August 18, 2023 • 43 mins
On the Friday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Dan Beyer and Kerry Rhodes in for Doug, as they discuss the comments from Dolphins' All-Pro Tyreek Hill about preparing for opponents by playing his Madden video game.
Dan and Kerry talk about the Baltimore Ravens and how the offensive coordinator admitted to including Lamar Jackson's input on plays.
Former NFL GM Mark Dominik joins Dan and Kerry to discuss Tyreek Hill, the Commanders, and what it's like being in a war room during an NFL Draft.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
No better way to spend a Friday. And Carrie, I've
got news for you. You ready for this one? This
is the This is the final weekend that we've got
of the summer without college football, because we actually have
college football a week from tomorrow. So, yes, summer is
about to end and football season is even closer than
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
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Speaker 4 (00:41):
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we're not gonna talk a lot of college football We're
gonna talk a lot of NFL, and that's where we
are going to start today. Carrie spent eight seasons in
the National Football League, eight strong seasons in the NFL,
(01:11):
and I'm gonna just pick your brain right off the
gate because it's gonna lead into to the topic that
I just feel is so interesting and so intriguing. Can
you give me a snapshot, Carrie, of what it's like,
not game day, but game week as a defender preparing
for your opponent, Like, do you do you start watching
(01:33):
film that Sunday night after a game of your next opponent?
How long does it take? How much film do you watch?
Can you give us a little snapshot of what your
week would be, you know, as a defender. Let's say you're,
you know, playing with the Jets as you were, and
you got Buffalo coming in. How would you prepare that week?
How would you put it all together as a defender?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Well, Sunday after that game, I'm not worried about anything.
I'm trying to recoup, right, so that Sunday I'm gonna
play football that day, go home, get a nice dinner,
watch some True Blood at the time for me, which
is one of my favorite shows and and kind of
detalks away from the game. But then starting Monday, I'm
gonna go into the facility, get a workout in, start
(02:13):
watching the film immediately on Monday, and getting ready for
at that time Buffalo. In my early years, it'll be
Eric Moles and Lee Evans and Roscoe Paris and those
type of guys. So I'm trying to see who can
hurt me the most right away, So I'm.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Trying to figure that out.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
But yeah, directly diving in that Monday, straight to work,
getting ready for the week. And you know, it's a
big thing for defenders because we're at a disadvantage usually
unless we're planning in the Rex Ryan days where we're
the aggressor where we're trying to figure out no, who
can hurt us and who's gonna present the most possible
damage for So yes, straight to film study, get some
get a workout in, and get ready to.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Play Buffalo on Sunday. We're getting ready to be prepared.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
What day do you fire up Madden and look at
the ratings of players.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
At that time Madden? And I was not looking at
any any Madden.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I mean, first and foremost, Hey, I'm a big proponent
in Madden numbers being skewed and wronged.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Okay, I'm not looking at that at.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
All, perfect because it leads to what Tyreek Hill said
yesterday of the Miami Dolphins, and these comments carry blow
my mind on so many different levels. And it's maybe
it's the fact that he just admitted to it, but
then I have to realize that there is an ego
to a wide receiver. This was Tyreek Hill of the
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Miami Dolphins talking about how he preps for his opponents
during game weeks of the NFL season.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
I feel like Madden has a good tale of how
good players are. So I just played Madden the night
before and I go look at out A ratings. So
let's say, for instance, they had Steve Nelson and Derek
Stingley over the two phenomenal players. By the way, I
just go get on Madden. I go to the EA
rosters and then I scrolled on and see what they
awareness is, They speed is and they scrimt and that's.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
How I get a good tail on her. Are you
insulted by then? As a former defensive player that Tyreek Hill.
By the way, this isn't on a Monday or Tuesday
off game week, right, he just does it the night
before that. He logs into Madden and that's how he
does his scouting.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah, yeah, he's Is he sponsored by by any chance?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
That's a good question. I don't know. There may be
the case. Yeah, that would be the only explanation.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, we need to check that first and foremost.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
But I mean, more than anything, when I hear these comments,
he's just I think he's just you know, just taking
the piss at it and really trying to downplay what
he does. There's no way he's not studying those guys,
or at least watching some tape to see what those
defenders are doing. I think it's more of him being
you know, the braggadocious receiver that he is, and I
haven't watched enough tape on Tyreek to see, you know,
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see his tendencies or see what he does really.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
But I know for a.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Fact, you know, an offense as complex as the one
that he's in and being able. Obviously, he's such a
speed guy and such a guy that you know, guys
were expect right away they're going to give him cushions,
so it may be a little easier for him, But
he's watching a little tape. That's I think that's a
little much.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I think something that you said at the in the out,
you know, or as we're coming into the show, just
before we played that that clip was very true in
terms of of even if even if the if that
was your way of scouting, right, you don't even believe
in mad numbers that they were real or not. And
that's the other crazy part about it is Tyreek Hill
(05:30):
is actually this is about five things that I think
are crazy about it. One of one of the crazy
things about it is he is using the EA Sports
researchers to do the work for him on who is
good and who is bad and who does what and
how they play. And I think it sounds like it
comes off like, man, Tyreek Hill is amazing. And the
(05:52):
reason that I know that it comes off that way,
it didn't come off that way to me. Carry is
is I saw multiple articles. I saw it on the Bleacher.
I actually saw it on cbssports dot com. This was
This is what was written about the comments that tyreek
Kill made in saying that he preps for opponents by
looking at the Madden ratings the night before. One site wrote,
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the technique seems to be working because he'll consistently gets
the best of the defensive backs who line up across
from him. Another one hard to argue with his method
considering his production. No, I think you can argue with
it because there's a lot there. Like I have a
problem carry that Tyreek Kill feels that he doesn't need
to scout because he's good enough already, like that there's
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no next level for him to go to, and I
would disagree. I also think that when you have a
quarterback like to a Tongue of Iloa, who is in
the spotlight as much as he is an expert, any
extra preparation that you could provide to help your quarterback
would be beneficial. I mean, he is in the he
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is in the crosshairs of us. We can week out
and it's the off season right now and we're still
talking about Tua. Like if I'm the quarterback of the Dolphins,
I'm saying to myself, wait a sec. My top top
target isn't even concerned about what you know the defender does,
or what they do on film or what their tendencies are.
I feel it's an awful look for Tyreek Hill, and
(07:19):
I'm even more surprised that you know, media sides are
taking it and just being like, aw shucks, how great
is Tyreek Hill. I don't think that those comments, you know,
do anything but hurt the wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah, Dan, I one hundred percent agree with you, and
I think obviously, yes, there's a level of greatness there
with Tyreek where the numbers, Yeah, they speak for themselves, right,
But at the end of the day, if that was
the case, you're Hall of Fame players, You're the greats
that you kind of you know, kind of embody yourself
being in their presence, seeing the study and the habits
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that they have that they've built over the years. You know,
you come in as a as a first first year guy.
Maybe that is true. As a first year guy, right,
you don't understand the beauty of being prepared and being
a step ahead of your opponent. But as you get
older in the game, which Tyreek is now, he's a veteran,
he's a guy that other guys are looking up to.
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That's not the standard you want to you want to say,
that's not the standard you want to put out there
for your other guys. Because even if that was the case,
you can keep that close to the vest and use
that as something that you have or even you know,
locker talk locker room talk, right, but putting it out
to the media and letting your other younger guys see
that and hear that just isn't the signs of a
guy that's a real leader on your team. And so
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it just doesn't come off well for me either.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
There's a there's a there's another aspect of this, And
I'm curious who was kind of your mentor or you know,
like when you came into the league to show you
how to prep how to do that stuff. Was it
a player or a coach that was a former player?
Who would you lean on?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, it was multiple guys.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
When I first came in, I was there with Curtis Martin, right,
the ultimate pro. I mean, he's the guy you would
put on the board. You would see him, you'll see
his production number one, but you also see the way
he's dressed. He's dressed like the NFL logo, you know.
I mean, like the things that Curtis Martin did or
the example that he set was one that you want
to follow. But also like a player that was on
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the defensive side with me, Jonathan Vilma, he was only
a year ahead of me, but with so entrenched in
you know, being the best version of himself.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
And right he was a smaller guy.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
But the knowledge that that guy had and the way
that he studied, in the habits that he built, you know,
just being a pro every day with somebody I want
to follow and became one of my best friends. We
studied every night and we would alternate houses where we'd
be at the study and just you know, we became
a tandem, a pair that you know, we became a
force to be reckoned with. And that's the way that
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you prepare and that's the way you get better.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I feel that any wide receiver wants to look up
to Jerry Rice, right right, Like I know, like I know,
Jerry Rice isn't playing with Tyreek Hill and Jerry Rice
wasn't you know, your teammate when you played. But if
you're if you're a wide receiver, like that's the gold standard,
that's the goat. Like there's an argument that when you're
talking about the greatest just football player of all time,
Jerry Rice is put it in that conversation and Jerry
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Rice's reputation number one is the absurd numbers. I think
it's the first thing you think of, just the extreme success.
But I would put the next thing on there as
his preparation. We knew about Jerry Rice's training that he did.
We knew about him running the hills that he ran
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him coming up as a young player catching bricks, I
think is what he did as a kid in a
way to make his hands the way they are. That
preparation like that is a part of his story. You know,
rest in peace, Kobe Bryant. But how many stories now
do we hear about Kobe's prep in the NBA and
learning about opponents and learning about defenses. You know, Tyreek
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Hill is going to be thirty years old next March,
and that speed isn't always going to be there. And
I felt like Tyreek Hill actually doesn't get enough respect
on the type of receiver that he is. I'm shocked
at some of the receivers who still don't really catch
with their hands. I feel that Tyreek Hill is a
great you know, ability to he has great body control,
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can put himself in the in position and make catches
despite his short stature. But there's going to be a timer.
That speed isn't there anymore. Jerry Rice played into his forties.
Kobe played into his late thirties. Like this is this
is what like longevity is. And while everything is great
with Tyreek Hill right now, that's not always going to
be there. And that's another like it It bothers me
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to the to the essence of Tyreek Hill could have
that magnificent long career if you start doing these steps
instead of just throwing on mad in the night before
a game. Just these comments just really really just irked me. Yeah,
Dan really did it airked me too.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
But I think again, we live in this information age
where hot takes are are you know, are the thing right?
And so yeah, the best that you can make yourself
look is you know, try and less right. That's kind
of the mentality that most of these you know, hot
takes situations usually kind of the way it plays out, right.
But I just don't ultimately see him not being a
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student of the game at all because playing with coaches,
the coaches that he's played with, playing with Andy Reid,
those guys are going to give you the answers to
the test, and so being able to look at those
things and study those things and know that information is
just only going to make you better so again, I
really don't think there's too much truth to what he's
saying here, But I also wish he didn't say it
to the public. And I's and the only reason I
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say that again is because the younger guys are looking
up to him, and the younger guys are seeing him
as the leader over there over there, I'm sure, and
if that rubs off on those guys in that way
and they started doing that, that's just not going to
help the team.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a great point about the coaches.
I mean, you have two really good coaches who I mean,
you know, Andy Reid's one of the best we've ever had,
and you know, Mike McDaniel is. There's a lot of
praise for him and what he has done. It almost
makes me want to see what would happen with a
lesser coach, you know, someone who maybe doesn't have the
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insights that those two two guys did. Then to see
if Tyreek Hill would need to do more than Madden
just to make it work, you know, maybe pick up
some of that slack that's a you know, maybe it's
a it's a luxury that other wide receivers and others
in the NFL don't have is to be to be
able to have your your career start under Andy Reid
and then move over to Mike McDaniel. It is a
(13:20):
it is a nice thing to have. No, it's a
very good, good point by you.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I was.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I was just as shockcarry as the way that people
just kind of laughed it off and said, oh, that's cool,
you know for a for a guy who is you know,
is a top receiver in the NFL. But what does
it really say if I'm TUA, I'm kind of like,
wait a second, what you know for sure?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
But then even more than that, like it just gives
the media.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
It gives us a chance to to marvel or to
have a headline going tomorrow, right like so for us,
for us, it's great say it, But at the end
of the day, the the EA Madden ratings just it.
They're just not accurate and they don't invest in much
as much time as people think and the full scope
of what their rating is. And I know this for
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a fact because when I was playing, I was a
quarterback my whole career, come to high school, in college
as well, and I looked at my rating just a
proof of point, I saw my throwing power, my throwing
accuracy at like twenty I'm like old, all right, if
you really did your research, you know, I played quarterback, right,
And so I've made this whole video. Me and Nick
Mangole at the time I soon to be I'm sure
(14:24):
Hall of Fame Center. We were doing a video about
the Madden ratings and we we mbel us a little
bit like they do as well, but we had him throw.
His throwing power and accuracy was better than mine because
he's on offense, and it's just not true.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
So the numbers are skewed, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, no, I totally get it. And how it's a
yearly tradition for NFL players to complain about what their
Madden ratings are, right right, like like as you said,
like every year, Like what, first of all, why would
you be throwing the football? But the point is is
there's there's there's there's there's there's guys who come in
and be like, I'm only an eighty two overall, Like
please miss me with that, right, I was so and
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so eighty six and I'm only seventy nine, Like players
complain about it always. So for Tyreek to take it
as gospel is yeah, pretty crazy to me. He's carry roads.
I'm Dan Byer sitting in for Doug Gottlieb today.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
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We'll find out the players that carry things can carry
a team to a Super Bowl in about thirty minutes.
But we start in Baltimore, where I'm gonna just call them.
I know there are a lot of the same faces,
but they're kind of the new look Ravens. When you
add Odell Beckham junior. You just heard Isaac mention that
Jdevian Clowney's not a member of the Baltimore Ravens organization.
(16:03):
You drafted Za Flowers, You've got now Todd Monkin as
your new offensive coordinator. So while some of the key
components are there, Mark Andrews, Lamar Jackson, obviously John Harbaugh,
kind of a fresh start in Baltimore, to try to
get things going, to get to that next step, to
get to a Super Bowl and win a super Bowl,
something they did eleven years ago.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Carrie, Yeah, I think they've addressed a lot of their needs.
They've done a really good job of identifying those things
and you know, bringing in players that can help. They
definitely have the same corps. They have the corp of guys,
you know, Lamar, Mark Andrews, Dobbins, you know, all the
guys Marlon Humphries on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
So they have their core, they have their leaders.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
They now they've added to that mix, and I'm really
excited to see what they do. I know they've I
know there's excitement around the team, but I really want
to see those guys go out there and perform well
man and stay injury free, which has been the problem
for them. But yeah, they have all the ingredients go
out and finally get over to Hump and win a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
And they've got a new offensive coordinator. Greg Roman is
no longer there, Todd Monkin is and Monkett had some
revealing comments when talking about the offense. We think it's
going to be opened up more. That's what we all expect,
more of a passing offense, and apparently some input from
Lamar Jackson himself. This was Monkett earlier this week.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
If you empower your players, you're receptive of their ideas
and they put more time and effort into it, not
just things that they see, but things that they may
see on film or what's on their mind in terms
of a better way of doing it. Because if they
don't have confidence in what we do, you're really in trouble.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
I think that's a step in the right direction.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
And when players have ideas or thoughts or suggestions, spin
my background to hey, let's take a look at it.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
So seemingly an open door policy when it comes to suggestions.
Moncktt did say, you know, I don't want thirty different
suggestions on something, and stuff is got to fit. But
how well will this policy now work with Lamar and
the Ravens in Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
I agree with monk and one hundred percent. You have
to get the guys that have proven their worth in
this league a chance to have input. I mean, Lamar
obviously was an MVP player a couple of years ago.
So the guy can get it done, and you want
to give him the ability to feel like he's a
part of the decision making that's going on on the field,
because number one, your quarterback, especially, he's a guy out
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there that has to have a firm grasp of everything
that's going on, and if he's not confident in that,
he's not going to perform well and he's not going
to be somebody that's going to stick up for you
at the end of the day either. So empowering those guys,
giving them the option to go out there and call
plays the line be you know, have improvisation right, which
he does on the field. Anyway, it only will help
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them and it only makes the bond between coach and
player stronger. And I know when I was playing, having
that input, having that opportunity to say those things, it
really went a long way with me because being a
student of the game and being able to see things
on the field. Obviously bird's eye view. Coaches have this
ability to see things from a grander scale, but when
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you're on the field, you get to have that narrow
look of things and know that you know with the
field of the game. I can make certain things happen,
and having that input is valuable.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
You know. It's funny because I almost think that there's
this fine line carry. If you're Todd Monkett, You're coming in,
it's your first year as an offensive coordinator. They brought
you in for a reason, and it's for what you
provide and it's what you want to do well. Now
you have to marry it not only with a star quarterback,
but now a star quarterback that has gotten the contract
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that was hanging over his head. So he's not going anywhere.
It's not like there's a question on whether Lamar Jackson
will remain in Baltimore. He is going to be there.
But now you also bring in this part of for
everything that Lamar does great And I'm trying to be
careful because I don't think Lamar is a bad passer.
I'm just saying there are other parts of his game
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that are obviously better, and this would be the part
that really I think separates the Ravens from being, you know,
an average to good team from a good to great team.
If he can make it work, but how how do
you balance doing what you want to do If you're
Todd Monkin and taking Lamar's input like it's it's almost
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a way of taking his idea and making it seem
like his own correct right.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
So often the codinator is going to come in, he's
going to have his system right. They're going to be
checks built and within that system as well, And so
first and foremost you got to learn that. And I'm
sure Lamar has a really good grasp of it, because
Monkin's saying he's going to give him the ability to,
you know, throw in some of some of his play
is throwing some different sprinkles that Lamar sees. But the
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only way that happens is if you have a grasp
of what the coach is trying to get done. So
that's a good sign from from the outside looking in
that Lamar has a really good growth of what's going
on in his offense. And once you get that foundation,
then you can go out and you know, throw some
wrinkles in there. And I think there's nothing better than
really knowing something, knowing something so well that you can
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now start to make these adjustments, start to throw in
things that you see as a player, And I think
that's the beauty of what Todd is saying here, I
don't think it's just hey, we're gonna let Lamar go
out there and play Madden. I think what I understand
from the comments that I hear Todd saying, is Lamar
has a good grasp of what's going on. So now
I can encourage him or give him the ability to
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be confident in what he sees and go out there
and make some play calls himself.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
It's it's stupid not to right like when like for
some reason, and I feel it's over the last decade,
and maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I'm just getting my
years mixed up, but I feel like it's s been
over this last ten years where NFL coaches have really
made an effort when college quarterbacks come into the NFL
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to take some of their college stuff that they did
and incorporate it into the pro game. Right And to me,
like that that should have been going on for forty
years and not just the the last ten and trying
to make a you know, a square peg fit into
a you know, a circle like it doesn't doesn't work
like that, And that's what I felt like the old
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NFL was. Now you're just doing it with a guy
who signed a multi year deal, that's your quarterback of
the future, like like like to me, it's it's kind
of like duh, like like you should have been doing
this all along. Maybe it's more of a comment on
you know, what was happening with with Greg Rohman or
previously in the regime than anything else.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Yeah, there's a bunch of head coaches and assistant coaches
at home watching this now saying I wish I would
have done that, right. You know, there's yeah, there's there's
there's being stubborn, and there's being smart. And it happens
a lot on the pro level because obviously those coaches
are there for a reason. Their systems, that way they've
done things prior to being in the proles have worked right,
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and so the same happened with players as well. There's
certain things about those players that help them excel to
get to that point. So why not marry those things together,
be open, be flexible, and put the best product forward
that you can. And I think a lot of those
guys are learning from their mistakes of prior situations and
allowing these guys to do what they do best and
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marry marry that with their system and evolve the system
as well.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I think that division, even with Cincinnati there, I think
Pittsburgh's going to be better. It's tough to navigate if
you're Baltimore. It's such a bruising division. I'm not as
high on the Browns, but still it's not like you're
just gonna play Cleveland and think that you're going to
get a win. It's going to be a tough season.
I am also not sold on Odell Beckham Junr. I'm
(23:54):
more high on Jay Flowers coming in as a first
round pick. I just I don't think for as great
as Odell Beckham Junior was. There's a couple of things though.
Let me just say this. Number one, Odell extreme talent,
There's no doubt about that. I also feel that Odell
benefited in terms of star power wise in having in
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New York a quarterback that didn't care about where he
was throwing the football. Like some of the reasons that
Odell Beckham Junior had the catches that he had is
because Eli Manning didn't give two bleeps. He was going
to throw the football there and let Odell Beckham Junior
make those plays. I think that would be great in
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Baltimore if that was the case now, But now you're
talking about Odell Beckham Junior coming off of two knee surgeries.
I don't know if Baker Mayfield I don't think. Actually
I do know Baker Mayfield wasn't willing to do that
in Cleveland with Odell Beckham Junior. Whoever's fault that was.
Odell did fit nice Lee into his role with the
Rams during that Super Bowl year, but again then he
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said the knee injury in the Super Bowl and doesn't
play another year. I just I just have questions carry
about how effective Odell Beckham Junior can be with the Ravens.
It's why I had questions when he was a free
agent last year on who he was gonna sign with.
I would just caution the Ravens. I'm putting tons of
stock in Odell Beckham Junior making a huge change considering
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his absence from the game and the now a second
knee surgery.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yep, I mean that's that's justified. I mean, we got
there is a wait and see period with the guy
that's suffered a catastrophic injury like that, and you know,
to be away from the game for so long, it's
gonna be an adjustment period. But I'm sure he's, you know,
going through that process right now. I'm sure in camp
it hasn't all been peaches and cream. But at the
end of the day, we've been add a star like
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Odell to the mix with what they already have, you know,
with Andrews and you know Zay coming in, and you know,
those guys are gonna and they're not gonna not just
run the ball either. So the balance that's gonna come
from all of that, it's gonna make life easier for
all those guys because the more talent you can stalk pile,
that's only a that's only a good thing. And I
think the other thing that we need to talk about
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with Todd Monking in this situation is, you know, outside
of giving them freedom to call plays and you know,
you know understand all those things, he's gonna have to
delegate and make some of these guys happy as well.
So the balance in which he calls things and the
plays that he's call is going to be a huge
deal too.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
The other great deal is they only have to get
to midfield to be in field goal rate. Oh yeah, yeah, really,
excuse us eighteen yards and then we'll have Tucker go
kick a seventy yard field goal. He's carry Roads. I'm
Dan Byer sitting in for Doug Gottlieb here on Fox
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video Carry Roads of you and Nick Mangold doing the
throwing contest with the Madden ratings. I tweeted them out
Twitter dot com. You can find me at Dan Byer
on Fox and you can find Carry at Carry twenty
five Roads. And you did. You blasted Nick, who had
a higher throwing rating than you did. My question is
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how far does a twenty one rating in Madden allow
you to actually throw in the video game? Did you
put yourself in at quarterback and tried to Can you
even throw five yards downfield? Is this Peyton Manning in
Super Bowl fifty?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Like?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
What are we talking about when you can only throw
with a twenty one rating in Madden?
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Yeah, it's more like a t bow And I don't
mean super disrespectful, but yeah, wow, it's more like it's
like a change up curveball, knuckleball all in one. It
wasn't pretty.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
It doesn't The funny part was I thought it was
like a ninety second video. Carrie was so offended by
his Madden rating, he not only had to do arm strength,
he then had to do arm accuracy.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yep, yep, yeah, yep yeah. And Dan, you know, it's
funny because I don't know if you know, the the
motivational speaker, Gary V, Gary Vanyrchuk. Yeah, he was the
one that kind of insisted that we do the video.
So it's funny back in those days before Gary was
Gary V.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Now he was.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Already concocting little experiments, so it just kind of played
out perfectly.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Mark Dominic, who spent twenty plus years NFL front offices,
spending time as well as the general manager of the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and joins us every week here on
Fox Sports Radio on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Now joins
us and Mark, I do have a question. Carrie was
very offended by his throwing rating in Madden despite him
being offensive back. He had years and years of quarterbacking
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history on his resume that was non included at any
point during your time as an NFL GM scout front
office whatever did you ever reference Madden ratings in trying
to determine how good a player was.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
I just wanted to make sure that they weren't on
the cover. I think I was more of the bigger good.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Serny's true good point.
Speaker 8 (29:42):
We're on the cover, Matt, not what they were doing
in the game. No, I'm afraid that was not part
of any analytics we looked at too.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
All Right, So tyreek Hill, though, said that that's what
he looks and that's it. Carry and I were talking
about a little bit earlier. Is the NFL that easy,
you know, for players to just of tyreek Hill, tyreek
Hill's great athletic stature, to to just say I log
on to Madden and use the ratings to look at
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my opponent and and do you feel that those comments
are at any point that disrespectful.
Speaker 8 (30:15):
Well, I don't think it's disrespectful. I think it's actually
kind of clever and fun way for him to kind
of look at it from that perspective how he wants to.
You know, tyreek Hill is elite and certainly can have
a good time with it, But I don't see it
as like a disrespect to the other player. And from
my perspective, if a player wants to go look at
the Manning ring and go home and take this guy
down and the real thing because he knows Carry knows
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in the game. It's it's a heck of a lot different.
It's a lot harder than the looks.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Mark.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
If you are the GM of the Miami Dolphins right now,
and you had your star receiver, a guy that's you know,
probably looked looked upon as a leader saying those comments,
and you know, knowing that that could chuckle down to
the younger guys, would you have a talk with them
or would you just let that go?
Speaker 8 (31:00):
So as a GM, I would talk to him, you know.
Ideally the coach does a lot of that. Yeah, Carry,
I don't know what it was like for you at
the Jets are at Arizona, but for me, I would
one off players on the side. But I would always
go through the coach first because it's the coach's team.
I know, i'd grab the players. I know I signed players,
but really it's the coaches team. I would hope that
the head coach would grab him and just kind of
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talk to him about like the present you're setting in
front of the players. I usually would go the other way.
I'd go to the agent, Carrie and I would I
would call the agent be like, hey, look, here's what's
being said, let's talk about it, and that way the
coach is hitting the player, I'm hitting the agent. Hopefully
the message is getting into the team.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Mark Dominic joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's
Carrie Roads. I'm Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb on
The Doug Gottlieb Show. Matty EBERFLUSA. The Bears has announced
that Justin Fields and other select starters won't play in
the second week of the preseason. What does that tell you,
Mark about Fields is handle of the position we had?
(31:57):
You know, I think Darnell Mooney made the comments of
now you know Field is able to handle the two
minute drill and calling his own plays. We've seen progress
this offseason by him not playing in Game two. Is
this just a safety deal or do you think this
is maybe more in Chicago to what Justin Fields now
has is in his.
Speaker 8 (32:12):
Arsenal Well, I think they probably feel so much better
about where he is developed into, you know, getting a
couple of years under his belt, and you know, they
know he's the starter in Chicago. They don't want to
risk anything, and you know, these preseason games are kind
of for the veterans for a little bit of tune up.
But as we see a lot of some of the
veterans don't play at all. They're so important for young
players just to get on tape and to kind of
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see them compete. And so for Chicago, maybe they're trying
to look more depth into their entire roster with knowing that, hey, look,
this guy's going to be the starting quarterback. Nothing's going
to change by him not going out to this week,
and so we're not going to play them. Every team
has got a little ounce of difference in how they
handle the preseason. You know, whether you step on this
preseason for one snap, I mean, Russell Wilson's going to
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go for what twenty something snaps, So it's very different
every club how they look at this I look at
for just to feel the same. They obviously felt like
he's done a very good job in camp and they
wanted to parlay that over to the regular season.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Mark I got a question about the interview process with
the head coach. If you're bringing the guy in, would
the training camp discussion come up of how they like
to run their program or would it just would you
just leave it up to them to figure that out?
To concoct a plan as a seasons as it gets
closer to training camp.
Speaker 8 (33:23):
Yeah, you know, I looked at it like when I
would talk to coaches that I interviewed and stuff like that,
I wanted to see their whole plan. What is your
what does your training camp look like? What time do
you want to practice? Because again I was in Tampa
as the GM and so the heat storms, you had
to think about all we didn't have an indoor bubble,
so you had to kind of walk through all those
different things, which you had rain all the time too,
you had to dodge, and so kind of come up
with a week or two of what your training camp
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would look like the same with the week. What's your
thought process on Mondays? What about victory Monday? You are
you a victory mended coach or not a victory Munday?
Or is that just kind of random? Is it Tuesdays?
Obviously players day off? But like, you know, what do
you expect on a Wednesday? You go shells or for
pads or you know, what do you want to do
on Wednesday? Thursday? And you know walk through Fridays and Saturday.
So I wanted to get a sense of like how's
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the week going to be together and what's their plan
to have in place to see what the wear and
tear would be on the players, but also the expectations
they would know that come into them right away.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Mark Dominic joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, former
GM of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in Washington. It's been
an interesting preseason with Ron Rivera. Comments he made about
Eric the Enemy, had comments he made about Jacoby Brissette
in the push that he maybe would make or could
have made to get the starting job from Sam Howell.
But today it was announced that Sam Howell will be
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the starter. You surprised at all that Rivera's going with
the youngster from North Carolina.
Speaker 8 (34:42):
Not at all. I mean, if they wouldn't be announcing
Sam How's a starting quarterback, I think there'd be people
fired already under the new ownership in that organization. You've
had an off season where you could got Jimmy Garoppolo,
you could get Derek Carr. You've got a draft where
obviously quarterbacks went, you know fairly three quarterbacks went very
high the draft, and you said, hey, look we're going
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to go with Sam Howe and then he loses out
to Jacoby Brissett if I was the new owner and
say that there's something fundamentally wrong here. So I think,
no matter what, it was always going to be Sam
Howe to be the quarterback. And obviously the Washington Commanders
that got it right are focused on what he did,
not only last year with the one game, but what
he's done in the preseason and all those practices.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah, I was just going to just follow up.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Why why would Rivera like say like, hey, Jacoby Brissette
is you know, paraphrasing, but you know, pushing and you
know it's looked pretty good in camp. Is that just
to try to sell more people on Sam Howell? Is
to try to motivate the veteran what What's what's the
reasoning we had a comment like that that Rivera made
a few weeks back.
Speaker 8 (35:45):
I think there's two things. One is I think we
touched on one of them.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Dan.
Speaker 8 (35:48):
It's one is to motivate you to say, hey, Jacoby
Presett is having a good camp, so Sam how ends
up winning, it must be Sam How's good. So you
get the fans a little bit for buying into what
Sam Howell is. And number two, I think it's actually
to motivate Sam Howe to say, hey, look, this isn't
set yet. Don't walk around here thinking that you're the starter,
even though the conventional wisdom is this is your job
to lose. It is just to kind of maybe make
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sure that Sam doesn't feel like it's just given to him.
They still got to make sure he's got to earn it.
So I think he was trying to do that psychology
part of this game.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Mark even pick aback on that question a little bit further.
I mean, the Washington Commanders are a team that you know,
I think a lot of us have, you know what
kind of lukewarm on. But they have a chance to
be competitive out there in the East. And so you
have a team like that ready to win. Now, obviously
they believe in Sam Howell, but you also have a
guy in Brissette that we kind of know what his
selling is. So is that kind of part of the
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problem with what's going on here or the solution that's
going on here.
Speaker 8 (36:40):
I think you're I think you nailed it. I think
you realized if you played Jacoby Brissett, you can be
the same Washington and football team we've seen her the
last what five six years? Right, you're good, you're competitive,
you're eight and eight, you're seven and ten, you're somewhere
in that range, you know, eight, nine, whatever it is.
And that's Ben. They just think kind of so Jacoby
Brisett would have put them in that same rut. They've
got to figure this thing out. So, you know, with
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a new owner coming in, with the opportunity to play
a young player. And I've heard from Washington that they
had Sam Howell high on their board the fifth round.
But that's it.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Mark joining. We got Mark. Sorry, Mark, you broke up
a little.
Speaker 8 (37:16):
Bit there, Sorry to Can you hear me Outkay?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
So, yep, yep, we got you.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
Now, I'm saying Sam Howell would have gone in the
third round. Like desbon Ridder, we probably all be saying
that it's time for Sam how to have this job.
He's a fifth rounder, so we look at it a
little different. But you know, I think that they've got
to find out what they have there on that football
team because the next draft is really loaded with quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Mark Dominic joining us up Fox Sports Radio. He's carry
a road. I'm Dan Byer, last one for me. There's
a new show coming out on Roku. I believe featuring
war rooms throughout the NFL Lox. The preview was magnificent.
How secretive were you? Would you did you mind? Did
you have cameras in the war room when you were
with the Buccaneers. I know they went to Dallas, I
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know they were in Charlotte. We saw some clips from
Arizona in Indianapolis as well. Would you have had a
problem with a TV crew coming in filming your your
draft process over three days like they're they're about to release.
Speaker 8 (38:12):
I don't think i'd had a problem. I don't think that.
You know, personally, you know, when you get to that
point of the draft, you know pretty much the haz
and the barn. You're gonna make this some adjustice to
your board based off of who you take and what
happens around you. But you've got to you've got to
have a trust that you know, the media is there
to do a job, about to turn around, text their
best friend what's going to happen next? And so I
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would believe in that and give them that opportunity to
kind of come in there. I was never afraid of
the camera beat in the war room. I just had
a very quiet board war room. Mine was not a
very active, louder or nuts kind of thing. It was
very quiet, methodical.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Man, did you get excited like when you see those
clips of like, uh, you know of trades of Chris
Ballard working the phone and doing something like that, Like
does that? Does that that get your blood rusting a little.
Speaker 8 (38:58):
Bit or percent? It's the best part about the entire
job is draft day, whether it's the first round, second round,
third round, you know, moving the phones. I saw a
video about money Austin Fork kind of moving around, right,
and yeah, it puts me back in that memory of
being able to make those kind of trades where you know,
I've had trades that really worked out, like trade not
to go get Levante David. But then I've had trades
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that didn't work out where I traded back or I
didn't make a trade and looking back, I said I
should have made that move. So, but that's that's probably
the most adrenalized because that's the one thing as a
GM you truly have control on, right. I mean, you're
still kind of be as a GM. You're still going
to look at the players. You're still trying to group
it together in terms of like who are the players
we want to select, like from the coach's perspective, scouts
(39:40):
GM final say, Okay, I agree that this is the guy,
But moving around the board is yourjot, that's your journey
as a GM. It's kind of like being the head
coach of the team on this game day. Right as
the GM on game day, all I can do is
just sit up there and hope that we don't have
any entries and win the game. That's all you're thinking about, Like,
you know, how soon could Sometimes you're almost like, how
soon can this game get over? Did we win or lose?
Who's hurt? Sadly, that's the way you think about the game.
Sometimes you though you're competitive, you know you have no
(40:02):
power in it, but when the draft comes around, you
have a chance to move around the draft and make moves.
It is absolutely generalizing.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Mark, I got a question for you really quickly the
going into the draft, after the first round, what was
your mindset? Would it be to take the best available
or would it be to build around your team?
Speaker 8 (40:21):
Yeah, so, you know, carry I always kind of looked
at it as the first, second, and third round. As
you probably remember those guys, you're kind of hoping all
three of those rounds have a chance to come in
there and be a starter from the fourth round. Fourth round,
you might take more of a character risk on a
guy that has starter potential. But maybe there's something that
people are a little bit worried about, or your scouts
are worried about, or something happened off the field, maybe
there's been some type of positive tests or maybe something
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even more severe, depend on what level that is. Obviously,
Then when I got the fifth to seventh round, it
was really about the special teams. Where can you know,
talking to my special tams coach, where does he can
this guy play on punt team? Where would you play him?
And where else can he play on special teams? Because
I saw some traits here that I kind of like
that may developing a starter, But if he can't play
special teams, he's never gonna get a chance to develop
in the league. As you know. So you know, guys
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like Dakota Watson who played other think ten or eleven years,
took him in the seventh round kind of Eric Horber
was a defensive lineman who we moved to full back.
He played six or seven years. So finding those guys
that could play special teams was really critical in the
fifty seventh rounds so they could develop into hopefully maybe
a player. And then the one thing I tried to
avoid is anybody that went to a college like as
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a quarterback and then got moved to safety. That was
always a red.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Flash, perfect way go to Tampa Bay.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
I get it, I get it.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
I get it. Mark. We appreciate and that twenty one
throwing rating that Carry had on Mad and that's going
to keep you away.
Speaker 8 (41:41):
I mean you feel Kerry.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Oh yeah, thanks so much. Mark Dominic, former GM of
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You know, when we have Mark on,
you can talk about all thirty two teams, but I
love to also just get the inside of what it's
like to, you know, life of a GM at times.
That By the way, that Draft show is going to
premiere next week in about forty five minutes. You're gonna
tell us who can carry a team to the super Bowl. Yeah,
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that's what's coming up in forty five minutes, specific players
who have better Matting Madden throwing ratings than Carry Rhodes.
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Quick thoughts. Because we did tease the Dalvincook going to
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New York, he said today that Aaron Rodgers is one
of the reasons, a huge reason why he ended up
choosing the New York Jets. I'll say this, I thought
there are a lot of reasons why Aaron Rodgers would
be good for the New York Jets. Didn't dawn on
me that he would have that star power appeal to
bring others in. But apparently it's already working.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Oh for sure.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
I mean, you have a guy like that, proven MVP
champion going to a team where obviously the outlook has
been pretty positive since last year, and we know what
they have around the supporting cast. But you bring a
guy like that in to your organization, Oh yeah, other
guy's going to win to play with him, especially when
the contracts that those certain players want it aren't out
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there to be achieved. Yes, because that's the other factor
as well.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, and he's not signing of Zach Wilson's the starter.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
No better way to spend a Friday. And Carrie, I've
got news for you. You ready for this one? This
is the This is the final weekend that we've got
of the summer without college football, because we actually have
college football a week from tomorrow. So, yes, summer is
about to end and football season is even closer than
you realize.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yeah, the nitty gritty is here.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
It's the time where now we can actually thrive and
be men and enjoy some hard hitting football.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I'm right with you, man, We.
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we're not gonna talk a lot of college football We're
gonna talk a lot of NFL, and that's where we
are going to start today. Carrie spent eight seasons in
the National Football League, eight strong seasons in the NFL,
(01:11):
and I'm gonna just pick your brain right off the
gate because it's gonna lead into to the topic that
I just feel is so interesting and so intriguing. Can
you give me a snapshot, Carrie, of what it's like,
not game day, but game week as a defender preparing
for your opponent, Like, do you do you start watching
(01:33):
film that Sunday night after a game of your next opponent?
How long does it take? How much film do you watch?
Can you give us a little snapshot of what your
week would be, you know, as a defender. Let's say you're,
you know, playing with the Jets as you were, and
you got Buffalo coming in. How would you prepare that week?
How would you put it all together as a defender?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Well, Sunday after that game, I'm not worried about anything.
I'm trying to recoup, right, so that Sunday I'm gonna
play football that day, go home, get a nice dinner,
watch some True Blood at the time for me, which
is one of my favorite shows and and kind of
detalks away from the game. But then starting Monday, I'm
gonna go into the facility, get a workout in, start
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watching the film immediately on Monday, and getting ready for
at that time Buffalo. In my early years, it'll be
Eric Moles and Lee Evans and Roscoe Paris and those
type of guys. So I'm trying to see who can
hurt me the most right away, So I'm.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Trying to figure that out.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
But yeah, directly diving in that Monday, straight to work,
getting ready for the week. And you know, it's a
big thing for defenders because we're at a disadvantage usually
unless we're planning in the Rex Ryan days where we're
the aggressor where we're trying to figure out no, who
can hurt us and who's gonna present the most possible
damage for So yes, straight to film study, get some
get a workout in, and get ready to.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Play Buffalo on Sunday. We're getting ready to be prepared.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
What day do you fire up Madden and look at
the ratings of players.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
At that time Madden? And I was not looking at
any any Madden.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I mean, first and foremost, Hey, I'm a big proponent
in Madden numbers being skewed and wronged.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Okay, I'm not looking at that at.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
All, perfect because it leads to what Tyreek Hill said
yesterday of the Miami Dolphins, and these comments carry blow
my mind on so many different levels. And it's maybe
it's the fact that he just admitted to it, but
then I have to realize that there is an ego
to a wide receiver. This was Tyreek Hill of the
(03:29):
Miami Dolphins talking about how he preps for his opponents
during game weeks of the NFL season.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
I feel like Madden has a good tale of how
good players are. So I just played Madden the night
before and I go look at out A ratings. So
let's say, for instance, they had Steve Nelson and Derek
Stingley over the two phenomenal players. By the way, I
just go get on Madden. I go to the EA
rosters and then I scrolled on and see what they
awareness is, They speed is and they scrimt and that's.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
How I get a good tail on her. Are you
insulted by then? As a former defensive player that Tyreek Hill.
By the way, this isn't on a Monday or Tuesday
off game week, right, he just does it the night
before that. He logs into Madden and that's how he
does his scouting.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah, yeah, he's Is he sponsored by by any chance?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
That's a good question. I don't know. There may be
the case. Yeah, that would be the only explanation.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, we need to check that first and foremost.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
But I mean, more than anything, when I hear these comments,
he's just I think he's just you know, just taking
the piss at it and really trying to downplay what
he does. There's no way he's not studying those guys,
or at least watching some tape to see what those
defenders are doing. I think it's more of him being
you know, the braggadocious receiver that he is, and I
haven't watched enough tape on Tyreek to see, you know,
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see his tendencies or see what he does really.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
But I know for a.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Fact, you know, an offense as complex as the one
that he's in and being able. Obviously, he's such a
speed guy and such a guy that you know, guys
were expect right away they're going to give him cushions,
so it may be a little easier for him, But
he's watching a little tape. That's I think that's a
little much.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I think something that you said at the in the out,
you know, or as we're coming into the show, just
before we played that that clip was very true in
terms of of even if even if the if that
was your way of scouting, right, you don't even believe
in mad numbers that they were real or not. And
that's the other crazy part about it is Tyreek Hill
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is actually this is about five things that I think
are crazy about it. One of one of the crazy
things about it is he is using the EA Sports
researchers to do the work for him on who is
good and who is bad and who does what and
how they play. And I think it sounds like it
comes off like, man, Tyreek Hill is amazing. And the
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reason that I know that it comes off that way,
it didn't come off that way to me. Carry is
is I saw multiple articles. I saw it on the Bleacher.
I actually saw it on cbssports dot com. This was
This is what was written about the comments that tyreek
Kill made in saying that he preps for opponents by
looking at the Madden ratings the night before. One site wrote,
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the technique seems to be working because he'll consistently gets
the best of the defensive backs who line up across
from him. Another one hard to argue with his method
considering his production. No, I think you can argue with
it because there's a lot there. Like I have a
problem carry that Tyreek Kill feels that he doesn't need
to scout because he's good enough already, like that there's
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no next level for him to go to, and I
would disagree. I also think that when you have a
quarterback like to a Tongue of Iloa, who is in
the spotlight as much as he is an expert, any
extra preparation that you could provide to help your quarterback
would be beneficial. I mean, he is in the he
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is in the crosshairs of us. We can week out
and it's the off season right now and we're still
talking about Tua. Like if I'm the quarterback of the Dolphins,
I'm saying to myself, wait a sec. My top top
target isn't even concerned about what you know the defender does,
or what they do on film or what their tendencies are.
I feel it's an awful look for Tyreek Hill, and
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I'm even more surprised that you know, media sides are
taking it and just being like, aw shucks, how great
is Tyreek Hill. I don't think that those comments, you know,
do anything but hurt the wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah, Dan, I one hundred percent agree with you, and
I think obviously, yes, there's a level of greatness there
with Tyreek where the numbers, Yeah, they speak for themselves, right,
But at the end of the day, if that was
the case, you're Hall of Fame players, You're the greats
that you kind of you know, kind of embody yourself
being in their presence, seeing the study and the habits
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that they have that they've built over the years. You know,
you come in as a as a first first year guy.
Maybe that is true. As a first year guy, right,
you don't understand the beauty of being prepared and being
a step ahead of your opponent. But as you get
older in the game, which Tyreek is now, he's a veteran,
he's a guy that other guys are looking up to.
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That's not the standard you want to you want to say,
that's not the standard you want to put out there
for your other guys. Because even if that was the case,
you can keep that close to the vest and use
that as something that you have or even you know,
locker talk locker room talk, right, but putting it out
to the media and letting your other younger guys see
that and hear that just isn't the signs of a
guy that's a real leader on your team. And so
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it just doesn't come off well for me either.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
There's a there's a there's another aspect of this, And
I'm curious who was kind of your mentor or you know,
like when you came into the league to show you
how to prep how to do that stuff. Was it
a player or a coach that was a former player?
Who would you lean on?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, it was multiple guys.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
When I first came in, I was there with Curtis Martin, right,
the ultimate pro. I mean, he's the guy you would
put on the board. You would see him, you'll see
his production number one, but you also see the way
he's dressed. He's dressed like the NFL logo, you know.
I mean, like the things that Curtis Martin did or
the example that he set was one that you want
to follow. But also like a player that was on
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the defensive side with me, Jonathan Vilma, he was only
a year ahead of me, but with so entrenched in
you know, being the best version of himself.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
And right he was a smaller guy.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
But the knowledge that that guy had and the way
that he studied, in the habits that he built, you know,
just being a pro every day with somebody I want
to follow and became one of my best friends. We
studied every night and we would alternate houses where we'd
be at the study and just you know, we became
a tandem, a pair that you know, we became a
force to be reckoned with. And that's the way that
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you prepare and that's the way you get better.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I feel that any wide receiver wants to look up
to Jerry Rice, right right, Like I know, like I know,
Jerry Rice isn't playing with Tyreek Hill and Jerry Rice
wasn't you know, your teammate when you played. But if
you're if you're a wide receiver, like that's the gold standard,
that's the goat. Like there's an argument that when you're
talking about the greatest just football player of all time,
Jerry Rice is put it in that conversation and Jerry
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Rice's reputation number one is the absurd numbers. I think
it's the first thing you think of, just the extreme success.
But I would put the next thing on there as
his preparation. We knew about Jerry Rice's training that he did.
We knew about him running the hills that he ran
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him coming up as a young player catching bricks, I
think is what he did as a kid in a
way to make his hands the way they are. That
preparation like that is a part of his story. You know,
rest in peace, Kobe Bryant. But how many stories now
do we hear about Kobe's prep in the NBA and
learning about opponents and learning about defenses. You know, Tyreek
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Hill is going to be thirty years old next March,
and that speed isn't always going to be there. And
I felt like Tyreek Hill actually doesn't get enough respect
on the type of receiver that he is. I'm shocked
at some of the receivers who still don't really catch
with their hands. I feel that Tyreek Hill is a
great you know, ability to he has great body control,
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can put himself in the in position and make catches
despite his short stature. But there's going to be a timer.
That speed isn't there anymore. Jerry Rice played into his forties.
Kobe played into his late thirties. Like this is this
is what like longevity is. And while everything is great
with Tyreek Hill right now, that's not always going to
be there. And that's another like it It bothers me
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to the to the essence of Tyreek Hill could have
that magnificent long career if you start doing these steps
instead of just throwing on mad in the night before
a game. Just these comments just really really just irked me. Yeah,
Dan really did it airked me too.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
But I think again, we live in this information age
where hot takes are are you know, are the thing right?
And so yeah, the best that you can make yourself
look is you know, try and less right. That's kind
of the mentality that most of these you know, hot
takes situations usually kind of the way it plays out, right.
But I just don't ultimately see him not being a
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student of the game at all because playing with coaches,
the coaches that he's played with, playing with Andy Reid,
those guys are going to give you the answers to
the test, and so being able to look at those
things and study those things and know that information is
just only going to make you better so again, I
really don't think there's too much truth to what he's
saying here, But I also wish he didn't say it
to the public. And I's and the only reason I
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say that again is because the younger guys are looking
up to him, and the younger guys are seeing him
as the leader over there over there, I'm sure, and
if that rubs off on those guys in that way
and they started doing that, that's just not going to
help the team.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a great point about the coaches.
I mean, you have two really good coaches who I mean,
you know, Andy Reid's one of the best we've ever had,
and you know, Mike McDaniel is. There's a lot of
praise for him and what he has done. It almost
makes me want to see what would happen with a
lesser coach, you know, someone who maybe doesn't have the
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insights that those two two guys did. Then to see
if Tyreek Hill would need to do more than Madden
just to make it work, you know, maybe pick up
some of that slack that's a you know, maybe it's
a it's a luxury that other wide receivers and others
in the NFL don't have is to be to be
able to have your your career start under Andy Reid
and then move over to Mike McDaniel. It is a
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it is a nice thing to have. No, it's a
very good, good point by you.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I was.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I was just as shockcarry as the way that people
just kind of laughed it off and said, oh, that's cool,
you know for a for a guy who is you know,
is a top receiver in the NFL. But what does
it really say if I'm TUA, I'm kind of like,
wait a second, what you know for sure?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
But then even more than that, like it just gives
the media.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
It gives us a chance to to marvel or to
have a headline going tomorrow, right like so for us,
for us, it's great say it, But at the end
of the day, the the EA Madden ratings just it.
They're just not accurate and they don't invest in much
as much time as people think and the full scope
of what their rating is. And I know this for
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a fact because when I was playing, I was a
quarterback my whole career, come to high school, in college
as well, and I looked at my rating just a
proof of point, I saw my throwing power, my throwing
accuracy at like twenty I'm like old, all right, if
you really did your research, you know, I played quarterback, right,
And so I've made this whole video. Me and Nick
Mangole at the time I soon to be I'm sure
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Hall of Fame Center. We were doing a video about
the Madden ratings and we we mbel us a little
bit like they do as well, but we had him throw.
His throwing power and accuracy was better than mine because
he's on offense, and it's just not true.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
So the numbers are skewed, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, no, I totally get it. And how it's a
yearly tradition for NFL players to complain about what their
Madden ratings are, right right, like like as you said,
like every year, Like what, first of all, why would
you be throwing the football? But the point is is
there's there's there's there's there's there's guys who come in
and be like, I'm only an eighty two overall, Like
please miss me with that, right, I was so and
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so eighty six and I'm only seventy nine, Like players
complain about it always. So for Tyreek to take it
as gospel is yeah, pretty crazy to me. He's carry roads.
I'm Dan Byer sitting in for Doug Gottlieb today.
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a team to a Super Bowl in about thirty minutes.
But we start in Baltimore, where I'm gonna just call them.
I know there are a lot of the same faces,
but they're kind of the new look Ravens. When you
add Odell Beckham junior. You just heard Isaac mention that
Jdevian Clowney's not a member of the Baltimore Ravens organization.
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You drafted Za Flowers, You've got now Todd Monkin as
your new offensive coordinator. So while some of the key
components are there, Mark Andrews, Lamar Jackson, obviously John Harbaugh,
kind of a fresh start in Baltimore, to try to
get things going, to get to that next step, to
get to a Super Bowl and win a super Bowl,
something they did eleven years ago.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Carrie, Yeah, I think they've addressed a lot of their needs.
They've done a really good job of identifying those things
and you know, bringing in players that can help. They
definitely have the same corps. They have the corp of guys,
you know, Lamar, Mark Andrews, Dobbins, you know, all the
guys Marlon Humphries on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
So they have their core, they have their leaders.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
They now they've added to that mix, and I'm really
excited to see what they do. I know they've I
know there's excitement around the team, but I really want
to see those guys go out there and perform well
man and stay injury free, which has been the problem
for them. But yeah, they have all the ingredients go
out and finally get over to Hump and win a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
And they've got a new offensive coordinator. Greg Roman is
no longer there, Todd Monkin is and Monkett had some
revealing comments when talking about the offense. We think it's
going to be opened up more. That's what we all expect,
more of a passing offense, and apparently some input from
Lamar Jackson himself. This was Monkett earlier this week.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
If you empower your players, you're receptive of their ideas
and they put more time and effort into it, not
just things that they see, but things that they may
see on film or what's on their mind in terms
of a better way of doing it. Because if they
don't have confidence in what we do, you're really in trouble.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
I think that's a step in the right direction.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
And when players have ideas or thoughts or suggestions, spin
my background to hey, let's take a look at it.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
So seemingly an open door policy when it comes to suggestions.
Moncktt did say, you know, I don't want thirty different
suggestions on something, and stuff is got to fit. But
how well will this policy now work with Lamar and
the Ravens in Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
I agree with monk and one hundred percent. You have
to get the guys that have proven their worth in
this league a chance to have input. I mean, Lamar
obviously was an MVP player a couple of years ago.
So the guy can get it done, and you want
to give him the ability to feel like he's a
part of the decision making that's going on on the field,
because number one, your quarterback, especially, he's a guy out
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there that has to have a firm grasp of everything
that's going on, and if he's not confident in that,
he's not going to perform well and he's not going
to be somebody that's going to stick up for you
at the end of the day either. So empowering those guys,
giving them the option to go out there and call
plays the line be you know, have improvisation right, which
he does on the field. Anyway, it only will help
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them and it only makes the bond between coach and
player stronger. And I know when I was playing, having
that input, having that opportunity to say those things, it
really went a long way with me because being a
student of the game and being able to see things
on the field. Obviously bird's eye view. Coaches have this
ability to see things from a grander scale, but when
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you're on the field, you get to have that narrow
look of things and know that you know with the
field of the game. I can make certain things happen,
and having that input is valuable.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
You know. It's funny because I almost think that there's
this fine line carry. If you're Todd Monkett, You're coming in,
it's your first year as an offensive coordinator. They brought
you in for a reason, and it's for what you
provide and it's what you want to do well. Now
you have to marry it not only with a star quarterback,
but now a star quarterback that has gotten the contract
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that was hanging over his head. So he's not going anywhere.
It's not like there's a question on whether Lamar Jackson
will remain in Baltimore. He is going to be there.
But now you also bring in this part of for
everything that Lamar does great And I'm trying to be
careful because I don't think Lamar is a bad passer.
I'm just saying there are other parts of his game
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that are obviously better, and this would be the part
that really I think separates the Ravens from being, you know,
an average to good team from a good to great team.
If he can make it work, but how how do
you balance doing what you want to do If you're
Todd Monkin and taking Lamar's input like it's it's almost
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a way of taking his idea and making it seem
like his own correct right.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
So often the codinator is going to come in, he's
going to have his system right. They're going to be
checks built and within that system as well, And so
first and foremost you got to learn that. And I'm
sure Lamar has a really good grasp of it, because
Monkin's saying he's going to give him the ability to,
you know, throw in some of some of his play
is throwing some different sprinkles that Lamar sees. But the
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only way that happens is if you have a grasp
of what the coach is trying to get done. So
that's a good sign from from the outside looking in
that Lamar has a really good growth of what's going
on in his offense. And once you get that foundation,
then you can go out and you know, throw some
wrinkles in there. And I think there's nothing better than
really knowing something, knowing something so well that you can
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now start to make these adjustments, start to throw in
things that you see as a player, And I think
that's the beauty of what Todd is saying here, I
don't think it's just hey, we're gonna let Lamar go
out there and play Madden. I think what I understand
from the comments that I hear Todd saying, is Lamar
has a good grasp of what's going on. So now
I can encourage him or give him the ability to
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be confident in what he sees and go out there
and make some play calls himself.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
It's it's stupid not to right like when like for
some reason, and I feel it's over the last decade,
and maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I'm just getting my
years mixed up, but I feel like it's s been
over this last ten years where NFL coaches have really
made an effort when college quarterbacks come into the NFL
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to take some of their college stuff that they did
and incorporate it into the pro game. Right And to me,
like that that should have been going on for forty
years and not just the the last ten and trying
to make a you know, a square peg fit into
a you know, a circle like it doesn't doesn't work
like that, And that's what I felt like the old
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NFL was. Now you're just doing it with a guy
who signed a multi year deal, that's your quarterback of
the future, like like like to me, it's it's kind
of like duh, like like you should have been doing
this all along. Maybe it's more of a comment on
you know, what was happening with with Greg Rohman or
previously in the regime than anything else.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Yeah, there's a bunch of head coaches and assistant coaches
at home watching this now saying I wish I would
have done that, right. You know, there's yeah, there's there's
there's being stubborn, and there's being smart. And it happens
a lot on the pro level because obviously those coaches
are there for a reason. Their systems, that way they've
done things prior to being in the proles have worked right,
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and so the same happened with players as well. There's
certain things about those players that help them excel to
get to that point. So why not marry those things together,
be open, be flexible, and put the best product forward
that you can. And I think a lot of those
guys are learning from their mistakes of prior situations and
allowing these guys to do what they do best and
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marry marry that with their system and evolve the system
as well.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I think that division, even with Cincinnati there, I think
Pittsburgh's going to be better. It's tough to navigate if
you're Baltimore. It's such a bruising division. I'm not as
high on the Browns, but still it's not like you're
just gonna play Cleveland and think that you're going to
get a win. It's going to be a tough season.
I am also not sold on Odell Beckham Junr. I'm
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more high on Jay Flowers coming in as a first
round pick. I just I don't think for as great
as Odell Beckham Junior was. There's a couple of things though.
Let me just say this. Number one, Odell extreme talent,
There's no doubt about that. I also feel that Odell
benefited in terms of star power wise in having in
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New York a quarterback that didn't care about where he
was throwing the football. Like some of the reasons that
Odell Beckham Junior had the catches that he had is
because Eli Manning didn't give two bleeps. He was going
to throw the football there and let Odell Beckham Junior
make those plays. I think that would be great in
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Baltimore if that was the case now, But now you're
talking about Odell Beckham Junior coming off of two knee surgeries.
I don't know if Baker Mayfield I don't think. Actually
I do know Baker Mayfield wasn't willing to do that
in Cleveland with Odell Beckham Junior. Whoever's fault that was.
Odell did fit nice Lee into his role with the
Rams during that Super Bowl year, but again then he
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said the knee injury in the Super Bowl and doesn't
play another year. I just I just have questions carry
about how effective Odell Beckham Junior can be with the Ravens.
It's why I had questions when he was a free
agent last year on who he was gonna sign with.
I would just caution the Ravens. I'm putting tons of
stock in Odell Beckham Junior making a huge change considering
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his absence from the game and the now a second
knee surgery.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yep, I mean that's that's justified. I mean, we got
there is a wait and see period with the guy
that's suffered a catastrophic injury like that, and you know,
to be away from the game for so long, it's
gonna be an adjustment period. But I'm sure he's, you know,
going through that process right now. I'm sure in camp
it hasn't all been peaches and cream. But at the
end of the day, we've been add a star like
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Odell to the mix with what they already have, you know,
with Andrews and you know Zay coming in, and you know,
those guys are gonna and they're not gonna not just
run the ball either. So the balance that's gonna come
from all of that, it's gonna make life easier for
all those guys because the more talent you can stalk pile,
that's only a that's only a good thing. And I
think the other thing that we need to talk about
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with Todd Monking in this situation is, you know, outside
of giving them freedom to call plays and you know,
you know understand all those things, he's gonna have to
delegate and make some of these guys happy as well.
So the balance in which he calls things and the
plays that he's call is going to be a huge
deal too.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
The other great deal is they only have to get
to midfield to be in field goal rate. Oh yeah, yeah, really,
excuse us eighteen yards and then we'll have Tucker go
kick a seventy yard field goal. He's carry Roads. I'm
Dan Byer sitting in for Doug Gottlieb here on Fox
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video Carry Roads of you and Nick Mangold doing the
throwing contest with the Madden ratings. I tweeted them out
Twitter dot com. You can find me at Dan Byer
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five Roads. And you did. You blasted Nick, who had
a higher throwing rating than you did. My question is
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how far does a twenty one rating in Madden allow
you to actually throw in the video game? Did you
put yourself in at quarterback and tried to Can you
even throw five yards downfield? Is this Peyton Manning in
Super Bowl fifty?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Like?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
What are we talking about when you can only throw
with a twenty one rating in Madden?
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Yeah, it's more like a t bow And I don't
mean super disrespectful, but yeah, wow, it's more like it's
like a change up curveball, knuckleball all in one. It
wasn't pretty.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
It doesn't The funny part was I thought it was
like a ninety second video. Carrie was so offended by
his Madden rating, he not only had to do arm strength,
he then had to do arm accuracy.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yep, yep, yeah, yep yeah. And Dan, you know, it's
funny because I don't know if you know, the the
motivational speaker, Gary V, Gary Vanyrchuk. Yeah, he was the
one that kind of insisted that we do the video.
So it's funny back in those days before Gary was
Gary V.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Now he was.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Already concocting little experiments, so it just kind of played
out perfectly.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Mark Dominic, who spent twenty plus years NFL front offices,
spending time as well as the general manager of the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and joins us every week here on
Fox Sports Radio on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Now joins
us and Mark, I do have a question. Carrie was
very offended by his throwing rating in Madden despite him
being offensive back. He had years and years of quarterbacking
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history on his resume that was non included at any
point during your time as an NFL GM scout front
office whatever did you ever reference Madden ratings in trying
to determine how good a player was.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
I just wanted to make sure that they weren't on
the cover. I think I was more of the bigger good.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Serny's true good point.
Speaker 8 (29:42):
We're on the cover, Matt, not what they were doing
in the game. No, I'm afraid that was not part
of any analytics we looked at too.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
All Right, So tyreek Hill, though, said that that's what
he looks and that's it. Carry and I were talking
about a little bit earlier. Is the NFL that easy,
you know, for players to just of tyreek Hill, tyreek
Hill's great athletic stature, to to just say I log
on to Madden and use the ratings to look at
(30:09):
my opponent and and do you feel that those comments
are at any point that disrespectful.
Speaker 8 (30:15):
Well, I don't think it's disrespectful. I think it's actually
kind of clever and fun way for him to kind
of look at it from that perspective how he wants to.
You know, tyreek Hill is elite and certainly can have
a good time with it, But I don't see it
as like a disrespect to the other player. And from
my perspective, if a player wants to go look at
the Manning ring and go home and take this guy
down and the real thing because he knows Carry knows
(30:37):
in the game. It's it's a heck of a lot different.
It's a lot harder than the looks.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Mark.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
If you are the GM of the Miami Dolphins right now,
and you had your star receiver, a guy that's you know,
probably looked looked upon as a leader saying those comments,
and you know, knowing that that could chuckle down to
the younger guys, would you have a talk with them
or would you just let that go?
Speaker 8 (31:00):
So as a GM, I would talk to him, you know.
Ideally the coach does a lot of that. Yeah, Carry,
I don't know what it was like for you at
the Jets are at Arizona, but for me, I would
one off players on the side. But I would always
go through the coach first because it's the coach's team.
I know, i'd grab the players. I know I signed players,
but really it's the coaches team. I would hope that
the head coach would grab him and just kind of
(31:21):
talk to him about like the present you're setting in
front of the players. I usually would go the other way.
I'd go to the agent, Carrie and I would I
would call the agent be like, hey, look, here's what's
being said, let's talk about it, and that way the
coach is hitting the player, I'm hitting the agent. Hopefully
the message is getting into the team.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Mark Dominic joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's
Carrie Roads. I'm Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb on
The Doug Gottlieb Show. Matty EBERFLUSA. The Bears has announced
that Justin Fields and other select starters won't play in
the second week of the preseason. What does that tell you,
Mark about Fields is handle of the position we had?
(31:57):
You know, I think Darnell Mooney made the comments of
now you know Field is able to handle the two
minute drill and calling his own plays. We've seen progress
this offseason by him not playing in Game two. Is
this just a safety deal or do you think this
is maybe more in Chicago to what Justin Fields now
has is in his.
Speaker 8 (32:12):
Arsenal Well, I think they probably feel so much better
about where he is developed into, you know, getting a
couple of years under his belt, and you know, they
know he's the starter in Chicago. They don't want to
risk anything, and you know, these preseason games are kind
of for the veterans for a little bit of tune up.
But as we see a lot of some of the
veterans don't play at all. They're so important for young
players just to get on tape and to kind of
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see them compete. And so for Chicago, maybe they're trying
to look more depth into their entire roster with knowing that, hey, look,
this guy's going to be the starting quarterback. Nothing's going
to change by him not going out to this week,
and so we're not going to play them. Every team
has got a little ounce of difference in how they
handle the preseason. You know, whether you step on this
preseason for one snap, I mean, Russell Wilson's going to
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go for what twenty something snaps, So it's very different
every club how they look at this I look at
for just to feel the same. They obviously felt like
he's done a very good job in camp and they
wanted to parlay that over to the regular season.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Mark I got a question about the interview process with
the head coach. If you're bringing the guy in, would
the training camp discussion come up of how they like
to run their program or would it just would you
just leave it up to them to figure that out?
To concoct a plan as a seasons as it gets
closer to training camp.
Speaker 8 (33:23):
Yeah, you know, I looked at it like when I
would talk to coaches that I interviewed and stuff like that,
I wanted to see their whole plan. What is your
what does your training camp look like? What time do
you want to practice? Because again I was in Tampa
as the GM and so the heat storms, you had
to think about all we didn't have an indoor bubble,
so you had to kind of walk through all those
different things, which you had rain all the time too,
you had to dodge, and so kind of come up
with a week or two of what your training camp
(33:45):
would look like the same with the week. What's your
thought process on Mondays? What about victory Monday? You are
you a victory mended coach or not a victory Munday?
Or is that just kind of random? Is it Tuesdays?
Obviously players day off? But like, you know, what do
you expect on a Wednesday? You go shells or for
pads or you know, what do you want to do
on Wednesday? Thursday? And you know walk through Fridays and Saturday.
So I wanted to get a sense of like how's
(34:06):
the week going to be together and what's their plan
to have in place to see what the wear and
tear would be on the players, but also the expectations
they would know that come into them right away.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Mark Dominic joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, former
GM of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in Washington. It's been
an interesting preseason with Ron Rivera. Comments he made about
Eric the Enemy, had comments he made about Jacoby Brissette
in the push that he maybe would make or could
have made to get the starting job from Sam Howell.
But today it was announced that Sam Howell will be
(34:36):
the starter. You surprised at all that Rivera's going with
the youngster from North Carolina.
Speaker 8 (34:42):
Not at all. I mean, if they wouldn't be announcing
Sam How's a starting quarterback, I think there'd be people
fired already under the new ownership in that organization. You've
had an off season where you could got Jimmy Garoppolo,
you could get Derek Carr. You've got a draft where
obviously quarterbacks went, you know fairly three quarterbacks went very
high the draft, and you said, hey, look we're going
(35:02):
to go with Sam Howe and then he loses out
to Jacoby Brissett if I was the new owner and
say that there's something fundamentally wrong here. So I think,
no matter what, it was always going to be Sam
Howe to be the quarterback. And obviously the Washington Commanders
that got it right are focused on what he did,
not only last year with the one game, but what
he's done in the preseason and all those practices.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah, I was just going to just follow up.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Why why would Rivera like say like, hey, Jacoby Brissette
is you know, paraphrasing, but you know, pushing and you
know it's looked pretty good in camp. Is that just
to try to sell more people on Sam Howell? Is
to try to motivate the veteran what What's what's the
reasoning we had a comment like that that Rivera made
a few weeks back.
Speaker 8 (35:45):
I think there's two things. One is I think we
touched on one of them.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Dan.
Speaker 8 (35:48):
It's one is to motivate you to say, hey, Jacoby
Presett is having a good camp, so Sam how ends
up winning, it must be Sam How's good. So you
get the fans a little bit for buying into what
Sam Howell is. And number two, I think it's actually
to motivate Sam Howe to say, hey, look, this isn't
set yet. Don't walk around here thinking that you're the starter,
even though the conventional wisdom is this is your job
to lose. It is just to kind of maybe make
(36:09):
sure that Sam doesn't feel like it's just given to him.
They still got to make sure he's got to earn it.
So I think he was trying to do that psychology
part of this game.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Mark even pick aback on that question a little bit further.
I mean, the Washington Commanders are a team that you know,
I think a lot of us have, you know what
kind of lukewarm on. But they have a chance to
be competitive out there in the East. And so you
have a team like that ready to win. Now, obviously
they believe in Sam Howell, but you also have a
guy in Brissette that we kind of know what his
selling is. So is that kind of part of the
(36:37):
problem with what's going on here or the solution that's
going on here.
Speaker 8 (36:40):
I think you're I think you nailed it. I think
you realized if you played Jacoby Brissett, you can be
the same Washington and football team we've seen her the
last what five six years? Right, you're good, you're competitive,
you're eight and eight, you're seven and ten, you're somewhere
in that range, you know, eight, nine, whatever it is.
And that's Ben. They just think kind of so Jacoby
Brisett would have put them in that same rut. They've
got to figure this thing out. So, you know, with
(37:01):
a new owner coming in, with the opportunity to play
a young player. And I've heard from Washington that they
had Sam Howell high on their board the fifth round.
But that's it.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Mark joining. We got Mark. Sorry, Mark, you broke up
a little.
Speaker 8 (37:16):
Bit there, Sorry to Can you hear me Outkay?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
So, yep, yep, we got you.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
Now, I'm saying Sam Howell would have gone in the
third round. Like desbon Ridder, we probably all be saying
that it's time for Sam how to have this job.
He's a fifth rounder, so we look at it a
little different. But you know, I think that they've got
to find out what they have there on that football
team because the next draft is really loaded with quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Mark Dominic joining us up Fox Sports Radio. He's carry
a road. I'm Dan Byer, last one for me. There's
a new show coming out on Roku. I believe featuring
war rooms throughout the NFL Lox. The preview was magnificent.
How secretive were you? Would you did you mind? Did
you have cameras in the war room when you were
with the Buccaneers. I know they went to Dallas, I
(37:57):
know they were in Charlotte. We saw some clips from
Arizona in Indianapolis as well. Would you have had a
problem with a TV crew coming in filming your your
draft process over three days like they're they're about to release.
Speaker 8 (38:12):
I don't think i'd had a problem. I don't think that.
You know, personally, you know, when you get to that
point of the draft, you know pretty much the haz
and the barn. You're gonna make this some adjustice to
your board based off of who you take and what
happens around you. But you've got to you've got to
have a trust that you know, the media is there
to do a job, about to turn around, text their
best friend what's going to happen next? And so I
(38:33):
would believe in that and give them that opportunity to
kind of come in there. I was never afraid of
the camera beat in the war room. I just had
a very quiet board war room. Mine was not a
very active, louder or nuts kind of thing. It was
very quiet, methodical.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Man, did you get excited like when you see those
clips of like, uh, you know of trades of Chris
Ballard working the phone and doing something like that, Like
does that? Does that that get your blood rusting a little.
Speaker 8 (38:58):
Bit or percent? It's the best part about the entire
job is draft day, whether it's the first round, second round,
third round, you know, moving the phones. I saw a
video about money Austin Fork kind of moving around, right,
and yeah, it puts me back in that memory of
being able to make those kind of trades where you know,
I've had trades that really worked out, like trade not
to go get Levante David. But then I've had trades
(39:20):
that didn't work out where I traded back or I
didn't make a trade and looking back, I said I
should have made that move. So, but that's that's probably
the most adrenalized because that's the one thing as a
GM you truly have control on, right. I mean, you're
still kind of be as a GM. You're still going
to look at the players. You're still trying to group
it together in terms of like who are the players
we want to select, like from the coach's perspective, scouts
(39:40):
GM final say, Okay, I agree that this is the guy,
But moving around the board is yourjot, that's your journey
as a GM. It's kind of like being the head
coach of the team on this game day. Right as
the GM on game day, all I can do is
just sit up there and hope that we don't have
any entries and win the game. That's all you're thinking about, Like,
you know, how soon could Sometimes you're almost like, how
soon can this game get over? Did we win or lose?
Who's hurt? Sadly, that's the way you think about the game.
Sometimes you though you're competitive, you know you have no
(40:02):
power in it, but when the draft comes around, you
have a chance to move around the draft and make moves.
It is absolutely generalizing.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Mark, I got a question for you really quickly the
going into the draft, after the first round, what was
your mindset? Would it be to take the best available
or would it be to build around your team?
Speaker 8 (40:21):
Yeah, so, you know, carry I always kind of looked
at it as the first, second, and third round. As
you probably remember those guys, you're kind of hoping all
three of those rounds have a chance to come in
there and be a starter from the fourth round. Fourth round,
you might take more of a character risk on a
guy that has starter potential. But maybe there's something that
people are a little bit worried about, or your scouts
are worried about, or something happened off the field, maybe
there's been some type of positive tests or maybe something
(40:44):
even more severe, depend on what level that is. Obviously,
Then when I got the fifth to seventh round, it
was really about the special teams. Where can you know,
talking to my special tams coach, where does he can
this guy play on punt team? Where would you play him?
And where else can he play on special teams? Because
I saw some traits here that I kind of like
that may developing a starter, But if he can't play
special teams, he's never gonna get a chance to develop
in the league. As you know. So you know, guys
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like Dakota Watson who played other think ten or eleven years,
took him in the seventh round kind of Eric Horber
was a defensive lineman who we moved to full back.
He played six or seven years. So finding those guys
that could play special teams was really critical in the
fifty seventh rounds so they could develop into hopefully maybe
a player. And then the one thing I tried to
avoid is anybody that went to a college like as
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a quarterback and then got moved to safety. That was
always a red.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Flash, perfect way go to Tampa Bay.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
I get it, I get it.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
I get it. Mark. We appreciate and that twenty one
throwing rating that Carry had on Mad and that's going
to keep you away.
Speaker 8 (41:41):
I mean you feel Kerry.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Oh yeah, thanks so much. Mark Dominic, former GM of
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You know, when we have Mark on,
you can talk about all thirty two teams, but I
love to also just get the inside of what it's
like to, you know, life of a GM at times.
That By the way, that Draft show is going to
premiere next week in about forty five minutes. You're gonna
tell us who can carry a team to the super Bowl. Yeah,
(42:06):
that's what's coming up in forty five minutes, specific players
who have better Matting Madden throwing ratings than Carry Rhodes.
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Quick thoughts. Because we did tease the Dalvincook going to
(42:28):
New York, he said today that Aaron Rodgers is one
of the reasons, a huge reason why he ended up
choosing the New York Jets. I'll say this, I thought
there are a lot of reasons why Aaron Rodgers would
be good for the New York Jets. Didn't dawn on
me that he would have that star power appeal to
bring others in. But apparently it's already working.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Oh for sure.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
I mean, you have a guy like that, proven MVP
champion going to a team where obviously the outlook has
been pretty positive since last year, and we know what
they have around the supporting cast. But you bring a
guy like that in to your organization, Oh yeah, other
guy's going to win to play with him, especially when
the contracts that those certain players want it aren't out
(43:13):
there to be achieved. Yes, because that's the other factor
as well.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, and he's not signing of Zach Wilson's the starter.
Let's be absolutely He's Carrie Rhodes. I'm Dan Byer
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