May 14, 2019 • 44 mins
Doug tells you why the Warriors still need Kevin Durant to continue their championship dynasty. He also reveals the reason why the Celtics under performed this season. Plus, he talks to Marcus Thompson from The Athletic Bay Area about his new book and how the Warriors match up against the Trail Blazers without Durant.
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Ryan Music devastated by this. Well, this is a great
question because it actually relates to our opening segment, which is,
can Gottlieb do a show without coffee? Which is a
lot like can the Warriors win the series without Kevin Durant?
Don't believe me here' Steve Kerr yesterday, when asked about
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the possibility of Durant playing in games one or two.
I think everyone needs to slow down a little bit,
like Kevin stuff. He hasn't even stepped on the floor yet,
so you know, we've we've tried to remain somewhat vague
because that the injury is really, uh, sort of open
ended in terms of how long he's gonna need to recover.
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But I think in doing so, uh, maybe people have
gotten the idea that he's gonna come back and you
will be Willis Reid or something. Yeah. And by the way,
Willis Reid didn't actually play well when he came limping
into the NBA Finals. Thank you Ryan Music. Yeah, that's
that's bad. Can Godley do a show without coffee? Yes?
Can the Warriors win without Durant? Yes? Does that make
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them better without Durant? No? Does that make this show
better without coffee? The answer is no. I think our
segments done here. We can almost roll the break, right, Ramos.
We do this all the time though, right, Like the
New York Giants won a Super Bowl without Phil Sims,
I don't remember anyone saying, you know, they're better without
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Phil Sims with Jeff hoss Stetler. No, that's not actually
the case. The Patriots have won a Super Bowl without
Rob Grenkowski. Did anybody say, well, that makes the Patriots
better without Rob Grenkowski? No? No, um. And even in basketball,
even in basketball, the Great Michael Jordan's and I think
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Michael Jordan's the greatest player of all time, the Great
Michael Jordan's the first year when he retired, that was
the year that Scotti Piven refused to go into the
game because Phil Jackson ran a play for Tony ko
coach and COO coach, by the way, made the shot
the ultimate baller move. You do realize that the Bulls
had the best record in the East that year. Did
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that make the Bulls better or you know, somehow underrated
without Jordan's like, no, no, you don't win without having
a really good team. You don't win without having a
really good culture. And I understand what you're gonna say,
and you're gonna see here going, well, look at the
Calves without Lebron James because they're trying to be bad, right, Yeah,
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they sucked this year and tonight they're in the NBA
Draft lottery and they got a great shot of getting
the number one overall pick, but that was because they
wanted to be bad. They scrapped their roster and then
Kevin Love was hurt or excuse me, Kevin Love was
injured and he was hurt, barely played, and it's more
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beneficial to them to lose games. So this whole idea
of of you know, Golden State being just as good
or better or even different, they are different. Now. I
think it's going to be fascinating to see what they
choose to do with the rest of their roster. If
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durant Um doesn't return, Can they build back the strength
in their numbers because some of their players, while super talented,
are getting older, like Andrea Goodala is like they have
to basically not play him much of the regular season
in order to save him, especially with Sean Livingston with
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his knee has been the league for twelve years, but
he seems to be kind of hanging on by a thread.
But we're gonna do this thing tonight. We're gonna play
this game tonight where see Warriors are better without k
They don't need Kevin Durant, Like, yeah they do. They're
playing the Portland Trailblazers, who, by the way, or without
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Nurks they're starting center, And I don't think anyone would
really say they're better without Nurkics. But when given opportunity,
guys can make plays. Guys are guys can step up
and put themselves in position to make plays, and they
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can still achieve great things together. You know, we we
kind of did this whole thing with Carson Wentz and
Nick Foles. Nick Foles won a Super Bowl. Did you
watch Nick Foles when he started to start this year.
The reason Carson Wentz was rushed back into duty wasn't
because they wanted to rush Carson Wentz back into duty.
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It was because Nick Foles wasn't good enough, and ultimately
that gets exposed. Ultimately, the same thing would happen with
the Golden State Warriors. Whether it's over eighty two games
or a couple of NBA Playoffs series. They're gonna need
Kevin Durant. Now. Does the construct of their team change? Sure,
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sure it does, but it also signific It also signifies
um that they're going to need to replace him with
multiple pieces because there's nobody like Kevin Durant. But that's
what we're gonna do tonight to night. It's gonna become
a referendum on whether or not Kevin Durant really is
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the greatest player in the game, because the Warriors will
likely win without him. We're not even gonna factor in
the fact that Portland's playing without their starting center. Portland
just played on Sunday in a game seven in altitude,
didn't even get a chance to go home and grab
new underwear, and now they're playing in what's a bad
team that wants to play fast against the best transition
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team in maybe the history of the NBA, in the
Golden State Wars. It's a terrible matchup for the Blazers.
That's why they've consistently gotten dusted out of the playoffs
by these Warriors, with or without Kevin Durant in the past.
And yet we're gonna do this thing tonight. See let
him go, let him go, let him go. Wait oh
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nat um Okay. The Eagles knew that Carson Wentz was better.
That's why they stuck by Carson Wentz. And that's why
Nick Foles is playing in Jacksonville. And the Warriors know
they're better with Kevin Durant. That's why they said as much.
And you can take in a well, hey, they're thirty
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and four when Katie doesn't play and staff does play. Well.
First of all, when did we ever relate regular season
record to postseason success? We would all agree that in
the regular season the Warriors, when they won seventy three games,
they were a different team in that postseason, right, they
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didn't just they had to come from three games to
one down to beat the Oklahoma City Thunder that year,
remember that. And then of course they gave up a
three games to one lead to the Cleveland Cavaliers. So
even though statistically you'd think by the regular season they
were dominant in the regular season, they were, but it's
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like a different sport. So first, don't take regular of
season records to mean anything about real basketball about postseason basketball. Secondly,
I have no idea who they played, and if you
want me to go back through it, I can point
out the fact that Katie didn't play in a lot
of the games that they were going to win anyway,
it was the Marquee games in which he played and
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market games. You're not gonna have as good a record, duh.
And when guys that aren't normally playing as much that
are rested and are motivated by getting their opportunity, much
like the Boston Celtics of last year, they can play
a little bit above their level for a short period
of time because they want to show the world they're
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better than the backups that they normally are, even if
their backups for a reason. The Patriots weren't better without Gronk,
even though they won without Drunk. The Giants weren't better
without Phil Simms, even though they won without Phil Simms.
The Bulls weren't nearly as good without Jordan's even though
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they won without my They win championship, but they won
regular season games again without Michael Jordan and though the
Warriors one Game seven and it was remarkable. It was
a virtuoso second half, especially fourth quarter by Steph Curry
and Clay Thompson was Game six. Clay, it's like kid
ourselves better with k D. Even though tonight the narrative
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if they win is going to be they don't need him,
embarrassment of riches. Be sure to catch live editions of
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Radio ah app. Tom Havastros an NBA insider for NBC Sports.
Follow him on Twitter at tom Avastrow. He always has
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great stuff, always stuff like the A number or stat
and uh, I just I love his digital content. Um
his latest two pieces about Zie Williamson being the best
UH and NBA prospects since Anthony Davis and the other ones.
About the similarities between Kauai and m j oh Kawai
and m j I'm in I've heard others say the same. Um,
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they're both black, they both have big hands, they both
good at basketball. They both apparently make game winning shots.
Is that where it ends? As their more? Um, there's
more when you talk about defensively. A lot of perimeter
players are really good on the offensive ent, like Steph Curry,
Kobe Bryant, um. But I think when you talk about
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perimeter players who can get you thirty five a night
and also lock down the opposing best score, the list
isn't very long. It's Michael Jordan's and it's Kawhi Leonards
Kobe Bryant, really good defensive player, never wanted Defensive Player
of the Year award, but Kawhi Leonard has two of them.
And you've got to imagine the list of guys who
can do that, defend at a high level and score
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at a high level. Man, it's a very short one. Michael,
in my opinion, it's Michael and Kauai um are are
we look. I know k d doesn't play great defense
the entire time in the regular season, but he has
stepped up before injury. He had stepped up his game.
And if you look at the numbers when James Harden
was trying to score on him, uh, they paled in
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comparison to when when Kevin Durant didn't guard him. Um.
Where where in that list is Kevin Durant in terms
of does he play defense? Does he not? I mean
he plays good defense. Does he play great defense? I
mean I think he can in Spurts, but he's never
been on an all defensive team in his entire career.
So I mean, I think you can say Kevin Durant
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is a good defender, um, and he's done fairly well
against James Harden like you site, but he isn't the
guy who guards James Harden full time. That's Andrea Guadala
And secondly, Clay Thompson is the guy who guards him.
Uh if it's not biggy. So I think in Spurts
he can lock down a defender. But Kawhi Leonard when
he did to Ben Simmons and what he did to
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Lebron James in the finals, I think you can make
the case that no one hits peaks on both end
to the floor quite like Kawhi Leonard, uh outside of
Michael Jordan's. And I know people aren't ready to hear
this because they don't have, you know, signature plays from
Kauai before he hit that game winning shot. He's not
a household name, like kids aren't going to the nearest
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store to get his jersey. But if we're talking about
pure production. Uh Kauai is up there with with Michael
And I know he didn't get number one pick. He
wasn't a lottery pick, he wasn't a guy who came
into the league with a lot of recognition. But man,
it's hard to argue with the fact that he has
scored uh as many points this series against the Philadelphia
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seventies sixers, more points than any any player in a
seven game series since Michael Jordan's So, I mean, that
is incredible when you consider how good he is on
the other end of the floor. No, yeah, yeah, that
then that's the point I tried to make with with
Colin Calherd, my colleague here at Fox, where he said, yeah,
he doesn't make anybody better, Like, well, actually, if you
shut down the other team's best player, you're making your
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team better. There's a lot of different ways in which
you can make your team better. It's not just what
your assist total was, because we just go by how
many assists you have, where you're like, all right, well,
then Russell Westbrook makes everybody better based upon you know,
all those collective stats. There's a there's an entire other
end to to the floor. Tom habit stro joining us
on the Doug Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio, which
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makes the match up with the Milwaukee Bucks even more interesting, right,
because now he's gonna have to shut down Janice, who
is like a He's he's like a bigger version, a
newer version of Kauai Leonard. Right, He's long, he's active now.
He didn't start out as a post player the way
that Kauai did when he was in high school and
early on in college, but still evolving into a point
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guard much the way Kauai is evolving into a perimeter
shooter and player. What do you think of that matchup?
It's gonna be so good. I mean, I can't wait
to watch that, and not just because of Kauai versus, honest,
but you talk about someone who's improved next to Kauai.
Pascal Siakum is such a good player, probably the most
improved player in the NBA. He's six nine, he's super long.
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He really gets after it defensively. So it's not just
gonna be about Kauai guarding j honest, It's gonna be
those two guarding him. And Janice is so effective. He
had more unassisted dunks than any player on record. And
by that I mean just getting the ball at the
top of the key and no one being able to
stop him in route to the rim. He is, you know,
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shock but with Handel, it's incredible what he does. And
if he can stay out of foul trouble and if
he can keep his his turnovers to a minimum. I
think this is the Buck series because they have a
deeper bench. They have Malcolm brock brock in back, and
I think the one thing that the Toronto Raptors didn't
have in that last series, which was really exposed, was
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their bench. Fred van Bleet, Jeremy Lynn, uh, you know,
Sergebaka not a really deep bench, and I think Milwaukee
has that over the Toronto Raptors. I think the Bus
in seven. Yeah, I like the Bucks as one of
the best defensive team in the regular season, best defense
team in the postseason. And I like their bench as well.
And I feel like, um, I feel like, you know,
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VanVleet as great a story as he is, and we
he got a pass a past last year because of injury,
Like it's been a little bit exposed. It's a little
bit above his level. Is that fair? Yeah? And and
look and Lowry too, and Lowry to like, right, Like,
let's be honest, if Kyle Lowry was awesome, they wouldn't
depend on Fred VanVleet to step up in such a
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major way. Yeah, that's absolutely right. And look, Kyle Lowry
is one of those, uh, you know, no stats all
star guys like Shane Battier, where he's not gonna rack
up a ton of box scores stats, but he does
a lot of things like changing taking charges they don't
get picked up in the box score. But he's absolutely
someone who needs to be, you know, at another level
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if they're gonna win this series. And look, you know,
Brook Lopez has to step up. You know, Malcolm Broggen's
coming back from the injury. There are a lot of
question marks on the Buck side. But Janice, you know
in space, Uh, it's gonna be an amazing series to watch.
And I know they're fans were wanting to watch, you know,
Steph Curry and Dame Lillard and k D. Draymond over
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there in the Western Conference. But if you want to
be a basketball hipster, go watch every minute of this
Toronto Milwaukee series because this is what the NBA is
gonna be like in two years dominated by Janice, dominated
by Kauai. That's what the future of the NBA is. Okay,
So that brings us to the draft lottery tonight. Um
I love Zion, Okay, I'm not gonna freak out and
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say he's Lebron. I think he's more Draymond meets Barkley
meets Larry Johnson meets Blake Griffin. Right. Um, I think
the fact that you have to name five people Doug
is so it doesn't that show that he's just so unique,
which is I was. I was on tom I was
on a Cleveland radio station before and they said, is
he the best prospect? I said, no, he's the most unique.
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Like the reason that I mean, he's just he's a
you know, I don't know if the once in a generation,
but yeah, he's He's like Kelly LeBrock in uh in
weird science, right, like if you take little pieces of
all the things you like about all these people, he's
got that. Um Okay. But but then you see a
John Morant, and maybe to a lesser extent in R. J. Barrett,
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but a John Rant who's a dominant you know, though
he's not as big as Kauai or clearly as long
as you honest. He is a six ft four freak
athlete point guard that you feel like you give him
the ball and he'll create something for himself or for others.
Isn't he more likely to lead a franchise than a
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guy who, though super super unique, I'm not sure that
he's a ball dominant guy like I almost feel like
Zion is better with a really good team, whereas Jabs
better to build a team around. I do think this
is a two player draft. I'm not a fan of RJ. Barrett,
not a fan of Cam Rage. I know he's he
would had a much bigger reputation coming into this year.
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But for r J. Barrett, I just can't get behind
a guy who struggles from the free throw, a shooting
guard who struggles at the free throw line and three
point line. If you're gonna be a high volume score
in in the NBA, you need to be efficient. And
he's not efficient at the free throw line, which is
beyond me um and the three points the three point line,
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and those are two big question marks from me in
here at Duke, and I don't think he proved himself
at that level. But I love John Morant. I love
Zion Williamson. But you're talking about a guy who, yes,
there is no script here, there is no precedent for
for Zion Williamson. I think that makes it hard for
US Doug to project him going forward because you can't
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lean on Blake Griffin, you can't lean on Lebron, you
can't lean on Charles Barkley and say that's his trajectory.
So you know, I just did a big number of
video that I just published on my Twitter feed, and
it pointed out that Zion has the highest player efficiency
rating since Anthony Davis, and actually higher than Anthony Davis
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forty forty eight p R, which is higher than Anthony Davis,
higher than DeMarcus Cousins, higher than any power five player
coming into the NBA over the last decade. So productivity wise,
he's better than Anthony Davis, better than DeMarcus Cousins with
a jump shot, much better assistory. I think people are
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so surprised watching the n C Double A tournament at
how good he is handling the ball and making passes.
And I think he's already a step above Anthony Davis
and booking Cousins coming into the league. The top PROSPSS
big man process coming into legal over the last decade.
I love Zion Williamson's potential at the NBA level. All right,
let's let's get to the rocket of this rockets. The
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Warriors taken on the Portland Trailblazers. You know how this works,
the the KD haters or the people that that don't like, uh,
this juggernaut of a team. They win tonight other without
Kevin Durant. Do you think they're actually better without Kevin Durant.
I don't think they're better. Um, I think they're as good,
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you know, at basketball, as you know, it's a team sport,
and some players, despite a lot of big numbers, or
despite big scoring numbers, the fit and the chemistry with
your teammates and the style of play it matters. I'm
not gonna sit here and say Kevin Durant was one
of the best players of all time is making them
a worst team. But I talked to Steve Kurry the
other night after they won the series against Houston, pulled
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him aside and said, you know, does this team look
different to you? And he said, well, it gets back
to the twenty sixteen years um without Kevin Durant gets
back to that seventy three win team. But he knew
going into that game that the Warriors are thirteen and
four when KD fits and Steph plays. It's a stat
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that he brought up, unprompted and volunteered to me, saying,
you know what, I know how good this team is
without Kevin Durant thirty and four. So I know that
it's not necessarily they're better without Kevin Durant, but they're
so good with Clay Thompson and and Draymond Green and
Steph Curry running the show that I think it's gonna
be just as hard for Portland to win these games
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here without Kevin Durant. They're that good when he's not
playing because it's a different style of basketball and it's
got deep Curry the most efficient score of all times
in the ball was in his hands for more possessions.
Does Frank Vogel work with Lebron James? I don't know.
Is that a question? Is that a loaded question? Doug, like,
does he actually coachs Lebronson? Because I don't know. You know,
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I was talking to TMU the other night when there
are games seven between the Sixers and and Raptors, and
I was asking them what they thought about the Sixers offseason,
and one GM told me, don't be surprised if their
talks between the seventy Sixers and the Lakers for Lebron James,
because of the fact that Ben Simmons is on a
much longer trajectory in terms of potential. He doesn't have
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a jump shot yet. And if you're the Josh Harris,
the owner of the Philadelphia seventy six you get impatient
and try to strike a deal now to pair Duellmbid
with Lebron and j J. Reddick and try to load
up for a championship run. Or do you wait for
Ben Simmons to develop that chump shot. And that's a question.
I don't know if it's going to happen, but a
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lot of people around the league are very interested to
see what the Sixers do, especially when it comes to
Lebron James, because that that situation in Lakerland is not good.
It's not I agree, but I also think there's the
reality of Lebron James just moved to Los Angeles, his
families here. I just don't see him picking up and
moving to Philadelphia. I just don't see like there's a
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reason they want we have to. He would have to.
He he doesn't have a no trade clause. It's not
his call. I understand. I understand, but we also know
the way in which this business works. If he doesn't
want to go, he just says he's not going, right, Like,
you can trade for whoever you want. I'm just not going.
Like that's the reality of at his his stature in
the end be a you go like, hey, what do
you think, Like, I'm not going. You can, you can
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trade you everyone. I'm just not going. And I do
think that's a that's a legit reality. Yeah, And and
you know what, this year it didn't go well for him,
So maybe there's a little bit of humility about the
situation there with the Lakers and Magic stepping down and
they're striking out on Tylou and Monty Williams and whoever
they tried to look at and ended up with Frank Vogel.
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I like Frank Vogel. He's a good coach. Um. I
think he got a you know, I think it was
a disappointing tenure there in Orlando, But man, I was
covering those mighty heat teams against Indiana, and they had
a lot of respect for Frank Vogel. But I just
don't know if he's the type of coach right now,
um who's ready to take this Lakers team to the
next level. So we'll see, but I just don't think
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it's a great fit. I much prefer to see Frank
bog get another shot with an emerging team, not one
with Lebron James. No, it's a it's a hard it's
a hard, hard, hard hard deal. Um our hard deal. Um. Okay.
The thought is that at the end of this kd
ends up in New York. Should he want to play
with Kyrie Irving? I don't think so. I think with
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that market, that media market, the fact that both guys
have a tendency to play ice ball at the cost
of the rest of the team. Um, I don't. I
don't think that's a good fit. Um. You know, Kyrie
Irving in Boston, everyone thought that it was gonna be
such an easy, easy situation for him to come in
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with Gordon Hayward. It gets to the Eastern Finals without him,
just imagine what they would do with Kyrie and Gordon Hayward.
But in fact, there it passes per game dropped by
sporty this this postseason, dropped from three twenty to two
eighty from last year to this year. Passes per game.
The ball stuck in his hands a lot more. And
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I just don't think that's a good fit for Kevin Durant.
It would seem like those would be two silos, you know,
not working together. Um. And I'd imagine that that's just
not gonna fly in New York if they do not
optimize each other, if they don't make each other better.
I got to imagine that Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant
are gonna get a lot of heat there in that market.
And I just don't know, if you know, the way
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we know he's very sensitive to the media, very sensitive
to criticism. I just don't see it working there in
New York, especially with Kyrie, where every one in the
league wonders what he's thinking minute by minute, you know,
day by day, it changes. Great stuff. Tom, Tommy actually
John Tom have Astrow from NBC Sports Fallum on Twitter
at Tom It's h A B E R S t
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R O H. Tom, thanks for joining us on Fox
Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live editions so the
Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays in noon eastern three pm Pacific.
If I had no insight at all into the Boston
Celtics and what went wrong, it's subtraction by addition, like
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too big name players kind of ruffled the egos of
others and others roughly egals of the star players. First,
you have Gordon Hayward, who was the prize get two
years ago in free agency, who unfortunately broke his ankle
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in the first two minutes of his first game as
a Boston Celtic. He was coming back, he was getting
minutes he probably didn't deserve, as they were playing the
long game as opposed to the short game. So that's
also taking away from somebody else's minutes. And and there's
just the emotional toll it takes when you're watching a
guy get minutes that you don't think he necessarily has earned.
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And then there's Kyrie Irving, who needs the ball, plays
his own, plays kind of his own way and um
and isn't always somebody who moves the basketball who lets
others create. He's good enough to do it on his own.
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And you would think that might ruffle the feathers of
Terry Rogier, who took his minutes when he was out
for the playoffs, and of other players because they got
the ball less as they waited for Rosier to create more,
as they waited for Irving to create more and it
didn't happen. Here's Terry Rosier earlier today when asked if
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he would return to Boston with the current roster. Might
I might. I might have to go. I might have
to go. I put it with with a lot this year. So, uh,
you know, I said what I said after season. I
think we all know that I won't. I'm not trying
to step in into that again. Mm hmm. He's saying
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he sacrificed moch was another tweet, another quote that he
had after the season was over. Here's Terry Rogier on
who's the blame for the team underachieving. I feel like
it's a little bit of both. I feel like that
along with the with the coaches, you know, UM treating
Gordon and and and Kyrie. I want to say different
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than everybody else, but you know, I feel like they
just treat him like they was on that level where
there were no justaments that could be made because they
are who they are and we never figured it out.
We never figured it out after that. M hm. So
he puts the blame all across the board. But if
you listen to the way he says what he says,
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he was unhappy with this role, and look, lots of
bench guys are unhappy with their role. And I'm sure
that on some level he knows if everybody comes back,
they can't afford to keep him anyway. So the idea
that Terry Rogier thinks he's a starter when most people
in league don't think he's a starter, that's not groundbreaking stuff,
but it does paint the picture that the Boston Celtics
(29:51):
are exactly well who they We thought they were right
a talented team, but she had young guys in Tatum
and Rosier who had been gassed up the media thinking
they were better than they were, and their ego was
hard to keep in check. You had, you know, Brad Stevens,
who's stuck between, you know, playing a superstar or a
(30:12):
star player who's not quite healthy and a superstar player
who might not be all that bought into making everybody
else better. And then you have Kyrie Irving constantly trying
to prove himself, Hey, we're really better with me and
then you have Gordon Hayward who's not as good but
trying to improve and trying to just continue to improve
(30:35):
on the way on the way there. So I get
all of that. Basically, the Boston Celtics are exactly who
we thought they were, and it's one of those teams
where chemistry doesn't. Like all teams, chemistry does matter, and
it doesn't mean you have to like your role, but
it's pretty obvious Terry Rogier was not bought into his role.
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He was not about being a star player in his role.
He wanted Kyrie's role. He still wants Kyrie's role, even
though no one thinks to this point he's proven to
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listen live. The book is Kevin Ranch Relentless Pursuit to
Be the Greatest k D. It's written by Marcus Thompson,
the second best selling author, and he joins us now
on the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. UM,
not your first book, as we've to mention your best
y k D. The honest answer. I mean, I can't
(31:40):
give you the the non honest answer because the people
who were paying me one at Kadi, they were like,
we have money and we want a Katie book. You
want to write it. I was like, let's go, let's
do it. When did you start? Uh? In earnest I
would say, probably like March last year? Yeah yeah yeah,
Mark of the Actress, Sorry, it was it was due. Uh.
(32:01):
I turned it in October November, like six months. That's good.
That's good, that's good work. Okay. So um, you had
obviously covered the warriors. He had written a book about Steph,
so you knew kind of the landscape. But what was
different about what's different about k D the Dude than
you thought before you started writing a book about k
(32:24):
D the Dude? Well, number one, His his life was
so drastically different this death right. It was just I
mean it's night and day. Uh. His but his was
a lot like mine, Like there were a lot of similarity,
So it was definitely more Uh, it was more touchy
feely for me, like personally like experiencing it and kind
of understanding what he went through because it was there
(32:46):
were just so many similarities, like like like the you know,
growing up in poverty, having death, like ravage of life,
like you know, dealing with you know, parents that are
not around, you know, that type of thing. I could
relate to what he was, to what he went through,
and I didn't. I didn't. I didn't really catch that
vibe with step because you know, he had a very
(33:08):
ideal situation. So it was like getting getting to Katie's
story just knowing you got to navigate that pain. What
was much different. You got to figure out a way
to talk to ask about hard stuff like like like
death and somebody dying, right, So that that was different. Um,
he's a lot more talkative and and friendly behind the
(33:30):
scenes than I think people know. He's He's very chill.
He's very easy to get along with, Like you know,
he's an ultimate like good dudes. You know, he asked
about your family. He'll have a conversation with you about
just about anything, and you know, then he'll get on
the podium and he'll go at you, right, but there's
times he's like, come at me on the podium and
then afterwards we'll chat about whatever. So he was he
(33:52):
was definitely personable, Uh throughout the process. Why do you
leave Oklahoma City? Why do you really leave? I think
it was a confluence of things, right. I don't think
it was one thing. I think it had to do
with he But I think the overwriting thing was he
felt like there was a greater relevance for him, right,
instead of like almost like being mired in the the
(34:16):
stuff that is that that was the franchise that didn't
have enough money, that always had a reason to fail.
I think there was a part of him that just
wanted more, something bigger, like something greater, and he saw
a chance to make history. And there's a lot of
little stuff. Teammates, the quality of his teammates, you know,
the chance to be his own man, like, all of
that was in there. But just knowing his story, I mean,
(34:40):
the dude has just been like on this trajectory anyway.
So it felt like it was almost natural and out
of his hands, you know. It's it's fascinating. I think
I think his and and this is again I'm kind
of been tipped off by other people who know him,
and that like part of it was just, hey, look, man,
i think I'm the best player on earth. And the
only way to do that, to show that is to
(35:02):
play against Lebron in the finals and to get kind
of the space to get him one on one where
I can show everybody I'm better than him. And he
actually did that two consecutive years and then didn't feel
like he anybody said like, hey, you know what, that
guy is actually better and that's what's caused some of
this kind of defensiveness towards the media and at times
(35:23):
towards fans. That is that Is that a fair representation? No,
no question, I agree with that. I do think like
that's what I was saying, Like he He's like, Yo,
I'm at the top of this thing here and everybody
kind of needs to see this, right, and it doesn't
feel like I can get there from here. So I
do feel like that's exactly why he went. And after
(35:44):
he did that, like he didn't get the respect that
he probably thought he was getting because he clearly I'll
play Lebron and still was like, oh but this, and
oh but that. The I part though, is I actually
think it's coming now. Yes, I know That's what I've
been saying. Marcus Marcus Thompson Joe Us. His new book
is called k D. Kevin Durant's relentless pursued to be
the greatest. What's crazy about it is now everybody's like, hey,
(36:06):
you know what, the best player is Kevin Durant, And
now he wants to Now he's like, I already kind
of like got one foot out the door. You see,
That's what I'm that. That's that's what makes it interesting, right,
that's the plot twist, like out of nowhere, almost right.
First he had the little Patrick Beverley thing and I'm
Kevin Durant, you know who I am? And then since
then it's been like, oh, man, this dude the grade
he's drop fifty. Steph Curry is calling him the best
(36:28):
player in the world, right, Draymond Green is calling him
our leader. Their chant for him m v P in
the Bay Area like Bay Area loves He's Steph Curry.
Fans are saying, man, his dude, it's the best player
on the team. And now it's like all of a sudden,
out of nowhere, everything that he felt like he deserved
and probably did deserve is happening. How does that impact
the decision? Now, Like that's not nothing. I don't think.
(36:50):
I don't thinkure out that. Did you print the book
deserve for a sequel, Marcus Thompson joining us here on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. Um, I likened him a little
bit too Kareem. Now, obviously I think off camera he's
more personable than Kareem. But he's crazy, crazy bright. But
he also and I think some of it is his size,
(37:12):
Like I don't know if he's really seven feet tall,
isn't he? And I don't know people who know this.
He's listed at six ft nine, and Kareem used to
have a lot of trouble with, you know, people saying
he was seven ft two, Like he just there's a
certain awkwardness to it, and kind of similar to Kareem,
Like Kareem six time m v P, six time champion,
and no one mentions Kareem as the greatest player of
(37:32):
all time. You know, he scored more points than anybody
has ever played in the game. Like there's a little
bit of Kareem there in terms of like social he's
so bright, yet still awkward in some social settings, and
and and really is adamant about making sure you don't
attribute his greatness to like this genetic anomaly, right, Like
(37:53):
it's like, yo, I'm this good because I'm this good,
not because I'm tall, and I do think there's some
similarities there and from what I know about Kareem, and
I was a little bit before my time, at least
the height of his career, but Kareema seemed feels like
a guy who just feels a lot, right that all
the things you read about him, like like he hurts
and you know what I'm saying, that he gets happy
(38:15):
and like he feels what's happening in the world, what's
happening out there. I think that's a great correlation because Durant,
that's one thing I learned about him, Like he feels
stuff like and he's open about it, like you know,
like he gets all sappy about basketball and team play
and and benches players playing where were Like, he's sappy
(38:36):
about that stuff, like he feels it. And you know,
he gets mad when people are calling him out and
and and criticize him. He wants to fire back. There's
a real, like kind of human quality that you can
that I can pick up from Kareem by reading about him,
and also can see in Kevin Durant and maybe the
modern day like millennial social media guy can kind of
(38:58):
still communicate through that and it felt like maybe Kareem
didn't know how to communicate through that or didn't feel
like anybody could connect with him that way. But he
definitely felt like somebody who feels a lot and it
matters to him, and and he was very human in
that way. Okay, explaining to me the rich Climate thing
like that. I I understand that their their business partners.
(39:19):
I understand that he's had him invest in all these things,
but it is kind of a weird relationship, right, Like
k D. Lebron has all the guys he grew up
around kind of around him and he's kind of lifted
them up and now they have big time jobs, Whereas
this is somebody that k D has come to know
and now they are close like brothers, even though they're
(39:42):
from really different backgrounds. And I'm not sure most people
in the league, uh love that love the idea of
that relationship. What have you come to learn of it?
It's it's as weird as you think it is, right,
it's as unlikely as you think it is. I think
that the connection is that rich Climan is from a
hip hop background and Katie is a hip hop head. Right.
(40:03):
You know, he signed with Rock Nation he's a big
jay Z fan and that's where that's where Rich Climbing
comes from. And they he had a friend from where
he grew up, a rapper named wile A that Rich
Climbing managed, So they kind of have that. I do
think it's a bit of you know, right place, right time,
And there was a moment, there was a part in
(40:23):
Kevin Durant's career where he went from like young, like
Oklahoma City dude too all right, let's transition into star
right into into a superstar with with brand and Mogul aspirations,
and Rich was part of that. It is very weird.
I wonder. I definitely wondered throughout this process. And one
of my questions was, how did he get this spot?
(40:45):
Like there could have been a million people lined up
who want to be this for Kevin Durant? Why Rich Climbing.
And I do think like Rich Climbing came along at
the right time, at this transitional period in Katie's life
and and and Katie is a very loyal guy. And
if you get to him like you got him like that,
that's how he is. He's really like like Quinn Cook
(41:06):
is his best friend right on the in the Warriors
locker room because they got this DC, this Prince George's
County connection. Like once he wants you with k D,
he with you. And I think Rich you know, proved
worthy to earn that respect from KD. Is he the yoko?
Though for for the Golden State Warriors it could be? Right,
(41:27):
This is gonna be interesting because rich Climate is like
juggling all these options, and really that's what we're talking about.
Is Katie part of the perk of being where he
is that he gets options, right, whether it's standard the
Warriors or going to the Knicks or Brooklyn or the Clippers.
And rich Climate has got to manage this, I think
right now. And you know, the move. We can question
(41:48):
the move to the Warriors, right but in the end
it seems like it kind of works for the end game.
But I think right now rich is on the clock
on this one. Like what he does next, I feel
like it's going to determine like richest value in in
this league, in this industry that he's in that he
never he didn't start in, but now he's trying to
be a major player and if he if he pulls
(42:10):
it off, hey he's a player now. He's one of
He's one of the ones. But if he doesn't, I
don't know that's gonna be tough. Last thing likelihood Katie
plays in this series. What's the like of Hill Portland
wins the game. I don't. I don't think he plays
until they lose. That's what That's what I really think.
I don't think he's playing the first two games. And
(42:31):
if they're up two, oh, they're not playing them in
game three. And then if they're up three, oh, there's
just no need to play him because he's still hurting.
His cap is still bothering them, and I don't think
they're gonna put him out there in pain unless they
have to. So it really comes down to can Dame
get hot one game in Oracle one time for for
Oakland and you know, give us a one last memory
(42:51):
from a town dude in Oracle Arena in Oakland. Yeah? No,
I mean that's there's a lot to it, right with
with with him coming back home with the Curry family
and then then playing you know, the thirty one in
four record now without without without Kevin Durant. Last thing
Marcus Marcus Thompson wrote the book k D. Good Dude,
Uh great dude, good dude or kind of different dude.
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How would you if somebody asked you, how would you
describe Kevin Durant? Probably all of the above. That's what
makes him like, That's what makes him like such this
multifacet individual, Like there are some things Katie does that
are like and and nobody even knows, but it's like, Yo,
that was like the coolest thing ever. And the people
he can you give me one? Can you give me one?
Real quick? Man? He just random, Like there's one there's
(43:35):
a kid who's like basically in the hospital dying, and
Kadi sees a twite, a tweet online that the dude
was a fan, and he goes to the hospital and
surprises him and shows up at his party, Like that's
like who does that? Right? Just off Twitter? And that
dude and that family would say he's a great dude, right,
And then there's some people who say, man, he's a
(43:56):
good dude. I like hanging with him. And then there's
some people who will say, oh, this is a hard fella.
He is difficult. So I think what makes him unique
is that he's all of it, and he's perfectly willing
to be all of it Instead of trying to be
some kind of pr concoction which I actually respect. Actually
I do, I do too. The book is k D
pick it up. Thanks so much for join us, Marcus,
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Ryan Music devastated by this. Well, this is a great
question because it actually relates to our opening segment, which is,
can Gottlieb do a show without coffee? Which is a
lot like can the Warriors win the series without Kevin Durant?
Don't believe me here' Steve Kerr yesterday, when asked about
(01:54):
the possibility of Durant playing in games one or two.
I think everyone needs to slow down a little bit,
like Kevin stuff. He hasn't even stepped on the floor yet,
so you know, we've we've tried to remain somewhat vague
because that the injury is really, uh, sort of open
ended in terms of how long he's gonna need to recover.
(02:16):
But I think in doing so, uh, maybe people have
gotten the idea that he's gonna come back and you
will be Willis Reid or something. Yeah. And by the way,
Willis Reid didn't actually play well when he came limping
into the NBA Finals. Thank you Ryan Music. Yeah, that's
that's bad. Can Godley do a show without coffee? Yes?
Can the Warriors win without Durant? Yes? Does that make
(02:39):
them better without Durant? No? Does that make this show
better without coffee? The answer is no. I think our
segments done here. We can almost roll the break, right, Ramos.
We do this all the time though, right, Like the
New York Giants won a Super Bowl without Phil Sims,
I don't remember anyone saying, you know, they're better without
(03:01):
Phil Sims with Jeff hoss Stetler. No, that's not actually
the case. The Patriots have won a Super Bowl without
Rob Grenkowski. Did anybody say, well, that makes the Patriots
better without Rob Grenkowski? No? No, um. And even in basketball,
even in basketball, the Great Michael Jordan's and I think
(03:26):
Michael Jordan's the greatest player of all time, the Great
Michael Jordan's the first year when he retired, that was
the year that Scotti Piven refused to go into the
game because Phil Jackson ran a play for Tony ko
coach and COO coach, by the way, made the shot
the ultimate baller move. You do realize that the Bulls
had the best record in the East that year. Did
(03:47):
that make the Bulls better or you know, somehow underrated
without Jordan's like, no, no, you don't win without having
a really good team. You don't win without having a
really good culture. And I understand what you're gonna say,
and you're gonna see here going, well, look at the
Calves without Lebron James because they're trying to be bad, right, Yeah,
(04:10):
they sucked this year and tonight they're in the NBA
Draft lottery and they got a great shot of getting
the number one overall pick, but that was because they
wanted to be bad. They scrapped their roster and then
Kevin Love was hurt or excuse me, Kevin Love was
injured and he was hurt, barely played, and it's more
(04:31):
beneficial to them to lose games. So this whole idea
of of you know, Golden State being just as good
or better or even different, they are different. Now. I
think it's going to be fascinating to see what they
choose to do with the rest of their roster. If
(04:53):
durant Um doesn't return, Can they build back the strength
in their numbers because some of their players, while super talented,
are getting older, like Andrea Goodala is like they have
to basically not play him much of the regular season
in order to save him, especially with Sean Livingston with
(05:15):
his knee has been the league for twelve years, but
he seems to be kind of hanging on by a thread.
But we're gonna do this thing tonight. We're gonna play
this game tonight where see Warriors are better without k
They don't need Kevin Durant, Like, yeah they do. They're
playing the Portland Trailblazers, who, by the way, or without
(05:37):
Nurks they're starting center, And I don't think anyone would
really say they're better without Nurkics. But when given opportunity,
guys can make plays. Guys are guys can step up
and put themselves in position to make plays, and they
(05:57):
can still achieve great things together. You know, we we
kind of did this whole thing with Carson Wentz and
Nick Foles. Nick Foles won a Super Bowl. Did you
watch Nick Foles when he started to start this year.
The reason Carson Wentz was rushed back into duty wasn't
because they wanted to rush Carson Wentz back into duty.
(06:20):
It was because Nick Foles wasn't good enough, and ultimately
that gets exposed. Ultimately, the same thing would happen with
the Golden State Warriors. Whether it's over eighty two games
or a couple of NBA Playoffs series. They're gonna need
Kevin Durant. Now. Does the construct of their team change? Sure,
(06:43):
sure it does, but it also signific It also signifies
um that they're going to need to replace him with
multiple pieces because there's nobody like Kevin Durant. But that's
what we're gonna do tonight to night. It's gonna become
a referendum on whether or not Kevin Durant really is
(07:04):
the greatest player in the game, because the Warriors will
likely win without him. We're not even gonna factor in
the fact that Portland's playing without their starting center. Portland
just played on Sunday in a game seven in altitude,
didn't even get a chance to go home and grab
new underwear, and now they're playing in what's a bad
team that wants to play fast against the best transition
(07:25):
team in maybe the history of the NBA, in the
Golden State Wars. It's a terrible matchup for the Blazers.
That's why they've consistently gotten dusted out of the playoffs
by these Warriors, with or without Kevin Durant in the past.
And yet we're gonna do this thing tonight. See let
him go, let him go, let him go. Wait oh
(07:47):
nat um Okay. The Eagles knew that Carson Wentz was better.
That's why they stuck by Carson Wentz. And that's why
Nick Foles is playing in Jacksonville. And the Warriors know
they're better with Kevin Durant. That's why they said as much.
And you can take in a well, hey, they're thirty
(08:11):
and four when Katie doesn't play and staff does play. Well.
First of all, when did we ever relate regular season
record to postseason success? We would all agree that in
the regular season the Warriors, when they won seventy three games,
they were a different team in that postseason, right, they
(08:34):
didn't just they had to come from three games to
one down to beat the Oklahoma City Thunder that year,
remember that. And then of course they gave up a
three games to one lead to the Cleveland Cavaliers. So
even though statistically you'd think by the regular season they
were dominant in the regular season, they were, but it's
(08:55):
like a different sport. So first, don't take regular of
season records to mean anything about real basketball about postseason basketball. Secondly,
I have no idea who they played, and if you
want me to go back through it, I can point
out the fact that Katie didn't play in a lot
of the games that they were going to win anyway,
it was the Marquee games in which he played and
(09:16):
market games. You're not gonna have as good a record, duh.
And when guys that aren't normally playing as much that
are rested and are motivated by getting their opportunity, much
like the Boston Celtics of last year, they can play
a little bit above their level for a short period
of time because they want to show the world they're
(09:38):
better than the backups that they normally are, even if
their backups for a reason. The Patriots weren't better without Gronk,
even though they won without Drunk. The Giants weren't better
without Phil Simms, even though they won without Phil Simms.
The Bulls weren't nearly as good without Jordan's even though
(10:00):
they won without my They win championship, but they won
regular season games again without Michael Jordan and though the
Warriors one Game seven and it was remarkable. It was
a virtuoso second half, especially fourth quarter by Steph Curry
and Clay Thompson was Game six. Clay, it's like kid
ourselves better with k D. Even though tonight the narrative
(10:24):
if they win is going to be they don't need him,
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(10:45):
great stuff, always stuff like the A number or stat
and uh, I just I love his digital content. Um
his latest two pieces about Zie Williamson being the best
UH and NBA prospects since Anthony Davis and the other ones.
About the similarities between Kauai and m j oh Kawai
and m j I'm in I've heard others say the same. Um,
(11:08):
they're both black, they both have big hands, they both
good at basketball. They both apparently make game winning shots.
Is that where it ends? As their more? Um, there's
more when you talk about defensively. A lot of perimeter
players are really good on the offensive ent, like Steph Curry,
Kobe Bryant, um. But I think when you talk about
(11:28):
perimeter players who can get you thirty five a night
and also lock down the opposing best score, the list
isn't very long. It's Michael Jordan's and it's Kawhi Leonards
Kobe Bryant, really good defensive player, never wanted Defensive Player
of the Year award, but Kawhi Leonard has two of them.
And you've got to imagine the list of guys who
can do that, defend at a high level and score
(11:51):
at a high level. Man, it's a very short one. Michael,
in my opinion, it's Michael and Kauai um are are
we look. I know k d doesn't play great defense
the entire time in the regular season, but he has
stepped up before injury. He had stepped up his game.
And if you look at the numbers when James Harden
was trying to score on him, uh, they paled in
(12:12):
comparison to when when Kevin Durant didn't guard him. Um.
Where where in that list is Kevin Durant in terms
of does he play defense? Does he not? I mean
he plays good defense. Does he play great defense? I
mean I think he can in Spurts, but he's never
been on an all defensive team in his entire career.
So I mean, I think you can say Kevin Durant
(12:34):
is a good defender, um, and he's done fairly well
against James Harden like you site, but he isn't the
guy who guards James Harden full time. That's Andrea Guadala
And secondly, Clay Thompson is the guy who guards him.
Uh if it's not biggy. So I think in Spurts
he can lock down a defender. But Kawhi Leonard when
he did to Ben Simmons and what he did to
(12:54):
Lebron James in the finals, I think you can make
the case that no one hits peaks on both end
to the floor quite like Kawhi Leonard, uh outside of
Michael Jordan's. And I know people aren't ready to hear
this because they don't have, you know, signature plays from
Kauai before he hit that game winning shot. He's not
a household name, like kids aren't going to the nearest
(13:17):
store to get his jersey. But if we're talking about
pure production. Uh Kauai is up there with with Michael
And I know he didn't get number one pick. He
wasn't a lottery pick, he wasn't a guy who came
into the league with a lot of recognition. But man,
it's hard to argue with the fact that he has
scored uh as many points this series against the Philadelphia
(13:38):
seventies sixers, more points than any any player in a
seven game series since Michael Jordan's So, I mean, that
is incredible when you consider how good he is on
the other end of the floor. No, yeah, yeah, that
then that's the point I tried to make with with
Colin Calherd, my colleague here at Fox, where he said, yeah,
he doesn't make anybody better, Like, well, actually, if you
shut down the other team's best player, you're making your
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team better. There's a lot of different ways in which
you can make your team better. It's not just what
your assist total was, because we just go by how
many assists you have, where you're like, all right, well,
then Russell Westbrook makes everybody better based upon you know,
all those collective stats. There's a there's an entire other
end to to the floor. Tom habit stro joining us
on the Doug Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio, which
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makes the match up with the Milwaukee Bucks even more interesting, right,
because now he's gonna have to shut down Janice, who
is like a He's he's like a bigger version, a
newer version of Kauai Leonard. Right, He's long, he's active now.
He didn't start out as a post player the way
that Kauai did when he was in high school and
early on in college, but still evolving into a point
(14:44):
guard much the way Kauai is evolving into a perimeter
shooter and player. What do you think of that matchup?
It's gonna be so good. I mean, I can't wait
to watch that, and not just because of Kauai versus, honest,
but you talk about someone who's improved next to Kauai.
Pascal Siakum is such a good player, probably the most
improved player in the NBA. He's six nine, he's super long.
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He really gets after it defensively. So it's not just
gonna be about Kauai guarding j honest, It's gonna be
those two guarding him. And Janice is so effective. He
had more unassisted dunks than any player on record. And
by that I mean just getting the ball at the
top of the key and no one being able to
stop him in route to the rim. He is, you know,
(15:28):
shock but with Handel, it's incredible what he does. And
if he can stay out of foul trouble and if
he can keep his his turnovers to a minimum. I
think this is the Buck series because they have a
deeper bench. They have Malcolm brock brock in back, and
I think the one thing that the Toronto Raptors didn't
have in that last series, which was really exposed, was
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their bench. Fred van Bleet, Jeremy Lynn, uh, you know,
Sergebaka not a really deep bench, and I think Milwaukee
has that over the Toronto Raptors. I think the Bus
in seven. Yeah, I like the Bucks as one of
the best defensive team in the regular season, best defense
team in the postseason. And I like their bench as well.
And I feel like, um, I feel like, you know,
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VanVleet as great a story as he is, and we
he got a pass a past last year because of injury,
Like it's been a little bit exposed. It's a little
bit above his level. Is that fair? Yeah? And and
look and Lowry too, and Lowry to like, right, Like,
let's be honest, if Kyle Lowry was awesome, they wouldn't
depend on Fred VanVleet to step up in such a
(16:31):
major way. Yeah, that's absolutely right. And look, Kyle Lowry
is one of those, uh, you know, no stats all
star guys like Shane Battier, where he's not gonna rack
up a ton of box scores stats, but he does
a lot of things like changing taking charges they don't
get picked up in the box score. But he's absolutely
someone who needs to be, you know, at another level
(16:53):
if they're gonna win this series. And look, you know,
Brook Lopez has to step up. You know, Malcolm Broggen's
coming back from the injury. There are a lot of
question marks on the Buck side. But Janice, you know
in space, Uh, it's gonna be an amazing series to watch.
And I know they're fans were wanting to watch, you know,
Steph Curry and Dame Lillard and k D. Draymond over
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there in the Western Conference. But if you want to
be a basketball hipster, go watch every minute of this
Toronto Milwaukee series because this is what the NBA is
gonna be like in two years dominated by Janice, dominated
by Kauai. That's what the future of the NBA is. Okay,
So that brings us to the draft lottery tonight. Um
I love Zion, Okay, I'm not gonna freak out and
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say he's Lebron. I think he's more Draymond meets Barkley
meets Larry Johnson meets Blake Griffin. Right. Um, I think
the fact that you have to name five people Doug
is so it doesn't that show that he's just so unique,
which is I was. I was on tom I was
on a Cleveland radio station before and they said, is
he the best prospect? I said, no, he's the most unique.
(17:58):
Like the reason that I mean, he's just he's a
you know, I don't know if the once in a generation,
but yeah, he's He's like Kelly LeBrock in uh in
weird science, right, like if you take little pieces of
all the things you like about all these people, he's
got that. Um Okay. But but then you see a
John Morant, and maybe to a lesser extent in R. J. Barrett,
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but a John Rant who's a dominant you know, though
he's not as big as Kauai or clearly as long
as you honest. He is a six ft four freak
athlete point guard that you feel like you give him
the ball and he'll create something for himself or for others.
Isn't he more likely to lead a franchise than a
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guy who, though super super unique, I'm not sure that
he's a ball dominant guy like I almost feel like
Zion is better with a really good team, whereas Jabs
better to build a team around. I do think this
is a two player draft. I'm not a fan of RJ. Barrett,
not a fan of Cam Rage. I know he's he
would had a much bigger reputation coming into this year.
(19:03):
But for r J. Barrett, I just can't get behind
a guy who struggles from the free throw, a shooting
guard who struggles at the free throw line and three
point line. If you're gonna be a high volume score
in in the NBA, you need to be efficient. And
he's not efficient at the free throw line, which is
beyond me um and the three points the three point line,
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and those are two big question marks from me in
here at Duke, and I don't think he proved himself
at that level. But I love John Morant. I love
Zion Williamson. But you're talking about a guy who, yes,
there is no script here, there is no precedent for
for Zion Williamson. I think that makes it hard for
US Doug to project him going forward because you can't
(19:44):
lean on Blake Griffin, you can't lean on Lebron, you
can't lean on Charles Barkley and say that's his trajectory.
So you know, I just did a big number of
video that I just published on my Twitter feed, and
it pointed out that Zion has the highest player efficiency
rating since Anthony Davis, and actually higher than Anthony Davis
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forty forty eight p R, which is higher than Anthony Davis,
higher than DeMarcus Cousins, higher than any power five player
coming into the NBA over the last decade. So productivity wise,
he's better than Anthony Davis, better than DeMarcus Cousins with
a jump shot, much better assistory. I think people are
(20:24):
so surprised watching the n C Double A tournament at
how good he is handling the ball and making passes.
And I think he's already a step above Anthony Davis
and booking Cousins coming into the league. The top PROSPSS
big man process coming into legal over the last decade.
I love Zion Williamson's potential at the NBA level. All right,
let's let's get to the rocket of this rockets. The
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Warriors taken on the Portland Trailblazers. You know how this works,
the the KD haters or the people that that don't like, uh,
this juggernaut of a team. They win tonight other without
Kevin Durant. Do you think they're actually better without Kevin Durant.
I don't think they're better. Um, I think they're as good,
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you know, at basketball, as you know, it's a team sport,
and some players, despite a lot of big numbers, or
despite big scoring numbers, the fit and the chemistry with
your teammates and the style of play it matters. I'm
not gonna sit here and say Kevin Durant was one
of the best players of all time is making them
a worst team. But I talked to Steve Kurry the
other night after they won the series against Houston, pulled
(21:30):
him aside and said, you know, does this team look
different to you? And he said, well, it gets back
to the twenty sixteen years um without Kevin Durant gets
back to that seventy three win team. But he knew
going into that game that the Warriors are thirteen and
four when KD fits and Steph plays. It's a stat
(21:51):
that he brought up, unprompted and volunteered to me, saying,
you know what, I know how good this team is
without Kevin Durant thirty and four. So I know that
it's not necessarily they're better without Kevin Durant, but they're
so good with Clay Thompson and and Draymond Green and
Steph Curry running the show that I think it's gonna
be just as hard for Portland to win these games
(22:13):
here without Kevin Durant. They're that good when he's not
playing because it's a different style of basketball and it's
got deep Curry the most efficient score of all times
in the ball was in his hands for more possessions.
Does Frank Vogel work with Lebron James? I don't know.
Is that a question? Is that a loaded question? Doug, like,
does he actually coachs Lebronson? Because I don't know. You know,
(22:36):
I was talking to TMU the other night when there
are games seven between the Sixers and and Raptors, and
I was asking them what they thought about the Sixers offseason,
and one GM told me, don't be surprised if their
talks between the seventy Sixers and the Lakers for Lebron James,
because of the fact that Ben Simmons is on a
much longer trajectory in terms of potential. He doesn't have
(22:59):
a jump shot yet. And if you're the Josh Harris,
the owner of the Philadelphia seventy six you get impatient
and try to strike a deal now to pair Duellmbid
with Lebron and j J. Reddick and try to load
up for a championship run. Or do you wait for
Ben Simmons to develop that chump shot. And that's a question.
I don't know if it's going to happen, but a
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lot of people around the league are very interested to
see what the Sixers do, especially when it comes to
Lebron James, because that that situation in Lakerland is not good.
It's not I agree, but I also think there's the
reality of Lebron James just moved to Los Angeles, his
families here. I just don't see him picking up and
moving to Philadelphia. I just don't see like there's a
(23:42):
reason they want we have to. He would have to.
He he doesn't have a no trade clause. It's not
his call. I understand. I understand, but we also know
the way in which this business works. If he doesn't
want to go, he just says he's not going, right, Like,
you can trade for whoever you want. I'm just not going.
Like that's the reality of at his his stature in
the end be a you go like, hey, what do
you think, Like, I'm not going. You can, you can
(24:04):
trade you everyone. I'm just not going. And I do
think that's a that's a legit reality. Yeah, And and
you know what, this year it didn't go well for him,
So maybe there's a little bit of humility about the
situation there with the Lakers and Magic stepping down and
they're striking out on Tylou and Monty Williams and whoever
they tried to look at and ended up with Frank Vogel.
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I like Frank Vogel. He's a good coach. Um. I
think he got a you know, I think it was
a disappointing tenure there in Orlando, But man, I was
covering those mighty heat teams against Indiana, and they had
a lot of respect for Frank Vogel. But I just
don't know if he's the type of coach right now,
um who's ready to take this Lakers team to the
next level. So we'll see, but I just don't think
(24:46):
it's a great fit. I much prefer to see Frank
bog get another shot with an emerging team, not one
with Lebron James. No, it's a it's a hard it's
a hard, hard, hard hard deal. Um our hard deal. Um. Okay.
The thought is that at the end of this kd
ends up in New York. Should he want to play
with Kyrie Irving? I don't think so. I think with
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that market, that media market, the fact that both guys
have a tendency to play ice ball at the cost
of the rest of the team. Um, I don't. I
don't think that's a good fit. Um. You know, Kyrie
Irving in Boston, everyone thought that it was gonna be
such an easy, easy situation for him to come in
(25:30):
with Gordon Hayward. It gets to the Eastern Finals without him,
just imagine what they would do with Kyrie and Gordon Hayward.
But in fact, there it passes per game dropped by
sporty this this postseason, dropped from three twenty to two
eighty from last year to this year. Passes per game.
The ball stuck in his hands a lot more. And
(25:51):
I just don't think that's a good fit for Kevin Durant.
It would seem like those would be two silos, you know,
not working together. Um. And I'd imagine that that's just
not gonna fly in New York if they do not
optimize each other, if they don't make each other better.
I got to imagine that Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant
are gonna get a lot of heat there in that market.
And I just don't know, if you know, the way
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we know he's very sensitive to the media, very sensitive
to criticism. I just don't see it working there in
New York, especially with Kyrie, where every one in the
league wonders what he's thinking minute by minute, you know,
day by day, it changes. Great stuff. Tom, Tommy actually
John Tom have Astrow from NBC Sports Fallum on Twitter
at Tom It's h A B E R S t
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If I had no insight at all into the Boston
Celtics and what went wrong, it's subtraction by addition, like
(26:57):
too big name players kind of ruffled the egos of
others and others roughly egals of the star players. First,
you have Gordon Hayward, who was the prize get two
years ago in free agency, who unfortunately broke his ankle
(27:18):
in the first two minutes of his first game as
a Boston Celtic. He was coming back, he was getting
minutes he probably didn't deserve, as they were playing the
long game as opposed to the short game. So that's
also taking away from somebody else's minutes. And and there's
just the emotional toll it takes when you're watching a
guy get minutes that you don't think he necessarily has earned.
(27:42):
And then there's Kyrie Irving, who needs the ball, plays
his own, plays kind of his own way and um
and isn't always somebody who moves the basketball who lets
others create. He's good enough to do it on his own.
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And you would think that might ruffle the feathers of
Terry Rogier, who took his minutes when he was out
for the playoffs, and of other players because they got
the ball less as they waited for Rosier to create more,
as they waited for Irving to create more and it
didn't happen. Here's Terry Rosier earlier today when asked if
(28:27):
he would return to Boston with the current roster. Might
I might. I might have to go. I might have
to go. I put it with with a lot this year. So, uh,
you know, I said what I said after season. I
think we all know that I won't. I'm not trying
to step in into that again. Mm hmm. He's saying
(28:48):
he sacrificed moch was another tweet, another quote that he
had after the season was over. Here's Terry Rogier on
who's the blame for the team underachieving. I feel like
it's a little bit of both. I feel like that
along with the with the coaches, you know, UM treating
Gordon and and and Kyrie. I want to say different
(29:09):
than everybody else, but you know, I feel like they
just treat him like they was on that level where
there were no justaments that could be made because they
are who they are and we never figured it out.
We never figured it out after that. M hm. So
he puts the blame all across the board. But if
you listen to the way he says what he says,
(29:29):
he was unhappy with this role, and look, lots of
bench guys are unhappy with their role. And I'm sure
that on some level he knows if everybody comes back,
they can't afford to keep him anyway. So the idea
that Terry Rogier thinks he's a starter when most people
in league don't think he's a starter, that's not groundbreaking stuff,
but it does paint the picture that the Boston Celtics
(29:51):
are exactly well who they We thought they were right
a talented team, but she had young guys in Tatum
and Rosier who had been gassed up the media thinking
they were better than they were, and their ego was
hard to keep in check. You had, you know, Brad Stevens,
who's stuck between, you know, playing a superstar or a
(30:12):
star player who's not quite healthy and a superstar player
who might not be all that bought into making everybody
else better. And then you have Kyrie Irving constantly trying
to prove himself, Hey, we're really better with me and
then you have Gordon Hayward who's not as good but
trying to improve and trying to just continue to improve
(30:35):
on the way on the way there. So I get
all of that. Basically, the Boston Celtics are exactly who
we thought they were, and it's one of those teams
where chemistry doesn't. Like all teams, chemistry does matter, and
it doesn't mean you have to like your role, but
it's pretty obvious Terry Rogier was not bought into his role.
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He was not about being a star player in his role.
He wanted Kyrie's role. He still wants Kyrie's role, even
though no one thinks to this point he's proven to
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listen live. The book is Kevin Ranch Relentless Pursuit to
Be the Greatest k D. It's written by Marcus Thompson,
the second best selling author, and he joins us now
on the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. UM,
not your first book, as we've to mention your best
y k D. The honest answer. I mean, I can't
(31:40):
give you the the non honest answer because the people
who were paying me one at Kadi, they were like,
we have money and we want a Katie book. You
want to write it. I was like, let's go, let's
do it. When did you start? Uh? In earnest I
would say, probably like March last year? Yeah yeah yeah,
Mark of the Actress, Sorry, it was it was due. Uh.
(32:01):
I turned it in October November, like six months. That's good.
That's good, that's good work. Okay. So um, you had
obviously covered the warriors. He had written a book about Steph,
so you knew kind of the landscape. But what was
different about what's different about k D the Dude than
you thought before you started writing a book about k
(32:24):
D the Dude? Well, number one, His his life was
so drastically different this death right. It was just I
mean it's night and day. Uh. His but his was
a lot like mine, Like there were a lot of similarity,
So it was definitely more Uh, it was more touchy
feely for me, like personally like experiencing it and kind
of understanding what he went through because it was there
(32:46):
were just so many similarities, like like like the you know,
growing up in poverty, having death, like ravage of life,
like you know, dealing with you know, parents that are
not around, you know, that type of thing. I could
relate to what he was, to what he went through,
and I didn't. I didn't. I didn't really catch that
vibe with step because you know, he had a very
(33:08):
ideal situation. So it was like getting getting to Katie's
story just knowing you got to navigate that pain. What
was much different. You got to figure out a way
to talk to ask about hard stuff like like like
death and somebody dying, right, So that that was different. Um,
he's a lot more talkative and and friendly behind the
(33:30):
scenes than I think people know. He's He's very chill.
He's very easy to get along with, Like you know,
he's an ultimate like good dudes. You know, he asked
about your family. He'll have a conversation with you about
just about anything, and you know, then he'll get on
the podium and he'll go at you, right, but there's
times he's like, come at me on the podium and
then afterwards we'll chat about whatever. So he was he
(33:52):
was definitely personable, Uh throughout the process. Why do you
leave Oklahoma City? Why do you really leave? I think
it was a confluence of things, right. I don't think
it was one thing. I think it had to do
with he But I think the overwriting thing was he
felt like there was a greater relevance for him, right,
instead of like almost like being mired in the the
(34:16):
stuff that is that that was the franchise that didn't
have enough money, that always had a reason to fail.
I think there was a part of him that just
wanted more, something bigger, like something greater, and he saw
a chance to make history. And there's a lot of
little stuff. Teammates, the quality of his teammates, you know,
the chance to be his own man, like, all of
that was in there. But just knowing his story, I mean,
(34:40):
the dude has just been like on this trajectory anyway.
So it felt like it was almost natural and out
of his hands, you know. It's it's fascinating. I think
I think his and and this is again I'm kind
of been tipped off by other people who know him,
and that like part of it was just, hey, look, man,
i think I'm the best player on earth. And the
only way to do that, to show that is to
(35:02):
play against Lebron in the finals and to get kind
of the space to get him one on one where
I can show everybody I'm better than him. And he
actually did that two consecutive years and then didn't feel
like he anybody said like, hey, you know what, that
guy is actually better and that's what's caused some of
this kind of defensiveness towards the media and at times
(35:23):
towards fans. That is that Is that a fair representation? No,
no question, I agree with that. I do think like
that's what I was saying, Like he He's like, Yo,
I'm at the top of this thing here and everybody
kind of needs to see this, right, and it doesn't
feel like I can get there from here. So I
do feel like that's exactly why he went. And after
(35:44):
he did that, like he didn't get the respect that
he probably thought he was getting because he clearly I'll
play Lebron and still was like, oh but this, and
oh but that. The I part though, is I actually
think it's coming now. Yes, I know That's what I've
been saying. Marcus Marcus Thompson Joe Us. His new book
is called k D. Kevin Durant's relentless pursued to be
the greatest. What's crazy about it is now everybody's like, hey,
(36:06):
you know what, the best player is Kevin Durant, And
now he wants to Now he's like, I already kind
of like got one foot out the door. You see,
That's what I'm that. That's that's what makes it interesting, right,
that's the plot twist, like out of nowhere, almost right.
First he had the little Patrick Beverley thing and I'm
Kevin Durant, you know who I am? And then since
then it's been like, oh, man, this dude the grade
he's drop fifty. Steph Curry is calling him the best
(36:28):
player in the world, right, Draymond Green is calling him
our leader. Their chant for him m v P in
the Bay Area like Bay Area loves He's Steph Curry.
Fans are saying, man, his dude, it's the best player
on the team. And now it's like all of a sudden,
out of nowhere, everything that he felt like he deserved
and probably did deserve is happening. How does that impact
the decision? Now, Like that's not nothing. I don't think.
(36:50):
I don't thinkure out that. Did you print the book
deserve for a sequel, Marcus Thompson joining us here on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. Um, I likened him a little
bit too Kareem. Now, obviously I think off camera he's
more personable than Kareem. But he's crazy, crazy bright. But
he also and I think some of it is his size,
(37:12):
Like I don't know if he's really seven feet tall,
isn't he? And I don't know people who know this.
He's listed at six ft nine, and Kareem used to
have a lot of trouble with, you know, people saying
he was seven ft two, Like he just there's a
certain awkwardness to it, and kind of similar to Kareem,
Like Kareem six time m v P, six time champion,
and no one mentions Kareem as the greatest player of
(37:32):
all time. You know, he scored more points than anybody
has ever played in the game. Like there's a little
bit of Kareem there in terms of like social he's
so bright, yet still awkward in some social settings, and
and and really is adamant about making sure you don't
attribute his greatness to like this genetic anomaly, right, Like
(37:53):
it's like, yo, I'm this good because I'm this good,
not because I'm tall, and I do think there's some
similarities there and from what I know about Kareem, and
I was a little bit before my time, at least
the height of his career, but Kareema seemed feels like
a guy who just feels a lot, right that all
the things you read about him, like like he hurts
and you know what I'm saying, that he gets happy
(38:15):
and like he feels what's happening in the world, what's
happening out there. I think that's a great correlation because Durant,
that's one thing I learned about him, Like he feels
stuff like and he's open about it, like you know,
like he gets all sappy about basketball and team play
and and benches players playing where were Like, he's sappy
(38:36):
about that stuff, like he feels it. And you know,
he gets mad when people are calling him out and
and and criticize him. He wants to fire back. There's
a real, like kind of human quality that you can
that I can pick up from Kareem by reading about him,
and also can see in Kevin Durant and maybe the
modern day like millennial social media guy can kind of
(38:58):
still communicate through that and it felt like maybe Kareem
didn't know how to communicate through that or didn't feel
like anybody could connect with him that way. But he
definitely felt like somebody who feels a lot and it
matters to him, and and he was very human in
that way. Okay, explaining to me the rich Climate thing
like that. I I understand that their their business partners.
(39:19):
I understand that he's had him invest in all these things,
but it is kind of a weird relationship, right, Like
k D. Lebron has all the guys he grew up
around kind of around him and he's kind of lifted
them up and now they have big time jobs, Whereas
this is somebody that k D has come to know
and now they are close like brothers, even though they're
(39:42):
from really different backgrounds. And I'm not sure most people
in the league, uh love that love the idea of
that relationship. What have you come to learn of it?
It's it's as weird as you think it is, right,
it's as unlikely as you think it is. I think
that the connection is that rich Climan is from a
hip hop background and Katie is a hip hop head. Right.
(40:03):
You know, he signed with Rock Nation he's a big
jay Z fan and that's where that's where Rich Climbing
comes from. And they he had a friend from where
he grew up, a rapper named wile A that Rich
Climbing managed, So they kind of have that. I do
think it's a bit of you know, right place, right time,
And there was a moment, there was a part in
(40:23):
Kevin Durant's career where he went from like young, like
Oklahoma City dude too all right, let's transition into star
right into into a superstar with with brand and Mogul aspirations,
and Rich was part of that. It is very weird.
I wonder. I definitely wondered throughout this process. And one
of my questions was, how did he get this spot?
(40:45):
Like there could have been a million people lined up
who want to be this for Kevin Durant? Why Rich Climbing.
And I do think like Rich Climbing came along at
the right time, at this transitional period in Katie's life
and and and Katie is a very loyal guy. And
if you get to him like you got him like that,
that's how he is. He's really like like Quinn Cook
(41:06):
is his best friend right on the in the Warriors
locker room because they got this DC, this Prince George's
County connection. Like once he wants you with k D,
he with you. And I think Rich you know, proved
worthy to earn that respect from KD. Is he the yoko?
Though for for the Golden State Warriors it could be? Right,
(41:27):
This is gonna be interesting because rich Climate is like
juggling all these options, and really that's what we're talking about.
Is Katie part of the perk of being where he
is that he gets options, right, whether it's standard the
Warriors or going to the Knicks or Brooklyn or the Clippers.
And rich Climate has got to manage this, I think
right now. And you know, the move. We can question
(41:48):
the move to the Warriors, right but in the end
it seems like it kind of works for the end game.
But I think right now rich is on the clock
on this one. Like what he does next, I feel
like it's going to determine like richest value in in
this league, in this industry that he's in that he
never he didn't start in, but now he's trying to
be a major player and if he if he pulls
(42:10):
it off, hey he's a player now. He's one of
He's one of the ones. But if he doesn't, I
don't know that's gonna be tough. Last thing likelihood Katie
plays in this series. What's the like of Hill Portland
wins the game. I don't. I don't think he plays
until they lose. That's what That's what I really think.
I don't think he's playing the first two games. And
(42:31):
if they're up two, oh, they're not playing them in
game three. And then if they're up three, oh, there's
just no need to play him because he's still hurting.
His cap is still bothering them, and I don't think
they're gonna put him out there in pain unless they
have to. So it really comes down to can Dame
get hot one game in Oracle one time for for
Oakland and you know, give us a one last memory
(42:51):
from a town dude in Oracle Arena in Oakland. Yeah? No,
I mean that's there's a lot to it, right with
with with him coming back home with the Curry family
and then then playing you know, the thirty one in
four record now without without without Kevin Durant. Last thing
Marcus Marcus Thompson wrote the book k D. Good Dude,
Uh great dude, good dude or kind of different dude.
(43:13):
How would you if somebody asked you, how would you
describe Kevin Durant? Probably all of the above. That's what
makes him like, That's what makes him like such this
multifacet individual, Like there are some things Katie does that
are like and and nobody even knows, but it's like, Yo,
that was like the coolest thing ever. And the people
he can you give me one? Can you give me one?
Real quick? Man? He just random, Like there's one there's
(43:35):
a kid who's like basically in the hospital dying, and
Kadi sees a twite, a tweet online that the dude
was a fan, and he goes to the hospital and
surprises him and shows up at his party, Like that's
like who does that? Right? Just off Twitter? And that
dude and that family would say he's a great dude, right,
And then there's some people who say, man, he's a
(43:56):
good dude. I like hanging with him. And then there's
some people who will say, oh, this is a hard fella.
He is difficult. So I think what makes him unique
is that he's all of it, and he's perfectly willing
to be all of it Instead of trying to be
some kind of pr concoction which I actually respect. Actually
I do, I do too. The book is k D
pick it up. Thanks so much for join us, Marcus,
(44:16):
Thank you, Doug,
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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