November 11, 2025 • 24 mins
Doug shares his story of attending the Packers game on Monday Night. Doug reacts to Dan Patrick's take about Jordan Love. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Aqib Talib makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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iHeartRadio app welcome in.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do. I had
a great experience last night.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And I wanted to share it with you on what
I learned from that great experience. And I already knew this,
but it does become confirmation bias.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
What I knew was that it's the old Jerry Sloan expression.
If you start listening to the fans soon you'll become one.
And you guys ever heard that one before.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
So I'm sitting in third row in the end zone
Lambeau Leap area, and the game last night was, uh,
probably hard on the eyes to watch on TV. There
was obviously a lot of booing that took place in
the stadium, and I found it to be the whole
thing to be eye opening in terms of what I
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thought became what I knew, which is, God, fans are
just obnoxious and the worst.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Here you have on one team.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
You had the Philadelphia Eagles, who won a game in
the exact way in which they always win games. It's ugly,
and then they have one or two plays that break
open the game. They get a lead and they grind
you out and find a way. That's how they won
a super Bowl. There's nothing spectacular about them. They have
some spectacular talent. Their bookend tackles are awesome and awesome
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and gigantic. And you know, Jalen hurch is okay, you know,
he misses on a couple of throws he should make.
He's solid as hell. He runs it, sometimes he throws it.
Sometimes he throws the ball at the right times. He
does most of the right things. Seigw and Barclay were watching.
He did nothing all night except for one little dump
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down into the flat becomes almost like a Madden highlight,
and then they throw to DeVante Smith for a touchdown.
Bang bang, Now they have a lead and they never
gave it up. But my point was, it's a lot
like listening to Jay stew talk about the Dodgers, where
the end is the year everybody sucks, they're all idiots
there they end up winning a World Series despite all
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of his concerns. My thing is this, there's so many
things as fans we don't know. So many things we
don't know, and the more you listen to them, they're
all the same.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
You lose and everybody's got to be fired. That's not
the way it works. It's just not.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But now in fandom it's become even worse because between
sports radio X, any sort of social platform, the reddits
of the world, you name it, there's a million ways
to get your voice out there, so people are more
empowered to boo more than they were previously. Like in
a zero zero game or a three zero game, or
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a ten to seven game, why would you have the
game is very much was very much in doubt. Don't
get me wrong, both coaches bizarre decisions down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I do not understand.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But the everybody's got to get fired because we didn't
perform that well is so fucking stupid. It's just I
can't even take it. And that's what I heard in
stands at Lambeau. Despite the fact it's still awesome, nobody's
on their cell phone, everybody in the game, and no
real halftime entertainment.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
It's just about football.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Unfortunately, most people who watch football games think they know football,
and not enough of us are willing to be like
myself and say, yeah, at the end of the day,
I don't really know it, so I side with the
people that do know it.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
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Speaker 3 (04:03):
App Let's get to What the Fox Says, and now
the Fox Say every day.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
This time that I got leap showing the Bones podcast,
we play for you a previous portion of Fox Sports
Radio Fox Sports One show. We call it what does
the Fox Say? Here's Dan Patrick talking about Jordan Love
and the Packers.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
It feels like he's a top ten quarterback, but he
doesn't play like a top ten quarterback. He has those
glimpses and he's getting paid like he's a top ten,
top five quarterback. But I'm watching last night. I kept thinking,
this defense is really good. That offense is not good
at all. But I'm watching last night and I kept thinking,
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come on, guys, let's go, let's get going. And it
never happened. You know, When the season began, I started
to look at Green Bay and green Bay and the
Rams were the other two teams I thought of, aside
from the Lions to represent the NFC. I thought that
much of them, and then you added Parsons and I thought, Okay,
now we're gonna get something special here. You thought sturdy
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offensive line, reliable run game, you got a respected head coach,
and you've got a quarterback on the rise. And then
now they're five to three and one, and in those
three losses they've scored thirteen, sixteen and seven points. I
need more out of a quarterback than I'm paying two
hundred and twenty million dollars. And it's not like the
Packers are broken. But if you don't start scoring some points,
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that championship window is going to close a whole lot
quicker than you thought.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Uh, it's it's true.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Now, obviously, losing Tucker Craft changes them.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And then you're throwing.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
To a wide receiver who has converted to a cornerback
who's back to a wide receiver. Uh, there doesn't appear
to be a ton of rhythm. They run the ball
almost excessively, and it's hard to figure out.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Why. There just aren't a lot of exposive plays. Now.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
On the other hand, they were going against an Eagle
team that they didn't really have an explosive play until
it was basically like a dump down to sakuon Barkley.
So I do think one of the things missing in
the discussion was it ain't like Philadelphia's offense and they've won,
was anything spectacular. But yeah, there's something going on with
the Packers offense and it's not good. This is Colin
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Cowhert talking about Michael Parsons.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
I don't know if you noticed this last night with
Michaeh Parsons. He didn't have a sack, he didn't have
a quarterback hit. Let me check the stats. Oh, it's
the second straight game, no sacks, no quarterback hits. Remember
when the Cowboys traded him, the reaction was completely over
the top. You were only allowed one opinion. This is
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a heist for the Backers. Oh, they stole him from
Jerry and the Cowboys. But there was this one singular
voice in the Americans ortch Land can escape. Just a
tiny humble voice from a tiny humble man, me who said.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I get it.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I've seen Micah get engulfed by good left tackles. What
are his playoff numbers? There's a way to go at Micah. Yeah,
remember that I was the one guy that raised his
hand and said, I got a couple first round picks.
And Kenny Clark all right, green Bay last season through
nine games, six and three, green Bay this season through
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nine with Micah five, three and one.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, I would. There's a couple of things. One, he's right.
The left tackles for the Philadelphia Eagles are phenomenal, and
they are gigantic human beings.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
And Michaeh.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Parsons and I've known this previously, but then you go
and watch in person and he's tiny in comparison, like
he's undersized and has just an incredible motor. I do
think that one of the things the Packers use is
the fact that he attack attracts so much attention and
so many double teams that the idea is that freeze
other guys up doesn't always work, But yes, he does
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get swallowed up. That's an accurate depiction of what happens
at times with Michael Parsons. And also, like, look, the
way to counteract a great pass rush is to run
the football, and the Eagles ran out of a ton.
Here's Brady quinnlavar Arrington talking about the Giants firing Brian Dable.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
The truth of the matter is he's won what eleven
of the last forty four games, and the Giants ownership
has been patient, Like after that first year they go
to the playoff like okay, like they got some momentum,
but it's been an absolute collapse. There was reports he
was gonna get fired after their collapse in Denver. It
just it only felt like a matter of time with
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the way he conducted himself, the emotions you see on
the sidelines. You mentioned the blue tent situation. I mean,
all that stuff. It's just a bad look. So this
wasn't surprising to me. I think what was surprising was,
you know, general manager Joe Shane will still stay. Not
only stay, he'll be a part of the decision making
process in the next head coach.
Speaker 8 (09:14):
Super Bowl Champ defensive Captain Antonio Pierce, Baby, I put
his hat in the ring for a coach. He got
a raw deal in Las Vegas. Let's go with Antonio Pierce. Everyone,
Antonio Piers, Yes.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, I know. How did he get a raw deal
with the Raiders? You know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I don't even know what what LeVar is talking about.
And just hiring him because he's a Giant, like they're
gonna need an offensive guy because you have a tremendous
chance to have a big time quarterback. Uh, and they're
gonna continue to get better and better players. I would
agree that felt like it was only a matter of time,
but I would disagree with the timing of it makes
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no sense to me.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Write it out. See what he does with this group,
and then if you want to get rid of him,
you get rid of him. That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Let's find out who what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And now it's your annoying, so Doug.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
John Gruden has carved out this strange career path where
he's just one of the white guys at barstool. John
Gruden with the hot take, and this is kind of
served up for you, Doug. You can take it from here.
Hot take on Thursday Night football.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Let's start with Thursday night football.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Man, what a treat.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It is no preparation, no times to recover, no chance
get rid of these Thursday night games.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Jump them. It's not fair to the players.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
It's not fair to the coaches who goes.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Out and tries to perform at a high level with
no preparation.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Dump these games.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Sounds great, right, sounds real, sounds tough. Sound Dump these games.
Just get rid of these games.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Dump them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
The reality is you're not going to do because there's
too much money. It's just such a like, it's just
such a It sounds like a politician, right, where politicians
promise things or suggest things that have zero chance of
actually happening.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Right, that's what Gruden said. Ah, let's just dump these games. Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
What are you doing with that lost revenue? Oh you
don't have a plan for that? Okay, then actually shut
the fuck up.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Next, speaking of politicians, I want to say your analogy
yesterday was the government shut down as it relates to
the Disney Google negotiation. This is this is I guess
the personification of your analogy. Sure, and that Disney at
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all turns and all their employees when asked about the negotiation,
they basically point their finger at the other guy, asked
the other guy, it's his fault. That's why we're in
this spot. Bob Iger went on the Banning Cast last
night and was not asked at all about this dispute.
(12:42):
So think about the balls of doing this. Think about
the balls of going on a platform that you know,
ten million YouTube TV subscribers can't watch, and then not
even having the I guess the political savviness or awareness
to have like a softball question, like I'm not even
(13:04):
I'm not being hard on the Mannings, just like ask
a softball question.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
So that why wouldn't you be hard in the Mannings?
Speaker 6 (13:09):
I understand for avoiding something that is on the mind
of the public.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, why, but why wouldn't you be hard in the Mannings?
Why wul't you say, you know.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
I wouldn't be hard on any any enterprise that had
a president of the company or anything like that that
would not ask him a direct question about something that's
impacting NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I thought that was the reason that he was going
to be on, didn't you.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
I mean, you assumed right when he's.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
It's exactly what I assumed.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I assumed the reason he was on was to give
whatever their spiel is on you know, the woe is me.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
We want everybody to see our product. I thought that's
what it was going to be. So what was it.
What did they talk about instead? If you're not talking
about the carriage, just what did they talk about?
Speaker 6 (13:58):
They just talked about sports in Bob's life and his
lame duck status with Disney and what ESPN is meant
to sports. It just like really general shit, and they
steered clear. They completely ignored something that many people, again,
many people couldn't watch it. And I'm going to lay
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this out one more time. If you pay ninety five
dollars for YouTube TV and you add the NFL Sunday
ticket package that's another I'm not even sure how much
per month, but I think it's like five hundred bucks
right total, And then you pay for ESPN Plus, which
is a part of the Hulu bundle, for thirty bucks
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more a month. You were unable to watch the Monday
night football game each of the last two Mondays, and bye.
Bob Iger could have very least offered up some kind
of a statement showing that he feels for his consumers, right,
(15:01):
just like some kind of outreach from a hundreds of billionaire,
hundreds of millionaire, Like, I understand your complaints. This looks
very petty between two trillion dollar mega corporations and you're
the one that's that's dealing with this. We apologize, but no,
they won't even concede that because I guess that would
(15:24):
be given in or taking some culpability and they can't
just blame the other side. So that's annoying to me.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
To me, it's they didn't ask him like they booked
him on it and then talked about what sports meant
to Bob iiker I and that that sounds like just
such an ego play. He wanted to be on. He
probably loves the Mannings, wanted to be on the Maning cast.
I don't know what do we do here when we
get this carriage? Just let's just not ask about it,
like no, you have to ask about it as as
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bad on so many levels. And yes you can be
critical of the man because you know, look, if you
want to do this deal, hey, we want to have
by Bygren, we got to ask you one question, just
one question about it.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
They didn't ask one question. That's embarrassing.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
Emmanuel Acho, he's the guy. What he's about to say
I think was done tongue in cheek. You got the
listeners could could look at the video and see if
you're serious. It's not obvious to the naked eye, and
I don't I don't consume enough of his content to
know if he's joking here. If it is tongue in chic,
then his co host James Jones uh bought it. But
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I will say this, what you're about to hear, I
think is a sentiment in this country. It's an opinion
held by many people, and the sentiment is growing because
each week that Stefanski chooses to not play a door
in a losing season where you have nothing to lose,
then the pressure from this community is going to become
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that much larger. So this is a manual aacho on
the Browns quarterback situation.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
There's no way you would continue to roll out Dylan Gabriel,
who the fans are tired of seeing, shady tars, the
team tired of seeing, the public perception and personas are
tired of seeing, and his offense is tired of seeing.
There's no way you can continue to do this ignorantly
if you're not saying if Kevin Stefanski says your Doordan
not playing the season, all of Black America will ride, Well,
why can't everybody go right? But you can't be mad
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if every hood cape Bleu LeVar, every season job, everybody.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Rioting that that does not feel like doing and cheek,
I do I think he actually he's rioting, No, but
he actually is. Basically, he's saying this is a racist thing.
I mean, dude, I get that. And and honestly that
tracks right. His whole career was based upon these uncomfortable
uncomfortable conversation with the black man, right, which is a
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New York Times bestseller. I actually I also again part
of this. Over the last five years, I've learned his
I didn't realize that New York Times bestseller has nothing
to do with how many books are actually sold.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Did you guys know that? Yeah, it's a weird one.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Anyway, it actually tracks everybody and everything is racist.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Everybody and everything is racist. Just just just remember I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I I don't what is the point of the conversation
or what is the point saying it's annoying that he
wants to make everything into racism.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
I just think that even if he is exaggerating or
if his tongue in cheek, people actually feel what he's saying.
Like you see this same sentiment online that the Browns
are compromising their own ability to win, to prove shoudure
a lesson that you're going to have your place. I
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didn't mean to draft you, and we're going to take
it out on you by not playing you. I think
people actually feel that way. So that's annoying to me.
That is Gruden Thursday Night should go away, Bob Iger
not even addressing the situation, and Aujo.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Wow, this is.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
A hard one today because the last two are really
really annoying things, and the first one is pretty annoying
as well. Uh, I'm gonna I'm actually gonna do that
having Bob Iger on during a carriage dispute which has
lasted through two Monday night football games, and not asking
about it.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 8 (19:35):
I do.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Because we can.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
So this is uh, this is continuity. I think this
is what you would call this continuity to prove my
point that I just made that there are feelings that
there's some kind of vendetta against Dion and Shaduur Sanders
keep to leave. I guess he does a podcast on
Gilbert Arenas's forums. He's there with Skip Bayless and he
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says the word it's vendetta, Doug.
Speaker 10 (20:06):
It's some boys shit going on while he went in
the fifth and it's clear as day that it's still
some boys shit going on with him before before we
get two and ten. Let's try to win a game.
We got a good run game, we got a defense.
Let's try to fucking win a game. What we're doing,
you're throwing them in a mess.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
That's what's the mess.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
The message.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
He's the mess. Success all the run game ain't a mess.
Speaker 8 (20:24):
The defense ain't a mess.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Kevins s the fassi's job is on the line, right Yeah,
what would save it?
Speaker 6 (20:29):
If he threw Sor in.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Here and they won their last five games, he would
keep his job and everything would be honkey dory.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Now he'll still be fired on the jump.
Speaker 10 (20:36):
Okay, it's from the jump with your with yo hating
as you got a personal vendela against him, Get the
funk on. He should have been freed, So get the
funk on, bro, because you got a personal vendeta.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
That's why he won. Play not look at it.
Speaker 10 (20:47):
He don't won his last five.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Get the fuck on.
Speaker 10 (20:49):
No matter what the fast he got a goal, Bro.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Maybe he tied in with.
Speaker 10 (20:51):
Dylan Gaber because they all got the same agent and ship.
We just got them personal ties to daling. That's what's
the fast. He got got personal tie to dinner.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
We're just making stuff up.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I ain't making up making that.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Nothing can do the research.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Does he have the same agent? Why would he have
a personal vendetta against Shador Sanders? Like again, I I've
actually had to keep to Leiban. I like him. He's
a fun personality. Right, there's a guy that is a
complete fuck up off the field and it forever hindered
his his his football career. But among the stupid shit
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that said on podcast is stuff like this, like again Amanuaco,
sorry dude, but saying.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
You should riot because should? If should? Sanders doesn't play?
What the fuck is the matter with you? Guys?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Like I know, like what, like what is wrong with you?
Are you that fucking stupid? And I think the answer
is yes? And you could sit there and go didn't
they keep to leave? His brother got His brother was
like a youth coach that got into a fucking fight, right, Like,
there's all.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Kinds of like this.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
These are the people who are calling calling this to
be racist. You got Amnuaco who made his career based
upon calling white people racist and during the during the
you know the woke era, and then you have a
keep de Lee saying things that again are just.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Probably fucking stupid. Let alone falls.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So the head coach of a team that drafts the
quarterback and they keep that quarterback while trading away to
veteran quarterbacks has a vendetta against the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Oh yeah, by the way, their highest.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Paid player, who's also a quarterback, just so happens to
also be black. And by the way, the quarterback who
they're playing instead of playing Shador Sanders is Polynesian, not white.
So so help me out. Why are I'm almost mad
at you, Jason, but for bringing this to my attention.
I don't know why it's out there. I don't know
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why anybody would listen to these people. They're fucking idiots
that they actually think that shit. And then, like I said,
are you making it up? Do they have the same
agent or do you actually know this? Do you actually
know it? You tell me last year it was you
gotta fire whatever coach and hire Deon Sanders. Deon Sanders
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might get fired at Colorado, He'll be available, right. I
just we have fucking idiots that work in podcasts and
this is it's the same thing that's happening in some podcasts,
and like, some of it is great because there's a
lot of people that were learning about that were former
athletes that are really fun, funny, tell great stories. Julian
(23:37):
Edelman's won what's the point guard?
Speaker 3 (23:40):
God?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
He played at he played at Kentucky. Jeff Tigue's awesome, right,
So some of it is it's opening up our eyes
to guys that previously would have had to go on
and work their way up at ESPN and maybe their
their personality would get kind of gett nullified. So some
of the podcast stuff is good. The problem with it
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is that there's very little filtering of guys that don't
know what the fuck they're talking about, you know, I
mean even Gilbert Renez, who I know he's involved in
this latest stuff, Like Gilbert says shit that is laughably false.
But because he's Gilbert and because he's kind of made
it in the podcast world, they've been played.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Is he with is he with Amazon?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Now?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
They bumped his podcast up to Amazon? He's on covering
games whatever? Like I don't know, I just know that
these are among the stupidest shit, stupidest things I've ever heard.
One we should riot if Chador doesn't play, and that
Kevin Stefanski has a personal vendetta against Shador Sanders and
he has the same agent as Dylan Gabriel. That's why
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he's playing Dylan Gabriel. I guess we play it because
we can't. That's it for the End of Motives podcast.
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I'm Doug Gottlie
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Brought up Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app welcome in.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do. I had
a great experience last night.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And I wanted to share it with you on what
I learned from that great experience. And I already knew this,
but it does become confirmation bias.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
What I knew was that it's the old Jerry Sloan expression.
If you start listening to the fans soon you'll become one.
And you guys ever heard that one before.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
So I'm sitting in third row in the end zone
Lambeau Leap area, and the game last night was, uh,
probably hard on the eyes to watch on TV. There
was obviously a lot of booing that took place in
the stadium, and I found it to be the whole
thing to be eye opening in terms of what I
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thought became what I knew, which is, God, fans are
just obnoxious and the worst.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Here you have on one team.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
You had the Philadelphia Eagles, who won a game in
the exact way in which they always win games. It's ugly,
and then they have one or two plays that break
open the game. They get a lead and they grind
you out and find a way. That's how they won
a super Bowl. There's nothing spectacular about them. They have
some spectacular talent. Their bookend tackles are awesome and awesome
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and gigantic. And you know, Jalen hurch is okay, you know,
he misses on a couple of throws he should make.
He's solid as hell. He runs it, sometimes he throws it.
Sometimes he throws the ball at the right times. He
does most of the right things. Seigw and Barclay were watching.
He did nothing all night except for one little dump
(02:06):
down into the flat becomes almost like a Madden highlight,
and then they throw to DeVante Smith for a touchdown.
Bang bang, Now they have a lead and they never
gave it up. But my point was, it's a lot
like listening to Jay stew talk about the Dodgers, where
the end is the year everybody sucks, they're all idiots
there they end up winning a World Series despite all
(02:28):
of his concerns. My thing is this, there's so many
things as fans we don't know. So many things we
don't know, and the more you listen to them, they're
all the same.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
You lose and everybody's got to be fired. That's not
the way it works. It's just not.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But now in fandom it's become even worse because between
sports radio X, any sort of social platform, the reddits
of the world, you name it, there's a million ways
to get your voice out there, so people are more
empowered to boo more than they were previously. Like in
a zero zero game or a three zero game, or
(03:11):
a ten to seven game, why would you have the
game is very much was very much in doubt. Don't
get me wrong, both coaches bizarre decisions down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I do not understand.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But the everybody's got to get fired because we didn't
perform that well is so fucking stupid. It's just I
can't even take it. And that's what I heard in
stands at Lambeau. Despite the fact it's still awesome, nobody's
on their cell phone, everybody in the game, and no
real halftime entertainment.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
It's just about football.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Unfortunately, most people who watch football games think they know football,
and not enough of us are willing to be like
myself and say, yeah, at the end of the day,
I don't really know it, so I side with the
people that do know it.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
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Show weekdays at three pm Eastern Pacific on Fox Sports
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Speaker 3 (04:03):
App Let's get to What the Fox Says, and now
the Fox Say every day.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
This time that I got leap showing the Bones podcast,
we play for you a previous portion of Fox Sports
Radio Fox Sports One show. We call it what does
the Fox Say? Here's Dan Patrick talking about Jordan Love
and the Packers.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
It feels like he's a top ten quarterback, but he
doesn't play like a top ten quarterback. He has those
glimpses and he's getting paid like he's a top ten,
top five quarterback. But I'm watching last night. I kept thinking,
this defense is really good. That offense is not good
at all. But I'm watching last night and I kept thinking,
(04:43):
come on, guys, let's go, let's get going. And it
never happened. You know, When the season began, I started
to look at Green Bay and green Bay and the
Rams were the other two teams I thought of, aside
from the Lions to represent the NFC. I thought that
much of them, and then you added Parsons and I thought, Okay,
now we're gonna get something special here. You thought sturdy
(05:06):
offensive line, reliable run game, you got a respected head coach,
and you've got a quarterback on the rise. And then
now they're five to three and one, and in those
three losses they've scored thirteen, sixteen and seven points. I
need more out of a quarterback than I'm paying two
hundred and twenty million dollars. And it's not like the
Packers are broken. But if you don't start scoring some points,
(05:30):
that championship window is going to close a whole lot
quicker than you thought.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Uh, it's it's true.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Now, obviously, losing Tucker Craft changes them.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And then you're throwing.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
To a wide receiver who has converted to a cornerback
who's back to a wide receiver. Uh, there doesn't appear
to be a ton of rhythm. They run the ball
almost excessively, and it's hard to figure out.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Why. There just aren't a lot of exposive plays. Now.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
On the other hand, they were going against an Eagle
team that they didn't really have an explosive play until
it was basically like a dump down to sakuon Barkley.
So I do think one of the things missing in
the discussion was it ain't like Philadelphia's offense and they've won,
was anything spectacular. But yeah, there's something going on with
the Packers offense and it's not good. This is Colin
(06:22):
Cowhert talking about Michael Parsons.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
I don't know if you noticed this last night with
Michaeh Parsons. He didn't have a sack, he didn't have
a quarterback hit. Let me check the stats. Oh, it's
the second straight game, no sacks, no quarterback hits. Remember
when the Cowboys traded him, the reaction was completely over
the top. You were only allowed one opinion. This is
(06:49):
a heist for the Backers. Oh, they stole him from
Jerry and the Cowboys. But there was this one singular
voice in the Americans ortch Land can escape. Just a
tiny humble voice from a tiny humble man, me who said.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I get it.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I've seen Micah get engulfed by good left tackles. What
are his playoff numbers? There's a way to go at Micah. Yeah,
remember that I was the one guy that raised his
hand and said, I got a couple first round picks.
And Kenny Clark all right, green Bay last season through
nine games, six and three, green Bay this season through
(07:35):
nine with Micah five, three and one.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, I would. There's a couple of things. One, he's right.
The left tackles for the Philadelphia Eagles are phenomenal, and
they are gigantic human beings.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
And Michaeh.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Parsons and I've known this previously, but then you go
and watch in person and he's tiny in comparison, like
he's undersized and has just an incredible motor. I do
think that one of the things the Packers use is
the fact that he attack attracts so much attention and
so many double teams that the idea is that freeze
other guys up doesn't always work, But yes, he does
(08:15):
get swallowed up. That's an accurate depiction of what happens
at times with Michael Parsons. And also, like, look, the
way to counteract a great pass rush is to run
the football, and the Eagles ran out of a ton.
Here's Brady quinnlavar Arrington talking about the Giants firing Brian Dable.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
The truth of the matter is he's won what eleven
of the last forty four games, and the Giants ownership
has been patient, Like after that first year they go
to the playoff like okay, like they got some momentum,
but it's been an absolute collapse. There was reports he
was gonna get fired after their collapse in Denver. It
just it only felt like a matter of time with
(08:53):
the way he conducted himself, the emotions you see on
the sidelines. You mentioned the blue tent situation. I mean,
all that stuff. It's just a bad look. So this
wasn't surprising to me. I think what was surprising was,
you know, general manager Joe Shane will still stay. Not
only stay, he'll be a part of the decision making
process in the next head coach.
Speaker 8 (09:14):
Super Bowl Champ defensive Captain Antonio Pierce, Baby, I put
his hat in the ring for a coach. He got
a raw deal in Las Vegas. Let's go with Antonio Pierce. Everyone,
Antonio Piers, Yes.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, I know. How did he get a raw deal
with the Raiders? You know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I don't even know what what LeVar is talking about.
And just hiring him because he's a Giant, like they're
gonna need an offensive guy because you have a tremendous
chance to have a big time quarterback. Uh, and they're
gonna continue to get better and better players. I would
agree that felt like it was only a matter of time,
but I would disagree with the timing of it makes
(10:03):
no sense to me.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Write it out. See what he does with this group,
and then if you want to get rid of him,
you get rid of him. That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Let's find out who what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And now it's your annoying, so Doug.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
John Gruden has carved out this strange career path where
he's just one of the white guys at barstool. John
Gruden with the hot take, and this is kind of
served up for you, Doug. You can take it from here.
Hot take on Thursday Night football.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Let's start with Thursday night football.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Man, what a treat.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It is no preparation, no times to recover, no chance
get rid of these Thursday night games.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Jump them. It's not fair to the players.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
It's not fair to the coaches who goes.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Out and tries to perform at a high level with
no preparation.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Dump these games.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Sounds great, right, sounds real, sounds tough. Sound Dump these games.
Just get rid of these games.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Dump them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
The reality is you're not going to do because there's
too much money. It's just such a like, it's just
such a It sounds like a politician, right, where politicians
promise things or suggest things that have zero chance of
actually happening.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Right, that's what Gruden said. Ah, let's just dump these games. Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
What are you doing with that lost revenue? Oh you
don't have a plan for that? Okay, then actually shut
the fuck up.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Next, speaking of politicians, I want to say your analogy
yesterday was the government shut down as it relates to
the Disney Google negotiation. This is this is I guess
the personification of your analogy. Sure, and that Disney at
(12:22):
all turns and all their employees when asked about the negotiation,
they basically point their finger at the other guy, asked
the other guy, it's his fault. That's why we're in
this spot. Bob Iger went on the Banning Cast last
night and was not asked at all about this dispute.
(12:42):
So think about the balls of doing this. Think about
the balls of going on a platform that you know,
ten million YouTube TV subscribers can't watch, and then not
even having the I guess the political savviness or awareness
to have like a softball question, like I'm not even
(13:04):
I'm not being hard on the Mannings, just like ask
a softball question.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
So that why wouldn't you be hard in the Mannings?
Speaker 6 (13:09):
I understand for avoiding something that is on the mind
of the public.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, why, but why wouldn't you be hard in the Mannings?
Why wul't you say, you know.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
I wouldn't be hard on any any enterprise that had
a president of the company or anything like that that
would not ask him a direct question about something that's
impacting NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I thought that was the reason that he was going
to be on, didn't you.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
I mean, you assumed right when he's.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
It's exactly what I assumed.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I assumed the reason he was on was to give
whatever their spiel is on you know, the woe is me.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
We want everybody to see our product. I thought that's
what it was going to be. So what was it.
What did they talk about instead? If you're not talking
about the carriage, just what did they talk about?
Speaker 6 (13:58):
They just talked about sports in Bob's life and his
lame duck status with Disney and what ESPN is meant
to sports. It just like really general shit, and they
steered clear. They completely ignored something that many people, again,
many people couldn't watch it. And I'm going to lay
(14:19):
this out one more time. If you pay ninety five
dollars for YouTube TV and you add the NFL Sunday
ticket package that's another I'm not even sure how much
per month, but I think it's like five hundred bucks
right total, And then you pay for ESPN Plus, which
is a part of the Hulu bundle, for thirty bucks
(14:40):
more a month. You were unable to watch the Monday
night football game each of the last two Mondays, and bye.
Bob Iger could have very least offered up some kind
of a statement showing that he feels for his consumers, right,
(15:01):
just like some kind of outreach from a hundreds of billionaire,
hundreds of millionaire, Like, I understand your complaints. This looks
very petty between two trillion dollar mega corporations and you're
the one that's that's dealing with this. We apologize, but no,
they won't even concede that because I guess that would
(15:24):
be given in or taking some culpability and they can't
just blame the other side. So that's annoying to me.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
To me, it's they didn't ask him like they booked
him on it and then talked about what sports meant
to Bob iiker I and that that sounds like just
such an ego play. He wanted to be on. He
probably loves the Mannings, wanted to be on the Maning cast.
I don't know what do we do here when we
get this carriage? Just let's just not ask about it,
like no, you have to ask about it as as
(15:56):
bad on so many levels. And yes you can be
critical of the man because you know, look, if you
want to do this deal, hey, we want to have
by Bygren, we got to ask you one question, just
one question about it.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
They didn't ask one question. That's embarrassing.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
Emmanuel Acho, he's the guy. What he's about to say
I think was done tongue in cheek. You got the
listeners could could look at the video and see if
you're serious. It's not obvious to the naked eye, and
I don't I don't consume enough of his content to
know if he's joking here. If it is tongue in chic,
then his co host James Jones uh bought it. But
(16:34):
I will say this, what you're about to hear, I
think is a sentiment in this country. It's an opinion
held by many people, and the sentiment is growing because
each week that Stefanski chooses to not play a door
in a losing season where you have nothing to lose,
then the pressure from this community is going to become
(16:57):
that much larger. So this is a manual aacho on
the Browns quarterback situation.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
There's no way you would continue to roll out Dylan Gabriel,
who the fans are tired of seeing, shady tars, the
team tired of seeing, the public perception and personas are
tired of seeing, and his offense is tired of seeing.
There's no way you can continue to do this ignorantly
if you're not saying if Kevin Stefanski says your Doordan
not playing the season, all of Black America will ride, Well,
why can't everybody go right? But you can't be mad
(17:25):
if every hood cape Bleu LeVar, every season job, everybody.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Rioting that that does not feel like doing and cheek,
I do I think he actually he's rioting, No, but
he actually is. Basically, he's saying this is a racist thing.
I mean, dude, I get that. And and honestly that
tracks right. His whole career was based upon these uncomfortable
uncomfortable conversation with the black man, right, which is a
(17:52):
New York Times bestseller. I actually I also again part
of this. Over the last five years, I've learned his
I didn't realize that New York Times bestseller has nothing
to do with how many books are actually sold.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Did you guys know that? Yeah, it's a weird one.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Anyway, it actually tracks everybody and everything is racist.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Everybody and everything is racist. Just just just remember I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I I don't what is the point of the conversation
or what is the point saying it's annoying that he
wants to make everything into racism.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
I just think that even if he is exaggerating or
if his tongue in cheek, people actually feel what he's saying.
Like you see this same sentiment online that the Browns
are compromising their own ability to win, to prove shoudure
a lesson that you're going to have your place. I
(18:51):
didn't mean to draft you, and we're going to take
it out on you by not playing you. I think
people actually feel that way. So that's annoying to me.
That is Gruden Thursday Night should go away, Bob Iger
not even addressing the situation, and Aujo.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Wow, this is.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
A hard one today because the last two are really
really annoying things, and the first one is pretty annoying
as well. Uh, I'm gonna I'm actually gonna do that
having Bob Iger on during a carriage dispute which has
lasted through two Monday night football games, and not asking
about it.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 8 (19:35):
I do.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Because we can.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
So this is uh, this is continuity. I think this
is what you would call this continuity to prove my
point that I just made that there are feelings that
there's some kind of vendetta against Dion and Shaduur Sanders
keep to leave. I guess he does a podcast on
Gilbert Arenas's forums. He's there with Skip Bayless and he
(20:03):
says the word it's vendetta, Doug.
Speaker 10 (20:06):
It's some boys shit going on while he went in
the fifth and it's clear as day that it's still
some boys shit going on with him before before we
get two and ten. Let's try to win a game.
We got a good run game, we got a defense.
Let's try to fucking win a game. What we're doing,
you're throwing them in a mess.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
That's what's the mess.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
The message.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
He's the mess. Success all the run game ain't a mess.
Speaker 8 (20:24):
The defense ain't a mess.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Kevins s the fassi's job is on the line, right Yeah,
what would save it?
Speaker 6 (20:29):
If he threw Sor in.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Here and they won their last five games, he would
keep his job and everything would be honkey dory.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Now he'll still be fired on the jump.
Speaker 10 (20:36):
Okay, it's from the jump with your with yo hating
as you got a personal vendela against him, Get the
funk on. He should have been freed, So get the
funk on, bro, because you got a personal vendeta.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
That's why he won. Play not look at it.
Speaker 10 (20:47):
He don't won his last five.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Get the fuck on.
Speaker 10 (20:49):
No matter what the fast he got a goal, Bro.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Maybe he tied in with.
Speaker 10 (20:51):
Dylan Gaber because they all got the same agent and ship.
We just got them personal ties to daling. That's what's
the fast. He got got personal tie to dinner.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
We're just making stuff up.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I ain't making up making that.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Nothing can do the research.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Does he have the same agent? Why would he have
a personal vendetta against Shador Sanders? Like again, I I've
actually had to keep to Leiban. I like him. He's
a fun personality. Right, there's a guy that is a
complete fuck up off the field and it forever hindered
his his his football career. But among the stupid shit
(21:26):
that said on podcast is stuff like this, like again Amanuaco,
sorry dude, but saying.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
You should riot because should? If should? Sanders doesn't play?
What the fuck is the matter with you? Guys?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Like I know, like what, like what is wrong with you?
Are you that fucking stupid? And I think the answer
is yes? And you could sit there and go didn't
they keep to leave? His brother got His brother was
like a youth coach that got into a fucking fight, right, Like,
there's all.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Kinds of like this.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
These are the people who are calling calling this to
be racist. You got Amnuaco who made his career based
upon calling white people racist and during the during the
you know the woke era, and then you have a
keep de Lee saying things that again are just.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Probably fucking stupid. Let alone falls.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So the head coach of a team that drafts the
quarterback and they keep that quarterback while trading away to
veteran quarterbacks has a vendetta against the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Oh yeah, by the way, their highest.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Paid player, who's also a quarterback, just so happens to
also be black. And by the way, the quarterback who
they're playing instead of playing Shador Sanders is Polynesian, not white.
So so help me out. Why are I'm almost mad
at you, Jason, but for bringing this to my attention.
I don't know why it's out there. I don't know
(22:52):
why anybody would listen to these people. They're fucking idiots
that they actually think that shit. And then, like I said,
are you making it up? Do they have the same
agent or do you actually know this? Do you actually
know it? You tell me last year it was you
gotta fire whatever coach and hire Deon Sanders. Deon Sanders
(23:16):
might get fired at Colorado, He'll be available, right. I
just we have fucking idiots that work in podcasts and
this is it's the same thing that's happening in some podcasts,
and like, some of it is great because there's a
lot of people that were learning about that were former
athletes that are really fun, funny, tell great stories. Julian
(23:37):
Edelman's won what's the point guard?
Speaker 3 (23:40):
God?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
He played at he played at Kentucky. Jeff Tigue's awesome, right,
So some of it is it's opening up our eyes
to guys that previously would have had to go on
and work their way up at ESPN and maybe their
their personality would get kind of gett nullified. So some
of the podcast stuff is good. The problem with it
(24:00):
is that there's very little filtering of guys that don't
know what the fuck they're talking about, you know, I
mean even Gilbert Renez, who I know he's involved in
this latest stuff, Like Gilbert says shit that is laughably false.
But because he's Gilbert and because he's kind of made
it in the podcast world, they've been played.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Is he with is he with Amazon?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Now?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
They bumped his podcast up to Amazon? He's on covering
games whatever? Like I don't know, I just know that
these are among the stupidest shit, stupidest things I've ever heard.
One we should riot if Chador doesn't play, and that
Kevin Stefanski has a personal vendetta against Shador Sanders and
he has the same agent as Dylan Gabriel. That's why
(24:43):
he's playing Dylan Gabriel. I guess we play it because
we can't. That's it for the End of Motives podcast.
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