November 11, 2025 • 45 mins
On a Tuesday edition of the Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug attended the Packers' loss to the Eagles on Sunday night, he shares his experience and weighs on some head-scratching coaching decisions made in that game.
Doug welcomes FSR NBA Insider Ric Bucher onto the show to get his insights on the firing of Nico Harrison by the Dallas Mavericks.
Doug and the crew share the stories that didn't make the slate on Monday during this installment of "Tuesday Morning Quarterback".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
What a Monday Night.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Football Debaca we got to cover on eleven eleven and
a lot of people make a wish that they hadn't
spent their lively savings to go to lambeau Field. We'll
get to that upcoming. What a great show for you
we have for you. And the guys are all here right,
my guy Dan Byer, Jason Stewart, Iowa, Sam, everybody's here.
(00:50):
News of the day, Nico Harrison's been fired. We'll talk
about that upcoming. But I want to get to the
game of the night, the game of the weekend, the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And Packers game.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Now full disclosure. I went to the game and you're like, wait, what,
that's a humble break. It is and it isn't because
there's a lot I don't know about because when you're
at the game, you can't, mean unless you're gonna listen
with AirPods in, you can't you know, you don't have
a commentary, So you have the commentary of all the fans,
which is good and is bad. We'll talk about a
(01:27):
lot about that in the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
But I.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Don't really even know what Nick Sirianni was doing, let
alone what the Green Bay Packers were doing in terms
of trying to win the game. At the end of
the game, I ask it because with like two and
a half minutes to go on second down, the Eagles
chose choose to throw the ball on second and third
down instead of run the football, get it to the
(01:54):
two minute warning, and then if you're gonna throw it,
do it on third down, where you know, obviously you
should run it on third down. You run on third down,
then they have to use one of their timeouts, and
then whatever happens, probably punting, which they should have done,
they didn't do. You know, then you have a limited
time and limited timeouts to get the ball back instead.
(02:18):
Instead they end up actually because of what a penalty
getting the first door, they got a first down. Actually,
no excuse me. They punt the ball to the Green
Bay Packers, who then get nothing at the offense, then
punt the ball back to the Eagles, who then do
(02:40):
it again and try and bleed out the clock. The
only reason they can't bleed out the clock is because
you're right, the Green Bay Packers have timeouts. Then the
Packers get the ball back and they get like twenty
five twenty seven seconds to go. They throw it deep
over the middle on first down into like triple coverage.
The second pass, you know, with twenty seconds ago, is
(03:01):
you know, ten fifteen yards whatever it was. The whole
thing was like, I don't want to win it, you
win it. I don't want to win it, you win it.
It was bizarre. Then you factor in how many times
it felt like the Packers were choosing to run the
football twenty one.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Carries to thirty six passing attempts.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Many of those passing attempts came late in the game
when they had to and there was an extremely conservative
game plan for the Packers. And now people start to go, hey,
Matt Lafleur, what's going on with this offense? Meanwhile, the
Eagles was Jalen Hurts good not really was Sekon Barkley dominant,
not really. But Saquon Barkley catches one ball, goes forty
(03:44):
one yards, you know, puts a DBN spin cycle. They
throw it to DeVante's Davante Smith in the end zone
for what you know, for a touchdown. And that was
really the limit to the explosive plays in the entire game.
The Eagles won the way the Eagles always win, which
whi ugly. We don't got to win pretty, We'll win ugly.
And the Packers couldn't figure out their offense while trying
(04:08):
to protect their quarterback and work through not having Tucker
Craft as the safety blanket to Jordan Love. But all
of that just weird decisions by the coaching stabs, or
maybe it was by Jalen Hurts, because with two twenty
five to go when he threw the ball out of bounds,
it did look like an RBO and maybe he missread it.
(04:31):
Maybe he should have handed the ball to Saquon Barkley. Barkley, Barkley, byer,
do you have any idea what heck was going on
with that play calling late by either side?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I mean, considering on how poorly Green Bay did on
offense last night. It didn't make much sense for the
Eagles to put the ball in the air in that situation.
Just I mean, you got the first down with Saquon
Barkley to get into Packers' territory. Worst case scenario, you
(05:02):
punt it away and they're back deep with no timeouts
or a way to use most of their timeouts. So no,
it didn't It didn't make much sense at all. I
understand the aggressive nature of it, but it's also it's
not like this game was like the Bengals and Bears
a couple of weeks ago, where you're like, we just
got to keep the ball because we can't let them
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have it.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Well, it's also just the math of it, right, just
giving less opportunities, you know, and again you give the
I'll give you an example in our game, and for
people who don't know, we played a game at eleven AM,
played a kid's day game and got our first win
the season. But at the end of the first half,
my point guard was like, hey, coach, I can you
(05:47):
know they're the free throw liners? Twenty six seconds ago
the first half He's like, can I push if I
get a layup? I say, you can get a dead layup,
take it, take it. But if not dribble that thing out,
let's run, let's play for one. So he drives in there,
gets a dead layup, but he takes a kind of
a weird shot and they defend it. He misses, they
come down, they miss a shot. We go in with
(06:08):
a small lead at that And the point was I
try to teach him day is here's the reason that
even if maybe if you have a dead, wide open layup,
but otherwise you don't, it's just because of the It's
about number of possessions. If you hold for the last shot,
they cannot will not get another possession. They cannot will
not score another point. But even if you score, if
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you give them opportunity one, we can accrue a foul
or two, they can still score. And they can score
three versus R two if we get a layup. Technically
I'd take a layup as a ninety five plus percent shot.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Otherwise I would not.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So it's the same thing with the with the Eagles, like, yes, yes,
you're totally right. The Packers did not have offense the
entire game. Why should they be scared of running down
the clock. As much as you want punt them, pin
them deep and then say hey, if you're gonna beat
us or get to a field goal, knock yourselves out.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Let's see we But.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Again, all of that still could have been true, only
with less time on the clock. Right, there's two twenty
five to go. If you run the football and you
get tackled the line of scrimmage, it goes to the
two minute warning. Packers still have three timeouts. If you
run the football again, Packers have to call another timeout.
So now they'll get the ball back with one fifty five.
If you don't get the first down, there's no reason
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to think they would get the first down anyway, or
wouldn't get the first down anyway.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And they're a running team, it's what they do.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So they would have had only two timeouts and how
much time to get back. So again, it it made
no sense to me none. Here's Nick Sirianni after the
game explaining it.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I think we were It was into the wind on
that one. I knew the kick would had to be
a little bit lower traractory of a kick on that
On that particular one, I got a lot of faith
in our offense. It didn't work out on this one,
you know, you know, we we just didn't. We just
didn't get it. But the decision I stand put on
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that decision, you know, especially being up three, because you
go up six, they're still going to need a touchdown
in hell Mary everything like that. So we would ended
the game if we would have got that, and then
got a lot of faith in our guys to be
able to do that. But the reason I didn't kick
the field goal again being up three and also just
this trajectory into the wind there on that particular one.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Okay, so here I think he's talking about the last
possession at the next to last possession, which is what
I'm talking about. Nonetheless, he actually is contradicting himself while
talking about it. Here's what I mean, Dan one. Yes,
so if you get stopped there, they're like two complete
passes away from being in field goal range. And he
(08:48):
just admitted that the Green Bay Packers had the wind
at their back. Get his explanation makes no sense at
all none. Having the wind in your face on a
punt is actually a good thing when you're trying to
pin somebody back right, because it means that the wind
will keep the ball from going into the end zone.
(09:08):
Theoretically percentage time wise, So the idea like, I never
thought about punting my offensive. I'm not saying your offense
you can go forward on fourth down. That didn't make
any sense either. Why don't you punt with however many
seconds ago? There's like forty seconds ago? Why would you punt?
Why would you let them? I mean, if the Packers
would have kept the backup field goal kicker instead of
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shot set of McManus, who clearly can't kick the ball
sixty five yards in the air, they would have a shot.
And the over reason they had a shot was because
you stubbornly refused to punt. So just because it worked
out does not make it the right decision. Sirianni made
two awful decisions next to the last possession, throwing it
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on third, second and third down and last possession, just
punt the ball on fourth, punt the ball on fourth.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
They have no timeouts.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
They would have had I don't know, twenty or so
seconds left to go make a play because they didn't punch.
So they got the ball with twenty five seconds ago.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Right, Well, so what yeah, yeah, it was because the
first part of the timeouts was on the other side
of the two minute warning, where they then did end
up punting it to Green Bay, and so then green
Bay ended up having the fumble on the fourth down
play that stalled their drive, and then when they got
(10:30):
the football back, green Bay still had the two timeouts,
and green Bay used the timeouts. It was then on
the fourth down where they just threw it up to
A J. Brown, where you should have just I don't
care if you're at the thirty five yard line, just
punt it out of the end zone, just booming as
far as you can.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
No, you can try and kill him in the corner.
You know, you get to wear your face try and
kill them in the corner. Yeah, it's it still uses
up the exact same amount of time as they came
bought about. You didn't make any sense at all.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I think you're arguing in the way of nobody punts
from the thirty five yard line anymore. So to be
able to do that is I actually think it's trickier
for a punter to be able to try to put one,
because it's just you don't give him any room. But
that doesn't negate the point that I would much rather
have green Bay start at their own twenty yard line,
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correct then start from their own thirty five yard line
and be able to at least get in position to
throw up a hail mary.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Right. So here's we're making the same point in a
different way. Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Regardless of whether or not he punted it into the
end zone or try to do coffin corner, they weren't
going for the first down. They were trying to use clock,
and by throwing the ball out of bounds you accomplished nothing. Essentially,
took a knee and hand the ball to them and
ran four or five seconds off the clock. You could
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run four or five seconds off the clock and punted
it out of bounds or coffin corner, whichever way you want,
and they would have had and they would have had,
you know, at a minimum eighty yards to go to
get a touchdown and forty yards to go to get
a field goal. Either way, he made the wrong decision.
He didn't make the wrong ye You're like, well, they
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won the game. That doesn't make it the right decision.
It's process over result. And he gave the Packers again,
the Packers, if they complete one more pass, then they're
in well within field goal range, and there's a lot
of kickers in the NFL that can kick a sixty
five yard field goal right now, mcmannus is not one
of them.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Well, he's also not one of them when it's twenty
degrees and the football is a rock like like, that's
got it. He got a warm up when he wasn't
supposed to. Was short yep. Then Green Bay runs their
play to try to get a couple of yards, which
really wasn't close because Love just airmailed it to take
more time off the clock, which no.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
They had.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
The Eagles had two defensive backs right there on the sideline.
They had one on each side, so you couldn't run
little like three yard out, you know, just throw it
out of bounds. So what happened was he looked up
and looked and saw those guys there, so he just
aired Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
No, I'm aware of all that. It's just the point
of they had the kicking unit out on the field, yes, yes,
and then they pulled them back off on the fourth
down play to say, hey, let's get a couple of
more yards in that scenario, didn't get it, and then
brought the field goal team back out on the field.
Just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Like, you just showed
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that he couldn't make a sixty five yarder when there
was nobody rushing. Why in the world would you think
that he could make one on the second try. So
I would have just thrown one up as a hail
Mary at the end. If you're Matt Lafleur, sure you
don't get the completion on the out route, but why
are you putting your field goal unit back out on
the field for an attempt that the second attempt was horrendous.
(13:55):
It's like when you learn Madden and then they've changed
the kicking style for the first time and you have
no idea.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
That's a good reference, that's a good pull.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
It was awful.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, it's a good pull.
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Speaker 2 (15:14):
Why was Nico Harrison fired?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
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Speaker 2 (15:22):
Uh, let's welcome in.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
He's got a new podcast with.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
With Brendan Huh.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I'm sorry with uh go ahead, go ahead you Yeah,
I know, Brendon. I just I heard you talking, and
I didn't know if I missed the name of the
podcast because I do actually uh see the clips and
listen to it. He's Rick Buker, a longtime Fox Sports
Radio NBA Insidery joins in the Doug Gottlieb Show on
(15:50):
Fox Sports Radio. Rick, why now why fire Nico Harrison?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Now?
Speaker 8 (15:57):
Oh? Because the fans had gotten to a point where
they it had become a major distraction, and Patrick Dumont,
the DuMond wanted to be able to the owner, wanted
to be able to go attend games, and that was
going to become increasingly difficult because they were going to
look at him and be waiting for him to fire
(16:19):
an Eco. So I just feel like we always get
we always get mad at the wrong person. You know,
at the beginning of last year what led to the trade,
Luca Dosis comes back and he's not in shape and
he gets injured again. Everybody people weren't mad at him.
(16:40):
They were mad even then already at Jason Kidd and
the MAVs in general. And then they make the move
and this is obviously Patrick Damon is looking at the
ownership is looking at it saying we don't want to
pony up three hundred and sixty five million for a
guy who seems to be constantly hurt on our watch.
(17:02):
And so Nico goes and makes the deal, and uh,
and now we're mad. We're mad at Nico and and okay,
so we fired Nico. How does that solve the situation.
I know that the fans feel some satisfaction in seeing
him hung out, but I just this to me is
(17:23):
the danger when you're running a team by crowdsource.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
And well, it's it's the old it's the old Jerry Sloan.
If you listen to fans, soon you become one of them, right, yeah, yeah,
And this.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
Is and this is a naive fan who happens to
be running the team. Because look was it was it
a questionable move on the part of the Mavericks too
to move Luka Dancic for what they got. Absolutely, absolutely,
if you're going to move him, try to get try
(17:58):
to get more. But they were also under you know,
from everything I know, it was it was owner mandate
to we're not paying three hundred and sixty five million dollars,
see what you can get, and if you're gonna do
that in short order, and you're gonna be able to
try to pitch them on the idea that that you're
gonna still have some championship possibilities rather than rebuilding. Then
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the move that they made, I don't know if there's
an appreciably better one that could have been made. You know,
the biggest problem that I have is if you're going
to make this move, if you're if you're if you're
gonna allow Nico Harrison or push Nico Harrison to trade
Luka Doncich, you don't eleven games into this season, then say, oh,
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that was a mistake. You know, you're you're gonna pay
with your job. They haven't had their complete team, and
if we're eleven games into the season, it just feels
like one naive decision after another by a naive ownership.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I couldn't agree with you more. You know, there's no
way that trade gets made without ownership. It was just
signing off on it, but pushing for it, and then
they just they don't have the fortitude to a standard
when you don't even have your team. Kyrie's not back
till till spring. You know, Anthony Davis has n't been healthy,
and Cooper Cooper flag just started playing NBA basketball and
(19:25):
he's playing point guard, which is not his position.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Right It's it all happened in time.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
But they're experimenting right now. I mean they're they're spitballing
because they do They're they're injured, they don't have their
best players, and so how did you think this is
going to go? And look, the optics are terrible because
of what Luca is doing. But Luca, like I said
it at the time, I thought, you know, Luca may
never get into the shape that he's in right now
(19:51):
if if he's not traded, if he wasn't shamed into
and you have to approach things different. And as as
I've had people tell me, it's it's like he's in
shape now, he's been in shape before. Can he sustain
this through the season? And maybe even more important, can
you with the usage rate and the amount of everything
going through him? Are you going to be any closer
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to a championship with Luca in LA than what you
have in Dallas. That still remains to be seen, and
that story still, like at the moment, looks horrible eleven
games in, but eleven games in is meaningless in the
(20:34):
big picture in terms of whether this actually this deal
actually was the right move to make or not, or
who ends up winning the deal, no question.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
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Lebron James PLAYNBA basketball?
Speaker 8 (20:52):
When when the opportunity to look good coming in and
it looks like the Lakers need him, I would say
that is it. I don't know that he's in any
rush to play or get back, because with his age,
he has one he has one thing in mind. Can
I can I get another ring? Is there another way
to win another? Another ring? And for him, the more
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he can make this like the bubble year where he's
not playing a full season, he can ramp up at
the right time and then make a run. I think
that's why he's He's observing things the way that he is,
which is, how's the team doing? Are we in contention?
Are we in a good place? And when when's the
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time right for me to come in? Where I can
I can find my game, I can find my rhythm.
Even when regardless of when he comes back, I woulde
I would imagine that he's going to be in and
out over the course of the season, trying to get
himself in prime position to be a factor in the postseason.
At this point, I don't really blame him for that,
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But the only part that I don't get is that
he is as stoic as he is at the end
of the bench like he's he seems to be so disengaged,
and I that just seems curious to me because that's
not the way he's been in the past. When he's
been out, he's been far more engaged, and so it
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raises questions about what's what's inspiring that.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yes, I would I would tend to I would love
to know what the answer to that is. He would
love to know.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
I mean, there's a reason. Let's face it, anything that
Lebron does is not happenstance, whatever it is calculated. There
is a reason for what he's doing. He knows the
cameras are on him, uh, he knows that we're paying
attention to everything that he does. So when he does
something this obvious, there's a reason behind it, and I
(22:56):
wish I could tell you what it is, too. I don't.
I don't to leap to conclusions. There's there's a lot
of a lot of places you could go to fill
the vacuum, and uh, I just but I don't want
to do that because most of most of them put
Lebron in a negative light, and I don't know that
it's fair to jump to that conclusion.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Sammy, have you heard this before? But Joel Embiid is
ruled out for tonight's game. I know it's it's a stunner.
It's really surprising. Yeah, yeah, uh Philadelphia and ride this
thing out.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Are they going to try and move him?
Speaker 8 (23:29):
Well, I think they would.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
I think they would consider moving him for sure, But
I also don't think that there's anything out there that
is going to make it worthwhile. I would expect that
it's let's hang on. Let's again. He's almost in the
Lebron situation and a position in terms of we can
(23:52):
if we can win with these guards and we can
bring back Embiid or a beat em beads available at
the right time. The big adjustment is going to be
on his part. You're going to be and again, much
like Lebron, we got we got new sheriffs in town,
we have a new nucleus, and you are more a
(24:13):
complimentary player, still valuable still valuable, but you're a complimentary player,
like this is our this is what we're building our
team around. And if he's willing to adjust to that,
then I would say, you know what, keep him. I
don't know that you're going to get anything back. It's
it's more valuable and or more useful. And I would
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say the same thing with Lebron, which again goes back
kind of back to the like his disengagement. It's like,
if he handles this the right way, then you know what,
you could end up making a nice run being part
of something that at this point you shouldn't be part of.
And but it's all a matter of can they supplement
(24:56):
their egos for the greater good? And I with either
one of them, I don't know if they're willing to
do that.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
No.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I definitely with Lebron, we just does as not nothing
he's done makes you feel as though that's the case.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Right was the case?
Speaker 8 (25:12):
I would I would tend to agree.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Rick Buker's our guest here on the Doug Outlet Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Buke let me let me ask
you about about Steph Curry and the Warriors. Again, we
don't we pay attention for a couple first couple of
games and then nothing else Where Are they in that
high hierarchy in the.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
West, Uh, pretty much where they were they've been for
the last few years. And I know the run that
they made with Jimmy at the end of the year.
But uh, this is look, they've they've aged out. That's
just the reality of it. They they could if they
(25:53):
can get to the playoffs, they could be an interesting
team much like they were last year. They could potentially
win around the counting on who they see. But the
but the truth of it is that small ball has expired.
It's more tall ball in terms of teams are playing
still playing fast, but they now have They don't have
(26:16):
six six Draymond Greens as that point forward. They got
they got sixty eight sixty nine guys that are doing it.
And they've got seven footers who can protect the rim
and space the floor. Uh So, and the talent that
they have is just is deeper than what the Warriors have.
It's it is I mean, it's just cyclical. This is
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what the league is built on, which is you can
only stay at the top so long. To stay there,
you have to pay your guys and then your guys
get older, your core and you're the hamstrung as far
as your ability to put talent around them, and so
you just hit a certain limit. And you look across
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the board at the teams that are out there, and
the stars that they're competing against are all in their prime.
Every every every team, I mean Luka Doncis even Luka
Donsich in his prime, Nikola Jokic in his prime, Shay Gildess,
Alexander you know, still maybe coming into his prime. Look
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across the board and all of Houston Rockets, I'm Alpha
and Sengoon in that group. Like, there's just too many
teams that are that are in their prime. They can play,
they're not phased at all by the way that the
Warriors play. And meanwhile, the Warriors are an older team
that just doesn't have the requisite collective talent to compete
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with the rest of the West at the top.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Stett Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Trio. That's the one
and only Rick Buker. He's awesome. Oh I'm sorry, go
ahead there, Jay su Ju has something for you, Rick.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Rick, You're pot cast is called on the Ball with
Rick Baker.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
There is I'm actually doing a couple of them. Now
on the Ball with Rick Buker is my solo podcast,
Finding the Seams is that's a friend in Haywood. And
then I'm doing an international basketball podcast with Boston Knockbar.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Wow, look at all these humber Braggs, multiple languages, multiple podcasts.
But I did want to focus on your podcast called
on the Ball because Doug's Dougs pod All Ball on
the Scene.
Speaker 8 (28:30):
Yeah, I know, I know. Well Doug didn't check with
me before he came up with his.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Collaborate You guys could do a collaboration.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Well, we have actually discussed it. We have actually discussed.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
But it should be called all on the ball, which
which sounds like a drill, like like when.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I like on the ball on the seams. I'm a
big seams guy.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, but because because the best of the best can
pass the ball, so you catch it on the seams
and there's like very few people on earth they can
do that.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
But Doug, isn't there a drill when you do practice,
you throw the ball out and you want your players
to dive on the loose balls. All on the ball,
All on the ball. Let's go with.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
The let's called first on the floor, all on the ball, first.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
On the first on the Just ignore him, Rick, He
means well, but he can be he can, he can
be a lot.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
He can.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
Just wanted the bells and whistles, and I can appreciate
that exactly.
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Second out of the show, we will talk about Nico
Harrison getting fired. Our good friend Rick Bucker has got
a new podcast. He's going to join us at twenty
after the hour, plus we'll check in with all things
NBA when or will Lebron James play this year. That's
always interesting and new to me. Plus we got the press,
plus we got other stuff going on before we get
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to that.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
We like to do this every Tuesday, a way of.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Recapping things that even we in the media missed talking
about yesterday because there's just too much stuff. It's called
Tuesday Morning Quarterback, and you have.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
Tuesday till this is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Monday's can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we
didn't get to on Monday. Yes, sir, Morning Quarterback in
the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
We all look at football season from a different perspective.
Do you watch different games, different ways of watching Semer
Red Zone guys, some are locked into one game. One guys,
Dan's doing his show Tuesday Sunday afternoons.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Let's start with you, Dan, Let's let's let's let's get
the floor. You to you, Tuesday Morning Quarterback. What do
you want us to get to?
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, so I do want to get to the Seattle Seahawks,
my team with a huge showdown against the Rams coming
up on Sunday. But I want to talk about the
Most Valuable Player Award because I think that there is
an interesting conversation for the odds that we just talked
about when we did rank them bet online having and
(31:44):
this was as of this morning, Matthew Stafford your favorite
at three to one, Drake May plus three twenty five,
Jonathan Taylor plus three to fifty. Sam Donald is sitting
there right now with the sixth shortest odds at plus
eight point fifty at seventeen to two, and the Seahawks
and their record and Donald's passer rating are all reasons
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for Donald to be a candidate. But Jackson Smith and
Jigba is one hundred to one, and when Sam Donald
is only throwing it to Jackson Smith and Jigba, I
don't know how Sam Donald or anybody else could be
higher than Jackson Smith and Jigba in that conversation. If
we're having the conversation about Jonathan Taylor like we are,
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I think we need to have it about Jackson Smith
and Jigba, who is on pace to possibly break Calvin
Johnson's all time record for receiving yards in a season,
Like the two thousand yard mark for JSN is not
out of the realm of possibilities. Nineteen sixty four is
the number that Calvin Johnson set in twenty twelve. Cooper
(32:48):
Cup almost broke it a few years ago, fell just
short of it. But Doug the target number for Jackson
Smith and Jigma on the season. And this is something
that we talked about in our I Want Your Flex
podcast episode with Mike Harmon and our executive producer Ian Roddy.
I'm also plugging that podcast. Such a name drapper, Jackson
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Smith and Jigba has eighty five targets on the season.
Second most on the team is Cooper Cup with thirty five.
There is a fifty target gap between first and second
on the Seahawks. So if Sam Donald, who is basically
only throwing to Jackson Smith and Jigba, is considered an
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MVP candidate, how is JSN so far down the line
at one hundred to one? And I know the answer.
Donald's a quarterback, Jsn's a wide receiver. I understand that.
But when you have one guy who has single handedly
been your really your entire offense because they haven't been
running the football that well, that to me stands out
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like a sore thumb. He's not gonna win it, But
I mean he is the reason. If the quarterback is
throwing to just one guy. I think it should be
the guy who's catching the football and not the one
who's throwing the football.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Uh, great point. I mean Cooper we were talking about,
you know, Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup was MVP of the
Super Bowl, rightfully so, because all they did was thow
to him on the last drive against the Bengals. If
that's the case, Cooper Cup can be MVP at the
Super Bowl. Why can't Jackson Smith and jigbub be the
MVP of the league considering his team's winning and he's
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the biggest reason.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Why.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
What did you think of the way they utilized the
new player from the Saints.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Rashid Shiheid. They were up so big they really didn't
have to. He did return a couple of kicks. I
know that's going to add a different dimension, but he
really wasn't needed on Sunday because they were up so much.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
I did notice too, that Sam Donald did some real
Sam Donald things in the second half. Yes, you did,
trying to make it close.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, three turnovers, fumble, two interceptions, one of the excuse me,
two fumbles, one interception. The interception was the ricochet off
the helmet second time. That's happened this season. Fumbled snap
inside your own five yard line that doesn't help, and
there was a strip sack. Josh Sweat was able to
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strip Donald of the football, and something that has happened
to Donald multiple times this year. I'm going to continue
to harp on the Seahawks turning over the football, kind
of like Jason does with the Dodgers. Even though everything
looks good, there are still problems. So if the Seahwks
lose on Sunday, it's very likely going to be because
of bad turnovers.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Uh okay, there, I'll take one again. And we haven't.
I don't think we've discussed I know Sam's, I don't
know yours. Jase two.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Group text. I started the group text with my subject.
Sam belatedly contributed as you and Dan ignored it.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Well, there's your oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what
you want. That's not what I want to do.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I want to be sorry that I just have to.
I didn't ignore it because you sent me a specific
single text to ask about what my what my thing was?
So I gave you a topic and I did give
you an answer.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I just this is way too.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Don't paint me as the Scofflaw, who did not follow
up on the group text. Please don't all right, Doug,
the floor is yours.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I just this is me going, hey, Rob Parker is
having a really tough time because he's always called Matt
Stafford stat Padford.
Speaker 8 (36:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Isn't that what he calls him?
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Am I right? Sam?
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Stat Padford?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Matt Stafford is nasty and he's having an unbelievable year
that I'm guessing that. Hm, I'm guessing Dan. You know
the stats because that's your how your brain works. J
stew Any idea of what his touchdown and interception ratio.
Speaker 6 (37:03):
Is, no idea. I just thirteen in the last four week.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Twenty five touchdowns, two interceptions all season twenty five and two.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
And here's the guy pretty good.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, here's a guy who remember was it last year?
A year before they were like, eh, you know, you
might want to finish somewhere else. He went checked out
the market. Everything was about his bad back. What are
they going to do if he retires? And I mean,
Stafford's this weird quarterback that he's unbelievably talented and when
he's in a rhythm.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Holy count.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Now I will grant you Niners aren't very good right now.
And the previous game was against the Saints, but before
that it was the Jags. Whatever, But twenty five and
two over a season, twenty five and two is crazy.
He should be in any conversation of best quarterback in
the league, should be any conversation of MVP league. And
I remember this is a guy that some people thought
might retire before the season started. Matt Stafford, that's my
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Tuesday morning quarterback. Okay, let me get to Jay Stewart.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
You're up.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
I don't know about your guys' process, but whenever I
see like one of these aggregators send out these stats,
I send it to myself. I'm like, I want at
some point it might come up on the air this week.
I'm just going to send this to myself. And Doug
just handed it to me like a Wheelhouse fastball. Yeah.
Did you guys know the milestone that Matthew Stafford reached
(38:24):
on Sunday. He now has a career NFL record as
a starting quarterback of one fifteen one fifteen and one.
He reached five hundred.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
It's the most career starts that any NFL quarterback has
ever gone, reaching five hundred for the first time at
three hundred or two hundred and thirty one, pretty amazing
to me. But I want to talk about another mid quarterback,
or it was considered mid up until about eight weeks ago,
(39:02):
and now people are trying to tell us that they
always knew that he would go back to being mid.
This is Daniel Jones, Okay. Daniel Jones had a surprising
start to the season, and surprising in this regard. He
was always turnover prone. That was his thing coming in
and I think he went the first three or four
games without turning the ball over. I think I remember
(39:24):
asking janital Jeremiah, how do you coach turnovers out of quarterbacks? Well,
the last couple of weeks, if you guys have been
paying attention, he's thrown four interceptions and in the game
Overseas on Sunday, he put the ball on the rug
three times, only lost one of them, but he fumbled
three times. So if you're doing the math, I think
we're looking at seven or eight turnovers in the last
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two weeks. When will Daniel Jones start playing like Daniel Jones?
Maybe we're seeing signs of that. Jonathan Taylor making up
for a lot of Wartz. I did want to point
this out, so before the game overseas, Kyle Brant was
able to sit down with Daniel Jones, and turns out
Daniel Jones is a very boring guy, very uninteresting. In fact,
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it became a part of the conversation that Daniel Jones
is an uninteresting guy. And this is how Daniel Jones
chose to defend himself against that reputation.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Probably a part of my personality. I feel like I've
never tried to try. I don't know social media, whatever
it is, I don't. I don't share too much. But yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
I don't know. I mean, I think try to play
football and hang out with my family and friends.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Pretty pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah, Like I said, I don't. I don't do a ton.
I mean I pretty much played football and uh and
hang out.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
I play football and I hang out. Which I've held
this up for a very long time. To make it
to that level, a quarterback needs to be exceptionally gifted
in doing one thing, and they they don't necessarily do
anything else. They're not worldly, they're not sophisticated. There are
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very rare, rare exceptions to this. If you watch the
Netflix Quarterback season two, you see how boring quarterbacks are.
There were cousins and two other white guys. In fact,
the Netflix special should be called white Quarterbacks, White boring,
(41:28):
uninteresting quarterbacks. You will see how uninteresting these people are.
There's just no they're there. They are not dynamic, and
they're thinking for a reason, which I'm going to drive
the point home for the one hundredth time on these airwaves.
We cannot take Aaron Rodgers for granted. In twenty years,
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somebody's going to be like, wait a minute, A quarterback
would go on controversial podcasts and say controversial things and
said interesting things. Maybe not everyone agreed with it, but
he said things without any kind of thought for recourse,
and he had an intellectual capacity to have those conversations
with people that were well versed in very complicated matters.
(42:12):
And my answer to my grandkids are gonna be yes.
And most quarterbacks were like Daniel Jones. So I think
I didn't take away your topic? Did I say, m No?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Nope.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
But I would actually love to speak if Aaron Rodgers wants,
And I'll get into my point about Aaron Rodgers here
in a second. If he ever wants to have any
dealings with the media in like fifteen years, be like
a celebrity guest or whatever. He's gonna be like the
NFL's version of like a medicine man. He's gonna have
like long hair, he's gonna have beads on his neck,
he's gonna have more tattoos. He's gonna be talking about,
(42:47):
you know, experimental drugs. If he wants to have a
role in the future, he should embrace being the NFL's
medicine man. Right now, he's with the Steelers, and the
Steelers are slumping. They've lost three of four. And listen,
Sunday Night's game against the Chargers was surprising and he
was mostly, if not partially, the reason they lost the game.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (43:08):
And he's never been he's never been stiffer looking, and
he's never been older. Obviously, they cannot stop time. It
marches forward. But you still are in the best position
to win with him as your quarterback. So along with
Mike Tomlin giving him a vote of confidence, I'm giving
Aaron Rodgers a vote of confidence.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
I know they're in again.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
They start out four and one, they're five and four,
but they did have that win over the Colts, which
was a nice win, kind of got people off their
back for a second. I think for the rest of
the year and beyond, Aaron Rodgers should be your QB
one and stick with him and ride it out. Because
the NFL goes in waves and wins and losses.
Speaker 6 (43:43):
We know that, Dan, would that be uttered? Would that
rise to the level of a fantasy expertise on your
podcast Q one?
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Aaron Rodgers, Well, I wouldn't recommend that as advice of
him getting a QB one.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I would not either.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
Well, for the Steelers can't well yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm just saying I'm just saying that that partly the
reasons they've lost games off and on through the season,
it's been somewhat their defense, and Aaron Rodgers is played
near that. But Aaron Rodgers is tied for fifth in
the NFL and touchdown passes, so he's still slinging it around.
And again, he's not the Aaron Rodgers of fifteen years
ago now, But I'm just giving him a vote of confidence.
(44:19):
They're slumping right now, but it's not all him. Sunday night,
it was that was a surprising loss, and he played
very poorly. But he also got sacked a bunch, and
so some of it's on him, some of it's on
the line, some of it is on giving the charges credit.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
I do want to get to, was that your was
that your? Did you want a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Yes, Sirdy Bob Okay, So you had Aaron.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Rodgers, Jay Stu had uh Dana Jones, all right, I
had Matt Stafford and Buyer way back thirty minutes ago
because we all fill a bustard.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
I don't even remember, like Buyer, this was good?
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Well it was, Oh, it's Jackson Smith and Jigba right,
and how we've overlooked how dominant he's been and how
though he's not going to he should.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Get some sort of consideration for MVP.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yes, it's good Tuesday morning quarterback and yeah Fordo, well
Tuesday Tuesday.
Speaker 7 (45:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
What a Monday Night.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Football Debaca we got to cover on eleven eleven and
a lot of people make a wish that they hadn't
spent their lively savings to go to lambeau Field. We'll
get to that upcoming. What a great show for you
we have for you. And the guys are all here right,
my guy Dan Byer, Jason Stewart, Iowa, Sam, everybody's here.
(00:50):
News of the day, Nico Harrison's been fired. We'll talk
about that upcoming. But I want to get to the
game of the night, the game of the weekend, the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And Packers game.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Now full disclosure. I went to the game and you're like, wait, what,
that's a humble break. It is and it isn't because
there's a lot I don't know about because when you're
at the game, you can't, mean unless you're gonna listen
with AirPods in, you can't you know, you don't have
a commentary, So you have the commentary of all the fans,
which is good and is bad. We'll talk about a
(01:27):
lot about that in the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
But I.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Don't really even know what Nick Sirianni was doing, let
alone what the Green Bay Packers were doing in terms
of trying to win the game. At the end of
the game, I ask it because with like two and
a half minutes to go on second down, the Eagles
chose choose to throw the ball on second and third
down instead of run the football, get it to the
(01:54):
two minute warning, and then if you're gonna throw it,
do it on third down, where you know, obviously you
should run it on third down. You run on third down,
then they have to use one of their timeouts, and
then whatever happens, probably punting, which they should have done,
they didn't do. You know, then you have a limited
time and limited timeouts to get the ball back instead.
(02:18):
Instead they end up actually because of what a penalty
getting the first door, they got a first down. Actually,
no excuse me. They punt the ball to the Green
Bay Packers, who then get nothing at the offense, then
punt the ball back to the Eagles, who then do
(02:40):
it again and try and bleed out the clock. The
only reason they can't bleed out the clock is because
you're right, the Green Bay Packers have timeouts. Then the
Packers get the ball back and they get like twenty
five twenty seven seconds to go. They throw it deep
over the middle on first down into like triple coverage.
The second pass, you know, with twenty seconds ago, is
(03:01):
you know, ten fifteen yards whatever it was. The whole
thing was like, I don't want to win it, you
win it. I don't want to win it, you win it.
It was bizarre. Then you factor in how many times
it felt like the Packers were choosing to run the
football twenty one.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Carries to thirty six passing attempts.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Many of those passing attempts came late in the game
when they had to and there was an extremely conservative
game plan for the Packers. And now people start to go, hey,
Matt Lafleur, what's going on with this offense? Meanwhile, the
Eagles was Jalen Hurts good not really was Sekon Barkley dominant,
not really. But Saquon Barkley catches one ball, goes forty
(03:44):
one yards, you know, puts a DBN spin cycle. They
throw it to DeVante's Davante Smith in the end zone
for what you know, for a touchdown. And that was
really the limit to the explosive plays in the entire game.
The Eagles won the way the Eagles always win, which
whi ugly. We don't got to win pretty, We'll win ugly.
And the Packers couldn't figure out their offense while trying
(04:08):
to protect their quarterback and work through not having Tucker
Craft as the safety blanket to Jordan Love. But all
of that just weird decisions by the coaching stabs, or
maybe it was by Jalen Hurts, because with two twenty
five to go when he threw the ball out of bounds,
it did look like an RBO and maybe he missread it.
(04:31):
Maybe he should have handed the ball to Saquon Barkley. Barkley, Barkley, byer,
do you have any idea what heck was going on
with that play calling late by either side?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I mean, considering on how poorly Green Bay did on
offense last night. It didn't make much sense for the
Eagles to put the ball in the air in that situation.
Just I mean, you got the first down with Saquon
Barkley to get into Packers' territory. Worst case scenario, you
(05:02):
punt it away and they're back deep with no timeouts
or a way to use most of their timeouts. So no,
it didn't It didn't make much sense at all. I
understand the aggressive nature of it, but it's also it's
not like this game was like the Bengals and Bears
a couple of weeks ago, where you're like, we just
got to keep the ball because we can't let them
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have it.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Well, it's also just the math of it, right, just
giving less opportunities, you know, and again you give the
I'll give you an example in our game, and for
people who don't know, we played a game at eleven AM,
played a kid's day game and got our first win
the season. But at the end of the first half,
my point guard was like, hey, coach, I can you
(05:47):
know they're the free throw liners? Twenty six seconds ago
the first half He's like, can I push if I
get a layup? I say, you can get a dead layup,
take it, take it. But if not dribble that thing out,
let's run, let's play for one. So he drives in there,
gets a dead layup, but he takes a kind of
a weird shot and they defend it. He misses, they
come down, they miss a shot. We go in with
(06:08):
a small lead at that And the point was I
try to teach him day is here's the reason that
even if maybe if you have a dead, wide open layup,
but otherwise you don't, it's just because of the It's
about number of possessions. If you hold for the last shot,
they cannot will not get another possession. They cannot will
not score another point. But even if you score, if
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you give them opportunity one, we can accrue a foul
or two, they can still score. And they can score
three versus R two if we get a layup. Technically
I'd take a layup as a ninety five plus percent shot.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Otherwise I would not.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So it's the same thing with the with the Eagles, like, yes, yes,
you're totally right. The Packers did not have offense the
entire game. Why should they be scared of running down
the clock. As much as you want punt them, pin
them deep and then say hey, if you're gonna beat
us or get to a field goal, knock yourselves out.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Let's see we But.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Again, all of that still could have been true, only
with less time on the clock. Right, there's two twenty
five to go. If you run the football and you
get tackled the line of scrimmage, it goes to the
two minute warning. Packers still have three timeouts. If you
run the football again, Packers have to call another timeout.
So now they'll get the ball back with one fifty five.
If you don't get the first down, there's no reason
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to think they would get the first down anyway, or
wouldn't get the first down anyway.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And they're a running team, it's what they do.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So they would have had only two timeouts and how
much time to get back. So again, it it made
no sense to me none. Here's Nick Sirianni after the
game explaining it.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I think we were It was into the wind on
that one. I knew the kick would had to be
a little bit lower traractory of a kick on that
On that particular one, I got a lot of faith
in our offense. It didn't work out on this one,
you know, you know, we we just didn't. We just
didn't get it. But the decision I stand put on
(08:03):
that decision, you know, especially being up three, because you
go up six, they're still going to need a touchdown
in hell Mary everything like that. So we would ended
the game if we would have got that, and then
got a lot of faith in our guys to be
able to do that. But the reason I didn't kick
the field goal again being up three and also just
this trajectory into the wind there on that particular one.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Okay, so here I think he's talking about the last
possession at the next to last possession, which is what
I'm talking about. Nonetheless, he actually is contradicting himself while
talking about it. Here's what I mean, Dan one. Yes,
so if you get stopped there, they're like two complete
passes away from being in field goal range. And he
(08:48):
just admitted that the Green Bay Packers had the wind
at their back. Get his explanation makes no sense at
all none. Having the wind in your face on a
punt is actually a good thing when you're trying to
pin somebody back right, because it means that the wind
will keep the ball from going into the end zone.
(09:08):
Theoretically percentage time wise, So the idea like, I never
thought about punting my offensive. I'm not saying your offense
you can go forward on fourth down. That didn't make
any sense either. Why don't you punt with however many
seconds ago? There's like forty seconds ago? Why would you punt?
Why would you let them? I mean, if the Packers
would have kept the backup field goal kicker instead of
(09:31):
shot set of McManus, who clearly can't kick the ball
sixty five yards in the air, they would have a shot.
And the over reason they had a shot was because
you stubbornly refused to punt. So just because it worked
out does not make it the right decision. Sirianni made
two awful decisions next to the last possession, throwing it
(09:51):
on third, second and third down and last possession, just
punt the ball on fourth, punt the ball on fourth.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
They have no timeouts.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
They would have had I don't know, twenty or so
seconds left to go make a play because they didn't punch.
So they got the ball with twenty five seconds ago.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Right, Well, so what yeah, yeah, it was because the
first part of the timeouts was on the other side
of the two minute warning, where they then did end
up punting it to Green Bay, and so then green
Bay ended up having the fumble on the fourth down
play that stalled their drive, and then when they got
(10:30):
the football back, green Bay still had the two timeouts,
and green Bay used the timeouts. It was then on
the fourth down where they just threw it up to
A J. Brown, where you should have just I don't
care if you're at the thirty five yard line, just
punt it out of the end zone, just booming as
far as you can.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
No, you can try and kill him in the corner.
You know, you get to wear your face try and
kill them in the corner. Yeah, it's it still uses
up the exact same amount of time as they came
bought about. You didn't make any sense at all.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I think you're arguing in the way of nobody punts
from the thirty five yard line anymore. So to be
able to do that is I actually think it's trickier
for a punter to be able to try to put one,
because it's just you don't give him any room. But
that doesn't negate the point that I would much rather
have green Bay start at their own twenty yard line,
(11:19):
correct then start from their own thirty five yard line
and be able to at least get in position to
throw up a hail mary.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Right. So here's we're making the same point in a
different way. Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Regardless of whether or not he punted it into the
end zone or try to do coffin corner, they weren't
going for the first down. They were trying to use clock,
and by throwing the ball out of bounds you accomplished nothing. Essentially,
took a knee and hand the ball to them and
ran four or five seconds off the clock. You could
(11:54):
run four or five seconds off the clock and punted
it out of bounds or coffin corner, whichever way you want,
and they would have had and they would have had,
you know, at a minimum eighty yards to go to
get a touchdown and forty yards to go to get
a field goal. Either way, he made the wrong decision.
He didn't make the wrong ye You're like, well, they
(12:14):
won the game. That doesn't make it the right decision.
It's process over result. And he gave the Packers again,
the Packers, if they complete one more pass, then they're
in well within field goal range, and there's a lot
of kickers in the NFL that can kick a sixty
five yard field goal right now, mcmannus is not one
of them.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Well, he's also not one of them when it's twenty
degrees and the football is a rock like like, that's
got it. He got a warm up when he wasn't
supposed to. Was short yep. Then Green Bay runs their
play to try to get a couple of yards, which
really wasn't close because Love just airmailed it to take
more time off the clock, which no.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
They had.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
The Eagles had two defensive backs right there on the sideline.
They had one on each side, so you couldn't run
little like three yard out, you know, just throw it
out of bounds. So what happened was he looked up
and looked and saw those guys there, so he just
aired Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
No, I'm aware of all that. It's just the point
of they had the kicking unit out on the field, yes, yes,
and then they pulled them back off on the fourth
down play to say, hey, let's get a couple of
more yards in that scenario, didn't get it, and then
brought the field goal team back out on the field.
Just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Like, you just showed
(13:32):
that he couldn't make a sixty five yarder when there
was nobody rushing. Why in the world would you think
that he could make one on the second try. So
I would have just thrown one up as a hail
Mary at the end. If you're Matt Lafleur, sure you
don't get the completion on the out route, but why
are you putting your field goal unit back out on
the field for an attempt that the second attempt was horrendous.
(13:55):
It's like when you learn Madden and then they've changed
the kicking style for the first time and you have
no idea.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
That's a good reference, that's a good pull.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
It was awful.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, it's a good pull.
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Speaker 2 (15:14):
Why was Nico Harrison fired?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Now now Stut Gottlep Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Uh, let's welcome in.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
He's got a new podcast with.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
With Brendan Huh.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I'm sorry with uh go ahead, go ahead you Yeah,
I know, Brendon. I just I heard you talking, and
I didn't know if I missed the name of the
podcast because I do actually uh see the clips and
listen to it. He's Rick Buker, a longtime Fox Sports
Radio NBA Insidery joins in the Doug Gottlieb Show on
(15:50):
Fox Sports Radio. Rick, why now why fire Nico Harrison?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Now?
Speaker 8 (15:57):
Oh? Because the fans had gotten to a point where
they it had become a major distraction, and Patrick Dumont,
the DuMond wanted to be able to the owner, wanted
to be able to go attend games, and that was
going to become increasingly difficult because they were going to
look at him and be waiting for him to fire
(16:19):
an Eco. So I just feel like we always get
we always get mad at the wrong person. You know,
at the beginning of last year what led to the trade,
Luca Dosis comes back and he's not in shape and
he gets injured again. Everybody people weren't mad at him.
(16:40):
They were mad even then already at Jason Kidd and
the MAVs in general. And then they make the move
and this is obviously Patrick Damon is looking at the
ownership is looking at it saying we don't want to
pony up three hundred and sixty five million for a
guy who seems to be constantly hurt on our watch.
(17:02):
And so Nico goes and makes the deal, and uh,
and now we're mad. We're mad at Nico and and okay,
so we fired Nico. How does that solve the situation.
I know that the fans feel some satisfaction in seeing
him hung out, but I just this to me is
(17:23):
the danger when you're running a team by crowdsource.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
And well, it's it's the old it's the old Jerry Sloan.
If you listen to fans, soon you become one of them, right, yeah, yeah,
And this.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
Is and this is a naive fan who happens to
be running the team. Because look was it was it
a questionable move on the part of the Mavericks too
to move Luka Dancic for what they got. Absolutely, absolutely,
if you're going to move him, try to get try
(17:58):
to get more. But they were also under you know,
from everything I know, it was it was owner mandate
to we're not paying three hundred and sixty five million dollars,
see what you can get, and if you're gonna do
that in short order, and you're gonna be able to
try to pitch them on the idea that that you're
gonna still have some championship possibilities rather than rebuilding. Then
(18:23):
the move that they made, I don't know if there's
an appreciably better one that could have been made. You know,
the biggest problem that I have is if you're going
to make this move, if you're if you're if you're
gonna allow Nico Harrison or push Nico Harrison to trade
Luka Doncich, you don't eleven games into this season, then say, oh,
(18:46):
that was a mistake. You know, you're you're gonna pay
with your job. They haven't had their complete team, and
if we're eleven games into the season, it just feels
like one naive decision after another by a naive ownership.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I couldn't agree with you more. You know, there's no
way that trade gets made without ownership. It was just
signing off on it, but pushing for it, and then
they just they don't have the fortitude to a standard
when you don't even have your team. Kyrie's not back
till till spring. You know, Anthony Davis has n't been healthy,
and Cooper Cooper flag just started playing NBA basketball and
(19:25):
he's playing point guard, which is not his position.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Right It's it all happened in time.
Speaker 8 (19:30):
But they're experimenting right now. I mean they're they're spitballing
because they do They're they're injured, they don't have their
best players, and so how did you think this is
going to go? And look, the optics are terrible because
of what Luca is doing. But Luca, like I said
it at the time, I thought, you know, Luca may
never get into the shape that he's in right now
(19:51):
if if he's not traded, if he wasn't shamed into
and you have to approach things different. And as as
I've had people tell me, it's it's like he's in
shape now, he's been in shape before. Can he sustain
this through the season? And maybe even more important, can
you with the usage rate and the amount of everything
going through him? Are you going to be any closer
(20:14):
to a championship with Luca in LA than what you
have in Dallas. That still remains to be seen, and
that story still, like at the moment, looks horrible eleven
games in, but eleven games in is meaningless in the
(20:34):
big picture in terms of whether this actually this deal
actually was the right move to make or not, or
who ends up winning the deal, no question.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Doug Gottlieb show, Fox Sports Trader, that's the voice of
Rick Pugree jeorgees Here on Fox Sports Radio. When will
Lebron James PLAYNBA basketball?
Speaker 8 (20:52):
When when the opportunity to look good coming in and
it looks like the Lakers need him, I would say
that is it. I don't know that he's in any
rush to play or get back, because with his age,
he has one he has one thing in mind. Can
I can I get another ring? Is there another way
to win another? Another ring? And for him, the more
(21:15):
he can make this like the bubble year where he's
not playing a full season, he can ramp up at
the right time and then make a run. I think
that's why he's He's observing things the way that he is,
which is, how's the team doing? Are we in contention?
Are we in a good place? And when when's the
(21:39):
time right for me to come in? Where I can
I can find my game, I can find my rhythm.
Even when regardless of when he comes back, I woulde
I would imagine that he's going to be in and
out over the course of the season, trying to get
himself in prime position to be a factor in the postseason.
At this point, I don't really blame him for that,
(22:01):
But the only part that I don't get is that
he is as stoic as he is at the end
of the bench like he's he seems to be so disengaged,
and I that just seems curious to me because that's
not the way he's been in the past. When he's
been out, he's been far more engaged, and so it
(22:24):
raises questions about what's what's inspiring that.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yes, I would I would tend to I would love
to know what the answer to that is. He would
love to know.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
I mean, there's a reason. Let's face it, anything that
Lebron does is not happenstance, whatever it is calculated. There
is a reason for what he's doing. He knows the
cameras are on him, uh, he knows that we're paying
attention to everything that he does. So when he does
something this obvious, there's a reason behind it, and I
(22:56):
wish I could tell you what it is, too. I don't.
I don't to leap to conclusions. There's there's a lot
of a lot of places you could go to fill
the vacuum, and uh, I just but I don't want
to do that because most of most of them put
Lebron in a negative light, and I don't know that
it's fair to jump to that conclusion.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Sammy, have you heard this before? But Joel Embiid is
ruled out for tonight's game. I know it's it's a stunner.
It's really surprising. Yeah, yeah, uh Philadelphia and ride this
thing out.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Are they going to try and move him?
Speaker 8 (23:29):
Well, I think they would.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
I think they would consider moving him for sure, But
I also don't think that there's anything out there that
is going to make it worthwhile. I would expect that
it's let's hang on. Let's again. He's almost in the
Lebron situation and a position in terms of we can
(23:52):
if we can win with these guards and we can
bring back Embiid or a beat em beads available at
the right time. The big adjustment is going to be
on his part. You're going to be and again, much
like Lebron, we got we got new sheriffs in town,
we have a new nucleus, and you are more a
(24:13):
complimentary player, still valuable still valuable, but you're a complimentary player,
like this is our this is what we're building our
team around. And if he's willing to adjust to that,
then I would say, you know what, keep him. I
don't know that you're going to get anything back. It's
it's more valuable and or more useful. And I would
(24:35):
say the same thing with Lebron, which again goes back
kind of back to the like his disengagement. It's like,
if he handles this the right way, then you know what,
you could end up making a nice run being part
of something that at this point you shouldn't be part of.
And but it's all a matter of can they supplement
(24:56):
their egos for the greater good? And I with either
one of them, I don't know if they're willing to
do that.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
No.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I definitely with Lebron, we just does as not nothing
he's done makes you feel as though that's the case.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Right was the case?
Speaker 8 (25:12):
I would I would tend to agree.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Rick Buker's our guest here on the Doug Outlet Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Buke let me let me ask
you about about Steph Curry and the Warriors. Again, we
don't we pay attention for a couple first couple of
games and then nothing else Where Are they in that
high hierarchy in the.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
West, Uh, pretty much where they were they've been for
the last few years. And I know the run that
they made with Jimmy at the end of the year.
But uh, this is look, they've they've aged out. That's
just the reality of it. They they could if they
(25:53):
can get to the playoffs, they could be an interesting
team much like they were last year. They could potentially
win around the counting on who they see. But the
but the truth of it is that small ball has expired.
It's more tall ball in terms of teams are playing
still playing fast, but they now have They don't have
(26:16):
six six Draymond Greens as that point forward. They got
they got sixty eight sixty nine guys that are doing it.
And they've got seven footers who can protect the rim
and space the floor. Uh So, and the talent that
they have is just is deeper than what the Warriors have.
It's it is I mean, it's just cyclical. This is
(26:40):
what the league is built on, which is you can
only stay at the top so long. To stay there,
you have to pay your guys and then your guys
get older, your core and you're the hamstrung as far
as your ability to put talent around them, and so
you just hit a certain limit. And you look across
(27:01):
the board at the teams that are out there, and
the stars that they're competing against are all in their prime.
Every every every team, I mean Luka Doncis even Luka
Donsich in his prime, Nikola Jokic in his prime, Shay Gildess,
Alexander you know, still maybe coming into his prime. Look
(27:24):
across the board and all of Houston Rockets, I'm Alpha
and Sengoon in that group. Like, there's just too many
teams that are that are in their prime. They can play,
they're not phased at all by the way that the
Warriors play. And meanwhile, the Warriors are an older team
that just doesn't have the requisite collective talent to compete
(27:47):
with the rest of the West at the top.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Stett Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Trio. That's the one
and only Rick Buker. He's awesome. Oh I'm sorry, go
ahead there, Jay su Ju has something for you, Rick.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Rick, You're pot cast is called on the Ball with
Rick Baker.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
There is I'm actually doing a couple of them. Now
on the Ball with Rick Buker is my solo podcast,
Finding the Seams is that's a friend in Haywood. And
then I'm doing an international basketball podcast with Boston Knockbar.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Wow, look at all these humber Braggs, multiple languages, multiple podcasts.
But I did want to focus on your podcast called
on the Ball because Doug's Dougs pod All Ball on
the Scene.
Speaker 8 (28:30):
Yeah, I know, I know. Well Doug didn't check with
me before he came up with his.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Collaborate You guys could do a collaboration.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Well, we have actually discussed it. We have actually discussed.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
But it should be called all on the ball, which
which sounds like a drill, like like when.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I like on the ball on the seams. I'm a
big seams guy.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, but because because the best of the best can
pass the ball, so you catch it on the seams
and there's like very few people on earth they can
do that.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
But Doug, isn't there a drill when you do practice,
you throw the ball out and you want your players
to dive on the loose balls. All on the ball,
All on the ball. Let's go with.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
The let's called first on the floor, all on the ball, first.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
On the first on the Just ignore him, Rick, He
means well, but he can be he can, he can
be a lot.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
He can.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
Just wanted the bells and whistles, and I can appreciate
that exactly.
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Second out of the show, we will talk about Nico
Harrison getting fired. Our good friend Rick Bucker has got
a new podcast. He's going to join us at twenty
after the hour, plus we'll check in with all things
NBA when or will Lebron James play this year. That's
always interesting and new to me. Plus we got the press,
plus we got other stuff going on before we get
(30:37):
to that.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
We like to do this every Tuesday, a way of.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Recapping things that even we in the media missed talking
about yesterday because there's just too much stuff. It's called
Tuesday Morning Quarterback, and you have.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
Tuesday till this is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Monday's can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we
didn't get to on Monday. Yes, sir, Morning Quarterback in
the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
We all look at football season from a different perspective.
Do you watch different games, different ways of watching Semer
Red Zone guys, some are locked into one game. One guys,
Dan's doing his show Tuesday Sunday afternoons.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Let's start with you, Dan, Let's let's let's let's get
the floor. You to you, Tuesday Morning Quarterback. What do
you want us to get to?
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, so I do want to get to the Seattle Seahawks,
my team with a huge showdown against the Rams coming
up on Sunday. But I want to talk about the
Most Valuable Player Award because I think that there is
an interesting conversation for the odds that we just talked
about when we did rank them bet online having and
(31:44):
this was as of this morning, Matthew Stafford your favorite
at three to one, Drake May plus three twenty five,
Jonathan Taylor plus three to fifty. Sam Donald is sitting
there right now with the sixth shortest odds at plus
eight point fifty at seventeen to two, and the Seahawks
and their record and Donald's passer rating are all reasons
(32:05):
for Donald to be a candidate. But Jackson Smith and
Jigba is one hundred to one, and when Sam Donald
is only throwing it to Jackson Smith and Jigba, I
don't know how Sam Donald or anybody else could be
higher than Jackson Smith and Jigba in that conversation. If
we're having the conversation about Jonathan Taylor like we are,
(32:27):
I think we need to have it about Jackson Smith
and Jigba, who is on pace to possibly break Calvin
Johnson's all time record for receiving yards in a season,
Like the two thousand yard mark for JSN is not
out of the realm of possibilities. Nineteen sixty four is
the number that Calvin Johnson set in twenty twelve. Cooper
(32:48):
Cup almost broke it a few years ago, fell just
short of it. But Doug the target number for Jackson
Smith and Jigma on the season. And this is something
that we talked about in our I Want Your Flex
podcast episode with Mike Harmon and our executive producer Ian Roddy.
I'm also plugging that podcast. Such a name drapper, Jackson
(33:09):
Smith and Jigba has eighty five targets on the season.
Second most on the team is Cooper Cup with thirty five.
There is a fifty target gap between first and second
on the Seahawks. So if Sam Donald, who is basically
only throwing to Jackson Smith and Jigba, is considered an
(33:33):
MVP candidate, how is JSN so far down the line
at one hundred to one? And I know the answer.
Donald's a quarterback, Jsn's a wide receiver. I understand that.
But when you have one guy who has single handedly
been your really your entire offense because they haven't been
running the football that well, that to me stands out
(33:55):
like a sore thumb. He's not gonna win it, But
I mean he is the reason. If the quarterback is
throwing to just one guy. I think it should be
the guy who's catching the football and not the one
who's throwing the football.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Uh, great point. I mean Cooper we were talking about,
you know, Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup was MVP of the
Super Bowl, rightfully so, because all they did was thow
to him on the last drive against the Bengals. If
that's the case, Cooper Cup can be MVP at the
Super Bowl. Why can't Jackson Smith and jigbub be the
MVP of the league considering his team's winning and he's
(34:30):
the biggest reason.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Why.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
What did you think of the way they utilized the
new player from the Saints.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Rashid Shiheid. They were up so big they really didn't
have to. He did return a couple of kicks. I
know that's going to add a different dimension, but he
really wasn't needed on Sunday because they were up so much.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
I did notice too, that Sam Donald did some real
Sam Donald things in the second half. Yes, you did,
trying to make it close.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, three turnovers, fumble, two interceptions, one of the excuse me,
two fumbles, one interception. The interception was the ricochet off
the helmet second time. That's happened this season. Fumbled snap
inside your own five yard line that doesn't help, and
there was a strip sack. Josh Sweat was able to
(35:16):
strip Donald of the football, and something that has happened
to Donald multiple times this year. I'm going to continue
to harp on the Seahawks turning over the football, kind
of like Jason does with the Dodgers. Even though everything
looks good, there are still problems. So if the Seahwks
lose on Sunday, it's very likely going to be because
of bad turnovers.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Uh okay, there, I'll take one again. And we haven't.
I don't think we've discussed I know Sam's, I don't
know yours. Jase two.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Group text. I started the group text with my subject.
Sam belatedly contributed as you and Dan ignored it.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Well, there's your oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what
you want. That's not what I want to do.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I want to be sorry that I just have to.
I didn't ignore it because you sent me a specific
single text to ask about what my what my thing was?
So I gave you a topic and I did give
you an answer.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I just this is way too.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Don't paint me as the Scofflaw, who did not follow
up on the group text. Please don't all right, Doug,
the floor is yours.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I just this is me going, hey, Rob Parker is
having a really tough time because he's always called Matt
Stafford stat Padford.
Speaker 8 (36:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Isn't that what he calls him?
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Am I right? Sam?
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Stat Padford?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Matt Stafford is nasty and he's having an unbelievable year
that I'm guessing that. Hm, I'm guessing Dan. You know
the stats because that's your how your brain works. J
stew Any idea of what his touchdown and interception ratio.
Speaker 6 (37:03):
Is, no idea. I just thirteen in the last four week.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Twenty five touchdowns, two interceptions all season twenty five and two.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
And here's the guy pretty good.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, here's a guy who remember was it last year?
A year before they were like, eh, you know, you
might want to finish somewhere else. He went checked out
the market. Everything was about his bad back. What are
they going to do if he retires? And I mean,
Stafford's this weird quarterback that he's unbelievably talented and when
he's in a rhythm.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Holy count.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Now I will grant you Niners aren't very good right now.
And the previous game was against the Saints, but before
that it was the Jags. Whatever, But twenty five and
two over a season, twenty five and two is crazy.
He should be in any conversation of best quarterback in
the league, should be any conversation of MVP league. And
I remember this is a guy that some people thought
might retire before the season started. Matt Stafford, that's my
(37:57):
Tuesday morning quarterback. Okay, let me get to Jay Stewart.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
You're up.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
I don't know about your guys' process, but whenever I
see like one of these aggregators send out these stats,
I send it to myself. I'm like, I want at
some point it might come up on the air this week.
I'm just going to send this to myself. And Doug
just handed it to me like a Wheelhouse fastball. Yeah.
Did you guys know the milestone that Matthew Stafford reached
(38:24):
on Sunday. He now has a career NFL record as
a starting quarterback of one fifteen one fifteen and one.
He reached five hundred.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
It's the most career starts that any NFL quarterback has
ever gone, reaching five hundred for the first time at
three hundred or two hundred and thirty one, pretty amazing
to me. But I want to talk about another mid quarterback,
or it was considered mid up until about eight weeks ago,
(39:02):
and now people are trying to tell us that they
always knew that he would go back to being mid.
This is Daniel Jones, Okay. Daniel Jones had a surprising
start to the season, and surprising in this regard. He
was always turnover prone. That was his thing coming in
and I think he went the first three or four
games without turning the ball over. I think I remember
(39:24):
asking janital Jeremiah, how do you coach turnovers out of quarterbacks? Well,
the last couple of weeks, if you guys have been
paying attention, he's thrown four interceptions and in the game
Overseas on Sunday, he put the ball on the rug
three times, only lost one of them, but he fumbled
three times. So if you're doing the math, I think
we're looking at seven or eight turnovers in the last
(39:49):
two weeks. When will Daniel Jones start playing like Daniel Jones?
Maybe we're seeing signs of that. Jonathan Taylor making up
for a lot of Wartz. I did want to point
this out, so before the game overseas, Kyle Brant was
able to sit down with Daniel Jones, and turns out
Daniel Jones is a very boring guy, very uninteresting. In fact,
(40:10):
it became a part of the conversation that Daniel Jones
is an uninteresting guy. And this is how Daniel Jones
chose to defend himself against that reputation.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Probably a part of my personality. I feel like I've
never tried to try. I don't know social media, whatever
it is, I don't. I don't share too much. But yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
I don't know. I mean, I think try to play
football and hang out with my family and friends.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Pretty pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah, Like I said, I don't. I don't do a ton.
I mean I pretty much played football and uh and
hang out.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
I play football and I hang out. Which I've held
this up for a very long time. To make it
to that level, a quarterback needs to be exceptionally gifted
in doing one thing, and they they don't necessarily do
anything else. They're not worldly, they're not sophisticated. There are
(41:07):
very rare, rare exceptions to this. If you watch the
Netflix Quarterback season two, you see how boring quarterbacks are.
There were cousins and two other white guys. In fact,
the Netflix special should be called white Quarterbacks, White boring,
(41:28):
uninteresting quarterbacks. You will see how uninteresting these people are.
There's just no they're there. They are not dynamic, and
they're thinking for a reason, which I'm going to drive
the point home for the one hundredth time on these airwaves.
We cannot take Aaron Rodgers for granted. In twenty years,
(41:49):
somebody's going to be like, wait a minute, A quarterback
would go on controversial podcasts and say controversial things and
said interesting things. Maybe not everyone agreed with it, but
he said things without any kind of thought for recourse,
and he had an intellectual capacity to have those conversations
with people that were well versed in very complicated matters.
(42:12):
And my answer to my grandkids are gonna be yes.
And most quarterbacks were like Daniel Jones. So I think
I didn't take away your topic? Did I say, m No?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Nope.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
But I would actually love to speak if Aaron Rodgers wants,
And I'll get into my point about Aaron Rodgers here
in a second. If he ever wants to have any
dealings with the media in like fifteen years, be like
a celebrity guest or whatever. He's gonna be like the
NFL's version of like a medicine man. He's gonna have
like long hair, he's gonna have beads on his neck,
he's gonna have more tattoos. He's gonna be talking about,
(42:47):
you know, experimental drugs. If he wants to have a
role in the future, he should embrace being the NFL's
medicine man. Right now, he's with the Steelers, and the
Steelers are slumping. They've lost three of four. And listen,
Sunday Night's game against the Chargers was surprising and he
was mostly, if not partially, the reason they lost the game.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (43:08):
And he's never been he's never been stiffer looking, and
he's never been older. Obviously, they cannot stop time. It
marches forward. But you still are in the best position
to win with him as your quarterback. So along with
Mike Tomlin giving him a vote of confidence, I'm giving
Aaron Rodgers a vote of confidence.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
I know they're in again.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
They start out four and one, they're five and four,
but they did have that win over the Colts, which
was a nice win, kind of got people off their
back for a second. I think for the rest of
the year and beyond, Aaron Rodgers should be your QB
one and stick with him and ride it out. Because
the NFL goes in waves and wins and losses.
Speaker 6 (43:43):
We know that, Dan, would that be uttered? Would that
rise to the level of a fantasy expertise on your
podcast Q one?
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Aaron Rodgers, Well, I wouldn't recommend that as advice of
him getting a QB one.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I would not either.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
Well, for the Steelers can't well yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm just saying I'm just saying that that partly the
reasons they've lost games off and on through the season,
it's been somewhat their defense, and Aaron Rodgers is played
near that. But Aaron Rodgers is tied for fifth in
the NFL and touchdown passes, so he's still slinging it around.
And again, he's not the Aaron Rodgers of fifteen years
ago now, But I'm just giving him a vote of confidence.
(44:19):
They're slumping right now, but it's not all him. Sunday night,
it was that was a surprising loss, and he played
very poorly. But he also got sacked a bunch, and
so some of it's on him, some of it's on
the line, some of it is on giving the charges credit.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
I do want to get to, was that your was
that your? Did you want a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Yes, Sirdy Bob Okay, So you had Aaron.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Rodgers, Jay Stu had uh Dana Jones, all right, I
had Matt Stafford and Buyer way back thirty minutes ago
because we all fill a bustard.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
I don't even remember, like Buyer, this was good?
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Well it was, Oh, it's Jackson Smith and Jigba right,
and how we've overlooked how dominant he's been and how
though he's not going to he should.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Get some sort of consideration for MVP.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yes, it's good Tuesday morning quarterback and yeah Fordo, well
Tuesday Tuesday.
Speaker 7 (45:19):
Here you have it your Tuesday morning quarterback in the
afternoon on the Don Gotleet Show.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
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