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October 30, 2024 46 mins

On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug explains why the Dodgers' decision to seemingly give away game four could come back to haunt them.

On this week's version of "The Midway", Doug and the crew talk about the most memorable negative interactions between players and fans.

Doug and the crew discuss the incident involving Mookie Betts and the Yankees' fans. Doug welcomes MLB analyst and former big league outfielder Jeff Francoeur to talk about the World Series. 

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game winner. Yes, uh, Jokich was incredible last night. Yes,

(00:42):
there's other things to talk about, but we got a
World Series that people actually care about, and apparently we
made the decision as a sports world to okay, the fact.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
We're gonna have another game. That's because the Yankees won
was at eleven to four last nights that would have
ended up being last night. We end up being a blowout,
but it's a relatively close game, and of course the
the Dodgers if you look at some of the personnel
late in the game, you're like, I'm not sure how
much they wanted to win that game or really grind
it out, although there were opportunities for them to win
that game. And there's a lot to that discussion I

(01:13):
want to get to first though. Here's Aaron Boone, who
was the victorious manager last night, and what really impressed
him about his team.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Our guys were ready to play. Obviously a lot of
really good at bats, you know, Volpie with a big blow,
but like you said, the bottom of the order, Vulpy,
Wells FORDU Goo All with really good bat at bats,
and then just a nice job of tacking on there.
You know, I was allowed me to get Weave out
of there.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, so look they tacked on a bunch in the
bottom of the eighth inning. Here is Dave Roberts on
his pitching strategy.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Knowing obviously choice number one is to win tonight. But
since that didn't happen. I don't mean this to sound flipped.

Speaker 6 (01:56):
Did this outcome in terms of pitching playout as well
as Absolutely?

Speaker 7 (02:01):
I don't think anyone expected those guys to lay down,
and we had some at bats that I thought could
have been better, but we knew as a bullpen game,
and you know, as far as outcomes to have, you know,
six guys in your pen that are feeling good rested,

(02:21):
I feel good about that and being up three to one.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, all right. So hey, we're up three to one
and Aaron Judge still not really hitting, although he had
to hit last night. By the way, something historic happened
last night. Freddy Freeman hit yet another home run. So
four World Series games, four home runs for Freddy Freeman,
go back to his last two with Atlanta, six in
a row. Here's Freddy Freeman on that streak.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Pre surprise Fane, they're.

Speaker 8 (02:47):
Adding today, Bye Thankees, I'm not surprised, and they're in
the World Series there. You know, they're one of the
best teams in this game, so we knew what we
were We're gonna be tasked with tonight. They just had
their bat's going today, So hopefully Jack calms them down
and we score more runs than.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Them Jack Jack Clarrety, of course he'll start tonight at
the stadium. No panic in the voice of Jason Stewart.
He's sitting there nodding as if he's baseball stradamus. Knowing
that this was in fact the plan, the issue becomes
and look, Judge didn't get it going. The top of
the lineup really didn't get it going. But my only

(03:23):
fear with the Dodgers is you had some misplayed plays
in the field and that can become contagious. It was
mostly Gavin Lux, but it can become contagious. And you know,
winning is so difficult that I don't want to say
they gave away a game, but it felt like they
gave away a game and felt I got that big

(03:44):
a deal. Like okay, because if you lose tonight, now
you go back to LA and make no mistake about
the pressure is squarely on the Dodgers now. The Dodgers
have played well under pressure. Go back to the Padres
season when there's Padres the series, when their backs are
against the wall. But I do you just wonder baseball
is not really a momentum sport, but that one if

(04:06):
there was momentum halted THEIRS halted Theirs and you can
act as if like, ah, not that big a deal,
but it's still it's the series could be over now,
So Jase, do I know you feel still feel good?
I just wonder, and you know, the last thing you

(04:27):
want is Aaron Judge to get his timing, to stop
trying to pull everything and to hit one out of
the yard. And now all of a sudden it becomes
becomes kind of an onslaught. But again, as of now,
Dodger's still very much in prime position. Your level of
confidence is what Jase do.

Speaker 6 (04:44):
I'm actually supremely confident that we're going to win the series,
but as as always, I'm going to have my share
of issues. You know, when Dave Roberts and the collective
that runs the Dodgers decides that these bullpen games and
postseason are going to be, we're gonna try it out
and if it goes south quickly, then we're gonna run

(05:05):
some guys out there just to kill innings. Interesting strategy
for a team that over the last ten years has
had the neck for not coming up when we need
them to come up the best. In other words, they
usually come up short in the postseason. So it's really
risky for Dave Roberts and company to take these risks.

(05:28):
Last night, they obviously punted. They punted during the Padre series,
and they punted during the met series. Whenever you see
this guy Knack and Honeywell in the game. That means
that the Dodgers are trying to not win and that's
a real scary proposition. And then don't get me started
on Gavinlocks. He keeps making these mistakes. Some guys just

(05:50):
aren't caught up for high leverage baseball, and maybe Gavin's
the one guy in the lineup that we should replace
because he keeps making mistakes. He gets bad jumps. Last
night he basically gave the Yankees that beginning with a
couple of defensive mistakes. But yeah, I have my issues,
but ultimately, I think we're gonna win a game six

(06:11):
on Fernando's birthday. I'm gonna hang onto that prediction. I
love predictions.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
I know you hate actual predictions, but you've been big
on that prediction. But I mean, you don't want that
series going back to LA Like that is not that
is suboptimal. I know they've played under a tremendous amount
of stress previously. I understand that, But you don't want that,

(06:36):
do you? I mean, like really, I.

Speaker 6 (06:39):
Mean the baseball fan in me would love to see
more baseball, and it's it would be cool because we
couldn't celebrate in twenty twenty that COVID Tournament championship. We
had to celebrate in Texas. And I want to say
in eighty eight we celebrated in Oakland. So to celebrate
a world Series title at home for the first time

(07:00):
and how forty some on yours, that would be.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Cool, Okay, But my point is more the pressure element,
and as I said before, like they have shown the
ability to play incredibly well under that level of stress
and pressure previously. But I don't think you want I
don't think that's something you want to welcome you. I

(07:26):
just I just don't All it takes is it's baseball.
It's not like hockey, where you know, one slap shot
can ricochet off five things and then suddenly go into
the net. But it is as much as the series
series hasn't been close, there's a way in which you're like, Okay,
well show Hay's banged up and he's not hitting, and
you know it does it doesn't take much. It doesn't

(07:48):
take much. On the other hand, the gentleman's sweep is
very much alive and one more game doesn't hurt anybody.
Everybody just gets rich off of it and It'll be
fast to see if the Dodgers can because closing out
the Yankees, those twenty seven outs feel like thirty five
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(08:32):
last night's game without talking about the two Yankees fans. Now.
You may have heard from Dan Byer in our update
that they're not allowed to attend the game tonight, right,
But why are they allowed to attend games? Period? It's
not like they just reached over And we'll talk about
this later on the show. And did the Bartman like
dude was literally trying to take the ball out of

(08:53):
Mookie Bett's glove And I'm sure I haven't looked. I
don't know. It feels it feels like the barstoolization of America.
That's what it feels like like you come to a game.
I'm not against bringing your glove. I'm just not. I
always I've never caught a foul ball, so I totally

(09:14):
understand you want to catch a foul ball and like
they come in eye and hot, you want to don't
want to catch one in your hands? Okay, probably now
I would. I would do. I don't have a baseball
MIT that I take to games, but I'm not going
to criticize all guys for having a MIT. But if
the ball is if you're in the World Series and

(09:35):
the ball is caught by one of the players on
either team taking the ball out of his mitt and
being a dB about it, that like what are you doing?
And I've heard people go like, not that big a deal,
Yes it is. It's all about precedence. If you allow
that to happen, then what don't you allow to have happened?

(09:59):
I can't. I just can't believe like Cowhard, for example,
had no issue with it. What are you talking about?
This is what fans have become super entitled, obnoxious and
they think everything belongs to them, Like, dude, the everyone
else came to see a baseball game, Mookie Bets made
the play and oh yeah, by the way, there's a
World there where Mookie Bets catches the out, shows it

(10:20):
to the umpire and flips you the ball. But ripping
a ball from a guy's glove, what are you doing?

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Speaker 10 (10:50):
Um.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
We got a really good hour for you. By the way,
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extra Bonus Hour podcast. And we'll talk a lot about uh,
the idea momentum, no momentum in baseball. We got some

(11:14):
Shanstikeing and Anthony Richardson stuff to talk about. My man
Daniel Jeremiah's going to talk. So we have a lot
of NFL upcoming this hour, and of course we have
the press with with Dan Byer. But it is a
Wednesday it is Wednesday, right hump day, middle of the week,
middle of the show, middle of the day. Let's get
to the midway. He's not getting it's time for the midway.

(11:39):
This one was pretty easy. Very rarely when we have
our group text is there like one topic and everybody's
like yep. It's always like hey, what about and what about?
And what about and what about? And there's between two
to four and sometimes we'll have somebody else chime in
or some other thing that you know, Jason will give
you kind of us two different options of things. He's thinking, whatever,

(11:59):
this one was pretty easy, Jase, you wasn't.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
Yeah, yeah, I'll try. I'll try not to take offense
to this being non creative and in too easy. But
today I was thinking, since you know, between us, I
think we have like eighty years of radio experience. We
have talked about the significant fan interactions with games and

(12:22):
players for many years, and in a lot of ways,
this topic is the true essence of talk radio. Fans
thinking they make a difference, fans wanting to make a difference,
and as you eloquently put it a half hour ago,
you don't matter. So let's talk about like some of

(12:45):
the most notable fan interactions with games and teams players,
and I'd like to start with Steve Bartman because in
a lot of ways, I think that episode and that
person's life should have never been impacted. It was the
decision of one person that ruined Steve Bartman's life. And

(13:07):
for those that aren't completely familiar with this situation, it
was two thousand and three. The Cubs were playing the
Marlins and the NLCS. It was in Ridley Field, pop
fly down their left field line. Moyses Alou was pursuing
a Cubs fan with walkman on or a discman On
reached up and tried to catch the ball. Moyses Alou

(13:32):
had a complete conniption because of this. I don't even
know if Moyses would have caught the ball, but because
Alu reacted the way he did, he forever changed the
life of this poor Cubs fan. Everyone hates him, All
Cubs fans hate him. Member They had not won a
World Series in what almost one hundred years, and Steve

(13:55):
Bartonan was just one of the reasons why. And I
solely blame mois A Slou. I want to say, in
recent years he has admitted as much and has tried
to apologize that maybe I'm making that up. Let the
fact check me on that, But Steve Barman, that's the
one that sticks out, and I really feel bad for
the guy.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
In terms of fan interactions, I give you The Mouse
the Palace. Guys, Right, you guys know Bill Bird the comedian?
Have you ever? Right? Does everybody know Bill Birth?

Speaker 5 (14:31):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Okay, he has a bit and you guys can google
it online. It's really good, and it was he did
it for about ten years after The Mouse at the Palace,
and it was like, basically the premise was Hey, for
years spans and stands and be like, Hey, come up here,
Why don't you come up here? They came up there
and ron O Test basically knocked out an entire row
of people with one punch. Right. That's it was really sad.

(14:57):
It was gross and in many ways scary. But what
was the premise of the text was what was our topic?
Most memorable? Yeah, I can't think of a stronger memory
I have than those two.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
I'll say this because I do want to jump in
on Jason's point as well. I mean, the amount of
content that we've gotten from the Malice at the Palace
of documentaries of podcasts of everything that went down. There's
been some with Bartman, but the mystery of Bartman is
still I mean like that's like it's still out there.

(15:37):
Like we talked about who needs to do a documentary
in sports? And I think everything has basically been done.
There are very few topics that haven't been done. And
the reveal of Bartman would be amazing. I would love
to know. I hope we find out at some point.

(15:59):
I would love to know this story, and I think
he would be universally loved and embraced after all of
this time and the malice of the palace. We hear
Stephen Jackson and you know, Metal World Peace all say
there are things. The mystery of the Bartman one is
just still so intriguing to it.

Speaker 11 (16:20):
And Dan in the day and age of people wanted
to come forward, go online and talk about this last night,
either either apologize for what they did or just talk
about it like and glowed about it, or just explain themselves.
Bartman has been impossible to find. He is, I mean,
he hasn't wasn't he? Oh, by the way, do you
guys remember when they Dan Patrick thought he had Bartman

(16:42):
on Sports Center and it's actually just a crank call
from the Howard Stern Show, and it was like the
most tense interview and then they just is like he
said something about farts or something or I don't remember,
but but yeah, Bartman is like wants anthing to do
with this in a day and age where we live,
where people want their fifth teen minutes or just want
to clear the record or clear their clear the air.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
If these yahoos last night are being celebrated, I mean
Bartman would.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Be I vaulted, what's that exalted?

Speaker 5 (17:14):
It would be what a story? And then how bad
would to your point of moisty saw Lou apologizing.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
I were gonna tell you the guys, the Moises Alu
story that so you know, he was in Miami when
they won the World Series. Boog Shambi was the play
by Polley voice at the time, and when he moved
to Chicago, booging him at dinner one time and book
tells me a story. It's the best ever, and he
was just like, so, mo I like Chicago. He's like

(17:42):
a lot of day games. It just strikes me as
you signed with Chicago Cubs and they didn't have lights
until nineteen eighty eight. You didn't know they played lots
of day games.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
Amazing. I love that I've got an interaction real Faust.

Speaker 6 (17:59):
I want to I want to make sure that we
button your point about the Bartman documentary, and I'm going
to google it after this to see if there's been
anything done. I think he's turned down every request. But
we have seen in the past two weeks the power
of modern day media. In other words, the Menendez Brothers
drama series and then the documentary. That kind of it

(18:22):
goes with the drama series literally is going to get
them out of prison. People don't read anymore, people don't
want to read it anymore, but they are. They are
moved by the power of that that series. Literally he
got Kim Kardashian on board. So you're right. If Bartman
agreed to do this, I think he would be completely
exonerated and beloved.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
Acquitted in the court of public opinion. The next Netflix
murder show that they do. Do you hear about this?
So they did the Dahmer and they did the Menendez
I'm serious, and I thought there's a touchliner. No, they're
doing it. I think I read they're doing it on

(19:04):
ed Gean and ed Geen is actually from happening Plainfield, Wisconsin,
and it's kind of the halfway point from my hometown
to Madison. But I think that's going to be the
next season of it if you're into that stuff. Oh,
I love it all right, I've got one, Sam, do
you want to go? Or yeah, I have one too.
Whenever I think I have I think I have the

(19:24):
top one. I think I have the top one.

Speaker 6 (19:26):
Wait a minute, Doug already said there's no top one
other than mouths of the Palace. So how could you
guys both be saying this.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Well, let's see what. Let's see what.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
Who do you want to hear from me?

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Or Sam?

Speaker 6 (19:37):
Me?

Speaker 11 (19:37):
Well, I'm afraid you're going to you're gonna steal mine.
If it's really the top that's I'm afraid you're gonna
steal mine. Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
Monica sell Us nineteen ninety.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Three, Monica Sells, was you stabbing the back?

Speaker 5 (19:48):
Yes? I didn't even wait for the countdown, Sorry, Doug,
I jumped the gun.

Speaker 6 (19:52):
Wow, And I think Dan did win. I totally forgot
about this one.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
When Monica Sellis was stabbed by a fan who was
obsess with Steffie Groff. Because Monica Sellis was dominating tennis.
She came back. She won an Australian Open about three
years later, but she was the dominant player in tennis
and that changed everything. So when you look at last
night and you think that it's haha, funny that these

(20:19):
guys did this, think of like the fear of an
athlete in nineteen ninety three, when you have an actual
player who was at the top of her game, so
it's not like nobody was around. Had a fan come
and stab her in the back in the middle of
a match while she sat at the bench, that is crazy.
What was yours?

Speaker 11 (20:38):
Let's go back to nineteen ninety four. The World Cup
host nation United States playing in a preliminary round against
Columbia and Colombia Zonne Andre Escobar he hits a goal
into his own own goal net yet an own goal,
and of course the nation of Columbia sure was devastated

(21:01):
and freaked out and angry and everything. But after Columbia
was eliminated, he decided instead of going to visit relatives
in Las Vegas, he'd go back to his home country
of Columbia, and he went to a night club with
some friends. This was on July first, nineteen ninety four,
and his friends ended up going home and he was

(21:21):
in a parking lot by himself, in the parking lot
of this nightclub, and three random men showed up and
just started shooting him to death because of the own goal.
And according to what I'm reading here, they were shouting
goal goal every time they shot him, and he was
shot six times.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
I believe so.

Speaker 11 (21:38):
I think that and this was this didn't obviously occur
on the field. It led It was something on the
field that led to this. But murder of a from
a fan, the murder of a sports figure, I don't
know how you can top that.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
Well, it didn't happen, and it happened, Yeah, it happened.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
That kind of the premise it is.

Speaker 11 (21:55):
But a fan killed a professional soccer player because of
something that happened, we think, well, yeah.

Speaker 6 (22:03):
Well there's a I mean, you talk about modern media,
there's a there is a thirty for thirty on this. Yep.
I very much recommend it. Again, I'm recommending a lot
of things. The two Escobars, and they do a parallel
between Pablo Escobar at the time and the soccer player
and it's fascinating, it will be well worth your time.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yes, it's very good.

Speaker 6 (22:23):
And the question is, you're right, Doug at the end,
we don't know why he was murdered. But if they
were yelling goal, maybe that that's a that's a giveaway.
But I didn't hear that.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
Well.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Also that the thought was it was because, correct, the
cartel had money on the game. That's what most people think.
But again we don't know. And you know, it's say,
I appreciate you your knowledge of that story that you
were what like four years old when it took place.

Speaker 5 (22:49):
Eight I appreciate him reading it off of Wikipedia.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
That's basically, that's basically what he did. What he did.
The idea is what is the most memorable. You can't
remember something that you weren't cognitive, but you don't actually
remember that.

Speaker 11 (23:02):
No, but I've read about it over the years and
it's by far the most shocking fan and sports celebrity
or sports athlete interaction.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
I gotta tell you, Like Monica sell Is getting stabbed
in the back during a during an event.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
I think mine was great. She survived. This guy didn't. Well,
I say stupid stuff.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Now that's yeah, Yeah, we're good. Uh yeah, I mean
it didn't occur in the sport, in the sporting event,
in the in the forum of sports. It no, you
don't actually remember it outside of that. You nail it,
Thanks Tolly Nail.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
It nailed this. It shows the levels though, I mean
like it does. Like Bartman was publicly shamed the Pistons,
fans were beat up by players. This was a stabbing
of a player, like this is I mean, it's just
it's it's crazy, it truly is. There was there were

(23:59):
other is that we could have put into the mix,
Like I'll never forget the fan giving the Russell Westbrook
the double bird. But like that image because I think
it's a social media thing resonates. These other instances are
much bigger, have been much bigger, Broader coverage is stroke
than than something like that.

Speaker 6 (24:20):
But remember Bradley Beal. I think it was Bradley Beal's
story when he was with Washington. How I guess some
guys said you cost me five thousand dollars and started
a MFM. I think that that's just gonna be one
of many stories. Ultimately, gambling losses leading to fan interaction

(24:42):
with players that are unfortunate.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
How gambling losses and a lane fans.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
Do you think Steve Brtman's gone to Cubs games?

Speaker 6 (24:54):
Yes, incognito.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
I'm guessing sure.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
You don't wear the turtleneck, yeah, right, his sweater and
the hat and have the He's just he looks like
every other you know. Yeah, and we're talking what is
it to twenty one years removed?

Speaker 5 (25:12):
Yes, yeah, I don't you know. That's the thing of
I don't know how it was for like run our test,
so you know, to get back onto the court to
have that feeling. But he was also the aggressor in this.
The thing with Monica sellis is I don't know how
you could go back on the court and do what

(25:36):
you had loved or what you had known to do
without that you fear being there. The fact that you
won another Grand Slam event is I mean crazy. The
fact that she went back and made a comeback in
tennis is absolutely crazy.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
But man, I have a story to tell you guys
about Monica Sels. I think I've told a couple of people.
I don't know if I told anair Monica Sell's hit
on me.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
Oh yep.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
It was at the ESPN twenty five party in New
York City, back when they had the ESPN Zone and
me and Chuck Wilson hosted a show from it. It
was amazing, like the guest list was incredible, and Chuck
went up to go to the restroom whatever, and she
came in to do a segment and we were down
a break and uh, yeah, she looked at my wedding
ring at the time and said, that's that's too bad.

(26:29):
She gave me a look and it was definitely a look.
She definitely a look. Yeah, Anica Sell Swiss Miss. There
you go.

Speaker 6 (26:37):
That's a good story.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
That's literally the only time that's ever happened to me
in my life.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
So yeah, it hasn't happened to me ever.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Time one time. I mean, yeah, I don't know, Swiss Miss.

Speaker 6 (26:48):
I caught Andrea Kramer given Buyer the Eyes on Radio
Road two years ago.

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Speaker 7 (27:12):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
So he talked a little bit about it before the break.

Speaker 7 (27:18):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Major League Baseball had those two fans banned tonight with
with refunds. Why they refund their money? Sorry dude, sorry,
come back to Connecticut. Here's Mickey Mooky Betts after the
game talking about the incident with the Yankees fan fly
to right by Torres Bets in the corner. Does he

(27:39):
have room fights.

Speaker 8 (27:40):
With a fan and they're gonna say that it's out
and fan interference?

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yeah, fan interference. It wasn't fan interference though, Like it
wasn't the what was the guy's named the kid named
Jeffrey Mayer, right, Jeffrey Mayer in that Oriole series. That
was a game changer, that that changed the rules of baseball.
We saw the Dodger fan reach what would have been
over the proverbial line, and what should have been a
double end up being called a double. But this one,

(28:13):
like once if like MOOKI goes after the ball, you
get out of the way and then he tries to
rip the ball out of his hands, not surprised at all,
and I just we have reached a place and I'm
not old man, get off my lawn, okay, but we
haven't reached a place where we have honestly, like we're

(28:34):
just as responsible for it. In in in Sports radio.
Our radio show doesn't do it. Fox Sports Radio. I
don't think Buying Large does it. But whether it's local
radio guy or some of these other entities, you know,
it's I say, it's like the barstoolization of sports, like
the barstool guys, Pig Cat's good dude, you know, uh

(28:55):
uh with PFT commentators give those a good guy like
those are good guys. But it's a little bit like
something else we're saying, where it's the people that you
welcome in to just being complete dbs, if you know
what I mean, and just do whatever you want just
because you want to do it. Like no, there's a

(29:16):
certain way in which as a fan, you don't have
the right to throw bottles on people. You don't have
the right to rip the ball out of a guy's hands.
No one came to see you. You're not some great
Yankee fan because you're doing the Yankees a service. You
just look like a clown. It's no more or less
clownish than people get in these fistfights at NFL games

(29:40):
or college football like most of the NFL games, you know,
and this is every got time you've been to the
Yankee stadium. Look, it's not a one to one ratio.
It's probably a three to one of good solid fans too.
But dude, there's definitely some some guys there that take
it all little too seriously. My guess is that guy's

(30:03):
also a Knicks fan, a Ranger fan, a Syracuse fan,
and a Jet fan. That's my guess. What do you think, Bayer?
Did I nail itail?

Speaker 5 (30:15):
You probably nailed it on the teams and the fandoms.
The thing that I just really can't get past, aside
from the guy trying to rip the ball out, was
his buddy who grabbed Mookie Betts's arm like it's one
thing to try to rip the ball out of a glove,
which is absurd. I completely agree with you. The other

(30:37):
guy with him physically grabs his wrist could have caused
injury in either of those scenarios. But the second guy,
to me, is much worse. And to your point about
how this is being glorified. ESPN does this piece on
finding the fan and he's smiling and he's with his
five buddies, and how in the the world is this okay?

(31:02):
All of the instances that you mentioned, the Dodgers fan
Jeffrey Mayer, they were going for the ball. None of
them made physical contact that was meant to make physical
contact with any of those players. And it's just crazy
to me that this is just man. Remember in that
Yankee game. This absolutely crossed the line last night.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
I agree.

Speaker 6 (31:24):
Is this a reason? Aren't they broadcasters and the broadcast
told to never show streakers, never show fans running on
the field and getting tackled because and I think the
reason the essence for that is they don't want to
show fans that if they do this, they're going to
get attention. So the way the broadcasts handled those guys

(31:47):
last night, the way ESPN handled them today, and then
the Yankees' first inclination was to allow them back into
the game. They only banned them from tonight's game at
thet made Juleague Baseball's behest so the Yankees more or
less signed off on it too. But isn't this just
going to show fans that you can get your fifteen

(32:09):
minutes of fame as well if you have touch players.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (32:14):
Yes, And this wasn't just touching a player like I had.
I had a real problem with just the aggression that
these two guys showed where you're taking someone's hand excuse me,
taking someone's hand and ripping it open to take the
ball away. I just I found it to be a violation.
I was really disgusted by it.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah, Austin Capo Bianco, he said a story. He told
the ESPN, if it's in our ear, we're going to
d up.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
Yeah, dude, we're patrolling. We patrol these decks, like dude.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Hey Austin, Hey, Austin, Dude, you couldn't get on a field.
You couldn't get on a field, period. Shut up. You
sound like the dumbest idiot that is known to mankind.
And there's plenty of idiots that are there. You're the
guy that everybody makes fun of when they talk about
the New York fan. You're the guy that called in
the mic, and you we need to get rid of.

(33:05):
We need to get rid of everybody. Everybody. When they
lost games one through three, A, you're that guy. A,
you're that guy. You're that guy. And again like the
Yankees not doing something about it. I'll give you again.
I shared with this with you guys for the last
week and a half. I went to the Texans Packers game.

(33:30):
Now the difference in that one, Joe Mixon tried to
do the Lambeau leap because they were a Texan fan
right there, and then he got blocked and somebody dumped
a beer and they actually took the guy out who
dumped the beer on him. Now he snuck back in,
he was back in his seat. But my thing there
was like I actually didn't mind. First of all, it's
a beer, Like, come on, man, it's not It was
a hot, warm day getting a deer beer dumped to

(33:51):
his other and he was going into the stands with
there was no football action for it, right, he was
just going to stance to celebrate, And like, dude, Joe,
what are you doing? I know you people have done
the Lambeau leap as visitors, but this is not not
a smart move. But if there's a ball near this,
if you're going for a football or you're going for
a baseball, like that's the sport. You're a just a fan.

(34:14):
You're a fan. You don't matter. Sorry, this is this
is the I And again I I I know Jason,
you love your Dodgers. This is what real athletes think
of guys that say we like we And did you
come ever practice you come every game right, Like, no,

(34:34):
you're saying we you're not a member of the Yankees.
You're a Yankee fan. You paid for your jersey, which
is not yours. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (34:48):
If the Yankees make history and they come all the
way back from being down three to zero.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Here's this got to be celebrated.

Speaker 6 (34:54):
Yes, it all changed when these guys attack Mookie Betts
and they're gonna celebrate it and glorified it and again
and bolden other fans in other sports due to the
exact same thing.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
It's gross. It is the Doug Gotlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. And as the Major League Baseball season
continues on, like could have had our last game last
night instead could be tonight. Let's welcome in from Turner
Sports Jeff Frank Corr. Of course, longtime Major League Baseball
off there are twelve years in the Biggs course. He's
here on behalf of Pure Athlete. They're helping families navigate

(35:26):
the world of youth sports. Follow them at Pure Athlete Inc.
On Instagram and check out Pure Athlete podcast. And before
we get to just last night, what's your reaction to
the Dodgers kind of overall dominance in this series.

Speaker 10 (35:44):
Let me tell you, Duff. First of all, thanks for
having me on. You know, I've called what nineteen twenty
one the playoffs for the Dodger and I've always felt
like it's a team that obviously was full of superstars,
but they were more Hollywood. I always felt like watching
them like it like let's grind it out. And I
was telling someone last week, man, watching this Dodger team,

(36:05):
this is a gritty team, Like this is what you want,
right like Otani running with his arms, sitting here up
on the thing. Freddie has been hurt, Tommy Edmund, you
talk about a gamer man like, this is a completely
different Dodgers team then we're used to. And and it
has been so fun to watch their discipline. It's like
great defense, they hit and you know, Doc's doing an

(36:29):
unbelievable job. It's it's been incredible to watch.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Okay, I mean, speaking of Atlanta, I mean, how do
you how do you explain? First of all, why do
they keep coming inside to Freddie? Like why how many
times are they gonna come into Freddie? I thought the
worst one was was Game one, Like you bringing a
guy who hasn't pitched for a month. Fine, but lefty
lefty matchups, why wouldn't everything be breaking away from him?
Like that's the whole idea of a lefty lefty matchup.

(36:55):
I don't even I don't know. I definitely don't understand
the pitch selection, let alone the location.

Speaker 10 (37:00):
But that's a great thing. That's what makes Freddy so
good is his ability to go the other way. But
his ability to pull the hands. And if you start
trying to show that you're going to beat him in
the does just pull his hands and likely seeing he's
gone it the last two nights in the Yankee Stadium,
and he's such a smart hitter that he's got the
ability to do that. He's talented enough. You know, it's
first of bat that night, you know, or one of

(37:23):
the first few at bats of that game. On he
shot a triple down the left field line, like just
inside out. So he's so tough to pitch and I
think it's just funny. You know, Freddy's been injured a lot, man,
I know he hasn't had the usual Freddie Freeman year,
and I think this is I think this is his
way to remind everybody that I'm still pretty good.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, No, he's he's still really, really, really really good.
You know, last night it did feel like the Dodgers
kind of waved the white flag. But I guess the
question becomes, does this create momentum for the Yankees.

Speaker 10 (37:58):
I don't think so. I've led so hard, man. I've
been listening to all the stations today all over the place,
and I was so glad to get to talk to
you to just express look, at the end of the day,
the Dodgers and all intense purposes. I'm not taking anything
away from the Yankees, but those guys hit it all.
Three of the lowest leverage guys the Dodgers have, and

(38:19):
you know, the only way Dave was going for the
kill shot last night was that they got to the fifth,
sixth inning and they had to lead otherwise. This was
the game plan from day one, the whole time, And
so I looked at it as more of like, you
know what, man, they they they threw all their low
leverage You can say what you want. People were making
the deal that Luke Weaver, you know, is didn't get

(38:41):
thrown any more than he had to do. He's still
throwing two days in a row for an inning and
third yesterday, like the Yankees. Their way to win the
night is they have to have Garrett cole go seven
plus innings and only use Tommy Kinley and Phil and
Luke Weaver like that. That is their way to win.
And the Dodgers, on the other hand, have so many

(39:02):
more ways. Like people are talking about Jack Flarry. Let
me tell you Jack Flair, to gives him four innings,
he can go to Graderol, go to Brazier, go to
trying and like Bessie, he's got a loaded end. So,
I mean, it's gonna be tough seletting for the Yankee tonight.
But you know the way I look at it, those
bottom tight hitters on the Yankees, they have not hit

(39:23):
the good elite pitching for the Dodgers yet. Who did
they hit it off last night? Again the low leverage guy.
So someone in that lineup's gonna have to hit off
one of the real good guys. And I mean I again,
I still look at it like Dave was only going
for the kill shot if it lined up, and Boltie
kind of ruined that.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
What's going on with Judge?

Speaker 10 (39:44):
You know what, man, he's full happy. I mean, I
mean it truly is. I know it's hard to say,
but he is swinging and stuff that we never see
him swing at. You know, I can't. I did at
least ten of the Yankees Tuesday night games this year,
and the pitches he swinging now he would take, he'd
take and he'd get a two will count, a three
one count, he take his walk. And I think, like anything,
when you hear time after time, you haven't been able

(40:06):
to get the job done. You haven't done this. I
just think he's trying, and he's swinging outside the zone.
He's swinging in pitches that he usually doesn't and that's
not Aaron judge. But I don't care how good you are,
how how many MVPs you got, you're not immune to
criticism and the ability to feel like I got to
come through. And I think it's you're seeing a superstar,

(40:27):
you know, stress, uh.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Show hey, show, Hey, We don't obviously what twenty five
at bats since hitting home run and now you have
the shoulder at least to blame. But how viable do
you think he is tonight? And if this thing goes forward?

Speaker 10 (40:44):
Fact the matter is I heard Dave Roberts say it
the other day when they're asking during the game about
show Hey in game three, and it's like fifty percent
of show Hey's better than one hundred percent of someone else.
And I remember Bobby Cox used to tell me that
with Chipper Jones all the time, like just go stand there,
you're gonna walk for And I believe that, Like if
Otani goes up there tonight, he's gonna just walk twice
if he doesn't swing. And look what happened in game

(41:06):
in game three and four. You know, he got on
base and Freddie Freeman hit the home run, and so
you know, look he's not healthy. He's drinding it out.
But again that's a difference in this Dodgers team. Man,
that's been fun to watch is the guys written it out.
They're playing hard, they're playing hurd And that's not what
I've seen in the past from the Dodgers, but what

(41:28):
I've seen this year.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Stug Ott Leave show here on Fox Sports Radio, what
was the impetus behind you? You're getting involved to your
athlete again.

Speaker 10 (41:40):
I got four kids and the ability to help families
utilize and really make great memories and understand the process
of what this is. And the cool thing for us is,
you know, we had a good talk last time, But
like we're kind of getting to where you're dividing it
into like the developmental stage right where you're through ten

(42:01):
to eleven years old, then kind of more serious in
the middle school, and then of course like an all
end stage when you get to high school. If you
want to come play college, if you want to try
to get drafted, if you want that. You know, we're
trying to give parents to balance to do that. You
know a lot of parents tell me the same thing.
I got four kids. You can't go all in on
one kid and not give your other three kids a chance.

(42:21):
And so how do you balance that? How do you
balance home life? How do you balance having a life
going to the pool, hanging with your buddies, and how
do you balance when it's time to push your kid
to really let them realize their potential. And I think,
you know, so many athletes, so many things we've done,
we're learning along the way. But I just think it's
something that needs to be talked about because you sports

(42:41):
have gotten crazy, and it's the dynamic of it. I
think it's just giving parents an outlet, a lane to
kind of come and listen to stuff.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
You know, it's really interesting being on this side of it, Jeff,
is that we got a commitment from a player earlier
this week, and I know he's a higher level than
where he's been recruited at outside of US, and I
believe that the reason he wasn't as highly recruited as

(43:10):
others at a similar skill level was he's actually loyal
to his AU program, playing the same AU program. He
didn't he didn't go to a shoe program. They really
never left the state, and so, uh, it's great for us,
but I definitely think we would have had to fight
out a lot of other big ones. And it's like
it almost kind of I guess, sort of punished as
a kid, although I think regardless of the size, like

(43:31):
he's a perfect fit for what we want. But it's interesting, right,
it's like do it do I leave my boys behind?
Do I not? How much should I be spending? I
mean that the cost is just obscene and at some
point also that there's a there's a realness to where
you need want to grab a parent and go like, look,
I don't care how much you spend on him, Like
he ain't a player. You know, you can have fifteen

(43:52):
trainers and a psychologist and a strength and nutritionist and whatever,
like he just ain't good enough. It's that would be
interesting if you guys had a reality coach, like, hey,
just listen, Johnny's good at a lot of things in life.
Baseball's not way.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Man.

Speaker 10 (44:08):
I'm having a parent meeting with my softball team tonight. Man,
I coach my daughter eleven year old softball team, and
they're all sixth grade now, and I'm like, look, if
you don't throw strikes, I'm pulling you out of the game.
It's not personal, doesn't mean I don't love you. It
doesn't mean you're not going to get another opportunity. But
they're at the stage now right where it's like I
got to push them a little bit. If they're getting
ready for the high school level, I got to start

(44:28):
to push a little bit. Does it mean it's like
you're never playing again? In their pitching? But I'm not
going to make those girls sit in the outfield and
sit in the infield while a girl walks six seven,
seven batters. Two years ago, we had more leeway for it, right,
you had more road for it. But have they developed
it goes and like you said, this person that you
have coming, you know what, maybe they could have been
more highly recruited. But at the same time, you know what,

(44:51):
if he continues to do what he does, whether it's
the whole time at year school, whatever happens at the
end of the day, if you're good enough, you know
as well as I do. Those pro scouts they don't
miss They're not going to miss talent, and he will
have every opportunity. And so you know what, but he
got to play with his buddies, man, And like I
did that, I was not highly highly thought of in

(45:12):
Baseball America until going into my senior year when I
played with Team USA because I went to Cuba for
three weeks. I raked and I did this, and I
came home and I was the sixth best player in
the country. If you go look my junior year, Man,
I wasn't on the top one hundred list because I
didn't go to any of these any of these showcases.
But I knew eventually, man, I was going to get

(45:33):
my shot. And when I did, I knew that I
would ball out. And that's what my dad always told me.
He's like, you played with your buddies. And then going
into your senior year, we said, you know what, it's
time to go all in. And so we went to
Missouri for the USA Trials and I went and did this,
and I just think kids now try to go all
in too soon, and that's where I think it gets dangerous.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah. No, I'm with this. It's a great service that
you're providing for so many. We'll see how many get involved.
Remember it's Pure Athlete Inc. On Instagram. You can check
out the Pure Athlete podcast. He's Jeff Rankcore. You see
him on on Turner Sports and of course coaching an
eleven eleven U softball team as well. Jeff, you're the best, man.
Get up to the Bay and let's let's come see

(46:13):
a game.

Speaker 10 (46:14):
I'd love to man, I'll be up there all.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Right, No, no problem, Jeff. Yeah. By way, Jeff's uncle
is our is our golf coach, so pretty pretty cool
and a stud, stud guy.
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