November 11, 2025 • 35 mins
Doug reacts to the news that the Giants have fired Brian Daboll as their head coach, and the impact Russell Wilson has on a football team. Doug welcomes former Chargers General Manager Tom Telesco onto the show to get his thoughts on Brian Daboll's firing, the Steelers and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Big Deal, Little Deal or No Deal?".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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This is interesting, right, I mean, we're doing a lot
of first here.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I'm the first Division one men's head basketball coach to
have a Nashal radio show, and this is the first
time we've ever done a show after we've won a game.
Granted we didn't win many games last year. Guys, okay,
so there is that issue with it. They're like, wow,
we haven't done for when you went up games last
year to do it. But we had a game today.
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It was an education day where you know, has four
thousand screaming children in attendance. As enjoyable as that may sound.
As enjoyable as that may sound, we end up getting
getting the win, so it was good. Meanwhile, it's a
it's an interesting thing right where Jay Stu is texting
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me story updates while the game is in progress, and
thankfully I did not have my phone on me, so
it's not like buzzing. But I do have the news
of the day and we'll get to it. And then
the news of the night is tonight lambeau Field Monday
Night football, Packers Eagles, big time game and what again
at this point in the season, could be forecasting for
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a playoff matchup, which would be a playoff rematch, So
a million different little things to get to. Congrats to
Dan Byer's Seattle Seahawks with a dominating win yesterday. And
congrats to Jay stew and my LA Chargers they get
a big win on Sunday Night football that we'll get to.
But the news of the day is Brian Dabole is
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out out with the new New York Football Giants. Day
Ball was asked yesterday after the game about his job security.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Here was his response.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Pretty worried about your job too many?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Yeah, I'm just focused on you know, these guys in
the locker room. You know, they're tough losses, Dan, they
really are. Everybody puts so much into it, The coach
has put so much into it. The players, you know,
and it's painful when you have when you have these endings,
you know, you stick together and you know that's what
that's what you have to do.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Here's the statement from John Mara, the chairman and chairman
Steve Tish in a joint statement quote, we spoke this
morning about the direction of our franchise on the field.
We decided that this time, at this time, it's in
our best interest to make a change in the head
coaching musician. The past few seasons have been nothing short
of disappointing. We have not met our expectations for the franchise.
We understand the franestation of our fans in order to
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deliver a significantly improved product. We appreciate coach Dayball for
his contributions to organization. We wish coach day Ball and
his family the best in the future. Joel Shane, who's
there general manager, said, we feel like Joe has assembled
a good young nucleus of talent. We look forward to
its development. Unfortunately, the results over the past three years
have not been what any of us want. We take
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full responsibility for those results.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
We look forward to the.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Kind of success the fans expect. I always love when
a general manager say, hey, we take full accountability for it,
so he's fired. H oh, Sorry, that was the owner
statement on Joe Shane.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I mean, look, I get that those losses are devastating.
I don't think he lost his job because of this year.
It's really interesting people's inability to process when they have
had Cam scattabo they were the talk of the league.
He breaks his ankle and suddenly everybody forgot the energy
that they had had when they put Jackson, Dart and
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Scattaboy and installed them in their backfield.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Again.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I'm just gonna I'm gonna disagree with this move. And
I understand that somebody says, well, you're a coach, your
team struggling, so you don't want to see any coach fired.
It's not the case in the NFL especially. I don't
understand what this What does this do for you right?
Like doesn't get you ahead of the curve with free agents,
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doesn't put you ahead of the curve with trying to
find a new coach, Like there's nobody who you want
who's not going to be on the market and be
available once you get into January. This just feels a
lot like the Jets, overreactive to fans and their desires.
He's the same coach who engineered the upset of the
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Philadelphia Eagles. I don't think any of us had great
expectations of the Giants, and when you have the level
of injuries that they've had, I don't know what anybody
expects of them. So again, if you want to look
at it and go, oh, well, hey, they didn't win yesterday,
and they lost in devastating fashion to the Bear who
came back and beat him late, it's fair, okay, But
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what were your expectations? Where are you in your development?
Remember the Bears had this same type of season last
year when they had a rookie quarterback. You have a
rookie quarterback, you've been just besieged by injuries. It may
not be good enough for you, but I don't. I
guess here's my thing, Dan Byer, I don't understand. If
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Brian Daboll is the guy to work with quarterbacks, and
you draft a quarterback and you've seen some good production
out of a rookie quarterback, then why would you put
another voice in the rookie quarterback's ear at this point
in time or even in the next year.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
That part I don't understand well.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I think that they considering the name Mike Kafka as
the interim head coach. I think that that has a
little something to do with where they think Jackson Dart's
development could continue if he stays healthy. And that's another point.
As he's knocked out of yesterday's game and Russell Wilson
comes in and does nothing and the Bears come back
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from a ten point deficit and rally and get the win,
there seems to be an enormous disconnect. But you can't
ignore the numbers of day bole. They just have won
eleven games since the first season he took over, there
were a nine win team. They went to the playoffs,
they beat the Vikings and then they lost to the
Eagles in the divisional round. But since that point they've
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won eleven games total. It's the third straight year they're
two to eight, and no matter how great things have
been with Jackson Dart, at some point a change needs
to be made. And I don't know if Joe Shane
is the ear of John Marra and the other ownership
the Tish family in terms of making that decision, but
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I noticed on TikTok. Over the last week or so,
there was a lot of anti Joe Shane rhetoric coming out,
and so there almost seems doug to be a divide
maybe even between Joe Shane and find Dable. So Dabell
ends up being the fall guy. That's maybe plasier with
all of it.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
But I think that I don't think there's any I
don't know there's any question that if Joel Shane still
has a job and Brian Dabole doesn't, that there's a
disconnect between the two of them. And again, I'm my
My point continues to be and I get it. You
give Kafka, I guess a little bit of a look here,
but you know this is not that different from what
we saw with Penn State, Like, well, what did you
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expect when Russell Wilson takes over and you know you've
had the level of injuries that they've had.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Again, you can make a change. I'm not saying you
can't make coaching changes. I don't understand the mid season
coaching change. I don't get that. And you could say, well,
he's had enough seasons, enough time, like okay, what are
we what do.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
We do here.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
When you bring in and you change coaches out mid season,
you're giving Kafka a chance to be a head coach.
He's still just going to call the call the offense.
It's not really going to change that much, a little
bit of a different voice.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
What is interesting with Kafka, though, is he has interviewed
for head coaching jobs in the NFL before, right, so
it's not out of nowhere that he would take over
and maybe this could be the position. It's also funny
that it feels like it's the second coach that Russell
Wilson has gotten fired.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
That was that was the next part I was getting
to was happen in Denver? Right, happened in Denver, and
and it happens here, And it's I mean, that's that's
really the part. The common denominator there. He's just not
any good. And it's not just that he's not any good.
And again, you're gonna experience this on any team you
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you cover, any team, you you watch, any team you're
a part of, which is there are guys that are
competent at their position, or at their job, or at
their role, but other guys just don't like them, right
for whatever reason they just and especially at quarterback, it
just feels like when Russell Wilson trots out there, everybody
rolls their eyes.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, here we go again.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
There was a scenario in yesterday's game, and I know
Packers played a night. I don't know if Giants Bears
was the local game in Green Bay, but there was
a scenario in the game yesterday where the Giants were
facing a goal to go situation and on first and
goal from the seven, they gave it to Devon Singletary
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who got it down to the Chicago one. So now
your second and goal at the one and a seventeen
to ten ballgame. They gave it to Devin Singletary again,
he lost the yard, so now it's third and goal
at the two. Then Russell Wilson ran for his life
scrambling got it back to the one, third and goal
or on that third goal, so now it's fourth and goal,
and they kicked a nineteen yard field goal to go
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up ten. Most teams probably would have gone for it
in that situation, but the Giants. For what the Bears
had done offensively up to that point, they had only
scored ten points. It was a windy day in Chicago,
but they ended up kicking the field goal that maybe
gave Chicago life and the rest is history. Fourteen unanswered
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and the Bears leave with a win. So we had
Pam Oliver on our Sunday show yesterday. She did the sideline.
She said, the air was absolutely taken out of the
Giants when Jackson Dart went out with the concussion.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And that's the thing about Russell Wilson. And that's honestly,
I can't believe they haven't gone to Jameis Winston, you know,
because Jameis Winston, though he can be a turnover machine,
there's an energy that he brings that you have to
have when you come in as a backup, and Russell
does not have that. When Russell Wilson comes in, it's
a Debbie downer. Everybody rolls their eyes. Oh boy, here
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we go.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
And this is what the Giants did, Okay, after they
were able to get the h to get a stop.
When Russell Wilson is in the contest, they end up
running the ball on consecutive place Doug second and first
and ten five yards second and ten holding penalty backs
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him up second and twenty tyrone Tracy five yards third
and fifteen from the Chicago thirty eight yard line. Five yards.
They just ran the ball up ten. Then the Bears
went and answered with their two touchdown drives. They were
unwilling to let Russell Wilson throw the football or do
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anything with the football team.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Because it's pretty obvious that he can't do it. And
that's why there's the collective eye rolling, you know, I mean,
it just is. I mean, I have nothing against the guy.
I don't know him. We've had no negative interactions. I'm
just telling you that I had heard. Obviously it's he's
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really got the weirdest career ever, right, Because the perfect
example of it is, can you recall a team dan
Byer in your twenty years, Jasetu, you're the same, We've
all been in this thing combined seventy five plus years.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Can you recall a player who is the quarterback of
a team that won the Super Bowl another team that
lost in the Super Bowl that was perennially dominant that
I haven't ever heard a former Seahawk come out and
go that's my guy. Hey, you guys are being critical.
He was awesome when he's in Seattle. Nobody nobody like
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for all the and we all agree that Aaron Rodgers
was better at his peak and his better quarterback. But
for all of Aaron Rodgers haters out there, Aaron Rodgers
has all those guys that played with him before would
love to play with him again. Don't see that from
Russell Wilson. It's the weirdest career ever that no one
is excited about Russell Wilson being the quarterback of their team.
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No one is excited about him coming into his back,
Like can you imagine if you're on the Giants. Think
about this for a second. You're on the Giants and
your quarterback goes down, Like, all right, who are you
going to next? How about a guy who's been you know,
probably a Hall of Famer, won a Super Bowl, been
in another one, perennially top ten quarterback in the league.
He comes trotting in. You would think normally everybody like, hey,
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we got Russell Wilson, We're good. And it's the exact
opposite of that. From play callers to overall mojo to feeling,
it's the weirdest career I can possibly think of.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
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Speaker 1 (13:37):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, Dan Dan, And you'd
ask me a question. What's the appropriate question you should
ask everybody who's in Green Bay about tonight?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
How cold is it going to be? Oh?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, that's one question. It's gonna be called really cold.
Next question, kickoff about twenty nine degrees.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
In college tuobs, green Bay topped ripping eighty three sixty three.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, yeah they did, Yeah they did.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Is that a win because we were I didn't think
it was? And Sam says, because was it an exhibition?
Or is it because they're D three?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
But it's still everybody. Everybody in our league plays D
three teams.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I'm not saying that that you're alone in that. But
there were times when I remember, you know, Wisconsin would
play like hey, uw Platfills coming to town to open
the season. So I wasn't sure if.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
That was that was it? And that was a game
as well. The first two. So the first two were exhibitions.
We played Bradley, we lost an exhibition. We played Saint Norbert,
also a Division three played badly an exhibition once you
start playing games, unless it's unless it's signified as an exhibition,
it is an official game.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Okay, So does Rippan count the loss because ESPN didn't
have their skin, their record on their their their low.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
They they want to know another one one, okay, so
well we will definitely take it.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
They will take it, and as.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
As many of my friends and coaching because last year
I was like, we're not playing Division three, so we
played one Division two. We had you know, we had
injuries and we get popped. And uh, all my coaching
buddies like, dude, play four of them. Our league only
lets you play two. They're like, nobody cares. Just win games.
It's all anybody cares about. I mean, that's the difference
last year. And we won four games with the air
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four Division one games. There's plenty of other teams that
won six or seven, but they won like four D
three games.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Sure, so we don't have to give it back.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Now it's Doug otlab Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
They played really well, they were they shot the hell
out of the basketball. Uh, let's welcome in Tom to LESCo, who,
of course the former gentlemenager of the Chargers and their
eight is I got a bunch of things to get
to first, let me get your reaction Brian Dable. So
again you have and I haven't talked about this soft air,
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but I do want to ask you. Guys went to
the same high school, right, but you were a senior,
he was a freshman in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, So when when you made your last coaching hire,
there's a lot of people like, well, they're boys, so
you're going to hire him. Gimme you interviewed him. What
are your thoughts on Brian Dable the coach.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Yeah, and I first of all, I don't care what
Dan bears. The congrats on the win this morning, so
take it and move on.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
So yeah, so Brian Dable. Yeah, so I've known Brian
since I was in high school, good friends with him. So,
but you know, this is a business. So you're looking
at the body of work, and Brian had a great
body of work. He was a coordinator multiple times, kind
of moving up the chain, worked for some great people Belichick,
mcsaban among others, and he had a really good feel
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for the overall how he wanted to build a football team.
Now we went in a different direction, but it was
nothing against Brian briand died up spanning in the interview
process and had a great body of work and he
got the Giants job. And you know, look, the head
coach is responsible for the final product. And I'm not
a big fan of interim head coaches. But as you know, Doug,
pro sports and probably college sports at this point, like
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there's that pound of flesh mentality that that you know,
somebody has to go, you know, because the team underperformed,
certainly on defense. Offensively, there's a lot of reasons for that,
but certainly them under performed on defense.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What about
the timing of it?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Right like they're winning the game, Uh, Dark goes down,
Russell Wilson comes in, they lose the game late, he's
had Scataboo gets hurt. Now Dark gets in the in
concussion protocol and they lose the game. You know, we're
not We're we're just past the midway point. What are
your thoughts on the logic behind the timing of making
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a change.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Now, I'm not a big fan of it, and this
is not something the Giants do very often, so that
that may just tell you behind the scenes that just
really wasn't going very well at all because they're a
very patient group for their professional group. But certainly this
is not done to try and you know, rally the
troops for this year that this year is essentially over
with and the success rate of interim head coach is
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not a good anyway. But what it does give them,
it does give them a chance to start working on
their process of the next set coach as far as research,
talking to people, and it gives them a chance to
do it without doing it behind Brian Gables back, which
nobody would want to see that some professional way to
do it. So it gives them more time. Now they
can't talk with anybody obviously unless someone is out of
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work like at like McCarthy or somebody like that. But
it gives them a chance to really start diving into
their homework on who's going to be on their interview
list as soon as the season is over.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Supports Radio. Tom telasco
is our guests. He's a former general manager both the
Chargers and for last year the Raiders. Chargers get to
win over the Steelers. You and I have discussed these
two teams separately before was last night about the Chargers
or about excuse me, the Steelers?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Has last night about the Chargers or the Steelers.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Good question. It's usually always it's got the a combination
of both. And that's I think what you saw last
night just between the Chargers defense or it's really it
had some off weeks recently, but they really picked it
up last night. And if you can get the Steelers
in a two score game where the Charges are up
by two scores, and if you can force Pittsburgh to
now it's going to have to be a straight drop
back the majority of the rest of the game, that's
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where they're going to struggle. They just don't have the
pass protection up front. They're just not built for that.
They're more built for run the ball, play action, moved
the pocket, and obviously at this point Aaron Rodgers he
does not have the capability that he had in the past.
We saw it last year at the Jets. We saw
we saw some games like this last year at the Jets,
so we shouldn't be overly surprised that that would happen
last night. But the Chargers didn't blit a lot. They
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were able to get pressure with four because they saw
some weaknesses on the edges and the quarterback really just
couldn't couldn't get movement inside the pocket. And then there
wasn't a whole lot of people a throat too. They
took Metcalf away. Jenny Smith has had a really good year,
but they couldn't get him going. And other than that,
there's nowhere to go with the football and you're just
not going to run it as much when you're down
by two scores. So that was just, you know, a
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combination of the Chargers defense, which played outstanding last year.
It's been a little up and down this year, but
saw last night and the charge of defense is what
we saw in the past. They can really shut people
down both on the pass when they get going.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Man Herbert's good. I mean with no offensive line. I
mean you just got backups all over and he's still outstanding.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
I mean, I mean why you pay him.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
That's why you pay these guys the money you pay them,
because as you get injuries or people are not performing,
they have to raise the level of everybody else. And
he did that.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Last night, no no question, no question about it. Doug
Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports traded Tom Telescosner, I guess explain
for me the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
They're just going to have to get in the playoffs.
That's that's gotta be the goal right now. When the
year started, they had a ton of injuries that they're
still working through that. There hasn't been a big consistency
level on either side of the ball. On defense, and
I talked about this this summer that you know they're
they're run defense. I love their linebackers. They're fast, they're rangy,
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but they're on the smaller side, and when teams line
up and run the ball hard at them, you know
you're weak to show up. He saw that yesterday. I've
had a lot of mistackles from the middle of the
defense to the running game. They're on defense struggled offensively.
I know they don't have a number one receiver, but
it hasn't been a bit much of an issue because
Josh Allen just spreads the ball around to everybody. Now,
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Dalton Kincaid being out with the hamstring and I doubt
he'd be ready to play this week. Just the way
he came off the field, that looks like a multi
week injury. He was one of their big playmakers, and
that's gonna hurt them. It's gonna hurt their offense. They're
actually get cooked going a lot more, but they got
to survive a little bit of the injury hits right now.
I'm not if you live in Buffalo right now, you're
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hugely concerned. If you're on the outside looking him like
I am a little bit more measured with it. I
think they're gonna be okay, but they gotta get the
defense picks a little bit here, and Josh Allen can
still make Josh Allen type plays, but at this point
they're just kind of limping into the second half of
the season. You'd like to see better football, and I
think we'll see it from them moving forward.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
What is it that makes Rabel so good?
Speaker 6 (21:59):
How they put this team together as fast as they have,
It's amazing. Between Mike Grabil and Elliott Wolf, they essentially
bought a brand new defense and freegency, which rarely ever works,
but it does work if your evaluations are right. You
spend the right money and the right players, and they've
got eight starters on defense that were bought in free agency,
and the defense is playing on point physical. A lot
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of that Mike Brabil and then offensively, you know, Drake
May has just taken off. And I think the combination
of him and Josh McDaniel's is just a combination made
in heaven. It really is. They both both love football,
both both have high levels of football intelligence, and Drake
May is just he's and then he added in is
you know, he's got good size, athletic, he's tough, he's accurate.
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The Bucks brought a lot of pressure yesterday like they
do against everybody, and a lot of quarterbacks struggle against it,
and Drake May did not. And Drake May's doing this
without even a full complement of skill players. You know,
I thought they were still a year away from really competing,
and I was completely wrong going into the season. You
see them play now. So they got the quarterback, offensive line,
it's usually improved. They got two rookies playing right now
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in the offensive line, which a huge weakness last year
has been a strength so far this year. So and
you know this is this is Mike Rabel's in proNT
on the team and it's, uh, this is why some
of these other coaches get let go because you see
a team like the Patriots that bring a new head coach,
new culture. They made a lot of changes and they've
hit it and they're eight and two right now.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I don't know if you watched, you know, you and
I talk about how much you watch college games even now,
even still, Fernando Mendoza was okay against Penn State. They
kind of they struggled, but the the toe tap by
Omar Cooper Junior was incredible and Mendoza down the stretch
was really really good. So was Dante More of Oregon. Right,
he made a couple through a couple of dimes there
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down the stretch. When what's the reality to evaluation? How
do you evaluate and cut out the noise of oh,
what he did in college in this clutch throw or
these numbers when it doesn't necessarily tell the story of
what will translate in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Yeah, it's definitely not a week to week look at
players like a stock market, stock going up, stock going down.
It's just not how it works. You're taking in the
full body work where there's a year or two years
or three years, and you put it all together and look,
there are gonna be years where there's not a first
round quarterback. It doesn't mean every single year, there's gonna
be one, two, and three first quarterback. They're going the
first round. They aren't good enough to go in the
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first round. I haven't studied these players yet to know
that they do have some skills that you like, but
there's no guarantee their first round quarterback. So I actually
remember last year or two years at this time, like
JJ McCarthy, bon Nicks, even Penix, nobody was talking about
those guys being first round quarterbacks. But after the whole
process went through, they all end up going in the
first round. So there's still a lot of work to
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be done. I think both those players really show some
interesting skills. Mendoz Are going back to Cali, he was
this is just TV watching would kind of flash like,
hey who is this kid and do some research on them.
Dante Moore at UCLA, you know, probably wasn't ready for
prime time yet he was out there as a true
rushman and you know, had his ups and downs, end
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up losing the job halfway through the year, but he
had some real skills as you can see in that game. Now,
are is he ready to play NFL football and to
be a starter week one? Probably not, but there's still
a lot of work to be done as you look
at the whole body of work for their career.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Uh, what what what's the story with Calibury? Like, what's
the real story?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I know he's hurt, but even if he wasn't hurt,
he wouldn't be starting in Arizona. They gave him a
big contract. What What's what's the real story with Calamary?
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I'm not so sure that you know, I wouldn't be
ready to be pushing the job that Jacoby Brissette already.
I mean, Jacoby's been in the league a long time.
It's been with six or seven teams. He's he's been
a full time starter once or twice. And like I
like Jacoby Brissett a lot. He doesn't turn the ball
over in terms of interceptions, but he's not real mobile
and he's never really been a long time full time starter.
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Kyler Murray is still the most talents of the two quarterbacks.
Is there a consistency level there? It just hasn't quite
been there. I can tell you from being an opponent.
He's really hard to play against because you just never
know where he's going to be in the pocket. You
always have to be able to defend his run game.
He's got a big time arm, you know for a
smaller quarterback. But I understand on the offensive side of
the ball that posed some problems too that you know,
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a lot of it is just you know, just natural
playmaking ability, maybe not so much in structure. So the
biggest thing is is, you know, the head coach and
GM weren't there when he was drafted, and there's certainly
an investment level in different players. I still think he's
extremely talented. I'm not ready to give up on him yet,
but obviously there you know, it could go a different direction.
But to me, if they're both healthy right now, I
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think Kyler Murray, Kyler Murray is still their starting quarterback.
I don't know if they agree with me on that though.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
No, I listen, I agree with you, but they have
said that's not the case. So there has to be
something else there, right because on I'm pure talent playmakings,
it's not really that close. And again, like you said,
we know who Jacoby Brissette is. Forget the fumbles yesterday.
He's a really he's a great dude, really good backup.
He's not Kyler Murray, who, as you know, talent wise,
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is a starter and has a chance to do some
elite things, So there has to be some some amount
of kind of breakdown between relationships in order to tell people, hey,
Kyler Murray healthy, are not healthy?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
He's coming off the bench.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
Yeah, I could see that, and you can see because
it looks like with Brissette, and I'm not surprised by this.
He just brings a sense of calm to the offense.
But you still have you know, the fumbles have been
an issue through his career. But he's just a complete
different style obviously than what they were playing with, which
was also a little bit you know, it's that's a
little bit different too. They really have to run two different, separate,
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two separate offenses to space and the skill sets the
two quarterbacks. But you could obviously see, you know, there's
some sort of disconnect between him and Marvin Harrison Junior
because they just were out in the same page last
year and even this year the way it started, they
weren't quite in the same page, which is hard to fathom.
So there's got there must be something going on behind
the scenes there. I don't know what it is, but
I still think Kyler is extremely talented and certainly has
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much more upside moving forward than Jacobe does.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
At this point.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Uh, Tom, when are you coming up to see the game?
Have you ever seen a game at LAMBA like as
a fan?
Speaker 6 (28:11):
I've seen very few professional football games as a fan
in my lifetime.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
So no, okay, all right, Well how about either this
year or next year?
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Well, I want to double up. I want to catch
a Green Bay Phoenix basketball game and I want to
see a Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Pack Had you been here today, That's what we did.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
We played at eleven o'clock, so everybody's got plenty of
time for Monday night football.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Now I did that for you.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
This is me why Okay. I looked at this, I
saw the score. I'm like, what kind of played this game?
Seven am? Okay, that makes sense now.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Eleven am is education day, so it was full of
screaming kids. That was That was the idea.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Nice grated on the win.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Thank you. We will take it. I do not have
to give it back, though Dan Bayer wants me to
give it back. I will. I won't give it back.
It's mine taking it on.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Behalf of all Division three athletes out there. I would
have loved the chance to play against the Division one
team even though I got my butt kicked, but it
would have been. It's just the opportunity would be great.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
To have, no question.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
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Speaker 2 (29:08):
Tommy, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
All right, Thanks, Doug, take care.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
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Speaker 2 (29:55):
Let's get to Dan Byer in a game.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. All right, Doug,
the game today is big deal, Little deal, No deal?
Big deal, little deal or no deal. That the Rams
dominated the forty nine ers in Santa Clara yesterday, final
score forty two to twenty six.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I think it's a big deal. I just do.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I know the Niners are all banged up. It's like
a yearly thing. But we're searching for a team. The
Rams are more believable than the Colts. That's my takeaway.
And again, like I got Jonathan Taylor, He's winning me
in my fantasy league. He's unbelievable. But the Rams are
more believable in the Colts. And I think it's Stafford.
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Have you seen the numbers he's been putting up? Obscene, obscene.
It's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Yeah, they're really good. They host the Seahawks coming up
in week eleven, battle of two seven and two teams.
Big deal, little deal or no deal. That Caleb Williams
led the Bears to another comeback win. It's their sixth
victory in seven games.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I can't see how it's anything more than a big deal,
you know, anything more? We all had and we still
have some questions about Kayleb Williams, but for a first
time head coach to be able to make it work,
and Kayleb Williams is not perfect, I mean, this is
pretty outstanding stuff. And the fact that they keep fighting
for him when it feels like they're being also pretty
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big stuff. I think it's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
With those six wins firmly in the playoff picture right now,
and maybe the forty nine ers are on their way out.
Who knows, but Rock Purty could be coming back soon.
All right, Let's jump over to the AFC. Big deal,
little deal or no deal? Doug that the Bengals today
open the twenty one day practice whin do for quarterback
Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
It's a big deal, although quarterback has not been as
much their issue as defense. But can they still be
a playoff contender when he gets back? That's the big question.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I know three and six right now. The Jaguars hold
the final playoff spot in the AFC at five and four,
so they're two back in the lost column and not insurmountable.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
It's surmountable. No one ever says that elite is surmountable.
If you ever knows sense, they always say it's insurmountable.
That everard have you have you ever in your life
heard anybody say it's surmountable.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
No, Well you just did first time for everything. Yeah,
the big deal, little deal of no deal. That Indiana
escaped on the road at Penn State with a late
touchdown on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Huge huge.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
We can sit there and go, hey, Penn State backup
quarterback and at Penn State interim head coach. But this
is like, that's college football. It's when you're least expected.
There's that one. You know, this is an Ohio State fan.
I used to call them luck eyes. On the national
championship years, they would always be like two. You're like,
there's no reason for them to be close, you know,
like one year was Perdue that had Ohio State like
dead to rights me.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
How was at that game two thousand and four?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Heck last year, last year? What happened?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Michigan kicks their ass in the big game, right, So
this does happen. And when you can just find a
way to survive, like that's a championship team, You're not
gonna blow everybody out even once you're way better than
a week after week.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Now, for the record, it should be not at all.
High State did go on to win the national championship
after Michigan beat them thirteen to ten. I said that, Yeah,
you said kick their A and so, and then Michigan.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
And Ohio State went on the winnst Championship, right y, I.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Don't know, Okay, yeah, what semantics?
Speaker 2 (33:37):
You know you don't like the guy said they kicked
their ass.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I hate. I think you're trying to get back at
me for questions using a parallel of probably call in
and call me Dan Bayer or something like that. That's
probably where we're headed. Let's bring them in tom to
Lasco joining us here. Uh, just kidding. By the way,
two thousand and two, like half of the season was
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that with Ohio State. Every single game was a root canal,
but they prevailed, all right, finally, Doug big deal, little dealer,
no deal that former lsu A coach Brian Kelly has
rejected all settlement offers from the school as he's due
fifty four million dollars on his contract.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
What's the Russian guy in rounders? Jay Stu?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
That's John Makovic's character. What's his name? I forget his
famous line is, pays the man his money.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
And I think we have that drop somewhere.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Pays the man his money, paid that men his money. There,
you go, paid that then his money. It'd be like, hey, no,
you want to fire me, It's all good, Hey coach,
you want to like, well, you know, well, listen, you
don't want to argue a haggle over this thing. You
don't get a lawyer and lose a percentage over it.
Like how about you just give me? He's like, no, no, no, Bays.
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A man is money, basement is.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Money, and that's game time.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
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Speaker 1 (35:06):
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This is interesting, right, I mean, we're doing a lot
of first here.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I'm the first Division one men's head basketball coach to
have a Nashal radio show, and this is the first
time we've ever done a show after we've won a game.
Granted we didn't win many games last year. Guys, okay,
so there is that issue with it. They're like, wow,
we haven't done for when you went up games last
year to do it. But we had a game today.
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It was an education day where you know, has four
thousand screaming children in attendance. As enjoyable as that may sound.
As enjoyable as that may sound, we end up getting
getting the win, so it was good. Meanwhile, it's a
it's an interesting thing right where Jay Stu is texting
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me story updates while the game is in progress, and
thankfully I did not have my phone on me, so
it's not like buzzing. But I do have the news
of the day and we'll get to it. And then
the news of the night is tonight lambeau Field Monday
Night football, Packers Eagles, big time game and what again
at this point in the season, could be forecasting for
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a playoff matchup, which would be a playoff rematch, So
a million different little things to get to. Congrats to
Dan Byer's Seattle Seahawks with a dominating win yesterday. And
congrats to Jay stew and my LA Chargers they get
a big win on Sunday Night football that we'll get to.
But the news of the day is Brian Dabole is
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out out with the new New York Football Giants. Day
Ball was asked yesterday after the game about his job security.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Here was his response.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Pretty worried about your job too many?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Yeah, I'm just focused on you know, these guys in
the locker room. You know, they're tough losses, Dan, they
really are. Everybody puts so much into it, The coach
has put so much into it. The players, you know,
and it's painful when you have when you have these endings,
you know, you stick together and you know that's what
that's what you have to do.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Here's the statement from John Mara, the chairman and chairman
Steve Tish in a joint statement quote, we spoke this
morning about the direction of our franchise on the field.
We decided that this time, at this time, it's in
our best interest to make a change in the head
coaching musician. The past few seasons have been nothing short
of disappointing. We have not met our expectations for the franchise.
We understand the franestation of our fans in order to
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deliver a significantly improved product. We appreciate coach Dayball for
his contributions to organization. We wish coach day Ball and
his family the best in the future. Joel Shane, who's
there general manager, said, we feel like Joe has assembled
a good young nucleus of talent. We look forward to
its development. Unfortunately, the results over the past three years
have not been what any of us want. We take
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full responsibility for those results.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
We look forward to the.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Kind of success the fans expect. I always love when
a general manager say, hey, we take full accountability for it,
so he's fired. H oh, Sorry, that was the owner
statement on Joe Shane.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I mean, look, I get that those losses are devastating.
I don't think he lost his job because of this year.
It's really interesting people's inability to process when they have
had Cam scattabo they were the talk of the league.
He breaks his ankle and suddenly everybody forgot the energy
that they had had when they put Jackson, Dart and
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Scattaboy and installed them in their backfield.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Again.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I'm just gonna I'm gonna disagree with this move. And
I understand that somebody says, well, you're a coach, your
team struggling, so you don't want to see any coach fired.
It's not the case in the NFL especially. I don't
understand what this What does this do for you right?
Like doesn't get you ahead of the curve with free agents,
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doesn't put you ahead of the curve with trying to
find a new coach, Like there's nobody who you want
who's not going to be on the market and be
available once you get into January. This just feels a
lot like the Jets, overreactive to fans and their desires.
He's the same coach who engineered the upset of the
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Philadelphia Eagles. I don't think any of us had great
expectations of the Giants, and when you have the level
of injuries that they've had, I don't know what anybody
expects of them. So again, if you want to look
at it and go, oh, well, hey, they didn't win yesterday,
and they lost in devastating fashion to the Bear who
came back and beat him late, it's fair, okay, But
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what were your expectations? Where are you in your development?
Remember the Bears had this same type of season last
year when they had a rookie quarterback. You have a
rookie quarterback, you've been just besieged by injuries. It may
not be good enough for you, but I don't. I
guess here's my thing, Dan Byer, I don't understand. If
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Brian Daboll is the guy to work with quarterbacks, and
you draft a quarterback and you've seen some good production
out of a rookie quarterback, then why would you put
another voice in the rookie quarterback's ear at this point
in time or even in the next year.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
That part I don't understand well.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I think that they considering the name Mike Kafka as
the interim head coach. I think that that has a
little something to do with where they think Jackson Dart's
development could continue if he stays healthy. And that's another point.
As he's knocked out of yesterday's game and Russell Wilson
comes in and does nothing and the Bears come back
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from a ten point deficit and rally and get the win,
there seems to be an enormous disconnect. But you can't
ignore the numbers of day bole. They just have won
eleven games since the first season he took over, there
were a nine win team. They went to the playoffs,
they beat the Vikings and then they lost to the
Eagles in the divisional round. But since that point they've
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won eleven games total. It's the third straight year they're
two to eight, and no matter how great things have
been with Jackson Dart, at some point a change needs
to be made. And I don't know if Joe Shane
is the ear of John Marra and the other ownership
the Tish family in terms of making that decision, but
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I noticed on TikTok. Over the last week or so,
there was a lot of anti Joe Shane rhetoric coming out,
and so there almost seems doug to be a divide
maybe even between Joe Shane and find Dable. So Dabell
ends up being the fall guy. That's maybe plasier with
all of it.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
But I think that I don't think there's any I
don't know there's any question that if Joel Shane still
has a job and Brian Dabole doesn't, that there's a
disconnect between the two of them. And again, I'm my
My point continues to be and I get it. You
give Kafka, I guess a little bit of a look here,
but you know this is not that different from what
we saw with Penn State, Like, well, what did you
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expect when Russell Wilson takes over and you know you've
had the level of injuries that they've had.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Again, you can make a change. I'm not saying you
can't make coaching changes. I don't understand the mid season
coaching change. I don't get that. And you could say, well,
he's had enough seasons, enough time, like okay, what are
we what do.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
We do here.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
When you bring in and you change coaches out mid season,
you're giving Kafka a chance to be a head coach.
He's still just going to call the call the offense.
It's not really going to change that much, a little
bit of a different voice.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
What is interesting with Kafka, though, is he has interviewed
for head coaching jobs in the NFL before, right, so
it's not out of nowhere that he would take over
and maybe this could be the position. It's also funny
that it feels like it's the second coach that Russell
Wilson has gotten fired.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
That was that was the next part I was getting
to was happen in Denver? Right, happened in Denver, and
and it happens here, And it's I mean, that's that's
really the part. The common denominator there. He's just not
any good. And it's not just that he's not any good.
And again, you're gonna experience this on any team you
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you cover, any team, you you watch, any team you're
a part of, which is there are guys that are
competent at their position, or at their job, or at
their role, but other guys just don't like them, right
for whatever reason they just and especially at quarterback, it
just feels like when Russell Wilson trots out there, everybody
rolls their eyes.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, here we go again.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
There was a scenario in yesterday's game, and I know
Packers played a night. I don't know if Giants Bears
was the local game in Green Bay, but there was
a scenario in the game yesterday where the Giants were
facing a goal to go situation and on first and
goal from the seven, they gave it to Devon Singletary
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who got it down to the Chicago one. So now
your second and goal at the one and a seventeen
to ten ballgame. They gave it to Devin Singletary again,
he lost the yard, so now it's third and goal
at the two. Then Russell Wilson ran for his life
scrambling got it back to the one, third and goal
or on that third goal, so now it's fourth and goal,
and they kicked a nineteen yard field goal to go
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up ten. Most teams probably would have gone for it
in that situation, but the Giants. For what the Bears
had done offensively up to that point, they had only
scored ten points. It was a windy day in Chicago,
but they ended up kicking the field goal that maybe
gave Chicago life and the rest is history. Fourteen unanswered
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and the Bears leave with a win. So we had
Pam Oliver on our Sunday show yesterday. She did the sideline.
She said, the air was absolutely taken out of the
Giants when Jackson Dart went out with the concussion.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And that's the thing about Russell Wilson. And that's honestly,
I can't believe they haven't gone to Jameis Winston, you know,
because Jameis Winston, though he can be a turnover machine,
there's an energy that he brings that you have to
have when you come in as a backup, and Russell
does not have that. When Russell Wilson comes in, it's
a Debbie downer. Everybody rolls their eyes. Oh boy, here
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we go.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
And this is what the Giants did, Okay, after they
were able to get the h to get a stop.
When Russell Wilson is in the contest, they end up
running the ball on consecutive place Doug second and first
and ten five yards second and ten holding penalty backs
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him up second and twenty tyrone Tracy five yards third
and fifteen from the Chicago thirty eight yard line. Five yards.
They just ran the ball up ten. Then the Bears
went and answered with their two touchdown drives. They were
unwilling to let Russell Wilson throw the football or do
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anything with the football team.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Because it's pretty obvious that he can't do it. And
that's why there's the collective eye rolling, you know, I mean,
it just is. I mean, I have nothing against the guy.
I don't know him. We've had no negative interactions. I'm
just telling you that I had heard. Obviously it's he's
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really got the weirdest career ever, right, Because the perfect
example of it is, can you recall a team dan
Byer in your twenty years, Jasetu, you're the same, We've
all been in this thing combined seventy five plus years.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Can you recall a player who is the quarterback of
a team that won the Super Bowl another team that
lost in the Super Bowl that was perennially dominant that
I haven't ever heard a former Seahawk come out and
go that's my guy. Hey, you guys are being critical.
He was awesome when he's in Seattle. Nobody nobody like
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for all the and we all agree that Aaron Rodgers
was better at his peak and his better quarterback. But
for all of Aaron Rodgers haters out there, Aaron Rodgers
has all those guys that played with him before would
love to play with him again. Don't see that from
Russell Wilson. It's the weirdest career ever that no one
is excited about Russell Wilson being the quarterback of their team.
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No one is excited about him coming into his back,
Like can you imagine if you're on the Giants. Think
about this for a second. You're on the Giants and
your quarterback goes down, Like, all right, who are you
going to next? How about a guy who's been you know,
probably a Hall of Famer, won a Super Bowl, been
in another one, perennially top ten quarterback in the league.
He comes trotting in. You would think normally everybody like, hey,
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we got Russell Wilson, We're good. And it's the exact
opposite of that. From play callers to overall mojo to feeling,
it's the weirdest career I can possibly think of.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
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Speaker 1 (13:37):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, Dan Dan, And you'd
ask me a question. What's the appropriate question you should
ask everybody who's in Green Bay about tonight?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
How cold is it going to be? Oh?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, that's one question. It's gonna be called really cold.
Next question, kickoff about twenty nine degrees.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
In college tuobs, green Bay topped ripping eighty three sixty three.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, yeah they did, Yeah they did.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Is that a win because we were I didn't think
it was? And Sam says, because was it an exhibition?
Or is it because they're D three?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
But it's still everybody. Everybody in our league plays D
three teams.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I'm not saying that that you're alone in that. But
there were times when I remember, you know, Wisconsin would
play like hey, uw Platfills coming to town to open
the season. So I wasn't sure if.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
That was that was it? And that was a game
as well. The first two. So the first two were exhibitions.
We played Bradley, we lost an exhibition. We played Saint Norbert,
also a Division three played badly an exhibition once you
start playing games, unless it's unless it's signified as an exhibition,
it is an official game.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Okay, So does Rippan count the loss because ESPN didn't
have their skin, their record on their their their low.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
They they want to know another one one, okay, so
well we will definitely take it.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
They will take it, and as.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
As many of my friends and coaching because last year
I was like, we're not playing Division three, so we
played one Division two. We had you know, we had
injuries and we get popped. And uh, all my coaching
buddies like, dude, play four of them. Our league only
lets you play two. They're like, nobody cares. Just win games.
It's all anybody cares about. I mean, that's the difference
last year. And we won four games with the air
(15:25):
four Division one games. There's plenty of other teams that
won six or seven, but they won like four D
three games.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Sure, so we don't have to give it back.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Now it's Doug otlab Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
They played really well, they were they shot the hell
out of the basketball. Uh, let's welcome in Tom to LESCo, who,
of course the former gentlemenager of the Chargers and their
eight is I got a bunch of things to get
to first, let me get your reaction Brian Dable. So
again you have and I haven't talked about this soft air,
(15:54):
but I do want to ask you. Guys went to
the same high school, right, but you were a senior,
he was a freshman in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, So when when you made your last coaching hire,
there's a lot of people like, well, they're boys, so
you're going to hire him. Gimme you interviewed him. What
are your thoughts on Brian Dable the coach.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Yeah, and I first of all, I don't care what
Dan bears. The congrats on the win this morning, so
take it and move on.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
So yeah, so Brian Dable. Yeah, so I've known Brian
since I was in high school, good friends with him. So,
but you know, this is a business. So you're looking
at the body of work, and Brian had a great
body of work. He was a coordinator multiple times, kind
of moving up the chain, worked for some great people Belichick,
mcsaban among others, and he had a really good feel
(16:42):
for the overall how he wanted to build a football team.
Now we went in a different direction, but it was
nothing against Brian briand died up spanning in the interview
process and had a great body of work and he
got the Giants job. And you know, look, the head
coach is responsible for the final product. And I'm not
a big fan of interim head coaches. But as you know, Doug,
pro sports and probably college sports at this point, like
(17:03):
there's that pound of flesh mentality that that you know,
somebody has to go, you know, because the team underperformed,
certainly on defense. Offensively, there's a lot of reasons for that,
but certainly them under performed on defense.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What about
the timing of it?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Right like they're winning the game, Uh, Dark goes down,
Russell Wilson comes in, they lose the game late, he's
had Scataboo gets hurt. Now Dark gets in the in
concussion protocol and they lose the game. You know, we're
not We're we're just past the midway point. What are
your thoughts on the logic behind the timing of making
(17:37):
a change.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Now, I'm not a big fan of it, and this
is not something the Giants do very often, so that
that may just tell you behind the scenes that just
really wasn't going very well at all because they're a
very patient group for their professional group. But certainly this
is not done to try and you know, rally the
troops for this year that this year is essentially over
with and the success rate of interim head coach is
(17:59):
not a good anyway. But what it does give them,
it does give them a chance to start working on
their process of the next set coach as far as research,
talking to people, and it gives them a chance to
do it without doing it behind Brian Gables back, which
nobody would want to see that some professional way to
do it. So it gives them more time. Now they
can't talk with anybody obviously unless someone is out of
(18:20):
work like at like McCarthy or somebody like that. But
it gives them a chance to really start diving into
their homework on who's going to be on their interview
list as soon as the season is over.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Supports Radio. Tom telasco
is our guests. He's a former general manager both the
Chargers and for last year the Raiders. Chargers get to
win over the Steelers. You and I have discussed these
two teams separately before was last night about the Chargers
or about excuse me, the Steelers?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Has last night about the Chargers or the Steelers.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Good question. It's usually always it's got the a combination
of both. And that's I think what you saw last
night just between the Chargers defense or it's really it
had some off weeks recently, but they really picked it
up last night. And if you can get the Steelers
in a two score game where the Charges are up
by two scores, and if you can force Pittsburgh to
now it's going to have to be a straight drop
back the majority of the rest of the game, that's
(19:11):
where they're going to struggle. They just don't have the
pass protection up front. They're just not built for that.
They're more built for run the ball, play action, moved
the pocket, and obviously at this point Aaron Rodgers he
does not have the capability that he had in the past.
We saw it last year at the Jets. We saw
we saw some games like this last year at the Jets,
so we shouldn't be overly surprised that that would happen
last night. But the Chargers didn't blit a lot. They
(19:32):
were able to get pressure with four because they saw
some weaknesses on the edges and the quarterback really just
couldn't couldn't get movement inside the pocket. And then there
wasn't a whole lot of people a throat too. They
took Metcalf away. Jenny Smith has had a really good year,
but they couldn't get him going. And other than that,
there's nowhere to go with the football and you're just
not going to run it as much when you're down
by two scores. So that was just, you know, a
(19:54):
combination of the Chargers defense, which played outstanding last year.
It's been a little up and down this year, but
saw last night and the charge of defense is what
we saw in the past. They can really shut people
down both on the pass when they get going.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Man Herbert's good. I mean with no offensive line. I
mean you just got backups all over and he's still outstanding.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
I mean, I mean why you pay him.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
That's why you pay these guys the money you pay them,
because as you get injuries or people are not performing,
they have to raise the level of everybody else. And
he did that.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Last night, no no question, no question about it. Doug
Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports traded Tom Telescosner, I guess explain
for me the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
They're just going to have to get in the playoffs.
That's that's gotta be the goal right now. When the
year started, they had a ton of injuries that they're
still working through that. There hasn't been a big consistency
level on either side of the ball. On defense, and
I talked about this this summer that you know they're
they're run defense. I love their linebackers. They're fast, they're rangy,
(20:54):
but they're on the smaller side, and when teams line
up and run the ball hard at them, you know
you're weak to show up. He saw that yesterday. I've
had a lot of mistackles from the middle of the
defense to the running game. They're on defense struggled offensively.
I know they don't have a number one receiver, but
it hasn't been a bit much of an issue because
Josh Allen just spreads the ball around to everybody. Now,
(21:15):
Dalton Kincaid being out with the hamstring and I doubt
he'd be ready to play this week. Just the way
he came off the field, that looks like a multi
week injury. He was one of their big playmakers, and
that's gonna hurt them. It's gonna hurt their offense. They're
actually get cooked going a lot more, but they got
to survive a little bit of the injury hits right now.
I'm not if you live in Buffalo right now, you're
(21:37):
hugely concerned. If you're on the outside looking him like
I am a little bit more measured with it. I
think they're gonna be okay, but they gotta get the
defense picks a little bit here, and Josh Allen can
still make Josh Allen type plays, but at this point
they're just kind of limping into the second half of
the season. You'd like to see better football, and I
think we'll see it from them moving forward.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
What is it that makes Rabel so good?
Speaker 6 (21:59):
How they put this team together as fast as they have,
It's amazing. Between Mike Grabil and Elliott Wolf, they essentially
bought a brand new defense and freegency, which rarely ever works,
but it does work if your evaluations are right. You
spend the right money and the right players, and they've
got eight starters on defense that were bought in free agency,
and the defense is playing on point physical. A lot
(22:20):
of that Mike Brabil and then offensively, you know, Drake
May has just taken off. And I think the combination
of him and Josh McDaniel's is just a combination made
in heaven. It really is. They both both love football,
both both have high levels of football intelligence, and Drake
May is just he's and then he added in is
you know, he's got good size, athletic, he's tough, he's accurate.
(22:42):
The Bucks brought a lot of pressure yesterday like they
do against everybody, and a lot of quarterbacks struggle against it,
and Drake May did not. And Drake May's doing this
without even a full complement of skill players. You know,
I thought they were still a year away from really competing,
and I was completely wrong going into the season. You
see them play now. So they got the quarterback, offensive line,
it's usually improved. They got two rookies playing right now
(23:03):
in the offensive line, which a huge weakness last year
has been a strength so far this year. So and
you know this is this is Mike Rabel's in proNT
on the team and it's, uh, this is why some
of these other coaches get let go because you see
a team like the Patriots that bring a new head coach,
new culture. They made a lot of changes and they've
hit it and they're eight and two right now.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I don't know if you watched, you know, you and
I talk about how much you watch college games even now,
even still, Fernando Mendoza was okay against Penn State. They
kind of they struggled, but the the toe tap by
Omar Cooper Junior was incredible and Mendoza down the stretch
was really really good. So was Dante More of Oregon. Right,
he made a couple through a couple of dimes there
(23:44):
down the stretch. When what's the reality to evaluation? How
do you evaluate and cut out the noise of oh,
what he did in college in this clutch throw or
these numbers when it doesn't necessarily tell the story of
what will translate in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Yeah, it's definitely not a week to week look at
players like a stock market, stock going up, stock going down.
It's just not how it works. You're taking in the
full body work where there's a year or two years
or three years, and you put it all together and look,
there are gonna be years where there's not a first
round quarterback. It doesn't mean every single year, there's gonna
be one, two, and three first quarterback. They're going the
first round. They aren't good enough to go in the
(24:20):
first round. I haven't studied these players yet to know
that they do have some skills that you like, but
there's no guarantee their first round quarterback. So I actually
remember last year or two years at this time, like
JJ McCarthy, bon Nicks, even Penix, nobody was talking about
those guys being first round quarterbacks. But after the whole
process went through, they all end up going in the
first round. So there's still a lot of work to
(24:42):
be done. I think both those players really show some
interesting skills. Mendoz Are going back to Cali, he was
this is just TV watching would kind of flash like,
hey who is this kid and do some research on them.
Dante Moore at UCLA, you know, probably wasn't ready for
prime time yet he was out there as a true
rushman and you know, had his ups and downs, end
(25:02):
up losing the job halfway through the year, but he
had some real skills as you can see in that game. Now,
are is he ready to play NFL football and to
be a starter week one? Probably not, but there's still
a lot of work to be done as you look
at the whole body of work for their career.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Uh, what what what's the story with Calibury? Like, what's
the real story?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I know he's hurt, but even if he wasn't hurt,
he wouldn't be starting in Arizona. They gave him a
big contract. What What's what's the real story with Calamary?
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I'm not so sure that you know, I wouldn't be
ready to be pushing the job that Jacoby Brissette already.
I mean, Jacoby's been in the league a long time.
It's been with six or seven teams. He's he's been
a full time starter once or twice. And like I
like Jacoby Brissett a lot. He doesn't turn the ball
over in terms of interceptions, but he's not real mobile
and he's never really been a long time full time starter.
(25:54):
Kyler Murray is still the most talents of the two quarterbacks.
Is there a consistency level there? It just hasn't quite
been there. I can tell you from being an opponent.
He's really hard to play against because you just never
know where he's going to be in the pocket. You
always have to be able to defend his run game.
He's got a big time arm, you know for a
smaller quarterback. But I understand on the offensive side of
the ball that posed some problems too that you know,
(26:17):
a lot of it is just you know, just natural
playmaking ability, maybe not so much in structure. So the
biggest thing is is, you know, the head coach and
GM weren't there when he was drafted, and there's certainly
an investment level in different players. I still think he's
extremely talented. I'm not ready to give up on him yet,
but obviously there you know, it could go a different direction.
But to me, if they're both healthy right now, I
(26:39):
think Kyler Murray, Kyler Murray is still their starting quarterback.
I don't know if they agree with me on that though.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
No, I listen, I agree with you, but they have
said that's not the case. So there has to be
something else there, right because on I'm pure talent playmakings,
it's not really that close. And again, like you said,
we know who Jacoby Brissette is. Forget the fumbles yesterday.
He's a really he's a great dude, really good backup.
He's not Kyler Murray, who, as you know, talent wise,
(27:06):
is a starter and has a chance to do some
elite things, So there has to be some some amount
of kind of breakdown between relationships in order to tell people, hey,
Kyler Murray healthy, are not healthy?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
He's coming off the bench.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
Yeah, I could see that, and you can see because
it looks like with Brissette, and I'm not surprised by this.
He just brings a sense of calm to the offense.
But you still have you know, the fumbles have been
an issue through his career. But he's just a complete
different style obviously than what they were playing with, which
was also a little bit you know, it's that's a
little bit different too. They really have to run two different, separate,
(27:39):
two separate offenses to space and the skill sets the
two quarterbacks. But you could obviously see, you know, there's
some sort of disconnect between him and Marvin Harrison Junior
because they just were out in the same page last
year and even this year the way it started, they
weren't quite in the same page, which is hard to fathom.
So there's got there must be something going on behind
the scenes there. I don't know what it is, but
I still think Kyler is extremely talented and certainly has
(28:01):
much more upside moving forward than Jacobe does.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
At this point.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Uh, Tom, when are you coming up to see the game?
Have you ever seen a game at LAMBA like as
a fan?
Speaker 6 (28:11):
I've seen very few professional football games as a fan
in my lifetime.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
So no, okay, all right, Well how about either this
year or next year?
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Well, I want to double up. I want to catch
a Green Bay Phoenix basketball game and I want to
see a Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Pack Had you been here today, That's what we did.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
We played at eleven o'clock, so everybody's got plenty of
time for Monday night football.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Now I did that for you.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
This is me why Okay. I looked at this, I
saw the score. I'm like, what kind of played this game?
Seven am? Okay, that makes sense now.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Eleven am is education day, so it was full of
screaming kids. That was That was the idea.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Nice grated on the win.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Thank you. We will take it. I do not have
to give it back, though Dan Bayer wants me to
give it back. I will. I won't give it back.
It's mine taking it on.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Behalf of all Division three athletes out there. I would
have loved the chance to play against the Division one
team even though I got my butt kicked, but it
would have been. It's just the opportunity would be great.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
To have, no question.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Tom Telesco, general manager of the Chargers and Raiders and
a good friend of the program, he joins us for
his weekly spot.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Tommy, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
All right, Thanks, Doug, take care.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
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Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
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Speaker 2 (29:38):
Ooh rah.
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Speaker 2 (29:55):
Let's get to Dan Byer in a game.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. All right, Doug,
the game today is big deal, Little deal, No deal?
Big deal, little deal or no deal. That the Rams
dominated the forty nine ers in Santa Clara yesterday, final
score forty two to twenty six.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I think it's a big deal. I just do.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I know the Niners are all banged up. It's like
a yearly thing. But we're searching for a team. The
Rams are more believable than the Colts. That's my takeaway.
And again, like I got Jonathan Taylor, He's winning me
in my fantasy league. He's unbelievable. But the Rams are
more believable in the Colts. And I think it's Stafford.
(30:49):
Have you seen the numbers he's been putting up? Obscene, obscene.
It's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Yeah, they're really good. They host the Seahawks coming up
in week eleven, battle of two seven and two teams.
Big deal, little deal or no deal. That Caleb Williams
led the Bears to another comeback win. It's their sixth
victory in seven games.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I can't see how it's anything more than a big deal,
you know, anything more? We all had and we still
have some questions about Kayleb Williams, but for a first
time head coach to be able to make it work,
and Kayleb Williams is not perfect, I mean, this is
pretty outstanding stuff. And the fact that they keep fighting
for him when it feels like they're being also pretty
(31:30):
big stuff. I think it's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
With those six wins firmly in the playoff picture right now,
and maybe the forty nine ers are on their way out.
Who knows, but Rock Purty could be coming back soon.
All right, Let's jump over to the AFC. Big deal,
little deal or no deal? Doug that the Bengals today
open the twenty one day practice whin do for quarterback
Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
It's a big deal, although quarterback has not been as
much their issue as defense. But can they still be
a playoff contender when he gets back? That's the big question.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I know three and six right now. The Jaguars hold
the final playoff spot in the AFC at five and four,
so they're two back in the lost column and not insurmountable.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
It's surmountable. No one ever says that elite is surmountable.
If you ever knows sense, they always say it's insurmountable.
That everard have you have you ever in your life
heard anybody say it's surmountable.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
No, Well you just did first time for everything. Yeah,
the big deal, little deal of no deal. That Indiana
escaped on the road at Penn State with a late
touchdown on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Huge huge.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
We can sit there and go, hey, Penn State backup
quarterback and at Penn State interim head coach. But this
is like, that's college football. It's when you're least expected.
There's that one. You know, this is an Ohio State fan.
I used to call them luck eyes. On the national
championship years, they would always be like two. You're like,
there's no reason for them to be close, you know,
like one year was Perdue that had Ohio State like
dead to rights me.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
How was at that game two thousand and four?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Heck last year, last year? What happened?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Michigan kicks their ass in the big game, right, So
this does happen. And when you can just find a
way to survive, like that's a championship team, You're not
gonna blow everybody out even once you're way better than
a week after week.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Now, for the record, it should be not at all.
High State did go on to win the national championship
after Michigan beat them thirteen to ten. I said that, Yeah,
you said kick their A and so, and then Michigan.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
And Ohio State went on the winnst Championship, right y, I.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Don't know, Okay, yeah, what semantics?
Speaker 2 (33:37):
You know you don't like the guy said they kicked
their ass.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I hate. I think you're trying to get back at
me for questions using a parallel of probably call in
and call me Dan Bayer or something like that. That's
probably where we're headed. Let's bring them in tom to
Lasco joining us here. Uh, just kidding. By the way,
two thousand and two, like half of the season was
(34:02):
that with Ohio State. Every single game was a root canal,
but they prevailed, all right, finally, Doug big deal, little dealer,
no deal that former lsu A coach Brian Kelly has
rejected all settlement offers from the school as he's due
fifty four million dollars on his contract.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
What's the Russian guy in rounders? Jay Stu?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
That's John Makovic's character. What's his name? I forget his
famous line is, pays the man his money.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
And I think we have that drop somewhere.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Pays the man his money, paid that men his money. There,
you go, paid that then his money. It'd be like, hey, no,
you want to fire me, It's all good, Hey coach,
you want to like, well, you know, well, listen, you
don't want to argue a haggle over this thing. You
don't get a lawyer and lose a percentage over it.
Like how about you just give me? He's like, no, no, no, Bays.
(34:54):
A man is money, basement is.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Money, and that's game time.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
That's game This is game time on The Dug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
That's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
I got I got a great back and forth to
tell you about uh my son and some friends with
betting on the Steelers game last night. Plus we got
love and hate from the weekend. What'd you love from
the weekend? What'd you hate for the weekend? Shure our
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