November 29, 2025 • 52 mins
On this edition of the Best Of The Week Of The Doug Gottlieb Show:
Doug reacts to comments made by Bengals' quarterback Joe Burrow as he is facing questions about why he is going to play when the team is out of the playoffs. Doug weighs in on the Shedeur Sanders situation this week as Doug doesn't think he handled a recent question about his head coach very well.
As Doug fills in for The Herd on Friday, he welcomes former Bucs GM Mark Dominik to talk about the Cowboys, Shedeur Sanders and all of the headlines around the NFL.
Dan Beyer welcomes Doug onto the show from the an the airport in the Virgin Islands to talk about his team's successful showing in the holiday tournament in the Caribbean.
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The Crown is yours. Welcome. Welcome in, Jay Stu. You'll
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love this so as you guys know. And I popped
on the show yesterday from the airport. We were in St.
Thomas and the Virgin Islands for the last week with
my basketball team, and it was I mean when I
say the weather was perfect, this is a from somebody
who grew up in southern California. It was perfect, warm
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but not too hot. It's like eighty five every day,
A little bit human but not no bugs, No, not
like perfect. And we're supposed to get like fifty five
mile in our wins this afternoon still may happen here
in Green Bay. We're supposed to get just like a
dusting and I'm looking at like five or six inches
of snow when it was supposed to be like an
inch of snow. I was on an island like yesterday,
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and we're digging out the snow today. But such is life.
Welcome to the Gottlieb Show. Good to be back, Good
to be with you. Let's talk some sports, shall we.
I heard something from Joe Burrow and it's really interesting,
Like Joe Burrow today is going to be healed hailed
as a hero, right, I mean, just like like you
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go through the heroes of our lifetime in sports, and
Joe Burrow's going to be listed a month those guys
because well, this is what he said. What he was
asked about. Are the argument being made the Bengals should
not play him tomorrow or the rest of the season
(02:12):
because they're out of the playoffs. Here's what Joe Burrow
had to say.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I understand why people feel that way, but if you
look at it from my perspective, I'm a football player,
and if I get hurt, I'm going to go through
the rehab process, and then I'm gonna let everybody know
when I feel like I can go out there and play.
I'm not gonna ever go to somebody and say, yeah,
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I'm healthy, But no, I don't think. I don't think
I should go out there and play. That doesn't make
a lot of sense to me. I'm not gonna live
my life and play this game scared of something happening.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, And the idea is that we're somehow making it
heroic for Joe Burrow to do his job, which is
becase quarterback of the Bengals. And what he's saying is like,
I'm a football player. I play football. When there's a
football game, it makes total sense. And here's the I
(03:12):
don't know if it's a catch twenty two or jaxtaposition, Chase,
do you're you can parse by words as as much
as you'd like and tell me what you think. But
on one hand, and Jason, I think you like to
poke fun at gen Z rightfully so for how they
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have become just an entitled generation of people. But if
you think about it, the people who are asking Joe Burrow,
why are you playing the games don't mean anything because
you got a one percent chance of making the playoffs.
Those are the same people who are critical of modern
day athletes for being soft, or for only playing when
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they want to play, or for load management. Like, on
one hand, our generation, right Gen X, was the one
that came up with load management. Our generation is the
one that said, hey, let's be smart, don't play a
guy when he does need it, because all he can
do is get hurt. And yet our generation is the
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same one that's like, hey, those guys are soft. They
don't play every game like previous generations and our generation did.
It's it's it's kind of a fascinating social experiment here.
And yeah, I mean, I there's lots of things you
learn the more you're around sports. First thing you learned
I think people are learning, especially this is not everybody
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plays football loves football, but Joe Burrow does.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Not.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Everybody that that that uh plays sports understands that the
job of sport is not just to play when you
want to play or when it's good for the team
to play, but at all times. And again it's our generation,
the older generation that kills that let me give you
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a college football example. Right, we are and I have
been harshly critical of players sitting out of bowl games
in the past, or sitting out of games you know,
red There's there's a movement. There's been a movement of
guys four games in the year red shirting and saying
refusing to play because things weren't what they thought. And
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if you do have the ability to red shirt, even
if you play four games in college football, it's easy
to be critical of those guys and say, what are
you doing. You sign up to play for a school.
You play for the school. If they want to play
you one snap or one Hunter snaps, you play. That's
what you do. And now you're getting compensated to play.
That's what you do. On the other hand, it's our
generation which came up with these rules. It's our generation
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which is firing coaches three, four or five games in
the season, which essentially cancels the season and says we
have no hope and says we're looking to move on anyway.
So do I think that Joe Burrow is a heroic figure?
Not about heroic, but it's the kind of message that
when you say it, how can you not be a
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Joe Burrow fan. On the other hand, isn't he simply
doing his job. It's like the old Chris Rock bit
on guys saying, like I take care of my kids,
you're supposed to take care of your kids. Yeah, that's
what you're supposed to do. It's the same thing as
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a quarterback. Why are we celebrating a guy for playing
quarterback on a three and eight team when he's making
a ton of money to be the quarterback. Whether they're
three and eight or eight and three, it shouldn't matter.
And the root cause of the problem is not gen Z,
it's gen X. We came up with all these ideas
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and we've come up with the decision to fire coaches
early on the season and essentially cancel their season. We
came up with load management, so we now we shouldn't
be surprised when players dive into that. But we also
should feel super weird and self conscious about guys saying, Hey,
I think it's weird to even celebrate the fact that
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I'm playing football.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Go ahead, Jason, it's an interesting You're right, it's an
interesting human experiment. It's an interesting social experiment. And I'll explain.
So I'm guessing in our talk space, there is an
overlap between the people that have been against load management
for years and the same people probably this week being
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like the Bengals are idiots for playing Joe Burrow. Yes,
they want they want their cake and they want to
eat it too. Now it's an interesting social experiment. And
you know me, I don't. I don't do this lightly.
I don't go here often, but I will say this,
how much how much does race play into this? How
much of the load management is black guys not work
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who make a lot of money? And this week don't
play Joe Burrow? Why would you play Joe Burrow? The
white quarterback? But how wout you think that is?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It hadn't come to my mind at all.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I do think, I do think it strikes me this week.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh I well, I don't. I don't know on on Burrow.
I mean, part of Burrow's thing is he has been
hurt a lot, right, he has been hurt a lot.
So it's it's more than just like, well he's never
been hurt like he'd been hurt a lot, or it
feels that way. I do think that there are other
instances NBA players probably catch the most flack for it
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that there's always going to be a group of people that,
you know, you have, the racial bias of a black
guy not going to play in a game is somehow
a bigger deal than a white guy not playing a game.
My issue with that is I have a blind spot
to it because it just does and it's not I
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would never think about it. But the more you say it,
the more you go, yeah, Okay, I don't know if
it's there with football, because I think that people believe
that football players ultimately everybody gets hurt when it's not
really the case. It's not really the case. It's like
Tom Brady played twenty years, Yeah, the urs ACL Yeah,
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but that's literally like the only injury he ever had.
It's kind of crazy, and he was a statue back there, statue.
But it is a tremendous social experiment.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
And you bring up the that the fact that there
we always think that all these people when they get
to the professional level are in it to win it, like, yes,
their only goal is to win at all costs, especially
in team sports. And remember Cam Newton said this about
six weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Remember, would you rather being a spot where you can
individual achieve have success, have statistics and lose, or would
you want to be someone that contributes to a team
that can win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (10:08):
And I'm glad you asked that. When you're talking about
individual play, this is how I this is how I
take care of my family. Team success don't take care
of my family. So if I'm thinking about it from
a personal standpoint, of course, we want the best of
both worlds. But if you're asking me what gives you extinsions,
what gives you top tier money, what gives you certain things,
(10:31):
there are some more players that have rings, championships and
things that are struggling rather than quote unquote bus that
has had money and they're doing right by their money.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, I don't. Yeah, it's just it's such a bad narrative.
I do think there are people that believe that. I
just don't think they're the brightest people in the world.
But yeah, that's that's what some people do believe. And
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Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Shor Sanders had
another time with the media today. Here's what he had
to say.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
All your supporters out, I dare say that that Kevin
Stefanski was sabotageing me.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
So you just want to start trouble.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Oh, I know.
Speaker 9 (11:37):
I want to ask you what your relationship with him?
Speaker 8 (11:41):
Yeah, well, what people do outside the building isn't really
in my control, is not in my power, so you
had like I go out there and tell him to
do whatever. You know, that's that's not nothing I could
control or nothing.
Speaker 10 (11:51):
I could do.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
But overall, you know, I'm just happy to be here. Stefan.
You've been coaching since I got here, and uh, you've
been doing a very great job, you know, with everything
that's going on.
Speaker 9 (12:03):
But what is your relationship like with him? And when
we don't see you guys together.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
Definitely like a coach, you know, he tells me what
I need to do on and off the field. We've
definitely grown our relationship and everything is grown. So I'm
just thankful to be here.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Well, that was a non answer answer, wasn't it. That
was a non answer answer, and that non answer tells
you everything you need to know, tells you everything you
need to know. Oh wait, there's more. Here's Kendrick Perkins.
He was on a podcast this week. This is his
(12:42):
comment about shird Door Sanders.
Speaker 11 (12:45):
Shadula Sanders is the most powerful black man since two
thousand and nine. You know what happened in two thousand
and nine, that's when President Obama got elected in office.
He's the most powerful black man since two thousand and nine.
You said you were sitting there watching the game in
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your house, and what you did?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You ran?
Speaker 11 (13:09):
You ran with the TV. Right, what was you doing?
Speaker 1 (13:11):
dB?
Speaker 11 (13:13):
You was chairing like when Shadua Sanders is on the field.
And when I say powerful, powerful, because it's two sides
of it, right, think about it. Okay, you got the
black community. He bringing the whole black community together. I
ain't ran across one black person that then said one
bad thing about should do it. We won't even guess
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what not one because he has the balance. He has
the balance of that. I'm arrogant, but I'm humble too,
and he having fun with it. And on top of that,
y'all want me to say it ain't y'all want me
to feel.
Speaker 12 (13:49):
It ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 11 (13:50):
He's the most powerful black man in sports, no other,
no other, matter of fact black man.
Speaker 13 (13:56):
He the most powerful player in sports.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I don't really know where to go with a lot
of that. I will say this I have. I mean,
half my team is black. I have half my staff
as black. And the general consensus from my staff guys
is they are big shador in Dion fans, Chadoor and
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Dion fans. He's not the most powerful guy in sports.
I do think that the black community by and large
embraces him and seems to have made this into some
sort of racial thing. Well, it's it's comedy because Dylan
(14:47):
Gabriel is not white, you know. And oh yeah, by
the way, the guy who was the starting quarterback before
injury for the Cleveland Browns, who has the largest guarantee
in the history of the league, just so happens to
be black as well. That's the actual starting quarterback of
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the Cleveland brown So there's a lot too it that
has nothing to do with race, and that Kendrick Perkins,
maybe he's been hanging out with Ryan Clark too much,
is making it completely about race. But I do think
the black community has embraced him. I don't think any
of the other stuff is true or factual or whatever.
But I just again, this is why it better work,
(15:29):
because if it doesn't, nobody wants that on their team.
Nobody wants the idea of if you don't play a guy,
you're racist or you don't want him to do well,
and Shador is not helping it. Mike, Look, you have
to stop lying to yourself and lying to the public.
(15:51):
You do whether or not Shador has a good repute,
a good relationship with Kevin Stefanski or not. The answer
he gave is a telling answer, and it is a
terrible answer because it throws fuel to the fire. It's
very easy because his initial part of the answer was great.
(16:12):
The initial part of the answer is there's lots of
noise outside the building. I can't control that, period, stop
fix it. Then the guy's like, no, but what's your
actual relationship? Like, well, he's like a coach and it's
gotten better, and he tells me what to do. The
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only answer you need is, hey, people outside, they don't
know what's your relationship? Like great, awesome, he's been great.
I keep learning. I love his offense. I love it here.
I can't wait to get out there and show everybody
what we're putting in between last week and this week.
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That's the answer. That's how you do it. And we
can sit there and go like, well, he's young, he
isn't bull bull because he could take coaching from his dad,
and his dad is not helping him. His dad is
hurting him because he just killed his coach once again
without trying, without openly trying to play that answer for
(17:16):
me one more time before bringing rich Ornberger, remember listen
to the entire because the first part is good. First
part is like, hey, I can't control everything else. But
then when they followed up and ask what your asking
relationship is, that's when he stepped in.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
All your supporters out, I dare say that that Kevin
Stefanski was sabotaging me.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
So you just want to start troubling out.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I know, I want to.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
Ask you what your relationship with him?
Speaker 8 (17:43):
Yeah, well, what people do outside of the building isn't
really in my control, is not in my power, So
you had like I go out there and tell him
to do whatever. You know, that's that's not nothing I
could control or nothing I could do. But overall, you know,
I'm just happy to be here cause Stefanski been coaching
since I got here, and uh, you've been doing a
very great job, you know with everything that's going on.
Speaker 9 (18:05):
But what is your relationship like with him? And when
we don't see you guys together.
Speaker 8 (18:10):
Definitely like a coach, you know, he tells me what
I need to do on and off the field. We've
definitely grown our relationship and everything is grown. So I'm
just thankful to be here.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah he is, he says grown. He didn't say it
was good. He didn't say it was great. He made
it out like he's imposed doing on and out the field.
It feels like he's like a parent. It's a bad answer.
It's bad as he was doing so well up into that.
But hey, he's been doing great with everything. What's your
(18:43):
relationship actually like it's like a coach like a player.
Speaker 12 (18:47):
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Speaker 1 (18:51):
Radio Doug Gottleibn for Colin. It's the Herd. You're on
Fox Sports Tradio on the iHeartRadio app mmm hmm. Broadcasting
from Green Bay, Wisconsin. Most of you, mostly in the Midwest,
know that it's coming. We got we got a little
dust in the other day, but it's it's coming. It's
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coming tomorrow, first first snowstorm of the season. Mark Dominic
doesn't have these problems, right, I mean, he he picked
an organization in Tampa. He's a Florida guy, Florida, California.
People like, I don't know what you're talking about. How
you talking about former gentle manager of the Tampa Buccaneers.
Of course, spent his entire professional life in the National
Football League and he joins us now in the herd
(19:33):
on Fox Sports Radio. How were we so wrong about
the Cowboys? Mark?
Speaker 10 (19:42):
Yeah, you know, they've just been so inconsistent. It's been
hard to understand what team we're going to see each week.
And yesterday we saw that the offense continues to shine
under Brian Schottenheimer and what Dak Prescott was able to do,
and it certainly George Pickens made a lot of great plays,
so the long Ferguson and so the Cowboys have found
(20:03):
a way to be, you know, just frustratingly inconsistent, but
yet still have a shot in a path to the
postseason somehow.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Okay, what about the Chiefs, you know, It's like you
go back about a month ago, You're like, all right,
here they come and here they sit. You know, it's
it's I mean it, look, my faith remains in Andy
Reid and Pat Mahomes, but heck dyed lost coming out
of a bye which you know does have more in
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Kansasity than did in Philadelphia, but rarely happens. And you look,
the Broncos and Bills are good teams. The culture good
teams some of its schedule, but some of it is
they're just what's missing there?
Speaker 10 (20:46):
Well, I think two things. I think number one, you know,
we saw sadly Josh Simmons looks like he might be
done for the year. You know, John Taylor's they're going
with their second or third and fourth offensive tackles. And
in Kansas City, we've seen it over and over again.
When that often the line starts to get depleted, they
can't win. And that's where they sit right now, is
they just can't keep as much as Patrick was, you know,
(21:07):
throwing the ball well and obviously the touchdowns yesterday that
I'm that offensive lines in shambles right now. And that's
that's the demise of the Chiefs and why they won't
make the postseason. Even with a couple of teams, I
think they can win. The other part of the Chiefs
that you see when you watch them play is they're
not fast. Defensively, they're strong, they're powerful, but they're not fast.
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And to me, that shows up as well.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
You know what that reminds me of. It reminds me
of the end of the Patriots run, right, I mean
when when the downfall of the Patriots. Obviously, when Brady left,
they didn't have a quarterback, but even prior to that,
people like yourself, NFL people all said that the Patriots
they just weren't fast, they weren't flying around anymore. How
(21:51):
hard is that to fix? Can you fix that in
one offseason?
Speaker 10 (21:54):
I think you can. I mean again, you're going to
you know, decide what you want to do free agency,
but the draft is going to be a piece where
you can absolutely add some speed and get to you know,
maybe a linebacker. They need a speed rush edge is
what they really need. They need somebody that can come
off the edge. I can just you know, win the fastball,
and that's what they don't have to me consistently at all.
(22:14):
And so I think you're gonna have to look to
the draft, you know, and say first or second round.
That's where I think the Chiefs have to pinpoint somebody
that can get the edge and can win with a
fastball and hopefully develop an other rush move. The kids
seems to be in a weird spot. I mean, I
don't again, I don't think they're going to make the
postseason just because I don't. I think Jacksonville has too
many wins that are still on the board Buffalo can
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you know, And so somebody's gonna win the you know,
the North somehow. But I just don't think kids that
you can put enough w's on the board now to
get to the postseason. So they'll be picking you know,
top twenty, which they haven't done in a long long time.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Okay, we go from met Lafleur a couple of weeks ago.
I go to the Eagles game and super super conservative,
and you and I have talked about it on my
show where I'm like, well, yeah, you lose Tucker you know,
Tucker Craft, and you lose your left tackle. And the
Eagles obviously have an unbelievable pass rush as we saw
against the Lions, and so maybe that's the reason they
(23:10):
were so concerned. You go from that to what we
saw from the Floor over the past two weeks, especially yesterday.
What why has his play calling been so different?
Speaker 10 (23:20):
In your opinion, he's been more aggressive. I think he's
kind of said, hey, look it is what it is,
we're gonna and I think he feels Jordan Love when
Jordan's kind of in the zone. I think he calls
the game based off hout Jordan's playing, and yesterday Jordan
was making throws and you know, you got to give
the Floor a ton of credit that fourth down call
to go to throw the ball up to Wix and
Wix makes the catch to you know, basically end the game,
(23:41):
kill the clock. That's a huge decision where they're sitting
on the field knowing you can bax them up all
the way to probe the top, you know, inside the
ten and make them drive the links of the field. Instead,
he says, I'm going to win the game right here,
and Jordan Love makes us thrill. But I think the
Floor is feeding off of where Jordan Love's confidence is
and you're seeing him be more aggressive with the play
call because of it.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Doug Gottliebin for Collins to hurt Fox Sports Radio, iHeart
Radio app. You and I have also discussed that as
a as a play caller, Dan Campbell feels like he
calls plays, but he's not an offensive coordinator. Right, this
is a play here and play there. It's not as smooth,
doesn't have the same rhythm. What did you think of yesterday?
Speaker 10 (24:21):
Yeah, I kind of feel the same way. Like, you know,
it's you know, the one thing about Jared Goffin and
maybe the entire offense is having. You know, it's interesting
you think about it from the defensive standpoint. For an
offensive standpoint, right, offensive coordators like three and out didn't
work out, We'll just punt. The defensive coordinator sits there
and goes, hey, three and it didn't work. It's well,
they just scored a touchdown. It's just a completely different
(24:42):
way to look for the game, right. I think if
you think of at home, you're like, yeah, I've never
thought of it that way, like an offen the quarteror
like if it doesn't work out, he just punt the
ball and try again. It doesn't work out. On defense,
you're in trouble and so that's why it makes it hard.
And I also think to your point, Doug, like you
want to find the rhythm with your quarterback where you're feeling,
like we just talked about with little flu or feeling
the emotions of the game, or feeling the offensive guy
that he spends the entire time on. You know that
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this is what I feel like is the right direction.
Detroit misses that a little bit. Certainly, Ben Johnson's done
a great job in Chicago put the Bears where they are,
but this is a coordinator that they desperately lost and
desperately miss.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Okay, let's go to the nightcap. Let's start in the negative.
What's wrong with Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 10 (25:26):
Yeah, I just I feel like he's just missing grows
and I know that we're all watching it unfold, but
just the lack of like the locked in or the
decision making, and he just looked like he was, you know,
rushing himself and then quickly explicting the ball out and
trying to make a play, and just it's affected his accuracy.
And I don't think it was the weather at all.
(25:46):
This has been something we've seen with Lamars not processing
very well for him, and therefore you know he's looking
arrent and then his accuracy's really off almost back to
like his rookie campaign, kind of a feeling where what's
going on with this guy? So I don't have a
great answer for why Lamar Jackson feels like he's regressed
based off what he's been able to do in the past.
(26:07):
But I would say that the main thing is that
I feel like he's rushing as you're watching on the field,
like he's like someone's in this year saying you got
to make the decision, hurry and.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Make a decision.
Speaker 10 (26:15):
And because of that, I think he's throwing the ball,
you know, early, and it's throwing off his accuracy.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I guess my question is, you know, Greg Roman, they
thought they had hit a ceiling with Greg Roman's offense,
and my thought was, like, you want MVP with that offense.
I don't. I don't think that's what it was. But
you know, you're bringing Monk in and it's a passing
based offense. He still runs, but it's more, Hey, now
(26:41):
he's been the league. Now he's a better Now he's
a better passer, not just a thrower. And I again,
and their defense isn't you know when they were when
they were failing in the playoffs previously, the defense was awesome,
and the offense, you know, was allowed to to just
run the football and to be conservative occasionally take a shot.
Is it too much for him to carry the team
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as a passer.
Speaker 10 (27:03):
It feels like it right now, right. I mean, Mike
McDonald ottis is a great defensive corder, has done a
great job as the head coach down Seattle and getting
them in position of the postseason, and they missed that
he was, you know, he's brilliantly smart, and so they
missed that defensive side of the ball where maybe the
town's not to the level we've seen the Ravens before,
but they were technically on top of everything offensively. The
frustrating thing for me when I watched the Ravens, and
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I'm sure Ravens says too, they could have run the
ball last night like they were running the ball perfectly fine.
They just couldn't stick with it. But you know, if
they can just find a way to get back to
Derrick Henry and giving him the ball twenty plus times
a game, I think that even if they fall behind
ten or twelve or thirteen points, I think you still
want to focus on Dereck Henry getting the ball because
that to me, is your ticket to finding a way
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to still win the North, which again is wide open,
and even the Bengals, as hard as it's to imagine,
and so late, you're only a few games out now,
you know, and I know we don't have a lot
of games left, but you know it might be nine
and eight or eight and nine could win that division,
which before the season started, Doug, I would have never
dreamt that with those three teams Pittsburgh obviously, Baltimore and Cincinnati,
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I would have never dreamt it would have been that
kind of an outcome before the seasons ended up right.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Now, I'm obviously as a coach, I'm even a football fan.
You love what Joe Burrows said. And here's here's kind
of my takeaway. Mark, just stick with me. Let me
kind of explain it. Were so critical of athletes when
it's load management or when they shut it down, you know,
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late in the college football season, late in the NFL season,
and yet our generation, you and I were kind of
the ones that came up with this idea of load
management or protecting the asset that that is the player
in college, in the pros or whatever. So if anything,
we got to be self critical and understand that you know,
gen X is being critical of gen Z for an
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idea for an idea and a plan that is really
a gen X plan. That being that being said, what
does it say What does Joe Burrow playing despite the
very very slight chance of making the playoffs say about
Burrow and and how we view him.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
Yeah, I mean, if you I'm sure as we watched
the game last night, we saw the injury history of
Joe Burrow and it's it's something that I've talked about
multiple times over the years that that's just a sad
fact of his career, whether it was in college or
now in the NFL, that he gets banged up a lot.
And I think for Joe, he wants to prove that
he can be out there with the guys, and he
understands every year can be magical and special and you
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just don't know how it's longer you get to play
this game. It can be taken away from you in
a blink. And so I love that that he decided
that he wanted to be out there. And I think
it also because the Bengals were mathematically still alive, that
you put him back out there and say, hey, well,
let's let's see what we can do and see what
we're kind of spark we can give the team. And
even though we started a little slow, he's certainly you know,
sped up and really kind of you know, looked like
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the Joe Burrow that you know, could have been the
that you know, when's the division we'll see. I mean again,
we've got only a few We got enough games left
where you could say, yeah, it would be bizarre, but
you know, they play each other, They've got to play
out the components. You know, nothing's pulling apart for any
team right now.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
In the North.
Speaker 10 (30:13):
It's a stretch. But it was fun to watch him
be out there and show that you know, as a leader,
he's gonna if he can be there, he'll be there.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Okay, help me out, I need the absolute neutral former
gentle manager, former player personnel guy, your opinion on Shador Sanders.
How did he play in his first week as a starter?
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Uh?
Speaker 10 (30:37):
You know, I you know you got to give him
credit for at least you know, I know, you make
the half back pass and you know you got to
let the running backs. You know, Scamper's in for a
long touchdown and so he gets the stats for that,
but he still has to get the ball in his
hand to put in the right spot. You know, he
made the one throw down the field, but overall, I
still felt like the game was uber fast for him.
I don't feel like it's and I would have him
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the start of this week. I would. I would at
three or four starts unless he fails desperately or terribly,
I should say, you know, I would go ahead and
get a sense because really, where the Browns sit as
an organization is who's the number two? Is Biling going
to be the number two? Is shoud Door good enough
to be a number two? Let's figure that out, because
there's really no number one on this roster. I don't
think it's either one of these guys based off of
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what I've seen from both of them this year. But
I would like to see more should do. But I
don't think it's going to get better, honestly, Doug. I
just and I'm not a hater on Shaduur or anything
like that, I just feel like the process sings too
fast for him and he doesn't process it's fast enough.
And like what he was able to do in Colorado,
where the system was really quick, you get the ball out.
Now things are everything's moving so much faster. I think
it's hard for him.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Is that something that improves with experience?
Speaker 10 (31:44):
Usually it can because the games of quote unquote slows
down for young players, But to me, the style of play.
This is why Shouduor dropped because a lot of people
worried about the system he played in Colorado that was
so quarterback friendly for him specifically, that can that trans
laid over. So a lot of people are like, I
don't know what you know. I thought he was a
first round pick. Well, a lot of scouts went in
there and go, you know, I don't know about this
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office is what we're going to run in the NFL,
And so therefore do I feel like he's got the
same tools I can get him to where he needs
to go to the next level, and a lot of
clips that I don't think so, you know, and obviously
the other things around you. To her, he's tried to
handle those the best he can. But I think when
you watch it, yes, you're supposed to give him more time,
but to me, I still think you're going to see
a lot of interceptions over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Okay, same question with JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 10 (32:32):
I think it's fair, and I think the same thing
is very frustrated for JJ also is that you feel
like he should be able to do it and be
more of a consistent player, you know, one through four quarters,
and not be spurty. And I think that the same
thing though, is no matter what I played JJ the
rest of the year, as long as he can be
on the football field to find out exactly what I have.
But I got to understand that as an organization, I
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don't have to be married to him. As much as
that sounds crazy, he's only two years in and this
is really only his first year.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
You know.
Speaker 10 (32:58):
The one mistake you can do is say, well, we'll
just give him one more year and so we can
get just figured out if the Vikings are in a
position where they could draft another quarterback and say, hey,
look we're going to make a competition, but we've got
to find that guy. That's what you have to do,
because in the end, we all know that that's really
what matters the most, is who's pulling the trigger on
your football team at that position. If that means you
have to go back to the well again, go back
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to the well. Look at Chris Ballard. He's done it
basically every year as a coach GM. He's had a
different starter out there, and now he may have found
the right one at Daniel Jones for a while.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Mark you the best man. I love your analysis, obviously,
I respect all the experience you have and I hope
you had a great Thanksgiving with the family. Enjoyed this weekend.
We'll talk to you next week on my show. In
the meantime, thanks so much for being a guest in
the hurt.
Speaker 10 (33:40):
Thanks for having me on. Like Happy Thanksgiving brother.
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Hoops a topic of conversation, it always is during Thanksgiving
weeks holiday tournament. Doug Gottlieb was fresh off of a
tournament at the US Virgin Islands as Green Bay took fourth,
went to and one during those games over the weekend.
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Doug's gonna join us from the Islands in a bit,
Doug Gottlieb show, Fox Sports Radio. She's Monty Bolanos. I'm
Dan Byer joining us now, fresh off of a fourth
place finish at the Paradise Jam on the US Virgin Islands.
He's the head coach of the Green Bay Phoenix and
the host of this show. Doug Gottlieb joining us here.
(35:40):
So when one coach job well.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Done, I mean I'm getting goosnest here and thinking about it,
you know, I mean, what what people who don't know
our sport don't understand is like it's kind of career.
It was like schedule aside what I what I did
to start to hear rights at Minnesota, at Buffalo, at
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Saint Thomas, and then to this tournament where we were
far away to the lowest rated team last year and
going into this year. So to win too, you know,
against and to play as well as we played against
Yale in the first game, who won the tournament. It
was just awesome. And then you know, we were able
to do so with our leading scorer Marcos Slho rolled
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his ankle at the end of the Yale game, so
he didn't play in the two wins. And you know
the difference in this year's team and last year's team,
as you know, Dan. Last year we lost the nation's
lean scorer, Anthony Roy, and we just kind of collapsed
for about a month before we figured it out. And
you know, this year we've you know, we have I
got a little bit more talent and just now and
came off the bench and gave us twenty seven to
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twenty eight back to back nights, and the guys, guys
just fought is really really fought. And it was a big,
big week for us in terms of like team bonding
and then figuring ourselves out. So yeah, thanks, thanks for
the congratulations.
Speaker 13 (36:58):
Yeah, I think that. I think it's great. You talked
so much last year. Are you maybe overscheduled and this
year you were going to be conscious of it? Has
that worked out so far? Because I mean this tournament,
you're facing an IONA team that's picked top half of
Metro Atlantic. You've got UMass in them, an American they're
considered a top half program and in that league. In
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the preseason, Paul, you just mentioned Yale their pick to
win the IVY League. Was this kind of what you
had in mind in terms of comparing the last year
when you were playing all those big, big teams.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
No, No, this year's actually this year's actually worse, but
now it gets it only gets better now because we
have the game spaced out. You know, last year they
were just like kind of earlier. This year kind of
stacked on you. It's hard to get them all in.
But you know now what we play halfo any nations
with a nine dy one. It's a big game for
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us with with the folks that are night of sponsoring it.
That's Saturday, and then we open up conference play a
week from Thursday, so we have like spit because you know,
like they get worn down, and also you have to
kind of and once you figure your team out, Okay,
this is what defense they plays, this is what offense,
this is what the rotation or you know, so you
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need some practice time and we just didn't have it
last year, and we were traveling so far across the country.
So we this year we're able to condense the travel
Saint Thomas and Minnesota one trip, you know this three
games one trip, so it was it was less taxing.
But the level of competition is actually higher this year.
Santa Barbara coming up still, Campbell coming up still. But
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the good thing is we have some space between games
and then next year we'll we'll still play a good
group of mid and high majors, and then we'll have
you know, some more teams at our level home and
road that we can play. We just you know, you
absorb some of the previous and that it's actually two
staffs to go schedule and then last staff and it's
it's honestly, Dan, it's like when you're taking over being
(38:59):
a contractor for how that's had like two other contractors,
You're like, why they did this. It made sense to
them at the time, but doesn't make sense what you
want to do. So this year we were able to
space out some of the games, especially moving forward, and
then next year we're we're going to try and space
them out and thence to travel and play a little
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bit more appropriate level opponents for half of the non conference.
Speaker 13 (39:23):
And I don't want the question to be posed in
a certain way because the whole nobody you crap last
year was just completely it was wrong because it wasn't
You weren't talking about Michigan Tech in that conversation. My
point with the schools that you played in the Paradise
Jam or that these aren't bottom feed er schools from
the worst conferences of college basketball, that these are legitimate programs.
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I mean, we know, UMass, we know Frank Martin, but
that is more of I was wondering if that is
more of like a test for you guys at this
point of your program tenure, that were these schools more
appropriate to find out where green right now, That's kind
of my question and my point.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
I mean, like, you know, Buffalo is undefeated in the MAC,
and we felt like we had a good shot to
beat them. I didn't play just Tallens that game because
he was not yet, not yet where we wanted to
be defensively. So maybe maybe I'm an idiot in that sense,
but yeah, I mean I really you messed Dan. I
mean you watched all of our games.
Speaker 13 (40:24):
Why do we get beat defense.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Outside of defense rebounding turnovers?
Speaker 13 (40:30):
Right yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
And so.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
You know again I think you mess out rebounded us,
but they're a phenomenal rebounding team. But we were right there.
We we didn't turn the ball over against them five
turnovers last night, won the rebounding battle. Last night, we
won the rebounding battle against Yale. So you know, like
when you're well, you can't just go by results. The
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process of getting better defensively getting better on the boards,
getting more secure with the basketball. All it's all there,
and then we just we've thrown some in to win
some of these games. But the bigger point in terms
of tests you mess, I mean, Frank Martins team's play
hard and physical, and last year's team probably would have
wilted at some point under the pressure. This team did not.
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And then you know, I ownA plays a really really
electric offensive style and we fell fell behind early like
nine to nothing, not playing well, and then fell behind
again started second half. Last year's team would have wilted.
This year's team did not. So I think that's where
the growth is, regardless of quality of opponents. Yeah, those
are good teams. They're frankly above our level in really
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in good major leagues. Weren't a good major major league,
but you know we were. We were picked three hundred
and twentieth in the country. So right now we're playing
better than that. But we'll see if we can keep
it going.
Speaker 13 (41:49):
All right, Edo Jason Stewart wants in, but I've got
one more and I'm just curious on how much it's
you take over the program in May of twenty twenty four,
so just of having that extra two months, having that
extra time to prepare the season. How different has that
been to be able to have like a full basically
a full year, to have your fingerprints on it.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Oh, it's totally different. I mean my staff is different.
And again it's not like to take shots at players
of the past or staff in the past, but like,
what works for me is different than I thought. What
works for Green Green Bay is a little bit different
than I thought. And then you have to really judge
the landscape and you know, you kind of got to
get a feel for who can play for you and
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what you need and all those things. So and we're
still not perfect. We missed. We missed on some kids
in recruiting that either playing well elsewhere that we passed
on or we didn't you know, we didn't go hard
enough on some of the kids. There's a couple of
ours that are not yet bought into what we want.
And but yeah, better, I mean, you know, I'm not
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an idiot, Like I know that you need experience and
that it was it was gonna be hard with the experience.
And then it's not just that it was in May,
but it was you know, Sunday and Swix did a
great job, but he was only there for you know,
thirteen months. You know, so again like you're coming in
and you're cleaning up messes. And last year we were
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on academic probation and you know, everything that could go
wrong went wrong. So yeah, I feel much more confident
and competent. And you know, I'm bummed that I didn't
get to do the show while we're in the Virgin Islands.
But you know, you get all these things, like you
it does give you a chance to reflect and take
a snapshot of it. And it's really interesting, you know,
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because you know, some other players and other coaches come
up like, hey, I actually listen to your show. You're
not doing it this week. Like, no, the games at
the same time as my show doesn't work. So the
whole thing is better and it feels more comfortable. And yeah,
I mean the ext it's not just the extra two months.
It's when you coach in college basketball. You have a
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better feel for the portal, You got a better feel
for the fishy and you got a better field for schedule,
get a better feel for staff, your own players, how
it all works, you know. And also I haven't been
doing it for forty years, so I'm not annoyed by
little things like all these things are new and fun
to me, So that part helps too. That and I look,
we were bad. You know, I took a beating in
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the media. I'm still going to take a beating every
time we lose. You know. I don't know how good
we are ultimately. But that was different than I thought
it would be, and it affected my players more than
I thought it would affect them. But I also think
that the ones that came back, part of it is
they came back because they want to prove everybody wrong,
and we use that to kind of fuel them as well.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
I think the one thing that I am in charge
of around here is I have my finger on the
pulse of social media. I am a good rip barometer
for the social media reaction to you and you and
your team. And I've noticed a couple of things over
the last couple of days. One of two things really quiet,
really quiet on the negative front. And then I've seen
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a lot of compliments. And I'm gonna say this because
you can't so all those jerks that were quick to
kick Doug Gottlieb and the teeth a year ago, I
need you to go on to your social media now
and give credit when credits due. I know it's only
the first month of the season. I know it's only
three wins, but you can't kick him in the teeth
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for an entire season without being like, you know what,
maybe I was wrong about this guy. That's what I'm
looking for, Doug. I know you can't say it, but
that's what I'm looking for. You deserve that.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
I agree. Guys, been doing all shore radio all the time.
Speaker 13 (45:39):
We've done a little. Yeah, we've done a little.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Listen. I appreciate. I appreciate Jason. I would just say that,
like again, you know, nobody's when I do in victory
laps over you know, winning two games in the Constellation backet.
We I know my coaches have really really helped me,
and I've gotten better. I believe we're really well coached
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and well prepared, and I think our players are better
collectively better. I know there's you know who knows. I
think our league is really good. I think it's gonna
be hard, but it's a lot like the Shador thing, right, like, hey,
just one game the best of the best. It's how
much can you how often can you do it? How consistently.
Can you do it? And the only way to shut
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people up is to just keep a keep at it
and keep doing your job. And you know you can't
control what other people think of what you're doing.
Speaker 15 (46:41):
Hey, Doug, a quick question for actually just sort of
a general.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
No without playing Iowa, well, I saw.
Speaker 15 (46:47):
That on the schedule. Maybe someday in the future that
would be nice. But how about this the Holy Trinity
of experiences from the cribbing your first time down there?
Speaker 13 (46:56):
Can you give me one food takeaway?
Speaker 15 (46:59):
One's just sort of island takeaway of your experience in
the Caribbean, first time in the Caribbean, And did you
have a carib beer?
Speaker 3 (47:08):
I did not have a curb beer, although I'm at
the airport bar. I might I mean, do I need
to I take a suggestion?
Speaker 15 (47:16):
We were just it's just it's just to say you
did so. It's it's nothing special, but just just as
curious about I saw your I saw like maybe the
foyer or whatever it is to your hotel. It looked
so gorgeous, like, look, tell us about that Western.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
We stayed the Western, and I think it had been
redone because I think one of the hurricanes hit it
my brother last time he coached here. He said, you know,
hurricane and hid and so they didn't stay there or whatever.
It was spectacular. We never left the property except for
practice and games. We didn't need to, so I have
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no real experience at the same Thomas, other than the
beach was amazing, the weather was perfect, that people are nice,
and everybody everybody for now on you when I tell
you it's five minutes, I'll be home in five minutes.
Or I'll do in five minutes, and five turns to
seven or ten or twelve. Just so I'm an island times.
I've learned that island times. I got leave done. I
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feel like the most efficient guy ever down here.
Speaker 13 (48:17):
Let's wrap it up. I can hear the announcements being made.
I can't wait to see what's going to happen in
conference play. But job well done on the islands, and
safe travels back here to the mainland.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Thanks, thanks guys. Next time we do the island trip,
that's when we have to do the remote not in Kansas.
Speaker 13 (48:34):
Yes, agreed, all right, Safe travels.
Speaker 12 (48:40):
Breaking news from Fox Sports.
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Speaker 16 (48:46):
The NFL has just suspended Carolina Panthers safety Trayvon Merrig
one game without pay for punching San Francisco forty nine
Ers receiver Juwan Jennings in the groin during last night's game.
Speaker 4 (49:01):
He does have the right to appeal.
Speaker 13 (49:02):
I'm calling it package gate. I don't know what you
want to call it. I don't know that's what I'm
going to call this package gate?
Speaker 14 (49:09):
Can you explain that for the people who.
Speaker 13 (49:11):
May not know what? No, I don't, I don't. I
can only do it after ten PM. I can only
explain it at that point. Mark had a cast as
well when he took the shot to Juwan Jennings. The
question is this is now back to back weeks where
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we've had disrespected respect acts on the football field between
opposing players.
Speaker 14 (49:40):
Yeah, which is unfortunate because it's you just don't want
to see that. I mean, the spinning thing is one thing,
but I obviously do not know what it.
Speaker 13 (49:49):
Is like to be hit there. Sure you know what
I'm saying, but it seems awful. What's worse? Do you think?
Not pain tolerance because spinning the isn't hurt. But what
is worse integrity.
Speaker 14 (50:02):
Wise, I feel like a dude doing that to a
dude hurting you in the spot where it hurts. That's
kind of worse because it's like, you know what, you
know how much.
Speaker 13 (50:13):
Let's let's ask a dude, Jason Stewart, what's worse spin
on or being hit in the package?
Speaker 4 (50:17):
No, I think if you're just doing disrespect and dehumanizing,
I think I think spitting is close to the top
than other bottom way fluids.
Speaker 13 (50:27):
But but you guys play games like you do do that?
You do that? Yes, nobody plays, you know, loogie games
with each other.
Speaker 14 (50:39):
Yeah, the spit thing is complete disrespect. The other one
is I want to cause you pain because you guys
know that it's causing pain. It's like the easiest way
to cause pain.
Speaker 13 (50:47):
Yes, which kind of sucks, like.
Speaker 14 (50:49):
You took a that's an eat.
Speaker 13 (50:50):
That's a cheap shot, as you know, we we know
it is.
Speaker 14 (50:54):
But yes, the spit thing is is definitely more disrespectful.
Speaker 13 (50:57):
But Jason, I felt like I cut you off, that
I cut you off or you.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
No, no, No, I think she's right. What she's just
said is true. And I think another man going after
another man's jewels, it's just a different category of not cool,
correct and bush league. But the spitting is just degraded
in his helf.
Speaker 13 (51:17):
Well, it's also it's also whack because you could shove him,
you could hit him in the face, so many other things, yes,
but the ultimate side of disrespect is the spitting.
Speaker 14 (51:28):
Absolutely absolutely, like you said, you could have punched them,
shoved them, but instead you.
Speaker 13 (51:32):
Went, I'd rather be hit in the that area than
to be spit.
Speaker 14 (51:37):
On, sure, because it's I think it's degrading.
Speaker 13 (51:40):
I think that's the word, and I agree with Jason.
There's not enough parrel in here as well that would
be able to solve the spit being on you. Hey,
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A little bit human but not no bugs, No, not
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mile in our wins this afternoon still may happen here
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inch of snow. I was on an island like yesterday,
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and we're digging out the snow today. But such is life.
Welcome to the Gottlieb Show. Good to be back, Good
to be with you. Let's talk some sports, shall we.
I heard something from Joe Burrow and it's really interesting,
Like Joe Burrow today is going to be healed hailed
as a hero, right, I mean, just like like you
(01:52):
go through the heroes of our lifetime in sports, and
Joe Burrow's going to be listed a month those guys
because well, this is what he said. What he was
asked about. Are the argument being made the Bengals should
not play him tomorrow or the rest of the season
(02:12):
because they're out of the playoffs. Here's what Joe Burrow
had to say.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I understand why people feel that way, but if you
look at it from my perspective, I'm a football player,
and if I get hurt, I'm going to go through
the rehab process, and then I'm gonna let everybody know
when I feel like I can go out there and play.
I'm not gonna ever go to somebody and say, yeah,
(02:38):
I'm healthy, But no, I don't think. I don't think
I should go out there and play. That doesn't make
a lot of sense to me. I'm not gonna live
my life and play this game scared of something happening.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, And the idea is that we're somehow making it
heroic for Joe Burrow to do his job, which is
becase quarterback of the Bengals. And what he's saying is like,
I'm a football player. I play football. When there's a
football game, it makes total sense. And here's the I
(03:12):
don't know if it's a catch twenty two or jaxtaposition, Chase,
do you're you can parse by words as as much
as you'd like and tell me what you think. But
on one hand, and Jason, I think you like to
poke fun at gen Z rightfully so for how they
(03:33):
have become just an entitled generation of people. But if
you think about it, the people who are asking Joe Burrow,
why are you playing the games don't mean anything because
you got a one percent chance of making the playoffs.
Those are the same people who are critical of modern
day athletes for being soft, or for only playing when
(03:57):
they want to play, or for load management. Like, on
one hand, our generation, right Gen X, was the one
that came up with load management. Our generation is the
one that said, hey, let's be smart, don't play a
guy when he does need it, because all he can
do is get hurt. And yet our generation is the
(04:18):
same one that's like, hey, those guys are soft. They
don't play every game like previous generations and our generation did.
It's it's it's kind of a fascinating social experiment here.
And yeah, I mean, I there's lots of things you
learn the more you're around sports. First thing you learned
I think people are learning, especially this is not everybody
(04:39):
plays football loves football, but Joe Burrow does.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Not.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Everybody that that that uh plays sports understands that the
job of sport is not just to play when you
want to play or when it's good for the team
to play, but at all times. And again it's our generation,
the older generation that kills that let me give you
(05:04):
a college football example. Right, we are and I have
been harshly critical of players sitting out of bowl games
in the past, or sitting out of games you know,
red There's there's a movement. There's been a movement of
guys four games in the year red shirting and saying
refusing to play because things weren't what they thought. And
(05:25):
if you do have the ability to red shirt, even
if you play four games in college football, it's easy
to be critical of those guys and say, what are
you doing. You sign up to play for a school.
You play for the school. If they want to play
you one snap or one Hunter snaps, you play. That's
what you do. And now you're getting compensated to play.
That's what you do. On the other hand, it's our
generation which came up with these rules. It's our generation
(05:48):
which is firing coaches three, four or five games in
the season, which essentially cancels the season and says we
have no hope and says we're looking to move on anyway.
So do I think that Joe Burrow is a heroic figure?
Not about heroic, but it's the kind of message that
when you say it, how can you not be a
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Joe Burrow fan. On the other hand, isn't he simply
doing his job. It's like the old Chris Rock bit
on guys saying, like I take care of my kids,
you're supposed to take care of your kids. Yeah, that's
what you're supposed to do. It's the same thing as
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a quarterback. Why are we celebrating a guy for playing
quarterback on a three and eight team when he's making
a ton of money to be the quarterback. Whether they're
three and eight or eight and three, it shouldn't matter.
And the root cause of the problem is not gen Z,
it's gen X. We came up with all these ideas
(06:54):
and we've come up with the decision to fire coaches
early on the season and essentially cancel their season. We
came up with load management, so we now we shouldn't
be surprised when players dive into that. But we also
should feel super weird and self conscious about guys saying, Hey,
I think it's weird to even celebrate the fact that
(07:14):
I'm playing football.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Go ahead, Jason, it's an interesting You're right, it's an
interesting human experiment. It's an interesting social experiment. And I'll explain.
So I'm guessing in our talk space, there is an
overlap between the people that have been against load management
for years and the same people probably this week being
(07:39):
like the Bengals are idiots for playing Joe Burrow. Yes,
they want they want their cake and they want to
eat it too. Now it's an interesting social experiment. And
you know me, I don't. I don't do this lightly.
I don't go here often, but I will say this,
how much how much does race play into this? How
much of the load management is black guys not work
(08:00):
who make a lot of money? And this week don't
play Joe Burrow? Why would you play Joe Burrow? The
white quarterback? But how wout you think that is?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It hadn't come to my mind at all.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I do think, I do think it strikes me this week.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh I well, I don't. I don't know on on Burrow.
I mean, part of Burrow's thing is he has been
hurt a lot, right, he has been hurt a lot.
So it's it's more than just like, well he's never
been hurt like he'd been hurt a lot, or it
feels that way. I do think that there are other
instances NBA players probably catch the most flack for it
(08:41):
that there's always going to be a group of people that,
you know, you have, the racial bias of a black
guy not going to play in a game is somehow
a bigger deal than a white guy not playing a game.
My issue with that is I have a blind spot
to it because it just does and it's not I
(09:01):
would never think about it. But the more you say it,
the more you go, yeah, Okay, I don't know if
it's there with football, because I think that people believe
that football players ultimately everybody gets hurt when it's not
really the case. It's not really the case. It's like
Tom Brady played twenty years, Yeah, the urs ACL Yeah,
(09:25):
but that's literally like the only injury he ever had.
It's kind of crazy, and he was a statue back there, statue.
But it is a tremendous social experiment.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
And you bring up the that the fact that there
we always think that all these people when they get
to the professional level are in it to win it, like, yes,
their only goal is to win at all costs, especially
in team sports. And remember Cam Newton said this about
six weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Remember, would you rather being a spot where you can
individual achieve have success, have statistics and lose, or would
you want to be someone that contributes to a team
that can win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (10:08):
And I'm glad you asked that. When you're talking about
individual play, this is how I this is how I
take care of my family. Team success don't take care
of my family. So if I'm thinking about it from
a personal standpoint, of course, we want the best of
both worlds. But if you're asking me what gives you extinsions,
what gives you top tier money, what gives you certain things,
(10:31):
there are some more players that have rings, championships and
things that are struggling rather than quote unquote bus that
has had money and they're doing right by their money.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, I don't. Yeah, it's just it's such a bad narrative.
I do think there are people that believe that. I
just don't think they're the brightest people in the world.
But yeah, that's that's what some people do believe. And
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Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Shor Sanders had
another time with the media today. Here's what he had
to say.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
All your supporters out, I dare say that that Kevin
Stefanski was sabotageing me.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
So you just want to start trouble.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Oh, I know.
Speaker 9 (11:37):
I want to ask you what your relationship with him?
Speaker 8 (11:41):
Yeah, well, what people do outside the building isn't really
in my control, is not in my power, so you
had like I go out there and tell him to
do whatever. You know, that's that's not nothing I could
control or nothing.
Speaker 10 (11:51):
I could do.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
But overall, you know, I'm just happy to be here. Stefan.
You've been coaching since I got here, and uh, you've
been doing a very great job, you know, with everything
that's going on.
Speaker 9 (12:03):
But what is your relationship like with him? And when
we don't see you guys together.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
Definitely like a coach, you know, he tells me what
I need to do on and off the field. We've
definitely grown our relationship and everything is grown. So I'm
just thankful to be here.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Well, that was a non answer answer, wasn't it. That
was a non answer answer, and that non answer tells
you everything you need to know, tells you everything you
need to know. Oh wait, there's more. Here's Kendrick Perkins.
He was on a podcast this week. This is his
(12:42):
comment about shird Door Sanders.
Speaker 11 (12:45):
Shadula Sanders is the most powerful black man since two
thousand and nine. You know what happened in two thousand
and nine, that's when President Obama got elected in office.
He's the most powerful black man since two thousand and nine.
You said you were sitting there watching the game in
(13:06):
your house, and what you did?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You ran?
Speaker 11 (13:09):
You ran with the TV. Right, what was you doing?
Speaker 1 (13:11):
dB?
Speaker 11 (13:13):
You was chairing like when Shadua Sanders is on the field.
And when I say powerful, powerful, because it's two sides
of it, right, think about it. Okay, you got the
black community. He bringing the whole black community together. I
ain't ran across one black person that then said one
bad thing about should do it. We won't even guess
(13:35):
what not one because he has the balance. He has
the balance of that. I'm arrogant, but I'm humble too,
and he having fun with it. And on top of that,
y'all want me to say it ain't y'all want me
to feel.
Speaker 12 (13:49):
It ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 11 (13:50):
He's the most powerful black man in sports, no other,
no other, matter of fact black man.
Speaker 13 (13:56):
He the most powerful player in sports.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I don't really know where to go with a lot
of that. I will say this I have. I mean,
half my team is black. I have half my staff
as black. And the general consensus from my staff guys
is they are big shador in Dion fans, Chadoor and
(14:23):
Dion fans. He's not the most powerful guy in sports.
I do think that the black community by and large
embraces him and seems to have made this into some
sort of racial thing. Well, it's it's comedy because Dylan
(14:47):
Gabriel is not white, you know. And oh yeah, by
the way, the guy who was the starting quarterback before
injury for the Cleveland Browns, who has the largest guarantee
in the history of the league, just so happens to
be black as well. That's the actual starting quarterback of
(15:08):
the Cleveland brown So there's a lot too it that
has nothing to do with race, and that Kendrick Perkins,
maybe he's been hanging out with Ryan Clark too much,
is making it completely about race. But I do think
the black community has embraced him. I don't think any
of the other stuff is true or factual or whatever.
But I just again, this is why it better work,
(15:29):
because if it doesn't, nobody wants that on their team.
Nobody wants the idea of if you don't play a guy,
you're racist or you don't want him to do well,
and Shador is not helping it. Mike, Look, you have
to stop lying to yourself and lying to the public.
(15:51):
You do whether or not Shador has a good repute,
a good relationship with Kevin Stefanski or not. The answer
he gave is a telling answer, and it is a
terrible answer because it throws fuel to the fire. It's
very easy because his initial part of the answer was great.
(16:12):
The initial part of the answer is there's lots of
noise outside the building. I can't control that, period, stop
fix it. Then the guy's like, no, but what's your
actual relationship? Like, well, he's like a coach and it's
gotten better, and he tells me what to do. The
(16:32):
only answer you need is, hey, people outside, they don't
know what's your relationship? Like great, awesome, he's been great.
I keep learning. I love his offense. I love it here.
I can't wait to get out there and show everybody
what we're putting in between last week and this week.
(16:53):
That's the answer. That's how you do it. And we
can sit there and go like, well, he's young, he
isn't bull bull because he could take coaching from his dad,
and his dad is not helping him. His dad is
hurting him because he just killed his coach once again
without trying, without openly trying to play that answer for
(17:16):
me one more time before bringing rich Ornberger, remember listen
to the entire because the first part is good. First
part is like, hey, I can't control everything else. But
then when they followed up and ask what your asking
relationship is, that's when he stepped in.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
All your supporters out, I dare say that that Kevin
Stefanski was sabotaging me.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
So you just want to start troubling out.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I know, I want to.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
Ask you what your relationship with him?
Speaker 8 (17:43):
Yeah, well, what people do outside of the building isn't
really in my control, is not in my power, So
you had like I go out there and tell him
to do whatever. You know, that's that's not nothing I
could control or nothing I could do. But overall, you know,
I'm just happy to be here cause Stefanski been coaching
since I got here, and uh, you've been doing a
very great job, you know with everything that's going on.
Speaker 9 (18:05):
But what is your relationship like with him? And when
we don't see you guys together.
Speaker 8 (18:10):
Definitely like a coach, you know, he tells me what
I need to do on and off the field. We've
definitely grown our relationship and everything is grown. So I'm
just thankful to be here.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah he is, he says grown. He didn't say it
was good. He didn't say it was great. He made
it out like he's imposed doing on and out the field.
It feels like he's like a parent. It's a bad answer.
It's bad as he was doing so well up into that.
But hey, he's been doing great with everything. What's your
(18:43):
relationship actually like it's like a coach like a player.
Speaker 12 (18:47):
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Speaker 1 (18:51):
Radio Doug Gottleibn for Colin. It's the Herd. You're on
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from Green Bay, Wisconsin. Most of you, mostly in the Midwest,
know that it's coming. We got we got a little
dust in the other day, but it's it's coming. It's
(19:12):
coming tomorrow, first first snowstorm of the season. Mark Dominic
doesn't have these problems, right, I mean, he he picked
an organization in Tampa. He's a Florida guy, Florida, California.
People like, I don't know what you're talking about. How
you talking about former gentle manager of the Tampa Buccaneers.
Of course, spent his entire professional life in the National
Football League and he joins us now in the herd
(19:33):
on Fox Sports Radio. How were we so wrong about
the Cowboys? Mark?
Speaker 10 (19:42):
Yeah, you know, they've just been so inconsistent. It's been
hard to understand what team we're going to see each week.
And yesterday we saw that the offense continues to shine
under Brian Schottenheimer and what Dak Prescott was able to do,
and it certainly George Pickens made a lot of great plays,
so the long Ferguson and so the Cowboys have found
(20:03):
a way to be, you know, just frustratingly inconsistent, but
yet still have a shot in a path to the
postseason somehow.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Okay, what about the Chiefs, you know, It's like you
go back about a month ago, You're like, all right,
here they come and here they sit. You know, it's
it's I mean it, look, my faith remains in Andy
Reid and Pat Mahomes, but heck dyed lost coming out
of a bye which you know does have more in
(20:32):
Kansasity than did in Philadelphia, but rarely happens. And you look,
the Broncos and Bills are good teams. The culture good
teams some of its schedule, but some of it is
they're just what's missing there?
Speaker 10 (20:46):
Well, I think two things. I think number one, you know,
we saw sadly Josh Simmons looks like he might be
done for the year. You know, John Taylor's they're going
with their second or third and fourth offensive tackles. And
in Kansas City, we've seen it over and over again.
When that often the line starts to get depleted, they
can't win. And that's where they sit right now, is
they just can't keep as much as Patrick was, you know,
(21:07):
throwing the ball well and obviously the touchdowns yesterday that
I'm that offensive lines in shambles right now. And that's
that's the demise of the Chiefs and why they won't
make the postseason. Even with a couple of teams, I
think they can win. The other part of the Chiefs
that you see when you watch them play is they're
not fast. Defensively, they're strong, they're powerful, but they're not fast.
(21:27):
And to me, that shows up as well.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
You know what that reminds me of. It reminds me
of the end of the Patriots run, right, I mean
when when the downfall of the Patriots. Obviously, when Brady left,
they didn't have a quarterback, but even prior to that,
people like yourself, NFL people all said that the Patriots
they just weren't fast, they weren't flying around anymore. How
(21:51):
hard is that to fix? Can you fix that in
one offseason?
Speaker 10 (21:54):
I think you can. I mean again, you're going to
you know, decide what you want to do free agency,
but the draft is going to be a piece where
you can absolutely add some speed and get to you know,
maybe a linebacker. They need a speed rush edge is
what they really need. They need somebody that can come
off the edge. I can just you know, win the fastball,
and that's what they don't have to me consistently at all.
(22:14):
And so I think you're gonna have to look to
the draft, you know, and say first or second round.
That's where I think the Chiefs have to pinpoint somebody
that can get the edge and can win with a
fastball and hopefully develop an other rush move. The kids
seems to be in a weird spot. I mean, I
don't again, I don't think they're going to make the
postseason just because I don't. I think Jacksonville has too
many wins that are still on the board Buffalo can
(22:36):
you know, And so somebody's gonna win the you know,
the North somehow. But I just don't think kids that
you can put enough w's on the board now to
get to the postseason. So they'll be picking you know,
top twenty, which they haven't done in a long long time.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Okay, we go from met Lafleur a couple of weeks ago.
I go to the Eagles game and super super conservative,
and you and I have talked about it on my
show where I'm like, well, yeah, you lose Tucker you know,
Tucker Craft, and you lose your left tackle. And the
Eagles obviously have an unbelievable pass rush as we saw
against the Lions, and so maybe that's the reason they
(23:10):
were so concerned. You go from that to what we
saw from the Floor over the past two weeks, especially yesterday.
What why has his play calling been so different?
Speaker 10 (23:20):
In your opinion, he's been more aggressive. I think he's
kind of said, hey, look it is what it is,
we're gonna and I think he feels Jordan Love when
Jordan's kind of in the zone. I think he calls
the game based off hout Jordan's playing, and yesterday Jordan
was making throws and you know, you got to give
the Floor a ton of credit that fourth down call
to go to throw the ball up to Wix and
Wix makes the catch to you know, basically end the game,
(23:41):
kill the clock. That's a huge decision where they're sitting
on the field knowing you can bax them up all
the way to probe the top, you know, inside the
ten and make them drive the links of the field. Instead,
he says, I'm going to win the game right here,
and Jordan Love makes us thrill. But I think the
Floor is feeding off of where Jordan Love's confidence is
and you're seeing him be more aggressive with the play
call because of it.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Doug Gottliebin for Collins to hurt Fox Sports Radio, iHeart
Radio app. You and I have also discussed that as
a as a play caller, Dan Campbell feels like he
calls plays, but he's not an offensive coordinator. Right, this
is a play here and play there. It's not as smooth,
doesn't have the same rhythm. What did you think of yesterday?
Speaker 10 (24:21):
Yeah, I kind of feel the same way. Like, you know,
it's you know, the one thing about Jared Goffin and
maybe the entire offense is having. You know, it's interesting
you think about it from the defensive standpoint. For an
offensive standpoint, right, offensive coordators like three and out didn't
work out, We'll just punt. The defensive coordinator sits there
and goes, hey, three and it didn't work. It's well,
they just scored a touchdown. It's just a completely different
(24:42):
way to look for the game, right. I think if
you think of at home, you're like, yeah, I've never
thought of it that way, like an offen the quarteror
like if it doesn't work out, he just punt the
ball and try again. It doesn't work out. On defense,
you're in trouble and so that's why it makes it hard.
And I also think to your point, Doug, like you
want to find the rhythm with your quarterback where you're feeling,
like we just talked about with little flu or feeling
the emotions of the game, or feeling the offensive guy
that he spends the entire time on. You know that
(25:04):
this is what I feel like is the right direction.
Detroit misses that a little bit. Certainly, Ben Johnson's done
a great job in Chicago put the Bears where they are,
but this is a coordinator that they desperately lost and
desperately miss.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Okay, let's go to the nightcap. Let's start in the negative.
What's wrong with Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 10 (25:26):
Yeah, I just I feel like he's just missing grows
and I know that we're all watching it unfold, but
just the lack of like the locked in or the
decision making, and he just looked like he was, you know,
rushing himself and then quickly explicting the ball out and
trying to make a play, and just it's affected his accuracy.
And I don't think it was the weather at all.
(25:46):
This has been something we've seen with Lamars not processing
very well for him, and therefore you know he's looking
arrent and then his accuracy's really off almost back to
like his rookie campaign, kind of a feeling where what's
going on with this guy? So I don't have a
great answer for why Lamar Jackson feels like he's regressed
based off what he's been able to do in the past.
(26:07):
But I would say that the main thing is that
I feel like he's rushing as you're watching on the field,
like he's like someone's in this year saying you got
to make the decision, hurry and.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Make a decision.
Speaker 10 (26:15):
And because of that, I think he's throwing the ball,
you know, early, and it's throwing off his accuracy.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I guess my question is, you know, Greg Roman, they
thought they had hit a ceiling with Greg Roman's offense,
and my thought was, like, you want MVP with that offense.
I don't. I don't think that's what it was. But
you know, you're bringing Monk in and it's a passing
based offense. He still runs, but it's more, Hey, now
(26:41):
he's been the league. Now he's a better Now he's
a better passer, not just a thrower. And I again,
and their defense isn't you know when they were when
they were failing in the playoffs previously, the defense was awesome,
and the offense, you know, was allowed to to just
run the football and to be conservative occasionally take a shot.
Is it too much for him to carry the team
(27:01):
as a passer.
Speaker 10 (27:03):
It feels like it right now, right. I mean, Mike
McDonald ottis is a great defensive corder, has done a
great job as the head coach down Seattle and getting
them in position of the postseason, and they missed that
he was, you know, he's brilliantly smart, and so they
missed that defensive side of the ball where maybe the
town's not to the level we've seen the Ravens before,
but they were technically on top of everything offensively. The
frustrating thing for me when I watched the Ravens, and
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I'm sure Ravens says too, they could have run the
ball last night like they were running the ball perfectly fine.
They just couldn't stick with it. But you know, if
they can just find a way to get back to
Derrick Henry and giving him the ball twenty plus times
a game, I think that even if they fall behind
ten or twelve or thirteen points, I think you still
want to focus on Dereck Henry getting the ball because
that to me, is your ticket to finding a way
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to still win the North, which again is wide open,
and even the Bengals, as hard as it's to imagine,
and so late, you're only a few games out now,
you know, and I know we don't have a lot
of games left, but you know it might be nine
and eight or eight and nine could win that division,
which before the season started, Doug, I would have never
dreamt that with those three teams Pittsburgh obviously, Baltimore and Cincinnati,
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I would have never dreamt it would have been that
kind of an outcome before the seasons ended up right.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Now, I'm obviously as a coach, I'm even a football fan.
You love what Joe Burrows said. And here's here's kind
of my takeaway. Mark, just stick with me. Let me
kind of explain it. Were so critical of athletes when
it's load management or when they shut it down, you know,
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late in the college football season, late in the NFL season,
and yet our generation, you and I were kind of
the ones that came up with this idea of load
management or protecting the asset that that is the player
in college, in the pros or whatever. So if anything,
we got to be self critical and understand that you know,
gen X is being critical of gen Z for an
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idea for an idea and a plan that is really
a gen X plan. That being that being said, what
does it say What does Joe Burrow playing despite the
very very slight chance of making the playoffs say about
Burrow and and how we view him.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
Yeah, I mean, if you I'm sure as we watched
the game last night, we saw the injury history of
Joe Burrow and it's it's something that I've talked about
multiple times over the years that that's just a sad
fact of his career, whether it was in college or
now in the NFL, that he gets banged up a lot.
And I think for Joe, he wants to prove that
he can be out there with the guys, and he
understands every year can be magical and special and you
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just don't know how it's longer you get to play
this game. It can be taken away from you in
a blink. And so I love that that he decided
that he wanted to be out there. And I think
it also because the Bengals were mathematically still alive, that
you put him back out there and say, hey, well,
let's let's see what we can do and see what
we're kind of spark we can give the team. And
even though we started a little slow, he's certainly you know,
sped up and really kind of you know, looked like
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the Joe Burrow that you know, could have been the
that you know, when's the division we'll see. I mean again,
we've got only a few We got enough games left
where you could say, yeah, it would be bizarre, but
you know, they play each other, They've got to play
out the components. You know, nothing's pulling apart for any
team right now.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
In the North.
Speaker 10 (30:13):
It's a stretch. But it was fun to watch him
be out there and show that you know, as a leader,
he's gonna if he can be there, he'll be there.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Okay, help me out, I need the absolute neutral former
gentle manager, former player personnel guy, your opinion on Shador Sanders.
How did he play in his first week as a starter?
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Uh?
Speaker 10 (30:37):
You know, I you know you got to give him
credit for at least you know, I know, you make
the half back pass and you know you got to
let the running backs. You know, Scamper's in for a
long touchdown and so he gets the stats for that,
but he still has to get the ball in his
hand to put in the right spot. You know, he
made the one throw down the field, but overall, I
still felt like the game was uber fast for him.
I don't feel like it's and I would have him
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the start of this week. I would. I would at
three or four starts unless he fails desperately or terribly,
I should say, you know, I would go ahead and
get a sense because really, where the Browns sit as
an organization is who's the number two? Is Biling going
to be the number two? Is shoud Door good enough
to be a number two? Let's figure that out, because
there's really no number one on this roster. I don't
think it's either one of these guys based off of
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what I've seen from both of them this year. But
I would like to see more should do. But I
don't think it's going to get better, honestly, Doug. I
just and I'm not a hater on Shaduur or anything
like that, I just feel like the process sings too
fast for him and he doesn't process it's fast enough.
And like what he was able to do in Colorado,
where the system was really quick, you get the ball out.
Now things are everything's moving so much faster. I think
it's hard for him.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Is that something that improves with experience?
Speaker 10 (31:44):
Usually it can because the games of quote unquote slows
down for young players, But to me, the style of play.
This is why Shouduor dropped because a lot of people
worried about the system he played in Colorado that was
so quarterback friendly for him specifically, that can that trans
laid over. So a lot of people are like, I
don't know what you know. I thought he was a
first round pick. Well, a lot of scouts went in
there and go, you know, I don't know about this
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office is what we're going to run in the NFL,
And so therefore do I feel like he's got the
same tools I can get him to where he needs
to go to the next level, and a lot of
clips that I don't think so, you know, and obviously
the other things around you. To her, he's tried to
handle those the best he can. But I think when
you watch it, yes, you're supposed to give him more time,
but to me, I still think you're going to see
a lot of interceptions over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Okay, same question with JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 10 (32:32):
I think it's fair, and I think the same thing
is very frustrated for JJ also is that you feel
like he should be able to do it and be
more of a consistent player, you know, one through four quarters,
and not be spurty. And I think that the same
thing though, is no matter what I played JJ the
rest of the year, as long as he can be
on the football field to find out exactly what I have.
But I got to understand that as an organization, I
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don't have to be married to him. As much as
that sounds crazy, he's only two years in and this
is really only his first year.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
You know.
Speaker 10 (32:58):
The one mistake you can do is say, well, we'll
just give him one more year and so we can
get just figured out if the Vikings are in a
position where they could draft another quarterback and say, hey,
look we're going to make a competition, but we've got
to find that guy. That's what you have to do,
because in the end, we all know that that's really
what matters the most, is who's pulling the trigger on
your football team at that position. If that means you
have to go back to the well again, go back
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to the well. Look at Chris Ballard. He's done it
basically every year as a coach GM. He's had a
different starter out there, and now he may have found
the right one at Daniel Jones for a while.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Mark you the best man. I love your analysis, obviously,
I respect all the experience you have and I hope
you had a great Thanksgiving with the family. Enjoyed this weekend.
We'll talk to you next week on my show. In
the meantime, thanks so much for being a guest in
the hurt.
Speaker 10 (33:40):
Thanks for having me on. Like Happy Thanksgiving brother.
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Hoops a topic of conversation, it always is during Thanksgiving
weeks holiday tournament. Doug Gottlieb was fresh off of a
tournament at the US Virgin Islands as Green Bay took fourth,
went to and one during those games over the weekend.
(35:19):
Doug's gonna join us from the Islands in a bit,
Doug Gottlieb show, Fox Sports Radio. She's Monty Bolanos. I'm
Dan Byer joining us now, fresh off of a fourth
place finish at the Paradise Jam on the US Virgin Islands.
He's the head coach of the Green Bay Phoenix and
the host of this show. Doug Gottlieb joining us here.
(35:40):
So when one coach job well.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Done, I mean I'm getting goosnest here and thinking about it,
you know, I mean, what what people who don't know
our sport don't understand is like it's kind of career.
It was like schedule aside what I what I did
to start to hear rights at Minnesota, at Buffalo, at
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Saint Thomas, and then to this tournament where we were
far away to the lowest rated team last year and
going into this year. So to win too, you know,
against and to play as well as we played against
Yale in the first game, who won the tournament. It
was just awesome. And then you know, we were able
to do so with our leading scorer Marcos Slho rolled
(36:24):
his ankle at the end of the Yale game, so
he didn't play in the two wins. And you know
the difference in this year's team and last year's team,
as you know, Dan. Last year we lost the nation's
lean scorer, Anthony Roy, and we just kind of collapsed
for about a month before we figured it out. And
you know, this year we've you know, we have I
got a little bit more talent and just now and
came off the bench and gave us twenty seven to
(36:46):
twenty eight back to back nights, and the guys, guys
just fought is really really fought. And it was a big,
big week for us in terms of like team bonding
and then figuring ourselves out. So yeah, thanks, thanks for
the congratulations.
Speaker 13 (36:58):
Yeah, I think that. I think it's great. You talked
so much last year. Are you maybe overscheduled and this
year you were going to be conscious of it? Has
that worked out so far? Because I mean this tournament,
you're facing an IONA team that's picked top half of
Metro Atlantic. You've got UMass in them, an American they're
considered a top half program and in that league. In
(37:20):
the preseason, Paul, you just mentioned Yale their pick to
win the IVY League. Was this kind of what you
had in mind in terms of comparing the last year
when you were playing all those big, big teams.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
No, No, this year's actually this year's actually worse, but
now it gets it only gets better now because we
have the game spaced out. You know, last year they
were just like kind of earlier. This year kind of
stacked on you. It's hard to get them all in.
But you know now what we play halfo any nations
with a nine dy one. It's a big game for
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us with with the folks that are night of sponsoring it.
That's Saturday, and then we open up conference play a
week from Thursday, so we have like spit because you know,
like they get worn down, and also you have to
kind of and once you figure your team out, Okay,
this is what defense they plays, this is what offense,
this is what the rotation or you know, so you
(38:13):
need some practice time and we just didn't have it
last year, and we were traveling so far across the country.
So we this year we're able to condense the travel
Saint Thomas and Minnesota one trip, you know this three
games one trip, so it was it was less taxing.
But the level of competition is actually higher this year.
Santa Barbara coming up still, Campbell coming up still. But
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the good thing is we have some space between games
and then next year we'll we'll still play a good
group of mid and high majors, and then we'll have
you know, some more teams at our level home and
road that we can play. We just you know, you
absorb some of the previous and that it's actually two
staffs to go schedule and then last staff and it's
it's honestly, Dan, it's like when you're taking over being
(38:59):
a contractor for how that's had like two other contractors,
You're like, why they did this. It made sense to
them at the time, but doesn't make sense what you
want to do. So this year we were able to
space out some of the games, especially moving forward, and
then next year we're we're going to try and space
them out and thence to travel and play a little
(39:19):
bit more appropriate level opponents for half of the non conference.
Speaker 13 (39:23):
And I don't want the question to be posed in
a certain way because the whole nobody you crap last
year was just completely it was wrong because it wasn't
You weren't talking about Michigan Tech in that conversation. My
point with the schools that you played in the Paradise
Jam or that these aren't bottom feed er schools from
the worst conferences of college basketball, that these are legitimate programs.
(39:45):
I mean, we know, UMass, we know Frank Martin, but
that is more of I was wondering if that is
more of like a test for you guys at this
point of your program tenure, that were these schools more
appropriate to find out where green right now, That's kind
of my question and my point.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
I mean, like, you know, Buffalo is undefeated in the MAC,
and we felt like we had a good shot to
beat them. I didn't play just Tallens that game because
he was not yet, not yet where we wanted to
be defensively. So maybe maybe I'm an idiot in that sense,
but yeah, I mean I really you messed Dan. I
mean you watched all of our games.
Speaker 13 (40:24):
Why do we get beat defense.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Outside of defense rebounding turnovers?
Speaker 13 (40:30):
Right yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
And so.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
You know again I think you mess out rebounded us,
but they're a phenomenal rebounding team. But we were right there.
We we didn't turn the ball over against them five
turnovers last night, won the rebounding battle. Last night, we
won the rebounding battle against Yale. So you know, like
when you're well, you can't just go by results. The
(40:54):
process of getting better defensively getting better on the boards,
getting more secure with the basketball. All it's all there,
and then we just we've thrown some in to win
some of these games. But the bigger point in terms
of tests you mess, I mean, Frank Martins team's play
hard and physical, and last year's team probably would have
wilted at some point under the pressure. This team did not.
(41:18):
And then you know, I ownA plays a really really
electric offensive style and we fell fell behind early like
nine to nothing, not playing well, and then fell behind
again started second half. Last year's team would have wilted.
This year's team did not. So I think that's where
the growth is, regardless of quality of opponents. Yeah, those
are good teams. They're frankly above our level in really
(41:39):
in good major leagues. Weren't a good major major league,
but you know we were. We were picked three hundred
and twentieth in the country. So right now we're playing
better than that. But we'll see if we can keep
it going.
Speaker 13 (41:49):
All right, Edo Jason Stewart wants in, but I've got
one more and I'm just curious on how much it's
you take over the program in May of twenty twenty four,
so just of having that extra two months, having that
extra time to prepare the season. How different has that
been to be able to have like a full basically
a full year, to have your fingerprints on it.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Oh, it's totally different. I mean my staff is different.
And again it's not like to take shots at players
of the past or staff in the past, but like,
what works for me is different than I thought. What
works for Green Green Bay is a little bit different
than I thought. And then you have to really judge
the landscape and you know, you kind of got to
get a feel for who can play for you and
(42:33):
what you need and all those things. So and we're
still not perfect. We missed. We missed on some kids
in recruiting that either playing well elsewhere that we passed
on or we didn't you know, we didn't go hard
enough on some of the kids. There's a couple of
ours that are not yet bought into what we want.
And but yeah, better, I mean, you know, I'm not
(42:53):
an idiot, Like I know that you need experience and
that it was it was gonna be hard with the experience.
And then it's not just that it was in May,
but it was you know, Sunday and Swix did a
great job, but he was only there for you know,
thirteen months. You know, so again like you're coming in
and you're cleaning up messes. And last year we were
(43:13):
on academic probation and you know, everything that could go
wrong went wrong. So yeah, I feel much more confident
and competent. And you know, I'm bummed that I didn't
get to do the show while we're in the Virgin Islands.
But you know, you get all these things, like you
it does give you a chance to reflect and take
a snapshot of it. And it's really interesting, you know,
(43:35):
because you know, some other players and other coaches come
up like, hey, I actually listen to your show. You're
not doing it this week. Like, no, the games at
the same time as my show doesn't work. So the
whole thing is better and it feels more comfortable. And yeah,
I mean the ext it's not just the extra two months.
It's when you coach in college basketball. You have a
(43:56):
better feel for the portal, You got a better feel
for the fishy and you got a better field for schedule,
get a better feel for staff, your own players, how
it all works, you know. And also I haven't been
doing it for forty years, so I'm not annoyed by
little things like all these things are new and fun
to me, So that part helps too. That and I look,
we were bad. You know, I took a beating in
(44:17):
the media. I'm still going to take a beating every
time we lose. You know. I don't know how good
we are ultimately. But that was different than I thought
it would be, and it affected my players more than
I thought it would affect them. But I also think
that the ones that came back, part of it is
they came back because they want to prove everybody wrong,
and we use that to kind of fuel them as well.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
I think the one thing that I am in charge
of around here is I have my finger on the
pulse of social media. I am a good rip barometer
for the social media reaction to you and you and
your team. And I've noticed a couple of things over
the last couple of days. One of two things really quiet,
really quiet on the negative front. And then I've seen
(45:01):
a lot of compliments. And I'm gonna say this because
you can't so all those jerks that were quick to
kick Doug Gottlieb and the teeth a year ago, I
need you to go on to your social media now
and give credit when credits due. I know it's only
the first month of the season. I know it's only
three wins, but you can't kick him in the teeth
(45:23):
for an entire season without being like, you know what,
maybe I was wrong about this guy. That's what I'm
looking for, Doug. I know you can't say it, but
that's what I'm looking for. You deserve that.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
I agree. Guys, been doing all shore radio all the time.
Speaker 13 (45:39):
We've done a little. Yeah, we've done a little.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Listen. I appreciate. I appreciate Jason. I would just say that,
like again, you know, nobody's when I do in victory
laps over you know, winning two games in the Constellation backet.
We I know my coaches have really really helped me,
and I've gotten better. I believe we're really well coached
(46:08):
and well prepared, and I think our players are better
collectively better. I know there's you know who knows. I
think our league is really good. I think it's gonna
be hard, but it's a lot like the Shador thing, right, like, hey,
just one game the best of the best. It's how
much can you how often can you do it? How consistently.
Can you do it? And the only way to shut
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people up is to just keep a keep at it
and keep doing your job. And you know you can't
control what other people think of what you're doing.
Speaker 15 (46:41):
Hey, Doug, a quick question for actually just sort of
a general.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
No without playing Iowa, well, I saw.
Speaker 15 (46:47):
That on the schedule. Maybe someday in the future that
would be nice. But how about this the Holy Trinity
of experiences from the cribbing your first time down there?
Speaker 13 (46:56):
Can you give me one food takeaway?
Speaker 15 (46:59):
One's just sort of island takeaway of your experience in
the Caribbean, first time in the Caribbean, And did you
have a carib beer?
Speaker 3 (47:08):
I did not have a curb beer, although I'm at
the airport bar. I might I mean, do I need
to I take a suggestion?
Speaker 15 (47:16):
We were just it's just it's just to say you
did so. It's it's nothing special, but just just as
curious about I saw your I saw like maybe the
foyer or whatever it is to your hotel. It looked
so gorgeous, like, look, tell us about that Western.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
We stayed the Western, and I think it had been
redone because I think one of the hurricanes hit it
my brother last time he coached here. He said, you know,
hurricane and hid and so they didn't stay there or whatever.
It was spectacular. We never left the property except for
practice and games. We didn't need to, so I have
(47:51):
no real experience at the same Thomas, other than the
beach was amazing, the weather was perfect, that people are nice,
and everybody everybody for now on you when I tell
you it's five minutes, I'll be home in five minutes.
Or I'll do in five minutes, and five turns to
seven or ten or twelve. Just so I'm an island times.
I've learned that island times. I got leave done. I
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feel like the most efficient guy ever down here.
Speaker 13 (48:17):
Let's wrap it up. I can hear the announcements being made.
I can't wait to see what's going to happen in
conference play. But job well done on the islands, and
safe travels back here to the mainland.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Thanks, thanks guys. Next time we do the island trip,
that's when we have to do the remote not in Kansas.
Speaker 13 (48:34):
Yes, agreed, all right, Safe travels.
Speaker 12 (48:40):
Breaking news from Fox Sports.
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Speaker 13 (48:42):
Hello, breaking news. Let's go straight to the news desk
with Isaac Long Kron.
Speaker 16 (48:46):
The NFL has just suspended Carolina Panthers safety Trayvon Merrig
one game without pay for punching San Francisco forty nine
Ers receiver Juwan Jennings in the groin during last night's game.
Speaker 4 (49:01):
He does have the right to appeal.
Speaker 13 (49:02):
I'm calling it package gate. I don't know what you
want to call it. I don't know that's what I'm
going to call this package gate?
Speaker 14 (49:09):
Can you explain that for the people who.
Speaker 13 (49:11):
May not know what? No, I don't, I don't. I
can only do it after ten PM. I can only
explain it at that point. Mark had a cast as
well when he took the shot to Juwan Jennings. The
question is this is now back to back weeks where
(49:34):
we've had disrespected respect acts on the football field between
opposing players.
Speaker 14 (49:40):
Yeah, which is unfortunate because it's you just don't want
to see that. I mean, the spinning thing is one thing,
but I obviously do not know what it.
Speaker 13 (49:49):
Is like to be hit there. Sure you know what
I'm saying, but it seems awful. What's worse? Do you think?
Not pain tolerance because spinning the isn't hurt. But what
is worse integrity.
Speaker 14 (50:02):
Wise, I feel like a dude doing that to a
dude hurting you in the spot where it hurts. That's
kind of worse because it's like, you know what, you
know how much.
Speaker 13 (50:13):
Let's let's ask a dude, Jason Stewart, what's worse spin
on or being hit in the package?
Speaker 4 (50:17):
No, I think if you're just doing disrespect and dehumanizing,
I think I think spitting is close to the top
than other bottom way fluids.
Speaker 13 (50:27):
But but you guys play games like you do do that?
You do that? Yes, nobody plays, you know, loogie games
with each other.
Speaker 14 (50:39):
Yeah, the spit thing is complete disrespect. The other one
is I want to cause you pain because you guys
know that it's causing pain. It's like the easiest way
to cause pain.
Speaker 13 (50:47):
Yes, which kind of sucks, like.
Speaker 14 (50:49):
You took a that's an eat.
Speaker 13 (50:50):
That's a cheap shot, as you know, we we know
it is.
Speaker 14 (50:54):
But yes, the spit thing is is definitely more disrespectful.
Speaker 13 (50:57):
But Jason, I felt like I cut you off, that
I cut you off or you.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
No, no, No, I think she's right. What she's just
said is true. And I think another man going after
another man's jewels, it's just a different category of not cool,
correct and bush league. But the spitting is just degraded
in his helf.
Speaker 13 (51:17):
Well, it's also it's also whack because you could shove him,
you could hit him in the face, so many other things, yes,
but the ultimate side of disrespect is the spitting.
Speaker 14 (51:28):
Absolutely absolutely, like you said, you could have punched them,
shoved them, but instead you.
Speaker 13 (51:32):
Went, I'd rather be hit in the that area than
to be spit.
Speaker 14 (51:37):
On, sure, because it's I think it's degrading.
Speaker 13 (51:40):
I think that's the word, and I agree with Jason.
There's not enough parrel in here as well that would
be able to solve the spit being on you. Hey,
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