September 4, 2018 • 38 mins
Doug thinks Nike's partnership with Colin Kaepernick is interesting given their ties to the NFL. He also explains why Tom Brady is having "fun" playing football again. And former Louisville head coach Rick Pitino joins the show to tell Doug what happened during his time at Louisville with the strippers controversy and the FBI's corruption investigation.
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guys had a great Labor Day weekend. Summer's over. Football's
here college football, you had your weekend. The National Football
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League gets on the way in just two days. The
defending champs, last two defending NFC champions will face off
in Philadelphia place where uh the Eagles held on to
beat the Falcons. Um going back a couple of months ago,
and we'll see the same two quarterbacks as Nick Foles
will get the start going against Matt Ryan and the Falcons.
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A lot to get to Adam character, former All American,
with Nebraska's John Gonna join us, We'll ask him what
he learned from this weekend in college football. Is Michigan's
offensive line issue? Are they fixable? The rinky din dinkin
dung offense from Florida State? Is that what we're gonna
see from the Knowles from this point forward? And it
it feels like you can pencil in Alabama and Clemson
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into the national semifinals? Am I crazy to think that? All? Right?
That upcoming in fifteen minutes, James Laura Nitis is gonna
join us from the Big Ten Network in college football
on Fox. Will ask him about the struggles of Penn State,
Michigan State, and of course Michigan and the dominant performance
of Ohio State. And then we're gonna get about a
half hour. Rick Prittino, he's got a new book out
telling his side of the story and could this story
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be the last story of his uh legendary college basketball
and NBA coaching career. We'll ask Rick Pettino, who will
join us at two o'clock on the West coast, five
o'clock on the East coast. So deep breath, lots to
talk about, got some hoops, Scott, some college football. But
we can't start an NFL season. This is year three.
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Can't start an NFL season without talking about Colin Kaepernick
not on a team, hadn't been on a team, and
over a year still suing the NFL. That collusion case
will apparently go to trials. The NFL lost the first
ruling going back to last week. But of course Nike
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kind of dropped this, uh, this enormous um surprise on
us yesterday when they made him the face of their
thirtieth anniversary ad campaign. By now, I believe you've seen it.
I don't need to go into it. I'll only say this,
I was really surprised, but I shouldn't be surprised, because
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this is what seems to be happening with the kneeling
and the anthem controversy. Every time I think it goes
away or it's gonna go away, boom, it comes right back.
It was going away last year because Cap was in
the league and fewer and fewer players were being recognized
as protesting, and then the President United States called out
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the players, and by calling out the players, it reinvigorated
the energy behind the protest. The owners actually got involved
in many of them showed solidarity with their players, and
it was again part of the national discussion. Then the
off season, the NFL came away with this new rule
where you gotta be out the If you're out there,
you gotta stand. You don't have to be out there.
That kept this conversation going. But then you know, CBS
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came out and said, hey, we're not gonna show it.
Yes or ESPN first day we're not gonna show the anthem,
then CBS, then Fox we're not gonna show it. And
so it felt like it was dying down and now
it's back again. It was like a bad rash. And
then really does UM and I and I honestly don't
care what's out of the political aisle you sit on.
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I don't care, Um, I don't and I this is
one of those deals to which it feels just like
a It feels like genius and stupidity all at the
same time for Nike. Genius in that we ain't talking
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about anybody else. Stupidity in that, well, you just um
committed ten more years to being the official Jersey sponsor
of the NFL, and now you run I guess the
risk of hurting that relationship because and I don't guess.
I'm sure there were phone calls after phone calls after
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phone calls had this morning between New York and Beaverton, Oregon.
What in the hell is this? Because Colin Kaepernick is
suing the NFL and Nike, who's in bed with the NFL,
is putting their money in their weight behind Colin Kaepernick.
That that just doesn't happen that often in corporate America.
That just doesn't. When you suze somebody, usually you are toxic.
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Everybody's staying like whoa, whoa suing the NFL for collusion? WHOA?
Nobody's gonna touch that. And Nike is like, yeah, we'll
test that. We're cool. And it feels like Nike has
reached the too big to fail sort of point. And
if you want to say, well, their stock is down
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for nothing occurs in a vacuum, I believe so too.
Adidas stocks down, even more so is under Armour stock.
What does that have to do with the price of
of of T I'm just surprised at the timing of it,
and I'm really surprised that Nike chose at this point
in timing because Kaepernick is suing the NFL. Timing because
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on a Monday night on Labor Day, that's when the
ad campaign is announced instead of I mean, really bang
for your buck. Couldn't you have done at Wednesday or
even Thursday, first day of the NFL. On the other hand,
here's the genius to it. We're all talking about it.
Is it really gonna affect you? You know? And to
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the old to this, it's seemingly this is a little
bit of this is I was watching the Florida State
game last night. Music. Did you watch Florida State and
they're dinking dunk rinky dink cap their plays got zero
yard jalesque offense. Yes, I did. Okay, what did you
think of Florida States uniforms? I liked them. I actually
thought they were one of the alternate uniforms that I
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actually like. Yeah, the blackout uniforms, I thought that looks
pretty good. Yeah. I like Virginia Text. I love the
all white uniforms, red letters, and I love Virginia Tech
and what they've done with the adding the stripe to
the helmets whatever. Florida State has iconic uniforms for the the
last thirty years there been a dominant part of college football.
I don't I don't know if they need to dolly
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them up. I didn't like the maroon on black that
I couldn't see, but I thought, as as alternate UNI
forms go, they were pretty cool. But here's the big thing.
I turned to my kids and I was like, what
do you guys think? They're like, those uniforms are awesome.
Those are the best ones yet. And that's the whole
idea of these, all the changing uniforms. It doesn't matter
what you and I think, it doesn't matter what your
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dad thinks. They're trying to recruit kids. That's the next generation,
trying to get you to pay attention to their unis,
to their style. And I would guess that's what Nike's
doing here. Nike's sitting there going like, yeah, old people,
they're probably kind of split on this thing, or maybe
even less than split. And they're against Colin Kaepernick's demonstration
of his constitutional rights and taking a knee before the
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national anthem. But based on our based on all our research,
younger people dig it. Younger people are anti establishment. Younger
people are pro Colin Kaepernick. Again, there's a huge amount
of risk put forward, even though they're Nike and they'll
be fine. The fact is you run the risk of
ticking off all the police officers more so even than
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military people. Or are probably I don't know, they're split
on it. But like, look, this is the problem with
Kaepernick is he's a leader of a movement to which
he's never really said anything. He hasn't he is a
he's a voiceless leader. Additionally, he's had other issue. He
had issues before he ever took a knee that caused
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him to lose his job in San Francisco, the inability
to lead, then having the headphones on, not evolving as
a quarterback, not able to change arm angles. The league
kind of adjusted to him. But the biggest thing was
Colin Kaepernick wasn't a great vocal, verbal leader in the
forty Niners a front office now in their facility. He wasn't.
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He wasn't a dude. He wasn't a hey, guys, get
behind me, will will be fine. And that's the same
way he's been as leader of this movement. On the
other hand, there there there is a there is a
an obvious thrust behind this movement to where it's not
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against all cops, it's cops that abuse their power. Look
I sit there and go, I don't know how anybody
who want to be a police officer. It is a
thank thankless job. You know, we take shots at all
the things they do, including their pensions, and yet here
they are. I think most of them sign up one
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because it should be a good job, and even though
it's a dangerous job, you'll be compensated, and oh yeah,
by the way, you're helping make the world a better place.
I don't think they all do, but I don't think
all of them are even most of them are bad.
But there's some bad ones or some bad football players too.
We don't protest against them. But Kaepernick has never been
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flawless in terms of his leadership. Kaepernick is the guy
who won the wore the pig socks. Kaepernick is a
guy that wasn't willing to do the little things in
order to make himself available as a backup quarterback or
take a chance at going to another franchise. He has
been a voiceless leader of a massive movement, a movement
that was supposed to bring attention to a problem, which
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I think he has achieved. And he has in fact
donated a million dollars of his own money to various causes.
So it's a it's it's a complex thing. You don't
have to necessarily be pro or anti what. I'm always
fascinated by why like this does Nike think they're just
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We're on the right side of history and that's why
we're gonna we want to be on the right side
of history and that's why. Or are we trying to
make money off of a younger generation and always be
always be viewed as cool and hip and with it
and with the times and anti establishment when we, as
Nike are in fact establishment. I'm fascinated by the why not,
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the what not? The what Nonetheless, Nike has chosen to
completely take hold of all the football discussion thus far. Today,
nobody's talking about votech going into Tallahassee and smashing Florida State. Now,
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even Jim Harball was like, yeah, it's great. Everybody forgot
that we lost Notre Dame got down fourteen to nothing
and our offensive line, same old, same old issues. People
aren't talking about the nontroversy that is the controversy quarterback
controversy in Alabama. Nor are we talking about the upcoming
weekend in the NFL talking about cap We're talking about Nike.
We're talking about the NFL altogether. So I guess Nike
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wins in the any publicity is good publicity, and I'm
fascinating to see if this hurts their relationship with the
National Football League or if it even matters. Like like,
one of the reasons that many of us in our
business are not outspoken about certain things that we don't
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like in the sports we cover is the fear of
retribution from the places that we cover. Right Like, Look,
I'm I'm not a pro or anti n c A guy.
I don't believe college athletes should be compensated above that
of of your scholarship. Um, but I will tell you
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that you're never going to get an anti n c
A rant out of somebody who covers the n C
A turn, because the n c will squash you. Bob
Costas goes on an anti NFL rant, and he's gonna
he's no longer gonna be covering the NFL for NBC,
whether he wanted to or not. It doesn't matter that
that is over. Dudes that are anti football aren't gonna
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be covering football because somebody who works for somebody in
football picks up the phone and says, we don't want
that guy covering football. But what happens when an entity
is big and his power full and frankly as dynamic
as Nike says, you know, I will support an anti
establishment guy. When you're in bed with and you're part
of the establishment, that to me is fascinating. Be sure
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It's more fun now than ever, said Brady, playing football
at age forty one. I feel like I understand the
game better than I ever have, and I feel like
it can be a lot more. I can be a
lot more decisive out there. Especially over the last eight
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years or so, I've developed so much more intuitive sense
of my surroundings on the field. I feel more comfortable
out there because I've seen a lot of the same
situation before. I've also trained hard this offseason to improve
my movement and anticipation. All of that stuff I believe
to be true. Right, there's this um. There's a continuum,
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and at one end you have your actual football town,
the other one you have your football like Q and
there's this kind of magical mix your prime in the middle.
But as long as you still have enough football skill
and your football IQ grows. I mean, we saw this
from Peyton Manning after he missed a year because those
botched surgeries. Right, he goes as fifty touchdown passes, but
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then his body began to deteriorate and even though his
football like Q was off the charts, the body wouldn't
co operate. So Brady is saying, like, look, my body
still cooperates by football i Q. I've seen everything for
eighteen years and I'm I'm good. But the word fund
is interesting. Isn't it right of all the words to
put in the opening sentence on his website? It's more
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fun than ever? Because what did Lane Johnson of the
Eagles say about the Patriots. They don't have fun. That's
the narrative outside of New England, or people would leave
New England. It's not fun. I want to have fun.
I want to win, but I want to have fun.
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So whether this is kind of rebranding or resetting who
New England is and how they do things, or this
is Brady telling establishing what his what his perception of
fun is. I don't think it's an accident that the
word fun is in the sentence. It reminds me of
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some of those Dan Brown books right where there's this
coding in all the messages. You know, I don't know
if you've ever seen in a red Inferno. Very there's
there's a certain um, what was the what's the last?
Oh man, what's what's uh? Buyer? Have you seen? Um?
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What's what's the movie? Um? Sorry, guys, bron was you're
a big movie guy. The last Marvel the big Marvel
movie of the of the summer Infinity War. So the
end of Infinity War, there's a certain Inferno quality to it.
I don't want to give away, like I still think
it's too early to give away most A lot of
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people have seen Infinity War, and you know that people
die in it, or people there's anyway they they they
I guess to die at it. Um. There's a similar
kind of characteristic to the end of the book Inferno,
which is a damn damn Brown thing. But the interesting
part about Inferno, and this is all the is the
coding within the messages. Right. The message says one thing,
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but there's another kind of hidden meaning within it. And
I may be crazy, but I kind of think that's
what Brady's doing here. He's not none of this is
wrong in a statement like I feel like I understand
the game better. I've also trained hard this offseason, improved
my movement, my anticipation. I've seen all of these same situations,
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Like none of this stuff is new to me. I
know exactly what to do and how to do it,
and like there are no new d fences and new schemes,
like I've seen everything by now. But the fact that
in the opening sentence of a statement and kind of
fake Q and A on his own website, it has
the word fun in it, I do not believe as
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an accident. I do not believe for one second that
that's an accident none. So I'm fascinated to see what
happens with the Patriots. We did this yesterday. You know, look,
as much as college football gets off to a great
start and you have some really interesting games, probably the
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most exciting of which you had Auburn in Washington was
super exciting, and Michigan Notre Dame I thought was really exciting.
At the end, I would tell you I think that
the NFL has done a great job. You have Eagles
Falcons on Thursday, Steelers in Cleveland, especially Cleveland played him
close both times last year and no Levy on Bell
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since the Indie interesting because is you know, since he
held on to Marvin Lewis and Indie brings back Andrew
Luck Miami Tennessee. Miami may have depleted all their town
but they get Tannehill back and they've gone character over talent. Meanwhile,
Tennessee they made the playoffs and still gutted their coaching staff.
San Francisco that has a lot of hope and hype
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going into Minnesota that has a ton of talent, and
they add Kirk Cousins. Houston, New England. Houston, New England
has been the nemesis of Houston, but New England like
who is going to catch the ball outside of Gronk
for the Patriots Tampa New Orleans and that's probably the
only true dud. Jacksonville, Tom Coflin runs that organization taken
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on New York, the new look Giants with Odell Beckham Jr.
In his new contract. Buffalo and Baltimore. Buffalo shouldn't have
made the playoffs, is not for Baltimore spitting up all
over themselves. Kansas City in l A. I've told people
Pat Mahomes, I think he's gonna have a huge year,
some mostly good, some bad. He'll throw some picks against
the Charges that are super talent. They bring back Antonio Gates, Seattle, Denver,
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I wish he was played five years ago. Washington, Arizona,
another kind of dud, Dallas, Carolina's interesting. Chicago now with
Khalil Mack and Mr Trobiski year too, going against Green
Bay and and Aaron Rodgers and the biggest contract in
the NFL dealing without Jordy Nelson. But they think they've
gotten better. And then you've got Sam Donald against the
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Detroit Lions and the Rams against the Raiders, the Raiders
choosing to not play Khalil Mack and the Rams choosing
to pay Aaron Donald Man. There's a bunch of interesting
games out there. But looking at the Patriots and this
thought that the empire is collapsing, and Tom Brady putting
out in a statement on his website, it's more fun
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than ever. That word fun not a mistake that it's
in that sentence. Very much planned. Be sure to catch
live editions so the Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays and
Neonie during three pm Pacific. Rick Pettino joins us on
the Doug gotlip show on Fox Sports Radio. Coach, how
are you, I'm good, Doug. How about yourself? I'm great. Um.
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I was kind of going through some of so many
of the other parts of sure long and historically successful
coaching career that I do think that because of how
things ended at Louisville, they kind of get get lost.
We we we do what's most recently happened, and we forget. Um.
Is that why you come out with the books so quickly? No.
I wrote this book because I felt two things. I thought,
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I'm not going to coach anymore, and the second reason,
I said, I want to closure. I was so tired
of mistruths, of inaccurate things being said. I said, I'm
going to tell the truth, and this book is truth,
and it's my story of exactly what happened. A lot
of people think I'm defending my actions and I'm not
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taking responsibility for the people I hire. Look, I'm not
in coaching today because I take responsibility for what happened.
Uh If I made the wrong highers and I suffered
the consequences by the wrong hires. So but I also
hired twenty nine other people who have gone on to
be division one head coaches starting from you know the
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Billy Donovan Day's Brett Brown played for me with the
seventies six, is Rick Carl played for me with the Knicks,
and then I've I have a bunch of people like
Tubby Smith and mc cronin and Kevin Willard and Division
two national championship Scotty Davenpord, Marvin Menzies and Andy Endfield.
The USC worked with me with the Celtics. So I
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have a bunch of people out there, very very proud
of who had been it the right way. And unfortunately,
over a thirty plush year span, two things happened very
close together that derailed my coaching career and I have
to take responsibility for that. To start, you said you
don't think you don't think you have a coach again.
I've seen that You've said that in other places. But
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you you clearly want to coach again. Right. He nearly
got a job this offseason. So why are you convinced
that you won't coach again? You know, I just I
just think it's it's in the best interest. Um, I'm
still waking up. Let me say this, I've done things
differently as a basketball coach. I do something that no
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other coach does. I don't say it's better, it's just different.
I do play a development from eight to eight forty five,
nine to ten to ten forty five, and eleven to
eleven forty five in between class time, all offensive basketball
to improve the skills of players from Rogier to Gorky
Jang to Donovan Mitchell to all the players I've coached
at Louisville, Kentucky, Providence College in Boston University, I did
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with Brett Brown be you every single day Monday through Friday,
and so I get up in the morning, I put
on my gym shorts and I have no place to go.
So I say that because I do miss it terribly.
But I don't think I'll coach again for the following reasons.
The sudden district in New York who got me basically fired,
um Jim Larranaga and I were mentioned in a complaint
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without a shred of evidence. I'm not on any y ataps.
I did nothing wrong and they did it for only
one reason. So far. Now it's a four year investigation
and four assistant coaches have been indicted. A runner an
AU coach who's they since have exonerated because he kept
the money and some Adidas people. Outside of that, there
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hasn't been one head coach indicted. I will never be
indicted because I've never given a player any money in
my lifetime. But I was mentioned. Now the motive for
mentioning me is interesting because why did the U S
Attorney for the Southern District in New York come out
and they said they didn't mention me by name, but
they say coach too in the complaint. And he coached
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at a university with twenty three thousand, one d people,
so the second grader could figure out who that was.
Jim Larrneger got an extension. Some of the the coaches
where their assistant coaches got indicted got extensions, and I'm
happy for all of them. But with me, they implicated me,
and I said to my lawyers right away, can we
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sue them. Let's sue them. And because they can't get
away with something like this, no coach. One of my
lawyers worked at the Southern District in Yuki, said, they
have total immunity. I say, they can blow up I
say it in the book. They can blow up my life.
Leave me lying on the side of the road, and
that's okay, they're responsible. My lawyers said that was we
deal with collateral damage all the time, and that's what
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I am to them, collateral damage. And I don't think
I'll coach again because of what they have done. Okay,
That's why I say that there's there's, there's, there's a bunch.
I want to get to Rick Pettino kind of to
spend some time with us. The book is Patino, My
story is Doug Otlive Show, Fox Sports Radio. Let's just
start with the Brian Bowen recruitment. They don't have you
on a wire tap, or at least none of these
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wire taps that were told. I mean, look, they nearly
took down Sean Miller as well, but we we never
heard any of that. And he, of course he's he's
survived there and and so what was rumored to be
on a wire tap either doesn't exist or wasn't on
the wire tap. But there were supposedly calls between you
and people involved before and after a meeting between Adidas
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and Christian Dawkins. I think, so it's the there is
there is. There is some smoke to a kind of
a smoking gun. Why why did those phone calls exist, well,
I wish, I wish I would have been on a
wire tap, and I'm not sure I wasn't. I'm just
saying that I wasn't. I guess they can't lie about that,
but I was not on a wire tap. Christian Dawkins
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called me up. I turned over all my emails, all
my text messages to the Washington Post, and he said
to me, each time, high coach, this is Christian Dawkins.
You may remember me. I used to coach Dorian's Pride,
and you recruited one of the players, Jalen Johnson. He
would always introduce himself, so I don't have a close
relationship with this guy at all. He asked me if
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I was interested in Brian Bowen. He heard I was
gonna lose Donovan Mitchell. The family drove six hours with
with their own money, all in the same car. We
went to Griff's restaurant, which is like a Chick fil A.
They paid half the tab. They put themselves up in
a hotel. He no longer had any schools that he
was recruiting. I asked him which schools were recruiting him
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To this day, I don't think the young man or
the mom knew anything that was going on. Jim Gatto
in the complaint and said that I had three phone
calls with Jim Gatto. That was not true. I had
one phone call with Jim Gatto. The other two were
voicemails that he left me and I left for him.
The third phone call was hey, Rick Um, are you
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recruiting this kid Bowen? I said, yeah, Donovan Mitchell, I
think it's going pro. I'd like to have him. He
would be a nice to god. He said, well, I
know some of the family members. I'll put in a
good word for you and some of her friends. I
should be great, Jim. It was a short boom phone call.
That was it. Then he sends me a congratulatory call afterwards, say, hey,
congrats on getting the Boeing kid. What guy attempts to
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pay a DFS calls and congratulates you on getting the kid?
If I was in on that type of thing, So
that's exactly what went down, and in the book I say,
and it's true. If look, I remember you as as
a player at the high school stage. I knew your dad,
and if you were Michael Jordan's I wouldn't give you
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five dollars to come play for me. I wouldn't give
it to you. It's just just me. I'm not saying
I'm holier than now. That's just the way I am.
I believe in outworking people, out developing talent, out strategizing people,
out conditioning people. Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose. But
that's my beliefs. I just don't believe in doing that.
I don't believe in paying athletes um and to come
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play for me. I just don't believe. Look, obviously neither
do I and my lay father had an incredible amount
of respect respect for you and the way in which
you coached and did business, and and the way in
which you developed players. I think what what the name
Sayers would say is, hey, look, Rick Pettino is known
for knowing everything about his players, everything, and and even
about your assistant coaches. Like one of the things that
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you believed in was, Hey, your assistant coaches, they got
to live with what they're what they're talking about. You're
getting no notes when you're speaking to the team. They
gotta be and they got to improve their own physical
condition because you can't be one of these guys at
the disciplinary and that has no self personal, self discipline,
and so they said, well, how can coach Patino know
the body fat percentage of every player on the team. No,
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be so incredibly involved in players in their lives as
well as the coaches in their lives and not know
about what happened in the dorm during a visit or
what happened during the recruitment of a player. What would
your response, But well, it's it's quite obvious. You know.
People just have a difficult time listening when it comes
danc Double A gave me a slap on the wrist.
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They investigated a hundred different people who said from security
in the dorm to assistant coaches to everybody involved in
the situation. They hit with five games because I never,
they say, investigated red flax. When I questioned the n
C Double A with through my attorney, give us one
red flag that I should have seen, they said, I'm
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not saying there were red flags, We're saying you didn't
look for red flax. Well, why would I look for
red flex? There was I coached thirty years forty as
a head coach, and when a recruit came into visit,
I sat with him on Sunday. I said what guys
did you spend time with? What did you do last night?
How did you like practice? What do you think of
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our style of play? What did you think of our
strength coach? What do you think think of our academic advisor? No,
I didn't sit there and say did you see any
strippers last night? So I wouldn't insult anybody by that
line of questioning. So I said that to the n
C double exactly the way I'm saying it to you.
They investigated everything and only gave me a five game suspension,
which I would have beaten. So they knew I knew
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nothing about it. Securing the Dawn knew nothing about it.
The assist Ston coaches say they knew nothing about it.
Six players on the championship team, Luke Cancock, Van Tree,
Squawky Jang said they never saw a single thing. And
the most important thing, my nephews, whose father is on
that dormitory, said Uncle Rick. We never saw a single thing.
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So four times a year. Andrew McGhee has said in
the book, the lady said, dress up like a student.
Security said, we never noticed a single thing, So how
the hell was I going to know something? When someone
makes the type of money we make today in coaching.
Do you think we're going to risk something like that,
that reprehensible behavior, We're gonna We're gonna risk something like
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that to ruin our careers with with bringing strippers into
a dormitory. Okay, it's just it lacks common sense and
any rational person who looks into it says he's not
going to do that. He's not going to subscribe to that.
And do you think we're going to get a recruit?
But the most amazing thing of it all, Doug, what
I I find. We muted to social media as a staff.
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Not one thing in four years came about. So no,
no recruit came in tells a friend, and a friend
gets on social media. Boy, you see what's happening in Louisville.
So those are all things that are out there. There's
no way I could have known, and it was kept
intentionally from me, and because heads would have rolled if
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I would have the fact that when I first spoke
with Andre McGhee, it's in the book, he said, Coach,
they did nothing wrong. They just listened to music. And
obviously he was not telling me the truth because on
the other line, listening to the conversation was Kareem richardson
the um k C coach and when he hung up,
I said, do you believe what Andre saying? And he said, yeah,
I do believe him, coach. And then obviously, when I
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got back from Mexico, I realized that that wasn't the truth.
Rick Pettino joining us in the Doug Otlip Show on
Fox Board TRADINGO. My read into it from uh, you know,
having a brother who's an assistant and having been recruited myself.
Was I mean, is it? Did you tell him, hey,
keep mad the ball ours, you know, don't keep on
campus and whenever, you know, keep out of bars because
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they're underage, and you know, get together and have a
have a thing and get it, you know, just get
it done. But it was it was it he get
it done mentality that I don't want to. I don't
care about how you get it done. Just get it done.
Get the kid to commit when he walks into my
office next day. No, I told you. First of all,
he's the assistant coaches. I told them, I said, look,
I want to find out about this kid. I want
to I want him to watch practice. I want to
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see if he can if he can handle our practices
because our practices are pretty tough. I want to I
want to know is he a basketball junkie? I want
to know those things find out about him now going
into it. If I knew he was a basketball junkie,
had said bo would be great if we could get
it done. But I didn't tell Andrew McGee that. Andrew
mcgeeze operations guy. All he was responsible was for getting
them up in the morning for for practice or getting
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up for breakfast. It was the assistant coaches who was
Kevin Keats White, King Jones, it was Blato, it was
David Paget. Those guys would have once responsible for getting
it done. If we got a kid. I'm ry McGee
was never going to get a knee credit. He was
an operations guy. Why would the why would the court
want to come after you? Why would as you said,
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your collateral damage? Why why would you be the target?
What do you think that when they when they announced,
when they come out and they get in front of
all the cameras and they make an announcement that we're
we're indicting flour assistant coaches and a AU coach, a runner. Uh,
do you think that's gonna make national news. It would
have made I mean, just you FBI and college basketball.
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I think one of the things that we operate in
the world is isn't that, Um, there's this assumption that
everybody's cheating on some level, right, that's just the I'm
just like, I never got anything, and no one I
ever played with the Notre Dame in Oakland State got anything.
And yet there's this always been this assumption that basketball
players like there's always hundred dollar handshakes and there's occasionally
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so I think that that there still would have been
FBI college but it would have been big. But you
get you know, you get a whale, like a Hall
of Fame coach like yourself was one national championships, And
obviously I get what you're saying in terms of it,
it gets people's attention and scares the be Jesus out
of any of these other coaches. Is that what you're saying. No,
I think they used me for public to get the
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publicity with their case. I don't think they had a
shred of evidence with me, and I've said it. I mean,
what what normal um? What normal person writes in the
book about the Southern District of New York and goes
after them if he's not a innocent, because Doug. The
first thing I did, I got an FBI agent who
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specializes in polygraphs, not not a lawyer, to give me
a bogus polygraph. An FBI agent gave me a polygraph.
Did you know anything about the Adida stuff? Did you know?
Did you give anything to the bow And family promised
him anything? No past the polygraph. The FBI agent went
to the went with my lawyers to the Southern District
of New York and told him he passed the polygraph.
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He knew nothing about it. So I write in the book.
See I don't. I don't think there's corruption. I think
it's less than I like I write in a book.
I think it's less than ten percent. I think now
it's much granted today than it was thirty years ago.
It's not You hear stories of a hundred and fifty thousand,
a hundred thousand. I'm blown away by those numbers and
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the fact that a shoe company, the fact that an
agent or whoever would give that type of money. I
think it's insane. I mean, you're talking about Michael Jordan.
You're not talking about You're talking about good basketball players
who you know they may go to the NBA, it
may not. So somebody sold the data is a bill
of goods. Last thing, Coach, we really appreciate you spending
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all this all this time with this um. You know,
look that they're trying to This investigation has caused them
to try and make changes in how recruiting takes place,
getting USA Basketball involved. Um, is this a perception game?
Is the reality? Like? How do you fix the perception?
And you're saying, is it's less than ten percent? Well,
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how you change the perception of how college basketball is
being done? Well? Four years ago, I went on a
rant about shoe companies at a press conference. Now it
bites the hand that feeds me. They were paying me
a million dollars a year to wear a shoe. But
I was saying it's wrong. So I can't recruit a
kid who's playing on the Nike circuit or the under
on the circuit because I'm an Adidas guy. This is absurd.
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I said, the whole thing is wrong. We need to
get basketball back into the hands of high school coaches.
If that that nothing against grassroots basketball, they can do
that thing. But we need to get basketball and what
I suggested was to have four different regions, the South,
the East, the Midwest, and the West. Have the n
C double A run the recruiting into some invite the
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kids in like the five Star basketball camp. I go
into detail in the book, and then have us evaluate,
bring the parents and educate them on the rules, and
then go from there. And then because look, it's the agents,
it's the runners, it's it's all these things coming into
college basketball. I don't the coaches like Showski and Calipari
and Roy Williams, and they're not going to risk the
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millions of dollars they were to give a kid money.
They don't have to. It's it's the people that uh
don't have those reputations that are going to possibly break
the rules. Um, I said that was the last one.
What's me? Look, I'm marvel what your career as a coach,
And again, I do think the scandal, at least in
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the short term, is going to overshadow all of the
great things for somebody who doesn't want to pay attention
to all of the things. What's the what's the part
of your career you actually are most most proud of,
you know, Doug play of development is really really important
to me. It's not the seven final fours, it's not
the two championships, it's not then Nick's. But he's an
interesting thing. I told somebody today I grew up. They said,
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who did you really admire growing up? It was two
Italian coaches from New York. One was Vinculambody, the other
one was Joe Paterno. Growing up as in New Yorker,
I looked at those two people as they were football coaches,
well the other They said, what about basketball? I said,
I admired John Wooden the most of any coach in
the business. Then they immediately brought up Sam Gilbert. He
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said all those championships had tainted because of Sam Gilbert.
I said, not in my eyes. And they immediately said
Joe Paterno. I said, Joe Paterno was a humble man
who unfortunately went out the wrong way. So unfortunately, when
time heals and these scandals go away, and I'm exonerated
from any of his nonsense, maybe people will look back
on what I did with my assistant coaches, all the
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ones that did it the right way, and maybe they'll
look back on the players I've cultivated. I didn't have
a lot of one and dones. I didn't have any
one and dones. Maybe they'll look at what I did
in between class time to make players better and they'll
remember me that way. The book is Pattino My Story
from Diversion Books. It's out today. Rick Pettino, coach, Thanks
so much for your time. Look look forward to catching
up with you during basketball season. Great dog any time.
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Take care. Rick Pettino joining us on The Doug Gottlip
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League gets on the way in just two days. The
defending champs, last two defending NFC champions will face off
in Philadelphia place where uh the Eagles held on to
beat the Falcons. Um going back a couple of months ago,
and we'll see the same two quarterbacks as Nick Foles
will get the start going against Matt Ryan and the Falcons.
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A lot to get to Adam character, former All American,
with Nebraska's John Gonna join us, We'll ask him what
he learned from this weekend in college football. Is Michigan's
offensive line issue? Are they fixable? The rinky din dinkin
dung offense from Florida State? Is that what we're gonna
see from the Knowles from this point forward? And it
it feels like you can pencil in Alabama and Clemson
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into the national semifinals? Am I crazy to think that? All? Right?
That upcoming in fifteen minutes, James Laura Nitis is gonna
join us from the Big Ten Network in college football
on Fox. Will ask him about the struggles of Penn State,
Michigan State, and of course Michigan and the dominant performance
of Ohio State. And then we're gonna get about a
half hour. Rick Prittino, he's got a new book out
telling his side of the story and could this story
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be the last story of his uh legendary college basketball
and NBA coaching career. We'll ask Rick Pettino, who will
join us at two o'clock on the West coast, five
o'clock on the East coast. So deep breath, lots to
talk about, got some hoops, Scott, some college football. But
we can't start an NFL season. This is year three.
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Can't start an NFL season without talking about Colin Kaepernick
not on a team, hadn't been on a team, and
over a year still suing the NFL. That collusion case
will apparently go to trials. The NFL lost the first
ruling going back to last week. But of course Nike
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kind of dropped this, uh, this enormous um surprise on
us yesterday when they made him the face of their
thirtieth anniversary ad campaign. By now, I believe you've seen it.
I don't need to go into it. I'll only say this,
I was really surprised, but I shouldn't be surprised, because
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this is what seems to be happening with the kneeling
and the anthem controversy. Every time I think it goes
away or it's gonna go away, boom, it comes right back.
It was going away last year because Cap was in
the league and fewer and fewer players were being recognized
as protesting, and then the President United States called out
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the players, and by calling out the players, it reinvigorated
the energy behind the protest. The owners actually got involved
in many of them showed solidarity with their players, and
it was again part of the national discussion. Then the
off season, the NFL came away with this new rule
where you gotta be out the If you're out there,
you gotta stand. You don't have to be out there.
That kept this conversation going. But then you know, CBS
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came out and said, hey, we're not gonna show it.
Yes or ESPN first day we're not gonna show the anthem,
then CBS, then Fox we're not gonna show it. And
so it felt like it was dying down and now
it's back again. It was like a bad rash. And
then really does UM and I and I honestly don't
care what's out of the political aisle you sit on.
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I don't care, Um, I don't and I this is
one of those deals to which it feels just like
a It feels like genius and stupidity all at the
same time for Nike. Genius in that we ain't talking
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about anybody else. Stupidity in that, well, you just um
committed ten more years to being the official Jersey sponsor
of the NFL, and now you run I guess the
risk of hurting that relationship because and I don't guess.
I'm sure there were phone calls after phone calls after
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phone calls had this morning between New York and Beaverton, Oregon.
What in the hell is this? Because Colin Kaepernick is
suing the NFL and Nike, who's in bed with the NFL,
is putting their money in their weight behind Colin Kaepernick.
That that just doesn't happen that often in corporate America.
That just doesn't. When you suze somebody, usually you are toxic.
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Everybody's staying like whoa, whoa suing the NFL for collusion? WHOA?
Nobody's gonna touch that. And Nike is like, yeah, we'll
test that. We're cool. And it feels like Nike has
reached the too big to fail sort of point. And
if you want to say, well, their stock is down
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for nothing occurs in a vacuum, I believe so too.
Adidas stocks down, even more so is under Armour stock.
What does that have to do with the price of
of of T I'm just surprised at the timing of it,
and I'm really surprised that Nike chose at this point
in timing because Kaepernick is suing the NFL. Timing because
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on a Monday night on Labor Day, that's when the
ad campaign is announced instead of I mean, really bang
for your buck. Couldn't you have done at Wednesday or
even Thursday, first day of the NFL. On the other hand,
here's the genius to it. We're all talking about it.
Is it really gonna affect you? You know? And to
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the old to this, it's seemingly this is a little
bit of this is I was watching the Florida State
game last night. Music. Did you watch Florida State and
they're dinking dunk rinky dink cap their plays got zero
yard jalesque offense. Yes, I did. Okay, what did you
think of Florida States uniforms? I liked them. I actually
thought they were one of the alternate uniforms that I
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actually like. Yeah, the blackout uniforms, I thought that looks
pretty good. Yeah. I like Virginia Text. I love the
all white uniforms, red letters, and I love Virginia Tech
and what they've done with the adding the stripe to
the helmets whatever. Florida State has iconic uniforms for the the
last thirty years there been a dominant part of college football.
I don't I don't know if they need to dolly
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them up. I didn't like the maroon on black that
I couldn't see, but I thought, as as alternate UNI
forms go, they were pretty cool. But here's the big thing.
I turned to my kids and I was like, what
do you guys think? They're like, those uniforms are awesome.
Those are the best ones yet. And that's the whole
idea of these, all the changing uniforms. It doesn't matter
what you and I think, it doesn't matter what your
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dad thinks. They're trying to recruit kids. That's the next generation,
trying to get you to pay attention to their unis,
to their style. And I would guess that's what Nike's
doing here. Nike's sitting there going like, yeah, old people,
they're probably kind of split on this thing, or maybe
even less than split. And they're against Colin Kaepernick's demonstration
of his constitutional rights and taking a knee before the
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national anthem. But based on our based on all our research,
younger people dig it. Younger people are anti establishment. Younger
people are pro Colin Kaepernick. Again, there's a huge amount
of risk put forward, even though they're Nike and they'll
be fine. The fact is you run the risk of
ticking off all the police officers more so even than
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military people. Or are probably I don't know, they're split
on it. But like, look, this is the problem with
Kaepernick is he's a leader of a movement to which
he's never really said anything. He hasn't he is a
he's a voiceless leader. Additionally, he's had other issue. He
had issues before he ever took a knee that caused
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him to lose his job in San Francisco, the inability
to lead, then having the headphones on, not evolving as
a quarterback, not able to change arm angles. The league
kind of adjusted to him. But the biggest thing was
Colin Kaepernick wasn't a great vocal, verbal leader in the
forty Niners a front office now in their facility. He wasn't.
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He wasn't a dude. He wasn't a hey, guys, get
behind me, will will be fine. And that's the same
way he's been as leader of this movement. On the
other hand, there there there is a there is a
an obvious thrust behind this movement to where it's not
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against all cops, it's cops that abuse their power. Look
I sit there and go, I don't know how anybody
who want to be a police officer. It is a
thank thankless job. You know, we take shots at all
the things they do, including their pensions, and yet here
they are. I think most of them sign up one
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because it should be a good job, and even though
it's a dangerous job, you'll be compensated, and oh yeah,
by the way, you're helping make the world a better place.
I don't think they all do, but I don't think
all of them are even most of them are bad.
But there's some bad ones or some bad football players too.
We don't protest against them. But Kaepernick has never been
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flawless in terms of his leadership. Kaepernick is the guy
who won the wore the pig socks. Kaepernick is a
guy that wasn't willing to do the little things in
order to make himself available as a backup quarterback or
take a chance at going to another franchise. He has
been a voiceless leader of a massive movement, a movement
that was supposed to bring attention to a problem, which
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I think he has achieved. And he has in fact
donated a million dollars of his own money to various causes.
So it's a it's it's a complex thing. You don't
have to necessarily be pro or anti what. I'm always
fascinated by why like this does Nike think they're just
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We're on the right side of history and that's why
we're gonna we want to be on the right side
of history and that's why. Or are we trying to
make money off of a younger generation and always be
always be viewed as cool and hip and with it
and with the times and anti establishment when we, as
Nike are in fact establishment. I'm fascinated by the why not,
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the what not? The what Nonetheless, Nike has chosen to
completely take hold of all the football discussion thus far. Today,
nobody's talking about votech going into Tallahassee and smashing Florida State. Now,
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even Jim Harball was like, yeah, it's great. Everybody forgot
that we lost Notre Dame got down fourteen to nothing
and our offensive line, same old, same old issues. People
aren't talking about the nontroversy that is the controversy quarterback
controversy in Alabama. Nor are we talking about the upcoming
weekend in the NFL talking about cap We're talking about Nike.
We're talking about the NFL altogether. So I guess Nike
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wins in the any publicity is good publicity, and I'm
fascinating to see if this hurts their relationship with the
National Football League or if it even matters. Like like,
one of the reasons that many of us in our
business are not outspoken about certain things that we don't
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like in the sports we cover is the fear of
retribution from the places that we cover. Right Like, Look,
I'm I'm not a pro or anti n c A guy.
I don't believe college athletes should be compensated above that
of of your scholarship. Um, but I will tell you
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that you're never going to get an anti n c
A rant out of somebody who covers the n C
A turn, because the n c will squash you. Bob
Costas goes on an anti NFL rant, and he's gonna
he's no longer gonna be covering the NFL for NBC,
whether he wanted to or not. It doesn't matter that
that is over. Dudes that are anti football aren't gonna
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be covering football because somebody who works for somebody in
football picks up the phone and says, we don't want
that guy covering football. But what happens when an entity
is big and his power full and frankly as dynamic
as Nike says, you know, I will support an anti
establishment guy. When you're in bed with and you're part
of the establishment, that to me is fascinating. Be sure
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to catch live editions of The Doug Dot Leaps Show
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It's more fun now than ever, said Brady, playing football
at age forty one. I feel like I understand the
game better than I ever have, and I feel like
it can be a lot more. I can be a
lot more decisive out there. Especially over the last eight
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years or so, I've developed so much more intuitive sense
of my surroundings on the field. I feel more comfortable
out there because I've seen a lot of the same
situation before. I've also trained hard this offseason to improve
my movement and anticipation. All of that stuff I believe
to be true. Right, there's this um. There's a continuum,
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and at one end you have your actual football town,
the other one you have your football like Q and
there's this kind of magical mix your prime in the middle.
But as long as you still have enough football skill
and your football IQ grows. I mean, we saw this
from Peyton Manning after he missed a year because those
botched surgeries. Right, he goes as fifty touchdown passes, but
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then his body began to deteriorate and even though his
football like Q was off the charts, the body wouldn't
co operate. So Brady is saying, like, look, my body
still cooperates by football i Q. I've seen everything for
eighteen years and I'm I'm good. But the word fund
is interesting. Isn't it right of all the words to
put in the opening sentence on his website? It's more
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fun than ever? Because what did Lane Johnson of the
Eagles say about the Patriots. They don't have fun. That's
the narrative outside of New England, or people would leave
New England. It's not fun. I want to have fun.
I want to win, but I want to have fun.
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So whether this is kind of rebranding or resetting who
New England is and how they do things, or this
is Brady telling establishing what his what his perception of
fun is. I don't think it's an accident that the
word fun is in the sentence. It reminds me of
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some of those Dan Brown books right where there's this
coding in all the messages. You know, I don't know
if you've ever seen in a red Inferno. Very there's
there's a certain um, what was the what's the last?
Oh man, what's what's uh? Buyer? Have you seen? Um?
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What's what's the movie? Um? Sorry, guys, bron was you're
a big movie guy. The last Marvel the big Marvel
movie of the of the summer Infinity War. So the
end of Infinity War, there's a certain Inferno quality to it.
I don't want to give away, like I still think
it's too early to give away most A lot of
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people have seen Infinity War, and you know that people
die in it, or people there's anyway they they they
I guess to die at it. Um. There's a similar
kind of characteristic to the end of the book Inferno,
which is a damn damn Brown thing. But the interesting
part about Inferno, and this is all the is the
coding within the messages. Right. The message says one thing,
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but there's another kind of hidden meaning within it. And
I may be crazy, but I kind of think that's
what Brady's doing here. He's not none of this is
wrong in a statement like I feel like I understand
the game better. I've also trained hard this offseason, improved
my movement, my anticipation. I've seen all of these same situations,
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Like none of this stuff is new to me. I
know exactly what to do and how to do it,
and like there are no new d fences and new schemes,
like I've seen everything by now. But the fact that
in the opening sentence of a statement and kind of
fake Q and A on his own website, it has
the word fun in it, I do not believe as
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an accident. I do not believe for one second that
that's an accident none. So I'm fascinated to see what
happens with the Patriots. We did this yesterday. You know, look,
as much as college football gets off to a great
start and you have some really interesting games, probably the
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most exciting of which you had Auburn in Washington was
super exciting, and Michigan Notre Dame I thought was really exciting.
At the end, I would tell you I think that
the NFL has done a great job. You have Eagles
Falcons on Thursday, Steelers in Cleveland, especially Cleveland played him
close both times last year and no Levy on Bell
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since the Indie interesting because is you know, since he
held on to Marvin Lewis and Indie brings back Andrew
Luck Miami Tennessee. Miami may have depleted all their town
but they get Tannehill back and they've gone character over talent. Meanwhile,
Tennessee they made the playoffs and still gutted their coaching staff.
San Francisco that has a lot of hope and hype
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going into Minnesota that has a ton of talent, and
they add Kirk Cousins. Houston, New England. Houston, New England
has been the nemesis of Houston, but New England like
who is going to catch the ball outside of Gronk
for the Patriots Tampa New Orleans and that's probably the
only true dud. Jacksonville, Tom Coflin runs that organization taken
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on New York, the new look Giants with Odell Beckham Jr.
In his new contract. Buffalo and Baltimore. Buffalo shouldn't have
made the playoffs, is not for Baltimore spitting up all
over themselves. Kansas City in l A. I've told people
Pat Mahomes, I think he's gonna have a huge year,
some mostly good, some bad. He'll throw some picks against
the Charges that are super talent. They bring back Antonio Gates, Seattle, Denver,
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I wish he was played five years ago. Washington, Arizona,
another kind of dud, Dallas, Carolina's interesting. Chicago now with
Khalil Mack and Mr Trobiski year too, going against Green
Bay and and Aaron Rodgers and the biggest contract in
the NFL dealing without Jordy Nelson. But they think they've
gotten better. And then you've got Sam Donald against the
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Detroit Lions and the Rams against the Raiders, the Raiders
choosing to not play Khalil Mack and the Rams choosing
to pay Aaron Donald Man. There's a bunch of interesting
games out there. But looking at the Patriots and this
thought that the empire is collapsing, and Tom Brady putting
out in a statement on his website, it's more fun
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than ever. That word fun not a mistake that it's
in that sentence. Very much planned. Be sure to catch
live editions so the Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays and
Neonie during three pm Pacific. Rick Pettino joins us on
the Doug gotlip show on Fox Sports Radio. Coach, how
are you, I'm good, Doug. How about yourself? I'm great. Um.
(20:10):
I was kind of going through some of so many
of the other parts of sure long and historically successful
coaching career that I do think that because of how
things ended at Louisville, they kind of get get lost.
We we we do what's most recently happened, and we forget. Um.
Is that why you come out with the books so quickly? No.
I wrote this book because I felt two things. I thought,
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I'm not going to coach anymore, and the second reason,
I said, I want to closure. I was so tired
of mistruths, of inaccurate things being said. I said, I'm
going to tell the truth, and this book is truth,
and it's my story of exactly what happened. A lot
of people think I'm defending my actions and I'm not
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taking responsibility for the people I hire. Look, I'm not
in coaching today because I take responsibility for what happened.
Uh If I made the wrong highers and I suffered
the consequences by the wrong hires. So but I also
hired twenty nine other people who have gone on to
be division one head coaches starting from you know the
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Billy Donovan Day's Brett Brown played for me with the
seventies six, is Rick Carl played for me with the Knicks,
and then I've I have a bunch of people like
Tubby Smith and mc cronin and Kevin Willard and Division
two national championship Scotty Davenpord, Marvin Menzies and Andy Endfield.
The USC worked with me with the Celtics. So I
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have a bunch of people out there, very very proud
of who had been it the right way. And unfortunately,
over a thirty plush year span, two things happened very
close together that derailed my coaching career and I have
to take responsibility for that. To start, you said you
don't think you don't think you have a coach again.
I've seen that You've said that in other places. But
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you you clearly want to coach again. Right. He nearly
got a job this offseason. So why are you convinced
that you won't coach again? You know, I just I
just think it's it's in the best interest. Um, I'm
still waking up. Let me say this, I've done things
differently as a basketball coach. I do something that no
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other coach does. I don't say it's better, it's just different.
I do play a development from eight to eight forty five,
nine to ten to ten forty five, and eleven to
eleven forty five in between class time, all offensive basketball
to improve the skills of players from Rogier to Gorky
Jang to Donovan Mitchell to all the players I've coached
at Louisville, Kentucky, Providence College in Boston University, I did
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with Brett Brown be you every single day Monday through Friday,
and so I get up in the morning, I put
on my gym shorts and I have no place to go.
So I say that because I do miss it terribly.
But I don't think I'll coach again for the following reasons.
The sudden district in New York who got me basically fired,
um Jim Larranaga and I were mentioned in a complaint
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without a shred of evidence. I'm not on any y ataps.
I did nothing wrong and they did it for only
one reason. So far. Now it's a four year investigation
and four assistant coaches have been indicted. A runner an
AU coach who's they since have exonerated because he kept
the money and some Adidas people. Outside of that, there
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hasn't been one head coach indicted. I will never be
indicted because I've never given a player any money in
my lifetime. But I was mentioned. Now the motive for
mentioning me is interesting because why did the U S
Attorney for the Southern District in New York come out
and they said they didn't mention me by name, but
they say coach too in the complaint. And he coached
(23:50):
at a university with twenty three thousand, one d people,
so the second grader could figure out who that was.
Jim Larrneger got an extension. Some of the the coaches
where their assistant coaches got indicted got extensions, and I'm
happy for all of them. But with me, they implicated me,
and I said to my lawyers right away, can we
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sue them. Let's sue them. And because they can't get
away with something like this, no coach. One of my
lawyers worked at the Southern District in Yuki, said, they
have total immunity. I say, they can blow up I
say it in the book. They can blow up my life.
Leave me lying on the side of the road, and
that's okay, they're responsible. My lawyers said that was we
deal with collateral damage all the time, and that's what
(24:35):
I am to them, collateral damage. And I don't think
I'll coach again because of what they have done. Okay,
That's why I say that there's there's, there's, there's a bunch.
I want to get to Rick Pettino kind of to
spend some time with us. The book is Patino, My
story is Doug Otlive Show, Fox Sports Radio. Let's just
start with the Brian Bowen recruitment. They don't have you
on a wire tap, or at least none of these
(24:56):
wire taps that were told. I mean, look, they nearly
took down Sean Miller as well, but we we never
heard any of that. And he, of course he's he's
survived there and and so what was rumored to be
on a wire tap either doesn't exist or wasn't on
the wire tap. But there were supposedly calls between you
and people involved before and after a meeting between Adidas
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and Christian Dawkins. I think, so it's the there is
there is. There is some smoke to a kind of
a smoking gun. Why why did those phone calls exist, well,
I wish, I wish I would have been on a
wire tap, and I'm not sure I wasn't. I'm just
saying that I wasn't. I guess they can't lie about that,
but I was not on a wire tap. Christian Dawkins
(25:38):
called me up. I turned over all my emails, all
my text messages to the Washington Post, and he said
to me, each time, high coach, this is Christian Dawkins.
You may remember me. I used to coach Dorian's Pride,
and you recruited one of the players, Jalen Johnson. He
would always introduce himself, so I don't have a close
relationship with this guy at all. He asked me if
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I was interested in Brian Bowen. He heard I was
gonna lose Donovan Mitchell. The family drove six hours with
with their own money, all in the same car. We
went to Griff's restaurant, which is like a Chick fil A.
They paid half the tab. They put themselves up in
a hotel. He no longer had any schools that he
was recruiting. I asked him which schools were recruiting him
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To this day, I don't think the young man or
the mom knew anything that was going on. Jim Gatto
in the complaint and said that I had three phone
calls with Jim Gatto. That was not true. I had
one phone call with Jim Gatto. The other two were
voicemails that he left me and I left for him.
The third phone call was hey, Rick Um, are you
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recruiting this kid Bowen? I said, yeah, Donovan Mitchell, I
think it's going pro. I'd like to have him. He
would be a nice to god. He said, well, I
know some of the family members. I'll put in a
good word for you and some of her friends. I
should be great, Jim. It was a short boom phone call.
That was it. Then he sends me a congratulatory call afterwards, say, hey,
congrats on getting the Boeing kid. What guy attempts to
(27:02):
pay a DFS calls and congratulates you on getting the kid?
If I was in on that type of thing, So
that's exactly what went down, and in the book I say,
and it's true. If look, I remember you as as
a player at the high school stage. I knew your dad,
and if you were Michael Jordan's I wouldn't give you
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five dollars to come play for me. I wouldn't give
it to you. It's just just me. I'm not saying
I'm holier than now. That's just the way I am.
I believe in outworking people, out developing talent, out strategizing people,
out conditioning people. Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose. But
that's my beliefs. I just don't believe in doing that.
I don't believe in paying athletes um and to come
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play for me. I just don't believe. Look, obviously neither
do I and my lay father had an incredible amount
of respect respect for you and the way in which
you coached and did business, and and the way in
which you developed players. I think what what the name
Sayers would say is, hey, look, Rick Pettino is known
for knowing everything about his players, everything, and and even
about your assistant coaches. Like one of the things that
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you believed in was, Hey, your assistant coaches, they got
to live with what they're what they're talking about. You're
getting no notes when you're speaking to the team. They
gotta be and they got to improve their own physical
condition because you can't be one of these guys at
the disciplinary and that has no self personal, self discipline,
and so they said, well, how can coach Patino know
the body fat percentage of every player on the team. No,
(28:28):
be so incredibly involved in players in their lives as
well as the coaches in their lives and not know
about what happened in the dorm during a visit or
what happened during the recruitment of a player. What would
your response, But well, it's it's quite obvious. You know.
People just have a difficult time listening when it comes
danc Double A gave me a slap on the wrist.
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They investigated a hundred different people who said from security
in the dorm to assistant coaches to everybody involved in
the situation. They hit with five games because I never,
they say, investigated red flax. When I questioned the n
C Double A with through my attorney, give us one
red flag that I should have seen, they said, I'm
(29:12):
not saying there were red flags, We're saying you didn't
look for red flax. Well, why would I look for
red flex? There was I coached thirty years forty as
a head coach, and when a recruit came into visit,
I sat with him on Sunday. I said what guys
did you spend time with? What did you do last night?
How did you like practice? What do you think of
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our style of play? What did you think of our
strength coach? What do you think think of our academic advisor? No,
I didn't sit there and say did you see any
strippers last night? So I wouldn't insult anybody by that
line of questioning. So I said that to the n
C double exactly the way I'm saying it to you.
They investigated everything and only gave me a five game suspension,
which I would have beaten. So they knew I knew
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nothing about it. Securing the Dawn knew nothing about it.
The assist Ston coaches say they knew nothing about it.
Six players on the championship team, Luke Cancock, Van Tree,
Squawky Jang said they never saw a single thing. And
the most important thing, my nephews, whose father is on
that dormitory, said Uncle Rick. We never saw a single thing.
(30:17):
So four times a year. Andrew McGhee has said in
the book, the lady said, dress up like a student.
Security said, we never noticed a single thing, So how
the hell was I going to know something? When someone
makes the type of money we make today in coaching.
Do you think we're going to risk something like that,
that reprehensible behavior, We're gonna We're gonna risk something like
(30:39):
that to ruin our careers with with bringing strippers into
a dormitory. Okay, it's just it lacks common sense and
any rational person who looks into it says he's not
going to do that. He's not going to subscribe to that.
And do you think we're going to get a recruit?
But the most amazing thing of it all, Doug, what
I I find. We muted to social media as a staff.
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Not one thing in four years came about. So no,
no recruit came in tells a friend, and a friend
gets on social media. Boy, you see what's happening in Louisville.
So those are all things that are out there. There's
no way I could have known, and it was kept
intentionally from me, and because heads would have rolled if
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I would have the fact that when I first spoke
with Andre McGhee, it's in the book, he said, Coach,
they did nothing wrong. They just listened to music. And
obviously he was not telling me the truth because on
the other line, listening to the conversation was Kareem richardson
the um k C coach and when he hung up,
I said, do you believe what Andre saying? And he said, yeah,
I do believe him, coach. And then obviously, when I
(31:43):
got back from Mexico, I realized that that wasn't the truth.
Rick Pettino joining us in the Doug Otlip Show on
Fox Board TRADINGO. My read into it from uh, you know,
having a brother who's an assistant and having been recruited myself.
Was I mean, is it? Did you tell him, hey,
keep mad the ball ours, you know, don't keep on
campus and whenever, you know, keep out of bars because
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they're underage, and you know, get together and have a
have a thing and get it, you know, just get
it done. But it was it was it he get
it done mentality that I don't want to. I don't
care about how you get it done. Just get it done.
Get the kid to commit when he walks into my
office next day. No, I told you. First of all,
he's the assistant coaches. I told them, I said, look,
I want to find out about this kid. I want
to I want him to watch practice. I want to
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see if he can if he can handle our practices
because our practices are pretty tough. I want to I
want to know is he a basketball junkie? I want
to know those things find out about him now going
into it. If I knew he was a basketball junkie,
had said bo would be great if we could get
it done. But I didn't tell Andrew McGee that. Andrew
mcgeeze operations guy. All he was responsible was for getting
them up in the morning for for practice or getting
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up for breakfast. It was the assistant coaches who was
Kevin Keats White, King Jones, it was Blato, it was
David Paget. Those guys would have once responsible for getting
it done. If we got a kid. I'm ry McGee
was never going to get a knee credit. He was
an operations guy. Why would the why would the court
want to come after you? Why would as you said,
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your collateral damage? Why why would you be the target?
What do you think that when they when they announced,
when they come out and they get in front of
all the cameras and they make an announcement that we're
we're indicting flour assistant coaches and a AU coach, a runner. Uh,
do you think that's gonna make national news. It would
have made I mean, just you FBI and college basketball.
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I think one of the things that we operate in
the world is isn't that, Um, there's this assumption that
everybody's cheating on some level, right, that's just the I'm
just like, I never got anything, and no one I
ever played with the Notre Dame in Oakland State got anything.
And yet there's this always been this assumption that basketball
players like there's always hundred dollar handshakes and there's occasionally
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so I think that that there still would have been
FBI college but it would have been big. But you
get you know, you get a whale, like a Hall
of Fame coach like yourself was one national championships, And
obviously I get what you're saying in terms of it,
it gets people's attention and scares the be Jesus out
of any of these other coaches. Is that what you're saying. No,
I think they used me for public to get the
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publicity with their case. I don't think they had a
shred of evidence with me, and I've said it. I mean,
what what normal um? What normal person writes in the
book about the Southern District of New York and goes
after them if he's not a innocent, because Doug. The
first thing I did, I got an FBI agent who
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specializes in polygraphs, not not a lawyer, to give me
a bogus polygraph. An FBI agent gave me a polygraph.
Did you know anything about the Adida stuff? Did you know?
Did you give anything to the bow And family promised
him anything? No past the polygraph. The FBI agent went
to the went with my lawyers to the Southern District
of New York and told him he passed the polygraph.
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He knew nothing about it. So I write in the book.
See I don't. I don't think there's corruption. I think
it's less than I like I write in a book.
I think it's less than ten percent. I think now
it's much granted today than it was thirty years ago.
It's not You hear stories of a hundred and fifty thousand,
a hundred thousand. I'm blown away by those numbers and
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the fact that a shoe company, the fact that an
agent or whoever would give that type of money. I
think it's insane. I mean, you're talking about Michael Jordan.
You're not talking about You're talking about good basketball players
who you know they may go to the NBA, it
may not. So somebody sold the data is a bill
of goods. Last thing, Coach, we really appreciate you spending
(35:41):
all this all this time with this um. You know,
look that they're trying to This investigation has caused them
to try and make changes in how recruiting takes place,
getting USA Basketball involved. Um, is this a perception game?
Is the reality? Like? How do you fix the perception?
And you're saying, is it's less than ten percent? Well,
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how you change the perception of how college basketball is
being done? Well? Four years ago, I went on a
rant about shoe companies at a press conference. Now it
bites the hand that feeds me. They were paying me
a million dollars a year to wear a shoe. But
I was saying it's wrong. So I can't recruit a
kid who's playing on the Nike circuit or the under
on the circuit because I'm an Adidas guy. This is absurd.
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I said, the whole thing is wrong. We need to
get basketball back into the hands of high school coaches.
If that that nothing against grassroots basketball, they can do
that thing. But we need to get basketball and what
I suggested was to have four different regions, the South,
the East, the Midwest, and the West. Have the n
C double A run the recruiting into some invite the
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kids in like the five Star basketball camp. I go
into detail in the book, and then have us evaluate,
bring the parents and educate them on the rules, and
then go from there. And then because look, it's the agents,
it's the runners, it's it's all these things coming into
college basketball. I don't the coaches like Showski and Calipari
and Roy Williams, and they're not going to risk the
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millions of dollars they were to give a kid money.
They don't have to. It's it's the people that uh
don't have those reputations that are going to possibly break
the rules. Um, I said that was the last one.
What's me? Look, I'm marvel what your career as a coach,
And again, I do think the scandal, at least in
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the short term, is going to overshadow all of the
great things for somebody who doesn't want to pay attention
to all of the things. What's the what's the part
of your career you actually are most most proud of,
you know, Doug play of development is really really important
to me. It's not the seven final fours, it's not
the two championships, it's not then Nick's. But he's an
interesting thing. I told somebody today I grew up. They said,
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who did you really admire growing up? It was two
Italian coaches from New York. One was Vinculambody, the other
one was Joe Paterno. Growing up as in New Yorker,
I looked at those two people as they were football coaches,
well the other They said, what about basketball? I said,
I admired John Wooden the most of any coach in
the business. Then they immediately brought up Sam Gilbert. He
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said all those championships had tainted because of Sam Gilbert.
I said, not in my eyes. And they immediately said
Joe Paterno. I said, Joe Paterno was a humble man
who unfortunately went out the wrong way. So unfortunately, when
time heals and these scandals go away, and I'm exonerated
from any of his nonsense, maybe people will look back
on what I did with my assistant coaches, all the
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ones that did it the right way, and maybe they'll
look back on the players I've cultivated. I didn't have
a lot of one and dones. I didn't have any
one and dones. Maybe they'll look at what I did
in between class time to make players better and they'll
remember me that way. The book is Pattino My Story
from Diversion Books. It's out today. Rick Pettino, coach, Thanks
so much for your time. Look look forward to catching
up with you during basketball season. Great dog any time.
(38:55):
Take care. Rick Pettino joining us on The Doug Gottlip
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