July 15, 2022 • 41 mins
David Gascon returns to the scene of the crime on the Fifth Hour. Gascon is one of the forefathers who helped launch this podcast, working alongside Ben for over a year in its infancy. He’s a Swiss Army Knife of broadcasters, doing news updates on Fox Sports Radio, various podcasts, play-by-play, and much more. David and Ben reminisce about the early podcast days, talk about Gascon temporarily relocating to the East Coast for a broadcasting opportunity, and other tales from the naked city. You can watch David calls games on ESPN+ or ESPN2 for USL Championship, CONCACAF, and NWSL. Follow David on Twitter @DavidGascon. Follow Danny G Radio on Twitter @DannyGradio, Follow Big Ben on Twitter @BenMaller, and listen to the original "Ben Maller Show," Monday-Friday on 450+ terrestrial Fox Sports Radio affiliates, iHeart stream, and SiriusXM Radio channel 83, 2a-6a ET, 11p-3a PT
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a new weekend is upon us. The All Star Game
in Major League Baseball is next week. So exciting, so exciting,
I know. And I want to thank you for a
couple of things now. The podcast reviews if continue to
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should say and you say, hey, I think it would
be really nice to have the President of the United
States on or why do you see if Lebron James
will do the podcast, and I will advise you to
stop smoke weed every stop doing that. Stop smoking weed
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have somebody who is realistic, that is in our grasp
that you'd like to hear that we've not had on
the podcast, or maybe we've had the person on the
podcast and you want to hear them on again, feel
free to recommend anyone at all. I've also considered having
a series of podcast with some of the superstars in
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the Mallard Militias, some of the regular people that call
the show or contribute content to the show. It's summertime.
We've got a few more weeks until football really gets going,
so we have some things to play around with this summer. Now,
speaking of things to have fun with, this is one
of those podcasts that is by request, by request, So
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I've been getting random emails from several members of the
Mallet militia saying, Hey, I love the show with Danny G.
Danny's great, but whatever happened to Gascon? Mr West of
the four oh five? And so I said, you know what,
why why don't we catch up with it? And so surprised, motherfucker,
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it's that time. We welcome in a man who was
writing Shotgun right next to me. There we were the
dynamic duo at the beginning of the Fifth Hour podcast.
The Fifth Hour with Ben Mallard was the Fifth Hour
with Ben Mallory and David Gascon. Now, of course Danny G.
But David Gascon a Fox Sports radio He's a play
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by play guy. He does a little bit of this,
a little bit of that. He is called all kinds
of different sporting events over the years, and now he
has belittled himself to come back to the podcast studio.
So we welcome in David Gascon. And so, David, thank you.
On on a scale of one to ten, how much
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do you miss the Fifth Hour podcast with me? Your
pal Ben Mallet, I noticed that you said on the
Fifth Down with Ben Mallard, but not David Gascon. So
I feel I feel a little melancholy. I feel a
little bitter, but I also feel a very nostalgic. So
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here I am but like yourself on this fine day,
I am east for the four h five free way.
So well, we're liketing to say that, but at different
times I've declared different adventures for me. Yes, I would
like to point out that I had to track down
guest Gun. I was getting emails from people saying, hey,
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why don't you put guest Gon back on? Why why
you see what he's doing, see what's going on with
his life? Now, I would like to point out before
we get what's before we get into what's going on
in your life, guest Gun, I would like to point
out that you did not actually answer the question. You're
very political, like a member of Congress. I said, on
a scale of one to ten, how much do you
missed the fift our podcast? And you gave an answer,
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but you did not actually answer the question that was asked,
So very political of you did not answer that. I
will assume that is a minus twenty three on the
how much do you missed the fifth hour podcast? This
is amazing development. Consider the fact that you yourself are
Tasha host and Taksha hosts are known mostly for their
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ability to speak not to listen. So I have to
I have to give you a tip to the cap
and say it's the job well done by you. So
but I miss it. I did miss it. We have
a lot of fun with a lot of bandster and
and obviously I um, I've paid the way for Danny
g to come into the folds. I'm sure he's enjoying it. Yes,
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you've passed the betime. It's like a relay race where
you've passed that and still have not answered the question.
So I will go with my default answer and and
we will move on. But how I'm trying to think
how long we did the fifth Hour together? I ever
a year? Was it over you? I have no concept
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of time. I have no concept of time. I just
go into the amazing podcast dojo and uh and I
just start talking. And then it's like the set up here.
I have on one side, I have the terrestrial radio
set up, so that's that's on the left side, and
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then the right side I have the podcast set up,
and I pretty much just it's like it's like a
dueling pianos guest gun. I just go back and forth
and all that. I feel like you're moving around. You're
doing a lot of moving what's going on? There's everything
all right there, Yeah, I'm doing I'm doing a lot
of moving around. Although I must I must say you're
probably liking and pig heaven right with your ability to
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have like dueling pianos and not to worry about eight
dollar gas like like the Cretans. Dude, you're you're sitting
pretty for right now. Well, I would like to address
that mouthfeasance that you have continued to spread. Now you
will get to your situation. You're you're out of the
loop right now, but you have been spreading lies. As
our former president would say, you are fake news because
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the company mandated, actually a couple of months ago, that
I cruise back into the main studio. So I've been
doing a hybrid schedule, and based on the amount of
days I come in, I believe I've been to work
more than you have over the last last two months.
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So you continue to spread slander, guess on on social media,
attacking my good name, and I want to assure you
as often as I go to the Costco gas station
for Kirkland brand gas that I have been spending my
fair amount on the putin price hike or whatever the
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Biden's calling it, but I have been doing so I've
been going, Yeah, I don't uh, you know, I don't
suspect that will have a decrease anytime soon. Although it
was announced a few days ago that our CPI was
nine point one, and you immediately had the little compundence
on one side, and also um the president and his
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vice president declaring, well, gas is thirty thirty cents cheaper
than what it was a month ago. Therefore, the CPI
is not something you should really be so concerned about.
But anyways, I digress. Time we started talking third rail stuff,
we started getting pinous comments on the fifth our podcast platform.
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So I've learned my lesson into a new year. We
cannot go against the regime and the echo chamber that is, Yeah,
well we don't. We don't go down that road very
often because it's a road filled with potholes, booby traps,
land mind mind Yeah, there's land mines, there's people throwing
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people on side with bows and arrows, people throwing rocks.
It's a it's an absolutely. But you are in the
great state of four Ord now, Is it true? Is
it true that you have moved to Florida. I'm not
going to confirm nor deny that, but I took a
page out of your book. Now, there was a time
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in place back in two thousand sixteen, right confided in you,
and I asked for your professional and personal opinion on
what I should do. I had an opportunity with Major
League Baseball and the Cello Mariner is my league affiliate,
and I could have moved to Bakersfield to work for
their High A affiliate, and you said you should do it.
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You should take a notebook, a pit pencil, or a
pen and chronicle what you're doing, because life is all
about those journeys. So I continue to heed that advice.
I've had some opportunities to back east with a certain
four letter network, and I started commentating on contycast in
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the us L Championship and UH and w SL soccer
which Sounder doesn't but it's like natural women's soccer league.
But yeah, I'm calling men's and women's soccer professionally for
a certain four letter network and I've been doing it
ever since May the fourteen and UH and how how
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long does that go? How long is this well, the
entire season is this could be permanent, this could be
Sunshine State's guest con possibly. Yeah. So what happened was
is I was called for an opportunity to call two
games in the month of April, and the timeline was
too short, so I couldn't just bolt the fox for
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a few days, and so I had to like push
my opportunity to audition out a month. And the executive
producer said, Okay, we'll get you a game on May
the four team, come on out. I called that game,
and then on my way back to l A said,
I'm gonna add some more games to your plate, and
then all of a sudden, one game turned into twenty
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and twenty games turned into he had me booked out
until the beginning of October. Yeah, so it means to say,
I've been traveling from left coast to east coast flights, Airbnbs,
and I've been I've been traveling and adding things up,
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and I have a great story for you. Oh good.
I love a good story because, as I told you,
you messed you butchered the quote. By the way. The
thing that I told you is life is all about
the stories you pick up along the way right, So
you do stuff because when when we're all old and
you're getting old. By the way, happy birthday. You just
had a birthday. Thank you, thank you. You called out
my birthday. I did, I did. I don't talk too much,
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but I did call you any birthday. But I well,
I remembered your birthday. But I won't say why I
remember your birthday. But there's something about your birthday which
gets a lot of a ten you not necessarily for you,
but when it's your birthday, and then I was like, oh, yeah,
that's that's uh, that guy's birthday and all that. But
but no, there's a certain black double murder suspect that
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celebrates the which, ironically, which is so amazing because of
your father probably you know, very famous. Uh we've had
him on the podcast. Your dad, very famous police person
in the l a p D. And all that is
most known related to the aforementioned. We did not mention
the name of the random former Heisman Trophy winner who
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decided to go yes, uh yeah, exactly. Uh all right,
so what's the what's the story here? So you're traveling,
you're traveling back and for what's going on? Yeah yeah, yeah,
So you you read I know you've read this and
seen this, but like Delta and a bunch of these
airlines were paying people to get off flights and they've
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been canceling flights all summer long. Um. Well, I was,
and I was in New York, UM a couple of
weeks ago, and I had a flight from LaGuardia Airport,
which is like fantastic now brand new airport for a
billion dollars spent on it. And I had a flight
leaving from mcguarda to go down to Fort Lauderdale, and
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the flight top was three thirty through Jet Blue. So
I get to the airport an hour earlier, right, and
I'm getting myself situated. I'm ready to go. All of
a sudden we get worried over the p a that
the airport are just going. The pilot, the captain the
flight was removed. So they didn't say why the pilot
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was removed, but people were suspected maybe it was alcohol related,
and so he gets removed. My flight gets pushed back
one hour. In doing so, the flight attendants that are
on my flight that reassigned, So an hour later when
our flight was supposed to take off, we had no
flight attendants, so we got pushed back again. So now
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our flight going from fourth orty gets pushed back to
six thirty. And when the flight gets pushed back to
six thirty, all of a sudden, we have an issue
because the flight that we were at on that gate
was occupied by another Jet Blue flight, so we had
to wait for that plane too, the plane reload and
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then take up. Well, when the flight reloaded, a woman
went into arrest. She went and cardiac arrest and had
to be removed from the flight, So that flight was
delayed another hour before it took off. So all of
a sudden, goes from six thirty to eight thirty because
of the delays, and then we get a warning that
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our plane now as a maintenance issue. When it has
a maintenance issue, all of a sudden, we start getting
pushed back to ten thirty eleven o'clock, and everyone starts
to say, this plan is gonna get canceled. So keep
in mind I was there at one thirty two o'clock
in the afternoon, comes they canceled my flight. Oh boy, dude,
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So now all of a sudden, I have to go
to the front desk to get a new flight. I
had a weight in line for an hour and then
still we'll give you the first flight out on Sunday. Well,
this is a Friday night, and I said that's not acceptable.
I have games on Saturday night in Florida. So guy
was like finagling around. He was like, I got your
one seat tomorrow morning at six am here to go
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down the four water dollar wonderful. So naturally, what I do?
I have my backpack? Can I sleep on the floor
at Lagrity Airport for five hours before I take off?
Did they Did they give you any funny month? Did
they give you any an four hundred dollars and funny money?
That's it, four hundred. I've seen stories over the last
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month of people getting up to ten thousand dollars and
thousand dollars. Yes, they give you four dollars, that's it. Yeah,
you can't even afford to leave the airport for fo
I know ar lift. No, it was awful, dude. Now,
did you did you make sure to like lick the
floor the Guardian? Because I have not been. I have
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not been to Leguardian a long time. My problem with
LaGuardia I used to go there when my brother first
moved to Manhattan. I used to go to fly into
LaGuardia because my mom, who didn't know a lot about
New York, determined that LaGuardia was closer than JFK, so
therefore I should fly into LaGuardia. The problem is that
there there were the runways were not long enough from
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West coast to East coast or vice versa. You had
to stop somewhere. They couldn't have the big planes on there,
so I always had to stop in Chicago or somewhere
like that. It was a pain in the ass and
uh and whatnot. And so I'm assuming they didn't make
the runways any longer, did they. If you're on the
East Coast, it's fine to fly out of LaGuardia, but
if you're somewhere further away, it's it's still a nightmare.
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I would think. Yeah, it was terrible, but the airport
itself was clean, spacious and uh yeah planet flooring for
me to sleep on. So it was got awful. So
how many teams? How many teams are in this? Uh?
So you got to the game, right, you got the
four inner bucks? You stopped in the floor, Yeah I did. Yeah,
but like it was awful, but like it was one
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by one. It was it was like something out of
a movie because each gate it was canceled, canceled, canceled,
cancel like Delta, uh, Southwest Airlines, Spirit like all these
airlines in New York were canceling flights and it was
just it was like one by one. It was pretty tragic.
So I was part of the casualty flights being obviously
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cutting down. So the airline industry has done a wonderful
job of handling everything and they're very smooth uh and
and I'm glad that every you know, twenty thirty years
they get bailed out so they can continue there. And
I think what we need here Gascon is you to
become a pilot. Because you get paid a lot of money.
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You can you're not allowed to fly once you get
to the age of sixty six. I think it is
right sixty five, they retire you automatically. You get free travel.
And I think the planes just pretty much fly themselves.
That the hard parts taken off and landing, but once
you get up in the air, it's like autopilot. I think.
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But we have we already have one pilot, so I
can't be a pilot out well, not true. Actually, I've
not heard from I'm a Pilot in many, many months.
There is a conspiracy among the fifth hour p ones
on this show that you were actually I'm a Pilot,
that you were using a burner account. We used to
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get these wild tales from I'm a Pilot. Remember the
one he talked about going to China during early on
in the in the pandemic and how crazy that was.
And uh, but so you're you're denying right now, hand
to God that you are not I'm a Pilot because
he stopped sending messages right around the time that you
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stopped working on the show. That's correct, that's correct. But
I know he's he's been communicating via Twitter, and yeah,
it's it's not It's not me. No burner accounts here,
I'm not I'm not coming back as Junion Medford two
one oh, certainly not any of the female contingency that
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adores me and misses me. So yeah, yeah, alright, So
so you're doing the soccer thing. I don't know anything
about this. Explain it to me like I'm five years
old here, So this is female women's soccer? Is this?
What is men's and women's? Yeah? I think about this
one like the MLS, which is like the premier league
here in the United States, supposedly, UM they have like
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the us L Championship. They have US League One, and
then they have the nwus L and they also have
UM it's a separate league, but it's called Cocky Gaps.
So it's like the it's like the it's the America's
it's like South America, Middle America, obviously Central America, the
United States, and so all these soccer clubs are competing
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for international rights in these different leagues, these different tournaments,
and so I called the United States. I call the
United States versus Cuba in the copy cab You twenty,
which is just amazing because like you would have on streams,
you would have people commentating on what you're saying. And
so it reminded me of talking to you because that
people that were simply fashioned me because of my soccer vernacular.
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And then I had other guys that were saying, Man,
these guys like a baseball announcer, he just goes off
on these random tangents like Fiel airtime because I'm calling
me the matches by myself. This is something like Benny
would do, right, he would just start talking about something
random and stupid as opposed to like, what's actually happening
on it? How dare you it's more interesting than what's
going on on the pitch. Yeah, well, what is the
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what is the first rule of broadcast? You gotta keep
people entertained? I think you gotta you gotta here. And obviously,
if you're doing TV, it was radio, but this is TV.
If it's radio, that's a problem because people don't know
what's going on. But if it's television, they can see
what's going on. So of course you should try to
be entertaining. How much of a soccer knowledge did you
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have before you get into this, Well, I I do,
I do. I call stuff. I call soccer for the
Big West Conference for men's and women's soccer. I was
calling stuff in the Pact. Well, but this is just
a different beach, that's the different league. So it's basically
like a it's just a step below Major League soccer.
And these guys are trying to get there, and some
guys get signed, and they get traded out to European
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clubs and then all of a sudden they have like
massive day day. So these are like developmental leagues for
for all intensive purposes with guys that can continue there
for athletic careers, almost like Triple A and Double A baseball,
but you are actually going to the games. It's not
necessarily remote. You're actually going there. And no, no, there's
the other there's like giant remote studios that I worked
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at and operate. Okay, and yeah, well how hard is that?
It must be a pain in the ass having to
keep track? What if the camera do you have multiple
camera angles where you can actually see the wide the
wide view, because I would think calling a soccer match
if you if you're seeing close up so the players
is not going to lend itself to quality play by play. Yeah,
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it's extremely challenging, but I was doing that during the
summertime two years ago in Germany when I was calling
European League Football Action American Lives Football in Europe. I
was doing that then, still doing it now, and I'm
doing this kind of like train me and got me
adequated to call them things off of a off of
a monitor, much like our our friend John Sterling will
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call Yankee games off That's right, that's right, except I'm
not getting paid anywhere near let John. Yes, and you're
not actually at the games like our our friend John is.
But remember he told us, but we I think the
most important thing is to try to be somewhat entertaining
the person who's who's watching, giving up the most valuable resource.
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They have their time to consume the product you're putting out.
But John always said, remember he said on the podcast,
he said, you gotta sell the soup, you gotta sell
the soap. That's the most important thing. And that's that's
the key there. So are you gonna parlay this guest on?
Are you gonna be calling the World Cup at some point?
I would love to, Like there's a lot of action,
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there's a lot of talent, but I'm called especially the
women's side. Like my highlighting the women's sidles. I was
actually calling a game from the San Diego WAVEFC Alex
Morgan obviously there's a prominent figure in the soccer world
called her match. She she scored a couple of goals.
So yeah, men's ruben soccer. If I can get on board,
I love to me and I've been you know what me,
I've been trying this for for a long long time.
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So soon or Landers will get pap or I'm gonna
hit the wall and crash and burning the sunset. You
just you well, we're all The end game for all
of us is to crash him. The end game for
all of us. So just joy if you're having of course,
you have bills to pay, which is a problem, and
you just keep going. And my strategy is I just
keep doing it until someone says, here's a great job.
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And then maybe at some point somebody will say that's
a great job. I mean, I have a good job
right now. I love what I do and uh, but
financially it'll be nice to have a better job. But
I but I enjoy yeah, what do Yeah? I mean
that's part of the reason why I've had to go
to Florida and other parts of the country to get
the work. Right, Like, I can't say to know the opportunities,
so I gotta jump at it, no matter how big
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or how small. Well, how are we coming? Fox Sports Radio?
Now you don't know this, maybe because you've been gone,
But the great Ralph Irvin leaving Fox Sports Radio. I
had him on the fifth hour last week. He's relocating
the lost wages Nevada and he's out and man, and
you're you've been hanging out in the Sunshine State doing
(24:51):
your thing, during your soccer thing. I think, yeah, there's
a there's a shortage. Yeah, how much is gas? How
much just gas gases? Like four me five? Eight? Wow,
So it's like a dollar well, I don't know about
three dollars, but it's like it's got down a little bit,
but it's around it's like six in l a right
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around there, six thirty. So it's like a buck fifty cheaper.
That's crazy, that's crazy. But yeah, weather is interesting. It's
obviously humid. Um a good CEO and Fort Lauderdon and
South Beach. Um, I've been around. I've been like Tampa,
been in New York. Um, you know, I was. I
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was in New York for the fourth July and so
I've been. Yeah, I've been out in the Batman. It's uh,
it's good to be at least traveling and seen so
many people that were locked in in door sbreak couple
of years to get out and about so most flightlines
and whatnot, and just trying to try to live a
productive summer. You know, So what happened all You've always
had tons of other side gigs, like side hustles. Are
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are those all on hold right now? Because you're no. No,
I'm still I'm still doing the European League of Football
stuff that's every Saturday and Sunday. Did that remotely wherever
I am? So I got my mixture and headset I am.
I'm producing for Todd Furrman and paying Insider at the
Board podcast. I'm producing for them. About that, I had
no idea. Look at that I've been doing. That's been Yeah,
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I've been doing that for a couple of years. Um,
and then you and I have some stuff from the
works for possibly football August September, so waiting on the
winning on that and uh yeah, try to keep the
home fires warm. The last time I talked to you
on a on a professional level, I landed my first
job opportunities with FS one. I was doing FS one
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college basketball in February and March. Yeah, I saw that.
I saw. Is that is that in the future as well?
You think it will call you back to do more
of those games? I hope. So, I mean, I liked
my effort and I liked what I did, so you know,
you get you get evaluated that stuff. But they got
tens and hundreds of thousands of guys in and out,
and uh yeah, you're just trying to stick, so hopefully
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I stick. But as far important man, as far as
the soccer stuff though, like how difficult is It's one
thing I I've I've done a little. I've dabbled in
that world where you try to come up with antidotes
and stories and whatnot. For athletes, it's not that hard
if you you're calling a professional game where it's like
(27:22):
the Major League Baseball or the NFL. But if you're
doing the soccer here, how difficult is it? Defined information
on some of these cat Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean
I was doing I was doing games for like uh
I think gets A, Neva's, I was doing like Bermuda,
I was doing Cuba. I was doing all these clubs
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internationally and they have little to know media guides, pronunciation
guides like I'm all over the internet and obviously the
United States that covered them. I covered Canada, um I
did in Mexico. So yeah, like finding info on these
cats is like a different nature. You're the only good
thing is is that what the copy cav and the
you twenty teams. These kids are all over social media,
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so you like on their Instagram accounts and then find
out like where the training, what colleges they're going to,
um background stories like that on town teams and odd stuff.
So it's like a completely different beast. But yeah, I
take a lot more prep work. And that's the crazy thing, right,
You're doing all this prep work. Game time isn't that long?
Like what did I spend all my day on? So well,
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you could also gamble that if the Internet does not
have any information on the player, you can then get
very creative. It can become a creative writing exercise. It's like,
you know, fiction versus nonfiction. You could go nonfiction, but
fiction would be so much more fun and you could
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create wild bachelor's like I had Ken Levine, who you
know a little bit right, and I think you make
can the the old TV guy who did play by
playing the minor leagues. And Ken's a great guy, and
he talked about some of his stories calling minor league
games in Virginia and some other places and then he
got to the major leagues. But he talked about just
kind of just kind of letting it rip sometimes because
(29:10):
you didn't know much and nobody would you figure on
the small station, no one's listening. But you know, when
you're doing soccer, I would think, like I said, those
guys from far away lands, who's gonna call you on that?
You know what I'm saying. You know who's gonna you
could create the most amazing tale in the world about
some guy from a Ruba and it's probably no one
(29:31):
gonna gonna be able to say, wait a minute, that's
my brother's cousins, gardeners, barber, you know, or something like that. Yeah, yeah,
for sure. The problem is with social media's days, you
never know who's watching or listening, and so god forbid
I say one thing one time, it gets picked out
all the time. I go from like that aspiring you know,
(29:51):
expiring broadcaster to just like hung out the drive. No,
but you can say that this is a family makes
biscuits for a living. There don't a biscuits business. And
in their spare time they they also throw darts at
donkeys asses. You know, it's just throw throw random things
together and see, uh, let's see what works on that.
(30:14):
So you're all alone on these broadcast is you're you're
one you're one man band. Some of them I'm one
man band. Others I have a broadcast partner. So I'm
working tonight and uh I do not have a broadcast partner,
but over the weekend. I will have a couple of
broadcast partners. Well, I feel I feel I feel good
because what you told me that I feel like I
(30:37):
have a role in this. That the criticism that you
got from the angry, bitter wing of the Mallard militia
has prepared you for the soccer viewer to lob Molotov
cocktails your direction, that you are somehow prepared for this
(30:58):
then and you are able to It's like water off
a duck's back guescount right, you just who keeps you? Now?
You're you're getting paid. You're getting paid to do this.
And if people like it, great, if they don't like
and the the other thing too. I don't know if
this is on social media or not. And I learned
this years ago. When people are really rude to you
on social media, I usually just I don't go on
(31:19):
there much anymore. I'm hardly on social media much these
days other than for the show during the show, but
the rest of the time, I'm not on there much
at all. Um. But but anyway, so if somebody says
you some really nasty stuff, just lobs punches at you.
Nine out of ten times if you click on their
timeline on Twitter, they are doing the same thing to
(31:41):
seven thousand other people. Like whatever media they're consuming, they're
just going point by point, you suck, you blow your
horse shit, you all just going through all of that, right, right,
trying to attack everyone in their mother right. They have
nothing else to do. So, yeah, those are people that
have like little note followers and all of a sudden
they well, yeah when they say that, and see they've
(32:02):
never said stuff to your face. So at the end
of the day, yeah, whatever they think that in my
business anyways, less they're rent the checks, they can give
a rip exactly. And then remember, the mute button is
a wonderful tool, the mute, but not do not. But
I've had this conversation with Rob Parker. Rob Parker, the
colleague of ours here at Fox Sports Tradio. Rob will
go around and block everybody, and the block is a
(32:25):
victory for the purse. The mute button is a victory
for you. I can I cannot begin to tell you
how many people I have had put on mute over
the years, and they don't know it. They can. Some
of them continue to send me stuff. Uh and I
know that because they'll tag other people in it and
then somehow I'll click on it. But um, but the
(32:47):
mute button is wonderful. It's the great equal as so well,
it's it's necessary, and you know what, it's better that
way because those people just get off on any kind
of like retaliation as opposed to like, you know, obviously
you cut. I'm sure exactly. Now. A couple of years back,
you mentioned the Bakersfield played by play job that you took,
and you you took that team right to North Carolina
(33:10):
hundred years of how many years was that team around
of almost a hundred years? Yeah, yeah, we went out
of business. Center left, the left the California League and
uh yeah, onto greater pastures. Well, and Rob Manford just
tried he attempted to kill minor league baseball too. He
got rid of a bunch of teams for with the
(33:31):
forties something teams all eliminated because of that loser commissioner,
Rob Manford and stripping major League Baseball downam its guts
and then uh not worried about the Euston Astros and
so not worried about the Boston Red Side. Well, ironically
the Astros have been the downfall of that as well.
That that was the advice of the former general manager
(33:51):
of the Astros. That somebody baseball told me that, and
what was it, jeff lu Now is that the guy's name,
that Jeff lu Not Yeah, he was the guy that
said and the Astros were like, there's too many minor
league teams. Think how much more money we could make
if we got weird of these minor league teams. We
don't need the minor league teams. And he was able
to convince the low i Q Commissioner of Baseball, and
(34:15):
so they put they put all these teams in the
butcher shop, including there was a team in the High
Desert here in the Cali Lancaster that had been pretty
successful and nice, beautiful ballpark and all that. They went
out of business. They were living in the Cali High Desert.
Bakersfield by Sail was not in trouble, but they were. Hey,
(34:41):
major League Baseball, they do a lot of things I
don't undergree with, but that what happens. Come All Star
breaks with the Dodgers and hosting the All Star Game
this year, it's a little be different, saying, now, did
you see me on TV? I was on TV? I did,
I did? I did? Was a pleasant set to see
you with Marlin's Matt, And uh, yeah, I'm looking forward
to in the invitation come holiday season. Well, you're you're
(35:03):
closer to Marlin's man. He lives in Miami, so you
can go go to a Marlins game together and hang out.
I would like that. Maybe a phone call and every
party and its private yacht, that'd be fantastic. Yeah. Yeah,
it's horre. It's it's crazy, guest, because I'm not used
(35:23):
to being in that world that is that is more
west of the four oh five than east of the
four oh five, that that one percent world. But every
once in a while I'll get the call, which is
actually a text from Marlin's man. His name's Lawrence, and
he'll say, hey, I'm in town this weekend. I want
you to be my guest behind home play And yeah,
(35:46):
and you looked it up. Everything's free at charge. It's
like five star, first class seating, dining, the whole nine yards.
Well not everything. The booze is not free, but everything
else is free. Everything else is completely free. Did you
now a couple of a couple of years prior to
the Bakershield job, you had a chance, I think it
was actually was after to go to China, China and
(36:09):
do television in China. Yeah, you ever looked back and say,
if only I had gone to China, because you would
have been there during the global shutdown, that would have
been wonderful for you. Yes, yeah, it's been good. I
would have gotten I would have gotten me in coronavirus firsthand,
as opposed to getting in I'd say, so, yeah, I
(36:29):
would have been it has been right to the source.
So yeah, I don't look back on that anymore. But
thankfully did not take your advice and China for great job.
Well was the other The other job you advised you
asked me about was a job in West Virginia, if
I remember, Yeah, it was like wasn't it wasn't blue?
Was like blue something? I forget what it was. Yeah,
(36:51):
ten dollars an hour part time as an anchor. Well,
ten dollars an hour, though the houses at that time
I think cost fifteen dollars or two hours. You could
have afford to buy a house. I know. And now,
like the past spart a couple of years, I wouldn't
be able to form the fact that no one has
given raises and the cost of living and inflation sky high.
So well, I think, being back in Los Angeles, if
(37:13):
you if you want to enjoy the inflation, go to
one of these inflation calculators. Type in your salary because
chances are whatever you're getting paid is the same thing
you got paid fifteen years ago or twenty years ago.
And see how much further the dollar went in two
thousand three, or you know, even before that, as as
opposed to too now. I looked it up the other day.
(37:36):
Tiger Woods in six with Nike, before he won the
Masters for the first time, he got a contract for
forty million dollars from Nike. Intoday's money, that would the
spending power on that is seventy four millions almost doubled
(37:56):
in less in less than thirty years. It's almost double.
So in other words, if you might might or night
might or might not be a radio guy and you're
making the same money you made in n I believe
you've lost almost of your spending so well. I started
(38:17):
with iHeart in two thousand twelve, moved to Fox Sports
Radio in two thousand fourteen, and I have not had
a race since, so, yeah, is rather loud. Yeah, so
you've you've taken about a fifty cut in that overa
over the years there. But now you know, now you're
doing soccer. Now you're gonna be the big voice of
(38:38):
soccer somewhere. And oh man, what about play by play jobs?
What any play by play jobs opened up at yours?
Are you still applying for the big play by play
jobs of those? That's that's that's why I took the
soccer job in all play by play. So I've been
doing this like with a team though. Didn't you say
you wanted to do like a team play by play?
Like at some point that would be dream job to
(39:01):
work for a special team. I would like to, yes,
but nothing is like nothing is available right now, Like
everything has been off the market, everything like tied up. Yeah,
so it's been like awful to look at right now.
So yeah, I'm just man, I'm like, you know, I'm
(39:22):
I'm looking, I'm searching. Man, I'm doing everything I can.
That's pre damn sure. So it's no, I don't It'll
happen and then you'll tell stories about I can't believe
I did this crappy podcast back in the day. Look
at me now, you won't return phone calls. I know
how this goes. I'm aware of I produced a coasted
(39:43):
and I'm sure if I make it to the big
league ranks, we'll have to like some of you for
certain website links and for certain links to um broadcaster
material that other guys use that will not discuss on
this podcast. No, no, there are there are some sheet
codes that I learned many many years ago that certain
(40:03):
broadcasters use. Some of them Hall of Fame rocks, some
of them the best of the best broadcasters. That if
the general public knew the information that was available that
that some people may or may not pretend like they
got on their own, it would it would blow you away,
would blow you away. Ah well, listen, I guess un listen,
(40:23):
we wasted enough of your time. You've got a game
to call tonight, You've got preparation to do. But so
nice of you to come back on the podcast. Any
message for the Mallar Militia guest on any final thoughts,
just send a special shout out to Tammy and Rob
Stann of course I know that they'll be listening. And
then no, there's gonna catch up. It's a long time you,
(40:46):
looney Rob, I talk to you in a hot minute,
so it's good to uh, it's gonna catch up. Well,
next time you're in town now that you're Mr Florida,
let me know and we can plan get together. So
we'll we'll eat some cheap Mexican food, which is no
longer cheap, and then we'll we'll complain about this, that
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and the other thing, which is normally how that goes
when we get together. We just complain about rainow things.
After a doctor game, of course, it's a day, all right.
There is the great David. Thank you Gascon you bet,
thanks Bet good a chat lea
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if you want to hear anyone in particular on this
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and say, hey, I'd like to hear so. And now
if you call up or if you're right in I
should say and you say, hey, I think it would
be really nice to have the President of the United
States on or why do you see if Lebron James
will do the podcast, and I will advise you to
stop smoke weed every stop doing that. Stop smoking weed
(01:53):
every day, because that's not gonna happen. But if you
have somebody who is realistic, that is in our grasp
that you'd like to hear that we've not had on
the podcast, or maybe we've had the person on the
podcast and you want to hear them on again, feel
free to recommend anyone at all. I've also considered having
a series of podcast with some of the superstars in
(02:16):
the Mallard Militias, some of the regular people that call
the show or contribute content to the show. It's summertime.
We've got a few more weeks until football really gets going,
so we have some things to play around with this summer. Now,
speaking of things to have fun with, this is one
of those podcasts that is by request, by request, So
(02:39):
I've been getting random emails from several members of the
Mallet militia saying, Hey, I love the show with Danny G.
Danny's great, but whatever happened to Gascon? Mr West of
the four oh five? And so I said, you know what,
why why don't we catch up with it? And so surprised, motherfucker,
(03:01):
it's that time. We welcome in a man who was
writing Shotgun right next to me. There we were the
dynamic duo at the beginning of the Fifth Hour podcast.
The Fifth Hour with Ben Mallard was the Fifth Hour
with Ben Mallory and David Gascon. Now, of course Danny G.
But David Gascon a Fox Sports radio He's a play
(03:22):
by play guy. He does a little bit of this,
a little bit of that. He is called all kinds
of different sporting events over the years, and now he
has belittled himself to come back to the podcast studio.
So we welcome in David Gascon. And so, David, thank you.
On on a scale of one to ten, how much
(03:45):
do you miss the Fifth Hour podcast with me? Your
pal Ben Mallet, I noticed that you said on the
Fifth Down with Ben Mallard, but not David Gascon. So
I feel I feel a little melancholy. I feel a
little bitter, but I also feel a very nostalgic. So
(04:07):
here I am but like yourself on this fine day,
I am east for the four h five free way.
So well, we're liketing to say that, but at different
times I've declared different adventures for me. Yes, I would
like to point out that I had to track down
guest Gun. I was getting emails from people saying, hey,
(04:27):
why don't you put guest Gon back on? Why why
you see what he's doing, see what's going on with
his life? Now, I would like to point out before
we get what's before we get into what's going on
in your life, guest Gun, I would like to point
out that you did not actually answer the question. You're
very political, like a member of Congress. I said, on
a scale of one to ten, how much do you
missed the fift our podcast? And you gave an answer,
(04:49):
but you did not actually answer the question that was asked,
So very political of you did not answer that. I
will assume that is a minus twenty three on the
how much do you missed the fifth hour podcast? This
is amazing development. Consider the fact that you yourself are
Tasha host and Taksha hosts are known mostly for their
(05:10):
ability to speak not to listen. So I have to
I have to give you a tip to the cap
and say it's the job well done by you. So
but I miss it. I did miss it. We have
a lot of fun with a lot of bandster and
and obviously I um, I've paid the way for Danny
g to come into the folds. I'm sure he's enjoying it. Yes,
(05:31):
you've passed the betime. It's like a relay race where
you've passed that and still have not answered the question.
So I will go with my default answer and and
we will move on. But how I'm trying to think
how long we did the fifth Hour together? I ever
a year? Was it over you? I have no concept
(05:51):
of time. I have no concept of time. I just
go into the amazing podcast dojo and uh and I
just start talking. And then it's like the set up here.
I have on one side, I have the terrestrial radio
set up, so that's that's on the left side, and
(06:13):
then the right side I have the podcast set up,
and I pretty much just it's like it's like a
dueling pianos guest gun. I just go back and forth
and all that. I feel like you're moving around. You're
doing a lot of moving what's going on? There's everything
all right there, Yeah, I'm doing I'm doing a lot
of moving around. Although I must I must say you're
probably liking and pig heaven right with your ability to
(06:33):
have like dueling pianos and not to worry about eight
dollar gas like like the Cretans. Dude, you're you're sitting
pretty for right now. Well, I would like to address
that mouthfeasance that you have continued to spread. Now you
will get to your situation. You're you're out of the
loop right now, but you have been spreading lies. As
our former president would say, you are fake news because
(06:57):
the company mandated, actually a couple of months ago, that
I cruise back into the main studio. So I've been
doing a hybrid schedule, and based on the amount of
days I come in, I believe I've been to work
more than you have over the last last two months.
(07:19):
So you continue to spread slander, guess on on social media,
attacking my good name, and I want to assure you
as often as I go to the Costco gas station
for Kirkland brand gas that I have been spending my
fair amount on the putin price hike or whatever the
(07:42):
Biden's calling it, but I have been doing so I've
been going, Yeah, I don't uh, you know, I don't
suspect that will have a decrease anytime soon. Although it
was announced a few days ago that our CPI was
nine point one, and you immediately had the little compundence
on one side, and also um the president and his
(08:05):
vice president declaring, well, gas is thirty thirty cents cheaper
than what it was a month ago. Therefore, the CPI
is not something you should really be so concerned about.
But anyways, I digress. Time we started talking third rail stuff,
we started getting pinous comments on the fifth our podcast platform.
(08:26):
So I've learned my lesson into a new year. We
cannot go against the regime and the echo chamber that is, Yeah,
well we don't. We don't go down that road very
often because it's a road filled with potholes, booby traps,
land mind mind Yeah, there's land mines, there's people throwing
(08:51):
people on side with bows and arrows, people throwing rocks.
It's a it's an absolutely. But you are in the
great state of four Ord now, Is it true? Is
it true that you have moved to Florida. I'm not
going to confirm nor deny that, but I took a
page out of your book. Now, there was a time
(09:13):
in place back in two thousand sixteen, right confided in you,
and I asked for your professional and personal opinion on
what I should do. I had an opportunity with Major
League Baseball and the Cello Mariner is my league affiliate,
and I could have moved to Bakersfield to work for
their High A affiliate, and you said you should do it.
(09:33):
You should take a notebook, a pit pencil, or a
pen and chronicle what you're doing, because life is all
about those journeys. So I continue to heed that advice.
I've had some opportunities to back east with a certain
four letter network, and I started commentating on contycast in
(09:57):
the us L Championship and UH and w SL soccer
which Sounder doesn't but it's like natural women's soccer league.
But yeah, I'm calling men's and women's soccer professionally for
a certain four letter network and I've been doing it
ever since May the fourteen and UH and how how
(10:20):
long does that go? How long is this well, the
entire season is this could be permanent, this could be
Sunshine State's guest con possibly. Yeah. So what happened was
is I was called for an opportunity to call two
games in the month of April, and the timeline was
too short, so I couldn't just bolt the fox for
(10:43):
a few days, and so I had to like push
my opportunity to audition out a month. And the executive
producer said, Okay, we'll get you a game on May
the four team, come on out. I called that game,
and then on my way back to l A said,
I'm gonna add some more games to your plate, and
then all of a sudden, one game turned into twenty
(11:06):
and twenty games turned into he had me booked out
until the beginning of October. Yeah, so it means to say,
I've been traveling from left coast to east coast flights, Airbnbs,
and I've been I've been traveling and adding things up,
(11:28):
and I have a great story for you. Oh good.
I love a good story because, as I told you,
you messed you butchered the quote. By the way. The
thing that I told you is life is all about
the stories you pick up along the way right, So
you do stuff because when when we're all old and
you're getting old. By the way, happy birthday. You just
had a birthday. Thank you, thank you. You called out
my birthday. I did, I did. I don't talk too much,
(11:51):
but I did call you any birthday. But I well,
I remembered your birthday. But I won't say why I
remember your birthday. But there's something about your birthday which
gets a lot of a ten you not necessarily for you,
but when it's your birthday, and then I was like, oh, yeah,
that's that's uh, that guy's birthday and all that. But
but no, there's a certain black double murder suspect that
(12:12):
celebrates the which, ironically, which is so amazing because of
your father probably you know, very famous. Uh we've had
him on the podcast. Your dad, very famous police person
in the l a p D. And all that is
most known related to the aforementioned. We did not mention
the name of the random former Heisman Trophy winner who
(12:34):
decided to go yes, uh yeah, exactly. Uh all right,
so what's the what's the story here? So you're traveling,
you're traveling back and for what's going on? Yeah yeah, yeah,
So you you read I know you've read this and
seen this, but like Delta and a bunch of these
airlines were paying people to get off flights and they've
(12:55):
been canceling flights all summer long. Um. Well, I was,
and I was in New York, UM a couple of
weeks ago, and I had a flight from LaGuardia Airport,
which is like fantastic now brand new airport for a
billion dollars spent on it. And I had a flight
leaving from mcguarda to go down to Fort Lauderdale, and
(13:16):
the flight top was three thirty through Jet Blue. So
I get to the airport an hour earlier, right, and
I'm getting myself situated. I'm ready to go. All of
a sudden we get worried over the p a that
the airport are just going. The pilot, the captain the
flight was removed. So they didn't say why the pilot
(13:36):
was removed, but people were suspected maybe it was alcohol related,
and so he gets removed. My flight gets pushed back
one hour. In doing so, the flight attendants that are
on my flight that reassigned, So an hour later when
our flight was supposed to take off, we had no
flight attendants, so we got pushed back again. So now
(13:57):
our flight going from fourth orty gets pushed back to
six thirty. And when the flight gets pushed back to
six thirty, all of a sudden, we have an issue
because the flight that we were at on that gate
was occupied by another Jet Blue flight, so we had
to wait for that plane too, the plane reload and
(14:17):
then take up. Well, when the flight reloaded, a woman
went into arrest. She went and cardiac arrest and had
to be removed from the flight, So that flight was
delayed another hour before it took off. So all of
a sudden, goes from six thirty to eight thirty because
of the delays, and then we get a warning that
(14:39):
our plane now as a maintenance issue. When it has
a maintenance issue, all of a sudden, we start getting
pushed back to ten thirty eleven o'clock, and everyone starts
to say, this plan is gonna get canceled. So keep
in mind I was there at one thirty two o'clock
in the afternoon, comes they canceled my flight. Oh boy, dude,
(15:00):
So now all of a sudden, I have to go
to the front desk to get a new flight. I
had a weight in line for an hour and then
still we'll give you the first flight out on Sunday. Well,
this is a Friday night, and I said that's not acceptable.
I have games on Saturday night in Florida. So guy
was like finagling around. He was like, I got your
one seat tomorrow morning at six am here to go
(15:22):
down the four water dollar wonderful. So naturally, what I do?
I have my backpack? Can I sleep on the floor
at Lagrity Airport for five hours before I take off?
Did they Did they give you any funny month? Did
they give you any an four hundred dollars and funny money?
That's it, four hundred. I've seen stories over the last
(15:45):
month of people getting up to ten thousand dollars and
thousand dollars. Yes, they give you four dollars, that's it. Yeah,
you can't even afford to leave the airport for fo
I know ar lift. No, it was awful, dude. Now,
did you did you make sure to like lick the
floor the Guardian? Because I have not been. I have
(16:06):
not been to Leguardian a long time. My problem with
LaGuardia I used to go there when my brother first
moved to Manhattan. I used to go to fly into
LaGuardia because my mom, who didn't know a lot about
New York, determined that LaGuardia was closer than JFK, so
therefore I should fly into LaGuardia. The problem is that
there there were the runways were not long enough from
(16:27):
West coast to East coast or vice versa. You had
to stop somewhere. They couldn't have the big planes on there,
so I always had to stop in Chicago or somewhere
like that. It was a pain in the ass and
uh and whatnot. And so I'm assuming they didn't make
the runways any longer, did they. If you're on the
East Coast, it's fine to fly out of LaGuardia, but
if you're somewhere further away, it's it's still a nightmare.
(16:47):
I would think. Yeah, it was terrible, but the airport
itself was clean, spacious and uh yeah planet flooring for
me to sleep on. So it was got awful. So
how many teams? How many teams are in this? Uh?
So you got to the game, right, you got the
four inner bucks? You stopped in the floor, Yeah I did. Yeah,
but like it was awful, but like it was one
(17:07):
by one. It was it was like something out of
a movie because each gate it was canceled, canceled, canceled,
cancel like Delta, uh, Southwest Airlines, Spirit like all these
airlines in New York were canceling flights and it was
just it was like one by one. It was pretty tragic.
So I was part of the casualty flights being obviously
(17:28):
cutting down. So the airline industry has done a wonderful
job of handling everything and they're very smooth uh and
and I'm glad that every you know, twenty thirty years
they get bailed out so they can continue there. And
I think what we need here Gascon is you to
become a pilot. Because you get paid a lot of money.
(17:51):
You can you're not allowed to fly once you get
to the age of sixty six. I think it is
right sixty five, they retire you automatically. You get free travel.
And I think the planes just pretty much fly themselves.
That the hard parts taken off and landing, but once
you get up in the air, it's like autopilot. I think.
(18:12):
But we have we already have one pilot, so I
can't be a pilot out well, not true. Actually, I've
not heard from I'm a Pilot in many, many months.
There is a conspiracy among the fifth hour p ones
on this show that you were actually I'm a Pilot,
that you were using a burner account. We used to
(18:36):
get these wild tales from I'm a Pilot. Remember the
one he talked about going to China during early on
in the in the pandemic and how crazy that was.
And uh, but so you're you're denying right now, hand
to God that you are not I'm a Pilot because
he stopped sending messages right around the time that you
(18:59):
stopped working on the show. That's correct, that's correct. But
I know he's he's been communicating via Twitter, and yeah,
it's it's not It's not me. No burner accounts here,
I'm not I'm not coming back as Junion Medford two
one oh, certainly not any of the female contingency that
(19:19):
adores me and misses me. So yeah, yeah, alright, So
so you're doing the soccer thing. I don't know anything
about this. Explain it to me like I'm five years
old here, So this is female women's soccer? Is this?
What is men's and women's? Yeah? I think about this
one like the MLS, which is like the premier league
here in the United States, supposedly, UM they have like
(19:42):
the us L Championship. They have US League One, and
then they have the nwus L and they also have
UM it's a separate league, but it's called Cocky Gaps.
So it's like the it's like the it's the America's
it's like South America, Middle America, obviously Central America, the
United States, and so all these soccer clubs are competing
(20:04):
for international rights in these different leagues, these different tournaments,
and so I called the United States. I call the
United States versus Cuba in the copy cab You twenty,
which is just amazing because like you would have on streams,
you would have people commentating on what you're saying. And
so it reminded me of talking to you because that
people that were simply fashioned me because of my soccer vernacular.
(20:28):
And then I had other guys that were saying, Man,
these guys like a baseball announcer, he just goes off
on these random tangents like Fiel airtime because I'm calling
me the matches by myself. This is something like Benny
would do, right, he would just start talking about something
random and stupid as opposed to like, what's actually happening
on it? How dare you it's more interesting than what's
going on on the pitch. Yeah, well, what is the
(20:51):
what is the first rule of broadcast? You gotta keep
people entertained? I think you gotta you gotta here. And obviously,
if you're doing TV, it was radio, but this is TV.
If it's radio, that's a problem because people don't know
what's going on. But if it's television, they can see
what's going on. So of course you should try to
be entertaining. How much of a soccer knowledge did you
(21:13):
have before you get into this, Well, I I do,
I do. I call stuff. I call soccer for the
Big West Conference for men's and women's soccer. I was
calling stuff in the Pact. Well, but this is just
a different beach, that's the different league. So it's basically
like a it's just a step below Major League soccer.
And these guys are trying to get there, and some
guys get signed, and they get traded out to European
(21:37):
clubs and then all of a sudden they have like
massive day day. So these are like developmental leagues for
for all intensive purposes with guys that can continue there
for athletic careers, almost like Triple A and Double A baseball,
but you are actually going to the games. It's not
necessarily remote. You're actually going there. And no, no, there's
the other there's like giant remote studios that I worked
(21:59):
at and operate. Okay, and yeah, well how hard is that?
It must be a pain in the ass having to
keep track? What if the camera do you have multiple
camera angles where you can actually see the wide the
wide view, because I would think calling a soccer match
if you if you're seeing close up so the players
is not going to lend itself to quality play by play. Yeah,
(22:21):
it's extremely challenging, but I was doing that during the
summertime two years ago in Germany when I was calling
European League Football Action American Lives Football in Europe. I
was doing that then, still doing it now, and I'm
doing this kind of like train me and got me
adequated to call them things off of a off of
a monitor, much like our our friend John Sterling will
(22:44):
call Yankee games off That's right, that's right, except I'm
not getting paid anywhere near let John. Yes, and you're
not actually at the games like our our friend John is.
But remember he told us, but we I think the
most important thing is to try to be somewhat entertaining
the person who's who's watching, giving up the most valuable resource.
(23:05):
They have their time to consume the product you're putting out.
But John always said, remember he said on the podcast,
he said, you gotta sell the soup, you gotta sell
the soap. That's the most important thing. And that's that's
the key there. So are you gonna parlay this guest on?
Are you gonna be calling the World Cup at some point?
I would love to, Like there's a lot of action,
(23:25):
there's a lot of talent, but I'm called especially the
women's side. Like my highlighting the women's sidles. I was
actually calling a game from the San Diego WAVEFC Alex
Morgan obviously there's a prominent figure in the soccer world
called her match. She she scored a couple of goals.
So yeah, men's ruben soccer. If I can get on board,
I love to me and I've been you know what me,
I've been trying this for for a long long time.
(23:47):
So soon or Landers will get pap or I'm gonna
hit the wall and crash and burning the sunset. You
just you well, we're all The end game for all
of us is to crash him. The end game for
all of us. So just joy if you're having of course,
you have bills to pay, which is a problem, and
you just keep going. And my strategy is I just
keep doing it until someone says, here's a great job.
(24:09):
And then maybe at some point somebody will say that's
a great job. I mean, I have a good job
right now. I love what I do and uh, but
financially it'll be nice to have a better job. But
I but I enjoy yeah, what do Yeah? I mean
that's part of the reason why I've had to go
to Florida and other parts of the country to get
the work. Right, Like, I can't say to know the opportunities,
so I gotta jump at it, no matter how big
(24:30):
or how small. Well, how are we coming? Fox Sports Radio?
Now you don't know this, maybe because you've been gone,
But the great Ralph Irvin leaving Fox Sports Radio. I
had him on the fifth hour last week. He's relocating
the lost wages Nevada and he's out and man, and
you're you've been hanging out in the Sunshine State doing
(24:51):
your thing, during your soccer thing. I think, yeah, there's
a there's a shortage. Yeah, how much is gas? How
much just gas gases? Like four me five? Eight? Wow,
So it's like a dollar well, I don't know about
three dollars, but it's like it's got down a little bit,
but it's around it's like six in l a right
(25:12):
around there, six thirty. So it's like a buck fifty cheaper.
That's crazy, that's crazy. But yeah, weather is interesting. It's
obviously humid. Um a good CEO and Fort Lauderdon and
South Beach. Um, I've been around. I've been like Tampa,
been in New York. Um, you know, I was. I
(25:33):
was in New York for the fourth July and so
I've been. Yeah, I've been out in the Batman. It's uh,
it's good to be at least traveling and seen so
many people that were locked in in door sbreak couple
of years to get out and about so most flightlines
and whatnot, and just trying to try to live a
productive summer. You know, So what happened all You've always
had tons of other side gigs, like side hustles. Are
(25:54):
are those all on hold right now? Because you're no. No,
I'm still I'm still doing the European League of Football
stuff that's every Saturday and Sunday. Did that remotely wherever
I am? So I got my mixture and headset I am.
I'm producing for Todd Furrman and paying Insider at the
Board podcast. I'm producing for them. About that, I had
no idea. Look at that I've been doing. That's been Yeah,
(26:17):
I've been doing that for a couple of years. Um,
and then you and I have some stuff from the
works for possibly football August September, so waiting on the
winning on that and uh yeah, try to keep the
home fires warm. The last time I talked to you
on a on a professional level, I landed my first
job opportunities with FS one. I was doing FS one
(26:39):
college basketball in February and March. Yeah, I saw that.
I saw. Is that is that in the future as well?
You think it will call you back to do more
of those games? I hope. So, I mean, I liked
my effort and I liked what I did, so you know,
you get you get evaluated that stuff. But they got
tens and hundreds of thousands of guys in and out,
and uh yeah, you're just trying to stick, so hopefully
(27:01):
I stick. But as far important man, as far as
the soccer stuff though, like how difficult is It's one
thing I I've I've done a little. I've dabbled in
that world where you try to come up with antidotes
and stories and whatnot. For athletes, it's not that hard
if you you're calling a professional game where it's like
(27:22):
the Major League Baseball or the NFL. But if you're
doing the soccer here, how difficult is it? Defined information
on some of these cat Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean
I was doing I was doing games for like uh
I think gets A, Neva's, I was doing like Bermuda,
I was doing Cuba. I was doing all these clubs
(27:44):
internationally and they have little to know media guides, pronunciation
guides like I'm all over the internet and obviously the
United States that covered them. I covered Canada, um I
did in Mexico. So yeah, like finding info on these
cats is like a different nature. You're the only good
thing is is that what the copy cav and the
you twenty teams. These kids are all over social media,
(28:06):
so you like on their Instagram accounts and then find
out like where the training, what colleges they're going to,
um background stories like that on town teams and odd stuff.
So it's like a completely different beast. But yeah, I
take a lot more prep work. And that's the crazy thing, right,
You're doing all this prep work. Game time isn't that long?
Like what did I spend all my day on? So well,
(28:27):
you could also gamble that if the Internet does not
have any information on the player, you can then get
very creative. It can become a creative writing exercise. It's like,
you know, fiction versus nonfiction. You could go nonfiction, but
fiction would be so much more fun and you could
(28:48):
create wild bachelor's like I had Ken Levine, who you
know a little bit right, and I think you make
can the the old TV guy who did play by
playing the minor leagues. And Ken's a great guy, and
he talked about some of his stories calling minor league
games in Virginia and some other places and then he
got to the major leagues. But he talked about just
kind of just kind of letting it rip sometimes because
(29:10):
you didn't know much and nobody would you figure on
the small station, no one's listening. But you know, when
you're doing soccer, I would think, like I said, those
guys from far away lands, who's gonna call you on that?
You know what I'm saying. You know who's gonna you
could create the most amazing tale in the world about
some guy from a Ruba and it's probably no one
(29:31):
gonna gonna be able to say, wait a minute, that's
my brother's cousins, gardeners, barber, you know, or something like that. Yeah, yeah,
for sure. The problem is with social media's days, you
never know who's watching or listening, and so god forbid
I say one thing one time, it gets picked out
all the time. I go from like that aspiring you know,
(29:51):
expiring broadcaster to just like hung out the drive. No,
but you can say that this is a family makes
biscuits for a living. There don't a biscuits business. And
in their spare time they they also throw darts at
donkeys asses. You know, it's just throw throw random things
together and see, uh, let's see what works on that.
(30:14):
So you're all alone on these broadcast is you're you're
one you're one man band. Some of them I'm one
man band. Others I have a broadcast partner. So I'm
working tonight and uh I do not have a broadcast partner,
but over the weekend. I will have a couple of
broadcast partners. Well, I feel I feel I feel good
because what you told me that I feel like I
(30:37):
have a role in this. That the criticism that you
got from the angry, bitter wing of the Mallard militia
has prepared you for the soccer viewer to lob Molotov
cocktails your direction, that you are somehow prepared for this
(30:58):
then and you are able to It's like water off
a duck's back guescount right, you just who keeps you? Now?
You're you're getting paid. You're getting paid to do this.
And if people like it, great, if they don't like
and the the other thing too. I don't know if
this is on social media or not. And I learned
this years ago. When people are really rude to you
on social media, I usually just I don't go on
(31:19):
there much anymore. I'm hardly on social media much these
days other than for the show during the show, but
the rest of the time, I'm not on there much
at all. Um. But but anyway, so if somebody says
you some really nasty stuff, just lobs punches at you.
Nine out of ten times if you click on their
timeline on Twitter, they are doing the same thing to
(31:41):
seven thousand other people. Like whatever media they're consuming, they're
just going point by point, you suck, you blow your
horse shit, you all just going through all of that, right, right,
trying to attack everyone in their mother right. They have
nothing else to do. So, yeah, those are people that
have like little note followers and all of a sudden
they well, yeah when they say that, and see they've
(32:02):
never said stuff to your face. So at the end
of the day, yeah, whatever they think that in my
business anyways, less they're rent the checks, they can give
a rip exactly. And then remember, the mute button is
a wonderful tool, the mute, but not do not. But
I've had this conversation with Rob Parker. Rob Parker, the
colleague of ours here at Fox Sports Tradio. Rob will
go around and block everybody, and the block is a
(32:25):
victory for the purse. The mute button is a victory
for you. I can I cannot begin to tell you
how many people I have had put on mute over
the years, and they don't know it. They can. Some
of them continue to send me stuff. Uh and I
know that because they'll tag other people in it and
then somehow I'll click on it. But um, but the
(32:47):
mute button is wonderful. It's the great equal as so well,
it's it's necessary, and you know what, it's better that
way because those people just get off on any kind
of like retaliation as opposed to like, you know, obviously
you cut. I'm sure exactly. Now. A couple of years back,
you mentioned the Bakersfield played by play job that you took,
and you you took that team right to North Carolina
(33:10):
hundred years of how many years was that team around
of almost a hundred years? Yeah, yeah, we went out
of business. Center left, the left the California League and
uh yeah, onto greater pastures. Well, and Rob Manford just
tried he attempted to kill minor league baseball too. He
got rid of a bunch of teams for with the
(33:31):
forties something teams all eliminated because of that loser commissioner,
Rob Manford and stripping major League Baseball downam its guts
and then uh not worried about the Euston Astros and
so not worried about the Boston Red Side. Well, ironically
the Astros have been the downfall of that as well.
That that was the advice of the former general manager
(33:51):
of the Astros. That somebody baseball told me that, and
what was it, jeff lu Now is that the guy's name,
that Jeff lu Not Yeah, he was the guy that
said and the Astros were like, there's too many minor
league teams. Think how much more money we could make
if we got weird of these minor league teams. We
don't need the minor league teams. And he was able
to convince the low i Q Commissioner of Baseball, and
(34:15):
so they put they put all these teams in the
butcher shop, including there was a team in the High
Desert here in the Cali Lancaster that had been pretty
successful and nice, beautiful ballpark and all that. They went
out of business. They were living in the Cali High Desert.
Bakersfield by Sail was not in trouble, but they were. Hey,
(34:41):
major League Baseball, they do a lot of things I
don't undergree with, but that what happens. Come All Star
breaks with the Dodgers and hosting the All Star Game
this year, it's a little be different, saying, now, did
you see me on TV? I was on TV? I did,
I did? I did? Was a pleasant set to see
you with Marlin's Matt, And uh, yeah, I'm looking forward
to in the invitation come holiday season. Well, you're you're
(35:03):
closer to Marlin's man. He lives in Miami, so you
can go go to a Marlins game together and hang out.
I would like that. Maybe a phone call and every
party and its private yacht, that'd be fantastic. Yeah. Yeah,
it's horre. It's it's crazy, guest, because I'm not used
(35:23):
to being in that world that is that is more
west of the four oh five than east of the
four oh five, that that one percent world. But every
once in a while I'll get the call, which is
actually a text from Marlin's man. His name's Lawrence, and
he'll say, hey, I'm in town this weekend. I want
you to be my guest behind home play And yeah,
(35:46):
and you looked it up. Everything's free at charge. It's
like five star, first class seating, dining, the whole nine yards.
Well not everything. The booze is not free, but everything
else is free. Everything else is completely free. Did you
now a couple of a couple of years prior to
the Bakershield job, you had a chance, I think it
was actually was after to go to China, China and
(36:09):
do television in China. Yeah, you ever looked back and say,
if only I had gone to China, because you would
have been there during the global shutdown, that would have
been wonderful for you. Yes, yeah, it's been good. I
would have gotten I would have gotten me in coronavirus firsthand,
as opposed to getting in I'd say, so, yeah, I
(36:29):
would have been it has been right to the source.
So yeah, I don't look back on that anymore. But
thankfully did not take your advice and China for great job.
Well was the other The other job you advised you
asked me about was a job in West Virginia, if
I remember, Yeah, it was like wasn't it wasn't blue?
Was like blue something? I forget what it was. Yeah,
(36:51):
ten dollars an hour part time as an anchor. Well,
ten dollars an hour, though the houses at that time
I think cost fifteen dollars or two hours. You could
have afford to buy a house. I know. And now,
like the past spart a couple of years, I wouldn't
be able to form the fact that no one has
given raises and the cost of living and inflation sky high.
So well, I think, being back in Los Angeles, if
(37:13):
you if you want to enjoy the inflation, go to
one of these inflation calculators. Type in your salary because
chances are whatever you're getting paid is the same thing
you got paid fifteen years ago or twenty years ago.
And see how much further the dollar went in two
thousand three, or you know, even before that, as as
opposed to too now. I looked it up the other day.
(37:36):
Tiger Woods in six with Nike, before he won the
Masters for the first time, he got a contract for
forty million dollars from Nike. Intoday's money, that would the
spending power on that is seventy four millions almost doubled
(37:56):
in less in less than thirty years. It's almost double.
So in other words, if you might might or night
might or might not be a radio guy and you're
making the same money you made in n I believe
you've lost almost of your spending so well. I started
(38:17):
with iHeart in two thousand twelve, moved to Fox Sports
Radio in two thousand fourteen, and I have not had
a race since, so, yeah, is rather loud. Yeah, so
you've you've taken about a fifty cut in that overa
over the years there. But now you know, now you're
doing soccer. Now you're gonna be the big voice of
(38:38):
soccer somewhere. And oh man, what about play by play jobs?
What any play by play jobs opened up at yours?
Are you still applying for the big play by play
jobs of those? That's that's that's why I took the
soccer job in all play by play. So I've been
doing this like with a team though. Didn't you say
you wanted to do like a team play by play?
Like at some point that would be dream job to
(39:01):
work for a special team. I would like to, yes,
but nothing is like nothing is available right now, Like
everything has been off the market, everything like tied up. Yeah,
so it's been like awful to look at right now.
So yeah, I'm just man, I'm like, you know, I'm
(39:22):
I'm looking, I'm searching. Man, I'm doing everything I can.
That's pre damn sure. So it's no, I don't It'll
happen and then you'll tell stories about I can't believe
I did this crappy podcast back in the day. Look
at me now, you won't return phone calls. I know
how this goes. I'm aware of I produced a coasted
(39:43):
and I'm sure if I make it to the big
league ranks, we'll have to like some of you for
certain website links and for certain links to um broadcaster
material that other guys use that will not discuss on
this podcast. No, no, there are there are some sheet
codes that I learned many many years ago that certain
(40:03):
broadcasters use. Some of them Hall of Fame rocks, some
of them the best of the best broadcasters. That if
the general public knew the information that was available that
that some people may or may not pretend like they
got on their own, it would it would blow you away,
would blow you away. Ah well, listen, I guess un listen,
(40:23):
we wasted enough of your time. You've got a game
to call tonight, You've got preparation to do. But so
nice of you to come back on the podcast. Any
message for the Mallar Militia guest on any final thoughts,
just send a special shout out to Tammy and Rob
Stann of course I know that they'll be listening. And
then no, there's gonna catch up. It's a long time you,
(40:46):
looney Rob, I talk to you in a hot minute,
so it's good to uh, it's gonna catch up. Well,
next time you're in town now that you're Mr Florida,
let me know and we can plan get together. So
we'll we'll eat some cheap Mexican food, which is no
longer cheap, and then we'll we'll complain about this, that
(41:08):
and the other thing, which is normally how that goes
when we get together. We just complain about rainow things.
After a doctor game, of course, it's a day, all right.
There is the great David. Thank you Gascon you bet,
thanks Bet good a chat lea
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Ben Maller
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