December 8, 2025 • 54 mins
On a Monday edition of the Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the college football playoff and the reaction to the committee's decision making as Notre Dame is on the outside looking in and Doug thinks they have the right to be upset.
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having a great day. At an unbelievable weekend, Right, big
time college football, time pro football, we got a lot
to talk about. We had a lot to talk about it.
I mean, I don't even know because the sports counter
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is so weird, right, Like mondays are really hard to
talk about college football. We're gonna start by talking about
college football, but we're not going to talk about the
fact that Ohio States kicker missed like a two yard
field goal to tie the Big Ten Championship game, which
is a stunner. And Indiana and Kurt Signetti literally called
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his shot, called his shot two years ago when he
got and he's done it. It's remarkable. And yet I
and Indiana is the number one seed. It's not really
where we want to go with it. But I just
I want you to take a snapshot. I don't know
if there is any more kind of bizarro sign of
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the times and how college sports is evolving in that
Indiana when we finally have a college football tournament, if
you will, is the number one seed. And they played
Ohio State and Big Ten Championship they played at Oregon
won both those games. They're undefeated, right, They did beat
Penn State. Granted it was after Penn State lost its quarterback,
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lost its coach, but whatever, they won those games. Indiana
is the number one team in the country and the
regular season is complete. That is if that is crazy
crazy crazy h but it's not the topic of the day.
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It remains in the state of Indiana. It's the fact
that No, Tra Dame is not in the College Wall Playoff,
is not in the College Wall Playoff. Why is that? Well,
I mean, do we really need to to put it
out there? The college football Playoff, which of course was
announced yesterday, and the College twelve playoff bracket is out
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and James Madison is in. James Madison is in, Tulane
is in. Both of them are losing their coaches. Here's
where we as media, we just wear the worst, right
like James Madison and or as fans, you're the worst.
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James Madison and Tulane they've both lost their coaches and
yet they're still playing in the Collegewell Playoff. And it
wasn't made to a big deal that their coaches are
coaching their team in the College Wall Playoff. But Obyss
it was made into a massive, massive deal. And Lane
Kiffin can't coach, but his head, his offensive coordator, Charlie
Weise junior can coach. But we're here. Don't kid yourself.
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We're here because we're trying to be fair in a
completely unfair sport. That's what we're trying to do. We're
trying to be fair in an unfair sport. That's the
reality of it. The reality. It's not to say that
Tulane and James Madison couldn't win a game, but there
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is literally point zero zero zero zero zero zero zero
one percent they could win three games, and no one
disagrees with me. And they're not built for that. They
just are not. Because the attrition of every game in
a college football playoff is going to be so great
that by the time if they could ever even get
to the semi finals, it'd be hard for them to
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field a team. And because those two spots are taken
by automatic qualifiers from the we call it the Power five,
which again it's kind of laughable. We call it the
Power five when you got the Power four, but it's
not even really the Power four. It's really the power too,
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and then the next two and then everybody else that.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
What it is. So, because we want so badly to
replicate the NCAA tournament where we have this Cinderella even
though the sports are very very different, we jam into
teams that they've had great seasons, they've been great turnaround stories,
and they have good talent. Soil of Jeames Madison's not good. Now,
the two lane's not good. They're just not one of
the twelve best teams in the country, and no one's
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really arguing that. So when you're trying to play to
different masters, if you will, Hey, we're trying to find
the twelve best teams. But we got to get these
teams in that we know don't really belong with that group.
But how do we make it all work? This is
what we come up with. And it's really interesting. What
I'm going to say I know to be true. Nobody's
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told me to say it. Nobody said, hey, you know,
help us down here talk about Notre Dame because you
went there. I went there and I had to leave,
So I have no I do have a love for DOTIM.
I think it's a spectacular place, special place. But it's
not because of that. It's because I live in the
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real world of college athletics that I'm gonna tell you.
Notre Dame has said and done everything exactly the way
I would do it. They have every right to be
pested at the ACC, every right, every single right to
be ticked off at the ACC, and they're smart to
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not playing a bowl game because they're saving us all
from inevitably saying, well, Notre Dame, should they have been in?
Should they not be in? Let's see how they play
in the bowl game. When half the guys don't play.
It's like the Florida State thing. Florida State should I
didn't think they should have got into college wall playoff
two years ago, but they didn't have their quarterback, and
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then half the guys don't play. Then they lose in
the bowl game, and they're like, see, Florida State's a phony,
Like no, they I didn't think they were good enough,
but half their guys didn't play. The bowl games have
gone away. The only thing there really there for now
is guys that want to put something on tape to leave,
or guys that are freshmen. They're gonna get a shot
in the bowl game and they wouldn't get a shot otherwise.
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And you're trying to develop your culture while having a
great trip. But the bowl games no longer mean anything,
and Notre Dame actually separated themselves as a serious college
fotball program. Hey, we're just in to win a championship.
We got to the finals last year. We lost two
close games this year, felt like we should have probably
beat A and M didn't do it, got left out.
We're not gonna fake it and go to a bowl
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game when that's not what we're playing for and that's
not what anybody cares about it anymore. And half the
players don't play anymore, and we're not gonna be judged
on our season when half of our team is not
gonna play in a meaningless bowl game. And even if
they do play in the bowl game, won their risk injury.
Notre Dame has had that a traumatic injury about a
decade ago in the Cotton Bowl. And then two I
think they had won to Copley last year actually in
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the College Wall Playoff, they had a big injury in
the in the game against Indiana. And then two who
they play against, maybe even they have guys. The team
they play against probably gonna half their guys. So what
are we doing? I don't know everything about college athletics,
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even coaching in college athletics, but I do know what
Pete Bavakua said is true. Like there's some unwritten rules
that everybody knows about conferences, Right, you can criticize somebody
within your own conference. Dan's a gigantic Big Ten fan,
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so he can talk trash on well, Michigan may be
the one that he doesn't care if everybody talks trash about,
but generally don't say anything bad about the Big Ten
or my Big Ten brethren, because on some level he's
an Ohio State fan. Right as an Ohio State fan.
If you take shots at the league, that kind of
takes shots at the credibility of the program. It's just
not done. Just not done. You know, I'm in the
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Horizon League, and even though our commissioner has left, it's
a vacated position. I know enough to go. I'm not
going to criticize any other program or what they do
how they do because they're in our league. That's your conference, brethren.
Here's Peter Vaka earlier today, he was on with Dan Patrick.
He had this to say about the ACC.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
We're frustrated with the process, not the teams. They're all
great teams, and it's a bunch of teams. BYU has
a great argument, Texas, Vanderbilt, Miami, Alabama, Notre Dame. We
all have great arguments. It's the process that bothers us.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Well, those ranking shows bother me, Pete, because well They bother.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Me too, because you know, if we just said, well,
if we had assembled as a team on Sunday and
rankings hadn't told us for the previous weeks, we're in.
We're in, we're in. Take care of business, take care
of business. And hey, you know what, Notre Dame. You're
eleven and now you're going to get squeezed out because
of the conference tie ins and Miami beat you, and hey,
I get it. But these ranking shows, as I said yesterday,
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like what's the point why kind of send the signals
and get the hopes up of these of these teams,
these coaches, these kids on the team that believe they're
doing everything necessary. And then, like I said, it just
felt in that room a collective sense of the rug
being taken out from under us without any explanation that
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I've heard Dan that has me feeling better about it.
I have tremendous respect for Miami, you know, the great team,
great school, but we were mystified by the actions of
the conference to attack you know, their biggest really business
partner in football and a member of their conference in
twenty four of our other sports. I wouldn't be honest
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with you if I didn't say that. They have certainly
done permanent damage to the relationship between the conference and
Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I will point out that while I believe he's right,
and I'm going to give him a pass because I
don't think that he manages Notre Dame's social media, Notre
Dame on Saturday, when the Big twelve Championship game was
being played, they posted the logo of Texas Tech on
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Notre Dame's social media sites. Okay, now that doesn't mean
they don't have to. It's the they're Catholic, they don't
have to support Mormons. They can say whatever they want
about respecting BYU and their opponents or whatever. That was
a little gamesmanship. We're cheering for, you know, we're cheering
for Texas Tech because if Texas Tech wins, we feel
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like we're in, which is what most people thought. Only
it didn't happen that way. So there is a slight
lack of professionalism, and I will totally grant you. And
at a school that big, that prestigious, I'm guessing Pete
Vavaqua doesn't manage or micro manage the social media handle
of the football program. But there was a little little there.
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Now but now BYU's not a conference brethren, not a
conference foe. They do occasionally play Notre Dame in a series,
and so maybe that goes out the window. I don't know.
What I do know is he's right, the ACC you
can't do it the overall overwhelming support of well they're
a full time member, Like, come on, man, what are
we doing here? You know, if Miami is good enough,
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Miami's good enough, it doesn't have to be Miami versus
Notre Dame. I would also point out that the constant
reruns of Miami Notre Dame on the ACC network is
not under the control of the ACC. It's really under
the control of ESPN. And oh yeah, by the way,
it's kind of brilliant. Play the best games, see you
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watch them all over again, because there's been a lot
of bad games this year in college football. But you
can't give support to one and not the other. You
don't criticize or take shots at anybody who's in any
way associated with your conference. You just don't do that.
You just don't do that. Said the Doug Gotlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Tradio. I think they're right. I
think the ACC was wrong. I think they belonged in.
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I don't know about not hearing a you know, not
hearing an explanation. I think you know the explanation. They
took the they took the the tulane, and they got
squeezed out. Tulane and JMU they got squeezed out. That's
the I don't think that's the problem with process. I
think that's the problem with the fact that we were
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trying to be fair in a completely unfair system, in
an unfair sport. They don't let you go like, hey, Alabama,
you're way better than this opponent, so you got to
play with ten guys because that's fair. They don't do that.
They don't say, hey, Ohio State, you have thirty million
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in nil. This school you're playing only has five, so
you're not gonna be able to play guys. That twenty
five extra million. You can't play guys. It's an unfair sport,
especially the attrition of it. So we're trying to make
it fair by putting JMU in there and probably putting
Tulane in there doesn't make any sense, and it is not.
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It is actually unfair to the idea of we're trying
to find the twelve best teams. Either try and find
the twelve best teams or or make it fair. And
i'd say fair with the air quotes from friends fair.
And if you make it fair, you're not going to
have the twelve best teams, which is what you have here,
which is what you have here. And oh yeah, by
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the way, it does give credence to what we've all
all said is it doesn't matter if you have two teams,
four teams, six teams, eight teams, twelve teams, sixteen teams.
Whoever is team three? If you're going for two back
in the day, five, when you're going for four, thirteen,
when you're going for twelve, seventeen and eighteen, and you
going for sixteen, they're all going to be ticked, and
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they're all going to have legitimate arguments and somebody won't
get in. But in this case, Notre Dame, they're not wrong.
They have every right to be ticked to the acc
and they're smart to not play in a bowl game,
which is completely and utterly meaningless and the only thing
it can do is cap off what was a great
season with a loss with half your team when it
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just feels like it doesn't feel like a real football game.
The bull season was killed with the college full of
playoff expansion. That's just the reality of it. Everybody knows it,
and oder on to Dame is owning it, owning it.
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Sports Radio. Hmm, I got a lot of good stuff
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on the a rish Let me do this. Okay, we'll
get to love and hate in one second. Here's what
I'm gonna do Okay, I'm going to tell you really
quickly why there's a narrative out there. And I heard
Colin Cowherd. I heard Colin Cowherd talk about Notre Dame
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and how all they had to do was beat A
and M and Florida. Right, remember, freshman starting quarterback. First
two games, lose to Miami in a great game, lose
to A and M and some crazy crazy stuff at
home by one point. They lost by four points two games,
first two games of the season. And there's a lot
of people like, hey, their schedule wasn't good enough. Bull
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you're wrong. Okay, you're wrong. Let me tell you what
their schedule is. SEC team on the road, Big ten
team at home. Excuse me, let's go in order. Okay, Miami,
who's an ACC team? Okay, Remember they play I leave
six ACC games a year. So this whole idea that
they need to join a conference. They have a hybrid
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agreement with the ACC. They're in it for all their
other sports and basically in it except you don't count
it and they can't play in the championship game for
the accre Like I didn't know that. No, Look, it's
brilliant from Notre Dame because it allows them to play
in Florida. That's when they played Miami. Usually they play
in Virginia. Right, They like to play on the Eastern seaboard,
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so take a list in their schedule. They play Miami
on the road hard game. Start the season. They play
A and M at home, who they played and beat
on the road last year. Okay, and A and M
is an elite college football team. They played Purdue at home.
That Purdue is not good, but they're a Big ten team.
That's that's power four, power four, power four. Then they
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go play Arkansas. Now I know Arkansas fell apart fire
their head coach. Okay, and Arkansas the the mantra of
the Hogs is we always almost all we almost always
almost win. Okay, but Arkansas was supposed to be good
this year, and you went on the road to an
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SEC opponent. Feel free to point out for me the
Big Ten or the SEC teams that play the quality
of schedule that Notre Ame plays. You're like, well, these
teams weren't good you It doesn't work that way. It
doesn't work. You can go like, hey, I got these
long contracts with these teams and they're not gonna be
good this year. They played Miami, they played A and M.
They played Purdue, they played Arkansas the road. They played
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Boise State this year. Hey, what how good was Boise
State last year? Oh? That's right, they were in the
College Football Playoff. Then they played NC State. Okay. NC
State's one of those teams that you've forgotten is in
a major conference. There in the ACC part of their
ACC schedule. Then they play USC again. Whether USC is
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great or just good, it's a yearly thing and it's
always a great game. Usc what nine games this year?
Then they played Navy who won nine games. They played
Boston College on the road, Pittsburgh who won I think
Pittsburgh won nine games, eight games, And they played Syracuse
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who started out the year like three to one and
then completely fell apart. And Stanford, who stinks now. But
when the game has been scheduled, first it's for recruiting,
and second, Stanford hadn't all that they've stun to the
last four years. Before that they were really good. The
point is they don't play any rummies, none, zero. Everybody
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else does everybody else, So when people talk about schedule.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
That's because they don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
You can only do so much. They are assigned I
believe six ACC games a year. They played five five
ACC game a year. Okay, they play now Purdue instead
of Michigan in a Big Ten.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
They did a home and home with Arkansas, a home
and home of A and M. That's two SEC teams.
They played Navy every year, they play sc every year,
and they chose to play Boise State granted at home. Okay,
I'm guessing Boise got paid on that deal. That's how
putting a schedule works. If their by game is Boise State,
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if they're paying Boise State a million five to come
in and play, compare that to the bye games of
anybody else. They played elite schedule. Remember Miami after playing
Notre Dame, they played Withthune Cookman. They had a game
where they could rest dudes and work in their younger dudes.
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Notre Dame didn't do that. My problem with strength of schedule,
and look, it's it's really really hard, really hard to
determine strength to schedule. Okay, really hard, but if you
actually go through it, play a really good schedule, really
good you know. And so while they lost to Miami.
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Miami lost to Louisville and to SMU in overtime, which
are better losses. They both beat Pittsburgh Miami one head
to head. Notre Dame's two losses at Miami by three
points first game of the year and home to A
and m who's freaking really good by a point. So
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you are in fact splitting hairs. And again I wouldn't
be critical of Miami's schedule because they played Notre Dame,
but Thune South Florida, Florida, Florida State. That's an incredible
four games, and they had to have one game where
to get right game play your young guys, everybody gets rested.
Notre Dame didn't have that, and with the freshman quarterback,
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they played the toughest games the first two games of
the year. Let's get to love and hate from the weekend.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
What did you love?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
God?
Speaker 5 (22:06):
I love you and what did you hate?
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Need these player Hays.
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Dan Byer loved about the week.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
I would love to continue this discussion about Notre Dame
with you. I don't know if this show wants to
do that, but now we do that. I just I
are you just throwing out the head to head game
like I'm not.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I'm not. I'm not. I'm saying it's really really close,
and I'm saying that I'm simply picking apart the idea
of a schedule. Okay, the gross mischaracterization of a schedule
could because people on the outside truly don't know how
it works. Like you don't have the ability to manipulate
your schedule nearly as much as people want to want
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you to believe. Ohio State, on the other hand, Okay,
they play a big ten schedule. It's nine games they
played text who they didn't have to play. That's ten
really tough games. There are other two games they played,
Grambling and Ohio. You right, So again, it's all different
ways to get to it. What you can control, what
you can't control. Notre Dame has control over like three
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of their games on a yearly basis, the rest the
sixth the ACC, right, or five the ACC You have
Stanford Navy sc Right, that's nine. That's their nine game,
that's essentially their nine conference games and the other games
they played, and maybe I don't know how how long
the Purdue contract is, right, because they seem to play
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them every year. But the point is that the games
that they could control. Everybody thinks they're independent, they're not.
They have games set and then you have to work
around those games and try and manipulate them and give
your dudes a break.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
They do, and but this is the problem, and this
is the problem with college football, is we look at
Texas A and M and say, yeah, look at Texas
A and M, and look at what they did this year.
Look at what Texas A and M did this year. Right, No,
they didn't. And part of the problem with that is
of these conferences being so big that now you're rehashing
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and you're trying to turn over opponents and you're getting
weaker schedules. In Notre Dame's case, they got a season
where the only really strong ACC team that could help
their case was Miami, and they lost that game. So
the rest of the conference thinks. But even in Texas
A and M's case, like Vanderbilt, played a tougher schedule.
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The game that Texas A and M ended up beating
Notre Dame doug Honestly, that two point conversion could have
been the difference between the Aggies making it into the
postseason or not. And I don't think that that's talked
about enough about Notre Dame and at least the chances
that they had where they could have beaten Miami, they
could have gotten the stop against Texas A and M
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And if you make a play on that conversion, I
think it's a completely different story. So I get it
people took shots at Penn State not being good, and
so Indiana and Ohio State strength of schedule wasn't good
after the James Franklin firing. Are those that win against
Penn State wasn't as strong as a victory. That's sometimes
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the way that the cookie crumbles. And I actually just
blame more of what's going on in college sports in
terms of now we're looking at resumes. It's like the
point between Texas and Vandy two schools that didn't make it,
was that Texas had five opportunities against high caliber competition.
Vandy had two, and part of the reason was because
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of how that SEC schedule ended up, you know, shaking out.
And so this is not going to be anything new,
and it's probably going to lead to expansion because some
of these conference schedules are so awful. That's my love.
I loved extending that conversation.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Cool Jase Tuo.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I love when karma works. You know, I'm not a
religious person, but I do believe in karma. And I
know Sam's gonna get triggered by this because according to him,
anything that you can't physically prove doesn't exist. So you know, superstitions, God,
and I guess karma all fall under this. You can't
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prove it, so it doesn't exist in your Rube and
or Trump supporter. If you feel that way, I will
say this the I love when karma works. So the
tweet of the day yesterday happened during the Chiefs Texans game.
The game is ten to ten. A pass is caught
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by Rashi Rice and he is absolutely destroyed by a
Texan defender that I'm not sure the name of NFL
Memes at NFL Underscore Memes Rights. Rashi Rice finally under
finally understands what it feels like to get unexpectedly hit
at a high rate of speed and have the man
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responsible leave the scene. This is the public shaming he deserves.
And when I talk about kar Moms, I loved hearing
stories about how OJ Simpson would be stopped on the
golf course somebody walk up and shake his hand, as
I've always wanted to meet a double murderer. So he
was publicly shamed for many years up until his death.
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He died a miserable human being, and that's good. He
killed two people. Rashi Rice didn't kill anybody, thankfully. But
he thinks he got away with something. And when people
think they get away with things, that is when I
want karma to kick in times ten. And I will
say this. He dropped a pass later on in the game,
a crucial pass on fourth down, and I want to
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say it's because he was hearing footsteps. I want to
say he was because he had alligator arms from this
hit that he received earlier in the game. Again, all
this is great. I love when good things happen to
good people, and I love when bad things happen to
bad people.
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Stug Gottlieb show Fox Sports Trade a little Love and hate.
I was Sam Well.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
I love the Packers win over the Bears.
Speaker 9 (28:04):
Last year, the Packers struggled in the NFC North to
win divisional games. This year, they're four and oh a
great battle between the Bears and the Packers. It just looks,
you know, when it looked like the Packers were kind
of pulling away, the Bears made it a game, tied
it up, and it was a battle until the last
you know, thirty seconds or so. So as a Packer fan,
love to see this very competitive division. Maybe not as
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stacked as like the NFC West, but you have three
teams with winning records. It's tough. This will only make
the Packers better. Love that they pulled this out in
the waning seconds.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
M okay, I'll get to get to my love. I
love the Big Ten Championship game. I did. I love
the Big Ten Championship Game. I felt like both teams
played like they cared. And the fact that don't give
me that buyers buyers doing the.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
Totally they didn't. It was Indiana Super Bowl. I mean,
it's nothing Bowl on the game. Something they didn't care.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Hold on if a whiest they didn't care when they
have gone for a touchdown there instead of kicked the
field goal at the end of the game. Yeah, maybe
just get out of here, try to win. Yeah maybe, okay, uh,
But the bigger part of that game that I really
liked was the fact that nothing is ever a sure
bet with college kickers, right, Like it's a cliche, but
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it is absolutely cliche because it's been proven true over time.
You like college kickers. Don't get me wrong, NFL kickers
will miss them too, But that one't seem because the
same kicker byer, wasn't he making bank shots in warm
ups where he's kicking it yeah, Like he's so good,
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so good that he can literally I'm gonna hit it
off the left, upright, and then knock it in in
warm ups like he's good. And then the pressure of
winning a Big ten chance or sending it to overtime
Big ten championship, and then he lines up and just
pulls it wide left, and it's just one of those.
At some point you understand why they're in college not
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in the pros. It doesn't mean the pros don't miss them,
but they don't miss those ones. They just don't. I mean,
I mean unless you're the Minnesota Vikings against the Seahawks
and the playoffs outdoors that was like a decade ago,
maybe a little bit more. But for the most part,
they don't miss those, and college kickers live down sometimes
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those reputations you do, and you do still even though
they're getting paid now, you still feel bad for the kid.
Like man, he's still a kid like getting paid.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
Yeah, he missed two field goes last year against Michigan,
And I think this is the issue, Like you want
to talk about an achilles heel, it's what happens if
Ohio State has to go down and make a kick
and in that situation, I actually think that's what Ryan
Day wanted to see. All right, let's see what we've
got here, and he completely shanked it. It's nothing. I'm
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not trying to anybody off the hook. It's a weird
angle at that point, but you got to make that kick,
like there is no doubt about that.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Can we talk about Brenana Mendoza for a one second.
He won the night with the SoundBite. I do have
a thought about this. So he's obviously more Kirk Cousins
than like Joe Montana. Like Joe Montana was a cool guy.
He was the guy in high school that all the
guys wanted to be, all the women wanted to be with.
Right the Tom Brady obviously, Fernando Mendoza's and the Kirk
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Cousins of Nerdery. He's a complete goober and he won
the night in the post game up interview by doing
this right.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Oh, congratulations Indiana the Big ten champs.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
How does that sound?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
It sounds so beautiful.
Speaker 8 (31:46):
I want to give all the glory to God.
Speaker 9 (31:47):
We're never supposed to be in the decision before the
glory God, the great coach.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Is, great teams we have around us.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
We were able to pull this off.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Whoever thought who should be here?
Speaker 8 (31:56):
But now the who just or flipping champs.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
I will say this so the last person that was
this exuberant and gouberish forever lost his place in the
pre presidential candidacy.
Speaker 10 (32:09):
We're going to California and Texas and New York, and
we're going to South Dakota and Oregon and Washington and Michigan,
and then we're going to Washington. See you to take
back in the White House.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
I'll tell you what Kurt Signetti saying on the podium
that his biggest goal is to now to get this
team down from this high in the next three and
a half weeks. That is a true statement. That is
a one hundred percent true statement. They get, yeah, you
you have to because I'm telling you in all of
those sound bites and everything that we've heard, like that
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was the deal. Last year they lost at Ohio State.
It was a closer game than had actually the score indicated.
Indiana had a couple of miscues on special teams that
cost them. But like for Indiana to show that they're
still unbeaten, that to your point that they're number one
and tobid o Higre State in the Big Ten Championship
game is their ultimate goal now to try to reset
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and try to win a national championship.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
That will not be easy, I'll tell you. Plus I
mean either Bama or Ou in the Rose Bowl. Yeah,
and the difference here is now, look, these are new
Bama guys, these are new Ou guys, and Indiana has
they went and won the Big Ten Championship. They won
and won in Austin, and they spent a lot of money, Like,
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let's not shut themselves. They probably have the second or
third biggest budget of anybody playing. Like Mendoza was at
Col last year, he was good at Col. Now he's
on a loaded team. But Bama or Ou playing in
the Rose Bowl, even though it's a weird Rose Bull
usually Big Ten it feels like every game in the
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SEC is like that again, I don't know coming off
and whoever they play is going to come off a
win as well, so they'll have their confidence coming in
off a win. They got a week, they got two
weeks off before they play. I'm with you, it's really
really hard to get him back, get him back right.
Good thing is, you got a lot of time. Bad
thing is sometimes time is not actually your inter favor.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
Did you guys?
Speaker 9 (34:15):
Hear Kurt Signetti though, where he was like, and I
got my waists. He's like to humble and get the
guys hungry and humble again. He's like, we got to
get their head right. We gotta get him down from
this cloud. And I have my ways, and I'm just
wondering what those ways are. Like, we're talking what five
am kinda I don't know, drills and conditioning and just get.
Speaker 8 (34:34):
That joy out of you. We gotta get hungry again.
I don't know. I just I have my waist. It's
caught that little bit.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Anyway, let's get to what we hated from the weekend.
We'll start with the resident hater, Jason Stewart.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
I hate the San Francisco Giants, and I hate any
player that gets into the Hall of Fame from the
Giants that did it on farcical numbers. It was it
was told to us that the something called the National
Baseball Hall of Fame contemporary air voters voted Jeff Kent
into the Hall of Fame. Now, he was not voted
in the traditional way by the people that matter, the
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sports writers and the people that decide these things, So
he got in through the back door by this field
called contemporary era voters. If you take out the numbers
that he had with the Giants, he's not a Hall
of Famer, even if you include the numbers with the
Giants and the context that he batted behind a guy
that had a five hundred op on base percentage for
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his time there with the Giants because he was very
much on roids. I think that those things are the
underreported people in the Hall of Fame discussion, not the
actual people that were caught doing steroids or we know
very much that they did steroids, But how about the
players that were helped around them that their numbers are
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inflated because of them. Jeff Kent was the benefactor of
the worst cheater in the history of the game. He
should not be rewarded with the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Love it? Uh damn byer.
Speaker 7 (36:05):
Yeah, just on the heels of that too as well.
Like everybody wants Dale Murphy in right, Like, just put
him in. Guess what the Hall of Fame is for
the fans as well. It's not like he's unworthy. He
has a resume of it, uh to back it up
of being in the Hall of Fame. Yes, I'll say this.
I hate the first round of the college football Playoff.
(36:25):
I hate it. Oklahoma, great, they beat Alabama. Now they
gotta beat him again the first round.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
Yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
Yeah, it stinks. Hey, guess what we get to see
two Lane and Ole Miss again. Just the reason that
we were so excited for a college football playoff in
the first place, right, seeing all these schools going to
different parts and hosting games. Nobody ever said I want
to see two Lane and Ole Miss. Something else. No
one ever said I want to see James Madison at Oregon. Like,
this first round of the playoff is awful and it's Yeah,
(36:55):
it stinks. Figure out a better way to do it.
But because there's going to be no momentum until New
year's eve in January first, for this playoff, the NFL
is going to slaughter college football in that opening weekend.
That's what I hated.
Speaker 9 (37:13):
Revived my memory here, Dan, Tulane and ole Miss played
already this earlier this year. Yes, oh yeah, that's Rematches
like that are not it's hard to get excited for. Listen,
nobody really cares about this game because it's a bowl
game and not in the playoff. But Iowa's draw for
the reliah Quest Bowl on December thirty first, at nine
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am Pacific time, twelve Eastern. They're taking on a team
that was snubbed, not snub but on the periphery of
the playoff in Vanderbilt. Not thrilled about this matchup. Diego
Pavia is playing. This is a really really good ten
and two Vanderbilt team that put up points and can't
say that I'm super thrilled about the Relia Quest Bowl
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at Raymond James Stadium and IOWA taking on a Vanderbilt
team that I guess has a fire under their butt.
I would assume, maybe not, maybe it's the other on
the opposite who knows, who knows, but they're a really
good team.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Dan there did you guys see the video of Diego
Pavia taking his offensive lineman to the UFC fight in
Vegas every weekend. I saw, I saw a caption I
think I sent to you guys if Axe Body Spray
was a person, that's so good.
Speaker 9 (38:25):
Listen, man, I'm a little worried that Axe Body Spray
personified is gonna run up and down on Iowa. So
see he was laughing then, but that was that was funny.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, I'm gonna give you my hate. I hate all
these idiots are like cut Cob Sheets got it in
for said school because he worked for ESPN and he's
an sec walk. I'm also gonna point out that we
have people who work for us on Fox Sports Trading
and Fox Sports that are like, Oh, the ESPN guys
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are anti Notre Dame. That's what they are because Notre
Dame is on a different network.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Some of Notre Dame's games are on ESPN. And I
don't want to tell you this, but Notre Dame rates
way better than a lot of college football programs. They
would love to have Notre Dame in the college football playoffs.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
You sound like one of those basement dwelling what was
called conspiracy theorists who don't believe anything is real. Hey,
don't believe anything is real? Do people bring in their
own inherent biases about their conference versus others? Of course,
(39:40):
that's why when you have a committee, you gotta spread
out in terms of what conferences, what schools are represented.
But this idea that people on TV like a kirk okay,
now that when you're covering a game, most guys I
didn't do this, but most guys become like shills. It'll
happen in March. We know this, Dan, when you watch
the NCCH tournament, like everybody hills for the league, like, oh,
(40:02):
the Big twelve, second twenty five teams in Like, dude,
I get that the Big twelve wants you to do
their games, but you can't be that disingenuous. But again,
just the idea that networks, like a network like ESPN
doesn't want Notre Dame in is quite frankly, the stupidest
thing I've ever heard in my life. Everybody wants Notre
Dame on TV because people watch Notre Dame on TV.
(40:24):
Maybe not the same as they used to, but go
and look over the last ten years, the highest rated
games in college football. Alabama's like one, Texas right there,
and then Notre Dame's right there in third along with
Ohio State, Like those are the big ones. So this
idea that networks have it out for your school is
just dumb. It's just dumb. It doesn't work that way,
(40:47):
or it's never worked that way. What do I know?
I just did twenty years of television at three different
networks and never once was like, hey guys, we got
to talk about the school because we have their conference
on our network more than anybody else. That's love an eight.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
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Speaker 1 (41:13):
Does anybody else? And I know if you're listening on
the pod, you're like, why are you talking about Elvis?
But if you listen on the radio show, by the way,
get download the podcast anytimes Doug Gottlip Show Fox Sports
Radio Show in its entirety appears in the podcasts. When
you hear a song like this, which is here comes
Santa Claus by Elvis Presley Dan Byr, do you do
(41:34):
the Elvis loop thing just like automatically, just kind of
try and do it just to do it.
Speaker 7 (41:38):
I'm sure it comes natural to many. You know that
response immediate.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Sure, the the West Texas hiccup right is part of
that song. I don't know if very many men knows
who who who invented that one. We can we can
do a little old old country Western trivia if you'd like.
In the near future. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. What we learn from this weekend
(42:07):
Schador Sanders, What we learn from Packers Bears, What we
learn from the Kansasy Chiefs losing. Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Let's get you to Tom Telesco.
He joined just He's the former Chargers and Raiders general manager,
and he joins us every Monday and tells this what
we really really should know from this past weekend. Let's
(42:28):
work backwards Packers Bears. Now that we've seen the Bears
in the past two games against playoff caliber competition, what's
your read on how good the Bears actually are.
Speaker 6 (42:43):
I definitely think they're a playoff team, and I think
yesterday you could see they really are a team like
Capital Letters team and not a team that just is
going to rely on their quarterback to bail them out
when they have to. I mean, they have an identity
on offense, especially with the running game. Their offensive line
has been strong, the defense has played well. So I
thought that was really for both teams, the Packers and
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the Bears. There's a lot of positive that came out
of that game. But from the Bear standpoint, they just
have a real identity, which in the playoffs you need.
And obviously in the playoffs there's a good chance you're
going to play in the elements, and they can do
that with with their running game. And then I know
Caleb has not been as consistent as you would like,
but when they need to play, he can put he
can put his cap on when he has to make
(43:27):
a playoffside the pocket. He saw that yesterday. So I
was really impressed with the Bears, and I think as
he moved down the stretch this month, as they kind
of keep improving on offense in the passing game, which
they're going to have to do. But I thought they
went toe to toe with the Packers and and I
think you know both are going to be strong in
the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Okay, Chador Sanders, you were really impressed two weeks ago
this week, what's your impression.
Speaker 6 (43:53):
Yeah, I still am And I know a lot of
people probably didn't watch this game beginning to end, but
I did. And and you know, I understand the Titans
on defense, they're not great except for Jeffrey Simmons. But
on the flip side, the Browns offense, they don't have
a lot around Shador Sanders either. Their offensive line is
below average at best. And you know they have two rookies,
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Harold Fan and the kish On Jenkins. Those two guys
are studs on offense, but other than that, they don't
have a lot. And I thought she did play outstanding.
I thought he stood in versus a rush. He can
take hits and deliver the ball. He showed really excellent accuracy,
and he can fetter the ball really when he has
to with touch, especially down in the red zone. He
showed down the one touchdown throw. He can put pace
(44:34):
on the ball when he has to, and he can
see the improvement as far as stepping up in the pocket.
The only one to throw the ball away, and you know,
he had a bad interception that he should have thrown away,
which kind of reminds you that, look, he's still a
rookie quarterback, but overall playing in tough conditions. You know,
he's almost four hundred yards of offense, four touchdowns. I
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just thought he was really impressive really from the beginning
to end, and you're seeing the development there and it
is great that we can see him hopefully the next
four games to see if he keeps improving. But I
thought you need a lot a lot of NFL throws yesterday.
That looks like a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Stet Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. What about
cam Ward? If we redrafted this thing, would he still
going tober one overall?
Speaker 6 (45:18):
That's a good question because what you see, you see,
all the flashes you saw on college you still see
right now in the NFL. It's just feud and far between.
But what the hard part is with cam and the
same thing with Shador to a certain extent too, they
don't have enough talent around them yet. There's a reason
why the Titans were picking that high in the first place,
and offensive line skill positions, but they've had some injuries,
(45:38):
obviously the head coaching change. He's in a real tough
spot right now, but you can see that athletic ability.
You can see the quick twitch, the way he gets
the ball out, and yeah, he still has all the
traits to be a top starting, starting quarterback in the NFL,
but he needs a lot more talent around him to
get there. It's going to take them a couple of
years probably to get enough talent there. But yeah, you
(45:59):
can still see that he probably would be He probably
still would be still first pick in the draft if
we did this all over again.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Stug otleb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Tom Telesco
is our guest. Of course, Tom was the GM of
the Raiders last year. Before that, eleven years the GM
of the San Diego and then La Chargers. Okay, some
post mortem on some teams who are quickly playing their
way out of the playoffs. I repeat, what is wrong
(46:26):
with Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 6 (46:28):
I don't think much wrong with with Lamar. I'm not
so much concerned about him. I mean, I think he
had some injuries the last month that probably slowed them
down a little bit. But just as a team, they've
been disappointing this year. Now, the beginning of the year,
their whole team, they were decimated with injuries. That kind
of come over that hump. But they just haven't. They
haven't gotten it going and really either side of the ball.
And they've got some ischues on offense right now. They've
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got they're built to run the ball, and they still
run the ball well. But their two offensive guards are
big power guards, but they're not great and pospit that's
showing up a lot, and Lamar's had to move around
a lot more than you would like. And just the
skill positions at receivers, they flowers can only do so much.
You need some other compliment. And they don't throw the
ball a lot to be outside to the other receivers,
(47:13):
just don't a lot of targets. You know, it's mostly
the tight ends in the middle of the field. So
you know, the offense is just a little bit stagnant
right now, but Lamar is Lamar to me, I don't
see a decline in his play. And then defensively, their
defensive front was the one part that I thought would
be a concern this year. It's been a bigger concern
that I had anticipated. Their backstep is still very good,
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but they've got some things in the offseason to work on.
There there's Sarah Tayler Linderbaum, which is outstanding player. He's
a free agent. They got to figure out the guard situation,
and they've got to have to have some more skill
outside to go as they flowers, just to give Lamar
some more options.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Tom Gelasco is our guest on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
How do you explain what's happened to Pat Mahomes in
that offense?
Speaker 6 (47:54):
Again, it's been really they've played the same way all year,
even the games they've won. It's just been a ryan
They just can't manufacture any big plays, which is hard
to imagine because they do have some speed at receiver.
They still have Mahomes, obviously, they have Andy Reid, who's,
you know, one of the best play callers in the league.
It's the big issue, and it's been an issue for
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a number of years, even when they're going to Super Bowls.
It's been the offensive wrying to tackle at full spots
and now they're playing with backups in those positions. That's
been an issue. But you know, when you have long
play drives, it takes you a long time to move
the ball down the field. It just increases your odds
and making a mistake, and they're just making more mistakes
than they ever have, and it's sometimes as snowballs players
that usually don't make them. There's a lot of drops,
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a lot of missed assignments. The defense, which has really
held in a lot of games the last couple of years,
hasn't been as strong, especially on third downs and not
getting off the field as much as they used to.
But again, I don't see this as a Mahomes problem,
but this is probably gonna have to be a reset.
You know, this is a lot of years they've been
picking very low in the draft and making a run
every year and bringing in some free agencies and trades
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for more on short term basis. But this may be
a little bit of a recent this year to get
a little bit younger on the defensive front, and you know,
just really start retool that offensive line, especially the tackle positions,
to get for home a little bit more time.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Stuck out Leap show here on Fox Sports, trader Tom
Telesco is our guest. You are uniquely qualified for these
next couple questions, right because you you very much lived this.
Let's start with the Indianapolis Colts. They they lost Daniel
Jones for the year with I don't know has it
been reported as an achilles or we know it's it
(49:30):
looks like a torn achilles, right, Okay, so the torn achilles? Okay,
you've worked with Shane stike in before. You actually was
interim offensive coordinator for a year before he left and
went to went to Philly, Right, who do you? Who
do you? How does it work right? Here?
Speaker 6 (49:47):
We are?
Speaker 1 (49:48):
We're December eighth. You've been in a similar situation where
I got to find a quarterback here you know who's
on the street, and I got a potential playoff team?
What's this? What's the process?
Speaker 4 (49:59):
Like?
Speaker 1 (50:00):
How does it work.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
Well? At this point? Since you're past the trade deadline,
you're really your only chance is gonna have to be
somebody from your own roster at at this point, unless
you just get lucky and there's a quarterback who's on
the street who's been in a Shane STEAKSTI like an
offense before, I'd have to look it up for the
chances they are slim, So well call.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Philip Rivers, get him out of retirement, or or or
you go any of the Philly backups when he was there,
I guess is the only other ones?
Speaker 6 (50:27):
Yeah, I don't know if you've seen Philip recently. I
mean he's coaching high school football. Think they're right now,
so I think that may not work. But look, I
think as as third quarterbacks go, and hopefully he's healthy,
but Riley Leonard, you could do worse than Riley Leonard
because what he has a side strength and athletic ability.
He could make some plays with his feet. And Shane's
very creative with the offensive scheme, and you're gonna have
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to rely on Jonathan Taylor, and that's you're gonna see
a lot of Jonathan Taylor. Their offensive line is excellent
now with Riley Leonard. It was the same thing at
Duke because it wasn't Notre Dame look as a pastor
the city in making accuracy. It's not quite NS already yet.
But he's a big time athlete and he's a leader.
So he does give them a fighting chance with their
offensive line with Jonathan Taylor and with Shane Stichen. But
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at this point, with four weeks ago in the year,
to go outside your team to find a quarterback to
come in and start very highly unlikely.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Okay, Torod Taylor was your starter. You had drafted, you know,
you had drafted a guy who has now become an
absolute star for the for the La Chargers, right and
Justin Herbert. So Justin Herbert just had surgery on his hand,
and I guess he's gonna play. Before we get to Herbert,
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what was that like during his first start as the
general manager when you found out about the injection gone
wrong for Torod Taylor?
Speaker 6 (51:51):
Absolutely incredible because where I was up in the in
the suite break before kickoff and none of us do
what had happened? And all happened to right the four
kickoff obviously within like thirty seconds to a minute, and
we see Justin run onto the field and we're looking
at each other like, hey, you guys kind of holding
(52:13):
this back at a secret like absolutely not. So I looked
down and I thought Tarrod Taylor on the bench. I
saw them walking to Rod into the locker room, and honestly,
my first thought was what's wrong with Tarrod? So that
so I was on the phone with the doctors downstairs
in the locker room through that situation. Out. I missed
the whole first series that Justin drove us down for
a score against Kansas City. Missed the whole thing because
we're trying to figure out with Tarrod Taylor where he
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was and it was he okay. But the interesting whole
thing about that situation was this was the COVID year,
so there were no preseason games. There were no live
scrimmages against any other teams in the preseason. So Justin's
teammates and as coaches had never seen him play live.
They've seen him throw the ball in practice, they've seen
him you know, in a practice setting, but never live.
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So his first play in that huddle was the first
time that had ever seen him play live football. And
Jim drive us down put a score in the end zone.
Was pretty cool. But situation obviously something I've never seen
of or been part of before, but it was kind
of a surreal experience.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
All right, So tonight, what are your expectations? Philly doesn't
have their best pass rusher, but still a dynamic defensive
line against the Chargers team that has sort of stabilizer
offensive line, but you know, down their two starting tackles
for the year, it's not great. They've been able to somehow,
you know, get it to this point at eight and four.
What do you think of the matchup?
Speaker 6 (53:29):
I think the biggest thing tonight is Omurray and Hampton
back in the lineup. He's a big time running back.
He's big, he's powerful, he runs with an identity with
his physicalness. But he also has some speed if you
can get out in space to finish run. So they're
gonna have to run the ball as well as they
can tonight. He's gonna give them a big jump, a
big boost. I think I want to see how Justin
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Herbert maneuver is in the like just with handoffs with
this left hand Rayhn, how he's going to do that.
The play as should pass where they work on their
center at all, we'll all be out of shotgun. I'm
assuming it'll be on a shotgun, but we'll not tonight.
But I think Canton could be a big part of this.
It's a playoff game for the Chargers, no doubt. Eagles.
I think they're good. They'll still be in but AFC
is a little bit jumbled up right now. This is
a big time game for the Chargers tonight.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
Awesome stuff, Tom, have a great weekend. Hope you had
a happy Thanksgiving and a merry Christmas to you and
your entire family. Thanks for our guests.
Speaker 6 (54:19):
You've got to Doug any time, take care
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having a great day. At an unbelievable weekend, Right, big
time college football, time pro football, we got a lot
to talk about. We had a lot to talk about it.
I mean, I don't even know because the sports counter
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is so weird, right, Like mondays are really hard to
talk about college football. We're gonna start by talking about
college football, but we're not going to talk about the
fact that Ohio States kicker missed like a two yard
field goal to tie the Big Ten Championship game, which
is a stunner. And Indiana and Kurt Signetti literally called
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his shot, called his shot two years ago when he
got and he's done it. It's remarkable. And yet I
and Indiana is the number one seed. It's not really
where we want to go with it. But I just
I want you to take a snapshot. I don't know
if there is any more kind of bizarro sign of
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the times and how college sports is evolving in that
Indiana when we finally have a college football tournament, if
you will, is the number one seed. And they played
Ohio State and Big Ten Championship they played at Oregon
won both those games. They're undefeated, right, They did beat
Penn State. Granted it was after Penn State lost its quarterback,
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lost its coach, but whatever, they won those games. Indiana
is the number one team in the country and the
regular season is complete. That is if that is crazy
crazy crazy h but it's not the topic of the day.
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It remains in the state of Indiana. It's the fact
that No, Tra Dame is not in the College Wall Playoff,
is not in the College Wall Playoff. Why is that? Well,
I mean, do we really need to to put it
out there? The college football Playoff, which of course was
announced yesterday, and the College twelve playoff bracket is out
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and James Madison is in. James Madison is in, Tulane
is in. Both of them are losing their coaches. Here's
where we as media, we just wear the worst, right
like James Madison and or as fans, you're the worst.
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James Madison and Tulane they've both lost their coaches and
yet they're still playing in the Collegewell Playoff. And it
wasn't made to a big deal that their coaches are
coaching their team in the College Wall Playoff. But Obyss
it was made into a massive, massive deal. And Lane
Kiffin can't coach, but his head, his offensive coordator, Charlie
Weise junior can coach. But we're here. Don't kid yourself.
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We're here because we're trying to be fair in a
completely unfair sport. That's what we're trying to do. We're
trying to be fair in an unfair sport. That's the
reality of it. The reality. It's not to say that
Tulane and James Madison couldn't win a game, but there
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is literally point zero zero zero zero zero zero zero
one percent they could win three games, and no one
disagrees with me. And they're not built for that. They
just are not. Because the attrition of every game in
a college football playoff is going to be so great
that by the time if they could ever even get
to the semi finals, it'd be hard for them to
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field a team. And because those two spots are taken
by automatic qualifiers from the we call it the Power five,
which again it's kind of laughable. We call it the
Power five when you got the Power four, but it's
not even really the Power four. It's really the power too,
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and then the next two and then everybody else that.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
What it is. So, because we want so badly to
replicate the NCAA tournament where we have this Cinderella even
though the sports are very very different, we jam into
teams that they've had great seasons, they've been great turnaround stories,
and they have good talent. Soil of Jeames Madison's not good. Now,
the two lane's not good. They're just not one of
the twelve best teams in the country, and no one's
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really arguing that. So when you're trying to play to
different masters, if you will, Hey, we're trying to find
the twelve best teams. But we got to get these
teams in that we know don't really belong with that group.
But how do we make it all work? This is
what we come up with. And it's really interesting. What
I'm going to say I know to be true. Nobody's
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told me to say it. Nobody said, hey, you know,
help us down here talk about Notre Dame because you
went there. I went there and I had to leave,
So I have no I do have a love for DOTIM.
I think it's a spectacular place, special place. But it's
not because of that. It's because I live in the
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real world of college athletics that I'm gonna tell you.
Notre Dame has said and done everything exactly the way
I would do it. They have every right to be
pested at the ACC, every right, every single right to
be ticked off at the ACC, and they're smart to
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not playing a bowl game because they're saving us all
from inevitably saying, well, Notre Dame, should they have been in?
Should they not be in? Let's see how they play
in the bowl game. When half the guys don't play.
It's like the Florida State thing. Florida State should I
didn't think they should have got into college wall playoff
two years ago, but they didn't have their quarterback, and
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then half the guys don't play. Then they lose in
the bowl game, and they're like, see, Florida State's a phony,
Like no, they I didn't think they were good enough,
but half their guys didn't play. The bowl games have
gone away. The only thing there really there for now
is guys that want to put something on tape to leave,
or guys that are freshmen. They're gonna get a shot
in the bowl game and they wouldn't get a shot otherwise.
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And you're trying to develop your culture while having a
great trip. But the bowl games no longer mean anything,
and Notre Dame actually separated themselves as a serious college
fotball program. Hey, we're just in to win a championship.
We got to the finals last year. We lost two
close games this year, felt like we should have probably
beat A and M didn't do it, got left out.
We're not gonna fake it and go to a bowl
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game when that's not what we're playing for and that's
not what anybody cares about it anymore. And half the
players don't play anymore, and we're not gonna be judged
on our season when half of our team is not
gonna play in a meaningless bowl game. And even if
they do play in the bowl game, won their risk injury.
Notre Dame has had that a traumatic injury about a
decade ago in the Cotton Bowl. And then two I
think they had won to Copley last year actually in
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the College Wall Playoff, they had a big injury in
the in the game against Indiana. And then two who
they play against, maybe even they have guys. The team
they play against probably gonna half their guys. So what
are we doing? I don't know everything about college athletics,
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even coaching in college athletics, but I do know what
Pete Bavakua said is true. Like there's some unwritten rules
that everybody knows about conferences, Right, you can criticize somebody
within your own conference. Dan's a gigantic Big Ten fan,
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so he can talk trash on well, Michigan may be
the one that he doesn't care if everybody talks trash about,
but generally don't say anything bad about the Big Ten
or my Big Ten brethren, because on some level he's
an Ohio State fan. Right as an Ohio State fan.
If you take shots at the league, that kind of
takes shots at the credibility of the program. It's just
not done. Just not done. You know, I'm in the
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Horizon League, and even though our commissioner has left, it's
a vacated position. I know enough to go. I'm not
going to criticize any other program or what they do
how they do because they're in our league. That's your conference, brethren.
Here's Peter Vaka earlier today, he was on with Dan Patrick.
He had this to say about the ACC.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
We're frustrated with the process, not the teams. They're all
great teams, and it's a bunch of teams. BYU has
a great argument, Texas, Vanderbilt, Miami, Alabama, Notre Dame. We
all have great arguments. It's the process that bothers us.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Well, those ranking shows bother me, Pete, because well They bother.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Me too, because you know, if we just said, well,
if we had assembled as a team on Sunday and
rankings hadn't told us for the previous weeks, we're in.
We're in, we're in. Take care of business, take care
of business. And hey, you know what, Notre Dame. You're
eleven and now you're going to get squeezed out because
of the conference tie ins and Miami beat you, and hey,
I get it. But these ranking shows, as I said yesterday,
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like what's the point why kind of send the signals
and get the hopes up of these of these teams,
these coaches, these kids on the team that believe they're
doing everything necessary. And then, like I said, it just
felt in that room a collective sense of the rug
being taken out from under us without any explanation that
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I've heard Dan that has me feeling better about it.
I have tremendous respect for Miami, you know, the great team,
great school, but we were mystified by the actions of
the conference to attack you know, their biggest really business
partner in football and a member of their conference in
twenty four of our other sports. I wouldn't be honest
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with you if I didn't say that. They have certainly
done permanent damage to the relationship between the conference and
Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I will point out that while I believe he's right,
and I'm going to give him a pass because I
don't think that he manages Notre Dame's social media, Notre
Dame on Saturday, when the Big twelve Championship game was
being played, they posted the logo of Texas Tech on
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Notre Dame's social media sites. Okay, now that doesn't mean
they don't have to. It's the they're Catholic, they don't
have to support Mormons. They can say whatever they want
about respecting BYU and their opponents or whatever. That was
a little gamesmanship. We're cheering for, you know, we're cheering
for Texas Tech because if Texas Tech wins, we feel
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like we're in, which is what most people thought. Only
it didn't happen that way. So there is a slight
lack of professionalism, and I will totally grant you. And
at a school that big, that prestigious, I'm guessing Pete
Vavaqua doesn't manage or micro manage the social media handle
of the football program. But there was a little little there.
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Now but now BYU's not a conference brethren, not a
conference foe. They do occasionally play Notre Dame in a series,
and so maybe that goes out the window. I don't know.
What I do know is he's right, the ACC you
can't do it the overall overwhelming support of well they're
a full time member, Like, come on, man, what are
we doing here? You know, if Miami is good enough,
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Miami's good enough, it doesn't have to be Miami versus
Notre Dame. I would also point out that the constant
reruns of Miami Notre Dame on the ACC network is
not under the control of the ACC. It's really under
the control of ESPN. And oh yeah, by the way,
it's kind of brilliant. Play the best games, see you
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watch them all over again, because there's been a lot
of bad games this year in college football. But you
can't give support to one and not the other. You
don't criticize or take shots at anybody who's in any
way associated with your conference. You just don't do that.
You just don't do that. Said the Doug Gotlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Tradio. I think they're right. I
think the ACC was wrong. I think they belonged in.
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I don't know about not hearing a you know, not
hearing an explanation. I think you know the explanation. They
took the they took the the tulane, and they got
squeezed out. Tulane and JMU they got squeezed out. That's
the I don't think that's the problem with process. I
think that's the problem with the fact that we were
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trying to be fair in a completely unfair system, in
an unfair sport. They don't let you go like, hey, Alabama,
you're way better than this opponent, so you got to
play with ten guys because that's fair. They don't do that.
They don't say, hey, Ohio State, you have thirty million
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in nil. This school you're playing only has five, so
you're not gonna be able to play guys. That twenty
five extra million. You can't play guys. It's an unfair sport,
especially the attrition of it. So we're trying to make
it fair by putting JMU in there and probably putting
Tulane in there doesn't make any sense, and it is not.
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It is actually unfair to the idea of we're trying
to find the twelve best teams. Either try and find
the twelve best teams or or make it fair. And
i'd say fair with the air quotes from friends fair.
And if you make it fair, you're not going to
have the twelve best teams, which is what you have here,
which is what you have here. And oh yeah, by
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the way, it does give credence to what we've all
all said is it doesn't matter if you have two teams,
four teams, six teams, eight teams, twelve teams, sixteen teams.
Whoever is team three? If you're going for two back
in the day, five, when you're going for four, thirteen,
when you're going for twelve, seventeen and eighteen, and you
going for sixteen, they're all going to be ticked, and
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they're all going to have legitimate arguments and somebody won't
get in. But in this case, Notre Dame, they're not wrong.
They have every right to be ticked to the acc
and they're smart to not play in a bowl game,
which is completely and utterly meaningless and the only thing
it can do is cap off what was a great
season with a loss with half your team when it
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just feels like it doesn't feel like a real football game.
The bull season was killed with the college full of
playoff expansion. That's just the reality of it. Everybody knows it,
and oder on to Dame is owning it, owning it.
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Sports Radio. Hmm, I got a lot of good stuff
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on the a rish Let me do this. Okay, we'll
get to love and hate in one second. Here's what
I'm gonna do Okay, I'm going to tell you really
quickly why there's a narrative out there. And I heard
Colin Cowherd. I heard Colin Cowherd talk about Notre Dame
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and how all they had to do was beat A
and M and Florida. Right, remember, freshman starting quarterback. First
two games, lose to Miami in a great game, lose
to A and M and some crazy crazy stuff at
home by one point. They lost by four points two games,
first two games of the season. And there's a lot
of people like, hey, their schedule wasn't good enough. Bull
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you're wrong. Okay, you're wrong. Let me tell you what
their schedule is. SEC team on the road, Big ten
team at home. Excuse me, let's go in order. Okay, Miami,
who's an ACC team? Okay, Remember they play I leave
six ACC games a year. So this whole idea that
they need to join a conference. They have a hybrid
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agreement with the ACC. They're in it for all their
other sports and basically in it except you don't count
it and they can't play in the championship game for
the accre Like I didn't know that. No, Look, it's
brilliant from Notre Dame because it allows them to play
in Florida. That's when they played Miami. Usually they play
in Virginia. Right, They like to play on the Eastern seaboard,
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so take a list in their schedule. They play Miami
on the road hard game. Start the season. They play
A and M at home, who they played and beat
on the road last year. Okay, and A and M
is an elite college football team. They played Purdue at home.
That Purdue is not good, but they're a Big ten team.
That's that's power four, power four, power four. Then they
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go play Arkansas. Now I know Arkansas fell apart fire
their head coach. Okay, and Arkansas the the mantra of
the Hogs is we always almost all we almost always
almost win. Okay, but Arkansas was supposed to be good
this year, and you went on the road to an
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SEC opponent. Feel free to point out for me the
Big Ten or the SEC teams that play the quality
of schedule that Notre Ame plays. You're like, well, these
teams weren't good you It doesn't work that way. It
doesn't work. You can go like, hey, I got these
long contracts with these teams and they're not gonna be
good this year. They played Miami, they played A and M.
They played Purdue, they played Arkansas the road. They played
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Boise State this year. Hey, what how good was Boise
State last year? Oh? That's right, they were in the
College Football Playoff. Then they played NC State. Okay. NC
State's one of those teams that you've forgotten is in
a major conference. There in the ACC part of their
ACC schedule. Then they play USC again. Whether USC is
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great or just good, it's a yearly thing and it's
always a great game. Usc what nine games this year?
Then they played Navy who won nine games. They played
Boston College on the road, Pittsburgh who won I think
Pittsburgh won nine games, eight games, And they played Syracuse
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who started out the year like three to one and
then completely fell apart. And Stanford, who stinks now. But
when the game has been scheduled, first it's for recruiting,
and second, Stanford hadn't all that they've stun to the
last four years. Before that they were really good. The
point is they don't play any rummies, none, zero. Everybody
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else does everybody else, So when people talk about schedule.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
That's because they don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
You can only do so much. They are assigned I
believe six ACC games a year. They played five five
ACC game a year. Okay, they play now Purdue instead
of Michigan in a Big Ten.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
They did a home and home with Arkansas, a home
and home of A and M. That's two SEC teams.
They played Navy every year, they play sc every year,
and they chose to play Boise State granted at home. Okay,
I'm guessing Boise got paid on that deal. That's how
putting a schedule works. If their by game is Boise State,
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if they're paying Boise State a million five to come
in and play, compare that to the bye games of
anybody else. They played elite schedule. Remember Miami after playing
Notre Dame, they played Withthune Cookman. They had a game
where they could rest dudes and work in their younger dudes.
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Notre Dame didn't do that. My problem with strength of schedule,
and look, it's it's really really hard, really hard to
determine strength to schedule. Okay, really hard, but if you
actually go through it, play a really good schedule, really
good you know. And so while they lost to Miami.
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Miami lost to Louisville and to SMU in overtime, which
are better losses. They both beat Pittsburgh Miami one head
to head. Notre Dame's two losses at Miami by three
points first game of the year and home to A
and m who's freaking really good by a point. So
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you are in fact splitting hairs. And again I wouldn't
be critical of Miami's schedule because they played Notre Dame,
but Thune South Florida, Florida, Florida State. That's an incredible
four games, and they had to have one game where
to get right game play your young guys, everybody gets rested.
Notre Dame didn't have that, and with the freshman quarterback,
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they played the toughest games the first two games of
the year. Let's get to love and hate from the weekend.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
What did you love?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
God?
Speaker 5 (22:06):
I love you and what did you hate?
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Need these player Hays.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Doug Otlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio love love, love, hate,
hate hate. Let's find out what our love A boy
Dan Byer loved about the week.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
I would love to continue this discussion about Notre Dame
with you. I don't know if this show wants to
do that, but now we do that. I just I
are you just throwing out the head to head game
like I'm not.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I'm not. I'm not. I'm saying it's really really close,
and I'm saying that I'm simply picking apart the idea
of a schedule. Okay, the gross mischaracterization of a schedule
could because people on the outside truly don't know how
it works. Like you don't have the ability to manipulate
your schedule nearly as much as people want to want
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you to believe. Ohio State, on the other hand, Okay,
they play a big ten schedule. It's nine games they
played text who they didn't have to play. That's ten
really tough games. There are other two games they played,
Grambling and Ohio. You right, So again, it's all different
ways to get to it. What you can control, what
you can't control. Notre Dame has control over like three
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of their games on a yearly basis, the rest the
sixth the ACC, right, or five the ACC You have
Stanford Navy sc Right, that's nine. That's their nine game,
that's essentially their nine conference games and the other games
they played, and maybe I don't know how how long
the Purdue contract is, right, because they seem to play
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them every year. But the point is that the games
that they could control. Everybody thinks they're independent, they're not.
They have games set and then you have to work
around those games and try and manipulate them and give
your dudes a break.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
They do, and but this is the problem, and this
is the problem with college football, is we look at
Texas A and M and say, yeah, look at Texas
A and M, and look at what they did this year.
Look at what Texas A and M did this year. Right, No,
they didn't. And part of the problem with that is
of these conferences being so big that now you're rehashing
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and you're trying to turn over opponents and you're getting
weaker schedules. In Notre Dame's case, they got a season
where the only really strong ACC team that could help
their case was Miami, and they lost that game. So
the rest of the conference thinks. But even in Texas
A and M's case, like Vanderbilt, played a tougher schedule.
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The game that Texas A and M ended up beating
Notre Dame doug Honestly, that two point conversion could have
been the difference between the Aggies making it into the
postseason or not. And I don't think that that's talked
about enough about Notre Dame and at least the chances
that they had where they could have beaten Miami, they
could have gotten the stop against Texas A and M
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And if you make a play on that conversion, I
think it's a completely different story. So I get it
people took shots at Penn State not being good, and
so Indiana and Ohio State strength of schedule wasn't good
after the James Franklin firing. Are those that win against
Penn State wasn't as strong as a victory. That's sometimes
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the way that the cookie crumbles. And I actually just
blame more of what's going on in college sports in
terms of now we're looking at resumes. It's like the
point between Texas and Vandy two schools that didn't make it,
was that Texas had five opportunities against high caliber competition.
Vandy had two, and part of the reason was because
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of how that SEC schedule ended up, you know, shaking out.
And so this is not going to be anything new,
and it's probably going to lead to expansion because some
of these conference schedules are so awful. That's my love.
I loved extending that conversation.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Cool Jase Tuo.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I love when karma works. You know, I'm not a
religious person, but I do believe in karma. And I
know Sam's gonna get triggered by this because according to him,
anything that you can't physically prove doesn't exist. So you know, superstitions, God,
and I guess karma all fall under this. You can't
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prove it, so it doesn't exist in your Rube and
or Trump supporter. If you feel that way, I will
say this the I love when karma works. So the
tweet of the day yesterday happened during the Chiefs Texans game.
The game is ten to ten. A pass is caught
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by Rashi Rice and he is absolutely destroyed by a
Texan defender that I'm not sure the name of NFL
Memes at NFL Underscore Memes Rights. Rashi Rice finally under
finally understands what it feels like to get unexpectedly hit
at a high rate of speed and have the man
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responsible leave the scene. This is the public shaming he deserves.
And when I talk about kar Moms, I loved hearing
stories about how OJ Simpson would be stopped on the
golf course somebody walk up and shake his hand, as
I've always wanted to meet a double murderer. So he
was publicly shamed for many years up until his death.
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He died a miserable human being, and that's good. He
killed two people. Rashi Rice didn't kill anybody, thankfully. But
he thinks he got away with something. And when people
think they get away with things, that is when I
want karma to kick in times ten. And I will
say this. He dropped a pass later on in the game,
a crucial pass on fourth down, and I want to
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say it's because he was hearing footsteps. I want to
say he was because he had alligator arms from this
hit that he received earlier in the game. Again, all
this is great. I love when good things happen to
good people, and I love when bad things happen to
bad people.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Stug Gottlieb show Fox Sports Trade a little Love and hate.
I was Sam Well.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
I love the Packers win over the Bears.
Speaker 9 (28:04):
Last year, the Packers struggled in the NFC North to
win divisional games. This year, they're four and oh a
great battle between the Bears and the Packers. It just looks,
you know, when it looked like the Packers were kind
of pulling away, the Bears made it a game, tied
it up, and it was a battle until the last
you know, thirty seconds or so. So as a Packer fan,
love to see this very competitive division. Maybe not as
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stacked as like the NFC West, but you have three
teams with winning records. It's tough. This will only make
the Packers better. Love that they pulled this out in
the waning seconds.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
M okay, I'll get to get to my love. I
love the Big Ten Championship game. I did. I love
the Big Ten Championship Game. I felt like both teams
played like they cared. And the fact that don't give
me that buyers buyers doing the.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
Totally they didn't. It was Indiana Super Bowl. I mean,
it's nothing Bowl on the game. Something they didn't care.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Hold on if a whiest they didn't care when they
have gone for a touchdown there instead of kicked the
field goal at the end of the game. Yeah, maybe
just get out of here, try to win. Yeah maybe, okay, uh,
But the bigger part of that game that I really
liked was the fact that nothing is ever a sure
bet with college kickers, right, Like it's a cliche, but
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it is absolutely cliche because it's been proven true over time.
You like college kickers. Don't get me wrong, NFL kickers
will miss them too, But that one't seem because the
same kicker byer, wasn't he making bank shots in warm
ups where he's kicking it yeah, Like he's so good,
(29:50):
so good that he can literally I'm gonna hit it
off the left, upright, and then knock it in in
warm ups like he's good. And then the pressure of
winning a Big ten chance or sending it to overtime
Big ten championship, and then he lines up and just
pulls it wide left, and it's just one of those.
At some point you understand why they're in college not
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in the pros. It doesn't mean the pros don't miss them,
but they don't miss those ones. They just don't. I mean,
I mean unless you're the Minnesota Vikings against the Seahawks
and the playoffs outdoors that was like a decade ago,
maybe a little bit more. But for the most part,
they don't miss those, and college kickers live down sometimes
(30:31):
those reputations you do, and you do still even though
they're getting paid now, you still feel bad for the kid.
Like man, he's still a kid like getting paid.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
Yeah, he missed two field goes last year against Michigan,
And I think this is the issue, Like you want
to talk about an achilles heel, it's what happens if
Ohio State has to go down and make a kick
and in that situation, I actually think that's what Ryan
Day wanted to see. All right, let's see what we've
got here, and he completely shanked it. It's nothing. I'm
(30:59):
not trying to anybody off the hook. It's a weird
angle at that point, but you got to make that kick,
like there is no doubt about that.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Can we talk about Brenana Mendoza for a one second.
He won the night with the SoundBite. I do have
a thought about this. So he's obviously more Kirk Cousins
than like Joe Montana. Like Joe Montana was a cool guy.
He was the guy in high school that all the
guys wanted to be, all the women wanted to be with.
Right the Tom Brady obviously, Fernando Mendoza's and the Kirk
(31:29):
Cousins of Nerdery. He's a complete goober and he won
the night in the post game up interview by doing
this right.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Oh, congratulations Indiana the Big ten champs.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
How does that sound?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
It sounds so beautiful.
Speaker 8 (31:46):
I want to give all the glory to God.
Speaker 9 (31:47):
We're never supposed to be in the decision before the
glory God, the great coach.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Is, great teams we have around us.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
We were able to pull this off.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Whoever thought who should be here?
Speaker 8 (31:56):
But now the who just or flipping champs.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
I will say this so the last person that was
this exuberant and gouberish forever lost his place in the
pre presidential candidacy.
Speaker 10 (32:09):
We're going to California and Texas and New York, and
we're going to South Dakota and Oregon and Washington and Michigan,
and then we're going to Washington. See you to take
back in the White House.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
I'll tell you what Kurt Signetti saying on the podium
that his biggest goal is to now to get this
team down from this high in the next three and
a half weeks. That is a true statement. That is
a one hundred percent true statement. They get, yeah, you
you have to because I'm telling you in all of
those sound bites and everything that we've heard, like that
(32:47):
was the deal. Last year they lost at Ohio State.
It was a closer game than had actually the score indicated.
Indiana had a couple of miscues on special teams that
cost them. But like for Indiana to show that they're
still unbeaten, that to your point that they're number one
and tobid o Higre State in the Big Ten Championship
game is their ultimate goal now to try to reset
(33:09):
and try to win a national championship.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
That will not be easy, I'll tell you. Plus I
mean either Bama or Ou in the Rose Bowl. Yeah,
and the difference here is now, look, these are new
Bama guys, these are new Ou guys, and Indiana has
they went and won the Big Ten Championship. They won
and won in Austin, and they spent a lot of money, Like,
(33:34):
let's not shut themselves. They probably have the second or
third biggest budget of anybody playing. Like Mendoza was at
Col last year, he was good at Col. Now he's
on a loaded team. But Bama or Ou playing in
the Rose Bowl, even though it's a weird Rose Bull
usually Big Ten it feels like every game in the
(33:54):
SEC is like that again, I don't know coming off
and whoever they play is going to come off a
win as well, so they'll have their confidence coming in
off a win. They got a week, they got two
weeks off before they play. I'm with you, it's really
really hard to get him back, get him back right.
Good thing is, you got a lot of time. Bad
thing is sometimes time is not actually your inter favor.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
Did you guys?
Speaker 9 (34:15):
Hear Kurt Signetti though, where he was like, and I
got my waists. He's like to humble and get the
guys hungry and humble again. He's like, we got to
get their head right. We gotta get him down from
this cloud. And I have my ways, and I'm just
wondering what those ways are. Like, we're talking what five
am kinda I don't know, drills and conditioning and just get.
Speaker 8 (34:34):
That joy out of you. We gotta get hungry again.
I don't know. I just I have my waist. It's
caught that little bit.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Anyway, let's get to what we hated from the weekend.
We'll start with the resident hater, Jason Stewart.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
I hate the San Francisco Giants, and I hate any
player that gets into the Hall of Fame from the
Giants that did it on farcical numbers. It was it
was told to us that the something called the National
Baseball Hall of Fame contemporary air voters voted Jeff Kent
into the Hall of Fame. Now, he was not voted
in the traditional way by the people that matter, the
(35:07):
sports writers and the people that decide these things, So
he got in through the back door by this field
called contemporary era voters. If you take out the numbers
that he had with the Giants, he's not a Hall
of Famer, even if you include the numbers with the
Giants and the context that he batted behind a guy
that had a five hundred op on base percentage for
(35:31):
his time there with the Giants because he was very
much on roids. I think that those things are the
underreported people in the Hall of Fame discussion, not the
actual people that were caught doing steroids or we know
very much that they did steroids, But how about the
players that were helped around them that their numbers are
(35:52):
inflated because of them. Jeff Kent was the benefactor of
the worst cheater in the history of the game. He
should not be rewarded with the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Love it? Uh damn byer.
Speaker 7 (36:05):
Yeah, just on the heels of that too as well.
Like everybody wants Dale Murphy in right, Like, just put
him in. Guess what the Hall of Fame is for
the fans as well. It's not like he's unworthy. He
has a resume of it, uh to back it up
of being in the Hall of Fame. Yes, I'll say this.
I hate the first round of the college football Playoff.
(36:25):
I hate it. Oklahoma, great, they beat Alabama. Now they
gotta beat him again the first round.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
Yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
Yeah, it stinks. Hey, guess what we get to see
two Lane and Ole Miss again. Just the reason that
we were so excited for a college football playoff in
the first place, right, seeing all these schools going to
different parts and hosting games. Nobody ever said I want
to see two Lane and Ole Miss. Something else. No
one ever said I want to see James Madison at Oregon. Like,
this first round of the playoff is awful and it's Yeah,
(36:55):
it stinks. Figure out a better way to do it.
But because there's going to be no momentum until New
year's eve in January first, for this playoff, the NFL
is going to slaughter college football in that opening weekend.
That's what I hated.
Speaker 9 (37:13):
Revived my memory here, Dan, Tulane and ole Miss played
already this earlier this year. Yes, oh yeah, that's Rematches
like that are not it's hard to get excited for. Listen,
nobody really cares about this game because it's a bowl
game and not in the playoff. But Iowa's draw for
the reliah Quest Bowl on December thirty first, at nine
(37:34):
am Pacific time, twelve Eastern. They're taking on a team
that was snubbed, not snub but on the periphery of
the playoff in Vanderbilt. Not thrilled about this matchup. Diego
Pavia is playing. This is a really really good ten
and two Vanderbilt team that put up points and can't
say that I'm super thrilled about the Relia Quest Bowl
(37:56):
at Raymond James Stadium and IOWA taking on a Vanderbilt
team that I guess has a fire under their butt.
I would assume, maybe not, maybe it's the other on
the opposite who knows, who knows, but they're a really
good team.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Dan there did you guys see the video of Diego
Pavia taking his offensive lineman to the UFC fight in
Vegas every weekend. I saw, I saw a caption I
think I sent to you guys if Axe Body Spray
was a person, that's so good.
Speaker 9 (38:25):
Listen, man, I'm a little worried that Axe Body Spray
personified is gonna run up and down on Iowa. So
see he was laughing then, but that was that was funny.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, I'm gonna give you my hate. I hate all
these idiots are like cut Cob Sheets got it in
for said school because he worked for ESPN and he's
an sec walk. I'm also gonna point out that we
have people who work for us on Fox Sports Trading
and Fox Sports that are like, Oh, the ESPN guys
(38:55):
are anti Notre Dame. That's what they are because Notre
Dame is on a different network.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Some of Notre Dame's games are on ESPN. And I
don't want to tell you this, but Notre Dame rates
way better than a lot of college football programs. They
would love to have Notre Dame in the college football playoffs.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
You sound like one of those basement dwelling what was
called conspiracy theorists who don't believe anything is real. Hey,
don't believe anything is real? Do people bring in their
own inherent biases about their conference versus others? Of course,
(39:40):
that's why when you have a committee, you gotta spread
out in terms of what conferences, what schools are represented.
But this idea that people on TV like a kirk okay,
now that when you're covering a game, most guys I
didn't do this, but most guys become like shills. It'll
happen in March. We know this, Dan, when you watch
the NCCH tournament, like everybody hills for the league, like, oh,
(40:02):
the Big twelve, second twenty five teams in Like, dude,
I get that the Big twelve wants you to do
their games, but you can't be that disingenuous. But again,
just the idea that networks, like a network like ESPN
doesn't want Notre Dame in is quite frankly, the stupidest
thing I've ever heard in my life. Everybody wants Notre
Dame on TV because people watch Notre Dame on TV.
(40:24):
Maybe not the same as they used to, but go
and look over the last ten years, the highest rated
games in college football. Alabama's like one, Texas right there,
and then Notre Dame's right there in third along with
Ohio State, Like those are the big ones. So this
idea that networks have it out for your school is
just dumb. It's just dumb. It doesn't work that way,
(40:47):
or it's never worked that way. What do I know?
I just did twenty years of television at three different
networks and never once was like, hey guys, we got
to talk about the school because we have their conference
on our network more than anybody else. That's love an eight.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
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Speaker 1 (41:13):
Does anybody else? And I know if you're listening on
the pod, you're like, why are you talking about Elvis?
But if you listen on the radio show, by the way,
get download the podcast anytimes Doug Gottlip Show Fox Sports
Radio Show in its entirety appears in the podcasts. When
you hear a song like this, which is here comes
Santa Claus by Elvis Presley Dan Byr, do you do
(41:34):
the Elvis loop thing just like automatically, just kind of
try and do it just to do it.
Speaker 7 (41:38):
I'm sure it comes natural to many. You know that
response immediate.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Sure, the the West Texas hiccup right is part of
that song. I don't know if very many men knows
who who who invented that one. We can we can
do a little old old country Western trivia if you'd like.
In the near future. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. What we learn from this weekend
(42:07):
Schador Sanders, What we learn from Packers Bears, What we
learn from the Kansasy Chiefs losing. Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Let's get you to Tom Telesco.
He joined just He's the former Chargers and Raiders general manager,
and he joins us every Monday and tells this what
we really really should know from this past weekend. Let's
(42:28):
work backwards Packers Bears. Now that we've seen the Bears
in the past two games against playoff caliber competition, what's
your read on how good the Bears actually are.
Speaker 6 (42:43):
I definitely think they're a playoff team, and I think
yesterday you could see they really are a team like
Capital Letters team and not a team that just is
going to rely on their quarterback to bail them out
when they have to. I mean, they have an identity
on offense, especially with the running game. Their offensive line
has been strong, the defense has played well. So I
thought that was really for both teams, the Packers and
(43:05):
the Bears. There's a lot of positive that came out
of that game. But from the Bear standpoint, they just
have a real identity, which in the playoffs you need.
And obviously in the playoffs there's a good chance you're
going to play in the elements, and they can do
that with with their running game. And then I know
Caleb has not been as consistent as you would like,
but when they need to play, he can put he
can put his cap on when he has to make
(43:27):
a playoffside the pocket. He saw that yesterday. So I
was really impressed with the Bears, and I think as
he moved down the stretch this month, as they kind
of keep improving on offense in the passing game, which
they're going to have to do. But I thought they
went toe to toe with the Packers and and I
think you know both are going to be strong in
the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Okay, Chador Sanders, you were really impressed two weeks ago
this week, what's your impression.
Speaker 6 (43:53):
Yeah, I still am And I know a lot of
people probably didn't watch this game beginning to end, but
I did. And and you know, I understand the Titans
on defense, they're not great except for Jeffrey Simmons. But
on the flip side, the Browns offense, they don't have
a lot around Shador Sanders either. Their offensive line is
below average at best. And you know they have two rookies,
(44:13):
Harold Fan and the kish On Jenkins. Those two guys
are studs on offense, but other than that, they don't
have a lot. And I thought she did play outstanding.
I thought he stood in versus a rush. He can
take hits and deliver the ball. He showed really excellent accuracy,
and he can fetter the ball really when he has
to with touch, especially down in the red zone. He
showed down the one touchdown throw. He can put pace
(44:34):
on the ball when he has to, and he can
see the improvement as far as stepping up in the pocket.
The only one to throw the ball away, and you know,
he had a bad interception that he should have thrown away,
which kind of reminds you that, look, he's still a
rookie quarterback, but overall playing in tough conditions. You know,
he's almost four hundred yards of offense, four touchdowns. I
(44:54):
just thought he was really impressive really from the beginning
to end, and you're seeing the development there and it
is great that we can see him hopefully the next
four games to see if he keeps improving. But I
thought you need a lot a lot of NFL throws yesterday.
That looks like a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Stet Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. What about
cam Ward? If we redrafted this thing, would he still
going tober one overall?
Speaker 6 (45:18):
That's a good question because what you see, you see,
all the flashes you saw on college you still see
right now in the NFL. It's just feud and far between.
But what the hard part is with cam and the
same thing with Shador to a certain extent too, they
don't have enough talent around them yet. There's a reason
why the Titans were picking that high in the first place,
and offensive line skill positions, but they've had some injuries,
(45:38):
obviously the head coaching change. He's in a real tough
spot right now, but you can see that athletic ability.
You can see the quick twitch, the way he gets
the ball out, and yeah, he still has all the
traits to be a top starting, starting quarterback in the NFL,
but he needs a lot more talent around him to
get there. It's going to take them a couple of
years probably to get enough talent there. But yeah, you
(45:59):
can still see that he probably would be He probably
still would be still first pick in the draft if
we did this all over again.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Stug otleb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Tom Telesco
is our guest. Of course, Tom was the GM of
the Raiders last year. Before that, eleven years the GM
of the San Diego and then La Chargers. Okay, some
post mortem on some teams who are quickly playing their
way out of the playoffs. I repeat, what is wrong
(46:26):
with Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 6 (46:28):
I don't think much wrong with with Lamar. I'm not
so much concerned about him. I mean, I think he
had some injuries the last month that probably slowed them
down a little bit. But just as a team, they've
been disappointing this year. Now, the beginning of the year,
their whole team, they were decimated with injuries. That kind
of come over that hump. But they just haven't. They
haven't gotten it going and really either side of the ball.
And they've got some ischues on offense right now. They've
(46:52):
got they're built to run the ball, and they still
run the ball well. But their two offensive guards are
big power guards, but they're not great and pospit that's
showing up a lot, and Lamar's had to move around
a lot more than you would like. And just the
skill positions at receivers, they flowers can only do so much.
You need some other compliment. And they don't throw the
ball a lot to be outside to the other receivers,
(47:13):
just don't a lot of targets. You know, it's mostly
the tight ends in the middle of the field. So
you know, the offense is just a little bit stagnant
right now, but Lamar is Lamar to me, I don't
see a decline in his play. And then defensively, their
defensive front was the one part that I thought would
be a concern this year. It's been a bigger concern
that I had anticipated. Their backstep is still very good,
(47:33):
but they've got some things in the offseason to work on.
There there's Sarah Tayler Linderbaum, which is outstanding player. He's
a free agent. They got to figure out the guard situation,
and they've got to have to have some more skill
outside to go as they flowers, just to give Lamar
some more options.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Tom Gelasco is our guest on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
How do you explain what's happened to Pat Mahomes in
that offense?
Speaker 6 (47:54):
Again, it's been really they've played the same way all year,
even the games they've won. It's just been a ryan
They just can't manufacture any big plays, which is hard
to imagine because they do have some speed at receiver.
They still have Mahomes, obviously, they have Andy Reid, who's,
you know, one of the best play callers in the league.
It's the big issue, and it's been an issue for
(48:14):
a number of years, even when they're going to Super Bowls.
It's been the offensive wrying to tackle at full spots
and now they're playing with backups in those positions. That's
been an issue. But you know, when you have long
play drives, it takes you a long time to move
the ball down the field. It just increases your odds
and making a mistake, and they're just making more mistakes
than they ever have, and it's sometimes as snowballs players
that usually don't make them. There's a lot of drops,
(48:35):
a lot of missed assignments. The defense, which has really
held in a lot of games the last couple of years,
hasn't been as strong, especially on third downs and not
getting off the field as much as they used to.
But again, I don't see this as a Mahomes problem,
but this is probably gonna have to be a reset.
You know, this is a lot of years they've been
picking very low in the draft and making a run
every year and bringing in some free agencies and trades
(48:57):
for more on short term basis. But this may be
a little bit of a recent this year to get
a little bit younger on the defensive front, and you know,
just really start retool that offensive line, especially the tackle positions,
to get for home a little bit more time.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Stuck out Leap show here on Fox Sports, trader Tom
Telesco is our guest. You are uniquely qualified for these
next couple questions, right because you you very much lived this.
Let's start with the Indianapolis Colts. They they lost Daniel
Jones for the year with I don't know has it
been reported as an achilles or we know it's it
(49:30):
looks like a torn achilles, right, Okay, so the torn achilles? Okay,
you've worked with Shane stike in before. You actually was
interim offensive coordinator for a year before he left and
went to went to Philly, Right, who do you? Who
do you? How does it work right? Here?
Speaker 6 (49:47):
We are?
Speaker 1 (49:48):
We're December eighth. You've been in a similar situation where
I got to find a quarterback here you know who's
on the street, and I got a potential playoff team?
What's this? What's the process?
Speaker 4 (49:59):
Like?
Speaker 1 (50:00):
How does it work.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
Well? At this point? Since you're past the trade deadline,
you're really your only chance is gonna have to be
somebody from your own roster at at this point, unless
you just get lucky and there's a quarterback who's on
the street who's been in a Shane STEAKSTI like an
offense before, I'd have to look it up for the
chances they are slim, So well call.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Philip Rivers, get him out of retirement, or or or
you go any of the Philly backups when he was there,
I guess is the only other ones?
Speaker 6 (50:27):
Yeah, I don't know if you've seen Philip recently. I
mean he's coaching high school football. Think they're right now,
so I think that may not work. But look, I
think as as third quarterbacks go, and hopefully he's healthy,
but Riley Leonard, you could do worse than Riley Leonard
because what he has a side strength and athletic ability.
He could make some plays with his feet. And Shane's
very creative with the offensive scheme, and you're gonna have
(50:49):
to rely on Jonathan Taylor, and that's you're gonna see
a lot of Jonathan Taylor. Their offensive line is excellent
now with Riley Leonard. It was the same thing at
Duke because it wasn't Notre Dame look as a pastor
the city in making accuracy. It's not quite NS already yet.
But he's a big time athlete and he's a leader.
So he does give them a fighting chance with their
offensive line with Jonathan Taylor and with Shane Stichen. But
(51:12):
at this point, with four weeks ago in the year,
to go outside your team to find a quarterback to
come in and start very highly unlikely.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Okay, Torod Taylor was your starter. You had drafted, you know,
you had drafted a guy who has now become an
absolute star for the for the La Chargers, right and
Justin Herbert. So Justin Herbert just had surgery on his hand,
and I guess he's gonna play. Before we get to Herbert,
(51:42):
what was that like during his first start as the
general manager when you found out about the injection gone
wrong for Torod Taylor?
Speaker 6 (51:51):
Absolutely incredible because where I was up in the in
the suite break before kickoff and none of us do
what had happened? And all happened to right the four
kickoff obviously within like thirty seconds to a minute, and
we see Justin run onto the field and we're looking
at each other like, hey, you guys kind of holding
(52:13):
this back at a secret like absolutely not. So I looked
down and I thought Tarrod Taylor on the bench. I
saw them walking to Rod into the locker room, and honestly,
my first thought was what's wrong with Tarrod? So that
so I was on the phone with the doctors downstairs
in the locker room through that situation. Out. I missed
the whole first series that Justin drove us down for
a score against Kansas City. Missed the whole thing because
we're trying to figure out with Tarrod Taylor where he
(52:34):
was and it was he okay. But the interesting whole
thing about that situation was this was the COVID year,
so there were no preseason games. There were no live
scrimmages against any other teams in the preseason. So Justin's
teammates and as coaches had never seen him play live.
They've seen him throw the ball in practice, they've seen
him you know, in a practice setting, but never live.
(52:55):
So his first play in that huddle was the first
time that had ever seen him play live football. And
Jim drive us down put a score in the end zone.
Was pretty cool. But situation obviously something I've never seen
of or been part of before, but it was kind
of a surreal experience.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
All right, So tonight, what are your expectations? Philly doesn't
have their best pass rusher, but still a dynamic defensive
line against the Chargers team that has sort of stabilizer
offensive line, but you know, down their two starting tackles
for the year, it's not great. They've been able to somehow,
you know, get it to this point at eight and four.
What do you think of the matchup?
Speaker 6 (53:29):
I think the biggest thing tonight is Omurray and Hampton
back in the lineup. He's a big time running back.
He's big, he's powerful, he runs with an identity with
his physicalness. But he also has some speed if you
can get out in space to finish run. So they're
gonna have to run the ball as well as they
can tonight. He's gonna give them a big jump, a
big boost. I think I want to see how Justin
(53:49):
Herbert maneuver is in the like just with handoffs with
this left hand Rayhn, how he's going to do that.
The play as should pass where they work on their
center at all, we'll all be out of shotgun. I'm
assuming it'll be on a shotgun, but we'll not tonight.
But I think Canton could be a big part of this.
It's a playoff game for the Chargers, no doubt. Eagles.
I think they're good. They'll still be in but AFC
is a little bit jumbled up right now. This is
a big time game for the Chargers tonight.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
Awesome stuff, Tom, have a great weekend. Hope you had
a happy Thanksgiving and a merry Christmas to you and
your entire family. Thanks for our guests.
Speaker 6 (54:19):
You've got to Doug any time, take care
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
Dateline NBC
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