Which Team Benefits The Most From The NBA’s New Playoff Format?

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some NFL. But Chris, we start out today with the
NBA because it's the league that we have that we
know the most about when it comes to reach turning
to action and it's not business as usual, but we
know when games are gonna be played, we know where
they're going to be played. We just don't know if
the seven year old coaches will be allowed to be

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on the sidelines or where the teams are gonna stay.
But other than that, I think that the NBA has
got everything going for it. We don't know who's gonna
play who, We don't know uh when they're gonna play,
but by god, we know that we have a season
coming up. We know that it's a little under two
months away from finally getting restarted. And you know, we
could talk about not matchups yet, but how we see

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teams playing out, how we see maybe if there is
a such thing as taking three and a half months
off and there is a benefit to it. I don't know.
It's almost like starting a whole season all over. But Dan,
I'm excited to get into it today. It's there's so
much still mystery. I'm kind of I'm not real smart
when it comes to trying to figure out brackets and

(01:53):
trying to make sense of all of this. And I'm
looking at the standings right now and I think to myself, Wow,
Wizards get in by the skin of their teeth, but
they've got some work to duty even gain at eight
nine matchup, and it's a mess in the West. So
I don't really know what's going on, but I know
we've got three hours to try to figure it out
here today. Yeah, And one of the things that struck

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me when looking at the twenty two team layout in
what we're gonna have when the season resumes in Orlando
is a lot of these teams basically I don't know,
seventeen games fifteen games to play when you're looking at
the overall sense of the league, somewhere around fifty to
twenty games left. That's obviously going to be shortened by
about twelve games. So most of these teams are gonna

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be playing about seventy games in the season. But what
struck me when you mentioned a team like the Wizards
who's five and a half back in the Eastern Conferences,
You're gonna need uh to make a little hay and
the and the the ability. That's why I think that
the playing of the eight and nine was put in
because the ability to close five and a half games

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in eight games is darn near impossible. Like, there's no
way that the Wizards could do it. What would even
make it more to the Kilton What dawned on me
last night was that the Wizards are gonna have to
do this against NBA playoff caliber teams. There they don't
have like two games against the Knicks to come in
and maybe get a win or face a depleted Warriors team.

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Those teams are not in the in Orlando. So when
you look at the teams trying to make up ground,
of the teams that are on the outside looking in,
their schedule just got a bit tougher because they don't
maybe have some Cupcakes. Maybe there was some schedule indeficiencies
where you had a couple of games against you know,
worst teams. Now instead you replace it with the Clippers,
of the Lakers, of the Bucks. I think it's gonna

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be tougher for the for the teams on the outside
looking in. Yeah, I think about this stretch that they
would have had and I'm just being you know, very hypothetical.
They had a game uh in there. Well there, Their
schedule down the stretch was pretty tough regardless. They had Indie,
they had New Orleans, had Charlotte as a couple of
games that they might be able to win, Houston, Toronto, Indiana.
So it wasn't necessarily cake. But there's no Indiana. There's

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no shar that's gonna be on this Well, I guess
maybe there will be Indiana on the schedule. Ob No
Charlotte to bail them out and try to make it
an easy game. And Dan, you hit on something that
I think is a hard thing to truly magnify. And
I don't necessarily say to all fans, but two people
like me, we look at it and say, oh, you're
only five games back. You can make that up. Five
games back in the NBA is virtually impossible whenever you

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have eight games to toe. I mean, you're you're legitimately rooting,
and I know you just have to get to four,
but still you're rooting for a team to kind of
fall on their face, and then you've got to go
basically seven and one eight no against playoff teams. So yeah,
it's gonna be tough, I think for the Wizards. And
I don't even know if I could see let's see

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Portland's three back in the West, three and a half
back in the West as his New Orleans Sacramentos right there.
I mean, can you imagine getting into playoffs without San
Antonio their foots back? Phoenix is six pack. I mean,
you can go ahead. I don't even know why Phoenix
is going, but it's just it's crazy that our battle
isn't necessarily amongst the top teams watching them. It's gonna
be more. Hey, how do they look? They generated some

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interest in teams that at this point in the season
we probably will we would be done, but we probably
wouldn't have been paying much attention to when we're talking
about down the home stretch of the season. Yeah, and
that's what makes the balance of what this was all
about in in terms of trying to be safe, and
that's maybe why you don't want all thirty two teams there,
but you want some competition, so you go, okay, should

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we do six team Well that's maybe not, uh, the
the ideal format for the teams that were just on
the outside looking in, but it's also a way to
make it be competitive for those teams, to allow a
few more teams to get in by having that possible
play in situation making it a little bit more difficult
for them. Also, just with the NBA trying to experiment

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with an option that they had talked about of just
having playing spots going from uh, you know a seven
seven verses ten and eight versus nine matchup that was
thrown about months ago that you could see to get
into the final two spots of the playoff to the
into the conference playoffs. Those would be some of the
experiments that the NBA at least could try on this

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little little bit of an experiment in Orlando with the
eight nine matchup. What I want to now get into,
and what I think we need to get into, is
we can actually look at teams now and say, how
does this work out for them? Do the Lakers and
Lebron James have a legitimate chance? Is this set up
well for the Clippers and Kauai Leonard? What about the
Bucks in the Eastern Conference? And been online has released

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odds to win the NBA title now that we know
how the regular season is going to wrap up and
how the playoffs will commence, and we believe that the
NBA Finals likely would be a situation where you wouldn't
have two days off in between games, you would just
have one and likely playing those games in Orlando. With
all that being said, been online has the Lakers right

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now is the odds on favorite to win the NBA
title at eleven to five, Clippers, who were coming on
late in the second half of the season, at eleven
to four, with the Bucks at three to one. The
next closest where the Boston Celtics at twelve to one,
followed by the Rockets at one. So, Chris, we've got
basically three teams kind of separating themselves from what we

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saw in the NBA regular season. They're also doing it
in the odds in this new revamped NBA format. Maybe
not much of a surprise with those top three teams.
How brilliant though, is it? Or maybe a better sign
of the times that there's odds out before we even
really truly know what the schedule of games down the
stretch is going to look like. And I was thinking

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about a lot of things whenever you realize that, hey,
we've got the NBA coming back, and in in our mind,
I start thinking about, Okay, is it a younger team
whose body might not need as much time to kind
of recuperate, And if and if that's the case, do
you look more towards if New Orleans can make around
or Oklahoma City or heck, even I mean Toronto is

(07:58):
a relatively young team in the East that I know
we all stopped paying attention when Kauai left outside of
the handful of Raptors fans. But they're really good. So
could this benefit them because obviously they've had a little
bit more time or ve trends who know how to
take care of their body, who have been through the
grind of the season. But maybe this break, as unfortunate

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as as it's been, has benefited him. So I guess Dan,
that's why I'm so fascinated to see the Lakers still
is a favorite, because you would think they might be
one of the bigger question marks without they handle it right.
I mean, am I crazy for thinking that? Is that
just me maybe being paranoid fan too as well because
things were going so well for him. Yeah, I think
that this is I think that the hype gets gets

(08:41):
brought up and the further year away from I don't
want to say what reality was, but the Clippers, playing
their better basketball became a real legitimate threat with the Lakers.
I'm sitting here as a fan of the Milwaukee Bucks saying,
you really think that they have the third best outs
to win an NBA title when they are in the
as we say, weaker conference of the Eastern Conference. When

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you look at how Milwaukee, who has had the best
record in the n b A in this shortened season,
had the best record in the NBA in last year's
season in a situation where the Bucks have started out
twelve and three in this season. Last year they started
out eleven and four. So when you want to take

(09:25):
everything into account, Chris, when you look at what the
Bucks have done, I think it's I I am I
shocked that the Milwaukee Bucks are considered the third best
option in trying to win an NBA title, considering the
track record of of what they've done in the regular season,
how they've started out this season, and the complete unknowns

(09:47):
that we've got with this current format. So why wouldn't
you just go with the best team? And the best
team has been the Milwaukee Bucks. And that's what is
so surprising to me to see them leg in the
odds behind the Lake and Clippers, because there's so much
in Milwaukee's favor when it comes to looking at those
three teams of this resumed season. See, I knew this
came back to home arism. That's what one dame. That's

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still some pretty good numbers. But when we look at
the shortened when you look at the shortened schedule, what
two teams, what two players do we most associate rest
management within the NBA? And I think it's Lebron James
and Kawhi Leonard. Those are the two guys. So now
you're expecting the guys who have been load management guys

(10:35):
not being able to get their full rest of the
playoffs where you would get two days off in between games,
not just the one games. I think that is something
that comes into play and ask the question. Now, maybe
in the long run it doesn't end up being an
issue because they're playing a shortened season and Kauai can
handle it and it's not a big deal. But I

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think when you're looking at from where we are looking
at it from where we are right now, I don't
know how you cannot hold that against the Lakers or
the Clippers when you look at how abbreviated the schedule
is going to be, especially when it comes to rest
for these guys. Yeah. Yeah, that's a fascinating conversation. And
and to be honest with you, Dan, something I hadn't
thought about too terribly much. Will that uh, not having

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the extra day off between games? Could that benefit someone
like honest because obviously there's load management is m I
A I'm curious than to see how do teams play
that are secure in their spots in the playoffs. How
do they play those final eight games? You know, do
you do you go all in? I mean, are you
just and unlessen you're gonna have to play guys because
they've got to get their legs back in shape. But

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I mean, are you are you being smart about it?
Are you maybe rotating a few more guys in? Are
you going all out to make sure that you're at
one physical peak performance by the time we finally get
into the playoff side of things, which will begin. Uh well,
I guess, I guess if if you have the season
starting on the thirty one, so what would that put
the playoffs right around? All gets draft lotteries we found

(12:02):
out the so so that would mean that the playoff
spots would be set, So you would have about from
July thirty one to August somewhere there. So I'm real
curious to see what the plan is in those eight games.
And then, like you're saying, do you be a little
bit smart and how you use your guys? Do you
go all in? Are these games that you look at

(12:23):
as must win and you've been so amped up because
you haven't been a chance, I haven't had a chance
to truly play competitive basketball. Do you go after it?
Do you maybe show more caution because you're worried about
injuries and because you kind of have the stop and
start in nature of this season. So Dan, I think
a long answer to very short and good question in
my world is let's see how they handle those eight games,

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and then maybe that'll give us a better idea of
just how teams are gonna be affected instead of having
a couple of days off between playoff games. It's just one.
If I'm the Bucks and if I'm the Lakers, who
have sizeable leads in their conferences, I use four games
the first the first four as your preseason games, and
then you use the next four to get your guys in. Now,

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the minutes, the minutes logged by Jannice, The Bucks do
a great job in limiting his amount of minutes on
the court, which is amazing considering the numbers that he
puts up, where maybe if he played more minutes, you're
seeing even better numbers from him. The flip side of
that is maybe if he's playing more minutes, he's a
little bit worn down. But Janice isn't as taxed as

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taxed as much as other maybe superstars who have to
carry the load, which is kind of crazy. I actually
think that can benefit them. And I'm curious if you're
the Lakers, if you've got that size of a lead,
like the Clippers have to battle for the two and
three spots, there's still there's still something up for grabs
for there. They're only a game and a half up
on Denver and there are only two up, three up

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on the Utah Jazz, So there are games that you're
gonna want to play. But with the Lakers up five
and a half on the Clippers, I take it easy
with Lebron and the first floor, have him and a
d get their legs in the next four and then
go on from there. That's how I would proceed. Yeah,
you're in a pretty good spot if you're the Lakers
right now. You're in a really good spot if you're Milwaukee.
Some of those other battles, I mean Toronto and Boston

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could tighten up, I guess, but yeah, I like your idea.
Play the first four, you know, make sure you get
your your younger guys out there and and make sure
you get you but don't don't risk anything. Then head
down the stretch towards the playoffs. You start peeking towards
where you need to be. Obviously, that's not something that
I guess we need to throw Brooklyn in here. That Brooklyn, Orlando,
Washington and of course a bevy of teams battling for

(14:33):
the eighth spot in the Western Conference can't even worry
about right now. They gotta go all in from the
first moment they start. It's amazing because the the East
was so I mean, there's only there's really only six
good teams. So you're kind of battling to be like, okay,
don't be in the you know, make sure you can
get get on the side of the bracket. If you're

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the Bucks, you're gonna get one of the bad teams.
But if you're the two seed, you're the raptors of
the Celtics. You want to play the nets because he
sure has had. They want to play the sixers with
maybe a healthier you know, Joel Embiad and Ben Simmons
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on FS one Chris Mannox joins us here on the
Doug Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, Chris, how
are you doing today? We we aren't doing well. Blank

(16:19):
and I are hanging out. We just kind of started
the whole session of of talking about the NBA because
there's more that we know about this league and how
they're going to resume things in actual games than maybe
anywhere else. And no Hockey's got their set up, but
we don't even know when they're gonna start playing. So
we started breaking down, actually, what is happening with the NBA,
what's gonna happen with these twenty two teams? And instead

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of starting at the top, Chris, I want to ask
you because over these last two days that that Chris
and I have been in for Doug, we seem to
focus so much on the bottom, and it seems that
the NBA is folking focusing on maybe those six teams
that get into those set, you know, those seven and
eight seeds. Is there a particular reason why so much

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focus was on maybe those just barely on the inside
or those just on the outside looking in when they
were trying to figure out a way to resume play. Well,
it's more about the teams that were on the outside
looking in right now, because if you're not going to
just bring the sixteen playoff teams back, you had to

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give the teams coming back something to play for. And
you hurt Damian Lillard to lend a voice to that
in an interview last week. Um, and I can tell
you a number of players that I talked to you
felt the same way, like, we don't want to come
back to use a boxing analogy, to be basically a
glorified sparring partner, um, you know, in in these sessions

(17:45):
as teams get ready for playoffs. So I just I
think it's more about giving these teams that are coming
back an opportunity to play for something. And by creating
that playing game between the eight and nine seed, if
there were within four games each other, that adds a
little layer of excitement to the postseason, and it creates
kind of a fairness, uh sort of scale for these teams.

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Are these uh yeah, but these teams to come back.
Chris Mannox of Sports Illustrated running us here on the
Doug Gottlieb Show. So I'm trying to figure out, Chris,
do we look at three months off as benefiting anyone.
I mean, it's unchartered territory. But as you start to
handicap what the season might look like from just a
matchups perspective, younger, older, I mean, is is there any

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benefit at all? It's so hard to tell and we're
not We're not going to know anything until these guys
get back into camp and we see, you know, who's
been keeping in basketball shape and who has been keeping
in no shape whatsoever. Um, is there a sean temp
in this group that just balloons over the last four months?
Is there? Uh? You know Mike con Vick Jr. Has

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I mean, the guy's got a basketball jim in his house,
so I'm getting he's been in pretty good shape. I
saw him during that horse tournament having like a rebounding
gun that just sort of pitched the ball back out
to him. So you know, maybe Utah is a team
to watch there. I think if you're kind of looking
at it generically, I think a team like Philadelphia because
benefit greatly mean Number one Ben Simmons is likely going

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to play. So that wasn't gonna happen under the normal
playoff format. He was out with the back injury. By
all accounts, he's going to be back for this postseason.
The Sixers are not a perimeter shooting team. Now, I
think that when the game comes back, those three point
shooting team is gonna have some problems because I don't
think anybody's coming back in mid season four. So you know,

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if if you're a team that relies on easy buckets
and transition, that plays great defense, that has a big
time inside threat, you would have a chance to at
least but you know, from the optical perspective, you might
have a chance to surprise people. And that quite literally
defined Philadelphia right now that type of team. They don't
have any shooters, they have Joel Um being the inside.
They can run the floor. So I look at Philadelphia

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is maybe being a kind of a team to watch
um as as one that could come out of the
Eastern Conference. Why, in your opinion, do we wait until
July thirty one to get back? I mean again, I
know that there's a training camp that goes into it,
but they're not even leaving for Orlando to what July seven?
So what have you been able to uncover as to
why wait till the end of July? Well, for starters,

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it's you know, it's nothing done yet. At this point,
you have to negotiate a number of different things with
the union of the next weekend. We have already seen
little kind of fires pop up where whether it's Adam
Silver saying on TV that coaches wouldn't remax and coaches
pushing back on that, Michelle Roberts, the head of the
p A, reacting in a way about the season next

(20:36):
season starting in early December, and every union doesn't want
fast So this is gonna take a little bit of
time to finalize. And then you have to deal with
the state of Florida and you know, making sure you're
testing protocols are all in place. On top of that,
and you've got guys that are I mean, the NBA
is a global league. You guys didn't stay in you know,
Oklahoma City during this pandemic. If they were foreigner, they

(20:56):
went back to their home country for the most part.
So you gonna have to get these guys back in
the country and you know, eventually get them back into
gym that eventually start training camp and then ultimately moved
them down to Florida. We've got a quarantine for a
couple of weeks, so I think this is. Honestly, I
think it's it's almost optimistic that it can start on
July thirty first. I mean, I think if I was
getting guessing, it probably will, but it wouldn't surprise me

(21:17):
at all. So you get pushed a week or two. Wow,
Chris Mannix is hanging out with us. If you're not
following him on Twitter, you're doing it wrong. It's at
s I Chris Mannox. I know finals are a way off,
but there seems to be a bit of an abbreviated schedule.
You wouldn't have as many two days in between. Is
that a concern for someone like Lebron James? You know
there would be a Lebron question in your Chris, But

(21:39):
is an abbreviated schedule and abbreviated or truncated playoff an
amount of rest days? Is that a concern for someone
like Lebron? I don't think so, And honestly, I feel
like it might be almost little too over sensitive and
over reacting to um to the health of a thirty
five year old to think kind of think that. But
because I mean, he's been doing nothing for four months.

(22:02):
He's been vacationing basically and working out on his own,
He's gonna come back and have a training camp, a
few games and then you know, you play thirty five
minutes a night. Then you walk across like a concourse
to go back to your hotel and you know, take
a nap. You're probably not practicing the next day, and
if you are, it's gonna be very light. Um Now,
I think, you know, I just don't think that that

(22:22):
the tightness of the schedule is gonna have an impact
on anybody physically. It's just you know, I mean, you
hate to go back to the old days of frying flying,
you know, you know, regular commercial flights, playing four games
at five nights sometimes. But I think being in one
location certainly makes the the situation, you know, far less
difficult for these players to go every other day. Amazing.

(22:44):
You know, back in the day the next were on
my flight. Yeah, those days, those days, those days are
no longer here. You touched on this a little bit
earlier about the the the problems with the union and
the start date of December one for next season. Is
there any direction in Chris Mannix on how what would

(23:05):
we have the next season extended into July and August again?
Would it be a full eighty two games. Do you
have any intel on that on on on how the
season would unfold even with the late start that we have, Well,
it will be the full eighty two games. After losing
as much money as they've lost this year, the NBA
is not going to, you know, give up any money

(23:27):
next year. There's no no way that's going to happen. UM.
The the decision to start on December one, from what
I'm able to clean early on, is it gives them
an opportunity to try to end their season on a
somewhat regular schedule. Like you can tighten things up a
little bit and find a way to end in like
late June, maybe very early July. If you go in

(23:50):
um on December one, and then you can get back
in a normal schedule, you know forwo season. If that's
the way you go, UM, i'd that's the little goofy.
I mean, I I just like I think the NBA
has got an opportunity here to see what summer basketball
really looks like. So start the season on Christmas, go

(24:10):
to like late August, and see what those numbers are like,
see what the ratings are for the NBA Finals in August.
Like we alto assume that you know that they'll be
bad because ratings the summer of that, but it's always
to meet been a chicken in the egg thing like
wating to the summer are bad because we put crap
on TV, Like people are not gonna watch that programming

(24:30):
or reruns. If there's something fresh and there's something new,
people might watch. I mean the Annalyogy I use as
a boxing writer too, like Floyd maybe a Bacono McGregor
in the dead of summer in August and that diet
like four million paper view buys. Like if you put
on a good product in the summer, people are going
to watch it. They're gonna watch it more with the
technology of smartphones and watching in different ways like on

(24:52):
the beach or outside whatever they're gonna do. Uh, somebody
else has something to me where it's like, you know,
people don't like to go outside and like Arizona, Texas
and other in Florida in in August, so you might
get more people watching from there that are um you
know that that will up grow up your ratings a
little bit. So I'd like to see the NBA try
out the summer and if a Connectics failure Oh look,
you roll the dice and you can go back to

(25:13):
your your schedule the next year. Hey man, it's real
quick before you let your run. Are we gonna get
a fight Island for boxing? Is Dana gonna let the
boxing guys? Potentially? But I mean, what where are we
right now and trying to get some boxing events back rolling?
I mean fight islands and me is a myth until anotherwise,
but this has been It has been going on for
two months now. Where we talking about Fight Island and
I don't even know where the island is or how

(25:35):
it's all set up and how they're skirting all these
international laws to have fights take place there. I mean,
it's just it's a fun concept and would make a
good video game, but I don't. I have to see
it before I believe it. I think like boxing getting
rolling on Tuesday, and I think they're gonna have a
busy summer. I think you'll see obviously cop Rank is rolling,
but I think match Room Golden Boy, Um, you know

(25:56):
you're not gonna get Cannelo go lofting, but you probably
get a Canelo back. You're not gonna get Anthony Joshua
in a big fight, but you get Anthony Joshua back,
so I think combat sports are are really going to
get rolling beginning next week and continue throughout. He's Chris Mannix.
Find him on Twitter at s I Chris Mannox. Read
him on Sports Illustrated as a senior writer. You can
see him from time to time on Fox Sports One

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as well. Appreciated Chris, have a good weekend. You got
a Chris Mannox joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
He's Chris blank I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug
Gottlieb Show. I used the word bullish when I described
planks thoughts on the college football season happening in because
I stole the word from Big twelve commissioner Bob Bulsby,

(26:37):
who had a similar take within the last week or so.
But now that some students are athletes are getting back
on campus, Chris, we have had the report that some
Oklahoma State players have tested positive some Alabama football players
testing positive for COVID nineteen. You still believe that college
football is on its way to maybe being a little

(27:00):
bit more normal than we realized a month or two ago. Yes,
and with fans and stands, let me just real quick
one angle on this, and I have been bullish that
college football is going to happen from the moment in
March when people were trying to tell us that it
wasn't going to I'm like, what do you what are
you doing? It's March. We've got plenty of time to
hopefully get a better handle on this virus, understand how

(27:23):
it spreads, into a better job of controlling the pandemic.
And in reality, I feel like that college campus has
became the first place that people started to kind of
that's the best way to put a panic right, because
the take came out that if students aren't on campus,
then we're not gonna play football. Then, Dan, we went

(27:45):
through a process of what debating, well, what's truly the
definition of open? Is a campus really open if students
are still taking classes but yet they're virtual, that's open, right.
So all those debates aside, you see these stories coming out.
You mentioned it Tuscaloosy yesterday five players they tested positive.
Oklahoma State I think they reported over the week and

(28:06):
they had three players. One in an Oklahoma State player
that went public and said, hey, just so you guys know,
I was protesting, and Tulsa this weekend. So if you
were in these areas around me, you just know that
I have been asymptomatic and I have it. I'm sorry,
but you may may want to make sure you get checked.
So the key here is some people panic that panic
word again and they say, oh my gosh, players have

(28:27):
tested positive. Shut it all down. There's no way we
can do it. It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen everywhere.
It's it's gonna happen from Tuscaloosa, it's gonna happen in Gainesville.
It's gonna happen in Portland, Maine. It's gonna happen in Portland, Oregon.
It's gonna happen in Norman, Oklahoma. It's gonna happen everywhere, damn,
because you're not in athletic directors and conference commissioners and

(28:49):
n c double A president and administrators. The one thing
that they have found out is the key isn't saying
no one's gonna get it. The key is accepting that
that's going to happen and making sure you mitigate it.
A SAPs Oh, I saw these stories. I saw a
lot of people wanting to say I told you so.
They're coming back too early. No, no, no, that number
for Oklahoma State that came out was lower than what

(29:09):
they actually expected. They thought there would be more players
that came back and tested positive. The numbers from Alabama
are right about where they thought it would be. So
they quarantine those players, they get them back after a
couple of negative tests, and boom, you're in the flow
of things and you're properly protecting the rest of your team.
So I saw some panic. You know, there's a lot

(29:30):
of what does Clay column Corona Bros? Is that the
right term? I don't want to, you know, there's a
lot of Corona bros. Out there that want to say
we're doing things too quickly. But in the case of
college sports, they have planned for this. This had kind
of been the understanding that we're gonna have guys test positive,
we quarantine, quarantine them asap, and then we continue our
testing and our sanitation and our proper and I guess

(29:52):
maybe separation would be the term, too, away from everyone
else who is who is safe and healthy. But the
college experience, and in defense of the Corona Bros, the
college experience in college athletics and specifically college football, is
unlike anything anything else. Not only are the crowds bigger
than you would get at any other sporting event here

(30:14):
in the United States, you also, Chris have such a
large contingency of people coming from different areas, whether it
be students returning back to campus, whether it be fans
or alumni from around the country. So I could see
why there was there were questions happening. What I think
was was the tipping point or when this all happened

(30:39):
in mid March, we were worried about baseball, we were
worried about basketball, and there were some of us that
were looking ahead to college football. Nothing changed from March
to April. Really nothing did, And I would almost argue
not much changed from March to May. What has changed,
or from mid May, from mid May until now, what
has changed has just been almost a one eighty of

(31:02):
what we've had in those two months. So I don't
want to fault the Corona Bros. For the panic just
because I do think that situation is um so unlike
everything else. But I do agree with you in the
sense of I think we're getting more and more. I mean,
we talked about Texas, he and Brian talking about Ohio,
letting golf fans come in. I think we're getting closer

(31:24):
and closer, and it's all it's all due to now
we know more about this and how it's But now
it's also regional though too, Dan, it's regional. My state
has been open for a month. We've been able to
go to restaurants, and we've been able to get our
hairs cut and do whatever we want. So when you say, yeah, no,
it makes no sense when I hear some of this panic,
but in that that's my homerism because I've been here

(31:44):
in a state that's that's had a limited not and
and hasn't been affected that much. So when I hear
people trying to shut things down in March, you stop
and you say, cal him down. I mean, we've been
we're on the final tier of reopening everything. I mean, basically,
I'm not kidding outside of some people wearing masks, if
you were here, just like you were with me and
Tulsa Dam when those two people showed up to my

(32:04):
remote back in the day, if you were here right now,
you would be blos It's like there was never a
pandemic happened. So in April, you guys were fine sure, yeah,
we were quarantined, but it started, I mean things were open,
things were open back up, absolutely, and then they started
going through the process in early May. We're it's taking place.
And by the way, why are we trying to end

(32:25):
a season that starts in September and April. That's always
been my frustration in all of this, And bottom line,
they have prepared for it, they know it, they get
what's all. They're not talking to um, you're you're cutting
I'm not saying you do this then, But they're not
talking to my cousin on Facebook, who thinks this is
a hoax right there, They're they're talking to medical professionals
who have gone through so we I'm very much homeroistic

(32:47):
in it from the perspective of we just it hasn't
hit our state that hard, and maybe it's coming. Maybe
I should shut up, Maybe I shouldn't be tearing the
gold post down midway through the fourth quarter. But it's
just it's so odd for us, because it's almost as
if this is the reality. In certain areas, they're done,
so done, and they feel like they're moving on to
the next phase of sports, and they're wondering why everything
isn't open back up. He's Chris Plank. I'm Dan Buyer.

(33:10):
This is the Doug Gotlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Get Chris on Twitter at Plank Show. I'm at Dan
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Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific.
He's Chris Plank. I'm Dan Buyer, sitting in for a

(33:32):
Doug Today. Brian Falling is also at the news desk
and he's got something for us. This is game time
side on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Hello Brian, Dan, We've
got a game psychic. Oh, that's the game today. You
get to look into the crystal ball and look ahead

(33:54):
and see what we've got in the world of sports.
I get I like it. I like it. You guys
are gonna channel your inner palm reader right now. The
n c double A on Friday issued a one year
postseason band to Oklahoma States. So there are a bunch
of different penalties that came down the postseason banded for
this coming year. Scholarship reductions. The question is, guys, what

(34:17):
will five star signy for the Cowboys Kate Cunningham do?
Will he transfer? Will he stick around because he's most
likely a one and done kind of guy. M I
look into my crystal ball and I see him staying
at Oklahoma State. I think that it would benefit him. Obviously,
his brother is now an assistant there, which is I

(34:38):
think is one of the reasons why made that decision.
But also realistically, there are people who feel that maybe
top NBA prospects when their teams aren't that good, shouldn't
even play games in the n c Double A tournament,
possibly thinking that they would risk injury if they're not
going to make the postseason anyway, you know what, maybe
better off for him to have fewer games. If I

(35:00):
mean this is unless Oklahoma State would have been a
national championship contender, which we we will maybe find out
file they play in the regular cheason. But realistically, I
think he stays because I don't think missing out on
the tournament affects his draft status whatsoever. No, he's starred,
and I think he stays because I think Oklahoma State

(35:20):
is gonna appeal and I think they've got a strong
case they're gonna be pretty good next year. The Oklahoma
State Cowboys in basketball, and I think they're gonna appeal.
I think they're gonna end up getting a chance to
still play this postseason. I think he sticks around. By
the way, He's already turned down Brian Finley one offer
from the G League, so I think he plays in
the Big twelve next year. Well, we had a u
c L a guy that decided to take up the

(35:41):
G League and pass up his five or his five
star status, So that's no fun. The Portland Trailblazers guys,
the sole team to vote against the league's return to
play format. They are currently three and a half games
out of a playoff spot. So how realistic is it,
guys that the Tasers reached the playoffs given they have

(36:03):
only eight games in the regular season. Plank you want
to take this? I think, with what we talked about
with Antonio Daniels yesterday on Memphis getting healthy, I don't
think there's any chance at all that they end up
making it. In fact, I think that they'll end up
finishing behind both New Orleans and Sacramento. Now I love

(36:24):
Dame trying to prove me wrong. So maybe I'm trying
to stoke the fire a little bit. But yeah, Dan,
I think I think the NBA's Western Conference is gonna
look very much like it looks right now whenever we
start the playoffs. One thing that hasn't been addressed, and
we should have asked Chris Mannox, this is what happens
if there are three teams with point four games of
that final spot. How do we end up processing that

(36:47):
if you have four teams to just do a tournament.
Portland's getting healthy. They are getting healthier, Zach Collins could
be back, Nurkics could play games for them. I do
think that if it comes down to a scenario where
it would be Portland and Memphis, I do think that
Portland could get a couple of wins. So I think
that Portland's aspects and prospects are brighter than what Chris

(37:09):
Planks season his crystal Ball. I like it. I see
a blazing light. And and by the way, this is
all because Plank doesn't like their logo along with Gavige,
so that that that's that's another bias as well. Guys.
Bruce Arians recently said he would start to a tongue
of violoa if healthy. He went on to say, quote,

(37:29):
you don't learn anything holding a clipboard end quote. So
channeling your inner psychic powers. Will the Dolphins start to
once he's declared healthy. I still think it's gonna be
Ryan Fitzpatrick's team to start the season. And I think
it's gonna be fascinating to watching the pre CDs season
to see just how healthy Too is, because I think

(37:51):
he's gonna play, and I think he's gonna play if
there is a preseason, right, I think he's gonna play well,
and I think it's gonna be one of those conversations
where people are gonna wonder why he's not playing more.
Will add this go ahead, No, wrap it up, Jo,
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Bruce
Arians who said that Tom Brady will have a lot

(38:11):
of input on the offense. Bruce Arians also recently saying
they're going to a lot of twelve formations, which is
Tom Brady input because Bruce Arians never really liked tight ends.
Now you may have two of them on the field.
Bruce Arians and Tom Brady quite a partnership, with Brady's
fingerprints already all over everything. He's Chris Plank. I'm Dan Buyer.
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Does Major League Baseball

(38:33):
have a chance to survive and succeed this summer? We'll
tell you next year on Fox. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
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and the I Heart Radio app. Joining us now senior
writer for Sports Illustrated, covering the NBA and so much more.
But we're talking hoops today. You can also see him

(38:54):
on FS one. Chris Mannox joins us here on The
Doug Gotlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. Hey Chris, how
are you doing today? Do we We are doing well.
Blank and I are hanging out. We just kind of
started the whole session of of talking about the NBA
because there's more that we know about this league and
how they're going to resume things in actual games than
maybe anywhere else. And No Hockey's got their set up,

(39:16):
but we don't even know when they're gonna start playing.
So we started breaking down, actually, what is happening with
the NBA, What's gonna happen with these twenty two teams?
And instead of starting at the top, Chris, I want
to ask you because over these last two days that
that Chris and I have been in for Doug, we
seem to focus so much on the bottom, and it

(39:36):
seems that the NBA is folking focusing on maybe those
six teams that get in or those you know, those
seven and eight seeds. Is there a particular reason why
so much focus was on maybe those just barely on
the inside or those just on the outside looking in
when they were trying to figure out a way to
resume play. Well, it's more about the teams that we're

(40:00):
the outside looking in right now, because if you're not
going to just bring the sixteen playoff teams back, you
had to give the teams coming back something to play for.
And you hurt Damian Lillard to lend a voice to
that in an interview last week. Um, and I can
tell you a number of players that I've talked to
you felt the same way, like, we don't want to

(40:21):
come back to use a boxing analogy to be basically
a glorified sparring partner. Um, you know, in in these
sessions as teams get ready for playoffs. So I just
I think it's more about giving these teams that are
coming back an opportunity to play for something, and by
creating that playing game between the eight and nine seed,
if there were within four games of each other, that

(40:42):
adds a little layer of excitement to the postseason, and
it creates kind of a fairness, uh sort of scale
for these teams. Are these uh yeah, but these teams
to come back. Chris Mannox of Sports Illustrated running us
here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. So I'm trying to
figure out, Chris, do we look at three months off
is benefiting anyone? I mean, it's unchartered territory. But as

(41:04):
you start to handicap what the season might look like
from just a matchups perspective, younger, older, I mean, is
is there any benefit at all? It's so hard to
tell and we're not We're not going to know anything
until these guys get back into camp and we see,
you know, who's been keeping in basketball shape and who
has been keeping in no shape whatsoever? Um, is there

(41:25):
a sean temp in this group that just balloons over
the last four months? Is there? Uh? You know, Mike
con Leck Jr. Has I mean, the guy's gonna basketball
chym in his house, so I'm guessing he's been in
pretty good shape. I saw him during that horse tournament
having like a rebounding gun that just sort of pitched
the balls back out to him. So you know, maybe
Utah is a team to watch there. I think if

(41:48):
you're kind of looking at it generically, I think a
team like Philadelphia because benefit greatly mean Number one Ben
Simmons is likely going to play, so that wasn't gonna
happen under the normal playoff format. He was out with
the injury. By all accounts, he's going to be back
for this postseason. The Sixers are not a perimeter shooting team. Now.
I think that when the game comes back, those three

(42:09):
point shooting team is gonna have some problems because I
don't think anybody's coming back in mid season four. So
you know, if if you're a team that relies on
easy buckets and transition, that plays great defense, that has
a big time inside threat, you would have a chance
to at least but you know, from the optical perspective,
you might have a chance to surprise people. And that
quite literally defines Philadelphia right now that type of team.

(42:31):
They don't have any shooters. They have Joel m being
the inside, they can run the floor. So I look
at Philadelphia is maybe being a kind of a team
to watch um as as one that could come out
of the Eastern Conference. Why, in your opinion do we
wait until July thirty one to get back? I mean again,
I know that there's a training camp that goes into it,
but they're not even leaving for Orlando till what July seventh?

(42:52):
So what have you been able to uncover as to
why wait till the end of July. Well, for starters,
it's you know, it's nothing done yet. At this point,
you have to negotiate a number of different things with
the union of the next weekend. We have already seen
a little kind of fires pop up where whether it's
Adam Silver saying on TV that coaches wouldn't ren Max

(43:12):
and coaches pushing back on that, Michelle Roberts, the head
of the p A, reacting in a way about the
season next season starting in early December, and every union
doesn't want fat So this is gonna take a little
bit of time to finalize. And then you have to
deal with the state of Florida and you know, making
sure you're testing protocols are all in place on top
of that, and you've got guys that are I mean,

(43:34):
the NBA is a global weak. You guys didn't stay
in you know, Oklahoma City during this pandemic. If they
were foreigner, they went back to their home country for
the most part. So you're gonna have to get these
guys back in the country and you know, eventually get
them back into gym that eventually started training camp and
then ultimately moved them down to Florida where you've got
a quarantine for a couple of weeks. So I think
this is honestly, I think it's it's almost optimistic that

(43:56):
it can start on July thirty one. I mean, I
think if I was getting guessing if we will, but
it wouldn't surprise me at all. So you get pushed
a week or two. Wow, Chris Mannix is hanging out
with us. If you're not following him on Twitter, you're
doing it wrong. It's at s I Chris Mannox. I
know finals are a way off, but there seems to
be a bit of an abbreviated schedule. You wouldn't have
as many two days in between. Is that a concern

(44:18):
for someone like Lebron James. You know there would be
a Lebron question in your Chris, But is an abbreviated
schedule and abbreviated or truncated playoff an amount of rest days?
Is that a concern for someone like Lebron? I don't
think so. And honestly, I feel like it might be
am a little too over sensitive and over reacting to
um to the health of a thirty five year old

(44:40):
to think kind of think that. But because I mean,
he's been doing nothing for four months, he's been vacationing
basically and working out on his own. He's gotta come
back and have a training camp, a few games and
then you know, you play thirty five minutes a night.
Then you walked across like a concourse to go back
to your hotel and you know, take a nap. You're
probably not practicing the next day. If you are, it
could be very light. Um No, I think you know,

(45:03):
I just don't think that that the tightness of the
schedule is gonna have an impact on anybody physically. It's
just you know, I mean, you hate to go back
to the old days of frying flying you know, regular
commercial flights, playing four games at five nights, sometimes, But
I think being in one location certainly makes the the situation,

(45:24):
you know, far less difficult for these players to go
every other day amazing. You know back in the day,
the next were on my flight. Yeah, those days, those days,
those days, they're no longer here. You touched on this
a little bit earlier about the the the problems with
the union and the start date of December one for
next season. Is there any direction Chris Mannix on how

(45:48):
what would we have the next season extended into July
and August? Again? Would it be a full eighty two games?
Do you have any intel on that? On on on
how the twenty one season would unfold even with the
late start that we have, Well, it will be the
full light two games. After losing as much money as
they've lost this year, the NBA is not going to,

(46:09):
you know, give up any money next year. There's no
no way that's going to happen. Um. The the decision
to start on December one, from what I'm able to
clean early on, is it gives them an opportunity to
try to end their season on a somewhat regular schedule,
like you can tighten things up a little bit and
find a way to end in like late June, maybe

(46:31):
very early July. If you go in um on December one,
and then you can get back in a normal schedule,
you know, for two season. If that's the way you go, um,
I think that's a little goofy. I mean, I just
like I think the NBA has got an opportunity here
to see what summer basketball really looks like. So start

(46:52):
with season on Christmas, go to like late August, and
see what those numbers are, Like, see what the ratings
are for the NBA Finals in August, Like we ought
to assume that. You know that they'll be bad, because
ratings for the summer of bad. But it's always to
meet been a chicken in the egg thing, like rating
for the summers are bad because we put crap on TV,
Like people are not gonna watch that programming or reruns.

(47:14):
If there's something fresh and there's something new, people might watch.
I mean that the annapogy I use as a boxing
writer too, like Floyd Mayother Bacono McGregor in the dead
of summer in August and that diet like four million
paper view buys. Like if you put on a good
product in the summer, people are going to watch it,
and they're gonna watch it more with the technology of
smartphones and watching in different ways like on the beach

(47:36):
or outside whatever they're gonna do. Um, somebody else has
something to me where it's like, you know, people don't
like to go outside in like Arizona, Texas and southern
Florida in in August, so you might get more people
watching from there that are Um. You know that will
up grow up your ratings a little bit. So I'd
like to see the NBA try out the summer and
if it's an epic failure, oh look, you roll the
dice and you can go back to your your schedule

(47:58):
the next year. Hey manni's real quick before you let
your run. Are we gonna get a Fight Island for boxing?
Is Dana gonna let the boxing guys? Potentially? But I mean,
what where are we right now and trying to get
some boxing events back rolling? I mean fight Islands and
me is a myth until proven otherwise. But this has
been it has been going on for two months now.
Where we talking about Fight Island and I don't even
know where the island is or how it's all set

(48:20):
up and how they're skirting all these international laws to
have fights take place. Then it's just it's a fun
concept and would make a good video game, but I don't.
I have to see it before I believe it. I
think like boxing getting rolling on Tuesday, and I think
they're gonna have a busy summer. I think you'll see
obviously Cop Rank is rolling, but I think match Room
Golden Boy, Um, you know you're not gonna get Canelo

(48:41):
go lofting, but you probably get a Canelo back. You're
not gonna get Anthony Joshua in a big fight where
you get Anthony Joshua back. So I think combat sports
are are really going to get rolling beginning next week
and continue wing throughout the supper. He's Chris Mannix. Find
him on Twitter at s I Chris Mannox. Read him
on Sports Illustrated. Has seen the writer. You can see
him from time with time on Fox Sports One as well.
Appreciate it, Chris, have a good weekend. You got a guy.

(49:04):
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(49:33):
and we are glad to have you with us for
the next three hours. So much to get to, so
many people to talk to as well. We will dive
into the news in college hoops today with Oklahoma State
and what that could mean with other programs dealing with
the FBI and the federal investigation that went down. We
also will dive in and talk some college football talks,

(49:54):
some NFL. But Chris, we start out today with the
NBA because it's the league that we have that we
know the most about when it comes to returning to
action and it's not business as usual, but we know
when games are gonna be played, we know where they're
going to be played. We just don't know if the
seven year old coaches will be allowed to be on

(50:15):
the sidelines or where the teams are gonna stay. But
other than that, I think that the NBA has got
everything going for it. We don't know who's gonna play who,
we don't know uh when they're gonna play, but by God,
we know that we have a season coming up. We
know that it's a little under two months away from
finally getting restarted, and you know, we could talk about
not matchups yet, but how we see teams playing out,

(50:38):
how we see maybe if there is a such thing
as taking three and a half months off and there
is a benefit to it. I don't know. It's almost
like starting a whole season all over. But Dan, I'm
excited to get into it today. It's there's so much
still mystery. I'm kind of I'm not real smart when
it comes to trying to figure out brackets and trying
to make sense of all of this. And I'm looking

(51:00):
at the standings right now and I think to myself, Wow,
Wizards get in by the skin of their teeth, but
they've got some work to duty even gain at eight
nine matchup and it's a mess in the West. So
I don't really know what's going on, but I know
we've got three hours to try to figure it out
here today. Yeah. And one of the things that struck
me when looking at the twenty two team layout in

(51:21):
what we're gonna have when the season resumes in Orlando
is a lot of these teams basically I don't know
seventeen games, fifteen games to play. When you're looking at
the overall sense of the league, somewhere around fifty to
twenty games left. That's obviously going to be shortened by
about twelve games. So most of these teams are gonna
be playing about seventy games in the season. But what
struck me when you mentioned a team like the Wizards

(51:43):
who's five and a half back in the Eastern Conferences.
You're gonna need uh to make a little hay and
the and the the ability. That's why I think that
the playing of the eight and nine was put in
because the ability to close five and a half games
in eight games is darn near impossible, Like there's no
way that the Wizards could do it. What would even

(52:03):
make it more difficult than what Dawn done me last
night was that the Wizards are gonna have to do
this against NBA playoff caliber teams. There. They don't have
like two games against the Knicks to come in and
maybe get a win or face the depleted Warriors team.
Those teams are not in the in Orlando. So when

(52:24):
you look at the teams trying to make up ground
and the teams that are on the outside looking in,
their schedule just got a bit tougher because they don't
maybe have some cupcakes. Maybe there was some schedule indeficiencies
where you had a couple of games against you know,
worst teams. Now instead you replace it with the Clippers
of the Lakers, of the Bucks. I think it's gonna
be tougher for the for the teams on the outside
looking in, Yeah, I think about this stretch that they

(52:46):
would have had and I'm just being you know, very hypothetical.
They had a game uh in there, Well, they're they're
scheduled on the stretch was pretty tough regardless. They had Indie,
they had New Orleans, had Charlotte as a couple of
games that they might be able to win, Houston, Toronto, Indie, Anna,
So it wasn't necessarily cake. But there's no Indiana. There's
no Charlotte that's gonna be on this Well, I guess

(53:07):
maybe there will be Indiana on the schedule. Obio Charlotte
to bail them out and try to make it an
easy game. And Dan, you hit on something that I
think is a hard thing to truly magnify. And I
don't necessarily say to all fans, but two people like me.
We look at it and say, oh, you're only five
games back. You can make that up. Five games back
in the NBA is virtually impossible whenever you have eight

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games to toe. I mean, you're you're legitimately rooting, and
I know you just have to get to four, but
still you're rooting for a team to kind of fall
on their face, and then you've got to go basically
seven and one eight no against playoff teams. So yeah,
it's gonna be tough, I think for the Wizards. And
I don't even know if I could see see Portland's

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three back in the West three and a half back
in the West as his New Orleans Sacramentos right there.
I mean, can you imagine getting into the playoffs without
San Antonio their full back Phoenix is six back. I mean,
you can go ahead. I don't even why Phoenix is going.
But it's just it's crazy that our battle isn't necessarily
amongst the top teams watching them. It's going to be more. Hey,
how do they look? They generated some interest in teams

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that at this point in the season we probably will
we would be done, but we probably wouldn't have been
paying much attention to when we're talking about down the
home stretch of the season. Yeah, and that's what makes
the balance of what this was all about in in
terms of trying to be safe, and that's maybe why
you don't want all thirty two teams there, but you
want some competition, so you go, okay, should we do

(54:29):
six team Well, that's maybe not, uh, the the ideal
format for the teams that were just on the outside
looking in, but it's also a way to make it
be competitive for those teams, to allow a few more
teams to get in by having that possible play in
situation making it a little bit more difficult for them. Also,
just with the NBA trying to experiment with an option

(54:51):
that they had talked about of just having play in
spots going from uh, you know a seven seven verses
ten and eight versus nine matchup that is thrown about
months ago that you could see to get into the
final two spots of the playoffs to the into the
conference playoffs. Those would be some of the experiments that
the NBA at least could try on this little little
bit of an experiment in Orlando with the eight nine matchup,

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what I want to now get into and what I
think we need to get into is we can actually
look at teams now and say, how does this work
out for them? Do the Lakers and Lebron James have
a legitimate chance? Is this set up well for the
Clippers and Kauai Leonard? What about the Bucks in the
Eastern Conference? And been Online has released odds to win

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the NBA title now that we know how the regular
season is going to wrap up and how the playoffs
will commence, and we believe that the NBA Finals likely
would be a situation where you wouldn't have two days
off in between games, you would just have one and
likely playing those games in Orlando. With all that being said,
been Online has the Lakers right now is the odds

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on FAE for it to win the NBA title at
eleven to five, Clippers, who were coming on late in
the second half of the season at eleven to four,
with the Bucks at three to one. The next closest
where the Boston Celtics at twelve to one, followed by
the Rockets at one. So, Chris, we've got basically three
teams kind of separating themselves from what we saw in

(56:20):
the NBA regular season. They're also doing it in the
odds in this new revamped NBA format, maybe not much
of a surprise with those top three teams. How brilliant though,
is it? Or maybe a better sign of the times
that there's odds out before we even really truly know
what the schedule of games down the stretch is going

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to look like. And I was thinking about a lot
of things whenever you realize that, hey, we've got the
NBA coming back, and in in our mind, I start
thinking about, Okay, is it a younger team whose body
might not need as much time to kind of recuperate,
And if and if that's the case, do you look
more towards if New Orleans can make around or oaklad
hom a city, or heck, even I mean Toronto is

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a relatively young team in the East that I know
we all stopped paying attention when Kauai left outside of
the handful of Raptors fans. But they're really good. So
could this benefit them because obviously they've had a little
bit more time or ve trends who know how to
take care of their body, who have been through the
grind of the season. But maybe this break, as unfortunate

(57:23):
as as it's been, has benefited him. So I guess Dan,
that's why I'm so fascinated to see the Lakers still
is a favorite, because you would think they might be
one of the bigger question marks without a handle it, right.
I mean, am I crazy for thinking that? Is that
just me maybe being paranoid fan too as well because
things are going so well for him. Yeah, I think
that this is I think that the hype gets gets

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brought up and the further year away from I don't
want to say what reality was, but the Clippers playing
their better basketball became a real legitimate threat with the Lakers.
I'm sitting here as a fan of the Milwaukee Bucks saying,
you really think that they have the third best outs
to win an NBA title when they are in the
as we say, weaker conference of the Eastern Conference. When

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you look at how Milwaukee, who has had the best
record in the NBA in this shortened season, had the
best record in the NBA in last year's season, in
a situation where the Bucks have started out twelve and
three in this season, last year they started out eleven
and four. So when you want to take everything into account, Chris,

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when you look at what the Bucks have done I
think it's I I am I shocked that the Milwaukee
Bucks are considered the third best option in trying to
win an NBA title, considering the track record of of
what they've done in the regular season, how they've started
out this season, and the complete unknowns that we've got

(58:53):
with this current format. So why wouldn't you just go
with the best team? And the best team has been
the Milwaukee Bucks. And that's what is so surprising to
me to see them leg in the odds behind the
Lakers and Clippers, because there's so much in Milwaukee's favor
when it comes to looking at those three teams of
this resumed season. See, I knew this came back to
home arism. That's one Dan. That's still some pretty good numbers.

(59:18):
But when we look at the shortened when you look
at the shortened schedule, what two teams, what two players
do we most associate rest management within the NBA? And
I think it's Lebron James in Kawhi Leonard. Those are
the two guys. So now you're expecting the guys who
have been load management guys not being able to get

(59:41):
their full rest of the playoffs where you would get
two days off in between games, not just the one games.
I think that is something that comes into play and
ask the question. Now, maybe in the long run it
doesn't end up being an issue because they're playing a
shortened season and Kauai can handle it and it's not
a big deal. But I think when you're looking at

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from where we are looking at it from where we
are right now, I don't know how you cannot hold
that against the Lakers or the Clippers when you look
at how abbreviated the schedule is going to be, especially
when it comes to rest for these guys. Yeah. Yeah,
that's a fascinating conversation. And and to be honest with you, Dan,
something I haven't thought about too terribly much. Will that uh,
not having the extra day off between games? Could that

(01:00:23):
benefit someone like your honest because obviously there's load management,
is m I A. I'm curious in to see how
do teams play that are secure in their spots in
the playoffs? How do they play those final eight games?
You know, do you do you go all in? I mean,
are you just and unlessen you're gonna have to play
guys because they've got to get their legs back in shape.
But I mean, are you are you being smart about it?

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Are you maybe rotating a few more guys in? Are
you going all out to make sure that you're at
one physical peak performance by the time we finally get
into the playoff side of things, which will begin. Uh, well,
I guess, I guess if if you have the season
starting on the thirty one, so what would that put
the playoffs right around August? We found so, so that

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would mean that the playoff spots would be set, so
you would have about from July thirty one to August
somewhere there. So I'm real curious to see what the
plan is in those eight games. And then, like you're saying,
do you be a little bit smart and how you
use your guys? Do you go all in? Are these
games that you look at as must win and you've
been so amped up because you haven't been a chance,

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I haven't had a chance to truly play competitive basketball.
Do you go after it? Do you maybe show more
caution because you're worried about injuries and because you kind
of have the stop and start in nature of this season. So, Dan,
I think a long answer to very short and good
question in my world is, let's see how they handle
those eight games, and then maybe that'll give us a

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better idea of just how teams are gonna be affected
instead of having a couple of days off between playoff games.
It's just one. If I'm the Bucks and if find
the Lakers who have sizeable leads in their conferences, I
use four games the first the first four as your
preseason games, and then you use the next four to
get your guys in. Now, the minutes, the minutes logged

(01:02:14):
by Honice, the Bucks do a great job in limiting
his amount of minutes on the court, which is amazing
considering the numbers that he puts up, where maybe if
he played more minutes, you're seeing even better numbers from him.
The flip side of that is maybe if he's playing
more minutes, he's a little bit worn down. But Janice
isn't as taxed as taxed as much as other maybe

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superstars who have to carry the load, which is kind
of crazy. I actually think that can benefit them, And
I'm curious if you're the Lakers, if you've got that
size of a lead, like the Clippers have to battle
for the two and three spots, there's still there's still
something up for grabs for there. They're only a game
and a half up on Denver and there are only
two up, three up on the Utah Jazz, So there

(01:02:56):
are games that you're gonna want to play. But with
the Lakers up five and a half on the Clippers,
I take it easy with Lebron and the first floor.
Have him and a d get their legs in the
next four and then go on from there. That's how
I would proceed. Yeah, you're in a pretty good spot
if you're the Lakers right now. You're in a really
good spot if you're Milwaukee. Some of those other battles,
I mean, Toronto and Boston could tighten up, I guess,

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But yeah, I like your idea. Play the first four,
you know, make sure you get your your younger guys
out there and and make sure you get you but
don't don't risk anything. Then head down the stretch towards
the playoffs. You start peeking towards where you need to be. Obviously,
that's not something that I guess we need to throw
Brooklyn in here. That Brooklyn, Orlando, Washington and of course
a bevy of teams battling for the eighth spot in

(01:03:38):
the Western Conference can't even worry about right now. They
gotta go all in from the first moment they start.
It's amazing because the the East was so I mean,
there's only there's really only six good teams, so you're
kind of battling to be like, Okay, don't be in
the you know, make sure you can get get on
the side of the bracket. If you're the Bucks, you're
gonna get one of the bad teams. If you're the

(01:04:00):
two seed and you're the Raptors and the Celtics, you
want to play the Nets because he sure has heck,
don't want to play the sixers with maybe a healthier
you know, Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons coming back. That's
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You can tweet Chris Blank at Plank Show. I'm at
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Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, Chris, how are
you doing today? We are doing well. Blank and I

(01:05:24):
are hanging out. We just kind of started the whole
session of of talking about the NBA because there's more
that we know about this league and how they're going
to resume things in actual games than maybe anywhere else,
and no Hockey's got their set up, but we don't
even know when they're gonna start playing. So we started
breaking down, actually, what is happening with the NBA, what's
gonna happen with these twenty two teams? And instead of

(01:05:47):
starting at the top, Chris, I want to ask you
because over these last two days that that Chris and
I have been in for Doug, we seem to focus
so much on the bottom, and it seems that the
NBA is folking focusing on maybe those six teams that
get in or those you know, those seven and eight seeds.
Is there a particular reason why so much focus was

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on maybe those just barely on the inside or those
just on the outside looking in when they were trying
to figure out a way to resume play. Well, it's
more about the teams that we're on the outside looking
in right now, because if you're not going to just
bring the six team playoff teams back, you had to
give the teams coming back something to play for. And

(01:06:32):
you hurt Damian Lillard to lend a voice to that
in an interview last week. Um, and I can tell
you a number of players that I talked to you
felt the same way, like we don't want to come
back to use a boxing analogy, to be basically a
glorified sparring partner. Um, you know in in these sessions
as teams get ready for playoffs. So I just I

(01:06:54):
think it's more about giving these teams that are coming
back an opportunity to play for something. And by creating
that play in game between the eight and nine seed,
if there within four games each other, that adds lit
a layer of excitement to the postseason, and it creates
kind of a fairness, uh sort of scale for these teams.
Are these uh yeah, but these teams to come back.

(01:07:14):
Chris Mannox of Sports Illustrated running us here on the
Doug Gottlieb Show. So I'm trying to figure out, Chris,
do we look at three months off as benefiting anyone?
I mean, it's unchartered territory. But as you start to
handicap what the season might look like from just a
matchups perspective, younger, older, I mean, is is there any
benefit at all? It's so hard to tell, and we're

(01:07:36):
not We're not going to know anything until these guys
get back into camp and we see, you know, who's
been keeping in basketball shape and who has been keeping
in no shape whatsoever. Um, is there a sean temp
in this group that just balloons over the last four months?
Is there? Uh? You know Mike Conleck Jr. Has I mean,
the guy's got a basketball jim in his house, so

(01:07:57):
I'm guessing he's been in pretty good shape. I saw
him during that horse tournament having like a rebounding gun
that just sort of pitch the balls back out to them.
So you know, maybe Utah is a team to watch there.
I think if you're kind of looking at it generically,
I think a team like Philadelphia because benefit greatly mean
Number one Ben Simmons is likely going to play, so
that wasn't gonna happen under the normal playoff format. He

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was out with the back injury. By all accounts, he's
going to be back for this postseason. The Sixers are
not a perimeter shooting team. Now. I think that when
the game comes back, those three point shooting team is
gonna have some problems because I don't think anybody's coming
back in mid season four. So you know, if if
you're a team that relies on easy buckets and transition,
that plays great defense, that has a big time inside threat,

(01:08:43):
you would have a chance to at least but you know,
from the optical perspective, you might have a chance to
surprise people. And that quite literally defines Philadelphia right now
that type of team. They don't have any shooters, they
have Joel m being the inside and they can run
the floor. So I look at Philadelphia is maybe being
a kind of a team to watch um as as
one that could come out of the Eastern Conference. Why,
in your opinion do we wait until July thirty one

(01:09:06):
to get back? I mean again, I know that there's
a training camp that goes into it, but they're not
even leaving for Orlando to what July seven. So what
have you been able to uncover as to why wait
till the end of July? Well, for starters, it's you know,
it's nothing done yet at this point you have to
negotiate a number of different things with the union of
the next weekend. We have already seen a little kind

(01:09:28):
of fires pop up where whether it's Adam Silver saying
on TV that coaches wouldn't renax and coaches pushing back
on that. Michelle Roberts, the head of the p A,
reacting in a way about the season next season starting
in early December, and any union doesn't want that. So
this is gonna take a little bit of time to finalize,
and then you have to deal with the state of

(01:09:48):
Florida and you know, making sure you're testing protocols are
all in place. On top of that, and you've got
guys that are I mean, the NBA is a global weak.
You guys didn't stay in Oklahoma City during this pandemic.
If they were foreigner, they went back to their home
country for the most part. So you can have to
get these guys back in the country and you know,
eventually get them back into gym that eventually start training

(01:10:09):
camp and then ultimately moved them down to Florida. Whe
You've got a quarantine for a couple of weeks. So
I think this is honestly, I think it's it's almost
optimistic that it can start on July thirty one. I mean,
I think if I was getting guessing, you probably will,
but it wouldn't surprise me at all. So you get
pushed a week or two. Wow. Chris Mannix is hanging
out with us. If you're not following him on Twitter,
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(01:10:30):
I know finals are a way off, but there seems
to be a bit of an abbreviated schedule. You wouldn't
have as many two days in between. Is that a
concern for someone like Lebron James? You know there would
be a Lebron question in your Chris, But is an
abbreviated schedule and abbreviated or truncated playoff and amount of
rest days? Is that a concern for someone like Lebron?

(01:10:51):
I don't think so, And honestly, I feel like it
might be almost little too over sensitive and over reacting
to um to to the health of a thirty five
year old to think kind of think that, but because
I mean, he's been doing nothing for four months, he's
been vacationing basically and working out on his own. He's
gonna come back and have a training camp, a few games,

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and then you know, you play thirty five minutes a night.
Then you walked across like a concourse to go back
to your hotel and you know, take a nap. You're
probably not practicing the next day, and if you are,
it's gonna be very light. Um No, I think, you know,
I just don't think that that the tightness of the
schedule is gonna have an impact on anybody physically. It's
just you know, I mean, you hate to go back

(01:11:33):
to like the old days of frying flying, you know,
you know, regular commercial flights playing four games and five
nights sometimes. But I think being in one location certainly
makes the the situation, you know, far less difficult for
these players to go every other day. Amazing. You know,
back in the day the next were on my flight. Yeah,
those days, those days, those days are no longer here.

(01:11:54):
You touched on this a little bit earlier about the
the the problems with the union and the start date
of December one for next season. Is there any direction
Chris Mannix on how what would we have the next
season extended into July and August again? Would it be
a full eighty two games? Do you have any intel

(01:12:16):
on that on on on how the season would unfold
even with the late start that we have, Well, it
will be the full eighty two games. After losing as
much money as they've lost this year, the NBA is
not going to you know, give up any money next year.
There's no no way that's going to happen. Um. The
decision to start on December one, from what I'm able

(01:12:38):
to clean early on, is it gives them an opportunity
to try to end their season on a somewhat regular schedule.
Like you can tighten things up a little bit and
find a way to end in like late June, maybe
very early July. If you go in um on December one,
and then you can get back on a normal schedule

(01:13:00):
for two season. If that's the way you go. Um,
I think that's a little goofy. I mean I I
just like I think the NBA has got an opportunity
here to see what summer basketball really looks like. So
start the season on Christmas, go to like late August,
and see what those numbers are, Like, see what the
ratings are for the NBA Finals in August, Like we

(01:13:21):
aught to assume that you know that they'll be bad
because ratings the summer of bad. But it's always to
meet ben a chicken in the egg thing, Like ratings
for the summerings are bad because we put crap on TV,
Like people are not gonna watch that program or reruns
if there's something fresh and there's something new, people might watch.
I mean that the analogy I use as a boxing
writer too, Like Floyd Mayother Bacono McGregor in the dead

(01:13:44):
of summer in August and that did like four million
paper view buys. Like if you put on a good
product in the summer, people are going to watch it,
and they're gonna watch it more with the technology of
smartphones and watching in different ways like on the beach
or outside whatever they're gonna do. Uh some of else
of something to me where it's like, you know, people
don't like to go outside in like Arizona, Texas, in

(01:14:04):
southern Florida in in August, so you might get more
people watching from there that are um you know that
will up grow up your ratings a little bit. So
I'd like to see the NBA try out the summer
and if it's an epic failure, oh look, you roll
the dice and you can go back to your your
schedule the next year. Hey man, it's real quick before
you let your run. Are we gonna get a fight
Island for boxing? Is Dana gonna let the boxing guys? Potentially?

(01:14:27):
But I mean, what where are we right now and
trying to get some boxing events back rolling. I mean
Fight Islands and me is a myth until for an otherwise,
but this has been it has been going on for
two months now. We'll be talking about Fight Island and
I don't even know where the island is or how
it's all set up and how they're skirting all these
international laws to have fights take place there. I it's
just it's a fun concept and would make a good

(01:14:48):
video game, but I don't. I have to see it
before I believe it. I think like boxing getting rolling
on Tuesday, and I think they're gonna have a busy summer.
I think you'll see obviously cop Rank is rolling, but
I think match Room Golden like, um, you know you're
not gonna get cannellical lofting, but you probably get a
Canello back. You're not gonna get Anthony Joshua in a
big fight when you get Anthony Joshua back. So I
think combat sports are are really going to get rolling

(01:15:11):
beginning next week and continueing throughout the supper. He's Chris Mannix.
Find him on Twitter at si Chris Mannox. Read him
on Sports Illustrated as a senior writer you can see
him from time to time on Fox Sports One as well.
Appreciated Chris, have a good weekend. You got a guy,
Chris Mannox joining us here on the Doug Gottleib Show.
He's Chris Blank, I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug
gott Leaves Show. I used the word bullish when I

(01:15:34):
described Plank's thoughts on the college football season happening in
because I stole the word from Big twelve commissioner Bob Bulsby,
who had a similar take within the last week or so.
But now that some students are athletes are getting back
on campus, Chris, we have had the report that some
Oklahoma State players have tested positive some Alabama football players

(01:15:56):
testing positive for COVID nineteen. You still eve that college
football is on its way to maybe being a little
bit more normal than we realized a month or two ago. Yes, yes,
and with fans and stands. Let me just real quick
one angle on this. And I have been bullish that
college football is going to happen from the moment in

(01:16:18):
March when people were trying to tell us that it
wasn't going to I'm like, what do you what are
you doing? It's March. We've got plenty of time to
hopefully get a better handle on this virus, understand how
it spreads, into a better job of controlling the pandemic.
And in reality, I feel like that college campus has
became the first place that people started to kind of

(01:16:40):
that's the best way to put a panic right, because
the take came out that if students aren't on campus,
then we're not gonna play football. Then, Dan, we went
through a process of what debating, Well, what's truly the
definition of open? Is a campus really open if students
are still taking classes, but yet a virtual that's open? Right,

(01:17:01):
So all those debates aside, you see these stories coming out.
You mentioned a Tuscaloosy yesterday. Five players they tested positive
Oklhoma State. I think they reported over the week and
they had three players. One in an Oklahoma State player
that went public and said, Hey, just so you guys know,
I was protesting and Tulsa this weekend. So if you
were in these areas around me, you just know that

(01:17:22):
I have been asymptomatic and I have it. I'm sorry,
but you may may want to make sure you get checked.
So the key here is some people panic, that panic
word again, and they say, oh my gosh, players have
tested positive. Shut it all down. There's no way we
can do it. It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen everywhere.
It's it's gonna happen from Tuscaloosa. It's gonna happen in Gainesville.

(01:17:42):
It's gonna happen in Portland, Maine. It's gonna happen in Portland, Oregon.
It's gonna happen in Norman, Oklahoma. It's gonna happen everywhere. Damn,
because you're not in athletic directors and conference commissioners and
n c double A president and administrators. The one thing
that they have found out is the key isn't saying
no one's gonna get it. The key is accepting that
that's going to happen and making sure you mitigated a SAP.

(01:18:04):
So I saw these stories. I saw a lot of
people wanting to say, I told you so, they're coming
back too early. No, no, No. That number for Oklahoma
State that came out was lower than what they actually expected.
They thought there would be more players that came back
and tested positive. The numbers from Alabama are right about
where they thought it would be, so they quarantine those players,
they get them back after a couple of negative tests,

(01:18:26):
and boom, you're in the flow of things and you're
properly protecting the rest of your team. So I saw
some panic. You know, there's a lot of what does
Clay Column Corona Bros? Is that the right? I don't
want to, you know, there's a lot of Corona bros.
Out there that want to say we're doing things too quickly.
But in the case of college sports, they have planned
for this. This had kind of been the understanding that

(01:18:47):
we're gonna have guys test positive, we quarantine, quarantine them asap,
and then we continue our testing and our sanitation and
our proper and I guess maybe separation would be the
term too, away from everyone else who is who is
safe and healthy. But the college experience, and in defense
of the Corona Bros, the college experience in college athletics

(01:19:09):
and specifically college football is unlike anything anything else. Not
only are the crowds bigger than you would get at
any other sporting event here in the United States, you also,
Chris have such a large contingency of people coming from
different areas, whether it be students returning back to campus,
whether it be fans or alumni from around the country.

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So I could see why there was there were questions happening.
What I think was was the tipping point or when
this all happened in mid March. We were worried about baseball,
we were worried about basketball, and there were some of
us that were looking ahead to college football. Nothing changed
from March to April. Really nothing did. And I would

(01:19:55):
almost argue not much changed from March to May. Would
is changed or from mid May. From mid May until now,
what has changed is just been almost a one eighty
of what we've had in those two months. So I
don't want to fault the Corona Bros. For the panic,
just because I do think that situation is um so

(01:20:17):
unlike everything else. But I do agree with you in
the sense of I think we're getting more and more.
I mean, we talked about Texas, he and Brian talking
about Ohio letting golf fans come in. I think we're
getting closer and closer, and it's all it's all due
to now we know more about this and how it's
But now it's also regional though too, Dan, it's regional.
My state has been open for a month. We've been

(01:20:38):
able to go to restaurants, and we've been able to
get our hairs cut and do whatever we want. So
when you say, yeah, no, it makes no sense when
I hear some of this panic. But in that that's
my homerism because I've been here in a state that's
that's had a limited nut and hasn't been affected that much.
So when I hear people trying to shut things down
in March, you stop and you say, calm down. I mean,
we've been we're on the final year of reopening everything.

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I mean, basically, I'm not kidding outside of some people
wearing masks, if you were here, just like you were
with me and Tulsa Dan when those two people showed
up to my remote back in the day, if you
were here right now, you would be blos It's like
there was never a pandemic. So it's so in April,
you guys were fine. S Yeah, we were quarantined, but
it started, I mean things were open, things were open

(01:21:22):
back up, absolutely, and then they started going through the process.
In early May. We're taking place. And by the way,
why are we trying to end a season that starts
in September and April. That's always been my frustration in
all of this, and bottom line, they have prepared for it,
they know it, they get what's all. They're not talking
to um, you're cutting I'm not saying you do this then,

(01:21:42):
But they're not talking to my cousin on Facebook, who
thinks this is a hoax right there, They're they're talking
to medical professionals who have gone through so we I'm
very much homeroistic in it from the perspective of we
just it hasn't hit our state that hard, and maybe
it's coming. Maybe I should shut up, Maybe I shouldn't
be tearing the goalposts down midway through the fourth quarter.
But it's just it's so odd for us because it's

(01:22:03):
almost as if, and this is the reality in certain areas,
they're done, so done, and they feel like they're moving
on to the next phase of sports and they're wondering
why everything isn't open back up. He's Chris Plank, I'm
Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Get Chris on Twitter at Plank Show.
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(01:22:25):
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This is game time side on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

(01:22:50):
Hello Brian, Dan, We've got a game psychic. Oh, that's
the end today. Like you get to look into the
crystal ball and look ahead and see you what we've
got in the world of sports. I can't I like it.
I like it. You guys are gonna channel your inner
palm reader right now. The n C double A on
Friday issued a one year postseason band to Oklahoma States.

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So there are a bunch of different penalties that came
down the postseason banded for this coming year scholarship reductions.
The question is, guys, what will five star signy for
the Cowboys Kate Cunningham do? Will he transfer? Will he
stick around? Because he's most likely a one and done
kind of guy. M I look into my crystal ball

(01:23:34):
and I see him staying at Oklahoma State. I think
that it would benefit him. Obviously, his brother is now
an assistant there, which is I think is one of
the reasons why made that decision. But also realistically, there
are people who feel that maybe top NBA prospects, when
their teams aren't that good, shouldn't even play games in

(01:23:55):
the n c Double A tournament, possibly thinking that they
would risk injury if they're not going to make the
post season anyway, you know what, maybe better off for
him to have fewer games. If I mean this is
unless Oklahoma State would have been a national championship contender,
which we we will maybe find out final they play
in the regular season. But realistically, I think he stays

(01:24:16):
because I don't think missing out on the tournament affects
his draft status whatsoever. No, he's starred, and I think
he stays because I think Oklahoma State is gonna appeal
and I think they've got a strong case. They're gonna
be pretty good next year, the Oklahoma State Cowboys in basketball,
and I think they're gonna appeal. I think they're gonna
end up getting a chance to still play this postseason.

(01:24:37):
I think he sticks around. By the way, he's already
turned down Brian Finley one offer from the G League,
so I think he plays in the Big twelve next year. Well,
we had a u c L a guy that decided
to take up the G League and pass up his
five or his five star status, So that's no fun.
The Portland Trailblazers guys, the sole team to vote against
the league's return to play format. They are currently three

(01:25:00):
to have games out of a playoffs spot. So how
realistic is it, guys that the Blazers reached the playoffs
given they have only eight games in the regular season.
Plank you want to take this? I think, with what
we talked about with Antonio Daniels yesterday on Memphis getting healthy,

(01:25:21):
I don't think there's any chance at all that they
end up making it. In fact, I think that they'll
end up finishing behind both New Orleans and Sacramento. Now
I love Dame trying to prove me wrong, so maybe
I'm trying to stoke the fire a little bit. But yeah, Dan,
I think I think the NBA's Western Conference is gonna
look very much like it looks right now whenever we
start the playoffs. One thing that hasn't been addressed, and

(01:25:42):
we should have asked Chris Mannox, this is what happens
if there are three teams with point four games of
that final spot. How do we end up processing that
if you have four teams to just do a tournament.
Portland's getting healthy. They are getting healthier. Zach Collins could
be back, Nurkics could play games for them. I do
think that if it comes down to a scenario where

(01:26:04):
it would be Portland and Memphis, I do think that
Portland could get a couple of wins. So I think
that Portland's aspects and prospects are brighter than what Chris
Plank season his crystal ball. I like it. I see
a blazing light. And and by the way, this is
all because Plank doesn't like their logo along with gabae.
So that that that's that's another bias as well. Guys.

(01:26:28):
Bruce Arians recently said he would start to a tongue
of voloa if healthy. He went on to say, quote,
you don't learn anything holding a clipboard, end quote. So
channeling your inner psychic powers will the Dolphins start to
once he's declared healthy. I still think it's gonna be
Ryan Fitzpatrick's team to start the season and I think

(01:26:50):
it's gonna be fascinating to watching the pre CD season
to see just how healthy too it is, because I
think he's gonna play, and I think he's gonna play
if there is a preseason, right, I think he's gonna
play well, and I think it's gonna be one of
those conversations where people are gonna wonder why he's not
playing more. Will add this? Go ahead? No, wrap it up.
This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show. Bruce

(01:27:14):
Arians who said that Tom Brady will have a lot
of input on the offense. Bruce Arians also recently saying
they're going to a lot of twelve formations, which is
Tom Brady input. Because Bruce Arians never really liked tight ends.
Now you may have two of them on the field.
Bruce Arians and Tom Brady quite a partnership, with Brady's
fingerprints already all over everything. He's Chris Plank, I'm Dan Buyer.

(01:27:34):
This is The Doug Gottlieb Show. Does major League Baseball
have a chance to survive and succeed this summer? We'll
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(01:27:55):
give us the latest and we'll be on the ready
if there's any breaking news. John rom was hanging out
and at the bottom of the hour we put him
to the test again. We're not gonna make them walk
the plank. We've got something else in store for John
Ramos in a segment that we like to call Sooner
or later. Gavin Kinsel our executive producer. Today, this is

(01:28:16):
a Gavin Kinsel production. We are talking baseball. We just
don't know if they are going to be playing baseball.
Has the two sides? The owners in the Union cannot
come to an agreement on how to resume their season.
The union rejected, or i should say the league rejected
the union's proposal earlier this week of a one fourteen

(01:28:40):
game schedule. The union has no interest in really playing
a fifty game schedule, which has been proposed by owners.
The owners say that they'll lose money if they end
up playing eighty to a hundred and fourteen games. We
are now at a stalemate between the two signs, and
in the sport Chris that honestly, I thought it was

(01:29:00):
definitely gonna be the first one back. We kept hearing
the July fourth date, maybe even June. We are still
waiting on major League Baseball, and that has concerned many
of us. You know, it's interesting, Dan, you and I
agree on a lot of things in life, and um,
i've and I think that's been the way since we
first worked together many moons ago. We kind of fundamentally
disagree on the long lasting impact that this could have

(01:29:23):
if baseball can't get back. But before we get there,
I have to start here. When in negotiations there's one team,
are one side, I guess I should say, come up
with a number, like say, oh, I don't know the
owners have eighty five was their first proposal for games,
and then another side comes back. Let's say in this

(01:29:43):
case it's the players, and that number is in the
one hundreds. And usually in negotiations that next number would
be where somewhere in the nineties. Maybe maybe the next
number that came out was fifty. And then there were
Dan Patrick grad party today it was in the high forties.
And what is going on? How come they cannot find
a middle ground, and we're just talking about games. We're

(01:30:05):
not even talking about the compensation side of it, which
one day it seems like they understand where it is,
the next day there's a complete and total confusing layout
of where we are. I mean, most of my life
I spend confused. But I don't know if I've ever
been more perplexed by the tact and then who's in
the wrong and who's in the right with these negotiations
on baseball's return. It's mind boggling. I've tweeted this, I've

(01:30:28):
said it on this network. I believe that the greatest
travelry and all of sports is not Army Navy, or
Oklahoma Texas or Ohio State Michigan. It is the baseball
owners against the baseball players union because the amount of
angst and the issues that these sides have. And I
know they will point out that the baseball insiders and

(01:30:48):
writers will say, it's just like John MOROSEI said to me,
baseball is the you know, the longest there has the
longest non work stoppage streak of the major sport worts,
which may be fair. NFL didn't lose any games, but
there was a lockout in twenty eleven. But the point
being is they can't agree on anything. And it's funny

(01:31:10):
because Doug isn't here. And I said this to Doug
last week. Doug has used the the fable of the
scorpion and the frog trying to cross the river, where
the scorpion is going to sting the frog, and the
scorbon is like, why would I sting you? If I would,
just I mean, if I sting you, we're both gonna die.
And because that's just who they are. And I think
that's both sides and neither side really trust the other.

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And I think that there's an enormous lack of trust
on the player's side to give up anything with their
salaries because once they do it, there And that's been
the message, whether it be from Tony Clark, whether it
be from Scott Boris, who has had a much bigger
voice in this than I think anybody would have realized.
But it's they just they I don't want to say
that they feared, but they just so don't trust baseball

(01:31:55):
owners to do the right thing. And and I think
that's what is so different Colton all of this is
that's why neither side wants to give an inch. There's
some that still feel that, Okay, they're gonna come to
their senses and play eighty two games. But I think
that we felt that for the last three weeks. And
maybe maybe there is a rapid turn like things are
turning in this country and they find an agreement. But

(01:32:15):
right now, as we're sitting here on June five, I
don't know really what's different than what it was three
or four weeks ago, aside from a bunch of turned
down proposals. And again, I think it just goes to
the root of the problem of the Union and the
players Association just having this absolute lack of trust. Yeah,
and you're you're getting to a point none and I'm
I'm not moronic. I might not be the smartest man, Dan,

(01:32:36):
but I'm not an idiot. I know that when I
say there's a chance that you could have some stadiums
in states where fans could be in stands, I know
that it won't be capacity, and I get it that
it won't be you know, the thirty to forty at
some places, But it's just you're starting to get to
the point now where you look at the calendar and
you realize this whole party that we all have planned

(01:32:57):
on July four, it's not happening for baseball's return. And
in everything that they do, I mean, you can use
whatever fable you want. They don't realize that they're tearing
their does does nobody is not proper English? Does anybody
that's in these negotiations? Do they have a TV? Are
they on social media? Are they aware of what's going
on in the world. I mean I wonder that sometimes Dan, Yeah,

(01:33:20):
and I think that the dude. I think that the
Players Association does as well, and they also understand that
their role that they're the ones who get the flak
because they're the ones that we see every day. They're
the ones that we follow, They're the ones that we
know that their salaries and we know what these guys make,
and we do know by the way, we do know
that Major League Baseball owners in the past couple of
off seasons have really really trying to tighten the purse

(01:33:44):
strings on salaries. I mean, that's why you know guys
stayed free agents for so long when Manny Machado and
Bryce Harper couldn't find a home because nobody wanted to
pay anybody. J D. Martinez is free agency took forever
and ended up probably not being as as fruitful as
he would have hoped. So we do know that that
the owners are tightening up. But when it comes down

(01:34:04):
to it, we see the players, we know the players,
we watched the players, but we also put blame on
the players. And I think that's the tricky part of
it is, no matter what happens, if there's no baseball season,
we end up putting the blame on the players, just
because I think that they're the ones that we connect
to the most. Do you think, though, and I was,
I was really intrigued when the numbers came out of

(01:34:25):
what the proposals look like for what they would get paid.
Do you think that maybe that did turn public opinion
a little bit more towards the owners or do people
still think, oh, they're making millions, get out there and play,
go do it. Because that to me opened my eyes
a little bit on this and kind of turned me
maybe more on the players side. But I don't know
if if people I don't want to say that you

(01:34:47):
don't research, but I don't know if they dive in
deep enough just to see the kind of hicky the
major League baseball players are going to take. I don't
know if that worked as well on others as it
did on me, because that was very impactful when you
saw just how little some of these guys were going
to get during this season and the inherent risk that
they're taking. I think that there are I mean, there
are pay cuts in pretty much every business, and I

(01:35:09):
there and there are you know, and there are layoffs
and in so many businesses. The the issue I don't think.
I don't think anybody you know, would assume that a
baseball player would take a full salary for playing after season.
I think that that was understood that you're gonna have
pro rated salaries for how many games that you play.
But then when you put on top of that the

(01:35:31):
salary cuts that the owners wanted to implement, when you're saying,
wait a second, here, you guys are the ones with
the purse strings that have the ability. I mean, when
the minor leaguers were getting cut, the point that it
was being made was we're not talking about millions of
dollars being saved here, We're just talking about thousands of dollars.

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And if you're owning a major league baseball team, if
you're owning a professional sports franchise in the United States
of America, you should be able to have the ability
to accept that loss. And I and and to me,
cutting a bunch of minor leaguers to say, thousands upon
dollars is a worse look ten times worse than a

(01:36:15):
player not wanting to take an additional salary cut from
there already pro rated salaries. And I and I think
and and that's my opinion. And I don't know if
if the common person sees that, but I think that
the common person can understand, Okay, pro rated, you can
do that, but now you're trying to do this on
top of that. I think if anybody was an our
job and you end up taking a pay cut, and

(01:36:37):
then the boss comes back to your office and says,
we also need you to cut down your hours and
we're not going to pay you as much, and you're saying,
but you're still you know you can handle this. I
think if any of us put ourselves in those shoes,
we would be sympathetic to at least what the players
are dealing with. I've been a big Jeff Passing fan
during this whole scenario, even though sometimes he uses words

(01:36:59):
that I need to google to find out what they mean.
Oh gosh, yes, well, okay, that that is a big
time black eye from that perspective. So he drops down
the depth chart quite a bit on that front. But
what he did say in his column last night, kind
of going through this, was Baseball generates around ten billion

(01:37:23):
dollars in revenue, right, which is a pretty big number.
But their battle right now for a ten billion dollar
company is a fight over a few hundred million dollars.
But I think Dan, you hit on something earlier as
we talked about the battle and trying to bring baseball
back that needs to be key. This isn't just about
right now. I think this has been building and brewing

(01:37:45):
for the last couple of years, with the timing of
free agency and guys not getting deals. It's almost as if,
and listen, I'm not here to make baseless claims, but
I'll throw this off the wall and see if it sticks.
It's almost as if they're using this pandemic to try
to tighten those first rings even more because they've been
wanting to for a while, right. And that's really unfair

(01:38:07):
of me to say, but I must say it anyway,
because that's the only thing I can come up with.
It makes zero sense right now why you wouldn't have
two sides. I mean, the NBA and everything that hasn't
really been talked about. I haven't heard a fight over finances.
I haven't heard a fight over finances for the NHL.
There's been nothing fighting financially as far as NASCAR, though,
I'm the only one that cares or go off. I mean,

(01:38:28):
there hasn't been baseball and maybe it's because of the
way that it's been publicized and how much the players
have put out there. DAN baseball is a sport to
where this seems to be more about dollars and cents
than anything else. And that's that just appears to me
as the owners using this opportunity to try to squeeze
a little bit more than they've been able to and
that they were wanting to anyway. Yeah, if the collusion

(01:38:50):
of a couple of years ago, which was they were
accused of, doesn't work, then maybe you do the COVID
nineteen route and try to use that to try to
reel in some of these salaries. I Mean, the funny
thing is, I think we all thought that baseball salaries
were kind of absurd anyway, And you know, isn't the
joke like, gosh, if your kids left handed, make him
a rude leaf pitcher. You know, you'll play in the
league for you know how many years and have a career.

(01:39:12):
But when you're when when you you know, look at
the amount of money. For years back, we would always
make a joke about it. But now when you come
to this point about where the owners are being sticklers
and have been for the last couple of years, I
just I find it difficult to have any sympathy for
them because it seems like they're trying to get one
over on the players. And you know, you and I
differ as well on the fans and and how things are.

(01:39:35):
I just I think that the landscape and how we
consume baseball and how we watch baseball is different than
it was in the mid nineties when the strike came,
and so that's why I just don't I know, like
having his sport go nine months, um, you know, of
being away is is something that would be tough to
take for baseball fans. But I would also say that

(01:39:58):
they're baseball fans, so they are going to come back,
and you know, attendance maybe has gone down from the
last ten or twelve years overall attendance. But I would
also think that some of that is with teams just
throwing in the towel and being like, we're not going
to compete, We're gonna tear this thing down, and then
we're gonna build back up. So maybe for some of
those leaner years you aren't getting certain numbers. But I

(01:40:20):
do think that I don't think you're gonna see as
much of a drop and as much of a of
a gash that you saw in coming back then you
would if they have a work stoppage and then have
to wait until next spring to reason. I would say
this much, you've educated me on it, more than I
ever could have imagined over the last two days. And
this isn't a hill that I'm ready to die on
quite yet. This isn't hey, we should still use two

(01:40:41):
spaces after a period when we're writing a story kind
of hill and I'm ready to die on. But it
is intriguing to me to see exactly what that reaction
would be if they don't get back, and if it's
viewed as over money, because I've I've said this, if
they say, hey, we want to make sure we can
do it with fans in this stands. We want to
get back where we can safely do it for the players,

(01:41:03):
even if the NBA and other sports come back. If
if baseball is able to to say we're gonna wait
until we can get fans in the stands, I think
that's one thing. But if they're unable to come to
an agreement from a financial perspective, I think that's more
detrimental than any of us could fathom for this sport.
But again, Dan, it's not a hill I'm ready to
die on yet just slowly climbing up at right. You know,
I've used the example and I thought more about it.

(01:41:25):
I've used the example of college basketball. I actually think
it's the old well I think we view baseball. We
used how we used to view college football, and I
really think that before the playoff came in, it was
a much more regional you know, event you and I
like your college football absolutely, but honestly, every single Monday
after a college football weekend, we're talking NFL and you're

(01:41:45):
talking NFL on Tuesday, and you're talking NFL on Wednesday,
and then on Friday, guess what, let's make our picks
for we get the NFL. I mean like, like, so
we get lost, and then now obviously you have the playoff,
and you have Oklahoma and and Clemson in Alabama, Ohio
State and in these schools all and now you're wondering
what's happening in other conferences. It's made it a much
more of a conversation. And and I think that baseball

(01:42:09):
is kind of real back for that where it's not
as much national but regionally. When your team wins and
you're doing well, you're gonna be making some hay and
and and as long as you want to compete, as
long as teams aren't throwing in the towel. Even though
fan attendance has dropped ten straight years overall attendance, I
think some of that is with competition. But I don't
think baseball will be as scarred as some people think.
He's Chris Plank. I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug

(01:42:31):
Gottlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Get Plank on
Twitter at Plank Show. I'm at Dan Buyer on Fox.
It's been quite a week for the NFL. And one
Drew Brees, how does he recover? We answer that question
next year. On Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch
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(01:42:52):
three pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. He's Chris Plank. I'm Dan Buyer.
This is the Doug Otlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Just a quick update with so many statements being put
out there in the in the world, uh statement, a
lot of a lot of statements. Michael Jordan, the Jordan

(01:43:13):
Brand just put one out announcing today that they will
be donating one million dollars over the next ten years
to organizations dedicated to ensuring racial equality, social justice, and
greater access to education. Part of a statement today released
by the Jordan Brand. So that put out one hundred

(01:43:34):
million dollar donation, uh, covering ten years. But uh, yes,
that that news coming out, so just uh an amazing
gesture in the movements that we are seeing. That NFL
players video that was organized by Michael Thomas. Yeah, and
and uh with so many NFL players you know, asking
the NFL too as well to to come out. I

(01:43:55):
mean we've heard, you know, the former VP of communications
for the NFL. By the way, the Alan Kaepernick not
returning to the NFL. I never understood why people would
think that it wasn't because of the kneeling situation, Because
even Chris, even if you didn't think that he could
throw the football or that maybe you know, he had

(01:44:16):
lost a step in speed, it's still didn't exclude him
from getting a chance to try out for one of
five jobs that you would have per team in a
training camp if a team brings in, you know, two
to three quarterbacks. And I always felt that teams were
trying to weigh the risk of it, and it's it was.

(01:44:37):
The weighing of the risk was similar to I think
when you look at ray Rice in the Kareem Hunt situation,
Ray Rice was later on in his career, the amount
of risk that it would you know, a team would
take on to bring on a player after what he
um did was not worth it two NFL teams. For

(01:44:58):
some reason, NFL teams fell that the risk was worth
it for a younger running back like Kareem Hunt to
bring him back in in his situation. I think with
the with the Colin Kaepernick situation, it was the same
thing that teams just they knew it would be obviously
extremely volatile at that time, they didn't want to take
the risk, no matter how good or bad he thought,

(01:45:19):
and that all was because of the kneeling. And you know,
I know John Middlecloth is coming up here in a bit,
but I was listening to his three podcast and preparing
for the show today. It's one of the best football
podcast maybe ever, and he's he hit a round in
the head. He said, listen to the guy was blackball? Period?
In the discussion, he goes the reality of it was
is it her TV ratings at the time. If you
want to believe that or not, you're you're wrong if

(01:45:39):
you don't believe it. That's not to say we don't
agree with with what he did. It's just the reality
of it. And it's wild to think that he never
got another opportunity. Dan. There's only one reason why he didn't.
It's because they weren't going to welcome in that mindset.
And unfortunately, because he's open and did open a lot
of our eyes and we're seeing the results of it today.
So I still can't fathom that Mike Glennon's on an

(01:46:01):
NFL roster and Colin Kaepernick is And how about how
about that take? Who was that yesterday? Dropped that on
social media, goes wait, go out. We get Mike Glennon
when Kaepernick is out there, and I'm thinking to myself,
poor Mike Glennen's just at home scrolling through Twitter and
gets that piano dropsy. He's got enough bad luck. I mean,
he's the guy. He replaces Russell Wilson, and he gets
brought into me the starter in Chicago, and they draft

(01:46:22):
for Bisky. So then he's automatically the backup. And what
did Mike Lennon end up doing? Too money to anybody?
Former NFL Scott. He's the host of the three and
L podcast on the Herd podcast Network. You can find
him on Twitter at John Middlecoff. John Middlecoff joins us
here on the Doug gottleiap Show on Fox Sports Radio. Hey,
it's planking me, John Dan Buyer. Good to have you.

(01:46:42):
Good to talk to you again. Middlecoff. How are you? Hey?
What's going on? Phillis? I'm doing good. Let's uh, you know.
Plank referenced your your podcast on the topic. Talking about
Drew Brees. We saw not only the written apology on Instagram,
but also then took to the video apology. What are
the obstacles now that Drew Brees, do you do you
believe are there any obstacles uh, following these two apologies

(01:47:05):
that he made that he's gonna have to face once
football ends up resuming later on this summer. Yeah, I
think there's a big difference between what goes on right
now because everyone's you know, kind of stuck wherever they're at.
Everything's on social media and the relationship that a guy
like Drew Brees has with actual people, you know, like

(01:47:27):
Michael Thomas can tweet one thing and he immediately he
knows Drew Brees, Alvin Kamara, Cam Jordan's, these guys have
spent years with Drew Brees. The offensive guys spend every
day with the human right, so they know him. And
I'm not saying what he said like and even like
you gotta have a feel for the room. It was
done moronic And at this point in time, it's clear

(01:47:50):
now there is the argument like you live in a
bubble if you don't think a lot of people think that. Now.
I don't care personally, Uh, clearly, Drew, he can say
whatever he on to It definitely bothers them. But you know,
I also think that when you when you're in a
locker room with the player, especially a guy like Drew
Brees has been the league forever, but who's been on

(01:48:10):
this same team. So every guy on this team, every
year they've been on the team, they've been Withdrew. They
know him. So that's why I I struggle with Twitter
right now, especially in Drew Brees situation. I had people
texting me and clearly it was being talked about, like,
well you have to retire, Well NBC fire him. It's like, guys,
just everyone just needs to take a deep breath, you know,

(01:48:33):
the coronas making everyone lose their mind, like, yeah, he
said a moronic thing. He's going to be the quarterback
for the New Orleans Saints, and clearly once seven apologies
later from Drew video writing Instagram, Twitter, I think it'll
all die down a little bit. I think there's one
thing John that we realize. He's very sorry. He's made
that very clear. Hey, I was fascinated by something and

(01:48:56):
it's got my mind rolling all day long in your
middlecloth mail bag, and I don't want to give up
anything here, but someone brought up and asked you about
the idea of the Cowboys re sending the franchise tag
from Prescott, signing cam Newton and rolling with it, and
I'm thinking to myself, Yeah, Corona is really getting people's
minds working in a crazy way. But then I thought, well,

(01:49:18):
it's not like he's going back to an offense that
he's no and it's a new offense with a new
head coach. So is that is as crazy as it
sounded to to me at first in your mind? Yeah,
I would say if McCarthy had all the juice, everything
would be on the table. I mean, there would be
no guarantee that he was, you know, head over heels
or smitten for Dac. But one thing with the Cowboys,

(01:49:39):
Jerry's the boss, and it's just was I've talked about
that several times about could they re send the tag?
Where would Dak get any offer substantial to the numbers
that we've been talking about. He just wouldn't. It wouldn't
exist one of the caps and money's not there anymore.
But because of Jerry Jones, I I just I don't
know what you guys, I just don't think it's an option.

(01:50:01):
I I think it would be like if if you
were really going back and forth over this money as
they should be because he's not thirty million dollar quarterback.
You go, you'd resend the tag and they listen, Dack,
here's our offer. You know, five years, a hundred million
will guarantee eight the top back or you know, whatever
the numbers are. And he just wouldn't be He couldn't,

(01:50:23):
it wouldn't be taught. But you know, is that the
way to do business? Is that the way Jerry's gonna
do business. No, So it's just kind of a pointless conversation.
John Middlcoff turning us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. He's Chris Plank. I'm Dan Buyer.
Colin kind of brought up this point earlier this week
on on his show, and I think it's interesting because
you know, we're just talking about the Saints. And I'm

(01:50:44):
not the one who said it, but many have said it.
This is maybe one of the deepest rosters in New
Orleans that we've we've ever seen in maybe in the
National Football League of of just a team being built.
Where does Dallas rank roster wise in the NFC? Like
if you had to take you know what I mean? Yeah,
I mean I think they're top five six, you know.

(01:51:05):
I mean they got premium players at several positions. Zeke's
a stud, their offensive line still solid. De Marcus Lawrence
is an excellent pass rusher. Now they lost Byron Jones.
Assuming Vanderesh's next okay, which is a big if. But
I think he said this offseason that James later that
it's gonna be okay, and him and Jalen Smith are
really good. You got a Mari gallup and then you

(01:51:26):
get Ceedee lamb. You got McCarthy that I know everyone
after this last year and a half of Green Bay
buried him, but his resume is pretty darn good. Uh yeah,
they should be pretty good. You'd say, top to bottom.
There might be better roster than the Eagles. Now, the
Eagles might have a couple more like premium players, definitely,
the coach has proven more lately. But I think they're

(01:51:48):
right there those two teams. I mean, it wouldn't shock
me at all if we were having normal times Corona
didn't exist, and we had offseason and they could, you know,
kind of implement everything. If you told me Dallas wins
eleven twelve games, I could easily see it. Uh So, yeah,
I mean I I would say the Niners. What's weird
about Seattle is like they always win, but their roster

(01:52:11):
is not as good as like the Niners the same
I think. I think Minnesota the last several years has
been one of the better rosters in the NFC. You know,
they have a lot of turnover, a lot to be
you know, to me, a lot of unknown with them.
I actually think the Bears roster, I mean they went
eight and eight last year with Tbsky was terrible, so
that their rosters actually pretty solid. Um. Yeah, and you

(01:52:34):
go the South. You know, Tampa is still a pretty
big question mark. They do have some elite players. But
I I think the Saints in the Niners from a
roster standpoint, are the two best in the NFC. And
then it's probably three or four teams. I'd say Dallas
would be right there. Hey, John, final thought and let's
get out of here. John Middlecloff in the House three
and Out podcast. It is so fascinating to me to

(01:52:54):
see when we have time, how we'll start debating crazy
things like cold Jimmy g in San Francisco, and we're
gonna talk about it a little bit later on. Even
though there were rumors of flirtations with Tom Brady, is
is seeing for the long haul in San Francisco? Do
you feel like he's the guy that's I mean, he
got into the super Bowl last year, but get him
over the hump and give Kyle his ring. I think
the Tom decision was pretty easy just his age. If

(01:53:16):
Tom had been thirty seven, I think it might have
been a different conversation. You know, But I think given
his age and Jimmy is basically on a year to
year contract and he doesn't relative to most guys, he
makes like twenty two million dollars, he doesn't make that
much money for a guy that you can clearly win
pretty big with. I think that they are. I wouldn't

(01:53:38):
say this is a make or break year because Jimmy
just wasn't starting quarterback for a team that went to
the super Bowl. But they are definitely gonna look for
him to improve and if he can make you know,
he doesn't need to make a dramatic improvement. If he
can just cut down on the turnovers and just be
feel a little bit more reliable in a playoff game,
then I think, yeah, he'll be. Because he's on such
a team friendly deal and they're in control. And the

(01:54:00):
other thing, how do they upgrade right? Who? Who? Who
are they getting? You know, like jamis if he ever like,
Kyle's not gonna want that. I just there are options,
and they're always winning, you know, nine ten eleven games.
Now they're not gonna be drafting high enough. I think
Kyle is very comfortable with Jimmy Garoppolo right now. He's
a former NFL Scout, host of The Three and Our

(01:54:21):
podcast on the Herd Podcast Network. He's John Middlecoff. You know,
we gotta figure out the way to tee it up sometime,
I don't know, maybe meet somewhere in the middle of
California or do something like that. But now the things
are opening up. You know, I gotta figure out a
way to hit the links. I'm actually I'm headed out
in about an hour and a half. I played, uh.
I played Harding Park where they had the PGA Championship
in about a month and a half earlier this week,

(01:54:41):
and it was let's just say it was not easy.
They got the rough about fifteen inches long and the
fairways are tight, and it's it was a challenge. You mean,
there's no new course record there, no you go in
the rough. You're you're getting a double bogie easy, amazing.
Appreciate it, John of a good weekend, see if fellows. Thanks.
It is time to put John Ramos to the test.

(01:55:03):
Are you ready? Plank? I'm ready, John Ramos? Are you
ready for this? Ready? Yes? Jon Ramos are technical producer.
Are you ready to play? Sooner or later? All right?
There it is? That sounds a song? Sound familiar, Chris Plank?
There it is John Ramos. Your quest today is to

(01:55:26):
decipher if the names that we give you our actual
athletes that have donned in Oklahoma Sooners uniform. Are you
ready to play sooner or later? I am canna ask
a question? Is it all sports? Football? Well, it's football
and football and basketball base Thank you, don't worry. We
won't go to cross country. We will do that to you.

(01:55:51):
Of course. You can see Chris Plank either on the
football sidelines, maybe in a in a broadcast booth calling
a softball game. What other sports do you do? Plank?
All of them? You name them, I do them. That's
what it's all about. All right, So we will Chris
and I will alternate, uh, sooner names or they may
not be sooner games? And John, you just have to

(01:56:11):
say sooner or later. Okay. So if it is, if
you think it is in Oklahoma, sooner, you'll say sooner.
If it's not, you're like a later dude. You know,
get out of here. You don't belong here. Okay, alright, Plank,
I will give you the honor because this is uh,
this is your Yeah, this is your school. I like it. Okay,
how about we go with Troy Aikman, I'll say sooner alright.

(01:56:41):
Started his career as an Oklahoma Sooner, broke his leg,
which forced Barry Switzer to do what run the wishbone.
They won a national championship. I think things ended up
going well for Troy when he transferred. I'll have to
google that up. But the pride of Henrietta, Henrietta hen
Troy Aikman, Yes, was a Sooner. John. What about Trey

(01:57:02):
Old Trey old, not Trev Albert Tray, I'll say, I'll
say later, good job. We're looking for Trey young young,
not old young. John Ramos is two for two, so

(01:57:22):
far in sooner or later? All right? You ready? Here
we go? Yeah? I always ready. George Buster Rhymes, I'm
gonna say the Buster Rhymes party throws me off. I'm
gonna say later, Oh, no, sooner. It took me a

(01:57:44):
while because whenever I first came to Oklahoma in the
early nineties, I was a big Buster fan. This would
be Buster ended up as a fourth round pick in
nine five after a storied career as a running back
with Oklahoma wide receiver. Excuse me with Oklahoma? Alright, John,
your two for three not getting the Buster rhymes one?
What about Beverly Hills Brown? Oh Man, Beverly Hills Brown.

(01:58:12):
I'm gonna say he was later, That is correct, Ye,
Hollywood Brown, Marquise Brown wide receiver for the Ravens is
kind of where that originated. I was wondering where you
got that. By the way, it was going to be
it was going to be North Hollywood Brown, but not
as many people would get that lesson were from southern California.

(01:58:34):
So I figured Beverly Hills was a way to make
it work. Anyway, it worked for John Ramos. He's three
or four so far and sooner or later Plank which,
by the way, Hollywood Brown Ravens fans, not Hollywood California,
Hollywood Florida. All right, all right, how about this one,
Blake Griffin. I believe he's a Sooner. That is correct,

(01:59:00):
not just a Sooner. Grew up in Oklahoma, Oklahoma City
with his twin brother Blake Griffin. Absolutely a Sooner. Lags
four for five, John, Let's see if you could go
five for six. Roy Williams, I'd say later. Oh, he

(01:59:21):
was a Sooner. He was a Sooner. Not to be
confused with the Texas wide receiver Roy Williams, but Superman
stripped the football from Chris Sims led to the win.
Former Dallas cowboy Roy Williams. Sorry I got also also
not to be confused with the North Carolina basketball coach
Roy Williams. Either seventy year old, he didn't play for Oklahoma. Uh,

(01:59:48):
let's see, we got time for one more here from Okay.
Let's go with Josh Hypel. Josh hy currently a head
coach in college. Josh people, I'm gonna say later fans
right now. John's expertise is Mountain West Conference speak. Again.

(02:00:14):
So yeah, So unfortunately that was incorrect. Uh, the third
one incorrect for John Ramos. Let's see if you can
finish out on a high note, John, Joe Shride Vogel,
can you spell it? I'm gonna say later. That's gotta

(02:00:35):
be a later. That's that's correct. That's Joe Exotic who
is in jail, who won't see him sooner out roaming
the streets there it is. John finished above five hundred
with that, John, you get to play in the Alamo Bowl.

(02:00:55):
Wonderful there is that? Do they still have alimable partnership? Yeah? Absolutely?
Actually John went I think I think he went like
five and three. So you're gonna go to the Texas
Bowl instead, unfort You'll get to play in Houston instead
of San Antonio. There it was sooner or later With
John Ramos, He's Chris Plank. I'm Dan Buyer. This is

(02:01:17):
the Doug Gotlap Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Find
me on Twitter at Dan Buyer. On Fox you can
find Chris on Twitter at Plank Show. And you can
find John Ramos at j. S. Ramo Serial six. John
also will be launching a brand new venture. Will let
him tell you about next hour Coming up next, Doug
gott leaves not buying into the hype of one NFL

(02:01:38):
star quarterback. Find out who that is next on Fox
Sports Radio. Be sure to catch the live edition of
the Doug Gott Leap Show week days at three pm
Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. He's Chris Plank. I'm Dan Buyer sitting
in for Doug today. Doug was a little busy Earlier
today he was sitting in for Colin Coward on the

(02:01:59):
Herd of Fox Sports Radio and Fox Sports Wanted. And
we now get to hear from Doug in a segment
we like to call alright, Flank bucko up. Here's Doug's
take on one Jimmy Garoppolo. I believe you could be
pretty happy with Jimmy Garoppolo. I think you can win
with Jimmy Garoppolo. My my big hang up on Garoppolo

(02:02:20):
is when he missed Emmanuel Sanders. He missed so badly
and missed long and it could have won you the
Super Bowl. It's one thing to miss, but he missed
so badly, and when push comes to Chevy just doesn't
have it. Not everybody has it. So you can tell
me that, Hey, Jimmy Garoppolo has got a chance to
be one of the best of all time? Is that

(02:02:42):
why you let him throw eight times in the NFC
Championship Game. Look, if they really thought he had a
chance to be one of the greats of all time
on first and second down with the full boated time
outs at the end of the first half, wouldn't you
have let him throw the football if he could be
one of the greats of all time and you're play
against the Chiefs defense that it's not like the Bears. Okay,

(02:03:04):
you wouldn't let him throw the football. Your your actions
tell us that you're not really sure what Jimmy, Jimmy
Garoppolo has beneath the hood that was Doug earlier today
here on Fox Sports Radio and Fox Sports One. Now,
I just I look at the quarterback position different than
I think many people do in the National Football League. Chris, So,

(02:03:25):
I kind of want to give the floor to you
because I don't want to divert the conversation way off
in in never ever Land with with how I view quarterbacks.
But is there any validity anything that you believe that
Doug said was correct or that you agree with or
even disagree. Well, first of all, I don't see people
trying to say he's the greatest ever. I still show

(02:03:47):
me that. And then secondly, why would you hold it
against him that he threw eight passes in the NFC
Championship game when they ran four checks the note two
hundred and eighty five yards. Why would you suddenly stop
running raight? He moster just to try to satisfy those
who know that Jimmy Garoppolo can throw a football. They

(02:04:08):
were up twenty seven to zero at halftime against Aaron Rodgers,
So if you're gonna hold that against him, I think
that's a baseless argument. And then secondly, just real quick
on it. We're gonna hold one passage. Sure it was
a big moment, but it was one pass in a game.
I thought He's pretty damn good in the Super Bowl.
So I'm not here trying to tell you Jimmy Garoppolo
is a Hall of Famer. But in Kyle Shanahan's system

(02:04:30):
and what he wants to do, and the Niners with
the roster they have, in the talent they have, i's
pretty damn good. Who are they gonna go get Cam Newton? Hey,
Gavin Que the video cut up you did of Cam
Newton when Charger fans were trying to get him in
Los Angeles? Right, I mean, people forget how atrocious he
was near the end of the season. What you're gonna
be happier with Andy Dalton. I just I don't get

(02:04:50):
the Jimmy g hate. And if you point to the
NFC Championship game, you also have to add in there
that they ran the ball really well. So I'm not
the biggest fan in the world, but I think he
it's and he works since in San Francisco and Dan,
I actually think you and I feel the same way
about the quarterback position. To be honest with you, I
look at the quarterback position as first of all, it

(02:05:10):
should be one of the last positions on a team
that you feel. And remember the forty Niners had a
double digit lead on the Kansas City Chiefs in Super
Bowl fifty four at the six minute mark of the game.
If you stop Tyreek Hill from his forty five yard
catch on a on a busted play, if you make
that stop, maybe it's a different Maybe it's a different outcome.

(02:05:32):
And Jimmy Garoppolo has his ring. I I I agree
with you. You can't put it all on one pass.
And I just believe that we are putting so much
on the quarterback position when in reality, Jimmy Garoppolo was
a part of a process that got them there, and
I don't think you can put it all on his
shoulders that you would need a change of that position. Yeah,

(02:05:54):
I'm just not sold. And whether it be paying quarterbacks
or or how you build your team, I just don't
think that it makes uh. I think that we put
way too much emphasis on the quarterback position and we
obsess over it way too much. He's Chris playing. I'm
Dan Buyer. This is The Doug Gottlieb Show. A big
blow to one college hoops team. We talked about it

(02:06:14):
next on Fox. Be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter
noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app Glenn to have you with us. Others Friday,
we take these final sixty minutes of the week to
hit a bunch of places. We'll go to college football.
We've got some stuff from the National Football League, and

(02:06:35):
one of the big stories in the world of sports
today comes in the world of college basketball. On the
heels of that FBI investigation, the n c double A
now having their say on what happened with the Oklahoma
State men's basketball program, placing them on three years probation
banning the hoops team for playing in post seasons in
the postseason tournaments next season. This all from former associate

(02:06:58):
head coach Lamont Evans. He was part of that FBI sting,
sentenced to three months in prison for accepting anywhere between
eighteen grand and twenty two grand and bribes to steer
players to Oklahoma State and South Carolina when he was there.
But Oklahoma State ends up getting um much more than
a slap on the wrist from the n C Double
A today, Chris Blank and UH, a bit surprising considering

(02:07:20):
how things have played out with this FBI investigation and
now Oklahoma State, who seemingly seemed to cooperate, now the
ones uh really paying the price for it, the n
C Double A. And I know Jeff Goodman's coming up
here in a bit, and he's really dialed in on
these topics in these situations. But d n C Double
A is almost sending a message that it's better to

(02:07:44):
not cooperate than it is to cooperate, because it's almost
as if you're doing the work for them and you're
handing over things from your internal investigation and then they're
dropping the ham if you don't cooperate. I ei Kansas
is doing right now. I mean Kansas is taking a
hard stance and saying no, we don't agree with you.
And Oklahoma State, unfortunately, going after the fact now having
to fight against these just penalties that have been levied

(02:08:07):
against them, they're almost sending a message that it's better
to not cooperate. And I don't understand how that's going
to help anyone in the future, especially those that want
to see this sport run the right way. Not to
have Jeff Goodman answer that question, the long time basketball
analyst joins us now you can find them on Twitter
at Goodman Hoops, is that the message the n C
Double A is sending Jeff that it's maybe better to
not cooperate than it is to cooperate. Well, they said

(02:08:30):
today that Oklahoma State actually could have gotten a two
year post season banned if they if they hadn't cooperated.
But listen to the big thing that I think, uh
we're all trying to figure out now is Oklahoma State
got hit with this through the old system, which is
through the Committee of Infractions. There is a new system

(02:08:51):
in place, which is an independent Accountability Resolution Process i
A RP. Whatever the hell you want to call it,
body and to the blay that's going into effect now
an NC State is probably gonna be the first one
to test it. And it's it's again just kind of
like it sounds. It's independent people outside of the n

(02:09:12):
C double A that are going to be the judge
and jury, which makes sense. That's why it always should
have been. So what I don't understand, I tweeted this earlier,
is why the hell all these schools that are embroiled
in the federal investigation shouldn't they all have gone through
this new process? Now I know what Oklahoma State didn't do,
and this is why they got hit with it so

(02:09:33):
early here because they didn't appeal. All these other schools
have appealed, which is gonna drag this thing out and
take months, so Kansas may not get its punishment. Uh
and until the season starts. Who knows Oklahoma State didn't
appeal it. Maybe that's why I went through the old process.
But to me, again, like this isn't that hard to figure. Guys,

(02:09:54):
everybody that was in the federal investigation that that's now
going through the int double A process, shouldn't they all
have had to go through this new process that they
they're obviously claiming is better, and we all think it
looks better because it's a bunch of independent people rather
than presidents A d s or whoever that are involved
in the n C double and obviously have something to

(02:10:16):
gain here. Now is is this? Is there any recourse?
Can anything change? I mean with this? Can they appeal
to this, to this new board or what options does
Oklahoma State have? Yeah, they're they're gonna appeal. But if
I was them, right, I would wait and see what
happens to NC State. Okay, because NC States their case
was a little bit different, but it obviously involves former

(02:10:39):
head coach Mark Godfrey who's now Kelly Kelly State Northridge
and UH and one of his assistants and paying money
to the family of Dennis Smith. Um. So I think
what what I would do is see how that plays out,
and if Ancy State doesn't get a one year pro
season bad, I'd sue him. I'd sue him and say,

(02:11:00):
why wouldn't we have got through the same independent process.
It's not logical, people, It's just not. But again, for
the NC double, a is logical. Jeff Goodman joining us
here on the Doug gott leaves show here on Fox
Sports Radio. No Doug today, So you got me, Dan
Buyer and Chris Plank. You know, Jeff, don't tell Doug that. Hey,

(02:11:20):
So Jeff, I cover the Big twelve. It's it's my beat. Obviously,
I'm here in Norman, Oklahoma. And maybe the story that
not a lot of people realize is how good Oklahoma
State had the potential to be. And it starts with
Kade Cunningham. So obviously they want to fight to keep
him there. You had just talked to him right before
this decision came down. What do you think his head
is right now that you don't even understand? I legitimately

(02:11:42):
tweeted like at the time, I just forgot that the
I thought it was gonna be one o'clock that they
were coming out. I forgot that time, you know, time zone,
Central time, whatever. So I had literally tweeted out. I
talked to Kate two days ago and we talked about
a bunch of different things, but one of which was
what's going on the country. Um, and he's just super

(02:12:03):
bright and articulate and everything about that kid is like
a plus. And and he talked about obviously what was
going on and how he felt, how he could and
I hit the button on it, and then I deleted
it after the information came out with a one year
post season banished. All right, let me wait a couple
I'll wait a couple of hours. I'll put it out
in a few hours. So but yeah, it's gonna be huge.

(02:12:24):
I mean, listen, kay cutting him to me is the
best freshman on the planet, like bar Nne, like bar None.
He is elite. He is a six seven everything kind
of point guard six seven to twenty who makes people better.
He can score, he's tough, he's a winner, he's a leader,
He's got every intangible um. He would have changed this

(02:12:46):
Oklahoma State program. And and now, according to my sources,
obviously the family is gonna huddle up here and try
to figure out what He went to Oklahoma State partially
because his older brother Cannon is a is an assist
coach Mike Boynton hired him a year ago. Um and
he also turned down more money. From what I'm told,

(02:13:06):
according to my sources, nan Jalen Green got to go
to the G League developmental pathway, so he turned that down. Already,
my gut says he still plays college basketball. But I
bet he plays this somewhere else. I mean again, you
know the other the other part to this that nobody's
mentioned is if you have an opening right now in

(02:13:26):
your staff, in your high major program, why wouldn't you
just offer Cannon cutting him a job with Kate like
I would in two seconds, I don't care. Listen, and
Cannon's are He's got some experience, he's played at U
s MU. Uh, he's been a coach before. Again high integrity. Yeah,
like he might not be have the same accolades or

(02:13:49):
credentials as some other guys that you're looking at, but uh,
those other guys aren't bringing Kate cutting him with him.
That's a great point. And Jeff from Carreys, because there's
so many fans now in the Big twelve, I guess
you could say circle and obviously in Stillwater. Let's say, alright,
what about Kansas, which it seems to be the never
ending kind of plight for Kansas. Where are they in

(02:14:11):
the penalty phase of this appeal? So that's why this
thing is going slower for Kansas. They will be hit
and and I think they'll be hit harder. I do,
But again I say that, and and and people have
asked me this leading up to today, and they said, like, well,
what do you think is gonna happen? All these writers
are saying to two year postseason banned, if not more

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for Kansas, and I'm saying, listen, I'm not gonna speculate
yet until I see how this process plays out for
NC State first. Now, obviously, with Oklahoma State getting hit
with a year post season banned, I didn't expect that.
I really didn't. I thought maybe Mike Boynton would get
a suspension. Um, I thought that gets scholarship everything, but

(02:14:55):
a post season banned. So I'm surprised there, and I
think it would be hard. It would be hard artists.
You've almost said a precedent right now, even though it's
a different way of of of judging, uh, the system,
right you know, again, the independent system is going to
be in place for some of these other schools. I
think you've said a precedent now. And if you hit
Oklahoma State with a one year proceedson band, don't you

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have to hit NC State in Kansas, in USC and
certainly the ones that were involved, right USC, Arizona, Auburn,
those are very similar to the Oklahoma State you know,
because they were all caught taking cash bribes to push
kids to financial guys. Right, so they're all the same.

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So I think if you're Andy Enfield, Sean Miller, who
probably knows he's gonna get hit anyway, or Bruce Pearl today,
you're thinking of yourself like, all right, we have to
prepare for a one year post season that he's the man.
Jeff Goodman in the house. Follow him on Twitter if
you don't at Goodman hoops. And I'll say this just
to wrap it up with that, anybody who watched the
HBO documentary and I sees this, I think is saying

(02:16:02):
what the Because of most everybody that I saw who
and spoke to that watched the piece, that saw Christian
Dawkins and explain what went on and how it went down,
you're just kind of like for this, I I mean,
I just it's it's an even really bad look. I
mean considering because now when it actually gave us an

(02:16:24):
inside look, we don't know all the dirt and the details,
and we probably still don't have actually what went on here.
But even just that documentary, Jeff, I think changed the
way that we looked at the whole investigation and what
went on, and and and to to hear that today,
it's just it's just just an awful look in my
in my opinion, I'll leave you on this. I'll leave

(02:16:45):
you on this. A coach went to jail for this
utterly beyond ridiculous book. Richardson spent three months in jail
for this crap. The Fed should be ashamed themselves for that,
for for taking all that time and putting a behind
bars for for for this. Come on, what do we do?
Oh man, amazing Jeff. We appreciate at the time. And yeah,

(02:17:06):
the the bad luck timing always, you know, just please
nothing happen in two days. Please, nothing happen in two days.
And what do you know? Boom, We appreciate it. Have
a good weekend. Good to talk to you again. Take care.
Jeff Goodman, that Goodman hoops longtime basketball analyst and uh
yeah yeah, good stuff. Yeah. That that documentary that they
did um with uh just it just it revealed everyone's

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own interest and really also then just revealed on I
don't want to say that how kind of a big
deal it wasn't. But now when you see these these
penalties coming out, and you know, to your point, you
get a kid in campus for one year and and
now you're Oklahoma State and you're thinking this could be
the you know, this could be the opportunity, and now
you just don't have that one year. Yeah, I post

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something to you on that documentary because I don't know
if it's goal was to try to make it look worse.
In other words, that the people that put that together
was their hope to kind of bury these teams and
show just how awful this was. Because if it was,
it did the exact opposite. And I guess maybe just
from my perspective, that's where I've always been confused, because

(02:18:16):
going into that, Dan, I kind of thought that the
idea was, we're gonna show you how crooked the n
C double A basketball system truly it is with these coaches,
and you came away, like you said, when you see
this been a leaf Oklahoma State today, where you say
that's it, that's that, that's all it is. So I
was a a little bit blown away by it as well
too for Oklahoma State today. Yeah. Yeah, it was a

(02:18:36):
good watch, and I think that there's I don't know
if there's sympathy for Christian Dawkins, but when you see, um,
you know how he was involved in all of this.
We're really there. You know, if there's no stop in
college hoops, it didn't matter anyway. It was all about
what was happening in high school and then basically what
was going to happen after college, and college ends up
serving like this middleman and all of this, uh, very entertaining.

(02:19:00):
It was one sided. Um but uh, but the very entertaining,
mainly because the FBIND, the n C double A aren't
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(02:19:21):
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(02:19:43):
It is the Doug Gottleib Show. I'm Dan Buyer, He's
Chris Plank As we are in for Doug today. The
National Basketball Players Association has UH weighed in on the
twenty two team proposal. Brian Finley will have that and
more coming up in ten minutes or so. But now
we talk college football. Joining US now staff writer at

(02:20:03):
O and host of The r J. Young Show in
the Great State of Oklahoma. R J. Young joins us
here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, r J. Welcome in
you So is this is this gonna be like just
pure sooner talk for the next ten minutes, guys or
what we start talking recruiting, Watch out, Dan, you better
just make sure because there's some recruiting news going on

(02:20:25):
right now, so you better make sure we stay on
track here because we could. And by the way, r J.
University of Tulsa Communications department should be proud right now,
right very much so. In matter of fact, I wonder
if they maybe you want to show why not? I
don't think we have any today, So yeah, they're they're
more than welcome. You know, they could come on in.

(02:20:45):
R J. Young Joining us, Chris and I talked earlier
in the show, and we'll kind of revisit the conversation
and Chris can give give more of his point. But
it seems like college football as the days go by
seem to it seems to be returning back to maybe
more normalcy. What is the vibe that you're getting and
not only covering Oklahoma but also throughout college football and

(02:21:07):
what we're gonna see this fall. The vibe I'm getting
is that players want to play, coaches want to coach,
nobody wants to look bad. That's where we're at right now.
What are social Mooria is gonna allow for? And when
you have the minority whip for Republicans in Steve Scalise
coming out saying I want to be in the Superdome

(02:21:29):
when Drew Brees takes on Tom Brady. I want to
be a hyper stadium to see Edwards ron lead the
team into a defense of what he calls their national championship.
And you could see how some of this has worked
is right because we have We's Virginia a d and
Shane Lyons, who is a part of this Division one
football Oversight committee saying, look, we want to put in

(02:21:50):
place what we think is about six to eight weeks
of preparation, with four weeks being mandatory. And what I
think is gonna be interesting to see is how many
of the hundred FPS teams no telling about the FDS
needs to division too in Division three that actually can
feel football to a program, and then whether or not

(02:22:11):
their state and local governments are going to allow for
them to function in the way that they would need to,
given that each state has its own guidelines that it's
going through right now. And of course Oklahoma, like Texas,
like Alabama, like states that have large college football following,
are basically making way for college football to get underway,

(02:22:32):
and I don't see that stock in anytime soon. Guys,
r J. Young joining us here on the Doug gott
Leave Show. He's Chris Plank. I'm Dan Buyer, sitting in
for Doug on this Friday. R J. It's kind of
wild to think about how quickly we've been able to
reopen Oklahoma and several other states and they're still phases
to it. But it is kind of wild because Dan's
in l A and they're just now starting to kind
of see things open up. And obviously the same thing

(02:22:55):
in New York. Isn't it kind of wild how regionalized
this has been, where some places are so off domistic,
can feel like it's just a foregone conclusion, while they're
still skepticism in other parts of the country in some
ways of course for us in some ways, but this
is a regional sports, right This sport made something different
in l A than it does in Norman. You have

(02:23:15):
two professional football teams, you have two professional basketball teams,
and the only time it seems to really matter there
is when USC is good, let alone when USC or
u c l A play football. Meanwhile, the pro team,
as you very well know, in the state of Oklahoma
is soon as football and that's what we live, that's
what we breathe. It's part of the identity of this state.

(02:23:38):
Not elect the Oklhoma City thunder here. We put a
lot of our own pride, a lot of our own
constitution into that football team, and it's not playing does
not seem to be on the table for many, it's
just a matter of how are we going to be
able to get this thing done. Meanwhile, in places like
New York, where again they have large professional sports organizations,

(02:23:59):
those things anything to be going pretty much how you
expect still, but with Syracuse or with Army or with
the University of Buffalo, it remains to be seen. I
think that schools that want to play are gonna play
in schools that we're it's not a high priority, perhaps
the going toup. I'm gonna just quick interject here. I
also think where you guys are, there's much less of

(02:24:21):
an opportunity to get COVID nineteen in the Big twelve
because nobody tackles, so you don't know we're getting there
at some point. Sorry, that was just that was me
interjecting a jab to the Big twelve playing could go
ahead and reason. What I will say is, I do
think that you need to put a little bit of
respect on Big twelve defenses. But we'll have our j
back for that fight on another day. With that said,

(02:24:43):
r J now again, oh you inside dot com is
the website. If you're not following r J on Twitter,
you're doing it wrong. You talk to a lot of recruits.
How are they handling things right now? And that you
can't come on campuses. Everything is virtual. Some of these
guys that maybe we're gonna be early on campus can't
because of the of good nineteen pandemic. What are you
hearing from recruits and how they're feeling about this new normal.

(02:25:05):
So when speaking to some of them, and more than that,
speaking to their parents, One, they want to know that
their kids are gonna be taken care of and too.
We're seeing a flurry of commitment. We're seeing it at
a rapid page a factor face and we've ever seen
it in the ranking era, which stayed for about twenty years.
And kids are basically trying to secure a spot. And
I'm seeing kids that are committing to play at places

(02:25:26):
that they last visited. That might have been March, it
might have been December. It's probably the place that they
visited the most. Meet earlier. Today, Clinton and Oklahoma both
picked up commitments. Both of those kids were very familiar
with staff, but they were also very familiar with that
campus and they enjoy going to the campus when they
had an opportunity to visit the campus. You've seen Tennessee

(02:25:48):
get into double digit and and basically get to that
twenty five commitment limit that we kind of sort of
get the budget a little bit by saying two kids, Hey, look,
we only absolutely spots. Do you want one and not
knowing what in person recruiting is gonna look like. Because
it's one thing to say that you could take care
of your eight five scholarship players and the walk ons
that you have. It's another thing entirely to say you

(02:26:10):
could take care of incoming recruits and their families. Because
the way that this works, you're gonna have probably fifty
kiddos on campus or an unofficial official business now multiplayer
that time for when they bring their brother or sister
and their parents. How are you gonna care for those people?
How are you gonna make sure that they're safe? And
knowing that we don't have us an idea when that's

(02:26:32):
gonna happen. With the deadline for the dead period has
extended through July thirty. First, the kids are mostly going well,
I mean, I'm working out at home and I know
I have this offering hand, so I'm gonna commit to display.
And what they're doing is gonna wait and see, right
because if they get to go and do this to
somewhere else where they could trade up, they're probably gonna
do that. So I'm really interested to keep following the

(02:26:54):
story because like everything else, it's unprecedented, and you guys
know better than most. I'm here for the story man. Hey,
r I want to I want to throw one more
question at you, and I'm sorry Dan for hogging the interview.
But for for those who don't know, r J is
probably one of the more talented storytellers on the planet,
which is why I encourage you to follow him at
r J underscore Young on Twitter. Very involved in the community,

(02:27:16):
but r J um we were Tulsa's and I don't
think many people know about the racial tension and the
race riots in Tulsa, you know, hundred years ago. But
you're you're studying it. You're trying to open people's eyes.
You're trying to to really be that voice that we
can listen to. What has this last week been like
for you and what can we do to help institute change.

(02:27:39):
The most encouraging aspect of what I've seen this past
week is how many people are actually willing to listen
to have this conversation or way that quite frankly, years ago,
they would not want to. I wanted to. I I
was a little miss to find out that there are
people in our community that had never heard of the
total race massacre. And I think about it most stay

(02:28:00):
the week because I could have been did Rowan, and
many of the kids that I care for and the
kids that I love could have been did Rowan, And
he is really the kindling for what this became where
we were fighting each other and we were killing each other,
and I don't want that history to get forgotten because
it matters. It shaped us, whether we want to acknowledge

(02:28:23):
it or not. We need to acknowledge it. And what
we're doing right now and listening and hearing these stories
and me giving these experiences and folks like Chris who
would sen to integral to Tom come up in this
space in this business, I feel some measure of hope
there and I get emotional thought about it because you know,

(02:28:44):
I'm thirty too, right Like, I didn't expect to be
having these conversations right now, but we are, and we're
doing it on National sports talk radio, which I love
and makes me so happy because me a black man
who two white guys on the radio about this thing
that directly affect me and affects all the people that

(02:29:07):
they work with and many of the kids that we
really love to play. What is my favorite sports that's
college football? R J Young joining us here on the
Doug Gottlieb Show. He's Chris Plank, I'm Dan Buyer. I'm
gonna wrap up with this question. Is Dabbo Sweeney Is
there going to be any um fallout? Is he invincible?

(02:29:27):
Because you know NFL coaches seem to be on the
same page. We had Frank Reich making in a passion
speech this week. I said the course yesterday, Lincoln Riley
seems to be ahead of everybody in the curve, whether
it comes to COVID nineteen or whether it comes to
the racial injustices in this country. Dabbo Um has has
has been behind the curb curve. Is that going to

(02:29:49):
catch up with him? Do you see recruits others maybe
being like, maybe there's a second thought or haven't we
gotten that far um? With what's going on it with
dab on what's going on at Clemson. When you're talking
about football and you're talking about recruiting, you're talking about
one of the best to ever do it in Dabo
Swing and in these issues right now, it hasn't been

(02:30:12):
a big backlash. A matter of fact, he picked up
a four star wide receiver out of the Florida areas
earlier today, a kid with four four speed. I mean,
and you're talking about being able to build a juggernaut
in a place where I don't think many college football
fans could find on a map. All Right, Climton is
in Clemson, South Carolina, and people still have are done

(02:30:33):
grasping that because Clisson is a new money at the
table here. And yet Dabo has used himself as the
example for what they can do. And I believe that's
the powerful one of itself. And I think him just
having these conversations it's gonna help. I would I would missed.
And then I was a little bit angry at how

(02:30:54):
he choke speak about this. But I talked to the kids.
They seem to know him. They seem to try him,
and the coaches on his staff of black and otherwise
trust him, and they seem to know him. And in
having these conversations, especially around what Davey Perriman admitted to
doing three years ago, the kids are going, we're talking
with him, He's talking with us, He's hearing us out.

(02:31:16):
I think That's what I'm asking for, right because right now,
that's that's what I'm worried about. I want the men
in charge of these young men to have their best
interest in heart and to recognize their fears as real.
And I think Dabo was doing that based on how
the kids are talking with me and talking with others.
If they were very upset, like one in particular was
on Twitter, they would say that. But one of the

(02:31:37):
things that I do need distress here is that the
kids know what their coaches believe. They know better than most.
They worked for these men. They they worked out for
these men. They sell out for these men. If they
didn't trust them, they leave. And that's one of the
other reasons why I think having this full frontal assault
by on part of Evan, Tom Herman, Lincoln, Ryanley, Sam

(02:31:58):
Pittman is gonna help them in recruiting US. But more
than that's going to sprint than their team, and I
think you gotta see that play out on the field.
Very very interesting points. Again, the host of The R J.
Young Show and the Great State OK Gloma staff writer
Oh You twenty four seven get him on Twitter at
r J Underscore Young. R J. Young, we appreciate the time,
and uh yeah, you're welcome back any time. We appreciate it. Chris,

(02:32:19):
I appreciate man, See you, buddy, great conversation there you
both Tulsa, Uh, Tulsas. I'm a little I'm a little
bit older, a little little bit older, is a little
younger than me. I'm a little older than him. But
I just I just want to say this real quick,
because I know we got about Brian Familey coming in.
R J. Young is a guy that might be as

(02:32:41):
talented as anyone in the media. We're gonna be able
to say in five or six years from now, whenever
we're watching him host national shows on TV and being
the voice of a generation, Dan will all to say, hey, man,
remember that time in June when we talked to r J.
Young guys a stud I'm so proud of him. Well,
earlier this week on the Doug Gottlieb Show, we did
we did a bit of a store in one of
the segments. There was rumored at the time it was

(02:33:03):
a rumor. Because it's now it's become official, but there
were reports that now retired linebacker the Panthers Luke Keikley
was looking at different options to maybe do after his
his football career. One of those options was scouting with
the Panthers front office, where he has accepted a job
since we did this segment. The other was broadcasting and

(02:33:26):
and Chris, you are a play by play guy, you're
a studio host guy. You've done it all. This is
how things played out earlier this week on The Doug
Gottlieb Show, where maybe an opportunity of a lifetime was
presented to John Ramos. Maybe he and John Ramos can
team up and be the Panthers preseason you know TV,
you know they have those, uh take the national guys

(02:33:48):
put them in a different market, Like, maybe maybe that
could happen. We've all got our fair share to get
that job, John, John, how would you introduce your TV
broadcast if you were the preseason voice of the Carolina Panthers.
Welcome to Panthers football? All right? There? Your thoughts that
would probably be like would that be week one of

(02:34:09):
the preseason or would that be every one of the
preseason games? All three or fours? That's so that's John Ramoss.
Take Chris, what do you think about John Ramos welcoming
in the audience to Panthers preseason football? How would you
grate his delivery? And I guess choice of words. I

(02:34:31):
would worry a little bit more about the energy Ramos
but that's coming from a guy who had cat you
couldn't tell over the last few days. Might be insane. Okay,
there's a chance from an energy perspective that I am
clinically insane, But everything else about it, I mean, let's go.
I mean, who does these games anyway? Right? Some local
TV guy because their station carries it, or it's one

(02:34:53):
of the national dudes. Like I'm trying to think, Siciliano
does the Rams and Mixon does the Panthers. Not that
we're trying to get mix. Not all does the radio.
So you listen, you'll do the radio. Stick to radio.
There's a reason most of us are on radio. Let
Ramos have his time, alright, minifees up in Seattle calling games,
so they might be out. I think Beth Mowentce calls

(02:35:14):
the Raiders game, though I'm here to help Beth if
you need any help. That's right for a while, That's right.
The day pasted is all the Arizona games. But I
think he does all the radio anyway. So I'm telling
you what, this is a golden opportunity. And and I'll
tell you what new head coach maybe wanting kind of
some new energy. I think it's I think it's a

(02:35:36):
done deal. We need to make this happen. How can
we make this happen? Dan Buyer? I don't know, John,
Maybe let's bring up the spiced up version. Can we?
Can we do that? Welcome to Panthers football? Does that
change anything? Chris Plank, done deal, hired this hired? You
also did this with mask on? Is that correct? I

(02:35:59):
don't remember. I probably did it with the mask on. Yes,
a proper distancing here at Fox Sports. Sounds like you
were chewing the clinics. You did it so like the
Panthers football. Wouldn't you be ready to watch Teddy Bridgewater,
you know, throw dumb passes to Christian McCaffrey. Yeah, then

(02:36:22):
when they go to the second and third quarter, you'd
have Will Greer coming out of the bull. So I'm in.
I'm all for it. I'm all for it. John, you
got another guy in your corner. Thank you. I appreciate that.
And it's obviously pretty easy to think of what you know,
why wouldn't you say that when you welcome people into
Panthers football? What else would you possibly say? Hey, I'm

(02:36:44):
just gonna say it straight up, walcometo Panthers football by
either way, shouldn't this be on a sign outside the stadium,
like above every single gate, you know? Or how about
us the Panthers touch it as they run out of
the tunnel, as it's above their heads through the doorway.

(02:37:07):
You could have that as well. Yeah, it's kind of like,
you know, a Notre Dame sort of thing, right. I
like what we're starting, not just a whole new staff
in place for Kara Carolina, but we're starting a whole
new tradition in mindset here for the Panthers. By the way,
sometimes the easiest things are, you know, the best, right,
there's not too much thought to it. It It just like

(02:37:27):
welcome to that um. That was my cat noise. By
the way, and it should be noted that the analyst
job is open, so there is a spot open. Since
Keith he is gonna do the scouting thing. You can
look at Cam Newton. He's got nothing to do. You know,
why not, John, How would you welcome in Cam Newton

(02:37:47):
if he was your analyst to the preseason broadcast. Let's
welcome in former m v P of your Panthers. Here's
Cam Newton, Cam, welcome to the show. Oh there, it
is perfect, right, Yeah, there it is. Or Welcome to
the game. You know you could have that as well,
all right, John Ramos, I think we are cooking with
gas now. Find him on Twitter at js Ramos zero

(02:38:09):
six or at Voice of Panthers Football. Welcome to Panthers
Football on Twitter. I get Chris Plank on Twitter at
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(02:38:33):
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(02:38:56):
at the anchor desk right now that's about to give
us the news, the one and only Brian like the
press with the latest of what's happening. What's up, Brian?
What is going on? Dan? So, guys, the NBA p
A has approved the twenty two team format to finish
the season. What say you? As this next step has

(02:39:16):
taken place to get the NBA back. I did put
this on Twitter because they are going to limit the
amount of family members with some exceptions. But I joked
that ESPN will have a Lebron James family member draft,
like we joked about the hotels. But on ESPN right
after the jump, you can see what family members Lebron
or the family members of Lebron's taking to Orlando. Uh,

(02:39:38):
don't miss it on Thursday, eight o'clock Eastern time. M hmmmm.
I like it. Kind of a normality today, by the way.
You know what though, all of the different kind of
side things you could have with this, not just I
mean someone did we not have odds earlier as to
the hotels that we could bet on. I mean, come on,
I'm all in. I love everything about it. I mean,

(02:39:59):
I'll be as Lee. We'll see what the schedule looks like.
But I'm in count me as in Brian Finley. I
like it now, Dan, if there was a draft for
E sports up and coming stars, you are going to
be part of that. I've been watching a lot of
your PGA tour stuff and now the NBA, according to
the Athletic, is saying that they are considering guys using

(02:40:20):
NBA two K crowd noise to pump in for broadcast
for the regular season the playoffs. Dan, this is right
in your neighborhood. I think it's I think it's magnificent plank,
you know, big cat on bar stools doing Doug stuff.
And I think they just made it to the National Championship.
I believe that was the case. I did want with
the Masters Masters Week, like tried to play a Master's.

(02:40:41):
No one tuned in, Like absolutely no one cared. There
were maybe a maximum of six people watching me try
to play a Master's on my old PS three. He
gets like fifty thousand people watching, and you know, people
talking about it on the local Loser. No one cared,
of mind. But well, but keep in mind, Dougs has
come along ace in starting an akron, so there weren't

(02:41:02):
a lot of people watching whenever he was battling against
Central Michigan. Maybe you may be given more time, Dan,
Maybe fair enough, fair enough crowd noise from two K game.
It's for the TV viewing experience. I love the fake noise,
the fake piped and noise for the German soccer. I
think it works well. You want to know something funny,
Our Spanish broadcast actually does that. Yeah, they they legit,

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they'll they'll do it whenever they can't get to the
stadium for for instance, they'll broadcast somewhere else. It happens
a lot of times. You probably wouldn't even know it.
So short, long answer to a short, good question, Finley,
I'm in. Let's do it. Let's go alright, Fainly wrap
it up with this UFC fight Island opening July eleven.
According to Dana White, Dan is thinking, how can he
get to that island? Oh? I think Gilligan wins over

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the skipper. I don't know. I just think that he's
got more it's got more stamina to be able to
last through this. Backing out there impressed. That was the press. Alright, Plank.
I don't know if we've solved the world's problems. What
we did have fun the last two days. We'll have
to do it again soon. If you want to find
Chris Plank on Twitter, you can do so at Plank Show. Also,

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you can hear him in the Great City of Oklahoma
City and also on the sidelines of Sooner Broadcast. And
you can hear me with Doug next week we'll talk
to you then. Be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm
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