September 18, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug welcomes football Hall Of Famer Warren Moon onto the show to talk about Tua, Bryce Young, Caleb Williams and all of the news related to quarterbacks around the NFL. Doug weighs in on comments made by Deion Sanders about the media. Doug welcomes Daniel Jeremiah to talk about the Chargers, Bryce Young and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a Wednesday edition of "The Press".
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Speaker 2 (00:44):
DraftKings. The crown is yours. Okay, let's welcome in war Moon.
He's a Hall of Famer. I'm actually a personal friend
of mine and a guy who I just love to
talk ball with sports with. Uh but one, We're not
gonna do Lakers this time. We're not gonna do Hoop.
We're not gonna do Caitlin Clark because I know you
(01:06):
how much you love to I'm gonna I'm gonna focus
on NFL your are of expertise. You okay with that?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I am great with that. I'll talk sports, any type
of sports with you anytime.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
How you doing I'm doing good, man, I'm doing really well.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Good job at the Pump Foundation and dinner that too
long ago.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Thank you, thank you. It's it's one of the thrills
to see us these see so many guys that are
incredible what they've done throughout their lives and then and
hang out and hang out and raise money for uh
for Cancer for a for a cancer ward in uh
IN in Northridge, California. Let me ask you about Tua. Okay,
what do you think do you think he plays this here.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
If the Dolphins let him. I think he wants to.
He hasn't said anything that that shows me that he's
even thinking about retirement. I think he wants to get
as many opinions from uh you know, different neurologists and
that to kind of help him with a decision. But
I think in his mind he wants to play unless
somebody tells him some really bad or critical news that
(02:08):
it would change his mind. You got to remember he's
twenty six years old, he just signed a huge deal.
I'm sure he has goals that he wants to accomplish
on the field, and I know there's a risk if
he does go back out there, but every guy that
goes out there takes that risk, So I think he's
going to look at it as strongly as he can
to come back and try and play. And if he retired,
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it wouldn't surprise me because it would probably be the
best thing for him. I don't think it would hurt
him if he retired, but if he goes back out
and plays, I wouldn't be surprised by that either.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I'm sure, especially playing in Canada. And before we checked
on him, you suffered through concussions. Do you remember about
how many?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I've had six And those are just the ones that
were diagnosed. You know, there was a lot of other
plays where you get your head dinged and your you
kind of lose it for a second and before you
get your marbles back and then all of a sudden
you're able to call the next play. But yeah, you know,
football is a brutal game, and everybody that plays it
understands that when they get into it, there's guys that
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I know, and you know, like the lady Junior say
out he took his life, and I think a lot
of it was because of the CTE that he had
in his brain and other guys that I've known as well.
So that's something that you just have to deal with
and you have to accept that it might be part
of your it might be part of your life going forward,
and it's how much of that you want to accept
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and how much of it you're willing to deal with
later on in life, whether that comes or not. In
so far, I'm you know, I'm sixty seven years old
and I'm doing pretty good. I've had a lot of
neurological tests to make sure of that, but you just
never know. Every day you wake up wondering, Okay, when
is maybe some of those effects going to enter into
my body?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
You're sixty seven years old?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yes, sir?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Do you do you moisturize? Like, what's the deal? I know,
I know, black done crack, I got it, But seriously,
what's the deal?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Well? My mom? You know, my mother's ninety seven and
she's still living. And I showed you a picture of her,
you'd understand why. Maybe the genes that I have. I
really take good care of myself. And you know, I
grew up with a mom and six girls. My dad
passed when I was seven, so I learned a lot
of things women do to take care of their body
(04:28):
and their skin and all those different things that I
try and follow those those habits.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Definitely moisturizes, right, guys, Guys, there's no doubt he's a
he's a he's a he's a moisturizer. Not not gonna
be ashy, but I'm he's one of those guys that
he's putting all the good stuff on because.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
There's no way moisturizer either. You got to use good,
good moisturizer.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Definitely, Bryce Young. I don't know if he's good enough,
but I don't think that's what this is as much
as he has no confidence, right Like you can't you
can't go from being what he was a modern day
what he was at Alabama to being like the very
very basic throws he's not making, he's not seeing. Is
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that a fair assessment that right now it's forget about
talent and upside and see what we can become. He's
just completely lost his confidence. Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I think he has and I think he's shell shocked
a little bit too. The kid has gotten the crap
kicked out of him the last year and a couple
of games this season. Every time I look at highlights him,
he's taking huge hits. And as a quarterback, you can
only take so much of that before you start and
not focusing on the defense, but you're focusing on the
pass rush. Where is my escape going to be? Where
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can I get out of this madness? Because you got
to remember, when you're in that pocket, it's like five collisions,
car collisions happening right around you, and you're supposed to
stand there and watch all that happen, but also be
able to focus downfield and throw the football. So if
you get too much of that to where people are
beating on you, there's just a matter of time before
you're not going to be able to have that focus
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down the field. You're going to be looking at, like
I said, your escape pattern or how you can get
out of that mess. And that's what he's doing right now.
He's looking at the pass rush and he's not able
to focus down the field, and he's not able to
throw the football the way he wants to. Because you
have to be able to have that focus down the
field on your receiver on the secondary in order to
be successful throwing the football. And he's not able to
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do that right now.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, moon's our guests. He's a Hall of Fame quarterback
who of course knows it all because he's gone through
every element of this as a quarterback. Okay, so here's
the big question. Can he get it back?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I think he can in the right environment, but it's
not going to happen overnight. I think he'd be better
off maybe going to another address, get out of that
situation there in Carolina because it's probably going to be
negative until he actually gets on the field and does
a lot of great things, and then he probably needs
to sit behind somebody else. You know, a quarterback to
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this pretty successful that he can look and learn from
where he doesn't have to get out on the field.
And that's what I hate about these these number one
draft picks or number one overall draft picks. They have
to get on the field sometimes before they're ready, before
sometimes before the organization is ready for them to play.
You watch Caleb Williams the other night, he got his
tail wrecked against against Houston. They were hitting him everywhere,
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and that affects your confidence. And I'm sure he was
rocked a little bit after that game was over by
the amount of punishment that he took in that game
that he's probably not used to taking over the last,
you know, so many years of his college career. But
sometimes when you go to situations where an organization doesn't
have the surrounding cast and the infrastructure that you need,
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you're going to go through that. And it's how it
affects you and can you overcome that or will it
affect your confidence? And we've seen many number one overall
draft picks this happened to because they usually go to
bad teams.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
They definitely do it. Stug out leave show here on
Fox Sports, right, Warren Moon is our guest. We're talking
all things football, all things quarterback. Let's get to Caleb Williams. Okay,
So Caleb Williams is the number one prospect obviously at Oklahoma,
he came in three games in set the world on fire.
Then goes to usc good first year, second year, forces
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of all too much, they have a tough year, still
goes number one overall. They build a whole new offense
around him, struggle with some accuracy issues in the preseason,
and those struggles have continued through two games with the Bears.
What's your assessment of Caleb so far.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Well, I think he's learning how to be a more
structured quarterback, something that he was never asked to do
when he was at Oklahoma or USC. He was more
of an improviser and he was going to make plays happen,
you know, after the fact, second second, what do you
call him, second response plays, you know, after the play
breaks down. That's where he made a lot of his
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plays in the NFL. You can only do that so
many times because those guys are just as big and
fast as you are, and you're not gonna be able
to run away from those guys like you did in college.
And he tried to do that a couple of times
the other night, and it's just not going to happen.
So you better learn to be more structured. You better
learn to be more on time with your throws, and
then you do have that special ability that he does
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have that when he needs to do that, be able
to do that and make some of those plays per
ball game, kind of like Patrick Mahomes. They had to
kind of coach that out of Patrick when he first
came into the league, but he got a chance to
sit and watch Alex Smith for a year before he
had to actually get on the field, and then once
he got out there, he understood that I can't run
around here and do all these things. I've got to
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stay within the structure of the offense. But I do
have the ability if things do break down, I can
make things happen with my legs. And I think Caleb
just has to start to understand that. And I think
watching his play the other night, if he watches that
film closely, he'll see where he did some really good
things from the pocket. I think he was about sixty
five percent thrower that night, but he was forced to
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make a bunch of plays at the end because they
were behind and they weren't able to run the football
that well. So I think that's where it really hurt him.
But I think he's gonna be okay because there's there's
good talent there, there's good weapons there, but they're still
going to have to show up that middle part of
their offensive line. That's where he got a lot of
pressure right up the middle, and that's where most quarterbacks
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don't want to get that pressure from They don't want
to get it up in their face like that.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Still Gottlieb Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio, Warren Moon
is our guest. What about Jalen Hurts. You know last
year Shane Stiken leaves and the offense, even though they
got off to a ten no start, it was clunky.
He wasn't the same now here. We are two games
in there, one in one, but bad pick doesn't look
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like the quarterback he was two years ago. I don't know.
It feels like he's still not in sync with the
play calling with the offense. But again, we're the layman,
you're the expert. What do you see with Jalen with
yet another new offense.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Well, that's part of the problem. This will be his
third offensive coordinator in the last three years. He had
He had success with Shane and then all of a sudden,
I forgot who came in last year. I think it
was his quarterback coach took over his offensive coordinator, and
now he's to another coordinator. So he's he's having to
learn and I think the coordinator's having to learn him
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as well. What he does well. And one of the problems,
Doug is none of these guys play in the preseason,
so you have a new play caller come in, you
don't play much, you know, in games, and then all
of a sudden when the games start, now they want
you to be sharp, you know, like you've been playing
all preseason long, and you haven't, so they're learning on
the run. These are things, These are mistakes that he
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should be making in preseason games. But he doesn't play
in the preseason, just like a lot of these other quarterbacks,
and I think it really affects them, you know, those
first two three games into the season, before they get there,
you know, their feet up underneath them. So that's part
of that's part of it. And then another thing I
see with Jaalen he's bailing too fast. He's bailing the
pocket sometimes too quickly. He's not letting the plays develop,
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and he wants to take off and run, and that's
something he did in his first two years when he
was in Philadelphia. I want to see him get back
and sit in the pocket and let these plays develop,
read them out and throw the football as opposed to,
you know, trying to make everything happen with his feet.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
War Moon joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports. Right, of course, Warren's Hall of Famer
in the Nation Footall League Hall of Famer in the
Canadian Football League as well. Aaron Rodgers plays the Patriots
on Thursday. How you know, here's a guy who week
one didn't move like he used to move. Nobody does
them there for he's been coming off an achilles better
(12:52):
in game two. But again, I'm the nillame and you're
the expert. What have you seen from from Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, I think Aaron's just trying to get comfortable again.
You know, you got to remember he's only played up
coming into this season, you know, four plays in the
last two years because he was hurt all of last
year after the achilles injury. So it's been a while
before he's actually played a whole football game. And he
finally did that a couple of weeks ago, and he
got a little bit better this week. Uh, he's still
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you know, learning, learning his players. Uh, he's still having
to learn the things he can and can't do from
the from the achilles. I'm sure what he feels comfortable
with and what he doesn't and all, and he's doing
all that in game time situation. So again, he's another
guy that didn't play during the preseason, so he's kind
of doing all this stuff. It's like on the job training.
You're you're you're playing a real game, still trying to
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figure out what you do best, as opposed to maybe
doing getting that done during the preseason. So I blame
a lot of these coaches for for the slow starts
for all these offenses this year, because these guys didn't
get a chance to play or didn't want them to
play during the preseason. And that's why you see these
offenses behind. They're just not They're not in tune, they're
not playing with a lot of rhythm, and it takes
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it's going to take a couple of weeks for these
teams to really get up and going to the speed
that they want to get going at because they just
haven't played enough.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Sounds like you got some emails to return. I'm just
telling you. I hear that sound. I know you got
emails in return. We got bills we have to pay
coming in. You got emails coming in warning. You're the
best man. Let's catch up offline really soon.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I appreciate you joining us, all right, Doug appreciated mail.
Let's talk down the road.
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This is a great song. Sorry, if you're on the podcast, like,
what song are you talking about? We'll discussed in a
second Doug Gotlib Show Fox Sports Radio. You know, there's
this cottage industry of people who are important that when
something is reported or discussed they don't like they blame
(15:04):
the media, right, they blame the media. I mean, look,
let's just be honest. Donald Trump has said, like there's
a lot of reasons that I will never ever vote
for Donald Trump. Okay, and it's not physical policies. It's
like he has declared that the media is the enemy
of the state. Now, I'm like fully aware that, as
(15:26):
we've discussed on radio and on pod that, like, let's
be honest the media. You have networks that take sides
which is not representative of the media, but saying the
media is the enemy of the state when the media
is supposed to keep the state honest. Part of the
checks and balances, right, and again, you look at his history.
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When things are reported and reported fairly, then it's the
media out to get them media enemy.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Of the state.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Right, He's not the only one. Other politicians do it,
other sports people do it. Other It's just the easiest
thing to do. Is when you don't like a story
that you're part of, you say the media of the media,
of the media. Okay, say the media of the media,
of the media, instead of simply stating your case. So
(16:20):
Dion Sanders is defending his own son in the media
or to the media. Here was a response yesterday from Prime.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
When I say I genuinely love these kids, I genuinely
really do. It's not about what they can do for
me on the football field, It's about what I can
help them with in life. Landscape has changed in football.
Once upon a time, you guys never attack college players.
Now they're making more money than y'all, and some of
y'all are envious and jealous about that. So you're on
the tech. It was hands off a college player because
(16:52):
he's an amate You remember remember that, guys, Now it's
hands on, go at them any kind of way.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
You won't.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
They're making more money than me, and I'm mad about it.
When you attack them, attack them, attacking them. These guys
are sensitive. They've never been attacks. They hadn't gone through
what a grown man would. I've been going through with
y'all for years. They haven't done that. So it is
what it is. I know you're going to do your
job and what you must do, but your job does
not say in attack the personal stuff. Leave it to
be personal, because we start flipping the script on y'all.
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You wouldn't like it. Hecky, he's thank you Lord for
stopping me to day. Oh that was almost a good one.
That would have went varrol.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Okay. So the first thing is the premise that college
college kids are, you're not able to be critical of them.
And because you're getting personal, like, what do you mean? Okay,
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there's no personal when it becomes a publicly discussed story.
And I don't believe by the way anybody's discussed one
of his sons gone through some bankruptcy and other like,
those questions aren't even asked. There are still things that
are off limits because they're college kids. But when you're
making the money. Shed Or Sanders is the highest paid,
reportedly highest paid college player in the country, you're telling
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everybody he should be the number one pick in the
upcoming NFL draft. He's going to be viewed and judged differently,
and when his behavior isn't what most people think is
the type of behavior you want to represent your football
team and your university. You're the dad and the head coach.
You have to discuss that. But instead of discussing it,
or even you can defend your son. Hey, look, Colorado State,
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they talk trash. I don't blame him for his response
to the other quarterback, but instead he doesn't make it
about the actual facts and details of the discussion. Instead
he makes it about the media of the media, the media.
It's a tired card. If you view something differently, if
you want us to look at it differently, especially somebody
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who keep in mind. Deon Sandaer is a brilliant dude, Okay,
incredibly eloquent. So if he wants to defend how he
coaches his team, how he coaches his son, his son's behavior,
he can. He's well equipped. He's one of the most
articulate men to ever coach in college football. He's not
a dumb pe coach who became a head coach in
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college He's not. But instead he does the thing which
I just despise, which is it's the media, the media,
the meeta, it's you, like, dude, stop I, and the
idea that the media is only reporting this way because
they're jealous of Shadore. Stop it, stop it. Come on, dude,
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coach your team and you're either coaching it or allowing
it stuck. Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. He's
Daniel Jeremiah. He's an NFL analyst host to Move the
Sticks podcast, and he joins us and h DJ let
me let me let me ask you. You you called
the game. I've heard some of your commentary, and I
think it's just dead on accurate. You said the two
things you learned about the Chargers Panthers game is that
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the Chargers are very physical team. And what about the Panthers.
Speaker 8 (20:05):
I said, the Panthers have the first pick in the
twenty five draft. I almost be pretty shocked if that
isn't the case. It's just not a it's not a
good roster. It's one of the worst that I've seen
since I got into the league in two thousand and three.
And you know, Bright just, you know, completely lost his confidence.
I almost thought not only was I not surprised that
move happened, you know, I I'm in agreement with it,
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just because when your confidence is shot and can you
get to the point they can't. He couldn't complete a
bubble screen, and so I'm like, at some point in
time you kind of owe it to the rest of
the team say Okay, we gotta we got to try
something different here. So, yeah, it's a rough it's a
rough spot there in Carolina right now. But the other
side of that coin is, you know, Jim Marbo has
got the Chargers playing a very, very physical brand of football,
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which is a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
No, I love it and it's everything. Like Jaysu and
I we we we just have had such a different
feeling and have confidence that we know it's going to
work on Someone doesn't make it super doesn't mean they
win a Super Bowl. I don't know. But they're confidently coached.
They have a plan. They're executing that plan, which is
groundbreaking considering what we've seen recently or in the last
(21:13):
while from the from the from the LA Charger. But
let's let's focus on Bryce young Day. Because you wear
multiple hats, analysts, you're also a former quarterback yourself and
your draft analyst. And I think the confidence element to
it is is a fascinating discussion because you can't even
figure out if he's ultimately good enough to be a
starting quarterback because he doesn't have his confidence. He had
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no shot, no matter how strong his arm is. Okay,
So can he get his confidence back in Carolina?
Speaker 8 (21:43):
I don't think so in Carolina. I think, first of all,
I think he's going to be heavily dependent on his
support system, and I think they're you know, they might
be three years away from you know, building up the
support needed to support him. I mean, he can't be
a successful quarterback. He's just not gonna be one of
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those guys that can do it with some parts here there.
He's gonna need the full deck, and you know, to
be ast. Tua was similar. You know, we saw to
a struggle and then they rapidly you know, improved the
roster around him, and that included not only the roster
but in the play caller. And when Tua you know,
had been you know healthy, Fortunately, during the time he
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was healthy, you saw him a more than competent player.
I think Brightce could have the same type of success,
But I just I think that's that was lightning in
a bottle. The way that they did it. They're you know,
fixing the uh you know, the receiver room, the offensive line. Mean,
you go out and get Armstead, you go out and
get tyreek Kill, you get Waddle, you get an elite
play caller, like all those things happened, and then we
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saw to a you know, play like a totally different quarterback.
I don't think they're going to be able to pull
that off in Carolina.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Okay, is the Jews worth the squeeze, meaning like, say,
you're a team out there, like, hey, we can get
him from nothing, and rehab him is even worth it
because end of the day, even if he's confident, he
ain't good enough.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
Yeah the ceiling, Yeah, this is the that's the rub, right,
And you know it's one of those things where you know,
I've got to do my own evaluation of uh, you know, hey,
I I bought in on him and the accuracy, the
decision making, the poise, the toughness, and that is one
thing about him. He is very tough. He's not a
big guy, but he's very tough. And so I you know,
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in hindsight, you still have to factor in all those
other physical traits and capabilities which you're going to limit
your ceiling. And that's why you see the list of
guys who've gone on in other places to have success
with Sam and Baker and Gino Golf, you know, even
Golf having that second run in the with the Rams
once once they changed coaches. Those guys just had a
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different level of physical ability that Bryce doesn't have. Even look,
I don't know, you know, odds are Zach Wilson's probab
never going to be it. You're never going to be
a starting quarterback or quality starting quarterback. But Sean Payton
was willing to roll the dice on him because he's
still got an explosive, explosive arm and as a plus
plus athlete. So I think you'll see teams a little
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more willing to, you know, try and you know, resurface
one of these guys when they have a little bit
more upside with this one. It'll be a little more challenging.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Doug Gottlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio, what did
you think of why the Eagles lost that game?
Speaker 8 (24:33):
Well, I mean, here's the one thing that I'll say
about the end of the game. But everybody just focuses
on the end of the game. I think there's other
things throughout the game that you could say they missed
their opportunities. Maybe a little too aggressive early, but at
the end of the game. You know how many times
under the era we're in right now with which is
still the after effects of the Belichick Sapan era, even
though they're both out right now, and how many times
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have we had it beaten into us. It's the process,
it's not the result. It's the process. The process, well,
that final play, the process was the right process. When
you look at the standpoint, the guy's wide open, he's
he's got a track record having excellent hands, the ball
is perfectly thrown, and it just it didn't work out.
So we can, you know, we can crush him on
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the result, but I actually think the process was was
understandable while I looked at it.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, I agree.
I agree the process is fine. I think part of
it is. And and that pass was not Jalen's fault.
The interception was. And I know we're on a new offense.
I know the offense the play calling wasn't great last year,
but this is something I've discussed with a lot of
people in the NFL. Like, I get he had that
(25:45):
great season. Hey, that's I'm not saying it's a fluke, Okay,
but if the year before he had the MVP year,
people were wondering do you stick with him or do
you draft somebody? You don't go from an average to
above average NFL quarterback or a young average NFL quarterback
to being the best player in the league, Okay, and
(26:06):
then you regress towards being an average to above average
NFL quarterback. Like the outlier is the great year, not
the rest? Am I am I wrong? Like we are
we evaluating Jalen on an unfair scale because that one
year was in fact the outlier and this is really
more of who he is.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
Well, I think, you know, we got to get through
more of this season. But I think if we get
to the end of this year and it looks up
and down as we've seen early on here, then I
think then you have a fair point. You know, I've
seen guys who've started out mediocre and then it's clicked.
Drew Brees a great example of that. You know, Ben,
before he hurt the shoulder, the light had started to
come on there, and he was playing well in the
(26:47):
what third or fourth year, So I've seen guys make
that step, but it's not often you see him take
that positive step and then regress multiple years. So I
think this is a big year for him. I think
it's a big, you know, prove it stage. I think
they've had they've had the benefit of having, you know,
the number one or number two offensive line in the NFL,
(27:09):
and I think right now maybe it's the number you know,
eight to ten range offensive line, but it can life
a little bit easier on you prominent because they've been
upfront in the past, and I don't know that they're
quite at that same level right now as they used
to be.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Okay, Aaron Rodgers, does he still have it?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Well?
Speaker 8 (27:35):
Not what he was? No, I mean, I don't think
he's ever going to be what he was, and then
you already started to see the slippage towards the end
of his time in Green Bay. So I don't think
he's going to have a Tom Brady esque, you know,
finish in the early forties where Tom had some of
his best years, including a Super Bowl. But I think
this team is equipped to not need him to do that. Defensively,
(27:56):
I haven't played up to their level, their standard, but
talent wise, still in great shape. If they can get
some more. They need some guys to step up around
Garrett Wilson and Brief Hall, and you saw it a
little bit with Braylen Allen last week. That's a good
sign for them. But I think, you know, can Aaron
be a decision making caretaker who with the occasional you know, nice,
(28:17):
you know, exceptional throw. Yes, but I don't think this
is going to be the old days where everything runs
exactly to Aaron's right arm and they're gonna, you know,
he's gonna lift them up to a Super Bowl. I
don't think that's how I don't think that's how they're built,
and I don't think that's how he's you know, playing.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
At the moment, I'm fascinated by the Cowboys. I don't
Maybe maybe it's just we need to talk about the Saints,
but I don't know how the Cowboys just get drug
like that by the Saints at their place. What's wrong
in Big d Well?
Speaker 8 (28:47):
You know, the Cowboys played much better that first week,
and then this week they they ran into Clint Kubiak,
who has done a really nice job creatively. I think
it's going to take a minute for everybody to figure
out what they're doing on an adjust to what they're
doing with some of just the eye candy and misdirection
stuff they were doing in that game with Polers that
mess with the linebackers to the Cowboys and got them
(29:10):
at a position mess mess with their eyes in a
big way. I was like, you, Doug from the thought
process when I went in to watch that tape, was like,
holy crap, how are the Cowboys this bat on defense?
After what we saw the week before? And then after
I watched it, I was like, you know what, this
is some creative fun stuff that they're doing with the
Saints right now, and they just.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
So is it again? It's hard. We don't have a
video screen. Whatever you think, Kubiak, you think Shanahan's you know,
Shanahan offense right because his dad was Shanahan offense guy, right,
Like that's he's a convert of that. You know, Kyle
obviously used to coach you know, under his under his
dad as well. Like it's all kind of related. Is
it a different version of what so many other teams
(29:54):
are doing with that offense?
Speaker 8 (29:56):
I think it's you know, if you look at Mike McDaniel,
who came under that tree, right, But then you watch
some of the stuff he was doing in Miami, which
was just he was known for what he did in
the run game creativity wise, and building off of that system,
and I think that Kubiak kind of taking a different
branch with some other creative stuff that he's doing, just
with with different combinations of pollers and and angles that
(30:20):
they're using in the run game. And then the Shanahan
scheme has always been really good in the screen game.
And uh, I mean, that's that could be a long
discussion if you get somebody on here that's uh, you know,
that's really versed, well versed in offensive football with the coaching.
From the coaching side of things, there are teams that
are excellent screen teams and everybody's oh, you can all
(30:40):
run the same place. No, no, no, that that how you
teach that is incredibly important and there are some that
are very good at it. And then you can watch
like the Bears the other day, they are not at
this point time and Caleb's young, but they're they're timing
on screens was awful. But that's something that you have
to really spend a lot of time on and they
clearly have done that.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
In oraland Stut Gottlieb Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio,
Daniel Jeremiah's is our guest DJ. I'm I'm apologizing, but
not apologizing right, just I want to get one more
out of you. I watched Anthony Richardson and there's two
parts to it. I don't think he's an NFL quarterback
because he's so inaccurate and he doesn't see it. On
(31:20):
the other hand, Shane Staken's not running him a ton.
They're not running him nearly like when he was in Philly.
He ran Jalen Hurts a bunch. The only way it
works is if you run him. Did they have PTSD
because of the Andrew Luck thing? Like, why aren't they
running him more?
Speaker 8 (31:37):
I think it was because he got hurt last year,
you know, And eventually, you know, that's you got to
roll the dice and realize that we have got to
win games. And maybe the hope is that a couple
of years from now we can take a little of
that office plate and we can ask him to play
a little more, you know, pocket quarterback. But right now,
(31:58):
in order for them to win games. He has to
be a part of the run game, has to and
this season, I know, you know a lot of a
lot of teams don't play guys in preseason, and we
use these first couple of weeks to kind of find
your footing. But we lose one or two more of
these things. Your season's coast. So you can't afford to
go oh and three, oh and four. And to me,
(32:19):
I don't know how they get to the winner circle
without him being more impactful in the run game. He
has to.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Agreed. Agreed, DJ, you the best, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 8 (32:29):
Thanks Bydy.
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(33:38):
do you got, my friends?
Speaker 5 (33:39):
Kind of the big news of the day that NBA
insider Adrian Warzanowski's worked for ESPN the last seven years,
did work for Fox previously at one point, and other
entities as well, announced he's retiring from the Insider Game
to become the general manager of the Saint Bonavstre men's
basketball program.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Well, he's got a passion for his alma mater, I
get it. I also just wonder if he's just tired
of being on his cell phone all the time, right, Like,
I'm on my cell phone way too much even before
I got this job. Now, with this job, you're on
it all the time, and nobody's on as much as
those insiders. But he didn't create the cottage industry. But
(34:23):
he created the WOJ bomb because he had the bigger,
biggest of big stories in basketball. He's a friend of mine.
I respect him a ton, and walking away from the
cottage industry you kind of created is pretty amazing.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
I still think, and I'm maybe biased, I still think
Jay Glazer is the greatest insider of all time.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Okay, Jay's deal is he only does huge stories.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Yeah, and it doesn't do much of it anymore. But
he had the stories before anybody did. And when you
you will see a lot of insiders, Rapaport, Schefter, those guys,
they have the same story within seconds of each other. Yeah, yeah, yes,
yes for the most part.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yes, yes, yes, yes. I think he had the woes,
had the big, big, big big ones, and Jay Glazier
has the big, big big ones. Yes, but Jay's, but
the volume of Jays have cut down substantially. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Last, he's kind of out of the games, not necessarily.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I think he saves it for TV. Sure, you know,
which is hard because it's a limited window. What do
you say, Jase two, I.
Speaker 7 (35:40):
Was just saying that the guy walks away from what
seven figures, Well, he walks away from being the top
of his game. He's got all those contacts on his phone.
I mean, this is amazing. I think it's an amazing
like shifting career.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, it's it's called the it's called pivoting.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
So what are is duties going to be?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Then? So yeah, I think GM you do all this
stuff that we don't want to do as coaches. You
got to watch all these other games. Connect. So here
here's what they do. Connect with agents. Okay, because the
agent represent players who can get guys in. And then
I'm sure he'll have some responsibilit in terms of raising
money as well and kind of organizing help organizing their NIL.
(36:22):
But really it's used those connections with agents to help
them get players. I'm not sure it matters though if
you don't have the money at Saint Bonaventure. But again
that he'll basically be watching, communicating with anybody not who's
not the players, about guys that can be in the
portal for years to come, try to line up the roster,
and I'm guessing also work with their collective and work
(36:43):
with their coach on their NIL currently the NIL for
the future and managing that budget and raising more money
for the budget.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
The NFL says. Overall viewership numbers to the first two
weeks of this season are up twelve percent from last year.
I don't know what the difference would be, but up
twelve percent.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I don't know. People just love watching sports, man. I've
been waiting for it, and when it came, is finally there.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
That's the press.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
They get out there and press.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
That was the press.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:44):
DraftKings. The crown is yours. Okay, let's welcome in war Moon.
He's a Hall of Famer. I'm actually a personal friend
of mine and a guy who I just love to
talk ball with sports with. Uh but one, We're not
gonna do Lakers this time. We're not gonna do Hoop.
We're not gonna do Caitlin Clark because I know you
(01:06):
how much you love to I'm gonna I'm gonna focus
on NFL your are of expertise. You okay with that?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I am great with that. I'll talk sports, any type
of sports with you anytime.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
How you doing I'm doing good, man, I'm doing really well.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Good job at the Pump Foundation and dinner that too
long ago.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Thank you, thank you. It's it's one of the thrills
to see us these see so many guys that are
incredible what they've done throughout their lives and then and
hang out and hang out and raise money for uh
for Cancer for a for a cancer ward in uh
IN in Northridge, California. Let me ask you about Tua. Okay,
what do you think do you think he plays this here.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
If the Dolphins let him. I think he wants to.
He hasn't said anything that that shows me that he's
even thinking about retirement. I think he wants to get
as many opinions from uh you know, different neurologists and
that to kind of help him with a decision. But
I think in his mind he wants to play unless
somebody tells him some really bad or critical news that
(02:08):
it would change his mind. You got to remember he's
twenty six years old, he just signed a huge deal.
I'm sure he has goals that he wants to accomplish
on the field, and I know there's a risk if
he does go back out there, but every guy that
goes out there takes that risk, So I think he's
going to look at it as strongly as he can
to come back and try and play. And if he retired,
(02:30):
it wouldn't surprise me because it would probably be the
best thing for him. I don't think it would hurt
him if he retired, but if he goes back out
and plays, I wouldn't be surprised by that either.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I'm sure, especially playing in Canada. And before we checked
on him, you suffered through concussions. Do you remember about
how many?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I've had six And those are just the ones that
were diagnosed. You know, there was a lot of other
plays where you get your head dinged and your you
kind of lose it for a second and before you
get your marbles back and then all of a sudden
you're able to call the next play. But yeah, you know,
football is a brutal game, and everybody that plays it
understands that when they get into it, there's guys that
(03:14):
I know, and you know, like the lady Junior say
out he took his life, and I think a lot
of it was because of the CTE that he had
in his brain and other guys that I've known as well.
So that's something that you just have to deal with
and you have to accept that it might be part
of your it might be part of your life going forward,
and it's how much of that you want to accept
(03:35):
and how much of it you're willing to deal with
later on in life, whether that comes or not. In
so far, I'm you know, I'm sixty seven years old
and I'm doing pretty good. I've had a lot of
neurological tests to make sure of that, but you just
never know. Every day you wake up wondering, Okay, when
is maybe some of those effects going to enter into
my body?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
You're sixty seven years old?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yes, sir?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Do you do you moisturize? Like, what's the deal? I know,
I know, black done crack, I got it, But seriously,
what's the deal?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Well? My mom? You know, my mother's ninety seven and
she's still living. And I showed you a picture of her,
you'd understand why. Maybe the genes that I have. I
really take good care of myself. And you know, I
grew up with a mom and six girls. My dad
passed when I was seven, so I learned a lot
of things women do to take care of their body
(04:28):
and their skin and all those different things that I
try and follow those those habits.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Definitely moisturizes, right, guys, Guys, there's no doubt he's a
he's a he's a he's a moisturizer. Not not gonna
be ashy, but I'm he's one of those guys that
he's putting all the good stuff on because.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
There's no way moisturizer either. You got to use good,
good moisturizer.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Definitely, Bryce Young. I don't know if he's good enough,
but I don't think that's what this is as much
as he has no confidence, right Like you can't you
can't go from being what he was a modern day
what he was at Alabama to being like the very
very basic throws he's not making, he's not seeing. Is
(05:07):
that a fair assessment that right now it's forget about
talent and upside and see what we can become. He's
just completely lost his confidence. Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I think he has and I think he's shell shocked
a little bit too. The kid has gotten the crap
kicked out of him the last year and a couple
of games this season. Every time I look at highlights him,
he's taking huge hits. And as a quarterback, you can
only take so much of that before you start and
not focusing on the defense, but you're focusing on the
pass rush. Where is my escape going to be? Where
(05:38):
can I get out of this madness? Because you got
to remember, when you're in that pocket, it's like five collisions,
car collisions happening right around you, and you're supposed to
stand there and watch all that happen, but also be
able to focus downfield and throw the football. So if
you get too much of that to where people are
beating on you, there's just a matter of time before
you're not going to be able to have that focus
(06:00):
down the field. You're going to be looking at, like
I said, your escape pattern or how you can get
out of that mess. And that's what he's doing right now.
He's looking at the pass rush and he's not able
to focus down the field, and he's not able to
throw the football the way he wants to. Because you
have to be able to have that focus down the
field on your receiver on the secondary in order to
be successful throwing the football. And he's not able to
(06:21):
do that right now.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, moon's our guests. He's a Hall of Fame quarterback
who of course knows it all because he's gone through
every element of this as a quarterback. Okay, so here's
the big question. Can he get it back?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I think he can in the right environment, but it's
not going to happen overnight. I think he'd be better
off maybe going to another address, get out of that
situation there in Carolina because it's probably going to be
negative until he actually gets on the field and does
a lot of great things, and then he probably needs
to sit behind somebody else. You know, a quarterback to
(07:00):
this pretty successful that he can look and learn from
where he doesn't have to get out on the field.
And that's what I hate about these these number one
draft picks or number one overall draft picks. They have
to get on the field sometimes before they're ready, before
sometimes before the organization is ready for them to play.
You watch Caleb Williams the other night, he got his
tail wrecked against against Houston. They were hitting him everywhere,
(07:24):
and that affects your confidence. And I'm sure he was
rocked a little bit after that game was over by
the amount of punishment that he took in that game
that he's probably not used to taking over the last,
you know, so many years of his college career. But
sometimes when you go to situations where an organization doesn't
have the surrounding cast and the infrastructure that you need,
(07:46):
you're going to go through that. And it's how it
affects you and can you overcome that or will it
affect your confidence? And we've seen many number one overall
draft picks this happened to because they usually go to
bad teams.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
They definitely do it. Stug out leave show here on
Fox Sports, right, Warren Moon is our guest. We're talking
all things football, all things quarterback. Let's get to Caleb Williams. Okay,
So Caleb Williams is the number one prospect obviously at Oklahoma,
he came in three games in set the world on fire.
Then goes to usc good first year, second year, forces
(08:20):
of all too much, they have a tough year, still
goes number one overall. They build a whole new offense
around him, struggle with some accuracy issues in the preseason,
and those struggles have continued through two games with the Bears.
What's your assessment of Caleb so far.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Well, I think he's learning how to be a more
structured quarterback, something that he was never asked to do
when he was at Oklahoma or USC. He was more
of an improviser and he was going to make plays happen,
you know, after the fact, second second, what do you
call him, second response plays, you know, after the play
breaks down. That's where he made a lot of his
(08:57):
plays in the NFL. You can only do that so
many times because those guys are just as big and
fast as you are, and you're not gonna be able
to run away from those guys like you did in college.
And he tried to do that a couple of times
the other night, and it's just not going to happen.
So you better learn to be more structured. You better
learn to be more on time with your throws, and
then you do have that special ability that he does
(09:19):
have that when he needs to do that, be able
to do that and make some of those plays per
ball game, kind of like Patrick Mahomes. They had to
kind of coach that out of Patrick when he first
came into the league, but he got a chance to
sit and watch Alex Smith for a year before he
had to actually get on the field, and then once
he got out there, he understood that I can't run
around here and do all these things. I've got to
(09:41):
stay within the structure of the offense. But I do
have the ability if things do break down, I can
make things happen with my legs. And I think Caleb
just has to start to understand that. And I think
watching his play the other night, if he watches that
film closely, he'll see where he did some really good
things from the pocket. I think he was about sixty
five percent thrower that night, but he was forced to
(10:04):
make a bunch of plays at the end because they
were behind and they weren't able to run the football
that well. So I think that's where it really hurt him.
But I think he's gonna be okay because there's there's
good talent there, there's good weapons there, but they're still
going to have to show up that middle part of
their offensive line. That's where he got a lot of
pressure right up the middle, and that's where most quarterbacks
(10:25):
don't want to get that pressure from They don't want
to get it up in their face like that.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Still Gottlieb Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio, Warren Moon
is our guest. What about Jalen Hurts. You know last
year Shane Stiken leaves and the offense, even though they
got off to a ten no start, it was clunky.
He wasn't the same now here. We are two games
in there, one in one, but bad pick doesn't look
(10:53):
like the quarterback he was two years ago. I don't know.
It feels like he's still not in sync with the
play calling with the offense. But again, we're the layman,
you're the expert. What do you see with Jalen with
yet another new offense.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Well, that's part of the problem. This will be his
third offensive coordinator in the last three years. He had
He had success with Shane and then all of a sudden,
I forgot who came in last year. I think it
was his quarterback coach took over his offensive coordinator, and
now he's to another coordinator. So he's he's having to
learn and I think the coordinator's having to learn him
(11:29):
as well. What he does well. And one of the problems,
Doug is none of these guys play in the preseason,
so you have a new play caller come in, you
don't play much, you know, in games, and then all
of a sudden when the games start, now they want
you to be sharp, you know, like you've been playing
all preseason long, and you haven't, so they're learning on
the run. These are things, These are mistakes that he
(11:50):
should be making in preseason games. But he doesn't play
in the preseason, just like a lot of these other quarterbacks,
and I think it really affects them, you know, those
first two three games into the season, before they get there,
you know, their feet up underneath them. So that's part
of that's part of it. And then another thing I
see with Jaalen he's bailing too fast. He's bailing the
pocket sometimes too quickly. He's not letting the plays develop,
(12:14):
and he wants to take off and run, and that's
something he did in his first two years when he
was in Philadelphia. I want to see him get back
and sit in the pocket and let these plays develop,
read them out and throw the football as opposed to,
you know, trying to make everything happen with his feet.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
War Moon joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports. Right, of course, Warren's Hall of Famer
in the Nation Footall League Hall of Famer in the
Canadian Football League as well. Aaron Rodgers plays the Patriots
on Thursday. How you know, here's a guy who week
one didn't move like he used to move. Nobody does
them there for he's been coming off an achilles better
(12:52):
in game two. But again, I'm the nillame and you're
the expert. What have you seen from from Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, I think Aaron's just trying to get comfortable again.
You know, you got to remember he's only played up
coming into this season, you know, four plays in the
last two years because he was hurt all of last
year after the achilles injury. So it's been a while
before he's actually played a whole football game. And he
finally did that a couple of weeks ago, and he
got a little bit better this week. Uh, he's still
(13:19):
you know, learning, learning his players. Uh, he's still having
to learn the things he can and can't do from
the from the achilles. I'm sure what he feels comfortable
with and what he doesn't and all, and he's doing
all that in game time situation. So again, he's another
guy that didn't play during the preseason, so he's kind
of doing all this stuff. It's like on the job training.
You're you're you're playing a real game, still trying to
(13:41):
figure out what you do best, as opposed to maybe
doing getting that done during the preseason. So I blame
a lot of these coaches for for the slow starts
for all these offenses this year, because these guys didn't
get a chance to play or didn't want them to
play during the preseason. And that's why you see these
offenses behind. They're just not They're not in tune, they're
not playing with a lot of rhythm, and it takes
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it's going to take a couple of weeks for these
teams to really get up and going to the speed
that they want to get going at because they just
haven't played enough.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
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telling you. I hear that sound. I know you got
emails in return. We got bills we have to pay
coming in. You got emails coming in warning. You're the
best man. Let's catch up offline really soon.
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This is a great song. Sorry, if you're on the podcast, like,
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second Doug Gotlib Show Fox Sports Radio. You know, there's
this cottage industry of people who are important that when
something is reported or discussed they don't like they blame
(15:04):
the media, right, they blame the media. I mean, look,
let's just be honest. Donald Trump has said, like there's
a lot of reasons that I will never ever vote
for Donald Trump. Okay, and it's not physical policies. It's
like he has declared that the media is the enemy
of the state. Now, I'm like fully aware that, as
(15:26):
we've discussed on radio and on pod that, like, let's
be honest the media. You have networks that take sides
which is not representative of the media, but saying the
media is the enemy of the state when the media
is supposed to keep the state honest. Part of the
checks and balances, right, and again, you look at his history.
(15:47):
When things are reported and reported fairly, then it's the
media out to get them media enemy.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Of the state.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Right, He's not the only one. Other politicians do it,
other sports people do it. Other It's just the easiest
thing to do. Is when you don't like a story
that you're part of, you say the media of the media,
of the media. Okay, say the media of the media,
of the media, instead of simply stating your case. So
(16:20):
Dion Sanders is defending his own son in the media
or to the media. Here was a response yesterday from Prime.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
When I say I genuinely love these kids, I genuinely
really do. It's not about what they can do for
me on the football field, It's about what I can
help them with in life. Landscape has changed in football.
Once upon a time, you guys never attack college players.
Now they're making more money than y'all, and some of
y'all are envious and jealous about that. So you're on
the tech. It was hands off a college player because
(16:52):
he's an amate You remember remember that, guys, Now it's
hands on, go at them any kind of way.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
You won't.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
They're making more money than me, and I'm mad about it.
When you attack them, attack them, attacking them. These guys
are sensitive. They've never been attacks. They hadn't gone through
what a grown man would. I've been going through with
y'all for years. They haven't done that. So it is
what it is. I know you're going to do your
job and what you must do, but your job does
not say in attack the personal stuff. Leave it to
be personal, because we start flipping the script on y'all.
(17:18):
You wouldn't like it. Hecky, he's thank you Lord for
stopping me to day. Oh that was almost a good one.
That would have went varrol.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Okay. So the first thing is the premise that college
college kids are, you're not able to be critical of them.
And because you're getting personal, like, what do you mean? Okay,
(17:47):
there's no personal when it becomes a publicly discussed story.
And I don't believe by the way anybody's discussed one
of his sons gone through some bankruptcy and other like,
those questions aren't even asked. There are still things that
are off limits because they're college kids. But when you're
making the money. Shed Or Sanders is the highest paid,
reportedly highest paid college player in the country, you're telling
(18:09):
everybody he should be the number one pick in the
upcoming NFL draft. He's going to be viewed and judged differently,
and when his behavior isn't what most people think is
the type of behavior you want to represent your football
team and your university. You're the dad and the head coach.
You have to discuss that. But instead of discussing it,
or even you can defend your son. Hey, look, Colorado State,
(18:33):
they talk trash. I don't blame him for his response
to the other quarterback, but instead he doesn't make it
about the actual facts and details of the discussion. Instead
he makes it about the media of the media, the media.
It's a tired card. If you view something differently, if
you want us to look at it differently, especially somebody
(18:53):
who keep in mind. Deon Sandaer is a brilliant dude, Okay,
incredibly eloquent. So if he wants to defend how he
coaches his team, how he coaches his son, his son's behavior,
he can. He's well equipped. He's one of the most
articulate men to ever coach in college football. He's not
a dumb pe coach who became a head coach in
(19:16):
college He's not. But instead he does the thing which
I just despise, which is it's the media, the media,
the meeta, it's you, like, dude, stop I, and the
idea that the media is only reporting this way because
they're jealous of Shadore. Stop it, stop it. Come on, dude,
(19:36):
coach your team and you're either coaching it or allowing
it stuck. Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. He's
Daniel Jeremiah. He's an NFL analyst host to Move the
Sticks podcast, and he joins us and h DJ let
me let me let me ask you. You you called
the game. I've heard some of your commentary, and I
think it's just dead on accurate. You said the two
things you learned about the Chargers Panthers game is that
(20:01):
the Chargers are very physical team. And what about the Panthers.
Speaker 8 (20:05):
I said, the Panthers have the first pick in the
twenty five draft. I almost be pretty shocked if that
isn't the case. It's just not a it's not a
good roster. It's one of the worst that I've seen
since I got into the league in two thousand and three.
And you know, Bright just, you know, completely lost his confidence.
I almost thought not only was I not surprised that
move happened, you know, I I'm in agreement with it,
(20:28):
just because when your confidence is shot and can you
get to the point they can't. He couldn't complete a
bubble screen, and so I'm like, at some point in
time you kind of owe it to the rest of
the team say Okay, we gotta we got to try
something different here. So, yeah, it's a rough it's a
rough spot there in Carolina right now. But the other
side of that coin is, you know, Jim Marbo has
got the Chargers playing a very, very physical brand of football,
(20:51):
which is a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
No, I love it and it's everything. Like Jaysu and
I we we we just have had such a different
feeling and have confidence that we know it's going to
work on Someone doesn't make it super doesn't mean they
win a Super Bowl. I don't know. But they're confidently coached.
They have a plan. They're executing that plan, which is
groundbreaking considering what we've seen recently or in the last
(21:13):
while from the from the from the LA Charger. But
let's let's focus on Bryce young Day. Because you wear
multiple hats, analysts, you're also a former quarterback yourself and
your draft analyst. And I think the confidence element to
it is is a fascinating discussion because you can't even
figure out if he's ultimately good enough to be a
starting quarterback because he doesn't have his confidence. He had
(21:35):
no shot, no matter how strong his arm is. Okay,
So can he get his confidence back in Carolina?
Speaker 8 (21:43):
I don't think so in Carolina. I think, first of all,
I think he's going to be heavily dependent on his
support system, and I think they're you know, they might
be three years away from you know, building up the
support needed to support him. I mean, he can't be
a successful quarterback. He's just not gonna be one of
(22:03):
those guys that can do it with some parts here there.
He's gonna need the full deck, and you know, to
be ast. Tua was similar. You know, we saw to
a struggle and then they rapidly you know, improved the
roster around him, and that included not only the roster
but in the play caller. And when Tua you know,
had been you know healthy, Fortunately, during the time he
(22:24):
was healthy, you saw him a more than competent player.
I think Brightce could have the same type of success,
But I just I think that's that was lightning in
a bottle. The way that they did it. They're you know,
fixing the uh you know, the receiver room, the offensive line. Mean,
you go out and get Armstead, you go out and
get tyreek Kill, you get Waddle, you get an elite
play caller, like all those things happened, and then we
(22:46):
saw to a you know, play like a totally different quarterback.
I don't think they're going to be able to pull
that off in Carolina.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Okay, is the Jews worth the squeeze, meaning like, say,
you're a team out there, like, hey, we can get
him from nothing, and rehab him is even worth it
because end of the day, even if he's confident, he
ain't good enough.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
Yeah the ceiling, Yeah, this is the that's the rub, right,
And you know it's one of those things where you know,
I've got to do my own evaluation of uh, you know, hey,
I I bought in on him and the accuracy, the
decision making, the poise, the toughness, and that is one
thing about him. He is very tough. He's not a
big guy, but he's very tough. And so I you know,
(23:29):
in hindsight, you still have to factor in all those
other physical traits and capabilities which you're going to limit
your ceiling. And that's why you see the list of
guys who've gone on in other places to have success
with Sam and Baker and Gino Golf, you know, even
Golf having that second run in the with the Rams
once once they changed coaches. Those guys just had a
(23:52):
different level of physical ability that Bryce doesn't have. Even look,
I don't know, you know, odds are Zach Wilson's probab
never going to be it. You're never going to be
a starting quarterback or quality starting quarterback. But Sean Payton
was willing to roll the dice on him because he's
still got an explosive, explosive arm and as a plus
plus athlete. So I think you'll see teams a little
(24:13):
more willing to, you know, try and you know, resurface
one of these guys when they have a little bit
more upside with this one. It'll be a little more challenging.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Doug Gottlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio, what did
you think of why the Eagles lost that game?
Speaker 8 (24:33):
Well, I mean, here's the one thing that I'll say
about the end of the game. But everybody just focuses
on the end of the game. I think there's other
things throughout the game that you could say they missed
their opportunities. Maybe a little too aggressive early, but at
the end of the game. You know how many times
under the era we're in right now with which is
still the after effects of the Belichick Sapan era, even
though they're both out right now, and how many times
(24:55):
have we had it beaten into us. It's the process,
it's not the result. It's the process. The process, well,
that final play, the process was the right process. When
you look at the standpoint, the guy's wide open, he's
he's got a track record having excellent hands, the ball
is perfectly thrown, and it just it didn't work out.
So we can, you know, we can crush him on
(25:16):
the result, but I actually think the process was was
understandable while I looked at it.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, I agree.
I agree the process is fine. I think part of
it is. And and that pass was not Jalen's fault.
The interception was. And I know we're on a new offense.
I know the offense the play calling wasn't great last year,
but this is something I've discussed with a lot of
people in the NFL. Like, I get he had that
(25:45):
great season. Hey, that's I'm not saying it's a fluke, Okay,
but if the year before he had the MVP year,
people were wondering do you stick with him or do
you draft somebody? You don't go from an average to
above average NFL quarterback or a young average NFL quarterback
to being the best player in the league, Okay, and
(26:06):
then you regress towards being an average to above average
NFL quarterback. Like the outlier is the great year, not
the rest? Am I am I wrong? Like we are
we evaluating Jalen on an unfair scale because that one
year was in fact the outlier and this is really
more of who he is.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
Well, I think, you know, we got to get through
more of this season. But I think if we get
to the end of this year and it looks up
and down as we've seen early on here, then I
think then you have a fair point. You know, I've
seen guys who've started out mediocre and then it's clicked.
Drew Brees a great example of that. You know, Ben,
before he hurt the shoulder, the light had started to
come on there, and he was playing well in the
(26:47):
what third or fourth year, So I've seen guys make
that step, but it's not often you see him take
that positive step and then regress multiple years. So I
think this is a big year for him. I think
it's a big, you know, prove it stage. I think
they've had they've had the benefit of having, you know,
the number one or number two offensive line in the NFL,
(27:09):
and I think right now maybe it's the number you know,
eight to ten range offensive line, but it can life
a little bit easier on you prominent because they've been
upfront in the past, and I don't know that they're
quite at that same level right now as they used
to be.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Okay, Aaron Rodgers, does he still have it?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Well?
Speaker 8 (27:35):
Not what he was? No, I mean, I don't think
he's ever going to be what he was, and then
you already started to see the slippage towards the end
of his time in Green Bay. So I don't think
he's going to have a Tom Brady esque, you know,
finish in the early forties where Tom had some of
his best years, including a Super Bowl. But I think
this team is equipped to not need him to do that. Defensively,
(27:56):
I haven't played up to their level, their standard, but
talent wise, still in great shape. If they can get
some more. They need some guys to step up around
Garrett Wilson and Brief Hall, and you saw it a
little bit with Braylen Allen last week. That's a good
sign for them. But I think, you know, can Aaron
be a decision making caretaker who with the occasional you know, nice,
(28:17):
you know, exceptional throw. Yes, but I don't think this
is going to be the old days where everything runs
exactly to Aaron's right arm and they're gonna, you know,
he's gonna lift them up to a Super Bowl. I
don't think that's how I don't think that's how they're built,
and I don't think that's how he's you know, playing.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
At the moment, I'm fascinated by the Cowboys. I don't
Maybe maybe it's just we need to talk about the Saints,
but I don't know how the Cowboys just get drug
like that by the Saints at their place. What's wrong
in Big d Well?
Speaker 8 (28:47):
You know, the Cowboys played much better that first week,
and then this week they they ran into Clint Kubiak,
who has done a really nice job creatively. I think
it's going to take a minute for everybody to figure
out what they're doing on an adjust to what they're
doing with some of just the eye candy and misdirection
stuff they were doing in that game with Polers that
mess with the linebackers to the Cowboys and got them
(29:10):
at a position mess mess with their eyes in a
big way. I was like, you, Doug from the thought
process when I went in to watch that tape, was like,
holy crap, how are the Cowboys this bat on defense?
After what we saw the week before? And then after
I watched it, I was like, you know what, this
is some creative fun stuff that they're doing with the
Saints right now, and they just.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
So is it again? It's hard. We don't have a
video screen. Whatever you think, Kubiak, you think Shanahan's you know,
Shanahan offense right because his dad was Shanahan offense guy, right,
Like that's he's a convert of that. You know, Kyle
obviously used to coach you know, under his under his
dad as well. Like it's all kind of related. Is
it a different version of what so many other teams
(29:54):
are doing with that offense?
Speaker 8 (29:56):
I think it's you know, if you look at Mike McDaniel,
who came under that tree, right, But then you watch
some of the stuff he was doing in Miami, which
was just he was known for what he did in
the run game creativity wise, and building off of that system,
and I think that Kubiak kind of taking a different
branch with some other creative stuff that he's doing, just
with with different combinations of pollers and and angles that
(30:20):
they're using in the run game. And then the Shanahan
scheme has always been really good in the screen game.
And uh, I mean, that's that could be a long
discussion if you get somebody on here that's uh, you know,
that's really versed, well versed in offensive football with the coaching.
From the coaching side of things, there are teams that
are excellent screen teams and everybody's oh, you can all
(30:40):
run the same place. No, no, no, that that how you
teach that is incredibly important and there are some that
are very good at it. And then you can watch
like the Bears the other day, they are not at
this point time and Caleb's young, but they're they're timing
on screens was awful. But that's something that you have
to really spend a lot of time on and they
clearly have done that.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
In oraland Stut Gottlieb Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio,
Daniel Jeremiah's is our guest DJ. I'm I'm apologizing, but
not apologizing right, just I want to get one more
out of you. I watched Anthony Richardson and there's two
parts to it. I don't think he's an NFL quarterback
because he's so inaccurate and he doesn't see it. On
(31:20):
the other hand, Shane Staken's not running him a ton.
They're not running him nearly like when he was in Philly.
He ran Jalen Hurts a bunch. The only way it
works is if you run him. Did they have PTSD
because of the Andrew Luck thing? Like, why aren't they
running him more?
Speaker 8 (31:37):
I think it was because he got hurt last year,
you know, And eventually, you know, that's you got to
roll the dice and realize that we have got to
win games. And maybe the hope is that a couple
of years from now we can take a little of
that office plate and we can ask him to play
a little more, you know, pocket quarterback. But right now,
(31:58):
in order for them to win games. He has to
be a part of the run game, has to and
this season, I know, you know a lot of a
lot of teams don't play guys in preseason, and we
use these first couple of weeks to kind of find
your footing. But we lose one or two more of
these things. Your season's coast. So you can't afford to
go oh and three, oh and four. And to me,
(32:19):
I don't know how they get to the winner circle
without him being more impactful in the run game. He
has to.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Agreed. Agreed, DJ, you the best, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 8 (32:29):
Thanks Bydy.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
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Speaker 7 (32:57):
It really is like one of the more underrated bands
as far as the mark that they made on music.
They were a punk band that had a much more
significant impact on the on the eighties than I think
most people want to give a credit for an amazing band,
The Clash.
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Let's get to the press, the press, Dan b What
(33:38):
do you got, my friends?
Speaker 5 (33:39):
Kind of the big news of the day that NBA
insider Adrian Warzanowski's worked for ESPN the last seven years,
did work for Fox previously at one point, and other
entities as well, announced he's retiring from the Insider Game
to become the general manager of the Saint Bonavstre men's
basketball program.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Well, he's got a passion for his alma mater, I
get it. I also just wonder if he's just tired
of being on his cell phone all the time, right, Like,
I'm on my cell phone way too much even before
I got this job. Now, with this job, you're on
it all the time, and nobody's on as much as
those insiders. But he didn't create the cottage industry. But
(34:23):
he created the WOJ bomb because he had the bigger,
biggest of big stories in basketball. He's a friend of mine.
I respect him a ton, and walking away from the
cottage industry you kind of created is pretty amazing.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
I still think, and I'm maybe biased, I still think
Jay Glazer is the greatest insider of all time.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Okay, Jay's deal is he only does huge stories.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Yeah, and it doesn't do much of it anymore. But
he had the stories before anybody did. And when you
you will see a lot of insiders, Rapaport, Schefter, those guys,
they have the same story within seconds of each other. Yeah, yeah, yes,
yes for the most part.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yes, yes, yes, yes. I think he had the woes,
had the big, big, big big ones, and Jay Glazier
has the big, big big ones. Yes, but Jay's, but
the volume of Jays have cut down substantially. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Last, he's kind of out of the games, not necessarily.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I think he saves it for TV. Sure, you know,
which is hard because it's a limited window. What do
you say, Jase two, I.
Speaker 7 (35:40):
Was just saying that the guy walks away from what
seven figures, Well, he walks away from being the top
of his game. He's got all those contacts on his phone.
I mean, this is amazing. I think it's an amazing
like shifting career.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, it's it's called the it's called pivoting.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
So what are is duties going to be?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Then? So yeah, I think GM you do all this
stuff that we don't want to do as coaches. You
got to watch all these other games. Connect. So here
here's what they do. Connect with agents. Okay, because the
agent represent players who can get guys in. And then
I'm sure he'll have some responsibilit in terms of raising
money as well and kind of organizing help organizing their NIL.
(36:22):
But really it's used those connections with agents to help
them get players. I'm not sure it matters though if
you don't have the money at Saint Bonaventure. But again
that he'll basically be watching, communicating with anybody not who's
not the players, about guys that can be in the
portal for years to come, try to line up the roster,
and I'm guessing also work with their collective and work
(36:43):
with their coach on their NIL currently the NIL for
the future and managing that budget and raising more money
for the budget.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
The NFL says. Overall viewership numbers to the first two
weeks of this season are up twelve percent from last year.
I don't know what the difference would be, but up
twelve percent.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I don't know. People just love watching sports, man. I've
been waiting for it, and when it came, is finally there.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
That's the press.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
They get out there and press.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
That was the press.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
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