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July 16, 2019 114 mins

Doug discusses some of the potential hold outs in the NFL and wonders why NFL players are never satisfied with the contracts they get. He also tells you why Dak Prescott reminds him of Draymond Green. Plus, NFL Insider Charles Robinson joins the show to give some insight on the negotiations between Ezekiel Elliott and the Cowboys. 

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to me how NBA players seem to be getting a
bad rap as being unhappy when in many ways they

(01:02):
are joy filled sprouts compared to NFL players. I think
the truth is that in this age of unhappiness, it's
only because we're in this age of knowledge. But boy,
NFL players sure seem like, uh, they are constantly constantly

(01:23):
asking for more and asking why and wanting both and
wanting to win on both sides. Right, it just feels
that way. Then I get it. I understand it. You know,
you have people filling their heads with nonsense since they
were high school players in terms of their value to colleges,
and when they're in college, they they're they're told by

(01:47):
the NFL they can't apply to play in the National
Football League, and once they get there, they're told that, well,
they made a bunch of money for college and somehow
that's not fair. Than once they get to the National
Football League, they don't like those rookie contracts so much
so that a guy like Ezeke Elliott wants a new
contract even though he's got he's he is under contract

(02:10):
potentially for at least one, if not two more years.
And I think the problem is that one, they have
lots of things disclosed to them and to their only
partial facts. What started out with politics is now part
of sports. NFL players are told from a very young age, hey,

(02:33):
have you gonna play football? You don't want to get
a guaranteed contract, You don't really Okay, Well, Aaron Rodgers
signed a deal for a hundred thirty four million dollars,
could pay out as much as a hundred eighty million dollars.
And he's going to make eighty one point nine million
dollars by the end of this season, right, eighty one

(02:57):
point nine million dollars. Not only are they not and
not told full truths, they don't even know the half
of it. You know. It's it's like, you look at
what Melvin Gordon makes, You're like, wow, Melvin Gordon, last
couple of years he's made less than a million dollars. Well,
his contrary, his rookie contract was one fully guaranteed and

(03:18):
secondly is front loaded. He made six million dollars in
the signing bonus when he first signed it, and then
at the back end of it his fifth year. In
his fifth year he will make uh five million in change.
And I know what you're saying is, well, what about
the average yearly the yearly salary they make? Again, that's

(03:41):
when you're just being funny and cute with the numbers.
Don't tell me. NFL players don't have guaranteed contracts. First
round picks contracts are guaranteed, completely guaranteed. Secondly, other contracts
are guarantee, they just one may not be fully guaranteed,

(04:04):
and somehow that translates to the average joe has whether
or not guaranteed. That's not that's not true. That's just
not true. Again, take Melvin Gordon, who he at the
end of this UH, at the end of his first contract,
he's made ten point seven million dollars to date, ten

(04:27):
point seven At the end of this year, he would
have made about a little bit less than sixteen million
dollars for four years. That's four years of UH, four years,
essentially four million dollars per which in the landscape of
great running backs is not a ton of money. But
for his first contract, it's a very good deal. That's good,

(04:51):
solid pay considering where he was drafted and the fact
that every bit of it is guaranteed. And what he
wants is what Levian Bell wants. What he wants is
what um what all these other guys have. I I
honestly think you know. Khalil Max signed a deal last

(05:11):
year six million, hundred forty one million dollars nine million guaranteed.
He received a thirty four million dollar signing bonus. He had.
He made fifty six point five million dollars by the
end of last season fifty six point five. Not only
does he have guaranteed money, but he gets the money

(05:33):
up front. Yeah, music, How much do you know about
like lottery paths? Well, I know there's two different kinds.
You can either take the lump sum all at once
and then you have to pay taxes on it all
at once, and I think you only get a portion
of it, or you do the installments over twenty years

(05:54):
and it pays out enough in a higher amount, but
you obviously have to wait a full simony years before
you see all the money. No, I mean I I
don't necessarily know if it's a higher amount. I don't
know where you got that from. Um, it's it's you
can get it lump sum. Yes, the tax they do
lop off half, but you're still paying taxes on it.
If you're getting paid over a longer period times. Basically

(06:17):
do you get it now? Where do you get paid
over twenty five year period? Which? Which do you think?
Which would you prefer? I guess I would probably just
take all the money up front, because who knows what
would happen in twenty years. But isn't that why most
people you think get it over twenty years is because
they don't know where they'll be, so they know they'll
have that set income and it's like a security blanket,

(06:40):
I guess. But I would probably just take it all
up front, and Ramos, what would you do? Well? At
my age, I take it off all up front. Right
about that, you're about to have a kid. I don
think you're gonna die. I'm just talking about that, right doc,
just talking about what about you know, well, one of

(07:00):
my classmates in high school passed away, so I was
just saying, oh boy, so yeah, I think I would
take it. I would take it all right now, what
do you what do you think financial advisors advised? They
probably would say to take it over twenty years? Um
what Dan, buyer, what which? Which? Which would you prefer

(07:21):
up front or over twenty years? Up front? And then
I can invest in how I want to. And then
what do you think financial advisors say? I think they
would go my route. They would everyone. Financial advisors would
always tell you take the money now, because you can
always pay yourself out off the interest over the next

(07:41):
twenty years if you would like. You will make far
more money if you have the money in hand. Then
letting somebody else or the government pay you bit by
bit by bit over time. But that's the truth. Like
the Bibe Bunia deal, which everybody celebrates, right, is that
he gets a million dollars every year? Is that? Is
that about right? You know, it's a million million dollars
every year for however many years. Like that's actually still

(08:03):
a better deal for the New York Mets because that's
an escrow account which did not cost him that much.
We didn't cost him a million dollars to pay him
a million dollars. I mean, think about it. If you
get Khalil macmoney, right, if you get fifty six million
dollars in one year, all right, so you're gonna lop

(08:24):
off roughly half of it, right, So you're gonna end
up with, you know, in the twenties seven million dollars.
But if you invest that, that's way better than getting
paid out over a five or ten year period. It's
not even close. Look at the stock market now, look
at the stock market ten years ago. I mean just

(08:45):
an index account which basically just tracks the average of
all the stuff, uh, you know, and look at the
average payout and so your money will only grow every
financial adviser will tell you take the money up front
and invest the money every single one And by the way,
all these NFL players know that they know that what
they they have all of America snowed. They just do.

(09:10):
They have people believing they don't have guaranteed contracts. They
have people believing, look at what I got here in
my uh, what my salary is, Melvin Gored, I only
made a million dollars. Like, yeah, dude, you made six
million dollars before you ever played a snap and you
were bad your rookie year. Of course you get a
bunch of money up front, and that's how you manipulate

(09:31):
the salary cap is one or two guys. So when
I when I hear Ezeki Elliott wants a new contract
or else, and you still got to negotiate Dak Prescott's
new contract. And I don't think das craig, but we
can all be honest and say he's not worth He's
worth a lot more than the fourth round money he's
making on his rookie deal, which is a minimum amount

(09:54):
of money. Like, I think it's very reasonable to think
Dak Prescott should get a new deal before Zeke l
to get a new deal. Even if I think z
he Gellett can next year, next offseason, no question he
can get a new contract. Now would I pay him
top dollar? I wouldn't pay any running back top dollar.
I think that's silly, but it's funny. We operate under

(10:16):
this presumption that NBA players are the unhappy ones when
that doesn't appear to be the case. You know, we
practice too much. The NFL hands out too many fines
for illegal hits. Why they were taking the toughness out

(10:36):
of football, Like, look, we're trying to protect you from
you practicing less, and the product isn't as good to
protect you from you. You know, we don't want to
make We want to make more money. We want to
grow the salary cap. We don't want to play a
team games. We don't want to play Thursday nights because
it's too quick a turnaround. Like, I just I can't

(10:58):
help you, dude. You guys are great football player, you're
not good businessmen. The reason that some of these gentlemen
are in place to buy NFL teams for several billion
dollars is they're brilliant businessmen. And you may not like
like Roger Goodell, but his team has done an amazing
job of building the business of the NFL. It doesn't
mean you take everything they offer you at their first offer.

(11:21):
It doesn't mean there's not negotiation, doesn't mean that there's
not more money. It's just you have to have a
complete sense of where the whole landscape, but the profession
is where landscape the profession is. Heck, I don't know
how much money my show makes. I know one thing.
I'm not gonna make every penny off of whatever my

(11:44):
show makes. That's just not the way it works. My
company needs to make money because they need to pay
everybody who works on this show. And they had to
pay marketing, and they had to pay you know, Veto,
who does who does? All our are are imaging. And
they gotta pay Mike because Mike keeps everybody in line

(12:05):
in the studio. We're all scared of death of him, right.
We gotta pay Ramos because I mean he could die tomorrow.
Apparently that's his big fear here as he's right. I
gotta pay music because music is getting married. Music signed
up to lose half his stuff. We gotta pay Dan
Buyer only gets paid upfront when he signs a new contract.
He makes only five dollars a year, but he gets
all he gets a lump some upfront so we can

(12:26):
invest all of his money, like I'm not gonna make
a hund percent of what it's like a and then
we don't have a revenue split. They have a revenue
split a football related money, and they gotta spread it
out our fifty three guys. But when I I just
the lies that are told to the American public, it's

(12:48):
not even good lies. All right, it's not even good
lies because the rest of us, if you have a contract,
show up for it, like I don't need even get
the Well, that's a non guaranteed part of my contract.
I'm not going to show up for it. Well, shame
on you. That was the contract that you signed, especially
it's your second contract in National Football League. Don't sign

(13:10):
for those additional years. Somehow Kirk Cousins got a fully
guaranteed deal only three years long. I mean, it's not
even a good deal for the Vikings, but it was
eighty four million dollars. He's getting every penny. You know,
what's gonna happen, Guys get what happens is guys get

(13:30):
offered that money, Like, well, kirk Cousins, he's actually making
below market value. Like, okay, that's it. All depends upon
how many years you want to sign for, how many
years they can guarantee you're gonna be there. Guy. So
I look at NFL players and I think they're slowly
but surely creeping up and probably passing NBA players in
the We're kind of done. We're kind of done with

(13:54):
your complaining about everything. Well, we don't make and and
I under stand the full disclosure of contracts makes everyone
look at everyone else differently. You look at NBA contracts,
you look at Major League they look at Major League
Baseball contracts. But the truth is that most people in
rank and file Major League Baseball players, they don't make anything.

(14:15):
How how many times do we here after hear about
veteran players complain about being cut or being low balled whatever.
Dallas Kaiko Dallas Kiko waited halfway through the year and
got half as much as he thought he would get.
It's just it's this is business, kids, and every business
is a little bit different. And when you only look

(14:36):
at the top earners, like if I was to do that,
if I was to live my life by only worrying
about the top earners in radio and comparing myself there, Well, dude,
I would I would have a rough day. On the
other hand, when I take back and I have step back,
and I have perspective, and I think of, you know,
many of you after my shows on your local afternoon
show comes on. I had the perspective of I got

(14:59):
a pretty good gig, and like anybody, you want more,
but you don't refuse services. You don't use public will
and public trust. I just I get it. Football's dangerous sport.
I will point out it was the decision you made
somewhere between growing up and into high school to go
to college to play football. It's like, it's like the

(15:22):
custodians saying, I can't believe I have to clean up
a bunch of poop, Like, hey, dude, you knew you
signed up to do custodial services, right like you knew
there was gonna be a plumber complaining about a clog toilet, Like, hey,
that's kind of part of the gig. It doesn't mean
I can't be sympathetic for it, but it also doesn't
mean it doesn't mean you're gonna stop doing it. If so,

(15:43):
I gotta find a different profession. Coming up next, Ethan
Strousse will join us. Um I'm gonna ask him. He
had a really interesting story about some NBA players kind
of chuckling over Chris Paul being traded. How does how
did the rank and file feel about Chris Paul's leadership

(16:03):
in the NBA p A plus, will Oklahoma City be
able to deal him to the Miami Heat? And what
do we think of Mike d'antoni's most recent comments about
how he doesn't believe they need to change the way
they play in order to win NBA Championship Talx NBA
Coming up next to The Doug got Show. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Doug dot Leap Show

(16:23):
weekdays at noon eastern three pm Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the I Heart Radio app. We turned from
the NBA to the the NFL to the NBA. Ethan
Strouss covers the Warriors for the NBA UH and the
NBA for the athletic. Follow him on Twitter at Sherwood Strouss.
His latest pieces, Summer League chatter, the consensus on D'Angelo Russell,

(16:43):
Chris Paul, and all those huge moves. All Right, let's
start with the Warriors, a franchise, you know. Oh, so, well,
what is the consensus on the D'Angelo Russell sign and trade. Well,
initially people were confused. They thought, wait a second, this
doesn't really makes sense as a fit. D Angela Russell
loves to run pick and roll. That's really Steph Curry's job.

(17:06):
Angela Russell isn't an off ball player in the way
that Clay Thompson is, so they're going to clash. All
of that still might be completely true. All of that
is a genuine concern, but the way the league operates
is different now. It's all about manipulating the c d
A and the salary cap and getting d'angela Russell meant
getting a twenty three year old with a lot of

(17:27):
potential whom other teams are interested in. And that's an asset.
That's a piece that they can trade if they want
to get a bigger fish going forward. So from the
general manager perspective and vagas, it was, hey, that's a
great deal. Good job by them, even though all of
those executives had concerns about the fit on the court. Yeah. Also,

(17:48):
they're not a pick and roll team. They run the
fewest number of pick and rolls in the NBA. Uh.
I like it in the short term, just in that
I feel like this might be a little bit lost
season for the Warriors and you the risk of wearing
out Steph Curry if you didn't get him somebody else
who could dominate the ball. And you know, so, do
I think that long term it's a great fit. No.

(18:09):
But in the short term, yeah, and you see how
it works and waiting for it and doesn't speed up
the you know over doesn't make the pace of Clay
Thompson's return um so fast that he may come back
not fully healthy. Right. So, But but the Warriors have
come out and said like, hey, we didn't acquire him
with the idea in mind of trading him. Well, if

(18:32):
you will say that to retain his trade value, right,
I mean, that's the diarity They have to pretend like
they might not want to trade him to make him
all the more tantalizing should a team want to get him.
I don't think anybody believes that. I think people look
at the fit and they look at the situation. If
Clay comes back, it doesn't really make a lot of
sense to have all those guys unless a very young
D'Angelo Russell goes, hey, I'm cool being a Lou Williams

(18:54):
type off the bench microwave this early in my career.
I don't see that happening. He would have to be
a very unusual kind of player so young in his
career to embrace such a role. Yeah, I don't and
I don't see that one happened. What about how do
they reform the rest of their team? You know, Iggy's gone,
Livingstone's gone. Uh, those guys were huge pieces in the

(19:16):
championship run. I know they got Luney, and they got
Luny on the relative cheap, which is which is good. Um,
but what about the other pieces? Like what what do
you think is the is the true plan when Clay
returns going forward? Well, I think they need to supplement
the wings. They had the embarrassment of Riches on three
D wings of all teams, and now all of a sudden,

(19:39):
especially Clay out right now they're week there and the
problem is that's such an in demand position. So how
do they get how do they get that back? What
do they do? I don't know, Maybe a hypothetical trade
with the Timberwolves who wanted Dangel Russell where they would
get back Covington. Perhaps in the future that's a possibility.
I think that is maybe Order number one is to

(19:59):
reap old the perimeter, and it is a lot easier
said than done. And in the meantime, they just have
to see is Steph Curry going to generate enough offense
on his lonesome effectively to keep them afloat? But you're right,
they are going to be temporarily worse. Uh. There's something
that Kevin Arnott's ESPN says that I I like and
I think it is quite true, which is that growing

(20:20):
ass men win basketball game. That's that's that's when you
start winning. In the NBA, you got a lot of
guys in their late twenties and their early thirties. The
Warriors right now have a lot of kids. Maybe that's
good for the future development of the team, but in
the present it's not so great for winning. Yeah, No,
it's a it's a great point. That's all these teams
of young aspiring stars, that's not how you truly win.

(20:42):
Matter of fact, every team that tanks, they don't actually
say they're tanking. They just are giving their younger players
an opportunity which is a great form of tanking because
you can't win with younger players in the in the
in the NBA. Um. Okay, so let's let's get to
the Chris Paul and Russell west Brock trade. What is
the consensus from NBA front office people over that move? Man,

(21:06):
I don't know there is much of a consensus on
that move. It's just kind of a wild It's kind
of a wild one from two different sides. It's uh,
it looks a little bit desperate from the Houston side.
You know, you get it, you understand it. Um. It
seems like Westbrook is still more of a dynamic player
at this state of his career, uh, than than Chris
Paul is. So it's understandable. But I think in general,

(21:30):
a lot of executives just think that Presty did a
great job overall. I mean the Paul George trade, getting
the whole that he got for a guy who's gonna
have two shoulder surgeries. A lot of people were impressed
by that. And then he's going full rebuild, which you know,
they never talked about this, but if you're a GM,
it's not the worst thing in the world to attach
your name to a rebuilding situation. With a lot of
draft picks, it buys you a lot of time from

(21:51):
getting fired, which is the main goal of these general managers.
So it seems like Presty has done quite well in
rebooting the Thunder, But from the Rocket perspective, they just
look a little bit shaky, a little bit desperate. I
haven't loved some of the moves since Tillman Trigita, the
do owner took over. And now there's a discussion of
how they don't want to get Andrea Goodala because of

(22:13):
the because of the money hit that it would require.
So I I kind of like it better for the
Thunder than I do for the Rockets. I have to say,
what about this um and what about the idea that
some other NBA players, members of the Players Union, obviously
we're kind of quietly chuckling over Chris Paul being dealt

(22:34):
because Chris Paul's leadership led to these supermax contracts, and
really those have only benefited his guys, hasn't benefited the
rank and file. Yeah, and there's also he pushed back
the over thirty six rulds and over thirty eight rule
which enabled guys. Chris Paul's exact age to get bigger contracts.
And yeah, now the Supermax takes up more of the

(22:56):
cap and look to try to make all this uh
fi nancial gobbly gook a little more simplified. Uh Look,
the players aren't annoyed with how much money Chris Paul
is bringing into the players. He's they're annoyed with how
he's divving it up. And the Chris Paul regime has
shunted more of that money in the direction of superstars

(23:17):
and veteran stars, and less of the money is going
to the median NBA player, which is a bit of
an issue for that union considering that you know it's
voted on every player has an equal vote. In theory,
it should be advocating for the interests of the medium player. Now,
I think a lot of fans they don't care. These
guys are all making money more money than they are. Um,
but b go, okay, well, superstars would make so much

(23:41):
money without a union, and they would you know, maybe
Lebron would be making a hundred million dollars a year.
So I think from the superstar perspective, they're going, hey,
you should be happy that we give you anything off
of what we would make you shouldn't complain. But the
response to that, the response to that from the players
union is okay, But then what's the point of having
a you. The point is that we all pool our

(24:02):
resources together and we benefit the median union member. That
hasn't been happening. So a lot of players fields that
they've been sold to bibold Goods by the Chris Paul regime.
Does he ultimately end up in Miami? I mean, I
don't know probly that. Here's what I would say. Here's
what I would saying, he ends up somewhere. I don't
see the I don't see the thunder just hanging on

(24:24):
to him and having him teach their young players. They
don't see that happening. I think he ends up somewhere.
Miami is his logical destination, as any Who's the team
that NBA people are talking about. We get caught up
in Lakers, Clippers. I want to get your thoughts in
those teams. Obviously the Rockets, the Warriors, Uh, maybe the Nets.
But who's the under the radar team that in Vegas

(24:47):
everybody's talking about, and yet because they're not a big
name team, we're missing on Well, people have noticed that
the Portland Trailblazers nailed the over on their win totals
every year, what is it five out of the last
six years. I think for the Trail Blazers, they're always
under the radar, and maybe that speaks to how some
of what enables the team to succeed is the locker

(25:10):
room chemistry, and is people geting alone, and is how
Damian Lillard is an excellent leader. These things that can't
be quantified still have an impact. And so yet again
there's a lot of buzz of I can't remember what
the what the wind total is for the Blazers, but
I already saw a lot of chatter of they're going
to do it again. That's a good bet once again.

(25:30):
They're going to uh, they're going to prevail over expectations.
So that's certainly a team that's certainly a team that
draws that kind of attention. Shervis starts joining us in
the Doug ot Lip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
What what about the Lakers roster? Um Anthony Davis said
he'd take it over anybody, but he's also on that roster.
What are the feelings of league executives of what the

(25:52):
Lakers ultimately did well again, just like I was saying
with the Warriors, you want those wings. They seem to
be week on the perimeter, which is the most valued
position in the NBA for a multitude of reasons. I mean,
that's something that's happened over the last few years. A
lot of it has to do with switching defense and
how perimeter oriented the game has gotten. But I just

(26:13):
don't see the Laker roster outside of A d and
lebron Um as particularly strong or well built. Uh, those
two guys are impressive, but it just it seems based
on that old idea of get a few superstars like
the Miami Heat, that's all you need, Now you're good.
This doesn't seem the case in the NBA anymore. It
seems in the NBA that you need a stronger seven

(26:36):
through eight, You need more versatility on the roster. You
will be exposed in the playoffs if you have some
weak links. So I don't think that they have the
best roster. I would disagree with Anthony Davis will wholly
conceding that he is far better at basketball than I am.
The Clippers, on the other hand, if healthy, that's a
squad that's a deep roster. That roster right there. If

(26:57):
they don't have the injuries, I don't see a lot
of weaknesses down in l A. For the other team,
I would say that the the team that I don't know.
The thing about the Clippers is how many guys they
have outside of Kwai Letters that have actually done it
deep in the playoffs. It's a good point. It's a
good point. I mean you could have said that though
for the Raptors when Kawhi Leonard showed up there, you know,

(27:19):
it helps out that steadying presence. Uh. It seems like
people draw off of his even keeled approach. So I
wouldn't worry too much about that. I worry more about
the health. I would worry more about Paul George getting
the double shoulder surgery. For anybody who follows baseball, people
in baseball are more well versed in the shoulder than

(27:40):
anybody in any sport. And the conclusion when I ask
people who are involved in that sport is nobody knows.
Nobody knows. When it's a round part of your body,
a lot can go wrong. And so that's a concern
to me, is what happens with Paul George but if healthy,
I think that they're the best team. And when I
look at the and I see them comparable or even

(28:02):
in some estimations behind the Lakers as far as tide lots,
I just think that's crazy. I think the Clippers are
the best team. Yeah, um, what about the nets? Do
people think that will work? I don't think people think
it will work. It's funny because people also think they
had to do it. You know, they had to make
the splash, they had to bet on it. They finally
had a situation where the Brooklyn Nets were being chosen

(28:25):
over the New York Knicks, and they have superstars, but
a lot of people are waiting for the fireworks. I
don't know anybody I talked to in Vegas who told me, hey,
you know what I expect. I expect Kevin Durant and
Kyrie Irving to get along for a few years and
to get along famously and maintain their tight bond. I
didn't hear anybody say that. I heard a lot more.

(28:47):
I can't wait to Robert Neck at that situation. So
I just don't I think it's one of those winning
the press conference moves, right, because Okay, so you've got
Kyrie Irving moves short. He's incredibly talented, but he's short.
He has had what multiple knee procedures um and went
into a situation that seemed to be ideal in Boston

(29:07):
and it blew up completely. So now you have him
on the roster, you've got Kevin Durant where he just
blew out as Achilles. And it's almost operating on a
Pavlovian level when they're reporting on which team is going
to choose, because we're going, oh, this is a big
free agency sweepstakes. This is like Lebron with the decision
or Katie in a few people are pausing and going,

(29:30):
this dude just snapped the large tendon in his body
and we don't know if he's ever going to be
the same, and he's going to miss a year, and
it turns out that the contract is fairly short term.
So I get why the Brooklyn that's had to do it.
It just doesn't seem to be as good a situation
as it was being celebrated for. When you look at
it and you take thet you last part, you know,

(29:53):
with so many players leaving the Midwest for the coast,
I'm just wondering about you know, men, Look what them
cities being forced to do. Look what the Pelicans are
being forced to do, and they're doing great jobs of it. Um,
But will there get to a point where those owners
of small market teams and me, Michael Jordan's being kind

(30:14):
of one of them. And look, I will grant you
sure that if you told me, Hey, Michael Jordan's just
as responsible for his team struggles as the fact that
it's in Charlotte. Nobody's actually ever accountable for their own mistakes.
But the fact is that these guys are determining where
they want to go. Paul George is under contract for
three more years only when y're in and he said
he wanted out. Um, do we get to a point

(30:35):
where there's the haves and the have nots in the
NBA and the owners in the Midwest have had enough
of it? I think we could. I think a lot
of people are gonna be watching, honest and how that
situation plays out. Uh, that that's gonna be a big one.
Um in a way, I think. And they can't do
anything about it. Now. This is the result of the
NBA making some tactical airs back in the nineties because

(30:58):
they added these new teams, and they kind of went
about it and they get rich quick way, where hey,
if you give us the money for a stadium, then
we give you a basketball team. Well, the only cities
who are giving money for a stadium straight up were
minor league baseball level cities that wanted to play with
the big boys. And so now you have an NBA
that has smaller markets than any of the other leagues

(31:20):
really have. You know, Baseball I think has uh, the
smallest market in baseball. Um, I think the NBA has
four or five smaller markets and the smallest baseball market,
which is Milwaukee. Um, You've got places like Oklahoma City,
New Orleans is actually quite small. You know, this is
a bit of an issue, especially when you consider that
basketball has urban appeal. It's a city game, and yet

(31:41):
they're spread out all around the country in some cities
that really can't support these teams unless these teams are
going like gangbusters and winning sixty games a year. So
the NBA has set themselves up this, Uh, this sting
sells up for this by making some some errors. How
they get back from it, I'm not sure They've got
to realign the incentive because this emergence of pre agency,

(32:02):
of players demanding trades before their contracts are up, the issue.
It's a bad look. I think it turns the fans off.
I think that we are often boosters for the NBA
and NBA media. We constantly spin this narrative. But everything's
coming up and this is the sport of the young
and football is dying. Um. The ratings have not been
good for the sport of late, and I don't think
they've been good in part because the players seem not

(32:25):
all that attached to the teams. That is something that
Adam Silver and the owners have to figure out. At
Deasier said and done, I'm not sure what the picks
need to be, but it's clear that they need to
do something. It's a great point and it's absolutely accurate.
And the NFL people will tell you, like, look, when
you turn on our tour games, you may not love
the actual teams, but you know Matt Stafford is the
quarterback of the Lions, Aaron Rodgers the quarterback of the Packers,

(32:47):
like you know who, and those guys are not going
anywhere and they're still well compensated. And I do and
and the other part is, you know, look, when you
go west, that's gonna hurt your ratings as well as
it happened with Lebron and now you have those two
powers in l A. Doesn't help national ratings because East
Coast does dominate in terms of viewers. Show. We're great stuff.
It's outstanding article. You do great work. We appreciate you

(33:08):
joining us, Thanks for having me. We'll discuss that Ezeki
Elliott potential hold out. What are the chances Zeki Elliott
ends up skipping all the training camp? I'll tell you next.
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uh keeping you in the know with games. Okay, this
is game time Tide on the Doug gott Leap Show.
What are the chances we have Dan Buyer to play?
What are the chances? I would say, what are the

(33:49):
chances that is the game today? Doug, let's start off
in the NFL. What are the chances that Ezekiel Elliott
holds out of training camp? Any or any part of it,
you know, one one can session the entire n I
would say, what are the chances, uh, the idea that
he hasn't come out this and he's using Yahoo Sports,

(34:09):
and well he's discussed it. I think the pushback he's
getting from people is enough that what people are gonna
like it? What are you doing? Dude? What are you doing?
I'd what are the chances Doug sticking in the NFC
East that the Washington Redskins will have Case Keenum start
Week one over rookie Dwayne Haskins after Adrian Peterson says

(34:31):
that the team looks really good with case Keenum as
their starting QB. Yeah, I think that's about an eighty
five percent chance. Um. I like Dwayne Haskins by all accounts.
Even Urban Meyer, who now works for Fox, has said, like,
you know, he's got some growing kind of up to do.
I don't like the Duyne Haskins pick. I've I've talked
to enough NFP people are like bad feet, and you

(34:54):
can't fix bad feet. I thought he was really good.
I thought it was great last year. Um, I'm just
telling what NFL people have told me. So I don't
love it and Case Keenum is if in on a
short term basis case games good, He's just not he's up.
He's one of those boardline should be a backup, can
be a spot starter, and you do that untill Dwayne
Haskins is ready. That's what I think the route you go.

(35:16):
We touched on this a bit in the update a
little while ago, but what are the chances the horns
down gesture ends up being banned totally from college football?
I don't think it like, it's not it's not you're
not giving anybody the finger? Like, how did this become
like this? Oh my god, I can't they got the
horde down? Like, okay, can you not do thumb down anymore? Either? Right?

(35:45):
You know you know what there's you can't stick out
your tongue in anybody anymore either, Right, That's what I
think of that. Look, if they can do horns opping
a new horns down like and he either's two sides
every swarts, why can't there be two sides every horns?
What are the chances Chris Paul plays for the Oklahoma
City Thunder this season? Not great um place. You know.

(36:09):
The new thing is that Miami wants their draft picks
back so yeah, I don't know if I would do that. Well,
they'll get probably one of them back now. But I mean, like,
look at the two one unprotected picks. Sounds great, but
if you have Jimmy Butler and Chris Paul, You're not
gonna be terrible. It's not gonna be that gonna pick anyway.
What are the chances Doug? Major winner also claims the

(36:32):
Clara jugg this week at the Open Championship. So that
would be Tiger brooks Kepka or Gary Woodland. What are
the chances one of those wins? Who are the Tiger
brooks Kepka and Gary Woodland? What are the chances that
we have a repeat major winner for uh, a multiple

(36:55):
major winner multiple I'm gonna go no, because yeah, I'm
gonna go one of those three guys winning collectively. Finally, Doug,
what are the chances John Ramos doesn't take all of
his allowed paternity leave? What's allowed? What's allowed? I believe

(37:15):
it's twelve weeks. Yes, it's true. I have a great
This is Game time on the Dug got Leave Show.
Is that actually when I was at CBS Sports Radio
before they were sold to Intercom. Uh, there's like a
random meeting and one of the guys in the meeting,

(37:36):
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like six months opporunity leave if you wanted, based on
New York state law. And there was a producer who
took six months portornity leave and by law that had
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(38:24):
Oh man, it is uh. I tell you. The hardest
part of parenting. The hardest part of parenting is something
that's being avidly discussed this last two weeks or I
don't know it's hardest part parenting. There's a lot of
hard parts of parenting, right I mean birds and bees
talk not fun. Even furboring your kids not fun? Ramis

(38:47):
you think music knows? What? Foreburring your kids means? Probably
not music. Do you want to take a shot of
what furboring your kids means? Not even a clue. Punishing
them or changing their diapers the nut's the only two
things I can think of. No, try to get get one,
get one more guests, taking them to school. I have

(39:08):
no idea. The Ferber method is basically letting your kids
and there's an actual method to it, because you do
go in and at some point, very early on, you
soothe them. But it's the method of basically letting your
kids cry it out in the middle of the night
so they sleep through the night. I tell the Ferbor
method like you go in and there's a whole like

(39:28):
methodology to it, like you know, a couple of hours
and you go over and you but solely but surely
you don't do any of that, none of that, And
you can start, I don't know, four months and and
you like some people have these dream kids that they
just sleep through the night, you know, some don't, and
a lot of it though a lot of kids sleeping

(39:50):
issues are really more our separation anxiety more than the
actual child. Right. It's it's just it's just like in
you sports, most is shoose with the child. You can
actually point to the adult. It's true, you actually point
to the adult. I mean even uh, you know, even
if you even if you talk about you know, dietary

(40:13):
stuff that that like there's certain things your wife can't
have because if if the child is breastfeeding, like that
just comes down to the mother eating the right foods
and taking care of yourself and understanding what's going to
upset a baby stomach. And now they can test for
everything that the kid could possibly be allergic to. But
like ferboring your kids is a really tough thing. Um,

(40:35):
first time you take him to preschool and they cry,
Like that's a really tough thing. I would say dealing
with middle school issues is a really tough thing. Kids
having pomo. Now when you give him a phone, how
much social media blah blah blah blah blah. But in
terms of raising a childhood athlete, how much is too
much and how little is too little? Right, because you

(40:59):
do get there is a point where sorry, man, like
the train left the station, Like the the old stories
that well, you know, I didn't play basketball until I
was fifteen, Like, okay, but you're six eight and you
know you got a thirty Vertically the rest of us,
you gotta be at least decent or solid in order

(41:20):
when you just like, once you decide you love it,
you gotta go. So last week we share shared with
you this really interesting baxtro Homes piece and was about
NBA players and the idea that they're they're ticking time
bombs because all they play is basketball, and they play
in all these games and they don't build their entire body.
And Michael Jordan didn't play basketball at the time, and

(41:42):
neither should you and I and I think there's some
truth to it. I I have kids that I coach
in my youth program that I feel I could use
could be a little bit more well rounded. My own
son plays a bunch of sports, and it's it's a
little bit of a fight at times at home where
I think he could be doing more basketball, and my
wife is like, and I can do other sports, or

(42:03):
he could just be a kid and play with his buddies. Um,
But the idea of seasonal sports it's tough these days.
So it actually came up earlier today getting ready for
the Open Championship, which starts Thursday morning, which is super
super early on Thursday our time, and Tiger Woods had

(42:24):
this story to share about calling Brooks Keptcot earlier today.
Texas Brooks, you know, congratulations on another great finish. I mean,
I mean, he's what what he's I mean, what he's
done in the last four major championships and has been
just just unbelievable. He'd be so consistent, so so solid,
So he's been in contention to win each and every

(42:46):
major championship. And I said, hey, dude, and you don't
need to mind if I tag along and play a
practice round. I've heard nothing. Here's Brooks Kepka's response to
the fact that he never responded to Tiger Woods text
just practice before the major's regular terments on practice. When
have you seen me on TV? That's when I played golf.

(43:08):
Huh huh. So it is it is interesting that that
here's a guy in Tiger Woods who was a fanatic
about his preparation and from the time he was three
years old, this is what he did. Now, one of
the things that reportedly lead him to injure his body

(43:29):
was he got so caught up in all other kinds
of training. And maybe it's because he had only trained
as a golfer before. I don't know that that's what
Parson led to his body breaking down. But here's Brooks Kepka.
And I'm sure that Brooks as much as he's saying
the only times I played golf and say it's time
to see me on TV, I'm sure he hits balls.
You know, he hits balls outside of that. But the

(43:50):
point is he doesn't overtrain. And now at this point
in his life, you know, he builds his body, lives
his life, and then he only ramps it up for majors.
That way, he's fresher and and and sharper, and it
matters more to him. Look, I've I've talked to Brad Stevens.
He doesn't do shoot arounds anymore. He's like fresh minds,
fresh legs, way better than anything you think you can

(44:12):
shoot yourself out of. So welcome in. Not to be
gay who joins us. He's the NBC Sports golf analysts
to be contributed to the Golf channels live from the
Open news coverage as well as live tournament coverage on
the Golf Channel and on NBC, UM, what are your
thoughts on brooks Kepka saying like, Hey, look, the only
times I play golf is when you see me playing

(44:32):
golf on TV. I think he's just found a nice
way to prepare that's working for him, and it's hard
to argue with the results. I mean, he's won four
out of the last ten starts that he's made in
major championships, and if you finish the second or better
this week, he'll be the only player in the history

(44:53):
of professional golf to play the majors in in one
calendar year finishing second or better. So, um, I would
stick to what he's dealing, whatever it is, And if
it's a ghosting Tiger, then I would certainly stick with
that too. Yeah. So well that how many other guys
are like that on tour? I think there's a handful.

(45:16):
I think Justin Roses has tried to develop a winning formula.
He felt like he got it at Marran and the
US Open hasn't been able to replicate him very close
and a couple of Masters following that, and just had
a disastrous outcome this year. He tweaked a few things
in preparation, tried to um uh, change it up just

(45:38):
a bit, and came to realize that that was not
the recipe. So he's back to more of what he's
been doing over the past four or five years. And UM,
I think he's one of the guys to really keep
an eye on because this cliff sets up for a
guy that has his type of game. What about Tiger,
how does this course set up for him? Great? I

(46:01):
think Tiger is in a good spot to make another
run of the Major this week. This golf course is
going to require a variety of different shape shots, um,
a variety of different trajectories, and most importantly, it's not
gonna necessarily require a large drivers um. Unless you're feeling

(46:23):
really good with that club in your hand, you you
don't have to use it because the ferries are firm
enough that you're gonna get an extra you know, ten
to fifteen yards of brother on some holes and which
is going to allow players to hit medals off the
off the tee or sometimes these driving irons that you're
seeing a little more about here on tour. Not a

(46:45):
big a joining us from NBC Sports in the Golf
Channel to gotlif show here on Fox Sports Radio. UM Okay,
So then then take me to the rest of the field.
Who else should be looking for? You talking about like
this is a a real All Firs golf course, right,
you can't do what what Brooks has done to some
of these other courses where you just you drive it

(47:06):
a mile and you're playing a different course than everybody else.
Who else should we be looking at? Well, I'm not
going to be the one that Crossbrooks kept off the
list up. Certainly, he's got to be among the first
considerations you when you're putting together some sort of parlay ticket.
But um, you're talking Ricky Fala, You're talking guys like uh,

(47:29):
Matt Coucher, who isn't the longest, but that's not going
to really hurt him here this week, a big question
marks around guys like Dustin Jones and John Ron coming
off a great performance last week. So um, you know,
those would be a handful of players that Charleston maybe
on the on the negative side, and then Coucher m

(47:51):
and Sealing on the positive side that I would keep
on d You know, with all this discussion about training
and there's an article last week note and I don't
know if if you saw not to be joining us
on Fox Sports Radio. It was more about basketball players
and over training and the the idea some people believe
it leads to NBA players early in their career having

(48:11):
far more injuries. What about over training of young golfers? Right,
Because one of the things that that Tiger brought is
one he made golf cool. So he's competing against so
many of these kids and young adults that grew up
watching him, right, so there's a much deeper pool of
incredible players. Um. But he also brought this ridiculous work
ethic not just on your game, but also on your body.

(48:35):
Is over training and over working part of youth golf?
Youth golf? And is it a problem? Um? I think
the heavyweight training tour early on in a in a
golfer's development or even a young athletes development, um, before
they really finished growing and establishing sort of what their

(48:56):
base uh, bone structure and muscle structure are going to be. Uh.
As young adults, it can it can be detrimental to
their development and can lead to some early injury. UM.
I think Tiger um, you know, might be the victim
of maybe pushing the threshold a little bit too far.

(49:19):
But it's that threshold that allowed him, in my opinion,
to achieve some of the greatest things that have ever
been done in the game. Um, you gotta be a
you know, a little bit crazy and a little bit genius.
And I think that Tiger embodied both those things. And
you know, his body is certainly paid for it. And
you know, I'm sure that you know Tom Brady ten

(49:41):
years from now, I's gonna have a lot of super borings.
But he's also gonna probably have a tough time getting
out of bed like the rest of us. But that's
what professional sports is. I mean, you you make guesses,
you try and make educated guess is based on what
you think will produce the best results. And Brook Scott
has has seemed to have a handle on how he

(50:01):
should get ready for events that Tiger has historically been
the best in history. Yeah, and and and ghosting Tiger
maybe is now the new tradition. Unlike unlike any other
I wouldn't ghost Tiger all the Tiger would never text me.
I know you guys are tight, you don't ghost him. Um, Hey, no,
thanks so much for joining us. Enjoy the Open Championship,
appreciate your perspective on Fox sport TRADEO, thank you. That's

(50:23):
my pleasure not to be gay. It does a great
job over NBC Sports and on the Golf channel. Uh,
it's really interesting. Look, I'm I'm somebody who I think
I uh, you know, I've talked about my son and
now the baseball games he's played. But I also believe
that you with me, I monitor how much he pitches,

(50:44):
how many balls he throws. On the other hand, there
is the kind of mental what's the word I'm looking for. Uh,
it can wear on you like baseball games can wear
on you. On the other hand, there's a perception that
baseball games are always boring and when your kids left handed,
he plays first, he pitches generally Like those aren't boring positions.

(51:07):
You're kind of involved in every inning, and a lot
of these games do end up only being four things long.
I think one of the things that uh, the the
attrition of baseball uh is a hard thing. The attrition
of any of these sports is a hard thing. I
think that one of the things we do a bad
job in baseball is like we get out there and there,
no matter how big you're houseball, Like, let's get there

(51:28):
an hour before and get warmed up. It's yes, I
want them to see I'd like them to see a
couple of balls throwing their way. I like to see
them take. They don't take in field anymore. You know,
you warm up your throwing, you stretch, you run, You
hit a little soft toss, you hit off the tea,
you you feeld some you know, some fly balls, you
feel a couple of groundballs, and then you get in,

(51:50):
you get some water, and that hour doesn't fly by
as much as the game flies by. But I do
think there's some mental attrition to some sports, and then
the physical attrition obviously to some positions and some sports
as well. It's it's a fascinating discussion in Brooks Capital,
going like, hey, look, I just I don't play every day.
It's not who I am. It's working for me, clearly

(52:12):
it is. NFL insider Charles Robinson joins the show coming next.
He's had some great insight into Ezeki Elliott's potential holdout.
Will he really do this in the training camp? What
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thought were really insightful. Um. Charles Robinson is an NFL
calumnist for Yahoo Sports and talks about Zeke Elliott and
his frustrations with the Dallas Cowboys. He joined us now, Um,

(54:02):
how long has he been frustrated? Uh? You know, I
think this process for them started about a month ago
for Ezekiel Elliott's camp, you know, from what I understand
talking to people with the Cowboys and both Elliotts camp.
Really that's when the lines of community communication opened about
a potential extension, but there was it's flowed because they

(54:26):
had to get this whole issue with Las Vegas and
him bumping the security guard that had to get resolved
by the NFL first, and so I think really, once
that was resolved by the NFL, UM, I think Ezekiel
Elliott's camp made it pretty apparent to the Cowboys that
they were frustrated that it was clear that Dak Prescott
was the priority to get that done. They understood that,

(54:47):
but hey, there's really no traction right now on a
contract extension for Ezekiel, and he kind of felt like
he was left out of I think that group that
was pushing hard to to get an extension. So I'd say, really,
the last couple of weeks is probably when I intensive
about it. Okay, but isn't it reasonable for them to
think about him next year? Like the only guy only
running back that had the deal done a year early

(55:09):
was Todd Gurley. And I will grant you Zeke hasn't
had the knee injury that Todd Drilly had in college.
He has had far more off the field noise. But
that Todd Griley contract looks like a bad one. And
it's not. It's it's you know, like in the in
the We'll We'll get to you one, he's been appropriately
compensated based upon where his draft is opposed to Dock Like.
I just think it's like the Cowboys are actually being reasonable,

(55:32):
and I it appears, at least to outsiders like me,
that Zeke might not be. I think from the standpoint
of what's reasonable, it all depends on you know, look,
every everyone wants their representation to be aggressive. And I
think right now when Zeke's people and I and frankly
even people that are in the personnel department of the
Dallas Cowboys will tell you from a number standpoint, Um,

(55:56):
when you crunch the numbers, there's no doubt he's the
m v P of of the offense. Like, there's not
not even a question about that. That. Um, there's too
many metrics that show and Ezeki elliotts on the field
and in particular when he whenever he plays well, they
win games. And so you know, I think from the
standpoint of Ezekiel Elliott and and his camp, you look
at it and you go, okay, well, Todd Gurley did

(56:18):
get his deal. I mean, regardless of whether it's a
bad deal now because of you know, a lingering knee problem,
whether or not that was a bad deal, it's it's
irrelevant he got his deal after three years. Ezekiel Elliot
has been arguably the best running back in football over
the last three years in the games he's played in. Um,
shouldn't he be on that that same track? And then

(56:38):
I think the other thing that I think pushes this
a little bit for ezek Elliott's camp. It's the Cowboys history.
You know that they did go through a negotiation with
to Marco Murray when he set the franchise record for
a rushing season. They put a lot of wear and
tear on him and then they just walked because they
didn't want to give him a long term deal. So
there's clearly a little bit of concern. I think in
terms of his camp. Is this just a guy where

(57:01):
they have a five or six year plan to put
his many touches on Ezekiel Eliot as possible and then
just let him go and and essentially wear him out
in six years with no security. Yeah, which is which
is a reasonable year for for any running back. Um,
there is also the off the field stuff, right like However,
however minor. The thing in Vegas was he did have

(57:22):
to meet with the commissioner. He was suspended for six games,
and that has to be factored into the equation, doesn't it. Yeah? Absolutely,
I say, well for the Cowboys in particular, and and
the Cowboys were in terms of backing him. I mean,
I don't think any group backed him harder than the
Cowboys did through throughout, not only this recent you know
issue with the Las Vegas security guard bump and then

(57:44):
the six games suspension for the the alleged domestic violence incident.
And you know, so I think from the Cowboys standpoint,
they thought, I think they entered the off season believing
we we can probably table him until next off season.
That was definitely the plan. The off season was when
you know they were going to get to this, and
I think they felt like, you know, we're not going
to have any problems with that. But along the way,

(58:06):
you know, Dak Prescott became such a massive priority all
of a sudden to Mary, Cooper was someone who became
a priority. And and I think frankly the lack of
traction on that deal more Cooper's uh, you know representation
wanting to wait and see where other you know, deals
come in. So I just think Zeke Elliott and his
camp thought, hey, his value is at its highest right now. Um,

(58:28):
that's when we should be having this discussion about the
contract extension. Because another elite level running back did do
a deal after three years, so it was natural in
their minds, knowing the Cowboys history of having worn out
back prior to this without a long term commitment, maybe
now is the time to stick our foot in the
sand and make a decision. And and look there's still
the point they haven't held out yet, so it's just

(58:50):
something that's on the table. And for this to get
out now, I think for them in some element it's
advantageous because it won't surprise the Cowboys. They have time
to think about. This push comes to show of if
the Cowboys say we're do not do anything this year,
what do you think you think he actually holds out.
I I think what's ultimately going to happen is I

(59:10):
think the two sides are gonna end up talking again
before camp kicks off. I think Ownership will say, look,
we are absolutely committed to getting you a long term deal.
We want to get Dack done to set the table,
but you are the priority. We are going to be
the priority. We just need to get the Dack deal
done and we're gonna work on an extension with you
right up until the season kicks off. I think they'll
want to see him show up to camp for that. UM.

(59:33):
I think absent that if there's not some level of
of ownership, sort of like with the Atlanta Falcons and
Julio Jones and Arthur Blank telling Julio, you are a
priority for an extension. Um. Absent that kind of commitment,
I think there's a chance that, you know, Zeke decides
to hold out just to make sure he makes a statement.
Maybe he reports by August six to get to the

(59:53):
accrued fourth year that he needs to to make sure
he's an understricted free agent after year five. But UM,
I just think without that commitment, I think he's serious
about at least holding out a period of time. At
Charles Robinson at Charles Robinson's his Twitter handle. Charles writes
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(01:00:13):
Fox Sports Radio. What about Dak, Like, I get that
so many quarterbacks have, you know, they one gets more
than the next, gets more than the next. But I
don't think anybody outside of Dak Prescon's camp really views
him as one of those lead quarterbacks. On the other hand,
he's been playing, you know, he's been starting quarterback of
the Cowboys, being paid like the third string quarterback of

(01:00:35):
the Cowboys. That has some value. Um. He is a
good leader, he doesn't seem to have baggage. He can
run the football, He's solid Where do you think they
end up. That's a tough one because you know, the
number is so big, you know, in terms of his
camp and and I think where you know, we're talking
solidly in terms of the negotiations. You're talking about a

(01:00:57):
starting point in terms of Dak Prescott representation solidly above
thirty million dollars. And it wasn't long ago that people
balked about, you know, Dak Prescott being a four million
dollar quarterback. But as you said, part of this is, hey,
he's been playing on a cheap deal. Look what he's
done for you. He's gone to playoff games. Look at
the Seattle you know, playoff game tape. He's progressed every

(01:01:19):
single year. I think the pitch they make is, look
at when Derek Carr signed his his pace setting deal
or bar setting deal at the quarterback position. Look at
his numbers versus where Dax numbers are. Now, okay, well,
now adjust that for the time that's passed since Derek
Carr did that deal. Um, you know, why shouldn't Dak
Prescott have a deal that's near the top of the

(01:01:39):
quarterback market, particularly if you believe he's a franchise quarterback
and I'll just say this about the Cowboys. They dug
part of the hole that they're in right now with
Dak Prescott themselves, because Jerry Jones has said nothing but
the fact that repeatedly that he he feels like Dak
Prescott is a legitimate franchise cornerstone quarterback. And that's the

(01:02:00):
kind of thing that gets used against you at the
negotiating table. But what's what's he supposed to say? Like right,
like I understand, like, like, look, they didn't do what
the Jets did with Drell Reeves back in the day.
We're like, hey, he's the best at his position in
the sport, and Drew he was like, really, well maybe
I should be paid Like it, like, franchise quarterback is
a very vague. What are you supposed to say? Like

(01:02:22):
he's I He's like, you can't do that. I and
I get you, But I mean, Jerry has always been
a player's guy. Last thing he wants to be as
a bad guy, going like, well, you know, like he's
the best available. Like now, I and I understand what
you're saying, but but just what is he supposed to say?
We'll see. But see, that's what complicates this as you said,

(01:02:43):
and one accurately. Jerry has always been a player's guy.
But when Jerry was the guy who really controlled the
purse strings percent, when he was he was the general manager,
that door was open and he would do these massive
deals with guys. I mean, just deals that you know,
would blow the minds of agents who couldn't believe, you know,
some of the deals that players are in. That's what's

(01:03:05):
changed in this dynamic a little bit. You have Jerry
coming out here saying all these things. And I think
if it was just Jerry's decision, Jerry would do the
big deal with Dak Like he wouldn't worry about the
money and say, we're gonna do the big deal. We're
gonna pay him. Yeah, you think you were overpaying him.
But I also remember the string of quarterbacks we had
before Tony Romo developed into what he was. Um, so
I'm gonna do this deal. But now Stephen Jones, his

(01:03:25):
son is the Spear, had a lot of a lot
of these deals. And when you talk to people who
do deals with Stephen Jones, they'll tell you he's really
hard to do deals with. He's not just throwing money out.
He's not a t M like Jerry was in past years.
So the financial dynamics have changed a little bit, and
that's what complicates us. You have Jerry out here saying
all these great things about Daki's franchise quarterback, the kind

(01:03:48):
of language in which you would do the massive deal
that Dak Prescott's representation is now pushing for. But then
you have the son who's saying, hey, wait a minute,
we want to be smart here financially because we have
Jalen Smith down the out who we have to sign.
We have other guys who we'd like to extend down
the road, and if we do this kind of deal,
we just blow your salary out without trying to be
you know a little, without looking at the economic feasibility

(01:04:11):
of it, We're gonna have some complications. So it's it's
interesting dynamic of what's going on inside the Dallas Cowboys
ownership right now because Steven Jones is not the same
guy financially as Gary Jones. Great stuff, really insightful, Charles,
Thanks for joining us. Look forward to talking to the
season rolls on. Absolutely. Thanks for That's Charles Robinson, senior
NFL reporter for Yahoo's Sports Film. On Twitter at Charles Robinson.

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we don't have to ask um Ramos because he hasn't
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He's laughing at music. Have you been there? I have not?
So the story goes that the closer you are to
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(01:05:17):
doesn't travel. Well, it's like uh, like the Denver Nuggets
or Kansas basketball. It's better at home right the way
that distinct home course or home home what they call
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a home pup advantage because of proximity to the factory. Um,

(01:05:38):
but I mean, like, I thought that was a great
little that was I like the comment by Tiger this week.
No previously m yummy, Yeah, but by what'd you tell
me your beer of choice was? Are you an I
p A guy? Now? That is that because I don't

(01:05:59):
drink music. Is an I p A guy, right? Are good?
Is that your favorite? Is there? If if I if
I'm like I'm going to the store, I'm going to
a liquor store, I would say it changes with the season.
But yeah, currently I p A s are good? Which
one which? Right? Which? Which is your go to right now? Currently?
It would be one from Dudes Brewery. Yeah, there's really

(01:06:22):
a very brewery called Dudes Brewery. Yeah, it's uh micro
brewery that's based off of They basically did it off
of Um, I'm blanking the big Lebowski, so like the Dude. Yeah,
so it's the Dude, but it's good. Yeah, which one
do you like the best? The most excellent? I p
A the most excellent? I p A. There's a there's

(01:06:45):
a pub that's all they may They make their own
beer in Orange County. It's a salty dog whatever. I've
gone to twice, I've I've thought of you. You need
to come down, we'll share. Well, we'll get a point there.
It does make you feel like somehow more of a
you're a drinker when you say let's get a point.
Even though I don't use the measurements of point ever

(01:07:05):
ever in my life. Well it is different. I mean
because most bars you go to will pour you like
a twelve ounce beer, whereas a point is sixteen. So
that I guess that's why it makes you feel more official,
because you're probably actually drinking more beer. That's that's also
a very very good point. See. Look, I'm willing to
change and evolve. I'm not really a beer guy, but

(01:07:27):
if I find the right beer, I will. You know
who says he won't change and evolve. As Mike D'Antoni,
coach of the Houston Rockets, he was on the Woes podcast,
him Warnowski's podcast, and he said this about the team's offense.
Now they have Russell Westbrook, James the horse, and now
you know the second superstar, you as a horse, and

(01:07:48):
you just try to match it up and try to
get the best and then play the way that we
need to play to be the best in our offense.
And it's funny, you know they're gonna change your offense.
Well it's been the number one or two, go and
say it's the best ever, And we're right behind them. Actually,
from mid November on we were at one point better
offensively efficient than the team in the league. So we're

(01:08:10):
not changing much. You know, we'll tweak it. But to
say you got a change, you can't win that way,
that's well, Look, if if he's saying we're not gonna
we're just gonna tweak it and allow Russell Westbrook to
shoot the volume of three point shots at the rest
of the players on the team shoot, well, that would
be a that would be a mistake. And in fairness

(01:08:31):
to Mike D'Antoni, and in this pot he talked about
like if he could go back, he would have he
would have encouraged Steve Nash to shoot more, he would
have shot more threes. They were like a toe in
the water with analytics. They didn't go all the way
in back when he was with the Phoenix Suns. But
if you watch how they played with the Phoenix Suns,
you watch how they played out, they're different. So sometimes

(01:08:52):
you hear those comments, you're like, well, Mike D'Antoni is
not changing. It's not really what he said. He said, well,
we'll tweak it some, but generally James is still are
I and will still play the way we play. The
question becomes can you win with Russell Westbrook and what
I think people are missing is he isn't great defensively.
He obviously is a high volume shooter, but not a

(01:09:14):
high volume maker, and he also doesn't finish as well
as he should. So as much as I'd be encouraged
by the fact that they can go to Linus where
there's nobody in the lane, he hasn't shown the ability
to consistently finish um at the type of rate that
star superstar players should. Colin Coward thinks Russell Wilson and
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Undisputed speak for yourself and Colin Cowherd Show. Speaking of Colin,
he had this to say about two guys in different sports.
He feels like, don't get the respect they deserve. And
now and then Russell Wilson arrived and everything changed, and
suddenly Pete Carroll's the best coach ever, and Marshawn Lynch

(01:11:03):
is the best running back ever, and Richard Sherman is
the best player ever. And now now now, Russell Wilson
arrived and by the way, Russell Wilson was there last year,
and a lot of the other players have all left.
Marshawn Lynch has laughed, and Richard Sherman laughed, and all
the players at Camp Chancellor laugh. Everybody laugh. Oh see,
I had of winning records still, Okay, It's like it's

(01:11:24):
like Steph Curry. It's like Steph Curry. Steph Curry doesn't
get any respect from players because this is the way
it works in pro sports. Cool is a commodity, of course,
not in real life. Smart is grown up, his dependable is.
But in sports among players, Westbrook's more popular than Steph Curry.

(01:11:45):
Steph Curry is not cool. Steph Curry's quiet, and he's religious,
and he's a family guy, and he wears like pharmaceutical shoes.
And Russell Wilson's religious and quiet and not loud and
not and so Steph Curry and Russell Wilson they're also
a little smaller, distinct and unique. They don't get respect
from players. I don't think that. I mean, like again

(01:12:12):
Collins doing the black and white thing, black and white
thing that we do in politics and sometimes we do
in sports. First of all, Russell Westbrook is not more
popular as a player than Steph Curious. The Steph Curry
thing is he was the first unanimous m v P.
And that's when Lebron James. Remember, some people at the

(01:12:32):
time called out Lebron James for what he said. He's like, look,
he's done things to put up numbers no one's ever
seen before. He's like, but when you want to talk
about real value, like there's some other things to it,
be like, oh, you're hating, Like, no, he's right. He's
never been the best player in the NBA um even
if he can score in bunches and do things that

(01:12:53):
no one else can do. No one's ever ever believed
that he's the even Colin wouldn't think he's the best
player in the end. Yet there's two sides at the floor.
The same goes for Russell Wilson. Like, Russell Wilson's a
really good player. He does things with his feet, in
his arm. He's never been the best throwers, not the
best runner. And yeah they were there, they've kept their

(01:13:14):
head above water. He's been really good and by the way,
he's been compensated for it. People have an issue with
Russell Wilson early in his career. Remember that, well, when
he got there. They became good when he got there.
He had nine games this first year where he threw
for less than two yards. Like, they weren't good because
of him, they were good because of the defense and
he just managed the game. He's grown into being a
very very good quarterback. He was he was a better

(01:13:39):
version of Dak Prescott before Dak Prescott, Right, That's that's
really what he is, and he's shown the ability to
evolve into a franchise caliber quarterback. I mean, they don't
like people don't like Russell Wilson because I think it
is it's it's the it's not that he's religious, it's
they don't believe he's really religious or as he the person,

(01:14:00):
he's kind of a politician who seems to be now
whether or not that's I mean, he has a great
relationship with his owner and with the front office, and
I actually think that's smart. But I do think there
are guys in that locker room that that don't trust that.
As for Steph Curry, he's never had an issue with
another player that I'm aware of that he's played with,
not one like Russell Wilson has had trouble with guys

(01:14:24):
that he played with, not Steff. Steff has never had
an issue with anybody's played with, and he is the
real deal guy that he proposed to be that the
issue with Steff is there's just limitations in terms of physics.
It's a hard league when you're small. It's a hard
league when you're a jump shooter. And I get there's
other things with Steph. You know, there's the light skinned

(01:14:46):
versus dark skinned. That's like it's like a black thing. Like, um,
I'm not saying I know about it. I do know
it's a thing. It's been talked a lot about. Uh.
And I do think that the NBA has gotten behind
him because he's so ridiculous popular, and you know, there's
there's some inherent jealousies with that, but like, look, there's
the same number of people jealous about Russell Westbrook or

(01:15:08):
don't like that have called out Russell Westbrook for the
fake stats of the triple double instead of just simply
saying Russell Westbrook's averaging a triple double three years in
a row, same thing. So I don't think it's nearly
as simple as they're not getting respect. Everybody thinks they're tremendous.
Step has been called the best shooter in the history
of the sport, and Russell Wilson has survived the purge

(01:15:30):
and looks like he's now become one of the top
ten quarterbacks in the NFL, maybe top five. Like the
point we're going to discuss this year that no one
else is gonna discuss, is I get it? Max Kellerman
kind of looks clownish for saying that Tom Brady would
fall off a cliff. But the performance of Breeze Brady

(01:15:54):
Philip Rivers the last month of the season arm strength
wise wasn't great. At least one of them is going
to see a substantial, substantial backpedaling in terms of their
ability to throw the ball downfield. That's just father time.
How they manage that, how they play through that, that
would be really interesting this season, which everybody else treating
Drew Brees like he's Drew Brees from ten years ago,

(01:16:17):
treating Tom Brady like he's Tom Brady from five years ago,
treating Philip Rivers like he's Philip Rivers and five years ago. Alright,
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dot com. You know that he's like game that we
always do in sports. We especially do it around NFL
draft time, don't we or NBA draft time. You know,
he's like, he's like this guy, he's like that guy.
And there's some discussion in sports as to like, why

(01:17:20):
is the black guy who's gonna be like a black
guy and a white guys gonna be like a white guy?
Why does he not have to be like a white guy? Right? Why? Why? Why?
Why does that matter? If his game, if his mannerisms,
of his style, if the way he carries himself, if
it is in fact similar, does it really matter if
he's why it's black? No? And white guys, do you

(01:17:42):
remind you of what another white guy and a black
guy doesn't mean that always but most of the time. Yeah. Right,
So I was I was thinking about this Dak Prescott situation.
And we've talked about We've talked about his contracts, allue
who he is, how good he actually is, what it

(01:18:03):
does to the you know, what it all does to
the Dallas Cowboys depending upon what his the final tally
is for their contract situation for the future. That we've
discussed this, and something interesting happened over the weekend. Now,
I don't do it often, but I do it enough

(01:18:25):
where you can go to our we have a Facebook page,
and on the Facebook page, I do actually have access
to it. Like, it's not one of those things that
I don't have access to. I do. I just don't
often go in there and and read the read the comments.
Just don't or I don't necessarily answer every text right

(01:18:48):
away when it's sent to me, but I thought I
would because well, I mean, truth is, I'm kind of bored,
not dully bored. I was at the beach and I
saw a post and I thought, Wow, that's actually really
really good. It's actually totally appropriate it's actually right on point.

(01:19:14):
And the basic idea is this, in trying to find
who Dak Prescott is, how do you evaluate him? How
do you value him? How do you figure out what
he's worth to the Dallas Cowboys. I think I found
it with help from a couple of emailers into the
Doug Gottlieb Show Facebook page. You know it is Dak

(01:19:38):
Prescott is Draymond Green. Let miss say that again, Dak
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(01:20:00):
Prescott is Draymond Green. And you're gonna sit there and
it's kind of rattling around your head. You're like, Okay,
where's he going with this one? Let me try and
figure this one out. I don't know what what do
we think here? Okay, let me sell it to you.
Do I think now, I don't think Dak Prescott to
this point is going into the Hall of Fame. And

(01:20:23):
I'd say there's actually a decent chance that Draymond Green
better than decent chance that Draymond Green goes to the
Hall of Fame. And that's mostly because the teams he'd
been on have one NBA championships, Right, But but this
is really more what i'd get to. I think you
lined up every NBA player, Draymond Green is probably not

(01:20:43):
a top forty guy. It's just not like in terms
of just his his skill set, you can't put Draymond
Green as one of your two best players and think
to yourself, all right, we're gonna go and go to
the playoffs. On the other hand, with the Golden State Warriors,

(01:21:05):
he's been unbelievable. He brings value to them, they bring
value to him. To this point, they're way better off
with him than they are without him. Because he can
guard all five positions. He allows everybody else to He
can be almost like their point guard and play center. Defensively,
it allows Staff to be Staff, Clay to be Clay.

(01:21:26):
Previous to him leaving KD T B k D, he
was good enough as a post offenditor, guard centers, good
enough as a ball handler to handle the basketball. He's
screen He'll do the little things I don't think Dak
Prescott is one of the top ten quarterbacks in National
footbablllic I know. I think you put him on his
own team, you take him outside of Dallas Cowboys. Put

(01:21:48):
him on the Tampay Buccaneers, he stinks. You put him
on the Washington Redskins. He's okay. He's not great. He's
not terribly accurate. Though he runs. It's not like he's
a blur. It's not like he picks a part of
defense with his accuracy or with his acumen, you know,

(01:22:09):
changing things lie scrimmage. On the other hand, he's a
damn good player. He's good in that locker room. He's
a stabilizing force. Those guys seem to like him. Those
guys play hard for him. And when you put the
right rep weapons around him, it's pretty good and they're
very good. So oftentimes in sports, we get caught up

(01:22:31):
trying to compare the same sport, let alone, the same race.
In this particular case, while it's the same race, it's
a completely different sport. And I I say to you
with some confidence, what if I told you that Dak
Prescott and Draymond Green are the same guy, just in
different different sports, good players, great situation, and look, everybody

(01:22:59):
is about so many so much is about their situation,
and it's not. I mean, I I went on a
Twitter rant the other day about you know people, I've
I've heard all these top coaches mentioned in the NBA.
Nobody mentioned Steve Kerr, Like, Wow, you know, Steve Carry's
got Steph Curry, He's got Clay Thompson and Draymond Green,
Mark Jackson and those guys. He won seventy three games.

(01:23:24):
They played small ball and had the best defensive rating
in the league. They won seventy three games, won a
couple of NBA championships, and no one's ever won it
without players. It. Yes, it has to be right situation.
Nobody wins in a bad situation. That's why it's a
bad situation. So I um I I look at the

(01:23:51):
two and I think, did it take situation, the situation,
the surrounding cast, the right timing and all of that
for them to be the best version of themselves? Sure?
Does that increase their value to that team, Yes, but
it decreases their value on the open market because most
anybody else doesn't have that situation, and so it does

(01:24:15):
become buyer beware for anybody who wants Dak Prescott or
for Draymond Green. And I think most of the league
knows that, and I think Draymond and Dak know that,
and that's why they're going to try and capitalize on
instead of taking a hometown discount, doing the opposite of it.
Am I making sense? Ry Music? Does that? The argument
hold water? Absolutely? I remember our old colleague now he

(01:24:40):
does can be r in the Bay Area. We had
we still have Mark Willard on every once in a while,
but when he was hosting here at Fox, I had
this conversation with him because he's from the Bay Area
Warriors fan. When the Warriors were winning championships without Kevin Durant,
I used always have that conversation with him. He was
always saying, oh, you put Draymond on his own team
and just see what would happen. And I always looked

(01:25:02):
at it. I was like, there's no way if Draymond
Green was your best player that that's a playoff team.
He's like, well, he does so much, he does so much,
he's so well rounded. He was always such an advocate
for Draymond Green, and I just never saw it. But
clearly what Draymond does for that team beyond just defensively,
but toughness and people always talk about him being the

(01:25:24):
leader in the locker room. Clearly it's exactly what that
team needed. And with the Cowboys, I mean, when Tony
Romo went down, it seemed like that team was left
for dead, but Dak Prescott stepped right in and seemed
to be just the guy they needed to sort of
take over the team. Now you've always said, I know
they should have given the team back to Romo, but

(01:25:46):
that's I thought. I thought for the Yeah, I mean
I thought for the playoffs they should have. I thought
the end of the season they should have. And because
of his experience, because Frankie is just a better quarterback
to Romo. Turn was a great quarterback. I mean, he's
an outstanding broadcast. He was a great quarterback. He had
for several years the top rated he had top quarterback
rating in the fourth quarter, and people talk about the

(01:26:07):
Romo coasters like one of the reasons that he and
he did have a little bit far to him where
he would have the big turnover, but some of that
was because the rest of the team wasn't that good,
so we had to take some chances and even Romo
kind of remember he inherited that team with Bill parcels
uh and then you know Romo bots the Snap in Seattle.
But some of his ability to succeed was based upon

(01:26:29):
the supporting cast, but also having, you know, people who
believed him. Sean Payton was his play caller early on,
so he had a great play call. I mean, all
these things, everyone needs a little bit of help. But
I would continue that Dak Prescott in the open market,
it's okay. I would say the same thing to Draymond
Green is okay. The both starters are both valuable, but
they're not anything elite and the city they have situationally

(01:26:53):
they're able to They're able to achieve better than their
careers normally could be. And on the other hand, I
do think that those teams need them because if you're
the Dallas Cowboys, good looking, looking for another quarterback, if
you're the Golden State Warriors, part of who you are
is Stephen Clay, but a good part of who you
are is also Draymond Green. Right. NBA champion and analyst

(01:27:17):
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he think of the Rockets now they added Russell Westbrook.
Can those two coexist the way they did in Oklahoma City? Plus? Uh,
does he believe that Chris Paul has done a good
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So for the most part, we're like in take a
breath and and react mode, right Like we're still waiting
on this NFL stuff. You know, Melvin Gordon threatening to

(01:28:20):
sit out, Zeke Elliott not really threatening but kind of
leaking stories to the might I might sit out. We're
not there yet. With NFL training camps and with the
exception to Chris Paul, the dust is relatively settled in
the NBA, and so we're kind of reacting. We gotta
this middle thing. Even in baseball. We're getting ready for
the trade deadline, but we're not there yet. Um. Dante

(01:28:42):
Jones is an NBA champion and analyst. He's also be
playing in the Big Three this weekend in Kansas City,
when the great sports towns in all of America don't Dante,
what was your reaction to Russell Westbrook and Chris Paul
trading places? Um, I thought it was positive for the
the market. I know they're they're they're searching for answers,
and they're trying to find somebody to play next to James,

(01:29:05):
and they're trying to develop some type of championship culture
and some and just to be able to compete. I
thought Chris Paul and James butting heads at the end
of the season, they needed some type of fresh energy.
Russ has a relationship with James, so it seems like
it fits they can at least personally get along if
you can personally get along, you can turn that into

(01:29:25):
the work environment, turn into something positive. So it seems
like it's a it's a it's a good fit for
the Houston team with having a younger poor God, somebody
who can draw attention away from James and they can
try to find a dynamic to where they can score
and play off each other. I thought it adds to
the overall um excitement of basketball and the NBA having
another dynamic duo, so they have the organization and the

(01:29:48):
and the person nailed to fit around those two guys.
Role players who know how to play without the basketball,
know how to contribute, you know how to do things
to win. So I thought it was it was good
for the Rockets. It feels like there's a butt there right.
It feels like what you're saying is kind of what
I said, which is are they better? Yeah? I mean
it would probably be a little better a little bit.
You know, they'll they'll they'll get along a little bit better.

(01:30:09):
But is it championship better? And even though they lost
to the Golden State Warriors, um, and the Warriors aren't
as good, everybody else has gotten pronounced lee better than
they have, so it's probably not good enough. Is that
a fair way of looking at it? Well, I wouldn't
say it's not good enough, because if if Golden State
took a step back and they thought they were always

(01:30:30):
the number two or or right af there with Golden State,
then they got a little bit better in State high
up there at the top of the Western Conference, and
the teams that got better were at the bottom or
either in the middle or the bottom of the Western Conference.
So pronounced to be better just puts them up there
with them. And they already have the experience of of
playing against the Golden States and playing at a high

(01:30:51):
level and and just being close enough to get to
the finals. So they got a little bit better, and
they had the experience on their roster and the team,
and we're talking about the Clippers who were a c
couldn't really figure it out, got better now they put
them up there. But we don't know how that dynamic
Kauai and Paul's want to work out, honestly and truthfully.

(01:31:11):
And if that dynamic does work, does that take away
from the bench scoring, because you put a lot of
pressure on the bench when they were and a ceed,
and the bench did most of the work if you
really look at it, they didn't. They did most of
the offensive output. They came in at the six minute mark.
They played a lot of minutes. So now, if you
have two dominant stars, is your bench gonna be able

(01:31:31):
to do the same thing? Are you gonna still rely
on that bench? And then the Lakers we have Lebron
a d and still has to to work itself out.
So the Rockets just replaced one star with another. It's
a point guard. He actually plays a little faster. He
can distribute the ball as well, maybe even better. He's
more athletic. He drawls a lot of context. So I
think they stay up right where they were and teams

(01:31:53):
have to ultimately get to where they are because those
teams haven't figured it out. They just added pieces, okay,
so you believe. And I look at the Nuggets kind
of they ran it back, although they added Jeremy Grant,
which is maybe the most underrated acquisition of the off season.
The Jazz. The Jazz got pronounced the better, right, I
mean they okay? And I think that the the Trailblazers

(01:32:18):
got better as well with Hassan Whiteside. And then they'll
have one of their bigs to move like, I don't know,
Like I think overall the West everybody got better and
got a little bit better, But they also have a
lame duck head coach with a whole new staff. And
as as much as you and I agree, Russell is
more athletic and Russell can do some things, and they

(01:32:40):
have more space to do some things, like Russell is
not easy to coach. And who knows that Mike D'Antoni
is the coach the whole year? Well, yeah, who know that?
And that is that is also who knows that Mike
D'Antoni is the coach? Yeah? Who knows? If they just
get tired and then you know what, we're gont moving
in another direction, that could be that could be better
for them. They could I've been perfectly part of a
team that had a new head coach and won a

(01:33:01):
championship or one to least to the finals. So like,
if that does happen, that's not necessarily a negative. The
who knows? I think they have the personnel to be
able to put something a great product on the floor
of Tyson chans leadership in that locker room, and I
never I've never heard Russ being a hard person to coach,
but also we take a lot away from Billy Donovan

(01:33:23):
down there. Like Billy Donovan has been successful on the
collegiate level, but we haven't held him accountable on the
NBA level. He's had talent he hasn't produced, and we
don't know if it's Russ or Billy. But now we
put him in a situation with get him more possessions.
He gets to play with better personnel, and now we
can see where Russ is. But Russ has also been

(01:33:43):
a part of a team that's going to the finals
as well, So it's not I don't think it all
lies in Russ. I thin Russ has a strong personality
and Russ demands a lot of attention. Russ is also
a great guy off the floor. I don't see him
as a hard guy to coach. I just see him
as has a personality that is intense at all points
and times. I don't see him a black out on
coaches or or having that label of being an uncoachurable

(01:34:04):
don d Jones joining us on the Doug Otlip Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. What do you think of
the Lakers roster just on paper? How do you think
it looks on paper is solid and on paper, it
brings a winning culture to a winning organization. You've got guys,
you got what five six guys who've either been to
the finals or one championships, and that's the culture that
you want to where um, their g M is going

(01:34:27):
out and say, you know, we don't win a championship
this year is a failure. And that is what ultimately
you wanted for the Los Angeles Lakers franchise. You have
Lebron James, you have eight d you have excellence expected.
Those guys know what it feels like. They have the
pressure of of of trying to win a championship and
having those expectations of championship expectations on on you for
a full year. So it's solid, Avery Bradley, Danny Danny

(01:34:50):
Green got you can shoot the ball and guard wings
that you know what to expect out of them on
the night and they basic and they know what to contribute.
Quinn Cook back of very very good backup point guard,
Region Rondo a starter on a championship team. Um, you
got big that that that that know their role rebound
to fin rim run. DeMarcus Cousins could be in the

(01:35:12):
best situation he'd ever been in with with championship expectations,
championship leadership, and a role to to fill because he's
been to the finals and he knows what it feels
like and he knows what um what what what he
missed out on. So now this is time for DeMarcus
Cousins to go in and just do what he's supposed
to on a on a championship level team. And if

(01:35:32):
he does, then then he could maybe have a rebirth
for his career. I'm with you, I don't know the
DeMarcus Cousins think will be interesting. I do think the
experience factor overall is one of the reasons that they
feel so good matching up against the Clippers, like and
then like you know, and you mentioned like everyone just

(01:35:52):
thinks you put two stars in the Clippers and everybody
keeps the same role and they'll be better, Like it's
not really the way it works. And then Paul George
has been a guy who he's got two shoulder surgery
Reese and he had his knee cleaned up last year.
He obviously uh sadly broke his leg and a half
a couple of years ago with with Team USA, Like
there I love what the Clippers did and I can't
believe they pulled it off. But there are some it's

(01:36:12):
not just hand them to Larry O'Brian trophy. You're gonna
have to You're gonna have to minutes manage and um
try and get rest to two to their number. They're
they're both of their stars, and so they lost a
lot of their young depths. We're trying to get these
two stars. So it's not the same. Most people equate
the Clippers as, yeah, we just added Paul George to
the team we had last year. No, you gave away

(01:36:34):
the pieces that gave you your identity last year, and
I don't understand how you. I understand why they are
the top of the league, but part of their identity
is gone. And you've got two guys that coming off injuries.
Paul George won't be able to play a full season
this year to showld the surgeries, but he'll still be
able to contribute and still be one of the superstars
in our leage. Kawai Leonard, his quad injury is not

(01:36:56):
going anywhere. He's gonna have to be minutes managed throughout
the whole year. And you've got a bunch of guys
that don't have championship experience, like Paul George has never
been to a conference final. Well, he's been, he's never
been to a finals. I apologize. Um Kauai is the
only person would a ring on that roster. Lou Williams
has never been to a tour finals or a conference
finals Montre, Ohio. I don't think those guys have ever

(01:37:18):
won at that level. To expect him to just get
jump right to that level, it's not fair. Yeah, and
and now you have to do it in order to
have that experience. But you're right, there is something about
guys that have experience that they seem to have a
sort of sort of calm about them. Umlas. Last thing

(01:37:39):
no one's mentioned the East at all, Toronto obviously is
is not the same um yesterday we saw Ben Simmons
get a huge deal five years one seventy. Who do
you think the best team in the East is. I
would give it to the six Ers at this point
in time, um um uh. If if I had to

(01:38:00):
take a guess, I will take a guess that j
Rson it fits right into them and give them some
shooting and give them the present that JJ Reddick, did
um give them some a championship level player on their roster,
a guy who been looking for some some leadership in
that capacity. Um. But then you have the youth, and
you have Al Horford, the steady foundational piece that is
going to bring that winning mentality at all points and times.

(01:38:22):
I think they got they got. They didn't necessarily get better,
but they got more versatile, if you could say that,
and they'll be at the top headlining the Eastern Conference. Hey,
there's been some criticism of Chris Paul's leadership with the
NBA p A, you know, and there was one report
that some players um rolled their eyes, maybe even chuckled

(01:38:44):
when he was dealt. And you know, one of the
reasons that they're having the thunder having a hard time
moving him is because of that massive contract. And it's
been pointing out like, uh, there's a lot of the
details of the new cb A. While the NBA is
bringing in huge amounts of money and sharing it with
their players, it seems to be sharing with guys like
Chris Paul more so than the rank and file guys.

(01:39:05):
You remember the NBA p A. You're in the league
when the new when the new CBA was negotiated. What's
your opinion of his leadership and if it's disproportionately benefited
guys like Chris Paul, Well, it has. Ultimately it has
been better for the for the players on their side,
So it's more money coming into the game, more people
getting paid. But yes, as a leader, he found loopholes

(01:39:28):
or voted on things that could help people like him
and they ultimately voted him in. So at this point
in time, that's where he represented the players Association. I
don't think he didn't anything wrong. I just think he
extended the max to uh the age for max contract
and he just having to be up for a max contrarct.
So at this point in time, it's just it was

(01:39:50):
it was the rules. It was what you wanted out
of your leadership, and he gave it to you. So
the game is in a good place. Yes, he maybe
he may have gotten paid under a ruled he tried
to push through. But the game is in a in
a good place. We got good basketball, we got money
being passed out. I think you're just you're just you're
crying over things that that number one you could have controlled.
You could have anybody that's crying You could have tried

(01:40:12):
to be in the leadership. You could have took that
responsibility of trying to be the president of the NBA
Players Association. You could have put that effort and that
commitment took the organization and to the players. Chris paul
stepped on the front lines, put his reputation on it,
represented the players. He did what he's supposed to. So
I don't have any problem with with what's going on.
All right, easy on the barbecue until after the Big Three. Right,

(01:40:33):
you don't have to weigh you down. This way's weight, man,
I'm trying to still play. It's hurt. I hear you.
I played an adult league game and Casey Paula shows
up like and place the other team, and I'm like, dude,
what am I doing on this course? Somebody get me
out of me. That's so the next day, hey, best
of luck this weekend the Big Three and Casey and
thanks for joining us. Thank you. That's Dante Jones joining us.

(01:40:57):
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I got it by Are you ready for me? Can
I kitch you at the game that you'll want to
go see? Yes, okay, Chiefs taking on the Packers. That'll
be a tough ticket. Listen, got we can we can

(01:41:21):
get that. All right, all right, we can get Let's
do it. Let's do it. Let's what do you guys?
What do you guys think? Rama's Well, Ramas is gonna
have a baby, so he's out. Is that in l
A By the way, that game, Ramos is actually gonna
get in the car now, so that way he can
hopefully make it to Kansas City and time. Yes, yeah,

(01:41:42):
get on that motor home action. We're ready to go.
You really won't fly at all like your b A Bracus?
Is that what you probably not? Yeah? I might take
the old Greyhound he always has to park as Mad
and crew are on the ninth floor here at the
parking Girl. That would actually be that would be actually

(01:42:03):
super fun. Right if like we got like a Madden
Cruiser for the first minutes. That's giving it a little
too much time, man, what would I don't understand? What
what's the downside of it? Uh? Sitting in the same
vehicle with John for more than forty five minutes? No,
I'm just in the same studio every day. Technically no,
Dan has his own studio the expert Ryan Music, who

(01:42:25):
has to deal with That's a Sunday night game, by
the way, so that would take us out from Monday.
But that that's a pretty um that would be reason
to keep us in town to do the show Monday
from Kansas City. They also play the Vikings on Fox
the next week. I only bring that up because I
want to be easier to take up. But two, it's
a Fox game, so there's a chance we could get

(01:42:46):
hooked up a little like the fiftieth anniversary of Super
Bowl four Chiefs of Vikings. Yeah, well, I don't know.
That's probably not why they're doing that, but that's what
it is. The f C West does play the NFC
North this year. M hm, So again, why would it be.
I understand why you like. I feel like driving cross

(01:43:07):
country is way easier now than it was when I was.
When I moved to California eighty one, we drove across
country and my mom station wagon and um, we had
three dogs in the car and to two dogs. Then
we had two dogs in the car, three kids. I mean,
we're basically like, um, vacation like a Chevy Chase vacation,
and you had the back row of the station wagon

(01:43:29):
faced the other way right, so you could look at
cars the other way and no, you know, no devices
and you play the license plate game like that was
sheer monotony. Nowadays, you get the right car, you have
WiFi in your car, WI find your car and we
could share driving duties. I'll be honest, You and Ramos

(01:43:52):
drive Dan, We'll book our tickets. And that's why I
had a conversation yesterday with Big Mike. We were talking
about road trips that said, the one thing bad thing
about road trips is it's not going there, it's having
to go back. Like going there is fun because you
have something to look forward to. And they're like, all right,
it's all done. Now you gotta you know, haul for
the next two days. Yeah. That's that's how I feel

(01:44:14):
about about running or riding a bike somewhere, right, Like
you go ride, Let's go ride our bikes to the beach,
Like how how far? It's like, oh, it's only like
two miles downhill, Like yeah, but then we had to
ride our bikes back. I don't want to do that.
Let's go run. Let's go run the coffee. You know
it's only like a mile. You get a good run,
like yeah, but then I got that can drin coffee.
Then I gotta run back. And after I drink coffee,
I gotta yeah, I gotta sometimes I gotta stop along

(01:44:35):
the way, Like now, it's a good point. It's why
you you have to You can't go straight line to
one place, straight line back. Like, we could do something cool.
This could be a total bonding experience. I can't believe
you guys are so down on us. It's Debbie downers here.
Me and Ramos are we're you know, we're we're thinking about,
you know, getting a sponsorship that does a like Ninnabago

(01:44:55):
could could or you know, somebody else could sponsor that thing.
And what about Delta sponsoring you know our Southwest Airlines,
you know they could sponsor it as well. That's really funny,
it's very funny. Uh, you're not camping guy? Huh didn't
you music? Didn't you tell me that you camp? Aren't

(01:45:16):
you a camper? Yeah? I'm I'm fine with camping. Um,
I'm not necessarily fine with having to drive two full
days in a car to go to a football game.
That's not camping, that's driving two full days to go
to a football game. We're gonna take a seventy two Winnebago.

(01:45:36):
And that's exactly what it sounds exactly. I'll show you
a really funny, a really funny story. So I got
a buddy who um who I one of my our
closest friends of family. It's in Connecticut. And when they
had their third he was he was terrible. And they
go to their big vacation spot was a Ruba. He

(01:45:58):
has Dutch Dutch citizenship as well, and Ruba is a
Dutch province whatever, so they would whenever they'd fly down
there and Aruba was there was there jam And for
the first maybe two or three years of his life.
Will Is, the little boy's name was, was boardline terrorist.
On a plane like he could. He just would cry

(01:46:19):
and cry and cry. And so he decided, to hell
with this, this is crazy. I'm gonna buy into him.
It made sense. I'm gonna buy a mobile home. And
he bought a really nice like mobile home and they
they traversed the country um for the next summer. And
so you know, they went here, they went there. They
would stayed at the beach. They did this and that.

(01:46:42):
So I remember we had we got together and at
the end of the summer, I was like, how was it.
He's like, oh, it was great. It was great, But
I'm done with the mobile home. I was like, of course,
you know, because like anything with kids, it passes. Now
his son doesn't cry, and you know, you're ready to
kill each other after a while, after two weeks on
the road, at three weeks on the road. So he
goes to sell it, and he had it's a beauty,

(01:47:04):
I mean like, it's a really nice and somehow the
guy kind of up sells him and he ends up
buying basically like a tour bus. And the next summer
they do it again, and now he's like several hundred
grand into it. This is rich people problems. I don't
have them. He does, And yeah, he got up up
sold on. It wasn't even Winnebago. It was basically a

(01:47:26):
tour bus and it was the coolest thing ever. And
my only disappointment is that he sold that one before
I could borrow it from him, because I would like
to borrow one of those. It's like a boat. I'd
like to borrow it. I don't want to own it
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(01:48:11):
Dan Buyer, Doug, we did talk about the Horns downs
esture at the Big twelve Media Days, is that the
announcement was that that's mostly banned. You'll be penalized by
using it. SEC Media Days continuing and as part of
college Football's fiftieth anniversary and the SEC doing some other things,
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(01:48:34):
out the press conference reminding everyone that Orlando won the
A A f L this year. Of course that was
the well, hey just want AFL. He was the the
head coach of the Orlando Apollos. A source told Pro
Football Talk dot Com there's about at chance that Rob
Gronkowski comes out of retirement to play for the Patriots

(01:48:55):
again this season. Of course, he's lost a bunch of weight,
but the source is that Tom Brady's message of possibly
wanting him to come back could weigh heavily on Gronk's minds.
Mind is I'm paraphrasing, but chance that Gronk comes back,
I think that's actually what I said. Yes, uh music
is that was that the percentage that? Now I didn't
I knew percentages yesterday? Maybe I did. I remember saying

(01:49:19):
that exact number on ground. The problem is he's he's
gonna be He's gonna enjoy being thin and not having
that football weight and how his body feels, and I
think that ends up being the determining factor Titans. Titan's
quarterback Marcus Mariota doesn't have a contract for next season,
but that coach Mike Rabel says he expects Mariota to

(01:49:40):
play well enough to remain the team's long term answer
at quarterback, telling SI dot Com quote, I know marcus
demeanor and that won't change whether he's on a ten
year contract or it's up after the season. He's that
type of person, so I know it'll work because of
how he is end quotes. I don't know if that's
about a confidence or not. We're not gonna give you
a contract, but we know you're gonna end up being

(01:50:03):
so awesome, we're gonna give you a contract. Try that again.
I love all these Try that out in your girlfriend. No, no, no, honey, listen,
you're amazing, You're wonderful of I'm I feel like we're
gonna have such a great year that next year, I'm
gonna ask you to marry me. But I know we've
been together three years, and I just don't think now
is the right time. And she's like, no, no, no,

(01:50:24):
I'm not saying that you have to marry me right now,
just like an engagement ring. Like no, I think that. Like,
let's spend a year and you show me how awesome
you are. It's beautiful man. A ts N report says
the Raptors don't plan on trading Kyle Lowry, Marcusol or
Sergebaka prior to the start of the season, all players
entering the final year of their contracts, but things could
change if things don't go well in the regular season. Yeah,

(01:50:46):
I mean that's they don't plan on it. We don't
plan on traded him until some awesome, you know, awesome
deal comes our way. So I I understand that as
of now, this is their plan, wait till the trade
line or try some sign and trades. But just this
is just a public statement so that people remember, Oh yeah,

(01:51:08):
all those guys are in the last year their deal.
The w n b A suspended Rokwana Williams of the
l A Sparks ten games for a domestic violence incident
involving her girlfriend this past winter. Williams allegedly also threatened
to shoot a man at the scene as he tried
to break up the incident. Was that wrong? Should I
not have done that? Her quote to the guy was

(01:51:28):
you'll get all eighteen before leaving the scene as she
pulled the gun out of the car. W NBAS thirty
four regular season games, so she'll miss about a third
of the season. Did thug life? Huh? I mean you'll
taste you'll get all these bullets. She's not playing around.
Um yeah, I mean like that's part of the deal. Like,
I guess that's what what applies to any sport would

(01:51:52):
have applies to heterosexual relationships. Should should be the same
to homosexual relationships. I guess I know some news and
Major League Baseball. I agree with you. Relationships are relationships,
and if you're committing a felony, a felony is a felony.
Fox Sports John Morossi reports the Brewers are among the
team's interested in acquiring Diamondbacks pitcher Robbie Ray. Okay, yeah,

(01:52:15):
that'll fix it. Uh. Yankees, Astros and Phillies also interested
in race services. Moross He adds that the Rockies aren't
yet sellers prior to the trade deadline, despite losing nine
of their last eleven. This is the issue that I see.
Not to interrupt, but the Dodgers are so dark and
good that if you're a team in the National League
that is thinking about it, is it really worth giving

(01:52:37):
up anything considering I mean, I can understand the American
League if you're the Twins or Astros and you want
to go after the Yankees. But hi, man, I don't
know if you're on the well, if you're on the bubble,
and we've seen teams you know, hang around, hang around
because of that additional wild card spot, you know, still
find a way to get in. Um. Yeah, but I mean, look,

(01:53:00):
there's the final If you can have somebody take a
bad contract off your hands. And the Dodgers have told
people before they pay, like the Dodger tax. People have
come to them with ridiculously bad deals. And that's and
you know, they made one bad decision. They chose what
who was it, Channo park right instead of instead of
Justin Verlander two years ago, and that end up ultimately

(01:53:24):
cho Park No, you Darvers, They chose you Darvish over
Justin Verlander, and that obviously changed history greatly. Part of
it was Verlander, remember, wasn't throwing that well with Detroit,
and Houston helped get him right with those slow motion cameras.
Finally dug for the first time in almost twenty years,
Wisconsin basketball putting names on the back of their jerseys.

(01:53:45):
Thank god. Yeah, I get, I get Indiana doesn't do it,
but like they're gonna need new names because Ethan has
gone and turns out there's other guys on Wisconsin's bouse
clap bagging out there and pressed. That was the press,
all right, So we didn't solve the world's problems today,
but we did establish that football players have become quite

(01:54:05):
the whiny lot. Some of it is because they're not
making as much money, or they will perceive themselves making
as much money as others. And some is because they're
paying attention to their own brethren getting new contracts and
they want them. We'll try and tackle more of the
world's problems tomorrow on The dug Otlip Show.
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