May 13, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the injury Celtics star Jayson Tatum suffered in game four of their series with the Knicks, and how unusually common injuries in the NBA playoffs are. Doug and the crew discuss the probability that the NBA Draft Lottery is rigged. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Rank' Em".
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we had two NBA games last night. Outcomes. I look,
the outcomes are important, but the stories are even more interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
The fact that the Knicks are now up three games
to one, that's a big, big deal. But when you
throw in that Jase Tatum has gotten hurt, and we
think it looks really bad right, that becomes a bigger deal.
Last night, the Boston Celtics felt the New York Knicks
one twenty one, one thirteen and the Minnesota Timberwolves. Despite
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a furious comeback from the Warriors, they beat the Warriors
in Golden State one seventeen, one ten.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Both of those series.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Appear to be especially the Warriors series appears to be over.
But the news of the day is Jaseon Tatum's injury.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
And it was a.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Strange play in that a non contact injury where you
don't see anybody turn an ankle, you don't see anybody's
knee blow up, you don't see blood, You just see
a player writhing in pain and holding his It can
only lead to two things, right, a torn calve or
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a torn achilles tenant, a torn calf or a torn
a killies. I remember this is Jason Tatum, who up
until that point had played forty minutes, had forty two points,
eight rebounds, four assists for steals, two blocks. Like unbelievable game.
And yeah, the Knicks were winning and the Celtics were
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falling apart with turnovers, but it wasn't like the game
was over. Here's Joe Missoula, head coach of the Celtics
defending NBA champions, talking about the injury.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Obviously, you've always worried about someone's help. So the fact
that he had to be carried off, you know, like
you said, you know, he's a type of guy that
when he gets right up, so he didn't, and you know,
we'll know tomorrow exactly what it is. But uh yeah,
I mean it's tough to watch, I know, a guy
like him get carried off.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Okay, here's Derek White talking about TAM's injury.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I mean, honestly, that's our brother, and so you hate
to see him go down, and like, we just know
the type of guy he is, and you just stuff
to see him go down. But obviously right now it's
it's pretty low because of the game and he's got
a final way to win Game five.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Tom Thibodeau's head coach of the New York Dicks. He
said this about the series being over.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
We got in a hole, but I love the way
we fought back, showed a lot of toughness and more
discipline in the second half, and then timely plays everyone
working together on both ends of the floor. So I
think it starts with your defense, and then you have
to have a lot of toughness and then you have
to do it together. And I thought the guys did that.
You just got to keep fighting, you know, And that's
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sort of the nature of the game when you're playing
a three point shooting team like that. There's going to
be variances in the game where there's runs and you
can't go away. You got to keep fighting, and they
have the ability to, you know, make tough shots. I thought,
we have to have the determination to come back, to
do it over and over again and stick together.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And then of course you got Jalen Brunson at thirty
four thirty nine points and twelve assists. Again, the big
story has to be Tatum's injury, and maybe the.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Part of that story is.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I could be wrong, but the achilles ten and tearing,
and again I'm not a doctor.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I don't know if that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I thought it was the ankle and he's holding his ankle,
and then when you go back and look, you're like,
all right, well that's non contact. Only two injuries that
make sense, torn calf or torn achilles. I just I
feel like the torn achilles is an older guy's injury.
And I don't know whether it's the body composition of
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NBA players or athletes overall, but Jayson Tatum's twenty seven
years old. He's not yet in his athletic prime. Feels
would feel weird if he tours achilles tendon like Damian
Lillard tore his achilles tendon what a week ago, week
and a half ago. But Damian Lillar is like thirty
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four years old. Kevin Durant did it, he was in
his thirties. This is Jason Tatum in his twenties. Yeah,
it almost makes me think, are we doing something wrong
with how we build players' bodies from the ground up
when they're young athletes in the rise that lead to
these injuries now happening earlier instead of later, Like people
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are gonna let live longer. I know there's some environmental
things that are always going to cap but it does
feel like we pay way more attention to our health
than our parents did, and.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Our kids even more so.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Right Like when we were kids, we ate the type
of fast food, everything was fried, all sorts of carbonated beverages.
None of them are good for us. Now, it doesn't
mean the kids eat one hundred percent healthy now, but
they are more health conscious now than I think many
people were when we were kids. And then I think
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you if you look at people who are in their
thirties and forties and the way in which people are
staying in better shape in their fifties as well, think
about fifty years old now as supposed to fifty years
old when you were a kid, what people look like.
I think people are going to live longer. Injuries are easier,
maybe not easier, but they take shorter period of time
to come back from. And things that happened in your
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thirties previously now happened in your forties, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. Why are Achilles ten in injuries? And again
there is no scientific research behind this, but why are
they happening more often? And even athletes who are younger
that That's what I'm kind of wondering. I don't know, Byer,
When you were watching last night and you see Jason
Tatum went go down, what went through your mind?
Speaker 6 (07:12):
Game over Series over? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, you know. The the other part to it is
we make we make this big deal about what's what's
it called? When you're managing somebody's body and you're setting
them out. The load management right, load management in truth,
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load management is you know, some sort of term that
we've described that was put in place to minimize injuries
like this. Injuries we thought wear and tear. Again we
can it doesn't mean it's worked, and probably if you
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did the math, they would say it hasn't worked. But
one of the major factors for our entire lifetime, Dan,
like you and I have a good enough wealth of
knowledge in the NBA to go through year after year
after year like injuries have told the story oftentimes of
who's going to win the playoffs. Even going back to
Celtics Lakers back in the eighties, the Pistons when they
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initially played the Lakers, remember the first year Isaiah Thomas
had an incredible game six on the spring and ankle
game seven not so much like we had. Injuries led
to whoever won championships year after year after year. This
is not new and one of the there's a myriad
of them, but one of the reasons that the Spurs
started managing guys minutes was they started to get older
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and they wanted their guys healthier in the postseason. Well,
we're still doing load management, and it feels like the
injuries are just the same in terms of numbers of
guys and even the level of guys that are hurt.
It may signify that there is no true way around
get injuries, soft tissue or not by managing how many
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minutes somebody plays in the regular season.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
It's also interesting, Doug, and just to look at like
Damian Lillard, as you mentioned earlier, ends up rupturing his achilles,
and we had almost seemingly felt like, okay, well we've
only got one so far, Thank goodness, like we've made
it this far. Like it felt like even in other
years there were maybe more significant ones and you would
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have a bracket that you could then point out in
each round, well, this injury happened, This happened there. But
you're right, it has always been something of the past.
But what is crazy now is you talk about load management.
So Tatum's hurt, Lillard's hurt, their status now for next
season is seriously in question. And if they even are
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able to come back next season, they're going to be
probably limited into what they try to play and how
to transition into that season. I mean, it's it's just
a not just Katie and Klay Thompson anymore, it seems
like it's here, there and everywhere.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, I forgot. I totally forgot Klay Thompson. Great call,
great call.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I mean, think about it. It's really now.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Guys are coming back for them doesn't mean they're coming
back better players. I mean Kobe Bryant was the shell
of himself when he came back from it. Granted he
was a lot longer into the tooth. When Dominique Wilkins
came back from it, he was not nearly the same.
That was a long time ago.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Kevin Durant has been really really good at times, not
maybe the same, but again part of that is he's
bounced to different teams. He's a little bit older. You
mentioned Klay Thompson. He's obviously not been the same, but
also older. But it's it is fascinating. I just don't remember,
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and maybe some of this is we didn't cover injuries
the same. I didn't remember the volume of Achilles injuries
like we have now, especially at the top the athletic.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
World and the other domino that I think plays into
this is there was a question even though they won
the title last year on if Boston doesn't get it
done this year. What changes do you have to make
and the changes that you would have to make in Boston, Well,
Jason Tatum would either be in those plans or be
out of those plans, but right now he's not a
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part of those plans. So if you're Boston and I
believe that they're going to lose this series, I don't
think they'll win these next three games, but even if
they do, I think they're going to be at a
disadvantage and win the title. What do you do moving forward?
In how do you chart who you are? Because I
do think for as great as the Knicks have been,
there's been something wrong with Boston. And it reminds me
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in the NFL, Doug when a team comes out and
maybe jumps out to a twenty one, twenty four to
nothing lead because they're throwing the football all over the
field and everybody's fresh and having a great time. But
maybe the team that's slow and steady runs the football,
wears you down, is able to then get a stop
on defense. You know, one of those sort of things
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like this recipe of the Knicks coming back and beating
the Celtics. If it's the third time that this has happened.
And granted, the deficits weren't as big in Game four
last night as they were in Games one and two,
but I think that there's something there and there's something
that's missing with Boston And now how do you look
at what their future is because you don't know about
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the status of Jason Tatum. So does that put Jason
Tatum for as great as he has been in the
picture or out of the picture. I think that's a
huge offseason dilemma.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Now now he has a contract extension, like here's the
here's the part of the new super Max contract which
gets really interesting. And again, I don't know if you
agree with this, but I think Nico Harrison's having an
unbelievable week and a half. Right, we haven't gotten to
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the fact that the lottery last night, the Dallas Mavericks
won the lottery. Not that that could ever be part
of Nico Harrison's grand plan, but his argument was, Hey,
this dude is never in shape.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
He's always hurt.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Talk about Luca and the more you're not in shape,
the more often you're going to get hurt. And then
he would have been luc would have been eligible for
the Supermax contract in Dallas this offseason. And what does
it look like when you have a Supermax player who's injured. Well,
we'll give you Jason Tatum. Next year, Jason Tatum is
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going to make fifty four million dollars. That's a direct
fifty four million dollar cap hit fifty four to fifty
eight sixty two sixty seven.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
And then the last one is a player option for
seventy one million dollars. They're on the hook for five
years guaranteed at what looks like about a what a
sixty two sixty three million dollar average you do the math,
that's like a three hundred million dollar contract. That's what
we're talking about. It's five years, okay, five years at
over three hundred million dollars in overall value. It's five years,
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three hundred and thirteen million dollars. Now he'll come back
and play. And again we're we're assuming, we're guessing it's
an Achilles ten, we're hoping it's not. Is that fair, Dan, like,
I haven't seen any official okay, but the point is
that if you're Nico and you're sitting there going yes,
won the lottery, you obviously feel good and then Luca
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looked pathetically out of shape and didn't play defense in
the playoffs and they lose. And then you go like, hey,
are you less or more likely to be injured over
the next five years if you always come in out
of shape And the answer is absolutely. And Jason Tatum,
who's never had those issues with conditioning, he goes down.
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And this is where you're talking about the Celtics plans,
whatever plans they have. Not only do you have to
make them without Jason Tatum in mind, but you have
to make them with Jason Tatum on the salary cap.
There's nothing you can do to get that fifty four
point one million dollars off your salary cap. It is
crippling when a guy gets hurt.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
With this kind of contract.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
So, yeah, the Celtics are gonna lose, probably lose this series. Yeah,
it's going to cause for them to have to rethink
some things. And all of that said, there's nothing they
can do to move this Jason Tatum contract and that
number sits, sits and sits and sits. Sam just chimed
in to Marcus Cousins towards Achilles at the age of
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twenty seven, Like Tatum, great, great example, DeMarcus Cousins was
never the same, of course to mark your Cousins was
not in shape. But still it does feel like there's
a scourge of these things in the NBA.
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Speaker 2 (16:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Okay, it's a good thing that we're all friends here,
because I think you guys know where I'm gonna go
with this, but I'll allow you. Sam, what is the
percentage chance you think there's a conspiracy that allowed the
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Dallas Mavericks to get the number one pick in the
NBA Draft lottery last night?
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Man?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Chance? Percentage chance of a conspiracy? Yeah? One?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Okay, Dan Byer, that's.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
A really good answer by Sam. Fifty percent, fifty percent,
five zero, Doug Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Jase two.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
What's the question here?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
What is the percent chance you would give of the
likelihood of a conspiracy that led to the Dallas Mavericks
getting the number one overall draft pick in last night's
NBA Draft lottery.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
Let's see, I would land between Sam's and Dan's. But
I will say this, the conspiracy theory is a lot
more interested interesting to me than a collection of coincidences.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Oh, I don't doubt that it's super interesting, right, I mean, look,
pat ewing to the Knicks, the old frozen envelope, that
one I kind of buy, I kind of buy. But
and you know there's weird ones. Derek Rose from Chicago
to the Bulls Lebron James from Akron to the Cavaliers, right,
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like these ones are weird or that or the Calves
lose Lebron and get the number one pick, Like we've
seen this happen. But we do realize that the NBA
had a conspiracy and they got anybody together or even
one person came up with the idea that the NBA
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would run the risk of ceasing to exist as a sport.
It would have to move into the WWE. Hey, just
we're just entertainment variety, right. They've already had the Donneghe thing,
which causes people to think that games are rigged by
the officials. And then if you added this, you couldn't
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take anything on the up and up that ever happens
in the NBA, it can't happen. Gambling, as I told
you before, is the lifeblood of professional sports.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
It just is.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
And this would make all the gambling markets go like, yeah,
well we can't get it in the NBA. Partnerships would
cease to exist. So I don't mind Sam's number of
one point eight percent because you're like, yeah, I mean, like, look,
I don't think so, but I got at least a
the scientific fact is like ninety seven percent.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Proven true.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
They leave that three percent because hey man, crazy stuff happens.
But Dan fifty percent, you're gonna have to support any
sort of argument there.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
I find it interesting how the Spurs find all this
lottery luck and even as they are not landing in
the number one spot, I find it interesting that it
was the number two spot with the San Antonio Spurs
the fifty percent. Well, I don't think it is rigged,
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is I don't know why they would continually want to
load up the Western Conference. So if I did think
it was rigged, I would think that Philadelphia would have
gotten the number one overall pick to try to improve
the Sixers, to put Cooper flag there. We don't want.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Why not the Wizards.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Because I don't think that they trust the Wizards franchise.
I feel that they And that's why the victor wimbin
Yama pick of the Spurs while I thought and I
did not want him to go to the Spurs because
I'm like, Spurs won with Robinson, they won with Duncan.
Then they're gonna win again. Sure enough, they win again.
But it feels like it's the most stable organization, and
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it feels like maybe at least you could pair Cooper
Flag up with Tyrese MAXI have another contender in the East.
The Wizards just have nothing, and I think that they'd
be afraid that Cooper Flag would go there and just
disappear that he couldn't do it by himself.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Oh listen, I again, that team is an abject disaster.
Don't get me wrong, Okay, But if it's as you said,
it's good for business. It's good for business. If the
Knicks are good, it's good for business. If the Wizards
are good, you know, you get the nation's capital American
born player.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
It'd be good for business.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I just if anyone found out about it, then how
can we take anything the NBA does seriously or above board?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Ever? Again, we couldn't, so. I.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I just it's really the fan in you and the
historically knowledgeable fan in you that you're like because all
those other things, it's like, it's it. I actually completely
disagree with you, Jason, because you told that to me
on the phone earlier today, which is what was a
series of coincidences is not interesting.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Yeah, that's that's dull.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, I actually think that's way more interesting. Think about
it for a second. Let me let me pitch you
on this, Jay, I mean, let me see if I
can make you flip to seeing it from my perspective,
I might not.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Be able to.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Kind of amazing these things that are coincidences, right, It's
amazing that on an up and up draft lauder you
have a third party do it that's clearly monitored that
somehow the Bulls ping pong ball comes up when the
Bulls have a chance to select a Chicago born superstar
player who becomes an MVP in a Derek Rose kind
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of It's nothing short of remarkable that the Cleveland Cavaliers
when they're in the lottery, they get the ping pong
ball that gives them Lebron James. It's kind of amazing
that the San Antonio Spurs. You know, here's a San
Antonio kind of a whatever city. Right when you list
the big cities in Dallas in Texas, most people say Dallas,
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Houston or Houston Dallas and then Austin, right, more so
than San Antonio. All of these things, and there's more
things that have come together. But all of these are
mere coincidences. And the fact that they're so remarkable that
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people actually think it's a conspiracy, I think makes it
super interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
But you don't.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
I mean, you just you just made the case for
why it's a conspiracy, right when things are just so
outrageously coincidental. That feeds into the narrative that it's a conspiracy,
which to me is much more interesting than coincidence.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
But I mean, you can't keep anything a secret today.
There's no chance everyone has a cell phone, everyone leaks
stuff on Reddit or to tmz or on social media.
Just the chances of that happening. Hey, listen, guys, we're
gonna get this together. We're gonna do this, and no
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one else is gonna know. Okay, like would happen?
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Dan Well, I was gonna take it into it just
a slightly different direction, but I wanted to pose a
question to you, guys. Do you think that the Mavericks
should have been penalized by winning their play in tournament game?
Because in this lottery situation, if you make the postseason,
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if you're a seven or eight seed, even if you're
in the playing tournament, you're not in the lottery, but
if you get ousted in the play in tournament, you
make the lottery and you are then slotted where you
were in the standings. So Dallas has the ten seed,
got the one point eight percent chance as opposed to
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Sacramento who was the nine seed. But it was Dallas
who beat Sacramento in that play in tournament. So I
thought that that was interesting, and I get why the
NBA is like, well, we don't want to incentivize teams
from losing sure in a play in tournament. But again
it's weighing the dilemma of would you rather have a
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better chance at a pick or would you like to
have your season extended by two weeks before you're eliminated
in the playoffs. I that was that was interesting that
the spot that Dallas was in was a spot that
maybe they shouldn't have Maybe they should have been in
Sacramento spot because they beat Sacramento in that playing tournament.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, listen, I if we remember back, there was a
lot of talk of Anthony Davis sitting out the remainder
of the season as he was coming back from that was.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
An AB injury, right, yeah, lower, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
And we talked about this at the time that I
felt like they got guilted into playing him. They're like,
we just want to sit him because they were trying
to tank and get a better draft pick. Then he
plays and he's kind of awesome, and then obviously you
know you then you win a playing game. No, I
actually think this was the perfect scenario for teams to
why you keep playing because the common common thought, at
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least what I thought, was with every game they win,
they're less and less likely to do anything in the lottery, right,
I mean one point chance.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So this goes counter to.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
That, but it does give reason for a conspiracy to
reward Dallas. Thanks for playing, Anthony Davis, thanks for not
giving up on the season, and we will reward you
with it. The funny thing with the conspiracies going back
to youing, we have video of the envelope, so we
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have talked about, as you said, frozen envelope, the folded corner,
all of those theories. This is done behind closed doors
so no one sees in a weird code of numbers.
I am someone who I'm I'm mad that Dallas got
it because I feel that they just got to free
get out of jail. Card sure and That's why I
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don't like it. But I'd be fine if every team
in the lottery had the same amount of odds. You
would take away the tanking portion of it. And I
do think that it's good for a team in the
middle of the NBA to get a star player to
make them one of the better teams in the NBA,
as opposed to putting Cooper Flag on a Wizard's team
and watching them win twenty eight games for the next
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four years. I feel it's better for the league to
have a player of this caliber go to a team
that is knocking on the door of the of the
playoff run. Just the fact of the Mavericks that it
happened to the Mavericks, that just really annoys me.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yes, in the overall, the Maverick fit your premise.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
You just don't like the Mavericks because you think they
made a bad trade and they'll be rewarded for that.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Correct, Correct, that's why. But I think like ultimately and
the odds. By the way, previously, the NBA has changed
their ways in doing this. One year, it was twenty
five percent odds for the teams that had the worst record.
Now they're just going with the top three and fourteen percent,
which isn't a great chance as we saw only Charlotte
(28:57):
State in the top four of the team picking, so
there wasn't a lot of advantage to those teams losing.
But I still think that if you have a weighted lottery,
because out of the last ten years, a team with
the best chance of winning had won it seven times,
so there's still incentive to stink. If you did it
the old way, Doug, you put a bin, a clear
(29:19):
bin with fourteen envelopes, and you pull them out and
you put them on that board and then reveal it.
That's great TV, and I think that would take away
a lot of the conspiracy theories. But this behind the
door stuff, being like the code number they won with
was fourteen, sixteen twenty one. Are you listening, NBA? This
is how you remedy this. With what Dan just said,
(29:41):
that's enough. I love the Tumblr, all those.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I love the tumbler too.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I love the I love the also love the the
California Lottery Ball selection where it comes up in that
section thing almost like the old bank teller, right, and
then you take it out of those back I love
those those are Hey, Jason and I.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Were talking about that the other week, those tubes. But
that's how they do it behind the scenes. Yeah, we
need to have all this out on display.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I think I think the problem is the process is
super boring. Is their problem right that Again, I'm with
you guys, But the process is we're gonna find fault
with everything, with everything, and if we're honest with ourselves,
some of it comes from the past conspiracy to the NBA,
some of it comes from the Tim Donekey, some of
(30:31):
it comes from the the.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
An entire political party.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Even though there's proof that nothing nefarious took place, still
claiming that something nefarious took place. It's like, no matter
how you do it, based on result, people are going
to claim conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
That's what they did. That's the reality to it.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
True. I would say in this scenario, because the deal
was with the Lakers, it would not be brought up
to the level at least of my fifty percent of
anyone or anyone else's if we didn't think they were
trying to give one of the golden franchises in the
NBA a bump. And we feel that the trade where
we all said, why didn't Dallas shop Luca around? They
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could have gotten a much better deal from another team.
The conspiracy lies in thank you, Mavericks for trading Luca
to the Lakers. That's where I think the ultimate conspiracy
is not that they just traded Luca away, but thanks
so much for doing a so solid and putting Luca
in a Laker uniform where he can play for the
next decade and take the torch from Lebron because there
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wasn't a succession plan. Thank you so much for that.
Here's how we're going to reward you.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
The Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, you guys
gotta check out our YouTube channel. I mean, like, we're
not on live, although we should be. But I love
it just because it gives us a chance, like Dan
and I to have like a face to face conversation.
(32:19):
It's just a completely different dynamic for watching and enjoying
this show.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Speaking of which, Dan's done with his banana. It's good.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Hey Dan, real quick, this is just an honest question. Yeah,
when you go when you go to the grocery store
and you buy bananas, what kind of banana are you
looking for? Okay, So for me again, I'll give you
the context of it. I like buying bananas there. I
don't like full yellow. I like green on the spines
(32:47):
or on the.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Folds, whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Better a day or two too soon than a day
or two too late.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Gotcha, right, don't go whole.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I don't go all green, but I prefer like a
greenish hue, especially on the like folds or spine, whatever
you call it.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Yeah, this is not gonna surprise you. I would be
the opposite.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
So I've had so many people say, like, well, now
it's not even healthy for you anymore. It's just sugar.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, So like, great, that's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
I still think it's probably better than a candy bar,
though I would think. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I think it is better than a candy bar, not
that much. Let's get to the game.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
This is game tenhuish toffee stuck in my teeth for
thirty minutes, all right, Doug. The game today is rank them, Doug,
Rank the three teams best in line to win the
NBA title at this point in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
That's a great question, uh, I'm gonna go so Oklahoma
City and Denver tied it to a piece, correct, I'm
gonna go Oklahoma City.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Denver at three or at one?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Oh sorry at one?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Uh, Denver at three, the Nix at two in Oklahoma
City at one.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
Hmmm. Interesting? All right. I thought it could maybe be Pacers, Nicks,
and Timberwolves because of those three one leads, but.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Well, looks. I think the Pacers are going to advance.
I think the Knicks are going to advance. And I
just think whoever wins that series from Oklahoma City and
Denver will be the favorite in the next series. And
that that's my think about.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
It, all right, Doug, rank your top three all time
lottery moments.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
The actual, the not the not, the.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
Draft, the lottery, yes, the lottery.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Okay, pat Ewing at one. Let's work our way backwards.
I would say last night is probably two because the
Luca trade has been so discussed, yes, so discussed, and
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then again I don't remember anything special about it. But
when the Calves got the rights to draft Lebron James.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Would be three. I remember Daniel Gilbert having his son
and he was.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Like and he had he had the lucky rabbit's foot, right.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
Yeah, it was like their good luck charm, so neat
moments through it.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I also remember the late great Elgin Baylor and a
constant presence. There was like a twelve year run where
it was like, hey, listen, that's seats reserved for Elgin Baylor.
We don't know who else is gonna be the lottery,
but we know it's gonna be the representing the Clippers.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
It was a permanent deis for him to sit at all, right, Doug,
Rank the best three sport for a game seven? Oh best,
so basically NHL, NBA, Major League Baseball.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yep, I'll go NHL three. I know everybody it's like, oh,
it's yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
I wonder if that was going to be the curveball.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
It's the bashed NBA two, Major League Baseball one.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Jason Stewart, Are you good with that? Putting baseball Numero Luno?
Speaker 8 (36:23):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
Good talk. Ranked the three places Doug, you'd like to
see in an NFL game?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Rank them I get to watch it, or just they're
on TV. Well, I think up of a mountain of
Machu Picchu, or like.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
Here's the deal you were able to cross off Lambeau
about eight times this past year on your list. So
there's got to be a couple of other places. And
I didn't say stadiums because maybe you would like to
see the game in Spain, maybe you would like to
see the game in Ireland or Germany or Brazil.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
No, I have no desire to see them overseas. I'll
tell you why. You ever been a Super Bowl party
and you got the guy who played like small college
football explaining what's happening to everybody else in the party,
and you're like, dude, really, that's how I visual That's
how I picture going to a game overseas where you
got like, some people are fans, some people are like
they don't get it at all. You're like, no, no, we
(37:17):
don't cheer there. That's not it's just annoying, just annoying.
Places i'd like to see an NFL game. I'd like
to see him in some of these college stadiums.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
I interested remember when the Saints played at LSU. I
would love to see that now. I would love to
see a game at a at a big cut at
Brian Denny Stadium.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
That let's put that three all right? Two? Where else
I'd like to see one.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
You only got ten seconds in the segment.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
So Seattle.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I've never been to Seattle to watch game there and
Social Field. Like to see the Bears lose the Packers.
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we had two NBA games last night. Outcomes. I look,
the outcomes are important, but the stories are even more interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
The fact that the Knicks are now up three games
to one, that's a big, big deal. But when you
throw in that Jase Tatum has gotten hurt, and we
think it looks really bad right, that becomes a bigger deal.
Last night, the Boston Celtics felt the New York Knicks
one twenty one, one thirteen and the Minnesota Timberwolves. Despite
(01:38):
a furious comeback from the Warriors, they beat the Warriors
in Golden State one seventeen, one ten.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Both of those series.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Appear to be especially the Warriors series appears to be over.
But the news of the day is Jaseon Tatum's injury.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
And it was a.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Strange play in that a non contact injury where you
don't see anybody turn an ankle, you don't see anybody's
knee blow up, you don't see blood, You just see
a player writhing in pain and holding his It can
only lead to two things, right, a torn calve or
(02:26):
a torn achilles tenant, a torn calf or a torn
a killies. I remember this is Jason Tatum, who up
until that point had played forty minutes, had forty two points,
eight rebounds, four assists for steals, two blocks. Like unbelievable game.
And yeah, the Knicks were winning and the Celtics were
(02:48):
falling apart with turnovers, but it wasn't like the game
was over. Here's Joe Missoula, head coach of the Celtics
defending NBA champions, talking about the injury.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Obviously, you've always worried about someone's help. So the fact
that he had to be carried off, you know, like
you said, you know, he's a type of guy that
when he gets right up, so he didn't, and you know,
we'll know tomorrow exactly what it is. But uh yeah,
I mean it's tough to watch, I know, a guy
like him get carried off.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Okay, here's Derek White talking about TAM's injury.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I mean, honestly, that's our brother, and so you hate
to see him go down, and like, we just know
the type of guy he is, and you just stuff
to see him go down. But obviously right now it's
it's pretty low because of the game and he's got
a final way to win Game five.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Tom Thibodeau's head coach of the New York Dicks. He
said this about the series being over.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
We got in a hole, but I love the way
we fought back, showed a lot of toughness and more
discipline in the second half, and then timely plays everyone
working together on both ends of the floor. So I
think it starts with your defense, and then you have
to have a lot of toughness and then you have
to do it together. And I thought the guys did that.
You just got to keep fighting, you know, And that's
(04:02):
sort of the nature of the game when you're playing
a three point shooting team like that. There's going to
be variances in the game where there's runs and you
can't go away. You got to keep fighting, and they
have the ability to, you know, make tough shots. I thought,
we have to have the determination to come back, to
do it over and over again and stick together.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And then of course you got Jalen Brunson at thirty
four thirty nine points and twelve assists. Again, the big
story has to be Tatum's injury, and maybe the.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Part of that story is.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I could be wrong, but the achilles ten and tearing,
and again I'm not a doctor.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I don't know if that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I thought it was the ankle and he's holding his ankle,
and then when you go back and look, you're like,
all right, well that's non contact. Only two injuries that
make sense, torn calf or torn achilles. I just I
feel like the torn achilles is an older guy's injury.
And I don't know whether it's the body composition of
(05:09):
NBA players or athletes overall, but Jayson Tatum's twenty seven
years old. He's not yet in his athletic prime. Feels
would feel weird if he tours achilles tendon like Damian
Lillard tore his achilles tendon what a week ago, week
and a half ago. But Damian Lillar is like thirty
(05:30):
four years old. Kevin Durant did it, he was in
his thirties. This is Jason Tatum in his twenties. Yeah,
it almost makes me think, are we doing something wrong
with how we build players' bodies from the ground up
when they're young athletes in the rise that lead to
these injuries now happening earlier instead of later, Like people
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are gonna let live longer. I know there's some environmental
things that are always going to cap but it does
feel like we pay way more attention to our health
than our parents did, and.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Our kids even more so.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Right Like when we were kids, we ate the type
of fast food, everything was fried, all sorts of carbonated beverages.
None of them are good for us. Now, it doesn't
mean the kids eat one hundred percent healthy now, but
they are more health conscious now than I think many
people were when we were kids. And then I think
(06:30):
you if you look at people who are in their
thirties and forties and the way in which people are
staying in better shape in their fifties as well, think
about fifty years old now as supposed to fifty years
old when you were a kid, what people look like.
I think people are going to live longer. Injuries are easier,
maybe not easier, but they take shorter period of time
to come back from. And things that happened in your
(06:50):
thirties previously now happened in your forties, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. Why are Achilles ten in injuries? And again
there is no scientific research behind this, but why are
they happening more often? And even athletes who are younger
that That's what I'm kind of wondering. I don't know, Byer,
When you were watching last night and you see Jason
Tatum went go down, what went through your mind?
Speaker 6 (07:12):
Game over Series over? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, you know. The the other part to it is
we make we make this big deal about what's what's
it called? When you're managing somebody's body and you're setting
them out. The load management right, load management in truth,
(07:38):
load management is you know, some sort of term that
we've described that was put in place to minimize injuries
like this. Injuries we thought wear and tear. Again we
can it doesn't mean it's worked, and probably if you
(07:58):
did the math, they would say it hasn't worked. But
one of the major factors for our entire lifetime, Dan,
like you and I have a good enough wealth of
knowledge in the NBA to go through year after year
after year like injuries have told the story oftentimes of
who's going to win the playoffs. Even going back to
Celtics Lakers back in the eighties, the Pistons when they
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initially played the Lakers, remember the first year Isaiah Thomas
had an incredible game six on the spring and ankle
game seven not so much like we had. Injuries led
to whoever won championships year after year after year. This
is not new and one of the there's a myriad
of them, but one of the reasons that the Spurs
started managing guys minutes was they started to get older
(08:42):
and they wanted their guys healthier in the postseason. Well,
we're still doing load management, and it feels like the
injuries are just the same in terms of numbers of
guys and even the level of guys that are hurt.
It may signify that there is no true way around
get injuries, soft tissue or not by managing how many
(09:04):
minutes somebody plays in the regular season.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
It's also interesting, Doug, and just to look at like
Damian Lillard, as you mentioned earlier, ends up rupturing his achilles,
and we had almost seemingly felt like, okay, well we've
only got one so far, Thank goodness, like we've made
it this far. Like it felt like even in other
years there were maybe more significant ones and you would
(09:29):
have a bracket that you could then point out in
each round, well, this injury happened, This happened there. But
you're right, it has always been something of the past.
But what is crazy now is you talk about load management.
So Tatum's hurt, Lillard's hurt, their status now for next
season is seriously in question. And if they even are
(09:51):
able to come back next season, they're going to be
probably limited into what they try to play and how
to transition into that season. I mean, it's it's just
a not just Katie and Klay Thompson anymore, it seems
like it's here, there and everywhere.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, I forgot. I totally forgot Klay Thompson. Great call,
great call.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I mean, think about it. It's really now.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Guys are coming back for them doesn't mean they're coming
back better players. I mean Kobe Bryant was the shell
of himself when he came back from it. Granted he
was a lot longer into the tooth. When Dominique Wilkins
came back from it, he was not nearly the same.
That was a long time ago.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Kevin Durant has been really really good at times, not
maybe the same, but again part of that is he's
bounced to different teams. He's a little bit older. You
mentioned Klay Thompson. He's obviously not been the same, but
also older. But it's it is fascinating. I just don't remember,
(10:52):
and maybe some of this is we didn't cover injuries
the same. I didn't remember the volume of Achilles injuries
like we have now, especially at the top the athletic.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
World and the other domino that I think plays into
this is there was a question even though they won
the title last year on if Boston doesn't get it
done this year. What changes do you have to make
and the changes that you would have to make in Boston, Well,
Jason Tatum would either be in those plans or be
out of those plans, but right now he's not a
(11:23):
part of those plans. So if you're Boston and I
believe that they're going to lose this series, I don't
think they'll win these next three games, but even if
they do, I think they're going to be at a
disadvantage and win the title. What do you do moving forward?
In how do you chart who you are? Because I
do think for as great as the Knicks have been,
there's been something wrong with Boston. And it reminds me
(11:45):
in the NFL, Doug when a team comes out and
maybe jumps out to a twenty one, twenty four to
nothing lead because they're throwing the football all over the
field and everybody's fresh and having a great time. But
maybe the team that's slow and steady runs the football,
wears you down, is able to then get a stop
on defense. You know, one of those sort of things
(12:07):
like this recipe of the Knicks coming back and beating
the Celtics. If it's the third time that this has happened.
And granted, the deficits weren't as big in Game four
last night as they were in Games one and two,
but I think that there's something there and there's something
that's missing with Boston And now how do you look
at what their future is because you don't know about
(12:28):
the status of Jason Tatum. So does that put Jason
Tatum for as great as he has been in the
picture or out of the picture. I think that's a
huge offseason dilemma.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Now now he has a contract extension, like here's the
here's the part of the new super Max contract which
gets really interesting. And again, I don't know if you
agree with this, but I think Nico Harrison's having an
unbelievable week and a half. Right, we haven't gotten to
(12:59):
the fact that the lottery last night, the Dallas Mavericks
won the lottery. Not that that could ever be part
of Nico Harrison's grand plan, but his argument was, Hey,
this dude is never in shape.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
He's always hurt.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Talk about Luca and the more you're not in shape,
the more often you're going to get hurt. And then
he would have been luc would have been eligible for
the Supermax contract in Dallas this offseason. And what does
it look like when you have a Supermax player who's injured. Well,
we'll give you Jason Tatum. Next year, Jason Tatum is
(13:37):
going to make fifty four million dollars. That's a direct
fifty four million dollar cap hit fifty four to fifty
eight sixty two sixty seven.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
And then the last one is a player option for
seventy one million dollars. They're on the hook for five
years guaranteed at what looks like about a what a
sixty two sixty three million dollar average you do the math,
that's like a three hundred million dollar contract. That's what
we're talking about. It's five years, okay, five years at
over three hundred million dollars in overall value. It's five years,
(14:11):
three hundred and thirteen million dollars. Now he'll come back
and play. And again we're we're assuming, we're guessing it's
an Achilles ten, we're hoping it's not. Is that fair, Dan, like,
I haven't seen any official okay, but the point is
that if you're Nico and you're sitting there going yes,
won the lottery, you obviously feel good and then Luca
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looked pathetically out of shape and didn't play defense in
the playoffs and they lose. And then you go like, hey,
are you less or more likely to be injured over
the next five years if you always come in out
of shape And the answer is absolutely. And Jason Tatum,
who's never had those issues with conditioning, he goes down.
(14:54):
And this is where you're talking about the Celtics plans,
whatever plans they have. Not only do you have to
make them without Jason Tatum in mind, but you have
to make them with Jason Tatum on the salary cap.
There's nothing you can do to get that fifty four
point one million dollars off your salary cap. It is
crippling when a guy gets hurt.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
With this kind of contract.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
So, yeah, the Celtics are gonna lose, probably lose this series. Yeah,
it's going to cause for them to have to rethink
some things. And all of that said, there's nothing they
can do to move this Jason Tatum contract and that
number sits, sits and sits and sits. Sam just chimed
in to Marcus Cousins towards Achilles at the age of
(15:37):
twenty seven, Like Tatum, great, great example, DeMarcus Cousins was
never the same, of course to mark your Cousins was
not in shape. But still it does feel like there's
a scourge of these things in the NBA.
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so there was some surprise last night. That's uh, we'll
get to that in a second. Let me hear here's
that nick sound of our play of the day, Green
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right wing side step three.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
And had him backing again.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
He got it.
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Chanling Frontson puts the next up by twelve.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Chanle Brunson was incredible last night, thirty nine twelve assists
and another dub.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Okay, it's a good thing that we're all friends here,
because I think you guys know where I'm gonna go
with this, but I'll allow you. Sam, what is the
percentage chance you think there's a conspiracy that allowed the
(17:22):
Dallas Mavericks to get the number one pick in the
NBA Draft lottery last night?
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Man?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Chance? Percentage chance of a conspiracy? Yeah? One?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Okay, Dan Byer, that's.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
A really good answer by Sam. Fifty percent, fifty percent,
five zero, Doug Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Jase two.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
What's the question here?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
What is the percent chance you would give of the
likelihood of a conspiracy that led to the Dallas Mavericks
getting the number one overall draft pick in last night's
NBA Draft lottery.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
Let's see, I would land between Sam's and Dan's. But
I will say this, the conspiracy theory is a lot
more interested interesting to me than a collection of coincidences.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Oh, I don't doubt that it's super interesting, right, I mean, look,
pat ewing to the Knicks, the old frozen envelope, that
one I kind of buy, I kind of buy. But
and you know there's weird ones. Derek Rose from Chicago
to the Bulls Lebron James from Akron to the Cavaliers, right,
(18:45):
like these ones are weird or that or the Calves
lose Lebron and get the number one pick, Like we've
seen this happen. But we do realize that the NBA
had a conspiracy and they got anybody together or even
one person came up with the idea that the NBA
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would run the risk of ceasing to exist as a sport.
It would have to move into the WWE. Hey, just
we're just entertainment variety, right. They've already had the Donneghe thing,
which causes people to think that games are rigged by
the officials. And then if you added this, you couldn't
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take anything on the up and up that ever happens
in the NBA, it can't happen. Gambling, as I told
you before, is the lifeblood of professional sports.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
It just is.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
And this would make all the gambling markets go like, yeah,
well we can't get it in the NBA. Partnerships would
cease to exist. So I don't mind Sam's number of
one point eight percent because you're like, yeah, I mean, like, look,
I don't think so, but I got at least a
the scientific fact is like ninety seven percent.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Proven true.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
They leave that three percent because hey man, crazy stuff happens.
But Dan fifty percent, you're gonna have to support any
sort of argument there.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
I find it interesting how the Spurs find all this
lottery luck and even as they are not landing in
the number one spot, I find it interesting that it
was the number two spot with the San Antonio Spurs
the fifty percent. Well, I don't think it is rigged,
(20:38):
is I don't know why they would continually want to
load up the Western Conference. So if I did think
it was rigged, I would think that Philadelphia would have
gotten the number one overall pick to try to improve
the Sixers, to put Cooper flag there. We don't want.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Why not the Wizards.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Because I don't think that they trust the Wizards franchise.
I feel that they And that's why the victor wimbin
Yama pick of the Spurs while I thought and I
did not want him to go to the Spurs because
I'm like, Spurs won with Robinson, they won with Duncan.
Then they're gonna win again. Sure enough, they win again.
But it feels like it's the most stable organization, and
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it feels like maybe at least you could pair Cooper
Flag up with Tyrese MAXI have another contender in the East.
The Wizards just have nothing, and I think that they'd
be afraid that Cooper Flag would go there and just
disappear that he couldn't do it by himself.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Oh listen, I again, that team is an abject disaster.
Don't get me wrong, Okay, But if it's as you said,
it's good for business. It's good for business. If the
Knicks are good, it's good for business. If the Wizards
are good, you know, you get the nation's capital American
born player.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
It'd be good for business.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I just if anyone found out about it, then how
can we take anything the NBA does seriously or above board?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Ever? Again, we couldn't, so. I.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I just it's really the fan in you and the
historically knowledgeable fan in you that you're like because all
those other things, it's like, it's it. I actually completely
disagree with you, Jason, because you told that to me
on the phone earlier today, which is what was a
series of coincidences is not interesting.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Yeah, that's that's dull.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, I actually think that's way more interesting. Think about
it for a second. Let me let me pitch you
on this, Jay, I mean, let me see if I
can make you flip to seeing it from my perspective,
I might not.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Be able to.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Kind of amazing these things that are coincidences, right, It's
amazing that on an up and up draft lauder you
have a third party do it that's clearly monitored that
somehow the Bulls ping pong ball comes up when the
Bulls have a chance to select a Chicago born superstar
player who becomes an MVP in a Derek Rose kind
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of It's nothing short of remarkable that the Cleveland Cavaliers
when they're in the lottery, they get the ping pong
ball that gives them Lebron James. It's kind of amazing
that the San Antonio Spurs. You know, here's a San
Antonio kind of a whatever city. Right when you list
the big cities in Dallas in Texas, most people say Dallas,
(23:36):
Houston or Houston Dallas and then Austin, right, more so
than San Antonio. All of these things, and there's more
things that have come together. But all of these are
mere coincidences. And the fact that they're so remarkable that
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people actually think it's a conspiracy, I think makes it
super interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
But you don't.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
I mean, you just you just made the case for
why it's a conspiracy, right when things are just so
outrageously coincidental. That feeds into the narrative that it's a conspiracy,
which to me is much more interesting than coincidence.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
But I mean, you can't keep anything a secret today.
There's no chance everyone has a cell phone, everyone leaks
stuff on Reddit or to tmz or on social media.
Just the chances of that happening. Hey, listen, guys, we're
gonna get this together. We're gonna do this, and no
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one else is gonna know. Okay, like would happen?
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Dan Well, I was gonna take it into it just
a slightly different direction, but I wanted to pose a
question to you, guys. Do you think that the Mavericks
should have been penalized by winning their play in tournament game?
Because in this lottery situation, if you make the postseason,
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if you're a seven or eight seed, even if you're
in the playing tournament, you're not in the lottery, but
if you get ousted in the play in tournament, you
make the lottery and you are then slotted where you
were in the standings. So Dallas has the ten seed,
got the one point eight percent chance as opposed to
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Sacramento who was the nine seed. But it was Dallas
who beat Sacramento in that play in tournament. So I
thought that that was interesting, and I get why the
NBA is like, well, we don't want to incentivize teams
from losing sure in a play in tournament. But again
it's weighing the dilemma of would you rather have a
(25:55):
better chance at a pick or would you like to
have your season extended by two weeks before you're eliminated
in the playoffs. I that was that was interesting that
the spot that Dallas was in was a spot that
maybe they shouldn't have Maybe they should have been in
Sacramento spot because they beat Sacramento in that playing tournament.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, listen, I if we remember back, there was a
lot of talk of Anthony Davis sitting out the remainder
of the season as he was coming back from that was.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
An AB injury, right, yeah, lower, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
And we talked about this at the time that I
felt like they got guilted into playing him. They're like,
we just want to sit him because they were trying
to tank and get a better draft pick. Then he
plays and he's kind of awesome, and then obviously you
know you then you win a playing game. No, I
actually think this was the perfect scenario for teams to
why you keep playing because the common common thought, at
(26:59):
least what I thought, was with every game they win,
they're less and less likely to do anything in the lottery, right,
I mean one point chance.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So this goes counter to.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
That, but it does give reason for a conspiracy to
reward Dallas. Thanks for playing, Anthony Davis, thanks for not
giving up on the season, and we will reward you
with it. The funny thing with the conspiracies going back
to youing, we have video of the envelope, so we
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have talked about, as you said, frozen envelope, the folded corner,
all of those theories. This is done behind closed doors
so no one sees in a weird code of numbers.
I am someone who I'm I'm mad that Dallas got
it because I feel that they just got to free
get out of jail. Card sure and That's why I
(27:54):
don't like it. But I'd be fine if every team
in the lottery had the same amount of odds. You
would take away the tanking portion of it. And I
do think that it's good for a team in the
middle of the NBA to get a star player to
make them one of the better teams in the NBA,
as opposed to putting Cooper Flag on a Wizard's team
and watching them win twenty eight games for the next
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four years. I feel it's better for the league to
have a player of this caliber go to a team
that is knocking on the door of the of the
playoff run. Just the fact of the Mavericks that it
happened to the Mavericks, that just really annoys me.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yes, in the overall, the Maverick fit your premise.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
You just don't like the Mavericks because you think they
made a bad trade and they'll be rewarded for that.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Correct, Correct, that's why. But I think like ultimately and
the odds. By the way, previously, the NBA has changed
their ways in doing this. One year, it was twenty
five percent odds for the teams that had the worst record.
Now they're just going with the top three and fourteen percent,
which isn't a great chance as we saw only Charlotte
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State in the top four of the team picking, so
there wasn't a lot of advantage to those teams losing.
But I still think that if you have a weighted lottery,
because out of the last ten years, a team with
the best chance of winning had won it seven times,
so there's still incentive to stink. If you did it
the old way, Doug, you put a bin, a clear
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bin with fourteen envelopes, and you pull them out and
you put them on that board and then reveal it.
That's great TV, and I think that would take away
a lot of the conspiracy theories. But this behind the
door stuff, being like the code number they won with
was fourteen, sixteen twenty one. Are you listening, NBA? This
is how you remedy this. With what Dan just said,
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that's enough. I love the Tumblr, all those.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I love the tumbler too.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I love the I love the also love the the
California Lottery Ball selection where it comes up in that
section thing almost like the old bank teller, right, and
then you take it out of those back I love
those those are Hey, Jason and I.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Were talking about that the other week, those tubes. But
that's how they do it behind the scenes. Yeah, we
need to have all this out on display.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I think I think the problem is the process is
super boring. Is their problem right that Again, I'm with
you guys, But the process is we're gonna find fault
with everything, with everything, and if we're honest with ourselves,
some of it comes from the past conspiracy to the NBA,
some of it comes from the Tim Donekey, some of
(30:31):
it comes from the the.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
An entire political party.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Even though there's proof that nothing nefarious took place, still
claiming that something nefarious took place. It's like, no matter
how you do it, based on result, people are going
to claim conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
That's what they did. That's the reality to it.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
True. I would say in this scenario, because the deal
was with the Lakers, it would not be brought up
to the level at least of my fifty percent of
anyone or anyone else's if we didn't think they were
trying to give one of the golden franchises in the
NBA a bump. And we feel that the trade where
we all said, why didn't Dallas shop Luca around? They
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could have gotten a much better deal from another team.
The conspiracy lies in thank you, Mavericks for trading Luca
to the Lakers. That's where I think the ultimate conspiracy
is not that they just traded Luca away, but thanks
so much for doing a so solid and putting Luca
in a Laker uniform where he can play for the
next decade and take the torch from Lebron because there
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wasn't a succession plan. Thank you so much for that.
Here's how we're going to reward you.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
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Speaker 1 (31:56):
The Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, you guys
gotta check out our YouTube channel. I mean, like, we're
not on live, although we should be. But I love
it just because it gives us a chance, like Dan
and I to have like a face to face conversation.
(32:19):
It's just a completely different dynamic for watching and enjoying
this show.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Speaking of which, Dan's done with his banana. It's good.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Hey Dan, real quick, this is just an honest question. Yeah,
when you go when you go to the grocery store
and you buy bananas, what kind of banana are you
looking for? Okay, So for me again, I'll give you
the context of it. I like buying bananas there. I
don't like full yellow. I like green on the spines
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or on the.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Folds, whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Better a day or two too soon than a day
or two too late.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Gotcha, right, don't go whole.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I don't go all green, but I prefer like a
greenish hue, especially on the like folds or spine, whatever
you call it.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Yeah, this is not gonna surprise you. I would be
the opposite.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
So I've had so many people say, like, well, now
it's not even healthy for you anymore. It's just sugar.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, So like, great, that's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
I still think it's probably better than a candy bar,
though I would think. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I think it is better than a candy bar, not
that much. Let's get to the game.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
This is game tenhuish toffee stuck in my teeth for
thirty minutes, all right, Doug. The game today is rank them, Doug,
Rank the three teams best in line to win the
NBA title at this point in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
That's a great question, uh, I'm gonna go so Oklahoma
City and Denver tied it to a piece, correct, I'm
gonna go Oklahoma City.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Denver at three or at one?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Oh sorry at one?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Uh, Denver at three, the Nix at two in Oklahoma
City at one.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
Hmmm. Interesting? All right. I thought it could maybe be Pacers, Nicks,
and Timberwolves because of those three one leads, but.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Well, looks. I think the Pacers are going to advance.
I think the Knicks are going to advance. And I
just think whoever wins that series from Oklahoma City and
Denver will be the favorite in the next series. And
that that's my think about.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
It, all right, Doug, rank your top three all time
lottery moments.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
The actual, the not the not, the.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
Draft, the lottery, yes, the lottery.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Okay, pat Ewing at one. Let's work our way backwards.
I would say last night is probably two because the
Luca trade has been so discussed, yes, so discussed, and
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then again I don't remember anything special about it. But
when the Calves got the rights to draft Lebron James.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Would be three. I remember Daniel Gilbert having his son
and he was.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Like and he had he had the lucky rabbit's foot, right.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
Yeah, it was like their good luck charm, so neat
moments through it.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I also remember the late great Elgin Baylor and a
constant presence. There was like a twelve year run where
it was like, hey, listen, that's seats reserved for Elgin Baylor.
We don't know who else is gonna be the lottery,
but we know it's gonna be the representing the Clippers.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
It was a permanent deis for him to sit at all, right, Doug,
Rank the best three sport for a game seven? Oh best,
so basically NHL, NBA, Major League Baseball.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yep, I'll go NHL three. I know everybody it's like, oh,
it's yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
I wonder if that was going to be the curveball.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
It's the bashed NBA two, Major League Baseball one.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Jason Stewart, Are you good with that? Putting baseball Numero Luno?
Speaker 8 (36:23):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
Good talk. Ranked the three places Doug, you'd like to
see in an NFL game?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Rank them I get to watch it, or just they're
on TV. Well, I think up of a mountain of
Machu Picchu, or like.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
Here's the deal you were able to cross off Lambeau
about eight times this past year on your list. So
there's got to be a couple of other places. And
I didn't say stadiums because maybe you would like to
see the game in Spain, maybe you would like to
see the game in Ireland or Germany or Brazil.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
No, I have no desire to see them overseas. I'll
tell you why. You ever been a Super Bowl party
and you got the guy who played like small college
football explaining what's happening to everybody else in the party,
and you're like, dude, really, that's how I visual That's
how I picture going to a game overseas where you
got like, some people are fans, some people are like
they don't get it at all. You're like, no, no, we
(37:17):
don't cheer there. That's not it's just annoying, just annoying.
Places i'd like to see an NFL game. I'd like
to see him in some of these college stadiums.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
I interested remember when the Saints played at LSU. I
would love to see that now. I would love to
see a game at a at a big cut at
Brian Denny Stadium.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
That let's put that three all right? Two? Where else
I'd like to see one.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
You only got ten seconds in the segment.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
So Seattle.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I've never been to Seattle to watch game there and
Social Field. Like to see the Bears lose the Packers.
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