September 23, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the Chiefs win over the Falcons Sunday night and wonders out loud how Kansas City just finds a way to win each week. Doug discusses a couple of people who took revenge on their former teams over the weekend. Doug welcomes former pro-bowl receiver and current FSR TJ Houshmandzadeh on to talk about the Raiders, Chiefs and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Big Deal, Little Deal, or No Deal?".
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I think we need to start with I think we
need to start with last night's Chiefs win over the
Falcons chief because when you're watching that game early on,
you're like, oh, yeah, Falcons got this one, and then
you're in factor in your brain. Okay, well maybe not
because you know it's Kirk Cousins is primetime Kirk Cousins
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and Kirk Cousins Primetime Kirk Cousins is a bad thing,
and you know, for the third consecutive game, and Pat
Mahomes in the first half kind of loose with the ball.
His interception guy was open. I think yeah, I mean
I believe that Kelsey was open. I think it was
Kelsey in the end zone. He just underthrew it, gets
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picked off and you're looking up and then the Chiefs
managed to get to fourteen thirteen at the half, and
he's just like, well, the Chiefs are just kind of
hanging around doing their thing. They don't have a great
running game again. And if you were going to tell
me that Carson Steele was gonna what a great name though,
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Carson Steele. It's gonna lead them in rushing with seventy
two yards, Like, congratulations to you, Rushie Rice, as we
told you. The only reason they haven't gotten River she Rice,
who was on camera walking away from the scene of
a car chase whatever and the car crash that other
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people were badly hurt in the only reason he hasn't
been suspended because he's their best player, best offensive weapon
outside of Pat Mahomes. And like, for a third consecutive week,
you walk away going like are they any good? I
don't know, but keep winning games. Here's Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Afterwards, we haven't played good. I mean, really, all three
games we've been able to win. I mean that speaks
to the character of the team, the grid, how we've
been in these situations before. But I'll speak especially offensively
and me myself, I feel like I haven't played very well.
And that's not a stats thing. I just feel like
I'm missing opportunities whenever they're out there, and not throwing
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the ball in the exact spot I wanted to be yet.
So it's about me getting back to my fundamentals, putting
our guys in the right position, and then we got
to execute at a higher level offensively. If teams are
gonna make us drive the field, we have to prove
that we're able to do that. And I'm sure we'll
get a lot of the same this next week with
the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Here's Rahie Morris when he's asked about a late non
no call on Kyle Pits and the end zone probably
should have been called past interference.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
They didn't see the pass and affairs.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
It looked like it was clearly passing affairs on the replay.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
I like my money. Let I like my money. What
Arthur Blank gives me. You don't have to get that, yeah,
you do. I'm very smart enough to be aware enough
to talk about officials. They made the call or they
didn't make the call.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It is what it is.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
We got to we had a chance to win the
football game when the last play the game.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
They did so I guess. Look, there's some some coaching
stuff that you have to get to, there's some parts
that you absolutely wonder about, and then there's just a
it does. I actually, you know, I find time when
we have a podcast that we do an hour of
the show of if you haven't downloaded download Reavie download
(03:56):
podcasts just typing Doug Gottlieb, and part of it will
do you know what does the Fox Say? Where we
play portion of what everybody else has said all day long?
And we didn't use cow Hurt today, but I did
hear him or maybe saw his thing on the volume
about how it feels like the Patriots. It does. It does.
It's a completely dissimilar but totally similar thing to the
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Patriots in that it doesn't make any sense to me
at all how they keep winning these games except for
the fact that the old winners win. They just find
a way. You know, they're just okay, like are they
what are they good at? Like, I don't know. I mean,
Chris Jones is really really good, and the defense is good.
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It's not great, it's good, but they hang around, hang around,
and he finds a way to score enough points like
I don't. It's whereas when you'd watch the Patriots play
and this was like a fifteen year time, when you're
just like, they're okay, their defense is okay, their offensive skilled,
they have a guy here there, and then they would
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end up with twelve or thirteen wins and we would
all say, well, the af AFC East stinks. Yeah, that
part to it. I just I'm gonna tell you honestly,
it does. I'm gonna agree with Cowherd, which I don't
always do, and I will call out when I don't
do it. I'm gonna agree with Cowherd. It does feel
like the Pets in that there is no reasonable way
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of explaining how they win all these games. When I mean, heck,
he said it, and he said it well having played well,
haven't even played well, and yet here they are three
and no, whereas I have some other teams that have
played well that are one and two. Some teams are
zero and three. A couple or two and one, Jason Buyer,
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I mean, can you is that help put it together
for somebody who didn't watch last night's game, Because I was,
I watched an extensive part. I watched every play last
night's game, and I remember watching the first half going like, man,
maybe Atlantic would win this thing, and then he ends
up being the pass to the same well, I mean
the past, I say, Pats, the Chiefs do the same.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
This is the part that I would disagree with Cowherd
or disagree with you on saying it feels like the Patriots.
It feels like the Patriots when the Chiefs go and
win the Super Bowl again, or when you think they're
out of it, they're back in it. But the Patriots
would kick the crap out of some teams. They would,
and maybe maybe there'd be a regular season game where
they'd falter a little. But this Chiefs team again. Week one,
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a toe's out of bounds, we two bailed out by
a pass interference penalty, allowing them to kick the game
winning field goal, and then last night getting a fourth
and one stop as the Falcons failed to kick a
field goal earlier on the drive where you had the
pass interference that wasn't called. So those are those are
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Houdini like escapes, and two of those are at home.
Granted they're against teams that you think you would play
in the playoffs and face against the playoffs, but there
were times the Patriots just put it on teams and
that's not Kansas City. And I think that your analysis
of we're not sure what they're great at is very
fair because the running game is not the same without
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Isaiah pa check out, not that they would commit to
it anyway. Travis Kelcey hasn't been as much of a
factor where she rice is their weapon. But what they
are good at is what you said, the winning, Yeah,
winning games. Knowing late game situations, do you think the
Chiefs would have had the play call the Falcons ran
on fourth and one? Probably not, No, that wouldn't have
been the case. And to give the Chiefs the credit
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that they deserve, on that play completely blew the Falcons
off the line of scrimmage. So whatever play the Falcons ran,
they weren't going to succeed, But Kansas City understands it.
Kansas City had a game last year and I remember this,
Doug because it was Week sex seventeen, and I lost
in fantasy football because Harrison Butcker kicked six field goals
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that game last not the Atlanta Falcons are like, now
we need a touchdown. We need to do this. You
kick two field goals, you give yourself a chance to
at least win the game. Now, maybe they did have
a chance at the end, but I would rather take
Young Wayku kicking those two field goals and going and
hoping your defense gets a stop, especially at home. Maybe
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you don't get that pass interference call like the Chiefs
did last week. Maybe you could play tougher on defense,
but man, they just figure out a way to win
in those late game situations. They're better versed than every
other team in the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I think it's totally fair. There's a lot there, so
full full disclosure. Zach ROBINSON'SZC of the Atlanta Falcons, really
good friend of mine, used to be with the Rams,
play quarterback in Oklahoma State stud dude, and I will
point out, like, if we're being fair, and I'm only
going to dry parallel to my own situation, I'm inexperienced,
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Like I just we had our first practice of the year,
like official practice of the year today and like I'm not.
I know the nuts and bolts of how I want
to coach and how I want to play. Coach a
lot of games, but in the building of a program
and the things you have to hit on and the
building up to teaching guys things that they don't know,
you can't assume that they know. Like, I'm an experience,
so I have to lean on people, and I still
have a relatively inexperience. Don't have like a fifty year
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year vet. I don't have an Andy Reid, right And
so Andy Reid has seen these things a million times over,
and he coaches like it, and his team plays like it,
and there's an ease to it, and they've also seen success.
Whether or not Rashid Rice has been a part of
that success previously in the big moments or past or not,
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the fact is that they have You have a coach
who's done it, you have a quarterback who's done it.
You get some players who've done it, and there's almost
an arrogance to like, we're going to figure it out
and that's only time and some failure and a lot
of success can kind of teach you that. But I
also think that it's just amazing to see these escapes
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and how many things. And I would also tell you
that the point you made was a good one kick
the field goal because the fear of Pat Mahomes, it's
a real feel. He's a great player. There's no other
way to explain the incredible amount of team success and
individual but mostly team success they've had for the past
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couple of years because his numbers haven't been out of
this world in regular season, a lot of turnovers and
you know, kind of uneven play you will. It's not
like he's set the world on fire in any of
the past maybe three or four years. But at the
end of the game, you do have that fear like
you had a fear of Brady, like you have fear
of Aaron Rodgers, like you have a fear of Peyton Manning,
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Like don't give them the ball with a chance to
win the game, like last week is the example. All fine,
I do you again. I'm not saying that there's anything
wrong with him, but like, this is not the Chiefs
offense with Tyreek Hill. This is not Travis Kelcey. Is
not the guy he was last year and definitely wasn't
isn't close to the guy he was two years ago.
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Like he looks old, he looks coverable, whereas he was
kind of uncoverable, especially when with Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I think that people oftentimes reacted away. Here's I'm gonna
give you a sports parallel for this time of year
that I think for you, especially Dan will work and
Jason will work for you as well. When the Yankees
had Marion Rivera, the swings in the fifth, especially the
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sixth and seventh inning, guys came up and they're the
patients that they would have for the Yankees and trying
wearing down the starting pitcher completely evaporated because they knew
that was coming in and you felt like nobody beats
that guy, right. That just felt like a formality, you know,
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good night, good luck, drive home safely. You know. That's
how it was. And I think that's where we are
with the Chiefs, whether it's real or imagined. You're so
hesitant to just do the right thing. Like read the game.
The Chiefs scored nine points in the third quarter, not
like they lighten up the scoreboard. They got one talented
wide receiver, Travis Kelsey is still going to catch the football,
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but he's a shell of the guy he used to be,
and they have no running game and they're just not
the same as they have had been. And yet you
played as if, holy hell, if we kicked this field goal,
we're signing ourselves up to lose a game. And I
just don't think that's the case. You have the new
kickoff rule, which you could have pinned them deep all
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different points. But this is not me in any way
saying the Chiefs stink. Do they get a call? Yeah,
it's Kansas basketball in many ways too, where just like
you almost think they're gonna get a call even when
they don't get a call, it's like there was a
really bad roughing call on both teams on successive drives.
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But for whatever reason, it feels like the Chiefs always
get the college Like, no, it's actually even.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
So.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
This is a roundabout way of pointing out something we
all saw, we all feel, and I think everybody in
the NFL feels like there isn't really an explanation other
than they just know they're gonna win and the other
team knows they're gonna lose, and it ends up playing
out that way more often than not. And I'm sorry,
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I'm I'm I'm pausing and that should be your time
to get in. This is my apology to you, but
you're right, like the Ravens didn't really do that. They
caught the ball in the enzone with the toe on
the line. But then you're watching like Chiefs again. And
then last week with the with the pick six, that's
that's called back the Chiefs again. And it's just a feeling,
and it's the opposite feeling of what it's like to
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be a Charger fan. Jason and I were talking this morning,
We're like, are you kidding me? Both tackles out. You know,
finally got a competent coach, and apparently the Charger's curse
is carries over to new coaching staffs, even when they
play super physical football. It's the opposite feeling. You're sitting
there watching like we're gonna lose this game, are we? Yep?
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You know I I know that everybody points out the
Colorado Hail Mary, But to me, I watched an end
of first half Baylor has to tackle at like the
forty five yard line. The Colorado kid looked like he
was down, but he stayed on his feet and Baylor
just stopped playing. Kid runs in for a touchdown. It's like,
I don't want to say loser mentality, but just if
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you haven't done it with that group, they don't know
how to do it. And even though there's some new
pieces to this group, the Chiefs just know how to
win and find a way. And everyone walks away going like, wait,
how'd that happen? I don't know. There's a fourth down
call here. He could have kicked the field goal, there
is a fourth and one stop, there's a I don't
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really know. Oh the Chiefs could I guess they win.
It's it's a very very weird sports thing in that
winners do win.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Can I say one thing anything you want to? That's okay?
Speaker 7 (15:23):
Your point about Zach Robinson, And this is where I
think the Falcons just kind of felt that they were
pot committed, not on the drive at the end of
the game, but on the previous drive, and they should
have kicked the field goal to get within two. They
went for it on fourth and two at the eighteen
yard line with six minutes left and got it, and
it was probably that was probably the time to kick
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the field goal. But you think fourth and two were
down here because I know I've said this to you
a hundred times, but I cannot say it enough. The
Chiefs working the clock are a machine. When there's six
minutes left in the game, they will milk that thing.
They will get eleven yards on their three plays and
move the chains and you will never see the football back.
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And I think that's what the Falcons thought at that time,
that even with six minutes left in the game and
the timeouts that they have, we got to score a
touchdown here. So when they ended up going for it
the first time, they took two more minutes off the clock.
Now there's four minutes left, and you feel like you
have to go for it on fourth down the first
time the first time around, and that's where they kind
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of felt pot committed, because if you weren't going to
kick it earlier, you really can't kick it that second time.
And that's where I think they got stuck on not
kicking the first field goal. But that's what the Kansas
City Chiefs do to you. All of that stuff made
the Falcons made those make those decisions because of what
the Chiefs have done previously. And I don't think you
get that with thirty one other teams in the NFL.
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PARALLEM Yeah, twenty four outs. You don't have twenty seven.
You have twenty four outs to get your runs. Yep,
just like this, you have fifty four minutes to win
the game. You don't have you don't have sixty because
if they have the football at the end, they are
going to milk the clock. They are so good at it,
so good. Last night they ended up getting a Falcons
kind of stop and got the football back. But that
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doesn't happen a lot of the times. Chiefs are usually
magnificent in those situations.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Jasey, what's it like to watch.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
The Chiefs. I think that there's a You said this
last year about two teams. You said that the Caleb
Williams usc Trojans like to play with their food. You
said that Pat Mahomes likes to play with this food.
I think that what the last season, in three games
has shown is that the Chiefs have been figured out.
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He's not playing with his food. They've just taken away
his options. He said after the game last night, they're
taking away Kelsey. So I don't think it's a matter
of playing with the food. Is that they've been figured out.
Andy Reid needs to figure out a way to counter that.
And in the meantime, they got a great defense. I
don't think any any of us in this room are
gonna argue the fact that the Chiefs won the Super
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Bowl last year because of their defense and their clutch quarterback.
Speaker 9 (18:09):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (18:09):
But yeah, it's a weird one and I have zero
faith that the Chargers are gonna beat them this week
with Herbert or not.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, h wild weekend, man, you guys have a good weekend.
It's good. I will I will tell you that. The
other thing that happened this weekend is fall arrived. And
you got Dan can speak to this because he grew
up in the Midwest, right, Jay stew I don't know
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if you know obviously Sam who's out, he's a little
bit under the weather on the weather today and it's time,
you know, growing up in Iowa, he can speak to it. Right.
It's it's an amazing thing when it happens. Usually it
happens like around the first of September. But we had
a little bit of Indian summer, Like just you walk
outside and the air feels different, it smells different, the
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breeze is different, the temperature different. And the one thing
we've had over the past I don't know. Six or
seven years is when we get to fall. The Chiefs
find a way to figure things out, and everybody else,
everybody else kind of collapses around. We do have some
breaking news.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Breaking newsparts, Doug, this falls into your lab. Brett McMurphy,
your buddy from the Action Network, the first to report
that Gonzaga is going to be leaving the West Coast
Conference to join the new Packed twelve.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
So this move would be.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
I believe taking place in twenty twenty six, but Gonzaga
leaving the West Coast Conference to join the Pac twelve.
This after Memphis, South Florida, UTSA and Tulane decided to
stay in the American Athletic Conference, but Gonzaga is leaving
the West Coast Conference.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I have some thoughts on that I'll share with you
later on in the show.
Speaker 10 (19:53):
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It's Doug gallib Show, It's Fox Sports Radio. It's a Monday.
Did you guys see who was playing next? Next week?
Monday Night Football? Rough one, Dolphins, Titans, Now you got
Jacksonville oh and two taking on Buffalo. I think Jacksonville
is better than their record, but not that much. Cincinnati
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oh in two took it on Washington in the Natty.
So you have two teams that we both think should
be around late in the AFC playoffs. One though off
to anh and two start one a chance to get
the three oh which is you look statistically a great
shout at making the playoffs. I thought two cool things
did happen. You talk about the Tennessee Volunteers and and
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UH and the Green Bay Packers going in to Tennessee
getting a win. There was one parallel, Dann Bary. You
know what that parallel is, right, I mean, both teams
were led by somebody fired by the other side, and
they got a win. Malik Willis comes in and you know,
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thirteen of nineteen, they didn't win because of him, but
they didn't lose. You know, he did not put them
in position to lose. And you know, Malik Willis, of
course was a third round draft pick at the Tennessee Titans,
was their starting quarterback. And you know, coaching change, GM change,
and look, he wouldn't I don't think he's great anyway.
I don't think anybody thinks like he's proven he's a
starting quarterback, but it still is pretty awesome. And then Saturday,
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Josh Hipel, who won a Heisman trophy, led Oklahoma to
a national championship and then coached their quarterbacks and their
offense and was let go by Bob Stoops. There's a
statue of him outside of the stadium and they fired him,
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and Tennessee came in their first game against Oklahoma's first
SEC game with Tennessee visiting. It was not nearly as
close as the final score. And look, we can all
talk in terms and say the right things. And whenever
I thought Hipel's postgame speech was awesome, right awesome, because
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he talked about all the things and it didn't It's
not that you know, it wasn't about It was never
about me. But I do appreciate you whinning it for me.
And then the guys gave him the game ball. We'll
get to that upcoming. I mean that, like, look, we're
all human beings, and when some place that's special to
you tells you your services are no longer needed, that
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one hurts bad. And then to lead another parallel football
program in and to beat their tails. That feels really good.
Feels really good. Let's welcome in TJ. Huschman Zada, who
joins us now on the Doug Gottlib Show on Fox
Sport Trade. You can hear a up on game on
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Let's start with the Chiefs. How do you explain how
beatable they look and yet how unbeatable they seem to
be at the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
I mean, the Chiefs are a good teams and when
you're a good team, and that's what happens, you show
some vulnerability, but ultimately you're always gonna find a way
to win. And I mean we talked about this after
they beat the Bengals. They get calls to go in
their favor, but when you're a good team, you get
those calls you get I mean, that was passing appearance
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in the end zone that would have given the Falcons
first and goal from the one yard line. Do you
think they scored? But then the Chiefs would have had
time to probably go down and score, which.
Speaker 9 (23:50):
They probably would have.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
And so the Chiefs, they just make plays when it's needed.
It's fourth in inches, the Falcons had a chance.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
They didn't.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
That's what good team teams do. And they are such
a complete team because if it's not Mahomes an offense,
Chris Jones and that defense has shown us that they
can bring the game home as well.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Stuck Gottleeb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
let's get her on the league. Is Justin Fields good enough?
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Like?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I don't think any of us would say he's great?
Is he good enough?
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Alright, Doug, straight up and down. Justin Fields is a
prime example of being on the right team, the right fit,
the right organization. It's a prime example. He couldn't play
in Chicago. It was what is going to happen? Oh,
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Justin Fields is a bus No, Justin Field's development in Chicago.
So you got to get Mike Tomlin, Arthur Smith and
the Pits Firth Stevens organization at Son of Credit. He's
a quarterback. I know Russell's hurt, and I know they
waiting on Russell.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I don't think they're waiting. I don't think they're waiting
on Russell for one second.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
No, you know what you know what needs to happen
is Mike Tomlin should just tell Justin Fields and that
team he's a starting quarterback. He'll play better knowing that.
But Justin Fields, man that his story? Now is it
just you got to get a Steelers a ton of
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credit for this.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Okay, let's go kind of around around the league. Is
as we continue to look at you know, three weeks
into the season, how do you explain the Carolina Panthers
inserting Andy Dalton in putting thirty six up on the Raiders. Raiders, Now,
by the way, talking about a quarterback change, how do
you explain though Carolina, Andy Dalton good player for a
(25:54):
long time. I know, obviously quarterback with the Bengals, but
the dramatic change in their outcome, Uh.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
That is a.
Speaker 9 (26:04):
Really really.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Crazy How well Andy Dalton played not surprising though Andy
Dalton has always been a pretty good quarterback. But to
see Bryce struggle so much and then Andy Dalton you
do that on a Raiders defense like the Raiders is they're.
Speaker 9 (26:26):
Not just a average like they're one of the better
defenses at least I thought in the league to rush
the passers good on the back end, and so, man,
Andy Dalton was phenomenal, But it is an indictment on
Bryce because he could barely throw for one hundred yards
and Andy.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Dalton threw for three hundred.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
I think Bryce needs.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
To change of scenery. It's confidence even after that, it's
hard like anytime you fail, we all lose our common dog.
But when you see somebody go in there and play
at that level and they win, that has to be
a blow to where you say, man, am I that bad?
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And so I think he needs to get up out
of there. If they're smart, does just trade them, cut
their losses and move forward.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
That's the voice to te j Just just Benzada for a
Pro Bowl wide receiver. He's join us in the Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What about the
Raiders a short time ago, you know, they had a
press conference and I thought it was interesting, right, I
guess that you know, you got a young head coach
comes up and says not ruling out a quarterback change,
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which means there's going to be a quarterback change. Does
Aidan O'Connell change the Raiders at all?
Speaker 5 (27:48):
I'm not too certain of that. You know, Minshew is
going to be a guy at he can create time
in a pocket with his legs. He's not really running
the ball, but he's gonna scramble around to find guys
open and throw as A and O'Connell. He's your prototypical
early two thousand's pocket passer. And the Raiders last time,
(28:08):
I say, I don't believe their old line is the greatest,
and so you're gonna put quote unquote almost a statue
back there, the old line better, black better. They didn't
lose that game yesterday because of Gardner Minshew. They lost
that game because the defense didn't play how many thought
they would play, how I thought they would play. But
(28:30):
when you do say that, you're right, Doug, we're considering
it's probably gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, it's not probably, it is gonna happen. Malik Naghbors
makes two touchdown grabs. One was just absolutely spectacular. How
do we look now at uh at Danny Dimes?
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Hey, Daniel Jones played well. I was watching some of
that game. Man. He played well. He really did. But
I'm a really big believer in Brian Dave was a
head coach.
Speaker 9 (29:00):
Man.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
This dude is so underrated as a coach because of
the deficiencies of Daniel Jones at times and his accuracy problems.
But when Daniel Jones is playing on time for the
most part, being accurate, the way Dabele can design and
scheme guys open and schemap plays that defense. I thought
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the defense played very well that d line. I mean
it was pressure the whole game and so but Daniel
Jones played well. When league neighbors, then its somebody's LSU receivers. Man,
they come in the league and they just hit the
ground rolling ready to go.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, they definitely do. Jerry Jones said, Hey, we didn't
have the money to get Derrick Henry. Derek Henry signed
one year, eight million dollars. Instead, of course he went
out and got Zeke for the league minimum. Granted he
had Tony Pollard, and you know, Derrick Henry's a different dude.
What are your thoughts on what's happened to the Dallas
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Cowboys in recent weeks.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
I said before the season started the Dallas Cowboys were
going to start one and two. I really I thought
they would lose to Cleveland, read the Saints, and lose
to the Ravens. Obviously I was wrong with the first two,
but I mean, he had the money to pay Derek Henry.
They didn't want Derek Henry.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
Just say it.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
You had the money to pay them, we didn't want them.
We didn't get helpless.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
Just be honest.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
But when you you know, the Cowboys knew they were
going to pay Dak Prescott. And when you pay a
quarterback to amount of money that Dak is being paid,
the game is going to go through him each and
every game. That's why they didn't want Derrick Henry. That's
why they didn't pay Derrick Henry. Dak being a sixty
million dollars quarterback, and he made around at it towards
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the end of the game. You know, it got real interesting.
Speaker 9 (30:56):
But Dak, the game.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Has to be on his shoulders each and every time
because that's the contract that you want, that's the contract
that you have. Uh, you gotta go get it.
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Speaker 5 (31:18):
You the best man. I'm out here in Cincinnati getting
ready to go to the game, baby.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
As a fan you and as a fan, yeah, I
mean what else.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
Am I going? Isn't I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Where are you going to sing?
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Oh, I'm sitting in the suite, and sweet sitting in
the box. I'm sitting in the box. I'm just you know,
over here talking with some of my commanders. I'm friends here,
people in the front office and coaches and stuff. Just
talking to them.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Bro, we'll talk. We'll catch up soon. Thanks sir.
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Speaker 10 (32:07):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Dan Buyer, what do you got, Doug?
Speaker 10 (32:18):
The game today is big deal, little deal, no deed?
Speaker 4 (32:23):
All right, big deal, little deal or no deal. This
is a game situation.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
So the Cowboys that were just recovering an on side
kick and they've gotten within ten of the Ravens with
ten minutes left, they're excuse me, with seven minutes left
in their game?
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Big deal, little deal or no deal?
Speaker 7 (32:37):
That the Cowboys tried to kick an on side kick
again again seven minutes left down ten Big deal that
the Cowboys went back to back on sidekicks feels like.
Speaker 10 (32:48):
A big deal.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
It's just a weird thing to be in a stadium,
and the on side kick is the ultimate sneak attack,
and now you have to tell people are going to
be on sidekick. Very it's just weird.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
And the chances the chances as well of getting one,
and then you do, and then you think, hey, it's
probably gonna happen again.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
No it's not.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
I thought it was a bad coaching decision by the Cowboys.
I know they have a lot of problems, all right,
big deal, little dealer, no deal, Doug that raiders said.
Coach Antonio Pierce said some players made business decisions and
yesterday's lost to the Panthers.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Huge, huge deal, huge deal. I think they got all kinds.
I just I like Antonio appierst the guy. I knew
him some from our days at at working when he
was at ESPN. I don't feel like that's a this
is a winning situation. I just don't, you know, that's
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a way of calling out guys for not you know,
for not doing the things they need to do to
win games. But it's a you know, it's like you
can be a player's coach, but the players can't run team.
This is not a democracy. It's just not you have
a vote. It's it's honestly a lot like the Green
Bay Packers, you know, with all the people saying they
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own the team, but you don't actually have any say
in the team, nor do you collect any benefits financially
from owning the team. That's really the way it works.
As a player, like you actually get the bet, but
you don't. You can have a vote, doesn't mean it counts.
Speaker 7 (34:25):
Big deal, little dealer, No deal, Doug that Reggie Bush
is suing the NCAA, PAC twelve and USC to secure
compensation for past use of his name, image, and likeness
while he played for the Trojans.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
He'll probably win, because everybody wins when they sue the NCAA.
But I don't. This doesn't make me think any higher
of Reggie Bush. I will say this that what will
happen is it'll get exposed that he was taking money,
he knew he was taking money, he knew he wasn't
supposed to be doing it, and he's never been accountable
for it. So again he'll sue. He'll probably win. But
(35:01):
it is really interesting that you know, he's tried to
play the victim in this thing. And I look, they
were making a lot of money and they were making
it from a guy who wanted to be an agent
that they were never going to use to begin with.
So it's not like he's some victim of this of
some victim in my mind.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
So no deal will that be? Would that be a
no deal or.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
It's a no deal?
Speaker 4 (35:25):
No deal? All right?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Transparent deal, transparentodeal.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
All right?
Speaker 7 (35:30):
Big deal, little deal or no deal that some people
within the Raptors organization didn't want Vince Carter's number fifteen
to be the first player in their franchise to have
their number retired. They apparently weren't happy about the way
he left Toronto and some wanted Kyle Lowry's number to
be retired. First said, a big deal, little deal or
no deal?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Hmmmm, think you'll no deal, a little deal that they're
not going to.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Retire the number.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
They are going to retire Vince Carter's number fifteen, but
there was pushback on it. They announced it that they're
going to retire the fifteen, but some within the Raptors
and Raptors fans didn't want Vince Carter's to be the
first Jersey retired. So is that a big deal, a
little deal or no deal? That they still harbor ill
will towards Vince Carter for why he left Toronto.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Feels like a little deal. Like they pay attention, they care,
he doesn't. It was like Vince Carter went somewhere else
in win NBA Championship. He didn't. So it's a little deal.
It's a petty little deal, all right. I don't blame
them for being mad. Again, don't blame them at all,
but again, petty little deal.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
Finally, big deal, little dealer, no deal that Caitlin Clark
and the Fever were routed in Game one of their
playoff series with Connecticut ninety three sixty nine, with Clark
getting a black eye.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
In the game, that's a big deal. I mean, it
was like, this is a different level of basketball, no
matter how much statistically she dominated late in the year. Playoffs,
it was like a Kobe's first playoff type deal. That's
that's that's a great parallel, and that's game time.
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(00:43):
I think we need to start with I think we
need to start with last night's Chiefs win over the
Falcons chief because when you're watching that game early on,
you're like, oh, yeah, Falcons got this one, and then
you're in factor in your brain. Okay, well maybe not
because you know it's Kirk Cousins is primetime Kirk Cousins
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and Kirk Cousins Primetime Kirk Cousins is a bad thing,
and you know, for the third consecutive game, and Pat
Mahomes in the first half kind of loose with the ball.
His interception guy was open. I think yeah, I mean
I believe that Kelsey was open. I think it was
Kelsey in the end zone. He just underthrew it, gets
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picked off and you're looking up and then the Chiefs
managed to get to fourteen thirteen at the half, and
he's just like, well, the Chiefs are just kind of
hanging around doing their thing. They don't have a great
running game again. And if you were going to tell
me that Carson Steele was gonna what a great name though,
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Carson Steele. It's gonna lead them in rushing with seventy
two yards, Like, congratulations to you, Rushie Rice, as we
told you. The only reason they haven't gotten River she Rice,
who was on camera walking away from the scene of
a car chase whatever and the car crash that other
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people were badly hurt in the only reason he hasn't
been suspended because he's their best player, best offensive weapon
outside of Pat Mahomes. And like, for a third consecutive week,
you walk away going like are they any good? I
don't know, but keep winning games. Here's Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Afterwards, we haven't played good. I mean, really, all three
games we've been able to win. I mean that speaks
to the character of the team, the grid, how we've
been in these situations before. But I'll speak especially offensively
and me myself, I feel like I haven't played very well.
And that's not a stats thing. I just feel like
I'm missing opportunities whenever they're out there, and not throwing
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the ball in the exact spot I wanted to be yet.
So it's about me getting back to my fundamentals, putting
our guys in the right position, and then we got
to execute at a higher level offensively. If teams are
gonna make us drive the field, we have to prove
that we're able to do that. And I'm sure we'll
get a lot of the same this next week with
the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Here's Rahie Morris when he's asked about a late non
no call on Kyle Pits and the end zone probably
should have been called past interference.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
They didn't see the pass and affairs.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
It looked like it was clearly passing affairs on the replay.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
I like my money. Let I like my money. What
Arthur Blank gives me. You don't have to get that, yeah,
you do. I'm very smart enough to be aware enough
to talk about officials. They made the call or they
didn't make the call.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It is what it is.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
We got to we had a chance to win the
football game when the last play the game.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
They did so I guess. Look, there's some some coaching
stuff that you have to get to, there's some parts
that you absolutely wonder about, and then there's just a
it does. I actually, you know, I find time when
we have a podcast that we do an hour of
the show of if you haven't downloaded download Reavie download
(03:56):
podcasts just typing Doug Gottlieb, and part of it will
do you know what does the Fox Say? Where we
play portion of what everybody else has said all day long?
And we didn't use cow Hurt today, but I did
hear him or maybe saw his thing on the volume
about how it feels like the Patriots. It does. It does.
It's a completely dissimilar but totally similar thing to the
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Patriots in that it doesn't make any sense to me
at all how they keep winning these games except for
the fact that the old winners win. They just find
a way. You know, they're just okay, like are they
what are they good at? Like, I don't know. I mean,
Chris Jones is really really good, and the defense is good.
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It's not great, it's good, but they hang around, hang around,
and he finds a way to score enough points like
I don't. It's whereas when you'd watch the Patriots play
and this was like a fifteen year time, when you're
just like, they're okay, their defense is okay, their offensive skilled,
they have a guy here there, and then they would
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end up with twelve or thirteen wins and we would
all say, well, the af AFC East stinks. Yeah, that
part to it. I just I'm gonna tell you honestly,
it does. I'm gonna agree with Cowherd, which I don't
always do, and I will call out when I don't
do it. I'm gonna agree with Cowherd. It does feel
like the Pets in that there is no reasonable way
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of explaining how they win all these games. When I mean, heck,
he said it, and he said it well having played well,
haven't even played well, and yet here they are three
and no, whereas I have some other teams that have
played well that are one and two. Some teams are
zero and three. A couple or two and one, Jason Buyer,
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I mean, can you is that help put it together
for somebody who didn't watch last night's game, Because I was,
I watched an extensive part. I watched every play last
night's game, and I remember watching the first half going like, man,
maybe Atlantic would win this thing, and then he ends
up being the pass to the same well, I mean
the past, I say, Pats, the Chiefs do the same.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
This is the part that I would disagree with Cowherd
or disagree with you on saying it feels like the Patriots.
It feels like the Patriots when the Chiefs go and
win the Super Bowl again, or when you think they're
out of it, they're back in it. But the Patriots
would kick the crap out of some teams. They would,
and maybe maybe there'd be a regular season game where
they'd falter a little. But this Chiefs team again. Week one,
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a toe's out of bounds, we two bailed out by
a pass interference penalty, allowing them to kick the game
winning field goal, and then last night getting a fourth
and one stop as the Falcons failed to kick a
field goal earlier on the drive where you had the
pass interference that wasn't called. So those are those are
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Houdini like escapes, and two of those are at home.
Granted they're against teams that you think you would play
in the playoffs and face against the playoffs, but there
were times the Patriots just put it on teams and
that's not Kansas City. And I think that your analysis
of we're not sure what they're great at is very
fair because the running game is not the same without
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Isaiah pa check out, not that they would commit to
it anyway. Travis Kelcey hasn't been as much of a
factor where she rice is their weapon. But what they
are good at is what you said, the winning, Yeah,
winning games. Knowing late game situations, do you think the
Chiefs would have had the play call the Falcons ran
on fourth and one? Probably not, No, that wouldn't have
been the case. And to give the Chiefs the credit
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that they deserve, on that play completely blew the Falcons
off the line of scrimmage. So whatever play the Falcons ran,
they weren't going to succeed, But Kansas City understands it.
Kansas City had a game last year and I remember this,
Doug because it was Week sex seventeen, and I lost
in fantasy football because Harrison Butcker kicked six field goals
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that game last not the Atlanta Falcons are like, now
we need a touchdown. We need to do this. You
kick two field goals, you give yourself a chance to
at least win the game. Now, maybe they did have
a chance at the end, but I would rather take
Young Wayku kicking those two field goals and going and
hoping your defense gets a stop, especially at home. Maybe
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you don't get that pass interference call like the Chiefs
did last week. Maybe you could play tougher on defense,
but man, they just figure out a way to win
in those late game situations. They're better versed than every
other team in the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I think it's totally fair. There's a lot there, so
full full disclosure. Zach ROBINSON'SZC of the Atlanta Falcons, really
good friend of mine, used to be with the Rams,
play quarterback in Oklahoma State stud dude, and I will
point out, like, if we're being fair, and I'm only
going to dry parallel to my own situation, I'm inexperienced,
(09:05):
Like I just we had our first practice of the year,
like official practice of the year today and like I'm not.
I know the nuts and bolts of how I want
to coach and how I want to play. Coach a
lot of games, but in the building of a program
and the things you have to hit on and the
building up to teaching guys things that they don't know,
you can't assume that they know. Like, I'm an experience,
so I have to lean on people, and I still
have a relatively inexperience. Don't have like a fifty year
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year vet. I don't have an Andy Reid, right And
so Andy Reid has seen these things a million times over,
and he coaches like it, and his team plays like it,
and there's an ease to it, and they've also seen success.
Whether or not Rashid Rice has been a part of
that success previously in the big moments or past or not,
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the fact is that they have You have a coach
who's done it, you have a quarterback who's done it.
You get some players who've done it, and there's almost
an arrogance to like, we're going to figure it out
and that's only time and some failure and a lot
of success can kind of teach you that. But I
also think that it's just amazing to see these escapes
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and how many things. And I would also tell you
that the point you made was a good one kick
the field goal because the fear of Pat Mahomes, it's
a real feel. He's a great player. There's no other
way to explain the incredible amount of team success and
individual but mostly team success they've had for the past
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couple of years because his numbers haven't been out of
this world in regular season, a lot of turnovers and
you know, kind of uneven play you will. It's not
like he's set the world on fire in any of
the past maybe three or four years. But at the
end of the game, you do have that fear like
you had a fear of Brady, like you have fear
of Aaron Rodgers, like you have a fear of Peyton Manning,
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Like don't give them the ball with a chance to
win the game, like last week is the example. All fine,
I do you again. I'm not saying that there's anything
wrong with him, but like, this is not the Chiefs
offense with Tyreek Hill. This is not Travis Kelcey. Is
not the guy he was last year and definitely wasn't
isn't close to the guy he was two years ago.
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Like he looks old, he looks coverable, whereas he was
kind of uncoverable, especially when with Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I think that people oftentimes reacted away. Here's I'm gonna
give you a sports parallel for this time of year
that I think for you, especially Dan will work and
Jason will work for you as well. When the Yankees
had Marion Rivera, the swings in the fifth, especially the
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sixth and seventh inning, guys came up and they're the
patients that they would have for the Yankees and trying
wearing down the starting pitcher completely evaporated because they knew
that was coming in and you felt like nobody beats
that guy, right. That just felt like a formality, you know,
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good night, good luck, drive home safely. You know. That's
how it was. And I think that's where we are
with the Chiefs, whether it's real or imagined. You're so
hesitant to just do the right thing. Like read the game.
The Chiefs scored nine points in the third quarter, not
like they lighten up the scoreboard. They got one talented
wide receiver, Travis Kelsey is still going to catch the football,
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but he's a shell of the guy he used to be,
and they have no running game and they're just not
the same as they have had been. And yet you
played as if, holy hell, if we kicked this field goal,
we're signing ourselves up to lose a game. And I
just don't think that's the case. You have the new
kickoff rule, which you could have pinned them deep all
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different points. But this is not me in any way
saying the Chiefs stink. Do they get a call? Yeah,
it's Kansas basketball in many ways too, where just like
you almost think they're gonna get a call even when
they don't get a call, it's like there was a
really bad roughing call on both teams on successive drives.
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But for whatever reason, it feels like the Chiefs always
get the college Like, no, it's actually even.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
So.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
This is a roundabout way of pointing out something we
all saw, we all feel, and I think everybody in
the NFL feels like there isn't really an explanation other
than they just know they're gonna win and the other
team knows they're gonna lose, and it ends up playing
out that way more often than not. And I'm sorry,
(13:37):
I'm I'm I'm pausing and that should be your time
to get in. This is my apology to you, but
you're right, like the Ravens didn't really do that. They
caught the ball in the enzone with the toe on
the line. But then you're watching like Chiefs again. And
then last week with the with the pick six, that's
that's called back the Chiefs again. And it's just a feeling,
and it's the opposite feeling of what it's like to
(14:00):
be a Charger fan. Jason and I were talking this morning,
We're like, are you kidding me? Both tackles out. You know,
finally got a competent coach, and apparently the Charger's curse
is carries over to new coaching staffs, even when they
play super physical football. It's the opposite feeling. You're sitting
there watching like we're gonna lose this game, are we? Yep?
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You know I I know that everybody points out the
Colorado Hail Mary, But to me, I watched an end
of first half Baylor has to tackle at like the
forty five yard line. The Colorado kid looked like he
was down, but he stayed on his feet and Baylor
just stopped playing. Kid runs in for a touchdown. It's like,
I don't want to say loser mentality, but just if
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you haven't done it with that group, they don't know
how to do it. And even though there's some new
pieces to this group, the Chiefs just know how to
win and find a way. And everyone walks away going like, wait,
how'd that happen? I don't know. There's a fourth down
call here. He could have kicked the field goal, there
is a fourth and one stop, there's a I don't
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really know. Oh the Chiefs could I guess they win.
It's it's a very very weird sports thing in that
winners do win.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Can I say one thing anything you want to? That's okay?
Speaker 7 (15:23):
Your point about Zach Robinson, And this is where I
think the Falcons just kind of felt that they were
pot committed, not on the drive at the end of
the game, but on the previous drive, and they should
have kicked the field goal to get within two. They
went for it on fourth and two at the eighteen
yard line with six minutes left and got it, and
it was probably that was probably the time to kick
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the field goal. But you think fourth and two were
down here because I know I've said this to you
a hundred times, but I cannot say it enough. The
Chiefs working the clock are a machine. When there's six
minutes left in the game, they will milk that thing.
They will get eleven yards on their three plays and
move the chains and you will never see the football back.
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And I think that's what the Falcons thought at that time,
that even with six minutes left in the game and
the timeouts that they have, we got to score a
touchdown here. So when they ended up going for it
the first time, they took two more minutes off the clock.
Now there's four minutes left, and you feel like you
have to go for it on fourth down the first
time the first time around, and that's where they kind
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of felt pot committed, because if you weren't going to
kick it earlier, you really can't kick it that second time.
And that's where I think they got stuck on not
kicking the first field goal. But that's what the Kansas
City Chiefs do to you. All of that stuff made
the Falcons made those make those decisions because of what
the Chiefs have done previously. And I don't think you
get that with thirty one other teams in the NFL.
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PARALLEM Yeah, twenty four outs. You don't have twenty seven.
You have twenty four outs to get your runs. Yep,
just like this, you have fifty four minutes to win
the game. You don't have you don't have sixty because
if they have the football at the end, they are
going to milk the clock. They are so good at it,
so good. Last night they ended up getting a Falcons
kind of stop and got the football back. But that
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doesn't happen a lot of the times. Chiefs are usually
magnificent in those situations.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Jasey, what's it like to watch.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
The Chiefs. I think that there's a You said this
last year about two teams. You said that the Caleb
Williams usc Trojans like to play with their food. You
said that Pat Mahomes likes to play with this food.
I think that what the last season, in three games
has shown is that the Chiefs have been figured out.
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He's not playing with his food. They've just taken away
his options. He said after the game last night, they're
taking away Kelsey. So I don't think it's a matter
of playing with the food. Is that they've been figured out.
Andy Reid needs to figure out a way to counter that.
And in the meantime, they got a great defense. I
don't think any any of us in this room are
gonna argue the fact that the Chiefs won the Super
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Bowl last year because of their defense and their clutch quarterback.
Speaker 9 (18:09):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (18:09):
But yeah, it's a weird one and I have zero
faith that the Chargers are gonna beat them this week
with Herbert or not.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, h wild weekend, man, you guys have a good weekend.
It's good. I will I will tell you that. The
other thing that happened this weekend is fall arrived. And
you got Dan can speak to this because he grew
up in the Midwest, right, Jay stew I don't know
(18:37):
if you know obviously Sam who's out, he's a little
bit under the weather on the weather today and it's time,
you know, growing up in Iowa, he can speak to it. Right.
It's it's an amazing thing when it happens. Usually it
happens like around the first of September. But we had
a little bit of Indian summer, Like just you walk
outside and the air feels different, it smells different, the
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breeze is different, the temperature different. And the one thing
we've had over the past I don't know. Six or
seven years is when we get to fall. The Chiefs
find a way to figure things out, and everybody else,
everybody else kind of collapses around. We do have some
breaking news.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Breaking newsparts, Doug, this falls into your lab. Brett McMurphy,
your buddy from the Action Network, the first to report
that Gonzaga is going to be leaving the West Coast
Conference to join the new Packed twelve.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
So this move would be.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
I believe taking place in twenty twenty six, but Gonzaga
leaving the West Coast Conference to join the Pac twelve.
This after Memphis, South Florida, UTSA and Tulane decided to
stay in the American Athletic Conference, but Gonzaga is leaving
the West Coast Conference.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I have some thoughts on that I'll share with you
later on in the show.
Speaker 10 (19:53):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Flock Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
It's Doug gallib Show, It's Fox Sports Radio. It's a Monday.
Did you guys see who was playing next? Next week?
Monday Night Football? Rough one, Dolphins, Titans, Now you got
Jacksonville oh and two taking on Buffalo. I think Jacksonville
is better than their record, but not that much. Cincinnati
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oh in two took it on Washington in the Natty.
So you have two teams that we both think should
be around late in the AFC playoffs. One though off
to anh and two start one a chance to get
the three oh which is you look statistically a great
shout at making the playoffs. I thought two cool things
did happen. You talk about the Tennessee Volunteers and and
(20:49):
UH and the Green Bay Packers going in to Tennessee
getting a win. There was one parallel, Dann Bary. You
know what that parallel is, right, I mean, both teams
were led by somebody fired by the other side, and
they got a win. Malik Willis comes in and you know,
(21:11):
thirteen of nineteen, they didn't win because of him, but
they didn't lose. You know, he did not put them
in position to lose. And you know, Malik Willis, of
course was a third round draft pick at the Tennessee Titans,
was their starting quarterback. And you know, coaching change, GM change,
and look, he wouldn't I don't think he's great anyway.
I don't think anybody thinks like he's proven he's a
starting quarterback, but it still is pretty awesome. And then Saturday,
(21:35):
Josh Hipel, who won a Heisman trophy, led Oklahoma to
a national championship and then coached their quarterbacks and their
offense and was let go by Bob Stoops. There's a
statue of him outside of the stadium and they fired him,
(21:58):
and Tennessee came in their first game against Oklahoma's first
SEC game with Tennessee visiting. It was not nearly as
close as the final score. And look, we can all
talk in terms and say the right things. And whenever
I thought Hipel's postgame speech was awesome, right awesome, because
(22:21):
he talked about all the things and it didn't It's
not that you know, it wasn't about It was never
about me. But I do appreciate you whinning it for me.
And then the guys gave him the game ball. We'll
get to that upcoming. I mean that, like, look, we're
all human beings, and when some place that's special to
you tells you your services are no longer needed, that
(22:45):
one hurts bad. And then to lead another parallel football
program in and to beat their tails. That feels really good.
Feels really good. Let's welcome in TJ. Huschman Zada, who
joins us now on the Doug Gottlib Show on Fox
Sport Trade. You can hear a up on game on
Saturdays here on Fox Sports Trader Plus download the podcast.
(23:06):
Let's start with the Chiefs. How do you explain how
beatable they look and yet how unbeatable they seem to
be at the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
I mean, the Chiefs are a good teams and when
you're a good team, and that's what happens, you show
some vulnerability, but ultimately you're always gonna find a way
to win. And I mean we talked about this after
they beat the Bengals. They get calls to go in
their favor, but when you're a good team, you get
those calls you get I mean, that was passing appearance
(23:40):
in the end zone that would have given the Falcons
first and goal from the one yard line. Do you
think they scored? But then the Chiefs would have had
time to probably go down and score, which.
Speaker 9 (23:50):
They probably would have.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
And so the Chiefs, they just make plays when it's needed.
It's fourth in inches, the Falcons had a chance.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
They didn't.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
That's what good team teams do. And they are such
a complete team because if it's not Mahomes an offense,
Chris Jones and that defense has shown us that they
can bring the game home as well.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Stuck Gottleeb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
let's get her on the league. Is Justin Fields good enough?
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Like?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I don't think any of us would say he's great?
Is he good enough?
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Alright, Doug, straight up and down. Justin Fields is a
prime example of being on the right team, the right fit,
the right organization. It's a prime example. He couldn't play
in Chicago. It was what is going to happen? Oh,
(24:48):
Justin Fields is a bus No, Justin Field's development in Chicago.
So you got to get Mike Tomlin, Arthur Smith and
the Pits Firth Stevens organization at Son of Credit. He's
a quarterback. I know Russell's hurt, and I know they
waiting on Russell.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I don't think they're waiting. I don't think they're waiting
on Russell for one second.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
No, you know what you know what needs to happen
is Mike Tomlin should just tell Justin Fields and that
team he's a starting quarterback. He'll play better knowing that.
But Justin Fields, man that his story? Now is it
just you got to get a Steelers a ton of
(25:27):
credit for this.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Okay, let's go kind of around around the league. Is
as we continue to look at you know, three weeks
into the season, how do you explain the Carolina Panthers
inserting Andy Dalton in putting thirty six up on the Raiders. Raiders, Now,
by the way, talking about a quarterback change, how do
you explain though Carolina, Andy Dalton good player for a
(25:54):
long time. I know, obviously quarterback with the Bengals, but
the dramatic change in their outcome, Uh.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
That is a.
Speaker 9 (26:04):
Really really.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Crazy How well Andy Dalton played not surprising though Andy
Dalton has always been a pretty good quarterback. But to
see Bryce struggle so much and then Andy Dalton you
do that on a Raiders defense like the Raiders is they're.
Speaker 9 (26:26):
Not just a average like they're one of the better
defenses at least I thought in the league to rush
the passers good on the back end, and so, man,
Andy Dalton was phenomenal, But it is an indictment on
Bryce because he could barely throw for one hundred yards
and Andy.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Dalton threw for three hundred.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
I think Bryce needs.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
To change of scenery. It's confidence even after that, it's
hard like anytime you fail, we all lose our common dog.
But when you see somebody go in there and play
at that level and they win, that has to be
a blow to where you say, man, am I that bad?
(27:12):
And so I think he needs to get up out
of there. If they're smart, does just trade them, cut
their losses and move forward.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
That's the voice to te j Just just Benzada for a
Pro Bowl wide receiver. He's join us in the Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What about the
Raiders a short time ago, you know, they had a
press conference and I thought it was interesting, right, I
guess that you know, you got a young head coach
comes up and says not ruling out a quarterback change,
(27:42):
which means there's going to be a quarterback change. Does
Aidan O'Connell change the Raiders at all?
Speaker 5 (27:48):
I'm not too certain of that. You know, Minshew is
going to be a guy at he can create time
in a pocket with his legs. He's not really running
the ball, but he's gonna scramble around to find guys
open and throw as A and O'Connell. He's your prototypical
early two thousand's pocket passer. And the Raiders last time,
(28:08):
I say, I don't believe their old line is the greatest,
and so you're gonna put quote unquote almost a statue
back there, the old line better, black better. They didn't
lose that game yesterday because of Gardner Minshew. They lost
that game because the defense didn't play how many thought
they would play, how I thought they would play. But
(28:30):
when you do say that, you're right, Doug, we're considering
it's probably gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, it's not probably, it is gonna happen. Malik Naghbors
makes two touchdown grabs. One was just absolutely spectacular. How
do we look now at uh at Danny Dimes?
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Hey, Daniel Jones played well. I was watching some of
that game. Man. He played well. He really did. But
I'm a really big believer in Brian Dave was a
head coach.
Speaker 9 (29:00):
Man.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
This dude is so underrated as a coach because of
the deficiencies of Daniel Jones at times and his accuracy problems.
But when Daniel Jones is playing on time for the
most part, being accurate, the way Dabele can design and
scheme guys open and schemap plays that defense. I thought
(29:24):
the defense played very well that d line. I mean
it was pressure the whole game and so but Daniel
Jones played well. When league neighbors, then its somebody's LSU receivers. Man,
they come in the league and they just hit the
ground rolling ready to go.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, they definitely do. Jerry Jones said, Hey, we didn't
have the money to get Derrick Henry. Derek Henry signed
one year, eight million dollars. Instead, of course he went
out and got Zeke for the league minimum. Granted he
had Tony Pollard, and you know, Derrick Henry's a different dude.
What are your thoughts on what's happened to the Dallas
(30:03):
Cowboys in recent weeks.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
I said before the season started the Dallas Cowboys were
going to start one and two. I really I thought
they would lose to Cleveland, read the Saints, and lose
to the Ravens. Obviously I was wrong with the first two,
but I mean, he had the money to pay Derek Henry.
They didn't want Derek Henry.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
Just say it.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
You had the money to pay them, we didn't want them.
We didn't get helpless.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
Just be honest.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
But when you you know, the Cowboys knew they were
going to pay Dak Prescott. And when you pay a
quarterback to amount of money that Dak is being paid,
the game is going to go through him each and
every game. That's why they didn't want Derrick Henry. That's
why they didn't pay Derrick Henry. Dak being a sixty
million dollars quarterback, and he made around at it towards
(30:53):
the end of the game. You know, it got real interesting.
Speaker 9 (30:56):
But Dak, the game.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Has to be on his shoulders each and every time
because that's the contract that you want, that's the contract
that you have. Uh, you gotta go get it.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
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with var Arrington and Plexica Burst every Saturday on Fox
Sports Radio. You can find it where you find any podcast.
Who's your the best man? Appreciate you join us?
Speaker 5 (31:18):
You the best man. I'm out here in Cincinnati getting
ready to go to the game, baby.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
As a fan you and as a fan, yeah, I
mean what else.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
Am I going? Isn't I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Where are you going to sing?
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Oh, I'm sitting in the suite, and sweet sitting in
the box. I'm sitting in the box. I'm just you know,
over here talking with some of my commanders. I'm friends here,
people in the front office and coaches and stuff. Just
talking to them.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Bro, we'll talk. We'll catch up soon. Thanks sir.
Speaker 10 (31:46):
Take care to be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern
noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Doug Gotleib Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to you from
the tyreg dot com studios. Let's get to a game.
Speaker 10 (32:07):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Dan Buyer, what do you got, Doug?
Speaker 10 (32:18):
The game today is big deal, little deal, no deed?
Speaker 4 (32:23):
All right, big deal, little deal or no deal. This
is a game situation.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
So the Cowboys that were just recovering an on side
kick and they've gotten within ten of the Ravens with
ten minutes left, they're excuse me, with seven minutes left
in their game?
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Big deal, little deal or no deal?
Speaker 7 (32:37):
That the Cowboys tried to kick an on side kick
again again seven minutes left down ten Big deal that
the Cowboys went back to back on sidekicks feels like.
Speaker 10 (32:48):
A big deal.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
It's just a weird thing to be in a stadium,
and the on side kick is the ultimate sneak attack,
and now you have to tell people are going to
be on sidekick. Very it's just weird.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
And the chances the chances as well of getting one,
and then you do, and then you think, hey, it's
probably gonna happen again.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
No it's not.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
I thought it was a bad coaching decision by the Cowboys.
I know they have a lot of problems, all right,
big deal, little dealer, no deal, Doug that raiders said.
Coach Antonio Pierce said some players made business decisions and
yesterday's lost to the Panthers.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Huge, huge deal, huge deal. I think they got all kinds.
I just I like Antonio appierst the guy. I knew
him some from our days at at working when he
was at ESPN. I don't feel like that's a this
is a winning situation. I just don't, you know, that's
(33:48):
a way of calling out guys for not you know,
for not doing the things they need to do to
win games. But it's a you know, it's like you
can be a player's coach, but the players can't run team.
This is not a democracy. It's just not you have
a vote. It's it's honestly a lot like the Green
Bay Packers, you know, with all the people saying they
(34:10):
own the team, but you don't actually have any say
in the team, nor do you collect any benefits financially
from owning the team. That's really the way it works.
As a player, like you actually get the bet, but
you don't. You can have a vote, doesn't mean it counts.
Speaker 7 (34:25):
Big deal, little dealer, No deal, Doug that Reggie Bush
is suing the NCAA, PAC twelve and USC to secure
compensation for past use of his name, image, and likeness
while he played for the Trojans.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
He'll probably win, because everybody wins when they sue the NCAA.
But I don't. This doesn't make me think any higher
of Reggie Bush. I will say this that what will
happen is it'll get exposed that he was taking money,
he knew he was taking money, he knew he wasn't
supposed to be doing it, and he's never been accountable
for it. So again he'll sue. He'll probably win. But
(35:01):
it is really interesting that you know, he's tried to
play the victim in this thing. And I look, they
were making a lot of money and they were making
it from a guy who wanted to be an agent
that they were never going to use to begin with.
So it's not like he's some victim of this of
some victim in my mind.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
So no deal will that be? Would that be a
no deal or.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
It's a no deal?
Speaker 4 (35:25):
No deal? All right?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Transparent deal, transparentodeal.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
All right?
Speaker 7 (35:30):
Big deal, little deal or no deal that some people
within the Raptors organization didn't want Vince Carter's number fifteen
to be the first player in their franchise to have
their number retired. They apparently weren't happy about the way
he left Toronto and some wanted Kyle Lowry's number to
be retired. First said, a big deal, little deal or
no deal?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Hmmmm, think you'll no deal, a little deal that they're
not going to.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Retire the number.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
They are going to retire Vince Carter's number fifteen, but
there was pushback on it. They announced it that they're
going to retire the fifteen, but some within the Raptors
and Raptors fans didn't want Vince Carter's to be the
first Jersey retired. So is that a big deal, a
little deal or no deal? That they still harbor ill
will towards Vince Carter for why he left Toronto.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Feels like a little deal. Like they pay attention, they care,
he doesn't. It was like Vince Carter went somewhere else
in win NBA Championship. He didn't. So it's a little deal.
It's a petty little deal, all right. I don't blame
them for being mad. Again, don't blame them at all,
but again, petty little deal.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
Finally, big deal, little dealer, no deal that Caitlin Clark
and the Fever were routed in Game one of their
playoff series with Connecticut ninety three sixty nine, with Clark
getting a black eye.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
In the game, that's a big deal. I mean, it
was like, this is a different level of basketball, no
matter how much statistically she dominated late in the year. Playoffs,
it was like a Kobe's first playoff type deal. That's
that's that's a great parallel, and that's game time.
Speaker 10 (37:07):
This is game time on the Dog Godliep Show.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Me next to the Doug Gotlieb Show, Live from the
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