mean, I don't know why what I mean,
McAllen did a hell of a job for the for
(38:42):
the Jets last year at six million plus. He ended
up earning a close to another two and incentive, and
that's ten million real dollars you can spend making the
rest of your roster better. I don't know that you've
got to play the kid right away, but again I
don't I don't know that you want to have that
whole ELI s and then it's like a whole another
thing whenever they said ELI right, like that will be
like if it's Josh McCowen, or you know, it's Alex
(39:04):
Smith or whatever, like, it's not like you're re carrying
that wound open again. I would move on from him
and my hunches. That's what they do, alright. Last thing,
Green Bay Packers kick Ted Thompson upstairs. It feels like
it feels like a big thing, a really big thing.
What's that regime look like? When the when the music stops.
I think at the end of the day, russ Ball
(39:26):
probably ends up being the person who sort of has
the sexiest title. And I guess is sort of replaces Ted,
although that they may. You know, they got some other
younger guys. They're more traditional personnelside guys, and maybe one
of them um end up getting a promotion out of
it as well. But my if you maybe guests right now,
(39:48):
I would say russ Ball ends up, you know, as
the guy who's now in charge. Um, either Brian Gutenkurst
or Elliott Wolf end up elsewhere, and maybe Doug really
ends up there in the role. Alonzo Highsmith used to
have fascinating stuff follow Jasons and lacked him for on
Twitter reda stuff at CBS Sports dot dot com. Of course,
(40:09):
you can see him on CBS and their coverage of
the a f C playoffs over the weekend. J l
C thanks so much, man, my pleasure. May have a
good weekend. Buddy into the game.
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Doug Gottlieb
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