September 24, 2019 • 39 mins
Doug thinks the current make up of the Bears roster proves Mitch Trubisky is the right choice at quarterback. He talks to Chris Simms from ProFootballTalk about the Browns and why they’ve struggled to start the season. Plus, QB guru Jordan Palmer joins the show to tell Doug why Kyle Allen succeeded in his first NFL start for the Panthers.
Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks for listening to the best of the Doug Gottlieb
Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday
from three to six pm Eastern Time that's twelve to
three Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station
for the Doug Gottlieb Show at Fox Sports Radio dot com,
or stream us live every day on the I Heart
Radio app by searching fs R. This is the best
(00:22):
of the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Boom
Up America. Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to
you from the Sunny City of Angels. The Doug Gottlieb
Show is brought to you by Farmers. At Farmers, we've
seen almost everything. Soon uncover almost anything when it's game time.
(00:42):
Have an experienced player help you stay at the game.
Put their experience in plant Farmers dot com are Farmers
here we go. The massive overreaction to yesterday credit me
and me alone. I know uh that um Isaac Lowen
crow On was on updates yesterday and John Ramos both
(01:04):
agreed with my picks. My pick which was the Redskins,
But only I, the whimsical wizard of me, told you
that it would be I said bigly. I used the
president's word, which I think sometimes people think says big league,
or maybe he says big league, but it sounds like
big lee. This was a complete and utter mismatch. The
(01:25):
Redskins stink and the Bears are remarkable on defense, average
on at quarterback, and decent enough on offense. Right, and
so they went by a sizeable margin. Jake Gruden was
already on the hot seat, but now it becomes incredibly obvious.
(01:48):
Stop me if you've heard this before, but maybe case
Keenum isn't good enough at quarterback. Remember the people in
Minnesota when uh, when they signed Kirk Cousins, and Kirk
Cousins had a quote unquote disappointing season last year, throwing
for over four thousand yards. Maybe we should have stuck
with case Keenum. Yeah, how that worked for the Rams?
How did that work for the Broncos? How did that
(02:11):
work for now the Washington Redskins. I mean, there's no
greater sign you're going to get fired than if you
announced case Keenum as you're starting quarterback to start the season.
Don't believe me. Look what happened in l A with
the Rams. Look what happened in Denver and what's likely
to happen with the Washington Redskins. Pretty mark wouldn't all
(02:35):
three coaches he started the season as the starter for.
And I'm throwing in the fact that it looks like
Jake Gruden six years time, probably up that all three
coaches and ultimately get the acts. Pretty interesting. Then there's
the other quarterback, Mitch Trabinsky or Mitchell Trabisky, whatever you
(02:56):
wanna call him. He wasn't great. Matter of fact, I
can make the case that they hadn't even really been
very good. Now I laid out for you going back
a couple of weeks ago, a couple weeks ago, that
how they came to draft Mitchell Robinsky. But the end
of the game, I mean, you look at the numbers,
(03:16):
and it wasn't terrible. Thirty one to thirty one, three touchdowns,
one interception. They were up twenty eight to three and
a half, and they cruised to a victory. And and
here's the thing, I know that they are forever going
to be known as the team that passed on not one,
(03:37):
but two star quarterbacks. Deshaun Watson was in that draft,
and of course Pat Mahomes was in that draft, and
Matt Naggy coming from Kansas City, runs essentially the same offense,
with well two big differences. One the talented wide receiver
in tight end that they have in Kansas City. But two,
and this is most importantly, the quarterback is different. They're
(03:59):
gonna be the team that traded up to draft a
quarterback that didn't draft Pat Mahomes. You gotta live with that.
But that's not what today should be about. That's not
what last night should be about. That's not what their
season should be about. The Bears are two and one.
If you want to make the case they almost lost
to the Denver Broncos, that's fine if that's the case.
They almost beat the Green Bay Packers, and they'd beat
(04:21):
three and oh remember last year they won their division,
got a home home home game and lost. But the
fact is that the Bears have rebuilt themselves as a
defensive juggernaut. And I want you to ask yourself this,
in the thirty five years, right, wasn't it thirty five
years since they won a Super Bowl? They've been They've
been the playoffs eleven times, including last year, so ten
(04:45):
out of thirty four years they've been. But in the
in all of this time, even going back to when
they won a Super Bowl and eighty five, or when
they appeared in Super Bowl against Peyton Manning and Rex
Grossman was their quarterback. When did the Bears have a
dynamic offense and a dynamic quarterback like we remember the
(05:09):
Bears because the defense was the best historically in the league,
maybe in the history of the league. They also had
Walter Payton at all time great. They had William the
Refrigerator Perry, who they gave the ball to instead of
Walter Payton in the Super Bolts score touchdown. They annihilated
everything in their path. We remember Jim McMahon, but that's
(05:29):
because he fought the league. That's because he was a
wild child, not because he was a great quarterback. And
so I guess my point is not I'm not gonna
sit here and convince you Mitchell Robinsky is a top
ten quarterback. I'm not. His numbers were efficient last night.
He played well enough. He had three touchdowns, one interception.
They laughed. They they won going away, and they were
(05:51):
helped by the fact that the other teams that they've played,
both in Denver and now in the Skins, don't have
a good enough quarterback. I know they missed on a superstar.
They missed on a guy who might set every record
in the history of the league, and that one that
it's gonna be hard to live down. But that shouldn't be.
(06:14):
How you look at the Bears right now, is he
good enough? What does your job require of you? Passing
yards second to last and pass per attempt only, averaging
a D nine three passing yards per game. And you
sit there and you're like, man, he threw for fewer
(06:36):
yards last night and yards pert tempt than both Carson
Wentz and Dak Prescott did against the exact same crummy
Redskins defense. The Bears defense force five turnovers, including one
interception return four a touchdown, so they want they won
in spite of not because of Mr Drabinsky. But you
know what, when you have that defense, when you have
(06:59):
what they have around you, you don't have to throw
for four hundred yards, You don't have to line up
every time and run oop to you, you don't have
to trick people and fool people. You can be conservative
and you could have an average at best quarterback and
still have a spectacular team. Yes, the Chiefs have Pat Mahomes.
(07:25):
The Chiefs smartly sat Pat Mahomes and he learned. He
became a pro, and Alex Smith trained him, and they
had they put a good roster around him, and they
might have the best skilled position players in the entire league.
But the chief's going back to last year even to
this year, they need him to score thirty five a game.
They need him to be just a freak of nature.
They have no chance of winning otherwise that's not what's
(07:47):
what's what's needed from Mr Drobinsky. Drabinsky simply has to
read the defense, deliver the ball, get it to guys
in space, try and not take negative plays, run out
of trouble, don't run it over, be smart. Occasionally make
a big play when they call an explosive But outside
of that, the defense is awesome, the play calling is creative,
(08:10):
and now that they have a relatively decent kicking game,
he just needs to not lose them the game. And
if you don't think that that works in the NFL,
I give you rest Grossman. That work got you. So
just remember what Matt Naggi said after they lost to
the Packers is a little combination of everything you know.
(08:32):
I think, uh again, I give credit to to coach
Patton on defense. I said it to you guys last year.
He's a good defensive coordinator and he does a lot
of good things, and they do some things personnel wise
that they're able to do. He's always done that, um
and so uh. But at the same time, you know,
I just I think that whether it was in the
run game, I know we had a bunch we ended
(08:52):
up throwing a lot more than passing, and for whatever
reason we did, that's not what we want. That's how
we want. We want to be a running team. We
want our quarterback to run it pack. Even last night,
they still, you know, David Montgomery is not really a
guy who they want to have carry the ball times,
but they'd like to figure out the way to do that.
(09:13):
They wont with the Redskins scoring a late touchdown and
having to go for two. It wasn't as close as
the final score. They played to their strengths as what
professionals do, and they won the game in their two
and one. I don't I get that he's not Pat Mahomes.
It may save them fift twenty million dollars a year
(09:34):
that he's not Pat Mahomes if they choose to stand
by Mr Rabinsky. Is Mitt Drabinsky great? No? Is he bad? No?
Is he good enough? I think the answer actually is yes.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Dot
Leap Show week days in noon eastern three pm Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
Let's welcome to Chris Sims course. Uh Football Night in America,
(09:56):
and you can see him covering Notre Dame football as well.
It's Doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Chris,
I want to get to your thoughts on Notre Dame
in Georgia. But Michigan's problems are they fixable? Um? Just
from what I've seen with Michigan, I don't know if
they are fixable. I don't know. The offense definitely lacks creativity.
(10:19):
Uh that's probably really been a theme of you know,
Jim Harbaugh's career. Uh. So I look at it that way.
I don't look at Shaye Patterson as being a big
difference maker. I don't look at Michigan in general and
just go wow, look at all the athletes all over
the field. You know, their sound, they're well coached, their
defense plays good. But I mean again, you know, you
(10:41):
just look at the NFL draft the last two years,
there's not exactly like skill players from Michigan spilling over
to the NFL and we're like, oh, please, wow, this
is overload of Michigan skill guys. I just think they
depend on kind of beating you up physically and winning games, uh,
through sound football, and that's just not gonna get it
done every game, weekend, week out in college football and
especially in the Big Ten. Let's get to Notre Dame. UM.
(11:04):
I know they don't want to collect moral victories, but
it did feel like one. Maybe they have a moral
victory against Clemson. Last time they played Georgia came down
to one play. Uh, but just watching it from where
from my vantage point, felt like a hell of football team. Uh.
Two teams loaded with athletes, and Notre Dame played them
not to a draw, but pretty close to what I
(11:25):
feel like to you, Yeah, I'm in the same way.
You know, I'm a little disappointed in the fact that,
you know, I thought Notre Dame might be able to
run the ball. More was a little surprised they didn't
try to run the ball. I thought one of their
great advantages they have is they have a fairly complex
running game scheme as compared to most of college football. Uh.
(11:46):
And not that I expected them to go in there
and just steamrolled Georgia or anything like that, but you
know the fact is they couldn't get any running game
going and it made them one dimensional. I do give
it a little bit of a moral victory for Notre Dame.
You know, people don't want to believe in Notre Dame's talent,
and I want to go Notice they got an NFL
tight end. You know, they got NFL offensive lineman. You know,
(12:08):
Chase Claypooler receiver is going to be an NFL wide receiver.
They got NFL thebeast. You saw. They were not out
athleted against Georgia, if anything, maybe just a little outsize
and physical to a degree. I think that was a
little bit of a surprise to me. But defense played well,
Ian Booked did a lot of good things. Like I said,
I just a little disappointed in their run game or
lack thereof. Take from like awesome college quarterback. I don't
(12:35):
look at him as being a first round talent as
far as NFL quarterback. I need to study him, Doug
like I haven't like done a draft study. But my
early I would tell me that he's a fringe NFL
starter slash really awesome backup quarterback. But I don't think
he's in the class of a guy like to Uh
(12:56):
or Justin Herbert up in Oregon. I don't think I
see anything elite as far as physical ability. You know,
good athletes, but nothing great. Just the solid college quarterback athlete.
Arm is good. But I'm not gonna sit here and
go wow, he's making wow throws all over the field.
You know, let's not forget he's gonna look a little
(13:17):
bit better because he does have a ton of NFL
players around him at Georgia, whether it's running back, receivers, lineman,
defensive players, and of course a great coaching staff that's
been accumulated there. But still really good football player. But yeah, Doug,
we'll talk about this more when it comes draft time
and he's he is draft eligible, we can get in
this conversation. But yeah, that would be my early TV
(13:38):
scouting outlook on him. Chris Sim's joining us in the
Doug Gottlieb Show. Let's get the Football Night in America.
Brown's rams uh, Brown's obviously everyone's pointing out the fourth
and nine draw call there there. There have been some
people who are kind of coming on board with me,
which is like, hey, ya, no, Baker hasn't been hasn't
been great, maybe not close to as good as retirees.
(14:00):
Let's start with Baker Mayfield. How much of it is
on him? How much of it is on the play calling? Well,
I think a good amount you gotta put on Baker Mayfield.
I think Baker Mayfield and head coach Freddie Kitchen are
kind of still finding their way in the NFL. And
Baker has from preseason game number three down in Tampa
Bay been a little off just throwing the football, and
really the first time I've ever seen him be off
(14:22):
in his career, even dating back to Oklahoma. And when
I say off, I mean, yeah, you know there's a
guy there that I've seen Baker Mayfield, you know, throw
it into a tight window and throw a strike like
twenty times in his NFL career, and now he's made
a few throws lately where you know, it's not a strike,
it's just on the outside edge and it's a ball
where it's just off target. That way. The biggest thing
(14:43):
I think that's a little concern to me with Baker Mayfield, though,
through the first three weeks more than anything, is just
a little bit jumpy in the pocket, you know, leaves
the pocket when he doesn't need to. Uh, if the
first guy is not open, kind of panics, Hey, just
sit there. There's a lot of times where it's three
and four man rushes the pockets clean, the first guy's
got open, and he moves for some reason. Um, So
(15:06):
they are finding their rhythm as an offense. I think
Freddie Kitchen is trying to find out, you know, kind
of what their mantra on the offensive side of the
ball will be. Because right now, even though I like
that they finally stayed patient with the run game a
little last week, it does look like it's just an offensive. Hey,
let's call this play because we practice it. Let's call
that play because we practice it. There's no planned attack
(15:28):
or tying together a plays and concepts that I that
I see quite yet. Yeah, I I I said yesterday
that and you tell me if you Chris Simms joining
us on the Dug Outling Show, I said yesterday and again,
you guys, you know, feel free if I'm way off.
You can take a chance with an undersized quarterback who
has a good football mind. But look, he's still an experience.
(15:48):
He's gotten confused here. First three, you can take a chance.
You can take a chance with an unproven head coach
and by the way, it's really hard to be a
head coach and a play call. You can take that chance.
You can take a chance with the ego Odell Beckham Jr.
And spending money at skill positions while while not spending
as much money or as much attention on the offensive line.
But but if you spend, if you take all of
(16:10):
these chances combined. Now of a sudden, you're seeing that
with the Browns, it's not one thing, it's a bunch
of different stuff, and it's one of the reasons that
this team is kind of not balanced. I couldn't agree more.
And you know, to to speak to your point even
further in detail. You know, that's what a great offense is.
A great offense has one thing they do really good, right,
(16:33):
and then they force you to adjust to it. And
then when you adjust, they go, oh, now they've made
the adjustment and we got planned B and C to
screw them over. Just look at the RAMS. The RAMS
formula is not complicated. Speed sweet fake the speed sweep,
give it to Todd Curley, fake the speed sweep, fake
Todd Gurley, play action pass wide open, fake the speed sweep,
(16:55):
fake Todd Gurley, fake play action pass screen to the
running back. So it doesn't take much, but you've got
to find something that you're really good at. And then
now the defense has to play outside their comfort zone
because they go, oh, I don't know how we're gonna
stop that unless we change what we do. And that's
what a great offense does, and then that filters into
other great things as you go along. Chris Sam's joining
(17:17):
us in the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I think a lot of people are conflating two things.
They see that the Bears traded up and took Mr
Drabinsky instead of Deshaun Watson and Pat Mahomes, and they're like,
that was a bad decision. Fair, right, in hindsight those
two are better. Maybe in foresight those two are better,
(17:38):
But but it's Drabinsky good enough? Like does it for
the Bears? Does it really matter? That's a fair question.
And you know, also to what you're saying, it's not
Drabinsky's fault that they misevaluated every all all the quarterbacks
that year and took him a number two. It's just
not his fault. If you want to blame anybody, blame
(17:59):
Brian Pay for that, you know. And I I respect
for the GM Ryan pace there in Chicago because he's
built a really good football team. They can still win
with mittel Robinski. Of course they can. They win eleven
and three with them last year. He led them down
to kick an easy game winning field goals and the
double doink against the Eagles. Played really well in that
playoff game, I mean, one of his best games of
(18:20):
the year, and certainly answered the bell when he needed two.
Most I think there's like two things Matt n Age.
I do believe it's been a little overrated as an
offensive play call or we just said, oh, he's great
because they won games last year and he came from
Andy Reid, so he was anointed an offensive genius right there.
I'm just telling you, I like his offense. But I
watched it on film almost every week, and I never
(18:42):
really come away going WHOA, that was like an amazing attack?
Like WHOA. I saw some plays in this game plan
that I've never seen before, let alone I think their
talent on the offensive side of the ball is a
little overrated to go with it. You know, offensive line solid,
but you saw last night. Their run games nothing special.
There's no special running back receivers are all good, but
(19:06):
they're not the type of guys that like defenses are
going whoa if we don't double team Alan Robinson or
Taylor Gabriel, We're gonna lose. The game's over. It's not
that type of talent. So I think all of that's
been a little overrated. People have caught onto matten Age,
Mitchell Drabinsky has not been perfect, but did some good
things last night, And uh, they don't have to be
(19:27):
over overly complicated. The thing I liked about last night
more than anything, Doug, is they at least it wasn't
just a role of decks of plays. The game plan
early was let's just throw it's short, let's be efficient.
We'll throw a wide receiver, screens, little pick plays underneath
play defense. You know, it kind of took the place
of their running game, and there's nothing wrong with that.
(19:49):
The New Orleans Saints have made a career out of
finding a lot of bullcrap ways to throw the ball.
Five yards to Alvin Kamara or hey, Drew, look over here.
But this is all window dressing because I want you
to throw it over here to Michael Thomas. I think
a little more of that has to go on in
Chicago to help me with true bisky out. I think
that's what the offense is calling for. And uh yeah,
they can play through their defense and still be a
(20:10):
very dangerous football team. I I completely and totally agree
with you. Um I don't know if you've seen the
tape yet, but the Kyle Allen thing kind of interesting
right here, right. I mean, Kylin was a highly touted recruit,
Goes Day and and he actually beat out Kyler Murray,
but then they started splitting time. He leaves, goes to Houston,
(20:31):
and now you have Cam who is still not gonna
be healthy this week. And it's really hard to tell
because the Cardinals aren't very good. But is Kyle Allen
a better quarterback right now than Cam Is? Well? Yeah,
I mean at this moment, I mean yes, because the
one thing we learned in the first two weeks of
(20:51):
the year, I mean, Carolina the football team played good football.
They could have won the first two games. It was
there to be had In Week one, again of the
rams certainly there to be had against the Tampa Bay
Buccaneers on that Thursday night game. The flaw of the
team those first two weeks was Cam Newton. And I
don't like saying that because I think Cam Newton is
(21:11):
like a really really special player. But he missed throws
and made reads, uh in those games that were just inexcusable.
And of course now we know he wasn't totally healthy,
and of course he was battling with coming back from
the shoulder injury to begin with, But man did he
missed a lot of throws those first two weeks. And
they have an offense with Norv Turner who's he's formulated
(21:32):
a pretty good game plan. They got a sneaky talent.
You know, they still got a Olsen at tight end,
but Curtis Samuel and d J. Moore a wide receiver,
pretty damn good old lines getting there. So at the
very least, he took advantage of what was there to
be had, which had not happened the first two weeks
with Cam Newton. Am I ready to anoint him the
starting quarterback of the Carolina Panthers. Absolutely not. I still
(21:54):
think a healthy hitting out off all cylinders. Cam Newton
is the most dangerous Carolina Panthers team we've seen, but
he just got to get healthy. And at least now
they have the confidence of a guy like Kyle Allen
to where they don't have to throw Kim Newton back
out there at eighty five. This can give them the
confidence to let him heal up, let him get back
to the guy that we know he's capable of being,
(22:16):
and hopefully they can string together some wins in the meantime.
Lamar Jackson looks so good weeks one, week two, and
I know that people look at the final numbers like
it wasn't bad, but but it was bad. You know,
even though those two completions which is like fifty yards
were complete miracle Larry Rahail Mary's luck. Um, I think
that's the real Lamar Jackson right. Still can run it
(22:36):
and can make some throws, but if you play him right,
he can just be so inaccurate short and underneath. I
just we just didn't get a sense of who he
was because of who he was playing against and how
they kind of overwhelmed him. Is that is that a
is that a fair amount of analysis? I I think
it's a fair amount of analysis. I think there's some
other things that we need to blame on the Baltimore Ravens,
you know, philosophy of that game anyways. I mean, you know,
(22:59):
I've said this a little this week already. Baltimore tried
to go into Kansas City and out Kansas City in
Kansas City and that just ain't gonna happen. It's like
they came out the show like, oh no, we're gonna throw.
We're the greatest show on turf. We're gonna come out
throwing and show you what we're all about. I I
really thought the overall game plan for the Baltimore Ravens
(23:20):
played right into the Chiefs hands. And in the first half,
what was Lamar Jackson eight for nineteen something like that.
You know. Then they start the second half they run
the ball every play and smash it down the throw
to the Kansas City Chiefs. So I think they got
a little enamored with the matchup, the way their offenses
and playing. You know, hey, they tried at the end
(23:40):
of the first half to to go down and throw
the ball six straight times and they leave a minute
in eighteen seconds left on for Patrick Mahomes, who then
goes down and kicks the field goal before the half.
It just wasn't a Baltimore Ravens type of game to me,
especially starting off with going for two points to start
the game. I just they haven't and that all year.
But now we're gonna be insanely aggressive and the toughest
(24:04):
environment we played all year. No, that's not what you're
made for. The Baltimore Ravens are famous because of their
run game, their defense, and then Lamar Jackson strikes from there,
and I think they kind of put the what do
I want to say, the egg before the chicken or
the chicken before the egg here where they went, No,
we're gonna come out fire Lamar Jackson and show them
we can throw the ball, and then we're gonna go
(24:25):
back to what we do. And at that point it
was too little, too late, and they were down thirty
and thirteen. Car before Horse. Yeah that's a good one too.
I like that before Car before Horse. Great great stuff.
As always, man really appreciates join us. You're the man, Doug.
I'll talk to you. See you next week. Christimas Football
Night in America. He covers Notre Dame Football be sure
to catch live editions of the Doug Dot Leaps Show
(24:47):
week days at noon Eastern three pm Pacific. I happen
to send Cindy kats are book or a text like
we have. Jordan palm Run Yeah, you know NFL and
college football analysts for Fox Sports and Stadium and he's
also quarterback guru, a trainer for some of the elites
at the high school, the college and pro level. Jordan
Bomber joins us in the Doug Got Leave Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Uh help me out with Mitch Mitchell Drabinsky. Okay,
(25:12):
I know him great, dude. I understand that the Bears
a lot of his personality was a big reason that
they draft him, that they liked him, and that he
hadn't played a lot of college football. UM, I think
it'd be safe to say that, you know, whether it's
Deshaun Watson or Pat Mahomes, he's not the best quarterback
of that class, even though he was the second pick
in that in that draft. My big question is forget
(25:35):
all that, is he good enough for them to win big?
With Jordan's it was too long question just switched over
to me. I just got you, Sorry about that, Um, Okay,
George Mitch Robinski, He's He's not Pat Mahomes, probably not
(25:57):
Deshaun Watson. But is he good enough for what the
Bears need? You know, I think what they need and
there's there's costs, and then there's opportunity costs like in business,
and um, I think he's good enough to do what
they need. And if if you think what they need
is build an amazing defense and have a guy who
can you know, problem solve and get you all the
(26:19):
way to the end of the you know, get you
all the way the Super Bowl. But then but you
have to look at opportunity costs and who they passed
on that year. UM, and Mahomes is changing the way
that the NFL has played offensively. UM And Deshaun sure
looks like a guy who uh And I've worked with
Deshawn's high school, so I've I've been a believer this
for a long time. But like, if you just give
(26:40):
him an opportunity to win a championship, he probably will. Um.
I never I never got exposed to any of that
about Mitch. You know, I never heard that he won
championships and he's little, or that he completely turned around
anything or he was game changing. So I think he
can do the things with Maggie and the defense and
some of the skill positions. But it's just gonna be
hard to ever look at it without an asterisk when
(27:00):
you look at these other two dudes. So they picked
way ahead of Yeah, Yeah, I know it's it's a
it's a hard burden to carry, but he is a
good enough dude maybe to carry it. All. Right, let's
let's let's talk Pat Mahomes. You said he's how is
he changing the NFL? Well, I just think, um, he
has he has an incredible arm, and I've spent a
lot of time with that. He's got incredible arm, but
(27:22):
he's not the first incredible arm, right, and he's got
he's got a great play caller and Andy Reid, but
he's not Andy Reid's first quarterback that he's called plays for.
So the way that they're changing the game is certain
areas on the field. He's taking the mindset that he
had in college and that he was learned in running
that aread offense of keeping it simple, start your eyes
(27:44):
with one guy, pure progression on a lot of the
stuff and everything is getting it out really really quickly,
almost before the defense has decided that defenders decided how
to cover that guy. Okay, and there's a million routes
where he could use as an example, you know, swing
out by running back out of the backfield. Typically that
ball is caught one yard in front of the line
of scrimmage. Well, they'll throw it on his third step
(28:07):
as he's not he's not even like getting a shoulders
square there, So they're they're they're taking that kind of
philosophy from air aide. But he does have a strong
enough arm, and they do have so much juice at
white out where that's how they're throwing seems that's how
they're throwing the over routes. They're also doing the traditional stuff.
And uh, you know, I was at the Cardinals Panthers
(28:27):
game and before I was talking to Cliff Kingsbury and
Pat's name came up because I got introduced to Pat
in college from Cliff. You sent him to me, and
and we both agreed the fact that and he's just
letting him play and letting him not trying to overdo
everything and jack up his footwork and change everything, is
allowing him to play really fast and really free. You
(28:49):
mentioned going to see the Cardinals game. I want to
get to Kyle Allen first. Pretty amazing day for a kid, right,
And here's a guy who highly touted from Scott's tale,
goes to M beats out Kyler Murray and then you
know they started playing Kyler and eventually they both left
at the end of that year, goes to Houston and
then he's a backup and now he comes in gets
(29:10):
his first shot against Kyler um and and by the way,
against Cliff who was there calling plays back when he
was at A and M and and not only it's
not just that he one, he lit the place up,
Like is this real? Is this sustainable? What Kyle Allen
was able to do? Let me just jump in. So
that's kind of the story. That's like everyone's trying to
(29:32):
dig and find out what this Kyle Allen kids story is. Story.
The reality is is he was the top recruit in
the country, chose Texas, A and M over everywhere, and
he started as a true freshman and they were talking
about building that thing around him. But Kyler's dad, who
played today and M and who's a lot of people
think is the greatest high school football player to ever
played in Texas which is actually relevant to me when
(29:54):
you look at the other names. Um, you know that
coach told Kyle don't worry about Murray. We're not gonna play.
I mean he told Murray, I don't worry about Allen.
You're gonna beat him out. Complete one thing, do another.
So like, how do you get too big time in
lead eleven quarterbacks to commit in back to back years
and leave within a week. It's what it ain't that
(30:15):
it ain't Kyle Field's not big enough, right if not,
the uniforms aren't cool enough. There's some real disastrous stuff
going on there. And they cleaned the house out, but
it was completely told one thing and did another. So
then he goes to Houston because Tom Herman's there and says, hey, look,
I got multiple years left on my deal. You're gonna
come here. All I need is a quarterback. You know,
(30:36):
there's all these things in place where if you know,
we went and we moved to a different conference, all
that I'm not going anywhere. So he came and he
sat out that year because he had a transference. It
out and obviously and blocked him from going anywhere in
the SEC. And he goes there and Tom Herman leaves,
which I don't blame him at all. Texas called go
do your thing, so he got. He got so twice.
(30:57):
So then major raftwide takes over and hey, where we're
gonna be our guy, and then they couldn't really so
they benched him for to Eric King. So like that,
he has been completely And what I've experienced because I've
been with in sin high school is every time he
had an opportunity to do something awesome. He did high school,
the pitch Championship games, the lead eleven, his pro day
was I don't care if it was a pro day,
it was so it was the best he'd ever thrown,
(31:20):
which is like, that's hard to do, to have your
best day when you have to have it, that's a
that's a skill. And then last year getting in there.
So I think it's honestly tell you, because I was
talking about it for three weeks leading up to it,
I'm just not surprised at all what he did the
other day. And he's going to go into Houston and
he's gonna do something similar. Okay, the goods a really
good player and he's playing for a great play caller,
(31:41):
and I think he fits North Turner as a play
caller better than Cam Newton never did will the will
the Kyler Murray air raid experiment work with Cliff, You know,
I think the there's a lot of it. It was
my first time watching in person. I think there's a
lot of it that's cool and going to catch people
off guard and getting of the ball and people in
space and high completion percentage. But I still think you
(32:03):
gotta be able to line up, turn around and hand
the ball to the running back and run inside zone
for four yards. Now, what happens is with with all
these college offenses stuff, because there's so many opportunities to
create big plays. You cream have a bunch of plays
that could be big plays. But when you don't, when
they're not eight sacks eight for a fast nude, that's crazy.
(32:26):
They didn't run the ball particularly well on first and
second down. They didn't really attempt it him first and
second down. So when I look at this offense, I go,
there's a lot that I love, But I still still
think you've got to be able for the pace of
the game, your offensive line, the fourth quarter, weather, at
the end of the season. You gotta be able to
turn around, hand the ball to your back, and I
didn't really see that happen once, and so I just
(32:48):
think that there's got it. There has to still be
an evolution of it to let to actually let it
completely fill in around the league. And their defense is
so weak and the way in which it plays out,
you have these short possessions and a bad defense back
out in the field that that's not good does can
snowball on you in a hurry. Jordan Palmer joining us
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Um, I don't know how
(33:09):
many people are paying attention, but Josh Allen is quietly
putting together a really really nice here. He has only
been sacked five times. It feels like they're used him
more slightly but smartly, where you know, if he doesn't
see what he likes, they're running the football with him,
you know, playing true eleven on eleven football. And I
don't know what it ends up being, but they start
(33:30):
the season three and oh, what are your thoughts on
the evolution of Josh Allen. Well, Josh is just a
guy who I think the biggest thing, and we spent
a lot of time in the last couple off seasons together,
is he's just a guy that's got to continue, uh,
to get good at figuring out ways to win. You know,
he doesn't come from a prolific high school program. He
played at Reading Junior College and then he played at
(33:51):
University of Wyoming, right, and so these weren't He's not
leaving some program where they they have a winning culture
and then it's instilled in you. And so you're taking
you know, these kids to come from Bama and these
kids come from Clemson and they go to the NFL.
They understand how to win, They understand how to prepare,
they understand how to like being close games and figure
it out. He was an underdog and like most of
(34:12):
his games growing up, and so what had you one
was having a huge rocket arm and being fast and
making plays. But that's not how you win in the league.
And so I've been so impressed with how he's just
figured out two ways to get wins. UM while he's
like just improving himself. He's thrown with anticipation better than
he ever has before. UM, he's made fewer unforced errors.
(34:35):
Particularly we saw us a lot last year and the
lot in college, rolling full speed to his right, throwing
the ball down the field a couple of big time
plays happened there, but also most of his turnovers have
been there. Getn't really done that this year, So he's
really made strides individually, but through the lens of figuring
out ways to win an ugly seventeen sixteen Week one
(34:56):
game versus the Jets where they had turnovers, right, He's
just like figuring those things out, and I just feel
like the offense will really get clicking here. Um. There's
a lot of new pieces week six, seven, eight nine,
and I think towards the second half of this year
they're gonna start beating teams that people don't think that
they should be. Sam Donald is a guy you've trained obviously.
He's a uh an Orange County kid, Um Saint clement
(35:19):
A kid, and everyone likes Sam Donald. Now he's he's
missed his last couple of weeks with mono um. But
but you know, before he got sick, I mean there's
there's thoughts, Okay, he can take the next step now
all a sudden, Daniel Jones is playing well, and there's
a question in New York whether Daniel Jones is a
better quarterback prospect than Sam Donald is. What are your
(35:40):
thoughts on Sam Donald as of this year. Well, I
mean this is just like, when's the last time he
talks about a quarterback missing games? Because Amma, right, this
is like such uncharted territory and such a new thing. Um,
But I don't think it really changes anything. When he
comes back, it's going to change the schedule and there
there you know they're there when LA columns and and
(36:02):
how that projects out for the season. But they got
a bye week. If Sam is able to come back
off this bye week, they got Philly. Um. Sam's confident.
He took a huge stride this offseason in this offense
without him Gaze Week one was ugly, but it was
it was a weird game. I was there, um, but
when they played the Bills and blew US sixteen point lead.
(36:22):
But I I have a lot of confidence in Seam.
I feel like, uh, all of this chaos and all
the stuff happening right now, guys like Sam are the
ones that persevere through it because their life is so
simple and that and they're able to compartmentalize and focus
and I don't have a lot of distractions and people
pulling in different directions, so they're able to weather the storm.
(36:44):
I would say the same thing about Daniel Jones. Very
simple guy. UM. And so with Sam, I I just
think he comes back the first week or two, he's
getting his feedback Underneathing plays well, and then I think
we're gonna see the Sam we were all hoping to see,
which is um a little a bit you know, second year,
a little bit more mature, new offense, a couple of
new weapons, and I think the middle part of this season,
(37:05):
the Jets are gonna get hot and they'll be fun
to talk about. And as far as Daniel Jones is concerned,
I've been high on Daniel Jones since I met him
to three off seasons ago. The dudes, he's a guy,
He's totally a real guy. Um, he's been developed for
five years. David cut Cliff is coach at Duke and
his private quarterback coach David Morris does a great job
(37:27):
with guys. So he's been developed for five years, not
to mention time with the Mannings. All he needs now
is experience. This won't be too big for him. It's
not the bright lights are gonna be too bright for him.
And uh, you know, it's been one game, but I
I think that he's going to be a big time
NFL quarterback. Is they're saving Josh Rosen by that? I mean, like, look,
(37:48):
he's been through I think three different coordinators at u C.
L a um To last year in Arizona, new offense,
new system he's under Darrest last year, awful offensive line
this year are much the same. I thought there were moments,
especially early in that Cowboy game, where he looked good,
but he just you know, this is almost an untenable situation.
(38:10):
I just wonder if he can, ever he can come
out of it and ever live up to the massive hype. Yeah,
I mean, I definitely think he can. I just don't
think this team, this period in time, with all that's
going on in Miami, is a good way to do
that at all. I'm just so bad for the guy.
It's tough. You know. We used to think that a
first round pick only getting three or four years, it
(38:32):
was a short lease. Dude was the tenth pick in
the draft and got traded a year later on the day,
like what. And I understand the circumstances and all that,
but I mean, you look at when my brother came
into the league. He was the number one pick and
they didn't play him the snap his whole rookie year
because they wanted him to sit and watch and learn.
Like that was the exact amount of time that Rosen got.
(38:55):
It's crazy. So he just had an uphill battle. Man,
that was that was an unwinnable situation in Arizona that
he was in last year. Obviously, Miami's I'm not saying
Miami's a disaster because I do think that that Chris
Greer has a big picture plan here, but playing quarterbacks
with the Dolphins right now as a disaster um and
(39:15):
uh and particularly with what's at stake, and so look,
I think he needs to continue to play and get better.
And then I think he'd be a guy who would
go and even just back somebody up for a year
just to get a year off, to just figure out
how you're going to play in this league all that stuff.
But I would hate to see him, you know, uh
go to a different spot or another bad situation year
(39:37):
year three, because then they started looking at this going, man,
is this this thing might be broken? Because he certainly
has what it takes to be a guy. Awesome stuff
from Jordan Palmer check him out. He's a college finnalysts
for Fox Sports and the NFL for stadium. He's also
obviously a quarterback guru Jordan. Great stuff, dude, Thanks for
joining us. Thanks
Thanks for listening to the best of the Doug Gottlieb
Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday
from three to six pm Eastern Time that's twelve to
three Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station
for the Doug Gottlieb Show at Fox Sports Radio dot com,
or stream us live every day on the I Heart
Radio app by searching fs R. This is the best
(00:22):
of the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Boom
Up America. Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to
you from the Sunny City of Angels. The Doug Gottlieb
Show is brought to you by Farmers. At Farmers, we've
seen almost everything. Soon uncover almost anything when it's game time.
(00:42):
Have an experienced player help you stay at the game.
Put their experience in plant Farmers dot com are Farmers
here we go. The massive overreaction to yesterday credit me
and me alone. I know uh that um Isaac Lowen
crow On was on updates yesterday and John Ramos both
(01:04):
agreed with my picks. My pick which was the Redskins,
But only I, the whimsical wizard of me, told you
that it would be I said bigly. I used the
president's word, which I think sometimes people think says big league,
or maybe he says big league, but it sounds like
big lee. This was a complete and utter mismatch. The
(01:25):
Redskins stink and the Bears are remarkable on defense, average
on at quarterback, and decent enough on offense. Right, and
so they went by a sizeable margin. Jake Gruden was
already on the hot seat, but now it becomes incredibly obvious.
(01:48):
Stop me if you've heard this before, but maybe case
Keenum isn't good enough at quarterback. Remember the people in
Minnesota when uh, when they signed Kirk Cousins, and Kirk
Cousins had a quote unquote disappointing season last year, throwing
for over four thousand yards. Maybe we should have stuck
with case Keenum. Yeah, how that worked for the Rams?
How did that work for the Broncos? How did that
(02:11):
work for now the Washington Redskins. I mean, there's no
greater sign you're going to get fired than if you
announced case Keenum as you're starting quarterback to start the season.
Don't believe me. Look what happened in l A with
the Rams. Look what happened in Denver and what's likely
to happen with the Washington Redskins. Pretty mark wouldn't all
(02:35):
three coaches he started the season as the starter for.
And I'm throwing in the fact that it looks like
Jake Gruden six years time, probably up that all three
coaches and ultimately get the acts. Pretty interesting. Then there's
the other quarterback, Mitch Trabinsky or Mitchell Trabisky, whatever you
(02:56):
wanna call him. He wasn't great. Matter of fact, I
can make the case that they hadn't even really been
very good. Now I laid out for you going back
a couple of weeks ago, a couple weeks ago, that
how they came to draft Mitchell Robinsky. But the end
of the game, I mean, you look at the numbers,
(03:16):
and it wasn't terrible. Thirty one to thirty one, three touchdowns,
one interception. They were up twenty eight to three and
a half, and they cruised to a victory. And and
here's the thing, I know that they are forever going
to be known as the team that passed on not one,
(03:37):
but two star quarterbacks. Deshaun Watson was in that draft,
and of course Pat Mahomes was in that draft, and
Matt Naggy coming from Kansas City, runs essentially the same offense,
with well two big differences. One the talented wide receiver
in tight end that they have in Kansas City. But two,
and this is most importantly, the quarterback is different. They're
(03:59):
gonna be the team that traded up to draft a
quarterback that didn't draft Pat Mahomes. You gotta live with that.
But that's not what today should be about. That's not
what last night should be about. That's not what their
season should be about. The Bears are two and one.
If you want to make the case they almost lost
to the Denver Broncos, that's fine if that's the case.
They almost beat the Green Bay Packers, and they'd beat
(04:21):
three and oh remember last year they won their division,
got a home home home game and lost. But the
fact is that the Bears have rebuilt themselves as a
defensive juggernaut. And I want you to ask yourself this,
in the thirty five years, right, wasn't it thirty five
years since they won a Super Bowl? They've been They've
been the playoffs eleven times, including last year, so ten
(04:45):
out of thirty four years they've been. But in the
in all of this time, even going back to when
they won a Super Bowl and eighty five, or when
they appeared in Super Bowl against Peyton Manning and Rex
Grossman was their quarterback. When did the Bears have a
dynamic offense and a dynamic quarterback like we remember the
(05:09):
Bears because the defense was the best historically in the league,
maybe in the history of the league. They also had
Walter Payton at all time great. They had William the
Refrigerator Perry, who they gave the ball to instead of
Walter Payton in the Super Bolts score touchdown. They annihilated
everything in their path. We remember Jim McMahon, but that's
(05:29):
because he fought the league. That's because he was a
wild child, not because he was a great quarterback. And
so I guess my point is not I'm not gonna
sit here and convince you Mitchell Robinsky is a top
ten quarterback. I'm not. His numbers were efficient last night.
He played well enough. He had three touchdowns, one interception.
They laughed. They they won going away, and they were
(05:51):
helped by the fact that the other teams that they've played,
both in Denver and now in the Skins, don't have
a good enough quarterback. I know they missed on a superstar.
They missed on a guy who might set every record
in the history of the league, and that one that
it's gonna be hard to live down. But that shouldn't be.
(06:14):
How you look at the Bears right now, is he
good enough? What does your job require of you? Passing
yards second to last and pass per attempt only, averaging
a D nine three passing yards per game. And you
sit there and you're like, man, he threw for fewer
(06:36):
yards last night and yards pert tempt than both Carson
Wentz and Dak Prescott did against the exact same crummy
Redskins defense. The Bears defense force five turnovers, including one
interception return four a touchdown, so they want they won
in spite of not because of Mr Drabinsky. But you
know what, when you have that defense, when you have
(06:59):
what they have around you, you don't have to throw
for four hundred yards, You don't have to line up
every time and run oop to you, you don't have
to trick people and fool people. You can be conservative
and you could have an average at best quarterback and
still have a spectacular team. Yes, the Chiefs have Pat Mahomes.
(07:25):
The Chiefs smartly sat Pat Mahomes and he learned. He
became a pro, and Alex Smith trained him, and they
had they put a good roster around him, and they
might have the best skilled position players in the entire league.
But the chief's going back to last year even to
this year, they need him to score thirty five a game.
They need him to be just a freak of nature.
They have no chance of winning otherwise that's not what's
(07:47):
what's what's needed from Mr Drobinsky. Drabinsky simply has to
read the defense, deliver the ball, get it to guys
in space, try and not take negative plays, run out
of trouble, don't run it over, be smart. Occasionally make
a big play when they call an explosive But outside
of that, the defense is awesome, the play calling is creative,
(08:10):
and now that they have a relatively decent kicking game,
he just needs to not lose them the game. And
if you don't think that that works in the NFL,
I give you rest Grossman. That work got you. So
just remember what Matt Naggi said after they lost to
the Packers is a little combination of everything you know.
(08:32):
I think, uh again, I give credit to to coach
Patton on defense. I said it to you guys last year.
He's a good defensive coordinator and he does a lot
of good things, and they do some things personnel wise
that they're able to do. He's always done that, um
and so uh. But at the same time, you know,
I just I think that whether it was in the
run game, I know we had a bunch we ended
(08:52):
up throwing a lot more than passing, and for whatever
reason we did, that's not what we want. That's how
we want. We want to be a running team. We
want our quarterback to run it pack. Even last night,
they still, you know, David Montgomery is not really a
guy who they want to have carry the ball times,
but they'd like to figure out the way to do that.
(09:13):
They wont with the Redskins scoring a late touchdown and
having to go for two. It wasn't as close as
the final score. They played to their strengths as what
professionals do, and they won the game in their two
and one. I don't I get that he's not Pat Mahomes.
It may save them fift twenty million dollars a year
(09:34):
that he's not Pat Mahomes if they choose to stand
by Mr Rabinsky. Is Mitt Drabinsky great? No? Is he bad? No?
Is he good enough? I think the answer actually is yes.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Dot
Leap Show week days in noon eastern three pm Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
Let's welcome to Chris Sims course. Uh Football Night in America,
(09:56):
and you can see him covering Notre Dame football as well.
It's Doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Chris,
I want to get to your thoughts on Notre Dame
in Georgia. But Michigan's problems are they fixable? Um? Just
from what I've seen with Michigan, I don't know if
they are fixable. I don't know. The offense definitely lacks creativity.
(10:19):
Uh that's probably really been a theme of you know,
Jim Harbaugh's career. Uh. So I look at it that way.
I don't look at Shaye Patterson as being a big
difference maker. I don't look at Michigan in general and
just go wow, look at all the athletes all over
the field. You know, their sound, they're well coached, their
defense plays good. But I mean again, you know, you
(10:41):
just look at the NFL draft the last two years,
there's not exactly like skill players from Michigan spilling over
to the NFL and we're like, oh, please, wow, this
is overload of Michigan skill guys. I just think they
depend on kind of beating you up physically and winning games, uh,
through sound football, and that's just not gonna get it
done every game, weekend, week out in college football and
especially in the Big Ten. Let's get to Notre Dame. UM.
(11:04):
I know they don't want to collect moral victories, but
it did feel like one. Maybe they have a moral
victory against Clemson. Last time they played Georgia came down
to one play. Uh, but just watching it from where
from my vantage point, felt like a hell of football team. Uh.
Two teams loaded with athletes, and Notre Dame played them
not to a draw, but pretty close to what I
(11:25):
feel like to you, Yeah, I'm in the same way.
You know, I'm a little disappointed in the fact that,
you know, I thought Notre Dame might be able to
run the ball. More was a little surprised they didn't
try to run the ball. I thought one of their
great advantages they have is they have a fairly complex
running game scheme as compared to most of college football. Uh.
(11:46):
And not that I expected them to go in there
and just steamrolled Georgia or anything like that, but you
know the fact is they couldn't get any running game
going and it made them one dimensional. I do give
it a little bit of a moral victory for Notre Dame.
You know, people don't want to believe in Notre Dame's talent,
and I want to go Notice they got an NFL
tight end. You know, they got NFL offensive lineman. You know,
(12:08):
Chase Claypooler receiver is going to be an NFL wide receiver.
They got NFL thebeast. You saw. They were not out
athleted against Georgia, if anything, maybe just a little outsize
and physical to a degree. I think that was a
little bit of a surprise to me. But defense played well,
Ian Booked did a lot of good things. Like I said,
I just a little disappointed in their run game or
lack thereof. Take from like awesome college quarterback. I don't
(12:35):
look at him as being a first round talent as
far as NFL quarterback. I need to study him, Doug
like I haven't like done a draft study. But my
early I would tell me that he's a fringe NFL
starter slash really awesome backup quarterback. But I don't think
he's in the class of a guy like to Uh
(12:56):
or Justin Herbert up in Oregon. I don't think I
see anything elite as far as physical ability. You know,
good athletes, but nothing great. Just the solid college quarterback athlete.
Arm is good. But I'm not gonna sit here and
go wow, he's making wow throws all over the field.
You know, let's not forget he's gonna look a little
(13:17):
bit better because he does have a ton of NFL
players around him at Georgia, whether it's running back, receivers, lineman,
defensive players, and of course a great coaching staff that's
been accumulated there. But still really good football player. But yeah, Doug,
we'll talk about this more when it comes draft time
and he's he is draft eligible, we can get in
this conversation. But yeah, that would be my early TV
(13:38):
scouting outlook on him. Chris Sim's joining us in the
Doug Gottlieb Show. Let's get the Football Night in America.
Brown's rams uh, Brown's obviously everyone's pointing out the fourth
and nine draw call there there. There have been some
people who are kind of coming on board with me,
which is like, hey, ya, no, Baker hasn't been hasn't
been great, maybe not close to as good as retirees.
(14:00):
Let's start with Baker Mayfield. How much of it is
on him? How much of it is on the play calling? Well,
I think a good amount you gotta put on Baker Mayfield.
I think Baker Mayfield and head coach Freddie Kitchen are
kind of still finding their way in the NFL. And
Baker has from preseason game number three down in Tampa
Bay been a little off just throwing the football, and
really the first time I've ever seen him be off
(14:22):
in his career, even dating back to Oklahoma. And when
I say off, I mean, yeah, you know there's a
guy there that I've seen Baker Mayfield, you know, throw
it into a tight window and throw a strike like
twenty times in his NFL career, and now he's made
a few throws lately where you know, it's not a strike,
it's just on the outside edge and it's a ball
where it's just off target. That way. The biggest thing
(14:43):
I think that's a little concern to me with Baker Mayfield, though,
through the first three weeks more than anything, is just
a little bit jumpy in the pocket, you know, leaves
the pocket when he doesn't need to. Uh, if the
first guy is not open, kind of panics, Hey, just
sit there. There's a lot of times where it's three
and four man rushes the pockets clean, the first guy's
got open, and he moves for some reason. Um, So
(15:06):
they are finding their rhythm as an offense. I think
Freddie Kitchen is trying to find out, you know, kind
of what their mantra on the offensive side of the
ball will be. Because right now, even though I like
that they finally stayed patient with the run game a
little last week, it does look like it's just an offensive. Hey,
let's call this play because we practice it. Let's call
that play because we practice it. There's no planned attack
(15:28):
or tying together a plays and concepts that I that
I see quite yet. Yeah, I I I said yesterday
that and you tell me if you Chris Simms joining
us on the Dug Outling Show, I said yesterday and again,
you guys, you know, feel free if I'm way off.
You can take a chance with an undersized quarterback who
has a good football mind. But look, he's still an experience.
(15:48):
He's gotten confused here. First three, you can take a chance.
You can take a chance with an unproven head coach
and by the way, it's really hard to be a
head coach and a play call. You can take that chance.
You can take a chance with the ego Odell Beckham Jr.
And spending money at skill positions while while not spending
as much money or as much attention on the offensive line.
But but if you spend, if you take all of
(16:10):
these chances combined. Now of a sudden, you're seeing that
with the Browns, it's not one thing, it's a bunch
of different stuff, and it's one of the reasons that
this team is kind of not balanced. I couldn't agree more.
And you know, to to speak to your point even
further in detail. You know, that's what a great offense is.
A great offense has one thing they do really good, right,
(16:33):
and then they force you to adjust to it. And
then when you adjust, they go, oh, now they've made
the adjustment and we got planned B and C to
screw them over. Just look at the RAMS. The RAMS
formula is not complicated. Speed sweet fake the speed sweep,
give it to Todd Curley, fake the speed sweep, fake
Todd Gurley, play action pass wide open, fake the speed sweep,
(16:55):
fake Todd Gurley, fake play action pass screen to the
running back. So it doesn't take much, but you've got
to find something that you're really good at. And then
now the defense has to play outside their comfort zone
because they go, oh, I don't know how we're gonna
stop that unless we change what we do. And that's
what a great offense does, and then that filters into
other great things as you go along. Chris Sam's joining
(17:17):
us in the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I think a lot of people are conflating two things.
They see that the Bears traded up and took Mr
Drabinsky instead of Deshaun Watson and Pat Mahomes, and they're like,
that was a bad decision. Fair, right, in hindsight those
two are better. Maybe in foresight those two are better,
(17:38):
But but it's Drabinsky good enough? Like does it for
the Bears? Does it really matter? That's a fair question.
And you know, also to what you're saying, it's not
Drabinsky's fault that they misevaluated every all all the quarterbacks
that year and took him a number two. It's just
not his fault. If you want to blame anybody, blame
(17:59):
Brian Pay for that, you know. And I I respect
for the GM Ryan pace there in Chicago because he's
built a really good football team. They can still win
with mittel Robinski. Of course they can. They win eleven
and three with them last year. He led them down
to kick an easy game winning field goals and the
double doink against the Eagles. Played really well in that
playoff game, I mean, one of his best games of
(18:20):
the year, and certainly answered the bell when he needed two.
Most I think there's like two things Matt n Age.
I do believe it's been a little overrated as an
offensive play call or we just said, oh, he's great
because they won games last year and he came from
Andy Reid, so he was anointed an offensive genius right there.
I'm just telling you, I like his offense. But I
watched it on film almost every week, and I never
(18:42):
really come away going WHOA, that was like an amazing attack?
Like WHOA. I saw some plays in this game plan
that I've never seen before, let alone I think their
talent on the offensive side of the ball is a
little overrated to go with it. You know, offensive line solid,
but you saw last night. Their run games nothing special.
There's no special running back receivers are all good, but
(19:06):
they're not the type of guys that like defenses are
going whoa if we don't double team Alan Robinson or
Taylor Gabriel, We're gonna lose. The game's over. It's not
that type of talent. So I think all of that's
been a little overrated. People have caught onto matten Age,
Mitchell Drabinsky has not been perfect, but did some good
things last night, And uh, they don't have to be
(19:27):
over overly complicated. The thing I liked about last night
more than anything, Doug, is they at least it wasn't
just a role of decks of plays. The game plan
early was let's just throw it's short, let's be efficient.
We'll throw a wide receiver, screens, little pick plays underneath
play defense. You know, it kind of took the place
of their running game, and there's nothing wrong with that.
(19:49):
The New Orleans Saints have made a career out of
finding a lot of bullcrap ways to throw the ball.
Five yards to Alvin Kamara or hey, Drew, look over here.
But this is all window dressing because I want you
to throw it over here to Michael Thomas. I think
a little more of that has to go on in
Chicago to help me with true bisky out. I think
that's what the offense is calling for. And uh yeah,
they can play through their defense and still be a
(20:10):
very dangerous football team. I I completely and totally agree
with you. Um I don't know if you've seen the
tape yet, but the Kyle Allen thing kind of interesting
right here, right. I mean, Kylin was a highly touted recruit,
Goes Day and and he actually beat out Kyler Murray,
but then they started splitting time. He leaves, goes to Houston,
(20:31):
and now you have Cam who is still not gonna
be healthy this week. And it's really hard to tell
because the Cardinals aren't very good. But is Kyle Allen
a better quarterback right now than Cam Is? Well? Yeah,
I mean at this moment, I mean yes, because the
one thing we learned in the first two weeks of
(20:51):
the year, I mean, Carolina the football team played good football.
They could have won the first two games. It was
there to be had In Week one, again of the
rams certainly there to be had against the Tampa Bay
Buccaneers on that Thursday night game. The flaw of the
team those first two weeks was Cam Newton. And I
don't like saying that because I think Cam Newton is
(21:11):
like a really really special player. But he missed throws
and made reads, uh in those games that were just inexcusable.
And of course now we know he wasn't totally healthy,
and of course he was battling with coming back from
the shoulder injury to begin with, But man did he
missed a lot of throws those first two weeks. And
they have an offense with Norv Turner who's he's formulated
(21:32):
a pretty good game plan. They got a sneaky talent.
You know, they still got a Olsen at tight end,
but Curtis Samuel and d J. Moore a wide receiver,
pretty damn good old lines getting there. So at the
very least, he took advantage of what was there to
be had, which had not happened the first two weeks
with Cam Newton. Am I ready to anoint him the
starting quarterback of the Carolina Panthers. Absolutely not. I still
(21:54):
think a healthy hitting out off all cylinders. Cam Newton
is the most dangerous Carolina Panthers team we've seen, but
he just got to get healthy. And at least now
they have the confidence of a guy like Kyle Allen
to where they don't have to throw Kim Newton back
out there at eighty five. This can give them the
confidence to let him heal up, let him get back
to the guy that we know he's capable of being,
(22:16):
and hopefully they can string together some wins in the meantime.
Lamar Jackson looks so good weeks one, week two, and
I know that people look at the final numbers like
it wasn't bad, but but it was bad. You know,
even though those two completions which is like fifty yards
were complete miracle Larry Rahail Mary's luck. Um, I think
that's the real Lamar Jackson right. Still can run it
(22:36):
and can make some throws, but if you play him right,
he can just be so inaccurate short and underneath. I
just we just didn't get a sense of who he
was because of who he was playing against and how
they kind of overwhelmed him. Is that is that a
is that a fair amount of analysis? I I think
it's a fair amount of analysis. I think there's some
other things that we need to blame on the Baltimore Ravens,
you know, philosophy of that game anyways. I mean, you know,
(22:59):
I've said this a little this week already. Baltimore tried
to go into Kansas City and out Kansas City in
Kansas City and that just ain't gonna happen. It's like
they came out the show like, oh no, we're gonna throw.
We're the greatest show on turf. We're gonna come out
throwing and show you what we're all about. I I
really thought the overall game plan for the Baltimore Ravens
(23:20):
played right into the Chiefs hands. And in the first half,
what was Lamar Jackson eight for nineteen something like that.
You know. Then they start the second half they run
the ball every play and smash it down the throw
to the Kansas City Chiefs. So I think they got
a little enamored with the matchup, the way their offenses
and playing. You know, hey, they tried at the end
(23:40):
of the first half to to go down and throw
the ball six straight times and they leave a minute
in eighteen seconds left on for Patrick Mahomes, who then
goes down and kicks the field goal before the half.
It just wasn't a Baltimore Ravens type of game to me,
especially starting off with going for two points to start
the game. I just they haven't and that all year.
But now we're gonna be insanely aggressive and the toughest
(24:04):
environment we played all year. No, that's not what you're
made for. The Baltimore Ravens are famous because of their
run game, their defense, and then Lamar Jackson strikes from there,
and I think they kind of put the what do
I want to say, the egg before the chicken or
the chicken before the egg here where they went, No,
we're gonna come out fire Lamar Jackson and show them
we can throw the ball, and then we're gonna go
(24:25):
back to what we do. And at that point it
was too little, too late, and they were down thirty
and thirteen. Car before Horse. Yeah that's a good one too.
I like that before Car before Horse. Great great stuff.
As always, man really appreciates join us. You're the man, Doug.
I'll talk to you. See you next week. Christimas Football
Night in America. He covers Notre Dame Football be sure
to catch live editions of the Doug Dot Leaps Show
(24:47):
week days at noon Eastern three pm Pacific. I happen
to send Cindy kats are book or a text like
we have. Jordan palm Run Yeah, you know NFL and
college football analysts for Fox Sports and Stadium and he's
also quarterback guru, a trainer for some of the elites
at the high school, the college and pro level. Jordan
Bomber joins us in the Doug Got Leave Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Uh help me out with Mitch Mitchell Drabinsky. Okay,
(25:12):
I know him great, dude. I understand that the Bears
a lot of his personality was a big reason that
they draft him, that they liked him, and that he
hadn't played a lot of college football. UM, I think
it'd be safe to say that, you know, whether it's
Deshaun Watson or Pat Mahomes, he's not the best quarterback
of that class, even though he was the second pick
in that in that draft. My big question is forget
(25:35):
all that, is he good enough for them to win big?
With Jordan's it was too long question just switched over
to me. I just got you, Sorry about that, Um, Okay,
George Mitch Robinski, He's He's not Pat Mahomes, probably not
(25:57):
Deshaun Watson. But is he good enough for what the
Bears need? You know, I think what they need and
there's there's costs, and then there's opportunity costs like in business,
and um, I think he's good enough to do what
they need. And if if you think what they need
is build an amazing defense and have a guy who
can you know, problem solve and get you all the
(26:19):
way to the end of the you know, get you
all the way the Super Bowl. But then but you
have to look at opportunity costs and who they passed
on that year. UM, and Mahomes is changing the way
that the NFL has played offensively. UM And Deshaun sure
looks like a guy who uh And I've worked with
Deshawn's high school, so I've I've been a believer this
for a long time. But like, if you just give
(26:40):
him an opportunity to win a championship, he probably will. Um.
I never I never got exposed to any of that
about Mitch. You know, I never heard that he won
championships and he's little, or that he completely turned around
anything or he was game changing. So I think he
can do the things with Maggie and the defense and
some of the skill positions. But it's just gonna be
hard to ever look at it without an asterisk when
(27:00):
you look at these other two dudes. So they picked
way ahead of Yeah, Yeah, I know it's it's a
it's a hard burden to carry, but he is a
good enough dude maybe to carry it. All. Right, let's
let's let's talk Pat Mahomes. You said he's how is
he changing the NFL? Well, I just think, um, he
has he has an incredible arm, and I've spent a
lot of time with that. He's got incredible arm, but
(27:22):
he's not the first incredible arm, right, and he's got
he's got a great play caller and Andy Reid, but
he's not Andy Reid's first quarterback that he's called plays for.
So the way that they're changing the game is certain
areas on the field. He's taking the mindset that he
had in college and that he was learned in running
that aread offense of keeping it simple, start your eyes
(27:44):
with one guy, pure progression on a lot of the
stuff and everything is getting it out really really quickly,
almost before the defense has decided that defenders decided how
to cover that guy. Okay, and there's a million routes
where he could use as an example, you know, swing
out by running back out of the backfield. Typically that
ball is caught one yard in front of the line
of scrimmage. Well, they'll throw it on his third step
(28:07):
as he's not he's not even like getting a shoulders
square there, So they're they're they're taking that kind of
philosophy from air aide. But he does have a strong
enough arm, and they do have so much juice at
white out where that's how they're throwing seems that's how
they're throwing the over routes. They're also doing the traditional stuff.
And uh, you know, I was at the Cardinals Panthers
(28:27):
game and before I was talking to Cliff Kingsbury and
Pat's name came up because I got introduced to Pat
in college from Cliff. You sent him to me, and
and we both agreed the fact that and he's just
letting him play and letting him not trying to overdo
everything and jack up his footwork and change everything, is
allowing him to play really fast and really free. You
(28:49):
mentioned going to see the Cardinals game. I want to
get to Kyle Allen first. Pretty amazing day for a kid, right,
And here's a guy who highly touted from Scott's tale,
goes to M beats out Kyler Murray and then you
know they started playing Kyler and eventually they both left
at the end of that year, goes to Houston and
then he's a backup and now he comes in gets
(29:10):
his first shot against Kyler um and and by the way,
against Cliff who was there calling plays back when he
was at A and M and and not only it's
not just that he one, he lit the place up,
Like is this real? Is this sustainable? What Kyle Allen
was able to do? Let me just jump in. So
that's kind of the story. That's like everyone's trying to
(29:32):
dig and find out what this Kyle Allen kids story is. Story.
The reality is is he was the top recruit in
the country, chose Texas, A and M over everywhere, and
he started as a true freshman and they were talking
about building that thing around him. But Kyler's dad, who
played today and M and who's a lot of people
think is the greatest high school football player to ever
played in Texas which is actually relevant to me when
(29:54):
you look at the other names. Um, you know that
coach told Kyle don't worry about Murray. We're not gonna play.
I mean he told Murray, I don't worry about Allen.
You're gonna beat him out. Complete one thing, do another.
So like, how do you get too big time in
lead eleven quarterbacks to commit in back to back years
and leave within a week. It's what it ain't that
(30:15):
it ain't Kyle Field's not big enough, right if not,
the uniforms aren't cool enough. There's some real disastrous stuff
going on there. And they cleaned the house out, but
it was completely told one thing and did another. So
then he goes to Houston because Tom Herman's there and says, hey, look,
I got multiple years left on my deal. You're gonna
come here. All I need is a quarterback. You know,
(30:36):
there's all these things in place where if you know,
we went and we moved to a different conference, all
that I'm not going anywhere. So he came and he
sat out that year because he had a transference. It
out and obviously and blocked him from going anywhere in
the SEC. And he goes there and Tom Herman leaves,
which I don't blame him at all. Texas called go
do your thing, so he got. He got so twice.
(30:57):
So then major raftwide takes over and hey, where we're
gonna be our guy, and then they couldn't really so
they benched him for to Eric King. So like that,
he has been completely And what I've experienced because I've
been with in sin high school is every time he
had an opportunity to do something awesome. He did high school,
the pitch Championship games, the lead eleven, his pro day
was I don't care if it was a pro day,
it was so it was the best he'd ever thrown,
(31:20):
which is like, that's hard to do, to have your
best day when you have to have it, that's a
that's a skill. And then last year getting in there.
So I think it's honestly tell you, because I was
talking about it for three weeks leading up to it,
I'm just not surprised at all what he did the
other day. And he's going to go into Houston and
he's gonna do something similar. Okay, the goods a really
good player and he's playing for a great play caller,
(31:41):
and I think he fits North Turner as a play
caller better than Cam Newton never did will the will
the Kyler Murray air raid experiment work with Cliff, You know,
I think the there's a lot of it. It was
my first time watching in person. I think there's a
lot of it that's cool and going to catch people
off guard and getting of the ball and people in
space and high completion percentage. But I still think you
(32:03):
gotta be able to line up, turn around and hand
the ball to the running back and run inside zone
for four yards. Now, what happens is with with all
these college offenses stuff, because there's so many opportunities to
create big plays. You cream have a bunch of plays
that could be big plays. But when you don't, when
they're not eight sacks eight for a fast nude, that's crazy.
(32:26):
They didn't run the ball particularly well on first and
second down. They didn't really attempt it him first and
second down. So when I look at this offense, I go,
there's a lot that I love, But I still still
think you've got to be able for the pace of
the game, your offensive line, the fourth quarter, weather, at
the end of the season. You gotta be able to
turn around, hand the ball to your back, and I
didn't really see that happen once, and so I just
(32:48):
think that there's got it. There has to still be
an evolution of it to let to actually let it
completely fill in around the league. And their defense is
so weak and the way in which it plays out,
you have these short possessions and a bad defense back
out in the field that that's not good does can
snowball on you in a hurry. Jordan Palmer joining us
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Um, I don't know how
(33:09):
many people are paying attention, but Josh Allen is quietly
putting together a really really nice here. He has only
been sacked five times. It feels like they're used him
more slightly but smartly, where you know, if he doesn't
see what he likes, they're running the football with him,
you know, playing true eleven on eleven football. And I
don't know what it ends up being, but they start
(33:30):
the season three and oh, what are your thoughts on
the evolution of Josh Allen. Well, Josh is just a
guy who I think the biggest thing, and we spent
a lot of time in the last couple off seasons together,
is he's just a guy that's got to continue, uh,
to get good at figuring out ways to win. You know,
he doesn't come from a prolific high school program. He
played at Reading Junior College and then he played at
(33:51):
University of Wyoming, right, and so these weren't He's not
leaving some program where they they have a winning culture
and then it's instilled in you. And so you're taking
you know, these kids to come from Bama and these
kids come from Clemson and they go to the NFL.
They understand how to win, They understand how to prepare,
they understand how to like being close games and figure
it out. He was an underdog and like most of
(34:12):
his games growing up, and so what had you one
was having a huge rocket arm and being fast and
making plays. But that's not how you win in the league.
And so I've been so impressed with how he's just
figured out two ways to get wins. UM while he's
like just improving himself. He's thrown with anticipation better than
he ever has before. UM, he's made fewer unforced errors.
(34:35):
Particularly we saw us a lot last year and the
lot in college, rolling full speed to his right, throwing
the ball down the field a couple of big time
plays happened there, but also most of his turnovers have
been there. Getn't really done that this year, So he's
really made strides individually, but through the lens of figuring
out ways to win an ugly seventeen sixteen Week one
(34:56):
game versus the Jets where they had turnovers, right, He's
just like figuring those things out, and I just feel
like the offense will really get clicking here. Um. There's
a lot of new pieces week six, seven, eight nine,
and I think towards the second half of this year
they're gonna start beating teams that people don't think that
they should be. Sam Donald is a guy you've trained obviously.
He's a uh an Orange County kid, Um Saint clement
(35:19):
A kid, and everyone likes Sam Donald. Now he's he's
missed his last couple of weeks with mono um. But
but you know, before he got sick, I mean there's
there's thoughts, Okay, he can take the next step now
all a sudden, Daniel Jones is playing well, and there's
a question in New York whether Daniel Jones is a
better quarterback prospect than Sam Donald is. What are your
(35:40):
thoughts on Sam Donald as of this year. Well, I
mean this is just like, when's the last time he
talks about a quarterback missing games? Because Amma, right, this
is like such uncharted territory and such a new thing. Um,
But I don't think it really changes anything. When he
comes back, it's going to change the schedule and there
there you know they're there when LA columns and and
(36:02):
how that projects out for the season. But they got
a bye week. If Sam is able to come back
off this bye week, they got Philly. Um. Sam's confident.
He took a huge stride this offseason in this offense
without him Gaze Week one was ugly, but it was
it was a weird game. I was there, um, but
when they played the Bills and blew US sixteen point lead.
(36:22):
But I I have a lot of confidence in Seam.
I feel like, uh, all of this chaos and all
the stuff happening right now, guys like Sam are the
ones that persevere through it because their life is so
simple and that and they're able to compartmentalize and focus
and I don't have a lot of distractions and people
pulling in different directions, so they're able to weather the storm.
(36:44):
I would say the same thing about Daniel Jones. Very
simple guy. UM. And so with Sam, I I just
think he comes back the first week or two, he's
getting his feedback Underneathing plays well, and then I think
we're gonna see the Sam we were all hoping to see,
which is um a little a bit you know, second year,
a little bit more mature, new offense, a couple of
new weapons, and I think the middle part of this season,
(37:05):
the Jets are gonna get hot and they'll be fun
to talk about. And as far as Daniel Jones is concerned,
I've been high on Daniel Jones since I met him
to three off seasons ago. The dudes, he's a guy,
He's totally a real guy. Um, he's been developed for
five years. David cut Cliff is coach at Duke and
his private quarterback coach David Morris does a great job
(37:27):
with guys. So he's been developed for five years, not
to mention time with the Mannings. All he needs now
is experience. This won't be too big for him. It's
not the bright lights are gonna be too bright for him.
And uh, you know, it's been one game, but I
I think that he's going to be a big time
NFL quarterback. Is they're saving Josh Rosen by that? I mean, like, look,
(37:48):
he's been through I think three different coordinators at u C.
L a um To last year in Arizona, new offense,
new system he's under Darrest last year, awful offensive line
this year are much the same. I thought there were moments,
especially early in that Cowboy game, where he looked good,
but he just you know, this is almost an untenable situation.
(38:10):
I just wonder if he can, ever he can come
out of it and ever live up to the massive hype. Yeah,
I mean, I definitely think he can. I just don't
think this team, this period in time, with all that's
going on in Miami, is a good way to do
that at all. I'm just so bad for the guy.
It's tough. You know. We used to think that a
first round pick only getting three or four years, it
(38:32):
was a short lease. Dude was the tenth pick in
the draft and got traded a year later on the day,
like what. And I understand the circumstances and all that,
but I mean, you look at when my brother came
into the league. He was the number one pick and
they didn't play him the snap his whole rookie year
because they wanted him to sit and watch and learn.
Like that was the exact amount of time that Rosen got.
(38:55):
It's crazy. So he just had an uphill battle. Man,
that was that was an unwinnable situation in Arizona that
he was in last year. Obviously, Miami's I'm not saying
Miami's a disaster because I do think that that Chris
Greer has a big picture plan here, but playing quarterbacks
with the Dolphins right now as a disaster um and
(39:15):
uh and particularly with what's at stake, and so look,
I think he needs to continue to play and get better.
And then I think he'd be a guy who would
go and even just back somebody up for a year
just to get a year off, to just figure out
how you're going to play in this league all that stuff.
But I would hate to see him, you know, uh
go to a different spot or another bad situation year
(39:37):
year three, because then they started looking at this going, man,
is this this thing might be broken? Because he certainly
has what it takes to be a guy. Awesome stuff
from Jordan Palmer check him out. He's a college finnalysts
for Fox Sports and the NFL for stadium. He's also
obviously a quarterback guru Jordan. Great stuff, dude, Thanks for
joining us. Thanks
Host
Doug Gottlieb
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations.
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the biggest stories in news, politics and current events with intelligence and humor. From the border crisis, to the madness of cancel culture and far-left missteps, Clay and Buck guide listeners through the latest headlines and hot topics with fun and entertaining conversations and opinions.