August 2, 2023 • 35 mins
Doug breaks down how the Pac-12 conference ruined themselves and their future is looking more and more bleak by the day. Doug reacts to Craig Carton's take about Bill Bellichick. Doug chooses among very deserving candidates for who is most annoying today. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "What Are The Chances?".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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you that you're gonna truly truly like welcome in. I
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I don't know, I I'm really fascinated, guys. Not necessarily
with conference realignment, you know, I do think and we've
talked about it, probably more this time than any other
conference re alignment time in the last ten years or so.
Maybe you know when when the Big ten realigned that
there was a lot more discussion. But let's not get
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caught up in that. What is interesting is what we
were told was the proposed media rights package to the
PAC twelve yesterday, which is obviously no longer twelve, and
right now it's packed nine going forward because Colorado has
said we out. And you can start to see why
there was so much hesitation from from the league to
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present this to their teams, because it is a bet
on themselves, if you will. Reportedly it's somewhere in the
you know, in the two hundred million per year to
start range. And again do the math, right, what is
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two hundred million? It's like, hmm, that's not really and
they're gonna have obviously they would have to add a
tenth team. And so you're talking about if it's two
hundred million and it's ten teams, say you add I
don't know, San Diego State, or you add the Air
Force Academy, or you LV you know, to go with
to go with Utah instead of Colorado, right, and then
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you have your travel partners. Yet again, if you're to
add one of those those teams, like that's twenty million apiece.
But you can bet on the come, which is the
chance of if you get enough subscriptions, specifically for the
Pac twelve package, well then you could make more than
the thirty one million in change that the Big twelve
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is making. There's a lot to this, Okay, a lot
to this. Let's start with start with the fact that
there's always been discussions about who's going to be the
first major sport or major conference to take everything digital, right, Amazon, Yahoo, whatever,
and no one's been. There was talk of the last
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NBA deal. Heck, maybe this upcoming NBA deal that would
they go all digital with one of the packages, or
or you know, to Apple to Amazon to Netflix, because
the one thing that is of supreme value to television
companies is live sports, live events in general, but live sports,
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so there is it does have some value. But the
idea that you're going to get and as the numbers
came out and how the equations work, likely the same
number of subscriptions for Apple TV the same number for
the PAC twelve seems like a massive reach. I don't
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know if you saw this chase too, but the estimates
are that in order to reach the high level bonuses
they would have to get to I think it's like
thirty four million subscriptions, which, by the way, that's how
many subscriptions Apple Plus has now. So you're saying yourself, well,
they already have it, they'll get it. No, no, no, no,
they basically have to double it or create those on
their own. But it is interesting that I think will
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start to see maybe not a rebirth, but an understanding
of why line your TV cable TV still works, right,
It absolutely still works. It's it's still and the reason
behind it is who watches college sports. This is a
big thing. This is a I think it's a great
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case study. It's a great one for people to understand
who watches college sports. Kids do not that the target
demo doesn't really watch college sports. People who watch college
sports are alums or super fans who usually live close.
And I think it's a What college sports has done
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to itself is criminal because they've torn apart a great industry.
And I know what some are going to say, and
if you know, there's media people like, well, look, they
wouldn't be spending all this money like they are making money,
but they're going to at some point. They're also spending
a ton of money to make a lot less, to
make a lot more money. And at some point they will,
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like the PAC twelve, be making less and less and less.
It will hit a tipping point. And I can't emphasize
any greater that this is. You know, the reason those
packages being digital won't work is people who watch everything
on their phone or you know. And this will change
some with YouTube TV getting red Zone, you know, and
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getting the NFL Sunday ticket package, but people who watch
that are older, especially college sports, we operate like college
sports is super cool and college kids the wave of
the future. They're watching they watch their own school play.
They're not sitting down and watching other teams there is,
and so there's very little chance you're going to get
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a massive, massive subscription spike. On the other hand, those
schools being the West Coast, you do have much more
developed and diversified kind of eyes and it's not like
you're in rural America like we're in the Midwest or
the southeast or Southwest, where you don't have internet connection
all of those things. So I just I truly believe,
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truly believe that that this is it's the future. I
just don't think the future is now because this is
not it's it's not the right this is not the
right league for it. There's some makings of it mark
because they a league like the PAC twelve cannot take
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the hit of going a couple of years of only
making twenty million when the big ten is making, you know, seventy,
the SEC is making the sixties, the big twelves making
in the thirties, and you're making at best twenty like
you can't. I don't know if they can. I don't
believe they can survive those lean years and then I'm
not a big buyer in to the upside. There not
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a big buyer in the upside. What do you think,
Jase two.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I never professed to know half as much about this
stuff as you do, But it seems like the PAC
twelve was kind of like what the We talked about
a lot on the show that what the Mets did
this year, like whether it was over valuing themselves entering
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a market where that no longer exists. I don't know
what the what the wording is, the business term is,
but there was an overplaying of a hand. I read
an anonymous source. I think Ross Dellinger wrote about it today.
I read an anonymous source where one one of the
conference presidents was like, this was either the the best
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this is either the best hooker bluff in the history
of business, or he's got nothing. He's got exactly zero.
And we're talking about the conference commissioner. How did it
get to this point? I mean, how, how exactly did
did this happen? So again, I follow it very casually.
I know you're in the weeds on this stuff, and
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I like your takes on this stuff, but I this
was just such a drastic over what's the word is
overplay in this whole thing?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Oh, I don't think there's any doubt this is an overplay.
I think that's a great point. This isn't you know,
the waiting and waiting and waiting on a deal and
then this is the deal. It's like long long. If
it was really a good deal, then it would have
been shown to the league a long time ago. Where
it feels like he was kind of cobbled together in
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an effort to make the other make the other conference
schools stay. And and I don't know if you know this.
You go back two years ago and the Pac twelve
could have ended the Big Twelve could have ended the
Big Twelve. Big Twelve loses Oklahoma and Texas, and they
could have gone in for the kill, taking it, you know,
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taking Texas Tech, taken Oklahoma State, take in Kansas, you know,
gone and gotten a couple of these schools, and they
could have they could have dropped the hammer. They did not,
and because of it, now their days are numbered. I mean, look,
they're going to lose probably three schools to the Big Twelve,
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and then you're going to lose two to four to
the to the Big Ten. And when that happens, the
Pac twelve ceased to exist, and and and we'll have
a titanic or a tectonic because tectonics the plates, but
a titanic kind of land shift in college sports, it's
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it's truly crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
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Speaker 2 (10:05):
Let's get to what the Fox said and now, so
here's Dan Patrick talk about the Mets ownership choosing to
sell off their high priced pitchers before the trade deadline.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I give the owner credit. He tried, it didn't work,
and these were commodities that you would be using in October.
The reason why you get Surezer and Verlander is come
playoff time. It's not about the regular season. But the
team failed. He tried, they spent a lot of money.
It's kind of hard to throw these things together and
go make magic. It doesn't happen that easily. I don't
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care how good you are and how much money you spent.
They tried, didn't work, and now you reload mac Schuerzer. Okay,
you got your answers. And then he decided that he'd
be willing to sign off on a deal go to
the Rangers. All right, that's how it works. Not everybody
can be in it, and you know, keep putting money
out there. They spend a lot of money on that roster.
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Look at the Padres, still waiting for them to be elite.
Now we saw glimpses of that last year, but this
year they're average. It happened the Yankees average. Now what
do you do this next year? That's the key. Do
the Mets spend a little bit? They did get, you know,
some minor league prospects here. Doesn't feel like this owner
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wants to build for the future because billionaires don't like
to wait. They don't normally have to wait. They want
to buy their way out of something. And it didn't work.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Contrary to that, there's a story in athletics today that
the general manager actually told sures or shures Are asked him,
are we going to try and reload next year? And
they said no, twenty twenty four is more of a
of a transition year. So the way I look at
it is, I do think it's smart to get rid of,
you know, get rid of those two star pitchers who
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are past their prime and can't help you and only
drag you down in obviously costs a lot of money.
But the bigger issue to me continues to be that
the sport has evolved. It is it takes a different
skill set from your team in order to be successful
in the regular season. We haven't seen how it affects
the postseason, but one would stand the reason that on
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some level it'll be the postseason as well. And I
think that's just fascinating to keep your eye on. But
it's also fascinating to point out that teams were constructed
for a different era and look at the Yankees, look
at some of the Padres. Some of these teams that
were built and by all accounts built well in the
past haven't worked out. I don't think it's just the
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that's baseball. Look, I think it's the change in the sport.
Here's Craig Carton and Blackskill Buri's talking about Bill Belichick
and the Patriots quarterback situation he just can't help solve.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Look, I'm not saying that Bailey Zappi is he going
to play some point this year, but Matt Jones is
the starting quarterback, and the fact that this clown won't
just come out and say, yeah, he's our of course
he's our starting quarterback. Is just comical and typical Bill Belichick.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
If mac Jones was the starting quarterback, he would not
have inserted him back in the lineup when he came
back from injury.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Correct with how well that Bailey's acting was playing at
the time. So Mac Jones is the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
This is such a tired act.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
When you're winning championships, you can act is the media, but.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
At this point it's just tired. I'm so sick of it.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
When is this ever gonna end?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
It?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
We ever gonna see real building? Jack?
Speaker 5 (13:23):
Listen, you know the funniest thing is that the real
Bill Belichick is actually a very funny, outgoing, gregarious guy.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I've seen it. I've seen him at at.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Dinners where he's the funniest guy in the room. But
when he presents himself during the football season to reporters,
he puts on this front and you're right, when you're
winning super Bowls, you could be that guy.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
When you go three straight years.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Without a playoff win and people are starting to question
how good you are because there's no Tom Brady, That
act gets stay out very quick.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, I don't think this is as much an act
there is. Even Mac Jones said, you know, this is
a fresh start year for him. I think this has
always been Bill Belichick right that he is always the
stories about his relationship with Brady and why the Brady
thing worked was he was as hard or harder on
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Brady than anybody else in the building and that just worked.
And I think the idea everybody says, we want to
treat everybody the same, and it's different obviously if you're
a star quarterback. But I think that's what he's doing
with Mac Jones. Again, I said this about the odd
attack to their offense last year. I didn't like the plan,
but Bill Belichick's earned the right to have that plan fail.
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The plan did fail, and I don't know if it
failed because of scheme or because of execution of the
scheme and how much of it was coaching, but it failed.
This year they go to Bill O'Brien, who's been excellent
with quarterbacks, excellent with offense. He liked Belichick bad as
a as a as a front office guy. So we'll
we'll see. But it's a weird thing to say. It
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does make you think these guys don't get along at all.
But it's Belichick and we were told it's a fresh start,
and maybe that's what the fresh start is about. Here's
Fox Baseball reporter Tom Berducci talking about on the Herd,
talking about the Angels offers they receive for show Heeo Tani.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
There actually was a pretty good market. I spoke with
one team that said they put an unprecedented offer on
the table to essentially rent Otani for two months, in
other words, without really thinking you're going to re sign
him because who knows where that number is going, but
essentially paying a price for two players because he has
two players in one's right. I mentioned I mentioned, you
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mentioned like a Jan Soto type deal, and this guy
said basically the same or even bigger. The problem there
is you're trading prospects, really good prospects for Otani. Ardi
Moreno doesn't want prospects. This is, as you said, it's
a generational player in a vacuum. Yes, you have a
player who might leave as a free agent, you put
him on the market, you get something more than a
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compensation pick right, it's not just another player in that
market when they haven't been to the playoffs. In nine years,
they have a winning record, they are four games out
of a wild card. You have the best player on
the planet.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
You can't trade him.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
I'm sorry. It's just the player, the market, the owner,
and adds up to a no brainer. Keep them playing out.
See if you got a chance to sneak into the postseason.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I don't know. I mean, like that's what they ended
up doing. But the reality is, if they don't get
to the playoffs and they haven't traded Otani and they
get like the fiftieth pick, what is really what has
really been one? Now? Today they got dominated by the Braves,
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just completely eviscerated by the Braves, and that's losing two
out of three. And this is a team that lost
two out of three to the Blue Jays. Now they
get the Mariners coming up, and the Mariners were not buyers,
their sellers. Then they have the Giants then with the
Astros and Rangers and Rays and Reds, so it's you
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better start winning at home. Otherwise this feels like a
feed to complete that he leaves and they don't make
the playoffs yet again.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Isn't that isn't the first time that Berducci said extremely
interesting that they were getting like Won Soto offers. I
think that that also plays into it. At the end
of this, say they don't make the postseason, and then
we can start critiquing what the move was. If they
turned down that the chance to have building blocks for
the next few years, I think that's an even bigger
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indictment on the move.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, I would tend to agree with you. I tend
to agree with you. You know that that if they
were that sizeable offers. Now, it does feel like, and
you tell me if I'm wrong, if i'm if I'm
reading reading into it wrong. It does feel like Verducci
is essentially he feels like this this information came from
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the Angels. That that does not feel I could be wrong,
does not feel like information that came from the league.
It came It felt like it came from the Angels.
And I say that because it's like them trying to validate. Hey,
we didn't want prospects. We wanted players, and nobody was
willing to do players. And look at all that we
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turned down to keep showing Hey, o Tani, et cetera.
I don't know to me that that's where it says,
that's how my ear ear ear here's it. I don't
know about chores.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's a way to look at it.
The opposite end of that is that there was a
team that is like, we offered them this much and
they turned it down, and that that's an interesting strategy
that the you know, the other GM was basically saying,
can you believe they did this? But again, we'll see
how it plays out.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
That's what the Fox said the same.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
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annoying Jason Stewart and now it's your annoying.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Hey, Doug, Let's start with with Carly Lloyd. I think
this's a lot of meat here. So the US women's
national team, just to put this in context here, barely advanced.
They played to a nil nil tied with Portugal yesterday.
Carly Lloyd went on the Fox broadcast and said this,
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you never want to.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Take anything for granted.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
You put on that jersey and you want to give
it everything you have, for the people that came before you,
for the people that are going to come after you,
and I'm just not seeing that passion. I'm just seeing
a very lackluster, uninspiring taking it for granted, where winning
and training and doing all that you can to be
the best possible individual player is not happening.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Now, she got a lot of shit for this, I
guess her former teammates, former players, and then of course
social media Twitter, which is the cesspool of the world,
started really getting into her. So she went on TV
last night and kind of walked it back here.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
I'd like to state that obviously I was very critical
of the team last night. I've had some time to reflect,
to sleep on it, and I want people to understand
that I cared deeply about this team. I poured my
heart and soul into this team for seventeen years, and
it was based off of a legacy that was just
passed down from generation to generation, the mentality, the DNA
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of what makes that team so great.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
And so.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
My comments were reflective on me wanting to see that
legacy continue to be passed down from generation to generation.
And with that it comes with hard work, it comes
with focus, and so my hope is that that continues
because that is what makes the US so special and
so deadly.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Now, Doug, that was characterized by articles that cover the
business as a walk back. It sounded more like an explanation.
But I'm annoyed by the fact that she felt compelled
to explain herself. I thought her first comments were so
on the ball, on the nose, and you respected her
so much for doing it. No need to apologize, even
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like slightly walk back, no need to qualify what you
had said, And you said the same thing on the
air yesterday. These ladies, these women are playing with the
USA on the front. We all take ownership in that.
And if we don't see the kind of passion that
we want from our national team men, women or otherwise,
then they should be able to receive that criticism and
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the person doing the criticize and should be able to
do it without being shpit on by the world afterwards.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I agree with everything you said, but let me go
one step further, like, look this, the apology either comes
from Carly or from the executives at Fox, and if
it's from Carly, you just can't do it. If you
want to be exceptional at it, which I think she
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has the makings of being exceptional, You're gonna have to
withstand some criticism. You're gonna have to withstand some criticism.
This where it came. Nobody comes to and cares. Everybody
knows where it came from. Everybody knows that you played
for You're embarrassed. They they're not as good as they
should be, and they're not playing as well or as
hard or as passionately as they should as well. Like that,
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that's a representation of you. I get it. What do
you know, Well, I had some time to reflect. Okay,
I mean, look, that's actually a very healthy thing. But
it doesn't we don't care where it came from. Your
comments still ring ring true is still the same. So
I'm I'm with you, Jay stew If it comes from
the executives at Fox, which I'm hoping it doesn't, I
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don't think it does. I would say, you're not gonna
allow anybody to be analyst now And the other thing
for now, this is for Carly if she, you know,
doesn't like the criticism. It does speak to one of
the unspokens about about women at times in the sports world,
which is like, look, Alexi Lawless has said all said
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all kinds of stuff about the US men's national team
about soccer in general, about other teams, you know, and
you have to be built for it. You have to
be built for the pushback. And you know what the
pushback always is. When people hear or see something they
don't like, they kill they shoot the messenger. She's the
messenger instead of reacting to the message. So, yeah, I
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don't I don't love it. I don't know who's to blame.
I'm not gonna investigate, but whoever is And they could
just be social media pressure and her friends texting you, like,
I don't know, just characterize it. Nobody actually cares about
the characterization that will get no play. And maybe this
is TV one on one and now you learn those
comments on Team USA after a Team USA match are
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the ones that are going to be paid attention to
the most.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
And what I forget who said this? Maybe it was
heard or somebody, but like something like three percent of
the country is on Twitter, like for you to dictate
what you say on the air based on a reaction
on social media. And maybe she got a lot of
shit from former players to personal messages and stuff, but
I don't think so you just can't react to Twitter
like you can't allow that to dictate your commentary.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Twitter hates everything, Yeah, hates everything.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
And by the way, the other two people on the set,
one with Alexi Lawis and I apologize not knowing that
it's a German player. I believe that's also next to
Carly Lloyd, both agreed with her. Yeah, they both literally
said the same thing she said. And Alexi Lawis even
twice in that interview, let me just be certain what
you're saying. Are you saying this? And she said, repeated herself,
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So she definitely. I think her passion is wonderful. I
think her passion is for the fact that she's he
a team that she played for not giving her all.
I said the same thing when I was watching the game,
like this team doesn't look like they're interested in winning
this game, Like not everybody can see the same thing,
and the to be wrong, correct.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Correct, It's like an abstract painting. Yep, it's like like
like an abstract painting.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So needless will say, I lot to meet there and
on any other day, I think that would be the
thing I'm most annoyed with. But no, the most annoyed
I am with something right now is my Dodgers and
John's Dodgers. You know Andrew Friedman, he got into the
dugout yesterday with the shades on looking like you know,
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Tom Cruise from Risky Business. Loved the deals we made.
Were in a good spot, you know. You know, sometimes
you win, sometimes you lose. You know, you know, the
effort was there, the efforts there every year we want
to win, but sometimes the trades just don't happen. No,
you're the starting pitching on this team is dog shit.
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In the month of July, the starting pitching had an
ERA of six point one eight. Starting pitching is hurt.
It's been dreadful. And you went out and got lance Lynn,
whose ERA is around six point one eight. So you
basically just added the same pitcher to the dog shit
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staff that you have now. Lance Lynn beating the A's
last night, that doesn't count. If he beats a major
league team, maybe we can give him some credit. The
Eduardo Arriga is saying is such an indictment on the Dodgers.
I think, why would you not go to the representation
and see if Edward Rodriguez would be willing to waive
as no trade clause to come to you before you
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put in all the legwork and all the time and
putting together a deal. You're putting time and resources into
something that isn't going to happen when you could have
been maybe trying to do something else. You whiffed on Verlander.
I don't understand the cart before the horse on this
EDWARDO or Rodriguez thing. Andrew Friedman said, yeah, we knew
about him and his family, but we just assumed he
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would wave the no trade clause because there are players
on this team, namely Mookie Betts, that were former teammates
of his. Well, why don't you find all that out
at first? There are things called agents and just pick
their brain. Dodgers failing at the trade deadline is the
largest source of my annoyance right now. And by the way, Doug,
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they didn't do shit this offseason either. In fact, they
trimmed payroll. And if the mandate is let's clear as
much space and don't put any big contracts on the
board because we're gonna get sho heo Tani. Then tell
us that don't give us us bullshit about how you
love the moves that you made at the deadline. That's
just a lie to us. Just say, look, we're not
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looking to add any big contracts, so that's why we
didn't get Verlander, Schurezer, Giolito that that's fine. Just tell
us that, but don't give us this bullshit about we
like what we did.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Do you have others?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah? Doug, a national broadcaster today the last two days,
has led his show with I'm going to break down
the schedules of teams and then tell you how bad
they are and how good they are. And this is
the same guy who picked the Broncos when the Super
Bowl last year, the same guy that didn't pick the
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Giants to make the playoffs last year. You would think
that there would be some like harsh lessons learned in
this prediction radio, Like you're looking at a schedule of
teams that haven't played yet. You're looking at a schedule
of teams that haven't played a single preseason game yet,
and you're trying to tell me, oh, that's definitely a
good month or a bad month schedule. It's like, this
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is it? It's complete waste of time Radio, Like, what
are we doing? What exactly what are you doing with
the go over schedule guy? Radio?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, I don't know what's happened there. I know what
you're talking about when when I just we used to
everyone has done it when they were a kid or
in high school or their college team. It's a very
fan friendly thing to do. It just is not a
really smart sports thing to do. I mean, it just isn't.
(29:27):
And the NFL is the perfect example why no one
knew the Eagles would be that good, but no one
knew their schedule was that easy. You know, you just
you can't plan for things, you can't predict things. And
the other part to it, and this is the real thing,
is remember a lot like baseball, changing football changed the
extra point being moved back changed things a lot. But
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I also think that the seventeenth game, extra games, extra
extra you know, they changed who only one team gets
to buy in the playoffs. So and we're still trying
to figure out what that all means, what that all
feels like, will that all affects things? So I'm just
I'm just really interested to see how it plays out.
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That said, I'm with you, it's really annoying when people
go down the rabbit hole of the schedules. Well that's
a win and that's a lost. Oh, they go into
Pittsburgh in November, and like you don't. I don't. No
one has any idea how good Kenny Pickett is or
who's he going to be throwing too, or what that's
going to look like, or what your team's gonna look like.
You can do it. I just think it's weird that
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some of the guys that are the best at what
we do have gone down that rabbit hole.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
So H Dodger Front Office, the Carly Lloyd apology.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Carl Carli Lloyd taking back apologizing for strong commentary. I
just that's annoying. You don't need to She's doing a
great job. Keep doing a great job. Whoever told her
or of her, you know, internal monologue told her to
dial it back. You are wrong? And another.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 6 (31:04):
I do.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Because we can.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Doug Dwight Howard. I think he's gonna go to the
Hall of Fame. Dominant player. He actually had a cross
section right. He played with Kobe, I want to say,
on the kind of the tail end of his prime
after the Championships, and then he played with Lebron. He
was asked on this podcast, let me get the exact
(31:34):
credit here. On the podcast called matth Hoffe's Expert Opinion podcast.
The difference between playing on a team with Lebron and
a team with Kobe.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Man Kobe and Lebron, Lebron almost act like somebody from
the South side of Georgia. Yeah, he had We had
kind of like toys, joke and silly, have a good time.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
We get on the court.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
You still don't have a good time, but we're gonna dominate.
Kobe ate bullshit with nobody. He might not come to
the locker room and talk and everybody like so he
just gonna walk all the way past um no, no, none,
He just walked past us. But you know, that's just
how he would come in. I guess now looking back
(32:20):
on it, he probably was doing that just to get
everybody ready for practice because we too loud he coming
in there. We joking around, laughed, but you know, he
was just a little different, was his approach. But that's Kobe.
That's what made him who he is.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I love it. And one thing that's interesting, though, is
is that Dwight Howard he acts like that was during
his prime, doesn't he? And I guess maybe it was
at the tail end because it was the tailing of
Kobe's prime. That was when Kobe. They were trying like
one last championship, right with Steve Nash and h and
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Dwight Howard. But I don't feel like Dwight Howard was
I don't know. For some reason, I don't feel like
that was even close to his prime. Wasn't that after
his back surgery?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was. He was on the downside.
We just didn't know it yet. And then he just
became a huge pussy on that Lakers.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Team that was a mess. What's interesting is he played.
He led the league in rebounding that year, he averaged
seventeen a game. But they just clearly did not mesh
his personalities, you know. And then of course he went
to Houston and he played with James Harden and that
didn't work, even though you know, statistically he was good.
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Then he tried back in Atlanta and actually he became
seen as a really good teammate when the Lakers won
in the Bubble. But why can we play that for you,
because we in fact can. Let's get to our pick
of the day. Okay, sir, the bet is to you.
Maybe it's time for the pick of the day. We've
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been killing it with a He's baseball pick. So why
stop now?
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Right?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Why stop now? I got one for you the yesterday
We told you it was really easy. Right, Just take
the Dodgers. You know their minus two seventy five yesterday,
the minus two seventy five today. Put whatever money you can,
knowing you're gonna you're gonna make that money back. And
I think you could do that as well today. You
know what I love about this bet today is that
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I think you can you can not only go with
the Dodgers, but I think you could go with the over.
It's at nine and a half. Tony Gonsolin's pitching, and
Tony Gonsolin's he's solid, you know, era in the mid fours,
but and he hasn't been great since the All Star break.
Hogan Harris, who's a lefty, is going for the Oakland A's.
He's got a six point seventy ra A. It's only
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his sixth career start. By the way, Oakland is too
in ten and Harris's twelve appearances. Now that can be
deceiving because they're two inten and just about any twelve
game stretch. I just think the is going to be
flying around to day, just like it was flying around
last night. You know A's were kind of buried, but
Lanslim's not great. Last night was six nine runs scored
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this one, it's nine and a half. I take the
Dodgers and the over. That's it for the end the
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All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Radio. I hope you're great The Doug Gottlieb Show, broadcasting
live from Southern California. We got great because we can.
You're gonna love the Uh what does the Fox say?
And I got another gem pick of the night for
you that you're gonna truly truly like welcome in. I
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I don't know, I I'm really fascinated, guys. Not necessarily
with conference realignment, you know, I do think and we've
talked about it, probably more this time than any other
conference re alignment time in the last ten years or so.
Maybe you know when when the Big ten realigned that
there was a lot more discussion. But let's not get
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caught up in that. What is interesting is what we
were told was the proposed media rights package to the
PAC twelve yesterday, which is obviously no longer twelve, and
right now it's packed nine going forward because Colorado has
said we out. And you can start to see why
there was so much hesitation from from the league to
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present this to their teams, because it is a bet
on themselves, if you will. Reportedly it's somewhere in the
you know, in the two hundred million per year to
start range. And again do the math, right, what is
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two hundred million? It's like, hmm, that's not really and
they're gonna have obviously they would have to add a
tenth team. And so you're talking about if it's two
hundred million and it's ten teams, say you add I
don't know, San Diego State, or you add the Air
Force Academy, or you LV you know, to go with
to go with Utah instead of Colorado, right, and then
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you have your travel partners. Yet again, if you're to
add one of those those teams, like that's twenty million apiece.
But you can bet on the come, which is the
chance of if you get enough subscriptions, specifically for the
Pac twelve package, well then you could make more than
the thirty one million in change that the Big twelve
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is making. There's a lot to this, Okay, a lot
to this. Let's start with start with the fact that
there's always been discussions about who's going to be the
first major sport or major conference to take everything digital, right, Amazon, Yahoo, whatever,
and no one's been. There was talk of the last
(02:47):
NBA deal. Heck, maybe this upcoming NBA deal that would
they go all digital with one of the packages, or
or you know, to Apple to Amazon to Netflix, because
the one thing that is of supreme value to television
companies is live sports, live events in general, but live sports,
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so there is it does have some value. But the
idea that you're going to get and as the numbers
came out and how the equations work, likely the same
number of subscriptions for Apple TV the same number for
the PAC twelve seems like a massive reach. I don't
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know if you saw this chase too, but the estimates
are that in order to reach the high level bonuses
they would have to get to I think it's like
thirty four million subscriptions, which, by the way, that's how
many subscriptions Apple Plus has now. So you're saying yourself, well,
they already have it, they'll get it. No, no, no, no,
they basically have to double it or create those on
their own. But it is interesting that I think will
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start to see maybe not a rebirth, but an understanding
of why line your TV cable TV still works, right,
It absolutely still works. It's it's still and the reason
behind it is who watches college sports. This is a
big thing. This is a I think it's a great
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case study. It's a great one for people to understand
who watches college sports. Kids do not that the target
demo doesn't really watch college sports. People who watch college
sports are alums or super fans who usually live close.
And I think it's a What college sports has done
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to itself is criminal because they've torn apart a great industry.
And I know what some are going to say, and
if you know, there's media people like, well, look, they
wouldn't be spending all this money like they are making money,
but they're going to at some point. They're also spending
a ton of money to make a lot less, to
make a lot more money. And at some point they will,
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like the PAC twelve, be making less and less and less.
It will hit a tipping point. And I can't emphasize
any greater that this is. You know, the reason those
packages being digital won't work is people who watch everything
on their phone or you know. And this will change
some with YouTube TV getting red Zone, you know, and
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getting the NFL Sunday ticket package, but people who watch
that are older, especially college sports, we operate like college
sports is super cool and college kids the wave of
the future. They're watching they watch their own school play.
They're not sitting down and watching other teams there is,
and so there's very little chance you're going to get
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a massive, massive subscription spike. On the other hand, those
schools being the West Coast, you do have much more
developed and diversified kind of eyes and it's not like
you're in rural America like we're in the Midwest or
the southeast or Southwest, where you don't have internet connection
all of those things. So I just I truly believe,
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truly believe that that this is it's the future. I
just don't think the future is now because this is
not it's it's not the right this is not the
right league for it. There's some makings of it mark
because they a league like the PAC twelve cannot take
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the hit of going a couple of years of only
making twenty million when the big ten is making, you know, seventy,
the SEC is making the sixties, the big twelves making
in the thirties, and you're making at best twenty like
you can't. I don't know if they can. I don't
believe they can survive those lean years and then I'm
not a big buyer in to the upside. There not
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a big buyer in the upside. What do you think,
Jase two.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I never professed to know half as much about this
stuff as you do, But it seems like the PAC
twelve was kind of like what the We talked about
a lot on the show that what the Mets did
this year, like whether it was over valuing themselves entering
(07:31):
a market where that no longer exists. I don't know
what the what the wording is, the business term is,
but there was an overplaying of a hand. I read
an anonymous source. I think Ross Dellinger wrote about it today.
I read an anonymous source where one one of the
conference presidents was like, this was either the the best
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this is either the best hooker bluff in the history
of business, or he's got nothing. He's got exactly zero.
And we're talking about the conference commissioner. How did it
get to this point? I mean, how, how exactly did
did this happen? So again, I follow it very casually.
I know you're in the weeds on this stuff, and
(08:20):
I like your takes on this stuff, but I this
was just such a drastic over what's the word is
overplay in this whole thing?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Oh, I don't think there's any doubt this is an overplay.
I think that's a great point. This isn't you know,
the waiting and waiting and waiting on a deal and
then this is the deal. It's like long long. If
it was really a good deal, then it would have
been shown to the league a long time ago. Where
it feels like he was kind of cobbled together in
(08:49):
an effort to make the other make the other conference
schools stay. And and I don't know if you know this.
You go back two years ago and the Pac twelve
could have ended the Big Twelve could have ended the
Big Twelve. Big Twelve loses Oklahoma and Texas, and they
could have gone in for the kill, taking it, you know,
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taking Texas Tech, taken Oklahoma State, take in Kansas, you know,
gone and gotten a couple of these schools, and they
could have they could have dropped the hammer. They did not,
and because of it, now their days are numbered. I mean, look,
they're going to lose probably three schools to the Big Twelve,
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and then you're going to lose two to four to
the to the Big Ten. And when that happens, the
Pac twelve ceased to exist, and and and we'll have
a titanic or a tectonic because tectonics the plates, but
a titanic kind of land shift in college sports, it's
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it's truly crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
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Speaker 2 (10:05):
Let's get to what the Fox said and now, so
here's Dan Patrick talk about the Mets ownership choosing to
sell off their high priced pitchers before the trade deadline.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I give the owner credit. He tried, it didn't work,
and these were commodities that you would be using in October.
The reason why you get Surezer and Verlander is come
playoff time. It's not about the regular season. But the
team failed. He tried, they spent a lot of money.
It's kind of hard to throw these things together and
go make magic. It doesn't happen that easily. I don't
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care how good you are and how much money you spent.
They tried, didn't work, and now you reload mac Schuerzer. Okay,
you got your answers. And then he decided that he'd
be willing to sign off on a deal go to
the Rangers. All right, that's how it works. Not everybody
can be in it, and you know, keep putting money
out there. They spend a lot of money on that roster.
(10:57):
Look at the Padres, still waiting for them to be elite.
Now we saw glimpses of that last year, but this
year they're average. It happened the Yankees average. Now what
do you do this next year? That's the key. Do
the Mets spend a little bit? They did get, you know,
some minor league prospects here. Doesn't feel like this owner
(11:18):
wants to build for the future because billionaires don't like
to wait. They don't normally have to wait. They want
to buy their way out of something. And it didn't work.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Contrary to that, there's a story in athletics today that
the general manager actually told sures or shures Are asked him,
are we going to try and reload next year? And
they said no, twenty twenty four is more of a
of a transition year. So the way I look at
it is, I do think it's smart to get rid of,
you know, get rid of those two star pitchers who
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are past their prime and can't help you and only
drag you down in obviously costs a lot of money.
But the bigger issue to me continues to be that
the sport has evolved. It is it takes a different
skill set from your team in order to be successful
in the regular season. We haven't seen how it affects
the postseason, but one would stand the reason that on
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some level it'll be the postseason as well. And I
think that's just fascinating to keep your eye on. But
it's also fascinating to point out that teams were constructed
for a different era and look at the Yankees, look
at some of the Padres. Some of these teams that
were built and by all accounts built well in the
past haven't worked out. I don't think it's just the
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that's baseball. Look, I think it's the change in the sport.
Here's Craig Carton and Blackskill Buri's talking about Bill Belichick
and the Patriots quarterback situation he just can't help solve.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Look, I'm not saying that Bailey Zappi is he going
to play some point this year, but Matt Jones is
the starting quarterback, and the fact that this clown won't
just come out and say, yeah, he's our of course
he's our starting quarterback. Is just comical and typical Bill Belichick.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
If mac Jones was the starting quarterback, he would not
have inserted him back in the lineup when he came
back from injury.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Correct with how well that Bailey's acting was playing at
the time. So Mac Jones is the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
This is such a tired act.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
When you're winning championships, you can act is the media, but.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
At this point it's just tired. I'm so sick of it.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
When is this ever gonna end?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
It?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
We ever gonna see real building? Jack?
Speaker 5 (13:23):
Listen, you know the funniest thing is that the real
Bill Belichick is actually a very funny, outgoing, gregarious guy.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I've seen it. I've seen him at at.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Dinners where he's the funniest guy in the room. But
when he presents himself during the football season to reporters,
he puts on this front and you're right, when you're
winning super Bowls, you could be that guy.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
When you go three straight years.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Without a playoff win and people are starting to question
how good you are because there's no Tom Brady, That
act gets stay out very quick.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, I don't think this is as much an act
there is. Even Mac Jones said, you know, this is
a fresh start year for him. I think this has
always been Bill Belichick right that he is always the
stories about his relationship with Brady and why the Brady
thing worked was he was as hard or harder on
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Brady than anybody else in the building and that just worked.
And I think the idea everybody says, we want to
treat everybody the same, and it's different obviously if you're
a star quarterback. But I think that's what he's doing
with Mac Jones. Again, I said this about the odd
attack to their offense last year. I didn't like the plan,
but Bill Belichick's earned the right to have that plan fail.
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The plan did fail, and I don't know if it
failed because of scheme or because of execution of the
scheme and how much of it was coaching, but it failed.
This year they go to Bill O'Brien, who's been excellent
with quarterbacks, excellent with offense. He liked Belichick bad as
a as a as a front office guy. So we'll
we'll see. But it's a weird thing to say. It
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does make you think these guys don't get along at all.
But it's Belichick and we were told it's a fresh start,
and maybe that's what the fresh start is about. Here's
Fox Baseball reporter Tom Berducci talking about on the Herd,
talking about the Angels offers they receive for show Heeo Tani.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
There actually was a pretty good market. I spoke with
one team that said they put an unprecedented offer on
the table to essentially rent Otani for two months, in
other words, without really thinking you're going to re sign
him because who knows where that number is going, but
essentially paying a price for two players because he has
two players in one's right. I mentioned I mentioned, you
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mentioned like a Jan Soto type deal, and this guy
said basically the same or even bigger. The problem there
is you're trading prospects, really good prospects for Otani. Ardi
Moreno doesn't want prospects. This is, as you said, it's
a generational player in a vacuum. Yes, you have a
player who might leave as a free agent, you put
him on the market, you get something more than a
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compensation pick right, it's not just another player in that
market when they haven't been to the playoffs. In nine years,
they have a winning record, they are four games out
of a wild card. You have the best player on
the planet.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
You can't trade him.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
I'm sorry. It's just the player, the market, the owner,
and adds up to a no brainer. Keep them playing out.
See if you got a chance to sneak into the postseason.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I don't know. I mean, like that's what they ended
up doing. But the reality is, if they don't get
to the playoffs and they haven't traded Otani and they
get like the fiftieth pick, what is really what has
really been one? Now? Today they got dominated by the Braves,
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just completely eviscerated by the Braves, and that's losing two
out of three. And this is a team that lost
two out of three to the Blue Jays. Now they
get the Mariners coming up, and the Mariners were not buyers,
their sellers. Then they have the Giants then with the
Astros and Rangers and Rays and Reds, so it's you
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better start winning at home. Otherwise this feels like a
feed to complete that he leaves and they don't make
the playoffs yet again.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Isn't that isn't the first time that Berducci said extremely
interesting that they were getting like Won Soto offers. I
think that that also plays into it. At the end
of this, say they don't make the postseason, and then
we can start critiquing what the move was. If they
turned down that the chance to have building blocks for
the next few years, I think that's an even bigger
(17:36):
indictment on the move.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, I would tend to agree with you. I tend
to agree with you. You know that that if they
were that sizeable offers. Now, it does feel like, and
you tell me if I'm wrong, if i'm if I'm
reading reading into it wrong. It does feel like Verducci
is essentially he feels like this this information came from
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the Angels. That that does not feel I could be wrong,
does not feel like information that came from the league.
It came It felt like it came from the Angels.
And I say that because it's like them trying to validate. Hey,
we didn't want prospects. We wanted players, and nobody was
willing to do players. And look at all that we
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turned down to keep showing Hey, o Tani, et cetera.
I don't know to me that that's where it says,
that's how my ear ear ear here's it. I don't
know about chores.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's a way to look at it.
The opposite end of that is that there was a
team that is like, we offered them this much and
they turned it down, and that that's an interesting strategy
that the you know, the other GM was basically saying,
can you believe they did this? But again, we'll see
how it plays out.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
That's what the Fox said the same.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
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annoying Jason Stewart and now it's your annoying.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Hey, Doug, Let's start with with Carly Lloyd. I think
this's a lot of meat here. So the US women's
national team, just to put this in context here, barely advanced.
They played to a nil nil tied with Portugal yesterday.
Carly Lloyd went on the Fox broadcast and said this,
(19:39):
you never want to.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Take anything for granted.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
You put on that jersey and you want to give
it everything you have, for the people that came before you,
for the people that are going to come after you,
and I'm just not seeing that passion. I'm just seeing
a very lackluster, uninspiring taking it for granted, where winning
and training and doing all that you can to be
the best possible individual player is not happening.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Now, she got a lot of shit for this, I
guess her former teammates, former players, and then of course
social media Twitter, which is the cesspool of the world,
started really getting into her. So she went on TV
last night and kind of walked it back here.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
I'd like to state that obviously I was very critical
of the team last night. I've had some time to reflect,
to sleep on it, and I want people to understand
that I cared deeply about this team. I poured my
heart and soul into this team for seventeen years, and
it was based off of a legacy that was just
passed down from generation to generation, the mentality, the DNA
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of what makes that team so great.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
And so.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
My comments were reflective on me wanting to see that
legacy continue to be passed down from generation to generation.
And with that it comes with hard work, it comes
with focus, and so my hope is that that continues
because that is what makes the US so special and
so deadly.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Now, Doug, that was characterized by articles that cover the
business as a walk back. It sounded more like an explanation.
But I'm annoyed by the fact that she felt compelled
to explain herself. I thought her first comments were so
on the ball, on the nose, and you respected her
so much for doing it. No need to apologize, even
(21:29):
like slightly walk back, no need to qualify what you
had said, And you said the same thing on the
air yesterday. These ladies, these women are playing with the
USA on the front. We all take ownership in that.
And if we don't see the kind of passion that
we want from our national team men, women or otherwise,
then they should be able to receive that criticism and
(21:54):
the person doing the criticize and should be able to
do it without being shpit on by the world afterwards.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I agree with everything you said, but let me go
one step further, like, look this, the apology either comes
from Carly or from the executives at Fox, and if
it's from Carly, you just can't do it. If you
want to be exceptional at it, which I think she
(22:23):
has the makings of being exceptional, You're gonna have to
withstand some criticism. You're gonna have to withstand some criticism.
This where it came. Nobody comes to and cares. Everybody
knows where it came from. Everybody knows that you played
for You're embarrassed. They they're not as good as they
should be, and they're not playing as well or as
hard or as passionately as they should as well. Like that,
(22:45):
that's a representation of you. I get it. What do
you know, Well, I had some time to reflect. Okay,
I mean, look, that's actually a very healthy thing. But
it doesn't we don't care where it came from. Your
comments still ring ring true is still the same. So
I'm I'm with you, Jay stew If it comes from
the executives at Fox, which I'm hoping it doesn't, I
(23:08):
don't think it does. I would say, you're not gonna
allow anybody to be analyst now And the other thing
for now, this is for Carly if she, you know,
doesn't like the criticism. It does speak to one of
the unspokens about about women at times in the sports world,
which is like, look, Alexi Lawless has said all said
(23:31):
all kinds of stuff about the US men's national team
about soccer in general, about other teams, you know, and
you have to be built for it. You have to
be built for the pushback. And you know what the
pushback always is. When people hear or see something they
don't like, they kill they shoot the messenger. She's the
messenger instead of reacting to the message. So, yeah, I
(23:54):
don't I don't love it. I don't know who's to blame.
I'm not gonna investigate, but whoever is And they could
just be social media pressure and her friends texting you, like,
I don't know, just characterize it. Nobody actually cares about
the characterization that will get no play. And maybe this
is TV one on one and now you learn those
comments on Team USA after a Team USA match are
(24:17):
the ones that are going to be paid attention to
the most.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
And what I forget who said this? Maybe it was
heard or somebody, but like something like three percent of
the country is on Twitter, like for you to dictate
what you say on the air based on a reaction
on social media. And maybe she got a lot of
shit from former players to personal messages and stuff, but
I don't think so you just can't react to Twitter
like you can't allow that to dictate your commentary.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Twitter hates everything, Yeah, hates everything.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
And by the way, the other two people on the set,
one with Alexi Lawis and I apologize not knowing that
it's a German player. I believe that's also next to
Carly Lloyd, both agreed with her. Yeah, they both literally
said the same thing she said. And Alexi Lawis even
twice in that interview, let me just be certain what
you're saying. Are you saying this? And she said, repeated herself,
(25:06):
So she definitely. I think her passion is wonderful. I
think her passion is for the fact that she's he
a team that she played for not giving her all.
I said the same thing when I was watching the game,
like this team doesn't look like they're interested in winning
this game, Like not everybody can see the same thing,
and the to be wrong, correct.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Correct, It's like an abstract painting. Yep, it's like like
like an abstract painting.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So needless will say, I lot to meet there and
on any other day, I think that would be the
thing I'm most annoyed with. But no, the most annoyed
I am with something right now is my Dodgers and
John's Dodgers. You know Andrew Friedman, he got into the
dugout yesterday with the shades on looking like you know,
(25:49):
Tom Cruise from Risky Business. Loved the deals we made.
Were in a good spot, you know. You know, sometimes
you win, sometimes you lose. You know, you know, the
effort was there, the efforts there every year we want
to win, but sometimes the trades just don't happen. No,
you're the starting pitching on this team is dog shit.
(26:10):
In the month of July, the starting pitching had an
ERA of six point one eight. Starting pitching is hurt.
It's been dreadful. And you went out and got lance Lynn,
whose ERA is around six point one eight. So you
basically just added the same pitcher to the dog shit
(26:32):
staff that you have now. Lance Lynn beating the A's
last night, that doesn't count. If he beats a major
league team, maybe we can give him some credit. The
Eduardo Arriga is saying is such an indictment on the Dodgers.
I think, why would you not go to the representation
and see if Edward Rodriguez would be willing to waive
as no trade clause to come to you before you
(26:53):
put in all the legwork and all the time and
putting together a deal. You're putting time and resources into
something that isn't going to happen when you could have
been maybe trying to do something else. You whiffed on Verlander.
I don't understand the cart before the horse on this
EDWARDO or Rodriguez thing. Andrew Friedman said, yeah, we knew
about him and his family, but we just assumed he
(27:15):
would wave the no trade clause because there are players
on this team, namely Mookie Betts, that were former teammates
of his. Well, why don't you find all that out
at first? There are things called agents and just pick
their brain. Dodgers failing at the trade deadline is the
largest source of my annoyance right now. And by the way, Doug,
(27:37):
they didn't do shit this offseason either. In fact, they
trimmed payroll. And if the mandate is let's clear as
much space and don't put any big contracts on the
board because we're gonna get sho heo Tani. Then tell
us that don't give us us bullshit about how you
love the moves that you made at the deadline. That's
just a lie to us. Just say, look, we're not
(27:59):
looking to add any big contracts, so that's why we
didn't get Verlander, Schurezer, Giolito that that's fine. Just tell
us that, but don't give us this bullshit about we
like what we did.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Do you have others?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah? Doug, a national broadcaster today the last two days,
has led his show with I'm going to break down
the schedules of teams and then tell you how bad
they are and how good they are. And this is
the same guy who picked the Broncos when the Super
Bowl last year, the same guy that didn't pick the
(28:33):
Giants to make the playoffs last year. You would think
that there would be some like harsh lessons learned in
this prediction radio, Like you're looking at a schedule of
teams that haven't played yet. You're looking at a schedule
of teams that haven't played a single preseason game yet,
and you're trying to tell me, oh, that's definitely a
good month or a bad month schedule. It's like, this
(28:56):
is it? It's complete waste of time Radio, Like, what
are we doing? What exactly what are you doing with
the go over schedule guy? Radio?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, I don't know what's happened there. I know what
you're talking about when when I just we used to
everyone has done it when they were a kid or
in high school or their college team. It's a very
fan friendly thing to do. It just is not a
really smart sports thing to do. I mean, it just isn't.
(29:27):
And the NFL is the perfect example why no one
knew the Eagles would be that good, but no one
knew their schedule was that easy. You know, you just
you can't plan for things, you can't predict things. And
the other part to it, and this is the real thing,
is remember a lot like baseball, changing football changed the
extra point being moved back changed things a lot. But
(29:51):
I also think that the seventeenth game, extra games, extra
extra you know, they changed who only one team gets
to buy in the playoffs. So and we're still trying
to figure out what that all means, what that all
feels like, will that all affects things? So I'm just
I'm just really interested to see how it plays out.
(30:11):
That said, I'm with you, it's really annoying when people
go down the rabbit hole of the schedules. Well that's
a win and that's a lost. Oh, they go into
Pittsburgh in November, and like you don't. I don't. No
one has any idea how good Kenny Pickett is or
who's he going to be throwing too, or what that's
going to look like, or what your team's gonna look like.
You can do it. I just think it's weird that
(30:33):
some of the guys that are the best at what
we do have gone down that rabbit hole.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
So H Dodger Front Office, the Carly Lloyd apology.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Carl Carli Lloyd taking back apologizing for strong commentary. I
just that's annoying. You don't need to She's doing a
great job. Keep doing a great job. Whoever told her
or of her, you know, internal monologue told her to
dial it back. You are wrong? And another.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 6 (31:04):
I do.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Because we can.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Doug Dwight Howard. I think he's gonna go to the
Hall of Fame. Dominant player. He actually had a cross
section right. He played with Kobe, I want to say,
on the kind of the tail end of his prime
after the Championships, and then he played with Lebron. He
was asked on this podcast, let me get the exact
(31:34):
credit here. On the podcast called matth Hoffe's Expert Opinion podcast.
The difference between playing on a team with Lebron and
a team with Kobe.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Man Kobe and Lebron, Lebron almost act like somebody from
the South side of Georgia. Yeah, he had We had
kind of like toys, joke and silly, have a good time.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
We get on the court.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
You still don't have a good time, but we're gonna dominate.
Kobe ate bullshit with nobody. He might not come to
the locker room and talk and everybody like so he
just gonna walk all the way past um no, no, none,
He just walked past us. But you know, that's just
how he would come in. I guess now looking back
(32:20):
on it, he probably was doing that just to get
everybody ready for practice because we too loud he coming
in there. We joking around, laughed, but you know, he
was just a little different, was his approach. But that's Kobe.
That's what made him who he is.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I love it. And one thing that's interesting, though, is
is that Dwight Howard he acts like that was during
his prime, doesn't he? And I guess maybe it was
at the tail end because it was the tailing of
Kobe's prime. That was when Kobe. They were trying like
one last championship, right with Steve Nash and h and
(32:58):
Dwight Howard. But I don't feel like Dwight Howard was
I don't know. For some reason, I don't feel like
that was even close to his prime. Wasn't that after
his back surgery?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was. He was on the downside.
We just didn't know it yet. And then he just
became a huge pussy on that Lakers.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Team that was a mess. What's interesting is he played.
He led the league in rebounding that year, he averaged
seventeen a game. But they just clearly did not mesh
his personalities, you know. And then of course he went
to Houston and he played with James Harden and that
didn't work, even though you know, statistically he was good.
(33:39):
Then he tried back in Atlanta and actually he became
seen as a really good teammate when the Lakers won
in the Bubble. But why can we play that for you,
because we in fact can. Let's get to our pick
of the day. Okay, sir, the bet is to you.
Maybe it's time for the pick of the day. We've
(33:59):
been killing it with a He's baseball pick. So why
stop now?
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Right?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Why stop now? I got one for you the yesterday
We told you it was really easy. Right, Just take
the Dodgers. You know their minus two seventy five yesterday,
the minus two seventy five today. Put whatever money you can,
knowing you're gonna you're gonna make that money back. And
I think you could do that as well today. You
know what I love about this bet today is that
(34:26):
I think you can you can not only go with
the Dodgers, but I think you could go with the over.
It's at nine and a half. Tony Gonsolin's pitching, and
Tony Gonsolin's he's solid, you know, era in the mid fours,
but and he hasn't been great since the All Star break.
Hogan Harris, who's a lefty, is going for the Oakland A's.
He's got a six point seventy ra A. It's only
(34:48):
his sixth career start. By the way, Oakland is too
in ten and Harris's twelve appearances. Now that can be
deceiving because they're two inten and just about any twelve
game stretch. I just think the is going to be
flying around to day, just like it was flying around
last night. You know A's were kind of buried, but
Lanslim's not great. Last night was six nine runs scored
(35:09):
this one, it's nine and a half. I take the
Dodgers and the over. That's it for the end the
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