Is Pete Carroll telling the truth about Colin Kaepernick?

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With the NHL. We just know that twenty four teams
are gonna be playing at some point. We start today
though in the National Football League, where their plants may
be altered depending on what's going on in this world
with the pandemic and preseason football. Will dive into that,
but we start out talking George about Colin Kaepernick, because
there was some news yesterday from Seahawks head coach Pete

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Carroll and talking about the former forty Niners signal caller,
a player that the Seahawks brought in a few years ago,
and from that point until now. Let's hear from Pete
Carroll right now on what's transpired on the Colin Kaepernick
front in the last I don't know week or so.
This from Pete Carroll yesterday. I regret that that didn't

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happen in some fashion. I wish we would have contributed
to it, because the gay deserved to play. I thought
at the time, I just in our situation as a
backup man, I didn't I didn't feel it was right
at that time. Those were the words of Pete Carroll
talking about why they didn't sign Colin Kaepernick, and now
Pete Carroll wishes that they would have. Wow. Interesting interesting

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comments from from from from one Pete Carroll, because I
don't know what's oude of his mouth he's talking about.
When you hear the comments of three years ago, it's hey,
we're not we're looking at him as a starter. We're
looking at Colin Kaepernick as a starter. That's why we
didn't bring him in. But I kind of feel that
Pete's message has changed a little bit from what we

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just heard in those comments there. Oh absolutely, this is
the case of uh all right. First thing is when
you look at Pete Carroll, I have to applaud Pete
Carroll from the fact of in his history he's shown
that he's willing to do whatever it takes to win,
like he did at USC which ended with the team
ended up on probation. Because you're the you're the top,

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you know what's going on. And with Russell Wilson, he
started Russell Wilson rookie five eleven. All of this after
you signed Matt Flinn. So he's gonna do what he
thinks it's best for his team. He's proven that, and
so I'm gonna take him on his word. For seventeen, Oh,
I thought Kaepernick was gonna get a job. I didn't
want to sign him because I thought he was a starter. Okay,

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all right, Pete, I'm gonna give you that. But what
about when you have Brett Huntley as your backup twenty nineteen,
you had Geno Smith. It just perplexes me because it's
it seems very easy to come back and say, oh, well,
I made the wrong decision. In seventeen you had two
whole seasons to make up for that. And I think

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that that's where it feels disingenuous by Pete Carroll, because
you had a chance to do the right thing, but
you didn't. The question is why. I think that the
reason why he is saying what he is now. And
I know that's not the question that you're answering or
that you're asking me, which I will answer in a bid,
but I think that he's saying it now because it

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feels like it's the right thing to say, that, it's
the positive thing to say that, yeah, hey, I mean
it's a mistake. I wish I would have you know,
I wish we would have done it back then when
we brought brought him in, because now is when you
say those types of things, when you look at the
landscape of where Seattle was. If Pete just wanted to
talk about the position, and this is where I'll answer

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where I think nineteen comes in. Remember one of the
things that kind of uh, I don't want to say
broke up the Seahawks, but got in the middle of
the Seahawks was when Richard Sherman and members of the
defense felt that Russell Wilson was getting special special treatment.
Remember that, remember other words, where where maybe maybe the
defenders were looking at that, Hey, Russell Wilson isn't held

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of the same accountability as we are. And guys are
maybe Pete Carroll and the Seahawks and John Schneider are
drafting maybe possible replacements for some of the guys on
the defense. But Russell Wilson never really had a challenger
at the quarterback position like you mentioned, like Brett Hunley
for you know, for when Russell Wilson took over the

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job and you know, rest in peace two Tavirs Jackson.
But Tvirs Jackson was never ever even a remote threat
to push Russell Wilson. And Brett Hunley was never a
remote threat to push Russell Wilson as a starting quarterback.
Geno Smith is now their backup. There was no way
that Gino Smith would ever obviously be the guy to

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push Russell Wilson. But when you go back three or
four years, George, and you look at where Russell Wilson
was as a quarterback, he isn't the Russell Wilson that
we look at today that maybe, you know, probably should
have gotten some m VP votes last year, like there
were some still some things where you're like, Okay, if
if we don't have Russ, maybe we could still win
with our defense. My point being this is it doesn't

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excuse it. It's a it's a different message each time.
Because now you're saying you wish you would have brought
Colin Kaepernick in when you thought that he was a starter. Well,
if he's a starting caliber, that puts pressure on Russell Wilson,
which is something that you have never shown that you've
wanted to do during your tenure there. And that's why
I just feel like he's trying to say the right
thing at this time. And I don't know how productive

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that sort of thing is because I don't I don't
think it's genuine. I don't think that he feels that way. Well,
the thing is is that you have the power to
change it. I think that that's the that that's the issue.
And I don't think that you have to bring in
a somebody to compete with your franchise quarterback, because uh's
Russell Wilson, the Hall of Fame quarterback. So you know,

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you don't bring in somebody to push Peyton Manning or
Aaron Rodgers that that's your quarterback it's a different position
because if you have to two starting caliber quarterbacks and
you really have none. But that's my point. But that's
my point, George of like starting interrupt, But when he's saying,
like I look back and thought at that point, like
now I wish we would have Well why would you

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do that? Like when I get it, I get it
in ten, right, so I can buy it for seventeen,
But eighteen, if you thought that that was the right thing,
then then in ten when he didn't get a job,
then you know that it was that that would have
been the right thing to do. Because Pete Carroll always
talks about iron sharpen and iron competition in practice makes

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the team better, and that that's what his his players
have said as well. So why wouldn't you have bring
somebody into put for the backup job? Or if you
were so concerned about Colin Kaepernant getting a job, why
didn't you just sign him in a preseason, let him
go through one in the offseason, let him go through
learn the system, get back in shape, have a good preseason,

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and then agreed to cut him. That way he could
go somewhere else where he could be a starter. We
see teams do favors like that for people all the
time because they want to get him a chance to
get back in the league. It's happened time over over time.
This is just a case where the league in general

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was like, hold up, let's be super cautious about this,
even though this man didn't commit a crime, even though
he did not do anything. I mean, he only donated
a million of his own dollars, showed up without the publicity,
all of that, and and then he couldn't get a job.
Yet you still have people like Michael Vick, who I'm

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a fan of his transformation and all of that. So
this is not a Michael Vick bash, but Michael Vick
who had the dog fighting and abuse, he was able
to come back in the league even though and they
didn't care about the back last and you know the
same thing with Ray Rice, even though the league had
seen the video at first, then once it came out,
they did something else. Kareem huntback. You see what I'm saying. Yeah,

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And I think the the guy though the the real
example is Eric Reid, the guy who was kneeling next
to Colin Kaepernick, the guy who also spoke out and
his he had an NFL team, But I don't think
that Eric Reid was in the spotlight. You know, it
wasn't the same correct correct. So so when you're an
NFL owner, you're an NFL head coach, because we're talking

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about Pete Carroll. Eric Reid is not going to bring
that type of attention to your team because he's not
the starting quarterback. Starting quarterback has it and there are
so many people that would point to, oh, his team
was bad his last few years, but his past year
in San Francisco, uh, sixteen touchdowns, four interceptions. I mean,

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if Nathan Peterman is still on a roster, if Matt
Job and all these people are still on a roster,
you can't make sense of saying that that Colin Kaepernick
is is not not only worthy of being on a roster,
but but should be in competition for some of the
lower tiers starting spots. I I get, I get all that.

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And this is the point, George, that I don't think
that I don't know if people don't want to talk
about it or it's just not thought of. Colin Kaepernick
is not taking Nathan Peterman's rookie deal to play in
the National Football League. That is not happening, and the
price of what it would cost to sign Colin Kaepernick

(09:48):
is something that I haven't heard anybody talk about because
I think that is truly what is going to be
the reason why Colin Kaepernick plays in the National Football
League again, or isn't playing the National Football League again,
or at least gets that shot, because I don't know
if you're a team Marcus Mariota right now, for example,

(10:08):
is gonna make seven and a half million dollars next
season to be the backup to Derek Carr with the
Las Vegas Raiders. Does Colin Kaepernick wants seven and a
half million dollars to be a backup quarterback in the
National Football League. I don't know that that answer. I
do know that he reportedly had asked for twenty million
dollars to play in the Alliance, the Football league that folded,

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you know, a little over a year ago. So you're
gonna wouldn't you go ahead? Yeah? But doesn't doesn't make
sense though, Like if you're going to take a job
somewhere that you know that you don't belong in a
lower tier place, that yeah, you're going to ask for
a top tier money even though that that's just a
a report. We don't have that for a fact or
no it or anything like like that. That's just speculation

(10:52):
in rumors that have been been heard. But I don't
think that the money would be an issue. I think
that if somebody is expecting him to take the minimum,
that's actually that's actually absurd and um and unreasonable because
when you look at quarterback, because his league minimum will
be somewhere around a million bucks. But when you look

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at the backup quarterback money, you got Colt McCoy with
the Giants making two point to five, Jeff driscoll with
the Broncos two and a half, Andy Dalton three million,
So Chase Daniel, who's thrown about fifty passes his old
career uh three and a half million. So that's where
Colin Kaepernick I think should fit. Like being that he

(11:36):
hasn't played in a few years, he should fit somewhere
in between that two million to three million with bonuses
if he ends up playing or starting or something. See,
And that's what where I look at it and say,
and I don't disagree with those numbers. I actually think
that that's probably what you're thinking. But now you're getting
into a negotiation, and if you're an NFL team, you're saying,

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the guys have played in an NFL game team since sixteen?
Like what what? Like? What are we doing now? If
you're Colin Kaepernick, you're saying, do you realize that when
I signed with your team, my jersey is gonna be
the most popular selling jersey in the National Football League
for that time of how much I'm bringing. I don't
think Colin Kaepernick signs for three million dollars a year.
I don't. I don't think that's the case. He didn't
want to take a five million dollar pay cut to

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join join the Broncos, and neither team, the Niners or Broncos,
wanted to pay that much of the salary. John Elway
years back said, will pay you know, seven million dollars
Niners if you want to pay the rest. They said, no, thanks.
Kaepernick couldn't take a pay cut, so he doesn't go
to Denver in that trade. I don't think Colin Kaepernick
takes a deal that was worth three million dollars at
at absolutely do, because way you do you do? Do

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you see what Jameis Winston just took to go to
the Saints. He's got a chance to make I think
seven million dollars or something like that if all the
bonus ish. So if you put Colin Kaepernick on a
deal and you say, all right, we're gonna give you
two and a half three and a half million dollar
there's but there's escalators in the deal which are in
all backup well all notable backup quarterback deals where if

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you end up starting, you can make another two three,
five eight million dollars depending on how you perform and
then the team subsequently performs. So if you put him
to that, then yes, that's something any sensible person would
sign because you get a chance to make a lot
of money if you perform, and there's not a lot

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of risk to the team because you don't have to
sign him to a three year deal with guaranteed money. No,
you can say, all right, dude, we're gonna bring you in.
We're gonna give you a shot. We'll give you half
a million dollars to sign, like we give everybody else
two and a half million. Coming here, will give give
you a shot. See what happens. We're gonna continue this
conversation because I I understand what you're saying, but he's

(13:51):
been out three years. There's his value that he looks
that that he's worth and I'm not sure that a
team that would sign him has a question at quarterback.
We've heard a lot about it. Hey, the chief should
sign him, and I I think Dan Patrick said as much today,
like Doug has said as much on on the network,
And there's no way he's gonna play behind Patrick Mahomes
unless there's you know, there's there's some sort of injuries,

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there's oh, that's the optimal spot, somewhere where he doesn't
have to play. He's been out of ball for three years,
that's the best place for him to be. And then
he doesn't reach any of those incentives, so then he
two million dollars. That's what I'm saying is he's not
going to accept the deal when he knows that he
would absolutely know the The The point is, Dan is

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that he's got to get back in the league first,
and and and easy in getting in there, because even
when you're the backup quarterback, you still get a chance
to go through preseason play games. Patrick Mahomes missed a
couple of games last year and you have Matt Moore
come in. So if you're behind a starter, You'll still

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probably find some time on the field to make your
money for the next season without that expectation that's set
up for Phil here because you've been out for three years.
The backup role is the optimal spot for him right now.
He's George rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer. This is the
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are sitting in for Doug today. Glad to have you

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what Colin Kaepernick would be paid. There's another organization that
can't agree on money either. We'll tell you how that
could hold up their season next year on Fox Sports Radio.

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on Twitter, you can do so. It's at Dan Buyer
on Fox Joining us now to talk major League Baseball.
I got You can find on Twitter at Bill Shaking
and also read him in the l A Times covering
America's past time. Bill Shaking Jones is here on Fox
Sports Radio. Hey Bill, Happy Friday. How are you doing.
I'm doing well. How are you? We're doing doing spectacular?
And because because I'm thinking and I'm just I'm deducting

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from what I'm seeing. I I see one fourteen, and
I see fifty, and I see eighty two, and I
see maybe fifty some and now I see seventy nine
games from the Union, and maybe the owners want to
come back with seventy or something. Are we finally bridging
a gap to agree on how many games are going
to be played? If these two sides can get an

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agreement to have a Major League Baseball season? Are we
Are we getting closer than than we ever have before.
I think We're getting closer in the sense that, as
Commissioner Manfred said on national television the other night, there's
gonna be a season. The question really is not how
many games are we going to have, but how much

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money are the owners willing to pay the players for
those games. And while the owners have made various offers,
they've packaged roughly the same amount of money in different ways.
So sometimes it's a sliding scale of pay cuts. Sometimes
it's a certain amount of pay cuts for everybody. Sometimes

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it's a pool of money, but it's it's not going
up much towards the player's direction. Uh. And the owners,
of course would tell you that the players asking they're
way too much for too long of a season, given
the medical risks. But where we really are is that
the owners believe that in agreement that says the payers

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will be paid on a pro rated basis, meaning if
you have half a season, the players will get of
their salary. The owners say, but we're not gonna have
any fans, so you have to come back and renegotiate
the salary because obviously we're not gonna make as much
money without fans as we would with fans. And the
players said, well, that's not what the agreement says, And

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the owners said, well, come back and talk about it
with us. Anyway, and that's kind of where we're stuck.
The owners have not come off demanding that the players
lower their salary rate from full pro rated salaries, and
until that happens, you're left with the owners deciding to
impose the season, which they can do. Bill. Is this

(18:33):
just a perfect storm of events where you have the
players were already starting to be angry intents over the
last couple of years, with big name players having to
wait on deals, and then you have the c b
A coming up, and now you have the pandemic potential
shortened season. Is this the perfect storm of events for

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missing a foot I'm missing a baseball season in a sense,
and I think that was part of the reason man
Fred said the other night, Look, we're gonna have a season.
One way or the other. We will have a season.
But the trouble is that when the owners go to
the players and say, trust us work with us on
this salary issue, and you can trust us to work

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with you on something else, the players look back at
the past two years and say, we can't trust you.
You guys negotiated a great bargaining agreement and you've used
us to kill us financially, so you know, the premise
of the game used to be get to arbitration right
and make some serious money as a player. And now
teams say, you know what, maybe if you don't agree

(19:38):
to what we're offering, we'll just release you anyway, get
the free agency a ton of money waiting in free agency. Well, now,
unless you're Mike Trout or Bryce Harper or someone of
that caliber, you know what, we can find somebody who's
younger and cheaper, because our analytics show that we shouldn't
pay older players, so we'd rather pay younger players, and
guess what, you don't have to play younger players as much.

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That's the kind of thing that the players are kind
of tired of. They got beaten up in bargaining last time.
It's not the owner's fault. Nobody forced the players to
sign a bad deal, but the players are resolute that
they do not want the owners taking advantage of them again.
So when the owners say, look, trust us longer schedule
this season, so come down on your salary and you'll

(20:21):
end up making more money in the end, to the
point where the players might actually turn down more guaranteed
salary to stick on the fact that they're not gonna
come off that they've already agreed to in terms of
a pro rated salary, sticking to their principles. Bill Shaking
joining us here on Fox Sports Radio on the Doug
Gottlieb Show. He's George Rist. I'm Dan Buyer sitting in

(20:42):
for Doug Gottlieb. You've reference this a couple of times.
If Bill, I don't think that, maybe you've heard my
other shows. But and for those that haven't, I've said
that the the Baseball Union against baseball owners is the
greatest rivalry in sports. It's better than Army Navy. There's
more hate than Ohio State, Michigan and Duke North Carolina
or you know, or in George George's case, Oregon Oregon State,

(21:03):
if you want to put put the rivalries like the
Union and players are just always butting heads. So when
you mentioned Manfred's statement on Wednesday and what he said,
was that a message to the fans or was that
a threat to the players union? What he says, We're
gonna have baseball No matter what I think it was both.

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Remember Manfred, although he's always the guy speaking because he's
the commissioner, he worked for the owners. The owners hire him,
the owners can fire him. So Manfred is in a
tough spot right now because the owners firmly believe that
the players need to come back and renegotiate on salaries.
The agreement doesn't really say that. It sort of has

(21:44):
some amorphous language that the owners are interpreting too. You
must come back and negotiate on salaries. And again, if
there was trust between the parties, you might have that negotiation.
But now the players are resolute that's not gonna happen.
So Manfred has to go back to the owners and say, well,
we we told you this agreement, Matt, it's not gonna
actually work out like that. And that's a tough position.

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So he's trying to get number one fans to understand
all these doomsday scenarios you're reading about, no baseball for
a year and a half, Baseball will die, Baseball will
be worse off than East for its you go, just
get off that we're gonna play. But he also wants
to let the players know that the next offer that's coming,
which is coming this afternoon, Um, they still want the

(22:29):
players to give on salary and they're not. So I'm
not sure how that leads to a negotiated agreement. Well,
how big of a deal is this? Or that the
league and the players union realized that the ninety four
strike did terrible damage to the league in terms of popularity.
NFL pass did, NBA's very popular as well, and are

(22:49):
they looking at hold up? We can't let that happen again.
There's been a wave of commentary over the past couple
of weeks that points out, look, you know it's right
is a hard thing to come back from, and it's
gonna be even harder now than it was in because
baseball is less popular and a lot of the money

(23:10):
that's field baseball's expansion has come from the huge amounts
of money the cable companies have paid for baseball rites.
But guess what, not a lot of people are as
into cable and satellite as they were in everybody's cutting
the cord, especially now last few months there's no sports
on TV. Hey, I'll try Hulu, I'll try Netflix, I'll

(23:31):
try YouTube TV. I don't need to be wedded to
my regional sports network. And when people cut those cords,
there's a lot less money coming in the door. And
guess what next year do you think you're gonna see
a full stadium. I mean in California, I can tell
you the Governor's made clear nobody's going into a full
stadium until we either have a vaccine for the coronavirus

(23:52):
or effective treatments. Are we going to have those by March?
I mean, I don't know, but I think it's reasonable
that attendance is going down, your media revenue, my go down. Yeah,
so it's probably not a good idea to intentionally wounded
sport right now. But they know that, the owners know that,
the players know that, and yeah, it is a little
bit crazy that they can't make a deal and get
out ahead of it. And I'll just wrap up with

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this bill shaking joining us here on the Doug gott
Leap Show. He's George Rist I'm Dan Buyer, sitting in
for Doug. What what is? What is your guests? I mean,
are we still sitting here without a date on July twelve?
Are we actually watching baseball on July twelve? Where do
you think we are? And how far away do you
think we are from things starting? I would imagine that

(24:36):
next week, one way or the other, there will be
a deal. Either the two sides will make a deal
or the Commissioner will oppose the deal, but we'll get
the clock started. Teams have about three weeks to get ready,
and you'll see baseball in mid July. There it is.
I think that's a it's all that we can hope
for now. That's best case scenario. Plus I had my
money on baseball beating basketball to real games. Bill, we

(24:58):
appreciate the time. You know, it's a crazy I wish
we could actually talk games, but we aren't. But uh,
have a great weekend. We'll do it again soon, all right,
Bill shaking of the l A Times covering Major League Baseball.
It's amazing, George, just stuff, Oh my goodness, the back
and forth. It's what an amazing rally and volleyball this
would be. But nobody coming to an agreement. Oh yeah.

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But the difference is is that they won't have a
home run chase, you know, a sixty three, sixty two,
sixty one home run chase between mc McGuire and Sosa
to really save the game and that whole campaign. Chicks
dig the long ball, all of that. That was the
thing that helped baseball come back, and that's not coming around.

(25:43):
I mean, so you're gonna need somebody else to come
save you if you are sitting out for a whole
year and a half yet, because maybe Major League Baseball
will really juice that baseball in like five years, because
fans still haven't come back kind of like they did.
It's gonna be like Bryce Harper is eighty ninth home
run of the season, league he will Phillislee afforded to

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all right, he's George Royster. I'm Dan Buyers hitting in
for Doug Gottlieb here on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure
to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show
weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. There is
some news just in for Major League Baseball. No agreement,
but now the owners are gonna submit a seventy two
game proposal to the union, according to multiple reports. Bob

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Nightingale of the USA Today, the first on it se
pro rated salaries eight percent. If the postseason is complete,
We're getting closer and close around the number of games
are only a few off. And and that's where I
think is that you know a sign of things to come.
But it's Bill said, Bill Shaking said, who just joined us, George.
The question is that the players will come off of
their quest to not take any more pay cuts following

(26:50):
their agreement in March. We'll get more into that in
a little bit. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Find
George on Twitter at George rice Ster. I'm at Dan
Buyer on Fox. And there's some new is from college football.
We've been wanting to hear from Davil Sweeney, and we
finally heard from him in a fourteen minute speech earlier
this week, George. But there was mixed reviews on how

(27:10):
Davil was handling the situation. Seems like the real leader
and clems it may not be the head football coach. Yeah,
and it is Trevor Lawrence. Their their quarterback. Like this
is a kid who came in with all the expectations
in the world. Super shy, didn't really talk to the
media too much, but you see he has been active
about his faith, but now he's also being active about

(27:32):
activism and about doing the right thing. And he actually
had a quote this this week where he said about
kind of the whole shut up and dribble or shut
up and play whatever it is with athletes. He said,
as humans were entitled to believe and what we think
is right. Even though what we do is entertainment, we

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still have values and beliefs, and any humans should want
to do what's right when they see something that's not right.
And he also went on to to to just say
that players using their platform and him specifically that it
is important to stand up and it's easy to stay
quiet because some people are gonna get mad. But his

(28:14):
thoughts on it are is that you have to use
your fans, followers, and all of that to stand up
for equality and for what is right. And so I
just wanted to applaud Trevor Lawrence for that first of all,
and being bold enough to say that, because a lot
of times it is easy to stay quiet. And we
saw Devil Sweeney he stayed quiet when Uh when things happened,

(28:36):
when the N word was flying around from one of
their coaches. He didn't handle it in the way that
you would have expected. So his UH star quarterback being
willing to speak up, I think it speaks volumes about
what's going on in the nation, but also what's going
on a transformation of let's just keep everything in the
house that they've been doing at Clemson. It's it's pretty,

(28:59):
you know, pretty spectacular considering remember when the pandemic hit
and Trevor Lawrence got in trouble because he and his
girlfriend wanted to start a fund to try to aid
the victims of COVID nineteen and and like and and
and and the rules were changed that that allowed him
to do that. But he's trying to use his position

(29:20):
not only in good for that, but now in this
He's gonna be a part of a peaceful protest coming
up on Saturday. He and some other Clemson football players,
they're going to be the the changing of of of
one of the facilities at Clemson as well. That he's
been behind that, joining DeAndre Hopkins and and Deshaun Watson
of of of trying to get a change there. He's

(29:42):
really really been impressive. And for for as much as
as we want more from Dabbo, and I mean, you
couldn't get too polar opposites with how things have been
treating not only not only with what's happened following the
death of George Floyd George, but also just during the pandemic.
Dabbo was the one that was flying back fourth between
Florida and South Carolina going to his vacation home and

(30:03):
not saying much. And here Trevor Lawrence, the player is
stepping up, and now you've got another opportunity. Uh when
when there's a lot of you know, fragile nerves and
Trevor Lawrence is using this position to stand up. Couldn't
say anything more better about the kid right now from
what he's done, truly. Yeah. Yeah, But when it goes
to dabby will applause to Trevor Lawrence. But when it

(30:25):
goes to dabble, that's the part that's confusing for me
because I see him, I see his faith, I know
what I believe. I'm like, yo, that's a good dude, right,
But then sometimes he has some stances on things and
you're like, wow, this is a little bit hypocritical, Like
when you look at his stance on paying college players
or college players being allowed to make money. He said

(30:47):
something along the lines of, oh, well, the day that
they started playing, that's the day I'm out here. Yeah, yeah,
you who got a ninety million dollar contract making money
off of the backs of mainly black athletes and just
the athletes in general. First thing, but then for you
not to be willing to stick up for them while
they're lining your pockets, making you a college football legend,

(31:11):
making you giving you championships. You need to then back
them up in getting paid, in making money. But that's
where it gets me with Dabbo is that sometimes it's
this hypocrisy that makes me question how genuine everything that
he says really is. Take a look at who has
more to lose between the two, you know, and and

(31:35):
and tell me who the leader of that program is.
Devil's got his money. As you mentioned, he's got his money.
Trevor Lawrence. The best days of Trevor Lawrence are in
his future, right, I mean, I mean, like financially, everything
is is set up for them. So when you want
to talk about having something to lose, is you know,

(31:56):
like the point is Dabbles got his. I'm not saying
the Trevor Lawrence is going to, but Trevor Lawrence doesn't
have what Dabble has and it's not even close. Now
there's maybe a day where Trevor Lawrence does, But right
now he is saying more than his head football coach,
and I think that that's pretty amazing. Yeah, he's got
a lot more to lose because people are gonna be

(32:17):
upset with the way he says things or whatever, so
there could be some backlash and people be upset, but
in reality, the right thing is always the right thing.
My tight end, my first tight end coach, I Faded Roberts,
who's the tight end coach for the San Diego l
A Chargers. Now. He told me this when I was younger,
because I did something in my personal life and I

(32:39):
was like, man, I did the right thing. I just
did it the wrong way or I did the wrong thing,
and I just did it the right way, and he
I didn't do it the right way. And he said, George,
this is a lesson for life. There is no way.
There's no wrong way to do the right thing, and
there is no right way to do the wrong thing.
So just do the right thing and if any thing

(33:00):
goes wrong or people are upset about it, it was
still the right thing and it will ultimately work out
well for you. He's George rice Ster. I'm Dan Buyer.
This is the Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
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(33:22):
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(33:44):
You've got me Dan Buyer, and you've got George Rice,
tor NFL veteran. We have got quite a Friday. It's
been a great Friday so far. And now what we
can do. George, I know this is your your first
time in sitting in on Doug Show with us and
hanging out and having some fun on This is an
opportunity for you to dust off that crystal ball that
you've had in your closet, okay, and take a look

(34:07):
into the future. How do I know this because I
have my own crystal ball and I see something coming
to us in a segment we like to call this
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Slash credit scorecard limitations apply. Ralph Irvin now joins us.
Hello Ralph, Hello, Hello, Alright in the game today? Is
now there? It is? See? I know it's see George.
I'm telling you, the psychic powers are real in this.

(34:49):
Are you in the movie Big? Right now? I've actually
got a Zoltan? Isn't that what it was called? How
about that? All right, it's pretty good movie reference. I'm
not a big movie guy, George, but I do remember Big,
and that lets you know that I'm channeling the game,
because not only have we not worked together, but I

(35:09):
also knew that you're not big on movies. But you
would know that perfect Realf, what do you got for
us today? It's psychic Well. Bears quarterback Mitch Drubisky spoke
for the first time since Chicago traded for quarterback Nick
Foles and add this to say, it was kind of
interesting to me. I mean, that's the business that we're in.
I think I was kind of piste off in a

(35:30):
good way. I've been motivated every since. I've been motivated,
um since our season ended. Last year. I didn't feel
like it went the way we wanted to and we
left a lot out there. But um, I'm excited for
this year. I think it's gonna be a good competition.
Who will start more games for the Bears this season.
Folds are rubisky. M M. That is an interesting question,

(35:53):
Mike crystal Ball sees Nick Foles getting more starts. What
are you getting to read on, George? What do you say?
I see Mitch Robinsky starting more games, but that doesn't
mean but Nick Foles is going to finish the season.
I think we're gonna be at about a nine to

(36:14):
seven of about a nine seven ratio because okay, they're
gonna give Mitch Robinsky a chance, because they're still trying
to salvage the fact that they drafted him, traded up
with the forty nine is gameaway draft picks, all of that.
They're still trying to salvage that. But Nick Foles actually
does so well in the coming in for the starter

(36:35):
role that he will actually flourish, get a big contract
in in Chicago, and then get his job taken again
by somebody else because he's not the starter. He is
the guy. He's like um like fits magic. He's not
good as the starter, but when he is in relief
and he's got that interim tag, he's absolutely awesome. I

(36:56):
will say one thing that I do believe Mitchell Trobinsky
does have going for him, and that is this the
trade of fulls brought in, the fifth year option being declined,
the starting job being up for grabs, All of that
has happened this offseason. To Mitchell Rabinsky, he no longer
has anything to protect George. He doesn't have to protect

(37:18):
his job, he doesn't have to protect the being the
second overall pick. The fact of the matter is he
is on call right now, and if he doesn't get
it done, he knows it's over. So he has nothing
to protect because he's kind of lost everything that he's
already had. And I think that could maybe free him
up a little bit coming into the season. Nope, I

(37:39):
don't trust players that say that they're just all of
a sudden motivate it now. No, you're a professional, you
should have been motivated. I'm sorry, Mr George. What do
you know you haven't played Oh, you did play in
the National Football All right, Ralph, what else he got
for us? Well, the Browns are reportedly looking to sign
defensive en Miles Garrett to a massive contract extension. Well,

(37:59):
the brown regret that decision. No, No, I know that.
I know there's the helmet swinging in all of that,
But when you have that sort of premier pass rusher,
I don't think you're gonna see an incident like that again.
Um I didn't necessarily, Uh, you know understand why Miles
Garrett acted the way that he did even after. But

(38:20):
the point is is he is an elite pass rusher.
It is something they won't regret. That's what my crystal
ball says. My crystal ball says the exact same thing.
Man has thirty and a half sacks in three seasons
and he only played ten games. Well, he's actually missed
a bunch of games. He missed six games last year.
Thirty sacks. Man, If you don't get out of here,

(38:43):
they will absolutely be a static with whatever bring struck
they back up to pay the man. This is game
time on the Duck Got Leap Show. It is amazing,
though his numbers are completely dwarfed by that one Thursday
night when when it comes to Miles Garrett. That's all

(39:04):
we seem to talk about. He is George rice Stir,
the former NFL VET. Find him on Twitter at George
rice Stir. You can find me Dan Buyer on Twitter
at Dan Buyer on Fox. Coming up next, the NBA
season may not be a sure thing. Starting in a
month and a half will tell you why. Next year,

(39:25):
be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
Just when you thought we were going to have an
NBA season and be able to crown a champion, not
so fast. One of the big headlines we are talking
about today here on Fox Sports Radio. You can find

(39:47):
George on Twitter at George rice Stir. I'm at Dan
Buyer on Fox and George. This kind of all stemmed
from a report from Chris Haynes a Yahoo Sports. You
can see him on Fox Sports One, Speak for Yourself
and other programs as well, breaking down the NBA, saying
that there is a significant number of NBA players who
are basically not keen on starting restarting the season, saying

(40:13):
they are disappointed than not everybody had a voice in
how the season would return, and to summarize, some of
the players don't feel that now is the right time
to return, not only with the health situation, but maybe
more realistically with where we are as a society with
the Black Lives Matter movement following the death of George Floyd.

(40:34):
There are some players that don't think the timing is
right to return to basketball right now. When you hear
that report from Chris Haynes, what pops up in your mind? Well, Dan,
I think we have to break it down into two parts.
The first part is about players, all their voices not
being heard about coming back, and then the second part

(40:54):
about entertainment in the climate, in the culture. So the
first thing is is, okay, should we be coming back?
It will that everybody should have had a voice. No,
that's not the way negotiations work. It's not the way
big organizations work at all. If you're dealing with a
company of ten people, then yeah, probably everybody gets a voice.

(41:15):
But that's why you have leadership. That's why you have
the union, the the the NBA p A. Chris Paul
is the president. That's why you have all these people
to do a lot of the heavy lifting and maybe yes,
there should be a a vote on some of these
things overall, but as far as each individual player having
their voice heard, no, that's why you have reps for

(41:38):
teams and all of that. That's their job to communicate
it up the ladder. How about your Yeah, that's the
name that popped out in this report was Kyrie Irving.
The Kyrie Irving's the guy who's going around trying to tell,
you know, players that hey, maybe this isn't something that
we should do. And when this agree was made with

(42:00):
the NBA, with the the Players Association, you mentioned Chris Paul,
Michelle Roberts a part of that as well, it seemed
like it was a formality, George, that this was this
is good for most of the NBA. This was like,
maybe some players would not be happy with it. Maybe
some of the players weren't happy with it because they
couldn't resume their season, but by and large, this was
gonna be good for the Players Association and they were

(42:23):
going to move on. I don't think that there would
be any trouble with some of the NBA players in
trying to formulate a plan to come back. I actually
don't think that they're two separate issues, unfortunately, because I
think what the players are trying to do is maybe
take one issue to show why they don't want to
do another thing. And and the message that that I'm

(42:45):
curious about because Kyrie Irving is the one who's kind
of bringing people together. As I mentioned, Kyrie Irving's not
even going to play, and and that's like, why is
Kyrie Irving, who was out with a shoulder injury, who's
not gonna be available for the nets. Why is he
the one who, by the way, wouldn't have to go
to Orlando for for for a month and a half.

(43:07):
Why is he the one now that is sticking up
and trying to get people together when I don't think that,
you know, like there's a bunch of guys who probably
want to play and want to resume this season. And
I'm just wondering, is he is he using the climate
because he doesn't think that, you know, a guy should
play our guys saying like I don't want to be
an Orlando for two straight months, so maybe this is
a way out of it. I just I almost think

(43:28):
that they may be using one against the other to
try to get their way. That's a that's a thought.
I mean I I looked at it. I mean I
just looked at Wait a second, is that Is that
your way of saying it's some of them one of
the dumbest things I've ever heard, Like when you say,
like that's a thought, Hey, then that's I'm gonna take

(43:50):
that as George saying that that's just moronic, that's stupid. No, no, no, no,
I don't think it's moronic. I just don't think it's it,
you know, I I do think that it's a It
is a reasonable proposition, now that I do. If I
thought it was stupid, I would say it was stupid.
But um, I do think it's a reasonable proposition. I
just think that I just looked at it as two

(44:12):
separate issues. But to get to your point about the
second issue in Kyrie Irving speaking out, I think you
have a very very valid point there because somebody who's
not necessarily involved in it. Yes, you are a figure,
a big figure in the NBA, but should you really
be the person who is arbitrating on the behalf of

(44:32):
other players whether they should go or not. You know,
it's the people who make that are going to be
a part of it. That should have the loudest voices
in the room. But the I want to get nailed
down onto the part where he said about the temperature
in the country and UH players out entertaining during this
time part. Sports has always been used to help heal

(44:58):
and break down ray show barriers. It's always been I mean,
when you look back at Jesse Owen's going to go
run in Germany, that helped the country, even though he
came back to a racist situation, not being able to
go in front doors and all of this stuff, all
of that help break racial tensions down. You look at
the Olympics down to Mexico City, racial tensions, they're all

(45:22):
all of that. Sports has always been used to do
that and it can help people heal and with the pandemic. UH.
Athletes are entertainers. That was my job, that's Kyrie Irving's job.
That's how he makes money. That's how the leagues make money.
So yes, where he said it's just to ease the

(45:43):
economic burden, yeah, but it's the economic burden for you,
the economic burden for the owners, the economic burden for
all the players. So it seems convenient for a guy
who's made like a hundred million dollars to say, ah, well,
you know it's to ease your financial burden, but no,
you are entertainers and you have a huge platform, uh

(46:04):
to speak out about social change, and truthfully, people are
going to care and pay more attention about your comments
when you're playing. That's why Colin Kaepernick, if he took
a knee in the locker room after games, it would
not have been as powerful and as noted as him
doing it on the field. So NBA players spoke up

(46:26):
when they wore the I can't breathe church. They spoke
up in other ways. Being visible and using your platform
that as an entertainer actually gives you more of a
powerful voice to help people and for change. So I
think Kyrie, who's a flat earther, is totally off base
with this as well. I I just I I don't

(46:47):
get how he can he can corral the troops and
get you know, get get you know, get all these
guys together when he's he's just not gonna suit up
like I mean, like if it was, if it was,
And I'm just gonna use Lebron James for the fact
of the matter is, the Lakers are up five and
a half games, on the Clippers for the top spot

(47:08):
in the Western Conference. They're only gonna play eight games.
The likelihood, George of the Lakers losing that top spot,
it's very slim. And I probably have to lose every
game that they played in Orlando. So if you're in
Orlando and your Lebron James and and maybe Lebron still
has a house in Miami, and it's like, you know what,
We've clinched the number one spot after three games, I'm

(47:32):
gonna go back to Miami, you know, for for a
couple of days until you know, we can start up
this playoff and start up the training camp sort of thing.
Like I understand that from a player perspective of like
why I wouldn't necessarily want to stay in Orlando if
I didn't have to, because there may be some guys
who are sitting there, you know, twiddling their thumbs for
a week because things may already be decided. I get

(47:54):
that sort of thing. I just don't get my Kyrie Irving.
The guy's not gonna just step, you know, step and
ounce onto the basketball court and won't be effective, is
the one that are doing. And now somebody say that, well,
that's that's that's why, because he's the one that's you know,
he has nothing to lose, He has the pulse sided.
I just don't think that's the case. I think you've
got to talk to the guys that are actually asked
to play those games and how they're gonna sort things

(48:16):
out to really get a feel of if this is
the right move for the NBA or not. Well, the
players Hoopers want to hoop. The Lakers don't want to
lose this season, Clippers don't want to lose this season.
You you have an opportunity to not only build on
their legacies but win a championship. You put in so
much work to get to this moment for it to

(48:36):
just be just stolen away from you for for no
fault to your own, it would be a very tough
thing for people to deal with. So, like in general,
players want to play, otherwise they would not be getting
back to work. They Chris Paul helped with Adam Silver
negotiate a way for players back. Because if the NBA
players are probably the most powerful out of all the

(49:00):
sports because their contracts are guaranteed, the stars have such
an impact that if they don't play, then a team
just can go from a playoff team to a team
that is, you know, in the lottery. So NBA players
have so much power and if they didn't want to play,
they would not be playing. So I do think though

(49:21):
then that the problem with it is is that this
is a tough ask for NBA players. Um that the
that is going to go play in Orlando because you're
gonna have to be away from your family because there's
I think you can take three players. But there are
some exceptions, like how is the Bronze supposed to take
his family from l A down there for up to

(49:44):
like sixty some days, up to like sixty three days
or something like that, sixty three sixty seven days. How
his son's supposed to start back school playing ball. Well,
Bronnie and Bryce, his daughter, his daughter and his wife
may be able to go, but I mean, like, how
do you disrupt your whole entire family's life for months.
It's a tough ask for players, I think, And I

(50:04):
think that Adam Silver, you know, as the NBA commissioner
of he's trying to balance everything and I'm not giving
him a pass because at times I think it's a
little wishy washy and how they're trying to maneuver stuff,
because there was the message at the start of the
pandemic of we want to be the first league back.

(50:25):
We want to be the league that you know, we
would be proud, you know, to to carry that banner
to show other sports leagues and you know, to get
things going. And I thought to myself, well, of course
you want to be first, because everybody wants to be first,
because everybody's gonna be interested in seeing live sports again.
But then all of a sudden, you're trying to figure
out the construction of a season. How do you do it?
So when you try to figure out, George, are you

(50:47):
balancing the health of players, are you balancing to get
the season back? Are you doing what's best for the league.
They all have different wants and needs. And that's where,
like I I'm trying to figure out, like, if it
really was about health, you probably wouldn't have twenty two
teams there, you know, one of the teams being the
Washington Wizards with five and you know, five and a

(51:08):
half games back of the final playoff spot, and try
to figure out a way to get that team into
the playoffs. So it's it's not all about health. If
you're also then developing a playing game to try to
make it competitive, So you're trying to balance all of
these things. When you're trying to balance all of these things,
you also then need to connect with the players Association.
As you said, Chris Paul Kyrie is a part of

(51:28):
the Players Association has a role in that how this
is now coming out, you know, And and maybe it
is all the climate. Maybe that's the case. I just
have a difficult time when they've tried to balance so
many different things that now this would be the thing
to railroad this league from coming back, because basically everything
is set and nothing is new, of knowing how long

(51:50):
teams would stay, and the more you win, the longer
you stay. And I would think, like, okay, that's even better,
you know, like at least you're winning in Orlando and
your season is going on. It's just it's it's very
surprising to me with everything that they've balanced and with
with with all of the things they've taken into consideration
the league and the union, that now this is this
is coming out. I just it's surprising, surprising Berry, all right,

(52:14):
So I'll relate it to this my um. When there
are times where me and my my wife would get
in an arguments, right. And one of the things that
she gets super mad about is when we're getting ready
to go on vacation because she'll spend because I don't
really plan too much of our family stuff with very
complicated schedule all of that with all the kids, and

(52:35):
she'll plan stuff and I'll just kind of, you know, yeah, yeah, babe,
whatever whatever, and it's inevitable. Once it gets close to
the end, I come with some sort of either veto
or big change that seems minor to me. I'm like, oh, babe,
we we can't leave a too. We have to leave
after seven because it is this is And she's like,

(52:56):
why didn't you say that at first? The plane tickets
are bought this And That's what Kyrie Irving is doing.
He's being like the the guy that once all the
once the foundation is laid, he comes back and says, oh, hey,
yo yo, we forgot to put the electrical pipe in,
and You're like, we just set the submit. You're the

(53:20):
Kyrie Irving of your household about you got the best
best handles, but you know you can you can cause
some damage. You can put that uh yeah, that that
kink in the uh in in the uh in the plans.
That's that's actually a really good it's a really good
analogy with all of this because Kyrie, you know, by
all intents and purposes, was a part of this, right,

(53:41):
I mean I mean, like like in really doing so.
And then now if I mean, you know, maybe him
and Chris Paul are at odds. Maybe there's some different
things going on, but it's just it's, uh, yeah, it's
just very it's it's just very very unique, especially when
it seems like the NBA had everything in order. He
is George rice Ster. I'm Dan Buyer. This is Fox

(54:02):
Sports Radio on the Doug Gottleap Shows. We were sitting
in for Doug today. Get George on Twitter at George
rice Stir and at Planned Destroyer. No I'm kidding, I'm
at Dan Buyer on Fox. Coming up next, we're gonna
talk some National Football League. Does Mitchell Trabisky really have
a chance at that starting job? And are we even
gonna see preseason games in the NFL. We'll have those

(54:23):
questions answered next here on Fox. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays
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Doug Gottlieb Show. You just don't have Doug right now,
you got me, Dan Buyer and NFL VET George Rice
Stir joining us or with us throughout the day. We're
gonna carry you out throughout the afternoon. Is dougees out today,
So we're glad to have you with us. We've talked

(54:45):
to some football of talk, some baseball talk, some hoops.
Let's get back to the gridiron. A good buddy, former
NFL scout and host of the Three and Out podcast
on the Herd Podcast Network, John Middlecoff joins us here
on Fox Sports Radio. Hey John, how are you? What's up? Fell?
What's going on? John? In in your vast experience, when
someone has a really bad idea, let's say, in a

(55:06):
scouting room, would you respond, well, that's an awful idea,
or would you say that's a thought, because I gotta
that's a thought. From George's last segment when I gave
him a theory and he was being very kind by
saying that's a thought, but I really took it as
like that was so dumb. Dan, is there is there

(55:26):
a casual way you can massage something like that. John.
You know what's funny is that they tell you in
scouting rooms and probably in any business, right, but uh,
let it fly. You know, no idea is a bad idea,
and you know, definitely with with football and just sports
in general, you can have some outrageous taste. But if
you truly believe it, like if you deep down believe it,

(55:46):
it's not really a hot take. But then sometimes you
say it and everyone's looking at you. You're like, uh so, yeah,
we hear it so much during the draft, right, like
stand up for the guys, you even don't let the
group think, and then you start pounding the table for
a player everyone's hates or I'm sure it happens in
business all the time. Uh and every every head looks

(56:09):
at you like you're crazy. Amazing stuff. That's that's amazing.
I I do want to start out with this. I
had I had to bring that up, George, I had to.
We finally heard from Mitchell Trabisky today. How much is
he gonna stand up in and try to keep this
job away from Nick Foles. I'll give him some credit.
I texted a buddy with the Bears like he's pretty

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self aware, you know, it wasn't shocking that you didn't
get you fifty year option picked up. But I don't
know if I've seen a player uh no, that probably
hasn't been that many quarterbacks but have just come out
and said, yeah, I didn't I didn't deserve it, I
didn't earn it. And I mean, he's saying something that
we all know. But I give him some credit for

(56:49):
just being able to say that. You know, most players,
most humans in general, when they fail. It's in football
and pro sports in general is a public jobs, so
you have to say it. You know, you're asked all
these questions from the media. But I do give him credit.
And you know, you talk to people with the Bears.
He is mentally tough. It's just he just gotta be better,

(57:11):
you know. It's not like the thing with him is
when you just hearing about him and knowing people with
the organization. It's not like lack of care or work
ethic or being lazy. It was just bad play. It
was just simply the guy would be wide open and
need airmail him, you know, And it really wasn't close.
I mean, let's be real, he's one of the worst

(57:32):
quarterbacks in the league last year. You know, probably a
bott of five guy. But I think that's where they
kind of looked and they go, we bring in fALS.
So it either goes two ways. Either straight up beats
them out or and they're better, or false beats them
out and they're better. Right, because they went eight and
eight with one of the worst quarterbacks in the league
last year, think about that. It's not like they went

(57:54):
they won four games. They went eight and eight. Now,
granted they won a game at the end of the
year in Minnesota, wasn't really trying, but chose you like
they were seven eight range with just hit aful quarterback play.
So I think either way, whether it you know, they
say pressure burst pipes or makes diamonds. Now, I don't
think Mitch is a diamond, but he's not. I don't
think he's as bad as he played last year because

(58:15):
he was horrendous. Oh yeah, yeah he was, and I
don't think he's gonna get any better. Talking about oh,
I'm motivated now, I don't dress players who say that
they're just motivated now. But I saw you talking about
the NFL and their potential plan for for starting the
season on time, and they put in all these protocols

(58:36):
and you were just saying this is impossible, like coaches
have been saying it's impossible to to follow. What are
you making the protocols for the NFL? Well? I think
sometimes you know, if you just asked the average fan
to be like, oh, what do you think like the
forty Niners practice cility is like they're like, it's probably massive,
and it's really not. It's pretty small. And you know, George,

(58:57):
a lot of meeting rooms are smaller than something that
you find in like a high school classroom. They're just
not that big. I mean when you think about like
the quarterbacks, for example, you don't have ten quarterbacks, you
got two or three and then the quarterback coach and
maybe the head coach. Like the rooms are small and
the cafeteria. I'm just know from experience with the Eagles

(59:19):
and being around the Niners, like the spaces are not
as big as I think you think for some multi
billion dollars, like if you went to Apple's campus, right
or Facebook, it's huge. And because you think billion dollar business,
well football you actually don't have that many people in
your company, right yet, once the theason gets cut down,
you got fifty players. You got some scouts and coaches

(59:41):
and then some sales people. It's not as big as
you think. So and you know the way the cafeterias work,
it's just food out there. People are grabbing and not
even thinking. I do think the execution of it now.
The one thing I keep saying is we're still a
month and a half away from even people showing up.
So information changing by the day. Who knows, but I

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do think if they're very, very strict on it, it
will be I think John Harbos said it best humanly impossible,
literally humanly the the the locker rooms I saw one
of the rules right was like every other locker where
you don't have just an unlimited amount of locker space,
and they're actually fit for the amount of players. Yeah,

(01:00:24):
and during camp, a lot of these you know organizations
because they've added you know that extra ten players over
the last you know, ten years, So it's ninety people
show up to camp. That's the locker rooms are already
packed during training camp to begin with. But I just
don't know where you put them like you put them outside,
I mean seriously, and I don't know where they go.
There'll be so many little circles that we see now

(01:00:46):
on the floor in an NFL locker room like six
ft away. Our building in Sherman Oaks has them in
the lobby. No one like there's two people waiting for
the elevator. No one is standing on those. I actually
think I think radio is it's a smaller operation, but
very similar to the NFL. When I just think if
you just asked the common guy that listens to radio,

(01:01:07):
they'd be like, I bet you have an extravagant, you know, studio,
and then you go to a radio station, You're like,
there's actually not that much room. Everyone's kind of around
each other. You got offices kind of you just I
think people think, when you know these public jobs and
these billion dollar companies that they're sometimes the the space
is a lot different than it actually is in a
lot of industries. John Mentelcoff joining us here on Fox

(01:01:31):
Sports Radio. He's George Rice to I'm Dan Buyer in
for Doug Gottlieb today. Of course, John former NFL scout
and host of the Three and Out podcast on the
Herd Podcast radio network. When you hear the talk of
the limiting of the preseason games from four down to
two which is the report this week, Um that do
we even need to preseason games that the NFL wants

(01:01:51):
to uh do away with them this this preseason. I
think it's gonna be a huge experiment this year of
how important O, T, A and everything are. I think
we all know they're important for like the rookies and
the young guys to learn whatever they gotta learn. But
for any veteran player, uh, you know, because the it
just didn't happen this year. You know. Now the difference

(01:02:13):
is there is no probably intense training which could be
a huge factor. And remember I think the two thousand
eleven lockout, the amount of injuries. Uh, there's gonna have
to be an acclamation process to just get these guys,
just to get everyone the baseline of where they are,
Unlike coming into training camp. Some coaches now a lot

(01:02:33):
less probably than you know, twenty years ago just do
the conditioning tests, but now I think you would legitimately
do less for like conditioning tests, more just where they
add physically, where's their typical weight, where's it now? And
forcing guys to play in a training camp or I
mean a preseason game three weeks away when you're actually
like six weeks away from even being ready to like

(01:02:54):
play football. I I actually think it makes a lot
of spense. You could argue, maybe college football, you know,
the argument would be college football does not do any
preseason games. They have a thirty day or whatever, you know,
training camp, and then they just start playing and you're rusty.
But NFL teams they got the entire preseason and their rusty.
And here's the other pushback. I think how many coaches,

(01:03:15):
like when I first got started being around Coach Read
he still, you know, would a couple players, you know,
by like the fourth preseason game wouldn't play, but he
was pretty active with veteran guys, at least a quarter
of you know, two quarters, that kind of progression the
first two to that third preseason game. They would come
out after the half. I remember watching games last year

(01:03:37):
it was like this, the preseason is a joke. You know.
McBay doesn't even bring guys. The Steelers completely a way
the white flag. I don't and I don't blame them,
like I would probably do that too, but they didn't
care when before the corona, so why why would they me?
Definitely you would see like guys that like you know,
nobody's out there, you know, and that's where you could

(01:03:59):
easily get rid of it wouldn't be a big deal. Well, John,
real real quick, because on your three and our podcast
you do talk mainly football, but you were always on
Twitter and talking about all sorts of things. And I
saw today you commented on the topic we just talked about,
which was Kyrie Irving and him being the driving force
behind players not being able to not necessarily liking to plan,

(01:04:21):
voting and all of this stuff. We were like, dude,
you're not even playing. What did you think about the
report that came out today? That's insane? You know that
This is where I know Lebron is talking about a
lot of other stuff, and rightfully so they kind of
need him to come out and be like, guys were playing,
you know, or we need to do this because there

(01:04:41):
are huge ramifications if they don't play this season on
the amount of money, the salary cap, the future, the
lost money. Like it some baseball is the same thing.
But Kyrie, come on, Like to me, if if it's
at James Harden or Janice or something, I'd be like, okay,
I mean they do have a lot. I was the
line here Kyrie, give me a break like that that

(01:05:03):
to me, that that he's the guy leading the voice
that they shouldn't play is so on brand when he's
not even technically allowed in the bubble. Now, the bigger picture,
how are they doing a bubble in a state that's
open and still two months away? I do understand the
players where if they're own fault because clearly they haven't
been paying attention to the rules. And then the last

(01:05:24):
couple of days, like the bubble rules really started kind
of coming out publicly for everyone and if you didn't
like read articles to be like, Okay, this is what
they're gonna do, and a lot of players like why
are we going to a bubble? And it's just listen.
I'm a harsh critic of Adam Silver. I think he's
a nice guy. I think he's a smart guy. But
can you imagine if Roger Goodell was in it was

(01:05:44):
in his shoes right now and just these plans were
changing by the day and it feels like they have
no direction. He would be getting crushed. And Adam gets
such a pass because clearly so many people in the
media like him personally, but this NBA thing for as
much heat is baseball's taking. It's a good example. There's
strictly fighting over money. The basketball thing is like, what
are they really fighting over right now? It doesn't even

(01:06:05):
make sense the plans, the bubble, you know, it's just
it's a disaster. And Adam Silver's the commissioner and he
gets the Major. He always gets the Major free path.
It's it's crazy, you know. And and if some of
the players and had the the concerns previously, which I'm
not sure if they did, they should have spoken up
because they're just they're not They love coming in the

(01:06:27):
last second. Oh we gotta do this. It's like, guys,
we've been talking about this for a month, what do
you guys in fairness to them that they make a
ton of money, they're you know, they're probably not paying
much attention until push comes to shop, Like, okay, we
gotta report in a week. They're like, what we gotta
report where it's like, yeah, the Orlando bubble, you know,
the one I've been talking about since about middle of May. Yeah,

(01:06:50):
that's vacation. Uh get him on Twitter at John Middlecoff.
Here him again on the three and our podcast, and
uh yeah hear I'm here. On Fox Sports Radio. Appreciate it,
jo On, We'll do it again next week. Have a
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Radio app search f s R to listen live. Their
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uh published or sent out an interview that he did
with one of the stars on the w w E.
I encourage you to go to a J. S. Ramo
Serial six and listen to that interview John Ramos, who's
the interview with Sonja Deville, one of the huge stars

(01:07:35):
on the women's side of the w w E. In fact, Shet,
you can even see here on our own Fox network
at w w SmackDown Friday nights, local Fox affiliate. So yeah,
go there, check it out. It's a video podcast, Dan
and George. All right, thank you, George. I appreciate that.
All right, John, you're not gonna get off Eddie. Are

(01:07:55):
you ready to play by George? Yes? I am all right. Okay, George,
here's the deal. I have uh been able to uh
grab some facts about you thanks to uh Wikipedia and
other sources. Okay, it's on Wikipedia, so it must be true.

(01:08:16):
If not, we're gonna have an awful game today. We're
gonna test John Ramos to see if he knows George
Rice Stir. Okay, We're going to give John certain tidbits,
certain facts that maybe about you or maybe about a
different George, and John's gonna have to guess if they
are about you or not. Does that sound good? Yeah? Okay,

(01:08:39):
all right, John Ramos. Was George Rice Stir born on
April Fool's Day? Or is that a different George? I'm
gonna say he was born in April fools Day? George?
When's your birthday? April first? It is all right? One

(01:09:02):
for one? Is it good George to be born on
a for Full's Day? Like? Is that a good birthday
to have? It has been no effect on me at all, because, weirdly,
nobody has played jokes on me, except for my my sisters.
When I turned sixteen, that's it. The only time I
ever remember I was born, kid you not. I found

(01:09:22):
this out in first grade. I've been scarred ever since.
It's why I promote my birthday whenever I can. I
was born on what they called National Nothing Day. True story.
Like the fm DJ was like today's National Nothing Day.
And when you're seven years old and you're going to
first grade and you hear that you're scarred, but that's
what February it was. It was, well, you know that's
a leap year. National Nothing Day is January sixteenth, and

(01:09:45):
that's uh, yeah, that's my birthday. Okay, John Romos, you're
one for one. Did George rice Stir want to be
a race car driver when he was young or is
that a different George. I'm gonna say he did not
want to be George Royster. Did you want to be
a race car driver growing up? Absolutely not? And I

(01:10:05):
didn't see any black people in NASCAR. And I went
to the Daytone of five hundred one time and I
thought it was an amazing race. And that's why I
was so happy to see what NASCAR did with the flags,
because I didn't feel it didn't feel like a vibe
that was very welcoming to me. So that's why I
hadn't been back. Well, the guy that wanted to be

(01:10:27):
a race car driver, the guy that John Romost named
his son after, George Lucas. Lucas wanted to be a
race car driver went decision. Alright, did George Rice Stir
appear on the show Cupcake Wars on Food Network? You know,
I could ask my daughter, she loves Cupcake Wars. I'm
gonna say for my daughter, Sarah dots to yes, George Royster,

(01:10:51):
did you appear on Cupcake Wars on Food Network? The
hundred the Girl Scouts hundred year anniversary episode? It was
the episode one on of one of the seasons. Yeah,
it was a lot of fun. I did it with
my sister. He did. Thank you, Sarah Rolmost. Wow, you
know George rice Stir, John Ralmost, Okay, does George Rice

(01:11:15):
Stir have a son named Lionel? And I was getting tough, Dan,
I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say, no, George, you have
a son named Lionel? Absolutely not. It was j Jefferson
from The Jefferson's So George Jefferson moving on up had

(01:11:35):
his son Lionel on the TV show. It definitely wasn't
George Rice Stir. All right, John, you got two more
for a perfect game? Can I just say something before
we move on? George, I have not looked any of
this up. This is I was gonna ask, I don't
do that. You can ask Dan Ryan Music that I
don't all out to just Phil. I don't believe him

(01:11:56):
by that. John is a known cheater. Is stolen signs
George in under fourteen softball games? The true story? All right?
But forget about that. Hey, it's the catcher's faults are
protecting your signs? The adult male coaching third base stolen

(01:12:16):
from her? All right? Two more questions. Did George rice
Stir write a memoir titled Take It Like a Man.
I'm gonna say no, George rice Stir, is that your memoir?
It is absolutely not my man five or five. That

(01:12:40):
was boy George, by the way, that was boy George
who the memoir? Take It Like a Man? All right?
For a perfect game, John Ramos launched a multimedia platform
it Unafraid dot Com. Is that the name is to me?
But I'm gonna say nothing's odd When it comes to George,

(01:13:03):
I'm gonna say yes. Is that true? George royce Ster
sort of? It's true. It is from this game, all right,
it is. There's the only difference is is that it's
Unafraid Show as opposed to Unafraid. But alright, John, then
you lose. Sorry, kid, so dot Com good stuff, right,

(01:13:30):
six or six that was really good. We leave anything out,
George in your life that we should have known. Uh No.
The thing with the kids though, where you say a
line of all my kids names end and in which
is which is weird? It wasn't even intentional, being that
we actually do have a blended family. It just all
worked out well, there it is and there was no linel.

(01:13:52):
There was no linel at know. He is George Rice Ster.
I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next, Colin Cowhard thinks
one quarterback is ready to have a Matt Ryan like season.
We'll tell you who that is next to here on
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(01:14:13):
noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. It is the Doug Gottlieb Show. I'm Dan Buyer.
He's George Rice stir NFL vents as we are sitting
in for Doug today, George. This is a time of
the show where Doug likes to take something from Fox
Sports One or Fox Sports Radio just to maybe take
a different angle on the story. Are you ready to

(01:14:33):
talk quarterbacking in the National Football League? Of course? Man,
hate hate, hate, hate, hate, All right, let's do Let's
do it in a segment we like to call now
Here was Colin cow heard earlier today on Fox Sports
Radio and Fox Sports One talking about the type of
season he believes Buccaneers quarterback Tom Brady will have. Tom

(01:14:57):
Brady is gonna stacee there. It's just what do you
think succeeding is. So I'll make a prediction on this.
I mean he's gonna inherit two great receivers, three capable
tight ends. They drafted a running back. The offensive line
was good except right tackle, and I think they got
they solved that. So here's my prediction on the over
unders for Tom. So I want you to put this down.
I'm actually less optimistic on Brady then Fox bet is slightly.

(01:15:23):
I'm gonna go ten and six is the is the
is the win loss record. But here's what I'm gonna
do on the stats, thirteen picks. They struggle a little
in September. Completion percentage passer rating that is slightly better
than Matt Ryan's career average. Do you think he's gonna
be slightly better than Matt Ryan's career average. That from

(01:15:46):
Colin Cowhard on what type of year he believes that
Tom Brady is going to have. Tom Brady hasn't thrown
thirteen interceptions since two thousand nine. I don't think that
he's about to start throwing interceptions. I don't think that. Um.
I don't think that Tom Brady necessarily wants to be
challenging guys completely downfield. I I just I don't necessary.

(01:16:07):
I don't know if those are Matt Ryan numbers are
not Matt Ryan numbers. Matt Ryan throws more interceptions than
Tom Brady does. I don't expect tom Brady to start
throwing picks in Tampa. What say you, George that? I
think it's just the fact that, Okay, look is that
tom Brady does have significantly better weapons, So is he
going to be willing to be more more risky? That

(01:16:29):
could be the only reason for the potential for the
upticking picks. But when you look at tom Brady's like
last couple seasons, his last two years hasn't thrown thirty touchdowns,
and either one and three out of his last four
hadn't even thrown thirty touchdowns, but his interceptions have been
to eight, eleven, and eight, so it'll be I think

(01:16:52):
it'll be somewhere around in between eight and eleven nine
ten interceptions, because that's just the guy is. But don't
expect some sort of like Superhero Year two. Dudes, he's
gonna be forty three playing football this year. Like, just
lower your expectations. Ten and six will be a good year.
And then hopefully for the Buccaneers, if he can get
hot in the playoffs, go on a run and win

(01:17:14):
a championship. But don't expect like an MVP season out
of Tom Brady. Those days are gone, bro. And I
think there are a lot of people that think that,
you know, everything's gonna be Rosie and Tampa. There. You
got a lot of guys, like when Kevin Durant went
to the Golden State, they're gonna take a have to
take a haircut on some of their stats. I mean,
I mean truly, just because of the way that things

(01:17:34):
will operate. I don't think you're gonna see a five
thousand yards season by any point to what you're saying. George,
he's George Rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer. This is Fox
Sports Radio on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Will Colin Kaepernick
return in the NFL? We talked about it next. Be
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Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Hanging out

(01:17:57):
on a Frinday, I hope you're a week went well
and they're looking forward to the weekend. We're glad to
have you with us. Gonna dive into a bunch of stuff,
Gonna check in what's happening in the Gulf world in
about twenty minutes. Shawn Zacha Gulf dot Com joins us.
He also recently did a piece that I think is
uh one that is uh so unique and so refreshing
and gives just a different angle on the world of

(01:18:18):
golf that many of us may have never looked at.
So we'll talk with Sean about that, and not only that,
about what's going on to colonial that's on in about
twenty minutes or so. Here on Fox Sports Radio. Get
George on Twitter at George rice Stir. I'm at Dan
Buyer on Fox and Pete Carroll, the head coach of
the Seattle Seahawks held a session yesterday with reporters talking
about a lot of things, but the things that are

(01:18:41):
making the headlines were his comments about Colin Kaepernick. It
was Kaepernick who in seventeen went to Seattle. At that time,
he was not signed by the Seahawks, and Pete Carroll
says today or said yesterday in comments that if he
had to change what he did in seventeen, he probably
would have. This from the Seahawks head coach yesterday, I

(01:19:02):
regret that that didn't happen in some fashion. I wish
we would have contributed to it, because again deserved to play.
I thought at the time, I just in our situation
as a backup man, I didn't I didn't feel it
was right at that time. And and and we touched
on this a bit earlier. But to me, it's just
it doesn't the words of Pete Carroll George just don't
match up because of where the Seahawks were at the time,

(01:19:24):
the things that he said at the time, and now
what he's saying, I think that he's just trying to
say the right thing when in reality, uh, it just
it doesn't match up. Whether Colin Kaepernick would have been
a fit in Seattle in seventeen. At that time, he
said he's a starter. Now he says he regrets doing it,
but they already had a starter at that time. Uh.

(01:19:45):
Just some stuff from Pete Carroll that to me seemed
like a lot of mixed messages coming from the Pacific Northwest.
You know what this sounds like this? I hear it
and I just hear Pete Carroll talking out of both sides.
It reminds me of when we were watching the Last
Dance and you saw Scottie Pippen. Remember when Phil Jackson

(01:20:08):
called to play for Tony Coo coach and he goes
in Tony Coo Coach wins, wins the game. They said
Scotty was all upset. Bill Cartwright went off all of
this stuff, and then Scotti is sitting there and he says,
they asked him, well, well, Scotty says, well, you know,
I regret what happened, you know, but I wouldn't change anything. Though.

(01:20:30):
That means that you don't regret what happened because because
Pete Carroll had the opportunity to change it. He had
the opportunity. Oh so granted, I'm gonna give him. Let's
let's say that we believe him about sen Oh. I
believe he's a starter. I believe he's gonna get a job. Okay, cool,
all right, I can buy that because Pete Carroll wants

(01:20:52):
to build a winner, but he's about winning football game.
So don't you want to make a football team better,
even if it's competition at the back of quarterback job.
But anyways, so, and at that point in time, they
had Austin Davis as their backup quarterback in seventeen. So
you don't think that Colin Kaepernick was an upgrade over
Austin Davis. Okay, you got Brett Huntley still an upgrade,

(01:21:15):
Geno Smith still an upgrade. You he had opportunities. So
it feels like, yeah, he's trying to say the right
thing right now. But if you felt that it was
the right thing, why didn't you do the right thing?
And you still to this day had the opportunity to
do the right thing and you're not doing it. So

(01:21:35):
how can we are we supposed to believe that that's
really what you believe? You know, the comments and I
think that he's I'll use this as an example when
Drew Brees said what he said the Yahoo and then
last week had the subsequent apologies afterwards. Georgia still think
that there's work that Drew Brees needs to do. It

(01:21:58):
needs to exhibit um before there's a you know, there's
a complete Okay, I understand, but I give Drew Brees
a lot of credit because his apology was a sincere apology,
at least from what I read and what I would agree,
there were I don't know how many times he could
have put ee in in his in his statement, but

(01:22:20):
he accepted responsibility for his actions. It wasn't the I'm
sorry you felt that way about what I said, like
like like he was like, I'm sorry I didn't understand.
I've got to do better. I've got to show you.
I've got to do this. And I think that Pete
Carroll in a way is going along those those lines.
But what I think people want to hear, what what

(01:22:43):
people want to hear from an NFL head coach or
a league official is to go the one step further
that Roger than Roger Goodell did by saying we were wrong.
I wish that Pete Carroll would have said, like, you
know what, the landscape didn't work at that time, and
I apolologize for that. That's what I regret that we

(01:23:05):
see now that part. Yes, Uh, if he stood up
there and said what Roger Goodell said is look, we
messed up. That wasn't the right thing to do. We
should have supported him, blah blah blah. If you say that,
then okay, Pete Carroll, I'm on board with you. But
it's the Oh, I'm sorry that you're upset. You know
this was you know, I wish I regret what happened. Well,

(01:23:28):
you still to this day have a chance to do
something right. Like my kid my my wife always tells
the kids like, once you make a mistake, because you
inevitably will, don't continue to go down that mistake path
or that lie path. Just stop it, cut it off.
Do you know there's no time like the present. Because

(01:23:51):
I look at this and I want to say, is
that it's easy to have the right thing in hindsight.
Once Colin Kaepernick was proved been right, it's easy to
say the right thing now, But it was harder to
do it then and showed some some courage when you
believed in your heart that it was the right thing
to do. If you're telling us the truth now. I

(01:24:12):
do believe and you and I know disagree on this.
I believe that money is an issue now, and I
believe that money is an issue then. And I'm not
saying that Colin Kaepernick is greedy or that NFL owners
are cheap. I just think it's increasingly and and exponentially
difficult to find the value of what you would pay

(01:24:35):
Colin Kaepernick to return to the National Football League. I
I would have no idea. I just don't think that
he wants to come back for a backup quarterbacks salary.
And I don't think that a team would want to
pay a guy who's been out of the league what
is now, you know, three years, the salary of a
high end backup quarterback. I just don't. I don't think

(01:24:58):
that would happen. That's what I find so tricky about
this discussion and his return, and and Pete Carroll had
had some more to say about his return, and we're
gonna hear from the coach on that in a bit.
But you don't think money is an issue, You think
that Colin Kaepernick would accept h a I don't want
to say a minimum deal because it's not a minimum deal,
but an average backup quarterback salary if he were to

(01:25:19):
return to the NFL. Is that fair to say? Yeah? Yeah,
I totally believe that he would accept in between like
that two and a half to three and a half
million dollar deal with a bunch of bonuses on top
if he were to play, just like all the rest
of the backup quarterbacks. Get so, I mean, because you
can't say that he's been out of the game for

(01:25:40):
three years and now all of a sudden he should
still be making twenty million dollars. Whoever does sign him,
if it does happen, which I doubt does happen, that
team is going to see a financial windfall. They're gonna
see an uptick in Jersey sales. They are going to Yes,
some people are gonna be upset about it, but all
the fans that they're gonna gain who support what he's doing,

(01:26:04):
that is going to be a huge economic impact on
the team. But see, and I think he knows that,
and I think that that he knows his worth and
it's why, like when the Alliance wanted him to join
their league, and I had a source tell me that
he asked for more than twenty million dollars to join
that league, and I think that's he understands it. He
understands what he would do for you know, that team,

(01:26:27):
and that's why I just think his price tag is
going to be so difficult to judge if even if
you were to come back in the NFL, I think
it's different if you are the Alliance and if you
are an NFL team, because that's a league he didn't
want to be in below his talent all of that,
versus where he could have elevated the entire presence of
the league, versus the NFL where he would not be

(01:26:47):
coming in as a premier of starter at that point
in time. But I do believe that you're right in
terms of it's about money and how the NFL is
reacting how Pete carroll statement is. But I think it's
about the money. Going back to sixteen and seventeen, where
there were people allegedly saying that they were gonna boycott,

(01:27:09):
and mind you, there were people who saying that they
were going to boycott because of the flag, and then
there was a lot of people on the other side
as well that weren't talked about that said, oh, we're
gonna boycott because he doesn't have a job. So but
in reality that the INFL was afraid that there would
be some sort of economic impact on them. But when

(01:27:32):
you look back at what happened to the NFL in
seen and then go back to look at what happened
to Nike in teen when they came out with the
Kaepernick add neither one of those franchises company's entities lost
any money. Their stock prices are are are up the
end of well, Nike stock prices up, the NFL viewership

(01:27:54):
is up. He despite players still kneeling in protesting the
NFL brand marketing, all that uh TV revenue is getting
ready to go up again when they renegotiate the deals.
And now they see, hold up, we didn't lose any money,
so now we can feel better. It's more palatable for
us to quote unquote do the right thing and back

(01:28:15):
our players. So I asked where I think that you're
seeing the NFL ownership Bill O'Brien saying he'll kneel all
of this because they see that there is no economic
impact on them. So yeah, it's easy to do the
right thing. Then Pete Carroll had another comment yesterday um
that also gained some traction. This is what the Seahawks
coach said. After all of the time that you know,

(01:28:36):
the years that have passed, I never received a phone
call about it. I never talked to another head coach
about it. I never talked to anybody about it until today.
I got a phone call today. I'm gonna tell you
who was. I got a phone call today asking inquiring
about the situation. So I know, you know, somebody's interested,
you know, and uh, you know, so we'll see what
happens with that. Do you think somebody's interested? Do you

(01:28:58):
think there's more than somebody that's interest Shtutt Colin Kaepernick.
I think that there are some teams that are kicking
the tires on this and and it makes sense. I mean,
if you look at what happened with Andy Reid with
the with the Eagles, who did uh and and you
look at Chip Kelly and what the Eagles did and
all that. With signing Michael Vick, they were able to

(01:29:20):
rehab that his whole image and he came out and
played well. Andy Reid, like Dan Patrick said, that's a
good spot him behind Patrick Mahomes. There is no challenge
for the spot. You know, it's a place where he
can rehab, his image, all of these things, well his
image in the eyes of a certain uh, in the

(01:29:43):
eyes of a certain group. But then he can come
in and then it'll be, oh, well he's already in
the league. We can we can, we can sign him.
It is what it is. At that point, there's you
know there I think that when we talk Colin Kaepernick,
I don't think that. I mean, there's the there is
a group that you said that that also say George
that he's not that he wasn't good, And I don't

(01:30:06):
think that that's there was there was he wasn't what
he was during the Super Bowl run, but in completely
limited his interception sixteen touchdowns four I n t s.
So so like there's you know, like even that argument
because you're saying, you know, there's a group and I
know it's politically and and even more than politically of

(01:30:26):
that don't want Colin kaepertick in the league and the
the there is also a group that just say that, well,
he can't play anymore. And I think that that is
that is completely wrong, like like that, I don't think
that that narrative and and even if it even if
if that's what you believe it doesn't. It doesn't take
for the ability to at least try to get and

(01:30:49):
I say five spots for thirty two teams. You know,
so there's you know, like if if, if you want,
you can bring five quarterbacks into camp, you know, like
like so, so one of the one sixty spots. Um, yeah,
you know, like he could warrant that. That's that's worth
the risk. And the numbers that he had in that
last season, there were some things that he couldn't do
that he did with the Fortins, you know eight nine

(01:31:09):
years ago. Maybe some teams caught up a little on him,
but it still wasn't that he It was that roster
that Chip Kelly had in the San with San Francisco
is one of the all time NFL worst rosters, like
it is a it was a bottom feeder roster. Nobody
you could have put Tom Brady on that team. They
would not have gone to the playoffs. It was not happening.

(01:31:31):
And that idea that Kaepernick sucks and that he's just
he's just a terrible quarterback shouldn't even be in the league.
Nathan Peterman's in the league. There's a whole host of
other guys like Matt shob and all this stuff like
so so stop it. And because when you look at
his season, like like I said, sixteen touchdowns, four interceptions,
And when you go back to seen he was only

(01:31:54):
twenty nine years old, and he was eleventh in career
QB rating amongst active quarterbacks. He was ahead of Carson Palmer,
Derek Carr, Joe Flacco, uh, Andrew Luck, Eli Manning, Matthew Stafford,
and Cam Newton. Ahead of all those dudes and career
quarterback rating. But that's you're gonna tell me if this

(01:32:16):
guy sucks. No, that's a case of somebody not being
willing to let common sense get in the way of
their argument. You know, Bill O'Brien has come out and
said a lot. He says he's gonna deal with players
that Houston could be a spot. I mean, you want
to talk and I don't know, you know, if Conlin
Kaepernicks lost a step in in running the football, Um,
but you know, to backup to Shaun Watson could be
could be a place A J. Mccarren's the backup there. UM,

(01:32:39):
I don't know how much of a drop off that
that you would have, um, at least to to to
check it out. But again, I just I'm gonna go
back to the point. I don't even like to assign teams, George,
because I just don't know how they're gonna do the money.
And I don't think anybody talks about it because I
think it's a much bigger issue than than people believe.
But maybe it's Kansas City, maybe it's Houston, maybe it's

(01:32:59):
no at all. We will wait and see when it
comes to Colin Kaepernick. He's George Rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer.
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
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at golf dot Com, Sean Zach joins us here on
Fox Sports Radio. Hey Sean, how are you good? How
you guys doing? We are? I'm doing well. I think
George is doing all right as well. On this Friday,
I've got some Yeah, that's a fun inside joke, Sewan,

(01:34:03):
don't worry about it. I had an awful take earlier
in George instead of saying no, I don't have great
played nice and goes, well, that's a thought. And then
he gave me what is what he was really thinking?
But what are your thoughts on how things have gone
in the first almost two plus days at Colonial right
now for the PGA Tour. Yeah, you know, I think

(01:34:23):
the PGA Tour did a really good job to this point. Now,
the key thing for everything when sports comes back is safety.
Are the people involved going to be safe? Is it
a safe experience? And to this point, the PGA Tour
has been very forthright and making a safe place you know,
everyone on site there was getting tested before they could

(01:34:45):
play in the tournament, before they could go into uh
tournament facilities, and they even got tested before they got
on a plane to get there. So I think everything
right now is going pretty well. And I you know,
they they had moments of silence each day in honor
of George Floyd and some of the lives lost to

(01:35:06):
racial injustice. And I think the PGA Tour, being one
of the first sports back has they've kind of been
a you know, a very bright light right now and
in terms of a pretty empty sporting world. So, you know,
knocking on wood really right now, but everything has gone
according to plan. How important is it to the p
g A to really be out in front of these

(01:35:28):
social issues? Knowing some of the history of you know,
Augusta National and some of these exclusive clubs that have
been literally exclusive, not just financially, How is important to
it is it to golf to really be at the
forefront of this. I think it's gravely important. I Mean,
we saw the sport of golf absolutely explode in the

(01:35:51):
early two thousands to mid two thousands because a black
golfer named Tiger Woods was incredible. The greatest golfer for
my money that ever lived. And we have receded a
little bit back towards the norm when Tiger struggled. Uh
And in terms of the total golfers in America, the
total number of golf courses has receded in the past decade.

(01:36:13):
And if golf wants to continue growing, it needs to
be an open door. It needs to be or everyone.
And you know, I don't hate private golf club spinning means,
but they're not exactly helping. So, you know, the PGA
Tour is something that as a as a as a

(01:36:34):
sports league, so to say, it is a leader, and
it can pave a path, it can open doors for people.
It can it can say, hey, you know, we have
a number of black golfers on the PGA Tour, but
we would like to have more. There should be more.
There should be just as many as there are, you know,
there's there should be just as many as there are

(01:36:55):
in America. That the diversity percentages should be widely spread
in all sports like that. So the PGA Tour doesn't
have that right now, and it's a bit of a
shame because golf has not been a very open sport.
So you asked me, how important is it. It's I
think it's gravely important. Yeah. How okay, So with that

(01:37:16):
getting younger players, you said, these these clubs are exclusive.
You know, we know the country club ages getting older
membership is going down. I've heard, you know, like Jack
Nicholas and some other people talk about potential rule changes
in golf. Is the p GA considering any of that
to get more younger players? Well, I mean a good

(01:37:36):
example would be last year the u s g A,
which is the United States Golf Association, they changed a lot,
a handful of rules that just makes the game a
little bit easier for your average player to go to
your average course and have a better time. You know,
this sport is so traditional and and sometimes you can
get stuck in those traditions and in those rules, and

(01:37:59):
so I did change rules last year to just make
it a little bit more approachable. Um. You know, I
think the PGA Tour and various golf leagues can do
its best to just outreach I mean, today on golf
dot com we had a little bit of a round
table um with five black golfers share their experiences in
the game, why they love the game, And I think

(01:38:22):
some of their their very genuine responses were completely obvious.
We need to share the golf with a community, a
number of communities that haven't had golf shared with them before.
We need to make it cheaper for people to go
play golf. We need to probably make it free for
children to play a golf Let people pick the game

(01:38:43):
up at an earlier age, let them fall in love
with it, and if they don't like it, let them
fall in love with another sport. You know. But it
needs to be an option because if you think about
Tiger Woods, his dad, his father, Earl Woods, you know,
for all intents and purposes, he forced golf on the
Tiger and Tiger was absolutely incredible, remains incredible. But if

(01:39:05):
his dad doesn't do that, or if Tiger runs into
some of the various uh barriers to entry that we
have remaining in Gulf today, maybe Tiger Wood doesn't happen,
and then maybe we don't have one of the greatest
players ever in the world of golf to be a
black golfer. And so I think, you know, if if

(01:39:25):
golf is smart, I'm getting a bit long winded, but
if golf is smart, it would be as open as
possible as any other sport in the world right now.
And like I said, there are some things that we
need to fix about it, but just an overall openness
and pushing people towards its game. That's kind of a
very general, you know, campaign motto, but it's it seems

(01:39:45):
obvious right now. Sean Zach at Golf dot Com joining
us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's George rice Stir.
I'm Dan Buyer sitting in for Doug Gottlieb here on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. You can find Sean on Twitter
at at Shawn Underscore Zach and that's s e A
and Underscores z A. K more on this because of
the five people that were interviewed on that Gulf dot

(01:40:07):
Com piece, yea Damon Hack, who we see on the
Golf Channel. You have a long drive competitor. You also
have a guy who's a club pro and is a
fifty or sixty. I mean, like when you talk about
like the the wide range of of you know, different
roles in golf, you guys hit all of them. What
was most striking to you? Um as part of those

(01:40:27):
five of maybe the one thing that stands out that
maybe never dawned on you, or or just maybe struct
you know, structing the hardest in what they said. No,
that's that's a good question, I think honestly, I think
this ties into a lot of uh things that people
have been sharing about society. But to me, the thing
that stuck out was just if there was a number

(01:40:48):
there were. I think two of the people that responded said,
there have been times at a golf course when I
don't feel comfortable asking the group ahead of me if
I can play through. If if I am a player
by myself, a single and there's a group of four
or foursome ahead of me, And two of those people said,
as a black golfer, if there's a group of four

(01:41:08):
white people in front of me playing, I don't feel
comfortable saying, hey, guys, can I get through? Can I
play through? You know, the golf courses need to be
moment They needed to be places of sanctuary, right, They
need to be places of comfort and and and openness
kind of like I was saying earlier. And so that
stuff that was amazing to me is like, holy cow,

(01:41:29):
if that's true. For two people of the five in
our panel and in the Damon Hacks said you know what, guys,
I felt a little bit of that too. So if
there's two or three people in our five person panel
that feel that, my gosh, there has to be a
number of other people in the world I feel that.
So that I mean, as alarming as as it was,
it's kind of even a little more scary. And so

(01:41:50):
it's it's such a simple thing that I would never
have noticed because I don't have to deal with those
types of of discomfort, and uh, you know, it would
be a much better world if those little moments of
discomfort just did not exist for anyone. So things like
that that uh, a lot of people like myself just
don't have to deal with, don't have to think about.

(01:42:12):
It's never in the back of our heads. That really
stuck out to me. What is going on though in
this in the Charles Swab Challenge, because I looked at
the leader board though, and I was like, Jordan's speech,
What the heck is going on? What what happened to him? Did?
Did did the monstars give him his talent back? That's
a great question. You know, Jordan's speet has been about

(01:42:35):
as inconsistent as a great player can be, probably for
the last year and a half. Um. He is unquestionably
one of the most fun golfers to watch, and for
a young player, one of the best. UM. But he
has just you know, he'll finish in the top ten
one week and then he'll brace up the leaderboard and

(01:42:56):
then dropped down like crazy, uh and finished maybe sixtieth.
They're tied for sixty five the next week. And there
was no consistency there. And when he first started on
the PGA Tour, he was a bastion for consistency. I
mean he was he was finishing in the top twenty
five every single week. So did the monsters give him
his powers back? Uh? You know, he's making a lot

(01:43:16):
of birdies this week. He has a great history at
this course. He's one there before. It's not far from
his hometown where he grew up, so he's got a
lot of good vibes there. And he had a very
brief moment today where he missed uh two short three
ft puts in a row, and and he went from
making part of making a double bogie and uh, Everyone's

(01:43:39):
like wait, hold we go. Everyone kind of caught their
breath again, like is he losing it again? And then
he turned around with a couple of birdies later, and
I think he's won back right now of of Harold
Barner the leader. So I mean, that's exactly where you
want to be through thirty sold and especially playing so
close to home and in a place where he's comfortable. Well,
let's let's wrap up with that Shawn's act, joining George

(01:44:01):
Rystro myself Dan Buyer here on the Dug Outlive show
on Fox Sports Radio. What would a Harold Varner the
third win mean this week? I mean, can you can
you write a story? I mean yeah, I mean it
sounds perfect. Harold Varner is one of the very very
few do we have. I think we lost Sean there

(01:44:25):
for a second. Uh here on Fox Sports Radio. I
think he was about to say, George, Harold Varner the
third one of the very few African American players on
the PGA tour, and you know, and let's Shawn, you
you you cut off, but you said he's one of
the very few, and I tried to complete your settence.
I think you were going to say one of the
few African American players on the PGA tour, But go

(01:44:47):
ahead and finish your thought. Yeah, he's one of the
few black golfers on the PGA Tour, and he's very
young and up and coming, and he has spoken that's
the we're losing recently, and uh, you know, it's just
it's it's great to see him a success any week,
but this week right now, you know, in for Worth,

(01:45:09):
not far from where George Floyd was late to rest.
It would be pretty storybook is if he was able
to get it done this week. But either way, he's
having a lot of success and it's great to see
find him on Twitter again at sean Zac that's s
E A N underscore z A K. Sean. We appreciate
it and we'll read your latest stuff at golf dot
com as well. Thanks so much for the time. Alright, guys,

(01:45:30):
take it easy. Be sure to catch the live edition
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on Fox Sports Radio. He's George roy Stir. I'm Dan Buyer.
I I've I'm not good at golf. I'd love to
play it. I it's it's one of the things that

(01:45:51):
I really really love to do. George and UM. I
played when I was young. UM picked it up more
in college when I played, would play more often. One
of the things that I did was UM and this
was back, uh, when I lived in Wisconsin, and I
would go out summer nights are a little bit longer.
Maybe I'd go out about you know, six thirty seven

(01:46:11):
o'clock and go and play nine holes at a at
a course that had thirty six holes on it, So
that I would just go out and play by myself.
And one of my buddies in college at the time,
who UM ended up living with me for a few months.
We're sitting in there, sitting in our apartment. I'm like,
why don't you come on out, you know. He's like, yeah,
I'll come out with you, you know, and play. And
he was black. And we went out to the to

(01:46:32):
the golf course of public golf course and and I'll
never forget because we went in and I could still
picture it to this day. Um. I had gone to
this course, George. Uh, you know, We'll just say hundreds
of times and and I would go at the same
time and I'd see the same people, and it was
it was very common when IN paid for my round

(01:46:54):
uh and stepped aside, and my buddy went and paid,
and the club prole the assistant pro would re position
he was at the time, gave my money, my buddies
money back by putting it on the table, and that
it never happened to me in any of the days
that I had gone and played there. They hand you
the money. This is twenty years ago, um and and

(01:47:16):
and it and it hit me, and it struck me
so much. And my buddy even said to me when
we walked out, he goes, did you see that? And
because I think that he wondered if I saw that?
And I did, And it was such a the the
the white pro did not want to give the money
to my buddy who was black, and it was it

(01:47:39):
was one of the It was such a shock to me, George,
to to to see that, because you know, I didn't
grow up in a country club. I'm gonna have country
clubs where I grew up, but there was always this
stigma with it and the and the sport of golf
and having it, and to go to a public course
and still have that sort of thing there. It was
just such a shock to my system. And and so

(01:48:00):
so and that is something you know, by my buddy
saying did you see that? Told me that, wow, this
is stuff that he deals with every single day, that
stuff that maybe I wouldn't have noticed, and it was
just it was just so eye popping and and and
and really just changed how I looked at a lot
of things. And that's one of the things that when
when when people say, oh, this America, this doesn't happen anymore,

(01:48:21):
all that. No, it's the difference between nineteen sixty and
today is just the fact that, yes, you do have
a lot more uh, non black people, you have a
lot of white people who are who see it now. Yes,
yes that is true, but racism is still alive. And
the difference is is it's not as as uh on

(01:48:42):
the forefront, like you couldn't just get away with like
you couldn't keep your job today with saying some of
the things that you did in nineteen sixty. But it's
a lot more covert. And the fact that you noticed
that is is good on you because had you not
been there with your and you wouldn't, you wouldn't have
noticed it. And then if if your friend had told somebody,

(01:49:04):
then that's when people say, listen, listen, that's not raised
is he probably just sat it down just for you know,
because he had to go somewhere, you know. And it's
easy to put these things off as normal, one off
occurrences when these things don't happen to you on a
regular basis. It was, it was it was shocking. I

(01:49:25):
still remember told my mom the story. She still remembers
it to this day, you know, And and it was
just it's it's one of those things that's not like
you know, as you said, it can be hidden, it's covert.
It's things that you don't see, your stuff that you
deal on a daily basis. That just that just needs
to to go away. And I want to say one
thing because in noticing that, I've noticed that a lot

(01:49:49):
of that. I've had some conversations with some of my
white friends about this about while they noticed this, and
they feel bad and feel guilty now about either not
note sing it or not standing up and all of that.
And I always say this to them about that notion
of white guilt about things that happened in the past,
and all that I always say this is that there's

(01:50:09):
no reason for anybody to feel white guilt about things
that your grandparents, parents, great grandparents, any of that did.
The only thing that you should feel guilty about as
is things that you allow are the things that you
personally do. Like those are like you don't have to
feel guilty about something that somebody else did. You can
admit it, which is great, which is very important, and

(01:50:33):
admit the past and all of that. But then your
actions are what are reflective upon you and how you
should feel about yourself. He's George Rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer.
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(01:51:15):
so a lot of big conversations going on as well.
Some may have slipped through the cracks, but that is
until now. George. This is a segment where we run
down the day's headlines and so much more, and we
like to call it the Press. Ralph Irvan is at
the anchor desk. He's been giving us the latest all day.
What do you got now, Ralph, Well, we've mentioned this

(01:51:37):
briefly earlier, but Howard bet tweeting out that, uh, there's
gonna be a conference called Kyrie Irving has been putting
it together. Could involve up to two players talking about
the NBA's concern over or the players concerned over the
NBA's bubble plan in Orlando. Interesting, now, Kyle Kyle Kuzma

(01:51:57):
did tweet some of us want to hoop and compete.
Don't get that twisted. It's a mixed bag. Yeah, well
that's different than what we thought because we thought pretty
much everybody was on board when the Players Association, you know,
agreed to this deal with the NBA. Now that not
being the case. Kyrie does have a spot on the
union board, so apparently he's speaking out for some players

(01:52:20):
who feel that they didn't want to speak out because
it would be against some of the maybe some of
the bigger names in the n b A. I just
don't know how you can walk it back from this,
and in George, I I think and Kyrie has given
his explanation, but I think this is more about people
not wanting to be in Orlando for two months than anything.

(01:52:40):
Maybe like all of them are gonna be there for
two months and they're gonna be eliminated with the jiffiness.
Like some of them at least what they're twenty two teams,
at least six of them will be home in in
eight games. But with this whole thing, I'm like, al right,
first thing, logistics, Having a hundred and fifty people on

(01:53:03):
one call is unreasonable. That is just like, how can
you get anything done? Oh yeah, yeah, you're gonna hear
echo and ringing. So that's the first logistical nightmare. You
should have broke this thing down into smaller groups or
have people email you their concerns. How about just put
up a Twitter poll and vote yes or no. Right,
That's what Kyrie Irving could have done well. The NFL

(01:53:27):
has announced that they will officially recognize June teenth as
a company holiday. That's June nineteenth, and of course it
commemorates the official end of the Civil War, which subsequently
officially ended slavery. Big big news today in that regard,
George of of Roger Goodown in the NFL recognizing, I

(01:53:49):
love it because a lot of people don't realize that
what Juneteenth is. They just think of the Emancipation Proclamation,
but it didn't actually free slaves and hill the Civil
War was was over with. It's a big holiday in
the black community. Over seventy of her players are black. Yeah,
I think it's a good thing to do. The Texans

(01:54:11):
coach Bill O'Brien says he's gonna take a knee with
players during the national anthem, saying quote, yeah, I'll take
a knee. I'm all for it. The players have a
right to protest, right to be heard in the right
to be who they are. They're not taking a knee
because they're against our flag. They're taking a knee because
they have been treated equally in our country for over
four hundred years. Bill O'Brien has it right. But at

(01:54:35):
the same time, this is still a snoozer. This is
this is easy and convenient at this point in time,
where was the same energy when when Bob McNair, the
late Bob McNair, owner of the Texas was uh was
referring to his guys as as inmates. Yeah, yeah, it's
easy to do, now, Bill O'Brien, I think everybody's gonna kneel,

(01:54:57):
don't you. I mean, I mean, I that's what I
think we're gonna get on NFL Sundays at least in
week one. Can't be surprised to see anybody standing during
the national One. There will be very few people standing,
and they will be uh shamed the same way people
drive the shame the people who were kneeling. It that

(01:55:18):
you know, first, she'll be last, last, you'll be first. Now,
the University of Houston immediately suspending all voluntary workouts after
six symptomatic student athletes have tested positive for COVID nineteen.
Joseph Duarte from the Houston Chronicle notes the school did
not conduct tests of student athletes when they returned to campus. Now,
if I was Kyrie Irving, this is the first thing

(01:55:40):
that I would point to. I mean, because this is actual,
look at what is happening. Maybe we're not out of
the clear yet. Maybe this isn't the greatest idea this
is we really have to follow protocols. That's probably the
first thing that Kyrie Irving should do, or at least
should be reported if you're trying to get out of
the NBA playing in that bubble in or Lae. Though. Yeah,

(01:56:02):
it was stupid by the University of Houston not to
test players. I mean it was irresponsible and all of that.
UCF Central Florida had sixty players test positive, and in
the state of Florida most of the players are from there.
Houston was irresponsible, it was negligent and if anything happens,
they deserve whatever they get. In terms of backlash, that

(01:56:25):
was the press. I still have my masks Handy right
alongside me. George has been fun. Let's do it again. Yeah,
it was great. He's George ry Stair. I'm Dan Bayer.
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