April 24, 2020 • 52 mins
Doug reacts to the 1st round of the NFL draft and defends the Packers for trading up to draft QB Jordan Love. He also tells you why the Cowboys made a smart pick by taking WR CeeDee Lamb despite their issues on defense. Plus, former NFL Scout John Middlekauff joins the show to give Doug the winners and losers from the 1st round of the draft!
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of the Doug Gotli Show on Fox Sports Radio. I
do want to start here with with something that that
I think is probably the most discussed draft pick of
the first round. It's interesting because I like what the
Dolphins have done, and I like what the Chargers have done.
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I get what the Bengals did. You know, they stuck
to the script. They felt like they had the number
one guy, the number one quarterback, and they they began
their rebuild around him. There's a lot going on there.
I want to talk about what the Cowboys have done.
I think the Vikings were sneaky good. There's a bunch
of stuff to talk about, but um let's start with
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the Packers. Something happened that we told you could happen,
We told you why it could happen, and it played
out just as we thought it might. Here's Brian Gonnacuz,
who's the general manager of the Green Bay Packers, talking
about their decision to draft Jordan's Love. You know, he's
obviously been through this. You know, he's a pro, and
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I think it's uh, you know, it's certainly this is
something that is a long term decision. I'm thinking when
you go through kind of the way things went tonight,
you kind of your way in the short term and
the long term. And we've got the best quarterback in
the national football we can be planning to having for
a while competing for championships. So I can understand, you know,
the fan base and people thinking kind of why would
you do this at this time, But I just think
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the value of our board and the way it's at
it was the best include Green Bay Packers. You're really
excited to get George's here and get him into our system. Okay, So, um,
you tell me where that where the lie is? Now?
You tell me more the lies, this idea that and
I heard Colin Calhard they're not showing him the proper
amount of respect. They've paid Aaron Rodgers more money than
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anyone in the history of the sport, in sports. That's
what kind of what respect is about? Right? How much
you getting paid? When he had a beef with his
head coach and he didn't think his head coach was
doing enough, they fired the head coach. The coach that
they hired was an offensive mind assistant. Granted is from
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a different style, of different system, and something he didn't
have a relationship with. But let's not kid ourselves and
think they didn't do so to get the best out
of Aaron Rodgers. Okay, so in terms of respect would
page more than anybody else. We're not cutting you. What's
the big story? Well, you didn't get him another weapon?
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How do you know that? How do we know who
the Green Bay Packers are going to select in the
rest of the NFL Draft, and then of course the
unsigned free agents and the potential for other movement in
the league. They won thirteen games last year, they got
to the NFC Championship game, and they want to get better.
But Aaron Rodgers has been banged up throughout his career,
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multiple collarbone injuries. He's had some other injuries as well.
He is thirty five years old and at some point
his contract will expire and they will not get a
free agent quarterback, right, like the best possible free agent quarterbacks.
Now you've got Tom Brady, who's in his forties. A
guy like Tom Brady wouldn't have gone to Green Bay.
Kirk Cousins, that was actually a good free agent signing
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for the Minnesota Vikings. Think how you think of Kirk Cousins.
You're either going to get a disc you want to
get a disgruntled former star Jameis Winston cam Newton asked,
or you gotta take a shot on a young guy
in the draft, which is what they did. Compound that
with the fact nobody wants to come to Green Bay
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and no one wants to come to green Bay a
to replace. Are you wanna be the next guy after
Aaron Rodgers? No, thank you, no, thank you. It it
took Aaron Rodgers being an all time great. And remember
Aaron Rodgers first year. It wasn't his fault. They were bad, okay,
but they were bad his first year. And Brett Farve
to start the year with the Jets. They started out
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nine and three, and they were like, man, what are
we doing here? If Aaron Rodgers wasn't an all time great,
which he is, we'd still be yearning for the days
of Rett Farve. Nobody wants to come and replace him.
The only way to do so is have somebody started
underneath them. And of all the guys who know what
it's like to be Jordan's love, you've got Aaron Rodgers,
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who at the exact same age, the exact same time,
had to do what Jordan Loves gonna do. Does it
mean it's gonna work out as perfectly as it did? No,
I have no idea how it works out. Best case
scenario for Aaron Rodgers is he plays great and when
when jordan Loves contract set to expire after their fourth
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or fifth year, they trade Jordan's Love because they know
he's good and get another first which they would use
to take another quarterback. So he may be net mad now,
But ask yourself this, If there are so many great
wide receivers at that point in the draft, how come
none of them went after Jordan's Love was taken. It's
not a tight end heavy draft. And yeah, they're running
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backs that are mostly gonna go early in the second
round one. This doesn't doesn't mean the Packers can't select
a second rounder or they can't move up and take
another second rounder. But they also already have a really
good young running back. Could they have added to the defense, sure,
But the fact is that the complaining from people, and
frankly from Aaron Rodgers, is over not adding a skilled
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position player, something they haven't done since they drafted Aaron
Rodgers in the first round. Who just won the Super Bowl?
Which won Super Bowl? Who is the Who are the
Super Bowl champions? It's the Kansas City Chiefs. How did
they get Pat Mahomes? Well, they moved up in the draft.
They took Mahomes, who was a guy who was talented
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but not terribly refined, needed some work. He sat sixteen
of the seventeen games his rookie year. His second year
as the first time as a full time starter, He's
MVP of the league. Is Jordan's love Pat Mahomes? No?
Are they going to replace Aaron Rodgers in one year? No?
But in their perfect scenario, Rogers place out the next
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three years and then maybe four years and then maybe
what if Rogers gets hurt? Try to think of what
the Miami Dolphins have done, have gone through, have now
taken on. The Miami Dolphins just day took to a
uh tongue of Violoa. Now, by my estimation to a
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would have gone ahead of Justin Herbert on everybody's board,
including the Chargers. But they did sign up for two
of knowing he is injury prone and a major injury risk,
and he's not a great athlete. But they moved heaven
and earth because for the last twenty years they've been
trying to find the next Damn Marino. Look at what
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just happened to the Patriots. They had the guy, they
had guys sitting back behind them, they traded him for picks,
and bybody, you shouldn't have traded by the way, no
one has said you shouldn't have drafted Jimmy Garoppolo. Honestly, here,
here's a funny one. How many people have sat there
and go, you know that they had a chance of
Lamar Jackson, thought about drafting Lamar Jackson, chose not to
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draft Lamar Jackson. Why couldn't they Had they drafted Lamar Jackson,
would you've been This is slapping the face to Tom Brady.
The fact is the Packers are copying what's allowed the
Packers to maintain a level of success over the past
twenty plus years, having a star quarterback and drafting potentially
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his error parent. And oh yeah, by the way, as
long as as long as Aaron Rodgers is healthy, they're
gonna be above plus win team. And if that happens,
guess what they won't be doing drafting early in the
draft and have a chance to draft one of the
next star quarterbacks. This is the best possible scenario. And
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then here's the here's one last part. Some guys play
better when they're feeling the love. Some guys play better
when things are a little bit disheveled. Some guys play
better when they're piste off. Right, they're ticked off. That's
Aaron Rodgers. One of the big motivators for this amount
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of success and the ability to continue to try and
be successful is Aaron Rodgers doesn't have a chip on
his shoulder. He's got a whole bag of Doritos. And
so Aaron Rodgers mad, Yeah, all right, he's mad. Guess
what he can't do, can't go anywhere else. I guess what.
He has been paid more money than everybody else. And
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if he's a little bit mad, and it picks him
off and makes him play a little bit better to
stick it to the man. I don't see where the
loss is fifty three guys on a roster. If your
quarterback is a little bit miffed, don't worry. That same
quarterback would be miffed if you took a quarterback in
the second, third, fourth, fifth, six, or seventh round. That's
a fact. When Peyton Manning was an Indy, he would
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call the front office anytime they would draft a quarterback.
Who's this guy? Philip Rivers the same. They all do it.
They all do it. So maybe Aaron Rodgers isn't happy,
but he's at least been through this before. Now that
the shoe is on the other foot. And oh yeah,
by the way, the Packers have not eliminated themselves from
drafting a wide receiver or a tight end in today
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or tomorrow's NFL draft. Meanwhile, their overall roster just got deeper.
They got a developmental quarterback who if, in fact, he
does become what people think he could become, it'll be
used about the time where Aaron Rodgers is getting over
the hill. We've told you all year long that this
feels like a team closer to building to winning twelve
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to fourteen games every year than they are too. They're
not at the end of the run. And maybe to
you that says, well, they should have drafted t Higgins. Okay,
if te Higgins was so good, how come the other
seven teams that drafted after him didn't draft Tea Higgins?
And by the way, it doesn't mean they can't trade
up and draft Tea Higgins today or any wide receiver
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that you like. I get it the Packers, and it wasn't.
There was nothing deceptive. They were talking openly to these team,
to these players, and trying to get a good feel
for all the quarterbacks just in case this scenario happened,
and one of the most talented but unpolished quarterbacks just
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so happened to fall to them, and they took advantage
of it in a very very, very eerie, eerily similar
way to which they took advantage to Aaron Rodgers, who
was a better player in college and thought to go
number one overall, but he was sitting there just about
the same draft pick. If the only guy who's unhappy
is Aaron Rodgers, and Aaron Rodgers is well compensated under
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contract for a couple more years, and he plays better
when he's ticked off, what is in fact the issue?
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Sports has teamed up with Mark Sanchez for this new
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incredible digital series in depth conversation with the top three
quarterbacks in the NFL Draft. So that's to h Herbert
and Jordan's love. That's gonna be on Showtime Sports YouTube
channel and Mark joins us. Mark, thanks so much. I mean,
obviously we're talking about the Seahawks and uh, their head coach,
Pete Carroll was was your head coach? And you know
he famously said, oh you know that's not not yet.
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What was what was your experience? Like, what do you
remember about draft night? Oh man, it was a well
worn of emotions. And pardon me in advance if I
have to go change down my little man, I gotta
key old run around the house. So makes things fun,
especially when you're doing interviews. But let's see we the
night before that, you know, information press conference, like coach
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you know, uh says, you know, I don't want Mark
to leave and I don't think it's a good idea,
and he disagrees with my decision. What people don't know
is that night before he was in my apartment, still
about two in the morning, and we're eating in and
out burgers, talking about everything under the sign, about football,
the NFL, college, our families, different stuff. And at the
end of the night he was just like, listen, I know,
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I know you're set on what you want to do.
I just I don't agree with you. And you know
I have some numbers to prove my point. You know,
I still support you. It's not like I don't like
you anyway. And so I said, yeah, I understand. And
so the next day when he said that, I had
already know and what was going to happen, but it
just came off so poorly and was received so poorly publicly.
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And then there's this picture in the La Times where
they caught us like passing each other after we had
already like shaking hands or given each other hug or whatever,
and it just looks like, where this is strange, you know,
divorced couple or something. And so it took down a
whole new a lot of loose and unfortunately it made
coach look bad and it looked like, oh, you know,
because says lamb or whatever. And I remember him calling
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me that that same day after the first come was like,
holy god, I didn't I didn't mean for it to
go that way. I just simply wanted to explain that
I disagree with you, but you know you're a good
kid and we love you. Yeah, I get it. Listen.
Most important question, what's your inter and out order? Oh?
I usually go double double right now. Quarantine orders fly
a three days of me because I'm just getting way
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too big. And uh, let's see, I'll go. Do you
ever get the cut chilies? It's like a secret menu
item they have, like the peppuccini's or whatever, and they'll
put them up and put them in the burger to
give a little kick. It awesome. So, but but what's
the what's the slang for it? Do I have to
say cut chilies or what? You could just tell them
to add the chilies, cut chili slice stillings, But I
don't know what you're talking about. Yes, I know this,
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this is this is a bit. Hold. I'm writing this down.
I'm currently in Newport Beach. That that we I have
not had in and out all weeks. So this is
you know, I was thinking about Carney a soda for
dinner tonight, but I may I'll go in and out
this weekend. Okay, we're going grilled onions or no grilled onions. Yeah,
just an animal style cut chilies, animal style cut chili's, uh,
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of course. And of course fries people. I like them,
the animal stuf fries. I just eat my burger without
the paper around it and let it all drip on
the side, so it's like a giant version of the
animal style fries. I like it. Mark Sanchez professional in
and out Orderer college UH football analysts and of course
UH former star quarterback with the New York Jets when
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the two AFC Championship games, joined us on the Doug
Gotlip Show on Fox sport Trading. I think one of
the big questions about you coming out was not how
good you were, but you didn't have a ton of
experience in college because you're buried. But you know, USC
at the time was so loaded. I think it's like
fourteen games you played and then you started basically right
away with with the Jets. What was that? Like? What
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what is this? Now? Obviously it's very different for the
three guys you've interviewed, UM, because we don't we're not
gonna have rookie minicamp. You probably don't have O, T, A. S.
You don't have and so that the chance of them
really being successful might be minimized. And and and look
all three of them right now. We'll see what happens
in Cincinnati, UM with with Burrow. But but all four
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of those quarterbacks have a veteran already there, so they
probably don't play. What's it like to go from fairly
inexperienced college starting quarterback, first round pick to starting with
the Jets like that that period of time? What's that like?
Listen for all four of those guys. I think if
anybody was ready uh to step in and play right away,
I would have said that just because of his experience,
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that how many throws and how many reps he's gotten,
real live reps in games in the SEC. And it
reminds me a lot of Matt Stafford and how seasons
he was coming out of the draft or something like
me when we played sixteen games. That reminds me rule
more of like Jorgan lows Um or you know, Ta
and Herbert have much more experience. They have that Stafford experience,
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but with Herbert's been a little more inconsistent at times.
You wanted to see some bigger moments. You wanted to
see him, you know, just take over a game kind
of thing. And you know, you can argue either way
whether he has or has not done that. But for him,
it wouldn't hurt to see somebody else, especially, like you said,
when you don't have an offseason like this, to step
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in and play is tough, man, It is really really tough.
And what would have been probably potentially better for my career, maybe, yeah,
to sit and watch look at Aaron Rodgers, look at
Carson Palmer, look at Patrick Mahomes. Got to sit behind
Alex Smith. Really um he he he handled his interception
habit from college that he came into the league with
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because he sat behind Alex Smith for an entire year.
One of the best guys are taking care of the football,
one of the best guys that understanding how your reads
and your feet tie into your progressions and timing and
going through those progressions, how that all ties together. And
he got to watch somebody who was really good at
it for an entire year. And that's really important for
these young guys. That is paramount. So I would say,
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for two, I just physically give him a gear, let
him mannate, let him watch, let him learn from Fitzpatrick,
a guy who's been all around the league, and let
him see what he does well, what he doesn't do
so well, and then give a chance for he's completely healthy.
We need you to know for a fact that hip
is healed and he's ready to go. But unfortunately, in
this wind now Mount, the way the NFL is and
the way people are gonna be starving to the young
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players to play. You know, the charters, they're gonna have pressure.
With a new stadium, new hot shot quarterback out of
the pack twelve West Coast kids, they're gonna want see
him play. So as long as they don't succumb to
that pressure, that you have the potential to let this
kid marinate, take him out of the oven at the
right song, and then cut a loose Jordan Love. He's
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got the best situation in the world in my opinion.
Aaron Rodgers went through the exact same thing, literally exact
same thing, same age, and and and everything, and and
Aaron Rodgers was Aaron Rodgers wasn't crazy experienced either, right
did Juco? And then two years ago, and and and
not Aaron Rodgers fault that he got drafted. He's just
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working his ass off and trying to get drafted. So
it's not Jordan Luft's fault, you know. So hopefully, you
know Aaron's learned from that situation and he can help
that young kid without obviously giving up his job. There's
no doubt Aaron Rodgers starter, and he should be as
long as he wants to be. Um, there's nothing wrong
with helping that young kid. Your first start was Houston
on the road. What do you remember? I remember we
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had some crazy third downs. Um, I remember threw a
garbage interception and we had a we had a shutout
an ouption in our own territory. Today I think they
got a field goal or sport maybe. So Rex really
wanted to shut out in his first in his first outing,
so he was all this um, but it was it
was incredible. Just I got to talk to Joe Nama
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before the game. I remember being so nervous. I forgot
I forgot to date my ankles. We're like midway through
the first quarter. I was like God, I totally forgotten.
I opened up my thought. I was like, dang it.
So I ran over the train. I got him takes
on the sideline. I mean, just a little stuff like that.
You're there's so many butterflies and excitement. My high school
coaches there, who had, you know, tutored me as a
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quarterback coach for a long time. He made the trip
out from California and watched me, and my whole family
was there, so it was It's an incredible experience. And listen,
I wouldn't change anything that I went through. But if
I could advise these young kids, understand they're hungry to play.
I understand that I'm trumpet it a bit to get
on the field and and continue as a starter. But
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I could give him any advice, I would just say, hey, listen,
then there's nothing wrong with watching somebody do it for
a little getting your bearings and then jumping in the fire.
Now you only had you only had Kellen Clemens there,
and he is he was the second round pick, and
he and he was a little bit older than you,
but not much older than you. Um and and a
little bit like Tyrod Taylor. Yeah, situation for Herbert similar,
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you know, a guy with experience. He's played, I've been
in it, but not you know, like crazy established starter
necessarily you you late in your career when you're with
the Bears. There's that famous clip and I I don't know
if you've seen it where uh where you're giving him
a little pep talk in the snow before he's right? Right?
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Was it no bad reads? What was it? Do you
remember the quote? It was one game day that you
don't make anything up. There's no new there's no magic potion,
there's no new reads, there's no new footwork. Nothing changes
that then, and it's a reminder of there's different ways
to say it, right. You don't rise to the occasion.
Nobody rises to the occasion. You sink to the level
of your training. Coach Kelly used to tell us that
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all the time. Um, you know there's people only say that. Well,
you know, in big moments, big time players come through. Well,
that's what they do. They've been doing that forever. The
moment on the outside is different, the circumstances might be different,
but that's who they are. And um, so it was
just it's always a reminder that you're not gonna make
anything up today. That's gonna suddenly win the game. What's
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what's gonna win the game is your fundamentals, great footwork,
gray reads, and completing the football. That's it. And you know,
as I did it in a grouten voice, just to
change it out, just to mess with them a little bit.
But he, you know, he loves that kind of stuff.
And that's the way. That's the way I talked to
these young guys in this three part series because I
broke the ice immediately reminding them that, hey man, I've
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been in your shoes. I know everybody's like fighting for
a PC right now, whether it's you know, both headphones
or Adida's footwear or whatever. I'm not that guy. I
don't need anything from you. I don't want anything from
you except to watch you play well on Sundays. So
I'll give you everything I got as long as you
want to work hard in this film session, let's do it.
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And they were all very receptive, so that makes it fun.
What's that? How? How are you able to do that?
Because like, look, everybody's got an ego, you know, and
people can say whatever they want about your career, Like, dude,
you played in two a f C championship, games. Okay,
like you know, you made plays and you won football game. Like,
look your your second game, whether or not people thought
you put up great set your second game as the starter,
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your beat the New England Patriots. Okay, that that did
happen back when Rex Ryan's team was the net was
was that that bug that would constantly but you know
the can't wait Jets for the Patriots, you were, you
were the quarterback. But to go from there to then
being the the old head backup, like when you're in Dallas,
das year DA's first year, what's what's that like? For
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what's that like for you? I got a great story
for you when we were lacing up our cleats and
the hunt goes out to the kid. I know his
brother passed away, so I'm just I don't even want
to text him. I love him so much and I
just want to get him my space. But um, you know,
if he does hear this, I love him to death
and and I'm so sorry about his loss. But he um,
he became one of my favorite people, one of my
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favorite quarterbacks because he uh, he's considerably younger than me.
And I became, like you said, that old head veteran guy.
We're lacing up our cleats in getting ready during bye
week in Dallas to play Green Day, where Dac essentially
leaves the team down the field. There's a clip of
me smacking him on the head after his drive and
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I hit him so hard. I thought I almost broke
my thumb because I hit his home at sodying hard.
But I remember during then Aaron Rodgers obviously pulls out
that miracle and beats beats us in the playoffs. Well,
that week we can come to it. Dac and I
are sitting there lacing up our cleets for like a
Wednesday by week practice where it's just kind of a
walk through and kind of deal. And he goes, now,
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none of the Zillies I was like in elementary school,
but maybe junior high. But when you were playing with
the Jets. That said thanks a lot. And he goes, no, man, like,
you're really good. You guys had some good teams that
you played pretty long. Man, you played a lot of
playoff games. He said, yeah, dude, that's just kind of looked.
I'm like, yeah, he goes, man, that's crazy. I said,
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I guess, thanks a lot. So it felt like the
whole year I'm like, the whole year, you didn't know like, okay, great,
literally literally literally anything that I was teaching you right, literally,
you were just that other white guy that was in
the room that wasn't wasn't Romo, right, that's it. I
was like, wow, thanks, so humanizing. And that's who he is.
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I mean, he doesn't care about stuff like that. He
just wants the ball and that's why I loved him
so much. What was that like when Tony handed the
throne to him? That was a that's a that's a
big moment when he said, Tony Famish said football is
a meritocracy. This is his team. You were the backup there,
you were, you were there? Then what was that like?
Oh man, it's uh. I mean, it's a change in
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the guard. It's passing on the torch and you can
do it in a lot of different ways. And Tony
did it in that press conference in a very mature
and professional way. And I know that you know that hurts.
That hurts having to do that. It hurts knowing that
your time there's is over, and especially after everything he
gave it to that team and so that was that's
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something that's very difficult and um, but I think you
handled it, you know, in that scenario in that press
conference appropriately. Um. Yeah, that's uh, that's a tough one, man.
That's that's never fun for anybody. No, it's not. Um
what last last thing? And I know you gotta go.
We do to Showtime Sports has teamed up with Mark
Sanchez kind of spend some time with this. So you
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sit down with two, uh, with Herbert, with with with
Jordan's you told them, you told us that, you told them.
You know, I've I've been in your been in your shoes. Um,
but but is which one of these three are you
most confident is going to make it? Oh gosh, you're
telling me, Doug. Listen, I think with the proper wait time,
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these could be the top quarterbacks we're talking about for
a long time. And that's an easy statement to say.
I love them all right, but I really do. I
think Herbert can use the time in a huge market
to figure out who he wants to be to watch
somebody like Tyrod who's been around the league for a
while and gleaned from him, you know, the right things
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to do, the wrong things to do. He's the most
like you, He's the most he not look he played
a lot more in college and you did. But he's
the most like you right where he's He's a really
good big market wise. But I mean you talked about
a physical specimen. This kid is huge. I mean he's
six six, all of six six, and he ran stub
four seven aroun So this dude is like lapping me
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in the mile. It's not even close. He's a freak.
And the ball jumps out of his hand. The same
thing with love. This kid's all of six three plus
and the ball jumps out of his hand. He does
some Patrick Mahomes type stuff. And we see it on
his film. I showed in these episodes and you're you
look at him and you're like, whoa where did that
come from? The same thing with two of the way
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he processes the ball jumps out of his hand. He's twitching.
He's is so instinctive he can almost he has a
hard time articulating what exactly he did and how he
processed to make the place he made. He's so instinctive,
and that's crazy. I've never been around somebody like that,
and I've been around a lot of quarterbacks. So it
was these three are impressive and they all have those traits,
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but now it's how are you going to handle him?
Are you gonna keep the coaching stuff the same? Are
you gonna try and build the team around this guy?
Is every decision you make in this franchise made with
the intention of this quarterback to succeed. If it isn't,
don't do it. That's definitely only advice to to everybody
who drafted him. I'm gonna get killed by producer. I
gotta ask you one more. I think Burrows rise he
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he hasn't even identified. It's so much of it. This
sports is about confidence, right, as you said, Like all
these guys can throw, all these guys can can make plays,
but it's about confidence. And I would and you tell
me if I'm wrong. But I think a good portion
of your career what happened was you people didn't have
confidence in you, and then at some point in time
you lost confidence in your own game. You see the
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same thing happening in Chicago. I think with with Trabiskia
at times, how do you how does how does the
best maintain that confidence? What's what was the flaw maybe
that allowed you lose your confidence? I think a lot
of it is between the players ears number one. You're right,
but I think a lot of it, Like I said,
is are the decisions that are made around him that
are out of his control. You can only control so much,
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and when there are all these new variables constantly, that
makes life difficult. New receivers, new coaches, new systems. Look
at Alex Smith, until he got into a stable environment,
just like raising a child. If he's around you know
two parents who fight all the time, I think you
could be a little rocky for a while, until he
gets into place where everybody's a little more harmonious. It
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could be, it could be much better for him. And
it's the same way with a quarterback psyche. But the
biggest thing for these guys is like what happens next?
And the only thing I can liken it too in
a way is it's like a boxer. You fight your
whole life. You're one of the toughest, you're one of
the strongest. You've you've got stamina, you can punch hard,
you can take punches, you can do it all right,
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But until you become the champ, nothing's different. But as
soon as you become the champ, what does everybody call you? Hey, champ?
Everything changes overnight, within a matter of twelve rounds. You
don't change as a person. You know, bigger, faster, stronger,
smarter than you were total rounds before that. If anything,
you're more tired. But now the people around you change,
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the narrative changes. Now you're the champ, then everything changes
their whole life. He's guys have no idea. The world
just got flipped on its end. They're they're twenty two
years old whatever, there's one years old, million the dollars
in the bank, and they're expected to make decisions like
a sixty five year old judge. It's crazy, it's unbelievable,
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and people don't people don't think about that. Mark, great stuff.
Thanks for the in and out heads up. I'm gonna
order that this weekend chase after that three year old
and I can't wait to see this on Showtime Sports
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Easter Noon Pacific. Cowboys lost Byron Jones free agent Miami Dolphins. Dolphins.
Dolphins are gonna be better. They're gonna be better, Uh,
Robert Quinn. But you know who's a pass rusher, right,
and there was there was no Accuda type player available
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when they drafted, and like, look, Ceedee Lamb was the
number one wide receiver and a top ten guy on
their board, and that's what they went with. Like I
kind of think we we sometimes outthink things. We're like, well,
they should have Okay, let's look at the guys who
were taken behind him. Uh, Damon Arnette was seen as
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a reach but very talented cornerback out of Ohio State.
They weren't taking Austin Jackson, who up and down obviously
a big kid who's talented, but um maybe a bit
of a project. I do think they could have taken
Cleavan case In Casson from l s U. Justin Jefferson
was available, but Ceedee Lamb was they had ahead of him.
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Kenneth Murray, who who I mean, Like the Chargers traded
up to get him because they thought they believed that
somebody else would would get after him. I mean, here's
a guy they've been looking for a will linebacker for
seven years and they they found it in Kenneth Murray,
and they thought he was a top ten guy. He
was available at twenty three. They love him, so I mean,
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when you know, you go and look. And Jordan Brooks
was looked as a reach Patrick McQueen. They don't need
another line acker. The only other thing that that Cowboys
could have done was take a safety. And if you
don't have a safety, as with the first round grade
on your board, you don't do what's the classic thing
that people tell you not to do in the draft,
don't reach for a need. And I I it's an
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interesting I like Amari Cooper. I think he's making too
much money. No one else they have kind of jumps
off the page at you Blake Jarwin. Obviously they signed
up to be a tight end who continues to improve.
Had him on great story from a walk on at
Okaha State than an undrafted player. But like, look, they
do need to fix their defense. But if you just
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go out and get the best players, that plan generally works.
Maybe you trade one of them, maybe you keep all
of them. But this is a league in which the
teams with the better players do have a tendency to win.
They're not one player away in the middle of the
middle to end of the first round. From from being
a super Bowl team, but they could be one. They've
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been in a position going back before they got a
Marie Cooper of Hey, what happens if we don't have
enough wide receivers? Then Dak just isn't that good? Right
when they lost tomorrow when Marie Cooper wasn't playing well.
Their offense stunk when they didn't have Marie Cooper. Their
offense stunk when they didn't have their running back Zeke Elliott.
Their offense stunk when they had one piece that wasn't firing.
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So now you add an additional piece. Doc is a
good player. He's made into being a great player when
he has talent around him, and getting more talent only
makes that more obvious. I like to pick I like
Ceedee Lamb and and whether or not he can be
their go to wide receiver. He might not have to
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because they have Mary Cooper. You can only double one guy,
and if somebody's open, that's when Dad can be really
good throwing them open. That's not really what he does.
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just form NFL scout Um. Let's start with Ceedee Lamb
will work our way all around this draft. I don't
hate it. He's a really good player and he was
around a little bit longer than maybe they thought they
had him. Like how is described to me as everybody's
board looks different. And if a guy is much higher
on your board and he's still available, especially a wide
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receiver in the league which has become the dominant path,
you know, dominated by the past, and you have a
quarterback who's much better when he has good players around him,
I don't hate it. What do you think I'm with you?
I mean you get to the point to me path
like pick fifteen, there's a chance for a huge discrepancy
on your board, and I think talking to people around
the league, Ceedee Lamb wasn't liked, he was loved. You know,
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I've been on a lot of boards. He was a
top seven eight player. And the cowboys who listen, it's
an offensive league. The more weapons you can have, A
Mari is a completely different player as well. Right, he's
more of a route runner, a softer player. They have
a power running back, and now they have kind of
more of a physical jump ball, you know, maybe a
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little smoother. I don't want I mean, I'm just gonna
compare him to DeAndre Hopkins. I don't know if he's
gonna be as good as DeAndre Hopkins. But that's, you know,
kind of a style. And you you you want to
me to always have a little balance of your two
wide receivers, of your one and two guys to be
a little different. You don't want guys to be identically
the same. It's like, you know, basketball is a great example, right,
you want your one guy to do one thing and
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the other your other wing to do another, and it
balances out. It makes your offense really more explosive. And
think about McCarthy, Doug, how many sweet wide receivers he's
had over the years and the Rogers runs where they
were all a little different and it worked pretty perfectly
and they scored a lot of points. Um, all right,
let's let's let's let's talk Aaron Rodgers. Um should he
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be ticked that they took Jordan's love? Well, here's the problem,
Like a defining element of his career was people somewhat
feel bad for him that Farv was kind of an
able to him, right, and he is he gonna be
able to do that now to a younger guy. The
difference is Rogers, while somewhat remember his throwing motion was
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a little weird in college, he was a way better
prospect coming out of col than Jordan's love is coming
out of Utah State and the other thing you could
have been. He could have been the number one, probably
should have been the number one overall pick. Instead they
took Alex Smith big time. And I would say over
the last fifteen years, a player of Rogers talent accomplishments.
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I mean he almost beat USC the one year when
they were humming, probably doesn't fall past the top like
ten ever again, so that was it was a one
off and two I just he it's like there, it's
not a threat because he's not gonna be close to
his good though. I think if you're Rogers and you
go where we were thirteen and three, we were in
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the NFC Championship while we got boat raced. Aren't we
just a couple of players away from thinking of hell,
maybe we could compete with the Diners, maybe we could
win the NFC. And now we're taking a player that yeah,
he's not gonna be able to beat me out for years,
but he's not doing anything for us. Couldn't we have
taken a wide receiver and maybe Gudikins would tell him, well,
there weren't any guys of value. The thing that's kind
of crazy that I would understand Roger's side a little
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is you guys trade it up to get him. It'd
be one thing if you just sat there and took him.
They got kind of aggressive to go get the player.
So I I see both sides of this. Uh. I
also think it just shows you it happens every single
player ever that Aaron Rodgers time in Green Bay now
is finite, whether it's gonna be two years or three years,
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but he's not gonna finish his career as a Green
Bay Packer. I don't agree with that. I mean, I
I just don't. I mean, I think, like, look, Jordan
loves a couple of years away, right, Well, you and
I both agree on that, Okay, so he's a couple
of years away. Rogers hasn't been healthy his whole career,
but like this whole idea that they haven't been haven't
given respect, like day more any than anybody's ever gotten
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in the history of the sport. Well, no, I'm not,
but so so looking and we'll figure like in the
next two years, it's all guaranteed. You know, he's got
all guaranteed money, so he's not going anywhere. Plus you're
not gonna play the kid. And then at the end
of two years, like we'll see and if he's if
if Jordan Loft still hasn't played, he's still probably gonna
have first round value because people will think he's sitting
there waiting and they're holding onto him, and he'll probably
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light up preseason games, right, And because as long as
he doesn't play, or he'll play games seventeen of a
couple of years, he'll still have value. And you'll try
and you'll figure it out then agree. But the one thing,
though is these guys are now the new GM and
the new coach are invested into this individual, and you're right,
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financially they are tied to Rogers. There's no even questioning.
For the next two years, he can't even trade him
because of the dead cap. But after that, some of
it's on Jordan level. He's gotta be You're not just
gonna give it to him. To be stunk. Part of
the reason they went from Far to Rogers. Far was
slipping and Rogers was could crush in practice. Now here's
the other thing. Rodgers did show signs that he was
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diminishing a little bit, So we'll see, maybe just inspires him.
Maybe he you know, remember they did the same thing
with Brady and Jimmy, but Brady just kept playing well
and it kind of forced their hands. So I guess,
any anyone to the owner, anyone to the owner, anyone
anyone to the owner. But but if you agree, if
Jordan's loves get to the point where he's as good
as Jimmy Garoppolo, Rodgers would be in trouble. Yes, yeah,
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and and Rogers continues to if he Rogers starts to decline.
But I also think that Rogers the guy that his
whole career has been built in the fact that he's
been energized by thinking he's been slighted. And he thought
he thought the NFL slided him. He's in the green
room longer than anybody else. The Niners slided him, Far
slided him. He carries that that bag of chips on
his shoulder. And if this is one more and it
gets into play well, it gets him to kick everybody's
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ass and take names. So so be it. I'm not
I'm not even like a like a ticked off and
motivated Aaron Rodgers is not the worst thing in the world.
But but I do think he could he could go well, guys,
but not Nurs traded up and they got Brandon. Why
didn't we do that exact same move we had we
had less room to go up. Why why wouldn't we
get that to go with Davante and kind of just
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be like, Okay, we're back. Yeah, No, it's a it's
a it's a great question. Let's see what they Let's
see how it plays out today. Let's see what what
happens today. Um, which quarterback is in out? You know,
let's not talk about love anymore, but of Herbert hung
of Ioloa and Joe Burrow. Who's in the best position
to succeed? I think Herbert by far. I mean, the
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Chargers had a night last night. Kenneth Murray's stud and
Herbert is going to a team that has two stud
wide receivers. I mean, Keenan Allen is one of the
more consistent guys in the league. You got Mike Williams,
who was a great jump ball wide receiver and has
been making play since he was a Clemson kicking Bamas.
But you have Austin Ekeler who's a quarterback's best friend,
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and you have Hunter Henry. I mean they are because
you asked for. Much like most guys that get drafted
in the top six, they usually go to like to
a tong of boyloa who who is going to realize
fast like Waddle and Judy and they walk up through
that door. And Burroughs, best wide receiver in a j
Green has been injured, is probably gonna be unhappy and
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that team just stinks Joe Mixons okay, but other than that,
they don't have weapons. I think, Herbert, you couldn't ask
to be a top six quarterback to go. I'm trying
to think back in recent memory. Is there a better
situation for a rookie quarterback to enter into that's been
drafted that high. You'd be hard for us to find one. Yeah,
And and I don't think he has to play right
away either, like I I legit think that, and Tyrod
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has been in that situation before with the younger guy.
You know, it doesn't me have to like it, but
it's still his team until until it's not. I tend
to agree with you and the point you made the
Kenneth Murray pick. I mean, they had him in the
top ten on their board and they've been looking for
a will linebacker for I think seven years. Seven years.
You go back and I was shocked that he lasted there.
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I mean, I thought him and Patrick Queen I talked.
I was texting with a guy today in a league,
and historically middle linebackers or just like just linebackers in general,
aren't valued like a lot of other positions. In two
thousand twenty, with how talented the tight ends and running
backs are and how side to side also the running
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game is, those guys, to me are so valuable and
him and Patrick Queen, the Ravens and the Chargers got those.
How did those guys last the mid twenties, the good teams.
It's just it's shocking to me. Who who had the
biggest head scratching night. My issue with the Arizona Cardinals
taking Isaiah Simmons. Steve Come had a lot of success taken,
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the Honey Badgers taken Buchanan, the kid from Washington State,
and when he had Todd Bowls and Todd bowles. As
we saw last year in Tampa, is really good even
in New York. I know they're he ended up getting fired,
but he really didn't have any for what they had
talent wise. They were trying to be bad and one
six games. He is a great chess player. He can
move and you to live players vance Joseph has not
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been good. The Cardinals defense last year was pitiful in
in Denver his two years there, they fell off a cliff.
So when you take a guy like that as a
general manager, it's it's now out of Steve Time's hands.
Like he's not running the scheme, he's not coaching the
practices that that is a very risky pick given the
coordinator and even the head coach is Cliff Kingsbury, who
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has nothing to do with defense, and that to me,
I don't know, man, I I think I would have
gone safe offensive line there. I I get in theory
what he's trying to do, just the way they're equipped
with their coaching staff. I don't love it at all.
The Tristan worst Tampa thing was the most obvious thing ever,
right like that felt like and I don't think he's perfect,
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but he's a right tackle. They need a right tackle,
and he's good and talented. What should what should the
expectations though for Tom Brady b of a rookie right
tackle trying to win a super Bowl, Well, he's already
getting eat right because Tom clearly is not a big
quarantine guy. And I don't blame because Tom Brady is
thinking one thing and one thing only. I'm trying to
win the Super Bowl and shove it in Belichick's face
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this year. So the no O t A s it's
got to be killing them and it's just it is
gonna be somewhat of a challenge. And you and I
have talked about this before, Arians him meshing together, Like
you could argue of any team that's probably gonna be
good this fall, and I think it's fair to say
they were gonna be pretty good if they had a
normal off season. They've got to just be you know,
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killing themselves. Like we gotta get together because Arians and
Brady the meshing up the offenses, uh, even like what
he wants and you know, even his offensive lineman that
the checks and the calls that he's had are gonna
change or maybe try to adapt some of the stuff
they've done in New England. It's complicated stuff, so I
it's gonna be even a right tackle is in theory
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of plug in play position? Well, how does Tom call it?
How does arians call it? What's their final verbiage? Like
it's it might kind of get all thrown together fast
starting just in raining camp. I kind of like what
the Vikings did last night. Like I I like Jefferson.
I think he's a much less expensive, maybe not as
refined version. You know Currence, they lose Stefon Diggs. You're
placed him with a rookie was really talented. And then
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I know Glad Neither's some mock the field stuff there,
but uh, it's a dynamic DEFENSEI needed a cornerback. I
like what they did, really like what they did. Yeah,
I'm a big Justin Jefferson guy. And while digs in
a weird way, even though you think Cousins wouldn't be
good at that type, player was productive when cutting through him,
the ball just the divan is get him out of there.
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Justin Jefferson comes right in with feeling Dalvin Cook that
offense is gonna be good. Right to me? The corner
when you look historically over the guys Zimmer and Spielman
of drafted like they haven't missed on a lot of
high end corners. Lately, Wayne's turned out to not be
that great. Mackenzie Alexander, the little nickel they drafted out
of Clemson, has been hit or missed. Though. I'm with you,
I like this guy just what I've seen of him
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from of his highlight clips. People I've talked to the
league like him. But we'll just see. Now, they just
need a corner. They cut Xavier Rhodes. Waynes is no
longer there. They just needed, you know, a high end
type talent at least they can work with. And at
the end of the day, Zimmer's probably a top two
or three defensive mind slash coach in the league. So
you feel good about taking a chance on a guy
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at the end of the first round. Where is Caesar
Louis going to play for the Saints? That's a good question.
I mean, I center guard, I mean ask he only
has two options. Uh, why wouldn't he play center? Someone
texted me in the league today. I just that was
a little bit of a head scratcher. You know, typically
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you can get just interior offensive lineman. I guess this
guy was clearly the top interior offensive lineman in the draft.
I mean you can just tell by the draft, and
no other guy even we've even really talked about. I
just don't like invest in first round picks into that guy.
But you know, they had their they had their shot
right at Jordan's Love, which I I thought at twenty
four they were gonna take Jordan Love and when they
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didn't shows you maybe it's Joan Payton didn't like him
that much. But a're right, just you're trying to win
a Super Bowl this year. Take a center. Uh it's
not really my cup of tea, but you know who
am I to question? Sean Payton and Mickey Looms have
had They've had a lot of success. But I was
with you, that was I didn't see that coming. Yeah,
I didn't either. Patriots. Patriots now have a have a
pretty pretty solid day, pretty decent day ahead of them.
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What are your expectations for the Patriots? Well, Bell just
traded while the other team was still on the clock,
so he wanted to know part of any of the
guys in the first round, really, what could they not do?
I mean, they need more explosive playmakers is deep wide
receiver draft? Uh, they need you know, their defense is
a tad old. McCarthy's getting up there, High Tower is
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getting up there. Jamie Collins and Van Oya are now
gone again, So I are they just kind of doing
a rebuild of this is kind of their first base
for next year, maybe going after their quarterback. It does
feel it does? It does feel that way, right, doesn't
like you just try to accumulate a bunch of set
the third round picks, try to hit on you know,
six of them and have a core group of just
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solid starters around a guy. Yes, that's what That's what
it feels like. And and if you they have video
and they're chief if you and there's video out of
of them making the trade. I don't know if you
saw the video, but they're like, oh, just Jefferson's going
to Minnesota. Okay, now let's do it right. So it
was obvious that they were Jefferson was like the cut
off of you. They need to know, they needed a playmaker.
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They haven't had good luck and wide receivers. And once
he was gone, I was surprised that they didn't, you know,
I mean, Murray was there for them. Queen was there
for them. I don't know if they what they think
of some you know, Jordan Brooks obviously that people thought
would be around later, but it is. It does feel
to me like they're going to use this as a
almost like a gap year, try and figure out what
they like, what they don't like. If it's bad, they'll
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just sell off some of those pieces late in the
year and then it can do a complete reboot next year.
I also think he values we invested a pick, a
pretty good pick, a fourth rounder instead him. We've had
him for a year, were high on him. We're gonna
do a good job of just accumulating some players around
him and just see what he's got and if it
doesn't work, it's easy for us to pivot. Right. He
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never kind of pigeonholes him in one way. And like
you said, they have what I've always heard is they
to use a clump of players like they're never bound
to one individual guy. They know their spot, they get
three or four guys, and if if those three or
four guys are gone, they're just never married or never
gonna force anything. That's why they always trade draft picks
back because like we're not going to trade a guy
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that we don't think it's worth that, because they also
factor in whatever you draft a guy at whatever, you're
paying him first round money, and we don't think you're
a first round player. Seattle also historically is tried to
shy away from that. Yeah, and and they have cap
issues and you know, you know they have they have
the dead dead cat money to Brady and uh, you know,
I actually still think they're gonna be solid, Doug, Like,
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I don't think they're gonna think they're gonna be fine.
I think I think I think they'll be fine. You know,
I think for the wild card spot. Yeah, well, I mean,
like again, unless I'm terrible, right, if Stidham is terrible,
if they can't score, you know, um well, you know,
well then then I think mid season they start selling
off pieces and start looking towards the future. You know.
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I mean, they're gonna if it gets bad, Stefan Gilmour
will be traded for a bounty, right that That's what
will be and they'll be able and in the last
year of a deal, and they don't want to they
won't have to redo that one. Um, okay, just just
want one or two More's John Miokoff, our guest on
the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. UM,
(50:31):
who would you be most excited for if you were
a fan and he goes today? That's a pretty good question.
I'd say the running back from Georgia's Swift is a
pretty dynamic and we've seen the last several years, the
running backs taken in the early thirties, you know, like
thirty five, thirty nine, kind of that Nick Chubb range
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can be immediate impact players. So usually the running backs
on the second day. It sounds like a second round pick,
but they're the equivalent for a running back up a
first round pick like you saw the running back first
round is really like pick thirty to you know, if
you're if you're drafted in that range, like Clyde the
kid that Chief Scott is going to be a stud.
I think that guy is gonna be really good. I've
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always liked Labisco Chanel, the kind of explosive receiver from Colorado.
Now there are a bunch of injury concerns, but when
he was healthy, I always thought he was a just
a bona fide pro. Uh So that's usually guys like
that end up today. Because there are question marks with
the injuries. Um yeah, I mean it's to me today
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is like when you get your non sexy like line,
you know, your guards and spenters start for your for
eight years, Um, I we we gotta go really quickly here.
But the burners we we had uh rugs on, you know,
like I feel like everybody wants to find their own
Tyreek Hill and Rigor went um and I know he
didn't run a great forty time. I just I don't know.
(51:58):
There's only one Tyreek Hill? Are those were those guys
reach for speed more than reach for need. Yeah? To me,
that guy is very dependent on the on the quarterback.
You know, you've seen Alex Smith with the ted Gins
and the Tyreek Kills early in his career and it
doesn't look the same as when he's with Mahomes. So
it's just Derek. The pressure now to me on Derek
Carr is immense dug like there is no really excuse.
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But it might this first year if it doesn't go well,
it might not even be Ruggs as fault at least
with reagor with the Eagles, like Carson could sling it
and he will throw it now he's to me, Ruggs
is much more ready made, but the other guy, just
given his quarterback, is going to be set up more
to succeed to me. You know, early on John middle Call,
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do want to start here with with something that that
I think is probably the most discussed draft pick of
the first round. It's interesting because I like what the
Dolphins have done, and I like what the Chargers have done.
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I get what the Bengals did. You know, they stuck
to the script. They felt like they had the number
one guy, the number one quarterback, and they they began
their rebuild around him. There's a lot going on there.
I want to talk about what the Cowboys have done.
I think the Vikings were sneaky good. There's a bunch
of stuff to talk about, but um let's start with
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the Packers. Something happened that we told you could happen,
We told you why it could happen, and it played
out just as we thought it might. Here's Brian Gonnacuz,
who's the general manager of the Green Bay Packers, talking
about their decision to draft Jordan's Love. You know, he's
obviously been through this. You know, he's a pro, and
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I think it's uh, you know, it's certainly this is
something that is a long term decision. I'm thinking when
you go through kind of the way things went tonight,
you kind of your way in the short term and
the long term. And we've got the best quarterback in
the national football we can be planning to having for
a while competing for championships. So I can understand, you know,
the fan base and people thinking kind of why would
you do this at this time, But I just think
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the value of our board and the way it's at
it was the best include Green Bay Packers. You're really
excited to get George's here and get him into our system. Okay, So, um,
you tell me where that where the lie is? Now?
You tell me more the lies, this idea that and
I heard Colin Calhard they're not showing him the proper
amount of respect. They've paid Aaron Rodgers more money than
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anyone in the history of the sport, in sports. That's
what kind of what respect is about? Right? How much
you getting paid? When he had a beef with his
head coach and he didn't think his head coach was
doing enough, they fired the head coach. The coach that
they hired was an offensive mind assistant. Granted is from
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a different style, of different system, and something he didn't
have a relationship with. But let's not kid ourselves and
think they didn't do so to get the best out
of Aaron Rodgers. Okay, so in terms of respect would
page more than anybody else. We're not cutting you. What's
the big story? Well, you didn't get him another weapon?
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How do you know that? How do we know who
the Green Bay Packers are going to select in the
rest of the NFL Draft, and then of course the
unsigned free agents and the potential for other movement in
the league. They won thirteen games last year, they got
to the NFC Championship game, and they want to get better.
But Aaron Rodgers has been banged up throughout his career,
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multiple collarbone injuries. He's had some other injuries as well.
He is thirty five years old and at some point
his contract will expire and they will not get a
free agent quarterback, right, like the best possible free agent quarterbacks.
Now you've got Tom Brady, who's in his forties. A
guy like Tom Brady wouldn't have gone to Green Bay.
Kirk Cousins, that was actually a good free agent signing
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for the Minnesota Vikings. Think how you think of Kirk Cousins.
You're either going to get a disc you want to
get a disgruntled former star Jameis Winston cam Newton asked,
or you gotta take a shot on a young guy
in the draft, which is what they did. Compound that
with the fact nobody wants to come to Green Bay
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and no one wants to come to green Bay a
to replace. Are you wanna be the next guy after
Aaron Rodgers? No, thank you, no, thank you. It it
took Aaron Rodgers being an all time great. And remember
Aaron Rodgers first year. It wasn't his fault. They were bad, okay,
but they were bad his first year. And Brett Farve
to start the year with the Jets. They started out
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nine and three, and they were like, man, what are
we doing here? If Aaron Rodgers wasn't an all time great,
which he is, we'd still be yearning for the days
of Rett Farve. Nobody wants to come and replace him.
The only way to do so is have somebody started
underneath them. And of all the guys who know what
it's like to be Jordan's love, you've got Aaron Rodgers,
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who at the exact same age, the exact same time,
had to do what Jordan Loves gonna do. Does it
mean it's gonna work out as perfectly as it did? No,
I have no idea how it works out. Best case
scenario for Aaron Rodgers is he plays great and when
when jordan Loves contract set to expire after their fourth
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or fifth year, they trade Jordan's Love because they know
he's good and get another first which they would use
to take another quarterback. So he may be net mad now,
But ask yourself this, If there are so many great
wide receivers at that point in the draft, how come
none of them went after Jordan's Love was taken. It's
not a tight end heavy draft. And yeah, they're running
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backs that are mostly gonna go early in the second
round one. This doesn't doesn't mean the Packers can't select
a second rounder or they can't move up and take
another second rounder. But they also already have a really
good young running back. Could they have added to the defense, sure,
But the fact is that the complaining from people, and
frankly from Aaron Rodgers, is over not adding a skilled
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position player, something they haven't done since they drafted Aaron
Rodgers in the first round. Who just won the Super Bowl?
Which won Super Bowl? Who is the Who are the
Super Bowl champions? It's the Kansas City Chiefs. How did
they get Pat Mahomes? Well, they moved up in the draft.
They took Mahomes, who was a guy who was talented
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but not terribly refined, needed some work. He sat sixteen
of the seventeen games his rookie year. His second year
as the first time as a full time starter, He's
MVP of the league. Is Jordan's love Pat Mahomes? No?
Are they going to replace Aaron Rodgers in one year? No?
But in their perfect scenario, Rogers place out the next
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three years and then maybe four years and then maybe
what if Rogers gets hurt? Try to think of what
the Miami Dolphins have done, have gone through, have now
taken on. The Miami Dolphins just day took to a
uh tongue of Violoa. Now, by my estimation to a
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would have gone ahead of Justin Herbert on everybody's board,
including the Chargers. But they did sign up for two
of knowing he is injury prone and a major injury risk,
and he's not a great athlete. But they moved heaven
and earth because for the last twenty years they've been
trying to find the next Damn Marino. Look at what
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just happened to the Patriots. They had the guy, they
had guys sitting back behind them, they traded him for picks,
and bybody, you shouldn't have traded by the way, no
one has said you shouldn't have drafted Jimmy Garoppolo. Honestly, here,
here's a funny one. How many people have sat there
and go, you know that they had a chance of
Lamar Jackson, thought about drafting Lamar Jackson, chose not to
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draft Lamar Jackson. Why couldn't they Had they drafted Lamar Jackson,
would you've been This is slapping the face to Tom Brady.
The fact is the Packers are copying what's allowed the
Packers to maintain a level of success over the past
twenty plus years, having a star quarterback and drafting potentially
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his error parent. And oh yeah, by the way, as
long as as long as Aaron Rodgers is healthy, they're
gonna be above plus win team. And if that happens,
guess what they won't be doing drafting early in the
draft and have a chance to draft one of the
next star quarterbacks. This is the best possible scenario. And
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then here's the here's one last part. Some guys play
better when they're feeling the love. Some guys play better
when things are a little bit disheveled. Some guys play
better when they're piste off. Right, they're ticked off. That's
Aaron Rodgers. One of the big motivators for this amount
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of success and the ability to continue to try and
be successful is Aaron Rodgers doesn't have a chip on
his shoulder. He's got a whole bag of Doritos. And
so Aaron Rodgers mad, Yeah, all right, he's mad. Guess
what he can't do, can't go anywhere else. I guess what.
He has been paid more money than everybody else. And
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if he's a little bit mad, and it picks him
off and makes him play a little bit better to
stick it to the man. I don't see where the
loss is fifty three guys on a roster. If your
quarterback is a little bit miffed, don't worry. That same
quarterback would be miffed if you took a quarterback in
the second, third, fourth, fifth, six, or seventh round. That's
a fact. When Peyton Manning was an Indy, he would
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call the front office anytime they would draft a quarterback.
Who's this guy? Philip Rivers the same. They all do it.
They all do it. So maybe Aaron Rodgers isn't happy,
but he's at least been through this before. Now that
the shoe is on the other foot. And oh yeah,
by the way, the Packers have not eliminated themselves from
drafting a wide receiver or a tight end in today
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or tomorrow's NFL draft. Meanwhile, their overall roster just got deeper.
They got a developmental quarterback who if, in fact, he
does become what people think he could become, it'll be
used about the time where Aaron Rodgers is getting over
the hill. We've told you all year long that this
feels like a team closer to building to winning twelve
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to fourteen games every year than they are too. They're
not at the end of the run. And maybe to
you that says, well, they should have drafted t Higgins. Okay,
if te Higgins was so good, how come the other
seven teams that drafted after him didn't draft Tea Higgins?
And by the way, it doesn't mean they can't trade
up and draft Tea Higgins today or any wide receiver
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that you like. I get it the Packers, and it wasn't.
There was nothing deceptive. They were talking openly to these team,
to these players, and trying to get a good feel
for all the quarterbacks just in case this scenario happened,
and one of the most talented but unpolished quarterbacks just
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so happened to fall to them, and they took advantage
of it in a very very, very eerie, eerily similar
way to which they took advantage to Aaron Rodgers, who
was a better player in college and thought to go
number one overall, but he was sitting there just about
the same draft pick. If the only guy who's unhappy
is Aaron Rodgers, and Aaron Rodgers is well compensated under
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contract for a couple more years, and he plays better
when he's ticked off, what is in fact the issue?
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incredible digital series in depth conversation with the top three
quarterbacks in the NFL Draft. So that's to h Herbert
and Jordan's love. That's gonna be on Showtime Sports YouTube
channel and Mark joins us. Mark, thanks so much. I mean,
obviously we're talking about the Seahawks and uh, their head coach,
Pete Carroll was was your head coach? And you know
he famously said, oh you know that's not not yet.
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What was what was your experience? Like, what do you
remember about draft night? Oh man, it was a well
worn of emotions. And pardon me in advance if I
have to go change down my little man, I gotta
key old run around the house. So makes things fun,
especially when you're doing interviews. But let's see we the
night before that, you know, information press conference, like coach
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you know, uh says, you know, I don't want Mark
to leave and I don't think it's a good idea,
and he disagrees with my decision. What people don't know
is that night before he was in my apartment, still
about two in the morning, and we're eating in and
out burgers, talking about everything under the sign, about football,
the NFL, college, our families, different stuff. And at the
end of the night he was just like, listen, I know,
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I know you're set on what you want to do.
I just I don't agree with you. And you know
I have some numbers to prove my point. You know,
I still support you. It's not like I don't like
you anyway. And so I said, yeah, I understand. And
so the next day when he said that, I had
already know and what was going to happen, but it
just came off so poorly and was received so poorly publicly.
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And then there's this picture in the La Times where
they caught us like passing each other after we had
already like shaking hands or given each other hug or whatever,
and it just looks like, where this is strange, you know,
divorced couple or something. And so it took down a
whole new a lot of loose and unfortunately it made
coach look bad and it looked like, oh, you know,
because says lamb or whatever. And I remember him calling
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me that that same day after the first come was like,
holy god, I didn't I didn't mean for it to
go that way. I just simply wanted to explain that
I disagree with you, but you know you're a good
kid and we love you. Yeah, I get it. Listen.
Most important question, what's your inter and out order? Oh?
I usually go double double right now. Quarantine orders fly
a three days of me because I'm just getting way
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too big. And uh, let's see, I'll go. Do you
ever get the cut chilies? It's like a secret menu
item they have, like the peppuccini's or whatever, and they'll
put them up and put them in the burger to
give a little kick. It awesome. So, but but what's
the what's the slang for it? Do I have to
say cut chilies or what? You could just tell them
to add the chilies, cut chili slice stillings, But I
don't know what you're talking about. Yes, I know this,
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this is this is a bit. Hold. I'm writing this down.
I'm currently in Newport Beach. That that we I have
not had in and out all weeks. So this is
you know, I was thinking about Carney a soda for
dinner tonight, but I may I'll go in and out
this weekend. Okay, we're going grilled onions or no grilled onions. Yeah,
just an animal style cut chilies, animal style cut chili's, uh,
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of course. And of course fries people. I like them,
the animal stuf fries. I just eat my burger without
the paper around it and let it all drip on
the side, so it's like a giant version of the
animal style fries. I like it. Mark Sanchez professional in
and out Orderer college UH football analysts and of course
UH former star quarterback with the New York Jets when
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the two AFC Championship games, joined us on the Doug
Gotlip Show on Fox sport Trading. I think one of
the big questions about you coming out was not how
good you were, but you didn't have a ton of
experience in college because you're buried. But you know, USC
at the time was so loaded. I think it's like
fourteen games you played and then you started basically right
away with with the Jets. What was that? Like? What
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what is this? Now? Obviously it's very different for the
three guys you've interviewed, UM, because we don't we're not
gonna have rookie minicamp. You probably don't have O, T, A. S.
You don't have and so that the chance of them
really being successful might be minimized. And and and look
all three of them right now. We'll see what happens
in Cincinnati, UM with with Burrow. But but all four
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of those quarterbacks have a veteran already there, so they
probably don't play. What's it like to go from fairly
inexperienced college starting quarterback, first round pick to starting with
the Jets like that that period of time? What's that like?
Listen for all four of those guys. I think if
anybody was ready uh to step in and play right away,
I would have said that just because of his experience,
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that how many throws and how many reps he's gotten,
real live reps in games in the SEC. And it
reminds me a lot of Matt Stafford and how seasons
he was coming out of the draft or something like
me when we played sixteen games. That reminds me rule
more of like Jorgan lows Um or you know, Ta
and Herbert have much more experience. They have that Stafford experience,
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but with Herbert's been a little more inconsistent at times.
You wanted to see some bigger moments. You wanted to
see him, you know, just take over a game kind
of thing. And you know, you can argue either way
whether he has or has not done that. But for him,
it wouldn't hurt to see somebody else, especially, like you said,
when you don't have an offseason like this, to step
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in and play is tough, man, It is really really tough.
And what would have been probably potentially better for my career, maybe, yeah,
to sit and watch look at Aaron Rodgers, look at
Carson Palmer, look at Patrick Mahomes. Got to sit behind
Alex Smith. Really um he he he handled his interception
habit from college that he came into the league with
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because he sat behind Alex Smith for an entire year.
One of the best guys are taking care of the football,
one of the best guys that understanding how your reads
and your feet tie into your progressions and timing and
going through those progressions, how that all ties together. And
he got to watch somebody who was really good at
it for an entire year. And that's really important for
these young guys. That is paramount. So I would say,
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for two, I just physically give him a gear, let
him mannate, let him watch, let him learn from Fitzpatrick,
a guy who's been all around the league, and let
him see what he does well, what he doesn't do
so well, and then give a chance for he's completely healthy.
We need you to know for a fact that hip
is healed and he's ready to go. But unfortunately, in
this wind now Mount, the way the NFL is and
the way people are gonna be starving to the young
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players to play. You know, the charters, they're gonna have pressure.
With a new stadium, new hot shot quarterback out of
the pack twelve West Coast kids, they're gonna want see
him play. So as long as they don't succumb to
that pressure, that you have the potential to let this
kid marinate, take him out of the oven at the
right song, and then cut a loose Jordan Love. He's
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got the best situation in the world in my opinion.
Aaron Rodgers went through the exact same thing, literally exact
same thing, same age, and and and everything, and and
Aaron Rodgers was Aaron Rodgers wasn't crazy experienced either, right
did Juco? And then two years ago, and and and
not Aaron Rodgers fault that he got drafted. He's just
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working his ass off and trying to get drafted. So
it's not Jordan Luft's fault, you know. So hopefully, you
know Aaron's learned from that situation and he can help
that young kid without obviously giving up his job. There's
no doubt Aaron Rodgers starter, and he should be as
long as he wants to be. Um, there's nothing wrong
with helping that young kid. Your first start was Houston
on the road. What do you remember? I remember we
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had some crazy third downs. Um, I remember threw a
garbage interception and we had a we had a shutout
an ouption in our own territory. Today I think they
got a field goal or sport maybe. So Rex really
wanted to shut out in his first in his first outing,
so he was all this um, but it was it
was incredible. Just I got to talk to Joe Nama
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before the game. I remember being so nervous. I forgot
I forgot to date my ankles. We're like midway through
the first quarter. I was like God, I totally forgotten.
I opened up my thought. I was like, dang it.
So I ran over the train. I got him takes
on the sideline. I mean, just a little stuff like that.
You're there's so many butterflies and excitement. My high school
coaches there, who had, you know, tutored me as a
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quarterback coach for a long time. He made the trip
out from California and watched me, and my whole family
was there, so it was It's an incredible experience. And listen,
I wouldn't change anything that I went through. But if
I could advise these young kids, understand they're hungry to play.
I understand that I'm trumpet it a bit to get
on the field and and continue as a starter. But
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I could give him any advice, I would just say, hey, listen,
then there's nothing wrong with watching somebody do it for
a little getting your bearings and then jumping in the fire.
Now you only had you only had Kellen Clemens there,
and he is he was the second round pick, and
he and he was a little bit older than you,
but not much older than you. Um and and a
little bit like Tyrod Taylor. Yeah, situation for Herbert similar,
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you know, a guy with experience. He's played, I've been
in it, but not you know, like crazy established starter
necessarily you you late in your career when you're with
the Bears. There's that famous clip and I I don't know
if you've seen it where uh where you're giving him
a little pep talk in the snow before he's right? Right?
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Was it no bad reads? What was it? Do you
remember the quote? It was one game day that you
don't make anything up. There's no new there's no magic potion,
there's no new reads, there's no new footwork. Nothing changes
that then, and it's a reminder of there's different ways
to say it, right. You don't rise to the occasion.
Nobody rises to the occasion. You sink to the level
of your training. Coach Kelly used to tell us that
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all the time. Um, you know there's people only say that. Well,
you know, in big moments, big time players come through. Well,
that's what they do. They've been doing that forever. The
moment on the outside is different, the circumstances might be different,
but that's who they are. And um, so it was
just it's always a reminder that you're not gonna make
anything up today. That's gonna suddenly win the game. What's
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what's gonna win the game is your fundamentals, great footwork,
gray reads, and completing the football. That's it. And you know,
as I did it in a grouten voice, just to
change it out, just to mess with them a little bit.
But he, you know, he loves that kind of stuff.
And that's the way. That's the way I talked to
these young guys in this three part series because I
broke the ice immediately reminding them that, hey man, I've
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been in your shoes. I know everybody's like fighting for
a PC right now, whether it's you know, both headphones
or Adida's footwear or whatever. I'm not that guy. I
don't need anything from you. I don't want anything from
you except to watch you play well on Sundays. So
I'll give you everything I got as long as you
want to work hard in this film session, let's do it.
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And they were all very receptive, so that makes it fun.
What's that? How? How are you able to do that?
Because like, look, everybody's got an ego, you know, and
people can say whatever they want about your career, Like, dude,
you played in two a f C championship, games. Okay,
like you know, you made plays and you won football game. Like,
look your your second game, whether or not people thought
you put up great set your second game as the starter,
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your beat the New England Patriots. Okay, that that did
happen back when Rex Ryan's team was the net was
was that that bug that would constantly but you know
the can't wait Jets for the Patriots, you were, you
were the quarterback. But to go from there to then
being the the old head backup, like when you're in Dallas,
das year DA's first year, what's what's that like? For
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what's that like for you? I got a great story
for you when we were lacing up our cleats and
the hunt goes out to the kid. I know his
brother passed away, so I'm just I don't even want
to text him. I love him so much and I
just want to get him my space. But um, you know,
if he does hear this, I love him to death
and and I'm so sorry about his loss. But he um,
he became one of my favorite people, one of my
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favorite quarterbacks because he uh, he's considerably younger than me.
And I became, like you said, that old head veteran guy.
We're lacing up our cleats in getting ready during bye
week in Dallas to play Green Day, where Dac essentially
leaves the team down the field. There's a clip of
me smacking him on the head after his drive and
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I hit him so hard. I thought I almost broke
my thumb because I hit his home at sodying hard.
But I remember during then Aaron Rodgers obviously pulls out
that miracle and beats beats us in the playoffs. Well,
that week we can come to it. Dac and I
are sitting there lacing up our cleets for like a
Wednesday by week practice where it's just kind of a
walk through and kind of deal. And he goes, now,
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none of the Zillies I was like in elementary school,
but maybe junior high. But when you were playing with
the Jets. That said thanks a lot. And he goes, no, man, like,
you're really good. You guys had some good teams that
you played pretty long. Man, you played a lot of
playoff games. He said, yeah, dude, that's just kind of looked.
I'm like, yeah, he goes, man, that's crazy. I said,
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I guess, thanks a lot. So it felt like the
whole year I'm like, the whole year, you didn't know like, okay, great,
literally literally literally anything that I was teaching you right, literally,
you were just that other white guy that was in
the room that wasn't wasn't Romo, right, that's it. I
was like, wow, thanks, so humanizing. And that's who he is.
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I mean, he doesn't care about stuff like that. He
just wants the ball and that's why I loved him
so much. What was that like when Tony handed the
throne to him? That was a that's a that's a
big moment when he said, Tony Famish said football is
a meritocracy. This is his team. You were the backup there,
you were, you were there? Then what was that like?
Oh man, it's uh. I mean, it's a change in
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the guard. It's passing on the torch and you can
do it in a lot of different ways. And Tony
did it in that press conference in a very mature
and professional way. And I know that you know that hurts.
That hurts having to do that. It hurts knowing that
your time there's is over, and especially after everything he
gave it to that team and so that was that's
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something that's very difficult and um, but I think you
handled it, you know, in that scenario in that press
conference appropriately. Um. Yeah, that's uh, that's a tough one, man.
That's that's never fun for anybody. No, it's not. Um
what last last thing? And I know you gotta go.
We do to Showtime Sports has teamed up with Mark
Sanchez kind of spend some time with this. So you
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sit down with two, uh, with Herbert, with with with
Jordan's you told them, you told us that, you told them.
You know, I've I've been in your been in your shoes. Um,
but but is which one of these three are you
most confident is going to make it? Oh gosh, you're
telling me, Doug. Listen, I think with the proper wait time,
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these could be the top quarterbacks we're talking about for
a long time. And that's an easy statement to say.
I love them all right, but I really do. I
think Herbert can use the time in a huge market
to figure out who he wants to be to watch
somebody like Tyrod who's been around the league for a
while and gleaned from him, you know, the right things
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to do, the wrong things to do. He's the most
like you, He's the most he not look he played
a lot more in college and you did. But he's
the most like you right where he's He's a really
good big market wise. But I mean you talked about
a physical specimen. This kid is huge. I mean he's
six six, all of six six, and he ran stub
four seven aroun So this dude is like lapping me
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in the mile. It's not even close. He's a freak.
And the ball jumps out of his hand. The same
thing with love. This kid's all of six three plus
and the ball jumps out of his hand. He does
some Patrick Mahomes type stuff. And we see it on
his film. I showed in these episodes and you're you
look at him and you're like, whoa where did that
come from? The same thing with two of the way
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he processes the ball jumps out of his hand. He's twitching.
He's is so instinctive he can almost he has a
hard time articulating what exactly he did and how he
processed to make the place he made. He's so instinctive,
and that's crazy. I've never been around somebody like that,
and I've been around a lot of quarterbacks. So it
was these three are impressive and they all have those traits,
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but now it's how are you going to handle him?
Are you gonna keep the coaching stuff the same? Are
you gonna try and build the team around this guy?
Is every decision you make in this franchise made with
the intention of this quarterback to succeed. If it isn't,
don't do it. That's definitely only advice to to everybody
who drafted him. I'm gonna get killed by producer. I
gotta ask you one more. I think Burrows rise he
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he hasn't even identified. It's so much of it. This
sports is about confidence, right, as you said, Like all
these guys can throw, all these guys can can make plays,
but it's about confidence. And I would and you tell
me if I'm wrong. But I think a good portion
of your career what happened was you people didn't have
confidence in you, and then at some point in time
you lost confidence in your own game. You see the
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same thing happening in Chicago. I think with with Trabiskia
at times, how do you how does how does the
best maintain that confidence? What's what was the flaw maybe
that allowed you lose your confidence? I think a lot
of it is between the players ears number one. You're right,
but I think a lot of it, Like I said,
is are the decisions that are made around him that
are out of his control. You can only control so much,
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and when there are all these new variables constantly, that
makes life difficult. New receivers, new coaches, new systems. Look
at Alex Smith, until he got into a stable environment,
just like raising a child. If he's around you know
two parents who fight all the time, I think you
could be a little rocky for a while, until he
gets into place where everybody's a little more harmonious. It
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could be, it could be much better for him. And
it's the same way with a quarterback psyche. But the
biggest thing for these guys is like what happens next?
And the only thing I can liken it too in
a way is it's like a boxer. You fight your
whole life. You're one of the toughest, you're one of
the strongest. You've you've got stamina, you can punch hard,
you can take punches, you can do it all right,
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But until you become the champ, nothing's different. But as
soon as you become the champ, what does everybody call you? Hey, champ?
Everything changes overnight, within a matter of twelve rounds. You
don't change as a person. You know, bigger, faster, stronger,
smarter than you were total rounds before that. If anything,
you're more tired. But now the people around you change,
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the narrative changes. Now you're the champ, then everything changes
their whole life. He's guys have no idea. The world
just got flipped on its end. They're they're twenty two
years old whatever, there's one years old, million the dollars
in the bank, and they're expected to make decisions like
a sixty five year old judge. It's crazy, it's unbelievable,
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and people don't people don't think about that. Mark, great stuff.
Thanks for the in and out heads up. I'm gonna
order that this weekend chase after that three year old
and I can't wait to see this on Showtime Sports
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Easter Noon Pacific. Cowboys lost Byron Jones free agent Miami Dolphins. Dolphins.
Dolphins are gonna be better. They're gonna be better, Uh,
Robert Quinn. But you know who's a pass rusher, right,
and there was there was no Accuda type player available
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when they drafted, and like, look, Ceedee Lamb was the
number one wide receiver and a top ten guy on
their board, and that's what they went with. Like I
kind of think we we sometimes outthink things. We're like, well,
they should have Okay, let's look at the guys who
were taken behind him. Uh, Damon Arnette was seen as
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a reach but very talented cornerback out of Ohio State.
They weren't taking Austin Jackson, who up and down obviously
a big kid who's talented, but um maybe a bit
of a project. I do think they could have taken
Cleavan case In Casson from l s U. Justin Jefferson
was available, but Ceedee Lamb was they had ahead of him.
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Kenneth Murray, who who I mean, Like the Chargers traded
up to get him because they thought they believed that
somebody else would would get after him. I mean, here's
a guy they've been looking for a will linebacker for
seven years and they they found it in Kenneth Murray,
and they thought he was a top ten guy. He
was available at twenty three. They love him, so I mean,
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when you know, you go and look. And Jordan Brooks
was looked as a reach Patrick McQueen. They don't need
another line acker. The only other thing that that Cowboys
could have done was take a safety. And if you
don't have a safety, as with the first round grade
on your board, you don't do what's the classic thing
that people tell you not to do in the draft,
don't reach for a need. And I I it's an
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interesting I like Amari Cooper. I think he's making too
much money. No one else they have kind of jumps
off the page at you Blake Jarwin. Obviously they signed
up to be a tight end who continues to improve.
Had him on great story from a walk on at
Okaha State than an undrafted player. But like, look, they
do need to fix their defense. But if you just
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go out and get the best players, that plan generally works.
Maybe you trade one of them, maybe you keep all
of them. But this is a league in which the
teams with the better players do have a tendency to win.
They're not one player away in the middle of the
middle to end of the first round. From from being
a super Bowl team, but they could be one. They've
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been in a position going back before they got a
Marie Cooper of Hey, what happens if we don't have
enough wide receivers? Then Dak just isn't that good? Right
when they lost tomorrow when Marie Cooper wasn't playing well.
Their offense stunk when they didn't have Marie Cooper. Their
offense stunk when they didn't have their running back Zeke Elliott.
Their offense stunk when they had one piece that wasn't firing.
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So now you add an additional piece. Doc is a
good player. He's made into being a great player when
he has talent around him, and getting more talent only
makes that more obvious. I like to pick I like
Ceedee Lamb and and whether or not he can be
their go to wide receiver. He might not have to
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because they have Mary Cooper. You can only double one guy,
and if somebody's open, that's when Dad can be really
good throwing them open. That's not really what he does.
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just form NFL scout Um. Let's start with Ceedee Lamb
will work our way all around this draft. I don't
hate it. He's a really good player and he was
around a little bit longer than maybe they thought they
had him. Like how is described to me as everybody's
board looks different. And if a guy is much higher
on your board and he's still available, especially a wide
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receiver in the league which has become the dominant path,
you know, dominated by the past, and you have a
quarterback who's much better when he has good players around him,
I don't hate it. What do you think I'm with you?
I mean you get to the point to me path
like pick fifteen, there's a chance for a huge discrepancy
on your board, and I think talking to people around
the league, Ceedee Lamb wasn't liked, he was loved. You know,
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I've been on a lot of boards. He was a
top seven eight player. And the cowboys who listen, it's
an offensive league. The more weapons you can have, A
Mari is a completely different player as well. Right, he's
more of a route runner, a softer player. They have
a power running back, and now they have kind of
more of a physical jump ball, you know, maybe a
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little smoother. I don't want I mean, I'm just gonna
compare him to DeAndre Hopkins. I don't know if he's
gonna be as good as DeAndre Hopkins. But that's, you know,
kind of a style. And you you you want to
me to always have a little balance of your two
wide receivers, of your one and two guys to be
a little different. You don't want guys to be identically
the same. It's like, you know, basketball is a great example, right,
you want your one guy to do one thing and
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the other your other wing to do another, and it
balances out. It makes your offense really more explosive. And
think about McCarthy, Doug, how many sweet wide receivers he's
had over the years and the Rogers runs where they
were all a little different and it worked pretty perfectly
and they scored a lot of points. Um, all right,
let's let's let's let's talk Aaron Rodgers. Um should he
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be ticked that they took Jordan's love? Well, here's the problem,
Like a defining element of his career was people somewhat
feel bad for him that Farv was kind of an
able to him, right, and he is he gonna be
able to do that now to a younger guy. The
difference is Rogers, while somewhat remember his throwing motion was
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a little weird in college, he was a way better
prospect coming out of col than Jordan's love is coming
out of Utah State and the other thing you could
have been. He could have been the number one, probably
should have been the number one overall pick. Instead they
took Alex Smith big time. And I would say over
the last fifteen years, a player of Rogers talent accomplishments.
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I mean he almost beat USC the one year when
they were humming, probably doesn't fall past the top like
ten ever again, so that was it was a one
off and two I just he it's like there, it's
not a threat because he's not gonna be close to
his good though. I think if you're Rogers and you
go where we were thirteen and three, we were in
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the NFC Championship while we got boat raced. Aren't we
just a couple of players away from thinking of hell,
maybe we could compete with the Diners, maybe we could
win the NFC. And now we're taking a player that yeah,
he's not gonna be able to beat me out for years,
but he's not doing anything for us. Couldn't we have
taken a wide receiver and maybe Gudikins would tell him, well,
there weren't any guys of value. The thing that's kind
of crazy that I would understand Roger's side a little
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is you guys trade it up to get him. It'd
be one thing if you just sat there and took him.
They got kind of aggressive to go get the player.
So I I see both sides of this. Uh. I
also think it just shows you it happens every single
player ever that Aaron Rodgers time in Green Bay now
is finite, whether it's gonna be two years or three years,
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but he's not gonna finish his career as a Green
Bay Packer. I don't agree with that. I mean, I
I just don't. I mean, I think, like, look, Jordan
loves a couple of years away, right, Well, you and
I both agree on that, Okay, so he's a couple
of years away. Rogers hasn't been healthy his whole career,
but like this whole idea that they haven't been haven't
given respect, like day more any than anybody's ever gotten
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in the history of the sport. Well, no, I'm not,
but so so looking and we'll figure like in the
next two years, it's all guaranteed. You know, he's got
all guaranteed money, so he's not going anywhere. Plus you're
not gonna play the kid. And then at the end
of two years, like we'll see and if he's if
if Jordan Loft still hasn't played, he's still probably gonna
have first round value because people will think he's sitting
there waiting and they're holding onto him, and he'll probably
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light up preseason games, right, And because as long as
he doesn't play, or he'll play games seventeen of a
couple of years, he'll still have value. And you'll try
and you'll figure it out then agree. But the one thing,
though is these guys are now the new GM and
the new coach are invested into this individual, and you're right,
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financially they are tied to Rogers. There's no even questioning.
For the next two years, he can't even trade him
because of the dead cap. But after that, some of
it's on Jordan level. He's gotta be You're not just
gonna give it to him. To be stunk. Part of
the reason they went from Far to Rogers. Far was
slipping and Rogers was could crush in practice. Now here's
the other thing. Rodgers did show signs that he was
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diminishing a little bit, So we'll see, maybe just inspires him.
Maybe he you know, remember they did the same thing
with Brady and Jimmy, but Brady just kept playing well
and it kind of forced their hands. So I guess,
any anyone to the owner, anyone to the owner, anyone
anyone to the owner. But but if you agree, if
Jordan's loves get to the point where he's as good
as Jimmy Garoppolo, Rodgers would be in trouble. Yes, yeah,
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and and Rogers continues to if he Rogers starts to decline.
But I also think that Rogers the guy that his
whole career has been built in the fact that he's
been energized by thinking he's been slighted. And he thought
he thought the NFL slided him. He's in the green
room longer than anybody else. The Niners slided him, Far
slided him. He carries that that bag of chips on
his shoulder. And if this is one more and it
gets into play well, it gets him to kick everybody's
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ass and take names. So so be it. I'm not
I'm not even like a like a ticked off and
motivated Aaron Rodgers is not the worst thing in the world.
But but I do think he could he could go well, guys,
but not Nurs traded up and they got Brandon. Why
didn't we do that exact same move we had we
had less room to go up. Why why wouldn't we
get that to go with Davante and kind of just
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be like, Okay, we're back. Yeah, No, it's a it's
a it's a great question. Let's see what they Let's
see how it plays out today. Let's see what what
happens today. Um, which quarterback is in out? You know,
let's not talk about love anymore, but of Herbert hung
of Ioloa and Joe Burrow. Who's in the best position
to succeed? I think Herbert by far. I mean, the
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Chargers had a night last night. Kenneth Murray's stud and
Herbert is going to a team that has two stud
wide receivers. I mean, Keenan Allen is one of the
more consistent guys in the league. You got Mike Williams,
who was a great jump ball wide receiver and has
been making play since he was a Clemson kicking Bamas.
But you have Austin Ekeler who's a quarterback's best friend,
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and you have Hunter Henry. I mean they are because
you asked for. Much like most guys that get drafted
in the top six, they usually go to like to
a tong of boyloa who who is going to realize
fast like Waddle and Judy and they walk up through
that door. And Burroughs, best wide receiver in a j
Green has been injured, is probably gonna be unhappy and
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that team just stinks Joe Mixons okay, but other than that,
they don't have weapons. I think, Herbert, you couldn't ask
to be a top six quarterback to go. I'm trying
to think back in recent memory. Is there a better
situation for a rookie quarterback to enter into that's been
drafted that high. You'd be hard for us to find one. Yeah,
And and I don't think he has to play right
away either, like I I legit think that, and Tyrod
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has been in that situation before with the younger guy.
You know, it doesn't me have to like it, but
it's still his team until until it's not. I tend
to agree with you and the point you made the
Kenneth Murray pick. I mean, they had him in the
top ten on their board and they've been looking for
a will linebacker for I think seven years. Seven years.
You go back and I was shocked that he lasted there.
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I mean, I thought him and Patrick Queen I talked.
I was texting with a guy today in a league,
and historically middle linebackers or just like just linebackers in general,
aren't valued like a lot of other positions. In two
thousand twenty, with how talented the tight ends and running
backs are and how side to side also the running
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game is, those guys, to me are so valuable and
him and Patrick Queen, the Ravens and the Chargers got those.
How did those guys last the mid twenties, the good teams.
It's just it's shocking to me. Who who had the
biggest head scratching night. My issue with the Arizona Cardinals
taking Isaiah Simmons. Steve Come had a lot of success taken,
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the Honey Badgers taken Buchanan, the kid from Washington State,
and when he had Todd Bowls and Todd bowles. As
we saw last year in Tampa, is really good even
in New York. I know they're he ended up getting fired,
but he really didn't have any for what they had
talent wise. They were trying to be bad and one
six games. He is a great chess player. He can
move and you to live players vance Joseph has not
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been good. The Cardinals defense last year was pitiful in
in Denver his two years there, they fell off a cliff.
So when you take a guy like that as a
general manager, it's it's now out of Steve Time's hands.
Like he's not running the scheme, he's not coaching the
practices that that is a very risky pick given the
coordinator and even the head coach is Cliff Kingsbury, who
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has nothing to do with defense, and that to me,
I don't know, man, I I think I would have
gone safe offensive line there. I I get in theory
what he's trying to do, just the way they're equipped
with their coaching staff. I don't love it at all.
The Tristan worst Tampa thing was the most obvious thing ever,
right like that felt like and I don't think he's perfect,
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but he's a right tackle. They need a right tackle,
and he's good and talented. What should what should the
expectations though for Tom Brady b of a rookie right
tackle trying to win a super Bowl, Well, he's already
getting eat right because Tom clearly is not a big
quarantine guy. And I don't blame because Tom Brady is
thinking one thing and one thing only. I'm trying to
win the Super Bowl and shove it in Belichick's face
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this year. So the no O t A s it's
got to be killing them and it's just it is
gonna be somewhat of a challenge. And you and I
have talked about this before, Arians him meshing together, Like
you could argue of any team that's probably gonna be
good this fall, and I think it's fair to say
they were gonna be pretty good if they had a
normal off season. They've got to just be you know,
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killing themselves. Like we gotta get together because Arians and
Brady the meshing up the offenses, uh, even like what
he wants and you know, even his offensive lineman that
the checks and the calls that he's had are gonna
change or maybe try to adapt some of the stuff
they've done in New England. It's complicated stuff, so I
it's gonna be even a right tackle is in theory
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of plug in play position? Well, how does Tom call it?
How does arians call it? What's their final verbiage? Like
it's it might kind of get all thrown together fast
starting just in raining camp. I kind of like what
the Vikings did last night. Like I I like Jefferson.
I think he's a much less expensive, maybe not as
refined version. You know Currence, they lose Stefon Diggs. You're
placed him with a rookie was really talented. And then
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I know Glad Neither's some mock the field stuff there,
but uh, it's a dynamic DEFENSEI needed a cornerback. I
like what they did, really like what they did. Yeah,
I'm a big Justin Jefferson guy. And while digs in
a weird way, even though you think Cousins wouldn't be
good at that type, player was productive when cutting through him,
the ball just the divan is get him out of there.
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Justin Jefferson comes right in with feeling Dalvin Cook that
offense is gonna be good. Right to me? The corner
when you look historically over the guys Zimmer and Spielman
of drafted like they haven't missed on a lot of
high end corners. Lately, Wayne's turned out to not be
that great. Mackenzie Alexander, the little nickel they drafted out
of Clemson, has been hit or missed. Though. I'm with you,
I like this guy just what I've seen of him
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from of his highlight clips. People I've talked to the
league like him. But we'll just see. Now, they just
need a corner. They cut Xavier Rhodes. Waynes is no
longer there. They just needed, you know, a high end
type talent at least they can work with. And at
the end of the day, Zimmer's probably a top two
or three defensive mind slash coach in the league. So
you feel good about taking a chance on a guy
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at the end of the first round. Where is Caesar
Louis going to play for the Saints? That's a good question.
I mean, I center guard, I mean ask he only
has two options. Uh, why wouldn't he play center? Someone
texted me in the league today. I just that was
a little bit of a head scratcher. You know, typically
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you can get just interior offensive lineman. I guess this
guy was clearly the top interior offensive lineman in the draft.
I mean you can just tell by the draft, and
no other guy even we've even really talked about. I
just don't like invest in first round picks into that guy.
But you know, they had their they had their shot
right at Jordan's Love, which I I thought at twenty
four they were gonna take Jordan Love and when they
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didn't shows you maybe it's Joan Payton didn't like him
that much. But a're right, just you're trying to win
a Super Bowl this year. Take a center. Uh it's
not really my cup of tea, but you know who
am I to question? Sean Payton and Mickey Looms have
had They've had a lot of success. But I was
with you, that was I didn't see that coming. Yeah,
I didn't either. Patriots. Patriots now have a have a
pretty pretty solid day, pretty decent day ahead of them.
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What are your expectations for the Patriots? Well, Bell just
traded while the other team was still on the clock,
so he wanted to know part of any of the
guys in the first round, really, what could they not do?
I mean, they need more explosive playmakers is deep wide
receiver draft? Uh, they need you know, their defense is
a tad old. McCarthy's getting up there, High Tower is
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getting up there. Jamie Collins and Van Oya are now
gone again, So I are they just kind of doing
a rebuild of this is kind of their first base
for next year, maybe going after their quarterback. It does
feel it does? It does feel that way, right, doesn't
like you just try to accumulate a bunch of set
the third round picks, try to hit on you know,
six of them and have a core group of just
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solid starters around a guy. Yes, that's what That's what
it feels like. And and if you they have video
and they're chief if you and there's video out of
of them making the trade. I don't know if you
saw the video, but they're like, oh, just Jefferson's going
to Minnesota. Okay, now let's do it right. So it
was obvious that they were Jefferson was like the cut
off of you. They need to know, they needed a playmaker.
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They haven't had good luck and wide receivers. And once
he was gone, I was surprised that they didn't, you know,
I mean, Murray was there for them. Queen was there
for them. I don't know if they what they think
of some you know, Jordan Brooks obviously that people thought
would be around later, but it is. It does feel
to me like they're going to use this as a
almost like a gap year, try and figure out what
they like, what they don't like. If it's bad, they'll
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just sell off some of those pieces late in the
year and then it can do a complete reboot next year.
I also think he values we invested a pick, a
pretty good pick, a fourth rounder instead him. We've had
him for a year, were high on him. We're gonna
do a good job of just accumulating some players around
him and just see what he's got and if it
doesn't work, it's easy for us to pivot. Right. He
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never kind of pigeonholes him in one way. And like
you said, they have what I've always heard is they
to use a clump of players like they're never bound
to one individual guy. They know their spot, they get
three or four guys, and if if those three or
four guys are gone, they're just never married or never
gonna force anything. That's why they always trade draft picks
back because like we're not going to trade a guy
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that we don't think it's worth that, because they also
factor in whatever you draft a guy at whatever, you're
paying him first round money, and we don't think you're
a first round player. Seattle also historically is tried to
shy away from that. Yeah, and and they have cap
issues and you know, you know they have they have
the dead dead cat money to Brady and uh, you know,
I actually still think they're gonna be solid, Doug, Like,
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I don't think they're gonna think they're gonna be fine.
I think I think I think they'll be fine. You know,
I think for the wild card spot. Yeah, well, I mean,
like again, unless I'm terrible, right, if Stidham is terrible,
if they can't score, you know, um well, you know,
well then then I think mid season they start selling
off pieces and start looking towards the future. You know.
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I mean, they're gonna if it gets bad, Stefan Gilmour
will be traded for a bounty, right that That's what
will be and they'll be able and in the last
year of a deal, and they don't want to they
won't have to redo that one. Um, okay, just just
want one or two More's John Miokoff, our guest on
the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. UM,
(50:31):
who would you be most excited for if you were
a fan and he goes today? That's a pretty good question.
I'd say the running back from Georgia's Swift is a
pretty dynamic and we've seen the last several years, the
running backs taken in the early thirties, you know, like
thirty five, thirty nine, kind of that Nick Chubb range
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can be immediate impact players. So usually the running backs
on the second day. It sounds like a second round pick,
but they're the equivalent for a running back up a
first round pick like you saw the running back first
round is really like pick thirty to you know, if
you're if you're drafted in that range, like Clyde the
kid that Chief Scott is going to be a stud.
I think that guy is gonna be really good. I've
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always liked Labisco Chanel, the kind of explosive receiver from Colorado.
Now there are a bunch of injury concerns, but when
he was healthy, I always thought he was a just
a bona fide pro. Uh So that's usually guys like
that end up today. Because there are question marks with
the injuries. Um yeah, I mean it's to me today
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is like when you get your non sexy like line,
you know, your guards and spenters start for your for
eight years, Um, I we we gotta go really quickly here.
But the burners we we had uh rugs on, you know,
like I feel like everybody wants to find their own
Tyreek Hill and Rigor went um and I know he
didn't run a great forty time. I just I don't know.
(51:58):
There's only one Tyreek Hill? Are those were those guys
reach for speed more than reach for need. Yeah? To me,
that guy is very dependent on the on the quarterback.
You know, you've seen Alex Smith with the ted Gins
and the Tyreek Kills early in his career and it
doesn't look the same as when he's with Mahomes. So
it's just Derek. The pressure now to me on Derek
Carr is immense dug like there is no really excuse.
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But it might this first year if it doesn't go well,
it might not even be Ruggs as fault at least
with reagor with the Eagles, like Carson could sling it
and he will throw it now he's to me, Ruggs
is much more ready made, but the other guy, just
given his quarterback, is going to be set up more
to succeed to me. You know, early on John middle Call,
follow him on Twitter, followed on Facebook. You get all
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