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June 11, 2024 60 mins

John discusses how Dan Hurley turning down the Lakers job says a lot about where the Lakers are right now and also how that decision relates to college and NFL head coaches. John also dives into Christian McCaffrey getting an extension with the 49ers and how his relationship with Kyle Shanahan is a match made in heaven, does Dan Campbell need to take a step back with how he coaches, did the Jets get it wrong with Haason Reddick and John's reaction to the Caitlin Clark saga.

Lastly, John answers your questions during this episode's mailbag segment.

6:50 - Dan Hurley and the Lakers

21:07 - The 49ers and McCaffrey

32:09 - The Lions and OTA's

33:51 - The Jets and Haason Reddick

36:40 - Caitlin Clark

42:27 - Mailbag

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A man on the men feel a little bit better.
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water right next to me to keep it going. A
lot going on today because Dan Hurley turns down the Lakers,
and I just want to dive into the overall landscape
of college sports professional sports. Is there that big a

(02:11):
difference given that the money is so similar now in
terms of the two professions, and all you see online
is the negativity about college sports. I'd argue they've never
had more power as a college football coach or a
college basketball coach. The forty nine ers last week I
didn't get to talk about it. Gave McCaffrey a big raise.

(02:32):
Trent Williams now wants a raise. Brandon a yuch situation.
What does it mean for him? So we'll dive into that.
Lion's got in a little trouble Jets and the Reddick
situation a little bizarre, and then of course a little
tangent Tuesday on Caitlin Clark and the omission of her
spot on the Olympic roster for the women. We'll also

(02:56):
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(03:16):
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(03:39):
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(05:24):
are It's what makes sports great. You like teams and
you hate teams, and I'm a jaded sports fan in
the sense of my fandom in my youth is not
quite the same. People like middle goof you're a forty
nine Ers fan, It's not the same as it was
when I was a kid. I root for him to
win because it's good for business, but when they lose,

(05:45):
like I was very very happy for Andy Reid. I
grew up a diehard San Francisco Giants fan. You couldn't
pay me to watch them play right now, I just
do not care. I like sports because of what I
do now in terms of my fandom for the stories
like this is my business. I'm jealous of people of

(06:06):
their pure fandom that just left me a long time,
and sometimes I wish I could get that back, and
I have it occasionally, definitely when i'd gamble. But the
Lakers story when Dan Hurley, who's back to back national
championship woes, comes out last week that the Lakers are
all in on him, he's their number one target one.

(06:28):
It's always a little bit weird in the NBA or
the NFL when a story like that comes out and
the job's been vacant for thirty plus days. Now. In football,
when people interview college coaches, a lot of times it's
in early January, and you gotta be a little secretive
because you're right in the swing of recruiting. It's just

(06:52):
it's a transitionary time. Some of these teams are still
playing in bowl games. It's weird we're talking. We're in
the middle of the summer. So this story always was
a little bizarre to me. I never thought he was
gonna take it, partly because I don't think the Lakers
is a great job, like Jerry Buss, isn't there genius
and I'm sorry, Like on the ownership scale NFL, NBA,

(07:16):
i'd put her near the bottom. Now, the franchise, the brand,
it's a big deal, right the Lakers, the Cowboys, the Yankees.
There are certain brands that are just bigger than others.
But when the news came out today, he didn't take
the job, to say the least, I was not shocked.
Now we can read deeper into it. I don't care
that much about all the media dynamics, woes for shams

(07:39):
and whatever. Clearly he used this as leverage. He's gonna
get a pay raise. But forever, college sports was not
as good of a job, especially like when I was younger,
because you got paid more money going to the pros.
You got paid more money, and you could churn your roster.

(08:00):
I remember being at Fresno State and one of the
reasons I aspired to get to the NFL. I wasn't
making any money at Fresno State, and when I got
hired in the NFL, I wasn't gonna make any money there.
I thought how cool it was to be able to
if a guy wasn't playing well enough, you could cut him,
you could trade for a guy. You could make constant
roster moves three sixty five right, you had the draft,

(08:23):
you had free agency. In college football for a long time,
it was you know, the signing day, that guy was
on your roster unless he got in trouble or whatever.
But if he was academically ineligible, you were kind of
stuck with him. Well, in the modern day college athletics,
with the transfer portal and with nil it is much

(08:45):
more closer to professional sports than it ever was. So
when you have a player you don't like, or you
have a player that you didn't sign in high school
and you want to get access to him, it happens
all the time. We see constant moves. So when you
over the years, like obviously guys have made the jump.
When I was with the Eagles. The first guy Howie

(09:07):
and Jeffrey Lury tried to sign when Andy Reid was
fired was Bill O'Brien. Now, he was reluctant to leave
Penn State because he had just taken over. It was
after Joe Paul. He ended up leaving a year or
two later to the Houston Texans right and ended up
hiring Chip Kelly, who initially pushed back and said no
as well. And if you remember the year before, he

(09:27):
had basically accepted the Tampa Bay job and then pulled out.
Billy Donovan did something similar with the Orlando Magic before
a couple of years later he took the OKAC job.
So we've seen a lot of college coaches be hesitant. Well,
now with the money you're making. For years it was
like when is the Cowboys or when is someone gonna
sign Lincoln Riley? And he kept saying no. It's like, hey, guys,

(09:49):
I make eight to ten million dollars. I answer to nobody.
There is no one at the school who tells me
what to do, and there is definitely no one in
the football operations gartment that tells me who to put
on my roster. And once you go to the pros.
Like you have a GM who has the ear of
the owner, who has a lot of influence, you do

(10:11):
not have to deal with that in college sports. We
just had my buddy Derek Ray, who is the GM
of Florida State. He doesn't control personnel. Mike Norvel does.
And if you go to the SEC, or you go
to the Big Ten and you look at their you know,
staff rosters, they all have general managers. Now, those gms

(10:34):
work for the coach, like the offensive coordinator, the d
line coach, the director of football ops. No different, they're
titles different, they do a different role, but the coach
is one in charge of the roster. So now with
the cash flowing into the SEC and the Big Ten,
if you don't think teams have sniffed around on Kirby Smart,

(10:57):
you'd be high on sniffing glue. They surely have. But
if you're Kirby Smart and you're making ten, twelve, fifteen
million dollars in the foreseeable future, you answer to nobody.
There is no owner at the University of Georgia. The
president is surely not telling you what to do. And
when it comes to your football program, you are the

(11:17):
grand pooh bah. You're the owner, you're the GM, and
you're the head coach, and that is something you just
will never have in pro sports. I don't care how
much juice you have. So the Belichickian days of full
control are dead. They do not exist anymore, and they're
not going to exist moving forward. What was the big

(11:39):
theme of this offseason? Owners wanted collaborative approaches. That's why
Belichick wasn't getting any interviews. People wanted a GM and
a coach to all be Kumbayo, and we all know
that's impossible. That's never Obviously, you need a GM and
a coach to work and have a good working relationship.

(12:01):
Andy Reid and Brett Veach are more than just colleagues.
They're very very close friends. Same thing with John Lynch
and Kyle Shanahan or Lesneaed and Sean McVay, or you
know John Harbaugh and Ozzie and now DaCosta. But when
a decision needs to get made, someone has to say
yes or no. Everyone else is essentially just making a suggestion.

(12:23):
And that's what you get in college sports. That's what
Kirby Smart has, that's what Lane Kiffin has, That's what
Dan Hurley has. That's what John Calipari has had for years.
Now we can say he's an overrated coach. He's turned
down countless NBA jobs because he goes, I'm already making
huge money and no one tells me what to do.

(12:45):
And I do wonder moving forward, if it's going to
be harder to get these guys to jump. Because all
we hear and listen, it's in vogue to complain, it's
in vogue to write articles about everyone in college sports
bitchin and moment. But these guys have never made more money.
And while they've always had a lot of power, now
they have the mechanisms to clear a roster. If you're

(13:08):
not good enough, you just leave. I'm talking about the player,
like you can't come back anymore. I forget the quarterback
for Ohio State last year who started well, what happened
this offseason? They essentially told him, like, you're not good enough,
You're not gonna play here. What do you do get
in the transfer portal? See you audios. Before that guy
just would have been on the team. It would have

(13:28):
been weird because for him to transfer, he would have
lost a season. Now it's like he just leaves he
gets to play somewhere else, some you know, for another team,
and it's just like just kind of rid your hands
of it and the other thing in college sports, and
I've heard this from my scouting buddies who go through
all these programs with nil. These coaches now look at

(13:48):
a lot of players much more transactional, like, hey, we
know you're getting four hundred grand, you better produce and
if you don't, we're gonna tell you can't play here.
And that's just not really the way it worked before.
So there are gonna be a lot of different angles
on this Dan Hurley situation. But I think when you
get a great job in college sports, in basketball or football,

(14:13):
it's not that much different than the pros anymore. It
actually has a lot more similarities. Now, if you want
to argue, in the pros, you get a guy under contract,
that's true, like he can't just hit the transfer portal.
But we know in football, unless you get huge guaranteed money,
I can just cut you at any moment. And that's
kind of what's happening in college sports. So not shocked

(14:35):
at all to see Dan Hurley turn down this job.
I would imagine he's gonna get a massive raise. But
this notion that like you gotta go to the late
you do. I don't think so. I don't think so
at all. Now we get into the dynamics of that roster.
This is not an NBA show, but we've seen this
happen a lot. These college coaches turn down these pro

(14:59):
jobs that before probably wouldn't have happened. Now, Colin I
watched him today and he's always had this thing, you know,
don't try to fight happiness, like there's no happier on
the other side of the fence. And I'm a huge
believer in regionality, like where you're from, the culture of it. Now,

(15:22):
you could argue in pro sports, we've seen guys from
the East Coast come to the West Coast and guys
of the West Coast and go to the East Coast.
I do believe you're at your best when your personality
is with the region in which you coach. And Dan
Hurley's a Northeast guy, He's gonna move to southern California,
it would have been weird. Now. I'm also a believer

(15:46):
that like that style won't work or this style will work.
I think great coaches, just like anyone great in their field,
can adapt and can change and can improve on things
that are not working. Jim Harbaugh is a great example.
He's probably one of the more unique guys who've done

(16:09):
both because he's had so much success in college sports,
right dominated San Diego, resurrected Stanford, and then just won
a national championship Michigan. But he was a fifteen year
NFL quarterback. So it's like, yeah, he didn't coach all
those years in the NFL. Beside his stint with the
forty nine ers, he spent fifteen years playing, Like that

(16:32):
has to account for something. I love it when people
like I can't believe they just hired Luke McCown or
Brian Greasy has no experience. Well, yeah, he was playing
in his twenties and thirties. Sitting in those meetings with
the quarterback coach, with the offensive coordinator, and with the
head coach. It's different. It's not the same daily routine,

(16:55):
but it's got to account for something. It's got to
equal some sort of transferable knowledge. So I think Lane
Kiffin is a guy that one day could be coaching
in the NFL. Lincoln Starr has definitely dimmed. I think
Kirby Smart is always a guy to keep an eye on.
Ryan Day, I don't know, a little soft for me.

(17:17):
People like you're just a hater. Yeah, I kind of am.
Like it's I like hating some people in sports. That's
healthy for that's that creates this whole business. You don't
have to like everybody. Look at the PGA Tour. Everyone's
friends with everyone. Business is down because liv took all
the bad guys. Like you gotta have some guys to
root against. And I'm not saying Ryan Day doesn't know

(17:37):
what he's doing. He just wouldn't be my first hire. Uh,
but we've seen Billy Oh obviously Chip had a little stint.
It's not like you'll never see a guy make the
jump again. I just think it's easier to turn stuff
down now, given how much you're making and how much
power you have over changing your roster. The forty nine ers.

(18:09):
I can't remember if it was Thursday night or a
Wednesday night when the forty nine ers traded for Christian McCaffrey,
but I was literally recording my podcast, so I did
just an impromptu sudden reaction. And my first reaction when
they traded for him is I said it was reckless,
and it got old takes exposed all over the place
after Christian McCaffrey just signed this big extension. And I

(18:32):
don't blame I was obviously wrong, but my logic, like
most people, was like, God, you're gonna trade for an
expensive running back who has been injured. That's kind of crazy.
And one thing I learned now, obviously McCaffrey has been
very durable and he's played a lot. Injuries unlike what

(18:54):
kind of slowed him down in Carolina, have not been
a problem in San Francisco. But the thing I truly
under estimated was one, He's not a running back, He's
a weapon. And to the fit, some people are just
meant to be together, and to me, that's Kyle Shanahan
and Christian McCaffrey. They are if you had football heaven,

(19:16):
of every coach and player in the history of the sport,
those two would have belonged together. And I saw today
that it's the seventeenth anniversary of the Sopranos final episode.
And I'm a huge mob guy, love all. I'm not
in the Mob, but I just mean I love all
mob movies. I watch a ton of mob documentaries, I'm

(19:39):
just it fascinates me. You should put me something on TV.
I won't move if it's mob related from the fifties,
the sixties, the seventies. I was talking to someone the
other day about al Capone. I'm just fascinated by it.
And Tony, in my opinion, is the greatest individual television
character of my lifetime. Now I'm sure some of you disagree,

(20:01):
but I think universally he would be considered a top
two or three character. He's just incredible. And you know
the crazy part about that is James Gandolfini Rest in
Peace was like a theater hippie. He was nothing in
real life like Tony Soprano. Yet when you watch that show,

(20:21):
you're like, this guy was like this guy real life mobster.
Like no, he's like a pot smoking theater guy. He's
a hippie. That's what James Gandalfini was in real life
outside of the character, but the show, the writing, the
character in him is probably one of the greatest fits

(20:42):
in the history of entertainment. It just worked. And to me,
that's Christian McCaffrey and Kyle Shanahan because since he's been
on the team, obviously he's dominated on the ground. We
all consider him the best running back currently in the NFL.
He's played I think twenty six regular season games for
the forty nine ers. He has over twenty three one

(21:05):
hundred yards a ton of touchdowns on the ground, but
he has one hundred and twenty catches and he has
eleven touchdowns receiving. So what he brings to that team,
which is not a high powered passing attack. They run
a lot of screens, run a lot of quick screens.

(21:26):
They run a lot of stuff in the passing game
around the line of scrimmage. I was wrong about Christian
McCaffrey coming out of college. I thought he was much
more destined to be like a slot receiver. My comp
was much more like Julian Edelman or Wes Welker. Obviously
wrong there as well, And David Shaw told me and
told everyone that would listen, like, you guys are all morals.

(21:48):
This is a dominant inside runner between the tackles, and
he's proven to be. But his prowess in the passing
game is unmatched. He's elite to me. The two best
all around running backs of the last twenty five years
are Marshall Falk and Ladanian Tomlinson. Those two guys are

(22:08):
actually ahead of their time because they would have been
tailor made for this modern game because of how dominant
they were in the passing game and how versatile of
players they were, Like Adrian Peterson is one of the
great pure running backs in NFL history. You hand him
the ball and at any moment he goes seventy and

(22:29):
go eighty. He can break couple tackles, He can jump
over a guy, You can run over a guy bad
in the passing game, awful pass protecture, which is kind
of crazy because of how big the guy was. McCaffrey
is an all around back, and that is the running
back position has been devalued because just running the ball
is not as valuable in a passing league. But when

(22:52):
you can average five or six catches a game and
be a total mismatch in the open field, like, what's
the difference of Christian McCaffrey and a wide receiver And
the reality is the only difference is he's cheaper even
with a big race, because he's gonna make nineteen million
dollars for the next several years. Well, Brandon Ayuk is

(23:14):
currently begging essentially for thirty million dollars a year. I
like Brandon Ayuk a lot. He is a winning football player.
He's a really good player. But on the forty nine Ers,
he'll probably never have more than eighty catches a year.
So are you gonna pay thirty million dollars a year
for a guy who's production while good? Last year he

(23:35):
had fourteen hundred yards because he gets a bunch of
yards after the catch, and he's a great route runner,
is never gonna be I'm and Ross Saint Brown, who
I think over the last couple of years has averaged
over one hundred and ten catches a year. So if
Brandon Ayuk's getting you seventy five and this guy's averaging
one hundred and ten, that's a big gap of the targets.
And a huge reason is this is the forty nine

(23:57):
ers philosophical belief on how to play offensive football. They're
run by their head coach, who's their play color. And
you insert Christian McCaffrey in that, it's perfect. He is
the ideal player. And I said it a couple of weeks.
I'll promise you this. They will give McCaffrey a raise
more money before they ever give Brandon Nayuk his contract

(24:19):
extension and that played out. It doesn't mean Brandon Ayuke
won't get paid, but Christian McCaffrey is more valuable to
the forty nine ers. They paid Deebo Samuel a ton
of money a couple of years ago because he carried
them in twenty twenty one to the NFC Championship Game.
He was remarkable. Well, six months later they traded for

(24:41):
McCaffrey and it's rendered him not as as not as important.
Deebo is still very talented, but his flaws now, like,
we don't need you to run the ball as much.
Why we got Christian. We need you to be outside
and get open. Well, that's not really his thing. He's like, well,
I'm a wide back. Can I also go in the back?
It's like, no, that's where Christian goes. So it's kind

(25:03):
of thrown off the flow of some of the way
they've allocated their money. And if you look at the
three most important players on the forty nine ers offense,
to me, it starts with Christian McCaffrey. You could argue too,
is Trent Williams. He's the best left tackle in the
National Football League. And Jeremy Fowler. I saw on the

(25:25):
old X, as my mother calls it, that there are
some rumblings that he might want to raise. If I
was him, I'd want to raise two one. I don't
have that much football left in me. I'm thirty five
years old. We all agree I'm by far the best
left tackle in football and one of the great most
talented left tackles in the history of the game. And
I'm making what nineteen twenty million dollars a year because

(25:46):
if I was in my prime, which I still am,
I'm just older, like I'm still playing. As if I'm
in my prime. What am I worth on the open market?
Thirty five million dollars a year? The left tackle market,
in a weird way, is a little you know, it
hasn't exploded because there hasn't been this influx of great tackles.

(26:07):
And as I've said, like the wide receiver market has boomed,
why be cause there's been a lot of really good
wide receivers. The pass rusher market has boomed, why cause
there's been a lot of high end, Hall of Fame
level pass rushers. The tackle market hasn't quite kept up
because there hasn't been the same level of player at
that position. Well, trends like I'm still there, and I
never have a problem with an established veteran who goes

(26:32):
this number ain't working for me. I'm worth way more.
You know it, I know it, we all know it.
So if I'm the forty nine ers, I gladly give
him a little raise. And this kind of trickles down
to you don't even hesitate giving Trent Williams a race.
You don't even hesitate giving Christian an extension. Now, granted,
these raises and these extensions aren't near the money in

(26:54):
which you'd have to give Brandon Ayuk, but the complicated
part with him just gets back to does it make
sense to break the bank when I'm never gonna play
like that as an offensive. I'm Kyle Shanahan. We're never
gonna rely on you to be Jerry Rice, to help
be some of these other guys in the NFL, what
Davante Adams was doing with Aaron Rodgers, what Justin Jefferson

(27:17):
has done since he's got to Minnesota the way Ceedee
Lamb and they depend on him in Dallas. We're not
gonna depend on you like that yet because of the market.
That's what you say you deserve to be paid. Does
it make sense for us to allocate the money that way?
Like the Eagles pay their two wide receivers a lot
of money. Yeah, they throw it all the time. They

(27:38):
are a passing offense. The forty nine ers half their passes,
it feels like are around the line of scrimmage. So
I just wonder I don't blame them. Christian McCaffrey, easy decision.
Trent Williams, I'd have him broken off before training camp
even starts the Brandon Nyuk thing, like I understand if

(27:59):
you just kind of want to play it out, like,
hey man, I don't know if we go to thirty million.
I also understand if they pay him. He's a really
good player. We drafted him, a high character guy. We
love him on the team. He stands for. These situations
are complicated. Not every high end player just makes sense
when it talked. When we start talking about these second
contracts on teams, like the Tuo argument is like it

(28:23):
is to good enough? Is too a good enough? No?
One can't answer that question because we all kind of
know the answer. Not really, he's not the market is
the market? Well? Is he good enough? Like I know
Brandon Ayuk is good enough. I can win with him
at the highest level, but like, could I win with
someone else in that position for a quarter of the
price given the way we play offense and not every

(28:47):
team plays offense the same way, right Obviously the Packers
now with this young, explosive passing game, their wide receivers statistically,
if they can stay Healthierre gonna have great numbers. I
have a hard time I'm seeing a forty nine or
wide receiver ever have these unjust eye popping numbers that
some of these other wide receivers around the league have

(29:09):
a couple other NFL stories, you always hear this because
it's like the low hanging fruit. The players have no
say in the NFL, just constantly getting screwed, which is
complete bullshit. They've never made more money. They actually, during
the last CBA agreement, had a lot of ass They
wanted a lot less practice. That was their prerogative and

(29:29):
they got it. It was an easy one for the league.
It's like, well, we'll just keep more money, you guys
get less practice. But that they were pounding the table
for that. It's bad negotiations, but that's what they wanted.
One thing that isn't arguable that if you scur around
in OTAs, they have some pretty strict rules right about
pressing about obviously you don't tackle because you're in shorts
and t shirt, but just about the level of physicality.

(29:52):
If you break those rules, these players will turn you
in and you will get in trouble. We have seen
it happen for years. It happened to John Harbaugh, and
it happened a couple of weeks ago with the Lions,
and now as of Monday, they had one of their
mandatory OTAs stripped away because they will turn you in
and you will immediately get in trouble, and that's what happened. Now.

(30:14):
Ultimately it doesn't impact anything. Losing one OTA practice doesn't
mean shit, but it just shows you if you're Dan Campbell,
no matter how much you and your players love each other,
when you start pushing the envelope. All these guys know
guys on other teams. So if I had to take
an educated guess, one thing that happened is like, are

(30:35):
you guys doing this? Is this happened at your practice?
And he's like, no, we're walking through this thing's a
country club. Some of the line's like, Eh, this thing's
getting a little too physical. Boom go to the NFLPA
rep League Office nailed the Jets. They traded Howie Rosenman

(30:56):
for Hassan Redick, who the Eagles obviously moved off of
when they signed Huff from the Jets to replace him,
because he wanted a new contract, and the Eagles had
zero desire to give him that new contract that they
weren't going to do it despite him being one of
their better players over the last couple of years. So

(31:18):
the Jets go, hey, we'll take them. One thing I
always laugh at is if you want to trade for
Brandon Ayuk right now? You know there were rumors I
think Mike Lombardi put it out that the Pittsburgh Steelers
almost traded for Brandon Ayuk during the draft. Well, if
they traded for him, if they didn't give him an
extension immediately, they would have the same situation on their

(31:42):
hands that the forty nine ers do. So when you
trade for a player who wants a new contract, we
saw years ago with the Bears when they traded all
those picks for Khalil Mack. Well what happened. They immediately
gave him an extension. The reason he was available was
because of the contract. So when the Jets trade for

(32:02):
Hassan Reddick, they didn't just trade for a player. It's like, ah,
what a gem by the Jets. How did they get him?
Because he wants more money? And then the report's offspring
is no one's talked to him. He hasn't shown up
at all. Well, of course not. You traded for a
player who wanted more money and you didn't immediately give

(32:25):
him more money. So why do you think someone else's
problem won't be your problem? And I just don't think
this thing is going away until the Jets give him
either a contract extension, a contract raise, whatever makes him happy.
But the reason he was unhappy wasn't because like I

(32:47):
don't really like South Philly, not a big chief steate guy,
Bryce Harper not doing it for me. It was because
of money. So now the Jets find themselves in the
same situation that the Eagles were literally in four or
five months ago. But they just got to unload their
problem to the Jets. And now the Jets have this
problem that they knew existed. So kind of a bizarre

(33:12):
looking trade given that there has been no contract, Like
I don't quite know what the endgame was here for
Joe Douglas and the Jets if they weren't willing to
give him either the contract extension or or more guaranteed
money or whatever he is specifically looking for. But we
know for a fact he was specifically looking for something,

(33:35):
so Jets being the Jets man. And last, but not least,
this Kaitlyn Clark is just a content machine. Was a
Saturday morning, you know, wake up, still kind of struggling,
check my phone, watching Scottie Scheffler storm his way to
another victory and see Kaitlyn Clark left off the Olympic team.

(33:57):
The Olympics are this summer in Paris, and a lot
of people were outraised and shocked. To me, it's the
least shocking thing probably in American history. Because if you
run a business and you are subsidized in that business
and it's never on you to be successful in terms
of turning a profit, how many people watch is irrelevant.

(34:21):
Why would you ever factor that in? It's like, how
is anyone ever shocked with the government's incompetence. They're just
spending money that isn't theirs. So when they constantly screw
up locally on the state level on the federal level,
Like we have a long history of this. Now, most
of these people didn't work in the private sector, have

(34:44):
a bunch of success and then to go work in government.
They've just been lifetime government officials or employees or you
know bureaucrats like the people in the WNBA who are
having and just struggling with the situation of her population already,
the influx of new viewership, the influx of potential new cash. Yeah,

(35:07):
they're overwhelmed by it because they never had to deal
with it before or understand it. So, yes, this is
a stupid decision, but I expect people that have never
successfully operated to make dumb decisions. It doesn't make any sense.
Why would you want more people to watch if it

(35:29):
never actually mattered how many people watched to make the
amount of money you were making, Because before no one
ever cared who was on this roster. No one ever
gave a shit beside people associated either with those you know,
with the individual players or around the WNBA. But we

(35:50):
weren't watching Women's Olympic basketball, right, they weren't. The star
power wasn't there were in the NBA the moment star
players wanted in, Like if Kobe wanted in, if Lebron
wanted in, if Steph wanted in, whatever, they were automatically
on the team. It's just part of the deal. Why,

(36:11):
Because people associated with men's basketball knows the power of marketing,
of making money. That's the business they're in. WNBA has
never fucking turned a profit in almost three decades, never
had to because the NBA had their back. So when
I see the incompetence of this situation, how is anyone shocked?

(36:32):
Obviously there are personal agendas. There's envy toward her, anyone
listening to this. In any of the businesses we're in.
If someone comes into the company we're working for, in
the business we own in, if you're you know, a
sales guy and someone presents you with an opportunity that

(36:53):
is going to generate you a lot more money, we
all have the same reaction, Well, what do we need
to do to make this happen? Right? Because that's the
world we live in. But that's not the world these
people running this women's basketball deal with the marketing. The
power of eyeballs has been irrelevant their entire run as

(37:16):
an industry. So yeah, when they left her off the
team because they're jealous of her because they hate her
popularity whatever, Like that's the way they've always kind of
thought about it, where the NBA has been the opposite,
even when they've brought on guys like I don't know
if Allen Iverson's a great fit for this team, but
what are we gonna do not have Alan Iverson on
the team who people want to watch? So I just

(37:39):
think it sucks. I mean I won't watch a dribble
and most people won't either. But yeah, this is par
for the course with this operation. Okay, Middlecoff mailbag very

(37:59):
very to get involved at John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff
is the Instagram handle fire in a lot like Andrew did.
First time listener, longtime poster, Your take on Oklahoma Lincoln
makes sense. Obviously, comparing Texas might be sore, but look
who they have scheduled as opponents in the past few years.

(38:22):
Even Texas played Notre Dame in twenty sixteen with Charlie Strong.
It's just weird and where there is smoke, there is fire. Okay,
if you read this far, I have two actual questions.
In the last two years, Belichick was the coach GM
of the Patriots. They seemed down and out. I know
tanking isn't a thing in the NFL, but part of

(38:44):
me thought maybe Bill was setting them for a higher
draft pick. But of course he was fired, which made
me think, okay, so he was trying to win the
whole time, but he struggled. So which is it? Is
he good coach or is he washed? Well? Agree on
the all these teams are playing people. LSU and Florida
State played back to back years. Oregon was supposed to

(39:06):
play Michigan. Washington was supposed to play Ohio State before
they even got into the conferences. It was canceled because
of the COVID years. But everyone's playing everybody now, like,
no more excuses, no more hiding, no more running. Every
coach is trying to win in the NFL. When you lose,
it's usually one of two things. One the roster sucks

(39:31):
or to your quarterback situation is a disaster, or roster sucks,
slash who make some bad coordinator hires slash the quarterback position.
I think two Bill falls under those two categories. What
he did with Patricia and Joe Judge is obviously something
he'd like to have back. There's no disputing that it

(39:51):
was a low point of his storied career. Happened Andy Reid.
He made one castile when I was with the Eagles,
the defensive coordinator. Obviously he would like to have that
one back. Sometimes you make a move, maybe a little
outside the box, that deep in your soul you believe

(40:12):
can work, and then it's a disaster. I would say
that Patricia Joe Judge thing was crazier because you know,
at the time we had hired Jim Washburn, Todd Bowles
was on the staff. I think we thought that we
could help him out. Clearly backfired and was a disaster.

(40:32):
The difference is with Belichick, it's like you had a
second year quarterback and then by the third year Mac
Jones was a shot fighter one. He's not good enough
to overcome dysfunction. He's not talented enough to uplift average
talent around him. Bad offensive line play. I think here's

(40:56):
one thing with Bill. He was always very, very hesitant
to hire outside right. His coordinators were always guys that
worked their way up, from Josh McDaniels to Patricia to
Brian Flores. He like getting you on the ground floor,
creating you, and then influencing the way you coached, and

(41:20):
then if you became Josh or Flores or one of
those guys. I'm not saying he didn't give you the
ability to call the game, but you were calling the
game through his eyes because he had taught you everything.
And I think he ran out of those guys. You know,
Dante Scarnekia was one of his right hand men. Well
when that guy retired, what happened to their offensive line play?

(41:41):
It kind of disintegrated. Well, when you look at Andy Reid,
what he has done in Kansas City here, it adds
up the box a little bit. He didn't know Eric
b Enemy when he originally hired him, David Tobe. It's
not like they had worked together with the Eagles. You know,
you have to be He's hired guy from college who
immediately become position coaches. You gotta be willing to do

(42:04):
that now. When you're comfortable with a coach, it helps,
just because hiring outside doesn't guarantee you anything. Look Kyle
Shanahan with Steve Wilkes, but I think Belichick was he
missed on the quarterback wasn't good enough. So did everyone
in that draft except Jacksonville. And that's still up for
debate moving forward, and the coaching hires were a debacle,

(42:27):
and then obviously missed on draft picks. So it was
just the perfect kind of combination. But like you watched
the Patriots, they weren't some joke operation. They had no offense,
their defense was good, and he drafted a kicker who
couldn't kick. So I don't think Bill is washed in
the sense of like he can't coach. I think he
needs a good offensive coordinator and he needs a quarterback

(42:49):
better than Mac Jones if he's ever going to have
any success now is he? Is he a lock to
get another job? I don't feel great. Who knows. I'd
say it's fifty to fifty. I think there's a decent
chance he never coaches again in the NFL, which is crazy,
but part of its age. You know, It's not like
if he skips multiple years, he's gonna come back at
seventy five, seventy six. That's probably not gonna happen. Started

(43:13):
following you since the draft coverage, li'sten new daily Now
I have a question, don't know if it's Fugazi Friday related.
Why isn't there a dual threat kicker in the NFL
punter and place kicker seems like it would be a
valuable asset to a team by also saving a roster spot.
I don't know how kickers just focus on skill rather

(43:36):
than both coming up through college or whatever. I think
they're two distinctly different kind of operations. Like if you
just had Justin Tucker hunt a ball in practice, I
bet he could punt a ball pretty high in pretty far,
but can't he do it consistently? And a huge part

(43:58):
now with punting, for example, is directional punting, So can
you kind of do that ossy end over end, Like
most of these guys have good leg obviously. It's like
there are a lot of guys in these long drive
competitions who couldn't sniff making a cut on the corn
Ferry Tour, let alone the PGA Tour, but they hit

(44:19):
it way farther than everyone on the PGA Tour. So
it's very, very skill related. And I can't pretend to
know that much about kicking and punting beside being around
them when I was in college in the pros. I
just think there are two opposite ends of the spectrum
in terms of the skill that it requires, and I

(44:40):
think it's fair to say that the reason it hasn't
happened because it's not really possible. Maybe there is one
individual that we'll see be able once upon a time,
you know, moving forward, that it happens. But like a
lot of guys pitch and hit in college, they're not

(45:01):
able to do it in the pros. That's why what
o'tani was doing was so insane. Like there are a
lot of guys that in Major League Baseball who are
good hitters, who could probably throw ninety five miles an hour,
but they wouldn't be good pitchers, right, No different than
a lot of good punters probably can't place kick to
save their life. So I don't It's hard for me

(45:24):
to get too in depth because you know, I'm not
a kicker, But having washed the way these guys operate,
I just think it's a lot different. Now. You could argue, well,
they got so much time on their hands, why don't
they practice the other one? I wonder if it's just
one of those skills that you can't kind of master,

(45:44):
because that's what you have to do. You have to
master it. You could argue even at the college, but
definitely at the pro level. And if you're not a
master by you time you get to the pros, I
can't risk my job with I got a high end
punner who's a decent field goal kicker, but I can't
trust them from outside forty yards. Now, you could argue
a lot of field goal kickers you can't trust outside
of forty yards. But interesting question question for the bag.

(46:13):
This is in regards to the Kirk Cousins deal with Atlanta.
If Pennix does look amazing and ends up beating Cousins
out for the starting job, could Atlanta trade him without
having to pay the fully guaranteed money. Example, after this
year Penix looks the part and beats him out, what

(46:34):
would Atlanta get for him a fourth round pick? Also,
would the team trading for him be responsible for some
of that fully guaranteed money or would it be Atlanta's
responsibility to pay the fully guaranteed for the rest of
the term to his new team. The problem with this
is when you guarantee the money, so I don't have

(46:57):
Cousins contract in front of me, but I'm pretty sure
he got like a fifty million dollars signing bonus, so
the guaranteed money is all paid out within the first
you know like twelve months of the contract. So Cousins
the influx of cash he's getting from the Atlanta Falcons
from the moment he signed that deal till the start
of next free agency is and I'm not Howie Roseman

(47:18):
or Prague. Here is a lot, so you could unload
some of it. Now, Cousins has a no trade clause,
but let's just say he'd wave it, because if he's
not going to start there, I think he would wave it.
Atlanta is paying a bunch of the cash, just like
the Broncos only had Russell for two years, but they
paid over well over one hundred millions of one hundred

(47:42):
million dollars to Russell Wilson. The other problem is is
when you guarantee the money, it is on your books.
So all that signing bonus and true guaranteed money that
you put in this contract, even if you can finagle
some of it to another team, you still account for

(48:03):
that in your accounting. And that's why when you sign
these huge contracts, you can't really trade the player early
on in the deal because the way the contract is
set up. Like the reason the Broncos are getting crushed
on the salary cap is because you spread that money
out over the life of the deal, and what do

(48:25):
you usually do? You backload it, not frontloaded. It's the
head scratching part of the financial situation. It's like, wait,
you're basically on the books, tied to this guy for
like three years, and you have this ready made rookie
who's on a four year contract. Like what The timelines

(48:47):
never paralleled each other. So what you're saying can happen
in baseball and in basketball. That's where it gets very,
very tricky in the NFL because the way you write
these contracts for the salary cap mailbag quarterback weight loss.
Recently noticed Lamar Toua dropping some significant weight. I'm jealous.

(49:12):
These are high end athletes. They pay attention to nutrition
like chemists. Is strategic and I'm fascinated to watch it unfold.
Could this be a trend for specific offensive archetypes and
quarterbacks lowering the player weight to compliment the ever increasing
offensive leaning league as quarterbacks are getting protected more now

(49:36):
than ever and after touching the ball thoughts go aggies.
I think he means the UC Davis aggies. I don't know.
I haven't thought that much into it. I actually don't
think you're protected in the sense of you get penalties
when you get hit, but you still get hit. So

(49:58):
to a like is the reason they faltered? I guess
two years ago, who can cuss and not planned? But
last year is the reason they didn't make the playoffs
because he carried ten extra pounds, or is the reason
they didn't make the playoffs is because of his average
arm doesn't translate to freezing cold temperatures. Because I don't

(50:26):
know what weight loss for Tua, specifically Lamar, I haven't
seen any pictures of dramatic weight loss. Helly hasn't been
in camp. I haven't seen him. He would have a
better idea of I need to be a little quicker
when I run. I don't know I can avoid hits
because I'm such a great athlete. Too is a pocket quarterback.
So if I'm a pocket quarterback, I want a little girth.

(50:49):
Why because I'm gonna get hit Like Rivers, Eli, Peyton
Tom they're sitting duck. Tu was a sitting duck. Well,
I can't quite understand it unless he thinks he's gonna
get more athleticism being a little skinnier. But you kind

(51:09):
of are who you are as an athlete might help
for like a marathon, but not a quick sprint away
from a high end linebacker. But I'm with you, this
was done for a reason with Tua, like there was
a reason behind it. He thinks it's gonna make him
a better player. I don't logically can figure out the

(51:32):
reason because he's not a scramble guy. I think it's
a bad move would be my initial reaction. The other
thing is, you know, weights weird with players. Sometimes if

(51:53):
you're legit too heavy, it's a problem. Right Shack had
moments when he got too heavy. It happens offensive and
defensive lineman. Right Jordan Davis clearly there are some times
when he's too heavy. I'm just I'm not trying to
throw Jordan Davis under the bus. But he's a guy
who's weigh you know, three fifty. Obviously there's a big
difference if you lose twenty pounds for for endurance. But

(52:18):
I think with a quarterback, why does losing Let's just
pick a number twelve fifteen pounds when you're not that big,
like if you're Roethlisberger, any weigh two hundred and sixty five,
two hundred and seventy pounds if you want to lose
two hundred and fifty pounds because you think it easier
on your joints, you're still huge. Understand it. I don't

(52:39):
quite get it with Tua. I don't understand the long
term outlook by making this move, like what you're trying
to accomplish by it. I guess what is your hot
take for this upcoming season? Is there if any NFL
team you're high on that everyone else is not. Are

(53:01):
there any teams that everyone else is high on that
you think will be terrible? I had a buddy text
me this like gambling philosophy, that he's going to try
to do basically all these parlays of division winners, and
he was going to keep a couple of them the
same and then kind of rotate several divisions. But the
Niners the chiefs in Atlanta, and I said one anytime,

(53:29):
I got a ton of parlays going this week for
the US Open, because scottis Scheffler's odds are so bad,
so I basically parlayed him to win with a bunch
of like top ten and top twenty guys. But it's risky,
like anytime that you need multiple things to hit. I
do believe though that most people and I don't want

(53:52):
to say universal agreement, but when you just say the
NFC South people are like Atlanta Atlanta, I can't go
that far. I actually don't think Atlanta's gonna win the division.
I would go with Tampa in New Orleans, and I
said I would never pick a team with Derek Carr

(54:13):
and Dennis Allen as their head coach to win the
division again because I picked him last year, I actually
pivoting back. I might pick him to win the division.
I am not gonna pick Atlanta, and I am not
gonna pick Atlanta to make the playoffs. I think that
situation is gonna be weird. And this notion that like
a team that's won seven games three straight years is

(54:33):
just some lock to now be good with a coach
that they didn't just hire Bill Walsh. I know he's
a hot coaching candidate and Raheem Morris, but he's a
defensive guy as well. I would say Atlanta for sure.
I'm not picking him to make the playoffs. I feel
pretty good about that. I'm not saying I'm gonna be right.
I'm just I think most people are gonna pick him
make the playoffs, and I I'm not I think they'll

(54:55):
finish third in that division. For the bag. The Deck
Prescott narrative is the most painful thing to live through
as a Cowboys fan. He has one legit playoff win
in his entire career, yet the sports media at large
acts like this guy carries Dallas every year and when
he plays like dog water, somehow skates by criticism. I

(55:18):
don't know about that. I think Dak gets criticized. I
cannot wait for him to go to a different team
and disappoint them for a few years. And if some
dumbmass organization wants to pay him fifty five plus million
dollars a year, I will drive from the West coast
right now for free and pick him up and drive
him to your facility. I'll defend Dak on this. I

(55:44):
don't mind the forty million dollar number now. I thought
at the time it was crazy. But if he just
if he had a couple more years playing for forty
million dollars, I do believe that he is capable of
having a month stretch where he plays really well and
all of a sudden, you guys are in the Super Bowl.
I'm saying in a hypothetical world. It hasn't happened, and,

(56:04):
like you said, hasn't even come close to happening because
he's played shitty in the playoffs. He's played bad in
the playoffs. He's had three clunkers three years in a row,
forty nine ers three years ago, forty nine ers two
years ago, through two picks on the road when the
defense was unreal, and then last year his first half

(56:25):
was an embarrassment as well as the defense. But is
he capable of having a two game stretch like Eli
Manning had in the playoffs and all of a sudden
you're in the NFC team. I do think he's capable
of that. I don't believe two is capable of all
of a sudden, the Dolphins are in the AFC Championship game.
McDaniel can put every meeting at the twenty fourth minute
of the hour, Mike, None of that matters if that's

(56:48):
your quarterback, None of it matters to me. Dak is.
But the problem with Dak now free agent year, how
much you have to pay him. The one thing is
when you do sign a big extension with a quarterback
those first couple of years, his cap number is way lower.
The reason Dak's cap number is high this year, so

(57:09):
high because the last year of his deal, like we said,
we backload everything because of the guaranteed money. So yeah,
I think you're in a conundrum. The problem for you is,
and I understand what you're saying, like, I'm just tired
of it. I'm just tired of it. And I don't
blame you because, like we just win multi you know,
twelve games a year, then all of a sudden wh
in the playoffs and we're just done. Who's gonna be

(57:32):
your quarterback? Okay, let's say you let him walk. Who's
gonna be your quarterback? Trey Lance? Like, who's your option?
You're not gonna suck? So you're not You're not gonna
have the number one pick in the draft. And I
don't think this is a great quarterback year for the draft,
at least sitting here in the middle of summer. Middle

(57:52):
of summer is strong, early summer. That's kind of the
conundrum you're in. That's where Jerry's in this weird spot,
and it's also where Dak does have it's crazy to
say still has some leverage. Okay, you guys aren't gonna
play with me. Good luck. See you. I'll go to
the Raiders because they will sign me. But who are
you gonna play with? It's part of the reason the

(58:17):
Lakers are gonna sign Lebron James. They're not winning a championship,
they got no chance. But he does keep him relevant,
and he does keep them in the playoff mix, and
Dak does keep you in the playoff mix, and there
is something to be said for that. And you can
argue I want more, and I don't blame you, but
how do you do that? Like how do you acquire

(58:38):
a top ten quarterback? And the answer is you can't
unless you just get lucky in the draft like you
did with Dak Prescott. And I think the hard part
is with Dak. And this is the hard part. I
think sometimes in pro sports is when the front office

(58:58):
and the coaching, when people really like the guy that's
worth something, it's easy to get rid of someone you
don't like, like Jay Cutler's driving me nuts or you
know whatever. We've seen a lot of these situations over
the years. Aaron Rodgers with all the bs driving me
nuts with him, you know, threatening to retire and not showing.
It's like that kind of does everything the right way,

(59:22):
which is probably working against you making the pivot. But
the unknown scary man, The unknown scary, it really is.
And if you have no answer at quarterback. He's a
flawed player, but at least he's a Pro Bowl level
guy in the NFC and can get you in the mix.

(59:44):
You remove that, I think the answer is what do
you do now? If your mindset is never always hesitating
to worry about the unknown, you're never gonna get anywhere
in life. But I think it's easier said than done
when it comes to the quarterback, because when it's why
what the What the Vikings did was pretty ballsy. Now,

(01:00:04):
it was easier because he had a torn achilles. But
if Cousins hadn't torn his achilles and they had won
nine games, does it still play out that way? If
they had won ten games, is he on the Atlanta
Falcons right now? I'd venture to say probably not. It
was much easier to pull the trigger when his achilles ripped.

(01:00:26):
It gave him an out. But if he hadn't and
he kept throwing touchdowns, my guess is Kirk Cousin's still
on the Vikings. The volume
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.

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