May 28, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug explains how the Boston Celtics got to the NBA Finals and what the expectations have been for this Celtics' team. Doug talks about what Tom Brady is in for as a broadcaster. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about the NFL's new practice schedules, the receiver market and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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It's the way tire buying should be welcome in. You know, uh,
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a lot of different stuff going on this weekend. Obviously,
you have a tragedy in golf. The Major League season
was helped out a little bump with Angel or Nandez everybody
do the finger quotes. Retired, retired, And then we have
the NBA, which we're creeping closer and closer, and maybe
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maybe tonight, maybe tonight, you will end up having two
teams that we know will play for an NBA championship,
but we know one team that will play to be
the Boston Celtics second time in three years they get
to the NBA Finals, and I think that's important. I
understand that we hold them in some sort of unrealistic
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regard that anything less than a championship is a disappointment
for the Celtics, not because they've won it before, but because, well,
they had the best record. They've been to the finals before,
and even prior to getting to the NBA Finals, they've
been in the Eastern Conference finals. Like the Celtics have
been consistently atop the Eastern Conference for the last decade.
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But it's weird. It's really weird how we make it
make it so we make it that way, you know,
like look around in the NBA and you tell me
a franchise that has been as consistently competitive in the
playoffs as the Boston Celtics. Can't find one. And getting
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to his second NBA Finals in three years is huge
because the first time didn't feel like they're ready for it.
Might have been a year early. And we see this
a lot with the Eastern Conference finals. Atlanta's gotten to one.
We've had other teams get to where they get to
the conference finals and you think they're better than they
actually are but the NBA Finals, we saw the Thunder
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get to one, but then they traded Harden and we
haven't seen them get to one since. For this team,
the expectations was for them to return. Now they've lived
up to those expectations. Here's Jalen Here's the Celtics head
coach on Jalen Brown's growth.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Credit to him. He has a growth mindset, so he's
never afraid to work on the weakness. He's never afraid
to go after something that makes him Monk comfortable and
between him and Tony and the player development staff like
they put him in any and every situation possible.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
H Here's Jalen Brown, who of course won the Eastern
Conference Finals MVP. On that award.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I wasn't expecting that at all. You know, all never win,
so I was just happy that we want and give
credit to Indiana. You know, they they played as tough.
I know, like people think that Indiana wasn't a good
team or whatever the case mean. I mean, I thought
they were tough as anybody we played all season.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, I think what happens is you don't have Tyre's
Halbert in the last two games, and look they've been depleted,
and the Pacers wouldn't have gotten the unless the competition
they played were depleted. But you know, you don't have
Tyrius Halburton. And though they were wounded and they were fighting,
the big thing is the Pacers led in the fourth quarter,
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led late in the game, in the fourth quarter in
all four of the games. So a lot of this
is based upon your expectations. Right, If your expectations are
that if your expectations were that the Boston Celtics were
the best team in the NBA and that they because
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Indiana was depleted, they had to stomp out the Pacers,
well you might have been disappointed by the path to
that four to h series sweep. But if your expectations
were just, hey, here's two good teams in the Eastern
Conference and one team won four games a row, you
would come out and said, hey, Boston Celtics looked pretty good.
It's all completely based upon because how whatever your perspective
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is on the Celtics, Cleveland pushed him to the max, right,
and then Cleveland broke down and had injuries. Indy was
pushing then in the max, and then Indy had injuries.
So if your expectations aren't Hey, they're just so much
better than the competition. Yeah, I'd say they're a little disappointing,
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but they also haven't had prazingis they haven't been healthy
in their own right, and just winning any games in
this tournament is really really hard. One time the NBA Finals,
Jason Tatum doesn't play well. It's he's young, it's his
first time. We grant you a bit of a pass.
Two times you get labeled. That's what's really at stake
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here for this team. One time they could have guys
in Brown and Tatum especially that didn't play well against
the Golden State Warriors. But two times it's a different story.
And as we get ready to watch Luca and Kyrie
very very likely win tonight, I just again I've been
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telling you guys, I think that Luca is the best
player on earth. He had a step back over and
outstretched armed Rudy Gobert, which, by the way, somehow now
has become bad defense. Like, yeah, I would have double
teamed him as soon as he gets the ball. When
get the ball out of his hands, make somebody else
beat you. As basketball one oh one is when Luka
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Donca gets the ball, double team him, makes somebody else
beat you, and if he gets it back again, double
team him again. They chose not to do so. Go
Beart's defense wasn't Batty's seven feet tall. His hand was up.
It's just a great shot. But I do think that
there's an immense amount of pressure here on Tatum, that
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the Celtics though they're gonna get healthy, and that the
presumption is that prezingis plays. He hasn't played, and there
has to be at least looming. The last time they
were in the NBA final, station Tam didn't play well.
And if you don't do it for two consecutive or
the two consecutive NBA finals you're in, you start to
earn a label you just do.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
So.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I don't know, like I I I get. I get
that you could take go bear out. It was a
time out, they had the ball in. I don't understand
why you win double team, Just double team. They said,
a little ball stream you switch, and I know that
side was cleared, but just make somebody else like sport
one O one, you know, take away when somebody else
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does best. Did you not know a step back was
coming from Luka Donzik? I don't know, buyer am I
crazy here, like that's the easy solution here. And you know,
obviously I understand you're listening at home and you're driving.
You're like, oh, here's a guy who's coaching and he's
never coached a game yet in college basketball, and he's
telling you know, he's telling a really talented NBA head
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coach what he should do. No, I'm just taking was
sports one oh one, Like, who'd you think was gonna
take the game when he shot?
Speaker 5 (07:55):
I think we all knew him at that point, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I don't. I don't. That's the part of it that
I don't understand. It's not that because the people that
are crushing Gobert defensively, I didn't think he looked particularly bad. Yes,
it looks like his legs are getting all tangled up,
but he recovered, he had a hand up. That's just
a great shot. But why is he even being able
to make that shot? And said, make somebody else speach you?
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I don't know. And then there's the whole do you
enjoy Luca thing? Because he does complain a ton, But
I think people are starting to buy into Luca because
they like a little trash talk and his reaction. Although
he said it was in Slovenian. Sure looked like he
was talking some ish when he hit that game winner.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
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Speaker 2 (08:53):
I didn't tell you guys this. I went to my
first death metal concert this weekend. No, I'm serious. I
went to a death metal concert. My daughter Grace, as
you guys know, a talented bass guitarist and she'll be
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enrolling in the Berkeley School of Music in Boston, Massachusetts
this fall. She loves this band called River of Nile
and they're from They're from Pennsylvania, and like you know,
the traditional death metal is like the singing, the kind
of screaming and whatever. But they they have saxophone in there,
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they have other instruments in there. It's kind of like
a unique cornucopia of sounds if you will, to go
along with the traditional and kind of non traditional death metal.
But it was it was like four bands House of blues.
Let me tell you, people watching was amazing, amazing, and
I understand every different genre of It's like country concerts
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in southern California, Like, okay, that that cowboy hat's not
really a cowboy. That's a prop. That's not really a
cowboy hat. Right, But that was It was fantastic, fantastic
and the band was pretty good. Liked him. John middlecalfeall
joined us in a second.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Tom Brady the Goat was on with with Colin Coward
yesterday and he was asked by Colin about his approach
to broadcasting. Take a listen.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
There are definitely parts of me that are hyper competitive,
and certainly they were as a player and as an athlete.
I love that competition. I relished that competition daily. I
didn't get if it was practice, if it was a game,
if it was ping pong, if we were playing trashketball
in the in the locker room, I wanted to win.
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There's other parts where I feel like I've matured a
little bit and I don't necessarily have to be absolutely
competitive and everything.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
It's a little more selective.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
I think if I want to put effort into something,
then I'll be naturally I'll be more competitive at it
because I'll invest it a little bit of my time,
a little bit of my energy into it. Certainly with
the broadcaster. I don't think for me it's about competition.
I think it's for me it's about did I put
everything I could into it? And I did I give
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the fans everything that they tuned in for? And that's
really how I end up gauging myself. And I'll have
to look at myself at the end of every Sunday
night going did I.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Do a good enough job?
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Did I live up to the belief that Fox had
in me? Did I live up to the expectations of
my teammates Kevin Burkhart and Aaron and Tom and Richie's
Ions and rich Russo in our entire truck, the entire team.
That's that's ultimately how I judge myself in that new role.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
That sounds really good. Here's the problem with broadcasting. When
you're a really really competitive person, there are no more
wins and no more losses. It is simply perception. And
if you search you know Twitter, you're going to get
the same ratio you think you know. People who didn't
like you before really not gonna like you. People who
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like you're going to give you a pass. Your bosses
are all going to say how amazing you are and
what you need is somebody who's really neutral, who doesn't
gain anything or lose anything from giving you feedback to
help you. But I've told people coaches all the time
ask me, you know about broadcasting, and I was like, look,
if you don't want to do it again, if you
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don't want to coach again, don't broadcast games live, because
when you do, inevitably the competitive juices start going. I mean, look,
I could just tell you for how many years I've
sat there and watched games, and you know, you agonize
for coaches on the losing side. The other hand, there's
a good portion of you. It's like, man, I like
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to be in that locker room even after loss and
figure out how to fix things, figure out how to
fix things like a math problem to it. So yeah,
I mean it sounds good that I'm just I'm gonna
give him the best that I have. If I give
my teammates the best that that's great. Here's the thing, Tom,
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pretty obvious you're starting off with a net negative because
Greg Olsen, who's a virtual no name in comparison to
Tom Brady, was great, and through no fault of your own,
you've come in and kind of big dog dom Okay,
there will be people inevitably that don't like Tom Brady
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because of Tom Brady the football player. Most people will
give him a pass. On the other hand, they'll question
how hard he works because there's been other star quarterbacks
who have been that same position have been great. There's
no reason he can't be really, really good. But it
also takes time. You can't go from watching playing games
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to doing it and just be great overnight. You can
be really good. I mean, Tony Romo is really good
right away, but Tony Romo hasn't improved, and so the
fact that he's kind of doing the same stick with
less connectivity to the teams, not knowing as much of
what teams do. The further he gets away from it,
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it's worn a little thin on people. For Brady, it's
just about doing the job and getting better, but understanding
there are no more wins, no more losses. You actually
you can still compete, but you're competing and chasing some
invisible thing. When you get done, you put down the
headset inevitable you're Tom Brady. Everyone's gonna say how great
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you are. Find somebody that tells you that can really
listen and give you feedback that that's actually my what
I would till top Doug Gotlib show here on Fox
Swartz Radio. I actually like the NFL adjustment there, you know,
And again tell me if I'm reading this wrong or
ingesting this wrong Dan as it's been proposed. It's like, hey,
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we don't need these OTA stuff like let's let's get
rid of that. Let's have real workouts, just longer ramp up,
not a ton of hours, so that you don't go
from zero to one hundred.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Yes, and this was a similar format was used during COVID. Yeah,
and they said that it worked really well and that
could be a reason that we could see a change
as soon as next season.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
It's interesting you bring up during COVID, like now we're
in a dead period and recruiting, but just like during COVID,
we can still face to face people just zoom right
there are like, look, there's a lot of COVID that
a lot of things that happened during COVID that aren't great.
I do think the time of your family, the fact
that we didn't have anything on TV, you know, outside
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of the Jordan documentary, right the Last Dance. But the
ramp up is a good one is a really really
good one. Huh. Let's welcome in. John Middlecoff Three and
Out is the podcast on the Volume podcast network. He
joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. What do you think of this proposed change
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to the offseason where you eliminate the those OTAs and
maybe even the rookie camps and then you just have
a longer like start to ramp up towards training camp
in June.
Speaker 8 (16:13):
Yeah, my question would be the coaches and the gms
and the front offices. You know, there's such a routine.
You know, your coach now creatures a habit routine. The
forty plus day kind of break that they get has
been pretty consistent over the fourth of July month. Now,
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could you do something where you have like quality control
guys there and you're just kind of easing them in.
But my initial reaction when I saw the proposed date
change was immediate pushback from that side.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, because it throws everything off. I get it, I
do get it. When do you when do those coaches?
When do they have their break?
Speaker 8 (16:59):
You know, I would imagine most teams have two max
three weeks left of OTA, so usually get out of
there around give or take June early June twenties and
come back, you know. I mean the head coach probably
comes back July twentieth. The most other guys, you know,
the assistant coaches in front office around July twenty second,
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July twenty third.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, I mean, but it's also you.
Speaker 8 (17:27):
Know, kind of giving your young guys information. The other
thing is this, it hints like Bill ourselves, you know,
Buddy Ryan practices. You go to these practices. It is
all time nothing, so it's mainly just to get the
mental reps and the cohesion of the guy. It's pretty easy.
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I mean a lot of these guys are playing golf
every afternoon, the players and coaches, and they're going to
games at night. It's it's not hitting. I mean, there's
definitely no path. They're not even doing team really. So
I think that we've overstated, you know, I thought we
got a little aggressive with the getting rid of practices.
I don't even think this is necessary, to be honest
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with you.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Which part is that I say the.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
Changing, Well, I think these coaches now understand that you're
not going to ask all these rookies. They're easing in
these first couple of weeks. It's more just like getting
cardio and learning the verbiage than it is intense practice
like training camp. So I actually don't think it's very
difficult for young guys now if their pushback is it
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gives a better chance for you know, certain guys, but
I don't know if it would change much that way,
Like the reps are kind of going to be the
reps for young players where you're slotted where you're drafted.
But I don't think it's very strenuous on the new
That's what this is for, right, that the new class
of guys, right makes it easier on them essentially.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, yeah, well, yes, that's what the break now. I
think I think the ramp up is for the veteran guys,
and I think it's all this this, hey, how do
we eliminate all these injuries? And you know, it's like
you talked to lots of guys, like, you know, football
players need to play football in order to get ready
for playing football, and the ramp up things sounds good.
(19:22):
Maybe it cuts down the soft tissue stuff, but you're
still going to run into They don't hit each other
until they get in the season and then when they
hit each other and they haven't built up kind of
that layer of protection from being hit. They don't, they
don't react as well.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
Well, I know this, the most physical training camp, even
with the new rules is by far Andy Reid. I
would imagine I've never been around the Ravens, but they're
right up there. I know the Niners are well, who
are the most physical teams in the league. Right, And
a lot of these teams now go the opposite way,
like Dustin you know Poer or Connor McGregor doesn't just
hop in the octagon on fight nights. Right, You've got
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to develop the callucis. And it's really really difficult with
and I understand the no double days, but some of
these coaches, and we have a lot of young coaches
that I get it because the money you're paying and
you're so dependent on three or four players, are kind
of practice scared. And listen, when I scouted, I was
always scared with injuries. But like Andy Reid, Kyle Genahan,
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they don't think like that. John Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh. Right,
So you've got to develop those callouses because the games,
you know, the preseason games are now with joke, if
they started the trends, most people follow them, and basically,
you show up September whatever, the date is, eight pence eleventh,
and that game is unlike anything you've done for the
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last forty days. But I don't see what would change
with the NFLPA ramp up because it wouldn't include more tackling.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
No, I think it would be including more cardio and
more ramp up. And I agree with you, and we're
all trying to deal with the fact that whether it's
player empowerment or or you know, the search for ways
to play without making having concussions, and to protect these players,
you do have to hit each other before the season begins,
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because the second you get hit for the first time,
your body just it just reacts poorly to it, you know.
Speaker 8 (21:20):
And I also think the modern day athletes, and I
would say in all sports, you go to golf, you
go to baseball, you go to basketball. From a young age,
like they kind of train pretty consistently, and these pro
athletes take It's not like, you know, the player Fred
Warner in the off season is drinking beer and smoking
cigarettes and he's like, I mean to use training camp
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like the nineteen sixties to get in shape like those
days are kind of done. So I think most veterans
for the most parts show up, I mean pretty ready
to go. They pay a lot of money to get
training in the off season. I mean maybe July fourth
weekend the hangout, But for the most part, it's not
like they're taking you know, a lot of time off
with lifting and training like cardio shape. Obviously, to get
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ready for the football game, you got to do some practice,
but they're not just sitting around like the average guy
for forty days and just hanging out.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
No. No. But the other issue is, and you kind
of got to it, is we have and like basketball,
the issue is that all these guys now nobody plays basketball.
They all do individual workouts, right, which is great because
the skill with dribbling the basketball through cones and the
variety of finishing shots on stuff. But you have to
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know when to do what and the angles are different
when you play. It's just different when there's nine other
bodies out there on the court. And I think the
same is true for football. It's like all that stuff
is great. I've seen t. J. Hushman's out of work
with wide receivers and the technique and the skill, how
it's refined, is awesome, and you can tell. You could
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sit there without name tags and watch him and sit
next to him and go like, oh, now that guy
must be good. Yes, you can tell why he's good.
But it's totally different when there's when there's twenty one
other guys out of the field the field.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
And think about the NBA and two best players are
yokichen Luka and they don't have muscles, they can barely jump,
but they just look like they need to play. And
all they do is play basketball. They're not doing all
the other stuff. They just put them on a court.
They know how to play. And I think football is
unique because like in basketball, you can play one on
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one right in baseball, baseball is kind of an individual
sport in a team game, sure, but football football is
a lot closer like basketball. We're like, unless the pads
are on, it's not even the same sport. Unless you're
playing five on five, it's not what you're actually doing.
So it's yes, it does help work on the individual technique,
but the most important part of practice. You've been going
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to training camps for years is the team, right, is
when they get in team because that's actual football that's
played when you play the games, which in that sport,
you just don't play that many games, right, You practice
so much, So it's it's unique. It's why the old
school coaches, to their dying days will say the importance
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of double days, you know, to work on the team
chemistry and the team toughness. You can't you can't fake that.
And the only way you get that is in training
camp when it's hot and you don't want to practice,
and you just go out there.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
And you hit. Yeah, I'm I'm still fascinated this. This
appears to be the only season where we don't have
a quarterback or a star player. I mean maybe Brandon
Nyuk tries to hold the Niners hostage, but we don't
have the the hostage taking. It feels like this offseason.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
Yeah, I think these receivers, you know, the numbers, not
quite quarterback numbers, but like five years ago quarterback numbers.
So I saw to day a headline Jamar Chase and
T Higgins not there. Ceedee, Lamb's not going to go there.
Brand Nyuk. I mean, all these guys are thinking thirty
five Hell I me justin Jefferson, he saw that story.
I'm sure that they thought about if they could trade
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up and get Elik Neighbors, that they would trade him.
And I think it kind of becomes an economic equation
of even when the CAP's going up, paying these wide receivers.
But I'm with you. I think most of these star
players know now like they're gonna get their money. But
I think once you get to the Brandon, iuk T Higgins,
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like Jamar Jay, he's gonna get paid. Justin Jefferson, someone's
gonna pay him. I think with Iu is an interesting case,
like you know the Niners are not going to have
one hundred. He's gonna go, well, I'm just as good
as a mon Row Saint Brown. It's like, well, maybe
you are Brandon, but he's catching one hundred and twenty
balls a year. You catch seventy five. So is the
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value to me? No one offered us a super high pick, right,
or you probably would have been traded. Now we can
debate whether that's a smart move or not, but the
value around the league's not there. And then the value
to us, like you're a valuable player at like twenty
four million dollars, but it's thirty plus. You know, we're
never gonna throw the ball enough to you. It's why
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the one curveball dug is McCaffrey, because you know it's like, well,
he's the highest paid running back in the league. Well, yeah,
based on his tip entire contract in actual money this
year he makes under twelve million dollars. And he goes, well, Kyle,
you you ride me, not just in the run game,
but in the past game. I catch almost as many
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passes as brand AYUK And you're gonna you'd be willing
to pay him twenty five plus million? What am I worset?
I am definitely. And it's like, with this huge signing bonus,
you guys didn't give me that the Panthers did, so
I could see that's something to keep an eye on.
Just do they just give him like kind of a
little raise like the Raiders did with Max Crosby. Probably
the right move, but you know, you get twenty seven
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It's a tough conundrum because you're like running backs, hold guys. Now.
The one thing I will say, seeing him live a
couple of years ago in camp, he clearly I think
changed his body in his training habits with some of
his injuries, and he's been pretty durable with the Niners.
He hasn't missed a game, but that one's gonna be
because then I was like, oh, we got him on
a great team friendly deal. And if youre McCaffery, you're like,
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I kind of need more money to keep taking this
pounding every week.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You know a couple of things that happened of the weekend.
John Mintocoff's our guest to announced the podcast. He also
hosts a Going Low podcast on the volume, which of
course is about golf. And you have Grayson Murray dying
and it goes from the story kind of changes and
he felt like everyone inside the golf world had some
sense of what really happened. But he withdrew due to illness,
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and then the next day he dies, and you know,
I'm thinking like, well, what was the illness? And then
the more it goes on, you hear about some of
his demons, how he had stopped drinking. It just I mean,
really sad. But goh, what a what a weird sad
weekend for golf.
Speaker 8 (27:53):
Yeah, I mean I was thinking about it today, Like
the most relatable thing is, you know, whether it's we're
not going through it. We all have people that we've
known throughout our life, whether it's when we're young, people
our parents know or as we get older, people were
associated with that battle these demons and it's just I've
known people you just can't shake it. And the Grayson
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thing was definitely weird, like the illness and it is
clearly like you know, he just he was going through
some stuff and it got to him. And the crazy
thing is he had won this year at the Sony Open,
he had finished top ten a couple of weeks ago
when Rory won, like he was playing at a really,
really high level. And it just shows you, I mean it,
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you just get these these things inside you that you
can't overcome. And I was watching the broadcast on Saturday
and Peter Malnaughty, who won actually earlier this week, played
with them on Thursday and Friday and golf, you know,
it's it's a unique sport where it's like, oh, it's
the guy on another team, right, you don't know that well.
(28:57):
And everyone knows each other cause you're bound if you
play long enough to play with everyone over the course
of a weekend, throughout the season, and you see him
on the range. A lot of people, all their caddies
know each other. You could see it. I mean when
Peter Mault naughty and Web Simpson, who has known him
since he was eight years old, like you get to
you know all these parents. It's Scotty Scheffer talked after yesterday,
(29:20):
He's like, the guy was over at my Airbnb two
weeks ago having dinner. It's just it's it's a powerful
thing because you're around him and then all of a
sudden he's gone, and then obviously the way his parents
put it out that he committed suicide. It's just it's
got to be feel very personal for all these guys,
and it's just pretty gut wrenching because, like I said,
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I think there's there's a lot of relatability. Maybe not
you don't know someone who committed suicide, but people that
have got to the brink and you've seen it ruin
people's lives and marriages and families. It's just awful. I mean,
it's just it's I don't know him personally, and I
felt hurt inside.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, I mean we've talked a lot on this show.
You know, I've suffered through some battles with depression. Jay
stew has talked about his own, never to that level,
but gosh and it's such a hard sport. It's such
a hard sport because you're just left there to your
own devices, right, Like you can just sit there and
(30:22):
mutter to yourself and walk and then you know, you
just got to keep going and keep playing. But I feel,
I mean, just an entire sport shaken by that news. John,
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Speaker 2 (31:02):
It's Doug gott Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in Hope.
You had a great and RESTful Memorial Day weekend. Yeah,
I mean, so summer's here, right, That's that's basically we
get to but we don't take massive breaks in summer.
We don't push off stories and start doing you know,
(31:22):
grab you know what radio. We stick with all the
important stuff. Matter of fact, we stick with every day.
At this time, we turned over Dan Byer and play
a game.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
This is game time on the Doug Gottleab Show.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Doug Gotlap Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to you from
the tyraq dot com studios. Dan, what's the game today, Doug?
Speaker 5 (31:47):
The game today is.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Rank them?
Speaker 5 (31:50):
All right?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
What is that? What's that? What's the chuckle?
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Because Sam and my air goes, you're up? And then
when I spoke, I wasn't up. I was not, but
we didn't know. The listener never would have none. Correct, correct,
But that's why I chuckled, all right, Doug Rake, the
top three players in the NBA playoffs so far this.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Year, they have to still be in the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
They don't have to be, but it's more of like
of not like who we think is the best in
the NBA. Who've been the best three players in these playoffs?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Okay, I put Jalen Brunson at three. I mean he
has been amazing. I mean, honestly, I'm gonna put Anthony Well,
I'm gonna put Anthony Edwards at two. I know he
hasn't been dominant in this series, but we can't diminish
what he's done in the playoffs before the series, right,
(32:44):
Like again, I wasn't buying into the whole Jordan thing,
but that was the discussion a lot of people were having,
was like, is he he's twenty two, Like he's kind
of got a little Jordan to him. And then Luca's
number one.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Okay, Luca Ant and Jalen Brunson. All Right, Doug, rank
your three favorite series of these playoffs so far? That
series that we've had, best series, so just to recap,
(33:15):
Obviously we had Celtics Pacers and t Wolves MAVs, but.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
We had Nick Pacers was amazing.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Yep, Nicks Pacers was good. Celtics Calves was kind of whatever.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
It's good up until Donovan Mitchell got hurt, than it
was whatever.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Right, Yeah, it ended in five, So.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
The six I missed my I think that was six.
I could be wrong anyway, Go go ahead, but I was.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Bucks Bucks Pacers is I'm safely saying that that is not.
But I was gonna say Nuggets Wolves in the seven
game series and then uh Oklahoma City and the Mavericks
Ye Lakers, Nuggets was was interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I would say the best series to date was that
Ugets Timberwolves. Yep, that would be one. So I'm gonna
usually we work three to three to one, I'm gonna
work one to three. I think that. I think the
Oklahoma City Maverick series was great. I'm gonna put that
one in two. And then I'm gonna say that Pacers Knicks,
(34:21):
even though the Knicks were so depleted at the end,
just the energy in those two buildings was incredible, and
then the Knicks just they fell apart so that they couldn't.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Do it all right, Doug, rank your three favorite Boston
Celtics all time.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yes, John Havelcheck, my dad was a walk on on
those Ohio State teams with Bob Knight and Jerry Lucas
and John Havelchek. So John Havelcheck at three, Hondo at three, Wow,
(34:56):
so hard, so difficult? Uh favorite?
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Like do you put Din Raja at one? Do you
put d Brown at one?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I mean it's really Paul Pierce, or do you do
Kevin McHale or whatever? I mean, you could say Bill Russell,
but but I.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Mean Kevin McHale for me is number one, based solely
on his Cheers appearances.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Well, plus remember he used to get caught eating hot
dogs on the bench sometimes. I mean he was he
was a colorful dude. I'll go Kevin McHale at two
and then i'll go Larry Bird at one.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
All right, Doug, rank your three favorite tennis surfaces. Play grass.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Never played on grass, so to watch her to play
because I do play tennis all love.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Yeah, Well, if you haven't played on grass, I think
it's gonna be hard to rank it. So then let's
just let's do on. Do you do you prefer Wimbledon?
Do you prefer French Open? Do you prefer I prefer?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I would say three two one French Wimbledon? Heard hard, Yeah,
Clay grass hardcourt, hardcore being one, clay being three. Although
the clay stuff always looks like they're sliding around. There's
long rallies, but they're always dominated by the Spaniards, you know. Always.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
I love when when there's a ball out of bounds
and on clay you can visibly see the mark, like
here it is, this is, this is your.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Cyclops is like the greatest. How is that their replay
is so tennis replay is so much better than every
other replay.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Yes, because it also provides drama. Yes, like there's the
lead up in the zoom in and then slowly like
hat all right, final one off of the three day
weekend that we had a best beverages to have in
a backyard cooler, Like when you go over to someone's house,
(36:54):
they're like, hey, drinks are on the coolers in the back.
What do you love? Nice lace Bruski.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, I mean you have to have beer in there,
beers wont one, Okay, some sort of high nowony is two,
and I think you gotta have like a little chilled
white wine, little a little shard. All right, well shart
at three, So Chardonnay to high noon to beer and
I'm gonna I'm gonna whisper this because I'm I live
in Wisconsin. Now I like Mexican beer. That's my that's
(37:23):
my jam. Uh. By the way, did you know that
we have our own logger here at at Dream Bay.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
No? I didn't.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I do. I'm gonna have to send you guys a case.
I'm not an I P A guy. I can't do
the I P A thing.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
Sorry, that's game time.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
This is game time on the Gottlief Show.
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It's the way tire buying should be welcome in. You know, uh,
(00:40):
a lot of different stuff going on this weekend. Obviously,
you have a tragedy in golf. The Major League season
was helped out a little bump with Angel or Nandez everybody
do the finger quotes. Retired, retired, And then we have
the NBA, which we're creeping closer and closer, and maybe
(01:04):
maybe tonight, maybe tonight, you will end up having two
teams that we know will play for an NBA championship,
but we know one team that will play to be
the Boston Celtics second time in three years they get
to the NBA Finals, and I think that's important. I
understand that we hold them in some sort of unrealistic
(01:27):
regard that anything less than a championship is a disappointment
for the Celtics, not because they've won it before, but because, well,
they had the best record. They've been to the finals before,
and even prior to getting to the NBA Finals, they've
been in the Eastern Conference finals. Like the Celtics have
been consistently atop the Eastern Conference for the last decade.
(01:50):
But it's weird. It's really weird how we make it
make it so we make it that way, you know,
like look around in the NBA and you tell me
a franchise that has been as consistently competitive in the
playoffs as the Boston Celtics. Can't find one. And getting
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to his second NBA Finals in three years is huge
because the first time didn't feel like they're ready for it.
Might have been a year early. And we see this
a lot with the Eastern Conference finals. Atlanta's gotten to one.
We've had other teams get to where they get to
the conference finals and you think they're better than they
actually are but the NBA Finals, we saw the Thunder
(02:35):
get to one, but then they traded Harden and we
haven't seen them get to one since. For this team,
the expectations was for them to return. Now they've lived
up to those expectations. Here's Jalen Here's the Celtics head
coach on Jalen Brown's growth.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Credit to him. He has a growth mindset, so he's
never afraid to work on the weakness. He's never afraid
to go after something that makes him Monk comfortable and
between him and Tony and the player development staff like
they put him in any and every situation possible.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
H Here's Jalen Brown, who of course won the Eastern
Conference Finals MVP. On that award.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I wasn't expecting that at all. You know, all never win,
so I was just happy that we want and give
credit to Indiana. You know, they they played as tough.
I know, like people think that Indiana wasn't a good
team or whatever the case mean. I mean, I thought
they were tough as anybody we played all season.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, I think what happens is you don't have Tyre's
Halbert in the last two games, and look they've been depleted,
and the Pacers wouldn't have gotten the unless the competition
they played were depleted. But you know, you don't have
Tyrius Halburton. And though they were wounded and they were fighting,
the big thing is the Pacers led in the fourth quarter,
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led late in the game, in the fourth quarter in
all four of the games. So a lot of this
is based upon your expectations. Right, If your expectations are
that if your expectations were that the Boston Celtics were
the best team in the NBA and that they because
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Indiana was depleted, they had to stomp out the Pacers,
well you might have been disappointed by the path to
that four to h series sweep. But if your expectations
were just, hey, here's two good teams in the Eastern
Conference and one team won four games a row, you
would come out and said, hey, Boston Celtics looked pretty good.
It's all completely based upon because how whatever your perspective
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is on the Celtics, Cleveland pushed him to the max, right,
and then Cleveland broke down and had injuries. Indy was
pushing then in the max, and then Indy had injuries.
So if your expectations aren't Hey, they're just so much
better than the competition. Yeah, I'd say they're a little disappointing,
(05:07):
but they also haven't had prazingis they haven't been healthy
in their own right, and just winning any games in
this tournament is really really hard. One time the NBA Finals,
Jason Tatum doesn't play well. It's he's young, it's his
first time. We grant you a bit of a pass.
Two times you get labeled. That's what's really at stake
(05:32):
here for this team. One time they could have guys
in Brown and Tatum especially that didn't play well against
the Golden State Warriors. But two times it's a different story.
And as we get ready to watch Luca and Kyrie
very very likely win tonight, I just again I've been
(05:54):
telling you guys, I think that Luca is the best
player on earth. He had a step back over and
outstretched armed Rudy Gobert, which, by the way, somehow now
has become bad defense. Like, yeah, I would have double
teamed him as soon as he gets the ball. When
get the ball out of his hands, make somebody else
beat you. As basketball one oh one is when Luka
(06:16):
Donca gets the ball, double team him, makes somebody else
beat you, and if he gets it back again, double
team him again. They chose not to do so. Go
Beart's defense wasn't Batty's seven feet tall. His hand was up.
It's just a great shot. But I do think that
there's an immense amount of pressure here on Tatum, that
(06:37):
the Celtics though they're gonna get healthy, and that the
presumption is that prezingis plays. He hasn't played, and there
has to be at least looming. The last time they
were in the NBA final, station Tam didn't play well.
And if you don't do it for two consecutive or
the two consecutive NBA finals you're in, you start to
earn a label you just do.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
So.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I don't know, like I I I get. I get
that you could take go bear out. It was a
time out, they had the ball in. I don't understand
why you win double team, Just double team. They said,
a little ball stream you switch, and I know that
side was cleared, but just make somebody else like sport
one O one, you know, take away when somebody else
(07:23):
does best. Did you not know a step back was
coming from Luka Donzik? I don't know, buyer am I
crazy here, like that's the easy solution here. And you know,
obviously I understand you're listening at home and you're driving.
You're like, oh, here's a guy who's coaching and he's
never coached a game yet in college basketball, and he's
telling you know, he's telling a really talented NBA head
(07:46):
coach what he should do. No, I'm just taking was
sports one oh one, Like, who'd you think was gonna
take the game when he shot?
Speaker 5 (07:55):
I think we all knew him at that point, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I don't. I don't. That's the part of it that
I don't understand. It's not that because the people that
are crushing Gobert defensively, I didn't think he looked particularly bad. Yes,
it looks like his legs are getting all tangled up,
but he recovered, he had a hand up. That's just
a great shot. But why is he even being able
to make that shot? And said, make somebody else speach you?
(08:20):
I don't know. And then there's the whole do you
enjoy Luca thing? Because he does complain a ton, But
I think people are starting to buy into Luca because
they like a little trash talk and his reaction. Although
he said it was in Slovenian. Sure looked like he
was talking some ish when he hit that game winner.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
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Speaker 2 (08:53):
I didn't tell you guys this. I went to my
first death metal concert this weekend. No, I'm serious. I
went to a death metal concert. My daughter Grace, as
you guys know, a talented bass guitarist and she'll be
(09:16):
enrolling in the Berkeley School of Music in Boston, Massachusetts
this fall. She loves this band called River of Nile
and they're from They're from Pennsylvania, and like you know,
the traditional death metal is like the singing, the kind
of screaming and whatever. But they they have saxophone in there,
(09:36):
they have other instruments in there. It's kind of like
a unique cornucopia of sounds if you will, to go
along with the traditional and kind of non traditional death metal.
But it was it was like four bands House of blues.
Let me tell you, people watching was amazing, amazing, and
I understand every different genre of It's like country concerts
(09:58):
in southern California, Like, okay, that that cowboy hat's not
really a cowboy. That's a prop. That's not really a
cowboy hat. Right, But that was It was fantastic, fantastic
and the band was pretty good. Liked him. John middlecalfeall
joined us in a second.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Tom Brady the Goat was on with with Colin Coward
yesterday and he was asked by Colin about his approach
to broadcasting. Take a listen.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
There are definitely parts of me that are hyper competitive,
and certainly they were as a player and as an athlete.
I love that competition. I relished that competition daily. I
didn't get if it was practice, if it was a game,
if it was ping pong, if we were playing trashketball
in the in the locker room, I wanted to win.
(10:45):
There's other parts where I feel like I've matured a
little bit and I don't necessarily have to be absolutely
competitive and everything.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
It's a little more selective.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
I think if I want to put effort into something,
then I'll be naturally I'll be more competitive at it
because I'll invest it a little bit of my time,
a little bit of my energy into it. Certainly with
the broadcaster. I don't think for me it's about competition.
I think it's for me it's about did I put
everything I could into it? And I did I give
(11:16):
the fans everything that they tuned in for? And that's
really how I end up gauging myself. And I'll have
to look at myself at the end of every Sunday
night going did I.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Do a good enough job?
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Did I live up to the belief that Fox had
in me? Did I live up to the expectations of
my teammates Kevin Burkhart and Aaron and Tom and Richie's
Ions and rich Russo in our entire truck, the entire team.
That's that's ultimately how I judge myself in that new role.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
That sounds really good. Here's the problem with broadcasting. When
you're a really really competitive person, there are no more
wins and no more losses. It is simply perception. And
if you search you know Twitter, you're going to get
the same ratio you think you know. People who didn't
like you before really not gonna like you. People who
(12:09):
like you're going to give you a pass. Your bosses
are all going to say how amazing you are and
what you need is somebody who's really neutral, who doesn't
gain anything or lose anything from giving you feedback to
help you. But I've told people coaches all the time
ask me, you know about broadcasting, and I was like, look,
if you don't want to do it again, if you
(12:29):
don't want to coach again, don't broadcast games live, because
when you do, inevitably the competitive juices start going. I mean, look,
I could just tell you for how many years I've
sat there and watched games, and you know, you agonize
for coaches on the losing side. The other hand, there's
a good portion of you. It's like, man, I like
(12:50):
to be in that locker room even after loss and
figure out how to fix things, figure out how to
fix things like a math problem to it. So yeah,
I mean it sounds good that I'm just I'm gonna
give him the best that I have. If I give
my teammates the best that that's great. Here's the thing, Tom,
(13:12):
pretty obvious you're starting off with a net negative because
Greg Olsen, who's a virtual no name in comparison to
Tom Brady, was great, and through no fault of your own,
you've come in and kind of big dog dom Okay,
there will be people inevitably that don't like Tom Brady
(13:33):
because of Tom Brady the football player. Most people will
give him a pass. On the other hand, they'll question
how hard he works because there's been other star quarterbacks
who have been that same position have been great. There's
no reason he can't be really, really good. But it
also takes time. You can't go from watching playing games
(13:53):
to doing it and just be great overnight. You can
be really good. I mean, Tony Romo is really good
right away, but Tony Romo hasn't improved, and so the
fact that he's kind of doing the same stick with
less connectivity to the teams, not knowing as much of
what teams do. The further he gets away from it,
(14:14):
it's worn a little thin on people. For Brady, it's
just about doing the job and getting better, but understanding
there are no more wins, no more losses. You actually
you can still compete, but you're competing and chasing some
invisible thing. When you get done, you put down the
headset inevitable you're Tom Brady. Everyone's gonna say how great
(14:35):
you are. Find somebody that tells you that can really
listen and give you feedback that that's actually my what
I would till top Doug Gotlib show here on Fox
Swartz Radio. I actually like the NFL adjustment there, you know,
And again tell me if I'm reading this wrong or
ingesting this wrong Dan as it's been proposed. It's like, hey,
(14:56):
we don't need these OTA stuff like let's let's get
rid of that. Let's have real workouts, just longer ramp up,
not a ton of hours, so that you don't go
from zero to one hundred.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Yes, and this was a similar format was used during COVID. Yeah,
and they said that it worked really well and that
could be a reason that we could see a change
as soon as next season.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
It's interesting you bring up during COVID, like now we're
in a dead period and recruiting, but just like during COVID,
we can still face to face people just zoom right
there are like, look, there's a lot of COVID that
a lot of things that happened during COVID that aren't great.
I do think the time of your family, the fact
that we didn't have anything on TV, you know, outside
(15:40):
of the Jordan documentary, right the Last Dance. But the
ramp up is a good one is a really really
good one. Huh. Let's welcome in. John Middlecoff Three and
Out is the podcast on the Volume podcast network. He
joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. What do you think of this proposed change
(16:02):
to the offseason where you eliminate the those OTAs and
maybe even the rookie camps and then you just have
a longer like start to ramp up towards training camp
in June.
Speaker 8 (16:13):
Yeah, my question would be the coaches and the gms
and the front offices. You know, there's such a routine.
You know, your coach now creatures a habit routine. The
forty plus day kind of break that they get has
been pretty consistent over the fourth of July month. Now,
(16:33):
could you do something where you have like quality control
guys there and you're just kind of easing them in.
But my initial reaction when I saw the proposed date
change was immediate pushback from that side.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, because it throws everything off. I get it, I
do get it. When do you when do those coaches?
When do they have their break?
Speaker 8 (16:59):
You know, I would imagine most teams have two max
three weeks left of OTA, so usually get out of
there around give or take June early June twenties and
come back, you know. I mean the head coach probably
comes back July twentieth. The most other guys, you know,
the assistant coaches in front office around July twenty second,
(17:22):
July twenty third.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, I mean, but it's also you.
Speaker 8 (17:27):
Know, kind of giving your young guys information. The other
thing is this, it hints like Bill ourselves, you know,
Buddy Ryan practices. You go to these practices. It is
all time nothing, so it's mainly just to get the
mental reps and the cohesion of the guy. It's pretty easy.
(17:51):
I mean a lot of these guys are playing golf
every afternoon, the players and coaches, and they're going to
games at night. It's it's not hitting. I mean, there's
definitely no path. They're not even doing team really. So
I think that we've overstated, you know, I thought we
got a little aggressive with the getting rid of practices.
I don't even think this is necessary, to be honest
(18:13):
with you.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Which part is that I say the.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
Changing, Well, I think these coaches now understand that you're
not going to ask all these rookies. They're easing in
these first couple of weeks. It's more just like getting
cardio and learning the verbiage than it is intense practice
like training camp. So I actually don't think it's very
difficult for young guys now if their pushback is it
(18:37):
gives a better chance for you know, certain guys, but
I don't know if it would change much that way,
Like the reps are kind of going to be the
reps for young players where you're slotted where you're drafted.
But I don't think it's very strenuous on the new
That's what this is for, right, that the new class
of guys, right makes it easier on them essentially.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, yeah, well, yes, that's what the break now. I
think I think the ramp up is for the veteran guys,
and I think it's all this this, hey, how do
we eliminate all these injuries? And you know, it's like
you talked to lots of guys, like, you know, football
players need to play football in order to get ready
for playing football, and the ramp up things sounds good.
(19:22):
Maybe it cuts down the soft tissue stuff, but you're
still going to run into They don't hit each other
until they get in the season and then when they
hit each other and they haven't built up kind of
that layer of protection from being hit. They don't, they
don't react as well.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
Well, I know this, the most physical training camp, even
with the new rules is by far Andy Reid. I
would imagine I've never been around the Ravens, but they're
right up there. I know the Niners are well, who
are the most physical teams in the league. Right, And
a lot of these teams now go the opposite way,
like Dustin you know Poer or Connor McGregor doesn't just
hop in the octagon on fight nights. Right, You've got
(19:58):
to develop the callucis. And it's really really difficult with
and I understand the no double days, but some of
these coaches, and we have a lot of young coaches
that I get it because the money you're paying and
you're so dependent on three or four players, are kind
of practice scared. And listen, when I scouted, I was
always scared with injuries. But like Andy Reid, Kyle Genahan,
(20:21):
they don't think like that. John Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh. Right,
So you've got to develop those callouses because the games,
you know, the preseason games are now with joke, if
they started the trends, most people follow them, and basically,
you show up September whatever, the date is, eight pence eleventh,
and that game is unlike anything you've done for the
(20:41):
last forty days. But I don't see what would change
with the NFLPA ramp up because it wouldn't include more tackling.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
No, I think it would be including more cardio and
more ramp up. And I agree with you, and we're
all trying to deal with the fact that whether it's
player empowerment or or you know, the search for ways
to play without making having concussions, and to protect these players,
you do have to hit each other before the season begins,
(21:12):
because the second you get hit for the first time,
your body just it just reacts poorly to it, you know.
Speaker 8 (21:20):
And I also think the modern day athletes, and I
would say in all sports, you go to golf, you
go to baseball, you go to basketball. From a young age,
like they kind of train pretty consistently, and these pro
athletes take It's not like, you know, the player Fred
Warner in the off season is drinking beer and smoking
cigarettes and he's like, I mean to use training camp
(21:42):
like the nineteen sixties to get in shape like those
days are kind of done. So I think most veterans
for the most parts show up, I mean pretty ready
to go. They pay a lot of money to get
training in the off season. I mean maybe July fourth
weekend the hangout, But for the most part, it's not
like they're taking you know, a lot of time off
with lifting and training like cardio shape. Obviously, to get
(22:05):
ready for the football game, you got to do some practice,
but they're not just sitting around like the average guy
for forty days and just hanging out.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
No. No. But the other issue is, and you kind
of got to it, is we have and like basketball,
the issue is that all these guys now nobody plays basketball.
They all do individual workouts, right, which is great because
the skill with dribbling the basketball through cones and the
variety of finishing shots on stuff. But you have to
(22:34):
know when to do what and the angles are different
when you play. It's just different when there's nine other
bodies out there on the court. And I think the
same is true for football. It's like all that stuff
is great. I've seen t. J. Hushman's out of work
with wide receivers and the technique and the skill, how
it's refined, is awesome, and you can tell. You could
(22:55):
sit there without name tags and watch him and sit
next to him and go like, oh, now that guy
must be good. Yes, you can tell why he's good.
But it's totally different when there's when there's twenty one
other guys out of the field the field.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
And think about the NBA and two best players are
yokichen Luka and they don't have muscles, they can barely jump,
but they just look like they need to play. And
all they do is play basketball. They're not doing all
the other stuff. They just put them on a court.
They know how to play. And I think football is
unique because like in basketball, you can play one on
(23:27):
one right in baseball, baseball is kind of an individual
sport in a team game, sure, but football football is
a lot closer like basketball. We're like, unless the pads
are on, it's not even the same sport. Unless you're
playing five on five, it's not what you're actually doing.
So it's yes, it does help work on the individual technique,
but the most important part of practice. You've been going
(23:48):
to training camps for years is the team, right, is
when they get in team because that's actual football that's
played when you play the games, which in that sport,
you just don't play that many games, right, You practice
so much, So it's it's unique. It's why the old
school coaches, to their dying days will say the importance
(24:09):
of double days, you know, to work on the team
chemistry and the team toughness. You can't you can't fake that.
And the only way you get that is in training
camp when it's hot and you don't want to practice,
and you just go out there.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
And you hit. Yeah, I'm I'm still fascinated this. This
appears to be the only season where we don't have
a quarterback or a star player. I mean maybe Brandon
Nyuk tries to hold the Niners hostage, but we don't
have the the hostage taking. It feels like this offseason.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
Yeah, I think these receivers, you know, the numbers, not
quite quarterback numbers, but like five years ago quarterback numbers.
So I saw to day a headline Jamar Chase and
T Higgins not there. Ceedee, Lamb's not going to go there.
Brand Nyuk. I mean, all these guys are thinking thirty
five Hell I me justin Jefferson, he saw that story.
I'm sure that they thought about if they could trade
(25:03):
up and get Elik Neighbors, that they would trade him.
And I think it kind of becomes an economic equation
of even when the CAP's going up, paying these wide receivers.
But I'm with you. I think most of these star
players know now like they're gonna get their money. But
I think once you get to the Brandon, iuk T Higgins,
(25:23):
like Jamar Jay, he's gonna get paid. Justin Jefferson, someone's
gonna pay him. I think with Iu is an interesting case,
like you know the Niners are not going to have
one hundred. He's gonna go, well, I'm just as good
as a mon Row Saint Brown. It's like, well, maybe
you are Brandon, but he's catching one hundred and twenty
balls a year. You catch seventy five. So is the
(25:44):
value to me? No one offered us a super high pick, right,
or you probably would have been traded. Now we can
debate whether that's a smart move or not, but the
value around the league's not there. And then the value
to us, like you're a valuable player at like twenty
four million dollars, but it's thirty plus. You know, we're
never gonna throw the ball enough to you. It's why
(26:05):
the one curveball dug is McCaffrey, because you know it's like, well,
he's the highest paid running back in the league. Well, yeah,
based on his tip entire contract in actual money this
year he makes under twelve million dollars. And he goes, well, Kyle,
you you ride me, not just in the run game,
but in the past game. I catch almost as many
(26:26):
passes as brand AYUK And you're gonna you'd be willing
to pay him twenty five plus million? What am I worset?
I am definitely. And it's like, with this huge signing bonus,
you guys didn't give me that the Panthers did, so
I could see that's something to keep an eye on.
Just do they just give him like kind of a
little raise like the Raiders did with Max Crosby. Probably
the right move, but you know, you get twenty seven
(26:46):
It's a tough conundrum because you're like running backs, hold guys. Now.
The one thing I will say, seeing him live a
couple of years ago in camp, he clearly I think
changed his body in his training habits with some of
his injuries, and he's been pretty durable with the Niners.
He hasn't missed a game, but that one's gonna be
because then I was like, oh, we got him on
a great team friendly deal. And if youre McCaffery, you're like,
(27:07):
I kind of need more money to keep taking this
pounding every week.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You know a couple of things that happened of the weekend.
John Mintocoff's our guest to announced the podcast. He also
hosts a Going Low podcast on the volume, which of
course is about golf. And you have Grayson Murray dying
and it goes from the story kind of changes and
he felt like everyone inside the golf world had some
sense of what really happened. But he withdrew due to illness,
(27:36):
and then the next day he dies, and you know,
I'm thinking like, well, what was the illness? And then
the more it goes on, you hear about some of
his demons, how he had stopped drinking. It just I mean,
really sad. But goh, what a what a weird sad
weekend for golf.
Speaker 8 (27:53):
Yeah, I mean I was thinking about it today, Like
the most relatable thing is, you know, whether it's we're
not going through it. We all have people that we've
known throughout our life, whether it's when we're young, people
our parents know or as we get older, people were
associated with that battle these demons and it's just I've
known people you just can't shake it. And the Grayson
(28:15):
thing was definitely weird, like the illness and it is
clearly like you know, he just he was going through
some stuff and it got to him. And the crazy
thing is he had won this year at the Sony Open,
he had finished top ten a couple of weeks ago
when Rory won, like he was playing at a really,
really high level. And it just shows you, I mean it,
(28:35):
you just get these these things inside you that you
can't overcome. And I was watching the broadcast on Saturday
and Peter Malnaughty, who won actually earlier this week, played
with them on Thursday and Friday and golf, you know,
it's it's a unique sport where it's like, oh, it's
the guy on another team, right, you don't know that well.
(28:57):
And everyone knows each other cause you're bound if you
play long enough to play with everyone over the course
of a weekend, throughout the season, and you see him
on the range. A lot of people, all their caddies
know each other. You could see it. I mean when
Peter Mault naughty and Web Simpson, who has known him
since he was eight years old, like you get to
you know all these parents. It's Scotty Scheffer talked after yesterday,
(29:20):
He's like, the guy was over at my Airbnb two
weeks ago having dinner. It's just it's it's a powerful
thing because you're around him and then all of a
sudden he's gone, and then obviously the way his parents
put it out that he committed suicide. It's just it's
got to be feel very personal for all these guys,
and it's just pretty gut wrenching because, like I said,
(29:41):
I think there's there's a lot of relatability. Maybe not
you don't know someone who committed suicide, but people that
have got to the brink and you've seen it ruin
people's lives and marriages and families. It's just awful. I mean,
it's just it's I don't know him personally, and I
felt hurt inside.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, I mean we've talked a lot on this show.
You know, I've suffered through some battles with depression. Jay
stew has talked about his own, never to that level,
but gosh and it's such a hard sport. It's such
a hard sport because you're just left there to your
own devices, right, Like you can just sit there and
(30:22):
mutter to yourself and walk and then you know, you
just got to keep going and keep playing. But I feel,
I mean, just an entire sport shaken by that news. John,
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Speaker 2 (31:02):
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You had a great and RESTful Memorial Day weekend. Yeah,
I mean, so summer's here, right, That's that's basically we
get to but we don't take massive breaks in summer.
We don't push off stories and start doing you know,
(31:22):
grab you know what radio. We stick with all the
important stuff. Matter of fact, we stick with every day.
At this time, we turned over Dan Byer and play
a game.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
This is game time on the Doug Gottleab Show.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Doug Gotlap Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to you from
the tyraq dot com studios. Dan, what's the game today, Doug?
Speaker 5 (31:47):
The game today is.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Rank them?
Speaker 5 (31:50):
All right?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
What is that? What's that? What's the chuckle?
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Because Sam and my air goes, you're up? And then
when I spoke, I wasn't up. I was not, but
we didn't know. The listener never would have none. Correct, correct,
But that's why I chuckled, all right, Doug Rake, the
top three players in the NBA playoffs so far this.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Year, they have to still be in the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
They don't have to be, but it's more of like
of not like who we think is the best in
the NBA. Who've been the best three players in these playoffs?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Okay, I put Jalen Brunson at three. I mean he
has been amazing. I mean, honestly, I'm gonna put Anthony Well,
I'm gonna put Anthony Edwards at two. I know he
hasn't been dominant in this series, but we can't diminish
what he's done in the playoffs before the series, right,
(32:44):
Like again, I wasn't buying into the whole Jordan thing,
but that was the discussion a lot of people were having,
was like, is he he's twenty two, Like he's kind
of got a little Jordan to him. And then Luca's
number one.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Okay, Luca Ant and Jalen Brunson. All Right, Doug, rank
your three favorite series of these playoffs so far? That
series that we've had, best series, so just to recap,
(33:15):
Obviously we had Celtics Pacers and t Wolves MAVs, but.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
We had Nick Pacers was amazing.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Yep, Nicks Pacers was good. Celtics Calves was kind of whatever.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
It's good up until Donovan Mitchell got hurt, than it
was whatever.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Right, Yeah, it ended in five, So.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
The six I missed my I think that was six.
I could be wrong anyway, Go go ahead, but I was.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Bucks Bucks Pacers is I'm safely saying that that is not.
But I was gonna say Nuggets Wolves in the seven
game series and then uh Oklahoma City and the Mavericks
Ye Lakers, Nuggets was was interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I would say the best series to date was that
Ugets Timberwolves. Yep, that would be one. So I'm gonna
usually we work three to three to one, I'm gonna
work one to three. I think that. I think the
Oklahoma City Maverick series was great. I'm gonna put that
one in two. And then I'm gonna say that Pacers Knicks,
(34:21):
even though the Knicks were so depleted at the end,
just the energy in those two buildings was incredible, and
then the Knicks just they fell apart so that they couldn't.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Do it all right, Doug, rank your three favorite Boston
Celtics all time.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yes, John Havelcheck, my dad was a walk on on
those Ohio State teams with Bob Knight and Jerry Lucas
and John Havelchek. So John Havelcheck at three, Hondo at three, Wow,
(34:56):
so hard, so difficult? Uh favorite?
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Like do you put Din Raja at one? Do you
put d Brown at one?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I mean it's really Paul Pierce, or do you do
Kevin McHale or whatever? I mean, you could say Bill Russell,
but but I.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Mean Kevin McHale for me is number one, based solely
on his Cheers appearances.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Well, plus remember he used to get caught eating hot
dogs on the bench sometimes. I mean he was he
was a colorful dude. I'll go Kevin McHale at two
and then i'll go Larry Bird at one.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
All right, Doug, rank your three favorite tennis surfaces. Play grass.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Never played on grass, so to watch her to play
because I do play tennis all love.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Yeah, Well, if you haven't played on grass, I think
it's gonna be hard to rank it. So then let's
just let's do on. Do you do you prefer Wimbledon?
Do you prefer French Open? Do you prefer I prefer?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I would say three two one French Wimbledon? Heard hard, Yeah,
Clay grass hardcourt, hardcore being one, clay being three. Although
the clay stuff always looks like they're sliding around. There's
long rallies, but they're always dominated by the Spaniards, you know. Always.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
I love when when there's a ball out of bounds
and on clay you can visibly see the mark, like
here it is, this is, this is your.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Cyclops is like the greatest. How is that their replay
is so tennis replay is so much better than every
other replay.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Yes, because it also provides drama. Yes, like there's the
lead up in the zoom in and then slowly like
hat all right, final one off of the three day
weekend that we had a best beverages to have in
a backyard cooler, Like when you go over to someone's house,
(36:54):
they're like, hey, drinks are on the coolers in the back.
What do you love? Nice lace Bruski.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, I mean you have to have beer in there,
beers wont one, Okay, some sort of high nowony is two,
and I think you gotta have like a little chilled
white wine, little a little shard. All right, well shart
at three, So Chardonnay to high noon to beer and
I'm gonna I'm gonna whisper this because I'm I live
in Wisconsin. Now I like Mexican beer. That's my that's
(37:23):
my jam. Uh. By the way, did you know that
we have our own logger here at at Dream Bay.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
No? I didn't.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I do. I'm gonna have to send you guys a case.
I'm not an I P A guy. I can't do
the I P A thing.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
Sorry, that's game time.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
This is game time on the Gottlief Show.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Gottleaf Show. You're on Fox Sports Radio. By the way,
the pastora Bill Walton really said, I'll share with you
some next hour, Bill sons, I grew up kind of
playing basketball with them. We'll talk about it. Plus, do
we really believe Lebron James is gonna play the free agency?
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