November 29, 2025 • 31 mins
Colin reveals where he was right and where he was wrong after last weekend's games. He talks about which NFL QBs belong at the adults' table, and which should be relegated to the kids' table in honor of Thanksgiving. And Doug Gottlieb welcomes former Bucs GM Mark Dominik to talk about the Cowboys, Shedeur Sanders and all of the headlines around the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
on Fox Sports Radio, and here we go where Colin
was right.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Well, I've been saying for weeks the Eagles are tempting faith.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's not right.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Saquon's falling off a cliff. You keep telling me Nick
Sirianni's a great coach, but the Philadelphia Eagles, something isn't working,
and to have twenty four straight unanswered points against a
rival is completely, absolutely unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It's not the end of the world.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
But don't tell me everything is fine and we'll just
keep figuring it out. Because I saw two years ago
a really good Eagles team circle the drain.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Where Colin was rowed.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I thought Chip Kelly was a solid choice, lots of
experience to be an offensive coordinator for Pete Carroll College
and pro. The run game absolutely nonexistent, now the old
line not very good, but the Raiders continue to look
backwards through the rearview mirror, Chip and Pete Carroll and
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Geno Smith.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
And I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I don't want to be mean, but the JJ McCarthy thing,
I don't know if he's even a backup. Three turnovers
and four yards in the second half. You could watch
how Green Bay was coaching. You could tell look at
their game plan green Bay, It's like, we're just gonna
run it. We don't need to take any big swings here.
So the second half against Green Bay is I mean,
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you can't just throw when you have all day and
you're leading. I mean, yesterday is nflquarterback playing on the road,
trailing to a very good team and a very good defense.
Everybody kept telling me this is the guy you got
a draft and he was the only quarterback in his class.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I said, I don't see it. I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I think I was right on that where Colin was
raw four years in. I'm not sure what USC is,
but when they play Notre Dame or in Oregon, the
defense is below average and the special teams are a wreck.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I mean, that's just the reality is and the offense.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Now feels like basically Malik Malachai Lemon, McKay Lemon. It's
a one man offense. They got a you know, they're
down to walk ons on the offensive line. They did
not recruit Southern California well enough the first three years.
They spent a lot of money on nil and not
all of it. Well, I don't know. I don't think
they're close. When you have twenty seven carries and run
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for fifty two yards in the biggest game in a
couple of years, that's not close. Oregon was missing their
top three receivers, didn't seem to bother them.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Ho's wrong where Colin was right once.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Again, I said, Pittsburgh, look at their schedule. Steelers will
get hot early four and one, and now they're two
and three in their last five games. One of my
picks of the week was anti Steeler goes Chicago. They
no longer lead the division. I mean, Baltimore is not
even playing well. In a month, They've flown past them.
They're not creative, very rarely, very infrequently on offense. They
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spend a forts on defense, and their defense isn't very good.
It's twenty eight, right, Now, this defense with the Steelers
is the worst in franchise history. That's how and it's
the most expensive again, so they're spending all the money,
they're paying all the attention to defense.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It's still bad. Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Once again, the Bills are too Josh Allen reliant. Buffalo
is now one in four unless Josh Allen has three touchdowns.
That's ridiculous. I mean, at this point, I don't like
their offensive line. They don't have a deep threat. Again,
Josh is creating more turnovers because he's pressing.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
He's forcing.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Good news for them is their run game. Run games
are valuable as the weather gets cold, So I do
think they're sort of built to go on a little
bit of a mini streak here at the end of
the season. But I've been preaching this for years. They're
not clever offensively, and they're just simply too reliant on
Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Brent Venables has been a hit at Oklahoma and he's
gonna make the playoffs before Lincoln Riley. What I like
about Oklahoma they look like an SEC team. Usc still
doesn't feel like a Big ten team. They lack toughness, Oklahoma.
You would have never known they were in the Big twelve.
They're tough, they're physical, they're good enough at quarterback. I
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always judge coaches on their side of the ball. Venables,
this is his first head coaching job. That defense is money.
I have watched it disassembled Bama and again this weekend.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
They don't even need an offense. That defense is so good,
it's very sec I was wrong.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I just didn't think Venables was going to succeed as
quickly as Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
And I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Oh, Brandon Staley, apparently the Niners, the stories. He's on
his way out. I never understand. I don't understand Kyle Shanahan,
his insistence to pay every wide receiver in the building.
They paid Debo, they paid Brandon Ayuk. He's rarely been available.
I mean again, pay Trent Williams, pay Kittle, Hey, Christian McCaffrey,
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you gotta pay, pay Brock. But they're getting burned on
this and this relationship is soured, and I never understood
the financial commitment.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
He's talented.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I'll never deny that with Brandon Ayuk, but I didn't
get the money thrown at it.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
John Moran, NBA reporters love small, poor shooting athletic guards.
This weekend, he's never going to grow up. Another embarrassing moment.
He's now a bench player, talking trash. Last two years,
the Grizzlies are better defensively and offensively when John doesn't play.
And he was yapping again, this time to Klay Thompson,
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who said this afterwards.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
He's running his mouth for a long time, and it's
funny to run your mouth when you're on the bench.
It's kind of the story of his career so far,
just leaving us once more. We need that in the NBA.
We need our best players will be out there, and
when you're a star comes with a great responsibility and
I hate to see that called the waste.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
There is more to being a star in the NBA
than having hops. It's about leadership and commitment and dedication
and galvanizing egos.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
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Speaker 1 (07:41):
NFL has always been to me the sport of hope.
It takes a long time to go from a terrible
baseball team to a World Series team, but in the
NFL you can be the New England Patriots, like a
hazmat spill. You get Drake May, you get Mike Rabel,
Josh mcdowne, mccownt and Josh McDaniel. Excuse me, all of
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a sudden, you're the number one seed. It's the sport
of hope. You get the head coach, the coordinator, and
the quarterback right and you are suddenly a Super Bowl contender.
But it's all centered. College football is about the coach.
Pro football is about the quarterback, and we've got a
lot of young quarterbacks Thanksgivings tomorrow. They all start Week
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one in the NFL as rookies at the kids table
till they graduate to the Stafford table, or they graduate
to the Justin Herbert or the Patrick Mahomes Josh Allen table.
So J mack, let's determine kids table or adult table
for these young signal callers.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
All right, Colin, you ready for this? Here we go.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Will it be the kids table or the big quarterback table?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
For Drake Nate, he has already pivoted to the big
quarterback table. Listen, He's better than even people who liked
him thought. Leaves the NFL in completion percent at a
remarkable seventy one percent, best record in the NFL, already
has well over three thousand yards right now. He feels
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like a top six to seven quarterback today in the league. Durable, big,
accurate winning. So we're crowning him. Okay, I like it,
all right?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Kids table or big quarterback table?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
For Jackson Dart, he's still at the kids table. Jmack.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
In eight games, he's checked into the blue tent four times.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
He's already you know.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
He leads quarterbacks in Russia attempts, which I am a
fan of young quarterbacks using their athletic ability and feet
to move the chains as they grow. But right now
from the pocket, still have my doubts. He's a risk taker.
He moves well, a lot of confidence. Probably one more
Thanksgiving from moving, you know, to a glass of wine.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
All right, well, this one's going to divide the audience.
Kids table or Big quarterback table for your guy, Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
He's at the Big Boys Come four and Oho in November.
One of three quarterbacks with thirty touchdown passes and ten
or fewer interceptions over the last two years.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
You want to hear the other.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Ones, Stafford Lamar and your guy Jalen Hurtz. Caleb Williams
is comfortably sitting next to grandpa.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Oh my god, that is troubling.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Kids table or Big Quarterback table for Bownicks your other
best friend.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Come on, adult table. Not even enough.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I mean nine total touchdowns in the fourth quarter, ranked
second in the league. Leads the NFL with eight game
winning drive last two seasons, top ten and wins, passing yards,
touchdown passes.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I mean, come on, he is okay, he's getting.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
The leg You're the teaser. You're the teaser. I wish
I had in like eleventh grade. By Kid's Table or
Big Quarterback Table for Bryce.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Young two inconsistent. I'm sorry you watched it Monday. He's
shrank in a big spot. I'm sorry. He's a great kid,
but you very early on you were like, you were like.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
He doesn't look the part.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Ninety or worst passer rating in nine of his eleven starts,
and I like his coach, en Rico Daddell.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
He's got a.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Couple of young but very talented wide receivers. Their defense
is better, but he is twelve and twenty seven since
he entered the league.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Kid's table not great. We should probably skip this one,
but we'll do it anyway.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Kid's Table or Big Quarterback Table for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Well in the second and third quarters this year, he
has a twenty seven passer rating, So I don't even
want to be mean kids table. In fact, the other kids,
the other kids let him go first and pick Oh
he's struggling. Hey, I feel bad for the kid.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
He's struggling. It's early.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
He'll he'll turn it around. Kid's Table or Big Quarterback
Table for cam Ward.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I'm gonna put him at the boy table. I think
he's I think he's really talented. I think he's not
getting any help. He's the most sacked quarterback they fired
their coach. Reminds me a lot of a less talented
Chicago Bear mess. Last year, the Bears had more players.
I think I think cam Wore's good. Like last weekend,
it's finally coming around. But last year Caleb, everybody said
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he was terrible. Twenty touchdown, six picks. This is a
multiple touchdown game against the Seahawks Ran.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
He's growing on me.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Now. I'm not saying he gets the stuffing last. He's
not getting the mashed potatoes first at the adult table.
But I'm gonna put him there. I think he's see
I see some potential startup.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Finally Kid's table or big quarterback table for Sineur.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Sanders, neither. We're putting him at a new table, the
legendary table.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Led every quarterback is in a high chair news legendary.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Hey led the NFL last week yards per attempt?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Wow, last week?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
You know what, I took some, uh some of the
motif on his draft room legendary.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I just moved it over to Thanksgiving. Did you just
use motif on a Sports show.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Oh my gosh, coward, it is bag here.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
The Chadur, the Chadeur five online is coming after you
for this.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Boy.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Damn, I will say this. He's you know, my rule
on quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
If your college problem is your NFL problem, you're in trouble.
Johnny Manziel ran around too much. You watched them in
the pros, You're like, yeah, yeah, that that stuff is.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Not going to work.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Uh. If Caleb Williams struggled with accuracy struggles in the NFL,
it's my only criticism of him.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Gotta be a little bit more accurate.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Yeah, does the Legendary table eat before the kids table?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Or no? You know it's it's somewhere in between.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Okay, all right, all right, they do serve wine at
the legendary table? Oh really win not at the kids table. Okay,
all right. But here's what I'd say about Shadoor Sanders.
The opposite is also true. When I watched him last week,
I saw Colorado Shaduer and I thought Colorado Shaduur was
a mid first mid second round pick. He moves better
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than anybody gives him credit for. Stop saying he's a
pocket quarterback. He has a couple spin moves. He moves.
He's not as quick to me as like a bow Nicks.
He's not quite that twitchy. But he's a good athlete.
He has a average to average plus arm. By the way,
on the deep throws accurate and it does help. I
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will say this. I know in Cleveland everybody's banging on Stefanski,
but one of the things J Mack, that you and
I can't argue about.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
It has been a.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Clear advantage to have an offensive coach if you're a rookie, yeh,
Bo Nicks, Caleb Williams, Okay Morris, that's who Mike Pennix
gets right now, you can Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
How Comepenix? Is it? He's not even invited to Thanksgiving.
He's hurt. He's hurt. I don't know what to do
with that. So I need to ask you.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
So Bryce Young, who's in you know, multiple years in
the league, couldn't do anything against the.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Robert sala defense.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
If Shaduur goes out and has a passable game against
Salah and the.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Niners, that then there's he's really gonna freak out.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
People are gonna be like, this is your starter next year,
So just be ready for that because Sunday the slate
is not great. All the good teams are fired on
Thanksgiving Day, so Shadour could have a game against Salah
at home. It's inclement weather, so maybe that's uh, maybe
that'll throw a wrinkle in that.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
But yeah, I think I think.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I feel like some of the Chadur stuff is a
little bit like Tibau. People are talking about conspiracy theories.
He's got a very fanatical you know, uh following. It's
very tribal. The difference is, I think Shadour throws an
NFL ball. I think I think Tebow was always a
little bit in terms of athletic ability, a little overstated.
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I think Shador's athletic ability is understated. And the air
thing about Schadeur that I like, I think he's too
goofy and playful for me. I wish he was a
little more serious.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
What is he twenty three years old?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Oh, but we've always said it's not fair. But I
do need my quarterbacks to be grown ups. I don't
need I don't care about any interposition. There are certain
things in life. If you're a working in the ICU
in a hospital and you're twenty four, you can't be
at Senior Froggy's the night before knocking down twelve Tequila's
I need you to be a grown up. There are
pilot you can't be out at the bar night before
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if you're a twenty five year old pilot, pilot, surgeons, quarterbacks.
I'm sorry, it's unfair. You have to be more mature.
That's part of it, right, Surgeon, pilot, quarterback. It's you
have to be a different twenty four.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
The two occupations that literally saved lives, and then a
quarterback who throws a pigskin.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, yeah, okay, God makes sense. Another one of my
analogies that nailed it. Be sure to catch live editions
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Speaker 5 (17:04):
Even for Colin. It's the Herd.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
You're on Fox Sports Trader on the iHeartRadio app mmmmmm
broadcasting from Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Most of you, mostly in the Midwest, know that it's coming.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
We got a little we got a little dust in
the other day, but it's it's coming. It's coming tomorrow,
first first snowstorm of the season. Mark Dominic doesn't have
these problems, right, I mean, he he picked an organization
in Tampa. He's a Florida guy, Florida, California. People like,
I don't know what you're talking about. How you talking
about former gentle manager of the tamp Bay Buccaneers. Of course,
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spent his entire professional life in the National Football League,
and he joins us now in the herd on Fox
Sports Radio. How were we so wrong about the Cowboys?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Mark?
Speaker 6 (17:51):
Yeah, you know, they've just been so inconsistent. It's been
hard to understand what team we're going to see each week.
And yesterday we saw that the offense continues to shine
under Brian Schottenheimer and what Dak Prescott was able to do,
and it certainly George Dickens made a lot of great plays,
so along with Ferguson, and so the Cowboys have found
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a way to be, you know, just frustratingly inconsistent, but
yet still have a shot in a path to the
postseason somehow.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Okay, what about the Chiefs. You know, it's like you
go back about a month ago, You're like, all right,
here they come and here they sit. You know, it's
it's I mean, look, my faith remains in Andy Reid
and Pat Mahomes, but heck, dayed loss coming out of
a bye, which you know does have more in can
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say than did in Philadelphia, but rarely happens. And you look,
the Broncos and Bills are good teams, the culture good teams,
so some of its schedule, but some of it is
they're just what's missing there?
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Well, I think two things. I think Number one, you know,
we saw sadly Josh Simmons looks like he might be
for the year. You know, John Taylor's they're going with
their second or third and fourth offensive tackles. And in
Kansas City, we've seen it over and over again. When
that offensive line starts to get depleted, they can't win.
And that's where they sit right now, is they just
can't keep as much as Patrick was, you know, throwing
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the ball well and obviously the touchdowns yesterday. That offensive
lines in shambles right now. And that's that's the demise
of the Chiefs and why they won't make the postseason.
Even with a couple of teams, I think they can
win the other part of the Chiefs that you see
when you watch them play is they're not fast. Defensively,
they're strong, they're powerful, but they're not fast and to me,
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that shows up as well.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
You know what that reminds me of.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
It reminds me of the end of the Patriots run, right,
I mean when when the downfall of the Patriots. Obviously
when Brady left, they didn't have a quarterback, but even
prior to that, people like yourself, NFL people all said
that the Patriots they just weren't fast, they weren't flying
around anymore.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Hard is that to fix? Can you fix that in
one offseason? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:03):
I think you can. I mean again, you're you're going
to you know, decide what you want to do for answer,
But the draft is going to be a piece where
you can absolutely add some speed and get to you know,
maybe a linebacker. They need a speed rush edge is
what they really need. Getting somebody that can come off
the edge. I can just you know, win the fastball.
And that's what they don't have to me consistently at all.
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And so I think you're gonna have to look to
the draft, you know, and then say first or second round.
That's where I think the Chiefs have to pinpoint somebody
that can get the edge and can win with a
fastball and hopefully develop an other rush move. The kids
seems to be a weird spot. I mean, I don't again,
I don't think they're going to make the postseason just
because I don't. I think Jacksonville has too many wins
that are still on the board Buffalo can you know,
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and so somebody's going to win you know, the North somehow.
But I just don't think kids that you can put
enough w's on the board now to get to the postseason.
So they'll be picking you know, top twenty, which they
haven't done in a long long time.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
Okay, we go from met La floor a couple of
weeks ago, I go to the Eagles game and super
super conservative and you and I have talked about it
on my show where I'm like, well, yeah, you lose
Tucker you Tucker Craft, and you lose your left tackle.
And the Eagles obviously have an unbelievable pass rush as
we saw against the Lions, and so maybe that's the
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reason they were so concerned. You go from that to
what we saw from the floor over the past two weeks,
especially yesterday.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Why has his play calling been so different?
Speaker 6 (21:28):
In your opinion, he's been more aggressive. I think he's
kind of said, hey, look it is what it is.
We're gonna and I think he feels Jordan Love when
Jordan's kind of in the zone. I think he calls
the game based off how Jordan's playing, and yesterday Jordan
was making throws and you know, you got to give
the Floor a ton of credit that fourth down call
to go to throw the ball to Wix and Wix
makes the catch to you know, basically hid the game.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Kill the clock.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
That's a huge decision where they're sitting on the field
knowing you can back them up all the way to
probably the top, you know, inside the ten and make
them drive the links of the field. Instead, he says,
I'm gonna win the game right here, and Jordan Love
makes the throw. But I think the Floor is feeding
off of where Jordan Love's confidence is and you're seeing
him be more aggressive with the play call because of it.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
S Doug Gottliebin for Collins to hurt Fox Sports Radio,
iHeart Radio app You and I have also discussed that
as a as a play caller, Dan Campbell feels like
he calls plays, but he's not offensive coordinator. Right, this
is a play here at play there, It's not as
smooth doesn't have the same rhythm.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
What did you think of yesterday?
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Yeah, I kind of feel the same way, Like, you know,
it's you know, the one thing about Jared Goffin and
maybe the entire offense is having you know, it's interesting
you think about it from a defensive standpoint. For an
offensive standpoint, right, the offensive coordators like three and out
didn't work out, We'll just punt. The defensive coordinator sits
there and goes, hey, three and it didn't work. It's well,
they just scored a touchdown. It's just a completely different
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way to look for the game, right. I think if
you think of at home, you're like, yeah, I've never
thought of it that way, like an offen the quarteror
like if it doesn't work out, he just punted the
ball and try again. It doesn't work out, you're in trouble.
And so that's what makes it hard. And I also
think to your point, Doug, like you want to find
the rhythm with your quarterback where you're feeling, like we
just talked about with the floor, feeling the emotions of
the game, or feeling the offensive guy that he spends
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the entire time on. You know that this is what
I feel like is the right direction. Detroit, and this
is that a little bit. Certainly, Ben Johnson's done a
great job in Chicago put the Bears where they are,
but this is the coordinator that they desperately lost and
in desperately miss.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
Okay, let's go to the night gap. Let's start in
the negative. What's wrong with Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Yeah, I just I feel like he's just missing grows
and I know that we're all watching it unfold, but
just the lack of like the locked in or the
decision making, and he just looked like he was, you know,
rushing himself and then quickly explicting the ball out and
trying to make a play, and just it's affected his accuracy.
And I don't think it was the weather at all.
(23:55):
This has been something we see with Lamar seem very
well for him, and therefore, you know he's looking at
Aaron and his accuracy's really off, almost back to like
his rookie campaign kind of a feeling where like, what's
going on with this guy? So I don't have a
great answer for why Lamar Jackson feels like he's regressed
based off what he's been able to do in the past,
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But I would say that the main thing is that
I did. I feel like he's rushing as you're watching
on the field, like he's like someone's in his year
saying you got to make the decision, hurry up, make
a decision. And because of that, I think he's throwing
the ball, you know, early, and it's throwing off his accuracy.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
I guess my question is, you know, Greg Roman, they
thought they had hit a ceiling with Greg Roman's offense,
and my thought was, like, you want MVP with that offense.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
I don't think that's what it was. But you know,
you're bringing Monk in and it's a passing based offense.
He still runs, but it's more, Hey, now he's been
the league. Now he's a better Now he's a better passer,
not just a thrower. And I again, and their defense
isn't you know when they were when they were failing
in the playoffs previously, the defense was awesome and the offense,
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you know, was allowed to just run the football and
to be conservative, occasionally take a shot.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Is it too much for him to carry the team
as a passer.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
It feels like it right now, right I mean, Mike
McDonald Obtis is a great defensive Corder has done a
great job as the head coach down Seattle and getting
them in position of the postseason, and they missed that
he was, you know, he's brilliantly smart, and so they
missed that defensive side of the ball where maybe the
town's not to the level, and seeing the Ravens before,
but they were technically on top of everything offensively. The
frustrating thing for me when I watched the Ravens, and
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I'm sure Ravens stans too, they could have run the
ball last night like they were running the ball perfectly fine.
They just couldn't stick with it. But you know, if
they could just find a way to get back to
Derrick Henry and giving him the ball twenty plus times
a game, I think that even if they fall behind
ten or twelve or thirteen points, I think you still
want to focus on Derrick Henry getting the ball because that,
to me is your ticket to finding a way to
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still win the North, which again is wide open. And
even the Bengals, as hard as it's been to mad
and in so late, you're only a few games out now,
you know, and I know we don't have a lot
of games left, but you know it might be nine
and eight or eight and nine could win that division,
which before the season started, Doug, I would have never
dreamt that with those three teams Pittsburgh obviously, Baltimore and Cincinnati,
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I would have never dreamt it would have been that
kind of an outcome of where the seasons ended up.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Right now, I'm obviously as a coach, I'm even a
football fan.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
You love what Joe Burrows said. And here's here's kind
of my takeaway, Mark, just stick with me. Let me
kind of explain it.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Were so critical of athletes when it's load management or
when they shut it down, you know, late in the
college football season, late in the NFL season, and yet
our generation, you and I were kind of the ones
that came up with this idea of load management or
protecting the asset that is the player in college, in
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the pros or whatever. So if anything, we got to
be self critical and understand that, you know, gen X
is being critical of gen Z for an idea, for
an idea and a plan that is really a gen
X plan. That being that being said, what does it say,
What does Joe Burrow playing despite the very very slight
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chance of making the playoffs say about Burrow and and
how we view him.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Yeah, I mean, if you I'm sure as we watched
the game last night, we saw the injury history at
Joe Burrow, and it's it's something that I've talked about
multiple times over the years that that's just a sad
fact of his career, whether it was in college or
now in the NFL, that he gets banged up a lot.
And I think for Joe, he wants to prove that
he can be out there with the guys, and he
understands every year can be magical and special and you
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just don't know how it's longer you get to play
this game. It can be taken away from you in
a blink. And so I love that that he decided
that he wanted to be out there. And I think
it also because the Bengals were mathematically still alive, that
you put him back out there and say, hey, look,
let's let's see what we can do and would kind
of spark we can give the team. And even though
he started a little slow, he's certainly you know, sped
up and really kind of you know, looks like the
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Joe Burrow that you know could have been the team
that you know when's the division and we'll see. I
mean again, we've got only a few We got enough
games left where you could say, yeah, it would be bizarre,
but you know, they play each other, They've got to
play with the opponents. You know, nothing's going apart for
any team right now in the North. It's a stretch.
But it was fun to watch him be out there
and show that. You know, as a leader, he's going
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to if he can be there, he'll be there.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
Okay, help me out, I need the absolute neutral former
general manager, former player personnel guy, your opinion on Shudor Sanders.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
How did he play in his first week as a starter.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Uh, you know, I you know, you got to give
him credit for at least you know, I know you
make the half back pass and you know you got
to let the running backs. You know, Scamper's in for
a long touchdown and so he gets stats to that.
But he still has to get the ball his hand
to put in the right spot. You know, he made
the one throw it down the field. But overall, I
still felt like the game was uber fast for him.
I don't feel like it's and I would have him
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the start of this week. I would either get three
or four starts unless he failed desperately or terribly, I
should say, you know, I would go ahead and get
a sense because really where the Browns sit as an
organization is who's the number two? It's really going to
be the number two. Is shouduor good enough to be
a number two? Let's figure that out because there's really
no number one on this roster. I don't think it's
either one of these guys based off of what I've
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seen from both of them this year, but I would
like to see more should do, but I don't think
it's going to get better, honestly, Doug. I just I'm
not a hater on Shadu or anything like that. I
just feel like the processing's too fast for him, and
he doesn't process it fast enough. And like what he
was able to do in Colorado where the system was
really quick, we can get the ball out. Now things
are everything's moving so much faster. I think it's hard
for him.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Is that something that improves with experience?
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Usually it can because the games that quote unquote slows
down for young players. But to me, the sty I
will play this is why I should do or dropped
Because a lot of people worried about the system he
played in Colorado that was so quarterback friendly for him specifically,
that can that translate over So a lot of people
are like, I don't know why, you know, I thought
it was a first round pick. Well, a lot of
scouts went in there, though, you know, I don't know
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about this office is what we're going to run in
the NFL, And so therefore do I feel like he's
got the same tools I can get him to where
he needs to go to the next level, and a
lot of clips that I don't think so, you know,
and obviously the other things around you do her. He's
tried to handle those the best he can. But I
think when you watch it, yes, you're supposed to get
more time, but to me, I still think you're going
to see a lot of interceptions over the next couple
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of weeks.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Okay, same question with JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
I think it's fair and I think the same thing
is very frustrating for JJ. Also is that you feel
like he should be able to do it and be
more of a consistent player, you know, one through four
quarters and not be spurty. And I think that the
same thing though is no matter what I played JJ
the rest of ye as long as he can be
on the football field to find out exactly what I have.
But I got to understand that as an organization, I
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don't have to be married to him. As much as
that sounds crazy, He's only two years in and this
is really only his first year. You know. The one
mistake you can do is say, well, we'll just give
him one more year and soup we can get just
figured out if the Vikings are in a position where
they could draft another quarterback and say, hey, look we're
to make a competition, but we've got to find that guy.
That's what you have to do, because in the end,
we all know that that's really what matters to the
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most is who's pulling the trigger on your football team
at that position. If that need, you have to go
back to the well again, go back to the well.
Look at Chris Ballard. He's done it basically every year
as a coach GM. He's had a different starter out there,
and now he may have found the right one at
Daniel Jones for a while.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Mark, you're the best man. I love your analysis.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
Obviously, I respect all the experience you have, and I
hope you had a great Thanksgiving with the family enjoyed
this weekend.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
We'll talk to you next week on my show. In
the meantime, thanks so much for being a guest in
the Herd.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Thanks for having me on. Happy Thanksgiving Brothers.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
You too.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
on Fox Sports Radio, and here we go where Colin
was right.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Well, I've been saying for weeks the Eagles are tempting faith.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's not right.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Saquon's falling off a cliff. You keep telling me Nick
Sirianni's a great coach, but the Philadelphia Eagles, something isn't working,
and to have twenty four straight unanswered points against a
rival is completely, absolutely unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It's not the end of the world.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
But don't tell me everything is fine and we'll just
keep figuring it out. Because I saw two years ago
a really good Eagles team circle the drain.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Where Colin was rowed.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I thought Chip Kelly was a solid choice, lots of
experience to be an offensive coordinator for Pete Carroll College
and pro. The run game absolutely nonexistent, now the old
line not very good, but the Raiders continue to look
backwards through the rearview mirror, Chip and Pete Carroll and
(01:23):
Geno Smith.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
And I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I don't want to be mean, but the JJ McCarthy thing,
I don't know if he's even a backup. Three turnovers
and four yards in the second half. You could watch
how Green Bay was coaching. You could tell look at
their game plan green Bay, It's like, we're just gonna
run it. We don't need to take any big swings here.
So the second half against Green Bay is I mean,
(01:51):
you can't just throw when you have all day and
you're leading. I mean, yesterday is nflquarterback playing on the road,
trailing to a very good team and a very good defense.
Everybody kept telling me this is the guy you got
a draft and he was the only quarterback in his class.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I said, I don't see it. I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I think I was right on that where Colin was
raw four years in. I'm not sure what USC is,
but when they play Notre Dame or in Oregon, the
defense is below average and the special teams are a wreck.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I mean, that's just the reality is and the offense.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Now feels like basically Malik Malachai Lemon, McKay Lemon. It's
a one man offense. They got a you know, they're
down to walk ons on the offensive line. They did
not recruit Southern California well enough the first three years.
They spent a lot of money on nil and not
all of it. Well, I don't know. I don't think
they're close. When you have twenty seven carries and run
(02:54):
for fifty two yards in the biggest game in a
couple of years, that's not close. Oregon was missing their
top three receivers, didn't seem to bother them.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Ho's wrong where Colin was right once.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Again, I said, Pittsburgh, look at their schedule. Steelers will
get hot early four and one, and now they're two
and three in their last five games. One of my
picks of the week was anti Steeler goes Chicago. They
no longer lead the division. I mean, Baltimore is not
even playing well. In a month, They've flown past them.
They're not creative, very rarely, very infrequently on offense. They
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spend a forts on defense, and their defense isn't very good.
It's twenty eight, right, Now, this defense with the Steelers
is the worst in franchise history. That's how and it's
the most expensive again, so they're spending all the money,
they're paying all the attention to defense.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It's still bad. Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Once again, the Bills are too Josh Allen reliant. Buffalo
is now one in four unless Josh Allen has three touchdowns.
That's ridiculous. I mean, at this point, I don't like
their offensive line. They don't have a deep threat. Again,
Josh is creating more turnovers because he's pressing.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
He's forcing.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Good news for them is their run game. Run games
are valuable as the weather gets cold, So I do
think they're sort of built to go on a little
bit of a mini streak here at the end of
the season. But I've been preaching this for years. They're
not clever offensively, and they're just simply too reliant on
Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Brent Venables has been a hit at Oklahoma and he's
gonna make the playoffs before Lincoln Riley. What I like
about Oklahoma they look like an SEC team. Usc still
doesn't feel like a Big ten team. They lack toughness, Oklahoma.
You would have never known they were in the Big twelve.
They're tough, they're physical, they're good enough at quarterback. I
(04:55):
always judge coaches on their side of the ball. Venables,
this is his first head coaching job. That defense is money.
I have watched it disassembled Bama and again this weekend.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
They don't even need an offense. That defense is so good,
it's very sec I was wrong.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I just didn't think Venables was going to succeed as
quickly as Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
And I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Oh, Brandon Staley, apparently the Niners, the stories. He's on
his way out. I never understand. I don't understand Kyle Shanahan,
his insistence to pay every wide receiver in the building.
They paid Debo, they paid Brandon Ayuk. He's rarely been available.
I mean again, pay Trent Williams, pay Kittle, Hey, Christian McCaffrey,
(05:44):
you gotta pay, pay Brock. But they're getting burned on
this and this relationship is soured, and I never understood
the financial commitment.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
He's talented.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I'll never deny that with Brandon Ayuk, but I didn't
get the money thrown at it.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
John Moran, NBA reporters love small, poor shooting athletic guards.
This weekend, he's never going to grow up. Another embarrassing moment.
He's now a bench player, talking trash. Last two years,
the Grizzlies are better defensively and offensively when John doesn't play.
And he was yapping again, this time to Klay Thompson,
(06:23):
who said this afterwards.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
He's running his mouth for a long time, and it's
funny to run your mouth when you're on the bench.
It's kind of the story of his career so far,
just leaving us once more. We need that in the NBA.
We need our best players will be out there, and
when you're a star comes with a great responsibility and
I hate to see that called the waste.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
There is more to being a star in the NBA
than having hops. It's about leadership and commitment and dedication
and galvanizing egos.
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Speaker 1 (07:41):
NFL has always been to me the sport of hope.
It takes a long time to go from a terrible
baseball team to a World Series team, but in the
NFL you can be the New England Patriots, like a
hazmat spill. You get Drake May, you get Mike Rabel,
Josh mcdowne, mccownt and Josh McDaniel. Excuse me, all of
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a sudden, you're the number one seed. It's the sport
of hope. You get the head coach, the coordinator, and
the quarterback right and you are suddenly a Super Bowl contender.
But it's all centered. College football is about the coach.
Pro football is about the quarterback, and we've got a
lot of young quarterbacks Thanksgivings tomorrow. They all start Week
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one in the NFL as rookies at the kids table
till they graduate to the Stafford table, or they graduate
to the Justin Herbert or the Patrick Mahomes Josh Allen table.
So J mack, let's determine kids table or adult table
for these young signal callers.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
All right, Colin, you ready for this? Here we go.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Will it be the kids table or the big quarterback table?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
For Drake Nate, he has already pivoted to the big
quarterback table. Listen, He's better than even people who liked
him thought. Leaves the NFL in completion percent at a
remarkable seventy one percent, best record in the NFL, already
has well over three thousand yards right now. He feels
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like a top six to seven quarterback today in the league. Durable, big,
accurate winning. So we're crowning him. Okay, I like it,
all right?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Kids table or big quarterback table?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
For Jackson Dart, he's still at the kids table. Jmack.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
In eight games, he's checked into the blue tent four times.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
He's already you know.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
He leads quarterbacks in Russia attempts, which I am a
fan of young quarterbacks using their athletic ability and feet
to move the chains as they grow. But right now
from the pocket, still have my doubts. He's a risk taker.
He moves well, a lot of confidence. Probably one more
Thanksgiving from moving, you know, to a glass of wine.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
All right, well, this one's going to divide the audience.
Kids table or Big quarterback table for your guy, Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
He's at the Big Boys Come four and Oho in November.
One of three quarterbacks with thirty touchdown passes and ten
or fewer interceptions over the last two years.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
You want to hear the other.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Ones, Stafford Lamar and your guy Jalen Hurtz. Caleb Williams
is comfortably sitting next to grandpa.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Oh my god, that is troubling.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Kids table or Big Quarterback table for Bownicks your other
best friend.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Come on, adult table. Not even enough.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I mean nine total touchdowns in the fourth quarter, ranked
second in the league. Leads the NFL with eight game
winning drive last two seasons, top ten and wins, passing yards,
touchdown passes.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I mean, come on, he is okay, he's getting.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
The leg You're the teaser. You're the teaser. I wish
I had in like eleventh grade. By Kid's Table or
Big Quarterback Table for Bryce.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Young two inconsistent. I'm sorry you watched it Monday. He's
shrank in a big spot. I'm sorry. He's a great kid,
but you very early on you were like, you were like.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
He doesn't look the part.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Ninety or worst passer rating in nine of his eleven starts,
and I like his coach, en Rico Daddell.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
He's got a.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Couple of young but very talented wide receivers. Their defense
is better, but he is twelve and twenty seven since
he entered the league.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Kid's table not great. We should probably skip this one,
but we'll do it anyway.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Kid's Table or Big Quarterback Table for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Well in the second and third quarters this year, he
has a twenty seven passer rating, So I don't even
want to be mean kids table. In fact, the other kids,
the other kids let him go first and pick Oh
he's struggling. Hey, I feel bad for the kid.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
He's struggling. It's early.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
He'll he'll turn it around. Kid's Table or Big Quarterback
Table for cam Ward.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I'm gonna put him at the boy table. I think
he's I think he's really talented. I think he's not
getting any help. He's the most sacked quarterback they fired
their coach. Reminds me a lot of a less talented
Chicago Bear mess. Last year, the Bears had more players.
I think I think cam Wore's good. Like last weekend,
it's finally coming around. But last year Caleb, everybody said
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he was terrible. Twenty touchdown, six picks. This is a
multiple touchdown game against the Seahawks Ran.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
He's growing on me.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Now. I'm not saying he gets the stuffing last. He's
not getting the mashed potatoes first at the adult table.
But I'm gonna put him there. I think he's see
I see some potential startup.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Finally Kid's table or big quarterback table for Sineur.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Sanders, neither. We're putting him at a new table, the
legendary table.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Led every quarterback is in a high chair news legendary.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Hey led the NFL last week yards per attempt?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Wow, last week?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
You know what, I took some, uh some of the
motif on his draft room legendary.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I just moved it over to Thanksgiving. Did you just
use motif on a Sports show.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Oh my gosh, coward, it is bag here.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
The Chadur, the Chadeur five online is coming after you
for this.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Boy.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Damn, I will say this. He's you know, my rule
on quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
If your college problem is your NFL problem, you're in trouble.
Johnny Manziel ran around too much. You watched them in
the pros, You're like, yeah, yeah, that that stuff is.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Not going to work.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Uh. If Caleb Williams struggled with accuracy struggles in the NFL,
it's my only criticism of him.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Gotta be a little bit more accurate.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Yeah, does the Legendary table eat before the kids table?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Or no? You know it's it's somewhere in between.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Okay, all right, all right, they do serve wine at
the legendary table? Oh really win not at the kids table. Okay,
all right. But here's what I'd say about Shadoor Sanders.
The opposite is also true. When I watched him last week,
I saw Colorado Shaduer and I thought Colorado Shaduur was
a mid first mid second round pick. He moves better
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than anybody gives him credit for. Stop saying he's a
pocket quarterback. He has a couple spin moves. He moves.
He's not as quick to me as like a bow Nicks.
He's not quite that twitchy. But he's a good athlete.
He has a average to average plus arm. By the way,
on the deep throws accurate and it does help. I
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will say this. I know in Cleveland everybody's banging on Stefanski,
but one of the things J Mack, that you and
I can't argue about.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
It has been a.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Clear advantage to have an offensive coach if you're a rookie, yeh,
Bo Nicks, Caleb Williams, Okay Morris, that's who Mike Pennix
gets right now, you can Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
How Comepenix? Is it? He's not even invited to Thanksgiving.
He's hurt. He's hurt. I don't know what to do
with that. So I need to ask you.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
So Bryce Young, who's in you know, multiple years in
the league, couldn't do anything against the.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Robert sala defense.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
If Shaduur goes out and has a passable game against
Salah and the.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Niners, that then there's he's really gonna freak out.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
People are gonna be like, this is your starter next year,
So just be ready for that because Sunday the slate
is not great. All the good teams are fired on
Thanksgiving Day, so Shadour could have a game against Salah
at home. It's inclement weather, so maybe that's uh, maybe
that'll throw a wrinkle in that.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
But yeah, I think I think.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I feel like some of the Chadur stuff is a
little bit like Tibau. People are talking about conspiracy theories.
He's got a very fanatical you know, uh following. It's
very tribal. The difference is, I think Shadour throws an
NFL ball. I think I think Tebow was always a
little bit in terms of athletic ability, a little overstated.
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I think Shador's athletic ability is understated. And the air
thing about Schadeur that I like, I think he's too
goofy and playful for me. I wish he was a
little more serious.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
What is he twenty three years old?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Oh, but we've always said it's not fair. But I
do need my quarterbacks to be grown ups. I don't
need I don't care about any interposition. There are certain
things in life. If you're a working in the ICU
in a hospital and you're twenty four, you can't be
at Senior Froggy's the night before knocking down twelve Tequila's
I need you to be a grown up. There are
pilot you can't be out at the bar night before
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if you're a twenty five year old pilot, pilot, surgeons, quarterbacks.
I'm sorry, it's unfair. You have to be more mature.
That's part of it, right, Surgeon, pilot, quarterback. It's you
have to be a different twenty four.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
The two occupations that literally saved lives, and then a
quarterback who throws a pigskin.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, yeah, okay, God makes sense. Another one of my
analogies that nailed it. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Herd weekdays and noon Eastern not a em
Pacific Doug gll.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Even for Colin. It's the Herd.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
You're on Fox Sports Trader on the iHeartRadio app mmmmmm
broadcasting from Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Most of you, mostly in the Midwest, know that it's coming.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
We got a little we got a little dust in
the other day, but it's it's coming. It's coming tomorrow,
first first snowstorm of the season. Mark Dominic doesn't have
these problems, right, I mean, he he picked an organization
in Tampa. He's a Florida guy, Florida, California. People like,
I don't know what you're talking about. How you talking
about former gentle manager of the tamp Bay Buccaneers. Of course,
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spent his entire professional life in the National Football League,
and he joins us now in the herd on Fox
Sports Radio. How were we so wrong about the Cowboys?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Mark?
Speaker 6 (17:51):
Yeah, you know, they've just been so inconsistent. It's been
hard to understand what team we're going to see each week.
And yesterday we saw that the offense continues to shine
under Brian Schottenheimer and what Dak Prescott was able to do,
and it certainly George Dickens made a lot of great plays,
so along with Ferguson, and so the Cowboys have found
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a way to be, you know, just frustratingly inconsistent, but
yet still have a shot in a path to the
postseason somehow.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Okay, what about the Chiefs. You know, it's like you
go back about a month ago, You're like, all right,
here they come and here they sit. You know, it's
it's I mean, look, my faith remains in Andy Reid
and Pat Mahomes, but heck, dayed loss coming out of
a bye, which you know does have more in can
(18:41):
say than did in Philadelphia, but rarely happens. And you look,
the Broncos and Bills are good teams, the culture good teams,
so some of its schedule, but some of it is
they're just what's missing there?
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Well, I think two things. I think Number one, you know,
we saw sadly Josh Simmons looks like he might be
for the year. You know, John Taylor's they're going with
their second or third and fourth offensive tackles. And in
Kansas City, we've seen it over and over again. When
that offensive line starts to get depleted, they can't win.
And that's where they sit right now, is they just
can't keep as much as Patrick was, you know, throwing
(19:16):
the ball well and obviously the touchdowns yesterday. That offensive
lines in shambles right now. And that's that's the demise
of the Chiefs and why they won't make the postseason.
Even with a couple of teams, I think they can
win the other part of the Chiefs that you see
when you watch them play is they're not fast. Defensively,
they're strong, they're powerful, but they're not fast and to me,
(19:36):
that shows up as well.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
You know what that reminds me of.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
It reminds me of the end of the Patriots run, right,
I mean when when the downfall of the Patriots. Obviously
when Brady left, they didn't have a quarterback, but even
prior to that, people like yourself, NFL people all said
that the Patriots they just weren't fast, they weren't flying
around anymore.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Hard is that to fix? Can you fix that in
one offseason? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:03):
I think you can. I mean again, you're you're going
to you know, decide what you want to do for answer,
But the draft is going to be a piece where
you can absolutely add some speed and get to you know,
maybe a linebacker. They need a speed rush edge is
what they really need. Getting somebody that can come off
the edge. I can just you know, win the fastball.
And that's what they don't have to me consistently at all.
(20:23):
And so I think you're gonna have to look to
the draft, you know, and then say first or second round.
That's where I think the Chiefs have to pinpoint somebody
that can get the edge and can win with a
fastball and hopefully develop an other rush move. The kids
seems to be a weird spot. I mean, I don't again,
I don't think they're going to make the postseason just
because I don't. I think Jacksonville has too many wins
that are still on the board Buffalo can you know,
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and so somebody's going to win you know, the North somehow.
But I just don't think kids that you can put
enough w's on the board now to get to the postseason.
So they'll be picking you know, top twenty, which they
haven't done in a long long time.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
Okay, we go from met La floor a couple of
weeks ago, I go to the Eagles game and super
super conservative and you and I have talked about it
on my show where I'm like, well, yeah, you lose
Tucker you Tucker Craft, and you lose your left tackle.
And the Eagles obviously have an unbelievable pass rush as
we saw against the Lions, and so maybe that's the
(21:19):
reason they were so concerned. You go from that to
what we saw from the floor over the past two weeks,
especially yesterday.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Why has his play calling been so different?
Speaker 6 (21:28):
In your opinion, he's been more aggressive. I think he's
kind of said, hey, look it is what it is.
We're gonna and I think he feels Jordan Love when
Jordan's kind of in the zone. I think he calls
the game based off how Jordan's playing, and yesterday Jordan
was making throws and you know, you got to give
the Floor a ton of credit that fourth down call
to go to throw the ball to Wix and Wix
makes the catch to you know, basically hid the game.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Kill the clock.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
That's a huge decision where they're sitting on the field
knowing you can back them up all the way to
probably the top, you know, inside the ten and make
them drive the links of the field. Instead, he says,
I'm gonna win the game right here, and Jordan Love
makes the throw. But I think the Floor is feeding
off of where Jordan Love's confidence is and you're seeing
him be more aggressive with the play call because of it.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
S Doug Gottliebin for Collins to hurt Fox Sports Radio,
iHeart Radio app You and I have also discussed that
as a as a play caller, Dan Campbell feels like
he calls plays, but he's not offensive coordinator. Right, this
is a play here at play there, It's not as
smooth doesn't have the same rhythm.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
What did you think of yesterday?
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Yeah, I kind of feel the same way, Like, you know,
it's you know, the one thing about Jared Goffin and
maybe the entire offense is having you know, it's interesting
you think about it from a defensive standpoint. For an
offensive standpoint, right, the offensive coordators like three and out
didn't work out, We'll just punt. The defensive coordinator sits
there and goes, hey, three and it didn't work. It's well,
they just scored a touchdown. It's just a completely different
(22:51):
way to look for the game, right. I think if
you think of at home, you're like, yeah, I've never
thought of it that way, like an offen the quarteror
like if it doesn't work out, he just punted the
ball and try again. It doesn't work out, you're in trouble.
And so that's what makes it hard. And I also
think to your point, Doug, like you want to find
the rhythm with your quarterback where you're feeling, like we
just talked about with the floor, feeling the emotions of
the game, or feeling the offensive guy that he spends
(23:11):
the entire time on. You know that this is what
I feel like is the right direction. Detroit, and this
is that a little bit. Certainly, Ben Johnson's done a
great job in Chicago put the Bears where they are,
but this is the coordinator that they desperately lost and
in desperately miss.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
Okay, let's go to the night gap. Let's start in
the negative. What's wrong with Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Yeah, I just I feel like he's just missing grows
and I know that we're all watching it unfold, but
just the lack of like the locked in or the
decision making, and he just looked like he was, you know,
rushing himself and then quickly explicting the ball out and
trying to make a play, and just it's affected his accuracy.
And I don't think it was the weather at all.
(23:55):
This has been something we see with Lamar seem very
well for him, and therefore, you know he's looking at
Aaron and his accuracy's really off, almost back to like
his rookie campaign kind of a feeling where like, what's
going on with this guy? So I don't have a
great answer for why Lamar Jackson feels like he's regressed
based off what he's been able to do in the past,
(24:16):
But I would say that the main thing is that
I did. I feel like he's rushing as you're watching
on the field, like he's like someone's in his year
saying you got to make the decision, hurry up, make
a decision. And because of that, I think he's throwing
the ball, you know, early, and it's throwing off his accuracy.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
I guess my question is, you know, Greg Roman, they
thought they had hit a ceiling with Greg Roman's offense,
and my thought was, like, you want MVP with that offense.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
I don't think that's what it was. But you know,
you're bringing Monk in and it's a passing based offense.
He still runs, but it's more, Hey, now he's been
the league. Now he's a better Now he's a better passer,
not just a thrower. And I again, and their defense
isn't you know when they were when they were failing
in the playoffs previously, the defense was awesome and the offense,
(25:03):
you know, was allowed to just run the football and
to be conservative, occasionally take a shot.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Is it too much for him to carry the team
as a passer.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
It feels like it right now, right I mean, Mike
McDonald Obtis is a great defensive Corder has done a
great job as the head coach down Seattle and getting
them in position of the postseason, and they missed that
he was, you know, he's brilliantly smart, and so they
missed that defensive side of the ball where maybe the
town's not to the level, and seeing the Ravens before,
but they were technically on top of everything offensively. The
frustrating thing for me when I watched the Ravens, and
(25:32):
I'm sure Ravens stans too, they could have run the
ball last night like they were running the ball perfectly fine.
They just couldn't stick with it. But you know, if
they could just find a way to get back to
Derrick Henry and giving him the ball twenty plus times
a game, I think that even if they fall behind
ten or twelve or thirteen points, I think you still
want to focus on Derrick Henry getting the ball because that,
to me is your ticket to finding a way to
(25:54):
still win the North, which again is wide open. And
even the Bengals, as hard as it's been to mad
and in so late, you're only a few games out now,
you know, and I know we don't have a lot
of games left, but you know it might be nine
and eight or eight and nine could win that division,
which before the season started, Doug, I would have never
dreamt that with those three teams Pittsburgh obviously, Baltimore and Cincinnati,
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I would have never dreamt it would have been that
kind of an outcome of where the seasons ended up.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Right now, I'm obviously as a coach, I'm even a
football fan.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
You love what Joe Burrows said. And here's here's kind
of my takeaway, Mark, just stick with me. Let me
kind of explain it.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Were so critical of athletes when it's load management or
when they shut it down, you know, late in the
college football season, late in the NFL season, and yet
our generation, you and I were kind of the ones
that came up with this idea of load management or
protecting the asset that is the player in college, in
(26:54):
the pros or whatever. So if anything, we got to
be self critical and understand that, you know, gen X
is being critical of gen Z for an idea, for
an idea and a plan that is really a gen
X plan. That being that being said, what does it say,
What does Joe Burrow playing despite the very very slight
(27:16):
chance of making the playoffs say about Burrow and and
how we view him.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Yeah, I mean, if you I'm sure as we watched
the game last night, we saw the injury history at
Joe Burrow, and it's it's something that I've talked about
multiple times over the years that that's just a sad
fact of his career, whether it was in college or
now in the NFL, that he gets banged up a lot.
And I think for Joe, he wants to prove that
he can be out there with the guys, and he
understands every year can be magical and special and you
(27:46):
just don't know how it's longer you get to play
this game. It can be taken away from you in
a blink. And so I love that that he decided
that he wanted to be out there. And I think
it also because the Bengals were mathematically still alive, that
you put him back out there and say, hey, look,
let's let's see what we can do and would kind
of spark we can give the team. And even though
he started a little slow, he's certainly you know, sped
up and really kind of you know, looks like the
(28:07):
Joe Burrow that you know could have been the team
that you know when's the division and we'll see. I
mean again, we've got only a few We got enough
games left where you could say, yeah, it would be bizarre,
but you know, they play each other, They've got to
play with the opponents. You know, nothing's going apart for
any team right now in the North. It's a stretch.
But it was fun to watch him be out there
and show that. You know, as a leader, he's going
(28:27):
to if he can be there, he'll be there.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
Okay, help me out, I need the absolute neutral former
general manager, former player personnel guy, your opinion on Shudor Sanders.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
How did he play in his first week as a starter.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Uh, you know, I you know, you got to give
him credit for at least you know, I know you
make the half back pass and you know you got
to let the running backs. You know, Scamper's in for
a long touchdown and so he gets stats to that.
But he still has to get the ball his hand
to put in the right spot. You know, he made
the one throw it down the field. But overall, I
still felt like the game was uber fast for him.
I don't feel like it's and I would have him
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the start of this week. I would either get three
or four starts unless he failed desperately or terribly, I
should say, you know, I would go ahead and get
a sense because really where the Browns sit as an
organization is who's the number two? It's really going to
be the number two. Is shouduor good enough to be
a number two? Let's figure that out because there's really
no number one on this roster. I don't think it's
either one of these guys based off of what I've
(29:28):
seen from both of them this year, but I would
like to see more should do, but I don't think
it's going to get better, honestly, Doug. I just I'm
not a hater on Shadu or anything like that. I
just feel like the processing's too fast for him, and
he doesn't process it fast enough. And like what he
was able to do in Colorado where the system was
really quick, we can get the ball out. Now things
are everything's moving so much faster. I think it's hard
for him.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Is that something that improves with experience?
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Usually it can because the games that quote unquote slows
down for young players. But to me, the sty I
will play this is why I should do or dropped
Because a lot of people worried about the system he
played in Colorado that was so quarterback friendly for him specifically,
that can that translate over So a lot of people
are like, I don't know why, you know, I thought
it was a first round pick. Well, a lot of
scouts went in there, though, you know, I don't know
(30:14):
about this office is what we're going to run in
the NFL, And so therefore do I feel like he's
got the same tools I can get him to where
he needs to go to the next level, and a
lot of clips that I don't think so, you know,
and obviously the other things around you do her. He's
tried to handle those the best he can. But I
think when you watch it, yes, you're supposed to get
more time, but to me, I still think you're going
to see a lot of interceptions over the next couple
(30:35):
of weeks.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Okay, same question with JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
I think it's fair and I think the same thing
is very frustrating for JJ. Also is that you feel
like he should be able to do it and be
more of a consistent player, you know, one through four
quarters and not be spurty. And I think that the
same thing though is no matter what I played JJ
the rest of ye as long as he can be
on the football field to find out exactly what I have.
But I got to understand that as an organization, I
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don't have to be married to him. As much as
that sounds crazy, He's only two years in and this
is really only his first year. You know. The one
mistake you can do is say, well, we'll just give
him one more year and soup we can get just
figured out if the Vikings are in a position where
they could draft another quarterback and say, hey, look we're
to make a competition, but we've got to find that guy.
That's what you have to do, because in the end,
we all know that that's really what matters to the
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most is who's pulling the trigger on your football team
at that position. If that need, you have to go
back to the well again, go back to the well.
Look at Chris Ballard. He's done it basically every year
as a coach GM. He's had a different starter out there,
and now he may have found the right one at
Daniel Jones for a while.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Mark, you're the best man. I love your analysis.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
Obviously, I respect all the experience you have, and I
hope you had a great Thanksgiving with the family enjoyed
this weekend.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
We'll talk to you next week on my show. In
the meantime, thanks so much for being a guest in
the Herd.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Thanks for having me on. Happy Thanksgiving Brothers.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
You too.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
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