3 & Out - BLOCKBUSTER NFL Trade Day: Myles Garrett to LA Rams, AJ Brown to New England + NFL Offseason Mailbag

On this episode of 3 & Out, John Middlekauff reacts to one of the wildest days of the NFL offseason. The Los Angeles Rams make a blockbuster move by acquiring Myles Garrett, instantly changing the outlook of the NFC and adding another superstar to an already talented roster.

John also breaks down the not so stunning A.J. Brown-to-Patriots trade and what it means for both franchises. How did New England pull it off, and what does the move mean for the Eagles moving forward?

Plus, the New York Giants bring Odell Beckham Jr. back to the Big Apple while concerns continue to swirl around Malik Nabers’ knee. John discusses what both developments mean for the Giants as they look to build a competitive offense.

The episode also features another installment of Dad Diaries, as John shares his experience surviving the dreaded four-month sleep regression and the realities of life with a young baby.

To wrap things up, it’s the Middlekauff Mailbag, with John answering your questions and covering the biggest topics from around the NFL and beyond.

From blockbuster trades to personal stories and everything in between, it’s all covered on this episode of 3 & Out.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume What is going on Everybody? John Middlecoff Three
and Out podcast, What a day in the National Football League.

(00:22):
We had trades galore, one of the biggest trades, feels like,
in the history of the NFL. Miles Garrett to the Rams,
Oh yeah, and the Eagles trade at A. J. Brown
to the New England Patriots, which I guess we all
knew was coming. So just an insane day. We will
dive into both. We'll do some dad diaryes, some mail
bag questions at John Middlecoff At John Middlecoff is the Instagram.

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everyone listening. Let's just let's dive right into the craziness. Well,

(01:07):
let's just start with the Rams, who, as Vito Corleone
once famously said in The Godfather, I'm gonna make him
an offer he can't refuse, and essentially that is what
the Rams did. DeLand Miles Garrett. I do believe the
Cleveland Browns. When their owner comes out, they release a
statement that they did not intend on trading Miles Garrett.

(01:29):
I know they reworked his contract to give themselves options,
but they were gonna trade him, or if they did,
it was gonna take a ton and that's what they got.
And it's been well reported by this point in time
that the Rams kept saying no when it came to
including Jared Verse. I think it's fair to assume they

(01:53):
were willing to throw a bunch of picks from Miles Garrett,
multiple ones, multiple twos, and keep their existing players, meaning
one of the better younger pass rushers in the league,
a guy that was six in the NFL in terms
of pressure last year, not relative to Miles Garrett. He
ain't Miles Garrett. More than likely he will never sniff

(02:15):
becoming Miles Garrett, mainly because Garrett is one of the
best players in the history of the NFL. I'll never
forget last year when the Eagles were joint practicing with
the Browns. Obviously, the Eagles coming off Super Bowl predicted
to go right back. They had one of the best
rosters in the league, and they definitely have two of

(02:36):
the best tackles in the league, and Jordan Milatta was
doing the press conference on the field after the game,
or I mean after the second practice, saying yesterday we
were in meetings just laughing like this guy is an alien.
What are we even supposed to do with that? And
the answer is not much, because no one really does

(02:59):
much to Miles Gay when he wants to go. He
is an unstoppable force. He's a multiple time Defensive Player
of the Year. He is a surefire first ballot Hall
of Famer. But he is thirty years old. And it
took a twenty five year old, a sending player, a
first round pick in by all accounts, one of the

(03:21):
better drafts in many many years, a second round pick,
and a third round pick the following two years. That
is not nothing. So Jared Verse what the Rams had
to give up to get Miles Garrett, which, let me
start by this, I have no problem overpaying or paying
a premium for a great player. Jerry Jones once famously said,

(03:45):
I've never paid a premium for another premium and been disappointed.
Where you get in trouble in football, in business, in
any aspect of life when you overpay for something that
is not worth overpaying for now. It's football. There's no
guarantee with injuries, but if Miles Garrett stays healthy, it's very,

(04:07):
very difficult to overpay. They could have included another first
rounder if he gives them twenty fucking sacks and they're
making Super Bowl runs these next couple of years. Because
he's under contract and the way the NFL works, this
is not basketball or baseball where it's like, well, you
just pick up the next four years. It's forty million
dollars a year like signing bonuses and upfront money has

(04:27):
already been paid, so they just take in thirty three
I think basically million dollars a year for the next
three years. So they're gonna pay essentially one hundred million
dollars to get a guy that I think it would
be disappointing that over the course of the next three
years doesn't give them fifty plus sacks and eighty to
ninety pressures a year and to go with their other

(04:50):
young players make life a lot easier. It has been
rumored and out there. I mean it's kind of internet like,
could Aaron Donald return at thirty five years old and
been like, fuck it, I'll come mess around with you guys.
I think that's clearly on the table or something to monitor.
But whether that happens or not, it's kind of irrelevant.
They are now viewed as probably the best roster in

(05:12):
the NFL, the divisional favorites, and what would be the
most competitive division in the NFL with the top I
mean there might be better divisions one through four. There's
definitely not a better division with the top three, especially
when you factor in the coaching, the star power, the quarterbacks,
the resume of Kyle McVeigh and Mike McDonald. The division

(05:35):
is no joke and the Rams the thing I appreciate
and George Steinbrenner did this when I was a kid.
You know. They started rattling off championships with the New
York Yankees, and they came into the two thousands, and
they would do anything and be willing to pay whatever
it took to get any player, and everyone hated him.
They were called the Evil Empire, and that's what it

(05:56):
feels like. The Rams are always willing to do put
their chips in the middle of the table. Now, in fairness,
there have been other organizations, including the Browns, who've spent
a lot more money over the last several years. In
twenty twenty two, no team spent more actual cash on
their roster than the Cleveland than the Los Angeles Rams.

(06:17):
In twenty twenty three, they were thirty second in the league.
The last two years they were thirty one and thirty one.
So they transitioned off that really expensive team with like
the Jalen Ramsey's obviously Aaron Donald retired, you know, Todd
Gurley types, like the really expensive players, and they got
a lot younger and it worked. They crushed the draft.

(06:40):
Beside Matt Stafford. If you think about it, most of
their impact players have not been expensive. Why because they
were draft picks, and a lot of them like second third,
fifth round pick like Poka Nakua. Even Jared Verse, he
wasn't the second overall pick, pretty sure, he's like seventeenth
or eighteenth. So their core of their group that have
been one of the most competitive teams in the league

(07:02):
over the last couple of years, and easily could I
think it's safe to say either of the years they
were a player two away from winning Super Bowls. I
mean that they were right there and as good as
any team in the league. They went toe to toe
two years ago with Philly and last year obviously played
in one of the games of the year in the
NFC Championship game against Seattle. In one of their downfalls

(07:23):
was defense. Well, what do they did or what do
they do? They traded for Trey McDuffie, plug and play
high end defensive back, added Miles Garrett, or upgraded Miles
Garrett off Jared Verse Jared versus good. Let me just
state that like that, that is not nothing. I don't
know if they would have done this deal. Maybe they

(07:44):
wanted more of an interior defensive tackle, but they traded
for what a twenty eight twenty nine year old defensive
tackle and Dexter Lawrence and gave up the tenth overall pick.
I think Jared vers easily in last draft would have
gone for a pick somewhere between ten to twenty if
they just would put him on the block, which he
was not on the block. I do believe all the

(08:04):
reports they did not want to trade him. I'm gonna
reiterate this. I think they wanted to trade whatever it
took in terms of draft capital four Miles Garrett and
ultimately Cleveland Browns wouldn't budge. And this is where the
Rams were like, fuck it, we will pay more than
we're comfortable paying. And this is what it will take

(08:27):
to get one of the greatest players of all time.
Now he's thirty years old, but we're gonna get this
guy thirty thirty one, thirty two to thirty three range.
And if we can maximize these next couple of years,
we're in when now win the Super Bowl and at
the end of the day being the preseason favorites in
the odds, I mean, no one had better odds in

(08:47):
twenty twenty five to start the season in the Baltimore Ravens,
they were like basically three to one to win the
Super Bowl. They went eight to nine. Football is not basketball.
It definitely is not baseball, where if I just add
seven sweet players, I'm guaranteed to be good. The Rams
are already good. There is to me Like Jared Verse,

(09:09):
by all accounts, was a beloved player in that locker room.
His college teammate Brydon Fisk obviously on the team. He
had been one of their core players on one of
the better defenses over the last couple of years, or
better fronts over the last couple of years. Like this
isn't nothing. The thing that Miles Garrett, even if it's like, yeah,

(09:30):
I'm just being me. I'm not gonna like beg for
everyone's approval here. He doesn't need to because he's that good.
And of all the players in the NFL at a
non quarterback position, you could argue he's the most plug
and play of any player in the entire league. That
there is not a coach. I don't care the best

(09:51):
coach or the worst coach. If you're looking like the
flores Is in the Spagnolas and the Fangios to the
shittiest of defensive coaches that could threw him up. I
mean he is. He's played for one of the worst
organizations in football over the last several years. And I
think it also shows you. And this is where I
think give the Browns credit is you could have twenty

(10:13):
five sacks and still go five to twelve. So I
think that once they redid the contract, clearly that put
teams like the Rams. I'm sure Howie Roseman were heavily
involved in terms of conversations what will it take, what
will it take? And this is where Cleveland is like,
it's gonna take more than just draft capital. We want

(10:35):
to replace this guy with another impact defensive lineman, and
they were able to do that. Now Jared versus not
Miles Garrett, because there is a big difference that their
pressure their pressure rate. Miles Garrett had a better pressure rate,
but their pressures from what I read, Miles Garrett had
like eighty five, Jared versus like eighty. Obviously, Jared Versus

(10:57):
like top six or seven in the league over the
last several year years. But he doesn't necessarily land the quarterback.
His rookie year he had four and a half. I
think he was defensive Rookie of the Year. Last year he
had seven and a half. But Miles Garrett lands the
guy at twenty five. And if you just look at
his sacks over the years, sacks are not everything, but

(11:18):
when you're consistently getting fifteen plus, they kind of mean
a lot because there's a big difference than hitting the
quarterback and who knows, maybe gets the ball off and
the ball is still completed and they get a first down,
and I take the guy to the ground and now
was second and eight, it's now third and fifteen. And
to me, Miles takes them to a whole other level.
And I have no problem saying that if you were

(11:40):
betting on a team right now, you'd feel pretty comfortable
saying they are the Super Bowl favorites. But again, I
don't think that means as much. They're still very dependent.
I know he's coming off an MVP season and he
was remarkable last year, been banged up over the course
of his career. People that I've heard people say, including
Colin of like, now, this brings into light the ty

(12:02):
Simpson thing. I think ty Simpson is somewhat separate of
Miles Garrett because this has been a long time since
the draft. I think they'd be the first to tell
you there was no guarantee that this was gonna happen.
I think they took ty Simpson because they just said, well,
we're not ever gonna draft this high again, and we
really like this player. And I disagree with that valuation

(12:26):
in people that I know in the league that said
they had third and fourth round grades on the guy
in their draft room. But at the end of the day,
if they hit on the ty Simpson pick, it allows
them to transition and as they've reset their roster, they
could McDuffie a hundred million dollar contract. Miles Garrett thirty
three million dollars a year, Matt Stafford, here's a big race.

(12:48):
They haven't even paid Pukin Nikola yet. And they obviously
have other young players yet, other core young players that
are going to demand a lot of money. And Jared
Verse specifically would have been one of those players. He
would have been one hundred million dollar plus guaranteed type guy.
And I think they just made a business decision, which

(13:11):
couldn't have been easy. But it's not like they got
nothing from him. They drafted him in the late teens,
they used him for a couple of years. He was excellent,
a key player on a team that went to the
playoffs back to back years, that was in the second
round in the NFC Championship. One of the heart and
souls of their unit, the physicality, the pressures, like it's
not like they got nothing out of them. They didn't

(13:32):
just get they just upgrade it. It's like taking your
car in on a lease and getting another car that's nicer,
even if the payments are more expensive. It's like I'm
getting a much better car. That's essentially what they did. Now.
This is a player that they have a really good
defensive coordinator in Chris Shula, but this is a guy

(13:53):
that's hard to screw up. You put him over the
tackle and you say go get them, and you say dominate.
And the other thing he does is he makes it
even easier than verse would have for the other guys
on the line of scrimmage, because you have to spend
so much time on Miles Garrett, Chippingham, double teaming him,

(14:15):
triple teaming him. I mean, even Todd Munkin said, which
was pretty clear when he got the job, and he's
been asked about how he never met him, which was
always kind of funny. But maybe they knew they were
going to trade him over the last couple of months
once they redid the contract, and the Rams took advantage
of it because I think a lot of teams would
have been willing to give two first rounds for Miles Garrett.

(14:38):
But I don't think that's what they wanted. That they
wanted something that they could also put on their team,
something that was tangible, because the draft pick isn't tangible.
One is a guessing game. You don't know where it's
going to land. And when you trade with good teams
like the Rams, I think it's fair to say that
the twenty seven first rounder. I would say the earliest

(15:00):
would be like twenty four. That would feel like a
very disappointing year for the Rams and anywhere up until
the you know, early thirties, right they if they're in
the Zuper Bowl, if they win the Zuper Bowl, like
this is, it's gonna be a pick that you know
is not going to be that valuable. You're almost huge
it using it as ammunition to move up ideally for

(15:20):
a quarterback. And now with that extra second, the extra
third they have, you know their pick is going to
be I would imagine relatively high. They can be heavily
involved in the quarterback conversation in the twenty seven draft wall.
And this is where I think Andrew Barry deserves a
lot of credit because I've been very critical of him.

(15:43):
Like the end of the day, your job as a GM,
what you were judged on are wins and losses. And
his team has sucked for a couple of years, and
he just hired Todd Munkin, who I think it's I
don't think it's a reach to say no one else
was hiring him as their as their head coach. And
if I wanted to defend Barry and the Browns. I say,
I don't think many people were taking that job, so

(16:05):
they did the best they could for the time being.
And maybe this guy is there, David Kelly. Now he's better.
I mean, he's proven to be a really good offensive
coordinator and who knows, maybe he's better than even I'm
giving him credit for. But it just puts them in
a position. He has made brilliant moves over the last
couple of years. I mean, I've said this before. They

(16:27):
fleeced They fleeced the Jacksonville Jaguars last year. The Jags.
If they said, hey, we'll give you Travis Hunter back
for what we gave you Mason Graham, Quinchhn Jenkins, that
the Browns would laugh at him. They got not only
an all defensive rookie player, but what should be one

(16:48):
of the better defensive tackles for the next five six
years in the NFL. And then you put him with
another twenty five year old who's already proven to be
one of the best pass rushers by all accounts. They
had a really good draft this year, so last year
they got a stud defensive tackle. They're starting running back.
That linebacker from UCLA who's a stud. Then this year

(17:08):
they have multiple first round picks. You know, you get
your tackle in the first round, you get a receiver
who's probably gonna be one of the faster players in
the NFL. Conception own Denzel Boston, which you know, I
think depending on who you talk to in the NFL
mixed reviews. But they got him in the second round.

(17:29):
It's not like they use the twenty fourth pick on
the guy. And I just think he's done a really
good job of building a roster without a quarterback. Now,
at the end of the day, if you're never able
to find the quarterback, none of that matters. And right now,
it's you know, Shador's making seventeen eighteen million dollars in

(17:50):
royalties that they feel obligated to pay to Shann Watson
because he's making forty eight fifty million dollars a year,
which I don't blame him. Welcome to life, you know.
So it's like, I'm paying this guy, Let's see what
he can do, and maybe Monken system is more equipped
to make him look better than Stefanski's was. And there's
some truth to that, you know, even the good version

(18:12):
de Shan Watson, you would never say he would be
a Shanahan type quarterback. He would be much more in
the vein of other schemes throughout the NFL, and Monkin
has proven to be a little more versatile when it
comes to quarterback play with his offense. So, Andrew Barry
did a really good job here, and that is the
most powerful thing you can ever do in a negotiation,

(18:33):
to say no, no, no. And I think it's pretty
clear that Cleveland kept saying that over and over, like
we're not doing this deal unless we get Jared Verse,
and the Rams came to a point where you got
to draw a line in the sand. Are we doing
this or not. I never understand. I see this with
my wife, you know, when she was doing real estate deals.

(18:56):
I'm sure many of you deal with this with different clients,
some people that just like want to dance around. I
hate that I don't take that long to make a
decision when it comes to doing a deal. Well, regardless
what it is, like saw a house, I like, boom,
the deal was done within a month. I want to
get a car. I bought my first car. Actually it's

(19:18):
really for her. It was like saw it online, boom,
we went there, purchased on a Saturday. It's like, I
don't spend that much time just going back and forth,
and we all know people that do and listen, I'm
sure some of you do that. To me, that's just
it's such a waste of my time and my energy.
Like when I'm ready to pull the trigger, I pull
the trigger and then you live with the decision however

(19:41):
it goes. And I think the Rams have always proven
to be willing to like, yeah, we'll do this. Is
it risky? Of course it is. Are we giving up
a lot? Yes we are. I've seen some people say
that they're not giving up a lot or what they're
giving up a sure thing. Jared Verse that if the

(20:01):
Jared Verse think about this, If Jared Verse was in
this draft at twenty five years old, and we've already
seen him in the NFL, like you know exactly what
you're getting, but he's going in the draft, he would
have gone second. The Jets pray that David Bailey turns

(20:24):
into Jared Verse. If Rvel Reese is able to get
the pressure and be the impact guy in the line
of scrimmage, that Jared versus the Giants hit a home
freaking run it's the whole point of a draft is
to land guys like that. And I just think Miles Garrett.

(20:46):
I thought they should have traded him last year, but
Jimmy Haslam didn't want to do that. He was their
marquee guy. He was the player on a franchise that's
kind of embarrassing, the one person that you could hang
your hat on, and they paid him a ton of money.
They gave him so much money his trade demand just
diminished in the thin air. It just blew away in

(21:07):
the wind. It was like, I want to be traded.
I'll sign the contract. Then he had twenty five sacks
because it was that much money. But it's like, what's
the point that we're winning five games, you're this good?
It really is pointless when we need to just remake
this thing and we are remaking it on the fly,
and he's our one valuable asset. And it shows you

(21:29):
how good he still was last year, that his value
was still this And I truly believe, like totally understand
what the Rams are doing. I do think there's a
little risk there of just this is locker rooms can
be fickle. Now you're that good, I understand it, but

(21:52):
I you know, replacing only the players truly know. And
I think this is why the Rams were hesitant, like
we're not giving up nothing in internally, in terms of
personality and in terms of locker room dynamics. This is
not you know, European soccer, where you just buy the
best players and more than likely are going to be good.

(22:13):
But I totally understand where they're coming from. Would have
made the deal as well. And I think for the
Browns they should be applauded because they needed to trade
this player and what they traded him for was ahule
and was an excellent, excellent get, which puts them in
position now that they should be drafting in the top ten.

(22:37):
They have so much ammunition they can move up several
spots and get a quarterback if they need to. Best
case scenario, all these guys look really good, they lose
a bunch of games, and they're drafting in the top
five and they don't even need to move up. They
can just stick and pick and find a quarterback. The
scary part is is there's no guarantee you can ever
find a quarterback. Because I haven't been some direc Brown

(23:00):
fan but followed the NFL and from the farm. Since
they came back to Cleveland, they have not found a
quarterback and it's been a major problem. That famous visual
of all the different quarterbacks that Joe Thomas played with,
I know he's listed them, and there's been countless since.
So it's a very difficult job. But they have put

(23:22):
themselves in a position for a quarterback less team to
become a real team. The Jets have done that as well,
and I think the worst place you can be in
the NFL is have no quarterback and then just also
have a shitty team. It's like, what is the point
of any of this? They do have the infrastructure, like

(23:42):
they did when they made the Deshaun Watson trade. They
had an infrastructure of a really good team. They just
traded for a guy and it flopped, but they had
built up a good team. And now there's that second
iteration of they've done it again. And Andrew Berry, his
teams don't win a lot of games, but I'll give
him his flowers. He makes good trades, and I think

(24:03):
one of his powerful attributes as a general manager as
a leader is he's pretty patient, and I think it
speaks to this trade coming to fruition on June first,
because they probably could have got him a month ago
without Jared Verse and got multiple ones from the Rams.

(24:24):
It's like, okay, great, get picked thirty and pick twenty
eight for Miles Garrett. This is like, no matter what,
we have something to show for with Jared Verse, and
then we can use all these other picks as ammunition
to get what we need to get. So the Rams,
they're just always willing to play ball. Man, They're always

(24:44):
sniffing around. They're always willing to take big swings. And
I know stan Kronk gets shipped on for being cheap
in the NBA. I had to google it. I was like,
what is the who do you when you pay luxury
tax in the NBA? Because all I've never heard like
the wind horses and the people saying, like stan Kronck
it never spends any money in the NBA. It's like, well, yeah,

(25:05):
he's let some role players go like if you pay
the luxury tax, where does it go in the NBA? Well,
half of it guts like equitably distributed to the other
teams and then the other half like gets split up
through the league. Like I would not want to pay
luxury tax in the NBA. If it's for role players, like,
give me a break. What a scam? Like, I think

(25:28):
one thing Stan has proven, this is my cash co
and when I need to green light something in the NFL,
I know it pays me back. In the NBA, he's
won a championship before, He's had one of the best
teams in the NBA for years now, and I think
he now was like, I'm not really worth it, and
I'm not trying to shoot on the NBA here in
terms of like the power of what are their franchises,

(25:49):
but he owns both, so he sees the revenue of one,
he sees the revenue of the other. And I think
it's pretty clear, like I'm not paying a luxury tax
to give these shitty organizations free money. So like have
like some good seventh man. Well you're not deep enough
in the playoffs. Fine, we need to change these rules
because this thing's a scam. Talk about a fugazi. I

(26:11):
couldn't believe really diving into where the luxury tax goes.
What a fugazi. That is why, because you don't want
your best teams and your most aggressive owners to spend
more money. Give me a break. So props to Kronkey
for green light in this and unless for taking big swings.
He makes our job much easier here as football podcasters.

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think it's I think most people would agree that that's
a seller's market, right. It was like this in real
estate in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one and early on
twenty two. If you owned a house and it was
a decent location and in decent shape, you were getting
a lot over asking price. You had people lined up
to purchase your home, and then once you picked whose

(29:13):
bid you wanted, you got to bend them over throughout contingencies,
refuse to make any upgrades. It was great. Times have
changed because interest rates started going up. I bought my
house as interest rates for skyrocketing, and guess what, that
price kept coming down fifty another one hundred thousand, and
we were able to negotiap while we got under contract

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stuff that never would have been possible a couple of
years ago. So things changed from AUS and I bought
a condo in a seller's market. It sucks because you
get bent over and you just have to take it,
and then you take it and take it, and then
they give it to you a little more and there's
nothing you can really do. And when you're on the
other side, it kind of feels good. And it's the

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Browns had the leverage. They got to tell the Rams
how high they wanted them to jump in the the
Rams just kept jumping higher. Where in this Eagles Patriots situation,
you know, it's funny. They're going to get a first
round pick, which is not nothing when my son will
be two and a half years old. He's currently not

(30:17):
even five months. So this first round pick for the Eagles,
which is always good to have future first round picks
in the back of your pocket, is not for several
football seasons. Think how long one individual football season is.
Imagine being a fan thinking like, you gotta wait two
football seasons for this player now. Because the situation was

(30:41):
so unique, there has never been a player who when
the season ended was one traded, yet didn't get traded
till June one. Everything the Eagles did, starting you know,
free agency, the draft was revolving around AJ Brown not
being on the team. They had multiple wide receivers in

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free agency, obviously trade for Wicks, they signed Hollywood Brown,
and then they draft in the first round Makai Lemon.
So it is not easy to replace what AJ Brown
brought to the table over the last four years. You're like, oh,
he had a down year. He had seven touchdowns last year.
He had seven touchdowns a year before. He had seven
touchdowns a year before, and he had eleven touchdowns a
year before. They've made two playoff runs where they went

(31:25):
to a super Bowl and lost and went to a
Super Bowl and won. He had twenty five catches in
both those playoff runs and three touchdowns. He's accounted for
in his four years on the Eagles for over five
thousand yards of receptions. He has been an extremely productive player.
Now he's missed some games. There are some clearly some

(31:46):
major question marks with his health. But I don't have
all the details because everything I was told, people liked
AJ Brown in the building, but the thing was fractured
with the quarterback, with the offense, maybe with the head coach.
Don't up. But they had to trade him and his
market wasn't great. Because if his market was good for

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a guy that's been in three time All Pro who
when he's right, is one of the best players in
the league, they wouldn't have had to settle for a
first round pick after two more football seasons. So the Patriots,
who historically never did stuff like this under Belichick, Belichick
hung his hat on buying distressed assets, on getting guys

(32:31):
like Randy Moss for a fourth round pick, on getting
Wes Welker as a restricted free agent because Miami undervalued him,
on being able to get a key to leave, or
Darrell Reevis because their value was a little bit lower.
Even going back to Corey Dillon in when I was
like in high school. He didn't pay premiums for guys

(32:54):
that are making a premiums and there are question marks
on his health. So all this time talk about Vrabel
and Rasini and would like Robert Kraft turn on him
and would he lose some juice? This shows you everything
you need to know. Mike Rabel is in full control
because this deal is one hundred percent. Mike Rabel loves

(33:16):
AJ Brown, Mike Rabel wants AJ Brown, and it's got
a little bit of an NBA type feel honestly, both
these trades do. If the Milwaukee Bucks could get the
equivalent of what the Cleveland Browns just got for Miles Garrett,
for Jiannis, I think they would be universally applauded. Whoever
the equivalent of Jared versus a young player in the NBA,

(33:39):
and then all those picks, it would be like what
a haul. Doubt they do. And I think the same
thing for aj Brown, a guy that, like a lot
of teams are not comfortable with his knee. I think
that's been well reported and just based on what they
just received. Like you're telling me, would Howie done a

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second round pick in twenty twenty seven over a first
round pick in twenty twenty eight? What did the Patriots
have a bad year and that pick is like forty four?
Are you better off waiting for forty four or waiting
another year for a first round pick? Because again, money now,
it's just time value money. It's no different with draft picks.

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So a draft pick in several years is especially with
the unknown of the pick is discounted, so it's not
the same as getting like when the Cincinnati Bengals traded
pick ten for Dexter Lawrence that was tangible the moment
that trade was the transaction happened because you knew exactly

(34:47):
where the pick was. How he has no clue and
he has to wait several years. So I think this deal,
it's just bizarre. Maybe after this trade we will get
get more information exactly what happened. Obviously, I'm not defending
aj Brown. He's had some weird stuff happen. I mean,

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reading the book on the sideline, and no player wants
to be injured. But he, you know, wasn't quite the
same this year. I think the Patriots are you could say,
taking a leap of faith, and it's somewhat risky. But
even for them, like this pick is not till twenty
twenty eight. We're in June of twenty twenty six. The

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we just had ten coaches get fired last year. Who
Mike Vrabel's life was turned upside down a month ago.
Who knows what's gonna happen in two years. You would
glad A lot of teams in a player they're comfortable with,
would trade a first round pick in several years. So

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the Eagles I took the best they could get, and
I think the Patriots were the team that for what.
I just think it gets back to the connection a
vraible of AJ Brown. Now, if AJ Brown's right, big
upgrade for New England, whose wide receiver room and offensive
unit is obviously you got an explosive young running back

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from Ohio State. You got Kyle Williams, who I'm buying
some stock in from Washington State rookie last year. You
put AJ Brown. Their defense is good, their schedule is
much more difficult. If he helps them win ten plus
games and they're back in the playoffs, you've gone to
the super Bowl, you've gone to the playoffs, and you've
just reinvigorated the franchise. But when you trade a first

(36:40):
round pick, like you're gonna want multiple years of this
guy producing at a high level. And sometimes you get
a guy like Miles Garrett thirty years old, it doesn't
feel old, feels young. And then you get a guy
like AJ Brown feels like he's thirty four. I saw
to day he's like twenty eight, twenty nine years old.
I'm like, Ady Brown's like thirty six. There's a lot
of wear and tear. There's a lot of tread on

(37:01):
those tires. Same thing with Max Crosby. It does feel
like he's an older version of a guy that's twenty
nine to thirty years old. So it's all based on
we watch you, you go God, you feel young, you know,
and sometimes the player, this guy feels old. It could
be just he's a polarizing player. He's had a lot

(37:23):
of big moments. He's had a lot of moments that
got headlines about doing you know, wide receiver diva ish things.
But again, by all accounts that I've been told, is
people really like. He's not a dislike player in the
locker room by any means, and he's not someone that
internally the players did not like. But this is the
deal that we've been talking about forever. It finally comes true.

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And unlike the Browns who get immediate help and get
picked this year, the Eagles the fifth round pick this year,
I don't even count. I mean, he might as well
just send a box of balls. But that first round
pick in twenty twenty eight, like you're waiting cup years
for that, which they don't care because I think for
them they'd already replaced him. This is not one of

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those things that came out of came out of left field.
They knew this guy was as good as going. So
what a day and what a crazy day in the NFL.
While one trade we saw coming from a mile away
for six months, the other trade came out of nowhere
and it was shocking. It was jaw dropping. We all,

(38:28):
i'm sure, shared the chefter tweet, the compensation tweet and
just went wow, what what a moment. And the NFL
has really really benefited from all these aggressive gms and
these franchises now with the amount of money that's come

(38:49):
in the league, the willingness to do deals. For a
long time, it was a couple of teams here and there,
But for the most part, I feel like the major
manority of the NFL is always sniffing around and willing
to pull the trigger on big time stuff at any moment,
which makes this sport and this product that much more entertaining.

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And there's clearly a halves and the have nots, and
you know, the rams would be near the top. I
think Seattle's gonna have something to say about it. I
think the forty nine ers aren't gonna go quietly. But man,
that that game in Australia Land down Under got a
lot more interesting today, that's for damn sure. Uh, yeah,

(39:33):
the Giants. I saw people like Milik Neighbors at a
softball game kind of run around sign a bunch of
wide receivers. My take is they clearly are not comfortable
with which is sad because Molik Neighbors from a talent standpoint,
is through the roof like he has the physical capability

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before the knee injury to be one of the most explosive,
impactful players on offense in the NFL, non quarterback, And
clearly they're a little spooked that there's no guarantee that
this is gonna work yet a second surgery. They signed
all these wide receivers, They basically just signed multiple guys
to maybe like let them all battle it out and see.

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You know, I don't think any of these guys signed
the day Beckham Juju are guaranteed to make the team,
but you just kind of let them compete and if
Malie can't go, we got some reinforcements under contract. We
get some guys that can learn the offense. You know,
Matt Naggie's been around Juju for years, so he knows
the offense. Hardball has been around Beckham in Baltimore. So

(40:39):
I think if you're a Giants fan, it's cool day
to bring Beckham home and kind of go down memory lane,
but also a little bit like a little nerve racking.
Are we sure are star young wide receiver who he
drafted what six overall is going to be okay? Because

(41:00):
that he just had a simple acl tair Uh. I
guess not h before we do a couple of mailbag questions,
I do got to do a daddy diary. I Uh.
The way the schedule has been breaking for the last
couple of weeks is his his sleep cycle is just

(41:20):
a nightmare. So she her sleep midnight, two in the morning,
four in the morning is just it sucks. And your
boys just fast asleep and then around five thirty he
you know, he he can wait. He's liable to wake
up at midnight one thirty three o'clock four thirty in

(41:42):
the morning and he just might need a little boot
just for like four or five minutes. Then he goes
back to sleep, but then he could be up again
within an hour, and then he's kind of up for
good at five thirty, well kind of because you can
get him to go back to sleep by about six,
but you can't really put back in the bed because
then he'll wake up, so you kind of gotta have

(42:02):
him sleep on you. So that's usually my move for
about the last week. I'll take him about five thirty.
I'll let him sleep on me till about seven seven fifteen,
and then the morning routine starts of feeding him a bottle,
playing with him, getting him a nap around nine thirty
ten o'clock, and then she kind of takes back over
after she gets a little sleep from like six to

(42:24):
nine ish. It's it's not an ideal way to live,
but we really don't have another choice right now. She can.
I see her in the afternoon. Sometimes she's like, I
haven't peed in like six hours. I can't do that.
So typically when I bring him out to be like
after he wakes up, if he's up at like six

(42:44):
forty five or seven, I will throw in a pouch.
I will grab a cold brew Kirklin coffee that we
get from some costco that are fantastic. They got a
bunch of caffeine. Honestly, they got a little more poping
like Starbucks, you know, Venti cole Bruise and iced coffee slam.
One of those. I'll usually grab like a Gatorade or

(43:05):
a body armor and I will fill up the stanley,
so I will be hydrating heavily in the morning within
a couple hours, I gotta take a leek, and unlike her,
I can't just hold it for seven hours. So a
couple of days ago, he just passed out on top
of me. And you can't put him right now in
his thing called the snow, which is like this moving

(43:28):
bacinet or another basinet. He would just immediately wake up.
And as you're laying him down he could be out cold.
As his head hits the ground or where he's gonna
be laying, his eyes will open. He'll just have a
big smile. So you just gotta Sometimes he's gotta roll
with the nap on you, so you can't really get
anything done beside emails or look at your phone really

(43:49):
or watch TV. I had to piece so bad. She
sound asleep, He sound asleep, and I just I can't
hold it and listen parents like, sometimes you gotta go
to the bathroom and he's awake. You just bring the stroller,
you point him at you, and you just let it
rip and he's having a good time. But this is

(44:10):
he's on you, and I just have to pee like
I just got to pee with this kid on me,
and I pulled it off. He slept on top of
me because I am not gonna go. I'm just gonna
I could just hold it for another hour like this. No,
I'm not gonna pee my pants on the couch. It's
amazing what you're able to pull off when you're a parent,

(44:30):
and honestly, probably happened again sometime, especially if the if
the rhythm of taking care of him last. I can
promise you this, my dad never peed with me on
top of his shoulder. That that never happened. Uh, but
my child has has experienced that and he doesn't even know.

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organization is trying to make McVeigh happy due to the

(46:20):
draft and the fact they passed on Reuben Bay. Well,
they were having these discussions before the draft, so they
were heavily interested in Miles Garrett and they were going
to keep revisiting that until they had a very good
chance to land him. I do think the Ty Simpson
thing was somewhat separate because there was no guarantee that
they were going to land Miles Garrett. I think they

(46:43):
viewed the Ty Simpson thing as especially their general manager,
as a guy that they could get in the top
fifteen who they viewed as a franchise quarterback on a
rookie deal on their team right now while they have
Stafford to kind of him to watch and take advantage of,
like kind of like a two timeline thing. I personally

(47:04):
don't think Ty Simpson, based on what he did, is
good enough. But who am I to tell? Less sneed
and Sean McVay won't watch to see. But I think
it's less about ty Simpson because I think they would
have done Ty Simpson. I believe this could be wrong.
Miles Garrett. No, Miles Garrett, do you think the trade

(47:24):
pushes the Niners to do something like adding Bosa or
Cam Jordan? The NFC West is starting to feel like
an arms race. I saw Nick talk about Joey Landed
Joey boss is exactly Miles Garrett. H. I don't know, man,

(47:45):
I don't really know what they can do. You know,
I think they're very hesitant. The Rams have had a
lot of success trading picks four players, the Niners have not.
They have done it moremultiple times. They traded to Forrest
Buckner for the thirteenth overall pick. They did a trade

(48:06):
with Tampa from thirteen to fourteen. Tampa took I want
to say, Darrisaw, it's not it's I'm blanking their starting
left tackle. Who's a stud. I got baby brain right
now and it's June my bad. And they took Javon Kinlaw.
That was a nightmare. Then then the following year they

(48:30):
traded for Trey Lance. So I think it's like anything
in life, when you've done something a couple times and
you've been burned, you're less likely to do aggressive things again.
Now they once traded for Christian McCaffrey. There's a big
difference trading the second and third and the fourth for
a player and first round picks. And the Rams are

(48:51):
very comfortable trading first round picks. Hell, they've they've done
it twice this year. The forty nine ers, I just
think are kind of out. I think John Schneider and
the Seahawks are a pretty good example. They've done it
a couple of times and probably regretted it. Obviously. The
Jamal Adams thing blew up in their face. Jimmy Graham,

(49:13):
Percy Harvin like this, when you do it and you
get Jalen Ramsey. Fuck, yeah, this is awesome. When you
do it and you get Trey Lance or Javon Kim laugh,
You're like, this sucks. So I don't know. Yeah, I mean,
I Joey Bosa, Cam Jordan. I mean, I don't know.

(49:37):
I am not expecting them to do something in reaction
to this. That being said, I mean, I'm not opposed
to it, but I don't think that's really how they're thinking.
You just bought an NFL team. You get to select
the GM head coach, both coordinators, and the quarterback. This
is from your lifetime watching football. Who are you picking? Well,

(50:00):
I think it's a no brainer. I mean based on
my lifetime, and I don't count Bill Walsh in the eighties,
but of my from the mid nineties to now, I
think you would have to pick. It's just a it's
an automatic. You pick Brady, you pick Belichick, you pick
Josh McDaniels, and you pick Brian Flores. I guess is

(50:24):
the defensive coordinator. Essentially, Bill, how do you beat that?
We watched it happen for twenty years now many he
will beat it. They won six Super Bowls, They went
to three others. They were in the AFC Championship game.
Basically every year they won the division NonStop. I think
you would have to pick that, and number two you'd
probably have to go. You'd probably have to go Andy

(50:47):
Spags and Mahomes mailbag Browns fan gutted by the trade.
I understand you're a bad team and an all time great.
You can't keep him forever, but this trade is horrible.
Versus is at best a good player half of Miles Garrett,
and to get only one first round pick. It's the Rams,

(51:10):
so that's going to be at best like the twenty six,
probably more like the thirtieth or later, and then second
and thirds don't matter to me. Makes no sense to
me why we couldn't get the green Bay deal they
traded for Micah two first round players. Real get it?
Thinking about being a Bengals fan, how can you make
sense of this mess? I disagree with you on Jared verse.

(51:34):
If Miles one hundred out of one hundred, Jared is
not a fifty out of one hundred, he's probably like
seventy five eighty, And I think you hope he can
just get a little bit better. Here's a buddy of mine,
that's a pro scout. I asked him what he thought
about this deal, and he said on Verse, he said,
versus legit, Dude, you consistently feel him in both phases,

(51:57):
meaning the run. In the past, he's a pressure machine,
and then he finally started converting them into sacks toward
the end of the year. Plus he's going into his prime.
So I think you're under selling Verse. I think if

(52:17):
Verse had been in this draft, who knows would the
Bengals would they have taken Verse over Dexter Lawrence. I
know Dexter Lawrence has been a more dominant player, but
he's older, he'd been banged up. I mean, you're talking
about versus. I get he's twenty five, but he has
been a badass. I think it's a good deal, and

(52:39):
I think it's a deal that you guys had to make,
and I think it's a deal that was just too
good to pass up. It's very clear that the Rams
are Super Bowl or bust this year. I'd give him
a two year run. You know, Miles Garretts under contract
for several years, so is Stafford. So I think it's
more these next two years. Obviously, the pressure in twenty

(53:02):
six is enormous, But I think this is kind of
like a two year bubble. But that just makes the
Ty Simpson ty Simpson pick even more weird. Why not
draft an impact player this year if you're clearly all
in versus Simpson, who may never even be a good quarterback,
I'll never get it. I don't now if Stafford gets

(53:24):
hurt and he comes in and he's good, and he's
like Rock Purty, they'll look like geniuses. They will look
like geniuses. But couldn't you argue that you could find
like this is a bad quarterback draft, like you would
not trust Carson Beck or you know, Drew Aller, you

(53:46):
know nuss Meyer. It just wasn't a good draft because
I'd be like, well, couldn't you draft a guy in
like the second or third round? But that that didn't
really exist in this draft. There wasn't like a Jimmy
Garoppolo type, you know, coming out. There was going to
be like somewhere between pick fifty and seventy five that
would have made more sense than I personally, I think

(54:08):
I would have taken Ty Simpson. There was someone really
taking Ty Simpson in the first round. Beside, let's need
I don't know. Uh. One of the best one of
the best parts of your podcast is you give life
and business advice. I think it really it's a lot
of just giving me a handy Here. My mailbag question

(54:30):
relates to interacting with very influential people. My sister and
her business partner are doing some stuff with a branch
of a massive company, and because of that, I've gotten
to be at a few events that are mostly social
with people from that company. Among them is someone I
know people would literally kill for a chance to connect with.

(54:54):
I've been introduced briefly, and there's gonna be a couple
more of these events in the next couple months. There's
so many questions I would love to ask him, but
I'm more worried about doing anything that would cause my
sister problems. Is there a good way to do that,
or am I better off just leaving it alone? Uh?

(55:17):
I think it's a fine balance. If it's your sister's deal.
Let's just assume this guy is some famous businessmen that
we would all know. If you're wearing them out with
questions and he's turned off, you kind of have to
feel the room. I've said this before, and I do
believe this. If the guy's famous enough, and you can

(55:37):
do the recon if you can figure out about his
children and ask him a question like, how's your son
doing at Harvard? You know, how's your daughter doing at
the University of Texas or whatever. There is not a
human alive, whether it's Michael Jordan or Jeff or whoever,

(56:01):
that doesn't like talking about their kids, So it is
an easy icebreaker to not make things awkward if you
can get that information. I think that is the easiest
way to talk to someone who probably doesn't want to
get peppered with stuff and make them open up to
you and relax a little bit about you find me

(56:22):
a human being who is influential, famous, whatever, ask them
about their children. I promise you their guard will go
down a little bit. I don't know the exact you know,
situation for you and your sister if if you feel
uncomfortable at all, I would just lean away from it,

(56:44):
and if it goes well with your sister, maybe will
have more time to be around them. But the social events,
if there are a lot of people there, sometimes those
are hard. If you're just kind of you just kind
of there, kind of a tough one. If this is
like a game changing thing for your sister. I would

(57:06):
just lean being conservative with being less aggressive. But if
you do get an opportunity and you can just do
some research, even if they're again, I have no clue
who you're even talking about. I do think that's always
worked for me. I remember seeing it work on Joe
Montana on the streets of San Francisco, and I've used

(57:29):
a countless time since, and it just it just works,
even if you don't know what their kids are doing.
If you can just get to the children, it's the
easiest way for people to just relax a little bit
and talk that don't want to talk. Me and Maria
were making like jokes. We went to a wedding probably

(57:50):
like two months ago, and she, you know, she hasn't
been working or whatever. She's been with Jack, I mean
twenty four to seven, and she's like, the crazy part
is I just go to this event and it's like
I'm Marie, I'm Jack smam. You know. It's like and
I even I constantly just talk about him. It's just
now it changes as they get a little older, but
not really people like talking about their kids. People like

(58:13):
talking about themselves. Let's be real, That's the other thing.
It's like the easiest way to talk to people in general.
That the kids thing is just is a genuine way.
But you can always stroke people's ego. People like their
ego stroked, especially successful people, but some don't. And then
all of a sudden, you know you're an awkward I

(58:35):
the kid won? Is my move? How did you see
the NFC West shaken out Ramseyhawks? Or are the Niners
set to re establish himself? Is this the year McVeigh
leaves no question he's the most important coach in the league.
Do the Niners have another season of aging players with
injuries and no solid to save them? Do the Hawks
start a dynasty? Uh? Sometimes? Yeah? Man, I it's gonna

(59:04):
be a warzone. I mean, on paper, you would have
to say the Rams are the best team in the NFL,
but that's not how football's played. Puka a couple of
weeks ago talked about him doing some soul searching and
trying to become a better human. You know, obviously you
put Miles into this locker room. McDuffie's a winning player,

(59:29):
high character player. There have been some questions about Miles,
like tardiness. You know, Miles just kind of got to
do whatever he wanted in Cleveland rightfully. So he's their
best player by a country mile. It's not really the
Rams culture, and who knows, maybe he'll just ship fit
right in and be on time every meeting. But like
there was an article last year in the Athletic, like

(59:50):
one thing a part of this contract was like, we
need you to show up on time every day. So
I would say if the game games were played on paper,
the Rams will win the super Bowl, but Seattle's defending champs,
the Niners beat the Rams with Mac Jones, I think

(01:00:12):
these games will be a war zone, and that's usually
how it happens in Division games. No matter what Cardinals
do not matter clearly. But I would say right now
that the Rams gotta feel pretty good about themselves. And
I think it's pretty rare that the defending super Bowl champs.
It's a pretty easy one for Mike McDonald to use

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his motivation. We just won this thing, and everyone's acting
like they're the super Bowl champs. They haven't won shit.
Last time I checked, they haven't won super Bowl in years. Hell,
I mean last time. That was their first NFC championship
game in like three years. So it's it's gonna be tough,

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because if he's healthy, there're gonna be a problem. I
hear folks talking a lot about offensive minds McVeigh, Kyle
Ben to name a few. I'm curious where you would
rank Kellen Moore. He got a ring in Philly and
last year with the Saints were heating up. I have
him high. I've been a big fan since he was
a player at Boise State. I'm gonna pick them to

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win the NFC South. I think they're gonna be really good.
Huge believer in Tyler Shuck and if Jordan Tyson lives
up to the hype, they could have an excellent offense.
They added etn You know, this Kamara thing is kind
of weird. We'll have to see how that plays out.
Do they end up trading him? But you get a
lave who was humming their tight ends good, you get

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Jordan Tyson. I think the Saints are gonna be good,
and I think Kellen Moore is a really, really dynamic coach.
Listeners since twenty two. I'm a new father, and I
believe our kids are around the same age. Mine just
turned four months in like a switch started becoming crazy
this past week, wife and I have been trying to

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adjust any advice to get us through the four month
regression phase. You were asking the wrong man, dog. I mean,
I have no freaking clue. We're just trying to keep
our heads above water. No advice besides just good luck, godspeed,

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keep swinging, and nothing you can do. It's just I
guess part of the deal. I just keep telling myself
the amount of human beings in the history of civilization
that have done this, the amount of and listen, just
let's call a spade of spade. There are a lot
of low love people who've had kids and raised kids.

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I was like, probably done a decent job. If they
can do it, I can do it. And listen, she's
doing the majority of it. But it's hard. As a

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packer fan, I despise the Bears. You have some choice
words about uh Ben. However, I think it's insane the
Bears might be leaving Chicago. Not only should they stay,
I believe they should never leave Soldier Field. It's iconic,
and I feel like the NFL is losing great stadiums
in exchange for these soulless domes. Do you think the

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NFL should intervene to keep the Bears in Chicago? Is
that even possible? Are they doomed to play in Indiana?
Here's the sad part. I don't think the NFL gives
a bleep about soulless domes. They love these modern day
sweets everywhere. They do not care. I'm in complete agreement,

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but clearly I've never been to Soldier Field, but by
all accounts, and this is the reality with a lot
of these older stadiums is their sweet capacity is nowhere
near what it needs to be for the opportunity to
earn the revenue that the newer stadiums can earn. You

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go to Sofi, which you get inside Sofi, It's the
best stadium I've ever been in. It is just this
modern version of dollar bills. It is. It's remarkable, and
it was created to just generate rev Now he spent
five to six bill on it, hope. So, but that

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thing is a cash cow because of the high end
seating and the sweet capacities. So I think the amount
of money you're leaving on the field or you know,
out there by playing in an old, quote unquote iconic stadium,

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I don't think they care, which sucks because all these
franchises getting domes. It's just it sucks, it really does.
But they don't care about us, and they don't care
about our ideas, and they don't care about souless domes
because they're being built everywhere. And I would expect the Bears.
Your guess is as good as mine, but to play

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in some soulless dome. Whend with this off season question
for the bag, what is your ditar routine at the house?
Are you or the wife cooking? Who's cleaning up the dishes?
I feel like every couple is different. There's no effing
NFL news right now. This was a couple of days ago.
I absolutely love preparing us a meal. Cooking can overwhelm

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my wife and she is happy to power through any
remaining dishes on a full, satisfied stomach. That's what I
call power couple. Uh. My wife's a really good cook. Now,
her cooking capabilities. When you have this little she calls
him a honey badger, crazy little four and a half

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month old, it's a little harder. But anytime she can cook,
she cooks. So I chip in. And I'm not a
great cook. I'm just I'm not I'm a barbecuer. I
can barbecue, and tonight we're going to barbecue a couple
of filets, all barbecue, Burger's barbecue chicken. I'll barbecue whatever.

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For Mother's Day, she really wanted a tomahawk's steak, so
I went to the local meat market got a tomahawk.
Actually got the tomahawk. I think it's got a I
forget the term, but if you get the tomahawk with
the bone removed, you save like thirty or forty bucks
because the bone weighs whatever an extra pound and you

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pay for the weight. So we got, oh, it's cowboy cut.
We got the cowboy cut. I smoked it on the trigger.
Mom and I actually got some sides from like the
local nice steakhouse because she loves their mac and cheese.
We got some sides there. I smoked tomahawk for like
took around two hours. I think it was like four pounds.

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It was legit. But I tend to cook the meat
if it's not some sort of meat dish that's in
the oven in the crock pot. But I mean, she
she enjoys. I mean, before Jack, she she would cook
four or five times a week. Now sometimes you know

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we're lazy and I'll just press the button have dinner ordered.
But sometimes we do that and we regret it. The
problem is the time, you know, by the time I'm
done doing work, I'm just not like I'm not gonna cook.
I can't cook a meal beside like meat and salad
then like basic rice stuff. She can just make like

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legit meals, and I'm in charge of the dishes, which
I'm counting down the days till that's his that's his role.
But I would say she does the majority of cooking
beside the barbecuing, which is on me, and I mainly
cleaned the dishes, which she always says that I lied
to her. When we first started dating, I said it

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was really clean. I used to have this condo where
I lived by myself in the Bay Area, and I
had this girl named Elva who would come by like
once a week and clean it. And it was just
it's not that it wasn't that big, it was hard
to get dirty. She used to think I was really clean.
My natural inclination is probably to be kind of dirty,
throw shit everywhere, and I'll pay attention. She's like kind

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of a clean freak. So at first years ago. I
think she had a higher standard. It's like Belichick, you know,
a little higher standard with what she expected in the kitchen.
Granted I paid for that kitchen model, but she's right,
and so we try to keep the thin clean and
I've come a long way. She said, I'm a pretty

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dominant dish toer. But yeah, how I would say, our
roles are pretty well defined. And that's that's key to life.
Of like, once you get married or live with somebody
like you kind of have to have some rolls about
certain things. And certain people are dirty, certain people are cleaner,
certain people like this, and you know, I would say
women have some tendencies to have some specific things, like
I'm pretty easy going. I don't even notice that much.

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But her, on the other hand, especially with with him,
and you just get like, uh, I guess this word's invogued,
over stimulated, and tensions get high. You just you just
try to keep everything you know, at peace in bay
and things clean and have a good meal at the
end of the day. But it's a great part about

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modern technology. If you don't have time to cook, you're
too exhausted, you just press a button and get literally
anything ordered to your front door. It's it's pretty remarkable.
Now the key is with a good door, dash Uber
eats whatever order no free ads. Here is to find
the type that travels well. Like when I was growing up,
one thing delivered and that was pizza, and you could

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call and the pizza would be delivered to your house.
Now maybe a Chinese restaurant maybe, but I feel like
we picked up Chinese. But other than that, Like we
were actually talking about this the other day, we went
out to breakfast this place called over Easy. It's pretty

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good breakfast joint. Guy Fieri went, there's dinner, drive is
and dives. Got some dirty eats. But you can also
just say, like I just got like an egg white
omelet with some cottage cheese. It was good. She got
a breakfast free. No, it's bomb. They got a bunch
of around Scottsdale. It might be a national chann Not
quite sure. Pretty sure this is a Phoenix thing. But
people even go out to eat that often when I

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was a kid, like I guess we went out to
eat sometimes as I got older, in like high school,
but like going out to eat in the nineties, they were,
like I would imagine maybe rich people went out a
lot but like most people did not like go out
to eat, you go out to eat now, kids everywhere people,
everyone goes out to eat. It's pretty normal to go

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out to eat. I just think that is something that
has dramatically changed for whatever reason. Maybe people just like
the average person has more money, the average person is
just more and more likely to just go eat than
maybe my parents' generation, who's probably a little cheaper because
they definitely grew up way poorer on the aggregate, you know,

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in the fifties or sixties or whatever. But people just
go out to eat a lot now. I mean, you
just go to these restaurants and they are just packed.
I mean, and taking a child to restaurant at any moment,
you've got to taking time bomb, especially at his age.
But yeah, man, uh, I don't know where I was

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going there other than that I gotta go put the
filets on the barbecue. Have a great night, or have
a great day or morning, or wherever it may be.
And congrats to the NFL for having an incredible day.
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