October 11, 2019 • 35 mins
Doug explains how everything in New England has come full circle for Tom Brady and the Patriots. John Middlekauff joins the show to share his thoughts on everything happening in the NFL. Plus, Doug discusses how the Giants and Daniel Jones are big winners despite losing to the Patriots.
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All right, let's get to last night. You look at
the final score and the Pats did cover. They also
hit the over thirty four four team? Was the final
score kind of a ho hume. Game was a block kick,
there's pick six. They were fumbles. It wasn't that well played.
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The offense was an awesome Rob Gronkowski is in the
pregame show. Now sudden people are hoping and praying Rob
Gronkowski comes out of retirement. A lot to get to.
First here is here is Tom Brady himself on their
offensive issue. What's your assessment of where you guys are
as an offense right now? Do you think it's been
good enough? Uh, we'll see or six and oh so
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try to get to seven? Oh yeah, I mean, that's
the Hey, we're six and oh, just try to get
to seven and oh. They do have a massive amount
of injuries. They they've had to replace their center, they're
dealing with the backup offensive lineman. We know about the
injuries to Edelman, they had Antonio Brown for a minute.
They have other issues going on there. And to Brady's point,
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they are six and OL and they're in arguably the
worst division in football, at least the bottom two teams
are in fact putrid. So with that mind, you know that,
and the only time they'll play the Bills again will
be at home, where they'll be prohibitive favorites. They survived
the Bills when they went to Upstate New York. But
but here's the here's the thing that I find interesting.
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You ever heard how life comes full circle? Like when
we were born, we have to have somebody care for us.
We wear diapers, People have to care for even our
bodily functions. Right when we get old, we had to
have people care for us. We had to have people
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take care of our bodily function. Life does, in fact
come full circle. When you're a baby, you have to
eat food that you don't you know, it's baby food.
When you're older, sometimes you have to have people feed
do the same food because you know your teeth may
be gone, your building to chew. H death can be
something I've I went to temple that a death is
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a destination. The journey, or at least the descent into
death not always pretty. Life does come full circle, doesn't it.
Football life sometimes does as well. And maybe this is
the most impressive part about Tom Brady. Maybe this is
the secret to the secret sauce. Like everybody always wants
to know what the secret sauces isn't it usually thousand Island, right,
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And then there's a difference thousand Island and Russian dressing.
Like Russian dressing is catch up thousand Islands mayonnaise, I
giveaway secrets. The point is everyone always wants to know
the secret sauce, the secret sauces that Tom Brady understands
the circle of life. He didn't have to watch the
Lion King to know that we eat the gazelles, and
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then when we die, we become the ground which fort
lies of the grass which the gazelles eat, which the
next generation needs the gazelles. Right, the circle of life
that's what happens in the NFL, and that's what's happened
with the Patriots. We don't have to freak out about
their offense. We don't have to freak out about Tom
Brady not throwing the ball the same as he used to.
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They got it, they know it. That's why they built
the substantial running game. That's why they want him to
get rid of the football quickly. That's why they rebuilt
this defense. They knew they couldn't have it patched together
like it had been two years ago. And slowly but
surely they have the most dynamic defense and special teams
that they have had in years. And that's really the cycle,
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by the way, that was Peyton Manning when he was
with the Colts and throughout his career. When he got
to the Colts, when they first started winning and they
had Tony Dungey as their coach, they had a ferocious
Tampa two defense. And then slowly but surely he was
built around everything he could do offensively, and that continued
when he went to Denver. But when he won his
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last Super Bowl, it was solely based upon the defense,
not about paving Peyton Manning, which is where we are
with Tom. Tom Brady's not there yet, He's not to
where he can't throw the forward pass. But they built
a run game, They've rebuilt their offense. They've changed this team.
Because football life, if done right, is in fact a cycle.
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You do go from being a backup to being a starter,
to being a star, to being a star or to
being a backup. That's how it works. And for Brady,
you go from people forget when he first got to
the Patriots as their starting quarterback, which happened, what was
it nineteen years ago? Like two weeks ago. Do you
guys remember the moment. I remember the moment because it
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was the first time I'd ever done a national radio broadcast.
This is the true story. September eleven, there were no
games the next weekend. The following weekend they had games,
and I filled in for a guy named Todd Right
this show called Todd Right All Night up in Bristol.
I went to the Oklahoma Kansas State football game. Then
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I got on a plane and I flew through Cincinnati,
and I went to Bristol, Connecticut, and I had a
show on Sunday night and on Monday night. And on
Sunday I went to a bar called Sliders in Bristol, Connecticut,
and I sat there and I watched Tom Brady, excuse me,
Drew Bledsoe getting knocked out of the game by mo Lewis.
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Bledsoe was running out of bounds, I think in front
of the Patriots bench, but before he could get out
of bounds, mo Lewis clocked him and hit him so
hard that that that I mean, it would have detached
his mom's lung, That's how hard he had him. Brady
came in, but people forget that the early years of
Tom Brady, the team was built around special teams defense,
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getting rid of the ball quickly. Don't worry about We're
not gonna have him. He's just he's not gonna lose
it for us. And then slowly but surely he evolved
into being a star starting quarterback. And when he got
Randy Moss, they had the best offense we had ever
seen in the history of the sport. And then as
he's aged and as he's progressed, and as the game
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has changed, last year they worked their way to being
a power running game. Even Rob Gronkowski's life came full
circle as a as a tight end because he couldn't
outrun people. He showed his versatility as a blocker, not
just your traditional pass catching tight end. So I look
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at this Patriots team, and instead of being concerned with
the offense, I look in awe at Brady's lack of ego,
understanding where he is, understanding how this team is built,
and I marvel at the Patriots understanding the kind of
circle of life that he's going through and how to
win more championships. Tom Brady's first four seasons in the NFL,
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he had a completion percentage. He averaged six point nine
yards pert tempt. He threw for only two twenty yards
per game. He had a one point eight touchdown to
interception ratio. The next thirteen seasons the meat of the
superstar three m v PSI completion percentage seven point seven
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yards per tempt, two seventy six yards per game, three
point six TVs interceptions. But the last two seasons, where
he's been in his forties, the completion percentage still high
seven point yards some point six yards per temp two
seven yards per game. The difference is this okay, and
two point eight uh tds interceptions. The rest of the
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league's numbers have exploded in the past game and Tom
Brady's have stayed relatively the same, which is really a
decline because you have more snaps, because you have more
opportunities because people throw the ball more. In other words,
what the Patriots are doing is what they did originally.
The only difference is now you have a super experienced
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quarterback who once or twice a year can have the
juice in the tank as well as the ridiculous football
like you from playing so long and being so successful
to win a game on his own. The circle of
life is you start out in diapers and people feeding
you in a spoon, and you end up in diapers
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and people feeding you in a spoon. The circle of
football life is you start out as a facilitator, letting
everybody else's talent come out. You grow into the role
of a starter and a star, and if you want
to stick in the league as your talents wayne, you
find a way to once again let others talents come
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out and play to the best of your ability to
allow your team to win. That's the Patriots, that's Brady,
that's what they get, and others are trying to figure out.
Stop asking about the offense. It goes perfectly in line
with where they thought and what they thought they would be.
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Let's get you to JOHNMINALCOF, former NFL Scout, host of
the Three and Out podcast, Crazy successful. They've had over
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MIDICALF congrats on hitting the million, the million download mark.
Let let me ask you about last night. Patriots offense
not great, but considering the injuries short week, just surviving
is is in fact to win? How concerned should the
Pets be long term? Yeah? I don't think they should
be concerned at all. I mean, when you think about it, Doug,
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You've got Tom Brady, Josh McDaniels. They're going to figure
that out. They've also, you know, they drafted a first
round wide receiver. He's been on injured reserve. He's gonna
come back. Edelman had a big night last night. But
he'd been banged up with that riv injury or what's
ever going on. They're playing some young guys. They they're
gonna I was a big Sony Michelle guy when he
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came out of Georgia. He's clearly struggling. They got to
figure out how to use him. But if you take
a team into the playoffs led by Tom Brady and
they have a top notch defense, I don't know, statistically whatever,
they're the best defense in the league. You know, I
don't know if they have the best personnel, but they
clearly are a top five just as a unit, as
good as it guts. Who's beating them in the playoffs?
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You know, I just I think it will be very tough,
especially if they get home field advantage. Their schedules a joke.
You know, the Chiefs now more than likely are probably
gonna you know, thirteen and three or something. The Patriots
are gonna go fourteen and two. They're gonna lose the
game at Foxboro. It's just it's just really hard to see.
I think the offense, you know, for their standards, may
never be quote unquote fine, but will be good enough
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to take care of, you know, business come January. Here's
what I said. I said, it's life coming full circle.
Right when when they started this thing nineteen years ago,
Brady was facilitating and the strength of the team was
the special teams in the defense, and and they had
just enough offensively to get by. It feels like that's
kind of what they've rebuilt here. That defense is special.
The special teams are good. Obviously, they've had to replace
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their kicker, uh, and the and the offense uh is
just good enough to get by. And then of course
you have a savant where maybe his brain can when
you win you a game or two. Yeah. I look
at it like, and I talked about in the podcast
day like a diversified portfolio. You know. The one thing
the Chiefs have is, you know, they haven't played as
well last week, but they have just this elite offense,
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but their defense lets them down forever. The Patriots were
just kind of much more offensive heavy when they had
Gronk and they had Adelman and they had all these
guys in their defense was kind of a question mark.
And now that's kind of come around where Brady can
still make plays. I don't can make plays. They can
scheme guys open. They have been notorious right for running
these crazy trick plays in big spots to get them
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points when they need be. And now they're special teams. Well,
I mean their kickers out. Well, we'll see how that
plays out. But you know they're gonna be well coached
on special teams. To me, they're just they're very very
well balanced team right now. And that that to me,
when you have Belichick leading and Brady leading the charge
is a good thing. Godlic show here on Fox Sports Tradier,
that's the voice of John Mittelcoff. I predicted before the
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season would begin that Christian McCaffrey would be the best
back in the league. Am I own? Uh No, he's been.
Actually just watched some of that game back this morning.
I didn't get to see a lot of it last Sunday. A.
He was incredible. I mean he is. He is an
incredible player, he really is. I thought he was gonna
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be a dominant pass receiver. That's why I thought, like,
you know, you drafted him that high, he's gonna be
turned in to be like more of a Julian Edelman type.
But he's such a good running back. He's so strong
between the tackles, he's so fast. And you know something
that stood out to me, Dougus there was a picture
after that game Leonard Fournette took and he posted on Twitter,
and Leonard Fournette, right when he came out, was known
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as one of those old school guys that would have
thrived in like the seventies and the eighties. He was huge.
McCaffrey standing right next to him, maybe four Nette has
him by an inch, but just in terms of their
arms and their thickness, they looked like the same human being.
I think that's the most underrated part of McCaffrey's He
put on twenty five pounds, a good weight, and and
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does not look physically dominant like he used to. No,
McCaffrey is, you know, on a fast train to the
Hall of Fame. Well, let's call it what it is.
He maintains this, he's he's as well rounded of him.
Camar is pretty damn good too. I say those two
guys right now are the cream of the crop. And McCaffrey,
I guess he's battling an injury this week. But those
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guys in this modern day NFL where they throw you
the ball a lot too, they're just they're the ultimate player. Yeah,
that's it's it's it's crazy. That's John Mitelcoff joining us
in the Doug Gotlip Show. All right, uh I mentioned
moments ago. The only only thing more predictable than the
Browns dysfunction is James Bond ends up with the girl
at the end of the the movie. Right. Um, But now
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you got Jarvis Landry coming out saying, Hey, I don't
call plays, but if I did, I would get thirteen
the ball. He was asked about third and long plays,
like throw it to thirteen or throw it to eight.
So we're starting to see what we all wondered if
we would see what we would see? Right? Yeah, I
mean I was at the game on Monday night. They
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were forced feeding thirteen the ball. They were giving it
to him month end around. They were having him throw
the ball. They were trying to feed him on screen.
I actually was thinking in the stands, like are they
are they trying too hard to get Odell Beck on
the ball. But, like you said, the bigger picture, the
personalities on this team are not equipped to handle a
little adversity. The seas are getting a little rocky, and
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you're gonna start seeing people either jump off the ship
try to throw the captain over the ship. This is
not imagine being two and three. If you're the Browns,
you had playoff expectations which was nuts, you know it
was it was over the top. But now it's pretty
clear the division kind of sucks. Steelers are playing who
knows who at quarterback. Never even heard of the guy,
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never never heard of him, never heard of him. I
mean I follow this stuff for a living. I've never
heard of him. I've been if I text guys in
the league, they wouldn't really have a great feel for
the guy. But that's that's the nature, right of having
a four string quarterback Like this guy was brought originally
to be a quote unquote camp arm you know, I
mean really he wasn't supposed to make it, probably out
of O t let alone training camp. And I mean
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it's taking multiple injuries right for this to get there.
But that's that I got news for you for the
Cleveland Browns, Like that's a good thing. Like these the
cards are starting to be, you know, go fall in
your favor. So but here's the problem. You play Seattle
and then you play New England. It's not out of
the round possibility in the in seven days or I
guess ten days from now the Browns are two and five,
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because they're two and three right now. They play Seattle
at home. Seattle is pretty darn good last time I checked,
and then clearly New England's pretty good, and they're gonna
be coming off what Thursday games, so extra time. I'd
say that's advantage Belichick. Cleveland better win this weekend or
they are in massive trouble. By the way, Delvin Hodges
through for four thousand yards twice, three thousand nine or
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eighty three yards and granted at one double A level.
But he Sanford, Okay, so I get, you know, to
get maybe he started, we started four started, you know,
I mean three times First team also con three times,
so con Offensive Player of the Year. And you ever
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thought I think he thought starting quarterback Pittsburgh Steelers now
only starting CIBA like starting quarterback. Like we're like week
six weeks seventeen eighteen. Right, you could argue this start
for him is the biggest moment in the history of
Stanford football, Right, I'd have to I don't know enough
about Sanford football. I do know basketball wise, that kind
of ironically, the starting point guard at Louisville last year
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and the starting point guard in Arizona last year. We're
both former starters at Sanford. It definitely feels like, more
often than not in basketball, the smaller school guys kind
of thrived, especially at Power five schools, than these D
one double A quarterbacks or even players go on to
have a lot of success in the NFL, just because
the Power five and even the you know, the Fresno
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States and the Boise States of the world seem to
produce more of the NFL guys in the smaller schools.
Jimbo Fisher and Bobby Bowden both Alumps, and Courtland Finnegan
while all alums of of Sanford so a theater school
for Florida Space. Yeah yeah, Courtland fin again, Jimbo Fisher,
Bobby Bowden, um, a couple of others, but but nobody
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of serious serious No graduated about you mean fog Horn.
You mean fog Horn Leghorn. I tell you, I tell you,
I'll tell you. Well. Uh, he was born in nineteen
twenty nine, so I'm guessing it was in like fifty one.
He probably graduated right fifty one. Oh no, didn't have
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that great stat now, hold on, hold on This is weird.
It says Bobby Bowden is listed as going to Alabama
and then transferring to Howard in Alabama. Doesn't say anything
about Sanford. Sanford claims him. Oh Howard, Well, Howard College,
it used to be known as Howard College. Knowledge. I
did and I did not. I did not know that
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weird wacky wild stuff in Homewood, Alabama. Homewood, Alabama, all right.
Speaking of the Niners, Um, they for real? Uh when
they're healthy, for sure? I mean their defense is top notch.
Kyle's as good as it gets as a play caller.
I think it's gonna be somewhat hard to judge him
this game that they lost another tackle, Joe Staley, Mike McGlinchey.
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They're starting a guy, Doug from the a f IS.
They're starting right tackle and the Rams. But did he
go to Sanford? But did he go to Sanford? Wouldn't
shock me if he did? You know this guy or
I mean the Rams. You can't afford to have three
loss They lost three games all that season. You have
three losses by mid October when the forty Niners would
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be five and oh and Seattle. Potentially they win this
game you'd be in trouble. They just make the playoffs,
let alone compete for the division. So this game me
and in l A. The Niners are playing with a
little house money, given that they start the season at
four and oh and their schedule. They got the Redskins
next week and then they got you know, the Panthers,
who actually might be decent, but they're still that's Kyle Allen.
This is a different animal, you know. I think the
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Niners aren't for real and expect them to lose this game.
Really yeah, just because it lost. They leave the league
in rushing right now. And they handled losing Staley okay,
but you lose McGlinchey, who is you know, one of
the better young offensive linemen in the league. And you
lose Kyle use Check which for most teams before, but
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they used them in the past game they line them up.
I mean, I thought, I thought they did a good
job on Money Night of showing all the different ways
they use them. And with youth, Check and Kittle, they're
running games so dominant because they basically have seven offensive lineman.
Those two guys just destroyed people in the run game.
And Kittle, now they're going to ask them to like
help both offensive tackles and carry their passing game. And
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I'm sure they line them up a little in the backfield,
like you can only use him so many different ways. Uh,
it's and again to me, it's more about the Rams desperation.
You fall three and three and get you'd already have
multiple offices. One would be Seattle and one would be
the Niners. You would basically kiss the division by and
you would just be talking about, you know, competing for
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the wild card. I just think they're desperation their team,
you know, I get they missed the field goal, and
we talked about it last week. They were a miss
kick away from the conversation being completely different their offense.
While girl is a shell of himself. Gerald Everett kind
of coming into the fold. He was. I was looking
at it. I had forgotten he was a second round pick,
you know. I mean, this guy was pretty highly talented.
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Little hand. Cooper cups Cooper Cooper cups on pace for
like a hundred fifty catches. Robert Woods a good player.
They're passing games still really good. So if the Niners
struggled to run the ball a little bit, which would
kind of be expected with all these injuries, I think
that leose be able to outscore them. The Vikings figure something. Well,
I mean they're playing the Giants, you know this will
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be a test game in Minnesota. The Eagles corners stink.
If Kirk Cousins can't throw it on these guys, we
got a problem. I like the Eagles in this game
just because I'm kind of picking culture and just their
hallen and I'm betting against Cousins. But if you're a
Vikings fan, you should be like, listen, we're playing at home.
We I saw Zach Brown of the Eagles just kind
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of said, like Cousins is not that we don't know this,
but you just don't usually hear players say this like
Cousins their weak link. They got stud receivers, their run
game is dominant. Uh, it's it's him. And I mean
we all we talked about it all the time. But
the Vikings, you're paying this guy all this money. If
you can't hit passes against this team, given that they
struggle to cover people, we might just be talking about
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the most talented team. Now be two straight years of
say goodbye to the playoffs. Yeah, it's it's it's really
fascinating to see how much he limits them, and we'll
see if it's if it's play calling. They they if
they figured something out obviously against the depleted um a
depleted Giants team last week. What about the Cowboys and
their struggles, Like you don't have your tackles, You're going
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against a good defense. But do you think how much
of it do you think is play calling? How much
do you think is deck? Well, I think Kellen Moore,
anytime you're first time coordinator and you're a really really
young guy, it's one thing if you're a first time coordinator,
but you've been a coach for fifteen years. This guy,
despite and I'm a big Kellen Moore fan up than
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when I was a j at Fresno State, he's one
of the best college players I've ever seen. He's clearly
comes from the background, but there is an experience level.
And Jason Garrett, you know, despite being an offensive guy,
I don't think he brings that much to the table
when it comes to dynamic scheming. So he faced the
last two weeks, Mike Petton and Dennis Allen, the two
higher level of defensive coordinators, did have pretty loaded rosters.
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This is a different animal. The Jets think, and I
think it's everyone's acting like Sam Donald's gonna come back
and just hit the ground running. He's been sick for
a while. He hasn't played now in a month and
a half. I think it's a it's gonna be pretty
difficult for them just to come back to Cowboys, who
I thought coming into the season, and I thought this
two weeks ago before they started getting their butt kick
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had a chance to win the NFC and the roster,
even with the injury, should still run circles around the Jets.
If they struggle with the Jets this weekend, it might
be time to throw kind of a red flag and
be like, well, actually the Cowboys aren't quite as good
as we think, and if they beat him, we'll just
say they beat up a bad team. But to me,
it will be a good sign that they kind of
got their mojo back. Did you did you hear what
Callahan said, but he took over with the Redskins. He said,
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Dwayne Haskins is not a candidate to be the starting quarterback.
Not a candidate now, I don't know. And you're when
you're the interim guy, usually you try and do everything
the owner wants like, start the young guy, what is it's? What?
What are you hearing about Dwayne Haskins in terms of
his long term future and viability. One thing that I
had heard is the coaching staff and the people in
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the building just thought that he kind of came in
a little big headed in terms of just my building.
I own it. I'm a first rounder, I'm from Ohouse State.
You guys are just hand me the rock. And clearly
Jade that Jay didn't want him in the first place.
So did Bill Callahan. You know, if you go back
and look at Bill Callahan's resume, I don't know if
that's really what he's into now. Like you said, you
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would think when they named Bill Callahan the interim, he
would acquiesce to what management wanted. But what were there
other what were they gonna do? Named Jim tom Seulla
the coach like he was the only real real candidate,
rob Ryan, Like, what were their options? I also think
that this guy is just not He's just not very good,
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you know, in terms of the transition from college of
the pro Clearly they think it's true he's a grand
canon gap of just understanding the offense of knowing what's
going on their team is not very good, so you're
putting this guy in a position where he's gonna fail.
I don't think it's that nuts because now we have
multiple voices saying the same thing. So if it was
one guy who's like, well, Jake Gruden hated him, he
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didn't want to draft him, now it's the other guy
that's saying that, you could argue he's even saying it's worse, like, yeah,
he's not we don't want him, we want him no
part of the starting quarterback. But I actually kind of
like the Dolphins this weekend. I would love, and I
mean love to see the Dolphins win this game. I
would too. I think they're I think they're gonna win
the game. Those guys play hard, they do, they actually
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play hard. I don't know where you stand on this,
but I saw a quote from Rosen that he's like
he understands that this year is a tryout year because
they're just going to draft a quarterback. You know, whatever
you think about josh at U c l A and
just his personality or whatever, he's had a kind of
a crazy first two years, no question, no, no, I
mean like he had. For people who don't remember he
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had a different coordinator every year at U c l A. Okay,
he got hurt every year at U c l A
because they had a terrible offens line. And then he
gets drafted by the Cardinals. They have a terrible offensive
line by uh the first offensive coording at last what
half the year, not even I think it was like
seven games, five games. Then they promote Buyer Left, which
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you've never been a coordinator before. Both the vote the
two coordinators were had never been coordinated before, no offensive
line at all. Then he then they tell him, hey,
you're a guy. You're a guy. You're a guy, goes through,
goes through, O, T, A S. Then they draft Kyler Murray.
They don't trade him on draft day, so he's gotta
like show up at work when Kyler Murray's there's like
super awkward. Then he goes to the Dolphins, who are
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trying to be bad. I mean, yeah, that's a tough go.
It might be an it might be an all time
or like first year and a half for a first
round pick in the NFL for a quarterback. I don't
know if, because like you said, he's on three coordinators
through a year and a half and he's done on
multiple teams. It's I think that I think the stat
was the the the year Zona Cardinals were the first
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team to draft first round quarterbacks, and back to back
years since like the Denver Broncos and like three and
eighty four, like when they missed on some guy and
then they took Alway. So it's just it's it's it's
basically an unprecedented situation beside like twice in league history
of the you know past, like nineteen seventy so, and then,
like you said, they trade one of his receivers. Immediately
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they trade the left tackle and the team is actively
trying to loose, you know. So I'm rooting for him.
I hope you throw some touchdowns and they and they
win this game because I also think that the Redskins
like that they deserve everything they have coming. It's it's
that big of an embarrassment that they got going on.
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the New York Giants victorious. No, they they did not
win last night. A matter of fact, they lost last
night and then it looked very good last night for
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the Patriots. Anyone on a Thursday night is big, right anyway,
on a Thursday Thursday night, you gotta feel good about
short week. You're not healthy, Get in, get out, get
you win, get on your way. For the Giants, there
are moments when Daniel Jones looked like a competent quarterback.
There are moments when he looked like a rookie ter back. Look.
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I think the Patriots have some Tom Brady issues. I
don't think he's uh, nor is anybody nearly the same
guy this year as he was last year as he
was the previous year. I still think he's gonna be
good enough because because of his football, like you, because
of the team they built around him, and the team
really has built around defense, running the football, special teams,
and Brady can deliver occasionally like he did last year
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in the playoffs. But the Giants, who didn't have the
starting running back, didn't have two of their top three
wide receivers, didn't have their starting tight end. What do
you expect to happen? Right? What? What did you what
do you expect to happen? But even though he had
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three interceptions last night, Daniel Jones still looks like a
guy who is going to be quarterback the New York
Giants for a good amount of time. And we can
go back and fight the battles of the draft or
of maybe the previous year, like why did you take
Sam Donald? The previous years and the Jets wouldn't have him?
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And he's better than Daniel Jones. Frankly, I think he's
better than anybody else who's been selected the past two years.
That's why he was number one. Everybody's born and you
had a chance taking me. He took Sae Kwan Barkley,
who's a great player, but he's a running back, much
more re placeable than a quarterback. Right. But if I
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look at the New York Giants and you remember what
this year's draft was about. This year's draft, people went
crazy when they took Daniel Jones because no one thought
he should go that high. And the Giants came out
and said, hey, r Intel said the Redskins liked him.
Bruce Allen, of course, the president the Redskins, laughed at that.
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But here's essentially what's taken place. The Redskins owner and
the Redskins president, We're the only people in the Redskins
front office that wanted Dwayne Haskins to be their quarterback.
Everyone else seemed to know. Everyone else seem to know that, Um,
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Dwayne Haskins wasn't ready. Dwayne Haskins may never be ready.
What's that may never be ready? Doesn't have great feet?
Apparently the reports out of DC are might not have
good work ethic. And maybe it's because the now former
coaching staff wasn't sold on him and so he was
just turned off by them as they were by his
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play previous to that. Maybe that's it, but ownership wanting
a guy who is so far behind, so far behind.
Bill Callahan got the job this week, and when he
was asked about Dwayne Haskins, he said, Dwayne Haskins is
not quote, not a candidate to be the starting quarterback. Now,
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it should be pointed out that they got case Keenom
and they got Colt mc way two guys that have
started games previously. They know the offense better. Um, they've
had more, but neither neither was a first round draft pick,
neither was expected is expected to be the star, and
the Redskins season essentially lost that's why they fired their coach.
So with with that in mind, if Dwayne Haskins is
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not a candidate to be the starting quarterback at this
point in time, that does not bode well for his future.
Factor in that the Redskins thought they fixed their quarterback
problems when they when they traded for Alex Smith. Alex
Smith is fighting to come back healthy. I don't think
you'll ever play football again, but don't tell that to
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Alex Smith. He wants to play football tomorrow. And because
he wants to play football tomorrow, he's not going to retire,
so they don't get that salary cap relief. So you
have money in Alex Smith, you got money in case Keenum.
You got a little bit of money in Colte McCoy.
You got money a first round traffick in Dwayne Haskins.
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And the guy who's the best of the quarterbacks will
probably never play quarterback again. The guy who you want
to play is the worst of the four. And the
team that you clowned for taking a quarterback that you
said you didn't like your now previous coaching staff apparently did,
seems to have a competent quarterback and doesn't for the
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next four years have a bunch of money tied up
in that quarterback. The Giants won not because they won,
They won because they found their quarterback. They have their
running back and now they can rebuild everything else around it. Meanwhile,
there arch rival in the same division has a running
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back in Darius Giants who can't stay healthy and they
can't figure out the quarterback position, and they've thrown a
ton of money and resources at it. That's a win
for the Giants. The Cowboys have one similarly, finding a
diamond in the rough quarterback. But now they're gonna have
to overpay Dak Prescott. No matter what they paid Dak Prescott,
they're gonna overpay him. Dak Prescott is an average quarterback.
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Don't get me wrong. If they could get that out
of out of Daniel Jones, the Giants would be more
than pleased, more than pleased, But they wouldn't at thirty
billion dollars a year plus. He's just not that good.
Right And in the same division, you know you have
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those three and Carson Wentz is already being paid like
elite quarterback, and he is. He's an m VP candidate.
He's the best of the bunch. But you've got to
solve that quarterback issue. The Eagles have, the Cowboys have.
The Giants looks like they have at the least amount
of amount of money after after Dak signs this new deal,
not right now, and the Redskins are a complete mess.
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That's a win for the Giants, especially when after the
draft they were getting clown for drafting somebody that people
not only said they thought couldn't play, but they said
the Redskins wanted him, and the Redskins brass said, we
wanted to, we wanted Haskins. Had that work out for you?
Huge win for the huge win for the Giants, huge, huge,
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All right, let's get to last night. You look at
the final score and the Pats did cover. They also
hit the over thirty four four team? Was the final
score kind of a ho hume. Game was a block kick,
there's pick six. They were fumbles. It wasn't that well played.
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The offense was an awesome Rob Gronkowski is in the
pregame show. Now sudden people are hoping and praying Rob
Gronkowski comes out of retirement. A lot to get to.
First here is here is Tom Brady himself on their
offensive issue. What's your assessment of where you guys are
as an offense right now? Do you think it's been
good enough? Uh, we'll see or six and oh so
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try to get to seven? Oh yeah, I mean, that's
the Hey, we're six and oh, just try to get
to seven and oh. They do have a massive amount
of injuries. They they've had to replace their center, they're
dealing with the backup offensive lineman. We know about the
injuries to Edelman, they had Antonio Brown for a minute.
They have other issues going on there. And to Brady's point,
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they are six and OL and they're in arguably the
worst division in football, at least the bottom two teams
are in fact putrid. So with that mind, you know that,
and the only time they'll play the Bills again will
be at home, where they'll be prohibitive favorites. They survived
the Bills when they went to Upstate New York. But
but here's the here's the thing that I find interesting.
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You ever heard how life comes full circle? Like when
we were born, we have to have somebody care for us.
We wear diapers, People have to care for even our
bodily functions. Right when we get old, we had to
have people care for us. We had to have people
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take care of our bodily function. Life does, in fact
come full circle. When you're a baby, you have to
eat food that you don't you know, it's baby food.
When you're older, sometimes you have to have people feed
do the same food because you know your teeth may
be gone, your building to chew. H death can be
something I've I went to temple that a death is
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a destination. The journey, or at least the descent into
death not always pretty. Life does come full circle, doesn't it.
Football life sometimes does as well. And maybe this is
the most impressive part about Tom Brady. Maybe this is
the secret to the secret sauce. Like everybody always wants
to know what the secret sauces isn't it usually thousand Island, right,
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And then there's a difference thousand Island and Russian dressing.
Like Russian dressing is catch up thousand Islands mayonnaise, I
giveaway secrets. The point is everyone always wants to know
the secret sauce, the secret sauces that Tom Brady understands
the circle of life. He didn't have to watch the
Lion King to know that we eat the gazelles, and
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then when we die, we become the ground which fort
lies of the grass which the gazelles eat, which the
next generation needs the gazelles. Right, the circle of life
that's what happens in the NFL, and that's what's happened
with the Patriots. We don't have to freak out about
their offense. We don't have to freak out about Tom
Brady not throwing the ball the same as he used to.
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They got it, they know it. That's why they built
the substantial running game. That's why they want him to
get rid of the football quickly. That's why they rebuilt
this defense. They knew they couldn't have it patched together
like it had been two years ago. And slowly but
surely they have the most dynamic defense and special teams
that they have had in years. And that's really the cycle,
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by the way, that was Peyton Manning when he was
with the Colts and throughout his career. When he got
to the Colts, when they first started winning and they
had Tony Dungey as their coach, they had a ferocious
Tampa two defense. And then slowly but surely he was
built around everything he could do offensively, and that continued
when he went to Denver. But when he won his
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last Super Bowl, it was solely based upon the defense,
not about paving Peyton Manning, which is where we are
with Tom. Tom Brady's not there yet, He's not to
where he can't throw the forward pass. But they built
a run game, They've rebuilt their offense. They've changed this team.
Because football life, if done right, is in fact a cycle.
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You do go from being a backup to being a starter,
to being a star, to being a star or to
being a backup. That's how it works. And for Brady,
you go from people forget when he first got to
the Patriots as their starting quarterback, which happened, what was
it nineteen years ago? Like two weeks ago. Do you
guys remember the moment. I remember the moment because it
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was the first time I'd ever done a national radio broadcast.
This is the true story. September eleven, there were no
games the next weekend. The following weekend they had games,
and I filled in for a guy named Todd Right
this show called Todd Right All Night up in Bristol.
I went to the Oklahoma Kansas State football game. Then
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I got on a plane and I flew through Cincinnati,
and I went to Bristol, Connecticut, and I had a
show on Sunday night and on Monday night. And on
Sunday I went to a bar called Sliders in Bristol, Connecticut,
and I sat there and I watched Tom Brady, excuse me,
Drew Bledsoe getting knocked out of the game by mo Lewis.
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Bledsoe was running out of bounds, I think in front
of the Patriots bench, but before he could get out
of bounds, mo Lewis clocked him and hit him so
hard that that that I mean, it would have detached
his mom's lung, That's how hard he had him. Brady
came in, but people forget that the early years of
Tom Brady, the team was built around special teams defense,
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getting rid of the ball quickly. Don't worry about We're
not gonna have him. He's just he's not gonna lose
it for us. And then slowly but surely he evolved
into being a star starting quarterback. And when he got
Randy Moss, they had the best offense we had ever
seen in the history of the sport. And then as
he's aged and as he's progressed, and as the game
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has changed, last year they worked their way to being
a power running game. Even Rob Gronkowski's life came full
circle as a as a tight end because he couldn't
outrun people. He showed his versatility as a blocker, not
just your traditional pass catching tight end. So I look
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at this Patriots team, and instead of being concerned with
the offense, I look in awe at Brady's lack of ego,
understanding where he is, understanding how this team is built,
and I marvel at the Patriots understanding the kind of
circle of life that he's going through and how to
win more championships. Tom Brady's first four seasons in the NFL,
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he had a completion percentage. He averaged six point nine
yards pert tempt. He threw for only two twenty yards
per game. He had a one point eight touchdown to
interception ratio. The next thirteen seasons the meat of the
superstar three m v PSI completion percentage seven point seven
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yards per tempt, two seventy six yards per game, three
point six TVs interceptions. But the last two seasons, where
he's been in his forties, the completion percentage still high
seven point yards some point six yards per temp two
seven yards per game. The difference is this okay, and
two point eight uh tds interceptions. The rest of the
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league's numbers have exploded in the past game and Tom
Brady's have stayed relatively the same, which is really a
decline because you have more snaps, because you have more
opportunities because people throw the ball more. In other words,
what the Patriots are doing is what they did originally.
The only difference is now you have a super experienced
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quarterback who once or twice a year can have the
juice in the tank as well as the ridiculous football
like you from playing so long and being so successful
to win a game on his own. The circle of
life is you start out in diapers and people feeding
you in a spoon, and you end up in diapers
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and people feeding you in a spoon. The circle of
football life is you start out as a facilitator, letting
everybody else's talent come out. You grow into the role
of a starter and a star, and if you want
to stick in the league as your talents wayne, you
find a way to once again let others talents come
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out and play to the best of your ability to
allow your team to win. That's the Patriots, that's Brady,
that's what they get, and others are trying to figure out.
Stop asking about the offense. It goes perfectly in line
with where they thought and what they thought they would be.
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Let's get you to JOHNMINALCOF, former NFL Scout, host of
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MIDICALF congrats on hitting the million, the million download mark.
Let let me ask you about last night. Patriots offense
not great, but considering the injuries short week, just surviving
is is in fact to win? How concerned should the
Pets be long term? Yeah? I don't think they should
be concerned at all. I mean, when you think about it, Doug,
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You've got Tom Brady, Josh McDaniels. They're going to figure
that out. They've also, you know, they drafted a first
round wide receiver. He's been on injured reserve. He's gonna
come back. Edelman had a big night last night. But
he'd been banged up with that riv injury or what's
ever going on. They're playing some young guys. They they're
gonna I was a big Sony Michelle guy when he
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came out of Georgia. He's clearly struggling. They got to
figure out how to use him. But if you take
a team into the playoffs led by Tom Brady and
they have a top notch defense, I don't know, statistically whatever,
they're the best defense in the league. You know, I
don't know if they have the best personnel, but they
clearly are a top five just as a unit, as
good as it guts. Who's beating them in the playoffs?
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You know, I just I think it will be very tough,
especially if they get home field advantage. Their schedules a joke.
You know, the Chiefs now more than likely are probably
gonna you know, thirteen and three or something. The Patriots
are gonna go fourteen and two. They're gonna lose the
game at Foxboro. It's just it's just really hard to see.
I think the offense, you know, for their standards, may
never be quote unquote fine, but will be good enough
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to take care of, you know, business come January. Here's
what I said. I said, it's life coming full circle.
Right when when they started this thing nineteen years ago,
Brady was facilitating and the strength of the team was
the special teams in the defense, and and they had
just enough offensively to get by. It feels like that's
kind of what they've rebuilt here. That defense is special.
The special teams are good. Obviously, they've had to replace
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their kicker, uh, and the and the offense uh is
just good enough to get by. And then of course
you have a savant where maybe his brain can when
you win you a game or two. Yeah. I look
at it like, and I talked about in the podcast
day like a diversified portfolio. You know. The one thing
the Chiefs have is, you know, they haven't played as
well last week, but they have just this elite offense,
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but their defense lets them down forever. The Patriots were
just kind of much more offensive heavy when they had
Gronk and they had Adelman and they had all these
guys in their defense was kind of a question mark.
And now that's kind of come around where Brady can
still make plays. I don't can make plays. They can
scheme guys open. They have been notorious right for running
these crazy trick plays in big spots to get them
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points when they need be. And now they're special teams. Well,
I mean their kickers out. Well, we'll see how that
plays out. But you know they're gonna be well coached
on special teams. To me, they're just they're very very
well balanced team right now. And that that to me,
when you have Belichick leading and Brady leading the charge
is a good thing. Godlic show here on Fox Sports Tradier,
that's the voice of John Mittelcoff. I predicted before the
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season would begin that Christian McCaffrey would be the best
back in the league. Am I own? Uh No, he's been.
Actually just watched some of that game back this morning.
I didn't get to see a lot of it last Sunday. A.
He was incredible. I mean he is. He is an
incredible player, he really is. I thought he was gonna
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be a dominant pass receiver. That's why I thought, like,
you know, you drafted him that high, he's gonna be
turned in to be like more of a Julian Edelman type.
But he's such a good running back. He's so strong
between the tackles, he's so fast. And you know something
that stood out to me, Dougus there was a picture
after that game Leonard Fournette took and he posted on Twitter,
and Leonard Fournette, right when he came out, was known
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as one of those old school guys that would have
thrived in like the seventies and the eighties. He was huge.
McCaffrey standing right next to him, maybe four Nette has
him by an inch, but just in terms of their
arms and their thickness, they looked like the same human being.
I think that's the most underrated part of McCaffrey's He
put on twenty five pounds, a good weight, and and
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does not look physically dominant like he used to. No,
McCaffrey is, you know, on a fast train to the
Hall of Fame. Well, let's call it what it is.
He maintains this, he's he's as well rounded of him.
Camar is pretty damn good too. I say those two
guys right now are the cream of the crop. And McCaffrey,
I guess he's battling an injury this week. But those
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guys in this modern day NFL where they throw you
the ball a lot too, they're just they're the ultimate player. Yeah,
that's it's it's it's crazy. That's John Mitelcoff joining us
in the Doug Gotlip Show. All right, uh I mentioned
moments ago. The only only thing more predictable than the
Browns dysfunction is James Bond ends up with the girl
at the end of the the movie. Right. Um, But now
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you got Jarvis Landry coming out saying, Hey, I don't
call plays, but if I did, I would get thirteen
the ball. He was asked about third and long plays,
like throw it to thirteen or throw it to eight.
So we're starting to see what we all wondered if
we would see what we would see? Right? Yeah, I
mean I was at the game on Monday night. They
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were forced feeding thirteen the ball. They were giving it
to him month end around. They were having him throw
the ball. They were trying to feed him on screen.
I actually was thinking in the stands, like are they
are they trying too hard to get Odell Beck on
the ball. But, like you said, the bigger picture, the
personalities on this team are not equipped to handle a
little adversity. The seas are getting a little rocky, and
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you're gonna start seeing people either jump off the ship
try to throw the captain over the ship. This is
not imagine being two and three. If you're the Browns,
you had playoff expectations which was nuts, you know it
was it was over the top. But now it's pretty
clear the division kind of sucks. Steelers are playing who
knows who at quarterback. Never even heard of the guy,
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never never heard of him, never heard of him. I
mean I follow this stuff for a living. I've never
heard of him. I've been if I text guys in
the league, they wouldn't really have a great feel for
the guy. But that's that's the nature, right of having
a four string quarterback Like this guy was brought originally
to be a quote unquote camp arm you know, I
mean really he wasn't supposed to make it, probably out
of O t let alone training camp. And I mean
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it's taking multiple injuries right for this to get there.
But that's that I got news for you for the
Cleveland Browns, Like that's a good thing. Like these the
cards are starting to be, you know, go fall in
your favor. So but here's the problem. You play Seattle
and then you play New England. It's not out of
the round possibility in the in seven days or I
guess ten days from now the Browns are two and five,
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because they're two and three right now. They play Seattle
at home. Seattle is pretty darn good last time I checked,
and then clearly New England's pretty good, and they're gonna
be coming off what Thursday games, so extra time. I'd
say that's advantage Belichick. Cleveland better win this weekend or
they are in massive trouble. By the way, Delvin Hodges
through for four thousand yards twice, three thousand nine or
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eighty three yards and granted at one double A level.
But he Sanford, Okay, so I get, you know, to
get maybe he started, we started four started, you know,
I mean three times First team also con three times,
so con Offensive Player of the Year. And you ever
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thought I think he thought starting quarterback Pittsburgh Steelers now
only starting CIBA like starting quarterback. Like we're like week
six weeks seventeen eighteen. Right, you could argue this start
for him is the biggest moment in the history of
Stanford football, Right, I'd have to I don't know enough
about Sanford football. I do know basketball wise, that kind
of ironically, the starting point guard at Louisville last year
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and the starting point guard in Arizona last year. We're
both former starters at Sanford. It definitely feels like, more
often than not in basketball, the smaller school guys kind
of thrived, especially at Power five schools, than these D
one double A quarterbacks or even players go on to
have a lot of success in the NFL, just because
the Power five and even the you know, the Fresno
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States and the Boise States of the world seem to
produce more of the NFL guys in the smaller schools.
Jimbo Fisher and Bobby Bowden both Alumps, and Courtland Finnegan
while all alums of of Sanford so a theater school
for Florida Space. Yeah yeah, Courtland fin again, Jimbo Fisher,
Bobby Bowden, um, a couple of others, but but nobody
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of serious serious No graduated about you mean fog Horn.
You mean fog Horn Leghorn. I tell you, I tell you,
I'll tell you. Well. Uh, he was born in nineteen
twenty nine, so I'm guessing it was in like fifty one.
He probably graduated right fifty one. Oh no, didn't have
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that great stat now, hold on, hold on This is weird.
It says Bobby Bowden is listed as going to Alabama
and then transferring to Howard in Alabama. Doesn't say anything
about Sanford. Sanford claims him. Oh Howard, Well, Howard College,
it used to be known as Howard College. Knowledge. I
did and I did not. I did not know that
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weird wacky wild stuff in Homewood, Alabama. Homewood, Alabama, all right.
Speaking of the Niners, Um, they for real? Uh when
they're healthy, for sure? I mean their defense is top notch.
Kyle's as good as it gets as a play caller.
I think it's gonna be somewhat hard to judge him
this game that they lost another tackle, Joe Staley, Mike McGlinchey.
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They're starting a guy, Doug from the a f IS.
They're starting right tackle and the Rams. But did he
go to Sanford? But did he go to Sanford? Wouldn't
shock me if he did? You know this guy or
I mean the Rams. You can't afford to have three
loss They lost three games all that season. You have
three losses by mid October when the forty Niners would
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be five and oh and Seattle. Potentially they win this
game you'd be in trouble. They just make the playoffs,
let alone compete for the division. So this game me
and in l A. The Niners are playing with a
little house money, given that they start the season at
four and oh and their schedule. They got the Redskins
next week and then they got you know, the Panthers,
who actually might be decent, but they're still that's Kyle Allen.
This is a different animal, you know. I think the
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Niners aren't for real and expect them to lose this game.
Really yeah, just because it lost. They leave the league
in rushing right now. And they handled losing Staley okay,
but you lose McGlinchey, who is you know, one of
the better young offensive linemen in the league. And you
lose Kyle use Check which for most teams before, but
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they used them in the past game they line them up.
I mean, I thought, I thought they did a good
job on Money Night of showing all the different ways
they use them. And with youth, Check and Kittle, they're
running games so dominant because they basically have seven offensive lineman.
Those two guys just destroyed people in the run game.
And Kittle, now they're going to ask them to like
help both offensive tackles and carry their passing game. And
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I'm sure they line them up a little in the backfield,
like you can only use him so many different ways. Uh,
it's and again to me, it's more about the Rams desperation.
You fall three and three and get you'd already have
multiple offices. One would be Seattle and one would be
the Niners. You would basically kiss the division by and
you would just be talking about, you know, competing for
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the wild card. I just think they're desperation their team,
you know, I get they missed the field goal, and
we talked about it last week. They were a miss
kick away from the conversation being completely different their offense.
While girl is a shell of himself. Gerald Everett kind
of coming into the fold. He was. I was looking
at it. I had forgotten he was a second round pick,
you know. I mean, this guy was pretty highly talented.
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Little hand. Cooper cups Cooper Cooper cups on pace for
like a hundred fifty catches. Robert Woods a good player.
They're passing games still really good. So if the Niners
struggled to run the ball a little bit, which would
kind of be expected with all these injuries, I think
that leose be able to outscore them. The Vikings figure something. Well,
I mean they're playing the Giants, you know this will
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be a test game in Minnesota. The Eagles corners stink.
If Kirk Cousins can't throw it on these guys, we
got a problem. I like the Eagles in this game
just because I'm kind of picking culture and just their
hallen and I'm betting against Cousins. But if you're a
Vikings fan, you should be like, listen, we're playing at home.
We I saw Zach Brown of the Eagles just kind
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of said, like Cousins is not that we don't know this,
but you just don't usually hear players say this like
Cousins their weak link. They got stud receivers, their run
game is dominant. Uh, it's it's him. And I mean
we all we talked about it all the time. But
the Vikings, you're paying this guy all this money. If
you can't hit passes against this team, given that they
struggle to cover people, we might just be talking about
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the most talented team. Now be two straight years of
say goodbye to the playoffs. Yeah, it's it's it's really
fascinating to see how much he limits them, and we'll
see if it's if it's play calling. They they if
they figured something out obviously against the depleted um a
depleted Giants team last week. What about the Cowboys and
their struggles, Like you don't have your tackles, You're going
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against a good defense. But do you think how much
of it do you think is play calling? How much
do you think is deck? Well, I think Kellen Moore,
anytime you're first time coordinator and you're a really really
young guy, it's one thing if you're a first time coordinator,
but you've been a coach for fifteen years. This guy,
despite and I'm a big Kellen Moore fan up than
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when I was a j at Fresno State, he's one
of the best college players I've ever seen. He's clearly
comes from the background, but there is an experience level.
And Jason Garrett, you know, despite being an offensive guy,
I don't think he brings that much to the table
when it comes to dynamic scheming. So he faced the
last two weeks, Mike Petton and Dennis Allen, the two
higher level of defensive coordinators, did have pretty loaded rosters.
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This is a different animal. The Jets think, and I
think it's everyone's acting like Sam Donald's gonna come back
and just hit the ground running. He's been sick for
a while. He hasn't played now in a month and
a half. I think it's a it's gonna be pretty
difficult for them just to come back to Cowboys, who
I thought coming into the season, and I thought this
two weeks ago before they started getting their butt kick
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had a chance to win the NFC and the roster,
even with the injury, should still run circles around the Jets.
If they struggle with the Jets this weekend, it might
be time to throw kind of a red flag and
be like, well, actually the Cowboys aren't quite as good
as we think, and if they beat him, we'll just
say they beat up a bad team. But to me,
it will be a good sign that they kind of
got their mojo back. Did you did you hear what
Callahan said, but he took over with the Redskins. He said,
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Dwayne Haskins is not a candidate to be the starting quarterback.
Not a candidate now, I don't know. And you're when
you're the interim guy, usually you try and do everything
the owner wants like, start the young guy, what is it's? What?
What are you hearing about Dwayne Haskins in terms of
his long term future and viability. One thing that I
had heard is the coaching staff and the people in
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the building just thought that he kind of came in
a little big headed in terms of just my building.
I own it. I'm a first rounder, I'm from Ohouse State.
You guys are just hand me the rock. And clearly
Jade that Jay didn't want him in the first place.
So did Bill Callahan. You know, if you go back
and look at Bill Callahan's resume, I don't know if
that's really what he's into now. Like you said, you
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would think when they named Bill Callahan the interim, he
would acquiesce to what management wanted. But what were there
other what were they gonna do? Named Jim tom Seulla
the coach like he was the only real real candidate,
rob Ryan, Like, what were their options? I also think
that this guy is just not He's just not very good,
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you know, in terms of the transition from college of
the pro Clearly they think it's true he's a grand
canon gap of just understanding the offense of knowing what's
going on their team is not very good, so you're
putting this guy in a position where he's gonna fail.
I don't think it's that nuts because now we have
multiple voices saying the same thing. So if it was
one guy who's like, well, Jake Gruden hated him, he
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didn't want to draft him, now it's the other guy
that's saying that, you could argue he's even saying it's worse, like, yeah,
he's not we don't want him, we want him no
part of the starting quarterback. But I actually kind of
like the Dolphins this weekend. I would love, and I
mean love to see the Dolphins win this game. I
would too. I think they're I think they're gonna win
the game. Those guys play hard, they do, they actually
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play hard. I don't know where you stand on this,
but I saw a quote from Rosen that he's like
he understands that this year is a tryout year because
they're just going to draft a quarterback. You know, whatever
you think about josh at U c l A and
just his personality or whatever, he's had a kind of
a crazy first two years, no question, no, no, I
mean like he had. For people who don't remember he
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had a different coordinator every year at U c l A. Okay,
he got hurt every year at U c l A
because they had a terrible offens line. And then he
gets drafted by the Cardinals. They have a terrible offensive
line by uh the first offensive coording at last what
half the year, not even I think it was like
seven games, five games. Then they promote Buyer Left, which
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you've never been a coordinator before. Both the vote the
two coordinators were had never been coordinated before, no offensive
line at all. Then he then they tell him, hey,
you're a guy. You're a guy. You're a guy, goes through,
goes through, O, T, A S. Then they draft Kyler Murray.
They don't trade him on draft day, so he's gotta
like show up at work when Kyler Murray's there's like
super awkward. Then he goes to the Dolphins, who are
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trying to be bad. I mean, yeah, that's a tough go.
It might be an it might be an all time
or like first year and a half for a first
round pick in the NFL for a quarterback. I don't
know if, because like you said, he's on three coordinators
through a year and a half and he's done on
multiple teams. It's I think that I think the stat
was the the the year Zona Cardinals were the first
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team to draft first round quarterbacks, and back to back
years since like the Denver Broncos and like three and
eighty four, like when they missed on some guy and
then they took Alway. So it's just it's it's it's
basically an unprecedented situation beside like twice in league history
of the you know past, like nineteen seventy so, and then,
like you said, they trade one of his receivers. Immediately
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they trade the left tackle and the team is actively
trying to loose, you know. So I'm rooting for him.
I hope you throw some touchdowns and they and they
win this game because I also think that the Redskins
like that they deserve everything they have coming. It's it's
that big of an embarrassment that they got going on.
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search f s R to listen live. I'm gonna declare
the New York Giants victorious. No, they they did not
win last night. A matter of fact, they lost last
night and then it looked very good last night for
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the Patriots. Anyone on a Thursday night is big, right anyway,
on a Thursday Thursday night, you gotta feel good about
short week. You're not healthy, Get in, get out, get
you win, get on your way. For the Giants, there
are moments when Daniel Jones looked like a competent quarterback.
There are moments when he looked like a rookie ter back. Look.
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I think the Patriots have some Tom Brady issues. I
don't think he's uh, nor is anybody nearly the same
guy this year as he was last year as he
was the previous year. I still think he's gonna be
good enough because because of his football, like you, because
of the team they built around him, and the team
really has built around defense, running the football, special teams,
and Brady can deliver occasionally like he did last year
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in the playoffs. But the Giants, who didn't have the
starting running back, didn't have two of their top three
wide receivers, didn't have their starting tight end. What do
you expect to happen? Right? What? What did you what
do you expect to happen? But even though he had
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three interceptions last night, Daniel Jones still looks like a
guy who is going to be quarterback the New York
Giants for a good amount of time. And we can
go back and fight the battles of the draft or
of maybe the previous year, like why did you take
Sam Donald? The previous years and the Jets wouldn't have him?
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And he's better than Daniel Jones. Frankly, I think he's
better than anybody else who's been selected the past two years.
That's why he was number one. Everybody's born and you
had a chance taking me. He took Sae Kwan Barkley,
who's a great player, but he's a running back, much
more re placeable than a quarterback. Right. But if I
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look at the New York Giants and you remember what
this year's draft was about. This year's draft, people went
crazy when they took Daniel Jones because no one thought
he should go that high. And the Giants came out
and said, hey, r Intel said the Redskins liked him.
Bruce Allen, of course, the president the Redskins, laughed at that.
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But here's essentially what's taken place. The Redskins owner and
the Redskins president, We're the only people in the Redskins
front office that wanted Dwayne Haskins to be their quarterback.
Everyone else seemed to know. Everyone else seem to know that, Um,
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Dwayne Haskins wasn't ready. Dwayne Haskins may never be ready.
What's that may never be ready? Doesn't have great feet?
Apparently the reports out of DC are might not have
good work ethic. And maybe it's because the now former
coaching staff wasn't sold on him and so he was
just turned off by them as they were by his
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play previous to that. Maybe that's it, but ownership wanting
a guy who is so far behind, so far behind.
Bill Callahan got the job this week, and when he
was asked about Dwayne Haskins, he said, Dwayne Haskins is
not quote, not a candidate to be the starting quarterback. Now,
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it should be pointed out that they got case Keenom
and they got Colt mc way two guys that have
started games previously. They know the offense better. Um, they've
had more, but neither neither was a first round draft pick,
neither was expected is expected to be the star, and
the Redskins season essentially lost that's why they fired their coach.
So with with that in mind, if Dwayne Haskins is
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not a candidate to be the starting quarterback at this
point in time, that does not bode well for his future.
Factor in that the Redskins thought they fixed their quarterback
problems when they when they traded for Alex Smith. Alex
Smith is fighting to come back healthy. I don't think
you'll ever play football again, but don't tell that to
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Alex Smith. He wants to play football tomorrow. And because
he wants to play football tomorrow, he's not going to retire,
so they don't get that salary cap relief. So you
have money in Alex Smith, you got money in case Keenum.
You got a little bit of money in Colte McCoy.
You got money a first round traffick in Dwayne Haskins.
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And the guy who's the best of the quarterbacks will
probably never play quarterback again. The guy who you want
to play is the worst of the four. And the
team that you clowned for taking a quarterback that you
said you didn't like your now previous coaching staff apparently did,
seems to have a competent quarterback and doesn't for the
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next four years have a bunch of money tied up
in that quarterback. The Giants won not because they won,
They won because they found their quarterback. They have their
running back and now they can rebuild everything else around it. Meanwhile,
there arch rival in the same division has a running
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back in Darius Giants who can't stay healthy and they
can't figure out the quarterback position, and they've thrown a
ton of money and resources at it. That's a win
for the Giants. The Cowboys have one similarly, finding a
diamond in the rough quarterback. But now they're gonna have
to overpay Dak Prescott. No matter what they paid Dak Prescott,
they're gonna overpay him. Dak Prescott is an average quarterback.
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Don't get me wrong. If they could get that out
of out of Daniel Jones, the Giants would be more
than pleased, more than pleased, But they wouldn't at thirty
billion dollars a year plus. He's just not that good.
Right And in the same division, you know you have
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those three and Carson Wentz is already being paid like
elite quarterback, and he is. He's an m VP candidate.
He's the best of the bunch. But you've got to
solve that quarterback issue. The Eagles have, the Cowboys have.
The Giants looks like they have at the least amount
of amount of money after after Dak signs this new deal,
not right now, and the Redskins are a complete mess.
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That's a win for the Giants, especially when after the
draft they were getting clown for drafting somebody that people
not only said they thought couldn't play, but they said
the Redskins wanted him, and the Redskins brass said, we
wanted to, we wanted Haskins. Had that work out for you?
Huge win for the huge win for the Giants, huge, huge,
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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