February 6, 2026 • 20 mins
Ben Maller (produced by Danny G.) has a great Friday for you! "Live" from San Francisco, Ben talks Super Bowl 60 & is joined by former Chargers Linebacker, "Lights Out" Shawne Merriman!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kutbooms.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
In the air, Amyware The Fifth Hour with Me, Ben
Mahler and Danny g Radio A Happy Friday to you.
We are plausibly live from Radio Row in San Francisco
for Super Bowl sixty.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
On Sunday. I made my way to San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
We did the show the last couple of nights from
a secret remote studio far away, watching not that far
away from Radio Row. And then during the day come
in here and hang out and yappity yappity app got
here several hours ago. Is wandering around having some fun,
and oh what fun it is with different people that
(01:07):
I hadn't seen in a long time here at Radio Row.
As we hang out together. So we're gonna talk in
a few minutes. We're gonna have Sean Merriman, the former
Charger players, the defensive rookie of the Year in the
NFL many many years ago for the old San Diego Chargers,
and he is scheduled to stop by. We'll talk about
the super Bowl and who knows, So who else is
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going to pop up here? As we're just kind of
hanging out, people are wandering by and it's quite the scene.
Everyone's got an entourage. It's a dog and pony show
as it always is. And my favorite part is how
important everyone thinks they are. That is what I love.
I can't get enough of it. And people just strolling
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around like don't you know who I am? And there's dogs,
there's people with puppets. It is the ultimate dog and
pony show. As we hang out here now, I didn't
want to mention some of the some of the storylines
for this game, which I think we all know at
this point.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
The storylines, but the ones that we.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Talked about us on Benny Versus the Penny, which is
on YouTube Benny Vspenny. The matchup which is the public
and we talked about the on the YouTube show Benny
Versus the Penny at Benny Vspenny, but the matchup which
is the public loves Seattle laying the four and a
half points, and yet the wise guys, the professional gamblers,
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they're on the side of the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So there's a there's a pretty big split here.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
The only storyline that's gotten a ton of attention has
been Sam Donald and whether or not this is the
ultimate redemption story. I saw one headline and said the
greatest redemption in sports history as Sam Donald tries to
get her.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Done and win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
And you know what side I'm on, much to the
dismay of No streudenas it is a conundrum my position
on that.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
But we'll see what happens on Sun with the game.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Also, the other part of it, Drake May, is this
about to kickstart a Patriot dynasty? As Drake May returns
to to form. It is National bubblegum Day. We like
to celebrate the wacky holidays. Today is National bubble Gum.
Bubblegum Day and the first attempt at bubble gum was
back in nineteen o six. The great Frank Fleer invented
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the first bubble gum. However, it was not successful. It
was too sticky. Turned out to be too sticky. He
might have seen that in the movie or two. Over
the years. It was short lived. It was called Blibber.
Blubber was the first bubble gum, and then it was
about one hundred years ago, we're coming up one hundredth anniversary,
nineteen twenty eight, double Bubble. They figured it out some
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guy that worked at the Fleer Corporation, not Frank. He
screwed up with this guy Walter, and he came up
with the first marketable version of bubblegum, which was eventually
became duble Bubble.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
That was the beginning of it, and he I love
the story.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
The story very similar to the donut story that we
talked about in a previous episode of The Fifth Hour
long ago. That the reason bubble gum is pink and
we think of bubble gum as pink is because the
guy that made the first successful bubblegum, this guy Walter,
used pink dye because that's all.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
That he had available. That was it.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
It's kind of like the donut boxes. Bakery boxes are pink.
The reason they're pink is because the people that made
the donuts in southern California, they could get that paper
cheaper because it was actually it was supposed to be red,
and then the color was off a little bit. And
it's like when nobody really wanted pink boxes, and so
they got those at a discount rate. And thus bake
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goods are supposed to be in a pink box. And
so bubble gum. They could have gone purple, they could
have gone blue. There's a couple of different directions. They
could have gone for the bubble gum, but they chose
to go with the pink because that's all they had
at the time. That's it, that's all, and so they
went for it. Now, one of the other things here
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is we get back to the Fifth Hour podcast. Here
as the Seahawks and Patriots on Sunday, and there's people
walking around staring at me right now, which I absolutely
you know.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I can't get enough of that. I'm all about that action, boss.
But meanwhile, the Seahawks at four and a half to five,
depending on which sportsbook you look at. I think on
DraftKings last I checked, there a four and a half
point favorite. Dating back to Super Bowl thirty, so thirty
years there have been sixteen Super Bowls that have ended
up with a spread of four and a half or
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more so, it's happened sixteen times, and the underdog is
twelve too and two against the spread in those games.
So that's the deal on that. And they've covered seven
in a row. So that tells you what has happened,
not what's going to happen. But if you look at it,
the last few times a team has been favored with
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the spread of four and a half or more, you
get the Benals back in the Super Bowl against the
Rams and they covered the spread on that Rams won
Eagles in Super Bowl fifty two against the Patriots, they
won that game by over a touchdown, and he had
the Broncos with Peyton Manning, although he didn't do anything.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
In that game against Carolina and Cam Newton.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So those are some of the recent Super Bowls where
a team has been favored the underdog has ended up
coming out ahead.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
All right right now making their way over here.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
And there's a Sean Merriman, better known by his nickname
lights Out, who played in the NFL for the Chargers.
Came into the NFL in five for the old San
Diego Chargers and then ended up finishing his career. Finished
his career fourteen years ago in Buffalo it spent a
couple of years in Buffalo. I think he was hurt
most of that time, but he was the defensive rookie
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of the Year and the Pro Bowl back when that mattered,
they actually tried to play in the Pro Bowl, made
it all Pro team. And we welcome in now the
man known as lights out. We welcome in Sean Merriman.
And Sean, why don't we start with this. I just
saw you ran into Coveno and rich over there. Uh
and and there was a handshake.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Delio.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I'm trying to figure out what that was all about. Sean,
can you explain? Can you walk me through what exactly
took place there? As there were there were cameras out,
there were people posing give me the inside skinny on.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
That we go back from from the media days. Okay,
well we got we got this thing.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
We always used to mess up the handshake. Okay, we
couldn't get it right.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yeah, for years, every time I seen him, we always
mess up the handshake.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Okay, that's what that was. Just now we got handshaked down. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I captured the moment when when Sean was coming over
with there was the there was a pause. They pulled
out the camera and then the handshake. Yeah we got
it right on stuff right, So you.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Do this every year, Radio Rod.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
This is your thing here, it is man and for me,
you of being a retired guy, you get a chance
to see some of the guys you play with. Sure,
sure some of the ones you played against and share
those old stories and things like that. But most importantly,
like you know, seeing some of the young guys like
Justin Jefferson. I never met him in person, and you
know when he came to me and said he was
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a big and I told him I was a fan.
He said he was a big fan. So you don't
know how much the younger guys watch the older So
it's always cool to come across you know, guys like that.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
What's your on the scale of one to ten, what's
your level in the Super Bowl? Because I've only been
here a couple of days, but I've been here, Like
there's not a lot of buzz about it where you at.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
But but you know why because if the star quarterbacks
aren't you know, there's no Patrick Mahomes for the first
time in how many years, no Joe Burrow. There's nobody
that the you know, public is excited about sure, But
to me being a former player, there's a lot of stories,
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like a lot of cool stuff in this game.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
So I like it.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
And by the way, I think the NFL needs it,
do you really? But what light needs to be shined
somewhere else? Because you know that Joe Burrow's gonna be
back to make Josh Allen's gonna be back to me,
all those guys are coming.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Okay, all right, I got you. I got you.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
So six seven a scale.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Of one to ten, where are you I'm at it?
I'm at a seven seven. I'm a little lower. I'm
a little really, man, how low I'm like in a five.
I feel like it's just kind of five.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I'm excited to be here. I'm just said a five.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So you have well, I need this, like the personalities,
like I don't feel like we have that, and some
of these guys could become that, but right now, that's
to me, that's the secret ingredient that's missing. We've always
had even you mentioned the quarterbacks, but we've had, you know,
Travis Kelsey's obviously he's got his own whole entertainment thing
going on. There's always been other people too that have
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been stars. I don't really get that sense.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
No, I mean you look on both sides of the ball.
There's not one star. Yeah, I mean I'm not I'm
not taking a shot at anybody. Yeah, but you know,
Sam Donald's played for five teams.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, he's first time since Chris Chandler somebody's played on
five teams and then made the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Almost never happen.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Almost never happened. Yeah. Again, we talked about storylines. I
like that point.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Okay, are you buying Sam Donald's redemption story or is
this are we getting ahead of ourselves on that he's
now arrived and he's gonna be a good quarterback for
the next five years in the NFL. You can just
forget about worry about Sam Donald.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Well, we're gonna find out.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
We're gonna find out because you know he's folded in
big situations before.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Right, And I think the Patriots one of the best
defenses he's going to see. And we know that when
Sam Donald gets hit, he gets inaccurate, he starts making mistakes,
turn the ball over and so and the Patriots can
do that.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So well, we'll see.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
But if he does, I think it may go down
as one of the greatest stories ever because he's gotten
out of the locker room or the building, out of
all these other franchises and found a way to win
a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
So this will probably, I would think, is going to
inspire if he does. If they do get it done right,
every quarterback that's been bounced around like a fruitcake at Christmas,
it's going to end up keep They're gonna keep you
in work.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
This is the copycat league.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Right, that's what they said.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
So this copy oft and all that. What about the Patriots?
Now they played historically. I know you've Albay talked about
it this week, but the easiest schedule, like arguably since
the seventies.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
As a player, does.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
That factor in when you know you get to the
end of the year here that you didn't really get
tested that much?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Man, you know, I get it.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
It's easy for other people to say about schedule being easy. Yeah,
as a player, we know that the wrong team and
the right day wake up and they want to play,
they can they can beat you.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
So we never looked at it like that.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Now, if you got a less qualified or less competitive team,
you can say that. But when they say easy, I'm like, dude,
that dude over there across from you, it's still was
as big ten, all Big ten or all acc and
you know, probably a Pro Bowl player as well. So
it's like, I don't look at it as being easy anywhere.
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When you talk about the NFL.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Now, one of the other stys this week, people are
freaking out because Tom Brady did not endorse the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So what are your thoughts on you? You played for
the Chargers, mister charge.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
If the Chargers got to the Super Bowl next year,
and maybe you were working for some other NFL team
or something, what would your position be on on that?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
If you're Tom, what can you do? You own part
of a team that's any AFC. You're also a broadcaster,
so you have to remain neutral.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
You get what I'm saying, And so well, plus he's
hiring the Seahawks offensive coordinator. Everyone seems to think that
he's going to be the head coach of the Raiders,
so he's got too Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
But look at it if you're Tom in Tom position,
he didn't say I'm rooting against him.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah right, well, but he didn't. By not saying it,
he obviously is like I get it, and I understand.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
And I know that Tom still has love for the
Patriots and the Patriots fans and stuff like that, but
he's stuck in business wise, he's stuck in a very
very difficult position to be rooting for a team that
you against, you own part up in the.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
A SEC.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
And also you're broadcaster that has to remain neutral when
you're talking about things.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, and he's getting buried by the way these people
are like, oh my god, it's like the Patriot people
are not happy.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Look, if God forbid, if I go own a part
of you know, the Buffalo Bill.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Everybody know that I'm a Chargers for life.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Yeah, but it's about the Buffalo Bills and that's it.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
As al as the Church, I know they've been in
LA a while now.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I started in radio in San Diego with the.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
In the nineties when they got They had good teams
back then.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
But how have you justin It's crazy to me there's
still the La Charges.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It was awkward.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
It was a little bit of a shock early on,
especially when he was in stub Hub, the.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Smaller the soccer stadium before he moved up. That was weird.
That was awkward. Yeah, that was that was weird.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
You know, when they got to lay they drafted Justin Herbert.
It's almost like they rebuilt the fan base again with
just more LA style.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah. It's gonna take a while though, right, I mean,
it's it takes years to do that.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Even if you do, LA is still a melting pot
for everybody. Yeah, so you're gonna have Denver Bronco jerseys
out there. You're gonna have Kana City jersey. God for bid.
They played a still as you can forget about it.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
It's over.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Yeah, it's a still at home game. I was at
that the game, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
It was more terrible towels and swinging around. Don't know
there were that many these Pittsburgh people in l A.
I had no idea that there were little people.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
It's wild craziness.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Now as far as back to the Super Bowl, So
Drake may breakthrough a season this year?
Speaker 4 (14:21):
You know, are you buying that?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Are you? Is? This?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Is this one going to be in the upper echelon
for the next couple of years?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Are we going to hear the name Drake May in
the upper crust of quarterbacks or was this more of
an aberration this you?
Speaker 5 (14:33):
In my opinion, I'm not with this this new school
of crowning guys off of having one good year. Okay,
I'm just not more. I gotta see more. And then
he has two and three years. Then I was starting
to categorize him as that top at that top tier
quarterback and this maybe this is the the athlete me
seeing the younger guy coming in like I'm not I'm
not giving you credit.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
You gotta earn it. Yeah. Yeah, but I.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Do think that, you know, all the other guys have
more years and experience. Then to put him up there
just because he had a really good year.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Isn't that some of his changes?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I feel like in the last five or ten years,
like guys have gotten massive contracts before they've actually established
themselves as big time legit guys.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah you agree that one.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, even like Trevor Lawrence. I know
Jackson Well haught to get you this year, but he
was really wobbly.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
He got paid big honey.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
And by the way, I was wrong in that because
I was one of the one of the loudest ones saying,
how was he gonna get fifty plus million a year?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, they haven't won anything. Yeah, And he came back
and they had a really good season. But again that's
just kind of where the where the market is now,
so you can't really go against that.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah, what about now you look around and the money
flying around in the NFL and all that. The salary cap.
I'm a salary cap truther. I think it's vugazy. You
as a former player, like I can think of manipulate
the numbers and all that if they want, But what's
your position?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Well that's what the gms are there for.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Assistant gms them punching the calculators.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, and they are to try to figure out the
wiggle rum and what you can do. But the salary
cap just went up again. Yeah, yeah, every year it
goes up.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
But this is my biggest problem with the salary cap
is there's such a big gap between the quarterback position
and everybody else.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
That part.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
I think they need to they need to figure out quick.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
What will you you're the commission what are you going
to do? Though?
Speaker 5 (16:18):
I separate them where the quarterback paid don't go against
the Cali salary.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Cap, so they have their own class.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
That's what I would do because I just don't play
in the game, and I played with Philip Rivers.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I played with great quarterback.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
I just think that there's more to it than just
one player, right, and that one player, as great as
he can be, I can't really reach the pinnacle without
having other great players around them, or players who are
capable of making plays. I think they should separate their
salary cap.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
To somewhere else. They can do it.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
They do what they want, right, They manipulated all that.
Philip Urbs came back this year. That was that was interesting.
Did you talk to him at all that you give
me any advice?
Speaker 5 (16:57):
We uh, you know, I just was talking to Breeze
over there so doing Antonio Gates's Hall of Fame induction
and canton We were all together, Me, Gates, uh Ladani
and Thomas, He and Drew United.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, we were all circled up in my Phil.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
We were all circled up and talking and you just
felt from Phil because he's always animated and passion like
when he's talking, he's it's like he can he's elevated.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yah.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was talking in the present sense
of still football.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
And I didn't understand it at the time because we
all all of us like, yeah, you remember the time
we we it wasn't a conversation like that with Peel,
so I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I wasn't surprised when he came back.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Okay, and uh, I guess the quarter and they don't
call guys like you do they.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I mean, these only quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And I feel like, no, there's really maybe offensive line,
maybe offensive line.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
But maybe offensive line, but also too probably you know,
maybe five or six years after I retired, I still
probably could have came back and played.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Yeah, Now you start getting beyond that. It's just not safe.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
You feel your age now?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah yeah, in the football ways, yeah, you know.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
And I feel great now and I want to keep
I'm going to keep it.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Look like you're an amazing Shay. I feel like it
until I get out there. Yeah yeah, I got you. Now.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
As far as the Chargers in general, your former team.
There another playoff team, but they didn't get it done
in the playoffs. And it's starting to become a pattern
with the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Is that is that.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Legit he's got to he's got to get it done
in the playoffs, and he's not.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
You know.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
The thing is justin Herbert is always gonna have that
dark cloud over him until he gets to the next level.
And the reason why is because he's more than capable
of doing it. But they've had some unforeseen circumstances with injuries.
And I'm not even used as an excuse because if
you have one or two guys to go down, you know,
for several weeks and they come back and play. They've
had their main guys, the two best tackles in football
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go down for the year.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
I mean, if you're Jim Hollbuck and you're playing all
these plays and all this, you're putting everything in before
the season started, your two best offensive players go down
outside of Justin Herbert, they go down.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
That's hard to figure out.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, I know it is. It is.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
They got a new offensive coordinator now, the former Dolphins
coach is coming in, so we'll see they're gonna change
the offense dramatically.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
You think this year, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
And I don't want to take a shot at Great
Grumman at all because I think he's a good run
game coordinator.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
I think he's really good passing out so much, but
the passing not so much. And I think that Mike
McDaniels offered them, you know, that level of explosion that
they need. I mean, they didn't have a bunch of
big plays this.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Year, gotcha? Gotcha?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And now as far as the Super Bowl, and I'm
sure you've passed a million times, this week will be
the latest to ask you prediction.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Do we have a prediction? Who do you think it's
going to be the champion at the end of Sunday night.
I'm going with Seattle.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
And then it's easier to say Seattle because on paper
they're fit.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Right, you think it'll be closer, you think I think
the first half is going to be closed. In one
thing that a lot of people are not talking about
enough this game is the special teams Yeah of Seattle.
When you got when you got a special teams group
who can we got a special teams group who can score?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It changes the game.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
One one block punt is somebody return o return kickoff
or return punt changes everything about a football game.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And that's if it's close.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
And and that's why I think that Seattle can start
to separate them and I think they'll win by ten.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
All right?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
And you were here not just to hang out with
us and be nice, are you? Why explain to the
people listening here? Why what brought you here.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
To Radio Row. Yeah, I come here, you know every year.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
And you know we got Light toop, Extreme Fight, Mimama Organization.
You know, we just signed a deal with ESPN Latin America.
Is a big deal for us. Now to the UFC's
over the massive deal O yeah, yeah for sure. And
they had a great card coming out the Gate on pairamount.
So it's been great man, because we know we got
the next up and coming superstars of the sport.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You got the next generation mind up ready to go. Absolutely,
thank you so much for coming out. I appreciate it.
You gotta thank you got a murder.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I gotta go.
Kutbooms.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
If you thought four hours a day, twelve hundred minutes
a week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants
of the old republic, a sol fashion of fairness. He
treats crackheads in the ghetto gutter the same as the
rich pill poppers in the penthouse. Wow to Clearinghouse of
hot takes, break free for something Special. The Fifth Hour
(00:23):
with Ben Maller starts right now.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
In the air, Amyware The Fifth Hour with Me, Ben
Mahler and Danny g Radio A Happy Friday to you.
We are plausibly live from Radio Row in San Francisco
for Super Bowl sixty.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
On Sunday. I made my way to San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
We did the show the last couple of nights from
a secret remote studio far away, watching not that far
away from Radio Row. And then during the day come
in here and hang out and yappity yappity app got
here several hours ago. Is wandering around having some fun,
and oh what fun it is with different people that
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I hadn't seen in a long time here at Radio Row.
As we hang out together. So we're gonna talk in
a few minutes. We're gonna have Sean Merriman, the former
Charger players, the defensive rookie of the Year in the
NFL many many years ago for the old San Diego Chargers,
and he is scheduled to stop by. We'll talk about
the super Bowl and who knows, So who else is
(01:28):
going to pop up here? As we're just kind of
hanging out, people are wandering by and it's quite the scene.
Everyone's got an entourage. It's a dog and pony show
as it always is. And my favorite part is how
important everyone thinks they are. That is what I love.
I can't get enough of it. And people just strolling
(01:49):
around like don't you know who I am? And there's dogs,
there's people with puppets. It is the ultimate dog and
pony show. As we hang out here now, I didn't
want to mention some of the some of the storylines
for this game, which I think we all know at
this point.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
The storylines, but the ones that we.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Talked about us on Benny Versus the Penny, which is
on YouTube Benny Vspenny. The matchup which is the public
and we talked about the on the YouTube show Benny
Versus the Penny at Benny Vspenny, but the matchup which
is the public loves Seattle laying the four and a
half points, and yet the wise guys, the professional gamblers,
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they're on the side of the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So there's a there's a pretty big split here.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
The only storyline that's gotten a ton of attention has
been Sam Donald and whether or not this is the
ultimate redemption story. I saw one headline and said the
greatest redemption in sports history as Sam Donald tries to
get her.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Done and win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
And you know what side I'm on, much to the
dismay of No streudenas it is a conundrum my position
on that.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
But we'll see what happens on Sun with the game.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Also, the other part of it, Drake May, is this
about to kickstart a Patriot dynasty? As Drake May returns
to to form. It is National bubblegum Day. We like
to celebrate the wacky holidays. Today is National bubble Gum.
Bubblegum Day and the first attempt at bubble gum was
back in nineteen o six. The great Frank Fleer invented
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the first bubble gum. However, it was not successful. It
was too sticky. Turned out to be too sticky. He
might have seen that in the movie or two. Over
the years. It was short lived. It was called Blibber.
Blubber was the first bubble gum, and then it was
about one hundred years ago, we're coming up one hundredth anniversary,
nineteen twenty eight, double Bubble. They figured it out some
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guy that worked at the Fleer Corporation, not Frank. He
screwed up with this guy Walter, and he came up
with the first marketable version of bubblegum, which was eventually
became duble Bubble.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
That was the beginning of it, and he I love
the story.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
The story very similar to the donut story that we
talked about in a previous episode of The Fifth Hour
long ago. That the reason bubble gum is pink and
we think of bubble gum as pink is because the
guy that made the first successful bubblegum, this guy Walter,
used pink dye because that's all.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
That he had available. That was it.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
It's kind of like the donut boxes. Bakery boxes are pink.
The reason they're pink is because the people that made
the donuts in southern California, they could get that paper
cheaper because it was actually it was supposed to be red,
and then the color was off a little bit. And
it's like when nobody really wanted pink boxes, and so
they got those at a discount rate. And thus bake
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goods are supposed to be in a pink box. And
so bubble gum. They could have gone purple, they could
have gone blue. There's a couple of different directions. They
could have gone for the bubble gum, but they chose
to go with the pink because that's all they had
at the time. That's it, that's all, and so they
went for it. Now, one of the other things here
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is we get back to the Fifth Hour podcast. Here
as the Seahawks and Patriots on Sunday, and there's people
walking around staring at me right now, which I absolutely
you know.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I can't get enough of that. I'm all about that action, boss.
But meanwhile, the Seahawks at four and a half to five,
depending on which sportsbook you look at. I think on
DraftKings last I checked, there a four and a half
point favorite. Dating back to Super Bowl thirty, so thirty
years there have been sixteen Super Bowls that have ended
up with a spread of four and a half or
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more so, it's happened sixteen times, and the underdog is
twelve too and two against the spread in those games.
So that's the deal on that. And they've covered seven
in a row. So that tells you what has happened,
not what's going to happen. But if you look at it,
the last few times a team has been favored with
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the spread of four and a half or more, you
get the Benals back in the Super Bowl against the
Rams and they covered the spread on that Rams won
Eagles in Super Bowl fifty two against the Patriots, they
won that game by over a touchdown, and he had
the Broncos with Peyton Manning, although he didn't do anything.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
In that game against Carolina and Cam Newton.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So those are some of the recent Super Bowls where
a team has been favored the underdog has ended up
coming out ahead.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
All right right now making their way over here.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
And there's a Sean Merriman, better known by his nickname
lights Out, who played in the NFL for the Chargers.
Came into the NFL in five for the old San
Diego Chargers and then ended up finishing his career. Finished
his career fourteen years ago in Buffalo it spent a
couple of years in Buffalo. I think he was hurt
most of that time, but he was the defensive rookie
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of the Year and the Pro Bowl back when that mattered,
they actually tried to play in the Pro Bowl, made
it all Pro team. And we welcome in now the
man known as lights out. We welcome in Sean Merriman.
And Sean, why don't we start with this. I just
saw you ran into Coveno and rich over there. Uh
and and there was a handshake.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Delio.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I'm trying to figure out what that was all about. Sean,
can you explain? Can you walk me through what exactly
took place there? As there were there were cameras out,
there were people posing give me the inside skinny on.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
That we go back from from the media days. Okay,
well we got we got this thing.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
We always used to mess up the handshake. Okay, we
couldn't get it right.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yeah, for years, every time I seen him, we always
mess up the handshake.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Okay, that's what that was. Just now we got handshaked down. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I captured the moment when when Sean was coming over
with there was the there was a pause. They pulled
out the camera and then the handshake. Yeah we got
it right on stuff right, So you.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Do this every year, Radio Rod.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
This is your thing here, it is man and for me,
you of being a retired guy, you get a chance
to see some of the guys you play with. Sure,
sure some of the ones you played against and share
those old stories and things like that. But most importantly,
like you know, seeing some of the young guys like
Justin Jefferson. I never met him in person, and you
know when he came to me and said he was
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a big and I told him I was a fan.
He said he was a big fan. So you don't
know how much the younger guys watch the older So
it's always cool to come across you know, guys like that.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
What's your on the scale of one to ten, what's
your level in the Super Bowl? Because I've only been
here a couple of days, but I've been here, Like
there's not a lot of buzz about it where you at.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
But but you know why because if the star quarterbacks
aren't you know, there's no Patrick Mahomes for the first
time in how many years, no Joe Burrow. There's nobody
that the you know, public is excited about sure, But
to me being a former player, there's a lot of stories,
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like a lot of cool stuff in this game.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
So I like it.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
And by the way, I think the NFL needs it,
do you really? But what light needs to be shined
somewhere else? Because you know that Joe Burrow's gonna be
back to make Josh Allen's gonna be back to me,
all those guys are coming.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Okay, all right, I got you. I got you.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
So six seven a scale.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Of one to ten, where are you I'm at it?
I'm at a seven seven. I'm a little lower. I'm
a little really, man, how low I'm like in a five.
I feel like it's just kind of five.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I'm excited to be here. I'm just said a five.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So you have well, I need this, like the personalities,
like I don't feel like we have that, and some
of these guys could become that, but right now, that's
to me, that's the secret ingredient that's missing. We've always
had even you mentioned the quarterbacks, but we've had, you know,
Travis Kelsey's obviously he's got his own whole entertainment thing
going on. There's always been other people too that have
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been stars. I don't really get that sense.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
No, I mean you look on both sides of the ball.
There's not one star. Yeah, I mean I'm not I'm
not taking a shot at anybody. Yeah, but you know,
Sam Donald's played for five teams.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, he's first time since Chris Chandler somebody's played on
five teams and then made the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Almost never happen.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Almost never happened. Yeah. Again, we talked about storylines. I
like that point.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Okay, are you buying Sam Donald's redemption story or is
this are we getting ahead of ourselves on that he's
now arrived and he's gonna be a good quarterback for
the next five years in the NFL. You can just
forget about worry about Sam Donald.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Well, we're gonna find out.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
We're gonna find out because you know he's folded in
big situations before.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Right, And I think the Patriots one of the best
defenses he's going to see. And we know that when
Sam Donald gets hit, he gets inaccurate, he starts making mistakes,
turn the ball over and so and the Patriots can
do that.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So well, we'll see.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
But if he does, I think it may go down
as one of the greatest stories ever because he's gotten
out of the locker room or the building, out of
all these other franchises and found a way to win
a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
So this will probably, I would think, is going to
inspire if he does. If they do get it done right,
every quarterback that's been bounced around like a fruitcake at Christmas,
it's going to end up keep They're gonna keep you
in work.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
This is the copycat league.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Right, that's what they said.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
So this copy oft and all that. What about the Patriots?
Now they played historically. I know you've Albay talked about
it this week, but the easiest schedule, like arguably since
the seventies.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
As a player, does.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
That factor in when you know you get to the
end of the year here that you didn't really get
tested that much?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Man, you know, I get it.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
It's easy for other people to say about schedule being easy. Yeah,
as a player, we know that the wrong team and
the right day wake up and they want to play,
they can they can beat you.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
So we never looked at it like that.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Now, if you got a less qualified or less competitive team,
you can say that. But when they say easy, I'm like, dude,
that dude over there across from you, it's still was
as big ten, all Big ten or all acc and
you know, probably a Pro Bowl player as well. So
it's like, I don't look at it as being easy anywhere.
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When you talk about the NFL.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Now, one of the other stys this week, people are
freaking out because Tom Brady did not endorse the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So what are your thoughts on you? You played for
the Chargers, mister charge.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
If the Chargers got to the Super Bowl next year,
and maybe you were working for some other NFL team
or something, what would your position be on on that?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
If you're Tom, what can you do? You own part
of a team that's any AFC. You're also a broadcaster,
so you have to remain neutral.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
You get what I'm saying, And so well, plus he's
hiring the Seahawks offensive coordinator. Everyone seems to think that
he's going to be the head coach of the Raiders,
so he's got too Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
But look at it if you're Tom in Tom position,
he didn't say I'm rooting against him.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah right, well, but he didn't. By not saying it,
he obviously is like I get it, and I understand.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
And I know that Tom still has love for the
Patriots and the Patriots fans and stuff like that, but
he's stuck in business wise, he's stuck in a very
very difficult position to be rooting for a team that
you against, you own part up in the.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
A SEC.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
And also you're broadcaster that has to remain neutral when
you're talking about things.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, and he's getting buried by the way these people
are like, oh my god, it's like the Patriot people
are not happy.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Look, if God forbid, if I go own a part
of you know, the Buffalo Bill.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Everybody know that I'm a Chargers for life.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Yeah, but it's about the Buffalo Bills and that's it.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
As al as the Church, I know they've been in
LA a while now.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I started in radio in San Diego with the.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
In the nineties when they got They had good teams
back then.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
But how have you justin It's crazy to me there's
still the La Charges.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It was awkward.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
It was a little bit of a shock early on,
especially when he was in stub Hub, the.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Smaller the soccer stadium before he moved up. That was weird.
That was awkward. Yeah, that was that was weird.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
You know, when they got to lay they drafted Justin Herbert.
It's almost like they rebuilt the fan base again with
just more LA style.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah. It's gonna take a while though, right, I mean,
it's it takes years to do that.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Even if you do, LA is still a melting pot
for everybody. Yeah, so you're gonna have Denver Bronco jerseys
out there. You're gonna have Kana City jersey. God for bid.
They played a still as you can forget about it.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
It's over.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Yeah, it's a still at home game. I was at
that the game, and yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
It was more terrible towels and swinging around. Don't know
there were that many these Pittsburgh people in l A.
I had no idea that there were little people.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
It's wild craziness.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Now as far as back to the Super Bowl, So
Drake may breakthrough a season this year?
Speaker 4 (14:21):
You know, are you buying that?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Are you? Is? This?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Is this one going to be in the upper echelon
for the next couple of years?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Are we going to hear the name Drake May in
the upper crust of quarterbacks or was this more of
an aberration this you?
Speaker 5 (14:33):
In my opinion, I'm not with this this new school
of crowning guys off of having one good year. Okay,
I'm just not more. I gotta see more. And then
he has two and three years. Then I was starting
to categorize him as that top at that top tier
quarterback and this maybe this is the the athlete me
seeing the younger guy coming in like I'm not I'm
not giving you credit.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
You gotta earn it. Yeah. Yeah, but I.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Do think that, you know, all the other guys have
more years and experience. Then to put him up there
just because he had a really good year.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Isn't that some of his changes?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I feel like in the last five or ten years,
like guys have gotten massive contracts before they've actually established
themselves as big time legit guys.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah you agree that one.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, even like Trevor Lawrence. I know
Jackson Well haught to get you this year, but he
was really wobbly.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
He got paid big honey.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
And by the way, I was wrong in that because
I was one of the one of the loudest ones saying,
how was he gonna get fifty plus million a year?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, they haven't won anything. Yeah, And he came back
and they had a really good season. But again that's
just kind of where the where the market is now,
so you can't really go against that.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah, what about now you look around and the money
flying around in the NFL and all that. The salary cap.
I'm a salary cap truther. I think it's vugazy. You
as a former player, like I can think of manipulate
the numbers and all that if they want, But what's
your position?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Well that's what the gms are there for.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Assistant gms them punching the calculators.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, and they are to try to figure out the
wiggle rum and what you can do. But the salary
cap just went up again. Yeah, yeah, every year it
goes up.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
But this is my biggest problem with the salary cap
is there's such a big gap between the quarterback position
and everybody else.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
That part.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
I think they need to they need to figure out quick.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
What will you you're the commission what are you going
to do? Though?
Speaker 5 (16:18):
I separate them where the quarterback paid don't go against
the Cali salary.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Cap, so they have their own class.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
That's what I would do because I just don't play
in the game, and I played with Philip Rivers.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I played with great quarterback.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
I just think that there's more to it than just
one player, right, and that one player, as great as
he can be, I can't really reach the pinnacle without
having other great players around them, or players who are
capable of making plays. I think they should separate their
salary cap.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
To somewhere else. They can do it.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
They do what they want, right, They manipulated all that.
Philip Urbs came back this year. That was that was interesting.
Did you talk to him at all that you give
me any advice?
Speaker 5 (16:57):
We uh, you know, I just was talking to Breeze
over there so doing Antonio Gates's Hall of Fame induction
and canton We were all together, Me, Gates, uh Ladani
and Thomas, He and Drew United.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, we were all circled up in my Phil.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
We were all circled up and talking and you just
felt from Phil because he's always animated and passion like
when he's talking, he's it's like he can he's elevated.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yah.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was talking in the present sense
of still football.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
And I didn't understand it at the time because we
all all of us like, yeah, you remember the time
we we it wasn't a conversation like that with Peel,
so I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I wasn't surprised when he came back.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Okay, and uh, I guess the quarter and they don't
call guys like you do they.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I mean, these only quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And I feel like, no, there's really maybe offensive line,
maybe offensive line.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
But maybe offensive line, but also too probably you know,
maybe five or six years after I retired, I still
probably could have came back and played.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Yeah, Now you start getting beyond that. It's just not safe.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
You feel your age now?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah yeah, in the football ways, yeah, you know.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
And I feel great now and I want to keep
I'm going to keep it.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Look like you're an amazing Shay. I feel like it
until I get out there. Yeah yeah, I got you. Now.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
As far as the Chargers in general, your former team.
There another playoff team, but they didn't get it done
in the playoffs. And it's starting to become a pattern
with the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Is that is that.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Legit he's got to he's got to get it done
in the playoffs, and he's not.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
You know.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
The thing is justin Herbert is always gonna have that
dark cloud over him until he gets to the next level.
And the reason why is because he's more than capable
of doing it. But they've had some unforeseen circumstances with injuries.
And I'm not even used as an excuse because if
you have one or two guys to go down, you know,
for several weeks and they come back and play. They've
had their main guys, the two best tackles in football
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go down for the year.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
I mean, if you're Jim Hollbuck and you're playing all
these plays and all this, you're putting everything in before
the season started, your two best offensive players go down
outside of Justin Herbert, they go down.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
That's hard to figure out.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, I know it is. It is.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
They got a new offensive coordinator now, the former Dolphins
coach is coming in, so we'll see they're gonna change
the offense dramatically.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
You think this year, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
And I don't want to take a shot at Great
Grumman at all because I think he's a good run
game coordinator.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
I think he's really good passing out so much, but
the passing not so much. And I think that Mike
McDaniels offered them, you know, that level of explosion that
they need. I mean, they didn't have a bunch of
big plays this.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Year, gotcha? Gotcha?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And now as far as the Super Bowl, and I'm
sure you've passed a million times, this week will be
the latest to ask you prediction.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Do we have a prediction? Who do you think it's
going to be the champion at the end of Sunday night.
I'm going with Seattle.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
And then it's easier to say Seattle because on paper
they're fit.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Right, you think it'll be closer, you think I think
the first half is going to be closed. In one
thing that a lot of people are not talking about
enough this game is the special teams Yeah of Seattle.
When you got when you got a special teams group
who can we got a special teams group who can score?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It changes the game.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
One one block punt is somebody return o return kickoff
or return punt changes everything about a football game.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And that's if it's close.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
And and that's why I think that Seattle can start
to separate them and I think they'll win by ten.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
All right?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
And you were here not just to hang out with
us and be nice, are you? Why explain to the
people listening here? Why what brought you here.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
To Radio Row. Yeah, I come here, you know every year.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
And you know we got Light toop, Extreme Fight, Mimama Organization.
You know, we just signed a deal with ESPN Latin America.
Is a big deal for us. Now to the UFC's
over the massive deal O yeah, yeah for sure. And
they had a great card coming out the Gate on pairamount.
So it's been great man, because we know we got
the next up and coming superstars of the sport.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You got the next generation mind up ready to go. Absolutely,
thank you so much for coming out. I appreciate it.
You gotta thank you got a murder.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I gotta go.
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