3 & Out - Is Nick Saban RETURNING to football, the HYPE around Arch Manning, Barstool TAKES ON Fox

John opens the pod diving into the conversation surrounding Nick Saban and his potential return to football. John talks about if he could see Saban returning to college football or if the NFL would be more attractive to him at this point in his life. Next, John discussed the hype that is surrounding Arch Manning and how Arch has been doing a good job trying to get everyone to calm down. Later, John talks about the changes at Fox and how it is smart of them to be interested in bringing on the Barstool Sports team to be part of their College Football coverage, and how Grant Horvat has turned down an invitation to play a PGA Tour tournament because they won't allow his youtube crew to film him during the event.

Finally, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment.

5:07 - Nick Saban returning to football?

13:20 - Arch Manning hype

21:07 - Barstool going to Fox?

27:59 - Grant Horvat says no to PGA

42284 - Mailbag

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What is happening everybody? How are you doing? Hopefully you're
doing well wherever you may be. Smile on your face,
enjoying life. If you're struggling, keep your head up. Force
a smile on your face might make you feel better.
Hopefully this makes you feel better. We're gonna talk Nick Saban,
is he're gonna return to football? Coward even said, what

(00:37):
about the Dallas Cowboys. I have some thoughts the arch
Manning hype train. Obviously it keeps growing. It feels like
and he hasn't he's played two games. But I do
think it directly benefits some guys in his quarterback orbit,
guys in the conference who are obviously at this point

(00:58):
in time, more accomplished. And then a couple of media
stories I wanted to touch on Fox Sports. One blows
everybody out and now it looks like they're gonna hire
Barstool Portnoy Big Cat. And there's another story that a
little golf related. But Grant Horvat, a YouTube star, turned
down the PGA Tour refuse to accept their invite. This

(01:22):
week in an opposite field event in Trucky, California at
Old Greenwood, he said, you won't let me film. I
will not play in your event. So some thoughts on
barstool and Fox Sports one and Grant horvat we'll mix
it up a little bit, as well as a mail
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(03:09):
who will be seventy four years young in October. And
in my experience around coaches that now I weren't wasn't
around that many guys in their seventies, but guys in
their fifties and guys in their sixties. They acted and
had more energy because of the youth they were surrounded by,

(03:30):
whether it be in college or the pros. I don't
think there's any arguing. There's a stress and intensity that
comes with the profession of coaching. I've said for a
while now football and you can include college now with
the money everyone's getting paid is Wall Street on grass,
long hours, crazy hours, crazy money, crazy stress, ton of coffee,

(03:54):
lot of adderall not much sleep. But listen, it is
a drug that a lot of people, once they get
into the industry, become addicted to. And like in any industry,
there is a percentage of people, and in football that's
players and coaches. In Wall Street that's traders, that's executives,
that's hedge funds that are better than others. And obviously

(04:16):
Nick Saban will go down as in my opinion, the
greatest college coach I've ever seen, and you could put
them on the short list in terms of basketball, football,
and men's and women's sports as one of, if not
the greatest college coach of all time, right up there
with John Wooden, the coach ks, the gino oriemas you
name it. He's as good as it gets. So when

(04:38):
you're that good until they day you die, people discuss
once you've retired about you coming back. Now we have
a three and out call with everyone behind the scenes,
and we were bssing. If you win a couple championships
in college athletics, right, if you win two Super Bowls
in the NFL, if you win multiple World Series, if

(05:00):
you win two NBA Championships, your freaking made man, You're
a legend. Right. I would say in college football, for example,
Dabo Kirby, guys that have won multiple championships, you basically
are in scholarship at your school. You immediately become up
until now Nick's gone, but highest paid guy. You basically

(05:22):
run the school. You answer to nobody. You've earned that
one championship, you get a lot of juice. But hey,
we've seen people win a championship and people you win two.
It's like you're untouchable. Nick Saban has seven has seven
national championships. That might as well be the equivalent of
like twenty. Think about the way Jay Wright is treated

(05:42):
in terms of like the Knicks should be Oliver Jay Wright,
Duke Basketball should be all over Jay Wright. North Carolina
should fire whoever hired Jay Wright. And it's like, yeah,
they probably should, and he's like, no, I'm good, But
he's treated like you John Wooden or coach k that's
the power of the two. Obviously, coach K won more.
John woulden won a ton. I do think when you
look at Nick Saban and when he got out, obviously

(06:04):
the changing landscape impacted him. And there are more question
marks still than answers. Right in the NFL, we can
bitch and moan, and people can have conversations about contracts,
guaranteed money. You know what franchise drafts you, what franchise
or GM you're dealing with, who's coaching you. Obviously there
are a lot of variables, but the rules are very

(06:24):
black and white. Right, if you're drafted in this lot,
this is what it paid, pays if you play this position,
and are this good? Give or take this what you make.
There's a hard salary cap in college football. I have
no clue what's going on. I was told that it's
going to go to revenue sharing, it's going to go
to a salary cap. No one has any clue there's
now gonna be regulations on nil bullshit. I feel like

(06:46):
it's still completely the wild wild West. And Nick Saban,
who didn't dominate that era, who was already old. Like
if Nick Saban was fifty, he just would have adapted,
but he was older and he said, I'm out and
face it. The elephant in the room too, was Alabama's
ad last year put out a tweet essentially begging for money.
Alabama is not equipped like the University of Texas with

(07:11):
unlimited funds, so you are at a disadvantage in this
modern day game. And he realized and he got out.
But now Greg McElroy says that he's coming back. I
watched Lane Kiffen with Paul Feinbaum that says football is
worse off with Nick not coaching. He's when you watch
him talk, he's still really sharp. Obviously his football knowledge

(07:33):
is elite, and we are better off with Nick Saban
out of the charity ESPN and coaching football. I did
a little digging text a couple people that would have
a pretty good idea, and for my recon, I think
it's I'm taking an educated guess that Nick Saban is
in the in the ballpark of five six million dollars

(07:56):
is what ESPN pays him to work college game day
and obviously do some hits, which clearly takes a lot more,
lot less metal and physical toll on him than coaching
a football program. Right, so it's a much easier life,
though it's for way less money. Let's face it, way
less juice. I mean, when you're the head coach at

(08:18):
the most important program, you are typically the number one
story in the sport. And now he just gives his
opinions on the stories. Well, if he does say something important,
he then becomes a story, but he no longer is
under the microscope. He kind of has a part of
holding the microscope and talking about what's going on. I

(08:41):
saw a coward today that said, what about the Cowboys?
Brian Schottenheimer won and done and then go after Jerry Jones.
I have a hard time seeing Nick Saban at seventy
four years old, a guy who's accumulated an ungodly amount
of money over the last fifteen years, answering to Jerry Jones,
who is a decade older than him and clearly coming

(09:02):
down the home stretch and pretty addicted to power. And
if you look at the cowboys hiring practices beside Bill
Parcells whatever, twenty years ago, in Jerry's seventies and eighties,
he has done the opposite of hiring a guy like
Nick Saban, Right, Jason Garrett Wade Phillips. Even Mike McCarthy

(09:25):
was kind of down and out paid him thirty five
million dollars over five years. Nick Sable would have laughed
at that if someone put that in front of his
face at Alabama six years ago, let alone. Now, let's
face it, Brian Schottenheimer, while compared to rest of society,
makes a lot of money relative to coaches. I think

(09:46):
it's fair to guess Brian Schottenheimer's a bottom five paid
coach in the NFL in terms of head coaches, and
rightfully so, he has no head coaching experience and no
one else was offering him head coaching job, So Jerry
actually got a cheap version of I think what he
hopes Mike McCarthy. Nick Saban's not going to the Cowboys.

(10:07):
Nick Saban also isn't coming back to college football unless
even if he was interested, it would have to be
the best overall job, which I think in this modern
day landscape you'd argue would be the University of Texas,
where his guy Steve Sarkisian just got a massive contract
because when Nick retired he said no, I'm good. So
what happened He got a massive extension and as multiple

(10:30):
people have said within the college football world that these
guys with forty fifty sixty million dollar buyouts, that's just
the cost of paying a guy to leave. That's not
gonna happen as much anymore. Why because a lot of
that money is now being put toward and forwarded to,
and rightfully so, the players. So I don't envision Nick

(10:53):
Saban coming back. I feel Nick Saban's going to write
off into the sutset Do college game day for the
next several years, enjoy himself, still get to be around
the program, but relax while he still gets to make
some money. But the notion that Nick Saban's gonna come back.
A lot of people have also disputed that, one being
AJ McCarron I saw on the interweb today. I actually

(11:16):
don't think there's a fit out there, even if he
was interested. Arch Manning. The hype on this guy second
to none, which is cool, like part of the business.
I'm man like. I like hype, and sometimes it's kind
of fake and other times it's like, is Trevor Lawrence
the best prospect in the last twenty years? How good
of a prospect is Caleb Williams? What is cam Ward

(11:38):
Number one? Overall pick. Why is no one talking about him?
And then you get Arch who has spoken about like
he's his uncle, not Eli, but Peyton and he's played
two games against nobody's and that's not his fault. That's
the nature of having that last name. That's the nature
of playing at Texas, that's the nature of being a
huge recruit. That's the nature of in this day and age,

(12:01):
of sitting in college, which is unheard of. Most guys
that have to play one year as a backup immediately transfer,
let alone to But you know who it actually benefits
in the SEC. You know, we have had years where
the SEC has been loaded in terms of defenses, a
ton of NFL guys at all these programs, but the
quarterback play has been like, eh, not great. I'd argue

(12:25):
this year coming into the season, it's freaking loaded. DJ Lagway,
who has a chance to resurrect the University of Florida
Leonora Sellers, who down the stretch of that season last
year at South Carolina looked freaking awesome. Obviously, Nussmeyer, who
at one point in time last year was like, Hey,

(12:45):
if this guy comes out, he might be a top
twenty pick, returns to school you have John Mattier, who
I'll be honest, a couple of years ago never heard of.
Most of you hadn't either. Then he started last year
at Washington State and it was awesome. And then Oklahoma
higher you know, paid him in the transfer portal and
hired their offensive coordinator and paid them both a lot
of money. And now I was in the car the

(13:07):
other day listening to Serious XM College and someone who's
around the program was like, I'm not comparing this guy
to Baker. That's an unfair amount of hype to put
on this guy, But in terms of the juice and
the excitement he's given this locker room, they love this guy.
So I'm like, damn. And we had on his former
coach who's now at Wake Forest, who said they desperately

(13:29):
tried to keep him back when he was the head coach.
And then there's Marcel Reid, who's like this dynamic, duel
threat guy at Texas A and M, which is going
to have a loaded roster. That all these guys are
legitimate NFL prospects, And the difference of these guys in
arch they've all played. Now like Matear transferred into Oklahoma,

(13:51):
but he started last year at Washington State. Right, DJ
Lagway played last year as a true freshman. Garrett us
Meyer obviously it's Jaden Leaves started all year. And I
do think this class and this group, some of these guys,
a couple of these names are going to be top
ten picks. There is a chance, especially if Arch doesn't

(14:13):
even come out, we might end this season go that
Dj Lagway. John Mattiir had a better year than Arch Manning,
but coming into the year typically where it's kind of
spread out, we're talking about this guy. We're talking about
that guy. Arch is taking all the oxygen. He's the
only guy any of us are talking about. It's like
he just is the story. And I understand why the

(14:36):
last name, but even he's like, listen, the hypes a
little out of control. I played two games. These other guys.
I mean, some of these guys are multi year starters,
and I'm just fascinated to watch the way it shapes
out because I think a couple of these guys are
gonna have really good seasons. I think the SEC quarterback
play this year is gonna be fantastic. I haven't even
talked about George's quarterback or Alabama's quarterback. Obviously some unknowns there.

(15:00):
I mean, I would say these guys are better prospects,
but I do think Arch is really doing these guys
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A couple quick media things you know forever if you
were on if you had a television show or a
radio show on a big channel right where I grew up.
If you had a radio show on KNBR, if you
had if you had a sports radio show on ESPN
or Fox, if you had a television show on one
of the major networks, a sitcom or whatever, it didn't

(17:29):
guarantee success because still, like a lot of people have
gone through ESPN over the years, like guys like Colin
and Dan Patrick were just better than ninety nine percent
of them, right, and they would have succeeded anywhere they went.
So that is never going to change. But there was
a built in platform before, especially like when I was

(17:50):
a kid. If you got a job at a major newspaper,
you had a huge advantage. Why because it was distributed
to millions of people who got to read you. And
obviously there were better columnists than others. But I bet
if we look back, there were some people that were
kind of average that had long, lucrative careers because they

(18:10):
got involved with the right paper. Well, those days are
done just because I put you on a network. If
you aren't talented, you not only will get exposed, nobody
will watch, no one will care. I value or I
look at myself as a consumer first, right, So like
the way I consume is if you're good, I just

(18:33):
kind of find out about you, and I'll just consume you.
I watch a lot of different people that would be
quote unquote considered YouTubers or podcasters right, whether it's finance,
whether it's in golf, whether it's in other sports. And
some of them, like if you talk about Colin or
like a Brian Windhorse, work for a major network, and
some of them I was just watching no laying ups

(18:55):
British Open preview work for themselves. And you can cut
through the noise and make a lot of money as
an independent nowadays, which was extremely difficult twenty thirty forty
years ago. Obviously, YouTube and the podcast world slash social
media has helped change the game. But if someone becomes

(19:18):
big now, let's use Dave Portnoy or Big Cat with Barstool,
who are now rumored to go to Fox Sports, who
just fired half their shows. Just because I put a
show on Fox Sports, it does not guarantee that anyone's
gonna watch. Why because I'm a good example, I watch content.
If you're not good, I'm not gonna give you my time.

(19:38):
I don't just have two options, I have five hundred.
I can watch a million different things. I can listen
to a million different things that used to not be
the case. So the power of an individual like Dave
who created a brand off literally just eating pizza and
a lot of people watch Men and Women or pardon

(19:58):
my take, that gets milli millions of people to listen
every single episode. It's not because oh I just heard
part of my take because I was on the main network.
There is no main network. You have to actively seek
them out. It's why I really appreciate and value everyone
that listens or watches my show. You have to actively

(20:19):
come to me. You're not just gonna find me of
Like I just saw a middle cough on CBS. That's
not gonna happen. So when I see that Fox Sports
blew out these shows, which I'm not trying to be
a dick because it's hard and hell, if you would
have put me in one of those shows, probably would
have failed to just didn't get anyone to watch. Where

(20:43):
when you hire these guys, you give yourself an opportunity
to bring an audience that watches everything these guys do.
When you put Colin somewhere, people gravitate towards It's why
you can say whatever you want about Steven A. He
doesn't know what's going on in the draft. He screws
things up about the NFL. All those things are true.

(21:03):
He has proven, like when you put them on different platforms,
people go there. We see it with Shannon Sharp. What
happened when Shannon left Fox and skipped show? Fell off
a cliff? What did Shan improve? Whenever he has a show,
a lot of people watch. That's really really important, that's
really really valuable. So when I see that Fox is

(21:23):
going to hire a Barstool, I go makes a lot
of sense. I would do the same thing if I
was sitting in their shoes because paying these former athletes,
some of the numbers that I heard, millions of dollars
to do these shows where sixty seventy thousand people are
watching is just moronic business. And pulling the plug to
go into business with Barstool, which honestly set the tone,

(21:47):
Like the business I'm in now exists largely because of them.
I mean, let's face it, they set the tone in
this industry. Them and maybe Bill Simmons from a podcast perspective. Ever,
when Colin started the volume, one of his first calls
and he talked about this openly. I remember telling me this.
He called Erica, who was Dave Portnoy's CEO, because that

(22:10):
was the business we were gonna try to emulate, because
they had figured out a way to monetize this world.
And I just think that, like when I saw this story,
not only was I not shocked, my first reaction was like, yeah,
it's probably gonna work. You will get a huge bump
in quote unquote ratings, you will get people to pay attention.

(22:33):
And I was on a text thread today with some friends.
It's like, how are they gonna not swear? It's like,
I don't know. I swear all the time. I went
on Colin Show and guess what, I didn't swear for
a couple hours. It's like, you can figure it out.
It's not that difficult. And honestly, maybe they can license
it ounce where they allow him to do that, like
they do Pat McAfee. Pat McAfee is a good example.

(22:56):
People like Pat McAfee. If you get on the internet,
everyone seems to hate them. It's like everyone I meet
in the real world, all have good things to say,
all enjoy a show, all are entertained by it. And
I just think sometimes you got to be careful about
what said on social media and what happens in real life,

(23:17):
especially on Twitter, And that's where I think kind of
the media world got lost down this rabbit hole for
a long time. There are some benefits to the speed
in which I guess news breaks, but in terms of
trying to gauge interests or what matters in terms of
putting on a show, which I think for a long

(23:38):
time would shock people, played a huge, huge or had
a very influential poll was we'll look back as one
of the dumbest business moves in the history of American media.
But my first take would be, I bet it works,
and I bet they have success doing this, and I
bet it turns out to be a win win. The

(24:00):
other story that went pretty viral was Grant Horvat, who,
for those of you that don't know who that is,
it's hard for me to kite give like a comp
for him. He's basically this internet golfer who is just
a sensation. He's an independent individual who does videos where

(24:24):
he plays with either other pros. He partners with Phil Mickelson,
and he also plays with these two guys called the
Brian Bros. And they play courses that the PGA plays,
and they try to break the cut and millions of
people watch. And he has countless sponsors who support him Slash.
He's a co owner. I have heard some of the

(24:46):
numbers in which it costs to get involved with the show.
Let's just say I think it's fair to say he
easily has an eight figure operation going right now. And
when I say eight figure, that's I'm not saying like
ninety million dollars. But he is making eight figures and
it's very, very lucrative, successful, and I would say impactful

(25:10):
in the world he's in. He was offered a spot
which happens in golf. They're called a sponsor invite in
this golf tournament this week. Well, on the PGA Tour,
when there's a major, typically they have an opposite field event,
which is basically an event for a bunch of random
guys trying to make it. A couple big names, but

(25:31):
for the most part, is a completely irrelevant event. Now,
it's not irrelevant for the people playing in the event,
because if you win it, it changes your career and
gets you into majors, But on the totality of it,
no one watches no one's really paying attention. So they
offered Grant a spot, and Grant, probably a couple months ago,
filmed the YouTube with Scotty Scheffler. He asked Scotty Scheffler,

(25:53):
He's like, I've been invited. I don't think I'm gonna
take it, and Scotty pleaded with him, he said, you
should take it, not taking someone else's spot. They need
you in that event. But Grant does not need the
PGA Tour. He is probably making more money doing what
he does play on YouTube than I. Potentially every single

(26:15):
person in this tournament this weekend called the Barracuda beside Maxhoma.
And let's face it, if you play professional golf, you
are playing for money. That is literally the end result
of what you were doing. You were playing golf tournaments
trying to win as much money possible. Grant Horvat plays
golf on the internet to earn money, right, That's what

(26:40):
he does, and he's successful at it. So ultimately he
denied the PGA Tour. He said, I'm not interested because
they denied him allowing to shoot YouTube videos while he played,
which was never gonna happen. The PGA Tour was never
going to allow him to shoot YouTube video during the tournament,

(27:01):
just like Grand Harvat was never going to play in
this tournament because he knew they were never going to
give in to those demands because they're very strict laws. Right,
just like Jamar Chase can't bring a YouTube or a
video crew during a game against the Baltimore Ravens on
Sunday night. Football that's not allowed. Can't happen in any

(27:23):
of these sports. It's very black and white. Even though
this tournament needs Grant more than he needs them, and
I've seen a lot of people freak out, even people
I respect going. I can't believe a golf influencer would
turn down the PGA Tour. Well, I agree, that would
be crazy if two things were true. One Grant wanted

(27:47):
to be on the PGA Tour, which he clearly doesn't,
and two it was an opportunity for him to make money.
He would actually probably lose money if he wasted a well,
let's say he was shooting other stuff, it would be
a net negative for him. I think people underestimate the

(28:07):
amount of money, especially a lot of these legacy media
people that are in this bubble of like what's actually
going on Hell, if I didn't do what I did
and still worked in radio, I would have no clue
how much commerce and business is actually done in the
podcast YouTube world. But I've been in it for ten years.

(28:31):
Those are a lot of people that I talked to
and ask questions about, So I have a i would say,
a better understanding than I've seen some of these reactions
like Dave Portnoy and Barstool. They don't need Fox's money, right,
They don't need to do this. This isn't something they need.
They actually have leverage because clearly I would imagine Fox

(28:52):
wants them. So what happens when you got the leverage
you get more money. Now, I'm not saying it's strictly
a money grab, it's also cool. It's also way to
get different eyeballs. It's a way to just potentially expand
your brand and grow your business. But let's not get
it twisted, Dave, big Kat, Barstool does not need to

(29:12):
be on Fox Sports one. But if the business deal
makes sense and we can be comfortable with what we're doing,
it works. Like ultimately, Pat McAfee didn't need ESPN at
any moment. If he wanted to leave, he would be fine.
Does he benefit from it? Sure, he's on ESPN two.
You see him at gym's, you see him at airports.

(29:34):
He gets benefits of, you know, doing the All Star
Game and doing different shit. But at the end of
the day, him and his operation does not need them.
No different here. Grand Horvat does not need the PGA tour. Now,
I'd argue if the Masters or the US Open or
something invited him, it would be insane from a business

(29:56):
standpoint for him not to accept the invite. But the
fucking Barracuda at Old Greenwood in Trucky, California, that is
going to have no one paying attention. I don't know.
Because the British Open is going on and it's in
the middle of summer, is not that crazy for him
to turn down. I also think it's a genius pr

(30:17):
move by him to go, hey, I'm not playing in
this because they won't let me film. It actually is
a story. This shouldn't be a story because they were
never gonna let him film. He was never gonna play
in the event. But I will give him credit. Him
and his team and whoever's they're pretty good at this
and they created a massive story out of nothing of

(30:39):
something that was never gonna happen, like the barstool fs
one story, Like, clearly there's a lot of substance there.
This thing, if I was a betman, probably happens. I
even saw Colin tweet something out. But the Horvat thing
and the reaction by a lot of the legacy journalists,
it's like, guys, are you that out of the loop?
What Horvat has, what's going on and how successful his

(31:02):
operation is? I would guess like whatever his the Grant
Horvat YouTube empire makes in Grant's pocket, who plays a
huge role in it? What would he where would he
be valued on the PGA tour top I bet he
makes top seventy five guy, top fifty guy. Financially. He

(31:24):
ain't desperate, And I think that always shocks people when
someone's not desperate and they go, yeah, I'm not gonna
do it. I'm good because forever, especially in the media
world and the sports world, you just always say yeah, right, yes, yes,
and obviously saying yes sometimes even if there's not it's

(31:46):
hard to quantify is this a good idea or a
bad idea? Can be a good tactic that to approach
life with, But every once in a while, I was like, Yeah,
this is a complete waste of my time. I don't
want to do this and I don't want to, you know,
ruin an experience for all these other guys which are

(32:09):
going to be resentful. It just be a weird operation
because everyone be looking at me.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Funny.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Okay, let's do a little bittlecoff mail bag at John
Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those dms. Get your
questions answered here on the show. Really really easy to do.
Just my name at John Middlecoff DMS wide open. We
will start with Pat, not Pat Burrell, but just a
guy named Pat. Big fan of your pops, including the

(32:51):
ones with Colin. Loved hearing you guys give Campbell some
love on the last episode as a really good coach
who also benefits from a great office by this rationale, though,
doesn't Sirianni deserve some flowers too. No, he's a little annoying,
but while he also has a great GM. He's been
to two Super Bowls, one to one and has been

(33:13):
able to keep the team together in a noisy market,
and the players have pretty much stood by him repeatedly.
Not to mention he's shown the ability to adjust mid
season based on the players he has. I'm not ignorant
to his annoying qualities, just kind of think at some
point we have to acknowledge he's done a pretty good job.
I don't think it's disputable. You win the Super Bowl,
like he just did. You rally the troops as he

(33:36):
just did. I think one thing, you know, people in
the business, it's like Vic Fangio comes, like, that's Howie
Roseman been trying to hire Vic Fangiel for a long time.
Like is that a Nick Sirianni thing? You know, he
gets a lot of credit for Shane Siken existed on
that staff because of him, And same thing with Jonathan Gannon,

(33:57):
Like those were his two initial hires. The higher sin
you know, I think the organization good and bad, right,
And that's where the Eagles are kind of unique where
it's like, you know, I would say Dan campbell is
has the autonomy hiring the staff, whereas Nick Sirianni just
has less juice in terms of the day to day

(34:20):
operations of the Eagles. But when it comes to the
players motivating them that there is no disputing he deserves
a lot of credit. You win the Super Bowl. Now,
I don't give a shit what the circumstances were. Obviously
their team was loaded. But you beat the Chiefs like that,
you have the team ready, like like you what you

(34:40):
are one hundred percent spot on. It's by far the
most intense market in terms of the stories, in terms
of the way the team's covered locally and nationally.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
But I would just say, if you pulled every let's
remove the Lions and the Eagles, and we just got
thirty GMS and they had the choice to hire one
of two coaches, Campbell or Sirianni. So I'm not including
Howie and I'm not including Brad Holmes of the Lions.

(35:11):
I think the numbers for Dan Campbell of the other
thirty GMS would be fair not I'm not. I'm taking
a strong, educated guess here. I think would be extremely strong.
In the majority of Dan Campbell. I'm not saying it's
thirty to zero, but I think the number would be
in the twenties. Question for the pod Lamar was recently

(35:35):
talking about how he had to learn to be a
vocal leader. It got me thinking, who is the best
leader in the NFL at the quarterback position and how
much does it affect the game. Example, if Tim Tebow
was one of the best leaders in football history and
knew how to fire up his guys up. Here's the
link to Lamar telling Kevin Hart this, well, to be

(35:55):
a good leader, you have to be a good player, right.
No different to me to be a good boss in
any corporation. Like I've worked for people that I thought
were really good, had interesting tactics. But if I thought
they knew what they were doing and talented and gave
me an opportunity to be my best self or to

(36:18):
have a successful operation, I just bought into right whether
they had You know, I've been around football coaches Pat Hill,
Andy Reid natural leadership qualities, but like you just knew
being around Howie who was new on the job, You're like,
this guy's fucking smart. I don't always agree with everything
he was doing. It was intense environment, but it's like
no one disputed, like how he's capabilities. Right. And then

(36:40):
I've worked for people in radio. I'm like, is this
guy the biggest idiot I've ever been around in my
entire life? And you just can't take him seriously. So
you can't be a good leader if you're not a
good player, right, just like you can't be a good
coach if people don't think you know what's going on.
It's just impossible. So most of the good leaders. And

(37:03):
I've known someone who worked with the Ravens two year
when McDonald that team that lost to the Chiefs in
the AFC Championship game, who said Lamar was like guys
would run through a wall for him in hardball. Right.
But Lamar at that point in time, it was like
one of the best players in the league. Now I
think Lamar Mahomes Josh Joe Burrow. I haven't watched the

(37:28):
Quarterback Show yet. I just had a buddy in the
league text me. He's like, you gotta watch. It's fascinating
to watch Burrow. Clearly these guys really like him, so
they they're the best player on the team, one of
the best players in the league, and the players really
like him. So then I think Lamar has talked about this.
It's on you to get more comfortable with like being loud,
and being loud isn't just like speaking loud, it's being

(37:51):
assertive telling people what to do and when to do it.
And Dak Prescott, Jared goff Kirk Cousins. The more you play,
the more touchdowns you throw, it's easier to get on guys,
and you have to back it up by like Patrick Mahon,
all these guys their work ethic of what time they
show up, how late they are. I remember what's his

(38:13):
last name, Brandon, former offensive lineman for the Saints who
when he retired cried because of how inspired he was
every week watching Drew Brees, how much time he put in.
So it's easy, like Peyton Manning can just he could.
Him and Brady their personalities can be pretty aggressive, but

(38:35):
it's easy for them to be aggressive with a guy
when they're a dominant player. Right if Daniel Jones started
hooting and hollering and pointing at people to do shit,
it'd be like, what are you doing? Look at Baker's
a good example. I think his natural personality is very outgoing,
very just very verbal. Well, he's excelled because he's played

(38:55):
well in Tampa and he can use that personality. When
he wasn't playing that way in Cleveland, it got weird.
So I think all the top guys from the top
really real true top group that top four, but then
the group of the goths, you know, Jalen is a
good example, like when your work ethic and you're you know,

(39:16):
part of being a quarterback I've heard was Albert Breer
or someone talked about this. One thing Brady really really
took seriously was like he knew that he could never
impress anyone with his speed or his athleticism, but like
if his teammates knew that, Like he was tough as shit,
so every time he got hit, he'd pop up and

(39:37):
as quickly as possible to pop up. That resonated with people.
What what did Ben Johnson get on Caleb Williams for
when you get hit, your body language matters. Get up
and get up fast, because that is what people are
looking at you for. And I think being a quarterback
and it's so hard because it's physically demanding, it's mentally demanding.

(39:59):
Obviously you got to produce. The coaches are on you,
the media is on you, the fans are all watching you.
I think all these guys are really really impressive. Burrow, Lamar,
Alan and Mahomes. I've heard more direct stories of Lamar
and of Mahomes just knowing people in those organizations. I've

(40:23):
just seen from the outside on Josh I mean, I
know mcdermomt. I've never really talked to him about it. Obviously,
Josh is impressive too, but I think, you know, listen,
all of our personalities are different. Some people talk a lot,
some people are quiet. But there are certain things that
you can prove of, Like, God, this guy works really hard,
you know, especially in football. God, this guy is really tough.

(40:45):
I've never talked to a football player that, whether they
like you or not personally, if you're tough and you're
their teammate, they're going to respect you. That was a
good question. It's become more apparent to me recently that
there seems to be two schools of thought when it
comes to giving out contracts. When a player has a
season worthy of money, contract extension of more money, your

(41:07):
contract extension, the GM gets out in front of it
and gives an extension, i e. Howie the Niners the Cowboys.
School thought is which seems to push players to hold
out for a contract. Can you talk about the pros
and cons of each contract in strategy and why a
GM may prefer A or B. It seems to me

(41:27):
that players who hold out often have statistical regression or
injury seasons well the Cowboys. In the Niners, I would
put in different categories because the guy running the Niners money, Perrague,
has been doing it for twenty years. And in the
harbought era of Patrick Willis, Navarro, Bowman, Joe Staley, Frank Gore,

(41:50):
Michael Krabtree, Vernon Davis, all those type players, they could
always get guys to sign contract early. They would pay
you a lot of money relative to the money at
the time, but they would out in front of it
like how we did. And then the Niners have gone
through this stretch now where their type, their players would
not sign those contracts like Nick Bosa or Trent Williams

(42:11):
is not signing a meet in the middle contract. I'm
breaking the bank as the highest paid player in this
sport right now, and unless you give me that money,
I'm gonna be pissed off. The Cowboys just play it
till the end always like now, I have a long
history quarterback, you know, I mean the forty nine ers

(42:34):
did it with Rock Party Fred Warner like that. They
will get out in front if you're willing to play ball.
But you know, like the dance floor, it takes two
to ten go here. So if I offer you a contract,
you got it. What if Brocked Perdy when the Niners
had offer him that contract, like, no, I want twenty
million dollars more guaranteed, I want two hundred. I want
the same as Trevor Lawrence. It's like, well, we're trying

(42:55):
to offer a country's saying no, what do we do
now if we play it out longer? Does he end
up getting two twenty if he starts holding out because
we start freaking out? So, you know how he has
benefited that his guys have been willing to sign contracts,
you know, I mean, that's there's a huge element there.
But even this year, like they took care of Saquon,

(43:16):
you know, Jalen they I'd say that was at the
time a pretty big win for Jalen. So it's just
it's very dependent on who you're dealing with, right, whether
the Cowboys, Howie Roseman, whether the Niners had been dealing
with Nick Bosa, he was gonna cost a lot of money. Now.
One thing maybe how he would have done with Bosa
is sign him after year three. The Niners are pretty

(43:37):
adamant about signing you after year four because they like
a little more data. Listen, I don't know if there's
a right or wrong way to do it. All these
contracts in the NFL, besides like quarterbacks, but even quarterbacks,
we've seen some b disasters. There's a large amount of
risk in signing O Limeman, D Lime and all these

(43:57):
guys to these massive contracts because of the injury risk.
We're just gonna see, there's gonna be over the next
several years, guys one hundred plus million dollar guarantee contracts.
There's gonna be a guy have a devastating injury, never
be the same. Do you know who's a good example.
Christian Wilkins, the defensive lineman the Raider signed from Miami,

(44:20):
who's a stut I mean, a really good player. The
Raiders gave him like eighty five million dollars guaranteed. I
had heard this, not from Spytec, but I just rumor
out there, and then I had seen a story recently.
He's probably never gonna be the same. He's still messed
up at the end of OTAs like he might never

(44:41):
really be able to play football again. And if he does,
people think that his careers, he'll never be remotely close
to the same player. And I'm not shaming them for
the contract. I would assigned him too if I had
the money. But sometimes you have a devastating injury and
you're just never the same player that typically. I guess

(45:01):
in baseball you can have Tommy John but for the
most part, guys respond to that. In basketball, it's pretty rare.
I mean, Paul George shattered his leg in two in
the stanchion and came back and made All Star Games.
Do you think Nadamakan Sue is a first ballot Hall
of Famer or even Hall of Fame worthy? I think

(45:23):
he asked this question because the big fella just domkiny.
If someone saw how I just spelled his name, I
don't think I could ever respond Sue. Let's just type
in Sue. There's no Dominican Sue. My first response is
he's not a Hall of Famer. He's a five time

(45:46):
All Pro Okay, maybe he's Maybe he's better than I thought.
Defensive Rookie of the Year, five time Pro bowler. Yeah,
maybe he is a fringe pro bowler or Hall of famer.
Maybe I underestimated him. Who do you win? He won
a Super Bowl with Tampa. Obviously, He's never a huge

(46:09):
sack guy. But that wasn't his game. I would say
he's on the fringe. Good question, first ballot, No chance,
Maybe I undersold him. There has been a lot of
hype around the Chargers in the Broncos. Assuming the Chiefs
win the AFC West, which is a fair assumption given

(46:31):
I think they've won the division seven years in a row.
What would you consider as the biggest disappointment in the division,
the Broncos or the Chargers finishing third. Well, to me,
if one of those two finished third and they missed
the playoffs, that is pretty bad because the expectation for
both those two teams is to make the playoffs again.

(46:51):
But to me, if you finish third, let's say the
Chiefs win thirteen games, the Chargers win eleven, and the
Broncos win ten, Like, if you're in the playoff, I
don't think you probably are disappointed that you screwed around
and lost a couple games. Maybe you could have won,
but I don't know if that's that big a deal. Now,
if you finish third in your eight to nine and

(47:13):
you're not in the playoffs, so to me, it's you
can finish third. But think about last year the Packers
finished third and it was somewhat disappointing, but they were
in the playoffs, so not the end of the world.

(47:33):
I think we got a similar question. I did a
little digging. I wanted to get your take on the
fact that the Browns and the Texans have both have
two second round picks, and those teams are the ones
that set the precedent of the guaranteed second round pick contracts.
How do you think that impacts the dynamics of the
other second rounders of those teams who haven't signed yet.

(47:56):
Junkins for the Browns, and I might be screwing this
name up, though I know the Texans like this guy
Ersy for the Texans offensive lineman. I did a little
digging because I got this question yesterday because I I
followed this story, but I haven't done that much digging
on the story from what I was told by people
in the league. That one guy that got I think

(48:18):
one of the Texans guy that Iowa state wide receiver,
I think picked thirty four. His contract was essentially like
ninety six percent guaranteed, So it wasn't it wasn't a
situation where let's just pick a number one thousand dollars,
well five hundred of those thousand dollars are guaranteed. Every
one hundred dollars I get after that also guaranteed would

(48:40):
be a big deal, right, So if I ended up
getting eight hundred dollars out of the thousand guaranteed, I
got an extra thirty percent, that's a huge coup for me.
But if ninety six percent of the contracts guaranteed, so
ninety six hundred of the thousand, getting the extra four
dollars seems crazier as a headline, not that crazy in reality.

(49:05):
I see Maria in real estate all the time, and
I've been guilty of this too. She actually talked me
out of when we bought this house. Is so many
times in real estate you end up arguing with the
other and there's a pride aspect, in an ego aspect
over a tiny amount of money. It's one thing if
the house is on sale for a million and you're
offering seven hundred grand and there's a huge gap. But

(49:28):
how often that she sees this dude's offering. You know,
the house is on the market for nine point fifty.
This guy, they've kind of finally come to nine point thirty.
It's like, you guys are pretty close twenty thousand dollars,
and even with interest rates high, like the difference of
a purchase price of twenty grand, ten grand, five grand

(49:49):
has a tiny, tiny impact. Now, hundreds of thousands of
dollars clearly make a big deal. But we're not talking
about that here. We are talking about ninety five, ninety six,
ninety eight percent of the contract is guaranteed. So Cassario,
just play, I'll give you a hundred. Now, is that
different with the later pick? You know the Judkins thing.
Obviously he's in trouble. Now that's a whole other complicated

(50:11):
issue to me. If the contract is ninety seven percent guaranteed,
as someone told me, if we draft a guy at
pick forty two, like we believe that guy is gonna
be a pretty freaking good player, because if we didn't,
guess what, we would have drafted someone else. Now that's
where the owner gets involved. Well, of course, you guys
believed in them, that's why you picked them. But like

(50:33):
we see a lot of these guys fail. So every
single penny that we can avoid paying him worst case scenario,
you got there's a reason we pay for car insurance,
home insurance. You don't want your house to burn down.
You don't want to get in a car wreck. But
sometimes a dude t bones you. When Maria was in college,
your parents' house burned down. Freak deal electrical thing burned down.

(50:54):
Luckily they had home insurance rebuilt the house. But if
you don't, you're kind of fucked, you know. And it's
no different here. This is a little different because you're
just talking maybe one hundred grand or a couple hundred grand,
But over the grand scheme of things, if you save
money on situations that go bad, that's a pretty smart
way to do business. So from what I've heard is
some teams were like, hey, we're paying him ninety seven.

(51:15):
I don't want to argue from an agent perspective. Can
you imagine what a win it is, Cause if you're
an agent, you're not gonna have seven top fifteen players.
So if you have three guys going the first round,
that's pretty good. And if you have a couple second rounders.
If I tell you got five guys in the top
two rounds, that's really good. Well, the first round contracts,

(51:39):
unless you're Shamar Stewart, take care of themselves. The second
round contracts, if I can go into Alabama, LSU, Oregon,
and yeah, this guy might not be a top ten pick,
but he's got He might go fortieth, he might go fiftieth,
he might go thirty eighth, and I can go. You
know what I did last year, I got my guy
draft in the second round where you projected to go

(52:01):
a fully guaranteed contract. So you want to go with
that guy who got his contract, who got ninety five,
I'll get you every single penny guaranteed. If I was
his dad, if I was the guy's assistant coach, you know,
position coach or high school coach, I'd be like, we
should probably go with that guy. Would be a good
business move. So there are a lot of different variables there.

(52:21):
We got a lot going on with this contract situation.
So the forty nine ers guy the Texas defensive line
didn't show up today. It's gonna be fascinating how many
second rounders over the course of the next week. I
was texting with a buddy on the Chiefs. He says,
I think their rookies report Monday, like they drive up
to camp on Sunday. So it's when I'm recording this
on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, like all

(52:45):
these rookies all over the league are gonna be showing up.
How many of the second rounders that have not signed,
no show? My guess is all of them unless they
get a contract done. AJ Green Bengals Cards wide receiver.
I feel like he doesn't get the respect he deserves.
He made two All pros, seven straight up Pro Bowls

(53:07):
in the twenty tens before the Pro Bowl allowed seventh alternate.
He has over seven hundred catches, seventy touchdowns almost eleven
thousand yards in twelve seasons, and two of those he
missed many games during the twenty ten decade. He's a
top five and catches yard tds. If he played in

(53:27):
a bigger market, he would have gotten more love. I
agree we'll get a lot of Hall of Fame questions.
I'm not great with that. I'm really not. My standards
are really high. I think AJ Brown. I saw him play.
I saw him play when I worked in Philly. I
saw him play when I was around the Raiders. He dominated.
I mean, a guy freak show. I was at the

(53:48):
draft in which he got drafted in two thousand would
have been April of eleven, him and Julio great draft.
I mean it was Cam Newton, Von Miller, Tyron Smith,
JJ Watt, Julio AJ Green, Alden Smith loded with down

(54:08):
So I'm with you. I think if you put them
on the Packers or the Cowboys or something, for sure.
I think he's talked about like a law Hall of Famer, right,
I'm not great with that. I mean I'm pretty good
with like is Patrick Mahomes, Hall of Famers, Travis Kelcey.
But some of the fringe guys, I always lean no,
like the Domin consue him like no chance, and then
I look, I'm like, h yeah, he'll be.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
In the mix.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
My son is nine and we listen to the pod together.
I like your son a lot he's got, He's got
a bright future. I was wondering if you could look
over the Bills schedule and give us a breakdown of
how you see the season going. Michael thinks we still
need help in the secondary. Got your kids dialed in.
I will say this about the Bills what they proved

(54:51):
last year, which I thought was insane. When people were
picking other teams to win, you know, the Bills to
miss the playoffs. The Bills come back to Earth. I'm like,
when you got Josh Allen, it's the equivalent of having
like an NBA star. You are a lock playoff team
and what they have proven, and unlike the Chiefs because

(55:12):
their division's way shittier. Excuse my language, very young, Michael,
you are a lock to win the division. I think
the Bills are at this point in time. To me,
just circle them in Division champs. Twelve to fourteen wins,
maybe if they get injury ravaged eleven. But I don't
even think there's question marks when it comes to like

(55:32):
what they're gonna do. Hey, let's fire through Ravens. Okay,
let's coin flip Jets, Dolphins, Saints, Patriots, Falcons, Panthers. I mean,
you got a lot of wins on your schedule, man.
You get the Chiefs at home, you beat them a
lot in the regular season. Dolphins own them Tampa, even

(55:54):
if that's a sneaky, hard game at the Texans, Josh
is built for a dome. At the Steelers, Bengals, Patriots,
Brown's Eagles, Jets. Schedule gets a little more difficult at
the end, but I'd say twelve wins, twelve and five, Okay,

(56:24):
a couple more questions here congrants on the wedding child expectancy.
Got married last September twenty six and we're thinking of
headed into Lake Tile for a one year anniversary. Do
it and enjoy it? Question for the pod. As an
Eagles fan, do you think there's a legitimate stigma against
the fan base based on previous reputation of an overall
hyper passionate following I've been a fan since I was seven,

(56:48):
and I was raised in southern California. Long story, I've
met and no more Eagle fans here than fans of
the local teams Rams and Chargers. Knowing that you've seen firsthand,
obviously working for the organization, I wanted to know your
thoughts on the general consensus around the league and if
there's truly a genuine disdain for the Eagles fan base.

(57:10):
I think overall, you could go to most stadiums and
find fucking people that you would, I mean not in
a million years want to sit next to for three hours,
and these videos go viral of people fighting at all
these stadiums, just being complete more, I don't know why

(57:33):
you would want to attend an NFL game, especially if
you are the fan of that team. Spend a decent
amount of money, pay for a bunch of beers while
you're in there, which are not cheap, and then get
into a fight. I think you are a complete idiot.
And we see these videos every single year all the time.
I don't think it's random. They typically are in the

(57:54):
upper bowl right. You don't usually see these fights happening
in like the VIP section or in the right It's like,
I'm coming here to enjoy the game. Obviously, Philly is
an intense place to play. There is going to be
a harsher environment with the people paying premiums sitting closer
to the field than if you went to a Charger

(58:17):
game I would imagine, or a game at Levi Stadium
with the forty nine ers. But I think overall, the
experience place to place is not that much different. I
know my personal experience with Philly it's like, I thought
it was pretty normal, and I've been to a lot
of NFL games at the Oakland Coliseum, I've been to
games at Candlestick. It's like, yeah, I mean, if you

(58:39):
piss off the wrong guy and he's wasted, you might
get into a fight. I think that would happen at
most places, But I think the overall percentage of people
are there to root on their team and enjoy themselves.
If you're a season ticket holder, if you're going to
a game, you're doing it like as an escape, as
something to do, something enjoyment. I mean when I see

(59:05):
people fighting at games or concerts, I'm like, I can't
relate to that and listen. I understand people get a
little too sauced up, but I've always thought the Philly
stuff has taken on a life of its own. I mean,
the amount of people. It's one thing. If a player
goes listen, I had a bad experience there, It's like, yeah,

(59:26):
you can have a bad experience at most away places.
You can get people to say stupid stuff. This is sports, Like,
I mean, most stuff isn't that serious. But when I
see like the media people or people on Twitter or
people on social media, if you've never been to a
game there, you're just regurgitating what other people have said.

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Because they threw a snowball at Santa, maybe Santa got
in bad presence. They booed Michael Irvin when it looked
like he broke his neck. It's like, yeah, that had
a bad moment. They didn't realize, but in my time
going to games with the Link, I thought it was
pretty enjoyable. Last question, Atlanta Native, We've been trashed for

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a while now. For the first time, Terry has been
overly aggressive addressing our defensive holes. List all these players
and some really good talent in the draft, Pierce, etc.
What are your realistic thoughts on us winning ten to
eleven games this year? I think it's on the table.
We have the thirt easiest schedule. Penix I see compared

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to Warren Moon, Bijon is a superstar. Kyle Pitch should
have a good year. He finally might have a real quarterback.
Defense should be average, which is a lot better than
worse than the league. A lot of analysts are saying
US going seven to ten, eight nine, so I think
we fly under the radar. I just have a hard
time betting on the culture of your squad. I really

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I love Michael Pennock. The biggest bet I've ever made
in my entire life on a football game was Michael
Penix against Texas in the Final four, and he lit
him up like a Christmas tree. It was awesome. I've
been rooting for Michael Penix for years stud and I
think he'll be solid, but I just it's hard for

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me to trust the operation. It really is. I think
the Pierce thing, he's a guy like a major wild card.
He was off a ton of teams boards so it'd
be one thing if like the Belichick Patriots, or like
when the Eagles drafted Jalen Carter, they had this infrastructure
not just from a coaching standpoint, but they're players. So

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when I got Jalen Carter, you had to answer to
Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham or are you gonna screw
around act like an idiot? Of course not. You see
Jason Kelcey and Lane Johnson and Jordan my Lot at
every single day at practice, Landon Dickerson, like this is
how we do it. Who's that guy for the Falcons.
So I'm not disputing you've got some talent on the team.

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You do have some good players. You had a good
offensive line, like you said, Bijon, excellent talent, even Drake London.
It's pretty solid. I'm not the Kyle Pitts thing. I'm sorry,
I'm out, Like that's just one of those things like
I'm just out. I don't think he's like some scrub.
But obviously if you did a redraft, he's not going

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in the first round, probably defensively, though I don't know.
I just I'm gonna bet against it until I'm wrong.
I bet against you guys last year, and I was
proven right now. If Pennix is dramatically better than Cousins,
then maybe you'll be okay. But it's gonna be pretty.

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The other thing is, like the Bucks are just good,
like Baker's their infrastructure, they're they all these guys have won.
It's one thing they really have. Like all their guys
know how to win. It's the problem for the Falcons.
You guys just do not know how to win. And
sometimes it's like, Okay, we bring in Jim Harball or
Sean Payton's like okay, like were Heem Morris as a

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head coach. I just have no faith in their operation.
I'm gonna pick him to win seven eight games, kind
of like last year. Might look a little different, but
I think we end up with the same result. I'm
gonna I screwed up. I picked the Saints last year.
I'm gonna take the Bucks this year. But I'm gonna
bet against you guys, and I think you guys will

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be one of the teams that I envision firing everybody
at the end of the season, which sucks because Michael
Panic's gonna go through a pretty chaotic NFL life and
everyone all the Shanahan guys love. Rahie Morris seems like
a very likable guy, so this is he just might
be one of those guys maybe meant to be a two,

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which happens right. Fangio is a good example I saw
last year is like, what is going on here in
my n even Ballar's fault, Maybe it's the GM who
built just a weird team. Maybe Terry's just not very good.
I would say maybe he's the bigger problem than the coach.
But I'm betting against the Falcons for sure.

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