June 25, 2024 • 41 mins
Doug Gottlieb fills in for Colin and explains why he loves what he heard from JJ Redick at his introductory press conference as the new head coach of the Lakers
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What up, Doug gottliebe In for The Herd. Wherever you
may be listening, however you may be taking part in
the show, Thanks so much for joining us. I'm Doug
gottlieb in for Colin Calder. You are listening to Fox
Sports Radio. Hey, this story is a good one. Heard
to be good. We're a day away from the NBA Draft,
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which I gotta be honest, as a basketball guy my
entire life, this is a hard one to sell you on.
We'll discuss why it's so difficult and what exactly has
happened that's allowed us to get to this point where
at the NBA Draft used to be the draft it
did and now they're breaking into two days and I mean,
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obviously the Brownie James thing is going to cause people
to watch I guess in day two. But good luck
in naming a lot of these guys that are drafted
in day one. We'll talk about that throughout the show.
Got some Dallas Cowboys chattered to discuss, especially with Stop.
You've heard this before, but apparently the head coach thinks
the owner might be meddling a little bit too much.
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We'll get to that. Also waiting on Jordan Love and
the likely contract extension. That's part of the discussion. Maybe
a little baseball, a little hockey with a hockey champion
being crowned last night in South Florida, the Edmonton Oilers.
You talking about classic old school hockey, go back traditionally
right and Edmonton, Alberta. They marched down to South Florida
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after a racing a three tonne series lead and then
they lose in what like was exciting. It's not the
most exciting moment in the in the sports calendar, but
exciting the juxtaposition of that with for example, the WNBA
will get to a little bit later on. This is
my first time filling in for Colin since I was
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named the head coach of Wisconsin Green Bay where we
just go by Green Bay the Phoenix, So I'm actually
broadcast now live from my office. We already had practice
this morning as part of our four hours. We can
practice with the guys during the week. And so there's
no better person in the history of sports radio to
speak on a topic that I'm gonna speak on, which
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just happened to happen yesterday. Officially in Los Angeles, JJ
Reddick is new head coach of the Los Angeles Slackers.
And look, it's a different approach to hire a guy
who's never been a coach. As much as I've never
been paid head coach, I have coach teams that have
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played overseas. I've run my own AU program in southern California.
I coach for my dad's program with the same program
back when he was alive. I've been a consultant at
different places. I've interviewed for a lot of jobs. So
I would say there's a little bit more experience, actually
a lot more experience than what JJ has. But JJ
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has more of the experience that actually matters. He played
in the NBA, So look, there's no one else who
can tell you what I know now, which is the coaching.
And granted I haven't coached a game yet. As far
as college basketball, I understand that it's going to be
way more difficult than coaching in AAU and coaching overseas
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in many ways because teams will have at the end
of the season thirty games of film. They'll know everything
you do and you've got to find a way to
still put your players in the best position. But can
it be done, Yeah, they can be done. It's being done,
and it's been done in the NBA. I mean Jason
Kidg's coaching the NBA Finals. Granted, I don't think it
went great in Brooklyn, but he got that job fresh
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out of playing, didn't even have a year or two
to kind of catch his breath. Steve Curry never coached
a day in his life. He seems to have worked
out okay. Freda Hoiberg hadn't coached and then became the
head coach of the Iowa State Cyclones, his alma man,
and was great. He was okay in the NBA. Some
of that's more personnel driven. He's been very good at
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at Nebraska. And we could go through the Bill Russell
was a player coach, Magic Johnson was a coach, hadn't
coached before. That did not work out well. We've seen
both sides do it, but I thought there was a
lot of the answers and a way in which he
presented the answers, which tells you kind of the real story. First,
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I don't know why JJ insists on saying this. I
don't know why the Lakers continue to promote this idea.
But Ja Jay was asked about Lebron James role in
the hiring process. Here was his response, PLU, this.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Is advice to you throughout this whole coaching search process.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
He didn't provide any advice. Lebron and I did not
talk about the Lakers job until Thursday afternoon, about thirty
minutes after I was offered the job, and that was
very intentional on both our parts.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Okay, there's somebody in the background that said what we're
all thinking. He's like, ah, come on, you didn't talk
once about the job. Like look, I think Rob Polinka
he not. Everybody loves Rob Blink in the NBA. He's
always been straight up with me. Again, full disclosure, I
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coached Rob Polinka's son for two years. Southern Names Durham.
Great kid, Okay, great kid, left handed, can really shoot
make shots. Not a great mover, but a great shooter.
I've never known Rob to to not do something that
has a lot of thought in it. Right, there is
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purpose in the things he says and things he does.
If you think for one second that any of us
are buying that JJ Reddick didn't take the job that
Lebron James wanted him to have. And I get it,
like this is kind of Lebron's thing, which is he
he feels like he wants to be like the Godfather
and people just doing things for him without him asking
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them to be done. But one, The Godfather was a
book and then an epic movie. Two, I don't believe
he's actually ever read the book. I'm not sure he's
totally watched the movie because he can't pick out his
favorite quote. But three, that's just a movie and a book.
The reality is everyone knows and why wouldn't you, Why
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wouldn't you discuss with your best player, what's it look like?
Why wouldn't you understand what you're walking into? Or if
you're taking the job, are you going to be here?
And I think most everybody knows Lebron James is going
to be there. You know, his agent can throw out
whatever he wants about him being a free agent, about
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him potentially leaving about there's no ties to to Bronny.
He can say all these things. The reality is that
Lebron is not leaving his daughter in elementary schooler's son
and other son in high school. The reality is he's
trying to leverage the fact that he could be a
free agent to get them to get them to draft Bronni.
And the fact is that in order to make sure
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that he while he opts out of his contract, he
signs the new one. You gotta do the best you
can to make him happy. And there isn't outside of Tylero.
Tell me somebody else you can go. That guy's going
to work with Lebron James. Do we know if JJ's
good enough. We have no idea. We don't. But in
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order to command the respect of an NBA locker room,
you have to have played in the NBA. And in
order to coach in the NBA, you have to have
the respect of the locker room. In order to have
the respect of locker room, you have to have coached
in the NBA or played the NBA. It's a little
bit of catch twenty two. Here's JJ when he was
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asked about the Lakers pursuing Danny Hurley.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
I was getting ready to call Game one of the
NBA Finals when the Dan Hurley news broke and Rob
was quick to call me. We had a great conversation
during that whole four day period, like at no point
was my ego or feelings hurt or bruised in any way.
Dan Hurley is a two time national champion at Yukon.
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I am a two time fifty five Swiss League champion
in the third and fourth grade division.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Like I understood.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Pull yachrit so on the one, you can't approach it
by the way. That's the way I got this job. No,
this job was open a year ago actually in February,
and a coach named Sundance Wicks came and got the job.
And Sonny had been a head coach previously at Northern State.
He had worked with my boss, Josh Moon there. And
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when Josh called me and said, hey, listen, I mean
you're my one bee, but Sundance Wicks is going to
take the job, going to offer the job, going to
take the job. Had I not handled it the way
that Jj hamled it, I wouldn't have gotten the job.
When they circled back to me after Sonny left to
take the wyoming job. And you could be as bitter
as you want, but you got to realize, especially an
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hour position. And when I say our, I know I
didn't play as much, or as well or as long
as JJ Reddick. But the idea is still the same. Right,
former player becomes broadcaster, gets a head coaching job without
being an assistant coach. It's a different path than other people.
It's the same path as each other, which can be
is like super bitter Betty, that a guy didn't want
to go all in on his career when he had
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somebody who similar level of energy and excitem and created
at least for me. And oh yeah, by the way,
he'd been a head coach and he'd had a resume
and had worked with the athletic director before. Who am
I to criticize? The same could go for Danny Hurley, Like,
if you're JJ Reddick, what are you going to be
critical of? No, Danny hasn't coached to play in the NBA.
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But Danny has been as good at the college levels
as anyone has ever been in short order here in
the last couple of years. So of course I see
some parallels. Do I think it'll work. Well, Look, here's
why it has a great chance of working. Here's what
I have is a great chance of working. He's got
the buy in of his best player. If the most
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important you are in basketball, who your best player is.
Your best player is engaged in the whole process. He
bought into who you are. And like, look, Lebron can
sit here and try and separate himself from JJ. I
didn't have anything to do with it. Whatever he knows,
he's forever tied to JJ Reddick. He's sworn by j
Reddick's intelligence as a basketball guy. So if JJ Reddick
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doesn't have it, it is on Lebron. And when Lebron
wants to make something work, he usually makes it work.
So we can sit here and say they didn't talk
about it. Whatever. We can act like Lebron doesn't have
anything to do with the hiring, or that doesn't mean
that he'll be back. We know Lebron will be back.
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We know he has something to do with the hiring,
and even if it's more perception than reality, he's got
to make this thing work. Otherwise, this is Lebron's handpick guy.
This is the guy who did the podcast with Lebron.
If it doesn't work with him, it won't work with anybody,
all right. Coming up next time, Doug gotlip feeling in
for Colin. This is the Herd. The Dallas Cowboys have
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had quite the offseason.
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Appy in for Colin. This is the Herd on Fox
Sports Radio on the iHeartRadio app Welcome in. John michaud
is going to join us momentarily covers the Cowboys for
the Athletic. But you had the story which so many
of us discussed yesterday, which is UH. You got a
head coach of Mike McCarthy who's becoming frustrated with the
UH with how much he has to deal with Jerry Jones.
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You have Dak Prescott who appears to be playing in
a kind of prove it year for his next contract.
You got some stuff there to get to. Right. Also,
we'll talk to NBA draft Mark Medeena is going to
join us next hour. Ryan Hollins in the third hour.
We've got a good amount of good amount of things
to discuss. Let's welcome in, John, Mishode. He joins us.
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He covers the Cowboys for the Athletic I am Doug
Gottlieb being for Colin. This is the hurd Fox Sports Radio,
iHeart Radio app and John. Let's just start with with
Mike McCarthy. How is he viewed by the Cowboys press.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
I think he's viewed as a guy that they like
a lot of things that he's done and that he's
had success at a certain level. But I think that
it's pretty obvious there's some disappointments that they haven't done
more in the postseason. If they had, he wouldn't be
going under his final year of his contract, and so
that's what it comes down to. That's what he was
hired for. It was to get past where Jason Garrett
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was going, which was, you know, he'd have one good
season one down season. They get in the playoffs when
making deeper on bringing Mike McCarthy thinking that this will
be the answer, We'll finally make a deep run. And
he's had some really good teams, but ultimately because he
hasn't been able to do it in the playoffs, that's
why he's sitting here in a final year of his deal.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
How does their roster look in comparison to or alongside
with how they want to play.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Yeah, I mean, it's still a good roster, that's the thing.
There's a lot of doom and gloom with the Cowboys
right now because they didn't do much in the off season.
It might have been the least that they've ever done
in enough season franchise in history. So it's not going
to be a better team on paper than it was
last year. And so you know, if you're following the team,
why would you think it's going to be any different
in the postseason if you don't have a better roster
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and they're just they're expecting a lot of second third
year jumps from guys that frankly, there's a lot that's
a lot of hope. You don't know for sure if they're.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Going to do that.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
And then obviously you need guys like Dak and CD
and Michael Parsons to play their best ball in January
and that hasn't happened either. But on paper, it's still
one of the better rosters in the NFL. It's still
a team that should be making the playoffs. But the
problem is whether they win nine games or fifteen there's
really no reason to believe in them, and so you
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see them do something in January.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
No question about it. What about Dak? Obviously, a disastrous
first half against the Green Bay Packers ultimately did him
in in the last year, going to the last year of
his deal. Where does he stand with the franchise.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
They I have never been told anything negative about Dak
by anybody in the franchise, honor, off the record, never once.
That doesn't matter how many drinks are being at. Where
was that nobody? I have never heard anybody say a
negative word about Dak. I just kind of wonder where
we sit today. If Jerry Jones is so frustrated by
the way the season ended. I mean that Green Bay loss.
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You're down thirty two midway through the fourth quarter. You
can argue that's the worst loss in Cowboys history. Deck
didn't play great. It's not his it's not all on
him that they lost. But there's a part of me
to think that Jerry he needs to see more from
Dak in year nine to want to give him that
big fifty five to sixty million dollars a year contract.
And if you're Dak Prescott, you're probably fine with waiting
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on that because if you don't get it from the Cowboys,
you're going to get it from another team if they
let him go to free agency. Even if he gets
hurt he got hurt before his last contract that he's
ending ankle injury in twenty twenty, still got his monster
deal with everything that you could possibly want, the no
trade clause, no franchise tag. So he's in a great
spot because he's going to get his money regardless. I
think he would prefer to get it from the Cowboys,
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but I think the Cowboys and mainly it comes down
to Jerry because he's the one making the decisions at
the end of the day. I think I think ultimately
he wants to see more from Dak in the postseason,
and he's not going to stay that publicly, but the
actions speak louder in words, and the actions are he
doesn't have a new contract yet.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, I think I would agree with you, and you
know more than I do. But just outside looking in,
you have to want more from him in the postseason.
Look at San Francisco two years ago in Green Bay
this year, neither neither were were good. The story out
I think yesterday was McCarthy growing increasingly frustrate over Jerry
Jones meddling. I mean, you didn't know Jerry Jones are
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gonna meddle. You know, It's like John, I look at
this as like the janitor going, I can't believe I
have to clean up bathrooms. You did know that that's
part of janitorial services, right, don't. I don't really understand.
Maybe you can help us out because you know this
this group on a day to day basis. What do
you make of this story that McCarthy is growing tired
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of Jerry Jones meddling?
Speaker 6 (17:03):
Well, I'm sure. Well, when I first saw the story,
one of the first things I thought of was, you
can say that probably about every single coach it's ever
coach under Jerry Jones with the Dallas Cowboys, there's just
things that he does that are going to frustrate you. Now,
I will say, I don't think that these things surprised
McCarthy now as much as maybe they did in twenty
twenty twenty twenty one when he first took over, especially
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coming from an organization like Green Bay that's run completely
different than this one. And so because of that, I
know that there were some things that surprised him, But
I don't think it's anything any different than any coach
would have. I mean, it goes from the fact that
you know, your owner and general manager talks three times
a week during the season, twice on the radio, once
after games. I mean, when Jerry talks after games and
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he comes to a locker room, you know there's a
good fifteen twenty thirty people around him, and there's sometimes
that's going on. Well, Michel McCarthy's doing his postgame press conference,
there might only five people in there, and that's gonna
wear on any coach because they want to be the
one that's putting out that message, especially after a big loss.
But Garry's out there holding court for fifteen twenty minutes
because he provides a lot of, you know, intriguing information.
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So there's one thing there. The other is nobody has
more access to a team media wise than the Cowboys
in terms of there's always cameras around, there's tours always
around the facility. Their practice fields are on the outside,
are in between two you know, fifteen story buildings that
you don't know exactly everybody who's watching your practices, and
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so there's always going to be that part of you know,
do we have to go inside to work on certain
things because we don't know who's who's watching this stuff
go on. And I mean, if you have subscription Netflix,
you know there's always something Cowboys related that's on there.
I don't think cameras follow around a team behind the
scenes more than this team. And these are all things
that just don't go on at other organizations, and so
you have to deal with a lot more here. And
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so I can see where anybody that knows mich McCarthy
would think, Kay, he gets fought up with certain things.
But at the same time, I would say the only
thing that would be new to right now, which be
the fact of hey, maybe just because hey, he's going
under the final year of his contract, and he probably
feels like, hey, I've won twelve games each the last
three regular seasons. Only the Chiefs have won more. Why
don't I have a new contract. I can see a
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coach being frustrated with that, But then the Cowboys will
come back and say, well, you know, we need more
wins in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Speaking of young quarterbacks and new contracts, Justin Herbert's new
contract finally takes place this year, trying kicks in kind
of this year. What do you think about the fit
with Harbaugh's system and coaching.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
I think it's going to be fascinating because I think
with a Justin Herbert type, you look at it from
a perspective of, oh, well they're just going to throw
the ball over the yard and score a bunch of
points and try and out score everyone. Well, that's not
really Jim Harbaugh's style. And so I think in a
way it might where you see Justin Herbert's numbers maybe
come down a little bit more, and maybe they aren't
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you know, the great fantasy numbers all the time. I
do think that he's gonna his system is go to
help them. Jim Harbaugh system is going to help them
win more games. And so maybe maybe maybe it doesn't
look as good on the back of Harvaugh's I mean,
on the back of Justin's football card. But I do
think that Harbaugh is gonna have success in the NFL.
I do think that he's in a good situation there.
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So yeah, I don't I don't see any reason why
to think other other than that.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
No, I don't. I don't see any reason to think
other than that. Either. You know, they don't necessarily have
the weapons at wide receiver, but it does look like
with Greg Roman, we know they're going to try and
run the football, take some pressure off of him, of
him that way. Okay, So last thing, kind of circling
back to the Cowboys. Tyron Smith no longer there. The
strength to this group for a long time was not
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just the skill positions. It was upfront. The older offensive
line aged out, what's left to protect Dak Prescott.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
They still got some good players. I mean, Zach Martin
still has gas left in the tank. He's still one
of the best guards in the league. And then Tyler
Smith is arguably one of the best guards in the
as well. So you have outstanding guards play. The issue
is that tackle. You could be starting a rookie and
Tyler Guidon at left tackle and and I don't I
mean unless you're taking one of these tackles in the
top ten, if you're getting a tackle at falls you know,
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to the bottom twenties or out of the first round,
there's gonna be some growing pains the idea that they're
just not This isn't Joe Alt, you know, So there's
gonna be some issues there. I think where there's gonna
be some times where they're gonna have to do some
of our things to get some extra protection over there
to help Deck blindside. But I think ultimately, as much
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as anybody can criticize the Cowboys for a lot of things,
the one thing you really can is what they've done
drafting offensive linemen in the first round. They've had a
lot of success doing that, and so I do think
ultimately Guitan will be the answer. I left tackle, just
it might come with some growing pains early on. And
then the other is just center. I mean, they let
Tyler Baddish sign with Washington and free agency, and they
drafted Cooper bed out of Kansas State, who's played mostly
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guard a kansasitate. Now they're going to hope that, you know,
he can be their future potentially at center, and so
I just those are two positions where we're used to
seeing the Cowboys offensive line being one of the best
in the league, and I just think you're gonna see
some more growing pains from this group. And that's obviously
not ideal for Mike McCarthy in the final year of
his contract, Deck in the final year of his contract,
So it'll be interesting. I think ultimately that these guys
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will be the right guys those positions. I just think
early on there might be some improp.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Spots Sean, great stuff, awesome insight. I cannot tell you
how much I appreciate you join us and enjoy your work.
Thanks to our guest in the Herd, Thank you for
having me m all this. John Michoda of course, covers
the Dallas Cowboys and the NFL for the Athletic and
he joins us here in the Herd. Let's get to
Ryan Music with the news.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
No, no, this is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Hello Ryan, Good morning, Doug. Good to be with you
here on the Herd. Let's turn our attention from the
NFL to the NBA. The Warriors are facing a tough
decision with Klay Thompson as its contract is up and
his potential exit in free agency. Here is Golden State
general manager Mike Dunleavy Junior, saying they want Clay back,
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but it's complicated.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
I'm reasonable and rational, That's how I'm always going to operate.
But to say, like a guy like Klay Thompson, who's
messed so much this franchise, to completely strip the emotion
away from it, I think that's almost impossible. But you know,
this is a business, and we will talk through things.
We continue to talk through things, and you know, like
I said, we're hopeful, but you know, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We got to we've got to figure things out.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
And that's just the everybody has. Everybody has a limit
to what you're wanting to spend. And this is why
I've never liked radio segments that and you don't do this.
Ryan and Jason Stewart, my producer for my show, who's
in with us today as well, he doesn't do it either,
but we all know it's been done. Where you go like, well,
would you trade Klay Thompson? What are you offering me
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in return? Would you resign Klay Thompson? What is the dollar?
You know, all these things matter definitely, And I think
what you're hearing from Mike Dunleeve is like, look, do
we want him back? Yeah, Clay Dompson can still play.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, I mean, can't be a way.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Your top three score, top three players.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I mean he's not quite the same elite two way
player he once was by any means, but he's still effective.
I mean, of course, yeah, he averaged he just.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Has to be your fifth best starter. Okay, fifth best starter,
may fourth, fifth best starter. And again instead of building
around the fact he's your best defensive player, he's still good. Yeah, Okay,
he's still good. There's nothing wrong with him. He's just
not a star anymore. And he can't pay a guy
who's not a star star money because it just limits you.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Right, he's just not twenty seven years old and can
play on the other team's all star players, so that
Steph Curry can just go out there and run the
entire offense and not be a complete and total liability.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Right, Plus he can't score the way he used Yeah, okay,
but now now can he get you fourteen to fifteen
a night? Yes, yeah, Kenny.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Guard, Yes, I mean even in a down year last
year he averaged just under eighteen a game, shot fifty
percent from the field and thirty nine from three.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Now he had a.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Really three was a little three was a little down. Yeah,
But can can you expect him in the life of
a three year contract to average somewhere, you know, to
the fourteen to sixteen a game, Yes, absolutely, and be
efficient doing it. Sure, it's he just won't get to
those nights of thirty thirty five nearly as often.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Right, Yeah, he's not going to drop thirty six in
a quarter dribbling the ball four times or whatever he
did that one time against I think it was the Kings. Yeah, yeah,
those days are over, and I mean I think really
what this also comes down to is the other side
of the equation, which is what is it the Clay wants.
Is Clay looking for that big payday and for him
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to be a member of a team where he can
still be that number two option. Well, if that's the case,
then it's probably not going to be in Golden State.
But you know, maybe a team that has young talent,
like we keep hearing the Orlando Magic, maybe they are
willing to go there for Clay. But then that means
he has to then value that role that night in
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a night out position over finishing his career with the Warriors,
because I think it's pretty clear that the Warriors are
not willing to probably give him that top tier money
that he may be looking for right.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Now, nor should they be, right, That's just that would
be bad business, bad business. And I think hiring Dunlevy
that helps because he hasn't been with him the whole time.
I'm sure. I'm sure Clay. Everybody's got an ego. His
egos could probably got to be be hurt by it. Yeah,
But the reality is, I don't think we're saying anything
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that people don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I mean, I think people he's washed.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
He's not washed, sure, sure, but I do think people
feel this sort of you owe it to him loyalty
because of what he means to the organization. I mean,
like we've heard people will say this about the late
Kobe Bryant and the way he finished his career with
the Lakers, and that they owed it to him. Now,
Kobe's a little different than Clay, but in that same
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idea is that he's done so much for the organization,
you should be able to just give him what he's
asking for at this point in his career. But I
don't think that's what makes the Warriors the Warriors. Yeah,
that's a great point.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
How that were for Lakers? You know, at some point,
like you're yet, yes, you want to honor what he's
done and treat him with great respect, and if it's
even close, right, if it's even close, Yeah, I mean
you're throwing some more money here. But he's not a
Max player, right, he's just nah, can't give Max player money,
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you know. So, yeah, his ego is gonna be a
little bit hurt by it. Okay, that's called getting older.
Just is you know, sometimes you got to suck it
up and go like like, is it really that bad
a thing to make thirty million dollars instead of fifty
million dollars?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
All right, let's do Let's turn back to the NFL.
You mentioned this briefly there with John Mishoda, but the
Jets added eight time Pro Bowl left tackle Tyron Smith
from the Cowboys to help fortify that offensive line for
Aaron Rodgers. In order to try and keep Smith upright
for this upcoming season. The Athletic is reporting that the
Jets plan for training camp to be heavy on rest
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days for Smith.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah. I mean, look, there's the guy who is the
best in the business, but his time is done and
maybe sort of passed a lot of times. And this
is like the Bill Belichick thing, right, Guys that he
trade away or released, you know, or allowed to be
signed away. Those guys usually had one good year and
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then kind of off into the sunset. We'll see if
Tyron Smith has one good year. Yeah, you know, the
thing is he's been her lot and I remember, yes,
he's gonna have rest days. Well, you got Aaron Rodgers
who he may have some rest days too, but he's
missing some of what I think is valuable time with
some new teammates. So I you know how it all
comes together in a perfect world, Tyron Smith returns to
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prime Tyron Smith with Aaron Rodgers, and if you give
him time, he's still awesome. But man, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, I completely agree with a lot of those points
you are saying. Normally, I'm not going to make too
big a deal out of something like this that a
veteran is getting rest days and not necessarily participating day
in and day out of training camp. But Aaron barely
played last year. He's never played with Tyrone Smith. And
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in addition to Smith, in total, they have three out
of their five projected starting offensive linemen are new to
the Jets and have never played together. So, as a
general rule, when we tend to see what makes elite
O lines across the NFL, it's continuity and chemistry, which
is something that this team is clearly clearly lacking at
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offensive line. Not to mention you touched on it, Tyron Smith,
who has had a great career, hasn't played more than
thirteen games in a season since twenty sixteen. So this
is sort of falls in line with sometimes the discussion
that we have with NBA and load management, like, okay,
how effective is load management? I know you don't want
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to play the guy too much, but then what's the
balance between something like what we saw with the Clippers
at times, which is like these guys don't really ever
play together and then you just expect them to turn
it on at some point. So certainly going to be
a challenge for the Jets this training camp and heading
into the suburb.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
So I'm buying a used land Cruiser, right, that's that's
a used range Rover. Excuse me, right, use range rumber
Where I mean when it's when a range Rover is,
you know, fresh out of the factory, Like, dude, that
thing drives like a dream engine, is cool, whatever, but
you know, you get some miles on it, we know
(31:09):
how those things act and react, and he's just not
that guy anymore. So the older range Rover is not
nearly as appealing as the some of the other cars
that are older. And we'll just see what the percentage
of the thing that changes as you get older is
the percentage of games in which you're the old you, right,
you know, and if you get in your thirties as
a left tackle, you've been carrying all that weight for
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that many years and you've suffered through a bunch of injuries.
It's the can you be? Can you be Tyrone Smith
one in two games, one in three, or one in four,
one in five. That's the real challenge.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
And we'll wrap up with this. Forty nine Ers and
Brandon I. You continue to be at odds over a
new contract. Super Bowl champion and ESPN analyst Ryan Clark
reported that you met with the forty nine ers yesterday
about said contract and also added this When Clark recorded
an interview with Ayuk recently, he showed up with see
Washington Commander's number two overall pick quarterback Jaden Daniels, his
(32:03):
former teammate at Arizona State. This also now on the heels,
of course, of that TikTok video of are you talking
to Daniels on FaceTime expressing that he feels as though
the forty nine ers don't want him.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Well, here's the problem. He's under contract. That's a fair
to make forty million dollars this year. That's that's what
the that's what the breakdown is.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
And you know it's the club option. Technically he's an
unrestricted free agent at the end of next year, but
because he was a first round draft pick, I believe
they can franchise type they want and again and again
and again. So look, we've seen plenty of wide receivers
be sent packing, but this is the year where he
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wants a long term extension. And the question is for
Brandon Ayuk and this is it's a real it's a
real one. I understand you're in a place where you're
probably thinking, I'm not going to catch one hundred and
twenty balls in a year. You're just not. And he
doesn't have the versatility of a debot, and they already
paid debot sabment.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
The question becomes, you know, you got to just be
very very cautious of getting so upset and making too
big of a stink of it so that that it
doesn't become an option. And the Niners can really screen
if they want to, they can really screet. They can
trade you la to a team that you don't want
to get traded to which a lot of different things
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they can do. But in the meantime, let's just remember
he's still under contract and they can have him under
contract for three more years they want with no negotiation.
And that's why music with the News.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
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Speaker 3 (33:42):
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Stuck gott lab In for Collin, this is the Herd
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Welcome, Welcome,
Welcome in. Look I in regards to the NBA draft,
which do you guys know the NBA draft? Just tomorrownight,
And it's it's really interesting because when you think of drafts,
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obviously the football draft has far overshadowed down the NBA
draft for probably since the Lebron Draft. I mean, like
last year Victor webn Yama. It wasn't as big a
thing as maybe should have been. But now you start
to realize, holy cow, that guy could very easily become
the best player in the league in the next three
to five years. Right. But it's interesting, you know, it
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feels like we've overmined a resource. It feels like we've
overmined a resource and you know, pick whatever you want.
I mean, this is like the Chilean sea bass. In
Chilean sea bess actually endangered. Now you'll go to a restaurant,
he'll say Chilean sea bass, and you're not eating Chilean
(35:50):
sea bass because I believe Chilean sea bass are endangered
because we overfished it, and that's what we've done with
with the college game, really and I do think there
will be some evening out. So the G League Unite
has been an abject disaster. It's really interesting. You know,
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for twenty six years, the WNBA lost money, and what
people should know is it's not subsidized nearly as much
by the NBA. Those teams are individually owned, so it's
not as bad. But the fact is that the G
League Uknite was always a money loser. It lasted like
five years and it was gone. The WNBA lasted twenty
five years and was not gone. But the G League
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Knight is going away. Players are being compensated, some handsomely
so to stay in college. There is the opportunity to
go to Australia and some overseas teams, although I think
with the money people are making in college, they won't leave.
They'll go to college. It's smart, rightfully so, but we
have quite obviously overmined the resource of college athletics in
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that I mean, you can't name half the guys in
the first round. You've never seen them play, you don't
know who they are. And I think that one of
the parts that is missing to the discussion, which has
always been missing to the discussion, is that the NBA
does play a massive role in the minimization of the
(37:22):
importance of college athletics college basketball. You know, just they
just do. They play a massive, massive role in it.
And you know, Adam Silver can sit there and say
like their problems are not our problems, and now that
(37:44):
players can be compensated whatever. Again, I think it's ultimately
gonna work out because players are gonna stay in college
longer because many of the borderline ones understand I can
make more money than I can't stay in it, and
then potentially going overseas or playing in the G League,
and that G League stuff will always be there for me,
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that's the perception. But diminishing the value of college, what
you get is you get unfinished products. And but more
than anything, forget about whether unfinished products as players or
as people. They don't have a following. And there was
an article Steve Kerr wrote, and this is going back
to his days, I believe when he was still the
general manager of this of the Suns. It may have
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been when he was a broadcaster where he talked about
the fact that, like the NBA needs players to stay
into college more. If we think back in our lifetime,
very few players have come out in the one and
done era. I can think of two that had a
gigantic following. One was Zion Williamson, the other one was
Kevin Durant. Outside of that, most of the guys who
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were one and done, they didn't have the following. You know,
it actually helps the NBA's business when I mean, look
a look at what's happened with the WNBA with Klan Clark.
Is Caitlin Clark the reason the league is on fire, yes,
But a good portion of it was the fact that
she stayed and played this past year. I don't believe
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she could have come out the previous year after three
years chose not to. Now she could have stayed too
long and gone back for another year. That would wouldn't
have made sense. Now, all her records are clean and valid,
and we don't have to throw out that she played
an extra year. But the fact is that we learned
about her. I don't know when you learned about her.
(39:35):
I learned about Caitlin Clark about mid season, not this
past year, the year before and then she goes to
a championship game and there's all the theatrics with Angel Reese.
Had that been it, had we only gotten to know
Caitlin Clark over that month long month and a half
two month long period of time, wouldn't have had nearly
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the same effect. But because she came back for ational year,
everybody knows what Caitlin Clark is. Everybody followed her and
many of you watched her play a regular season game
in college. People are watching the WNBA now who made
fun of it for twenty five years, And the fact
is that the men's game has gone the opposite route
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and it's gotten the opposite sort of effect. Women's basketball
is on fire because you know all these even Angel
reeson again. I'm not one of these guys who thinks
anybody's tuning in to go, oh my Angel Rechi is play,
let's turn out. But the fact is you know who
she is. Why because she was part of the conversation
of basketball for two consecutive years. We don't have that
in the NBA. All these guys, let me just get
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out as soon as I can. But part of what
makes it work is when people know who you are
and so they follow you. That's why the college system
has worked for football. Obviously a different collective bard In
agreement for three years, but you build up a following.
People know who you are. Worst draft ever, no question.
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But part of it is we've overmined this resource. I'm
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gottlieb in for Colin Calder. You are listening to Fox
Sports Radio. Hey, this story is a good one. Heard
to be good. We're a day away from the NBA Draft,
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which I gotta be honest, as a basketball guy my
entire life, this is a hard one to sell you on.
We'll discuss why it's so difficult and what exactly has
happened that's allowed us to get to this point where
at the NBA Draft used to be the draft it
did and now they're breaking into two days and I mean,
(01:13):
obviously the Brownie James thing is going to cause people
to watch I guess in day two. But good luck
in naming a lot of these guys that are drafted
in day one. We'll talk about that throughout the show.
Got some Dallas Cowboys chattered to discuss, especially with Stop.
You've heard this before, but apparently the head coach thinks
the owner might be meddling a little bit too much.
(01:34):
We'll get to that. Also waiting on Jordan Love and
the likely contract extension. That's part of the discussion. Maybe
a little baseball, a little hockey with a hockey champion
being crowned last night in South Florida, the Edmonton Oilers.
You talking about classic old school hockey, go back traditionally
right and Edmonton, Alberta. They marched down to South Florida
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after a racing a three tonne series lead and then
they lose in what like was exciting. It's not the
most exciting moment in the in the sports calendar, but
exciting the juxtaposition of that with for example, the WNBA
will get to a little bit later on. This is
my first time filling in for Colin since I was
(02:21):
named the head coach of Wisconsin Green Bay where we
just go by Green Bay the Phoenix, So I'm actually
broadcast now live from my office. We already had practice
this morning as part of our four hours. We can
practice with the guys during the week. And so there's
no better person in the history of sports radio to
speak on a topic that I'm gonna speak on, which
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just happened to happen yesterday. Officially in Los Angeles, JJ
Reddick is new head coach of the Los Angeles Slackers.
And look, it's a different approach to hire a guy
who's never been a coach. As much as I've never
been paid head coach, I have coach teams that have
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played overseas. I've run my own AU program in southern California.
I coach for my dad's program with the same program
back when he was alive. I've been a consultant at
different places. I've interviewed for a lot of jobs. So
I would say there's a little bit more experience, actually
a lot more experience than what JJ has. But JJ
(03:23):
has more of the experience that actually matters. He played
in the NBA, So look, there's no one else who
can tell you what I know now, which is the coaching.
And granted I haven't coached a game yet. As far
as college basketball, I understand that it's going to be
way more difficult than coaching in AAU and coaching overseas
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in many ways because teams will have at the end
of the season thirty games of film. They'll know everything
you do and you've got to find a way to
still put your players in the best position. But can
it be done, Yeah, they can be done. It's being done,
and it's been done in the NBA. I mean Jason
Kidg's coaching the NBA Finals. Granted, I don't think it
went great in Brooklyn, but he got that job fresh
(04:09):
out of playing, didn't even have a year or two
to kind of catch his breath. Steve Curry never coached
a day in his life. He seems to have worked
out okay. Freda Hoiberg hadn't coached and then became the
head coach of the Iowa State Cyclones, his alma man,
and was great. He was okay in the NBA. Some
of that's more personnel driven. He's been very good at
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at Nebraska. And we could go through the Bill Russell
was a player coach, Magic Johnson was a coach, hadn't
coached before. That did not work out well. We've seen
both sides do it, but I thought there was a
lot of the answers and a way in which he
presented the answers, which tells you kind of the real story. First,
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I don't know why JJ insists on saying this. I
don't know why the Lakers continue to promote this idea.
But Ja Jay was asked about Lebron James role in
the hiring process. Here was his response, PLU, this.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Is advice to you throughout this whole coaching search process.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
He didn't provide any advice. Lebron and I did not
talk about the Lakers job until Thursday afternoon, about thirty
minutes after I was offered the job, and that was
very intentional on both our parts.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Okay, there's somebody in the background that said what we're
all thinking. He's like, ah, come on, you didn't talk
once about the job. Like look, I think Rob Polinka
he not. Everybody loves Rob Blink in the NBA. He's
always been straight up with me. Again, full disclosure, I
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coached Rob Polinka's son for two years. Southern Names Durham.
Great kid, Okay, great kid, left handed, can really shoot
make shots. Not a great mover, but a great shooter.
I've never known Rob to to not do something that
has a lot of thought in it. Right, there is
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purpose in the things he says and things he does.
If you think for one second that any of us
are buying that JJ Reddick didn't take the job that
Lebron James wanted him to have. And I get it,
like this is kind of Lebron's thing, which is he
he feels like he wants to be like the Godfather
and people just doing things for him without him asking
(06:30):
them to be done. But one, The Godfather was a
book and then an epic movie. Two, I don't believe
he's actually ever read the book. I'm not sure he's
totally watched the movie because he can't pick out his
favorite quote. But three, that's just a movie and a book.
The reality is everyone knows and why wouldn't you, Why
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wouldn't you discuss with your best player, what's it look like?
Why wouldn't you understand what you're walking into? Or if
you're taking the job, are you going to be here?
And I think most everybody knows Lebron James is going
to be there. You know, his agent can throw out
whatever he wants about him being a free agent, about
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him potentially leaving about there's no ties to to Bronny.
He can say all these things. The reality is that
Lebron is not leaving his daughter in elementary schooler's son
and other son in high school. The reality is he's
trying to leverage the fact that he could be a
free agent to get them to get them to draft Bronni.
And the fact is that in order to make sure
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that he while he opts out of his contract, he
signs the new one. You gotta do the best you
can to make him happy. And there isn't outside of Tylero.
Tell me somebody else you can go. That guy's going
to work with Lebron James. Do we know if JJ's
good enough. We have no idea. We don't. But in
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order to command the respect of an NBA locker room,
you have to have played in the NBA. And in
order to coach in the NBA, you have to have
the respect of the locker room. In order to have
the respect of locker room, you have to have coached
in the NBA or played the NBA. It's a little
bit of catch twenty two. Here's JJ when he was
(08:17):
asked about the Lakers pursuing Danny Hurley.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
I was getting ready to call Game one of the
NBA Finals when the Dan Hurley news broke and Rob
was quick to call me. We had a great conversation
during that whole four day period, like at no point
was my ego or feelings hurt or bruised in any way.
Dan Hurley is a two time national champion at Yukon.
(08:41):
I am a two time fifty five Swiss League champion
in the third and fourth grade division.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Like I understood.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Pull yachrit so on the one, you can't approach it
by the way. That's the way I got this job. No,
this job was open a year ago actually in February,
and a coach named Sundance Wicks came and got the job.
And Sonny had been a head coach previously at Northern State.
He had worked with my boss, Josh Moon there. And
(09:14):
when Josh called me and said, hey, listen, I mean
you're my one bee, but Sundance Wicks is going to
take the job, going to offer the job, going to
take the job. Had I not handled it the way
that Jj hamled it, I wouldn't have gotten the job.
When they circled back to me after Sonny left to
take the wyoming job. And you could be as bitter
as you want, but you got to realize, especially an
(09:34):
hour position. And when I say our, I know I
didn't play as much, or as well or as long
as JJ Reddick. But the idea is still the same. Right,
former player becomes broadcaster, gets a head coaching job without
being an assistant coach. It's a different path than other people.
It's the same path as each other, which can be
is like super bitter Betty, that a guy didn't want
to go all in on his career when he had
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somebody who similar level of energy and excitem and created
at least for me. And oh yeah, by the way,
he'd been a head coach and he'd had a resume
and had worked with the athletic director before. Who am
I to criticize? The same could go for Danny Hurley, Like,
if you're JJ Reddick, what are you going to be
critical of? No, Danny hasn't coached to play in the NBA.
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But Danny has been as good at the college levels
as anyone has ever been in short order here in
the last couple of years. So of course I see
some parallels. Do I think it'll work. Well, Look, here's
why it has a great chance of working. Here's what
I have is a great chance of working. He's got
the buy in of his best player. If the most
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important you are in basketball, who your best player is.
Your best player is engaged in the whole process. He
bought into who you are. And like, look, Lebron can
sit here and try and separate himself from JJ. I
didn't have anything to do with it. Whatever he knows,
he's forever tied to JJ Reddick. He's sworn by j
Reddick's intelligence as a basketball guy. So if JJ Reddick
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doesn't have it, it is on Lebron. And when Lebron
wants to make something work, he usually makes it work.
So we can sit here and say they didn't talk
about it. Whatever. We can act like Lebron doesn't have
anything to do with the hiring, or that doesn't mean
that he'll be back. We know Lebron will be back.
(11:26):
We know he has something to do with the hiring,
and even if it's more perception than reality, he's got
to make this thing work. Otherwise, this is Lebron's handpick guy.
This is the guy who did the podcast with Lebron.
If it doesn't work with him, it won't work with anybody,
all right. Coming up next time, Doug gotlip feeling in
for Colin. This is the Herd. The Dallas Cowboys have
(11:48):
had quite the offseason.
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Appy in for Colin. This is the Herd on Fox
Sports Radio on the iHeartRadio app Welcome in. John michaud
is going to join us momentarily covers the Cowboys for
the Athletic. But you had the story which so many
of us discussed yesterday, which is UH. You got a
head coach of Mike McCarthy who's becoming frustrated with the
UH with how much he has to deal with Jerry Jones.
(12:24):
You have Dak Prescott who appears to be playing in
a kind of prove it year for his next contract.
You got some stuff there to get to. Right. Also,
we'll talk to NBA draft Mark Medeena is going to
join us next hour. Ryan Hollins in the third hour.
We've got a good amount of good amount of things
to discuss. Let's welcome in, John, Mishode. He joins us.
(12:45):
He covers the Cowboys for the Athletic I am Doug
Gottlieb being for Colin. This is the hurd Fox Sports Radio,
iHeart Radio app and John. Let's just start with with
Mike McCarthy. How is he viewed by the Cowboys press.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
I think he's viewed as a guy that they like
a lot of things that he's done and that he's
had success at a certain level. But I think that
it's pretty obvious there's some disappointments that they haven't done
more in the postseason. If they had, he wouldn't be
going under his final year of his contract, and so
that's what it comes down to. That's what he was
hired for. It was to get past where Jason Garrett
(13:25):
was going, which was, you know, he'd have one good
season one down season. They get in the playoffs when
making deeper on bringing Mike McCarthy thinking that this will
be the answer, We'll finally make a deep run. And
he's had some really good teams, but ultimately because he
hasn't been able to do it in the playoffs, that's
why he's sitting here in a final year of his deal.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
How does their roster look in comparison to or alongside
with how they want to play.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Yeah, I mean, it's still a good roster, that's the thing.
There's a lot of doom and gloom with the Cowboys
right now because they didn't do much in the off season.
It might have been the least that they've ever done
in enough season franchise in history. So it's not going
to be a better team on paper than it was
last year. And so you know, if you're following the team,
why would you think it's going to be any different
in the postseason if you don't have a better roster
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and they're just they're expecting a lot of second third
year jumps from guys that frankly, there's a lot that's
a lot of hope. You don't know for sure if they're.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Going to do that.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
And then obviously you need guys like Dak and CD
and Michael Parsons to play their best ball in January
and that hasn't happened either. But on paper, it's still
one of the better rosters in the NFL. It's still
a team that should be making the playoffs. But the
problem is whether they win nine games or fifteen there's
really no reason to believe in them, and so you
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see them do something in January.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
No question about it. What about Dak? Obviously, a disastrous
first half against the Green Bay Packers ultimately did him
in in the last year, going to the last year of
his deal. Where does he stand with the franchise.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
They I have never been told anything negative about Dak
by anybody in the franchise, honor, off the record, never once.
That doesn't matter how many drinks are being at. Where
was that nobody? I have never heard anybody say a
negative word about Dak. I just kind of wonder where
we sit today. If Jerry Jones is so frustrated by
the way the season ended. I mean that Green Bay loss.
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You're down thirty two midway through the fourth quarter. You
can argue that's the worst loss in Cowboys history. Deck
didn't play great. It's not his it's not all on
him that they lost. But there's a part of me
to think that Jerry he needs to see more from
Dak in year nine to want to give him that
big fifty five to sixty million dollars a year contract.
And if you're Dak Prescott, you're probably fine with waiting
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on that because if you don't get it from the Cowboys,
you're going to get it from another team if they
let him go to free agency. Even if he gets
hurt he got hurt before his last contract that he's
ending ankle injury in twenty twenty, still got his monster
deal with everything that you could possibly want, the no
trade clause, no franchise tag. So he's in a great
spot because he's going to get his money regardless. I
think he would prefer to get it from the Cowboys,
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but I think the Cowboys and mainly it comes down
to Jerry because he's the one making the decisions at
the end of the day. I think I think ultimately
he wants to see more from Dak in the postseason,
and he's not going to stay that publicly, but the
actions speak louder in words, and the actions are he
doesn't have a new contract yet.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, I think I would agree with you, and you
know more than I do. But just outside looking in,
you have to want more from him in the postseason.
Look at San Francisco two years ago in Green Bay
this year, neither neither were were good. The story out
I think yesterday was McCarthy growing increasingly frustrate over Jerry
Jones meddling. I mean, you didn't know Jerry Jones are
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gonna meddle. You know, It's like John, I look at
this as like the janitor going, I can't believe I
have to clean up bathrooms. You did know that that's
part of janitorial services, right, don't. I don't really understand.
Maybe you can help us out because you know this
this group on a day to day basis. What do
you make of this story that McCarthy is growing tired
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of Jerry Jones meddling?
Speaker 6 (17:03):
Well, I'm sure. Well, when I first saw the story,
one of the first things I thought of was, you
can say that probably about every single coach it's ever
coach under Jerry Jones with the Dallas Cowboys, there's just
things that he does that are going to frustrate you. Now,
I will say, I don't think that these things surprised
McCarthy now as much as maybe they did in twenty
twenty twenty twenty one when he first took over, especially
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coming from an organization like Green Bay that's run completely
different than this one. And so because of that, I
know that there were some things that surprised him, But
I don't think it's anything any different than any coach
would have. I mean, it goes from the fact that
you know, your owner and general manager talks three times
a week during the season, twice on the radio, once
after games. I mean, when Jerry talks after games and
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he comes to a locker room, you know there's a
good fifteen twenty thirty people around him, and there's sometimes
that's going on. Well, Michel McCarthy's doing his postgame press conference,
there might only five people in there, and that's gonna
wear on any coach because they want to be the
one that's putting out that message, especially after a big loss.
But Garry's out there holding court for fifteen twenty minutes
because he provides a lot of, you know, intriguing information.
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So there's one thing there. The other is nobody has
more access to a team media wise than the Cowboys
in terms of there's always cameras around, there's tours always
around the facility. Their practice fields are on the outside,
are in between two you know, fifteen story buildings that
you don't know exactly everybody who's watching your practices, and
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so there's always going to be that part of you know,
do we have to go inside to work on certain
things because we don't know who's who's watching this stuff
go on. And I mean, if you have subscription Netflix,
you know there's always something Cowboys related that's on there.
I don't think cameras follow around a team behind the
scenes more than this team. And these are all things
that just don't go on at other organizations, and so
you have to deal with a lot more here. And
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so I can see where anybody that knows mich McCarthy
would think, Kay, he gets fought up with certain things.
But at the same time, I would say the only
thing that would be new to right now, which be
the fact of hey, maybe just because hey, he's going
under the final year of his contract, and he probably
feels like, hey, I've won twelve games each the last
three regular seasons. Only the Chiefs have won more. Why
don't I have a new contract. I can see a
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coach being frustrated with that, But then the Cowboys will
come back and say, well, you know, we need more
wins in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Speaking of young quarterbacks and new contracts, Justin Herbert's new
contract finally takes place this year, trying kicks in kind
of this year. What do you think about the fit
with Harbaugh's system and coaching.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
I think it's going to be fascinating because I think
with a Justin Herbert type, you look at it from
a perspective of, oh, well they're just going to throw
the ball over the yard and score a bunch of
points and try and out score everyone. Well, that's not
really Jim Harbaugh's style. And so I think in a
way it might where you see Justin Herbert's numbers maybe
come down a little bit more, and maybe they aren't
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you know, the great fantasy numbers all the time. I
do think that he's gonna his system is go to
help them. Jim Harbaugh system is going to help them
win more games. And so maybe maybe maybe it doesn't
look as good on the back of Harvaugh's I mean,
on the back of Justin's football card. But I do
think that Harbaugh is gonna have success in the NFL.
I do think that he's in a good situation there.
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So yeah, I don't I don't see any reason why
to think other other than that.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
No, I don't. I don't see any reason to think
other than that. Either. You know, they don't necessarily have
the weapons at wide receiver, but it does look like
with Greg Roman, we know they're going to try and
run the football, take some pressure off of him, of
him that way. Okay, So last thing, kind of circling
back to the Cowboys. Tyron Smith no longer there. The
strength to this group for a long time was not
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just the skill positions. It was upfront. The older offensive
line aged out, what's left to protect Dak Prescott.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
They still got some good players. I mean, Zach Martin
still has gas left in the tank. He's still one
of the best guards in the league. And then Tyler
Smith is arguably one of the best guards in the
as well. So you have outstanding guards play. The issue
is that tackle. You could be starting a rookie and
Tyler Guidon at left tackle and and I don't I
mean unless you're taking one of these tackles in the
top ten, if you're getting a tackle at falls you know,
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to the bottom twenties or out of the first round,
there's gonna be some growing pains the idea that they're
just not This isn't Joe Alt, you know, So there's
gonna be some issues there. I think where there's gonna
be some times where they're gonna have to do some
of our things to get some extra protection over there
to help Deck blindside. But I think ultimately, as much
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as anybody can criticize the Cowboys for a lot of things,
the one thing you really can is what they've done
drafting offensive linemen in the first round. They've had a
lot of success doing that, and so I do think
ultimately Guitan will be the answer. I left tackle, just
it might come with some growing pains early on. And
then the other is just center. I mean, they let
Tyler Baddish sign with Washington and free agency, and they
drafted Cooper bed out of Kansas State, who's played mostly
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guard a kansasitate. Now they're going to hope that, you know,
he can be their future potentially at center, and so
I just those are two positions where we're used to
seeing the Cowboys offensive line being one of the best
in the league, and I just think you're gonna see
some more growing pains from this group. And that's obviously
not ideal for Mike McCarthy in the final year of
his contract, Deck in the final year of his contract,
So it'll be interesting. I think ultimately that these guys
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will be the right guys those positions. I just think
early on there might be some improp.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Spots Sean, great stuff, awesome insight. I cannot tell you
how much I appreciate you join us and enjoy your work.
Thanks to our guest in the Herd, Thank you for
having me m all this. John Michoda of course, covers
the Dallas Cowboys and the NFL for the Athletic and
he joins us here in the Herd. Let's get to
Ryan Music with the news.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
No, no, this is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Hello Ryan, Good morning, Doug. Good to be with you
here on the Herd. Let's turn our attention from the
NFL to the NBA. The Warriors are facing a tough
decision with Klay Thompson as its contract is up and
his potential exit in free agency. Here is Golden State
general manager Mike Dunleavy Junior, saying they want Clay back,
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but it's complicated.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
I'm reasonable and rational, That's how I'm always going to operate.
But to say, like a guy like Klay Thompson, who's
messed so much this franchise, to completely strip the emotion
away from it, I think that's almost impossible. But you know,
this is a business, and we will talk through things.
We continue to talk through things, and you know, like
I said, we're hopeful, but you know, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We got to we've got to figure things out.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
And that's just the everybody has. Everybody has a limit
to what you're wanting to spend. And this is why
I've never liked radio segments that and you don't do this.
Ryan and Jason Stewart, my producer for my show, who's
in with us today as well, he doesn't do it either,
but we all know it's been done. Where you go like, well,
would you trade Klay Thompson? What are you offering me
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in return? Would you resign Klay Thompson? What is the dollar?
You know, all these things matter definitely, And I think
what you're hearing from Mike Dunleeve is like, look, do
we want him back? Yeah, Clay Dompson can still play.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, I mean, can't be a way.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Your top three score, top three players.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I mean he's not quite the same elite two way
player he once was by any means, but he's still effective.
I mean, of course, yeah, he averaged he just.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Has to be your fifth best starter. Okay, fifth best starter,
may fourth, fifth best starter. And again instead of building
around the fact he's your best defensive player, he's still good. Yeah, Okay,
he's still good. There's nothing wrong with him. He's just
not a star anymore. And he can't pay a guy
who's not a star star money because it just limits you.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Right, he's just not twenty seven years old and can
play on the other team's all star players, so that
Steph Curry can just go out there and run the
entire offense and not be a complete and total liability.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Right, Plus he can't score the way he used Yeah, okay,
but now now can he get you fourteen to fifteen
a night? Yes, yeah, Kenny.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Guard, Yes, I mean even in a down year last
year he averaged just under eighteen a game, shot fifty
percent from the field and thirty nine from three.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Now he had a.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Really three was a little three was a little down. Yeah,
But can can you expect him in the life of
a three year contract to average somewhere, you know, to
the fourteen to sixteen a game, Yes, absolutely, and be
efficient doing it. Sure, it's he just won't get to
those nights of thirty thirty five nearly as often.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Right, Yeah, he's not going to drop thirty six in
a quarter dribbling the ball four times or whatever he
did that one time against I think it was the Kings. Yeah, yeah,
those days are over, and I mean I think really
what this also comes down to is the other side
of the equation, which is what is it the Clay wants.
Is Clay looking for that big payday and for him
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to be a member of a team where he can
still be that number two option. Well, if that's the case,
then it's probably not going to be in Golden State.
But you know, maybe a team that has young talent,
like we keep hearing the Orlando Magic, maybe they are
willing to go there for Clay. But then that means
he has to then value that role that night in
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a night out position over finishing his career with the Warriors,
because I think it's pretty clear that the Warriors are
not willing to probably give him that top tier money
that he may be looking for right.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Now, nor should they be, right, That's just that would
be bad business, bad business. And I think hiring Dunlevy
that helps because he hasn't been with him the whole time.
I'm sure. I'm sure Clay. Everybody's got an ego. His
egos could probably got to be be hurt by it. Yeah,
But the reality is, I don't think we're saying anything
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that people don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I mean, I think people he's washed.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
He's not washed, sure, sure, but I do think people
feel this sort of you owe it to him loyalty
because of what he means to the organization. I mean,
like we've heard people will say this about the late
Kobe Bryant and the way he finished his career with
the Lakers, and that they owed it to him. Now,
Kobe's a little different than Clay, but in that same
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idea is that he's done so much for the organization,
you should be able to just give him what he's
asking for at this point in his career. But I
don't think that's what makes the Warriors the Warriors. Yeah,
that's a great point.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
How that were for Lakers? You know, at some point,
like you're yet, yes, you want to honor what he's
done and treat him with great respect, and if it's
even close, right, if it's even close, Yeah, I mean
you're throwing some more money here. But he's not a
Max player, right, he's just nah, can't give Max player money,
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you know. So, yeah, his ego is gonna be a
little bit hurt by it. Okay, that's called getting older.
Just is you know, sometimes you got to suck it
up and go like like, is it really that bad
a thing to make thirty million dollars instead of fifty
million dollars?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
All right, let's do Let's turn back to the NFL.
You mentioned this briefly there with John Mishoda, but the
Jets added eight time Pro Bowl left tackle Tyron Smith
from the Cowboys to help fortify that offensive line for
Aaron Rodgers. In order to try and keep Smith upright
for this upcoming season. The Athletic is reporting that the
Jets plan for training camp to be heavy on rest
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days for Smith.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah. I mean, look, there's the guy who is the
best in the business, but his time is done and
maybe sort of passed a lot of times. And this
is like the Bill Belichick thing, right, Guys that he
trade away or released, you know, or allowed to be
signed away. Those guys usually had one good year and
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then kind of off into the sunset. We'll see if
Tyron Smith has one good year. Yeah, you know, the
thing is he's been her lot and I remember, yes,
he's gonna have rest days. Well, you got Aaron Rodgers
who he may have some rest days too, but he's
missing some of what I think is valuable time with
some new teammates. So I you know how it all
comes together in a perfect world, Tyron Smith returns to
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prime Tyron Smith with Aaron Rodgers, and if you give
him time, he's still awesome. But man, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, I completely agree with a lot of those points
you are saying. Normally, I'm not going to make too
big a deal out of something like this that a
veteran is getting rest days and not necessarily participating day
in and day out of training camp. But Aaron barely
played last year. He's never played with Tyrone Smith. And
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in addition to Smith, in total, they have three out
of their five projected starting offensive linemen are new to
the Jets and have never played together. So, as a
general rule, when we tend to see what makes elite
O lines across the NFL, it's continuity and chemistry, which
is something that this team is clearly clearly lacking at
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offensive line. Not to mention you touched on it, Tyron Smith,
who has had a great career, hasn't played more than
thirteen games in a season since twenty sixteen. So this
is sort of falls in line with sometimes the discussion
that we have with NBA and load management, like, okay,
how effective is load management? I know you don't want
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to play the guy too much, but then what's the
balance between something like what we saw with the Clippers
at times, which is like these guys don't really ever
play together and then you just expect them to turn
it on at some point. So certainly going to be
a challenge for the Jets this training camp and heading
into the suburb.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
So I'm buying a used land Cruiser, right, that's that's
a used range Rover. Excuse me, right, use range rumber
Where I mean when it's when a range Rover is,
you know, fresh out of the factory, Like, dude, that
thing drives like a dream engine, is cool, whatever, but
you know, you get some miles on it, we know
(31:09):
how those things act and react, and he's just not
that guy anymore. So the older range Rover is not
nearly as appealing as the some of the other cars
that are older. And we'll just see what the percentage
of the thing that changes as you get older is
the percentage of games in which you're the old you, right,
you know, and if you get in your thirties as
a left tackle, you've been carrying all that weight for
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that many years and you've suffered through a bunch of injuries.
It's the can you be? Can you be Tyrone Smith
one in two games, one in three, or one in four,
one in five. That's the real challenge.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
And we'll wrap up with this. Forty nine Ers and
Brandon I. You continue to be at odds over a
new contract. Super Bowl champion and ESPN analyst Ryan Clark
reported that you met with the forty nine ers yesterday
about said contract and also added this When Clark recorded
an interview with Ayuk recently, he showed up with see
Washington Commander's number two overall pick quarterback Jaden Daniels, his
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former teammate at Arizona State. This also now on the heels,
of course, of that TikTok video of are you talking
to Daniels on FaceTime expressing that he feels as though
the forty nine ers don't want him.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Well, here's the problem. He's under contract. That's a fair
to make forty million dollars this year. That's that's what
the that's what the breakdown is.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
And you know it's the club option. Technically he's an
unrestricted free agent at the end of next year, but
because he was a first round draft pick, I believe
they can franchise type they want and again and again
and again. So look, we've seen plenty of wide receivers
be sent packing, but this is the year where he
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wants a long term extension. And the question is for
Brandon Ayuk and this is it's a real it's a
real one. I understand you're in a place where you're
probably thinking, I'm not going to catch one hundred and
twenty balls in a year. You're just not. And he
doesn't have the versatility of a debot, and they already
paid debot sabment.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
The question becomes, you know, you got to just be
very very cautious of getting so upset and making too
big of a stink of it so that that it
doesn't become an option. And the Niners can really screen
if they want to, they can really screet. They can
trade you la to a team that you don't want
to get traded to which a lot of different things
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they can do. But in the meantime, let's just remember
he's still under contract and they can have him under
contract for three more years they want with no negotiation.
And that's why music with the News.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Heard Line News.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
All right. Coming up next time, Doug Golly feeling in
for Colin. I'll tell you why you just don't care
about the NBA Draft this week next in.
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Speaker 3 (34:38):
Stuck gott lab In for Collin, this is the Herd
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Welcome, Welcome,
Welcome in. Look I in regards to the NBA draft,
which do you guys know the NBA draft? Just tomorrownight,
And it's it's really interesting because when you think of drafts,
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obviously the football draft has far overshadowed down the NBA
draft for probably since the Lebron Draft. I mean, like
last year Victor webn Yama. It wasn't as big a
thing as maybe should have been. But now you start
to realize, holy cow, that guy could very easily become
the best player in the league in the next three
to five years. Right. But it's interesting, you know, it
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feels like we've overmined a resource. It feels like we've
overmined a resource and you know, pick whatever you want.
I mean, this is like the Chilean sea bass. In
Chilean sea bess actually endangered. Now you'll go to a restaurant,
he'll say Chilean sea bass, and you're not eating Chilean
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sea bass because I believe Chilean sea bass are endangered
because we overfished it, and that's what we've done with
with the college game, really and I do think there
will be some evening out. So the G League Unite
has been an abject disaster. It's really interesting. You know,
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for twenty six years, the WNBA lost money, and what
people should know is it's not subsidized nearly as much
by the NBA. Those teams are individually owned, so it's
not as bad. But the fact is that the G
League Uknite was always a money loser. It lasted like
five years and it was gone. The WNBA lasted twenty
five years and was not gone. But the G League
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Knight is going away. Players are being compensated, some handsomely
so to stay in college. There is the opportunity to
go to Australia and some overseas teams, although I think
with the money people are making in college, they won't leave.
They'll go to college. It's smart, rightfully so, but we
have quite obviously overmined the resource of college athletics in
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that I mean, you can't name half the guys in
the first round. You've never seen them play, you don't
know who they are. And I think that one of
the parts that is missing to the discussion, which has
always been missing to the discussion, is that the NBA
does play a massive role in the minimization of the
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importance of college athletics college basketball. You know, just they
just do. They play a massive, massive role in it.
And you know, Adam Silver can sit there and say
like their problems are not our problems, and now that
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players can be compensated whatever. Again, I think it's ultimately
gonna work out because players are gonna stay in college
longer because many of the borderline ones understand I can
make more money than I can't stay in it, and
then potentially going overseas or playing in the G League,
and that G League stuff will always be there for me,
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that's the perception. But diminishing the value of college, what
you get is you get unfinished products. And but more
than anything, forget about whether unfinished products as players or
as people. They don't have a following. And there was
an article Steve Kerr wrote, and this is going back
to his days, I believe when he was still the
general manager of this of the Suns. It may have
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been when he was a broadcaster where he talked about
the fact that, like the NBA needs players to stay
into college more. If we think back in our lifetime,
very few players have come out in the one and
done era. I can think of two that had a
gigantic following. One was Zion Williamson, the other one was
Kevin Durant. Outside of that, most of the guys who
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were one and done, they didn't have the following. You know,
it actually helps the NBA's business when I mean, look
a look at what's happened with the WNBA with Klan Clark.
Is Caitlin Clark the reason the league is on fire, yes,
But a good portion of it was the fact that
she stayed and played this past year. I don't believe
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she could have come out the previous year after three
years chose not to. Now she could have stayed too
long and gone back for another year. That would wouldn't
have made sense. Now, all her records are clean and valid,
and we don't have to throw out that she played
an extra year. But the fact is that we learned
about her. I don't know when you learned about her.
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I learned about Caitlin Clark about mid season, not this
past year, the year before and then she goes to
a championship game and there's all the theatrics with Angel Reese.
Had that been it, had we only gotten to know
Caitlin Clark over that month long month and a half
two month long period of time, wouldn't have had nearly
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the same effect. But because she came back for ational year,
everybody knows what Caitlin Clark is. Everybody followed her and
many of you watched her play a regular season game
in college. People are watching the WNBA now who made
fun of it for twenty five years, And the fact
is that the men's game has gone the opposite route
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and it's gotten the opposite sort of effect. Women's basketball
is on fire because you know all these even Angel
reeson again. I'm not one of these guys who thinks
anybody's tuning in to go, oh my Angel Rechi is play,
let's turn out. But the fact is you know who
she is. Why because she was part of the conversation
of basketball for two consecutive years. We don't have that
in the NBA. All these guys, let me just get
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out as soon as I can. But part of what
makes it work is when people know who you are
and so they follow you. That's why the college system
has worked for football. Obviously a different collective bard In
agreement for three years, but you build up a following.
People know who you are. Worst draft ever, no question.
(41:04):
But part of it is we've overmined this resource. I'm
Doug Gottlieben for Colin coming up in the herd. Did
you watch Game seven in the Stanley Cup playoffs last night?
If you did not, I'm gonna tell you what you
should appreciate most about hockey that's up coming next time,
Doug Gottlieb, This is the hurd
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