August 4, 2023 • 37 mins
Doug breaks down the news of more college conference re-alignment as Arizona and Oregon are leaving the Pac 12 for the Big Ten. FOX Sports college football analyst RJ Young joins Doug to talk about the Pac-12, Big Ten and all of the consequences of the recent college football news. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes Doug through a game of "Psychic".
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ten for PAC twelve, for the Big ten. That's the headline,
But there's so much more to the story than that, right, Like,
this is such a weird way of covering an event,
you know, because it's a it's a moving target. And
I'll give a lot of my brethren in the media
a pass if freezing cold takes exposed ends up coming
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after them. That last night, it appeared the PAC twelve
would find a way to stay together, the marriage of convenience.
I don't know, the Big Ten doesn't want to give
us the full boat of money. And you know, I mean,
does Arizona really want to leave? It's a long way
West Virginia and Cincinnati and Central Florida or even to Texas.
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So what happens, Well, I would say that the Big
Ten got leveraged, that's my guess, and leveraged in this
particular way. Right you have Oregon in Washington who probably
will struggle to command that full share of seventy million dollars. Now,
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part of the part of the issue is those TV
deals I've been told aren't actually finalized, aren't actually signed, sealed, delivered.
So remember you have three different entities, Fox, CBS, and
NBC who carry the Big Ten. And so again it's
staggered in terms of who who has the most Big
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Ten games, who pays the most money. But essentially you
got to come up with one hundred and forty million
dollars per year from those three empties in order to
get these two teams to equal. I don't know if
they're getting equal because obviously there's a massive gap between
the seventy million and the twenty million with some upside
that they were going to make in the in the
PAC twelve. But just to guess, and again it's a
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guess because I'm like the rest of you. I'm watching
this whole thing unfold on Twitter. It feels like the
Big ten got leveraged. You know, you don't want to
give us the full thing. We'll just stay in the
big big in the PAC twelve anyway, We'll just stay
here where we make twe million and there's the chance
of growth to thirty five forty. We'll just stay here,
all right. Well, well, and what if we cut you
in a full share? Or maybe it's not a full share,
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maybe it's close to maybe it's three quarters of a share.
I'm not sure. But here's where I will give my
media brethren a pass on. Well, you got the story, right,
you got the story, ron et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
The stories change, people change their minds, and you're also
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getting quotes from the opinion of you know, one, not
not everybody. I mean, I saw some quotes like, man,
I'll tell you what if if Arizona leaves the PAC twelve,
they deserve an Oscar. The Oscar goes too. But part
of that was, Yeah, if Oregon and Washington stand, we're
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in Oregon Washington leaving, we're out. We're out. And I
don't actually know like Arizona I think it. I actually
think that Arizona, Arizona State you taught, be a great
fit for the Big twelve. But I can see a
world in which Arizona wants to be a Southern California school.
That's where they draw, you know, that's where they draw from.
And if they say, oh what if we added San
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Diego State and UNLV and we're gives you a chance
to compete in football where they can't really in the
Big Ten, Big twelve and you still remain a basketball
powerhouse and you can still recruit Southern California. Not a
crazy thought. The problem with that is what is the
value to the TV market when I mean you add
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UNLV in San Diego State. Those are not ratings cash cows.
But I've been doing this for twenty years, so I've
seen all the different Power five conference realignment things. Right,
the Back twelve screwed it up. They could have ended
the Big Twelve two years ago, could have ended them
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back when the conference has originally expanded in twenty twelve.
All it could have been it, they didn't, and now
the PAC twelve appears to be on the brink of
some form of elimination or combination with one of the
other leagues. Maybe they do the Mountain West and they
stay out West, or maybe they do something with the
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ACC as we have ACC schools that are suddenly now
thinking of leaving. It's also one of those stories where
you know, fans have a tendency to do I only
do college, I only do pro. Have you ever noticed that.
I've never really understood that logic. I get that your
band with, you know, with college and NBA basketball, it's
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just so many games. It's really hard, you know, where
you lock in on the You lock in on the
pro stuff in the offseason, the college stuff early in
the season. You know, you watch the pros around Christmas
and Valentine's and then college the rest of the time,
and then when college is over, you slide back to
the pros. That's how I do it. But there are
a lot of people, especially football, who are college or
pro nothing in between. And those people who say they're pro,
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they say they don't care that everybody who says, I
don't care about this is the other one goes like, yeah,
I like it, but you know, I don't care. I
don't care. So it's Doug Otlieb Show here on Fox
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Sports Radio. I just I it's so weird though. The
conference thing is so weird. I talked to somebody in
the Big Twelve and they were like, you know, they're
thinking about changing the name of the conference, which makes sense,
only does it? Right? Like the Big Ten hasn't had
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ten teams in years and yet always been known by
the Big Ten. The Big twelve hasn't had twelve teams
in years and yet still knows the Big twelve. The
PAC twelve switch from the Back ten to the PAC twelve,
they were the only ones that gota right now do
you call that league? What do you call that league?
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But I like, I remember I was over at the
other place back when Texas was going to the PAC twelve.
We went to sleep, We woke up the next day
and they were staying in the Big twelve. And I
think Joe shadd had the story right. The difference was
things changed because somebody threw more money in the pot.
In this case, it was ESPN threw a bunch of
money at Texas, you know, gave them the Longhorn Network,
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and the rest, as they say, is history. So what
happened with Oregon and Washington? I'm guessing whatever they wanted
money wise, they got a lot closer to after midnight
when everybody shut off their phones and their computers. It
looked like they were going to remain in the pac twelve.
Suddenly now they're going to the Big ten. What does
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that mean? Big ten? Off for more money.
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We got some more college football. My guy rjyung Uh.
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He's a dude who lives in Oklahoma. We share that
as brethren, although he's much more in the ou than OSU.
He's got the number one show podcast. We'll get his
thoughts on this. What looks like titanic landship, tectonic land shift. Yeah,
a sea change. Ooh, that was a coop on sea
change in college sports with the movement in the Pac
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twelve to the Big Ten and the Big twelve that
up coming in I don't know, seven minutes or so.
There's a lot to talk about Tua Tongue Bailoa. You know,
I went to that game last year when he took
on Justin Herbert, and there was a dramatic difference between
the two. We also told you that Tua had to
learn how to fall like didn't fall right, which is
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interesting because I got some criticism on social media from
people like what do you mean doesn't learn how to fall? Like, dude,
you got to learn how to fall. He's getting raggalled.
And then there's the other part where Tua gets hurt
every year, and mostly when he gets hurt, it's because
he can't really escape. Here's Mike McDaniel talking about the
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strength that his quarterback added over the offseason.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
He really took his training on his body serious this
offseason for a multitude of reasons. And you know, I've
seen various things. He has a little more short area
explosiveness where you're able to manipulate yourself in the pocket
at a more explosive rate. You know, I don't know
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this to be fact, but it appears by my layman's
eye that he has more pitches in his arsenal. You know,
he can layer stuff and drive it just with even
more command. Then you know, he's already pretty dept at
considering his accuracy. So I think it just overall helps
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him feel prepared and execute a lot of things. And
the residuals are apparent and various.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Look I like it too. I mean, obviously he had
to add strength his ball, his ball floated. I mean
going back to that, going back to that game against
the Chargers, you know, they sat on all the en
routes and made him throw out routes and the ball
just does not have the same life. So he's tried
to add some life to it. The one thing that
will about early season football and regular season and then
late season football is all that strength you added, you
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have to continue to maintain the entire time. It's just
hard to do. You know, it's hard to do. Quarterbacks
generally don't work and work on their strength in season,
and so though you can add bulk in the offseason,
that stuff comes off after practice comes off.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Seems like there's a lot riding on Tua this year.
I mean, not only have they like surrounded them with
all the tools, but you know Tyreek Hill and his
arrogance saying that you know he's gonna he's gonna go
over two thousand yards and he's going to go into
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the Hall of Fame as a dolphin. A lot of
that rides on if Tua could get them the ball,
Like that's the arrogance in those statements. Because a receiver's
productivity has almost everything to do with the quarterback. You're
playing for.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Uh yes, But remember they get him the ball as
a running back. They get him the ball on those
little pop passes. They get in the ball, out in
the flats, they get in the you know, the idea
is get him the ball anywhere. I'll say this about
Tyreek Hill, right, he is annoying with I mean, he's
obviously had some bad issues off the field, and then
his constant discussion about how great he is. But he
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really is that good. I mean he he is so
much faster than everybody else. It's crazy. It's crazy. I
mean again, I'm drawing on I've seen him in other games,
but see him in that Charger game when you know
he picks up a fumble and then just outruns everybody
to the end zone.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
What was the name of that play? Like fumbles scrum fumble.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I didn't know. There wasn't the name of a play fumble, scrum, fumble, scrum,
but there there was a there was a play where
and then he and then he caught a testdown passed
away like he was their whole offense. He's their whole
team offensively nuts But at the end of the day, Tua,
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though he can have better pocket manipulation with added speed
and quickness, He's still not fast. He's still not terribly quick,
and though his strength is better, some of that will
dissipate and they're gonna challenge him and throw that ball
outside the numbers. That tape has everyone talking. Doug Gottlib
Show Fox Sports Radio, got admit. I mean, it's weird
enough UCLA and USC in the Big ten, but then
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Oregon and Washington in the Big ten. That's weird. That's weird.
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R J. Young joins US College of Biolists for Fox Sports.
He hosts the Number one Show podcast of course, talks
a ton of college football and RJ, what do you
think happened between last night and today? Last night the
tweets and you know everybody's launching the same tweets. Hey
looks like the PAC twelve is going to keep it
together till today it looks like the PAC twelve is
gonna lose Oregon Washington and likely Arizona at.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Least, I think they got a better deal. I think
they got a better offer once it was clear that
the Big Ten had empowered Tony Patiti to just go
take a look at Oregon and Washington if they'll allow it.
Oregon and Washington said, hey, man, come right through. As
a matter of fact, if you got a deal, we're interested.
And I think that has everything to do not with
what the Big ten offers per se, but what the
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Pac twelve couldn't offer Oregon in Washington. And I think
that's what changed. As you're looking around and Arizona is
taking meetings and they're getting invited to the Big twelve.
And we don't know that Utah wants to stay in
the Big twelve, but we know they don't want to
necessarily or stay in the Pac twelve. They don't want
to necessarily leaven Who knows what Arizona State's thinking. Oregon
and Washington just said, you know what, we're the class
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college football programs left in this conference. What do we
have to oversee? What here is going to get us
back into the College Football playoff playing for national championships.
And they probably didn't like the hand as it looks now.
So they took that offer from the Big ten.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Do we think they got a full share?
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Yeah? I do, I do. I don't think that they're
going to get Leicester's share, and I don't think that
anybody's going to let them take lesson share, because that's
just that's not just bad politics, it's bad business. And
those are your partners, now, those are members. Those are
folks that you want to treat the same, which means
they got to carry their way to.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So what happens to what's left of the back twelve?
Speaker 5 (15:39):
We shall see. Like that's as good as it's going
to get, right now, I know what you know, Arizona
got an offer on a deal that involves streaming and
subscriptions and Apple, and they said, this is not what
we signed up for. We already watched Colorado out maneuver
us as Arizona's been very loud about them, we should
probably go to the Big twelve, and Colorado just went
ahead it. And now you're looking around and you're going, Okay,
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what's left here? Stanford, cal Us, Arizona State, Utah? How
do you feel about that hand going into an expanded
college football playoff, especially as the Big Ten is only
getting larger, remember us the UCLA next year, and the
SEC is only getting larger again with Oklahoma and Texas.
I think that this is all about survival because Doug,
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you know this and I know this. We're college football fans.
That's your marketing engine. That's why kids go to school there.
Like there is a direct correlation that's been studied between
winning football games and average ACT and SAT scores. You're
also talking about do people want to send their kids
to a program that is winning at a high level.
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Alabama has seen this bump since Nick Saban took the job,
and that's why Nick Saban is one of the highest
paid coaches in the sport because he feeds everybody else
in the television deals feed your university. They make you solvent.
And if you don't know which your twenty twenty four
is going to look like, and what you got in
your hand is you got to go out and sell
it to make it better. No, let's go get what
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we know we can already future forecast and make ourselves
solvent for the future.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Best guess though, what happens. Well, let's start with the
Big twelve conference near and dear to our hearts. Obviously,
do Big twelve take Arizona or to take Arizona Arizona
State in Utah.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
I think they would take all three. I think that
it would make sense to them one. Utah is the
two time defending Pac twelve champion. I think that's one
of the other reasons why the Pac twelve is where
it is. Like if Michigan had beaten Ohio State back
to back, we're talking about them playing for a national
championship because that's what it means. Utah beats USC back
to back and nobody says anything. Nobody's chirping about Utah
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playing the college football playoffs and we're still, you know,
media members pick USC to win this conference again. Utah
can't get the respect that it deserves for its football
program that's number one, number two BYU's already over there.
That is a natural counterpart. You you feed off of
each other. The Holy word's a big deal in every sport.
Right then you're talking about Arizona Arizona State. I mean,
while we could have our opinions about the football programs
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whose football has been played the last few years, I'm
going to defer to you and say what in Arizona
and Arizona State love to play in the best college
basketball conference this side of the NBA. I think so.
And I think Brent, you were marked being a basketball guy,
would like nothing more than to add those two programs
to his considerable roster. About standing college basketball programs, I
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just don't see how if you've got an invitation you
would pass that up. If you are Utah in the
Arizona schools, oh, I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Think they pass it up. I think it's for the
Big Twelve. They got a factor in Okay, well, if
we offer these schools one, are we going to get that,
you know, thirty one million in change for each school
from our TV partners. And then the second part too.
It is and I think this is equally important. Do
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you wait on Florida State?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
You know?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Do you wait on Florida State? Do you wait on
Virginia Tech?
Speaker 5 (19:06):
I don't think you do. I think you take what's
out there to take and if you can demonstrate value
to your partners in adding the schools, they will say yes.
Because everybody wants to do good business, everybody wants to
make money, and everybody wants to have the best quality
product they can period that's whether it's on television or
whether you've got people coming out to see the Oklahoma Sooners,
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a softball team, which again is dominant. You want to
add value, and if you can demonstrate value and the
network's see value in what you want to add, I
think you'll come to an agreement on what people get paid.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Okay, do we think that the do we think that
the Big twelve? What's the level of competitiveness with the
Big ten and SEC once the doest settles.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Oh, that's the greatest, great question. That's the one that's
at the top of my brain because I go back
to what we're doing on the field or Bregan in
Washington affect winning in the Pac twelve. Right, we're talking
about two teams that have won the Pac twelve championship
in the College Football Playoff era and also the only
two from that conference to receive invitations to the College
Football Playoff. That's number one. Number two is Washington got
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beat twenty four to seven by Alabama in the twenty
sixteenth semis and Ohio State beat Oregon like a drum
in the twenty fourteen National Championship Game. The reason I
say this is thirteen of the last sixteen national champions
in the sport I love in the sport I cover
come out of the SEC since two thousand and six.
Now I can take it back even further and talk
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about two thousand and four Auburn who didn't get to
play for one, which you get my point here? Do
you affect winning? And the fact of the matter is
Georgia has beaten Oregon, Michigan and Ohio State each of
the in the last two years. We know what Washington
did to Alabama. We don't think that Washington can go
at Georgia's neck. I love Washington in won eleven games,
but I don't think they're there precisely because the two
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best teams in the conference are still the two best
teams in the conference Ohio State Michigan. Matter of fact,
Big Ten Media Days, I was fortunate to have James
Franklin in front of me and I asked him straight up,
how do you feel about being a Rose Bowl champion
but also knowing that you didn't play in the playoffs
because the two teams in your division were in the
playoff And he just said, that's the Big Ten Conference,
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That's what we signed up for. Remember, they were not
necessarily just jumping at the bit to join any conference.
It's kind of like the Notre Dame of their day,
and they joined the big tenants worked out for them.
It's worked out for James Franklin. I think they got
a ways to go before they're going to compete with
the SEC. But this gets you closer because you're gonna
have sharper teams in the conference. Like, you're not adding,
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no disrespect Rutgers, that's not what you're doing here. You're
adding the two best remaining and qual it quite quite
literally the four best teams football wise in that sport
of the last decade.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
What Oklahoma or Texas? Who fares better ones to get
the SEC?
Speaker 5 (22:00):
You're trying to get me yelled at again, your Doug.
Right now, it feels like Texas dog. I mean, right now,
it feels like the team that's been recruiting the best.
It feels like the team that's got the biggest booster budget.
It feels like the team that is filling up one
hundred thousand people at DKR for Alabama and win at
Alabama's next by the way, and if quinn Ewers doesn't
get hurt, probably beats Alabama before Tennessee does my Sooners.
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We got to be forty nine zero by Texas in
the Cotton Bowl. I can't. I can't get past that.
I can't now.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I mean, but like bowl games. Now, look, last year
was was a weird year. When you lose so many,
so much of your recruiting class because Lincoln takes them
with him, right, it's just you've had a fall off
at quarterback. Obviously, you know he's a good player, but
he's not the level of the guys before. So it's
a weird year. My fear is that OU was the
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second or third highest spending program in the conference. In
the Big twelve, they're kind of just another school in
the SEC, and I just I don't. You know, Suitor
fans way better than I do, But I don't think
they love five lost seasons, and no. One of the
issues with one of the issues with that league and
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most leagues, but that league especially is there's gonna be
a lot more five loss seasons there are one or
two loss seasons.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
I think that's right, and I think that's one of
the reasons why I was not enthusiastic about this move
to the SEC. I like winning. I like twenty four
straight winning seasons. I like knowing that I'm probably gonna
go eleven wins, twelve wins just as a bare minimum
and running all up and down and over what was
the Big twelve conference. Now that said, I think you're
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right now. The thing that I lean on most with
Oklahoma is that we care. It's the pro team down here.
So if we don't win ten games, everybody's gonna hear
about it, everybody's gonna know about it, and everybody's gonna
get back on the horse to try to go figure
out what it is we got to do to compete
in the best conference football. But to your point about
being just another team, Hey man, is LSU just a
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better another team? No, Tennessee. No, That's where Oklahoma and
for that matter, Texas will arrive. They'll arrive right there
the second tier. Alabama and Georgia have been a cut
above the demonstrated that over and over again. But Oklahoma
ought to be able to contend and beat up on LSU, Tennessee,
Florida from time to time. We can talk about how
and win, but I don't expect them to go in
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there and catch five losses on the first especially knowing
how much. They're looking forward to this. No now talking
about winning national championships, which is where my mind goes,
and that's what I want. That's gonna be tougher. There's
a lot of there's a lot of things you got
to get into place if you're Oklahoma to do that
once again. And Texas has been quite frankly, a little
bit easier on doing it. Knowing that you can go
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get one hundred grand for a dude that hadn't played
football at all to give to a local charity in Austin, Texas,
we ain't doing that at Oklahoma right now. That's the
long and the short of it. Jackson Arnold is right there,
is he getting one hundred grand to get way to
charity like our guy, Manny Arch. Come on, No, No,
I think I'm getting in my feelings about it too,
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because I'm hard on the team. I'm hard on the
team because it's my team and I expect to win
national championships. And frankly, Doug I was thirteen the last
time Oklahoma won a national championship. I don't like playing
for him. I don't like playing for them. I like
winning them. And I think that I share that with
most Oklahoma fans. But to your point, it's gonna be tough.
You're gonna get worse before you get better. But the
hope is with this move in the next three, four, five,
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even seven years, perhaps it's Oklahoma that we're talking about
the way we're talking about George R.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Jie Young joining US College footbaylists for a Fox Sports
host of the Number one show, and then you have
then you have the leftover PAC twelve teams and oh yeah,
by the way, like Stanford hasn't been good recently, but
did have about a fifteen year run there where they
were very good. Col's had some great years in the past.
What happens to Collen Stanford?
Speaker 5 (25:58):
I think they both joined the Big Ten. I'm not
look the way I look at this. The Big Ten
has been very loud about being members of the Associated
of American Universities, which means that they're one of the
best research and academically found universities in the country. I
think they're only sixty five members all together, and I
think every one of them in the Big Ten is
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and that's been a bar and I think that was
the reason to kind of hit the brakes, if you will,
on perhaps in Oregon or Washington, and then somebody looking said,
are we really gonna we're gonna argue over this. We're
not gonna let in a great university two great universities
over this? Probably not, but Cal Berkeley and Stanford. Yeah,
they passed that test, and you're willing to put up
with really great academics, really great student bodies, really strong
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alumni basis if you're like like those, especially if you're
gonna keep teams like ructors. I keep picking on them,
but that's State University in Piscataway. Okay, they don't rate
with Cal and Stanford. And if they're there and they're
open to it and you can make it work, you
go get them.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
That's isn't being cheap. That's what it feels like to
be college football analysts for Fox Sports. R J Young
the number one show podcast. You should download and listen
to it. RJ, you're the best, man. I appreciate join us.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Yeah, I appreciate the time. Man. Have a good Friday.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
All right, So let me ask you, Jay Stu. I
know your I don't give a rip is your meter
is really high on this one, But was there anything
in there that you like that you're like, ooh, I
kind of like that.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I think that the what he said about the last part,
what you said about the how these conferences are taking
into consideration, uh, education and academics and research schools. And
do you really think that with billions of dollars on
the line here, that these conferences, these mega conferences really
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care that much about the academic integrity of the universities
that they add.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I do not, but I do think that you have
to understand how it works with some of these schools. Okay,
in that yes, it is about making money, but you know,
presidents almost always come from academia, so and it is
their job to take care of the entire school. So yeah, like,
(28:19):
if you can get the Big ten, that's awesome, but
so much of it is and the Big ten. What's
different about the Big Ten from other conferences? They do
like to tout the academia, the aac thing, you know,
which everyone has to be a member of or whatever.
They do like to say, hey, look, man, we actually
care about academics. I do, but I don't know. I
(28:40):
look at it and I think it's just very interesting
to me that you have the conflict of presidents that
come from academia athletic directors who know they want the money.
And look what RJ's saying this is, I hope people
understand kids don't go to school nearly as much for
(29:01):
the school. Do they go for success? Yeats? I mean
success is probably third, right, I would say nil is
probably is the first gate, and then the second one
is an opportunity to play, And then it's how much
money can you know? How much money can I make
is first, and opportunity to play is second, and then
(29:25):
you start to get into a location, then you start
to get into system, then you start to getting other things.
And what happens is if you're not in that top
tier of making money for your athletic department. And I'm
talking about what the PAC twelve will soon be. I
mean even the Big twelve making thirty something. When ultimately
you look at what the SEC and the Big ten
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are going to be making, it's a lot more money.
But the problem with those schools that aren't making top end,
especially once you get to what the PAC twelve level
is now when you have a budget shortfall, you have
to call boosters and go like, hey man, we're short
a couple hundred grand. Can you give it to us,
and some of those boosters have already been hit up
(30:08):
for anil. Whereas if you have an excess of money,
like you do in the SEC or the Big Ten,
you don't have to hit your boosters up for anything internal.
The only thing you need them to do is give
the the collective which gets us players.
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something at Florida State. Let's let's get to game time.
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Speaker 6 (31:17):
J suw It's my favorite game.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Oh I'm sorry, j Monts of Bolognia.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
It's my favorite game.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
My favorite game too, Psychic.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
That's right Friday. So we are playing Psychic. So you're
gonna look into your crystal ball, Doug, and you're Tallas.
So many things with the NFL season is it's here,
it's upon us, right, I mean Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
Some people watch it, some people don't.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
So let's get into football, Psychic, look into your ball, Doug.
What team will Jonathan Taylor be playing for this season?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
The Innnapolis Colts.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Easy?
Speaker 7 (31:50):
You don't think there's no chance he's going anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
There's a chance. I just don't. I don't see them moving.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
You don't see it. Okay, all right, that's fair, that's fair,
all right, Psychic will Zach Wilson finished this season with
the Jets?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
M Well, he finished the season with the Jets. Oh,
because he's gonna be made in a trade fodder maybe. Uh,
that's a good question. Let me check my psychic powers. Uh,
my psychic powers, they say, yes, he will be with.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
The Yes, Okay, all right, all right, Psychic, which quarterback
will end the season with the most rushing yards?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Which quarterback?
Speaker 6 (32:38):
Yes, Lamar Jackson, Lamar Jackson, No, justin Fields, No, no,
Lamar Jackson. Okay, all right, Psychic, I don't know if
I agree with you on that one.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I can. I know they're saying they're gonna have him
throw more right and less seenery. But if you watch
Todd Monkin's office at Georgia, yeah, Stetson Bennett was running
around a bunch of out Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
All right, Psychic. Will Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott throw more
or less than fifteen interceptions this year, which was a
career high last year?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I'm gonna go more more, yes, Psychic.
Speaker 7 (33:18):
He just came out and said he wasn't gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Well, I mean, yeah, no.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
I hear you.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Anybody's gonna say, yeah, I'm gonna do that again. Yeah,
I suck you. You sucked last year. What are you
gonna do this year? I'm gonna be awesome this year.
I'm gonna I'm gonna suck again this year. All right,
all right, more things that aren't generally said, right right.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Right, right right for sure for sure? All right, super
early but psychic who's going to the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Oh man, I don't want to put the curse on him.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I think you should get out your schedules and see
which game it's.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
A loss, that's a win, you know what. I want
to pick the Chargers, but I won't. I'll pick the
Chiefs out of the AFC.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Right, go with what you know, right?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I mean you could pick the Bills of the Bengals
as well. I just I'm gonna go with the Chiefs
just to start. And the NFC is interesting, right. The
NFC have the Eagles, you know, Niners, although still not
convinced about any of their quarterbacks. I'll go Niners though
this year. Niners get in All right?
Speaker 7 (34:25):
Oh, we got breaking news right now, breaking news.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Let's close up shop with game time.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
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Speaker 1 (34:40):
All right, Well on, let's get the breaking news down
there we go.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
Breaking news from Fox Sports ESPN reporting Lakers star Anthony
Davis has a green on a three year, one hundred
and eighty six million dollar max extension, tying him to
the franchise through twenty twenty.
Speaker 7 (34:57):
Eight for a total of two seventy million polls us
he lands the richest annual extension in NBA history at
sixty two million.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
That's a lot. That's a lot.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
That's a lot. But I mean, like, look that's the
going right here. So it's just a it's three years
at the end. When does it start here?
Speaker 7 (35:19):
Let me tell you again, just tweeted it age Adrian
rard Janowski Lakers Star Grade three year, one hundred and
eighty six million MAX extension tying him to the franchise
through twenty twenty eight for a total of two hundred
and seventy million, plus lands the richest annual extension at
sixty two million.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Well, I mean, look, he had a very good year.
He's their best player. I don't think anybody necessarily disputes
the problem with with Andy Davis's how much he's been hurt.
That's it's how much he's been hurt. But he is
a dominant, dominant player. Let's see here, So it takes
him in twenty twenty eight three year extens and so
he had two years remaining.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
So how old is Anthony Davis?
Speaker 7 (36:02):
Anthony Davis?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
What do you think over under there? Jay stew On,
how old Anthony Davis.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Is, I'll go, I'll go twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I think he's thirty. I thought, yes, I think it's thirty.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
He's thirty.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
He turned his thirty year in March.
Speaker 7 (36:17):
Yes, correct, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
So twenty eight he'll be thirty five. Okay, I'm not
out as down on that as as I want to be,
but I mean, like, look this, dude. These are the
number of games he's played his last year in New Orleans.
Fifty six, sixty two, the lockout, the what's it called year?
(36:41):
He COVID thirty six, COVID year thirty six he played
forty a year ago with the Lakers, and fifty six
this year. So in terms of money per game, he's
getting far and away the biggest contract.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
Yeah, Doug, have you ever taken that test where you
put in all your stuff for your health and it
says you're like sixty years old? That's what it should
say for asking Davids like he's technically thirty, but in
basketball years, he's probably like forty nine.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
No, cap.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
He is, definitely, he definitely has old man body. I
was told, and I think he's done better, but I
was told. The reason that he wears the uh let's
just say ribbed white tank top underneath his jersey so
when he does postgame interviews, it doesn't show off as bodad,
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ten for PAC twelve, for the Big ten. That's the headline,
But there's so much more to the story than that, right, Like,
this is such a weird way of covering an event,
you know, because it's a it's a moving target. And
I'll give a lot of my brethren in the media
a pass if freezing cold takes exposed ends up coming
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after them. That last night, it appeared the PAC twelve
would find a way to stay together, the marriage of convenience.
I don't know, the Big Ten doesn't want to give
us the full boat of money. And you know, I mean,
does Arizona really want to leave? It's a long way
West Virginia and Cincinnati and Central Florida or even to Texas.
(01:39):
So what happens, Well, I would say that the Big
Ten got leveraged, that's my guess, and leveraged in this
particular way. Right you have Oregon in Washington who probably
will struggle to command that full share of seventy million dollars. Now,
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part of the part of the issue is those TV
deals I've been told aren't actually finalized, aren't actually signed, sealed, delivered.
So remember you have three different entities, Fox, CBS, and
NBC who carry the Big Ten. And so again it's
staggered in terms of who who has the most Big
(02:22):
Ten games, who pays the most money. But essentially you
got to come up with one hundred and forty million
dollars per year from those three empties in order to
get these two teams to equal. I don't know if
they're getting equal because obviously there's a massive gap between
the seventy million and the twenty million with some upside
that they were going to make in the in the
PAC twelve. But just to guess, and again it's a
(02:45):
guess because I'm like the rest of you. I'm watching
this whole thing unfold on Twitter. It feels like the
Big ten got leveraged. You know, you don't want to
give us the full thing. We'll just stay in the
big big in the PAC twelve anyway, We'll just stay
here where we make twe million and there's the chance
of growth to thirty five forty. We'll just stay here,
all right. Well, well, and what if we cut you
in a full share? Or maybe it's not a full share,
(03:07):
maybe it's close to maybe it's three quarters of a share.
I'm not sure. But here's where I will give my
media brethren a pass on. Well, you got the story, right,
you got the story, ron et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
The stories change, people change their minds, and you're also
(03:29):
getting quotes from the opinion of you know, one, not
not everybody. I mean, I saw some quotes like, man,
I'll tell you what if if Arizona leaves the PAC twelve,
they deserve an Oscar. The Oscar goes too. But part
of that was, Yeah, if Oregon and Washington stand, we're
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in Oregon Washington leaving, we're out. We're out. And I
don't actually know like Arizona I think it. I actually
think that Arizona, Arizona State you taught, be a great
fit for the Big twelve. But I can see a
world in which Arizona wants to be a Southern California school.
That's where they draw, you know, that's where they draw from.
And if they say, oh what if we added San
(04:11):
Diego State and UNLV and we're gives you a chance
to compete in football where they can't really in the
Big Ten, Big twelve and you still remain a basketball
powerhouse and you can still recruit Southern California. Not a
crazy thought. The problem with that is what is the
value to the TV market when I mean you add
(04:32):
UNLV in San Diego State. Those are not ratings cash cows.
But I've been doing this for twenty years, so I've
seen all the different Power five conference realignment things. Right,
the Back twelve screwed it up. They could have ended
the Big Twelve two years ago, could have ended them
(04:53):
back when the conference has originally expanded in twenty twelve.
All it could have been it, they didn't, and now
the PAC twelve appears to be on the brink of
some form of elimination or combination with one of the
other leagues. Maybe they do the Mountain West and they
stay out West, or maybe they do something with the
(05:15):
ACC as we have ACC schools that are suddenly now
thinking of leaving. It's also one of those stories where
you know, fans have a tendency to do I only
do college, I only do pro. Have you ever noticed that.
I've never really understood that logic. I get that your
band with, you know, with college and NBA basketball, it's
(05:37):
just so many games. It's really hard, you know, where
you lock in on the You lock in on the
pro stuff in the offseason, the college stuff early in
the season. You know, you watch the pros around Christmas
and Valentine's and then college the rest of the time,
and then when college is over, you slide back to
the pros. That's how I do it. But there are
a lot of people, especially football, who are college or
pro nothing in between. And those people who say they're pro,
(06:01):
they say they don't care that everybody who says, I
don't care about this is the other one goes like, yeah,
I like it, but you know, I don't care. I
don't care. So it's Doug Otlieb Show here on Fox
(06:22):
Sports Radio. I just I it's so weird though. The
conference thing is so weird. I talked to somebody in
the Big Twelve and they were like, you know, they're
thinking about changing the name of the conference, which makes sense,
only does it? Right? Like the Big Ten hasn't had
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ten teams in years and yet always been known by
the Big Ten. The Big twelve hasn't had twelve teams
in years and yet still knows the Big twelve. The
PAC twelve switch from the Back ten to the PAC twelve,
they were the only ones that gota right now do
you call that league? What do you call that league?
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But I like, I remember I was over at the
other place back when Texas was going to the PAC twelve.
We went to sleep, We woke up the next day
and they were staying in the Big twelve. And I
think Joe shadd had the story right. The difference was
things changed because somebody threw more money in the pot.
In this case, it was ESPN threw a bunch of
money at Texas, you know, gave them the Longhorn Network,
(07:27):
and the rest, as they say, is history. So what
happened with Oregon and Washington? I'm guessing whatever they wanted
money wise, they got a lot closer to after midnight
when everybody shut off their phones and their computers. It
looked like they were going to remain in the pac twelve.
Suddenly now they're going to the Big ten. What does
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that mean? Big ten? Off for more money.
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We got some more college football. My guy rjyung Uh.
(08:47):
He's a dude who lives in Oklahoma. We share that
as brethren, although he's much more in the ou than OSU.
He's got the number one show podcast. We'll get his
thoughts on this. What looks like titanic landship, tectonic land shift. Yeah,
a sea change. Ooh, that was a coop on sea
change in college sports with the movement in the Pac
(09:11):
twelve to the Big Ten and the Big twelve that
up coming in I don't know, seven minutes or so.
There's a lot to talk about Tua Tongue Bailoa. You know,
I went to that game last year when he took
on Justin Herbert, and there was a dramatic difference between
the two. We also told you that Tua had to
learn how to fall like didn't fall right, which is
(09:31):
interesting because I got some criticism on social media from
people like what do you mean doesn't learn how to fall? Like, dude,
you got to learn how to fall. He's getting raggalled.
And then there's the other part where Tua gets hurt
every year, and mostly when he gets hurt, it's because
he can't really escape. Here's Mike McDaniel talking about the
(09:51):
strength that his quarterback added over the offseason.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
He really took his training on his body serious this
offseason for a multitude of reasons. And you know, I've
seen various things. He has a little more short area
explosiveness where you're able to manipulate yourself in the pocket
at a more explosive rate. You know, I don't know
(10:14):
this to be fact, but it appears by my layman's
eye that he has more pitches in his arsenal. You know,
he can layer stuff and drive it just with even
more command. Then you know, he's already pretty dept at
considering his accuracy. So I think it just overall helps
(10:35):
him feel prepared and execute a lot of things. And
the residuals are apparent and various.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Look I like it too. I mean, obviously he had
to add strength his ball, his ball floated. I mean
going back to that, going back to that game against
the Chargers, you know, they sat on all the en
routes and made him throw out routes and the ball
just does not have the same life. So he's tried
to add some life to it. The one thing that
will about early season football and regular season and then
late season football is all that strength you added, you
(11:06):
have to continue to maintain the entire time. It's just
hard to do. You know, it's hard to do. Quarterbacks
generally don't work and work on their strength in season,
and so though you can add bulk in the offseason,
that stuff comes off after practice comes off.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Seems like there's a lot riding on Tua this year.
I mean, not only have they like surrounded them with
all the tools, but you know Tyreek Hill and his
arrogance saying that you know he's gonna he's gonna go
over two thousand yards and he's going to go into
(11:46):
the Hall of Fame as a dolphin. A lot of
that rides on if Tua could get them the ball,
Like that's the arrogance in those statements. Because a receiver's
productivity has almost everything to do with the quarterback. You're
playing for.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Uh yes, But remember they get him the ball as
a running back. They get him the ball on those
little pop passes. They get in the ball, out in
the flats, they get in the you know, the idea
is get him the ball anywhere. I'll say this about
Tyreek Hill, right, he is annoying with I mean, he's
obviously had some bad issues off the field, and then
his constant discussion about how great he is. But he
(12:25):
really is that good. I mean he he is so
much faster than everybody else. It's crazy. It's crazy. I
mean again, I'm drawing on I've seen him in other games,
but see him in that Charger game when you know
he picks up a fumble and then just outruns everybody
to the end zone.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
What was the name of that play? Like fumbles scrum fumble.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I didn't know. There wasn't the name of a play fumble, scrum, fumble, scrum,
but there there was a there was a play where
and then he and then he caught a testdown passed
away like he was their whole offense. He's their whole
team offensively nuts But at the end of the day, Tua,
(13:07):
though he can have better pocket manipulation with added speed
and quickness, He's still not fast. He's still not terribly quick,
and though his strength is better, some of that will
dissipate and they're gonna challenge him and throw that ball
outside the numbers. That tape has everyone talking. Doug Gottlib
Show Fox Sports Radio, got admit. I mean, it's weird
enough UCLA and USC in the Big ten, but then
(13:29):
Oregon and Washington in the Big ten. That's weird. That's weird.
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R J. Young joins US College of Biolists for Fox Sports.
He hosts the Number one Show podcast of course, talks
a ton of college football and RJ, what do you
think happened between last night and today? Last night the
tweets and you know everybody's launching the same tweets. Hey
looks like the PAC twelve is going to keep it
together till today it looks like the PAC twelve is
gonna lose Oregon Washington and likely Arizona at.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Least, I think they got a better deal. I think
they got a better offer once it was clear that
the Big Ten had empowered Tony Patiti to just go
take a look at Oregon and Washington if they'll allow it.
Oregon and Washington said, hey, man, come right through. As
a matter of fact, if you got a deal, we're interested.
And I think that has everything to do not with
what the Big ten offers per se, but what the
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Pac twelve couldn't offer Oregon in Washington. And I think
that's what changed. As you're looking around and Arizona is
taking meetings and they're getting invited to the Big twelve.
And we don't know that Utah wants to stay in
the Big twelve, but we know they don't want to
necessarily or stay in the Pac twelve. They don't want
to necessarily leaven Who knows what Arizona State's thinking. Oregon
and Washington just said, you know what, we're the class
(14:57):
college football programs left in this conference. What do we
have to oversee? What here is going to get us
back into the College Football playoff playing for national championships.
And they probably didn't like the hand as it looks now.
So they took that offer from the Big ten.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Do we think they got a full share?
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Yeah? I do, I do. I don't think that they're
going to get Leicester's share, and I don't think that
anybody's going to let them take lesson share, because that's
just that's not just bad politics, it's bad business. And
those are your partners, now, those are members. Those are
folks that you want to treat the same, which means
they got to carry their way to.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So what happens to what's left of the back twelve?
Speaker 5 (15:39):
We shall see. Like that's as good as it's going
to get, right now, I know what you know, Arizona
got an offer on a deal that involves streaming and
subscriptions and Apple, and they said, this is not what
we signed up for. We already watched Colorado out maneuver
us as Arizona's been very loud about them, we should
probably go to the Big twelve, and Colorado just went
ahead it. And now you're looking around and you're going, Okay,
(16:02):
what's left here? Stanford, cal Us, Arizona State, Utah? How
do you feel about that hand going into an expanded
college football playoff, especially as the Big Ten is only
getting larger, remember us the UCLA next year, and the
SEC is only getting larger again with Oklahoma and Texas.
I think that this is all about survival because Doug,
(16:24):
you know this and I know this. We're college football fans.
That's your marketing engine. That's why kids go to school there.
Like there is a direct correlation that's been studied between
winning football games and average ACT and SAT scores. You're
also talking about do people want to send their kids
to a program that is winning at a high level.
(16:45):
Alabama has seen this bump since Nick Saban took the job,
and that's why Nick Saban is one of the highest
paid coaches in the sport because he feeds everybody else
in the television deals feed your university. They make you solvent.
And if you don't know which your twenty twenty four
is going to look like, and what you got in
your hand is you got to go out and sell
it to make it better. No, let's go get what
(17:06):
we know we can already future forecast and make ourselves
solvent for the future.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Best guess though, what happens. Well, let's start with the
Big twelve conference near and dear to our hearts. Obviously,
do Big twelve take Arizona or to take Arizona Arizona
State in Utah.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
I think they would take all three. I think that
it would make sense to them one. Utah is the
two time defending Pac twelve champion. I think that's one
of the other reasons why the Pac twelve is where
it is. Like if Michigan had beaten Ohio State back
to back, we're talking about them playing for a national
championship because that's what it means. Utah beats USC back
to back and nobody says anything. Nobody's chirping about Utah
(17:47):
playing the college football playoffs and we're still, you know,
media members pick USC to win this conference again. Utah
can't get the respect that it deserves for its football
program that's number one, number two BYU's already over there.
That is a natural counterpart. You you feed off of
each other. The Holy word's a big deal in every sport.
Right then you're talking about Arizona Arizona State. I mean,
while we could have our opinions about the football programs
(18:10):
whose football has been played the last few years, I'm
going to defer to you and say what in Arizona
and Arizona State love to play in the best college
basketball conference this side of the NBA. I think so.
And I think Brent, you were marked being a basketball guy,
would like nothing more than to add those two programs
to his considerable roster. About standing college basketball programs, I
(18:32):
just don't see how if you've got an invitation you
would pass that up. If you are Utah in the
Arizona schools, oh, I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Think they pass it up. I think it's for the
Big Twelve. They got a factor in Okay, well, if
we offer these schools one, are we going to get that,
you know, thirty one million in change for each school
from our TV partners. And then the second part too.
It is and I think this is equally important. Do
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you wait on Florida State?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
You know?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Do you wait on Florida State? Do you wait on
Virginia Tech?
Speaker 5 (19:06):
I don't think you do. I think you take what's
out there to take and if you can demonstrate value
to your partners in adding the schools, they will say yes.
Because everybody wants to do good business, everybody wants to
make money, and everybody wants to have the best quality
product they can period that's whether it's on television or
whether you've got people coming out to see the Oklahoma Sooners,
(19:27):
a softball team, which again is dominant. You want to
add value, and if you can demonstrate value and the
network's see value in what you want to add, I
think you'll come to an agreement on what people get paid.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Okay, do we think that the do we think that
the Big twelve? What's the level of competitiveness with the
Big ten and SEC once the doest settles.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Oh, that's the greatest, great question. That's the one that's
at the top of my brain because I go back
to what we're doing on the field or Bregan in
Washington affect winning in the Pac twelve. Right, we're talking
about two teams that have won the Pac twelve championship
in the College Football Playoff era and also the only
two from that conference to receive invitations to the College
Football Playoff. That's number one. Number two is Washington got
(20:16):
beat twenty four to seven by Alabama in the twenty
sixteenth semis and Ohio State beat Oregon like a drum
in the twenty fourteen National Championship Game. The reason I
say this is thirteen of the last sixteen national champions
in the sport I love in the sport I cover
come out of the SEC since two thousand and six.
Now I can take it back even further and talk
(20:36):
about two thousand and four Auburn who didn't get to
play for one, which you get my point here? Do
you affect winning? And the fact of the matter is
Georgia has beaten Oregon, Michigan and Ohio State each of
the in the last two years. We know what Washington
did to Alabama. We don't think that Washington can go
at Georgia's neck. I love Washington in won eleven games,
but I don't think they're there precisely because the two
(20:58):
best teams in the conference are still the two best
teams in the conference Ohio State Michigan. Matter of fact,
Big Ten Media Days, I was fortunate to have James
Franklin in front of me and I asked him straight up,
how do you feel about being a Rose Bowl champion
but also knowing that you didn't play in the playoffs
because the two teams in your division were in the
playoff And he just said, that's the Big Ten Conference,
(21:19):
That's what we signed up for. Remember, they were not
necessarily just jumping at the bit to join any conference.
It's kind of like the Notre Dame of their day,
and they joined the big tenants worked out for them.
It's worked out for James Franklin. I think they got
a ways to go before they're going to compete with
the SEC. But this gets you closer because you're gonna
have sharper teams in the conference. Like, you're not adding,
(21:39):
no disrespect Rutgers, that's not what you're doing here. You're
adding the two best remaining and qual it quite quite
literally the four best teams football wise in that sport
of the last decade.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
What Oklahoma or Texas? Who fares better ones to get
the SEC?
Speaker 5 (22:00):
You're trying to get me yelled at again, your Doug.
Right now, it feels like Texas dog. I mean, right now,
it feels like the team that's been recruiting the best.
It feels like the team that's got the biggest booster budget.
It feels like the team that is filling up one
hundred thousand people at DKR for Alabama and win at
Alabama's next by the way, and if quinn Ewers doesn't
get hurt, probably beats Alabama before Tennessee does my Sooners.
(22:25):
We got to be forty nine zero by Texas in
the Cotton Bowl. I can't. I can't get past that.
I can't now.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I mean, but like bowl games. Now, look, last year
was was a weird year. When you lose so many,
so much of your recruiting class because Lincoln takes them
with him, right, it's just you've had a fall off
at quarterback. Obviously, you know he's a good player, but
he's not the level of the guys before. So it's
a weird year. My fear is that OU was the
(22:52):
second or third highest spending program in the conference. In
the Big twelve, they're kind of just another school in
the SEC, and I just I don't. You know, Suitor
fans way better than I do, But I don't think
they love five lost seasons, and no. One of the
issues with one of the issues with that league and
(23:14):
most leagues, but that league especially is there's gonna be
a lot more five loss seasons there are one or
two loss seasons.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
I think that's right, and I think that's one of
the reasons why I was not enthusiastic about this move
to the SEC. I like winning. I like twenty four
straight winning seasons. I like knowing that I'm probably gonna
go eleven wins, twelve wins just as a bare minimum
and running all up and down and over what was
the Big twelve conference. Now that said, I think you're
(23:42):
right now. The thing that I lean on most with
Oklahoma is that we care. It's the pro team down here.
So if we don't win ten games, everybody's gonna hear
about it, everybody's gonna know about it, and everybody's gonna
get back on the horse to try to go figure
out what it is we got to do to compete
in the best conference football. But to your point about
being just another team, Hey man, is LSU just a
(24:04):
better another team? No, Tennessee. No, That's where Oklahoma and
for that matter, Texas will arrive. They'll arrive right there
the second tier. Alabama and Georgia have been a cut
above the demonstrated that over and over again. But Oklahoma
ought to be able to contend and beat up on LSU, Tennessee,
Florida from time to time. We can talk about how
and win, but I don't expect them to go in
(24:26):
there and catch five losses on the first especially knowing
how much. They're looking forward to this. No now talking
about winning national championships, which is where my mind goes,
and that's what I want. That's gonna be tougher. There's
a lot of there's a lot of things you got
to get into place if you're Oklahoma to do that
once again. And Texas has been quite frankly, a little
bit easier on doing it. Knowing that you can go
(24:47):
get one hundred grand for a dude that hadn't played
football at all to give to a local charity in Austin, Texas,
we ain't doing that at Oklahoma right now. That's the
long and the short of it. Jackson Arnold is right there,
is he getting one hundred grand to get way to
charity like our guy, Manny Arch. Come on, No, No,
I think I'm getting in my feelings about it too,
(25:09):
because I'm hard on the team. I'm hard on the
team because it's my team and I expect to win
national championships. And frankly, Doug I was thirteen the last
time Oklahoma won a national championship. I don't like playing
for him. I don't like playing for them. I like
winning them. And I think that I share that with
most Oklahoma fans. But to your point, it's gonna be tough.
You're gonna get worse before you get better. But the
hope is with this move in the next three, four, five,
(25:31):
even seven years, perhaps it's Oklahoma that we're talking about
the way we're talking about George R.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Jie Young joining US College footbaylists for a Fox Sports
host of the Number one show, and then you have
then you have the leftover PAC twelve teams and oh yeah,
by the way, like Stanford hasn't been good recently, but
did have about a fifteen year run there where they
were very good. Col's had some great years in the past.
What happens to Collen Stanford?
Speaker 5 (25:58):
I think they both joined the Big Ten. I'm not
look the way I look at this. The Big Ten
has been very loud about being members of the Associated
of American Universities, which means that they're one of the
best research and academically found universities in the country. I
think they're only sixty five members all together, and I
think every one of them in the Big Ten is
(26:19):
and that's been a bar and I think that was
the reason to kind of hit the brakes, if you will,
on perhaps in Oregon or Washington, and then somebody looking said,
are we really gonna we're gonna argue over this. We're
not gonna let in a great university two great universities
over this? Probably not, but Cal Berkeley and Stanford. Yeah,
they passed that test, and you're willing to put up
with really great academics, really great student bodies, really strong
(26:41):
alumni basis if you're like like those, especially if you're
gonna keep teams like ructors. I keep picking on them,
but that's State University in Piscataway. Okay, they don't rate
with Cal and Stanford. And if they're there and they're
open to it and you can make it work, you
go get them.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
That's isn't being cheap. That's what it feels like to
be college football analysts for Fox Sports. R J Young
the number one show podcast. You should download and listen
to it. RJ, you're the best, man. I appreciate join us.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Yeah, I appreciate the time. Man. Have a good Friday.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
All right, So let me ask you, Jay Stu. I
know your I don't give a rip is your meter
is really high on this one, But was there anything
in there that you like that you're like, ooh, I
kind of like that.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I think that the what he said about the last part,
what you said about the how these conferences are taking
into consideration, uh, education and academics and research schools. And
do you really think that with billions of dollars on
the line here, that these conferences, these mega conferences really
(27:51):
care that much about the academic integrity of the universities
that they add.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I do not, but I do think that you have
to understand how it works with some of these schools. Okay,
in that yes, it is about making money, but you know,
presidents almost always come from academia, so and it is
their job to take care of the entire school. So yeah, like,
(28:19):
if you can get the Big ten, that's awesome, but
so much of it is and the Big ten. What's
different about the Big Ten from other conferences? They do
like to tout the academia, the aac thing, you know,
which everyone has to be a member of or whatever.
They do like to say, hey, look, man, we actually
care about academics. I do, but I don't know. I
(28:40):
look at it and I think it's just very interesting
to me that you have the conflict of presidents that
come from academia athletic directors who know they want the money.
And look what RJ's saying this is, I hope people
understand kids don't go to school nearly as much for
(29:01):
the school. Do they go for success? Yeats? I mean
success is probably third, right, I would say nil is
probably is the first gate, and then the second one
is an opportunity to play, And then it's how much
money can you know? How much money can I make
is first, and opportunity to play is second, and then
(29:25):
you start to get into a location, then you start
to get into system, then you start to getting other things.
And what happens is if you're not in that top
tier of making money for your athletic department. And I'm
talking about what the PAC twelve will soon be. I
mean even the Big twelve making thirty something. When ultimately
you look at what the SEC and the Big ten
(29:45):
are going to be making, it's a lot more money.
But the problem with those schools that aren't making top end,
especially once you get to what the PAC twelve level
is now when you have a budget shortfall, you have
to call boosters and go like, hey man, we're short
a couple hundred grand. Can you give it to us,
and some of those boosters have already been hit up
(30:08):
for anil. Whereas if you have an excess of money,
like you do in the SEC or the Big Ten,
you don't have to hit your boosters up for anything internal.
The only thing you need them to do is give
the the collective which gets us players.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
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Speaker 1 (30:28):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, Brock Purty getting a
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plus Zach Wilson look good. That was the Hall of
Fame game Mark Domin is gonna join us. We'll ask
him about some of these moves. And we got a
little sound of my man. Bubba Cunningham was the ad
(30:50):
at Florida State saying something. Adiot at North Carolina saying
something at Florida State. Let's let's get to game time.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
This is game time.
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Speaker 6 (31:17):
J suw It's my favorite game.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Oh I'm sorry, j Monts of Bolognia.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
It's my favorite game.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
My favorite game too, Psychic.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
That's right Friday. So we are playing Psychic. So you're
gonna look into your crystal ball, Doug, and you're Tallas.
So many things with the NFL season is it's here,
it's upon us, right, I mean Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
Some people watch it, some people don't.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
So let's get into football, Psychic, look into your ball, Doug.
What team will Jonathan Taylor be playing for this season?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
The Innnapolis Colts.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Easy?
Speaker 7 (31:50):
You don't think there's no chance he's going anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
There's a chance. I just don't. I don't see them moving.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
You don't see it. Okay, all right, that's fair, that's fair,
all right, Psychic will Zach Wilson finished this season with
the Jets?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
M Well, he finished the season with the Jets. Oh,
because he's gonna be made in a trade fodder maybe. Uh,
that's a good question. Let me check my psychic powers. Uh,
my psychic powers, they say, yes, he will be with.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
The Yes, Okay, all right, all right, Psychic, which quarterback
will end the season with the most rushing yards?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Which quarterback?
Speaker 6 (32:38):
Yes, Lamar Jackson, Lamar Jackson, No, justin Fields, No, no,
Lamar Jackson. Okay, all right, Psychic, I don't know if
I agree with you on that one.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I can. I know they're saying they're gonna have him
throw more right and less seenery. But if you watch
Todd Monkin's office at Georgia, yeah, Stetson Bennett was running
around a bunch of out Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
All right, Psychic. Will Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott throw more
or less than fifteen interceptions this year, which was a
career high last year?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I'm gonna go more more, yes, Psychic.
Speaker 7 (33:18):
He just came out and said he wasn't gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Well, I mean, yeah, no.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
I hear you.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Anybody's gonna say, yeah, I'm gonna do that again. Yeah,
I suck you. You sucked last year. What are you
gonna do this year? I'm gonna be awesome this year.
I'm gonna I'm gonna suck again this year. All right,
all right, more things that aren't generally said, right right.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Right, right right for sure for sure? All right, super
early but psychic who's going to the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Oh man, I don't want to put the curse on him.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I think you should get out your schedules and see
which game it's.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
A loss, that's a win, you know what. I want
to pick the Chargers, but I won't. I'll pick the
Chiefs out of the AFC.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Right, go with what you know, right?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I mean you could pick the Bills of the Bengals
as well. I just I'm gonna go with the Chiefs
just to start. And the NFC is interesting, right. The
NFC have the Eagles, you know, Niners, although still not
convinced about any of their quarterbacks. I'll go Niners though
this year. Niners get in All right?
Speaker 7 (34:25):
Oh, we got breaking news right now, breaking news.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Let's close up shop with game time.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yes, game this is game time on the Dug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
All right, Well on, let's get the breaking news down
there we go.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
Breaking news from Fox Sports ESPN reporting Lakers star Anthony
Davis has a green on a three year, one hundred
and eighty six million dollar max extension, tying him to
the franchise through twenty twenty.
Speaker 7 (34:57):
Eight for a total of two seventy million polls us
he lands the richest annual extension in NBA history at
sixty two million.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
That's a lot. That's a lot.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
That's a lot. But I mean, like, look that's the
going right here. So it's just a it's three years
at the end. When does it start here?
Speaker 7 (35:19):
Let me tell you again, just tweeted it age Adrian
rard Janowski Lakers Star Grade three year, one hundred and
eighty six million MAX extension tying him to the franchise
through twenty twenty eight for a total of two hundred
and seventy million, plus lands the richest annual extension at
sixty two million.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Well, I mean, look, he had a very good year.
He's their best player. I don't think anybody necessarily disputes
the problem with with Andy Davis's how much he's been hurt.
That's it's how much he's been hurt. But he is
a dominant, dominant player. Let's see here, So it takes
him in twenty twenty eight three year extens and so
he had two years remaining.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
So how old is Anthony Davis?
Speaker 7 (36:02):
Anthony Davis?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
What do you think over under there? Jay stew On,
how old Anthony Davis.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Is, I'll go, I'll go twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I think he's thirty. I thought, yes, I think it's thirty.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
He's thirty.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
He turned his thirty year in March.
Speaker 7 (36:17):
Yes, correct, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
So twenty eight he'll be thirty five. Okay, I'm not
out as down on that as as I want to be,
but I mean, like, look this, dude. These are the
number of games he's played his last year in New Orleans.
Fifty six, sixty two, the lockout, the what's it called year?
(36:41):
He COVID thirty six, COVID year thirty six he played
forty a year ago with the Lakers, and fifty six
this year. So in terms of money per game, he's
getting far and away the biggest contract.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
Yeah, Doug, have you ever taken that test where you
put in all your stuff for your health and it
says you're like sixty years old? That's what it should
say for asking Davids like he's technically thirty, but in
basketball years, he's probably like forty nine.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
No, cap.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
He is, definitely, he definitely has old man body. I
was told, and I think he's done better, but I
was told. The reason that he wears the uh let's
just say ribbed white tank top underneath his jersey so
when he does postgame interviews, it doesn't show off as bodad,
bad body dude, bad bad body dude. Coming next to
(37:33):
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