December 8, 2025 • 35 mins
Doug talks about the college football playoff and the reaction to the committee's decision making as Notre Dame is on the outside looking in and Doug thinks they have the right to be upset. Doug welcomes former Chargers' GM Tom Telesco onto the show to discuss Shedeur Sanders, the Chiefs and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Dough through a game of "Big Deal, Little Deal or No Deal?".
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you're having a great day. At an unbelievable weekend, right,
big time college football, big time pro football, got a
lot to talk about. We had a lot to talk about.
I mean, I don't even know because the sports counter
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is so weird, right, like mondays are really hard to
talk about college football. We're gonna start by talking about
college football, but we're not going to talk about the
fact that Ohio States kicker missed like a two yard
field goal to tie the Big Ten Championship game, which
is a stunner. And Indiana and Kurt Signetty literally called
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his shot, called his shot two years ago when he
got and he's done it. It's remarkable. And yet I
and Indiana is the number one seed. It's not really
where we want to go with it, but I just
I want you to take a snapshot. I don't know
if there is any more kind of bizarro sign of
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the times and how college sports is evolving in that
Indiana when we finally have a college football tournament, if
you will, is the number one seed. And they played
Ohio State in the Big Ten Championship, they played at Oregon,
won both those games. They're undefeated, right. They did beat
Penn State. Granted it was after Penn State lost its quarterback,
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lost its coach, but whatever, they won those games. Indiana
is the number one team in the country and the
regular season is complete. That is if that is crazy
crazy crazy, but it's not the topic of the day.
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It remains in the state of Indiana. It's the fact
that No. Tra Dame is not in the College Wall Playoff,
is not in the College Wall Playoff. Why is that? Well?
I mean, do we really need to to put it
out there? The college Football Playoff, which of course was
announced yesterday, and the College Wall Playoff bracket is out
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and James Madison is in, James Madison is in, Tulane
is in. Both of them are losing their coaches. Here's
where we as media, we just wear the worst, right
like James Madison and or as fans, you're the worst.
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James Madison and Tulane they've both lost their coaches and
yet they're still playing in the College Wall Playoff. And
it wasn't made to a big deal that their coaches
are coaching their team in the College Wall Playoff. But
Ole Miss it was made into a massive, massive deal.
And Lane Kiffin can't coach, but his head, his offensive coordinator,
Charlie Weis Junior, can coach. But we're here. Don't kid yourself.
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We're here because we're trying to be fair in a
completely unfair sport. That's what we're trying to do. We're
trying to be fair in an unfair sport. That's the
reality of it. The reality. It's not to say that
Tulane and James Madison couldn't win a game, but there
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is literally point zero zero zero zero zero zero zero
one percent they could win three games, and no one
disagrees with me. And they're not built for that. They
just are not. Because the attrition of every game in
a college football playoff is going to be so great
that by the time if they could ever even get
to the semi finals, it'd be hard for them to
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field the team. And because those two spots are taken
by automatic qualifiers from the we call it the Power five,
which again it's kind of laughable. We call it the
power five when you got the Power four, but it's
not even really the Power four. It's really the power too,
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and then the next two and then everybody else. That
doesn't really matter what it is. So, because we want
so badly to replicate the NCAA tournament where we have
this Cinderella even though the sports are very very different,
we jam into teams that they've had great seasons, they've
been great turnaround stories, and they have good talent. Son
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of the James Madison's not good. Now, the two lane's
not good. They're just not one of the twelve best
teams in the country, and no one's really arguing that.
So when you're trying to play to different masters, if
you will, Hey, we're trying to find the twelve best teams.
But we got to get these teams in that we
know don't really belong with that group. But how do
we make it all work? This is what we come
up with. And it's really interesting. What I'm going to
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say I know to be true. Nobody's told me to
say it. Nobody said, hey, you know, he help us
out here. Talk about Notre Dame because you went there.
I went there and I had to leave, So I
have no I do have a love for DOTIM. I
think it's a spectacular place, a special place. But it's
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not because of that. It's because I live in the
real world of college athletics that I'm gonna tell you.
Notre Dame has said and done everything exactly the way
I would do it. They have every right to be
pested at the ACC, every right, every single right to
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be ticked off at the ACC, and they're smart to
not playing a bowl game because they're saving us all
from inevitably saying, well, Notre Dame, should they have been in?
Should they not be in? Let's see how they play
in the bowl game. When half the guys don't play.
It's like the Florida State thing. Florida State should I
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didn't think they should have got into College Wall playoff
two years ago, but they didn't have their quarterback, and
then half the guys don't play. Then they lose in
the ball game, and they're like, see, Florida State's a phony.
Like no, they I didn't think they were good enough,
but half their guys didn't play. The bowl games have
gone away. The only thing they're really there for now
is guys that want to put something on tape to leave,
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or guys that are freshmen. They're gonna get a shot
in the bowl game and they wouldn't get a shot otherwise.
And you're trying to develop your culture while having a
great trip. But the bowl games no longer mean anything,
and Notre Dame actually separated themselves as a serious college
football program. Hey, we're just in to win a championship.
We got to the finals last year. We lost two
close games. This year felt like we should have probably
beat A and M didn't do it, got left out.
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We're not gonna fake it and go to a bowl
game when that's not what we're playing for and that's
not what anybody cares about anymore. And half the players
don't play anymore, and we're not gonna be judged on
our season when half of our team is not gonna
play in a meaningless bowl game. And even if they
do play in the bowl game, won they risk injury?
Notre Dame has had that a traumatic injury about a
decade ago in the Cotton Bowl. And then two I
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think they had one to copy last year actually in
the College Wall Playoff. They had a big injury in
the in the game against Indiana. And then two who
they play against, maybe even they have all their guys.
The team they play against probably gonna have half their guys.
So what are we doing? I don't know everything about
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college athletics, even coaching in college athletics, but I do
know what Pete Bavaqua said is true, Like there's some
unwritten rules that everybody knows about conferences, Right, you can
criticize somebody within your own conference. Dan's a gigantic, big
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ten fan, so he can talk trash on well, Michigan
may be the one that he doesn't care if everybody
talks trash about, but generally don't say anything bad about
the Big Ten or my Big Ten brethren, because on
some level he's an Ohio State fan. Right as an
Ohio State fan. If you take shots at the league,
that kind of takes shots at the credibility of the program.
It's just not done. Just not done. You know, I'm
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in the Horizon League, and even though our commissioner has
left and it's a vacated position, enough to go. I'm
not going to criticize any other program or what they do,
how they do because they're in our league. That's your conference, brethren.
Here's Peter Vaka. Earlier today he was on with Dan Patrick.
He had this to say about the ACC.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
We're frustrated with the process, not the teams. They're all
great teams, and it's a bunch of teams. BYU has
a great argument, Texas, Vanderbilt, Miami, Alabama, Notre Dame. We
all have great arguments. It's the process that bothers us.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Well, those ranking shows bother me, Pete, because well they.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Bothered me too. Because you know, if we just said, well,
if we had assembled as a team on Sunday and
rankings hadn't told us for the previous weeks, we're in,
we're in, We're in. Take care of business, take care
of business. And hey, you know what, Notre Dame, you're
eleven and now you're going to get squeezed out because
of the conference tie ins and Miami beat you, and hey,
I get it, But these ranking shows, as I said yesterday,
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like what's the point why kind of send these signals
and get the ho hep up of these teams, these coaches,
these kids on the team that believe they're doing everything necessary.
And then, like I said, it just felt in that
room a collective sense of the rug being taken out
from under us without any explanation that I've heard Dan
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that has me feeling better about it. I have tremendous
respect for Miami, you know, great team, great school, but
we were mystified by the actions of the conference to
attack you know, their biggest really business partner in football
and a member of their conference in twenty four of
our other sports. I wouldn't be honest with you if
I didn't say that they have certainly done permanent damage
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to the relationship between the conference and Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I will point out that while I believe he's right,
and I'm going to give him a pass because I
don't think that he manages Notre Dame's social media, Notre
Dame on Saturday, when the Big twelve championship game was
being played, they posted the logo of Texas Tech on
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Notre Dame's social media sites. Okay, now that doesn't mean
they don't have to. It's they're Catholic. They don't have
to support Mormons. They can say whatever they want about
respecting BYU and their opponents or whatever. That was a
little gamesmanship. We're cheering for, you know, we're cheering for
Texas Tech because if Texas Tech wins, we feel like
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we're in, which is what most people thought. Only it
didn't happen that way. So there is a slight lack
of professionalism. And I will totally grant you can. At
a school that big, that prestigious, I'm guessing Pete Levaqua
doesn't manage or micro manage the social media handle of
the football program. But there was a little little there.
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Now but now BYU's not a conference brethren, not a
conference foe. They do occasionally play Notre Dame in a series,
and so maybe that goes out the window. I don't know.
What I do know is he's right, the ACC you
can't do it the overall overwhelming support of well they're
a full time member, Like, come on, man, what are
we doing here? You know, if Miami is good enough,
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Miami's good enough, it doesn't have to be Miami versus
Notre Dame. I would also point out that the constant
reruns of Miami Notre Dame on the ACC network is
not under the control of the ACC. It's really under
the control of ESPN. And oh yeah, by the way,
it's kind of brilliant. Play the best games. See you
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watch them all over again, because there's been a lot
of bad games this year in college football. But you
can't give support to one and not the other. You
don't criticize or take shots at anybody who's in any
way associated with your conference. You just don't do that.
You just don't do that. Said the Doug Gotlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Tradio. I think they're right. I
think the ACC was wrong. I think they belonged in
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I don't know about not hearing a you know, not
hearing an explanation. I think you know the explanation they took.
They took the tulane and they got squeezed out. Tulane
and JMU they got squeezed out. That's the I don't
think that's the problem with process. I think that's the
problem with the fact that we were trying to be
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fair in a completely unfair system, in an unfair sport.
They don't let you go like, hey, Alabama, you're way
better than this opponent, so you got to play with
ten guys because that's fair. They don't do that. They
don't say, hey, Ohio State, you have thirty million in nil.
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This school you're playing only has five, so you're not
gonna be able to play guys. That twenty five extra million.
You can't play guys. It's an unfair sport, especially the
attrition of it. So we're trying to make it fair
by putting JMU in there and probably putting Tulane in there.
Doesn't make any sense, and it is not It is
actually unfair to the idea of we're trying to find
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twelve teams, either try and find the twelve best teams
or or make it fair, and I'd say fair with
the air quotes from friends fair And if you make
it fair, you're not going to have the twelve best teams,
which is what you have here, which is what you
have here. And oh yeah, by the way, it does
give credence to what we've all all said is it
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doesn't matter if you have two teams, four teams, six teams,
eight teams, twelve teams, sixteen teams. Whoever is team three?
If you're going for two back in the day five,
when you're going for four thirteen, and you're going for twelve,
seventeen and eighteen, and you're going for sixteen, they're all
going to be ticked, and they're all going to have
legitimate arguments, and somebody won't get in. But in this case,
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Notre Dame, they're not wrong. They have every right to
be ticked to the ACC and they're smart to not
play in a bowl game which is completely and utterly meaningless.
And the only thing it can do is cap off
what was a great season with a loss with half
your team, when it just feels like it doesn't feel
like a real football game. The bull season was killed
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with the College full of playoff expansion. That's just the
reality of it. Everybody knows it, and oder know the
Dame is owning it, owning it.
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this weekend? Schador Sanders, What we learn from Packers Bears,
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Tom Telesco. He joined just He's the former Chargers and
Raiders general manager, and he joins us every Monday and
tells this what we really really should know from this
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past weekend. Let's work backwards Packers Bears. Now that we've
seen the Bears in the past two games against playoff
caliber competition, what's your read on how good the Bears
actually are.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
I definitely think they're a playoff team, and I think
yesterday you could see they really are a team like
Capital Letters team and not a team that just is
going to rely on their quarterback to bail them out
when they have to. I mean, they have an identity
on offense, especially with the running game. Their offensive line
has been strong, the defense has played well, so I
thought that was really for both teams, the Packers and
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the Bears. There's a lot of positive that came out
of that game. But from the Bear standpoint, they just
have a real identity, which in the playoffs you need
and obviously in the playoffs, there's a good chance you're
going to play in the elements, and they can do
that with their running game. And then I know Caleb
has not been as consistent as you would like, but
when they need a play he can put he can
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put his cape on when he has to make a
playoffs side the pocket. He saw that yesterday. So I
was really impressed with the Bears, and I think as
he moved down the stretch this month, as they kind
of keep improving on offense in the passing game, which
they're going to have to do, but I thought they
went toe to toe with the Packers and I think,
you know, both are going to be strong in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Okay, Chador Sanders, you were really pressed two weeks ago
this week, what's your impression?
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Yeah, I still am And I know a lot of
people probably didn't watch this game beginning to end, but
I did. And you know, I understand the Titans on defense,
they're not great except for Jeffrey Simmons. But on the
flip side, the Browns offense, they don't have a lot
around Shador Sanders either. Their offensive line is below average
at best, and you know they have two rookies, Harrold
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Fan and the kish On Jenkins. Those two guys are
studs on offense, but other than that, they don't have
a lot. And I thought she did play outstanding. I
thought he stood in versus a rush. He can take
hits and deliver the ball. He showed really excellent accuracy,
and he can fetter the ball really when he has
to with touch especially down in the red zone. He
showed down the one touchdown throw. He can put pace
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on the ball when he has to, and you can
see the improvement as far as stepping up in the pocket,
knowing when to throw the ball away. And you know,
he had a bad interception that that he should have
thrown away, which kind of reminds you that, look, he's
still a rookie quarterback. But overall, playing in tough conditions,
he's almost four hundred yards of offense, four touchdowns. I
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just thought he was really impressive really from the beginning
to end, and you're seeing the development there. And this
is great that we can now see him hopefully the
next four games to see if he keeps improving. But
I thought you need a lot of NFL throws yesterday
that looks like a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What about
cam Ward if we redrafted this thing, would he still
going number one overall?
Speaker 6 (19:30):
That's a good question because what you see, you see,
all the flashes you saw on college, you still see
right now in the NFL. It's just feud and far between.
But what the hard part is with cam and the
same thing with Shador to a certain extent too, they
don't have enough talent around them yet. There's a reason
why the Titans were picking that high in the first place,
and offensive line skill positions, but they've had some injuries,
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obviously the head coaching change. He's in a real tough
spot right now. But you can see that athletic ability.
You can see the quick twitch, the way he gets
the ball out, and yeah, he still has all the
traits to be a top starting, starting quarterback in the NFL,
but he needs a lot more talent around him to
get there. It's going to take them a couple of
years probably to get enough talent there. But yeah, you
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could still see that he probably would be He probably
still would be the still first pick in the draft
if we did this all over again.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Stug otleb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Tom Telesco
is our guest. Of course, Tom was the GM of
the Raiders last year. Before that, eleven years the GM
of the San Diego and then La Chargers. Okay, some
post mortem on some teams who are quickly playing their
way out of the playoffs. I repeat, what is wrong
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with Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 6 (20:41):
I don't think much wrong with with Lamar. I'm not
so much concerned about him. I mean, I think he
had some injuries the last month that probably slowed them
down a little bit. But just as a team, they've
been disappointing this year now, the beginning of the year,
their whole team, they were decimated with injuries that kind
of come over that hump, but they just haven't. They
haven't gotten it going and really side of the ball,
and they've got some issues on offense right now. They've
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got they're built to run the ball, and they still
run the ball well, but their two offensive guards are
big power guards, but they're not great in past protection.
That's shown up a lot, and Lamar's had to move
around a lot more than you would like. And just
the skill positions at receivers, they flowers can only do
so much. You need some other compliment. And they don't
throw the ball a lot to be outside to the
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other receivers. There's not a lot of targets. You know,
it's mostly the tight ends in the middle of the field.
So you know, the offense is just a little bit
stagnant right now, but Lamar is Lamar. To me, I
don't see a decline in his play. And then defensively
there their defensive front was the one part that I
thought would be a concern this year. It's been a
bigger concern that I had anticipated. Their backstep is still
very good, but they've got some things in the offseason
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to work on there. There's Sarah Tyler Linderbaum, which is
outstanding player. He's a free agent. They got to figure
out the guards situation, and they've got to have to
have some more skill outside to go as they flowers,
just to give Lamar some more options times.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Less our guests in the Doug Gottlieb Show, how do
you explain what's happened to Pat Mahomes in that offense?
Speaker 6 (22:06):
Again, it's been really they've played the same way all year,
even the games they've won. It's just been a grind
just they just can't manufacture any big plays, which is
hard to imagine because they do have some speed at receiver.
They still have the homes. Obviously they have Andy Reid, who's,
you know, one of the best play callers in the league.
It's the big issue, and it's been an issue for
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a number of years, even when they're going to Super Bowls.
It's been the offensive wying to tackle at full spots,
and now they're playing with backups in those positions. That's
been an issue. But you know, when you have long
play drives, it takes you a long time to move
the ball down the field. It just increases your odds
and making a mistake. And they're just making more mistakes
than they ever have, and it's sometimes as snowballs players
that usually don't make them. There's a lot of drops,
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a lot of missed assignments. The defense, which has really
held in a lot of games the last couple of years,
hasn't been as strong, especially on third downs and not
getting off the field as much as they used to.
But again, I don't see this as a Mahome prom
but this is probably have to be a reset. You know,
this is a lot of years that they've been picking
very low in the draft and making a run every
year and bringing in some free agencies and trades for
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more on short term basis. But this may be a
little bit of a reset this year to get a
little bit younger on the defensive front, and you know,
just really start retool that offensive line, especially the tackle positions,
to get home a little bit more time.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Stuck out leap show here on Fox Sports, trader Tom
Telesco is our guest. You are uniquely qualified for these
next couple questions, right because you you very much lived this.
Let's start with the Indianapolis Colts. They they lost Daniel
Jones for the year with I don't know, has it
been reported as an achilles or we know it's it
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looks like a torn achilles, right, Okay, so the torn achilles. Okay,
You've worked with Shane stich In before. You actually was
interim offensive coordinator for a year before he left and
went to went to Philly. Right, who do you? Who
do you? How does it work here? We are we're
a December eighth. You've been in a similar situation where
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I gotta find a quarterback here? You know who's on
the street. And I got a potential playoff team. What's this?
What's the process?
Speaker 7 (24:12):
Like?
Speaker 2 (24:12):
How does it work well?
Speaker 6 (24:15):
At this point? Since you're past the trade deadline, you're
really your only chance is gonna have to be somebody
from your own roster at this point. Unless you just
get lucky and there's a quarterback who's on the street
who's been in a Shane Steak Upstiken offense before, I'd
have to look it up. For the chances are slim
so well.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I mean, you call Philip Rivers, get him out of retirement,
or or or you go any of the Philly backups
when he was there, I guess is the only other ones?
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Yeah, I don't know if you've seen Philip recently. I
mean he's coaching high school football think right now, So
I think that may not work. But look, I think
as as third quarterbacks go, and hopefully he's healthy, but
Riley Leonard, you could do worse than Riley Leonard because
when he has a side strength and athletic ability, he
could make some plays with his feet. And Shane's very
creative with the offensive scheme, and you're gonna have to
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rely on Jonathan Taylor and you're gonna see a lot
of Jonathan Taylor. Their offensive line is excellent now with
Riley Leonard. It was the same thing at Duke because
it wasn't Notre Dame look as a pastor decision making accuracy.
It's not quite NS already yet. But he's a big
time athlete and he's a leader. So he does give
them a fighting chance with their offensive line with Jonathan
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Taylor and with Shane Stichen. But at this point, with
four weeks ago in the year, to go outside your
team to find a quarterback to come in and start,
very highly unlikely.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Okay, Torod Taylor was your starter. You had drafted, you know,
you had drafted a guy who has now become an
absolute star for the for the LA Chargers, right, and
Justin Herbert. So Justin Herbert just had surgery on his hand,
and I guess he's gonna play. Before we get to Herbert,
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what was that like during his first start as the
general manager when you found out about the injection gone
wrong for Torod Taylor?
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Absolutely incredible because where I was up in the suite
arm break before kickoffs and none of us knew what
that happened, and that all happened right before kickoff, obviously
within like thirty seconds to a minute, and we see
Justin run onto the field and we're looking at each
other like, hey, you guys kind of holding this back
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of the secret, like absolutely not. So I looked down
and I saw Tarrod Taylor on the bench. I saw
them walking to Rod into the locker room, and honestly,
my first thought was, what's wrong with Tarad? So that's
so I was on the phone with the doctors downstairs
in the locker room through that situation. Out. I missed
the whole first series that Justin drove us down for
a score against Kansas City, missed the whole thing because
we're trying to figure out with Tarrod Taylor where he
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was and it was he okay. But the interesting whole
thing about that situation was this was the COVID year,
so there were no preseason games. There were no live
scrimmages against any other teams in the preseason, so Justin's
teammates and as coaches had never seen him play live.
They've seen him throw the ball in practice, they've seen him,
you know, in a practice of them, but never live.
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So his first play in that huddle was the first
time that eve ever seen him play live football and
him drive us down put a score in the end zone.
Was pretty cool. But situation obviously something I've never seen
of or been part of before, but it was kind
of a surreal experience.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
All right, So tonight, what are your expectations. Philly doesn't
have their best pass rusher, but still a dynamic defensive
line against the Chargers team that has sort of stabilizer
offensive line. But you know, down their two starting tackles
for the year, it's not great. They've been able to somehow,
you know, get it to this point at eight and four.
What do you think of the matchup?
Speaker 6 (27:42):
I think the biggest thing tonight is Omurray and Hampton
back in the lineup. He's a big time running back.
He's big, he's powerful, he runs with an identity with
his physicalness, but he also has some speed if you
can get out in space to finish run. So they're
gonna have to run the ball as well as they
can tonight. He's gonna give them a big jump, a
big boost. I think, thank you. I want to see
how Justin Herbert maneuver is in the like just with
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handoffs with this left hand. Rayn how he's going to
do that. I play at should pass where they work
under center at all, we'll all be out of shotgun.
I'm assuming it'll be on a shotgun, but we'll find
out tonight. But I think can't they could be a
big part of this. It's a playoff game for the Chargers,
no doubt. Eagles. I think they're good. They'll still be in,
but AFC is a little bit jumbled up right now.
This is a big time game for the Chargers tonight.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Awesome stuff, Tom, have a great weekend. Hope you had
a happy Thanksgiving and a merry Christmas to you and
your entire family. Thanks for our guests.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
You've got Doug any time. Take care.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
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Speaker 4 (29:11):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
What up, Dan? What do you got Doug?
Speaker 8 (29:20):
The game today is big deal, little deal, no deal,
big deal, little deal or no deal. That Isaiah Likely's
touchdown for the Ravens was ruled incompletes in yesterday's game
against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Oh that's a big deal. There's just no other way
around it. Games are that close and that thing, I mean,
that's a gigantic deal. Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
I'm sorry, Dan, No, I was just gonna say. There
is so much being made about this third step. There's
so much being made about what is a catch, what
is in a catch? And I think we all think
that holding the football and tucking it in is a
complete of the catch. But yesterday with Carrie Rhoades on
our Sunday Show, Carrie made this point. A few others
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who have actually played the game made the point as
well today that tucking it in isn't necessarily the safest
way to keep the football, which is what Isaiah Likely
did in this situation, and was holding it out so
it wouldn't be knocked away from him, and so like
that is a football play, but the rules in the
way that they're defined, don't characterize that.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
So it's a mess. It's a big mess. It does
remind me of the Virginia Florida State game, right it
was like second or third game of the year with
the Florida State kid. He bobbled it through the end
zone and then he had it, but then he adjusted it,
and after the adjustment, after it looked like he had it,
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then it wasn't a complete pass. But it's like he
caught the ball and then a jut.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
It's very hard, big deal, little deal or no deal
that the Bengals blew a ten point fourth quarter lead
to the Bills in a snowstorm.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Gigantic, gigantic. I mean, this is why Joe Burrow came
back and played. Obviously, T Higgins hitting his head on
the turf was terrible considering what he's gone through with concussions.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
He returned to the game, by the way, and then
today was putting concussion protocol. So yes, that was.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Weird because when he saw him hit it and he saw
him hold his head, You're like, ooh, that's not good.
Then he's back in the game. You're like wait, how so?
But sometimes they miss him when you try and see
him early on, and then you have a headache the
whole night. But it's a big deal. Big deal obviously,
playoff implications for the Bengals, playoff invocations for the Bills,
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and you know it's whatever you want to call it,
miraculous comeback or collapse, depending on which side of the
ale you.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Sit, big deal, little deal, or no deal. That the
Raiders kicked the field goal to lose by seven instead
of ten at the end of the game against the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Now, were they doing it so they get then on
side kick or they just doing it no cover?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Oh, time expired? They did it with five seconds left,
forty six yard field goal from Daniel Carlson. I encourage
you to check out Fox Sports Radio dot com, check
out Fox Sports Radio on x or at Dan Byer
on Fox on x I as this happened yesterday, explained
my thoughts on the deal. Feel that Pete Carroll wanted
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to shove it down the throats of all the Broncos
fans and make them lose their bet since that was
the only thing that he could win. And you know
that there were Broncos fans who probably placed bets on
the Broncos by minus eight or minus eight and a half.
I think that's exactly what Pete Carroll was doing.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I don't think that's what he's doing. I think he
was trying to lose by fewer points. I really think
that's what he's trying to do. You're like, well, I
could have thrown in the end zone, you know, or whatever.
I think he was in terms of take the shirt points.
It doesn't look as bad when you lose by seven.
I think that's right.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Can I bring in Jason Stewart for this, who I
always feel has a great critical eye? What did you
think on the Pete Carroll.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
Was an atrocious beat? And anyone who had money on
the Broncos has to question what's going on, Why there's
no reason to kick that field goal, and then also
there's a questionable call to even get them in field
goal range. The whole thing was extremely questionable.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
So you're you're going, you're going conspiracy, theoris it's.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Rigged, something is, something's up. This is not just a
coach trying to get the score closer.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I'm gonna I'm gonna say, because again, if you're doing
it for the lot for the line. Everybody gets fired,
just so we're aware if it ever comes out that
you were doing it because of the betting line. Everybody
gets fired.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
College coaches do it all the time. Though in college
football they they know what the line is. Yeah they do.
You know that, true, coach. But it's difficult when in
college football you're a big school. You know what the
line is, you know who is betting out.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
You know what the line is. But you also you
can run it up now because you have the you
have the rankings based upon based upon score differential.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Don't tell David Portnoy this by the way he wants
he thinks Pete Carroll should be walked up. Sounds like
he lost at least five figures on.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
You also went a little bit further that he shouldn't
have said.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
But yeah, no way, no, no, I would he would never.
He would never go top on something.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
Big deal, little deal or no deal. That Ohio State
only dropped to two in the rankings after losing to Indiana,
that's a huge deal.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Huge. I know they lost on a very makeable field
goal that was pulled wide left, but that's not generally
the case of how it works. They did in fact
lose the game, but again, I think that's the overwhelming
belief that Ohio State's still gonna win this thing, and
that is game time. Come up in the doc coming
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you're having a great day. At an unbelievable weekend, right,
big time college football, big time pro football, got a
lot to talk about. We had a lot to talk about.
I mean, I don't even know because the sports counter
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is so weird, right, like mondays are really hard to
talk about college football. We're gonna start by talking about
college football, but we're not going to talk about the
fact that Ohio States kicker missed like a two yard
field goal to tie the Big Ten Championship game, which
is a stunner. And Indiana and Kurt Signetty literally called
(01:30):
his shot, called his shot two years ago when he
got and he's done it. It's remarkable. And yet I
and Indiana is the number one seed. It's not really
where we want to go with it, but I just
I want you to take a snapshot. I don't know
if there is any more kind of bizarro sign of
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the times and how college sports is evolving in that
Indiana when we finally have a college football tournament, if
you will, is the number one seed. And they played
Ohio State in the Big Ten Championship, they played at Oregon,
won both those games. They're undefeated, right. They did beat
Penn State. Granted it was after Penn State lost its quarterback,
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lost its coach, but whatever, they won those games. Indiana
is the number one team in the country and the
regular season is complete. That is if that is crazy
crazy crazy, but it's not the topic of the day.
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It remains in the state of Indiana. It's the fact
that No. Tra Dame is not in the College Wall Playoff,
is not in the College Wall Playoff. Why is that? Well?
I mean, do we really need to to put it
out there? The college Football Playoff, which of course was
announced yesterday, and the College Wall Playoff bracket is out
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and James Madison is in, James Madison is in, Tulane
is in. Both of them are losing their coaches. Here's
where we as media, we just wear the worst, right
like James Madison and or as fans, you're the worst.
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James Madison and Tulane they've both lost their coaches and
yet they're still playing in the College Wall Playoff. And
it wasn't made to a big deal that their coaches
are coaching their team in the College Wall Playoff. But
Ole Miss it was made into a massive, massive deal.
And Lane Kiffin can't coach, but his head, his offensive coordinator,
Charlie Weis Junior, can coach. But we're here. Don't kid yourself.
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We're here because we're trying to be fair in a
completely unfair sport. That's what we're trying to do. We're
trying to be fair in an unfair sport. That's the
reality of it. The reality. It's not to say that
Tulane and James Madison couldn't win a game, but there
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is literally point zero zero zero zero zero zero zero
one percent they could win three games, and no one
disagrees with me. And they're not built for that. They
just are not. Because the attrition of every game in
a college football playoff is going to be so great
that by the time if they could ever even get
to the semi finals, it'd be hard for them to
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field the team. And because those two spots are taken
by automatic qualifiers from the we call it the Power five,
which again it's kind of laughable. We call it the
power five when you got the Power four, but it's
not even really the Power four. It's really the power too,
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and then the next two and then everybody else. That
doesn't really matter what it is. So, because we want
so badly to replicate the NCAA tournament where we have
this Cinderella even though the sports are very very different,
we jam into teams that they've had great seasons, they've
been great turnaround stories, and they have good talent. Son
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of the James Madison's not good. Now, the two lane's
not good. They're just not one of the twelve best
teams in the country, and no one's really arguing that.
So when you're trying to play to different masters, if
you will, Hey, we're trying to find the twelve best teams.
But we got to get these teams in that we
know don't really belong with that group. But how do
we make it all work? This is what we come
up with. And it's really interesting. What I'm going to
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say I know to be true. Nobody's told me to
say it. Nobody said, hey, you know, he help us
out here. Talk about Notre Dame because you went there.
I went there and I had to leave, So I
have no I do have a love for DOTIM. I
think it's a spectacular place, a special place. But it's
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not because of that. It's because I live in the
real world of college athletics that I'm gonna tell you.
Notre Dame has said and done everything exactly the way
I would do it. They have every right to be
pested at the ACC, every right, every single right to
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be ticked off at the ACC, and they're smart to
not playing a bowl game because they're saving us all
from inevitably saying, well, Notre Dame, should they have been in?
Should they not be in? Let's see how they play
in the bowl game. When half the guys don't play.
It's like the Florida State thing. Florida State should I
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didn't think they should have got into College Wall playoff
two years ago, but they didn't have their quarterback, and
then half the guys don't play. Then they lose in
the ball game, and they're like, see, Florida State's a phony.
Like no, they I didn't think they were good enough,
but half their guys didn't play. The bowl games have
gone away. The only thing they're really there for now
is guys that want to put something on tape to leave,
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or guys that are freshmen. They're gonna get a shot
in the bowl game and they wouldn't get a shot otherwise.
And you're trying to develop your culture while having a
great trip. But the bowl games no longer mean anything,
and Notre Dame actually separated themselves as a serious college
football program. Hey, we're just in to win a championship.
We got to the finals last year. We lost two
close games. This year felt like we should have probably
beat A and M didn't do it, got left out.
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We're not gonna fake it and go to a bowl
game when that's not what we're playing for and that's
not what anybody cares about anymore. And half the players
don't play anymore, and we're not gonna be judged on
our season when half of our team is not gonna
play in a meaningless bowl game. And even if they
do play in the bowl game, won they risk injury?
Notre Dame has had that a traumatic injury about a
decade ago in the Cotton Bowl. And then two I
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think they had one to copy last year actually in
the College Wall Playoff. They had a big injury in
the in the game against Indiana. And then two who
they play against, maybe even they have all their guys.
The team they play against probably gonna have half their guys.
So what are we doing? I don't know everything about
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college athletics, even coaching in college athletics, but I do
know what Pete Bavaqua said is true, Like there's some
unwritten rules that everybody knows about conferences, Right, you can
criticize somebody within your own conference. Dan's a gigantic, big
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ten fan, so he can talk trash on well, Michigan
may be the one that he doesn't care if everybody
talks trash about, but generally don't say anything bad about
the Big Ten or my Big Ten brethren, because on
some level he's an Ohio State fan. Right as an
Ohio State fan. If you take shots at the league,
that kind of takes shots at the credibility of the program.
It's just not done. Just not done. You know, I'm
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in the Horizon League, and even though our commissioner has
left and it's a vacated position, enough to go. I'm
not going to criticize any other program or what they do,
how they do because they're in our league. That's your conference, brethren.
Here's Peter Vaka. Earlier today he was on with Dan Patrick.
He had this to say about the ACC.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
We're frustrated with the process, not the teams. They're all
great teams, and it's a bunch of teams. BYU has
a great argument, Texas, Vanderbilt, Miami, Alabama, Notre Dame. We
all have great arguments. It's the process that bothers us.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Well, those ranking shows bother me, Pete, because well they.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Bothered me too. Because you know, if we just said, well,
if we had assembled as a team on Sunday and
rankings hadn't told us for the previous weeks, we're in,
we're in, We're in. Take care of business, take care
of business. And hey, you know what, Notre Dame, you're
eleven and now you're going to get squeezed out because
of the conference tie ins and Miami beat you, and hey,
I get it, But these ranking shows, as I said yesterday,
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like what's the point why kind of send these signals
and get the ho hep up of these teams, these coaches,
these kids on the team that believe they're doing everything necessary.
And then, like I said, it just felt in that
room a collective sense of the rug being taken out
from under us without any explanation that I've heard Dan
(10:17):
that has me feeling better about it. I have tremendous
respect for Miami, you know, great team, great school, but
we were mystified by the actions of the conference to
attack you know, their biggest really business partner in football
and a member of their conference in twenty four of
our other sports. I wouldn't be honest with you if
I didn't say that they have certainly done permanent damage
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to the relationship between the conference and Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I will point out that while I believe he's right,
and I'm going to give him a pass because I
don't think that he manages Notre Dame's social media, Notre
Dame on Saturday, when the Big twelve championship game was
being played, they posted the logo of Texas Tech on
(11:05):
Notre Dame's social media sites. Okay, now that doesn't mean
they don't have to. It's they're Catholic. They don't have
to support Mormons. They can say whatever they want about
respecting BYU and their opponents or whatever. That was a
little gamesmanship. We're cheering for, you know, we're cheering for
Texas Tech because if Texas Tech wins, we feel like
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we're in, which is what most people thought. Only it
didn't happen that way. So there is a slight lack
of professionalism. And I will totally grant you can. At
a school that big, that prestigious, I'm guessing Pete Levaqua
doesn't manage or micro manage the social media handle of
the football program. But there was a little little there.
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Now but now BYU's not a conference brethren, not a
conference foe. They do occasionally play Notre Dame in a series,
and so maybe that goes out the window. I don't know.
What I do know is he's right, the ACC you
can't do it the overall overwhelming support of well they're
a full time member, Like, come on, man, what are
we doing here? You know, if Miami is good enough,
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Miami's good enough, it doesn't have to be Miami versus
Notre Dame. I would also point out that the constant
reruns of Miami Notre Dame on the ACC network is
not under the control of the ACC. It's really under
the control of ESPN. And oh yeah, by the way,
it's kind of brilliant. Play the best games. See you
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watch them all over again, because there's been a lot
of bad games this year in college football. But you
can't give support to one and not the other. You
don't criticize or take shots at anybody who's in any
way associated with your conference. You just don't do that.
You just don't do that. Said the Doug Gotlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Tradio. I think they're right. I
think the ACC was wrong. I think they belonged in
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I don't know about not hearing a you know, not
hearing an explanation. I think you know the explanation they took.
They took the tulane and they got squeezed out. Tulane
and JMU they got squeezed out. That's the I don't
think that's the problem with process. I think that's the
problem with the fact that we were trying to be
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fair in a completely unfair system, in an unfair sport.
They don't let you go like, hey, Alabama, you're way
better than this opponent, so you got to play with
ten guys because that's fair. They don't do that. They
don't say, hey, Ohio State, you have thirty million in nil.
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This school you're playing only has five, so you're not
gonna be able to play guys. That twenty five extra million.
You can't play guys. It's an unfair sport, especially the
attrition of it. So we're trying to make it fair
by putting JMU in there and probably putting Tulane in there.
Doesn't make any sense, and it is not It is
actually unfair to the idea of we're trying to find
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twelve teams, either try and find the twelve best teams
or or make it fair, and I'd say fair with
the air quotes from friends fair And if you make
it fair, you're not going to have the twelve best teams,
which is what you have here, which is what you
have here. And oh yeah, by the way, it does
give credence to what we've all all said is it
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doesn't matter if you have two teams, four teams, six teams,
eight teams, twelve teams, sixteen teams. Whoever is team three?
If you're going for two back in the day five,
when you're going for four thirteen, and you're going for twelve,
seventeen and eighteen, and you're going for sixteen, they're all
going to be ticked, and they're all going to have
legitimate arguments, and somebody won't get in. But in this case,
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Notre Dame, they're not wrong. They have every right to
be ticked to the ACC and they're smart to not
play in a bowl game which is completely and utterly meaningless.
And the only thing it can do is cap off
what was a great season with a loss with half
your team, when it just feels like it doesn't feel
like a real football game. The bull season was killed
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with the College full of playoff expansion. That's just the
reality of it. Everybody knows it, and oder know the
Dame is owning it, owning it.
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But if you listen on the radio show, by the way,
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you hear a song like this, which is here comes
Santa Claus by Elvis Presley Dan Byer, do you do
(15:46):
the Elvis lip thing, just like automatically, just kind of
try and do it, just to do it.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
I'm sure it comes natural to many. You know that
response immediate?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Sure, the West Texas hiccup right is part of that song.
I don't know if many knows who invented that one.
We can do a little old Country Western trivia if
you'd like. In the near future. It's the Doug Gottlieb
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What we learn from
(16:19):
this weekend? Schador Sanders, What we learn from Packers Bears,
what we learn from the Kansasy Chiefs losing. Doug Gottlieb
show here on Fox Sports Radio, Let's get you to
Tom Telesco. He joined just He's the former Chargers and
Raiders general manager, and he joins us every Monday and
tells this what we really really should know from this
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past weekend. Let's work backwards Packers Bears. Now that we've
seen the Bears in the past two games against playoff
caliber competition, what's your read on how good the Bears
actually are.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
I definitely think they're a playoff team, and I think
yesterday you could see they really are a team like
Capital Letters team and not a team that just is
going to rely on their quarterback to bail them out
when they have to. I mean, they have an identity
on offense, especially with the running game. Their offensive line
has been strong, the defense has played well, so I
thought that was really for both teams, the Packers and
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the Bears. There's a lot of positive that came out
of that game. But from the Bear standpoint, they just
have a real identity, which in the playoffs you need
and obviously in the playoffs, there's a good chance you're
going to play in the elements, and they can do
that with their running game. And then I know Caleb
has not been as consistent as you would like, but
when they need a play he can put he can
(17:38):
put his cape on when he has to make a
playoffs side the pocket. He saw that yesterday. So I
was really impressed with the Bears, and I think as
he moved down the stretch this month, as they kind
of keep improving on offense in the passing game, which
they're going to have to do, but I thought they
went toe to toe with the Packers and I think,
you know, both are going to be strong in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Okay, Chador Sanders, you were really pressed two weeks ago
this week, what's your impression?
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Yeah, I still am And I know a lot of
people probably didn't watch this game beginning to end, but
I did. And you know, I understand the Titans on defense,
they're not great except for Jeffrey Simmons. But on the
flip side, the Browns offense, they don't have a lot
around Shador Sanders either. Their offensive line is below average
at best, and you know they have two rookies, Harrold
(18:26):
Fan and the kish On Jenkins. Those two guys are
studs on offense, but other than that, they don't have
a lot. And I thought she did play outstanding. I
thought he stood in versus a rush. He can take
hits and deliver the ball. He showed really excellent accuracy,
and he can fetter the ball really when he has
to with touch especially down in the red zone. He
showed down the one touchdown throw. He can put pace
(18:47):
on the ball when he has to, and you can
see the improvement as far as stepping up in the pocket,
knowing when to throw the ball away. And you know,
he had a bad interception that that he should have
thrown away, which kind of reminds you that, look, he's
still a rookie quarterback. But overall, playing in tough conditions,
he's almost four hundred yards of offense, four touchdowns. I
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just thought he was really impressive really from the beginning
to end, and you're seeing the development there. And this
is great that we can now see him hopefully the
next four games to see if he keeps improving. But
I thought you need a lot of NFL throws yesterday
that looks like a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What about
cam Ward if we redrafted this thing, would he still
going number one overall?
Speaker 6 (19:30):
That's a good question because what you see, you see,
all the flashes you saw on college, you still see
right now in the NFL. It's just feud and far between.
But what the hard part is with cam and the
same thing with Shador to a certain extent too, they
don't have enough talent around them yet. There's a reason
why the Titans were picking that high in the first place,
and offensive line skill positions, but they've had some injuries,
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obviously the head coaching change. He's in a real tough
spot right now. But you can see that athletic ability.
You can see the quick twitch, the way he gets
the ball out, and yeah, he still has all the
traits to be a top starting, starting quarterback in the NFL,
but he needs a lot more talent around him to
get there. It's going to take them a couple of
years probably to get enough talent there. But yeah, you
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could still see that he probably would be He probably
still would be the still first pick in the draft
if we did this all over again.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Stug otleb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Tom Telesco
is our guest. Of course, Tom was the GM of
the Raiders last year. Before that, eleven years the GM
of the San Diego and then La Chargers. Okay, some
post mortem on some teams who are quickly playing their
way out of the playoffs. I repeat, what is wrong
(20:38):
with Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 6 (20:41):
I don't think much wrong with with Lamar. I'm not
so much concerned about him. I mean, I think he
had some injuries the last month that probably slowed them
down a little bit. But just as a team, they've
been disappointing this year now, the beginning of the year,
their whole team, they were decimated with injuries that kind
of come over that hump, but they just haven't. They
haven't gotten it going and really side of the ball,
and they've got some issues on offense right now. They've
(21:05):
got they're built to run the ball, and they still
run the ball well, but their two offensive guards are
big power guards, but they're not great in past protection.
That's shown up a lot, and Lamar's had to move
around a lot more than you would like. And just
the skill positions at receivers, they flowers can only do
so much. You need some other compliment. And they don't
throw the ball a lot to be outside to the
(21:25):
other receivers. There's not a lot of targets. You know,
it's mostly the tight ends in the middle of the field.
So you know, the offense is just a little bit
stagnant right now, but Lamar is Lamar. To me, I
don't see a decline in his play. And then defensively
there their defensive front was the one part that I
thought would be a concern this year. It's been a
bigger concern that I had anticipated. Their backstep is still
very good, but they've got some things in the offseason
(21:48):
to work on there. There's Sarah Tyler Linderbaum, which is
outstanding player. He's a free agent. They got to figure
out the guards situation, and they've got to have to
have some more skill outside to go as they flowers,
just to give Lamar some more options times.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Less our guests in the Doug Gottlieb Show, how do
you explain what's happened to Pat Mahomes in that offense?
Speaker 6 (22:06):
Again, it's been really they've played the same way all year,
even the games they've won. It's just been a grind
just they just can't manufacture any big plays, which is
hard to imagine because they do have some speed at receiver.
They still have the homes. Obviously they have Andy Reid, who's,
you know, one of the best play callers in the league.
It's the big issue, and it's been an issue for
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a number of years, even when they're going to Super Bowls.
It's been the offensive wying to tackle at full spots,
and now they're playing with backups in those positions. That's
been an issue. But you know, when you have long
play drives, it takes you a long time to move
the ball down the field. It just increases your odds
and making a mistake. And they're just making more mistakes
than they ever have, and it's sometimes as snowballs players
that usually don't make them. There's a lot of drops,
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a lot of missed assignments. The defense, which has really
held in a lot of games the last couple of years,
hasn't been as strong, especially on third downs and not
getting off the field as much as they used to.
But again, I don't see this as a Mahome prom
but this is probably have to be a reset. You know,
this is a lot of years that they've been picking
very low in the draft and making a run every
year and bringing in some free agencies and trades for
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more on short term basis. But this may be a
little bit of a reset this year to get a
little bit younger on the defensive front, and you know,
just really start retool that offensive line, especially the tackle positions,
to get home a little bit more time.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Stuck out leap show here on Fox Sports, trader Tom
Telesco is our guest. You are uniquely qualified for these
next couple questions, right because you you very much lived this.
Let's start with the Indianapolis Colts. They they lost Daniel
Jones for the year with I don't know, has it
been reported as an achilles or we know it's it
(23:43):
looks like a torn achilles, right, Okay, so the torn achilles. Okay,
You've worked with Shane stich In before. You actually was
interim offensive coordinator for a year before he left and
went to went to Philly. Right, who do you? Who
do you? How does it work here? We are we're
a December eighth. You've been in a similar situation where
(24:05):
I gotta find a quarterback here? You know who's on
the street. And I got a potential playoff team. What's this?
What's the process?
Speaker 7 (24:12):
Like?
Speaker 2 (24:12):
How does it work well?
Speaker 6 (24:15):
At this point? Since you're past the trade deadline, you're
really your only chance is gonna have to be somebody
from your own roster at this point. Unless you just
get lucky and there's a quarterback who's on the street
who's been in a Shane Steak Upstiken offense before, I'd
have to look it up. For the chances are slim
so well.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I mean, you call Philip Rivers, get him out of retirement,
or or or you go any of the Philly backups
when he was there, I guess is the only other ones?
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Yeah, I don't know if you've seen Philip recently. I
mean he's coaching high school football think right now, So
I think that may not work. But look, I think
as as third quarterbacks go, and hopefully he's healthy, but
Riley Leonard, you could do worse than Riley Leonard because
when he has a side strength and athletic ability, he
could make some plays with his feet. And Shane's very
creative with the offensive scheme, and you're gonna have to
(25:01):
rely on Jonathan Taylor and you're gonna see a lot
of Jonathan Taylor. Their offensive line is excellent now with
Riley Leonard. It was the same thing at Duke because
it wasn't Notre Dame look as a pastor decision making accuracy.
It's not quite NS already yet. But he's a big
time athlete and he's a leader. So he does give
them a fighting chance with their offensive line with Jonathan
(25:22):
Taylor and with Shane Stichen. But at this point, with
four weeks ago in the year, to go outside your
team to find a quarterback to come in and start,
very highly unlikely.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Okay, Torod Taylor was your starter. You had drafted, you know,
you had drafted a guy who has now become an
absolute star for the for the LA Chargers, right, and
Justin Herbert. So Justin Herbert just had surgery on his hand,
and I guess he's gonna play. Before we get to Herbert,
(25:55):
what was that like during his first start as the
general manager when you found out about the injection gone
wrong for Torod Taylor?
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Absolutely incredible because where I was up in the suite
arm break before kickoffs and none of us knew what
that happened, and that all happened right before kickoff, obviously
within like thirty seconds to a minute, and we see
Justin run onto the field and we're looking at each
other like, hey, you guys kind of holding this back
(26:26):
of the secret, like absolutely not. So I looked down
and I saw Tarrod Taylor on the bench. I saw
them walking to Rod into the locker room, and honestly,
my first thought was, what's wrong with Tarad? So that's
so I was on the phone with the doctors downstairs
in the locker room through that situation. Out. I missed
the whole first series that Justin drove us down for
a score against Kansas City, missed the whole thing because
we're trying to figure out with Tarrod Taylor where he
(26:47):
was and it was he okay. But the interesting whole
thing about that situation was this was the COVID year,
so there were no preseason games. There were no live
scrimmages against any other teams in the preseason, so Justin's
teammates and as coaches had never seen him play live.
They've seen him throw the ball in practice, they've seen him,
you know, in a practice of them, but never live.
(27:07):
So his first play in that huddle was the first
time that eve ever seen him play live football and
him drive us down put a score in the end zone.
Was pretty cool. But situation obviously something I've never seen
of or been part of before, but it was kind
of a surreal experience.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
All right, So tonight, what are your expectations. Philly doesn't
have their best pass rusher, but still a dynamic defensive
line against the Chargers team that has sort of stabilizer
offensive line. But you know, down their two starting tackles
for the year, it's not great. They've been able to somehow,
you know, get it to this point at eight and four.
What do you think of the matchup?
Speaker 6 (27:42):
I think the biggest thing tonight is Omurray and Hampton
back in the lineup. He's a big time running back.
He's big, he's powerful, he runs with an identity with
his physicalness, but he also has some speed if you
can get out in space to finish run. So they're
gonna have to run the ball as well as they
can tonight. He's gonna give them a big jump, a
big boost. I think, thank you. I want to see
how Justin Herbert maneuver is in the like just with
(28:04):
handoffs with this left hand. Rayn how he's going to
do that. I play at should pass where they work
under center at all, we'll all be out of shotgun.
I'm assuming it'll be on a shotgun, but we'll find
out tonight. But I think can't they could be a
big part of this. It's a playoff game for the Chargers,
no doubt. Eagles. I think they're good. They'll still be in,
but AFC is a little bit jumbled up right now.
This is a big time game for the Chargers tonight.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Awesome stuff, Tom, have a great weekend. Hope you had
a happy Thanksgiving and a merry Christmas to you and
your entire family. Thanks for our guests.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
You've got Doug any time. Take care.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
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Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
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Speaker 4 (29:11):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
What up, Dan? What do you got Doug?
Speaker 8 (29:20):
The game today is big deal, little deal, no deal,
big deal, little deal or no deal. That Isaiah Likely's
touchdown for the Ravens was ruled incompletes in yesterday's game
against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Oh that's a big deal. There's just no other way
around it. Games are that close and that thing, I mean,
that's a gigantic deal. Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
I'm sorry, Dan, No, I was just gonna say. There
is so much being made about this third step. There's
so much being made about what is a catch, what
is in a catch? And I think we all think
that holding the football and tucking it in is a
complete of the catch. But yesterday with Carrie Rhoades on
our Sunday Show, Carrie made this point. A few others
(30:06):
who have actually played the game made the point as
well today that tucking it in isn't necessarily the safest
way to keep the football, which is what Isaiah Likely
did in this situation, and was holding it out so
it wouldn't be knocked away from him, and so like
that is a football play, but the rules in the
way that they're defined, don't characterize that.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
So it's a mess. It's a big mess. It does
remind me of the Virginia Florida State game, right it
was like second or third game of the year with
the Florida State kid. He bobbled it through the end
zone and then he had it, but then he adjusted it,
and after the adjustment, after it looked like he had it,
(30:47):
then it wasn't a complete pass. But it's like he
caught the ball and then a jut.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
It's very hard, big deal, little deal or no deal
that the Bengals blew a ten point fourth quarter lead
to the Bills in a snowstorm.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Gigantic, gigantic. I mean, this is why Joe Burrow came
back and played. Obviously, T Higgins hitting his head on
the turf was terrible considering what he's gone through with concussions.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
He returned to the game, by the way, and then
today was putting concussion protocol. So yes, that was.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Weird because when he saw him hit it and he saw
him hold his head, You're like, ooh, that's not good.
Then he's back in the game. You're like wait, how so?
But sometimes they miss him when you try and see
him early on, and then you have a headache the
whole night. But it's a big deal. Big deal obviously,
playoff implications for the Bengals, playoff invocations for the Bills,
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and you know it's whatever you want to call it,
miraculous comeback or collapse, depending on which side of the
ale you.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Sit, big deal, little deal, or no deal. That the
Raiders kicked the field goal to lose by seven instead
of ten at the end of the game against the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Now, were they doing it so they get then on
side kick or they just doing it no cover?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Oh, time expired? They did it with five seconds left,
forty six yard field goal from Daniel Carlson. I encourage
you to check out Fox Sports Radio dot com, check
out Fox Sports Radio on x or at Dan Byer
on Fox on x I as this happened yesterday, explained
my thoughts on the deal. Feel that Pete Carroll wanted
(32:21):
to shove it down the throats of all the Broncos
fans and make them lose their bet since that was
the only thing that he could win. And you know
that there were Broncos fans who probably placed bets on
the Broncos by minus eight or minus eight and a half.
I think that's exactly what Pete Carroll was doing.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I don't think that's what he's doing. I think he
was trying to lose by fewer points. I really think
that's what he's trying to do. You're like, well, I
could have thrown in the end zone, you know, or whatever.
I think he was in terms of take the shirt points.
It doesn't look as bad when you lose by seven.
I think that's right.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Can I bring in Jason Stewart for this, who I
always feel has a great critical eye? What did you
think on the Pete Carroll.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
Was an atrocious beat? And anyone who had money on
the Broncos has to question what's going on, Why there's
no reason to kick that field goal, and then also
there's a questionable call to even get them in field
goal range. The whole thing was extremely questionable.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
So you're you're going, you're going conspiracy, theoris it's.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Rigged, something is, something's up. This is not just a
coach trying to get the score closer.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I'm gonna I'm gonna say, because again, if you're doing
it for the lot for the line. Everybody gets fired,
just so we're aware if it ever comes out that
you were doing it because of the betting line. Everybody
gets fired.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
College coaches do it all the time. Though in college
football they they know what the line is. Yeah they do.
You know that, true, coach. But it's difficult when in
college football you're a big school. You know what the
line is, you know who is betting out.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
You know what the line is. But you also you
can run it up now because you have the you
have the rankings based upon based upon score differential.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Don't tell David Portnoy this by the way he wants
he thinks Pete Carroll should be walked up. Sounds like
he lost at least five figures on.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
You also went a little bit further that he shouldn't
have said.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
But yeah, no way, no, no, I would he would never.
He would never go top on something.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
Big deal, little deal or no deal. That Ohio State
only dropped to two in the rankings after losing to Indiana,
that's a huge deal.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Huge. I know they lost on a very makeable field
goal that was pulled wide left, but that's not generally
the case of how it works. They did in fact
lose the game, but again, I think that's the overwhelming
belief that Ohio State's still gonna win this thing, and
that is game time. Come up in the doc coming
up with the doug Outlive Show, what do you love
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