May 29, 2024 • 44 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about Minnesota winning game four against Dallas Tuesday night, and how they were able to push the series to a 5th game.
Doug and the crew discuss Caitlin Clark's first two weeks in the WNBA in this week's version of "The Midway".
Doug welcomes former player and FSR NBA analyst Olden Polynice onto the show to breakdown the Mavs-TWolves series, the Celtics, Lebron and all of the other major headlines.
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Uh hoop last night waiting waiting waiting on uh this
hoop to continue because the Boston Celtics are waiting in
the NBA Finals. So this night the Minnesota Timberwolves decided
no sweep, maybe a gentleman's sweep, but they outplay the
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Dallas Mavericks. And it should be pointed out and I
think this is more than just a little thing with
what took place last night that the Mavericks. You know,
if you don't have one of the best young rim
protectors in the NBA, things just feel different, right, They
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just feel different. And last night the Mavericks, and it's
it's a different lineup, different lineup when you don't have
Derek Lively. In Lively has been so incredibly effective, especially
in the playoffs. You know, and I know he doesn't
average as many blocks as Daniel Gafford does, but he
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affects shots as well as the fact that offensively he's
a better roller to the hoop, I mean, basically split
most of the game. But let's not make We're not
making excuses. They wouldn't want us to make excuses, and
I would guess he'll be back for four, Game five, right,
Game five in Minnesota, And in reality, even though Luca
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and Dallas have won twice in Minnesota, there does become
the chance of Game six in Dallas being a pressure
field game. Anthony Edwards finally gave us a glimpse of
what we thought we were watching with Anthony Edwards dominant
previously call Anthony Towns played really really well. He had
twenty five made four threes. Jay McDaniels was also outstanding,
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and they got a little bit more production off the bench. Meanwhile,
Dallas look Lucas struggles shooting the basketball, so much so
that Luca actually accepted blame for the loss. Take a listen,
all right, we'll get that for you one second. The
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point is, oh, you do have it all right, here's Luke.
Here's Luke after the game.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
That game is on me.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Just didn't give enough energy, So we gotta do better.
They won one game, We just gotta focus on the
next one. We won three games. It's first. Like I said,
it's first of four, and no matter if you win
in in four or in seven, I just got to
win four.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
All this is in fact true.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
All you gotta you gotta, all you gotta do is
win basketball games and the rest takes care of itself.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I do think we sit here and go. Has there
been a game and it felt like.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Game three, Luca hitting that gigantic shot, and he's hit
other shots, You're like, oh, this is a Luki game.
Now he has the ability to win one by himself,
or it feels like by himself. And if we use
even the Oklahoma City Series as a guide, I believe
it was game four of that one where he missed
one of two free throws when they were down two.
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Took the blame for himself, just like shooting the ball
poorly seven to twenty one. He took the blame on
himself as well. But I mean, look, it gives us
at least one more game, so we don't have as
much time off away from the NBA. It creates at
least a little bit of doubt in your head if
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you like the Mavericks, and you don't have to think,
oh okay, it's just a walk in the park. And
it's huge for the reputation of Karl Anthony Towns, which
had taken a beating because of his play and some
of his reactions. I thought Jason Kidd had really something
really smart to say. Here's Jake Kidd on how hard
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is to close out playoff series?
Speaker 6 (04:44):
Understand what, you know, if we won this game, we
do close it out, but it's hard to close in
this league, and so understanding that we didn't play our best,
give Minnesota credit they did, and so we're headed to
Minnesota tomorrow and the you know, to play game five.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It is hard. It's hard.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
We see this in baseball, you know, hard to get
those final three outs. Last night I went to Brewer's Cubs, and,
by the way, that was pretty cool that you were
watching the game there, Jay stew As we were texting,
the Cubs had a rookie pitcher throw seven innings of
no hit ball. He threw ninety three pitches, and they
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pulled him to start the eighth inning he was throwing.
And I know no hitters don't mean anything, but I
haven't thrown a no hitter in Major League Baseball, of you,
so in ever to protect him, they pulled him. Anyway,
the point is that the Cubs blew the save in
the ninth inning because no matter how even if you
try and convince yourself twenty seven outs, all those outs
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are the same. For whatever reason, those last three outs
are a lot harder to get. They just are so
one nothing game. The Astros hadn't had to hit the
entire game, and they break through in the bottom of
the ninth inning and score a run, did get thrown
out at second base, then lose the next ra innings
and if you watch baseball, you know that, Yeah, it's
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twenty four difficult outs than those last three. Completely different
level of difficulty. The same thing in the NBA playoffs,
where you say, hey, to get to those three wins,
really hard to get that fourth win. Now, some teams
lay down, but the Timberwolves are too young, too energetic,
too full of hope to actually lay down, actually down.
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Quick side note in terms of my experiencing all of
Wisconsin guys, Buyer, when was the last time you were
out a Brewer game.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
It's been a few years.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Did they have the real butter on the popcorn?
Speaker 7 (06:49):
I don't remember. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Oh my gosh, like it was a life changing experience
eating that popcorn. Listen, we can't in and I got
tickets from Brian Anderson, of course calls the games on
the TV side for the Brewers.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
And so we came in and we.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Parked in like the the player parking lot, and we
walked in and we're in that outfield area where you know,
there's the fence and you can see through actually to
the ballpark. Right there's a bar down there as well,
and they were walking up and then we're walking through
the concourse and if you haven't been to what's it
called American Family Field right now?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
American Family Field. Yeah, used to be Millle Park.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
So you walk through most of the park, you can
see you know, from the concourse, you can see the field.
So I'm walking, walk, walk in all of sudden popcorn right,
and the popcorn is like bright white, like fresh Colonel popcorn.
It says if they went to Iowa, grabbed the kernel
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of corn and threw it in, it was like perfect.
But if you know anything like movie theater and usually
popcorn and a ballpark, usually it's like a bright yellow
because they put the fake butter in there and it's
already buttered and salted. And I was like, man, I
really want my own. Do you guys not have butter
and salt? They're like, yeah, we have butter and salt,
like we'll put you ont butter on it. Yes, And
they had real butter, like they had sticks of butter.
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They were churning and then the liquid and I was incredible,
Oh my gosh, I mean, I mean, and we were
there was like five of us were sitting.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Can you believe how good this is? This is incredible?
Speaker 7 (08:26):
Get your popcorn ready.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Man, I had my popcorn ready, but then to take
a picture out, I just I don't, I mean, I
guess we're protecting arms now, but really a rookie, we'd
never thrown that many pitches before. Yeah, you never had
a no hitter before. That was crazy. And I guess
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Craig Council is kind of famous for doing this stuff.
But I'm sure that that edict did not come from
Craig Council himself.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
But man, what a what a performance last night? That
was incredible.
Speaker 8 (09:03):
I I saw Cody Bellinger bring one back, right.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I did h in centerfield?
Speaker 8 (09:08):
Yeah, yeah, that was.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
That was part of the no hitter.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Ben Brown, who's six ' six originally from New York. Uh,
he was amazing last night. Ten strikeouts, seven innings, ninety
three pitches, did walk to and he comes he doesn't
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was not great last night and again for historical context.
I know we think Michael Jordan was awesome every game,
but he would have games like that in the playoffs.
You're like, man, I meant Kobe Bryant's last championship, he
was six of I want to say, twenty five twenty
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four from the floor. So Luca didn't shoot well. He
was moving pretty well. I thought Minnesota changed some things up.
And then the big thing is Karlnthone Towns is making shots.
It's a different team when the big guy steps out
and makes four or five threes after looking completely.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Shook prior to that.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
And as much as we want to say the series
is over, it's not crazy. If you win one more
game now the pressure gets on Dallas. But if we
use even last series as our guide, Luca kind of
butchered the end of Game four, missing a free throw,
and then game five they turned around and came back
and won. And oh yeah, by the way, if we
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want to say that the pressure the more Minnesota wins
get cranked up on Dallas, we can point out that
Luca seems to love playing under the most pressure.
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All right. So, no NBA game tonight.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Because the Wolves fought off elimination, so they did force
a game five and they get to go back home.
So the chances are we could extend it to six.
We could see that very much, see that happening. There
are some other interesting things going on in the world
of sports. But we think that the middle of the week,
the middle of the show, the middle of the day.
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Calls from the mid Way, it's not getting.
Speaker 9 (12:04):
It's time for.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
The Midway.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Okay there, gentlemen, what do we decide on we're gonna
do for the Midway? We're gonna do Kaitlyn Clark? Are
we gonna do the uh the Negro league stats being
morphed into all baseball stats.
Speaker 8 (12:24):
Yeah, no decision as of yet you could be the
arbiter there.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Arbiteur a tour.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I'm okay doing both. I think we've got time doing both.
We've been good on time today. Uh, let's start. Let's
start with the Caitlin Clark thing. Let's see if we
can flush out in the Kaitlyn Clark thing if we
have a chance. If not, we can always circle back
on the pod and get into the baseball stats.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
That okay with you, Jase do No, that sounds like
a plan.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
So I think here's the big midway question, right, which is,
at what point in time was it, Jase dou that
we move on from Kaitlin Clark.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
What's the what's the Kaitlin Clark angle that you wanted
to hit on?
Speaker 8 (13:02):
No, I mean we're two weeks into her professional career.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (13:06):
Now, I am the person that says that time flies,
but it seems like a lot long, a lot more
long ago. What's the word. It seems like her pro
her pro career started more than two weeks ago. That's
what I'm going for. So, but I just wanted to
get check your guys's temperature here, because you know, I
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was live texting the game last night. And uh again,
I'm not saying she's not good, and I'm not saying
she's not getting along pretty well as a pro. But
like I thought, and I'm talking about my perspective here,
she needs to transcend the game to take it to
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the next level. Her just being a decent rookie or
being a decent player, I don't think does that. Like
they have written checks that they need to cash down
the road with her popularity. So like, I'm just not
seeing that when I watch her, and it's not an
easy watch. I've never watched the WNBA, never watched NHL
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hockey for a lot of the same reasons. It's just
not interesting to me, and I'm losing interest in it.
And I think, I said last night, I think I'm
gonna give it maybe two more weeks and hope that
she transcends Jason.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Let me ask Jason something.
Speaker 10 (14:25):
So, what if we're gonna, like manifest transcending the game
at this point in her career, what would that entail?
Obviously winning more games.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Like no, no, no, no, hol on, Sam, you did a really
good job. But if you're gonna ask the question, yeah,
let him answer the sure.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Sure. I was just adding a little further context to.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
No, you need to need to You asked a really
good question, what does that entail?
Speaker 8 (14:46):
Jase two and entails like, no matter what you're doing,
you need to tune in. Tiger Woods, Uh, Tim Tebow
in college, No matter what you're doing, you need to
tune in to watch, And the press.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
Transcends Tiger didn't he have to start somewhere or on
the building towards greatness. Tebow had to start somewhere building
his legacy at Florida. So she's she's twenty percent into
her rookie season or eight games in, so where I mean,
it's just like what are the are there are different?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
A little different take a little different perspective, But I
want to get to that second.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
First buyer, where are you on your interest level? In
Kitler Clark?
Speaker 11 (15:30):
So I didn't watch last night. I have watched when
the viewing has been easy or easier, ABC, ESPN, whatever
the case is. I have tuned in on those occasions.
If there's not as much of a conflict, I have
tuned in and I've kept it on there. What I
thought was so telling and specifically about last night, because
it's a clip that went viral and it's a bigger
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conversation I think about the w n B A is
that you had you had a woman at the free
throw a line last night that was so focused on
stopping Kitlyn Clark, she didn't realize that she had another
free throw after the one that she shot. Do you
see this clip, thug Yep, she shoots the free throw
and then she immediately goes and tries to man up
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on defense when she has the second one.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
And like, if you think.
Speaker 11 (16:21):
About that, first of all, this woman was so preoccupied
with Caitlin Clark that she didn't even think about her
scoring or where the game situation was. But also of
all the other players on the Indiana fever.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
It was so.
Speaker 11 (16:35):
Important for the La Sparks to make sure that you
cut off the head of the snake of Caitlyn Clark,
that you would go to that length to do so.
Like it was such a focus, which then tells me
the rest of her team stinks, and the rest of
her team, you know, also includes like another number one
overall pick and so like to be so to Jason's
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point that he's talked about or that you have talked
about Doug in this conversation about making things easier for
for Caitlin Clark. I don't know if you have to
do that, but man, there isn't as much talent unless
it's all on the aces in.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
New York Liberty.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
That's actually true, you know.
Speaker 11 (17:16):
Then I thought that there was in the league if
if she is that important to that other team of
them trying to stop.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Okay, couple things to dig into here, Okay. The first
is we are kind of burying the lead of what
we most of us feel, and Sam, I could be wrong.
You may not feel this way, which is it's hard
to watch women's basketball.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
Oh hold on, hold on, I have things add to
that for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Okay, it's hard to watch and hard.
Speaker 10 (17:50):
To watch Jillie seventy eight for seventy four game with
forty minutes of play with me, Well, like they're playing
eight fewer and it's than the WNBA. But this is
professional women's basketball, and sometimes they're scoring in the sixties
and seventies and seventies and eighties.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Just that they're just they're not They're like you're watching
you watch Derek Lively play blocking shots above the rim,
Derek Jones finishing shots, and as much as Luca is
in a blur Athletically, the shot making, the skill, the
town is so much better.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
There's no dunking.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
It's just hard to watch.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
It's a different It just is there's just no other
And and what's interesting is, like, here's where I would
push back on you, Jay stew in terms of transcending sports.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
No, she's not Tiger. There's only one Tiger. But it's
also golf.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Has there ever been a professional women's sports that you
have watched, like women's soccer has had I think they
still have a league, They've had leagues. There's been like
maybe women's tennis, but even that, when was the last
time you sat down maybe Serena on the on the
going away.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Tour sort of thing. So she kind of has transcended.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But the first thing is, I think what wears you
down is the fact that the overall of the sport
you actually nailed at dan Bayer without even no maybe
planning on doing so. The league was a mess last
year because two teams have all the players right, all
the players.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's not really close.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And then you factor in it's not a great watch,
not competitive games. There's a lot of complaining about stuff
when like, I'm not really sure why anybody's complaining her
team's not very good and it's gonna get thankfully, there's
not a ton of stuff going on right now. But
when the Olympics start, I think that wears down and
once we get to win anything football, Like, you're not
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gonna watch WNBA basketball. I don't care how much you
say you are. You know you're not gonna watch it
when the NBA Finals are on. You're not gonna watch
it when the NFL is on, and you know most
guys aren't gonna watch it when when there's there's a
high level golf on. So it's on. It's better than
it's ever been. It's a better watch than it's ever been.
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But that doesn't make it a great watch. And just
because she's transcending how we watch sports does not mean
that she's transcending at the level of Tiger or the
level of Lebron, the level of you know of you
name it.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Anyway, can I jump in there?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Of course, So.
Speaker 10 (20:20):
You know, she's obviously not Tiger Woods. That's an individual sport, but.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
She has it.
Speaker 10 (20:26):
She this is not you know, it can't be She's
not just succeed in the w A if it's w
NBA if it's one on five, Like she she's been
playing basketball since NonStop, pretty much since the fall. You know,
she still needs time to gel with this team. She
needs to find chemistry. You know, it's just been bang
bang bang regular season college basketball right into the pros.
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And I just feel like that this team they're just
they're still just very clunky.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
You watch them play, they're clunky.
Speaker 10 (20:53):
She'll be she'll be throwing a dime down the court
and it'll get into the it'll get into the player
under the hoops hand, and then she'll she won't make
the layoup and like that's something that should just be
sort of you know, almost high percentage shot.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Right.
Speaker 10 (21:07):
So there's there's just a lot of clunkiness still. And
again she has played already. The Connecticut Son, the New
York Liberty, and Las Vegas Aces, who have a ton
of the talent at WNBA, and the Atlanta Dream have
only played four games and the Fever have played eight.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
So I think she's just exhausted.
Speaker 10 (21:26):
She's on a bad team or a team at least
is trying jail still, and they played a ton of games,
and uh yeah, I mean, like they're just they're finding
chemistry and again we're twenty percent in and people want
to flush her. That's fine, but I think those people
like being out a game Friday night. Her fans are
for real. It's like, it's it's crazy.
Speaker 11 (21:47):
I'm with Sam on that thing, Like I think that
there's a much longer shelf life than then Jason is.
I think, you know, Jason, maybe the I don't want
to say the one off, but that's his individual situation.
But I think the there there is just like we're
not going to be sick of Victor Imbanyama, you know
after one season and then we saw what he did
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in that season. It's going to be amazing. But I
think it would be this ingenuous of us to judge
him out of his first ten games and then be like,
all right, I'm I'm over rookie quarterback four games into
his season.
Speaker 10 (22:21):
Like, let's say we're still playing sixteen games, quarter of
the way through the season and one in three.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Are we ready to flush that guy?
Speaker 9 (22:29):
C J.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
Stroud is probably the perfect example.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
These examples are to me don't count because the WNBA
meant nothing to me. I ignored it for almost its
entire existence. Same with the NHL. And I'll give you.
I'll give you the analogy in the NHL. If some
guy in Canadian minors, Canadian juniors was averaging ten goals
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a game, just blowing away Canadian juniors and revolutionizing Canadian hockey,
I would tune into that players first NHL game, even
though I can't stand watching hockey, because I if you,
if you're a transformative athlete in sports, that gets my attention.
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And then this NHL player that averaged ten goals a
game in the juniors just becomes a regular NHL player,
I'm going to go back to ignoring the NHL. That's
that's my point. You guys are bringing NBA in the
NFL in here that those aren't examples that I'm comparing
it to. I'm comparing it to sports that I have
always ignored. And am I going to start paying attention
(23:34):
to you?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I'm with j Stu on that one. I want J Stu.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I also would tell you that that there's there's a
part of this story which we're not really giving credit
to in terms of of Caitlin Clark and I actually
think the WNBA players themselves won't say it, but they
know it as well. Have you noticed that now they're
taking and I'm I'm sure it's existed previously, maybe we didn't,
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we didn't pay attention. But now when they show up
their arrival videos are now going viral and many of
the women are dressed and men like, listen, there some
very beautiful women playing basketball. But it's like so much
previously there was I look, the WNBA has a high
percentage of lesbian incident and kind of sold to that audience, right,
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And it was it Honestly, you'd go to WNBA games
and I'd gone to a couple because I have a
couple of friends of coached in the w and you
would feel like as a straight male, like even if
you brought your daughter, it was a little different atmosphere.
Now this is kind of for everybody and especially for
you know, it's it's like a for little girls that
play basketball and high school girls to play basketball like
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she's there, champion, And it's a very real thing that
lots of guys I played with or played again, they
sent their daughters to play volleyball and other sports. And
one reason was was kind of the cloud over It
was could you be straight and playing the WNBA? And
now you can and I don't think that's going away,
because I do think that that support from mainstream moms
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and daughters and dads that coach their daughters like they're
absolutely behind this, and I think that basketball people are
little bit more into it than they have been previously.
But I think the mainstream fans or the people are
hopping on to the big story like insanity. They'll go away,
They'll go away.
Speaker 11 (25:36):
I feel in a way Jason's trying to get himself
to stop watching is that it. Are you trying to
self sabotage it all, Jason Areas?
Speaker 8 (25:45):
I'm rooting for it. I remember I said on when
you were in on Monday. I made the point on
the air that there was a second or ten second
period of time on Friday Night's game that Sam went
to when I saw the Kitlin car that I want
to tune in and watch. She was leading her team
from behind on a fast break. She pulls up for
(26:06):
a logo, three nails, it fist in the air, moxie
in your face. That's what I want to see all
the time, and it's just not happening. I had to
slog through that game last night. It is really hard
to walk.
Speaker 10 (26:20):
It's not happening, but you're getting you're getting little doses
of it, and.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
I mean, and I'm saying that's not enough.
Speaker 10 (26:26):
I know, I know, I just think that's unrealistic. I mean,
she's she's pulling out little magic tricks here and there,
but it sounds like you want her to, you know,
pull a rabbit out of it, had out on the street. Yeah,
but I mean again, we're twenty percent into her rookie year.
That's that's a small little sample.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
But no, Dan, I'm rooting for her. I want to
see her succeed.
Speaker 11 (26:46):
Then, but if she then goes and hits ten threes
in a game next month, then you haven't watched for
two or three weeks, so you got to be back
in I think.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
So.
Speaker 10 (26:56):
Yeah, so you're saying there's an ability, that there's an
ability we can bring you back.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
Of course, yeah, I'm just saying I'll stop watching the
two weeks.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
But that also, I think then tells to her staying factor.
Speaker 11 (27:07):
If she does get adjusted to the game, and it
is the thirty five footers, it is the thirty seven footers.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
It's the same thing with Steph Curry. Yes, honestly, that's
it is.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
And I actually think that Sam's point that he's made
fifteen times, which is it's the first first two weeks,
is like, look, any other rookie we give grace to,
We just do Webin Yama is a perfect example of it.
Maybe it's that there hasn't been a big gap between
college and pro and because we saw college and she's
(27:39):
been less efficient, And it's the turnovers.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
But part of it is did anybody pay attention to
the turnovers during the college season? No, of course not.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
We we just saw the highlights of hitting thirty footers.
Speaker 11 (27:52):
There's also something interesting that's going on with this, and
it's an ESPN only deal. They are trying so hard
to push Angel Reese yes as well. Like I saw
a tweet this weekend of Angel Reese was the only
w NBA rookie to score in double figures in every
(28:13):
game this season. They were three games in and the
high that she had was thirteen. That was a tweet
set out by an ESPN personality, Caitlin Clark had what
thirty last night?
Speaker 7 (28:25):
Was that it yep thirty?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
So what do you think's behind that?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Because I think Jason and I both suspect we know
and I wonder if you think you now.
Speaker 11 (28:34):
I think they're I think they're trying to feed two
fan bases.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I think I think they're trying to not be called racists.
Speaker 10 (28:41):
I think they're also trying to keep a rival alive
and well and keep her relevant.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Maybe that's actually not bad, that's not bad because the
big I think the big thing is they don't want
to be called racist because what's been labeled is, well,
if you only follow Kaitlyn Clark and not and not
Angel Race within your racist Sure, No, she's better and
she's a better watch, and more people like how she
plays better.
Speaker 11 (29:05):
There was also something that was that was said where
Caitlyn had thirty points last night and ESPN said, like
was something that Angel Reese did may have been more impressive.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
Did you see this? Yeah, yeah, so so.
Speaker 11 (29:18):
But again, like you need, you need Caitlyn Clark to
be a part of the story to make Angel Reese
and that may not be fair. Angel Reese took it,
took a subtle shot at Caitlin Clark when she wasn't subtle,
when it was it was very passive aggressive. Uh, she
just it was uh what do they call it? On
on on Twitter? On ex subtweeting. It was a verbal
(29:41):
subtweet of Caitlyn Clark when she was talked about her
herd follow and this past weekend and saying like, it's
not because I'm a rookie, you know, and blah blah blah.
So it's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
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Speaker 3 (30:09):
Stuck out the show Fox Sports Radio. So obviously last
night not the best night for the Mavericks to be
waxing poetic about Kyrie Irving, but there is it does
feel different. Does feel different, uh, in terms of, you know,
(30:29):
he's not as standoffish in the media.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
He's not as.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
What's the word I'm looking for, doesn't he doesn't feel
as cold abrasive. Yeah, and he seems to be a
really good teammate, at least to Luca and to the
rest of those guys and kind of figuring out, figuring out.
Here's Charles Barkley talking about Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
He self inflicted itself. He got to take some responsibility.
I think he's grown up. I think he's mature. Steven
A and other people criticized him, and he were rightly
and deserved it. You can't go out there being antisemitic,
and you know, you can do the vaccame thing. That's
your own thing. But he deserved a criticism he got.
He deserved the suspension he got. But as a basketball player,
I think he's really grown up. I thought after Game
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one that was a grown man in full of flight.
I've never seen him that happy. We all made mistakes.
I've done plenty of too particul At some points, you
have to grow up, and I think he's grown up.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I'd like to think he has. And it's funny, you know,
people will say, hey, he hasn't really grown up. He's
just keeping his opinions to himself. Okay, that's still growing up, right,
it's still growing up. It's the and we have this
on social media. Like I can tell you from personal experience,
(31:51):
right that social media, as great as it is to
make funny quips and remarks like you don't have to
comment on every story, you don't have to win argument.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
That's maturity.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
You can still feel the same way you feel. And
I would be vehemently opposed to many of the things
he said, but you don't have to make them public.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
That too, is maturity.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
I think a lot of us think maturity is, oh, hey,
you know what what I said was wrong? I'm sorry,
my bad. I think differently. The reality is a lot
of times you're not gonna see it differently. You see
it your own way. But keeping it to yourself and
maintaining your poise, that is a love that does take
a love of maturity. Olden Polonies is our next guest,
(32:36):
of course, he's our Fox Sports Radio NBA analysts. He
played fifteen years in the NBA And well, thanks so
much for taking times. What are your thoughts on what
changed between the Mavericks and the Wolves last night let
the Wolves get their first win?
Speaker 9 (32:52):
Well, it was a couple of things. I mean, coll
Anthony Towns finally played like the afsar that he is
and that made a huge difference. He not don shut.
I've been saying this, you know, and others have said
it for the last seventy seven years. This game is
about makes and misses. That's in a nutshell. The same
shots he had game three he missed, he made in
(33:14):
Game four. You know Anthony had News start off great,
played well, but I do believe that Dallas truly truly
missed Derek Lively, that young man, his energy and the
way he plays. It's a big, big difference, and they
surely missed that. Kleiber came back, but he's not Derek Lively.
(33:36):
He was even afraid to shoot three pointers, you know,
and so to me, he wasn't moving well, he just
wasn't comfortable. I think that was a big blow to
the Mavericks. So I'm sure they're going to bring him
back since it's only a next frame, you know. But
I like how they did that, Doug. They didn't classify
it as a concussion, said it was a next frame.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Yeah, they said it was a next brain sure stuck
leap show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the voice
of Olden Polonies. I'm with you. I mean, you get
that level of rim protection and length, and it allows
you know, all those guys to get beaten defensively and
still defend that rim and it just changes changes the game. Okay, So,
(34:16):
assuming he's back, any cause for concerning for Dallas and
your ability to close out the series.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
I don't believe. So, I mean three always it's hard
to overcome, and I mean it would be a first,
but I doubt we're gonna have any first in this series.
I think Dallas, if they don't close them out in Minnesota,
they're going to close them out at home because they
can ill afford to go back for Game seven, even
(34:43):
though we've had four of them, you know, gone to
Game seven as recently as last year. But I don't
think Dallas wants any part of a Game seven in Minnesota.
You know, that's gonna be too much pressure on those guys.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Stug gott Leap Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What
about the Celtics, how do they match up with the Mavericks.
Speaker 9 (35:03):
I like the matchup for the Mavericks, you know, because
they have guys that can defend. And so to me,
that's what it's gonna come down to. I mean, the
stars are gonna do their things, you know, Kyrie and
Luca and Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum and you know,
and the X factor is gonna be if Pazingers is
able to play, you know, because he's there and protect them.
(35:26):
But at the same time, I just believe that the
energy that the big men have, they're gonna overcome Al
Harford's you know, I mean he's on his last leg.
You know, he's playing well for him, knocking down threees,
but he's still on his last leg. And I think
a young Derek Lively and a young Daniel Gaffer it's
gonna be too much for him to overcome. So I'm
gonna give if it does end up being Dallas, which
(35:48):
I believe it will, I'm giving the advantage to Dallas
because they just have too much size for Boston.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
They do Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah, I just I think the riom protection and then honestly,
like I trust Luca and maybe even Kyrie more than
the other two.
Speaker 9 (36:08):
Oh definitely. I mean Kyrie's a professional closer, and Luca
has never met a shot he didn't like, oh want
to take. You know, his confidence level is on a
two hundred and fifty out of twenty, and so you know,
it's just he's insane with that, sometimes to his own detriment.
But I just believe that they are the smarter of
(36:30):
the two teams, you know, And it's not a I
don't want it to be derogatory, but between the two,
I think they'll do more beneficial things for the team
as opposed to Boston. You know, Boston has been living
and dying by that three pointer, and some days they
don't show up. I mean, the three pointers don't go down.
But that's their game, that's their whole game plan. And
(36:52):
you gotta remember also they've got a nice, little comfortable
run in the Eastern Conference right now with all the
injuries his stars and other teams, they're kind of like,
you know, of course, you got to play the teams
that are put in front of you, but you know,
it would have been different if it was New York
or Milwauke with a healthy honest, you know, things would
(37:13):
have changed. So we just don't know. But they here
now in the finals. So but I'm again I'm giving
the advantage to the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Here one there, I got show here in Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (37:27):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Lebron's agent, Rich Paul wants us to believe he's a
free agent.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
There have been some talk of Phoenix being in the mix.
Do you buy that Lebron would leave the Lakers?
Speaker 9 (37:41):
Oooh, I'm only buying it because if Rich Paul says
he's a free agent, then he's a free agent. Whether
he leaves or that. You know, it's gonna be based
on again, like he said, his son. I think he
was definitely one hundred on that one. It's like it's
gonna be contingent on where my and I'm not mad
(38:02):
at him for you know, you know, using the full
power that he has of nepotism and everything else. It
is what it is, you know. And so he wants
to play with his son, and he's gonna put pressure
on the Lakers. You want me to resign, Hey, you
got draft picks, use it on Brownie. And if it's Phoenix,
then he's gonna end up there. I believe he is wholehearted,
(38:26):
adamant about it, and he's ready to make that move.
He's done it before, so it's it won't be new.
It's not like he's been with one franchise but his
whole Korea.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
So he's bounced around, I know. But it's like how
to express it. It's like he's not leaving with these guys.
One in high school, one in elementary school. He just
built a gigantic house in Beverly Hills, Like he's not
going anywhere.
Speaker 9 (38:53):
He had those same things in Cleveland, in Miami, in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yeah, but he's also he's also he you know, they're
in the they make movies.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
He's into the scene. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 9 (39:06):
Yeah, that's the reason he came to Ali after basketball.
But I again, his son is key in this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Has anybody pulled him aside and say, hey, he can't play?
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Like what, like, what are we? What are we doing?
Like he can't he can't play?
Speaker 9 (39:26):
The kid can play.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
No, he can't. He's not an NBA player.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
He's not a player old olden like listen, he wasn't
one of the ten best high school players in his
high school league. He wasn't people of starting at USC
this year. When he did start, they were awful. Okay,
he's not. When I say he can't play, doesn't mean
he can't walk in chew gum. He can't play basketball.
He's not an NBA player.
Speaker 9 (39:51):
Two different things from what I was saying.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
No, but I'm talking about like I'm talking about basketball guy,
the basketball guy.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Everybody else in there going like, he can't.
Speaker 9 (40:00):
Man, he's you know, one of the days that I
had a problem with. And again, I'm gonna give the
kid all the benefit of the doubt. I wish him well,
but I didn't like how he was moving when he
was shooting those jump shots in the combines. I'm like,
we's the energy level, Wes. You're not gonna play like
that in a regular game. You know you will never
(40:22):
move that slow in a basketball game.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
I just I don't think he's an NBA player. I
don't think it's it's really particularly close. And determining how
you finish your historically great career based upon who will
who will you know, leverage the Lakers to drafting him
just seems silly.
Speaker 9 (40:42):
It is going to be, but it happens in all
walks of life. You know, has a business, the stuff
takes over and all that. So I get all that,
and I listen. Lebron likes doing a lot of First,
he wants to be the first basketball player to have
a play with his son because none of us had
(41:02):
ever had that opportunity, nobody, not Jordan, not Magic, nobody.
He will be the only one to ever do it,
and I don't think any but one ever will again.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Probably not probably.
Speaker 9 (41:15):
Speaks.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
It's amazing. Longevity is amazing.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Uh, He's the one only old paulies Oh, I gotta
ask you, Tyler gets a huge deal with the Clippers.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Do you approve?
Speaker 9 (41:26):
I approve. I mean, he wasn't gonna go anywhere. That
money was too good. I mean, other teams wanted him,
so the Clippers new to lock them in. So it's
a good deal for them. He knows the team, they
know him. They just got to figure out what they're
gonna do with Kawhi and Paul George. I mean that
that experiment died a long time ago. You know, they
got to figure all that out. And I'm not even
(41:47):
gonna touch on teams hard, but the Kawhi Leonard experiment
and I need Paul George. That really crippled the team.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
No question. And the fact that Kawhi can't seem to
stay healthy. But they're they're they're all on team Kawi.
Let's see if they're all on Paul George as well.
Oh but you're the best.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Thanks for joining us, all right, dog think it.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
That's my guy, Olden Paul and he's joining us in
the Doug Gottlieb Show. Do you guys understand what I
when I meant when I said can't play, it doesn't
mean that he's he physically can't play basketball.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Or that he's terrible.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
It's just in when you're evaluating guys and you're watching him,
you're like, what are we what are we doing here?
I mean and and just so you know, like this
is this is my life for the last week and
a half as you're trying to put together a roster
and you have kids in the portal. And there's a
company called Synergy, which everybody in basketball has, and you
(42:40):
can look at a player and press the button and
watch every pick and roll he's he's played this year,
all different sorts of levels of professional union, name it.
And you know, we watched guys last night. I was
watching on the way to the Brewer game. I watched
eight different players play. We were looking for big guys,
(43:03):
and each one was worse than the next. And like,
yet you want to get you want to like especially
if you talk to these kids, you're like, man, I
really want to like this kid. Then you watch the
stave like ooh what, no chance can't play. So it's
not that he can't play at a college level. I've
said it before, like Ducane is a great place.
Speaker 8 (43:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
They redid the arena a couple of years ago. It's
awesome to the middle Pittsburgh Lebron. One of Lebron's best
friends in the world high school Teamate is the new
head coach. Like it's in the Atlantic ten, you go
and play, improve your game. He's got to become more
of an alpha. He's got to do something. But sometimes
he's just out there. But go have a great experience.
(43:45):
But Lebron kind of forced in this thing. And I
know that Giannis has been There's been plenty of NBA
players who have, whether it's a brother, you know, they
they forced some things. This one's a big force that
you don't need, at least you don't need in terms
of determining where you finish your incredible NBA career. Your
(44:05):
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Uh hoop last night waiting waiting waiting on uh this
hoop to continue because the Boston Celtics are waiting in
the NBA Finals. So this night the Minnesota Timberwolves decided
no sweep, maybe a gentleman's sweep, but they outplay the
(01:07):
Dallas Mavericks. And it should be pointed out and I
think this is more than just a little thing with
what took place last night that the Mavericks. You know,
if you don't have one of the best young rim
protectors in the NBA, things just feel different, right, They
(01:29):
just feel different. And last night the Mavericks, and it's
it's a different lineup, different lineup when you don't have
Derek Lively. In Lively has been so incredibly effective, especially
in the playoffs. You know, and I know he doesn't
average as many blocks as Daniel Gafford does, but he
(01:51):
affects shots as well as the fact that offensively he's
a better roller to the hoop, I mean, basically split
most of the game. But let's not make We're not
making excuses. They wouldn't want us to make excuses, and
I would guess he'll be back for four, Game five, right,
Game five in Minnesota, And in reality, even though Luca
(02:14):
and Dallas have won twice in Minnesota, there does become
the chance of Game six in Dallas being a pressure
field game. Anthony Edwards finally gave us a glimpse of
what we thought we were watching with Anthony Edwards dominant
previously call Anthony Towns played really really well. He had
twenty five made four threes. Jay McDaniels was also outstanding,
(02:40):
and they got a little bit more production off the bench. Meanwhile,
Dallas look Lucas struggles shooting the basketball, so much so
that Luca actually accepted blame for the loss. Take a listen,
all right, we'll get that for you one second. The
(03:02):
point is, oh, you do have it all right, here's Luke.
Here's Luke after the game.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
That game is on me.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Just didn't give enough energy, So we gotta do better.
They won one game, We just gotta focus on the
next one. We won three games. It's first. Like I said,
it's first of four, and no matter if you win
in in four or in seven, I just got to
win four.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
All this is in fact true.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
All you gotta you gotta, all you gotta do is
win basketball games and the rest takes care of itself.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I do think we sit here and go. Has there
been a game and it felt like.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Game three, Luca hitting that gigantic shot, and he's hit
other shots, You're like, oh, this is a Luki game.
Now he has the ability to win one by himself,
or it feels like by himself. And if we use
even the Oklahoma City Series as a guide, I believe
it was game four of that one where he missed
one of two free throws when they were down two.
(04:00):
Took the blame for himself, just like shooting the ball
poorly seven to twenty one. He took the blame on
himself as well. But I mean, look, it gives us
at least one more game, so we don't have as
much time off away from the NBA. It creates at
least a little bit of doubt in your head if
(04:21):
you like the Mavericks, and you don't have to think,
oh okay, it's just a walk in the park. And
it's huge for the reputation of Karl Anthony Towns, which
had taken a beating because of his play and some
of his reactions. I thought Jason Kidd had really something
really smart to say. Here's Jake Kidd on how hard
(04:42):
is to close out playoff series?
Speaker 6 (04:44):
Understand what, you know, if we won this game, we
do close it out, but it's hard to close in
this league, and so understanding that we didn't play our best,
give Minnesota credit they did, and so we're headed to
Minnesota tomorrow and the you know, to play game five.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It is hard. It's hard.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
We see this in baseball, you know, hard to get
those final three outs. Last night I went to Brewer's Cubs, and,
by the way, that was pretty cool that you were
watching the game there, Jay stew As we were texting,
the Cubs had a rookie pitcher throw seven innings of
no hit ball. He threw ninety three pitches, and they
(05:27):
pulled him to start the eighth inning he was throwing.
And I know no hitters don't mean anything, but I
haven't thrown a no hitter in Major League Baseball, of you,
so in ever to protect him, they pulled him. Anyway,
the point is that the Cubs blew the save in
the ninth inning because no matter how even if you
try and convince yourself twenty seven outs, all those outs
(05:47):
are the same. For whatever reason, those last three outs
are a lot harder to get. They just are so
one nothing game. The Astros hadn't had to hit the
entire game, and they break through in the bottom of
the ninth inning and score a run, did get thrown
out at second base, then lose the next ra innings
and if you watch baseball, you know that, Yeah, it's
(06:10):
twenty four difficult outs than those last three. Completely different
level of difficulty. The same thing in the NBA playoffs,
where you say, hey, to get to those three wins,
really hard to get that fourth win. Now, some teams
lay down, but the Timberwolves are too young, too energetic,
too full of hope to actually lay down, actually down.
(06:33):
Quick side note in terms of my experiencing all of
Wisconsin guys, Buyer, when was the last time you were
out a Brewer game.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
It's been a few years.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Did they have the real butter on the popcorn?
Speaker 7 (06:49):
I don't remember. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Oh my gosh, like it was a life changing experience
eating that popcorn. Listen, we can't in and I got
tickets from Brian Anderson, of course calls the games on
the TV side for the Brewers.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
And so we came in and we.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Parked in like the the player parking lot, and we
walked in and we're in that outfield area where you know,
there's the fence and you can see through actually to
the ballpark. Right there's a bar down there as well,
and they were walking up and then we're walking through
the concourse and if you haven't been to what's it
called American Family Field right now?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
American Family Field. Yeah, used to be Millle Park.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
So you walk through most of the park, you can
see you know, from the concourse, you can see the field.
So I'm walking, walk, walk in all of sudden popcorn right,
and the popcorn is like bright white, like fresh Colonel popcorn.
It says if they went to Iowa, grabbed the kernel
(07:49):
of corn and threw it in, it was like perfect.
But if you know anything like movie theater and usually
popcorn and a ballpark, usually it's like a bright yellow
because they put the fake butter in there and it's
already buttered and salted. And I was like, man, I
really want my own. Do you guys not have butter
and salt? They're like, yeah, we have butter and salt,
like we'll put you ont butter on it. Yes, And
they had real butter, like they had sticks of butter.
(08:12):
They were churning and then the liquid and I was incredible,
Oh my gosh, I mean, I mean, and we were
there was like five of us were sitting.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Can you believe how good this is? This is incredible?
Speaker 7 (08:26):
Get your popcorn ready.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Man, I had my popcorn ready, but then to take
a picture out, I just I don't, I mean, I
guess we're protecting arms now, but really a rookie, we'd
never thrown that many pitches before. Yeah, you never had
a no hitter before. That was crazy. And I guess
(08:49):
Craig Council is kind of famous for doing this stuff.
But I'm sure that that edict did not come from
Craig Council himself.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
But man, what a what a performance last night? That
was incredible.
Speaker 8 (09:03):
I I saw Cody Bellinger bring one back, right.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I did h in centerfield?
Speaker 8 (09:08):
Yeah, yeah, that was.
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That was part of the no hitter.
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That's expresspros dot com. Look, I would agree like Luca
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I know we think Michael Jordan was awesome every game,
but he would have games like that in the playoffs.
You're like, man, I meant Kobe Bryant's last championship, he
was six of I want to say, twenty five twenty
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four from the floor. So Luca didn't shoot well. He
was moving pretty well. I thought Minnesota changed some things up.
And then the big thing is Karlnthone Towns is making shots.
It's a different team when the big guy steps out
and makes four or five threes after looking completely.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Shook prior to that.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
And as much as we want to say the series
is over, it's not crazy. If you win one more
game now the pressure gets on Dallas. But if we
use even last series as our guide, Luca kind of
butchered the end of Game four, missing a free throw,
and then game five they turned around and came back
and won. And oh yeah, by the way, if we
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want to say that the pressure the more Minnesota wins
get cranked up on Dallas, we can point out that
Luca seems to love playing under the most pressure.
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All right. So, no NBA game tonight.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Because the Wolves fought off elimination, so they did force
a game five and they get to go back home.
So the chances are we could extend it to six.
We could see that very much, see that happening. There
are some other interesting things going on in the world
of sports. But we think that the middle of the week,
the middle of the show, the middle of the day.
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Calls from the mid Way, it's not getting.
Speaker 9 (12:04):
It's time for.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
The Midway.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Okay there, gentlemen, what do we decide on we're gonna
do for the Midway? We're gonna do Kaitlyn Clark? Are
we gonna do the uh the Negro league stats being
morphed into all baseball stats.
Speaker 8 (12:24):
Yeah, no decision as of yet you could be the
arbiter there.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Arbiteur a tour.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I'm okay doing both. I think we've got time doing both.
We've been good on time today. Uh, let's start. Let's
start with the Caitlin Clark thing. Let's see if we
can flush out in the Kaitlyn Clark thing if we
have a chance. If not, we can always circle back
on the pod and get into the baseball stats.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
That okay with you, Jase do No, that sounds like
a plan.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
So I think here's the big midway question, right, which is,
at what point in time was it, Jase dou that
we move on from Kaitlin Clark.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
What's the what's the Kaitlin Clark angle that you wanted
to hit on?
Speaker 8 (13:02):
No, I mean we're two weeks into her professional career.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (13:06):
Now, I am the person that says that time flies,
but it seems like a lot long, a lot more
long ago. What's the word. It seems like her pro
her pro career started more than two weeks ago. That's
what I'm going for. So, but I just wanted to
get check your guys's temperature here, because you know, I
(13:28):
was live texting the game last night. And uh again,
I'm not saying she's not good, and I'm not saying
she's not getting along pretty well as a pro. But
like I thought, and I'm talking about my perspective here,
she needs to transcend the game to take it to
(13:48):
the next level. Her just being a decent rookie or
being a decent player, I don't think does that. Like
they have written checks that they need to cash down
the road with her popularity. So like, I'm just not
seeing that when I watch her, and it's not an
easy watch. I've never watched the WNBA, never watched NHL
(14:11):
hockey for a lot of the same reasons. It's just
not interesting to me, and I'm losing interest in it.
And I think, I said last night, I think I'm
gonna give it maybe two more weeks and hope that
she transcends Jason.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Let me ask Jason something.
Speaker 10 (14:25):
So, what if we're gonna, like manifest transcending the game
at this point in her career, what would that entail?
Obviously winning more games.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Like no, no, no, no, hol on, Sam, you did a really
good job. But if you're gonna ask the question, yeah,
let him answer the sure.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Sure. I was just adding a little further context to.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
No, you need to need to You asked a really
good question, what does that entail?
Speaker 8 (14:46):
Jase two and entails like, no matter what you're doing,
you need to tune in. Tiger Woods, Uh, Tim Tebow
in college, No matter what you're doing, you need to
tune in to watch, And the press.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
Transcends Tiger didn't he have to start somewhere or on
the building towards greatness. Tebow had to start somewhere building
his legacy at Florida. So she's she's twenty percent into
her rookie season or eight games in, so where I mean,
it's just like what are the are there are different?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
A little different take a little different perspective, But I
want to get to that second.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
First buyer, where are you on your interest level? In
Kitler Clark?
Speaker 11 (15:30):
So I didn't watch last night. I have watched when
the viewing has been easy or easier, ABC, ESPN, whatever
the case is. I have tuned in on those occasions.
If there's not as much of a conflict, I have
tuned in and I've kept it on there. What I
thought was so telling and specifically about last night, because
it's a clip that went viral and it's a bigger
(15:55):
conversation I think about the w n B A is
that you had you had a woman at the free
throw a line last night that was so focused on
stopping Kitlyn Clark, she didn't realize that she had another
free throw after the one that she shot. Do you
see this clip, thug Yep, she shoots the free throw
and then she immediately goes and tries to man up
(16:16):
on defense when she has the second one.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
And like, if you think.
Speaker 11 (16:21):
About that, first of all, this woman was so preoccupied
with Caitlin Clark that she didn't even think about her
scoring or where the game situation was. But also of
all the other players on the Indiana fever.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
It was so.
Speaker 11 (16:35):
Important for the La Sparks to make sure that you
cut off the head of the snake of Caitlyn Clark,
that you would go to that length to do so.
Like it was such a focus, which then tells me
the rest of her team stinks, and the rest of
her team, you know, also includes like another number one
overall pick and so like to be so to Jason's
(17:00):
point that he's talked about or that you have talked
about Doug in this conversation about making things easier for
for Caitlin Clark. I don't know if you have to
do that, but man, there isn't as much talent unless
it's all on the aces in.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
New York Liberty.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
That's actually true, you know.
Speaker 11 (17:16):
Then I thought that there was in the league if
if she is that important to that other team of
them trying to stop.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Okay, couple things to dig into here, Okay. The first
is we are kind of burying the lead of what
we most of us feel, and Sam, I could be wrong.
You may not feel this way, which is it's hard
to watch women's basketball.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
Oh hold on, hold on, I have things add to
that for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Okay, it's hard to watch and hard.
Speaker 10 (17:50):
To watch Jillie seventy eight for seventy four game with
forty minutes of play with me, Well, like they're playing
eight fewer and it's than the WNBA. But this is
professional women's basketball, and sometimes they're scoring in the sixties
and seventies and seventies and eighties.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Just that they're just they're not They're like you're watching
you watch Derek Lively play blocking shots above the rim,
Derek Jones finishing shots, and as much as Luca is
in a blur Athletically, the shot making, the skill, the
town is so much better.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
There's no dunking.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
It's just hard to watch.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
It's a different It just is there's just no other
And and what's interesting is, like, here's where I would
push back on you, Jay stew in terms of transcending sports.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
No, she's not Tiger. There's only one Tiger. But it's
also golf.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Has there ever been a professional women's sports that you
have watched, like women's soccer has had I think they
still have a league, They've had leagues. There's been like
maybe women's tennis, but even that, when was the last
time you sat down maybe Serena on the on the
going away.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Tour sort of thing. So she kind of has transcended.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But the first thing is, I think what wears you
down is the fact that the overall of the sport
you actually nailed at dan Bayer without even no maybe
planning on doing so. The league was a mess last
year because two teams have all the players right, all
the players.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's not really close.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And then you factor in it's not a great watch,
not competitive games. There's a lot of complaining about stuff
when like, I'm not really sure why anybody's complaining her
team's not very good and it's gonna get thankfully, there's
not a ton of stuff going on right now. But
when the Olympics start, I think that wears down and
once we get to win anything football, Like, you're not
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gonna watch WNBA basketball. I don't care how much you
say you are. You know you're not gonna watch it
when the NBA Finals are on. You're not gonna watch
it when the NFL is on, and you know most
guys aren't gonna watch it when when there's there's a
high level golf on. So it's on. It's better than
it's ever been. It's a better watch than it's ever been.
(20:04):
But that doesn't make it a great watch. And just
because she's transcending how we watch sports does not mean
that she's transcending at the level of Tiger or the
level of Lebron, the level of you know of you
name it.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Anyway, can I jump in there?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Of course, So.
Speaker 10 (20:20):
You know, she's obviously not Tiger Woods. That's an individual sport, but.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
She has it.
Speaker 10 (20:26):
She this is not you know, it can't be She's
not just succeed in the w A if it's w
NBA if it's one on five, Like she she's been
playing basketball since NonStop, pretty much since the fall. You know,
she still needs time to gel with this team. She
needs to find chemistry. You know, it's just been bang
bang bang regular season college basketball right into the pros.
(20:48):
And I just feel like that this team they're just
they're still just very clunky.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
You watch them play, they're clunky.
Speaker 10 (20:53):
She'll be she'll be throwing a dime down the court
and it'll get into the it'll get into the player
under the hoops hand, and then she'll she won't make
the layoup and like that's something that should just be
sort of you know, almost high percentage shot.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Right.
Speaker 10 (21:07):
So there's there's just a lot of clunkiness still. And
again she has played already. The Connecticut Son, the New
York Liberty, and Las Vegas Aces, who have a ton
of the talent at WNBA, and the Atlanta Dream have
only played four games and the Fever have played eight.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
So I think she's just exhausted.
Speaker 10 (21:26):
She's on a bad team or a team at least
is trying jail still, and they played a ton of games,
and uh yeah, I mean, like they're just they're finding
chemistry and again we're twenty percent in and people want
to flush her. That's fine, but I think those people
like being out a game Friday night. Her fans are
for real. It's like, it's it's crazy.
Speaker 11 (21:47):
I'm with Sam on that thing, Like I think that
there's a much longer shelf life than then Jason is.
I think, you know, Jason, maybe the I don't want
to say the one off, but that's his individual situation.
But I think the there there is just like we're
not going to be sick of Victor Imbanyama, you know
after one season and then we saw what he did
(22:08):
in that season. It's going to be amazing. But I
think it would be this ingenuous of us to judge
him out of his first ten games and then be like,
all right, I'm I'm over rookie quarterback four games into
his season.
Speaker 10 (22:21):
Like, let's say we're still playing sixteen games, quarter of
the way through the season and one in three.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Are we ready to flush that guy?
Speaker 9 (22:29):
C J.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
Stroud is probably the perfect example.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
These examples are to me don't count because the WNBA
meant nothing to me. I ignored it for almost its
entire existence. Same with the NHL. And I'll give you.
I'll give you the analogy in the NHL. If some
guy in Canadian minors, Canadian juniors was averaging ten goals
(22:52):
a game, just blowing away Canadian juniors and revolutionizing Canadian hockey,
I would tune into that players first NHL game, even
though I can't stand watching hockey, because I if you,
if you're a transformative athlete in sports, that gets my attention.
(23:12):
And then this NHL player that averaged ten goals a
game in the juniors just becomes a regular NHL player,
I'm going to go back to ignoring the NHL. That's
that's my point. You guys are bringing NBA in the
NFL in here that those aren't examples that I'm comparing
it to. I'm comparing it to sports that I have
always ignored. And am I going to start paying attention
(23:34):
to you?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I'm with j Stu on that one. I want J Stu.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I also would tell you that that there's there's a
part of this story which we're not really giving credit
to in terms of of Caitlin Clark and I actually
think the WNBA players themselves won't say it, but they
know it as well. Have you noticed that now they're
taking and I'm I'm sure it's existed previously, maybe we didn't,
(24:06):
we didn't pay attention. But now when they show up
their arrival videos are now going viral and many of
the women are dressed and men like, listen, there some
very beautiful women playing basketball. But it's like so much
previously there was I look, the WNBA has a high
percentage of lesbian incident and kind of sold to that audience, right,
(24:30):
And it was it Honestly, you'd go to WNBA games
and I'd gone to a couple because I have a
couple of friends of coached in the w and you
would feel like as a straight male, like even if
you brought your daughter, it was a little different atmosphere.
Now this is kind of for everybody and especially for
you know, it's it's like a for little girls that
play basketball and high school girls to play basketball like
(24:52):
she's there, champion, And it's a very real thing that
lots of guys I played with or played again, they
sent their daughters to play volleyball and other sports. And
one reason was was kind of the cloud over It
was could you be straight and playing the WNBA? And
now you can and I don't think that's going away,
because I do think that that support from mainstream moms
(25:17):
and daughters and dads that coach their daughters like they're
absolutely behind this, and I think that basketball people are
little bit more into it than they have been previously.
But I think the mainstream fans or the people are
hopping on to the big story like insanity. They'll go away,
They'll go away.
Speaker 11 (25:36):
I feel in a way Jason's trying to get himself
to stop watching is that it. Are you trying to
self sabotage it all, Jason Areas?
Speaker 8 (25:45):
I'm rooting for it. I remember I said on when
you were in on Monday. I made the point on
the air that there was a second or ten second
period of time on Friday Night's game that Sam went
to when I saw the Kitlin car that I want
to tune in and watch. She was leading her team
from behind on a fast break. She pulls up for
(26:06):
a logo, three nails, it fist in the air, moxie
in your face. That's what I want to see all
the time, and it's just not happening. I had to
slog through that game last night. It is really hard
to walk.
Speaker 10 (26:20):
It's not happening, but you're getting you're getting little doses
of it, and.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
I mean, and I'm saying that's not enough.
Speaker 10 (26:26):
I know, I know, I just think that's unrealistic. I mean,
she's she's pulling out little magic tricks here and there,
but it sounds like you want her to, you know,
pull a rabbit out of it, had out on the street. Yeah,
but I mean again, we're twenty percent into her rookie year.
That's that's a small little sample.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
But no, Dan, I'm rooting for her. I want to
see her succeed.
Speaker 11 (26:46):
Then, but if she then goes and hits ten threes
in a game next month, then you haven't watched for
two or three weeks, so you got to be back
in I think.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
So.
Speaker 10 (26:56):
Yeah, so you're saying there's an ability, that there's an
ability we can bring you back.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
Of course, yeah, I'm just saying I'll stop watching the
two weeks.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
But that also, I think then tells to her staying factor.
Speaker 11 (27:07):
If she does get adjusted to the game, and it
is the thirty five footers, it is the thirty seven footers.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
It's the same thing with Steph Curry. Yes, honestly, that's
it is.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
And I actually think that Sam's point that he's made
fifteen times, which is it's the first first two weeks,
is like, look, any other rookie we give grace to,
We just do Webin Yama is a perfect example of it.
Maybe it's that there hasn't been a big gap between
college and pro and because we saw college and she's
(27:39):
been less efficient, And it's the turnovers.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
But part of it is did anybody pay attention to
the turnovers during the college season? No, of course not.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
We we just saw the highlights of hitting thirty footers.
Speaker 11 (27:52):
There's also something interesting that's going on with this, and
it's an ESPN only deal. They are trying so hard
to push Angel Reese yes as well. Like I saw
a tweet this weekend of Angel Reese was the only
w NBA rookie to score in double figures in every
(28:13):
game this season. They were three games in and the
high that she had was thirteen. That was a tweet
set out by an ESPN personality, Caitlin Clark had what
thirty last night?
Speaker 7 (28:25):
Was that it yep thirty?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
So what do you think's behind that?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Because I think Jason and I both suspect we know
and I wonder if you think you now.
Speaker 11 (28:34):
I think they're I think they're trying to feed two
fan bases.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I think I think they're trying to not be called racists.
Speaker 10 (28:41):
I think they're also trying to keep a rival alive
and well and keep her relevant.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Maybe that's actually not bad, that's not bad because the
big I think the big thing is they don't want
to be called racist because what's been labeled is, well,
if you only follow Kaitlyn Clark and not and not
Angel Race within your racist Sure, No, she's better and
she's a better watch, and more people like how she
plays better.
Speaker 11 (29:05):
There was also something that was that was said where
Caitlyn had thirty points last night and ESPN said, like
was something that Angel Reese did may have been more impressive.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
Did you see this? Yeah, yeah, so so.
Speaker 11 (29:18):
But again, like you need, you need Caitlyn Clark to
be a part of the story to make Angel Reese
and that may not be fair. Angel Reese took it,
took a subtle shot at Caitlin Clark when she wasn't subtle,
when it was it was very passive aggressive. Uh, she
just it was uh what do they call it? On
on on Twitter? On ex subtweeting. It was a verbal
(29:41):
subtweet of Caitlyn Clark when she was talked about her
herd follow and this past weekend and saying like, it's
not because I'm a rookie, you know, and blah blah blah.
So it's very interesting.
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Stuck out the show Fox Sports Radio. So obviously last
night not the best night for the Mavericks to be
waxing poetic about Kyrie Irving, but there is it does
feel different. Does feel different, uh, in terms of, you know,
(30:29):
he's not as standoffish in the media.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
He's not as.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
What's the word I'm looking for, doesn't he doesn't feel
as cold abrasive. Yeah, and he seems to be a
really good teammate, at least to Luca and to the
rest of those guys and kind of figuring out, figuring out.
Here's Charles Barkley talking about Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
He self inflicted itself. He got to take some responsibility.
I think he's grown up. I think he's mature. Steven
A and other people criticized him, and he were rightly
and deserved it. You can't go out there being antisemitic,
and you know, you can do the vaccame thing. That's
your own thing. But he deserved a criticism he got.
He deserved the suspension he got. But as a basketball player,
I think he's really grown up. I thought after Game
(31:18):
one that was a grown man in full of flight.
I've never seen him that happy. We all made mistakes.
I've done plenty of too particul At some points, you
have to grow up, and I think he's grown up.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I'd like to think he has. And it's funny, you know,
people will say, hey, he hasn't really grown up. He's
just keeping his opinions to himself. Okay, that's still growing up, right,
it's still growing up. It's the and we have this
on social media. Like I can tell you from personal experience,
(31:51):
right that social media, as great as it is to
make funny quips and remarks like you don't have to
comment on every story, you don't have to win argument.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
That's maturity.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
You can still feel the same way you feel. And
I would be vehemently opposed to many of the things
he said, but you don't have to make them public.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
That too, is maturity.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
I think a lot of us think maturity is, oh, hey,
you know what what I said was wrong? I'm sorry,
my bad. I think differently. The reality is a lot
of times you're not gonna see it differently. You see
it your own way. But keeping it to yourself and
maintaining your poise, that is a love that does take
a love of maturity. Olden Polonies is our next guest,
(32:36):
of course, he's our Fox Sports Radio NBA analysts. He
played fifteen years in the NBA And well, thanks so
much for taking times. What are your thoughts on what
changed between the Mavericks and the Wolves last night let
the Wolves get their first win?
Speaker 9 (32:52):
Well, it was a couple of things. I mean, coll
Anthony Towns finally played like the afsar that he is
and that made a huge difference. He not don shut.
I've been saying this, you know, and others have said
it for the last seventy seven years. This game is
about makes and misses. That's in a nutshell. The same
shots he had game three he missed, he made in
(33:14):
Game four. You know Anthony had News start off great,
played well, but I do believe that Dallas truly truly
missed Derek Lively, that young man, his energy and the
way he plays. It's a big, big difference, and they
surely missed that. Kleiber came back, but he's not Derek Lively.
(33:36):
He was even afraid to shoot three pointers, you know,
and so to me, he wasn't moving well, he just
wasn't comfortable. I think that was a big blow to
the Mavericks. So I'm sure they're going to bring him
back since it's only a next frame, you know. But
I like how they did that, Doug. They didn't classify
it as a concussion, said it was a next frame.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Yeah, they said it was a next brain sure stuck
leap show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the voice
of Olden Polonies. I'm with you. I mean, you get
that level of rim protection and length, and it allows
you know, all those guys to get beaten defensively and
still defend that rim and it just changes changes the game. Okay, So,
(34:16):
assuming he's back, any cause for concerning for Dallas and
your ability to close out the series.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
I don't believe. So, I mean three always it's hard
to overcome, and I mean it would be a first,
but I doubt we're gonna have any first in this series.
I think Dallas, if they don't close them out in Minnesota,
they're going to close them out at home because they
can ill afford to go back for Game seven, even
(34:43):
though we've had four of them, you know, gone to
Game seven as recently as last year. But I don't
think Dallas wants any part of a Game seven in Minnesota.
You know, that's gonna be too much pressure on those guys.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Stug gott Leap Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What
about the Celtics, how do they match up with the Mavericks.
Speaker 9 (35:03):
I like the matchup for the Mavericks, you know, because
they have guys that can defend. And so to me,
that's what it's gonna come down to. I mean, the
stars are gonna do their things, you know, Kyrie and
Luca and Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum and you know,
and the X factor is gonna be if Pazingers is
able to play, you know, because he's there and protect them.
(35:26):
But at the same time, I just believe that the
energy that the big men have, they're gonna overcome Al
Harford's you know, I mean he's on his last leg.
You know, he's playing well for him, knocking down threees,
but he's still on his last leg. And I think
a young Derek Lively and a young Daniel Gaffer it's
gonna be too much for him to overcome. So I'm
gonna give if it does end up being Dallas, which
(35:48):
I believe it will, I'm giving the advantage to Dallas
because they just have too much size for Boston.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
They do Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah, I just I think the riom protection and then honestly,
like I trust Luca and maybe even Kyrie more than
the other two.
Speaker 9 (36:08):
Oh definitely. I mean Kyrie's a professional closer, and Luca
has never met a shot he didn't like, oh want
to take. You know, his confidence level is on a
two hundred and fifty out of twenty, and so you know,
it's just he's insane with that, sometimes to his own detriment.
But I just believe that they are the smarter of
(36:30):
the two teams, you know, And it's not a I
don't want it to be derogatory, but between the two,
I think they'll do more beneficial things for the team
as opposed to Boston. You know, Boston has been living
and dying by that three pointer, and some days they
don't show up. I mean, the three pointers don't go down.
But that's their game, that's their whole game plan. And
(36:52):
you gotta remember also they've got a nice, little comfortable
run in the Eastern Conference right now with all the
injuries his stars and other teams, they're kind of like,
you know, of course, you got to play the teams
that are put in front of you, but you know,
it would have been different if it was New York
or Milwauke with a healthy honest, you know, things would
(37:13):
have changed. So we just don't know. But they here
now in the finals. So but I'm again I'm giving
the advantage to the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Here one there, I got show here in Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (37:27):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Lebron's agent, Rich Paul wants us to believe he's a
free agent.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
There have been some talk of Phoenix being in the mix.
Do you buy that Lebron would leave the Lakers?
Speaker 9 (37:41):
Oooh, I'm only buying it because if Rich Paul says
he's a free agent, then he's a free agent. Whether
he leaves or that. You know, it's gonna be based
on again, like he said, his son. I think he
was definitely one hundred on that one. It's like it's
gonna be contingent on where my and I'm not mad
(38:02):
at him for you know, you know, using the full
power that he has of nepotism and everything else. It
is what it is, you know. And so he wants
to play with his son, and he's gonna put pressure
on the Lakers. You want me to resign, Hey, you
got draft picks, use it on Brownie. And if it's Phoenix,
then he's gonna end up there. I believe he is wholehearted,
(38:26):
adamant about it, and he's ready to make that move.
He's done it before, so it's it won't be new.
It's not like he's been with one franchise but his
whole Korea.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
So he's bounced around, I know. But it's like how
to express it. It's like he's not leaving with these guys.
One in high school, one in elementary school. He just
built a gigantic house in Beverly Hills, Like he's not
going anywhere.
Speaker 9 (38:53):
He had those same things in Cleveland, in Miami, in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yeah, but he's also he's also he you know, they're
in the they make movies.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
He's into the scene. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 9 (39:06):
Yeah, that's the reason he came to Ali after basketball.
But I again, his son is key in this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Has anybody pulled him aside and say, hey, he can't play?
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Like what, like, what are we? What are we doing?
Like he can't he can't play?
Speaker 9 (39:26):
The kid can play.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
No, he can't. He's not an NBA player.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
He's not a player old olden like listen, he wasn't
one of the ten best high school players in his
high school league. He wasn't people of starting at USC
this year. When he did start, they were awful. Okay,
he's not. When I say he can't play, doesn't mean
he can't walk in chew gum. He can't play basketball.
He's not an NBA player.
Speaker 9 (39:51):
Two different things from what I was saying.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
No, but I'm talking about like I'm talking about basketball guy,
the basketball guy.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Everybody else in there going like, he can't.
Speaker 9 (40:00):
Man, he's you know, one of the days that I
had a problem with. And again, I'm gonna give the
kid all the benefit of the doubt. I wish him well,
but I didn't like how he was moving when he
was shooting those jump shots in the combines. I'm like,
we's the energy level, Wes. You're not gonna play like
that in a regular game. You know you will never
(40:22):
move that slow in a basketball game.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
I just I don't think he's an NBA player. I
don't think it's it's really particularly close. And determining how
you finish your historically great career based upon who will
who will you know, leverage the Lakers to drafting him
just seems silly.
Speaker 9 (40:42):
It is going to be, but it happens in all
walks of life. You know, has a business, the stuff
takes over and all that. So I get all that,
and I listen. Lebron likes doing a lot of First,
he wants to be the first basketball player to have
a play with his son because none of us had
(41:02):
ever had that opportunity, nobody, not Jordan, not Magic, nobody.
He will be the only one to ever do it,
and I don't think any but one ever will again.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Probably not probably.
Speaker 9 (41:15):
Speaks.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
It's amazing. Longevity is amazing.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Uh, He's the one only old paulies Oh, I gotta
ask you, Tyler gets a huge deal with the Clippers.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Do you approve?
Speaker 9 (41:26):
I approve. I mean, he wasn't gonna go anywhere. That
money was too good. I mean, other teams wanted him,
so the Clippers new to lock them in. So it's
a good deal for them. He knows the team, they
know him. They just got to figure out what they're
gonna do with Kawhi and Paul George. I mean that
that experiment died a long time ago. You know, they
got to figure all that out. And I'm not even
(41:47):
gonna touch on teams hard, but the Kawhi Leonard experiment
and I need Paul George. That really crippled the team.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
No question. And the fact that Kawhi can't seem to
stay healthy. But they're they're they're all on team Kawi.
Let's see if they're all on Paul George as well.
Oh but you're the best.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Thanks for joining us, all right, dog think it.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
That's my guy, Olden Paul and he's joining us in
the Doug Gottlieb Show. Do you guys understand what I
when I meant when I said can't play, it doesn't
mean that he's he physically can't play basketball.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Or that he's terrible.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
It's just in when you're evaluating guys and you're watching him,
you're like, what are we what are we doing here?
I mean and and just so you know, like this
is this is my life for the last week and
a half as you're trying to put together a roster
and you have kids in the portal. And there's a
company called Synergy, which everybody in basketball has, and you
(42:40):
can look at a player and press the button and
watch every pick and roll he's he's played this year,
all different sorts of levels of professional union, name it.
And you know, we watched guys last night. I was
watching on the way to the Brewer game. I watched
eight different players play. We were looking for big guys,
(43:03):
and each one was worse than the next. And like,
yet you want to get you want to like especially
if you talk to these kids, you're like, man, I
really want to like this kid. Then you watch the
stave like ooh what, no chance can't play. So it's
not that he can't play at a college level. I've
said it before, like Ducane is a great place.
Speaker 8 (43:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
They redid the arena a couple of years ago. It's
awesome to the middle Pittsburgh Lebron. One of Lebron's best
friends in the world high school Teamate is the new
head coach. Like it's in the Atlantic ten, you go
and play, improve your game. He's got to become more
of an alpha. He's got to do something. But sometimes
he's just out there. But go have a great experience.
(43:45):
But Lebron kind of forced in this thing. And I
know that Giannis has been There's been plenty of NBA
players who have, whether it's a brother, you know, they
they forced some things. This one's a big force that
you don't need, at least you don't need in terms
of determining where you finish your incredible NBA career. Your
(44:05):
your NBA career MHM
Host
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