HR 2: The Patriots Dynasty Is NOT Over

Doug argues the Patriots dynasty is not over yet! Plus, he talks to Former NFL Scout John Middlekauff about Carson Wentz and if the criticism he's received is fair.

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Tug got Leave Show? Fox Sports Radio? What do you
like covering better? The Rise of the Fall? Um? Do
you guys know who are bosses? At my heart? Do
you know this? This is a great story? Do you guys?

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Do you guys know any of this? So? Um? God,
do you remember behind the music? Do you guys? Do
you guys remember that? You guys remember the behind them
musics on VH one? Okay, um, this is this is
interesting to me. So I'm looking at the I'm looking

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at the New England Patriots, and the New England Patriots
are a dynasty, which I think a lot of people,
a lot of people are enjoying the fact that they're
bad this year. They're just not a good football team.
They're not a talented football team. And because of it,

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you know, because of it, there are people that are
saying the dynasty is dead, it's over, and it won't
ever come back, right, And I'm thinking about Dynasti's in
sports and what happened to these and how it happened,
and and then I was thinking, is there a way?

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Is there a way in which the dynasty returns? Okay,
what are your rules for a dynasty? By or do
you have a rule for a dynasty? Or Ryan Music?
Do you have a rule for a dynasty? Because I
have my own kind of set of rules, but what
are your rules for a dynasty? Dan buyer Um consistency
with those within the organization or team, meaning that there's

(02:23):
got to be either you know, one coach, a group
of players, and uh, multiple championships over an extended period
of time. Okay, Um, what about you? Ryan Music? Yeah,
I would mostly agree with Dan Um. I would say,
in order to be a dynasty, you probably have to
win to likely three championship. You have to win back

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to back. No, you don't have to win back to back.
But what you can't do is like I struggle to
call the San Francisco Giants a dynasty because they won
three and five years, but then like in between there
they straight up missed the playoffs. So it's kind of
hard be considered dynasty when you go from winning to
not even being in contention anymore. Yeah, I would say, well,
it's hard because they won three. I would say, like,

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are the what about the Dodgers where they only won one?
But they've won what eight straight division titles? Is that right? Ramos?
I think eighth straight? Not correct? Okay, are they more
of a dynasty to you? No, because they've only I
mean it's hard to say. I don't know, you wanted
to consider the Astros thing, but you know, technically they
only won one World Series. I wouldn't really consider them.
But they've been did three World Series and they've dominated

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the buy or where would you go into it? Well,
it's funny because I actually would probably give more credit
for a dynasty that is spread out over like, say,
three titles over seven years, when the four years you
weren't maybe you're you're still competitive, you're in the thick
of it, as opposed to just like a three year
run that just came and went like the The consistency

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of greatness to me over a five year or more
span is what I would I would consider Okay, five
year more so, does do the Giants get under that? Yeah?
I probably. I would probably say no because I don't
think that they were. They weren't in those two seasons
that they didn't make it. Do they even make the
postseason during those No? He said, right, Sorry, Yeah I

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missed that part. Okay, Spurs of dynasty, I didn't win
back to back? Did win all those titles? Yes? Okay,
I'm I I agree with you Lakers in the eighties
dynasty four NBA titles. Agree with you, Uh, Chicago Bulls
of dynasty. I think all of us agree that I
was nothing on their head. Um, I'm trying to think
of in football, the only dynasty would be the Patriots.

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I can't think of. The Niners would be the other
dynast That's actually what I was gonna say, Niners of dynasty.
But but we we Cowboys when they won three Super
Bowls of dynasty. It's very close. But I would consider
more of what San Francisco did as the dynasty. Yeah,
I would. Even I would to even put Washington, Will

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you win three super Bowls? Three different quarterbacks? Like that
whole stretch, because Washington was never awful. I think during
that time either. But uh okay, I think I think
the Warriors Dynasty will. I think they got a great
shot of it returning. And I also think the Patriots
have a great shout at returning. I bring up Behind

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the Music because that's what this reminds me of. A
gentleman named Bob Pittman. I don't know if you guys know,
he's actually our boss. Boss like when you do the
pyramid where you do the who's at the top, He's
at the top of I Heart Media and I Heart
is a gigantic media company um FM radio stations. Obviously

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concerts which right now you can't have award shows and
we're we're premier networks. Were a piece of the I
Heart family. Bob Bittman is the very top and he
was the creator. He was the guy who came up
with this idea back in the day v H one
Behind the Music and they are fascinating, fascinating it's and

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now they're available I think in podcast form as well
with the If you download the I Heart Radio Apple
you can listen to our show as well, and I
download our podcast and Behind the Musics are all the same.
And then the last part is all different, whether you're
trying to either get the band back together or reform yourself.
It's like the Beach Boys still tour. They're not the

(06:29):
same beach Boys, but they're the beach boys I look
at I look at the Patriots. This is what Bill
Belichick said earlier today when he was asked about the
team's recent draft picks. The most important thing to me
is winning games. And I'm not going to apologize for
our record over the last twenty years. I've seen a
lot worse. So ultimately, try to put the best team

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on the field that we can to be competitive, and
I don't really see that changing. So whoever those players are, aren't.
That's the responsibility I feel to the team as the
competition plays itself out and the better players play, whoever
they are. Yeah, it's pretty interesting, you know, like Kyle
dugger As who was a second round pick of him
people absolutely love and I think part of um, you know,

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you know, part of what they've been able to do
is they've been they gotta I think the guard they
have is Michael on Waynus, a kid from Michigan who's
playing a ton for them, you know, and you you
go back to previous drafts, and everybody points out that
Nikkill Harry was bad last year as a rookie, and
you see how many rookie wide receivers are having a

(07:36):
big impact this year. Harry has been better this year.
But it's like we don't give them any credit. Isaiah
Winn was a tackle they took at the twenty third
spot and he's been outstanding. They've drafted well in the
our interior lines. They just no team can sustain the
number of First of all, they had eight opt outs.
We have no idea what the Patriots would look like

(07:58):
if they didn't have those doubts. You know they had
in the conversation of the best defense in the league
last year. They struggle with Lamar Jackson with that style,
but outside of that, they the defense kept them in games.
It was the offense and the skill position players. And
they drafted well in the line, you know, two of

(08:18):
the last three years. And yes, they would be better
if they had Quite honestly, they would be better if
they had Tom Brady. I think, I don't think any
anybody would argue otherwise. But they're right there. They're going
to have I think the third most cap space in
the upcoming off season. Uh, my guests would be not

(08:43):
only will they have their first high draft pick, it's
not just that they didn't draft high in the first round.
I go go back and look, and I know they've
traded out of first round picks. But like people want
to say, oh, well to kill Harry, like he was
the thirty second pick of the draft, would you rather
have DK Metcalf? Sure, sure, absolutely a DK Metcalf. But

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everybody missed on DK Metcalf. Everybody thought he was David Boston,
you know that look good in the mirror flexing, but
was too stiff in the hips. People missed on him,
and Nikkill Harry is not as good as DK Metcalf.
Now he does have I think, uh, he's having a
good he's having a decent year this year with nineteen
catches already in one touchdown reception, and he's playing in

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an offense where you don't have a quarterback who's storing
times a game the way that some other guys have him.
But when you draft at the bottom of every round
of the draft for two decades, yeah, you're draft is
a little bit harder. You know, you have a little
bit harder. So I look at it and think it's

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so much better for them to be bad, and the
competitiveness of Bill Belichick gets the best of them. They
beat the Jets on Monday night, and they probably shouldn't
beaten the Jets on Monday night in order to help.
But they're gonna have money to spend. They'll have draft picks,
and they've actually drafted pretty well on their interior lines
both offensive defense and I don't know what happens with
Dante Hi Tower with Patrick Chung, but when if they return,

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that's a good defense again. So what with the era?
The Brady era of the dynasty is quite obviously over,
but the difference in other dynasties like the Spurs. Like
the Spurs, Tim Duncan retired, mountag You nobly retired, Tony
Parker retired, and obviously Quiet Letard wanting out. But the

(10:37):
thing that's gonna hurt the Spurs probably the most is
at some point Great Pop Fitch is gonna retire. You
know what led to the Cowboys downfall? Yes, the concussions
to Michael Irvin, the concussions to Troy Aikman, but also
the coaching change where Parsity where where Um Jimmy Johnson
couldn't take it, and so he only won two of

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the three championships. The coaching, the leadership absolutely matters. I mean,
that's what happened in San Francisco. George Sefer was a
really good coach, brilliant guy. He was not Bill Walsh,
who's widely considered, along with Bill Parcelsos, the two greatest
coaches before Bill Belichick in the history of modern football.

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If you have the same coach, if you have the
right leadership, if you have the right plan, you can
rebuild it. That's what the Warriors are planning on. They
had a year to press reset, but they kept Steve
Kerr and they kept their core and they'll try and
figure out everything else around it. Look, it ain't easy

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to find another star quarterback the Dolphins. If two is
the guy, it's been since that they've been searching. That
is thirty years since Dan Marino. All Right, the Bills
and Josh Allen. This is the first guy who gives
them true hope since Jim Kelly again early nineties. We're

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talking twenty five years, and they were a dynamic offense.
It's hard to find a dude like what the Packers
have done most people can't do. I mean, how the
Bears haven't had Jim McMahon was was the the ego
and the personality was big, but it wasn't like an
all time great quarterback. Bears have never had one ever.

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Go back and look, Bears fans like, you know, you're right, sucks.
You know, Cutler had freaky talent, just nobody liked him.
That's part of it. Life is a little bit of
a popularity contest. You know, the Vikings have had talented quarterbacks,
Rando cutting him and Dante called Pepper and you know,

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you kind of go back through kind of the list,
nail some Warren Moon. They've had lots of guys that
were really good. They've always had kind of missing something.
Part of it is our trival has had the superstar
quarterback and they've had good quarterbacks. That's really the difference
in the Vikings and the Packers. So I dynasties are interesting,

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and yes that part of the Patriots dynasty is over,
but I I mean, look, Bill Belichick finds a way
to win games. He's found a way to get guys
off the scrap heap. He's drafted better outside of wide
receiver than he's given credit for, so just to guess,

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I don't think the dynasty is over. I think this
is a pause and a reboot. The Ravens went through
it when um when uh am I forgetting he joined us?
Sometimes no, and not Bill the Ravens, Brian Billick, Brian Billick.
When Brian Billick, they were capped out and they kind

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of shed that roster after the two thousand team, and
the problem was they selected the wrong quarterback and they
hadn't been able to kind of get out of it.
But leadership in the front office, leadership in the coaching staff,
that's what allows you to hang around for a long time.
Those great football guys are great football guys, and they
just kind of figure it out. That's what Ozzie Newsome

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is the reason that the Ravens were so good for
so long. Bill Belichick is the reason the biggest reason
the Patriots are so good for so long. Yes, and
Tom Brady and I think when that leadership remains, you
got a great shot of rebuild that thing. John Middlekoff
is gonna join us up coming next we'll ask him
if he thinks the Patriots are dead or just dormant

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for a year. Does last Night change all of our
opinion of the Colts and their ceiling with Philip Rivers?
Was Lamar Jackson wrong? Is a Greg Romans offense? Or
is Lamar Jackson just limited? Like? Wait, do you know
what Lamar Jackson said about Romans offense? Will play before
you see what Middlecoff thinks? And uh, why does everybody

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ESPN want to run Carson Wentz out of town? Well last,
John Middlecoff, He'll don't join us next be sure to
catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays
at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the I Heart Radio w app Let me
get to John Middlecoff who joins us. John is a
degenerate gambler and a former I'm kidding well sort of, uh,

(15:22):
former NFL scout, of course, hosted Three and Out podcast
and the Heard podcast Network. Who did you like today
in the Daily Gulf? I'm gonna go with Dustin. I
think Dustin is poised to to win the tournament and
degenerate gambler would be strong. A gambler would be I
think a fair way to have you ever been on

(15:43):
a preseason supporting event I'm not women's supporting event. Uh no, okay, okay,
Wait when you when you go to Vegas, are you
somebody who tells yourself, I'm walking away and all you
do is walk back to the A T M. I've
gotten a lot better as I've gotten I mean in
my twenties, for sure. I mean, now you know and

(16:05):
as you mature in your thirty seven dollars to take
something out of the A T M. Okay, sure, I'll
do that. Well, the first time you learn what a
what a cash advance from your credit card is usually
in your early twenties, when you have no money. Yeah, okay,
so you you like you like DJ thoughts on Tiger
He's yesterday he was a picture of consistency, no no bogies.

(16:27):
Right now he's in the sand. It's fastening. Of all
the sporting events to watch, of all the people to watch,
Tiger Woods with no gallery is probably the most fastating,
right because you always wonder does it help him, does
it hurt him? Does it help his opponents? Does it
hurt an opponents? Because there's nothing like a tiger roar,
by the way, pretty good out out of that of

(16:47):
that sand. He's got a shot for for par um,
like when when you're watching Tiger Way thing. Yeah, I
mean I I've seen him live several times even uh
several times in his peak like pre two eight. Uh,
I'd say Thursday and Friday at an event like this
has that has little to no impact, but like last

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year's Saturday Sunday, it has a massive impact. So if
he's in the mix, I think Phil Mickelson would be
a guy too. I mean, those guys are beloved at
this place, and if you have eight championships between the
two of them, uh, it would help them out a lot.
And I think it really benefits And you saw it
when Harding Park the PGA Championship. Mark Cowell wanted he
didn't make the cut and he's not going to is

(17:29):
to meet the young guys. There is a pressure. I
don't care in what sport you play, when you have
people looking at you. You know, you can say, oh,
they're ten million people watching, yeah, but you don't feel
it that there's something about the people staring right at you,
especially in golf when they're literally right there and the masters.
You know, I've never been there, but it's got to
be an eerie feeling. If you're a young player in

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the mix comes Saturday and Sunday and a guy like
Tigers on the Prowl Doug Gotli show here on Fox
Sport Trail. Let's get the football. Um. Look, I thought
Philip Rivers play well last night, but that was the
collapse of the Titans Special teams. Uh it was. It
was almost Chargers like right, Like, I mean, you got
shank punt touchdown, block punt touchdown, missfield goal, touchdown, game over.

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I don't want to take away from Philip Rivers playing
well after all of us, you know, declaring him dead
as a quarterback, but the story was the Titan Special
teams was not. Yeah, I completely agree. I mean I
just think the when you look at the two teams,
the Cult's identity of just being a lights out defense
and that front seven right there with Tampa probably the

(18:37):
best in the league, is just going to translate to
every game. So when they're on and then the special
teams make plays as long as Philip doesn't throw a
pick that they're gonna beat most people they play. I
think the problem you see with Indie is like if
they win the division and you know, it's like they
played I know they won that game. You know, you
look at the final score it did. It wasn't quite
I wouldn't call it a blowout really until the you

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know one special teams kind of took over. I just
think they're ceiling is so limited because how are they
going to score with Philip, especially if they have to
play outdoor games, you know that past the first round,
because their team, if they had peak Philip rivers just
like five or six years ago or hell, just the
way he was playing. Remember when they upset the Chiefs
on that Thursday night, they would be you know, a

(19:19):
legitimate I think Super Bowl contender. But I it's just
hard for me to trust him in his arm as
the season goes on, because I do think they are.
They're definitely better than Tennessee. I mean Tennessee just has
their secondaries terrible, uh clowney kind of tries when they're
when they're playing in prime time. But other than that,
he disappears. They're very dependent on Henry. Like Henry had

(19:41):
a good game. You look at the box story had
over a hundred yards, but a hundred yards doesn't do
it for them. They need like a hundred seventy to
be good. Right, and in Tanny Hill when he's off,
they really have no chance. I've decided here's what I
decided about running back long term second contracts. It's it's
the guy, the guy who convinces themselves that the they
did the right thing giving Christian McCaffrey the money, and

(20:02):
I thought it was the right thing at the time.
Um was is the guy convincing themselves that I have
the one car that's not going to depreciate as an asset.
Everybody else has cars that depreciate, but not my car.
You know, I bought it. I bought it pre owned
about it, pre owned some somebody already, somebody already drove
some of that cost off, and I got a deal

(20:23):
on it. I got a demo car, so it's seven
thousand less than than Sticker. I somehow I have smarted
people when the truth is everybody knows it. Even Dalvin Cook,
as good as he is, like it'll fade too quickly
or he'll get hurt, because that's what happens with all
of them. I think the hardest part is is when
you're living in it and you've drafted him and you're
around the guy, you go, God, the guy is so

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good because like their second third year is kind of
sometimes the peak of these guys NFL lives. The problem
is they take so many hits in that position. You
know sometimes either the fourth or the fifth year, you
saw it was Zeke, you just fall off a cliff. Now,
I think you'd look and go, well, comal Ra and
Cook are fantastic and right now in the moment, that's true,

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but we've seen Cook be banged up before. Alvin is
just a smaller player. So luckily they use them really
more in the receiving game, and they do as a
true between the tackles running back. But if either one
of those guys gets hurt over the next twenty games,
it's crippling. And especially because you can their backup can
just function to somewhat of a level. We've seen it

(21:24):
before with Cook and the kid. They have the backup
the boys and stake guy Madson, So I you know,
McCaffrey's already banged up. Zeke's falling off a cliff. Running
Back is probably my favorite position beside quarterback. I just
think it encompasses everything in the sport. Blocking you gotta
run between outside the tackles. Now you've got to catch
the football. It literally asks everything of a player. So

(21:44):
I have nothing but respect for the position. But man,
it's just most teams, I'd say, basically every team in
recent memory has got burned immediately. And yeah, it feels
like the moment you signed the contract, the diminishing returns
and you lose the value pretty quickly. Gotlip show here
on Fox Sports Radio. John middle Coffee is our guest.
Three out is the podcast Let me play for you

(22:07):
what Lamar Jackson said. So, Lamar Jackson was on the
Rich Eisen Show, Okay and Richards and and one of
the things I defended Lamar about is generally he said
the right thing at every press conference, in every interview,
and and he said this to rich eyes and take
a listen. I feel, Um, you know, it's it's a
lot of it's a lot of with schemes. You know,

(22:29):
we're going to get defenses, Um they're calling out out
of play stuff like that, Like you know, we're doing
so a lot of that. You know, sometimes you know,
stuff won't go away to the points, so you're you're
hearing on the other side of the line of scrimmage
the defense calling out your place. Definitely like run stuff
like that, watch out for this, watch out for that.
Sometimes that's what's going on. What are your thoughts? I

(22:54):
think it is just so much easier as a defensive schemer,
if I'm a defensive coordinator, the more and more information
is is historically true, especially with this coordinator, to figure
out the run game, because there are only so many
options in the run game. Right, you're either running off
tackle left, off tackle right, and with them they run
kind of that outside kind of option type play and

(23:15):
you can run it up the middle like you're you're
kind of limited. Once you give it to the running back.
You can only do so much. Where if I'm playing
Sean Payton or r Andy Reid and it's a very
passing game oriented operation or Seattle, there's so many different
routes and there are three or four players running those routes,
so you might know one guy's route, but you're not
gonna know everyone. The run game, to me, is easier

(23:36):
to predict. I I think what he's saying is kind
of honest. We have a running based offense. I mean,
he didn't say that, but we all know it's true.
And these guys know our run game, so they go
I dare you to be like, we know what gaps
to fill. The more and more information I have on
a team that runs, you know, running based offense, I'm
gonna plug those gaps and force you to pass. Because
no matter how much I study in the passing game,

(23:58):
I'm still gonna be pretty much reacting to a lot
of the passing game. Look at Andy Reid, He's been
quote unquote running the passing game for twenty plus years.
He could constantly, constantly throw different wrinkles in there. What
can you really do in the run game, right? I mean,
there's there's only so much, but there's there's a couple
of different levels to it, okay, and and there's the
let's the reality of two twenty is And I talked

(24:19):
to an NFL GM last week and he's like, look,
I think it's way these One of the reasons the
rookie quarterbacks are doing better is that you don't have
the crowds, right, and a lot of these rookies like
they can they can hear the calls, they can hear
the audibles, you can yell to them from the sidelines,
you can coach him better, Like it's the assimilation is easier,
so I do think that some of some of what
he's saying is just the reality of they're probably always

(24:40):
been yelling out what they think he's doing. Now you
can just hear it better. But that there there's a
certain lack of accountability to it, right, Like I gotta
be better, they gotta they think they know what we're doing.
I gotta look to to audibleize and get out of
it if I think they know what they're doing. It
feels like what he's saying is, Hey, our scheme is

(25:01):
too simple and it's not my fault that we can't
be as good an offense as we used to be,
and Greg Roman's gotta fix figure out how to not
be so simple. That's what it feels like to me,
where he's always said the right thing instead of Hey,
I just gotta get better. I gotta figure it out.
We gotta get better as a team. Again. I know
that's more of the cliche thing, but isn't there a

(25:22):
little bit of lack an accountability there? Yeah? I mean,
what's it called spade a spade? What he should be
saying is my limitations in the passing game limit what
we can run on. Right, don't you think that Greg
Roman would would run a more diverse passing offense if
you think his quarter thought his quarterback could run a
more diverse passing offense. Well, if people forget now, but
back in two thousands and definitely two thousand four, teens

(25:45):
tried to They tried to go spread, you know, like
you would see what the Chiefs do, what Saints do
you know, four or five wide? And they could not
do it with right, Yeah, And I think it's fair
to say now Lamar the difference, Like Lamar is probably
more accurate than Colins, but he doesn't have him as
explosive as an arm and I just don't think they
think he can run that. Plus his best actualute, by

(26:05):
far is running around. And this gets back to what
probably guys like me and you said two and a
half three years ago that like, I just bet against
this guy, this type player. Now in the short term,
last year, it's like, yeah, he won the m v P,
but then what happened in the first round of the playoffs.
He got throttled because they take away the run force
in the past, and every good team and big game
he's played lately, they have no shot and just big

(26:27):
picture now their offense is just regressing because even the
average defenses now can the run game scheme and the
run game film. Like, once you get twenty plus games
of what you're doing, you can only do so much.
Like once you hand it to Ingram or Dobbins, he's
either going left or right. But if you've got three
or four wide receivers, it's so much easier to keep
him off balance. But the reality is Calamar do that

(26:50):
because I would seem like the coaches don't believe you can, right, Yeah,
I I tend to believe now like they would. They're
trying to put him in a position to succeed. Um,
and it's a it's a Lamar thing now running quarterbacks
like Kyler's running quarterback. They spread it out and thrown
around right me, it's the Lebron s or it's a
Lamar specific thing. Doug gotlic show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um,

(27:14):
I used to work at the other place for a
long time, and I don't know. I feel like they
keep trying to run Carson, Like, tell me Carson Wentz
stinks and I did he played poorly at times early
the season. Yes, I think he's played pretty well, and
especially considering who he's playing with. You watch tape differently
as a guy who's been in this league. What do

(27:36):
you see when you see Carson Wentz right now? Yeah,
I mean, I I think people just so live in
the moment. I mean he's had some bad games. He's
definitely had some bad moments. I mean his turnovers. He
had a stretch there and mean still up until like
last week where it was just a little out of control.
But part of it was like he's playing with the
full line of backups. Every like week it gets tweeted
out all the starters, you know, when when the season started,

(27:58):
all crossed out. It's all the backups on the field.
I think I heard someone on Coward Show the last
couple of weeks the leading one of the leading receivers
in the leak since week four is that Fulghum guy.
I do this for a living. I had never heard
of the guy. Well, of course now he's from Old Dominion.
So the guys they were depending on, al Seandshan zach Ertz,
these guys have all been injured and not even on
the field. Even they're running back they drafted last year

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in the second round has been injured. Now does he
kind of take on the hero ball syndrome too much.
But but I also think that comes with the territory.
When you're playing with three or four practice squad guys
like that, when I pay you thirty million dollars, sometimes
you gotta be a hero. And it just hasn't worked,
and he's made some poor throws. But sometimes when a
guy throws a pick for us sitting on the couch,

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we just got it's quarterback man, and the coach the
next day will tell you, well that that was on
the wide receiver. He ran the rount. We practiced this,
the guy went to the wrong spot. So it's it's
easy to say, you know, it's always on the quarterback
when that's just not true. I also think people just
need to take a step back, take a deep breath.
Like the majority of the league would take the guy

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in a heartbeat. Uh, you know, he's just he's a
younger quote unquote player, you know, just in terms of experience.
He was only what a two year starter in college. Remember,
he got injured, so he didn't even play really that
much of a senior year, and then he's had multiple
injuries in the pros that's kind of limited his time like,
it's not like he's been playing like he's like a
ten year starter. I mean, look at Philip Rivers a
good example, like seven eight years into his career. Remember

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he had that terrible stress. Like guys have rough stretches
for whatever reason. Sometimes it's on them, sometimes on their teammates.
I would not like sell my stock in Carson Wentz.
Now do I think it's like, uh, when I put
it in concrete, the guys just headed to the Hall
of Fames. Probably not, But I think he can be
a really good player in this league still for a while,
really quickly. Let me put in your scout hat. Uh.

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DJ Loga, the kid from Clemson who's the freshman. Like, look,
I love Trevor Lawrence. Everybody says he's the next Andrew
Luck And you and I were texting during a game
like are we sure we love Drew Trevor Lawrence. Then
he made a couple of throws like okay, my bad,
sorry about that middle cough Just just okay. But when
when you see DJ play, what are your thoughts on

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him as a prospect? Yeah, I mean just elite. I
mean I mean unless something screws up, which I don't
see how it's gonna happen in that program. He's going
to be the number one overall pick, you know, in
two or three years whenever he chooses the earliest he
can come out, if that's what he so chooses. I mean,
he's like, you know, he looks like Big Ben already
and he's eighteen years old. His arm is a howitzer, right.

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I mean you text me like, what's up with Trevor Lawrence?
Because sometimes his arm You're like, uh, I don't really
see it, and I'm with you, But this the guy
when he let it rip, You're like, my god, you know,
I mean, this guy is a five. You know, this
guy was a basketball player. He bes ion right or
a d or just you know whoever that guy would
be right, does does his does his dad? Because I

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heard this about I heard this about tah where you know,
when you're Hawaiian or when you're Simoan, Like, those are
big bone dudes, right, big bone dudes. Does that give
you pause at all in terms of what he'll look
like when he's Yeah, I mean it has to a
little bit because often those guys, especially you know, the police,

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the Islanders, tend to play on the lines. So you
don't usually see the quarterback. And when you meet to
and I know you did in a Super Bowl, his
body type doesn't look like this guy's. He looks much
more like a normal guy to me. The DJ one
kind of remember that Zion conversation, like this guy gotta
be too big. He has a little bit of that. Now.
I do think these guys are so walked in with
eating and training in football. It's so regimented like that.

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There was especially, you know, for six months of the
year that you feel pretty good about it. I mean
how big band head years when he was totally and
big Ben is a massive guy. And you know who
else is bigger than people I think realize, like in
the hips and just mahomes like Mahomes. There's a miked
up he was miked up a couple of weeks ago whatever.
And there's some times in which he's running and if
you really look at his body type of like, damn,

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you forget how big a fella he is. And he's
a really I mean Russell and Kyler our tiny little
fellas in comparison, these are giants of men. And I
tend to agree with you. All right, Well, we will
have some sort of college football to watch, a ton
of pro football to watch. I love the podcast, and
uh we'll see if your guy DJ puts you in
the money. You're not a degenerate. You just you enjoy

(32:16):
the competitiveness of it. Thanks so much for joining us.
All right, that's a John Midelkoff who admitted to being
a multiple go back to the A T M guy
as we all have been in our twenties. Where will
Russell Westbrook end up next season? I'll tell you next.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific.

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A couple of things you're here on top of the hour.
So uh, Dan Buyer said this might happen, and it
just become official. It now will happen. Uh U c
l A is going to play Cal on Sunday. They
were gonna play different opponents, but both their team's cow
was canceled last week because they had one player in
their defensive side test. Positive. U c l A was

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getting said to play Utah, but they got some issues
to like do you wanna yeah? Do you sure like
pick up football? It's awesome, awesome, And then the Bears.
I love this. The Bears have Matt Naggi is their
head coach, is going to give up play calling due
to their offens avecoriting or Bill Laser. I don't know

(33:19):
if they'll be using liquid Hot Magma to help their
offense improved. Let's get to what the Fox saying this was.
Chris Bruce started explaining where he thinks Russell Westbrook should
play next season. I think the bottom line is that
the best thing for the Rockets and the best thing

(33:40):
for Russell Westbrook is that they kiss and makeup and
that he stays in Houston. Here's why for the Rockets,
you are not going to get a comparable player to
Russell Westbrook in the trade. You're not gonna get a
star in his prime who's going to make you better

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than you are right now, or maybe even as good
as you are right now. Okay, you'll get young assets
and and draft picks and stuff like that, but you
won't get a guy that can keep you, you know,
elite or at least borderline elite like you are right now.
And on top of that, if your trade Westbrook for

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a bunch of young players and assets, then you might
as well trade James Harden because you know at that
point you're rebuilding essentially, or you're certainly not gonna with
one star. You're not gonna compete with the Lakers and
Clippers and Nuggets and Warriors and so on and so forth.
Doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, yeah, look,

(34:46):
the idea of getting a comfortable player is I agree
with Chris on that they're not getting comfortable player. That's
not what the Rockets want. They don't need a comfortable player. First.
I don't know what a comfortab players to the Russell
Westbrook at this point in his career. You gotta get
rid of that contract. Now, what do you take back
in return? I'm gonna give you a bad contract. I'm
gonna have to take back a bad contract. Nobody's gonna

(35:08):
go like, oh, you've got a bad contract. Sure, let
me take that off your hands. Like that's not what
world do we live in? So what let's say Charlotte,
all right, let's just let's say that's the that's the
best possible destination for Charlotte. What can they send back
in return that they don't want? That's like the big thing.

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Can can you pick some things for Charlotte that you want,
Like sure, but you know what they're gonna give you, right,
I mean I can almost guarantee I know exactly what
they're gonna here. Take Terry Rogier, and like Terry Rosier,
if he's a backup guard, if he's get that patch
Beverly Roll, he's good. But when he's a starter, he

(35:53):
just not good enough. Like DeVante Graham became the better
point guard last year for him. They're not giving up
Miles Bridges. I don't They're not given up, you know,
Like here, you take Malik Monk and you take Terry Rogier,
and then you gotta take some massive contract that they have.
So look, the Clipper thing would be interesting because it

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would be that which is a rumor out there, but
the Clippers would be doing exactly what the Rockets did
the year before, which is, hey, we're upset with one
of our two stars and not sure how it plays out,
and we're gonna in terms of prestige go upgrade. But
in terms of player and contract downgrade. What is if
Paul George really was traded to the Rockets want to

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be a great shade for the Rockets, But what would
it say about how the Clippers view Paul George if
they think Russell Westbrook is a better answer, I know
they need a point guard. That's not the point guard
they need. That's not the point that's what that buyer.
That is crazy, like where two teams like you want
to play Sunday to rose Ball. Yeah, I honestly didn't

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think that it would work. And to figure it out.
And they've got a TV window. It's gonna be on
Fox Sports one, so new and Eastern, non am Pacific.
There's a lot of good TV like that's not so
it's a nine am game, nine am Sunday morning. Whatever
means they get to play. The kids are gonna be

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you know, you see only we we gave you a
five million dollars we spent in your food. Can you
get up at six am to play at nine am? Okay, okay,
you can hit the beach later. Okay. So that's awesome,
But I mean, how good is the TV fing gonna
be Sunday wake up to college football, NFL football and
the Master's Wow, it's official. No more argument about the

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value of this position. I'll tell you what position we're
discussing next. In the Doug Gatlip show